Southampton defender Dejan Lovren confirms he wants out of Saints and that he already feels like he is a Liverpool player

Dejan Lovren

Dejan Lovren

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Saints defender Dejan Lovren has confirmed that he wants to leave the club and that his head is already at Liverpool.

As first revealed by the Daily Echo, the Reds have had two bids turned down for the centre-half, as they look to make a third swoop on St Mary’s this summer, following their capture of Rickie Lambert and Adam Lallana.

The latest bid for Lovren is said to have been around the £20m mark, although sources at St Mary’s dispute that, saying the figure is less.

However, it is a situation that has angered Lovren, who has claimed the Saints board did not inform him of the approaches and that they want £25m for him.

“Liverpool sent the offer and the club haven’t informed me,” he is quoted as saying in major Croatian sports newspaper Sportske Novosti. “Not even about the subsequent Liverpool bids.

“That wasn’t right. I found out about the bid from other people, which disappointed me, and I realised I’ve got no business staying at Southampton.

“Liverpool sent a 20 million offer and they [Saints] paid nine million for me, so they would’ve earned twice the amount.

“At this point, I don’t know what I’ll do and I don’t like it. It was unbelievable that a few days ago I had an offer of 20 million pounds.

“It was in the morning and by the afternoon the club had said I was not for sale. Frankly, my head is already at Liverpool.”

Lovren handed in a transfer request earlier this summer and says he has written a letter to the club explaining his feelings.

He does not feel that the ambitions are the same as when he signed from Lyon in an £8.5m deal a year ago.

The Echo revealed on Thursday that he is considering not returning to Saints for the start of his pre-season programme, if he has not been sold by that point - although he will receive a hefty fine if he follows through with that.

“Look, I’d gladly stay in Southampton if the club had any ambitions, if they kept the key players,” he said. “[If that had happened] not even the Liverpool bid would have dissuaded me.”

He added: “When I decided to go to Southampton, many people were surprised, but I went because the people at the club had great ambition. They gave me assurances about the project.

“The former chairman, Nicola Cortese, and the former coach, Mauricio Pochettino, convinced me. They gave me incredible confidence.

“When I began training there, I realised they had a very good team. They promised to buy two more players. They bought [Dani] Osvaldo and [Victor] Wanyama. They are great players.

“The aim was to qualify for Europe, to get into the Europa League at least.”

Lovren added that he began to have concerns about the future of the club when former chairman Nicola Cortese departed in January.

“No one knew who would take over the club,” he said. “Suspicions were raised.

“I asked Mauricio what was happening and he couldn’t say whether or not he would stay on or make promises for the next five or six years about investment in the club, challenging for the Champions League, making new signings or keeping key players.

“It was because of that I’d agreed to sign for Southampton. When the chairman left, and Pochettino was going too as early as April, I realised things had fallen apart.”

Lovren added: “Honestly, I don’t know who the main man at the club is anymore.

“They are now looking for 25 million pounds, but I don’t think they’ll get it.”

He added: “Liverpool is one of the biggest clubs in the world. Only Real Madrid have as many fans around the world. The last time I played at Anfield, I got chills when I heard ‘You’ll Never Walk Alone.’ I would like to listen to it all the time.”

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12:09pm Sun 6 Jul 14

echo1948 says...

Much as I am dismayed by another player wanting to , I can,t help feeling that this is the root cause of our problems i.e. "Lack of ambition"
Much as I am dismayed by another player wanting to , I can,t help feeling that this is the root cause of our problems i.e. "Lack of ambition" echo1948
  • Score: 1

12:14pm Sun 6 Jul 14

singapore saint84 says...

Of all the signings in the world... i want cortese back!!!
Of all the signings in the world... i want cortese back!!! singapore saint84
  • Score: -29

12:17pm Sun 6 Jul 14

notaclue says...

Slag him off all you like at least he is brave enough to say it to our faces.
Adz, Rickie, MoPo, Cortese all thought the same.
Slag him off all you like at least he is brave enough to say it to our faces. Adz, Rickie, MoPo, Cortese all thought the same. notaclue
  • Score: 19

12:17pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Certainly backs up the loudly decried protestations of those of us who had the temerity to suggest that "lack of ambition" might have had something to do with the current malaise.
Certainly backs up the loudly decried protestations of those of us who had the temerity to suggest that "lack of ambition" might have had something to do with the current malaise. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 10

12:17pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Ron The Nod says...

Getting Koeman in shows we have ambition, this is just excuses by Lovren to try and justify why he is not sticking to his contract, good riddance and I look forward to welcoming him and all the other players who have turned their backs on us back next season....they need to remember that without Saints they would be very average players going nowhere.
Getting Koeman in shows we have ambition, this is just excuses by Lovren to try and justify why he is not sticking to his contract, good riddance and I look forward to welcoming him and all the other players who have turned their backs on us back next season....they need to remember that without Saints they would be very average players going nowhere. Ron The Nod
  • Score: 166

12:18pm Sun 6 Jul 14

THE12THMAN says...

If your head is already at Liverpool Lovren I suggest you get your agent to drive up and bring it back because your body still belongs to saints.
If your head is already at Liverpool Lovren I suggest you get your agent to drive up and bring it back because your body still belongs to saints. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 158

12:21pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Mush On The Beach says...

Dejan in your mind your head may already be at Liverpool but in my mind it is firmly up your ar$e.
Dejan in your mind your head may already be at Liverpool but in my mind it is firmly up your ar$e. Mush On The Beach
  • Score: 191

12:22pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Kings Lynn Saint says...

F#ck off then
F#ck off then Kings Lynn Saint
  • Score: 84

12:24pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Sheffieldsaint says...

Could someone please tell me what they mean by a lack of ambition?Is our ambition not to do well and ultimately win something or qualify for Europe. Is Potochino the only one who could have delivered this? It's a load of nonsense and Lovren and the rest of the money grabbing mercenaries are lying if they say anything different. Get shot and good riddance!
Could someone please tell me what they mean by a lack of ambition?Is our ambition not to do well and ultimately win something or qualify for Europe. Is Potochino the only one who could have delivered this? It's a load of nonsense and Lovren and the rest of the money grabbing mercenaries are lying if they say anything different. Get shot and good riddance! Sheffieldsaint
  • Score: 94

12:29pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Jan28th1984 says...

At last, someone from the inside who has spoken up about the club's direction.
We all thought it - those who said it were thumbs-downed to hell.
"Lack of ambition."
"...things had fallen apart,"
"....don't know who the main man is at the club anymore."

So there is the real reason why Poch and all the players are leaving...........th
e club doesn't want it.

You can't blame the players for wanting away and making the most of their careers, if the opportunity presents itself for them, which it has. Why stay at a club which only wants to go nowhere?

It makes me wonder why Koeman took the job - what did the board say to him? What is his mission? What are his goals?

And the supporters? Ach - don't worry about them! F*ck em! Whatever happens they will always turn up! They will always be there! They will always give up their time and money for the club!
At last, someone from the inside who has spoken up about the club's direction. We all thought it - those who said it were thumbs-downed to hell. "Lack of ambition." "...things had fallen apart," "....don't know who the main man is at the club anymore." So there is the real reason why Poch and all the players are leaving...........th e club doesn't want it. You can't blame the players for wanting away and making the most of their careers, if the opportunity presents itself for them, which it has. Why stay at a club which only wants to go nowhere? It makes me wonder why Koeman took the job - what did the board say to him? What is his mission? What are his goals? And the supporters? Ach - don't worry about them! F*ck em! Whatever happens they will always turn up! They will always be there! They will always give up their time and money for the club! Jan28th1984
  • Score: -77

12:30pm Sun 6 Jul 14

notaclue says...

Sheffieldsaint wrote:
Could someone please tell me what they mean by a lack of ambition?Is our ambition not to do well and ultimately win something or qualify for Europe. Is Potochino the only one who could have delivered this? It's a load of nonsense and Lovren and the rest of the money grabbing mercenaries are lying if they say anything different. Get shot and good riddance!
By lack of ambition they mean lack of funding, not being funny that is what they mean.
[quote][p][bold]Sheffieldsaint[/bold] wrote: Could someone please tell me what they mean by a lack of ambition?Is our ambition not to do well and ultimately win something or qualify for Europe. Is Potochino the only one who could have delivered this? It's a load of nonsense and Lovren and the rest of the money grabbing mercenaries are lying if they say anything different. Get shot and good riddance![/p][/quote]By lack of ambition they mean lack of funding, not being funny that is what they mean. notaclue
  • Score: 1

12:31pm Sun 6 Jul 14

saintgibbo says...

I agree with the club. Keep him. He isn't for sale. Not only is it an insult to the players still here but an insult to Ronald.
A name like his doesn't come here to be an also ran.
Stick him on the bench till September if needs be then stick him in the team. If he doesn't play to his potential other clubs won't be interested and he will go nowhere.
These players must learn that contracts should be honoured until it's in the interests of both parties.
I agree with the club. Keep him. He isn't for sale. Not only is it an insult to the players still here but an insult to Ronald. A name like his doesn't come here to be an also ran. Stick him on the bench till September if needs be then stick him in the team. If he doesn't play to his potential other clubs won't be interested and he will go nowhere. These players must learn that contracts should be honoured until it's in the interests of both parties. saintgibbo
  • Score: 99

12:31pm Sun 6 Jul 14

freeroamer says...

I think deep down we all realised that the dream had ended when Nicola left. He lived his life for this club while he was here.

The new training ground, the state of the art facilities. They were all festooned for gods vision. We develop our own players, train them in the Southampton Way, keep all the best players for ourselves, keep the team together and stick two fingers up to everyone else. Our financial value as a club would have increased as we became more successful.

Unfortunately the board cashed in on Like Shaw. He was the modern day shining light of our academy. The club has previously gone out of its way to raise the profile of Luke, airing interviews of him stating he was going knowhere.

Our own u turn on this policy I believe is the reason for the mass exodus. I'm now very concerned about our future in the premier league. I bet big Ron is now wondering what he let ginseng into. In my opinion the club now has no choice but to slam the door closed. No way can we let Lovren dictate to us. If he's not happy he stays, he'll never play again unless he listens to reason. It's time to get tough or we will be dead and buried.
I think deep down we all realised that the dream had ended when Nicola left. He lived his life for this club while he was here. The new training ground, the state of the art facilities. They were all festooned for gods vision. We develop our own players, train them in the Southampton Way, keep all the best players for ourselves, keep the team together and stick two fingers up to everyone else. Our financial value as a club would have increased as we became more successful. Unfortunately the board cashed in on Like Shaw. He was the modern day shining light of our academy. The club has previously gone out of its way to raise the profile of Luke, airing interviews of him stating he was going knowhere. Our own u turn on this policy I believe is the reason for the mass exodus. I'm now very concerned about our future in the premier league. I bet big Ron is now wondering what he let ginseng into. In my opinion the club now has no choice but to slam the door closed. No way can we let Lovren dictate to us. If he's not happy he stays, he'll never play again unless he listens to reason. It's time to get tough or we will be dead and buried. freeroamer
  • Score: 18

12:32pm Sun 6 Jul 14

LightwaterSaint says...

How does he know what the current ambitions are when he hasn't even had the courtesy to speak to the new manager? Hold firm Saints.
How does he know what the current ambitions are when he hasn't even had the courtesy to speak to the new manager? Hold firm Saints. LightwaterSaint
  • Score: 88

12:33pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Dubai-saints89 says...

his head is already at liverpool..more like his head is up his @$$. get lost IMO
his head is already at liverpool..more like his head is up his @$$. get lost IMO Dubai-saints89
  • Score: 50

12:34pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Bingo from Sholing says...

echo1948 wrote:
Much as I am dismayed by another player wanting to , I can,t help feeling that this is the root cause of our problems i.e. "Lack of ambition"
Absolutely correct!
Lack of ambition +no direction +a pinch of greed = relegation 2014/15.
For 5 years we were on a journey under Cortesse, now we are walking a nightmare. Reed and Executive Chairman should go now!. Take your money and clear out. You have had you 6 months of fame Let us get rid of the burnt out committee men and replace them with people who recognise what was the biggest opportunity in English football.
[quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: Much as I am dismayed by another player wanting to , I can,t help feeling that this is the root cause of our problems i.e. "Lack of ambition"[/p][/quote]Absolutely correct! Lack of ambition +no direction +a pinch of greed = relegation 2014/15. For 5 years we were on a journey under Cortesse, now we are walking a nightmare. Reed and Executive Chairman should go now!. Take your money and clear out. You have had you 6 months of fame Let us get rid of the burnt out committee men and replace them with people who recognise what was the biggest opportunity in English football. Bingo from Sholing
  • Score: -59

12:36pm Sun 6 Jul 14

long memory says...

Jan28th1984 wrote:
At last, someone from the inside who has spoken up about the club's direction.
We all thought it - those who said it were thumbs-downed to hell.
"Lack of ambition."
"...things had fallen apart,"
"....don't know who the main man is at the club anymore."

So there is the real reason why Poch and all the players are leaving...........th

e club doesn't want it.

You can't blame the players for wanting away and making the most of their careers, if the opportunity presents itself for them, which it has. Why stay at a club which only wants to go nowhere?

It makes me wonder why Koeman took the job - what did the board say to him? What is his mission? What are his goals?

And the supporters? Ach - don't worry about them! F*ck em! Whatever happens they will always turn up! They will always be there! They will always give up their time and money for the club!
Why don't we wait and see what Ronko has to say at his press conference,this coming Friday, maybe there will be a couple of new players in by then, plus hear what he has to say,then we can possibly make a more balanced judgement, I am feeling very optimistic at the moment.
[quote][p][bold]Jan28th1984[/bold] wrote: At last, someone from the inside who has spoken up about the club's direction. We all thought it - those who said it were thumbs-downed to hell. "Lack of ambition." "...things had fallen apart," "....don't know who the main man is at the club anymore." So there is the real reason why Poch and all the players are leaving...........th e club doesn't want it. You can't blame the players for wanting away and making the most of their careers, if the opportunity presents itself for them, which it has. Why stay at a club which only wants to go nowhere? It makes me wonder why Koeman took the job - what did the board say to him? What is his mission? What are his goals? And the supporters? Ach - don't worry about them! F*ck em! Whatever happens they will always turn up! They will always be there! They will always give up their time and money for the club![/p][/quote]Why don't we wait and see what Ronko has to say at his press conference,this coming Friday, maybe there will be a couple of new players in by then, plus hear what he has to say,then we can possibly make a more balanced judgement, I am feeling very optimistic at the moment. long memory
  • Score: 43

12:37pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Sheffieldsaint says...

notaclue wrote:
Sheffieldsaint wrote: Could someone please tell me what they mean by a lack of ambition?Is our ambition not to do well and ultimately win something or qualify for Europe. Is Potochino the only one who could have delivered this? It's a load of nonsense and Lovren and the rest of the money grabbing mercenaries are lying if they say anything different. Get shot and good riddance!
By lack of ambition they mean lack of funding, not being funny that is what they mean.
£1m funding not enough then,?
[quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sheffieldsaint[/bold] wrote: Could someone please tell me what they mean by a lack of ambition?Is our ambition not to do well and ultimately win something or qualify for Europe. Is Potochino the only one who could have delivered this? It's a load of nonsense and Lovren and the rest of the money grabbing mercenaries are lying if they say anything different. Get shot and good riddance![/p][/quote]By lack of ambition they mean lack of funding, not being funny that is what they mean.[/p][/quote]£1m funding not enough then,? Sheffieldsaint
  • Score: -4

12:37pm Sun 6 Jul 14

freeroamer says...

freeroamer wrote:
I think deep down we all realised that the dream had ended when Nicola left. He lived his life for this club while he was here.

The new training ground, the state of the art facilities. They were all festooned for gods vision. We develop our own players, train them in the Southampton Way, keep all the best players for ourselves, keep the team together and stick two fingers up to everyone else. Our financial value as a club would have increased as we became more successful.

Unfortunately the board cashed in on Like Shaw. He was the modern day shining light of our academy. The club has previously gone out of its way to raise the profile of Luke, airing interviews of him stating he was going knowhere.

Our own u turn on this policy I believe is the reason for the mass exodus. I'm now very concerned about our future in the premier league. I bet big Ron is now wondering what he let ginseng into. In my opinion the club now has no choice but to slam the door closed. No way can we let Lovren dictate to us. If he's not happy he stays, he'll never play again unless he listens to reason. It's time to get tough or we will be dead and buried.
Hope that was understood. Auto type on a phone can suck sometimes.
[quote][p][bold]freeroamer[/bold] wrote: I think deep down we all realised that the dream had ended when Nicola left. He lived his life for this club while he was here. The new training ground, the state of the art facilities. They were all festooned for gods vision. We develop our own players, train them in the Southampton Way, keep all the best players for ourselves, keep the team together and stick two fingers up to everyone else. Our financial value as a club would have increased as we became more successful. Unfortunately the board cashed in on Like Shaw. He was the modern day shining light of our academy. The club has previously gone out of its way to raise the profile of Luke, airing interviews of him stating he was going knowhere. Our own u turn on this policy I believe is the reason for the mass exodus. I'm now very concerned about our future in the premier league. I bet big Ron is now wondering what he let ginseng into. In my opinion the club now has no choice but to slam the door closed. No way can we let Lovren dictate to us. If he's not happy he stays, he'll never play again unless he listens to reason. It's time to get tough or we will be dead and buried.[/p][/quote]Hope that was understood. Auto type on a phone can suck sometimes. freeroamer
  • Score: 2

12:38pm Sun 6 Jul 14

SPIKEISLANDTRADER says...

Its your FEET they want . Not your head , and those have a PRICE on them . IF LIVERHAMPTON want those feet , let them PAY FULLY . Or you chip in as well .
Its your FEET they want . Not your head , and those have a PRICE on them . IF LIVERHAMPTON want those feet , let them PAY FULLY . Or you chip in as well . SPIKEISLANDTRADER
  • Score: 33

12:39pm Sun 6 Jul 14

notaclue says...

LightwaterSaint wrote:
How does he know what the current ambitions are when he hasn't even had the courtesy to speak to the new manager? Hold firm Saints.
Interesting to note Koeman has spoken to Spiderman a week ago but not Lovren.
[quote][p][bold]LightwaterSaint[/bold] wrote: How does he know what the current ambitions are when he hasn't even had the courtesy to speak to the new manager? Hold firm Saints.[/p][/quote]Interesting to note Koeman has spoken to Spiderman a week ago but not Lovren. notaclue
  • Score: 41

12:40pm Sun 6 Jul 14

IOAD says...

Well he might as well have done a big turd on the centre-spot, really. The 'ambition' line is just a convenient narrative, created by MP, and followed by a bunch of greedy mercenaries. Let them go. If this is ambition, then frankly, ambition can go an fuckitself.
Well he might as well have done a big turd on the centre-spot, really. The 'ambition' line is just a convenient narrative, created by MP, and followed by a bunch of greedy mercenaries. Let them go. If this is ambition, then frankly, ambition can go an fuckitself. IOAD
  • Score: 53

12:44pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Bingo from Sholing says...

long memory wrote:
Jan28th1984 wrote:
At last, someone from the inside who has spoken up about the club's direction.
We all thought it - those who said it were thumbs-downed to hell.
"Lack of ambition."
"...things had fallen apart,"
"....don't know who the main man is at the club anymore."

So there is the real reason why Poch and all the players are leaving...........th


e club doesn't want it.

You can't blame the players for wanting away and making the most of their careers, if the opportunity presents itself for them, which it has. Why stay at a club which only wants to go nowhere?

It makes me wonder why Koeman took the job - what did the board say to him? What is his mission? What are his goals?

And the supporters? Ach - don't worry about them! F*ck em! Whatever happens they will always turn up! They will always be there! They will always give up their time and money for the club!
Why don't we wait and see what Ronko has to say at his press conference,this coming Friday, maybe there will be a couple of new players in by then, plus hear what he has to say,then we can possibly make a more balanced judgement, I am feeling very optimistic at the moment.
It is pointless trying to be positive in this situation. I know sometimes it helps to ignore the doom. However this is disgraceful, our club is in big trouble. These directors have to go now! They have overseen the departure of class players, have no plans, no ambition or Premiership standard players. Please join me and decry them, for in this situation being positive is not going to get the owner to sack the directors who are hopeless.
[quote][p][bold]long memory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jan28th1984[/bold] wrote: At last, someone from the inside who has spoken up about the club's direction. We all thought it - those who said it were thumbs-downed to hell. "Lack of ambition." "...things had fallen apart," "....don't know who the main man is at the club anymore." So there is the real reason why Poch and all the players are leaving...........th e club doesn't want it. You can't blame the players for wanting away and making the most of their careers, if the opportunity presents itself for them, which it has. Why stay at a club which only wants to go nowhere? It makes me wonder why Koeman took the job - what did the board say to him? What is his mission? What are his goals? And the supporters? Ach - don't worry about them! F*ck em! Whatever happens they will always turn up! They will always be there! They will always give up their time and money for the club![/p][/quote]Why don't we wait and see what Ronko has to say at his press conference,this coming Friday, maybe there will be a couple of new players in by then, plus hear what he has to say,then we can possibly make a more balanced judgement, I am feeling very optimistic at the moment.[/p][/quote]It is pointless trying to be positive in this situation. I know sometimes it helps to ignore the doom. However this is disgraceful, our club is in big trouble. These directors have to go now! They have overseen the departure of class players, have no plans, no ambition or Premiership standard players. Please join me and decry them, for in this situation being positive is not going to get the owner to sack the directors who are hopeless. Bingo from Sholing
  • Score: -35

12:45pm Sun 6 Jul 14

BigBugBuzzz says...

Koeman the figure head? The keeping-up-appearanc
es-while-we-sell-out
-man?

Frankly would surprise me anymore.

But that is probably too drastic. My suspicion is that Cortese was simply outstanding. Leibherr wanted to run the business with less risk (her view of risk, not Cortese's), so that when Cortese ultimately had to depart a massive vacuum was created.

I think the major mistake was not recognizing the value of Cortese.

I would love for the club to do well using the more conservative approach, but I doubt the conservative approach can break us into the top 6. The conservative approach is the feeder-model. Like someone said on here, our "problem of success" will always occur whenever we happen to have success.
Koeman the figure head? The keeping-up-appearanc es-while-we-sell-out -man? Frankly would surprise me anymore. But that is probably too drastic. My suspicion is that Cortese was simply outstanding. Leibherr wanted to run the business with less risk (her view of risk, not Cortese's), so that when Cortese ultimately had to depart a massive vacuum was created. I think the major mistake was not recognizing the value of Cortese. I would love for the club to do well using the more conservative approach, but I doubt the conservative approach can break us into the top 6. The conservative approach is the feeder-model. Like someone said on here, our "problem of success" will always occur whenever we happen to have success. BigBugBuzzz
  • Score: 15

12:46pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Dan Howard says...

Even if Lovren is correct about the headline figure, and who know how that figure was constructed e.g. cash/appearances/ Champions League appearances/cash upfront some later, he has absolutely no right to expect any say in the commercial relationships between one club and another…..that’s for the clubs….he does of course have a right to define his own personal terms in the context of an agreed and acceptable move and that’s all he has a right to expect.
As for the club’s ambition, that’s for the owners to decide in consultation, It’s certainly not for the paid employee in the form of Cortese and/or the Manager to decide it, because it isn’t their money and judging by the allegation that Cortese overspent Staplewood by £15m, if that were true I’d be showing the Chairman the door myself with enough time to clear his desk and says his goodbyes. They are handsomely paid to implement that vision whatever it be.
When will those that want the owner to put her hand in her own pocket for more than the club gate receipts, TV and commercial revenues match the additional £12.5m she put in last year?
5 years ago we faced with extinction. There are some around with memories of goldfish. Those of us with longer memories that thought the ‘Archers Whine’, the counterpoint to the ‘Milton Roar’, had died with the Dell. Shame its re-emerged,
If Lovren was attracted, as he says, last year by the Kop’s passion then it was before Cortese and Poch left. It doesn’t hold water to say lack of ambition now is causing him to leave.
Let him wait.
Let him settle his personal terms when an acceptable fee and fee structure is agreed between Liverpool and Saints.
That’s all he has a right to expect.
Even if Lovren is correct about the headline figure, and who know how that figure was constructed e.g. cash/appearances/ Champions League appearances/cash upfront some later, he has absolutely no right to expect any say in the commercial relationships between one club and another…..that’s for the clubs….he does of course have a right to define his own personal terms in the context of an agreed and acceptable move and that’s all he has a right to expect. As for the club’s ambition, that’s for the owners to decide in consultation, It’s certainly not for the paid employee in the form of Cortese and/or the Manager to decide it, because it isn’t their money and judging by the allegation that Cortese overspent Staplewood by £15m, if that were true I’d be showing the Chairman the door myself with enough time to clear his desk and says his goodbyes. They are handsomely paid to implement that vision whatever it be. When will those that want the owner to put her hand in her own pocket for more than the club gate receipts, TV and commercial revenues match the additional £12.5m she put in last year? 5 years ago we faced with extinction. There are some around with memories of goldfish. Those of us with longer memories that thought the ‘Archers Whine’, the counterpoint to the ‘Milton Roar’, had died with the Dell. Shame its re-emerged, If Lovren was attracted, as he says, last year by the Kop’s passion then it was before Cortese and Poch left. It doesn’t hold water to say lack of ambition now is causing him to leave. Let him wait. Let him settle his personal terms when an acceptable fee and fee structure is agreed between Liverpool and Saints. That’s all he has a right to expect. Dan Howard
  • Score: 73

12:49pm Sun 6 Jul 14

upwherewebelong says...

It gives my no pleasure but if Lovren isn't lying to try to force a move it makes me want to say to those that thought I was being premature in my negativity about the board "Told you so" This board aren't interested in success in the sense of champions league football neither does KL have anything like the same feelings for the club as her father did. It is obvious that Lovren is unhappy and therefore I think we should sell him. But to those fans expecting a fantastic summer of incoming transfers all I will say is don't hold your breath. Wreck it Ralph and Les are just spouting lies and propaganda to try to keep the more amiable fans onside. Realists of which I count myself as being a member of recognise the dream of top 4 finishes died when Cortese was forced from the club.
It gives my no pleasure but if Lovren isn't lying to try to force a move it makes me want to say to those that thought I was being premature in my negativity about the board "Told you so" This board aren't interested in success in the sense of champions league football neither does KL have anything like the same feelings for the club as her father did. It is obvious that Lovren is unhappy and therefore I think we should sell him. But to those fans expecting a fantastic summer of incoming transfers all I will say is don't hold your breath. Wreck it Ralph and Les are just spouting lies and propaganda to try to keep the more amiable fans onside. Realists of which I count myself as being a member of recognise the dream of top 4 finishes died when Cortese was forced from the club. upwherewebelong
  • Score: -22

12:49pm Sun 6 Jul 14

psk_35 says...

I think the club needs to speak up and make it clear to everyone as to where they plan to go, what their ambitions are and what they want to achieve.

The chairmen previously stated that the clubs aim is European football however this was prior to the departures, no one knows exactly what is going on and if things don't improve it wont be long before it gets worse.

Southampton need to start investing in quality players once they start doing that I'm sure players like Lovren and Morgan will stay, as Morgan said “We have a lot of money coming into the club and now it is up to the board to spend this money."

Despite our epic youth setup I still believe we need to bring in at least 5 to 6 quality players in order for us to build on from last season, by doing this we will show that we mean business!!

On a positive note at least the board are refusing offers something which we have failed to do in the past and only selling players if a high price comes in.
I think the club needs to speak up and make it clear to everyone as to where they plan to go, what their ambitions are and what they want to achieve. The chairmen previously stated that the clubs aim is European football however this was prior to the departures, no one knows exactly what is going on and if things don't improve it wont be long before it gets worse. Southampton need to start investing in quality players once they start doing that I'm sure players like Lovren and Morgan will stay, as Morgan said “We have a lot of money coming into the club and now it is up to the board to spend this money." Despite our epic youth setup I still believe we need to bring in at least 5 to 6 quality players in order for us to build on from last season, by doing this we will show that we mean business!! On a positive note at least the board are refusing offers something which we have failed to do in the past and only selling players if a high price comes in. psk_35
  • Score: 25

12:50pm Sun 6 Jul 14

nuttysaint says...

Funny how no1 else has come out and said what's goin on behind scene, maybe this is his way of forcing his way out by making up some ****! No ambition? We've appointed a world famous manager in Koeman, and he's not even giving us time to show who we are going to buy. Cheap cheao kop out and why do the **** keep sayin bout Liverpool giving them chills whilst still playin for us.Kinda contradicted himself to buy sayin he got chills when heard ynwa and said he wanted to hear that week in week and then went on to say he would never look to leave saints if we showed ambition. So lovren which one is it lol
Funny how no1 else has come out and said what's goin on behind scene, maybe this is his way of forcing his way out by making up some ****! No ambition? We've appointed a world famous manager in Koeman, and he's not even giving us time to show who we are going to buy. Cheap cheao kop out and why do the **** keep sayin bout Liverpool giving them chills whilst still playin for us.Kinda contradicted himself to buy sayin he got chills when heard ynwa and said he wanted to hear that week in week and then went on to say he would never look to leave saints if we showed ambition. So lovren which one is it lol nuttysaint
  • Score: 19

12:50pm Sun 6 Jul 14

notaclue says...

Sheffieldsaint wrote:
notaclue wrote:
Sheffieldsaint wrote: Could someone please tell me what they mean by a lack of ambition?Is our ambition not to do well and ultimately win something or qualify for Europe. Is Potochino the only one who could have delivered this? It's a load of nonsense and Lovren and the rest of the money grabbing mercenaries are lying if they say anything different. Get shot and good riddance!
By lack of ambition they mean lack of funding, not being funny that is what they mean.
£1m funding not enough then,?
By lack of funding i mean I don't think we have the revenue to fund a top six place or compete successfully in Europe and pay our players like Luke Shaw over £100k a week.
Our star players obviously don't think so either, MoPo said that with our resources we won our league he had done as much as he could with what he had.
The 5 year plan ended and had been achieved. No one is selling a new plan with ambition to the players because we cant back it up with the dosh required to do it.
[quote][p][bold]Sheffieldsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sheffieldsaint[/bold] wrote: Could someone please tell me what they mean by a lack of ambition?Is our ambition not to do well and ultimately win something or qualify for Europe. Is Potochino the only one who could have delivered this? It's a load of nonsense and Lovren and the rest of the money grabbing mercenaries are lying if they say anything different. Get shot and good riddance![/p][/quote]By lack of ambition they mean lack of funding, not being funny that is what they mean.[/p][/quote]£1m funding not enough then,?[/p][/quote]By lack of funding i mean I don't think we have the revenue to fund a top six place or compete successfully in Europe and pay our players like Luke Shaw over £100k a week. Our star players obviously don't think so either, MoPo said that with our resources we won our league he had done as much as he could with what he had. The 5 year plan ended and had been achieved. No one is selling a new plan with ambition to the players because we cant back it up with the dosh required to do it. notaclue
  • Score: 11

12:51pm Sun 6 Jul 14

long memory says...

Bingo from Sholing wrote:
long memory wrote:
Jan28th1984 wrote:
At last, someone from the inside who has spoken up about the club's direction.
We all thought it - those who said it were thumbs-downed to hell.
"Lack of ambition."
"...things had fallen apart,"
"....don't know who the main man is at the club anymore."

So there is the real reason why Poch and all the players are leaving...........th



e club doesn't want it.

You can't blame the players for wanting away and making the most of their careers, if the opportunity presents itself for them, which it has. Why stay at a club which only wants to go nowhere?

It makes me wonder why Koeman took the job - what did the board say to him? What is his mission? What are his goals?

And the supporters? Ach - don't worry about them! F*ck em! Whatever happens they will always turn up! They will always be there! They will always give up their time and money for the club!
Why don't we wait and see what Ronko has to say at his press conference,this coming Friday, maybe there will be a couple of new players in by then, plus hear what he has to say,then we can possibly make a more balanced judgement, I am feeling very optimistic at the moment.
It is pointless trying to be positive in this situation. I know sometimes it helps to ignore the doom. However this is disgraceful, our club is in big trouble. These directors have to go now! They have overseen the departure of class players, have no plans, no ambition or Premiership standard players. Please join me and decry them, for in this situation being positive is not going to get the owner to sack the directors who are hopeless.
Bingo,we don't know what the board are planning.
A few weeks ago they were rubbish,then they brought in Ronko,and all was well,now all of a sudden they are rubbish again.
In two weeks time,we just might be saying what wonderful players they have purchased,though some on this sight would no doubt moan even if they acquired Messi.
[quote][p][bold]Bingo from Sholing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]long memory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jan28th1984[/bold] wrote: At last, someone from the inside who has spoken up about the club's direction. We all thought it - those who said it were thumbs-downed to hell. "Lack of ambition." "...things had fallen apart," "....don't know who the main man is at the club anymore." So there is the real reason why Poch and all the players are leaving...........th e club doesn't want it. You can't blame the players for wanting away and making the most of their careers, if the opportunity presents itself for them, which it has. Why stay at a club which only wants to go nowhere? It makes me wonder why Koeman took the job - what did the board say to him? What is his mission? What are his goals? And the supporters? Ach - don't worry about them! F*ck em! Whatever happens they will always turn up! They will always be there! They will always give up their time and money for the club![/p][/quote]Why don't we wait and see what Ronko has to say at his press conference,this coming Friday, maybe there will be a couple of new players in by then, plus hear what he has to say,then we can possibly make a more balanced judgement, I am feeling very optimistic at the moment.[/p][/quote]It is pointless trying to be positive in this situation. I know sometimes it helps to ignore the doom. However this is disgraceful, our club is in big trouble. These directors have to go now! They have overseen the departure of class players, have no plans, no ambition or Premiership standard players. Please join me and decry them, for in this situation being positive is not going to get the owner to sack the directors who are hopeless.[/p][/quote]Bingo,we don't know what the board are planning. A few weeks ago they were rubbish,then they brought in Ronko,and all was well,now all of a sudden they are rubbish again. In two weeks time,we just might be saying what wonderful players they have purchased,though some on this sight would no doubt moan even if they acquired Messi. long memory
  • Score: 24

12:55pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Smuggins2 says...

The cat is out of the bag now. Cortese and Pochetino made unrealistic promises to the players. It would have meant spending loads of money which was not Cortese's to spend. Not surprising KL called a stop to it as too much power was vested in one person and decided to appoint a proper board . At the time KL said that she wanted him to stay but he decided to go. Lovren is being very unprofessional in the way he is behaving and is showing massive disrespect to the club. He should get his head back from Liverpool is the rest of him is still in Southampton. Does appointing a top class manager who is a class above the previous one lack of ambition? I think not.
The cat is out of the bag now. Cortese and Pochetino made unrealistic promises to the players. It would have meant spending loads of money which was not Cortese's to spend. Not surprising KL called a stop to it as too much power was vested in one person and decided to appoint a proper board . At the time KL said that she wanted him to stay but he decided to go. Lovren is being very unprofessional in the way he is behaving and is showing massive disrespect to the club. He should get his head back from Liverpool is the rest of him is still in Southampton. Does appointing a top class manager who is a class above the previous one lack of ambition? I think not. Smuggins2
  • Score: 74

1:00pm Sun 6 Jul 14

long memory says...

long memory wrote:
Bingo from Sholing wrote:
long memory wrote:
Jan28th1984 wrote:
At last, someone from the inside who has spoken up about the club's direction.
We all thought it - those who said it were thumbs-downed to hell.
"Lack of ambition."
"...things had fallen apart,"
"....don't know who the main man is at the club anymore."

So there is the real reason why Poch and all the players are leaving...........th




e club doesn't want it.

You can't blame the players for wanting away and making the most of their careers, if the opportunity presents itself for them, which it has. Why stay at a club which only wants to go nowhere?

It makes me wonder why Koeman took the job - what did the board say to him? What is his mission? What are his goals?

And the supporters? Ach - don't worry about them! F*ck em! Whatever happens they will always turn up! They will always be there! They will always give up their time and money for the club!
Why don't we wait and see what Ronko has to say at his press conference,this coming Friday, maybe there will be a couple of new players in by then, plus hear what he has to say,then we can possibly make a more balanced judgement, I am feeling very optimistic at the moment.
It is pointless trying to be positive in this situation. I know sometimes it helps to ignore the doom. However this is disgraceful, our club is in big trouble. These directors have to go now! They have overseen the departure of class players, have no plans, no ambition or Premiership standard players. Please join me and decry them, for in this situation being positive is not going to get the owner to sack the directors who are hopeless.
Bingo,we don't know what the board are planning.
A few weeks ago they were rubbish,then they brought in Ronko,and all was well,now all of a sudden they are rubbish again.
In two weeks time,we just might be saying what wonderful players they have purchased,though some on this sight would no doubt moan even if they acquired Messi.
Sorry,should have read site,not sight,hopefully I have managed to beat the spelling police.
[quote][p][bold]long memory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bingo from Sholing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]long memory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jan28th1984[/bold] wrote: At last, someone from the inside who has spoken up about the club's direction. We all thought it - those who said it were thumbs-downed to hell. "Lack of ambition." "...things had fallen apart," "....don't know who the main man is at the club anymore." So there is the real reason why Poch and all the players are leaving...........th e club doesn't want it. You can't blame the players for wanting away and making the most of their careers, if the opportunity presents itself for them, which it has. Why stay at a club which only wants to go nowhere? It makes me wonder why Koeman took the job - what did the board say to him? What is his mission? What are his goals? And the supporters? Ach - don't worry about them! F*ck em! Whatever happens they will always turn up! They will always be there! They will always give up their time and money for the club![/p][/quote]Why don't we wait and see what Ronko has to say at his press conference,this coming Friday, maybe there will be a couple of new players in by then, plus hear what he has to say,then we can possibly make a more balanced judgement, I am feeling very optimistic at the moment.[/p][/quote]It is pointless trying to be positive in this situation. I know sometimes it helps to ignore the doom. However this is disgraceful, our club is in big trouble. These directors have to go now! They have overseen the departure of class players, have no plans, no ambition or Premiership standard players. Please join me and decry them, for in this situation being positive is not going to get the owner to sack the directors who are hopeless.[/p][/quote]Bingo,we don't know what the board are planning. A few weeks ago they were rubbish,then they brought in Ronko,and all was well,now all of a sudden they are rubbish again. In two weeks time,we just might be saying what wonderful players they have purchased,though some on this sight would no doubt moan even if they acquired Messi.[/p][/quote]Sorry,should have read site,not sight,hopefully I have managed to beat the spelling police. long memory
  • Score: 1

1:02pm Sun 6 Jul 14

sparky130a says...

The silence from the board cannot continue. FFS, call a press conference tomorrow and state the aims of the club and transfer policy etc..

I agree with most that the wantaways should just go ( at the right price ) but the thing that worries me is we undermining our ability to attract quality players in by allowing this protracted farce to continue.

Let alone what it's doing to all the loyal fans. This hasn't even been going on for weeks, it's months. Ridiculous.
The silence from the board cannot continue. FFS, call a press conference tomorrow and state the aims of the club and transfer policy etc.. I agree with most that the wantaways should just go ( at the right price ) but the thing that worries me is we undermining our ability to attract quality players in by allowing this protracted farce to continue. Let alone what it's doing to all the loyal fans. This hasn't even been going on for weeks, it's months. Ridiculous. sparky130a
  • Score: 3

1:05pm Sun 6 Jul 14

The stripes says...

Let Lovren go.

I think the club has ambition, it's just not the same as NC's. I think NC and Katharina's were very far apart in their ideas.

I feel that NC is at the root of all this, selling a vision to players and fans that just wasn't approved by Katharina. If it was approved it would still be in force today (even with NC not here) and maybe even mopo and players would still be on board.

Having a vision that was obviously not backed up by the owner was useless and has proved to be very damaging in my opinion. I feel with the current set up we're in a much better and more realistic position. Ambitions and visions are much more in line with what can be financially supported. I feel Koeman has been sold the correct vision, whatever it is, by the current board and he's not under any illusion. I think he's the kind of guy we can rely on to get us through this no matter who have left because they feel we have no ambition.

He will get us players that have bought into a vision that is supported by all.
Let Lovren go. I think the club has ambition, it's just not the same as NC's. I think NC and Katharina's were very far apart in their ideas. I feel that NC is at the root of all this, selling a vision to players and fans that just wasn't approved by Katharina. If it was approved it would still be in force today (even with NC not here) and maybe even mopo and players would still be on board. Having a vision that was obviously not backed up by the owner was useless and has proved to be very damaging in my opinion. I feel with the current set up we're in a much better and more realistic position. Ambitions and visions are much more in line with what can be financially supported. I feel Koeman has been sold the correct vision, whatever it is, by the current board and he's not under any illusion. I think he's the kind of guy we can rely on to get us through this no matter who have left because they feel we have no ambition. He will get us players that have bought into a vision that is supported by all. The stripes
  • Score: 43

1:06pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Wembley76 says...

long memory wrote:
Bingo from Sholing wrote:
long memory wrote:
Jan28th1984 wrote:
At last, someone from the inside who has spoken up about the club's direction.
We all thought it - those who said it were thumbs-downed to hell.
"Lack of ambition."
"...things had fallen apart,"
"....don't know who the main man is at the club anymore."

So there is the real reason why Poch and all the players are leaving...........th




e club doesn't want it.

You can't blame the players for wanting away and making the most of their careers, if the opportunity presents itself for them, which it has. Why stay at a club which only wants to go nowhere?

It makes me wonder why Koeman took the job - what did the board say to him? What is his mission? What are his goals?

And the supporters? Ach - don't worry about them! F*ck em! Whatever happens they will always turn up! They will always be there! They will always give up their time and money for the club!
Why don't we wait and see what Ronko has to say at his press conference,this coming Friday, maybe there will be a couple of new players in by then, plus hear what he has to say,then we can possibly make a more balanced judgement, I am feeling very optimistic at the moment.
It is pointless trying to be positive in this situation. I know sometimes it helps to ignore the doom. However this is disgraceful, our club is in big trouble. These directors have to go now! They have overseen the departure of class players, have no plans, no ambition or Premiership standard players. Please join me and decry them, for in this situation being positive is not going to get the owner to sack the directors who are hopeless.
Bingo,we don't know what the board are planning.
A few weeks ago they were rubbish,then they brought in Ronko,and all was well,now all of a sudden they are rubbish again.
In two weeks time,we just might be saying what wonderful players they have purchased,though some on this sight would no doubt moan even if they acquired Messi.
Totally agree with the last comment....we need to be patient and give the board and RK the chance to deliver on their promises before judging harshly....frankly I am not sure I have a great deal of faith in a player who speaks so critically of his employer, given he is on a contract.....It is also quite enlightening the way he speaks of Mo Po...and that it was clear as early as April that he was leaving...IMO Cortese and Mo Po have a lot to answer for, not least Cortese in creating such high unrealistic expectations amongst naïve young men...it is not realistic for Saints to be Champions league and overturn Man C Man U Chelsea Arsenal or L'pool, at best we could hope to match Everton or possibly Spurs.....partic' given how far we have come in such a short space of time....his head is at L'pool ...let him go. At least Morgan appears to be listening to RK and waiting to test the ambition of the club...
[quote][p][bold]long memory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bingo from Sholing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]long memory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jan28th1984[/bold] wrote: At last, someone from the inside who has spoken up about the club's direction. We all thought it - those who said it were thumbs-downed to hell. "Lack of ambition." "...things had fallen apart," "....don't know who the main man is at the club anymore." So there is the real reason why Poch and all the players are leaving...........th e club doesn't want it. You can't blame the players for wanting away and making the most of their careers, if the opportunity presents itself for them, which it has. Why stay at a club which only wants to go nowhere? It makes me wonder why Koeman took the job - what did the board say to him? What is his mission? What are his goals? And the supporters? Ach - don't worry about them! F*ck em! Whatever happens they will always turn up! They will always be there! They will always give up their time and money for the club![/p][/quote]Why don't we wait and see what Ronko has to say at his press conference,this coming Friday, maybe there will be a couple of new players in by then, plus hear what he has to say,then we can possibly make a more balanced judgement, I am feeling very optimistic at the moment.[/p][/quote]It is pointless trying to be positive in this situation. I know sometimes it helps to ignore the doom. However this is disgraceful, our club is in big trouble. These directors have to go now! They have overseen the departure of class players, have no plans, no ambition or Premiership standard players. Please join me and decry them, for in this situation being positive is not going to get the owner to sack the directors who are hopeless.[/p][/quote]Bingo,we don't know what the board are planning. A few weeks ago they were rubbish,then they brought in Ronko,and all was well,now all of a sudden they are rubbish again. In two weeks time,we just might be saying what wonderful players they have purchased,though some on this sight would no doubt moan even if they acquired Messi.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with the last comment....we need to be patient and give the board and RK the chance to deliver on their promises before judging harshly....frankly I am not sure I have a great deal of faith in a player who speaks so critically of his employer, given he is on a contract.....It is also quite enlightening the way he speaks of Mo Po...and that it was clear as early as April that he was leaving...IMO Cortese and Mo Po have a lot to answer for, not least Cortese in creating such high unrealistic expectations amongst naïve young men...it is not realistic for Saints to be Champions league and overturn Man C Man U Chelsea Arsenal or L'pool, at best we could hope to match Everton or possibly Spurs.....partic' given how far we have come in such a short space of time....his head is at L'pool ...let him go. At least Morgan appears to be listening to RK and waiting to test the ambition of the club... Wembley76
  • Score: 12

1:10pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Northam Block 40 says...

Looks like Tadic is now being eyed up by Everton, ffs sort your lives out new board this guy should have been signed last week!!!!!!!
Looks like Tadic is now being eyed up by Everton, ffs sort your lives out new board this guy should have been signed last week!!!!!!! Northam Block 40
  • Score: 13

1:13pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Berkshire Saint says...

When will this interminable summer of bad news end? I've said it before but Saints fans should have been rejoicing this summer following our best season in 30 years, 6 players taking part in the World Cup and looking for 1-2 players to move us on to the next level.

But no - we've imploded, we don't even have a proper kit supplier so I think we're right to ask if the board are up to the job. Koeman is a good appointment and I just hope now there's a succession of good news from St Mary's as right now I've had enough.
When will this interminable summer of bad news end? I've said it before but Saints fans should have been rejoicing this summer following our best season in 30 years, 6 players taking part in the World Cup and looking for 1-2 players to move us on to the next level. But no - we've imploded, we don't even have a proper kit supplier so I think we're right to ask if the board are up to the job. Koeman is a good appointment and I just hope now there's a succession of good news from St Mary's as right now I've had enough. Berkshire Saint
  • Score: 20

1:14pm Sun 6 Jul 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

I really don't understand why Lovren would want to leave Saints to play a few extra games in the CL, when our new manager was one of the best centre backs to have ever played the game... having won mostly all the honours you possibly can and played for the biggest club in the world... ANYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN CELL WOULD STAY AT LEAST ONE SEASON AND LEARN FROM THE BEST!!!

LOVREN, WHO WILL IMPROVE YOU AS A PLAYER AND CENTRE BACK...BRENDA ROGERS OR RONALD KOEMAN???

'NUFF SAID.
I really don't understand why Lovren would want to leave Saints to play a few extra games in the CL, when our new manager was one of the best centre backs to have ever played the game... having won mostly all the honours you possibly can and played for the biggest club in the world... ANYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN CELL WOULD STAY AT LEAST ONE SEASON AND LEARN FROM THE BEST!!! LOVREN, WHO WILL IMPROVE YOU AS A PLAYER AND CENTRE BACK...BRENDA ROGERS OR RONALD KOEMAN??? 'NUFF SAID. SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: 32

1:14pm Sun 6 Jul 14

cfr1967 says...

Class player but not an ounce personally. Stunned and disgusted at his total lack of respect for SFC. Hope he is offloaded soonest for as much as possible. I really do not want this dick playing for my club ever again!
Class player but not an ounce personally. Stunned and disgusted at his total lack of respect for SFC. Hope he is offloaded soonest for as much as possible. I really do not want this dick playing for my club ever again! cfr1967
  • Score: 35

1:18pm Sun 6 Jul 14

cbuk says...

arrogant p***k
arrogant p***k cbuk
  • Score: 24

1:23pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Clever Dick says...

Not to worry Lovren you can get to hear "You'll never walk alone " every week. Just tune in to Match Choice every Saturday night. As for the rest just tell the truth. You want to go to the Skivers for a huge pay rise just like the other greedy mercenaries. The fact is you have no idea of the future direction of the club as you haven't been here. The board has consistently said that all received transfer fees will be ploughed back in in order to IMPROVE the squad. They may or may not achieve that but that is the intention.. Only time will tell. I sincerely hope that they now decide to take the tough line. £25million up front, no negotiation. If they won,t pay then feel free to go on strike. With no pay you will be forced to crawl back just like Stan Colleymore had to do in the past. The fact is we have lost an ageing hero, a young kid who is over hyped and provided only one assist all last season. Both are replaceable. Also with AL it appears we already have a replacement lined up and there is every chance he will be better for less than half the money. And there is still a fortune still sat in the transfer kitty for a few bigger than expected signings.
Not to worry Lovren you can get to hear "You'll never walk alone " every week. Just tune in to Match Choice every Saturday night. As for the rest just tell the truth. You want to go to the Skivers for a huge pay rise just like the other greedy mercenaries. The fact is you have no idea of the future direction of the club as you haven't been here. The board has consistently said that all received transfer fees will be ploughed back in in order to IMPROVE the squad. They may or may not achieve that but that is the intention.. Only time will tell. I sincerely hope that they now decide to take the tough line. £25million up front, no negotiation. If they won,t pay then feel free to go on strike. With no pay you will be forced to crawl back just like Stan Colleymore had to do in the past. The fact is we have lost an ageing hero, a young kid who is over hyped and provided only one assist all last season. Both are replaceable. Also with AL it appears we already have a replacement lined up and there is every chance he will be better for less than half the money. And there is still a fortune still sat in the transfer kitty for a few bigger than expected signings. Clever Dick
  • Score: 33

1:24pm Sun 6 Jul 14

The stripes says...

Smuggins2 wrote:
The cat is out of the bag now. Cortese and Pochetino made unrealistic promises to the players. It would have meant spending loads of money which was not Cortese's to spend. Not surprising KL called a stop to it as too much power was vested in one person and decided to appoint a proper board . At the time KL said that she wanted him to stay but he decided to go. Lovren is being very unprofessional in the way he is behaving and is showing massive disrespect to the club. He should get his head back from Liverpool is the rest of him is still in Southampton. Does appointing a top class manager who is a class above the previous one lack of ambition? I think not.
Spot on. I actually think NC made an unrealistic promise to MP to get him here in the first place. Can see why he upped and left, probably felt embarrassed with all the promises he made to the players only to find they were all hollow.
[quote][p][bold]Smuggins2[/bold] wrote: The cat is out of the bag now. Cortese and Pochetino made unrealistic promises to the players. It would have meant spending loads of money which was not Cortese's to spend. Not surprising KL called a stop to it as too much power was vested in one person and decided to appoint a proper board . At the time KL said that she wanted him to stay but he decided to go. Lovren is being very unprofessional in the way he is behaving and is showing massive disrespect to the club. He should get his head back from Liverpool is the rest of him is still in Southampton. Does appointing a top class manager who is a class above the previous one lack of ambition? I think not.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I actually think NC made an unrealistic promise to MP to get him here in the first place. Can see why he upped and left, probably felt embarrassed with all the promises he made to the players only to find they were all hollow. The stripes
  • Score: 18

1:25pm Sun 6 Jul 14

rossofficial10 says...

notaclue wrote:
Slag him off all you like at least he is brave enough to say it to our faces.
Adz, Rickie, MoPo, Cortese all thought the same.
spot on,

lack of ambition.

we aint even gona spend all the money we got.
[quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: Slag him off all you like at least he is brave enough to say it to our faces. Adz, Rickie, MoPo, Cortese all thought the same.[/p][/quote]spot on, lack of ambition. we aint even gona spend all the money we got. rossofficial10
  • Score: 1

1:25pm Sun 6 Jul 14

TGodSFC says...

What a disrespectful little child, you can't do or say things like this about your employer, he thinks he's bigger than the club by the sounds of it. I agree that we should punish him and show who's the boss. Don't let the players run the club! Lovern sounds like a spoilt child.
What a disrespectful little child, you can't do or say things like this about your employer, he thinks he's bigger than the club by the sounds of it. I agree that we should punish him and show who's the boss. Don't let the players run the club! Lovern sounds like a spoilt child. TGodSFC
  • Score: 30

1:27pm Sun 6 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

who give's a sh1t what he says... take the £20M and run.... he is good but not that good and we only got him because he was a liability at his former club... I am sick to the back teeth of A.reading about these ar5eholes...and B. reading people who then pipe up and declare their love for the uber muppet NC who could not even get the basics right like photography rights and kits , let alone complicated stuff.... good riddance to him and good riddance ( hopefully ) to Lovren..... who maybe a legend in his own mind but is far from irreplaceable , especially at £20M.....
who give's a sh1t what he says... take the £20M and run.... he is good but not that good and we only got him because he was a liability at his former club... I am sick to the back teeth of A.reading about these ar5eholes...and B. reading people who then pipe up and declare their love for the uber muppet NC who could not even get the basics right like photography rights and kits , let alone complicated stuff.... good riddance to him and good riddance ( hopefully ) to Lovren..... who maybe a legend in his own mind but is far from irreplaceable , especially at £20M..... steekeemcglue
  • Score: 36

1:27pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Mary80 says...

disrespectful little sh!t if you ask me, we give these kids a chance and they bite the hand that feeds them. If the guy wants to leave fine but there are far better professional ways than throw toys out pram and stamp feet like a petulant little 5 year old
disrespectful little sh!t if you ask me, we give these kids a chance and they bite the hand that feeds them. If the guy wants to leave fine but there are far better professional ways than throw toys out pram and stamp feet like a petulant little 5 year old Mary80
  • Score: 22

1:28pm Sun 6 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Excerpt from a Croatian Radio conversation:- Liverpool sent an offer for me, and the club haven't told me about it. Or about other offers from Liverpool. That was not fair. I found about it from other people, I was very disappointed by it and it was clear to me that Southampton is not a place for me.

Now that can be interpreted in different ways, could it be that Scouse were tapping him up without us knowing?
Excerpt from a Croatian Radio conversation:- Liverpool sent an offer for me, and the club haven't told me about it. Or about other offers from Liverpool. That was not fair. I found about it from other people, I was very disappointed by it and it was clear to me that Southampton is not a place for me. Now that can be interpreted in different ways, could it be that Scouse were tapping him up without us knowing? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 30

1:29pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Graham, North of Watford says...

If I was a Board Member my ambitions would be as follows.

1. Survival in the Premiership

2. Finishing as high as possible

3. Retaining my best players as a boringly routine norm..

4. Producing Young Team players through the Academy Process. Concentrate on British players whenever possible - English, Scottish, Welsh and N.Irish in the first place and then by merit from across the World.

6. Retain the Academy Players for a few years and then sell off for maximum £££m's as the next cohort work through

4. Achieve the above within a proper financial framework and not crippled by debt.

It is clear from other opinions on this Post that Supporters think that this sort of plan has gone wrong BUT we can't put it right retrospectively.

We do therefore need a new 5 year plan using the money we are accumulating. There is no point in allocating retrospective blame because, in reality, no one has the remotest idea about what has really gone at top level.

Also wondered yesterday whether the Stadium is too small for TOP ambitions.

What about a Council sponsored Tramway around and about the Town with terminals at the waters edge, St. Marys and all the other pretty places below Bar. Soton is a perfect town for a Tramway because of its Geography. Bring St Mary's more into the community.
If I was a Board Member my ambitions would be as follows. 1. Survival in the Premiership 2. Finishing as high as possible 3. Retaining my best players as a boringly routine norm.. 4. Producing Young Team players through the Academy Process. Concentrate on British players whenever possible - English, Scottish, Welsh and N.Irish in the first place and then by merit from across the World. 6. Retain the Academy Players for a few years and then sell off for maximum £££m's as the next cohort work through 4. Achieve the above within a proper financial framework and not crippled by debt. It is clear from other opinions on this Post that Supporters think that this sort of plan has gone wrong BUT we can't put it right retrospectively. We do therefore need a new 5 year plan using the money we are accumulating. There is no point in allocating retrospective blame because, in reality, no one has the remotest idea about what has really gone at top level. Also wondered yesterday whether the Stadium is too small for TOP ambitions. What about a Council sponsored Tramway around and about the Town with terminals at the waters edge, St. Marys and all the other pretty places below Bar. Soton is a perfect town for a Tramway because of its Geography. Bring St Mary's more into the community. Graham, North of Watford
  • Score: 14

1:31pm Sun 6 Jul 14

saintand266 says...

Lovren good player, absolute tw#t of a man , total disrespect for SFC, your head might be in Liverpool but your brain is so far up your own arse its unreal .

On another note galatasaray are reportedly after Osvaldo that would bring in some more money but there is no point selling if you haven't got replacements lined up ..What's concerning me is we seem to be dragging out signing new players which is going to allow other teams to come in and put a better offer in .
Oh the joys of being a saints fan , life is never straightforward
Lovren good player, absolute tw#t of a man , total disrespect for SFC, your head might be in Liverpool but your brain is so far up your own arse its unreal . On another note galatasaray are reportedly after Osvaldo that would bring in some more money but there is no point selling if you haven't got replacements lined up ..What's concerning me is we seem to be dragging out signing new players which is going to allow other teams to come in and put a better offer in . Oh the joys of being a saints fan , life is never straightforward saintand266
  • Score: 17

1:32pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Malcombe says...

Dubai-saints89
Good comment short and sweet that's it in a one and many more Supporters will agree I bet.
Now Lovren has his latest excuse, his head is already at Liverpool so why hasn't he contacted the Southampton Board? perhaps he assumes the Board have been soaking up the news via the Media and he doesn't need to after all he was a late starter to jump on the merry-go round with Luke and Adam well ahead to have a transfer, the Board haven't failed they probably want to talk to him first and if he's determined he must know he has to put in a written request and he must assume they must know what he wants, he wouldn't like it if they replied ok so please can you get the rest of you at Southampton asap because you've got some explaining to do. He's obviously forgotten his first excuse he wants CLF or maybe he's keeping that as another gem to get away for another £40 thousand a week so he resorts to slagging off the Board to make them seem incompetent and disrespectful, we all know itand heard Come on you lot don't you know who I am as if that's all they have got to do is sit in there Offices and wait for him, it's another excuse he's disgusting!! why cant he give the Club the benefit of the doubt who act with diligence something he lacks and he's the one who's disrespectful, he signed a new contract but obviously didn't read the small print and the Salary he could expect because his head was sucked into the Potchettino conspiracy.
Us Supporters will be very intrigued by the outcome of this, I'm going off Lovren rapidly, what a year us Supporters will remember for all the wrong reason, let's hope The Saints finish in the top 3 above Liverpool and Spurs blimey will I gloat!! COYR
Dubai-saints89 Good comment short and sweet that's it in a one and many more Supporters will agree I bet. Now Lovren has his latest excuse, his head is already at Liverpool so why hasn't he contacted the Southampton Board? perhaps he assumes the Board have been soaking up the news via the Media and he doesn't need to after all he was a late starter to jump on the merry-go round with Luke and Adam well ahead to have a transfer, the Board haven't failed they probably want to talk to him first and if he's determined he must know he has to put in a written request and he must assume they must know what he wants, he wouldn't like it if they replied ok so please can you get the rest of you at Southampton asap because you've got some explaining to do. He's obviously forgotten his first excuse he wants CLF or maybe he's keeping that as another gem to get away for another £40 thousand a week so he resorts to slagging off the Board to make them seem incompetent and disrespectful, we all know itand heard Come on you lot don't you know who I am as if that's all they have got to do is sit in there Offices and wait for him, it's another excuse he's disgusting!! why cant he give the Club the benefit of the doubt who act with diligence something he lacks and he's the one who's disrespectful, he signed a new contract but obviously didn't read the small print and the Salary he could expect because his head was sucked into the Potchettino conspiracy. Us Supporters will be very intrigued by the outcome of this, I'm going off Lovren rapidly, what a year us Supporters will remember for all the wrong reason, let's hope The Saints finish in the top 3 above Liverpool and Spurs blimey will I gloat!! COYR Malcombe
  • Score: 13

1:38pm Sun 6 Jul 14

shesaint says...

He is complaining that we haven't kept key players, who like him had made it clear they wanted to go. Now he's complaining that we are trying to keep him. He can't have it both ways. Also, MoPo was planning to go as early as April, so I think his lack of commitment to the club has been key in unsettling the players as well as wads of cash. Sadly, I think we have to sell him for as much money as possible, which it appears the board are trying to do. I hate the fact that players are acting like spoilt children and still getting their own way, but we may as well get as much as we can and hope our new squad out plays our old one when we meet them in August.
He is complaining that we haven't kept key players, who like him had made it clear they wanted to go. Now he's complaining that we are trying to keep him. He can't have it both ways. Also, MoPo was planning to go as early as April, so I think his lack of commitment to the club has been key in unsettling the players as well as wads of cash. Sadly, I think we have to sell him for as much money as possible, which it appears the board are trying to do. I hate the fact that players are acting like spoilt children and still getting their own way, but we may as well get as much as we can and hope our new squad out plays our old one when we meet them in August. shesaint
  • Score: 16

1:46pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Confucious says...

My heart weeps for poor Lovren. He came to Saints on a pittance, but only on the prospect of future fortune as a result of Nicola, who, on a mere £1.2m a year himself, promised to be in sole charge of spending many millions of someone else's money. Twenty million plus transfer fee debt carried over to this year - no worries. Training ground costs 100% overspent - no worries. Lack of ambition - no worries.

Then that nice Nicola and the wonderful Pochettino - both of whom would suffer any degree of personal hardship just to see the club's ambition prosper - were forced out by being forced not to agree to requests made of them to stay.

And now that evil board probably thinks Lovren and the rest of the wantaways and goneaways were just focussed on their own financial largesse rather than the wonderful fulfillment of the glorious ambition.

Meantime, we all know the board has a secret and darstardly plan - a dark plot to make the club a financially viable business. They will never be able to understand real ambition - ambition the like of which Leeds and Portsmouth once had; the sort of ambition oil rich Arab royalty and dodgy Russian oligarchs have.

Go then Dejan - don't suffer this awful situation any longer. You have been treated abominably - along with the greatly maligned Adam, Rickie and Luke. Us fans of course will stay - but let's face it, we simply don't deserve the likes of wonderful you.
My heart weeps for poor Lovren. He came to Saints on a pittance, but only on the prospect of future fortune as a result of Nicola, who, on a mere £1.2m a year himself, promised to be in sole charge of spending many millions of someone else's money. Twenty million plus transfer fee debt carried over to this year - no worries. Training ground costs 100% overspent - no worries. Lack of ambition - no worries. Then that nice Nicola and the wonderful Pochettino - both of whom would suffer any degree of personal hardship just to see the club's ambition prosper - were forced out by being forced not to agree to requests made of them to stay. And now that evil board probably thinks Lovren and the rest of the wantaways and goneaways were just focussed on their own financial largesse rather than the wonderful fulfillment of the glorious ambition. Meantime, we all know the board has a secret and darstardly plan - a dark plot to make the club a financially viable business. They will never be able to understand real ambition - ambition the like of which Leeds and Portsmouth once had; the sort of ambition oil rich Arab royalty and dodgy Russian oligarchs have. Go then Dejan - don't suffer this awful situation any longer. You have been treated abominably - along with the greatly maligned Adam, Rickie and Luke. Us fans of course will stay - but let's face it, we simply don't deserve the likes of wonderful you. Confucious
  • Score: 83

1:46pm Sun 6 Jul 14

BracknellSaint says...

Think his head is up his rear end, not Liverpool..
Fed up with being made the laughing stock of footy through the petulant and unprofessional actions of some of our ( mainly now ex)'players.
The idea that these grown men, with several years of professional football experience, could have believed that a team just back in the top flight after 7 odd years in the wilderness, would be able to get into the champions league within a couple of years, is frankly ridiculous. Which means that unless they really are/were that naive / stupid, then this is all about money, and blatant use of us as a stepping stone. Don't want excuses and BS, just the truth please..
Think his head is up his rear end, not Liverpool.. Fed up with being made the laughing stock of footy through the petulant and unprofessional actions of some of our ( mainly now ex)'players. The idea that these grown men, with several years of professional football experience, could have believed that a team just back in the top flight after 7 odd years in the wilderness, would be able to get into the champions league within a couple of years, is frankly ridiculous. Which means that unless they really are/were that naive / stupid, then this is all about money, and blatant use of us as a stepping stone. Don't want excuses and BS, just the truth please.. BracknellSaint
  • Score: 15

1:46pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Wembley76 says...

shesaint wrote:
He is complaining that we haven't kept key players, who like him had made it clear they wanted to go. Now he's complaining that we are trying to keep him. He can't have it both ways. Also, MoPo was planning to go as early as April, so I think his lack of commitment to the club has been key in unsettling the players as well as wads of cash. Sadly, I think we have to sell him for as much money as possible, which it appears the board are trying to do. I hate the fact that players are acting like spoilt children and still getting their own way, but we may as well get as much as we can and hope our new squad out plays our old one when we meet them in August.
Exactly, which shows how 'limited' in brain power he is, and why he 'bought' a load of unrealistic dreams from NC....'thick as.....'
Well said 'she saint'..
[quote][p][bold]shesaint[/bold] wrote: He is complaining that we haven't kept key players, who like him had made it clear they wanted to go. Now he's complaining that we are trying to keep him. He can't have it both ways. Also, MoPo was planning to go as early as April, so I think his lack of commitment to the club has been key in unsettling the players as well as wads of cash. Sadly, I think we have to sell him for as much money as possible, which it appears the board are trying to do. I hate the fact that players are acting like spoilt children and still getting their own way, but we may as well get as much as we can and hope our new squad out plays our old one when we meet them in August.[/p][/quote]Exactly, which shows how 'limited' in brain power he is, and why he 'bought' a load of unrealistic dreams from NC....'thick as.....' Well said 'she saint'.. Wembley76
  • Score: 15

1:49pm Sun 6 Jul 14

kingkong 1 says...

Quite agree with saintgibbo maybe then some of the others might get the message
Quite agree with saintgibbo maybe then some of the others might get the message kingkong 1
  • Score: 5

1:49pm Sun 6 Jul 14

angus mc coatup says...

Smuggins2 wrote:
The cat is out of the bag now. Cortese and Pochetino made unrealistic promises to the players. It would have meant spending loads of money which was not Cortese's to spend. Not surprising KL called a stop to it as too much power was vested in one person and decided to appoint a proper board . At the time KL said that she wanted him to stay but he decided to go. Lovren is being very unprofessional in the way he is behaving and is showing massive disrespect to the club. He should get his head back from Liverpool is the rest of him is still in Southampton. Does appointing a top class manager who is a class above the previous one lack of ambition? I think not.
I agree, what is so wrong with KL wanting the club to support itself. Not sure if it's lack of ambition for the club to run within it's means and stay out of debt. This is Southampton FC, not Real Madrid or Barcelona, we're a medium size provincial football club, and we can't compete financially with the biggest outfits out there. I think KL just wants us to find our natural level financially and that's being misconstrued as lack of ambition and no new vision. Even back when Marcus first took over he wanted the club to run under it's own steam, and looking at the millions the Liebherrs have already poured into the infrastructure of SFC it's no major surprise to me that she's wanting to ease up on the funding. What's happening now is the club will be striving to be the best it can be under a less liberal spending agenda, hence the appointment of Big Ron, it's no coincidence that he has a good track record in young player development. This shift in the club's financial direction may turn out the be a good move, as the spend, spend approach of Cortese would probably have led to huge debts and borrowing on future earnings, and we all know where that leads to. So
Katherina, take a bow my lovely you may just may have saved us from financial ruin again.
Liking the new strip btw ........COYR
[quote][p][bold]Smuggins2[/bold] wrote: The cat is out of the bag now. Cortese and Pochetino made unrealistic promises to the players. It would have meant spending loads of money which was not Cortese's to spend. Not surprising KL called a stop to it as too much power was vested in one person and decided to appoint a proper board . At the time KL said that she wanted him to stay but he decided to go. Lovren is being very unprofessional in the way he is behaving and is showing massive disrespect to the club. He should get his head back from Liverpool is the rest of him is still in Southampton. Does appointing a top class manager who is a class above the previous one lack of ambition? I think not.[/p][/quote]I agree, what is so wrong with KL wanting the club to support itself. Not sure if it's lack of ambition for the club to run within it's means and stay out of debt. This is Southampton FC, not Real Madrid or Barcelona, we're a medium size provincial football club, and we can't compete financially with the biggest outfits out there. I think KL just wants us to find our natural level financially and that's being misconstrued as lack of ambition and no new vision. Even back when Marcus first took over he wanted the club to run under it's own steam, and looking at the millions the Liebherrs have already poured into the infrastructure of SFC it's no major surprise to me that she's wanting to ease up on the funding. What's happening now is the club will be striving to be the best it can be under a less liberal spending agenda, hence the appointment of Big Ron, it's no coincidence that he has a good track record in young player development. This shift in the club's financial direction may turn out the be a good move, as the spend, spend approach of Cortese would probably have led to huge debts and borrowing on future earnings, and we all know where that leads to. So Katherina, take a bow my lovely you may just may have saved us from financial ruin again. Liking the new strip btw ........COYR angus mc coatup
  • Score: 41

1:50pm Sun 6 Jul 14

upwherewebelong says...

The stripes wrote:
Let Lovren go.

I think the club has ambition, it's just not the same as NC's. I think NC and Katharina's were very far apart in their ideas.

I feel that NC is at the root of all this, selling a vision to players and fans that just wasn't approved by Katharina. If it was approved it would still be in force today (even with NC not here) and maybe even mopo and players would still be on board.

Having a vision that was obviously not backed up by the owner was useless and has proved to be very damaging in my opinion. I feel with the current set up we're in a much better and more realistic position. Ambitions and visions are much more in line with what can be financially supported. I feel Koeman has been sold the correct vision, whatever it is, by the current board and he's not under any illusion. I think he's the kind of guy we can rely on to get us through this no matter who have left because they feel we have no ambition.

He will get us players that have bought into a vision that is supported by all.
Well balanced post but what is this boards ambition and why should we as Saints fans accept second best. Why does any TRUE Southampton FC fan think just staying up or selling your best players year after year is a good thing. Surely we should all want better finishes year on year otherwise whats the point in any sport if you are willing to allow the status quo to do well. In my opinion that's just crazy. I'll say it again why shouldn't we as fans want more unless you've become so tolerant of mid table or lower finishes that success isn't wanted anymore. I may be making this too simplistic but surely higher finishes = more money in terms of performance payment from Sky = More television more = self financing. If KL doesn't want to support the club financially then fine thats her perogative as it's her families money but sell up to someone with ambition. But what ever the rights or wrongs of the different views if the board just grow a pair and come out and say publically THE TRUTH that the era of having ambition is over then we can all get back to enjoying our summer and supporting Saints next year
[quote][p][bold]The stripes[/bold] wrote: Let Lovren go. I think the club has ambition, it's just not the same as NC's. I think NC and Katharina's were very far apart in their ideas. I feel that NC is at the root of all this, selling a vision to players and fans that just wasn't approved by Katharina. If it was approved it would still be in force today (even with NC not here) and maybe even mopo and players would still be on board. Having a vision that was obviously not backed up by the owner was useless and has proved to be very damaging in my opinion. I feel with the current set up we're in a much better and more realistic position. Ambitions and visions are much more in line with what can be financially supported. I feel Koeman has been sold the correct vision, whatever it is, by the current board and he's not under any illusion. I think he's the kind of guy we can rely on to get us through this no matter who have left because they feel we have no ambition. He will get us players that have bought into a vision that is supported by all.[/p][/quote]Well balanced post but what is this boards ambition and why should we as Saints fans accept second best. Why does any TRUE Southampton FC fan think just staying up or selling your best players year after year is a good thing. Surely we should all want better finishes year on year otherwise whats the point in any sport if you are willing to allow the status quo to do well. In my opinion that's just crazy. I'll say it again why shouldn't we as fans want more unless you've become so tolerant of mid table or lower finishes that success isn't wanted anymore. I may be making this too simplistic but surely higher finishes = more money in terms of performance payment from Sky = More television more = self financing. If KL doesn't want to support the club financially then fine thats her perogative as it's her families money but sell up to someone with ambition. But what ever the rights or wrongs of the different views if the board just grow a pair and come out and say publically THE TRUTH that the era of having ambition is over then we can all get back to enjoying our summer and supporting Saints next year upwherewebelong
  • Score: -18

1:59pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Wembley76 says...

upwherewebelong wrote:
The stripes wrote:
Let Lovren go.

I think the club has ambition, it's just not the same as NC's. I think NC and Katharina's were very far apart in their ideas.

I feel that NC is at the root of all this, selling a vision to players and fans that just wasn't approved by Katharina. If it was approved it would still be in force today (even with NC not here) and maybe even mopo and players would still be on board.

Having a vision that was obviously not backed up by the owner was useless and has proved to be very damaging in my opinion. I feel with the current set up we're in a much better and more realistic position. Ambitions and visions are much more in line with what can be financially supported. I feel Koeman has been sold the correct vision, whatever it is, by the current board and he's not under any illusion. I think he's the kind of guy we can rely on to get us through this no matter who have left because they feel we have no ambition.

He will get us players that have bought into a vision that is supported by all.
Well balanced post but what is this boards ambition and why should we as Saints fans accept second best. Why does any TRUE Southampton FC fan think just staying up or selling your best players year after year is a good thing. Surely we should all want better finishes year on year otherwise whats the point in any sport if you are willing to allow the status quo to do well. In my opinion that's just crazy. I'll say it again why shouldn't we as fans want more unless you've become so tolerant of mid table or lower finishes that success isn't wanted anymore. I may be making this too simplistic but surely higher finishes = more money in terms of performance payment from Sky = More television more = self financing. If KL doesn't want to support the club financially then fine thats her perogative as it's her families money but sell up to someone with ambition. But what ever the rights or wrongs of the different views if the board just grow a pair and come out and say publically THE TRUTH that the era of having ambition is over then we can all get back to enjoying our summer and supporting Saints next year
It's not abut a lack of ambition, it's about pragmatism and reality.....this club has been supported admirably by KL and her late father...we were in administration and heading for the same situation as Pompey. And have you been following the Leeds story...the crazy owner obviously thinks Forest Green were a CL outfit, and has now sacked his keeper because he has an unlucky # in his d.o.b. Let's be grateful for where we are and what has been achieved in the past 5 years...and keep our feet firmly on the ground to avoid another 'boom and bust'...it is v disappointing that players have exited due to their own greed and their agents, but we will live another day and can still look forward to an exciting season ahead with some great new players and a quality coach...wake up ad smell the coffee
[quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The stripes[/bold] wrote: Let Lovren go. I think the club has ambition, it's just not the same as NC's. I think NC and Katharina's were very far apart in their ideas. I feel that NC is at the root of all this, selling a vision to players and fans that just wasn't approved by Katharina. If it was approved it would still be in force today (even with NC not here) and maybe even mopo and players would still be on board. Having a vision that was obviously not backed up by the owner was useless and has proved to be very damaging in my opinion. I feel with the current set up we're in a much better and more realistic position. Ambitions and visions are much more in line with what can be financially supported. I feel Koeman has been sold the correct vision, whatever it is, by the current board and he's not under any illusion. I think he's the kind of guy we can rely on to get us through this no matter who have left because they feel we have no ambition. He will get us players that have bought into a vision that is supported by all.[/p][/quote]Well balanced post but what is this boards ambition and why should we as Saints fans accept second best. Why does any TRUE Southampton FC fan think just staying up or selling your best players year after year is a good thing. Surely we should all want better finishes year on year otherwise whats the point in any sport if you are willing to allow the status quo to do well. In my opinion that's just crazy. I'll say it again why shouldn't we as fans want more unless you've become so tolerant of mid table or lower finishes that success isn't wanted anymore. I may be making this too simplistic but surely higher finishes = more money in terms of performance payment from Sky = More television more = self financing. If KL doesn't want to support the club financially then fine thats her perogative as it's her families money but sell up to someone with ambition. But what ever the rights or wrongs of the different views if the board just grow a pair and come out and say publically THE TRUTH that the era of having ambition is over then we can all get back to enjoying our summer and supporting Saints next year[/p][/quote]It's not abut a lack of ambition, it's about pragmatism and reality.....this club has been supported admirably by KL and her late father...we were in administration and heading for the same situation as Pompey. And have you been following the Leeds story...the crazy owner obviously thinks Forest Green were a CL outfit, and has now sacked his keeper because he has an unlucky # in his d.o.b. Let's be grateful for where we are and what has been achieved in the past 5 years...and keep our feet firmly on the ground to avoid another 'boom and bust'...it is v disappointing that players have exited due to their own greed and their agents, but we will live another day and can still look forward to an exciting season ahead with some great new players and a quality coach...wake up ad smell the coffee Wembley76
  • Score: 15

2:01pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Mush On The Beach says...

Liverpool has blood on their hands in what has transpired with us, I truly wish them all they deserve in the coming season .... No Suarez, no Sanchez, no success and plenty of mercenaries bleeding them dry while kissing the Liverpool badge in a show of fake loyalty.
Liverpool has blood on their hands in what has transpired with us, I truly wish them all they deserve in the coming season .... No Suarez, no Sanchez, no success and plenty of mercenaries bleeding them dry while kissing the Liverpool badge in a show of fake loyalty. Mush On The Beach
  • Score: 33

2:02pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Smuggins2 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Excerpt from a Croatian Radio conversation:- Liverpool sent an offer for me, and the club haven't told me about it. Or about other offers from Liverpool. That was not fair. I found about it from other people, I was very disappointed by it and it was clear to me that Southampton is not a place for me.

Now that can be interpreted in different ways, could it be that Scouse were tapping him up without us knowing?
Most likely his Agent.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Excerpt from a Croatian Radio conversation:- Liverpool sent an offer for me, and the club haven't told me about it. Or about other offers from Liverpool. That was not fair. I found about it from other people, I was very disappointed by it and it was clear to me that Southampton is not a place for me. Now that can be interpreted in different ways, could it be that Scouse were tapping him up without us knowing?[/p][/quote]Most likely his Agent. Smuggins2
  • Score: 8

2:04pm Sun 6 Jul 14

7saint7 says...

Lovren is right there . We don't know why NC left but it looks like Kat did not have the same ambition as her dad & NC and Selling all are key players show that. But i realy don't think liverpool have bid the 20mill asking price.
there playing games to try and get him on the cheap.
Mind Osvaldo was a 15 mill flop so maybe Kat told NC enough who knows.
Lovren is right there . We don't know why NC left but it looks like Kat did not have the same ambition as her dad & NC and Selling all are key players show that. But i realy don't think liverpool have bid the 20mill asking price. there playing games to try and get him on the cheap. Mind Osvaldo was a 15 mill flop so maybe Kat told NC enough who knows. 7saint7
  • Score: -8

2:09pm Sun 6 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

the last time he played at diverpooh was 21st sept 2013, has his head been there ever since? was this a radio interview? or is it just more stirring from the press/diverpooh?

I for one find it hard to believe that a professional footballer would make such statements against the club that still pays his wages. however if it is true then we should fine him 2 weeks wages immediately and tell him he is going nowhere. we only paid £8.5mill for him and if the board don't want to sell and can write that off then make him stay. he isn't going to get the `big move` hes after if he doesn't preform to his best. 2yrs of mucking about and he will be lucky to get stoke come in for him!

what is it with these players that makes them think they are entitled to play in the champs league? why would dejan leave a champs league team if he was that desperate to play in it? if he did go to diverpooh what will he do next season when diverpooh fail to qualify again?

I don't care what people say about Murdoch and sky ruining football in this country I lay the blame fully at UEFA, they created the champs league so they could get more games and more money from tv deals. they promote the champs league heavily and because of that players want to play in it. they have also dumped 2 good competitions to create the Europa league, which everyone knows is a complete joke and waste of time. how can a team that hasnt won anything in years qualify for the champions league? arsenil went years without winning a thing yet because they were able to finish 4th in the prem they get the extra revenue from the champs league! this is just the build up to the creation of a European league system, where the elite get all the money and players without the fear of relegation, and no one will be able to break into it!
the last time he played at diverpooh was 21st sept 2013, has his head been there ever since? was this a radio interview? or is it just more stirring from the press/diverpooh? I for one find it hard to believe that a professional footballer would make such statements against the club that still pays his wages. however if it is true then we should fine him 2 weeks wages immediately and tell him he is going nowhere. we only paid £8.5mill for him and if the board don't want to sell and can write that off then make him stay. he isn't going to get the `big move` hes after if he doesn't preform to his best. 2yrs of mucking about and he will be lucky to get stoke come in for him! what is it with these players that makes them think they are entitled to play in the champs league? why would dejan leave a champs league team if he was that desperate to play in it? if he did go to diverpooh what will he do next season when diverpooh fail to qualify again? I don't care what people say about Murdoch and sky ruining football in this country I lay the blame fully at UEFA, they created the champs league so they could get more games and more money from tv deals. they promote the champs league heavily and because of that players want to play in it. they have also dumped 2 good competitions to create the Europa league, which everyone knows is a complete joke and waste of time. how can a team that hasnt won anything in years qualify for the champions league? arsenil went years without winning a thing yet because they were able to finish 4th in the prem they get the extra revenue from the champs league! this is just the build up to the creation of a European league system, where the elite get all the money and players without the fear of relegation, and no one will be able to break into it! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 5

2:09pm Sun 6 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

Jan28th1984 wrote:
At last, someone from the inside who has spoken up about the club's direction.
We all thought it - those who said it were thumbs-downed to hell.
"Lack of ambition."
"...things had fallen apart,"
"....don't know who the main man is at the club anymore."

So there is the real reason why Poch and all the players are leaving...........th

e club doesn't want it.

You can't blame the players for wanting away and making the most of their careers, if the opportunity presents itself for them, which it has. Why stay at a club which only wants to go nowhere?

It makes me wonder why Koeman took the job - what did the board say to him? What is his mission? What are his goals?

And the supporters? Ach - don't worry about them! F*ck em! Whatever happens they will always turn up! They will always be there! They will always give up their time and money for the club!
not sure why the above comment has so many thumbs down…truth is i believe that many fans are in a state of denial, a human reflex condition in times of stress,
[quote][p][bold]Jan28th1984[/bold] wrote: At last, someone from the inside who has spoken up about the club's direction. We all thought it - those who said it were thumbs-downed to hell. "Lack of ambition." "...things had fallen apart," "....don't know who the main man is at the club anymore." So there is the real reason why Poch and all the players are leaving...........th e club doesn't want it. You can't blame the players for wanting away and making the most of their careers, if the opportunity presents itself for them, which it has. Why stay at a club which only wants to go nowhere? It makes me wonder why Koeman took the job - what did the board say to him? What is his mission? What are his goals? And the supporters? Ach - don't worry about them! F*ck em! Whatever happens they will always turn up! They will always be there! They will always give up their time and money for the club![/p][/quote]not sure why the above comment has so many thumbs down…truth is i believe that many fans are in a state of denial, a human reflex condition in times of stress, warrens 76
  • Score: -16

2:13pm Sun 6 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Could it be that the Honeymoon is over and like all modern marriages, divorce pending?
Could it be that the Honeymoon is over and like all modern marriages, divorce pending? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

2:18pm Sun 6 Jul 14

right back in the bar says...

SouthamptonLegend wrote:
I really don't understand why Lovren would want to leave Saints to play a few extra games in the CL, when our new manager was one of the best centre backs to have ever played the game... having won mostly all the honours you possibly can and played for the biggest club in the world... ANYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN CELL WOULD STAY AT LEAST ONE SEASON AND LEARN FROM THE BEST!!!

LOVREN, WHO WILL IMPROVE YOU AS A PLAYER AND CENTRE BACK...BRENDA ROGERS OR RONALD KOEMAN???

'NUFF SAID.
His head maybe in Liverpool but his head doesn't have a brain in it. Unfortunately Lovren represents all that is odious about footballers - greedy, avaricious, limited set of values - certainly none that you would expect of a reasonable human being. I hope we make this as difficult as possible for him.
[quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: I really don't understand why Lovren would want to leave Saints to play a few extra games in the CL, when our new manager was one of the best centre backs to have ever played the game... having won mostly all the honours you possibly can and played for the biggest club in the world... ANYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN CELL WOULD STAY AT LEAST ONE SEASON AND LEARN FROM THE BEST!!! LOVREN, WHO WILL IMPROVE YOU AS A PLAYER AND CENTRE BACK...BRENDA ROGERS OR RONALD KOEMAN??? 'NUFF SAID.[/p][/quote]His head maybe in Liverpool but his head doesn't have a brain in it. Unfortunately Lovren represents all that is odious about footballers - greedy, avaricious, limited set of values - certainly none that you would expect of a reasonable human being. I hope we make this as difficult as possible for him. right back in the bar
  • Score: 12

2:25pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Jan28th1984 says...

long memory wrote:
Jan28th1984 wrote:
At last, someone from the inside who has spoken up about the club's direction.
We all thought it - those who said it were thumbs-downed to hell.
"Lack of ambition."
"...things had fallen apart,"
"....don't know who the main man is at the club anymore."

So there is the real reason why Poch and all the players are leaving...........th


e club doesn't want it.

You can't blame the players for wanting away and making the most of their careers, if the opportunity presents itself for them, which it has. Why stay at a club which only wants to go nowhere?

It makes me wonder why Koeman took the job - what did the board say to him? What is his mission? What are his goals?

And the supporters? Ach - don't worry about them! F*ck em! Whatever happens they will always turn up! They will always be there! They will always give up their time and money for the club!
Why don't we wait and see what Ronko has to say at his press conference,this coming Friday, maybe there will be a couple of new players in by then, plus hear what he has to say,then we can possibly make a more balanced judgement, I am feeling very optimistic at the moment.
I envy you, long memory, I envy your optimism, I really do.

I hope I am wrong with what I said earlier, but try as I might I can't help but get that strange nagging feeling that selling our best players to our main rivals, while not replacing them is, in some odd and perverse way, not the best way forward for us.

Like you say, maybe Mr Koeman has something for us to be cheerful about, although at the present time I can't imagine what it might be.
[quote][p][bold]long memory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jan28th1984[/bold] wrote: At last, someone from the inside who has spoken up about the club's direction. We all thought it - those who said it were thumbs-downed to hell. "Lack of ambition." "...things had fallen apart," "....don't know who the main man is at the club anymore." So there is the real reason why Poch and all the players are leaving...........th e club doesn't want it. You can't blame the players for wanting away and making the most of their careers, if the opportunity presents itself for them, which it has. Why stay at a club which only wants to go nowhere? It makes me wonder why Koeman took the job - what did the board say to him? What is his mission? What are his goals? And the supporters? Ach - don't worry about them! F*ck em! Whatever happens they will always turn up! They will always be there! They will always give up their time and money for the club![/p][/quote]Why don't we wait and see what Ronko has to say at his press conference,this coming Friday, maybe there will be a couple of new players in by then, plus hear what he has to say,then we can possibly make a more balanced judgement, I am feeling very optimistic at the moment.[/p][/quote]I envy you, long memory, I envy your optimism, I really do. I hope I am wrong with what I said earlier, but try as I might I can't help but get that strange nagging feeling that selling our best players to our main rivals, while not replacing them is, in some odd and perverse way, not the best way forward for us. Like you say, maybe Mr Koeman has something for us to be cheerful about, although at the present time I can't imagine what it might be. Jan28th1984
  • Score: -1

2:25pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Linesman says...

If his heart is not in the club, then get his @rse out.
If his heart is not in the club, then get his @rse out. Linesman
  • Score: 3

2:37pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Jan28th1984 says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Jan28th1984 wrote:
At last, someone from the inside who has spoken up about the club's direction.
We all thought it - those who said it were thumbs-downed to hell.
"Lack of ambition."
"...things had fallen apart,"
"....don't know who the main man is at the club anymore."

So there is the real reason why Poch and all the players are leaving...........th


e club doesn't want it.

You can't blame the players for wanting away and making the most of their careers, if the opportunity presents itself for them, which it has. Why stay at a club which only wants to go nowhere?

It makes me wonder why Koeman took the job - what did the board say to him? What is his mission? What are his goals?

And the supporters? Ach - don't worry about them! F*ck em! Whatever happens they will always turn up! They will always be there! They will always give up their time and money for the club!
not sure why the above comment has so many thumbs down…truth is i believe that many fans are in a state of denial, a human reflex condition in times of stress,
The fans are in shock - thumbs-downing is great if it makes them wake up and think about what is happening at the club.

Like I say, I hope I am wrong. I hope the club wants the CL and a major every season, but evidence suggests the contrary.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jan28th1984[/bold] wrote: At last, someone from the inside who has spoken up about the club's direction. We all thought it - those who said it were thumbs-downed to hell. "Lack of ambition." "...things had fallen apart," "....don't know who the main man is at the club anymore." So there is the real reason why Poch and all the players are leaving...........th e club doesn't want it. You can't blame the players for wanting away and making the most of their careers, if the opportunity presents itself for them, which it has. Why stay at a club which only wants to go nowhere? It makes me wonder why Koeman took the job - what did the board say to him? What is his mission? What are his goals? And the supporters? Ach - don't worry about them! F*ck em! Whatever happens they will always turn up! They will always be there! They will always give up their time and money for the club![/p][/quote]not sure why the above comment has so many thumbs down…truth is i believe that many fans are in a state of denial, a human reflex condition in times of stress,[/p][/quote]The fans are in shock - thumbs-downing is great if it makes them wake up and think about what is happening at the club. Like I say, I hope I am wrong. I hope the club wants the CL and a major every season, but evidence suggests the contrary. Jan28th1984
  • Score: -6

2:43pm Sun 6 Jul 14

insider1234 says...

DEJAN, MORGAN LISTEN CAREFULLY.... MO PO DIDN'T GET INTO EUROPE, HE NEVER HAS DONE SO AND WON'T GET ABOVE 6th AT SPURS. RONALD KOEMANN HAS QUALIFIED FOR IT, STARRED IN IT AND WON IT AS A PLAYER. WE HAVE A MANAGER NOW WITH MORE EXPERIENCE, DO YOU REALLY THINK HE CAME WITHOUT THINKING HE COULD GET INTO EUROPE? He mentioned it on the 1st day for f@&@s sake.

If we did a West Brom and hired Irvine I'd say you had a point, but this is Ronald Koemann, an all time great and you could a) Show him the respect he deserves and b) learn a lot from him.

Who do you think you would learn more from, Brendan Rogers, MoPo or Ronald Koemann. No contest.
DEJAN, MORGAN LISTEN CAREFULLY.... MO PO DIDN'T GET INTO EUROPE, HE NEVER HAS DONE SO AND WON'T GET ABOVE 6th AT SPURS. RONALD KOEMANN HAS QUALIFIED FOR IT, STARRED IN IT AND WON IT AS A PLAYER. WE HAVE A MANAGER NOW WITH MORE EXPERIENCE, DO YOU REALLY THINK HE CAME WITHOUT THINKING HE COULD GET INTO EUROPE? He mentioned it on the 1st day for f@&@s sake. If we did a West Brom and hired Irvine I'd say you had a point, but this is Ronald Koemann, an all time great and you could a) Show him the respect he deserves and b) learn a lot from him. Who do you think you would learn more from, Brendan Rogers, MoPo or Ronald Koemann. No contest. insider1234
  • Score: 47

2:43pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Dorssaints says...

He is right if we had not sold players we would be going places so why don't we refuse to sell him ! If he goes he should go anywhere but Liverhampton ! Sell him to anyone other than there !
He is right if we had not sold players we would be going places so why don't we refuse to sell him ! If he goes he should go anywhere but Liverhampton ! Sell him to anyone other than there ! Dorssaints
  • Score: 10

2:49pm Sun 6 Jul 14

SaintSteve76 says...

When are some people going to start realising that the ambition is not as high as when cortese was at the club? I for one completely believe Lovren when he said he would have gladly stayed at the club if they had ambitions and kept key players. Why the mass exodus and players suddenly wanting to leave. Unfortunately the lack of ambition is obvious.
When are some people going to start realising that the ambition is not as high as when cortese was at the club? I for one completely believe Lovren when he said he would have gladly stayed at the club if they had ambitions and kept key players. Why the mass exodus and players suddenly wanting to leave. Unfortunately the lack of ambition is obvious. SaintSteve76
  • Score: -12

2:50pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Harold K Steptoe says...

Never heard such cr@p. "if they'd kept the key players I'd have stayed". The key players wanted out and threatened to strike if not sold just like your doing you bell end. Ship this mug out with every penny paid up front and no stupid add ons.
Never heard such cr@p. "if they'd kept the key players I'd have stayed". The key players wanted out and threatened to strike if not sold just like your doing you bell end. Ship this mug out with every penny paid up front and no stupid add ons. Harold K Steptoe
  • Score: 7

2:50pm Sun 6 Jul 14

cgsaint says...

Putting aside for one moment Lovren's obvious greed and lack of respect/integrity, the clubs failure to apply a firm grasp to the entire situation once the final whistle blew has been nothing short of deplorable. They might maintain what they consider to be an honourable silence? but such a position is only effective if there is a resoundingly clear message of the future plans and objectives to the playing staff and all are on board. The facts are simple: the new board has been assembled from jan onwards. They have had all that time to be clear on what they aim for and to put the key cornerstones in place. Yet, what we have is disillusionment created by in adequate leadership from the top of the club. What on earth has Les Reed for example been doing to deliver this message since jan ? What on earth is he doing now to get these deals painfully over the line. Why cant he and the rest not communicate effectively and why did they not take action to prevent the rot and drain in the faith and leadership of the club including mo pos own lack of commitment since jan?. They have been naive in the extreme. As for lovren, an example must be made so let him rot in the reserves.
Putting aside for one moment Lovren's obvious greed and lack of respect/integrity, the clubs failure to apply a firm grasp to the entire situation once the final whistle blew has been nothing short of deplorable. They might maintain what they consider to be an honourable silence? but such a position is only effective if there is a resoundingly clear message of the future plans and objectives to the playing staff and all are on board. The facts are simple: the new board has been assembled from jan onwards. They have had all that time to be clear on what they aim for and to put the key cornerstones in place. Yet, what we have is disillusionment created by in adequate leadership from the top of the club. What on earth has Les Reed for example been doing to deliver this message since jan ? What on earth is he doing now to get these deals painfully over the line. Why cant he and the rest not communicate effectively and why did they not take action to prevent the rot and drain in the faith and leadership of the club including mo pos own lack of commitment since jan?. They have been naive in the extreme. As for lovren, an example must be made so let him rot in the reserves. cgsaint
  • Score: 11

2:55pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Thankyounicola says...

He is a rebel. Keep him and he will come good. Offer him a better deal maybe.
He is a rebel. Keep him and he will come good. Offer him a better deal maybe. Thankyounicola
  • Score: 6

2:57pm Sun 6 Jul 14

u bunch of mugs says...

Les Reed is the one that should leave. I have heard he is the one that put the knife in on NC to Miss K. Have you not noticed since NC has gone he is involved in everything it's like he owns the club.
I have said for a long time with Reed at our club we are Fu@ked.
REED OUT REED OUT REED OUT REED OUT REED OUT REED OUT REED OUT REED OUT
Les Reed is the one that should leave. I have heard he is the one that put the knife in on NC to Miss K. Have you not noticed since NC has gone he is involved in everything it's like he owns the club. I have said for a long time with Reed at our club we are Fu@ked. REED OUT REED OUT REED OUT REED OUT REED OUT REED OUT REED OUT REED OUT u bunch of mugs
  • Score: -19

2:59pm Sun 6 Jul 14

bullsbags says...

Wembley76 wrote:
bullsbags wrote:
Anyone who wants to go,put em on Rightmove at an offers over price
This situation is a complete joke!
We will see in the next week if the board have any balls whatsoever or if they are a bunch of useless cuntts
My money is on the latter
Do we have to put up with this kind of language on the website...by all means express your opinion but there is no need for such foul terms....kids go onto this site too mate!!!
Fair comment
I apologise
[quote][p][bold]Wembley76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bullsbags[/bold] wrote: Anyone who wants to go,put em on Rightmove at an offers over price This situation is a complete joke! We will see in the next week if the board have any balls whatsoever or if they are a bunch of useless cuntts My money is on the latter[/p][/quote]Do we have to put up with this kind of language on the website...by all means express your opinion but there is no need for such foul terms....kids go onto this site too mate!!![/p][/quote]Fair comment I apologise bullsbags
  • Score: 17

3:00pm Sun 6 Jul 14

pitbull says...

You can tell he's full of sh!t when he stated that Osvaldo and Wanyama "are great players".
Funny how he knew the previous manager was going in April but the two faced Argie mislead the club by saying he would talk contracts in the summer.

How dare he tell the club what he is worth and how much profit they would make.

He's just another money grabbing tw4t just like Lallana and Shaw.
You can tell he's full of sh!t when he stated that Osvaldo and Wanyama "are great players". Funny how he knew the previous manager was going in April but the two faced Argie mislead the club by saying he would talk contracts in the summer. How dare he tell the club what he is worth and how much profit they would make. He's just another money grabbing tw4t just like Lallana and Shaw. pitbull
  • Score: 22

3:15pm Sun 6 Jul 14

peregrine73 says...

Bingo from Sholing wrote:
echo1948 wrote:
Much as I am dismayed by another player wanting to , I can,t help feeling that this is the root cause of our problems i.e. "Lack of ambition"
Absolutely correct!
Lack of ambition +no direction +a pinch of greed = relegation 2014/15.
For 5 years we were on a journey under Cortesse, now we are walking a nightmare. Reed and Executive Chairman should go now!. Take your money and clear out. You have had you 6 months of fame Let us get rid of the burnt out committee men and replace them with people who recognise what was the biggest opportunity in English football.
Spot on!I repeat the board has one ambition: make as much money from sell of our best players!.Shaw and the others learnt this towards the end of last season,hence the mass exodus including MP.There all go and who can blame them? A whole team to replace and stay up?: no chance,massive turmoil and the board to go at the end of the season was we contemplate life in the championship.
[quote][p][bold]Bingo from Sholing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: Much as I am dismayed by another player wanting to , I can,t help feeling that this is the root cause of our problems i.e. "Lack of ambition"[/p][/quote]Absolutely correct! Lack of ambition +no direction +a pinch of greed = relegation 2014/15. For 5 years we were on a journey under Cortesse, now we are walking a nightmare. Reed and Executive Chairman should go now!. Take your money and clear out. You have had you 6 months of fame Let us get rid of the burnt out committee men and replace them with people who recognise what was the biggest opportunity in English football.[/p][/quote]Spot on!I repeat the board has one ambition: make as much money from sell of our best players!.Shaw and the others learnt this towards the end of last season,hence the mass exodus including MP.There all go and who can blame them? A whole team to replace and stay up?: no chance,massive turmoil and the board to go at the end of the season was we contemplate life in the championship. peregrine73
  • Score: -18

3:16pm Sun 6 Jul 14

BumperSaint says...

The thing that I find most amazing about the 'OUR' players desire to play for Liverpool for champ league football is that after one season and maybe getting to the group stage it is highly likely that Liverpool won't be in the champions league! If Suarez Leaves, I would bet my house on it that Liverpool will be back firmly in 6th to 8th territory again. Man U will be back in the hunt next season and Liverpool won't cope with the extra games. Last season was a one off for the scousers. This is all about Lovren wanting more money...... Cash in on him and let's get the next 8 mil bargain in to replace him!
The thing that I find most amazing about the 'OUR' players desire to play for Liverpool for champ league football is that after one season and maybe getting to the group stage it is highly likely that Liverpool won't be in the champions league! If Suarez Leaves, I would bet my house on it that Liverpool will be back firmly in 6th to 8th territory again. Man U will be back in the hunt next season and Liverpool won't cope with the extra games. Last season was a one off for the scousers. This is all about Lovren wanting more money...... Cash in on him and let's get the next 8 mil bargain in to replace him! BumperSaint
  • Score: 10

3:16pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Confucious says...

Lovren tweeted later to say that either his @rse or his elbow was in Dubrovnik, but he wasn't sure which.
Lovren tweeted later to say that either his @rse or his elbow was in Dubrovnik, but he wasn't sure which. Confucious
  • Score: 15

3:21pm Sun 6 Jul 14

fred the red says...

The stripes wrote:
Let Lovren go.

I think the club has ambition, it's just not the same as NC's. I think NC and Katharina's were very far apart in their ideas.

I feel that NC is at the root of all this, selling a vision to players and fans that just wasn't approved by Katharina. If it was approved it would still be in force today (even with NC not here) and maybe even mopo and players would still be on board.

Having a vision that was obviously not backed up by the owner was useless and has proved to be very damaging in my opinion. I feel with the current set up we're in a much better and more realistic position. Ambitions and visions are much more in line with what can be financially supported. I feel Koeman has been sold the correct vision, whatever it is, by the current board and he's not under any illusion. I think he's the kind of guy we can rely on to get us through this no matter who have left because they feel we have no ambition.

He will get us players that have bought into a vision that is supported by all.
There is a lot of sense in this argument. At the start and end of the day it is the one who pays who calls the tune and that was not NC
[quote][p][bold]The stripes[/bold] wrote: Let Lovren go. I think the club has ambition, it's just not the same as NC's. I think NC and Katharina's were very far apart in their ideas. I feel that NC is at the root of all this, selling a vision to players and fans that just wasn't approved by Katharina. If it was approved it would still be in force today (even with NC not here) and maybe even mopo and players would still be on board. Having a vision that was obviously not backed up by the owner was useless and has proved to be very damaging in my opinion. I feel with the current set up we're in a much better and more realistic position. Ambitions and visions are much more in line with what can be financially supported. I feel Koeman has been sold the correct vision, whatever it is, by the current board and he's not under any illusion. I think he's the kind of guy we can rely on to get us through this no matter who have left because they feel we have no ambition. He will get us players that have bought into a vision that is supported by all.[/p][/quote]There is a lot of sense in this argument. At the start and end of the day it is the one who pays who calls the tune and that was not NC fred the red
  • Score: 11

3:22pm Sun 6 Jul 14

NC Fan4Life says...

echo1948 wrote:
Much as I am dismayed by another player wanting to , I can,t help feeling that this is the root cause of our problems i.e. "Lack of ambition"
I agree with Lovren and have been saying that it is not the money is AMBITION that is the cause of all our best players leaving.

It is now very clear that communication from the new Board to the players and to us fans has been non-existent.

There does not seem to be a 'main man' driving us. If it is Ralph then is is doing a poor job and Les is spending his time selling not buying.
Whilst we should all be grateful that Katarina has continued to invest in the club she is not going to bank roll a CL chase.

We were told by the new board that the club was still going to push on but have done nothing to show it to us or the players. They have sold not one but all three of our England stars and not replaced them.

All our top players have now realized that they have to leave to fulfill their ambitions, Lovren and sadly Morgan will go and I don't blame them.

So we do not push on but hopefully settle as a middle to top half Prem team and accept our star players will leave, Lovren & Morgan next and the best one or two next season.

However lets get behind RonKo who has an uphill task of rebuilding the team to keep clear of relegation at the moment, but mainly can the board please communicate and start buying the 8 top quality players we now need to give RonKo a chance. He must be wondering what he has walked into.

Keeping Morgan would be the best signing we could make and Lovren staying would stem the tide.

COYR&WS We can rise again.
[quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: Much as I am dismayed by another player wanting to , I can,t help feeling that this is the root cause of our problems i.e. "Lack of ambition"[/p][/quote]I agree with Lovren and have been saying that it is not the money is AMBITION that is the cause of all our best players leaving. It is now very clear that communication from the new Board to the players and to us fans has been non-existent. There does not seem to be a 'main man' driving us. If it is Ralph then is is doing a poor job and Les is spending his time selling not buying. Whilst we should all be grateful that Katarina has continued to invest in the club she is not going to bank roll a CL chase. We were told by the new board that the club was still going to push on but have done nothing to show it to us or the players. They have sold not one but all three of our England stars and not replaced them. All our top players have now realized that they have to leave to fulfill their ambitions, Lovren and sadly Morgan will go and I don't blame them. So we do not push on but hopefully settle as a middle to top half Prem team and accept our star players will leave, Lovren & Morgan next and the best one or two next season. However lets get behind RonKo who has an uphill task of rebuilding the team to keep clear of relegation at the moment, but mainly can the board please communicate and start buying the 8 top quality players we now need to give RonKo a chance. He must be wondering what he has walked into. Keeping Morgan would be the best signing we could make and Lovren staying would stem the tide. COYR&WS We can rise again. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 1

3:23pm Sun 6 Jul 14

saintbobby says...

saintgibbo wrote:
I agree with the club. Keep him. He isn't for sale. Not only is it an insult to the players still here but an insult to Ronald.
A name like his doesn't come here to be an also ran.
Stick him on the bench till September if needs be then stick him in the team. If he doesn't play to his potential other clubs won't be interested and he will go nowhere.
These players must learn that contracts should be honoured until it's in the interests of both parties.
I agree 100%.

I think this "lack of ambition" comment actually means I can get more money at Liverpool.

Also, Dejan says "Saints want £25 million but I don't think they will get it".
I translate that to mean Saints won't sell him! Same thing.

Come on Board, make a stand and keep him to his contract. Then Spiderman might also stay.
[quote][p][bold]saintgibbo[/bold] wrote: I agree with the club. Keep him. He isn't for sale. Not only is it an insult to the players still here but an insult to Ronald. A name like his doesn't come here to be an also ran. Stick him on the bench till September if needs be then stick him in the team. If he doesn't play to his potential other clubs won't be interested and he will go nowhere. These players must learn that contracts should be honoured until it's in the interests of both parties.[/p][/quote]I agree 100%. I think this "lack of ambition" comment actually means I can get more money at Liverpool. Also, Dejan says "Saints want £25 million but I don't think they will get it". I translate that to mean Saints won't sell him! Same thing. Come on Board, make a stand and keep him to his contract. Then Spiderman might also stay. saintbobby
  • Score: 13

3:24pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Epsom Saint says...

This is just an excuse - he wanted to go weeks ago. As for our so called lack of ambition, who's to say the board haven't made funds available? By all accounts I have heard, they have put in £30m over and above transfer receipts.

He's on his way, but let's make sure we get top dollar for him. We don't need the money now, so he and Liverpool / Spurs can sweat it out.
This is just an excuse - he wanted to go weeks ago. As for our so called lack of ambition, who's to say the board haven't made funds available? By all accounts I have heard, they have put in £30m over and above transfer receipts. He's on his way, but let's make sure we get top dollar for him. We don't need the money now, so he and Liverpool / Spurs can sweat it out. Epsom Saint
  • Score: 7

3:25pm Sun 6 Jul 14

George4th says...

singapore saint84 wrote:
Of all the signings in the world... i want cortese back!!!
Cortese leaving sparked a domino affect - it was always going to be the case - he was the glue and the ambition, and the reason everyone else bought into it.

As soon as he left, the "togetherness" left with him.................
.....

Methinks Ms Liebherr and family listened to business advice rather than footballing advice!
(Who can blame them? From an out and out business point of view, they are making loads of money, both in player sale value and football club value!)
[quote][p][bold]singapore saint84[/bold] wrote: Of all the signings in the world... i want cortese back!!![/p][/quote]Cortese leaving sparked a domino affect - it was always going to be the case - he was the glue and the ambition, and the reason everyone else bought into it. As soon as he left, the "togetherness" left with him................. ..... Methinks Ms Liebherr and family listened to business advice rather than footballing advice! (Who can blame them? From an out and out business point of view, they are making loads of money, both in player sale value and football club value!) George4th
  • Score: -8

3:29pm Sun 6 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

u bunch of mugs wrote:
Les Reed is the one that should leave. I have heard he is the one that put the knife in on NC to Miss K. Have you not noticed since NC has gone he is involved in everything it's like he owns the club.
I have said for a long time with Reed at our club we are Fu@ked.
REED OUT REED OUT REED OUT REED OUT REED OUT REED OUT REED OUT REED OUT
again is this the same les reed who NC appointed over4yrs ago? the same les reed that no one really cared about until NC left?
the same les reed that has instrumental in our youth policy for 4yrs, helping to bring through the likes of chambers, jwp, big sam, shaw etc etc?
the same les reed that has ensured our youth players get a chance in the first team squad?
the same les reed that is in charge of footballing maters and so is the person who comments to the press, making him the one we hear from?
the same les reed who authored the FA's official coaching manual, The Official FA Guide to Basic Team Coaching?

its easy to blame the person in charge when things don't go as well as hoped and so I guess les reed is the new target.

did you know that und NC we were running up huge debts and KL had to step in and pay off some herself? did you know that NC was making promises he knew he couldn't keep? why do you think he left when KL asked him to stay? what is happening now is a direct result of NC and his `vision` of getting into the champs league. yes we had some great players last season but with them and MP we still only finished 8th and a long way short of champs league. NC promised the players we would be competing for the title not just champs league, how many players would he have had to bring in to achieve that? how much would that have cost? no one wants the club to settle for mid-table safety every year, like Newcastle are happy to do with their owner not willing to invest but happy to sell, but we don't want to `do a poopey` and spend fortunes we haven't got! we finished 30pts away from mancy last year and 23pts away from 4th, did the players and some fans really think we could challenge that next season, even if we had kept all the player?
why you think les reed is to blame for any of that I will never know, but then I suppose people always want to blame someone, look at the treatment some fans gave to fox and guly!
[quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: Les Reed is the one that should leave. I have heard he is the one that put the knife in on NC to Miss K. Have you not noticed since NC has gone he is involved in everything it's like he owns the club. I have said for a long time with Reed at our club we are Fu@ked. REED OUT REED OUT REED OUT REED OUT REED OUT REED OUT REED OUT REED OUT[/p][/quote]again is this the same les reed who NC appointed over4yrs ago? the same les reed that no one really cared about until NC left? the same les reed that has instrumental in our youth policy for 4yrs, helping to bring through the likes of chambers, jwp, big sam, shaw etc etc? the same les reed that has ensured our youth players get a chance in the first team squad? the same les reed that is in charge of footballing maters and so is the person who comments to the press, making him the one we hear from? the same les reed who authored the FA's official coaching manual, The Official FA Guide to Basic Team Coaching? its easy to blame the person in charge when things don't go as well as hoped and so I guess les reed is the new target. did you know that und NC we were running up huge debts and KL had to step in and pay off some herself? did you know that NC was making promises he knew he couldn't keep? why do you think he left when KL asked him to stay? what is happening now is a direct result of NC and his `vision` of getting into the champs league. yes we had some great players last season but with them and MP we still only finished 8th and a long way short of champs league. NC promised the players we would be competing for the title not just champs league, how many players would he have had to bring in to achieve that? how much would that have cost? no one wants the club to settle for mid-table safety every year, like Newcastle are happy to do with their owner not willing to invest but happy to sell, but we don't want to `do a poopey` and spend fortunes we haven't got! we finished 30pts away from mancy last year and 23pts away from 4th, did the players and some fans really think we could challenge that next season, even if we had kept all the player? why you think les reed is to blame for any of that I will never know, but then I suppose people always want to blame someone, look at the treatment some fans gave to fox and guly! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 28

3:29pm Sun 6 Jul 14

sasmike says...

take 25m and fcuk him off
take 25m and fcuk him off sasmike
  • Score: 6

3:30pm Sun 6 Jul 14

saintbobby says...

notaclue wrote:
LightwaterSaint wrote:
How does he know what the current ambitions are when he hasn't even had the courtesy to speak to the new manager? Hold firm Saints.
Interesting to note Koeman has spoken to Spiderman a week ago but not Lovren.
French courtesy, a gentleman perhaps!
[quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LightwaterSaint[/bold] wrote: How does he know what the current ambitions are when he hasn't even had the courtesy to speak to the new manager? Hold firm Saints.[/p][/quote]Interesting to note Koeman has spoken to Spiderman a week ago but not Lovren.[/p][/quote]French courtesy, a gentleman perhaps! saintbobby
  • Score: 6

3:32pm Sun 6 Jul 14

gristle says...

All of these millions of pounds of monopoly money floating around. The owner of SFC is a businesswoman, apparently not interested in sport. I wonder what she's thinking ?
All of these millions of pounds of monopoly money floating around. The owner of SFC is a businesswoman, apparently not interested in sport. I wonder what she's thinking ? gristle
  • Score: -14

3:40pm Sun 6 Jul 14

lowe esteem says...

cfr1967 wrote:
Class player but not an ounce personally. Stunned and disgusted at his total lack of respect for SFC. Hope he is offloaded soonest for as much as possible. I really do not want this dick playing for my club ever again!
There's better, and we can have the best of both.
Then the Long Distance Whinger from Lovrenpool can get stuffed.
Unless of course, the Croatian translation or Daily Mail has been mis-spouted.
[quote][p][bold]cfr1967[/bold] wrote: Class player but not an ounce personally. Stunned and disgusted at his total lack of respect for SFC. Hope he is offloaded soonest for as much as possible. I really do not want this dick playing for my club ever again![/p][/quote]There's better, and we can have the best of both. Then the Long Distance Whinger from Lovrenpool can get stuffed. Unless of course, the Croatian translation or Daily Mail has been mis-spouted. lowe esteem
  • Score: 4

3:40pm Sun 6 Jul 14

deepheat says...

Not all those players we sold are going to be successful at their new clubs
Brenda Rogers record in the transfer market has been dire since taking over at Liverpooooh. Fabio Borini (£10.5m), Joe Allen (£15m) , Iago Aspas (£7.7m), Tiago Ilori (£7m), and Mamadou Sakho (£19m) are all flops ar Anfield.

There is never any guarantee that even if we kept all our players and sold no one at all that we wouldn't be fighting for relegation next season and if we survived Shaw, Lallana, Lovren, Schneiderlin, and Lambert would have been snapped up for about £40m instead of £104m we are getting now. If you look at what happened to Spurs with the Bale money you can see how rushing to replace players can go wrong. I know we are not going to win the Premier League but with this money and the tv deals we can look forward to a long run in the EPL.
Not all those players we sold are going to be successful at their new clubs Brenda Rogers record in the transfer market has been dire since taking over at Liverpooooh. Fabio Borini (£10.5m), Joe Allen (£15m) , Iago Aspas (£7.7m), Tiago Ilori (£7m), and Mamadou Sakho (£19m) are all flops ar Anfield. There is never any guarantee that even if we kept all our players and sold no one at all that we wouldn't be fighting for relegation next season and if we survived Shaw, Lallana, Lovren, Schneiderlin, and Lambert would have been snapped up for about £40m instead of £104m we are getting now. If you look at what happened to Spurs with the Bale money you can see how rushing to replace players can go wrong. I know we are not going to win the Premier League but with this money and the tv deals we can look forward to a long run in the EPL. deepheat
  • Score: 13

3:41pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Saint Jinx says...

And whose fault is it that we are not in the Europa League - Pochettino and the players.

And what the f...k is it to do with him how much we bought him for and how much we want. The little s..t - he needs to grow up - just like Lallana.
And whose fault is it that we are not in the Europa League - Pochettino and the players. And what the f...k is it to do with him how much we bought him for and how much we want. The little s..t - he needs to grow up - just like Lallana. Saint Jinx
  • Score: 9

3:43pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Saint Jinx says...

And another point - surely there should be some rule in place restricting the number of players one club can sell to another. Three Saints players going to Liverpool - that cannot be right.
And another point - surely there should be some rule in place restricting the number of players one club can sell to another. Three Saints players going to Liverpool - that cannot be right. Saint Jinx
  • Score: 11

3:46pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Churchill Saint says...

Smuggins2 wrote:
The cat is out of the bag now. Cortese and Pochetino made unrealistic promises to the players. It would have meant spending loads of money which was not Cortese's to spend. Not surprising KL called a stop to it as too much power was vested in one person and decided to appoint a proper board . At the time KL said that she wanted him to stay but he decided to go. Lovren is being very unprofessional in the way he is behaving and is showing massive disrespect to the club. He should get his head back from Liverpool is the rest of him is still in Southampton. Does appointing a top class manager who is a class above the previous one lack of ambition? I think not.
Totally agree.

Lovren's story just does not stack up. Doesn't he see the hypocrisy in what he has said? He wants to leave Southampton because they haven't kept key players, so when they DO try to keep a key player by saying he is not for sale he throws his toys out of the pram. Saints have every right to say he's not for sale. If he wants to join Liverpool than he has to wait until the end of his contract or until Saints agree to sell him. Why does Lovren disrespect us fans by thinking we will believe his rubbish; I would have more respect for him if he said he could double his salary at Liverpool and he wants to take it.

The Board must now remain strong and not sell Lovren. That will show ambition.

Lovren has confirmed my strong suspicion that once NC and MP had decided to leave (a long time ago) they got into the heads of players and started to poison the club by slagging off Katerina and the Board. We are so much better off without NC and MP
[quote][p][bold]Smuggins2[/bold] wrote: The cat is out of the bag now. Cortese and Pochetino made unrealistic promises to the players. It would have meant spending loads of money which was not Cortese's to spend. Not surprising KL called a stop to it as too much power was vested in one person and decided to appoint a proper board . At the time KL said that she wanted him to stay but he decided to go. Lovren is being very unprofessional in the way he is behaving and is showing massive disrespect to the club. He should get his head back from Liverpool is the rest of him is still in Southampton. Does appointing a top class manager who is a class above the previous one lack of ambition? I think not.[/p][/quote]Totally agree. Lovren's story just does not stack up. Doesn't he see the hypocrisy in what he has said? He wants to leave Southampton because they haven't kept key players, so when they DO try to keep a key player by saying he is not for sale he throws his toys out of the pram. Saints have every right to say he's not for sale. If he wants to join Liverpool than he has to wait until the end of his contract or until Saints agree to sell him. Why does Lovren disrespect us fans by thinking we will believe his rubbish; I would have more respect for him if he said he could double his salary at Liverpool and he wants to take it. The Board must now remain strong and not sell Lovren. That will show ambition. Lovren has confirmed my strong suspicion that once NC and MP had decided to leave (a long time ago) they got into the heads of players and started to poison the club by slagging off Katerina and the Board. We are so much better off without NC and MP Churchill Saint
  • Score: 10

3:50pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

fred the red wrote:
The stripes wrote:
Let Lovren go.

I think the club has ambition, it's just not the same as NC's. I think NC and Katharina's were very far apart in their ideas.

I feel that NC is at the root of all this, selling a vision to players and fans that just wasn't approved by Katharina. If it was approved it would still be in force today (even with NC not here) and maybe even mopo and players would still be on board.

Having a vision that was obviously not backed up by the owner was useless and has proved to be very damaging in my opinion. I feel with the current set up we're in a much better and more realistic position. Ambitions and visions are much more in line with what can be financially supported. I feel Koeman has been sold the correct vision, whatever it is, by the current board and he's not under any illusion. I think he's the kind of guy we can rely on to get us through this no matter who have left because they feel we have no ambition.

He will get us players that have bought into a vision that is supported by all.
There is a lot of sense in this argument. At the start and end of the day it is the one who pays who calls the tune and that was not NC
I'm not sure that Cortese's vision was" useless",as it has,(up until this point), brought the club nothing but unqualified success,but I agree that we may have to adjust our personal aspirations for the club under the present board,but that doesn't necessarily mean that we won't get some sort of success.
[quote][p][bold]fred the red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The stripes[/bold] wrote: Let Lovren go. I think the club has ambition, it's just not the same as NC's. I think NC and Katharina's were very far apart in their ideas. I feel that NC is at the root of all this, selling a vision to players and fans that just wasn't approved by Katharina. If it was approved it would still be in force today (even with NC not here) and maybe even mopo and players would still be on board. Having a vision that was obviously not backed up by the owner was useless and has proved to be very damaging in my opinion. I feel with the current set up we're in a much better and more realistic position. Ambitions and visions are much more in line with what can be financially supported. I feel Koeman has been sold the correct vision, whatever it is, by the current board and he's not under any illusion. I think he's the kind of guy we can rely on to get us through this no matter who have left because they feel we have no ambition. He will get us players that have bought into a vision that is supported by all.[/p][/quote]There is a lot of sense in this argument. At the start and end of the day it is the one who pays who calls the tune and that was not NC[/p][/quote]I'm not sure that Cortese's vision was" useless",as it has,(up until this point), brought the club nothing but unqualified success,but I agree that we may have to adjust our personal aspirations for the club under the present board,but that doesn't necessarily mean that we won't get some sort of success. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 4

3:50pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

When Ralph made his first, I think, announcement, he talked about debts, which I took mostly to be a dig at NC, and he also talked about us emulating the Green Bay Packers, which I believe is relatively successful small town American football team. He clearly signalled a change in our ambitions in that we weren't going to risk doing a poopey in order to get into the CL but I do not think he meant that we had given up on it completely.

i think it would have been wonderful if we had succeeded with NC's dream but, if we failed, we could once again find find ourselves in an even darker place than the one we find ourselves in now.
When Ralph made his first, I think, announcement, he talked about debts, which I took mostly to be a dig at NC, and he also talked about us emulating the Green Bay Packers, which I believe is relatively successful small town American football team. He clearly signalled a change in our ambitions in that we weren't going to risk doing a poopey in order to get into the CL but I do not think he meant that we had given up on it completely. i think it would have been wonderful if we had succeeded with NC's dream but, if we failed, we could once again find find ourselves in an even darker place than the one we find ourselves in now. Rising_Son
  • Score: 8

3:53pm Sun 6 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

With an estimated current market value £25 - £30 MILLION Price Tag - and closer to £30 Million LOVREN is casting a dark shadow and is ready to JOIN THE WANTAWAY PLAYERS who should hold their heads in shame ....

SFC HALL OF SHAME

lambert - huffed and puffed mid season as he manoevured for a Wet Spam move. Joined the Mutiny led by JUDAS and syphoned off his mates to LFC #SHAME ON YOU

shaw - a chelski supporter - but WANTAWAY shaw wanted loadsamoney like his pin up chambo and signed for non CL football with manure.. Zero loyalty #SHAME ON YOU

bighead lala - big time charlie and premadonna - mates with lambert and could and would not sign for fans end of Season #SHAME ON YOU

SFC have a sizeable amount of Money and can use this to really make a difference with signing Players - Paying off existing Debt - and building at ST MARY'S to stick the Away Fans - so as with AWAY GAMES - we DOMIUNATE AT HOME. COYR+WS
With an estimated current market value £25 - £30 MILLION Price Tag - and closer to £30 Million LOVREN is casting a dark shadow and is ready to JOIN THE WANTAWAY PLAYERS who should hold their heads in shame .... SFC HALL OF SHAME lambert - huffed and puffed mid season as he manoevured for a Wet Spam move. Joined the Mutiny led by JUDAS and syphoned off his mates to LFC #SHAME ON YOU shaw - a chelski supporter - but WANTAWAY shaw wanted loadsamoney like his pin up chambo and signed for non CL football with manure.. Zero loyalty #SHAME ON YOU bighead lala - big time charlie and premadonna - mates with lambert and could and would not sign for fans end of Season #SHAME ON YOU SFC have a sizeable amount of Money and can use this to really make a difference with signing Players - Paying off existing Debt - and building at ST MARY'S to stick the Away Fans - so as with AWAY GAMES - we DOMIUNATE AT HOME. COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 4

4:00pm Sun 6 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Plenty to do today to help forget the problems, watching the Waddington Air Show on a link, listening to T20 Hampshire on another, Watched the GP Hamilton win on TV, and the occasional look at the Tennis, who need football grief?
Plenty to do today to help forget the problems, watching the Waddington Air Show on a link, listening to T20 Hampshire on another, Watched the GP Hamilton win on TV, and the occasional look at the Tennis, who need football grief? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

4:02pm Sun 6 Jul 14

adams74 says...

SaintSteve76 wrote:
When are some people going to start realising that the ambition is not as high as when cortese was at the club? I for one completely believe Lovren when he said he would have gladly stayed at the club if they had ambitions and kept key players. Why the mass exodus and players suddenly wanting to leave. Unfortunately the lack of ambition is obvious.
Im sorry mate but your comment is totally wrong.....cortese made promises to new players of £100m investment this season to get into champions league but alas DIDNT ASK THE F**ING OWNER IF HE COULD SPEND HER MONEY FIRST!!!!.......I HAVE IT ON GOOD AUTHORITY FROM NO LESS THAN 4 PEOPLE AT ST MARYS WHO IF THEY WERE ALLOWED TOO, WOULD LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT CORTESE WAS SACKED HE DIDNT RESIGN THE OWNER SACKED HIM!!!!!.......mopo was a good coach not brilliant just good cortese was good but got far too big headed for his own good.....the way the club will now be run is much more viable and success will come.....let the one season wonders leave replace with long term players and hey ho we,ll get where keoman said we will be inside of 2years IE EUROPE and perhaps a CUP win.
[quote][p][bold]SaintSteve76[/bold] wrote: When are some people going to start realising that the ambition is not as high as when cortese was at the club? I for one completely believe Lovren when he said he would have gladly stayed at the club if they had ambitions and kept key players. Why the mass exodus and players suddenly wanting to leave. Unfortunately the lack of ambition is obvious.[/p][/quote]Im sorry mate but your comment is totally wrong.....cortese made promises to new players of £100m investment this season to get into champions league but alas DIDNT ASK THE F**ING OWNER IF HE COULD SPEND HER MONEY FIRST!!!!.......I HAVE IT ON GOOD AUTHORITY FROM NO LESS THAN 4 PEOPLE AT ST MARYS WHO IF THEY WERE ALLOWED TOO, WOULD LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT CORTESE WAS SACKED HE DIDNT RESIGN THE OWNER SACKED HIM!!!!!.......mopo was a good coach not brilliant just good cortese was good but got far too big headed for his own good.....the way the club will now be run is much more viable and success will come.....let the one season wonders leave replace with long term players and hey ho we,ll get where keoman said we will be inside of 2years IE EUROPE and perhaps a CUP win. adams74
  • Score: 18

4:03pm Sun 6 Jul 14

sparky130a says...

Now the lead story on sky sports website...

Whatever everyones view on the board they have to do something,anything to halt this relentless onslaught.

I actually think we'll have a good season but i'm sick of all this now. The current tact of keeping quiet just isn't working. This latest outburst from a player can't go unanswered. As for Lovren himself, i couldn't ever cheer the bloke on again, the lines been crossed.
Now the lead story on sky sports website... Whatever everyones view on the board they have to do something,anything to halt this relentless onslaught. I actually think we'll have a good season but i'm sick of all this now. The current tact of keeping quiet just isn't working. This latest outburst from a player can't go unanswered. As for Lovren himself, i couldn't ever cheer the bloke on again, the lines been crossed. sparky130a
  • Score: 4

4:04pm Sun 6 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

My 'heart' (what there is of it) is already at Liverpool…can anyone tell me of a more skuntish remark from a player, what on earth has this club done to deservre this car crash…

Lovren, you are a 'orrible' ungrateful batsard…however good, bad or plain incompetant the board may be we who pay your wages have done nothing wrong….funnily enough I believe our unsung heroes, Cork, Fonte, Davies and of course Kelvin must be horrified at this state of affairs.

Whilts KL does not 'have' to answer to anyone it would be very wise to tell us why these players are all leaving..if it is not the boards fault then why the exodus, inform the supporters of how these moves were agitated for then they (the board) will have our support not opprobrium, unless the players are telling the truth which would of course explain the silence.
My 'heart' (what there is of it) is already at Liverpool…can anyone tell me of a more skuntish remark from a player, what on earth has this club done to deservre this car crash… Lovren, you are a 'orrible' ungrateful batsard…however good, bad or plain incompetant the board may be we who pay your wages have done nothing wrong….funnily enough I believe our unsung heroes, Cork, Fonte, Davies and of course Kelvin must be horrified at this state of affairs. Whilts KL does not 'have' to answer to anyone it would be very wise to tell us why these players are all leaving..if it is not the boards fault then why the exodus, inform the supporters of how these moves were agitated for then they (the board) will have our support not opprobrium, unless the players are telling the truth which would of course explain the silence. warrens 76
  • Score: 4

4:05pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

A bit grim up North but Bettys Hot Pot is Swell just like Saints!
A bit grim up North but Bettys Hot Pot is Swell just like Saints! Fatty x Ford Worker
  • Score: 1

4:07pm Sun 6 Jul 14

hugh123 says...

I haven't read all the blogs - if someone else has said this I'm sorry. Let's send his head to Liverpool and the rest of him a couple of days later.
I haven't read all the blogs - if someone else has said this I'm sorry. Let's send his head to Liverpool and the rest of him a couple of days later. hugh123
  • Score: 8

4:08pm Sun 6 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

hugh123 wrote:
I haven't read all the blogs - if someone else has said this I'm sorry. Let's send his head to Liverpool and the rest of him a couple of days later.
I was going to say if NC was still here his head might have been in Liverpool the rest of the bodywould have been floating down the Mersey! But I thought that would be in bad taste!
[quote][p][bold]hugh123[/bold] wrote: I haven't read all the blogs - if someone else has said this I'm sorry. Let's send his head to Liverpool and the rest of him a couple of days later.[/p][/quote]I was going to say if NC was still here his head might have been in Liverpool the rest of the bodywould have been floating down the Mersey! But I thought that would be in bad taste! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 4

4:09pm Sun 6 Jul 14

lowe esteem says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
fred the red wrote:
The stripes wrote:
Let Lovren go.

I think the club has ambition, it's just not the same as NC's. I think NC and Katharina's were very far apart in their ideas.

I feel that NC is at the root of all this, selling a vision to players and fans that just wasn't approved by Katharina. If it was approved it would still be in force today (even with NC not here) and maybe even mopo and players would still be on board.

Having a vision that was obviously not backed up by the owner was useless and has proved to be very damaging in my opinion. I feel with the current set up we're in a much better and more realistic position. Ambitions and visions are much more in line with what can be financially supported. I feel Koeman has been sold the correct vision, whatever it is, by the current board and he's not under any illusion. I think he's the kind of guy we can rely on to get us through this no matter who have left because they feel we have no ambition.

He will get us players that have bought into a vision that is supported by all.
There is a lot of sense in this argument. At the start and end of the day it is the one who pays who calls the tune and that was not NC
I'm not sure that Cortese's vision was" useless",as it has,(up until this point), brought the club nothing but unqualified success,but I agree that we may have to adjust our personal aspirations for the club under the present board,but that doesn't necessarily mean that we won't get some sort of success.
I think you meant "bought" not "brought"- and there's the crux, when it comes right down to it, where do you want to be?
Personally I want to see a stable, thriving and successful club for our children to follow, and not at any cost, that's the road to nowhere, and that's where our mutineers are headed.
We've not imploded yet, and this is Saints, where we prove the doubters wrong.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fred the red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The stripes[/bold] wrote: Let Lovren go. I think the club has ambition, it's just not the same as NC's. I think NC and Katharina's were very far apart in their ideas. I feel that NC is at the root of all this, selling a vision to players and fans that just wasn't approved by Katharina. If it was approved it would still be in force today (even with NC not here) and maybe even mopo and players would still be on board. Having a vision that was obviously not backed up by the owner was useless and has proved to be very damaging in my opinion. I feel with the current set up we're in a much better and more realistic position. Ambitions and visions are much more in line with what can be financially supported. I feel Koeman has been sold the correct vision, whatever it is, by the current board and he's not under any illusion. I think he's the kind of guy we can rely on to get us through this no matter who have left because they feel we have no ambition. He will get us players that have bought into a vision that is supported by all.[/p][/quote]There is a lot of sense in this argument. At the start and end of the day it is the one who pays who calls the tune and that was not NC[/p][/quote]I'm not sure that Cortese's vision was" useless",as it has,(up until this point), brought the club nothing but unqualified success,but I agree that we may have to adjust our personal aspirations for the club under the present board,but that doesn't necessarily mean that we won't get some sort of success.[/p][/quote]I think you meant "bought" not "brought"- and there's the crux, when it comes right down to it, where do you want to be? Personally I want to see a stable, thriving and successful club for our children to follow, and not at any cost, that's the road to nowhere, and that's where our mutineers are headed. We've not imploded yet, and this is Saints, where we prove the doubters wrong. lowe esteem
  • Score: 7

4:12pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

lowe esteem wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fred the red wrote:
The stripes wrote:
Let Lovren go.

I think the club has ambition, it's just not the same as NC's. I think NC and Katharina's were very far apart in their ideas.

I feel that NC is at the root of all this, selling a vision to players and fans that just wasn't approved by Katharina. If it was approved it would still be in force today (even with NC not here) and maybe even mopo and players would still be on board.

Having a vision that was obviously not backed up by the owner was useless and has proved to be very damaging in my opinion. I feel with the current set up we're in a much better and more realistic position. Ambitions and visions are much more in line with what can be financially supported. I feel Koeman has been sold the correct vision, whatever it is, by the current board and he's not under any illusion. I think he's the kind of guy we can rely on to get us through this no matter who have left because they feel we have no ambition.

He will get us players that have bought into a vision that is supported by all.
There is a lot of sense in this argument. At the start and end of the day it is the one who pays who calls the tune and that was not NC
I'm not sure that Cortese's vision was" useless",as it has,(up until this point), brought the club nothing but unqualified success,but I agree that we may have to adjust our personal aspirations for the club under the present board,but that doesn't necessarily mean that we won't get some sort of success.
I think you meant "bought" not "brought"- and there's the crux, when it comes right down to it, where do you want to be?
Personally I want to see a stable, thriving and successful club for our children to follow, and not at any cost, that's the road to nowhere, and that's where our mutineers are headed.
We've not imploded yet, and this is Saints, where we prove the doubters wrong.
Here's to that LE...here's to that!
[quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fred the red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The stripes[/bold] wrote: Let Lovren go. I think the club has ambition, it's just not the same as NC's. I think NC and Katharina's were very far apart in their ideas. I feel that NC is at the root of all this, selling a vision to players and fans that just wasn't approved by Katharina. If it was approved it would still be in force today (even with NC not here) and maybe even mopo and players would still be on board. Having a vision that was obviously not backed up by the owner was useless and has proved to be very damaging in my opinion. I feel with the current set up we're in a much better and more realistic position. Ambitions and visions are much more in line with what can be financially supported. I feel Koeman has been sold the correct vision, whatever it is, by the current board and he's not under any illusion. I think he's the kind of guy we can rely on to get us through this no matter who have left because they feel we have no ambition. He will get us players that have bought into a vision that is supported by all.[/p][/quote]There is a lot of sense in this argument. At the start and end of the day it is the one who pays who calls the tune and that was not NC[/p][/quote]I'm not sure that Cortese's vision was" useless",as it has,(up until this point), brought the club nothing but unqualified success,but I agree that we may have to adjust our personal aspirations for the club under the present board,but that doesn't necessarily mean that we won't get some sort of success.[/p][/quote]I think you meant "bought" not "brought"- and there's the crux, when it comes right down to it, where do you want to be? Personally I want to see a stable, thriving and successful club for our children to follow, and not at any cost, that's the road to nowhere, and that's where our mutineers are headed. We've not imploded yet, and this is Saints, where we prove the doubters wrong.[/p][/quote]Here's to that LE...here's to that! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 3

4:14pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

warrens 76 wrote:
My 'heart' (what there is of it) is already at Liverpool…can anyone tell me of a more skuntish remark from a player, what on earth has this club done to deservre this car crash…

Lovren, you are a 'orrible' ungrateful batsard…however good, bad or plain incompetant the board may be we who pay your wages have done nothing wrong….funnily enough I believe our unsung heroes, Cork, Fonte, Davies and of course Kelvin must be horrified at this state of affairs.

Whilts KL does not 'have' to answer to anyone it would be very wise to tell us why these players are all leaving..if it is not the boards fault then why the exodus, inform the supporters of how these moves were agitated for then they (the board) will have our support not opprobrium, unless the players are telling the truth which would of course explain the silence.
I hope they also tell their side of the story, but I think it would be unreasonable to expect them to tell it soon.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: My 'heart' (what there is of it) is already at Liverpool…can anyone tell me of a more skuntish remark from a player, what on earth has this club done to deservre this car crash… Lovren, you are a 'orrible' ungrateful batsard…however good, bad or plain incompetant the board may be we who pay your wages have done nothing wrong….funnily enough I believe our unsung heroes, Cork, Fonte, Davies and of course Kelvin must be horrified at this state of affairs. Whilts KL does not 'have' to answer to anyone it would be very wise to tell us why these players are all leaving..if it is not the boards fault then why the exodus, inform the supporters of how these moves were agitated for then they (the board) will have our support not opprobrium, unless the players are telling the truth which would of course explain the silence.[/p][/quote]I hope they also tell their side of the story, but I think it would be unreasonable to expect them to tell it soon. Rising_Son
  • Score: 0

4:17pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Confucious says...

I'm trying to think of a word to describe Lovren, but just can't manage it.

I think I'll see if I can find one using some of the letters in the word coconut.
I'm trying to think of a word to describe Lovren, but just can't manage it. I think I'll see if I can find one using some of the letters in the word coconut. Confucious
  • Score: 15

4:18pm Sun 6 Jul 14

mickey01 says...

cant blame him ! who knows what went on behind the scenes and i knew that the day n c left then it would all go pear shaped thereafter and i say that any player who wants to go then i say let em .
he seems honest in his opinion of what has happened and i feel that if things were different then maybe no player would have left this club
cant blame him ! who knows what went on behind the scenes and i knew that the day n c left then it would all go pear shaped thereafter and i say that any player who wants to go then i say let em . he seems honest in his opinion of what has happened and i feel that if things were different then maybe no player would have left this club mickey01
  • Score: -10

4:19pm Sun 6 Jul 14

richard903 says...

For me the important facts in Dejans words are the ones where he says Potty Chino told him the board dont want CL or europe anymore ! I dont think that is true, all clubs want those things. So at last we know who has poisoned the minds of our stars but why? The board did not show lack of ambition by selling our stars , the players gave them no choice just like you are giving them no choice Dejan! YOU SIGNED YOUR CONTRACT STICK TO IT AND BEHAVE LIKE AN ADULT
For me the important facts in Dejans words are the ones where he says Potty Chino told him the board dont want CL or europe anymore ! I dont think that is true, all clubs want those things. So at last we know who has poisoned the minds of our stars but why? The board did not show lack of ambition by selling our stars , the players gave them no choice just like you are giving them no choice Dejan! YOU SIGNED YOUR CONTRACT STICK TO IT AND BEHAVE LIKE AN ADULT richard903
  • Score: 10

4:21pm Sun 6 Jul 14

mickey01 says...

nuttysaint wrote:
Funny how no1 else has come out and said what's goin on behind scene, maybe this is his way of forcing his way out by making up some ****! No ambition? We've appointed a world famous manager in Koeman, and he's not even giving us time to show who we are going to buy. Cheap cheao kop out and why do the **** keep sayin bout Liverpool giving them chills whilst still playin for us.Kinda contradicted himself to buy sayin he got chills when heard ynwa and said he wanted to hear that week in week and then went on to say he would never look to leave saints if we showed ambition. So lovren which one is it lol
maybe he is the first to speak the truth !!
if i joined a company who sold themselves to me about the future and then did not deliver then i would probably look elsewhere myself
[quote][p][bold]nuttysaint[/bold] wrote: Funny how no1 else has come out and said what's goin on behind scene, maybe this is his way of forcing his way out by making up some ****! No ambition? We've appointed a world famous manager in Koeman, and he's not even giving us time to show who we are going to buy. Cheap cheao kop out and why do the **** keep sayin bout Liverpool giving them chills whilst still playin for us.Kinda contradicted himself to buy sayin he got chills when heard ynwa and said he wanted to hear that week in week and then went on to say he would never look to leave saints if we showed ambition. So lovren which one is it lol[/p][/quote]maybe he is the first to speak the truth !! if i joined a company who sold themselves to me about the future and then did not deliver then i would probably look elsewhere myself mickey01
  • Score: -5

4:24pm Sun 6 Jul 14

mickey01 says...

TGodSFC wrote:
What a disrespectful little child, you can't do or say things like this about your employer, he thinks he's bigger than the club by the sounds of it. I agree that we should punish him and show who's the boss. Don't let the players run the club! Lovern sounds like a spoilt child.
if my employer went back on their word then i would do the same its not being a child its being human
[quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: What a disrespectful little child, you can't do or say things like this about your employer, he thinks he's bigger than the club by the sounds of it. I agree that we should punish him and show who's the boss. Don't let the players run the club! Lovern sounds like a spoilt child.[/p][/quote]if my employer went back on their word then i would do the same its not being a child its being human mickey01
  • Score: -4

4:25pm Sun 6 Jul 14

mickey01 says...

adams74 wrote:
SaintSteve76 wrote:
When are some people going to start realising that the ambition is not as high as when cortese was at the club? I for one completely believe Lovren when he said he would have gladly stayed at the club if they had ambitions and kept key players. Why the mass exodus and players suddenly wanting to leave. Unfortunately the lack of ambition is obvious.
Im sorry mate but your comment is totally wrong.....cortese made promises to new players of £100m investment this season to get into champions league but alas DIDNT ASK THE F**ING OWNER IF HE COULD SPEND HER MONEY FIRST!!!!.......I HAVE IT ON GOOD AUTHORITY FROM NO LESS THAN 4 PEOPLE AT ST MARYS WHO IF THEY WERE ALLOWED TOO, WOULD LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT CORTESE WAS SACKED HE DIDNT RESIGN THE OWNER SACKED HIM!!!!!.......mopo was a good coach not brilliant just good cortese was good but got far too big headed for his own good.....the way the club will now be run is much more viable and success will come.....let the one season wonders leave replace with long term players and hey ho we,ll get where keoman said we will be inside of 2years IE EUROPE and perhaps a CUP win.
like west ham ???
[quote][p][bold]adams74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintSteve76[/bold] wrote: When are some people going to start realising that the ambition is not as high as when cortese was at the club? I for one completely believe Lovren when he said he would have gladly stayed at the club if they had ambitions and kept key players. Why the mass exodus and players suddenly wanting to leave. Unfortunately the lack of ambition is obvious.[/p][/quote]Im sorry mate but your comment is totally wrong.....cortese made promises to new players of £100m investment this season to get into champions league but alas DIDNT ASK THE F**ING OWNER IF HE COULD SPEND HER MONEY FIRST!!!!.......I HAVE IT ON GOOD AUTHORITY FROM NO LESS THAN 4 PEOPLE AT ST MARYS WHO IF THEY WERE ALLOWED TOO, WOULD LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT CORTESE WAS SACKED HE DIDNT RESIGN THE OWNER SACKED HIM!!!!!.......mopo was a good coach not brilliant just good cortese was good but got far too big headed for his own good.....the way the club will now be run is much more viable and success will come.....let the one season wonders leave replace with long term players and hey ho we,ll get where keoman said we will be inside of 2years IE EUROPE and perhaps a CUP win.[/p][/quote]like west ham ??? mickey01
  • Score: -2

4:28pm Sun 6 Jul 14

rightway says...

Remember,
it's only a game
Remember, it's only a game rightway
  • Score: 1

4:32pm Sun 6 Jul 14

lowe esteem says...

George4th wrote:
singapore saint84 wrote:
Of all the signings in the world... i want cortese back!!!
Cortese leaving sparked a domino affect - it was always going to be the case - he was the glue and the ambition, and the reason everyone else bought into it.

As soon as he left, the "togetherness" left with him.................

.....

Methinks Ms Liebherr and family listened to business advice rather than footballing advice!
(Who can blame them? From an out and out business point of view, they are making loads of money, both in player sale value and football club value!)
Still don't think this fully explains what has got into these players heads, they were on the cusp of something, and there is no reason why that could not continue, but they have apparently only been partly educated to a team ethic, and most Saints fans will see that it's greed that has spoiled them, methinks mostly they will live to regret what they have just done. Only hope that the lesson is not learnt at the expense of this wonderful football club and it's long suffering fans.
Saints Forever.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]singapore saint84[/bold] wrote: Of all the signings in the world... i want cortese back!!![/p][/quote]Cortese leaving sparked a domino affect - it was always going to be the case - he was the glue and the ambition, and the reason everyone else bought into it. As soon as he left, the "togetherness" left with him................. ..... Methinks Ms Liebherr and family listened to business advice rather than footballing advice! (Who can blame them? From an out and out business point of view, they are making loads of money, both in player sale value and football club value!)[/p][/quote]Still don't think this fully explains what has got into these players heads, they were on the cusp of something, and there is no reason why that could not continue, but they have apparently only been partly educated to a team ethic, and most Saints fans will see that it's greed that has spoiled them, methinks mostly they will live to regret what they have just done. Only hope that the lesson is not learnt at the expense of this wonderful football club and it's long suffering fans. Saints Forever. lowe esteem
  • Score: 2

4:32pm Sun 6 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

mickey01 wrote:
nuttysaint wrote:
Funny how no1 else has come out and said what's goin on behind scene, maybe this is his way of forcing his way out by making up some ****! No ambition? We've appointed a world famous manager in Koeman, and he's not even giving us time to show who we are going to buy. Cheap cheao kop out and why do the **** keep sayin bout Liverpool giving them chills whilst still playin for us.Kinda contradicted himself to buy sayin he got chills when heard ynwa and said he wanted to hear that week in week and then went on to say he would never look to leave saints if we showed ambition. So lovren which one is it lol
maybe he is the first to speak the truth !!
if i joined a company who sold themselves to me about the future and then did not deliver then i would probably look elsewhere myself
Or sue for breach of promise?
[quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nuttysaint[/bold] wrote: Funny how no1 else has come out and said what's goin on behind scene, maybe this is his way of forcing his way out by making up some ****! No ambition? We've appointed a world famous manager in Koeman, and he's not even giving us time to show who we are going to buy. Cheap cheao kop out and why do the **** keep sayin bout Liverpool giving them chills whilst still playin for us.Kinda contradicted himself to buy sayin he got chills when heard ynwa and said he wanted to hear that week in week and then went on to say he would never look to leave saints if we showed ambition. So lovren which one is it lol[/p][/quote]maybe he is the first to speak the truth !! if i joined a company who sold themselves to me about the future and then did not deliver then i would probably look elsewhere myself[/p][/quote]Or sue for breach of promise? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -4

4:33pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

rightway wrote:
Remember,
it's only a game
It's dreams
it's happiness
it's sadness
it's ups
it's downs
it's love
it's hate
it's loyalty
it's disloyalty
it's boom
it's bust
it's football
and it's business
[quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote: Remember, it's only a game[/p][/quote]It's dreams it's happiness it's sadness it's ups it's downs it's love it's hate it's loyalty it's disloyalty it's boom it's bust it's football and it's business Rising_Son
  • Score: 2

4:34pm Sun 6 Jul 14

lowe esteem says...

mickey01 wrote:
adams74 wrote:
SaintSteve76 wrote:
When are some people going to start realising that the ambition is not as high as when cortese was at the club? I for one completely believe Lovren when he said he would have gladly stayed at the club if they had ambitions and kept key players. Why the mass exodus and players suddenly wanting to leave. Unfortunately the lack of ambition is obvious.
Im sorry mate but your comment is totally wrong.....cortese made promises to new players of £100m investment this season to get into champions league but alas DIDNT ASK THE F**ING OWNER IF HE COULD SPEND HER MONEY FIRST!!!!.......I HAVE IT ON GOOD AUTHORITY FROM NO LESS THAN 4 PEOPLE AT ST MARYS WHO IF THEY WERE ALLOWED TOO, WOULD LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT CORTESE WAS SACKED HE DIDNT RESIGN THE OWNER SACKED HIM!!!!!.......mopo was a good coach not brilliant just good cortese was good but got far too big headed for his own good.....the way the club will now be run is much more viable and success will come.....let the one season wonders leave replace with long term players and hey ho we,ll get where keoman said we will be inside of 2years IE EUROPE and perhaps a CUP win.
like west ham ???
Like Saints More.
[quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adams74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintSteve76[/bold] wrote: When are some people going to start realising that the ambition is not as high as when cortese was at the club? I for one completely believe Lovren when he said he would have gladly stayed at the club if they had ambitions and kept key players. Why the mass exodus and players suddenly wanting to leave. Unfortunately the lack of ambition is obvious.[/p][/quote]Im sorry mate but your comment is totally wrong.....cortese made promises to new players of £100m investment this season to get into champions league but alas DIDNT ASK THE F**ING OWNER IF HE COULD SPEND HER MONEY FIRST!!!!.......I HAVE IT ON GOOD AUTHORITY FROM NO LESS THAN 4 PEOPLE AT ST MARYS WHO IF THEY WERE ALLOWED TOO, WOULD LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT CORTESE WAS SACKED HE DIDNT RESIGN THE OWNER SACKED HIM!!!!!.......mopo was a good coach not brilliant just good cortese was good but got far too big headed for his own good.....the way the club will now be run is much more viable and success will come.....let the one season wonders leave replace with long term players and hey ho we,ll get where keoman said we will be inside of 2years IE EUROPE and perhaps a CUP win.[/p][/quote]like west ham ???[/p][/quote]Like Saints More. lowe esteem
  • Score: 1

4:36pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

lowe esteem wrote:
mickey01 wrote:
adams74 wrote:
SaintSteve76 wrote:
When are some people going to start realising that the ambition is not as high as when cortese was at the club? I for one completely believe Lovren when he said he would have gladly stayed at the club if they had ambitions and kept key players. Why the mass exodus and players suddenly wanting to leave. Unfortunately the lack of ambition is obvious.
Im sorry mate but your comment is totally wrong.....cortese made promises to new players of £100m investment this season to get into champions league but alas DIDNT ASK THE F**ING OWNER IF HE COULD SPEND HER MONEY FIRST!!!!.......I HAVE IT ON GOOD AUTHORITY FROM NO LESS THAN 4 PEOPLE AT ST MARYS WHO IF THEY WERE ALLOWED TOO, WOULD LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT CORTESE WAS SACKED HE DIDNT RESIGN THE OWNER SACKED HIM!!!!!.......mopo was a good coach not brilliant just good cortese was good but got far too big headed for his own good.....the way the club will now be run is much more viable and success will come.....let the one season wonders leave replace with long term players and hey ho we,ll get where keoman said we will be inside of 2years IE EUROPE and perhaps a CUP win.
like west ham ???
Like Saints More.
Infinitely more.
[quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adams74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintSteve76[/bold] wrote: When are some people going to start realising that the ambition is not as high as when cortese was at the club? I for one completely believe Lovren when he said he would have gladly stayed at the club if they had ambitions and kept key players. Why the mass exodus and players suddenly wanting to leave. Unfortunately the lack of ambition is obvious.[/p][/quote]Im sorry mate but your comment is totally wrong.....cortese made promises to new players of £100m investment this season to get into champions league but alas DIDNT ASK THE F**ING OWNER IF HE COULD SPEND HER MONEY FIRST!!!!.......I HAVE IT ON GOOD AUTHORITY FROM NO LESS THAN 4 PEOPLE AT ST MARYS WHO IF THEY WERE ALLOWED TOO, WOULD LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT CORTESE WAS SACKED HE DIDNT RESIGN THE OWNER SACKED HIM!!!!!.......mopo was a good coach not brilliant just good cortese was good but got far too big headed for his own good.....the way the club will now be run is much more viable and success will come.....let the one season wonders leave replace with long term players and hey ho we,ll get where keoman said we will be inside of 2years IE EUROPE and perhaps a CUP win.[/p][/quote]like west ham ???[/p][/quote]Like Saints More.[/p][/quote]Infinitely more. Rising_Son
  • Score: 1

4:38pm Sun 6 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

rightway wrote:
Remember,
it's only a game
At this moment not a fair game?
[quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote: Remember, it's only a game[/p][/quote]At this moment not a fair game? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

4:40pm Sun 6 Jul 14

spratt says...

IOAD wrote:
Well he might as well have done a big turd on the centre-spot, really. The 'ambition' line is just a convenient narrative, created by MP, and followed by a bunch of greedy mercenaries. Let them go. If this is ambition, then frankly, ambition can go an fuckitself.
I have to agree on this one. Nothing surprises me any more with some of the comments on this site. All of a sudden "lack of ambition" has become the "buzz words" of the day and Cortese the hero of the hour. Were any of these sentiments being expressed in the euphoria at the end of the season. Finishing eight in the premier league. We were over the moon. We now have a top quality manager in place far superior than MP, a 100 Million pound plus kitty to buy new players, and we lack ambition? This is just a convenient cover for greedy self opinionated players to get more money. And can come someone kindly explain just exactly how this "lack of ambition" should be rectified by the club?
[quote][p][bold]IOAD[/bold] wrote: Well he might as well have done a big turd on the centre-spot, really. The 'ambition' line is just a convenient narrative, created by MP, and followed by a bunch of greedy mercenaries. Let them go. If this is ambition, then frankly, ambition can go an fuckitself.[/p][/quote]I have to agree on this one. Nothing surprises me any more with some of the comments on this site. All of a sudden "lack of ambition" has become the "buzz words" of the day and Cortese the hero of the hour. Were any of these sentiments being expressed in the euphoria at the end of the season. Finishing eight in the premier league. We were over the moon. We now have a top quality manager in place far superior than MP, a 100 Million pound plus kitty to buy new players, and we lack ambition? This is just a convenient cover for greedy self opinionated players to get more money. And can come someone kindly explain just exactly how this "lack of ambition" should be rectified by the club? spratt
  • Score: 7

4:48pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Clever Dick says...

SaintSteve76 wrote:
When are some people going to start realising that the ambition is not as high as when cortese was at the club? I for one completely believe Lovren when he said he would have gladly stayed at the club if they had ambitions and kept key players. Why the mass exodus and players suddenly wanting to leave. Unfortunately the lack of ambition is obvious.
You might believe him. I don't. The fact is that it's all about money. If their great ambition is to play Champions League why did Lovren leave Lyon and and why did Wanyama leave Celtic? Both are Champions League clubs but they came to us because we pay more. None of our players are wanted by the biggest clubs who actually have a chance to win it. It's all bu11sh1t.
[quote][p][bold]SaintSteve76[/bold] wrote: When are some people going to start realising that the ambition is not as high as when cortese was at the club? I for one completely believe Lovren when he said he would have gladly stayed at the club if they had ambitions and kept key players. Why the mass exodus and players suddenly wanting to leave. Unfortunately the lack of ambition is obvious.[/p][/quote]You might believe him. I don't. The fact is that it's all about money. If their great ambition is to play Champions League why did Lovren leave Lyon and and why did Wanyama leave Celtic? Both are Champions League clubs but they came to us because we pay more. None of our players are wanted by the biggest clubs who actually have a chance to win it. It's all bu11sh1t. Clever Dick
  • Score: 6

4:50pm Sun 6 Jul 14

durhamsaint87 says...

Sheffieldsaint wrote:
Could someone please tell me what they mean by a lack of ambition?Is our ambition not to do well and ultimately win something or qualify for Europe. Is Potochino the only one who could have delivered this? It's a load of nonsense and Lovren and the rest of the money grabbing mercenaries are lying if they say anything different. Get shot and good riddance!
Lovren says we have no ambition, yet it was MoPo who lacked this, in the cups he practically put the second team out, was it his plan to leave and thus destabilize our team to the point where these so called loyal players who have signed long contracts want to leave. Or, is it just more simply money? I've a feeling it is that simple money and greed. It shows ambition to go out and get a manager who has played as well as managed top teams in europe. To say your head is already at drivilpool without even speaking to RK shows utter disrespect for him, the team and of course us, the supporters. The only way back for Lovren is to stay and apologize. However, I don't think he will. Make him pay for three years on his contract, then, hold out for the £27,000,000 asked for. If the club does not then it is leaving itself wide open to any club wanting to poach our staff and if we are not careful poopy will be after our tea lady. Although that won't happen they could not even cover the cost of her going down to that other place along the coast for a medical.
Whatever happens we will be a strong team when we show drivilpool it made no difference who the steal from us. COYR's.
[quote][p][bold]Sheffieldsaint[/bold] wrote: Could someone please tell me what they mean by a lack of ambition?Is our ambition not to do well and ultimately win something or qualify for Europe. Is Potochino the only one who could have delivered this? It's a load of nonsense and Lovren and the rest of the money grabbing mercenaries are lying if they say anything different. Get shot and good riddance![/p][/quote]Lovren says we have no ambition, yet it was MoPo who lacked this, in the cups he practically put the second team out, was it his plan to leave and thus destabilize our team to the point where these so called loyal players who have signed long contracts want to leave. Or, is it just more simply money? I've a feeling it is that simple money and greed. It shows ambition to go out and get a manager who has played as well as managed top teams in europe. To say your head is already at drivilpool without even speaking to RK shows utter disrespect for him, the team and of course us, the supporters. The only way back for Lovren is to stay and apologize. However, I don't think he will. Make him pay for three years on his contract, then, hold out for the £27,000,000 asked for. If the club does not then it is leaving itself wide open to any club wanting to poach our staff and if we are not careful poopy will be after our tea lady. Although that won't happen they could not even cover the cost of her going down to that other place along the coast for a medical. Whatever happens we will be a strong team when we show drivilpool it made no difference who the steal from us. COYR's. durhamsaint87
  • Score: 3

4:54pm Sun 6 Jul 14

loosehead says...

Well let's do a Liverpool to him & refuse to let him go like they did last season with Suarez.
He'll really impress in the reserves won't he?
Or he can play his socks off in the first team see the difference with the new players then realise what a load of rubbish this statement is.
Where will these three players fit into the Liverpool line up? they have far better players than this so the B side? the reserves?
Exactly how's that showing ambition by these players?
Well let's do a Liverpool to him & refuse to let him go like they did last season with Suarez. He'll really impress in the reserves won't he? Or he can play his socks off in the first team see the difference with the new players then realise what a load of rubbish this statement is. Where will these three players fit into the Liverpool line up? they have far better players than this so the B side? the reserves? Exactly how's that showing ambition by these players? loosehead
  • Score: 2

4:54pm Sun 6 Jul 14

spratt says...

Churchill Saint wrote:
Smuggins2 wrote:
The cat is out of the bag now. Cortese and Pochetino made unrealistic promises to the players. It would have meant spending loads of money which was not Cortese's to spend. Not surprising KL called a stop to it as too much power was vested in one person and decided to appoint a proper board . At the time KL said that she wanted him to stay but he decided to go. Lovren is being very unprofessional in the way he is behaving and is showing massive disrespect to the club. He should get his head back from Liverpool is the rest of him is still in Southampton. Does appointing a top class manager who is a class above the previous one lack of ambition? I think not.
Totally agree.

Lovren's story just does not stack up. Doesn't he see the hypocrisy in what he has said? He wants to leave Southampton because they haven't kept key players, so when they DO try to keep a key player by saying he is not for sale he throws his toys out of the pram. Saints have every right to say he's not for sale. If he wants to join Liverpool than he has to wait until the end of his contract or until Saints agree to sell him. Why does Lovren disrespect us fans by thinking we will believe his rubbish; I would have more respect for him if he said he could double his salary at Liverpool and he wants to take it.

The Board must now remain strong and not sell Lovren. That will show ambition.

Lovren has confirmed my strong suspicion that once NC and MP had decided to leave (a long time ago) they got into the heads of players and started to poison the club by slagging off Katerina and the Board. We are so much better off without NC and MP
Last paragraph - spot on
[quote][p][bold]Churchill Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Smuggins2[/bold] wrote: The cat is out of the bag now. Cortese and Pochetino made unrealistic promises to the players. It would have meant spending loads of money which was not Cortese's to spend. Not surprising KL called a stop to it as too much power was vested in one person and decided to appoint a proper board . At the time KL said that she wanted him to stay but he decided to go. Lovren is being very unprofessional in the way he is behaving and is showing massive disrespect to the club. He should get his head back from Liverpool is the rest of him is still in Southampton. Does appointing a top class manager who is a class above the previous one lack of ambition? I think not.[/p][/quote]Totally agree. Lovren's story just does not stack up. Doesn't he see the hypocrisy in what he has said? He wants to leave Southampton because they haven't kept key players, so when they DO try to keep a key player by saying he is not for sale he throws his toys out of the pram. Saints have every right to say he's not for sale. If he wants to join Liverpool than he has to wait until the end of his contract or until Saints agree to sell him. Why does Lovren disrespect us fans by thinking we will believe his rubbish; I would have more respect for him if he said he could double his salary at Liverpool and he wants to take it. The Board must now remain strong and not sell Lovren. That will show ambition. Lovren has confirmed my strong suspicion that once NC and MP had decided to leave (a long time ago) they got into the heads of players and started to poison the club by slagging off Katerina and the Board. We are so much better off without NC and MP[/p][/quote]Last paragraph - spot on spratt
  • Score: 9

4:54pm Sun 6 Jul 14

The stripes says...

The players are all leaving because Cortese mis-sold them a vision and they are now disillusioned about the future direction of the club and it's ambitions.

How would you feel if one of your employees was selling potential clients and employees a product or service that you hadn't signed off on or was ready to finance? The minimum would be that you'd call a meeting and find out what was going on. Only problem was that in that meeting you found out he needed x millions to continue a vision you knew little about. There's a chance you'd fall off your chair.

So your employee leaves because you fall out over that serious miscommunication (amongst others) and his staff who he sold his vision to have become disillusioned. His staff eventually leave even though you try and explain the situation to them.

Meanwhile, with impeccable timing, the ex employee does an interview saying the staff wouldn't have left if he was still in charge. Sounds viable. What he failed to say was that the owners of the company didn't back his vision because it was unsustainable and was already going out of control. Employees or us fans didn't hear that bit. They are leaving because they think the owners have back-pedalled on their ambitions.

Cortese has left Katharina in a bad place. People are accusing her of lack of ambition. Ambition she had very little idea of. She tried to rescue the situation and keep him on board and start to work with him on a more realistic vision as it was him that had all the fans and players 'on board'. Sadly, there was no way he would agree to that, not after he'd sold roads paved with gold to everyone. He's not the back-pedalling kind of guy so it was better for him to resign. So, how could Katharina turn round and say 'sorry guys! NC sold you the wrong vision, it was way off the mark, we have to back pedal a bit so we can run a company the right way. A way that it can support itself so we don't do a Pompey. How embarrassing would that be for her to have announced that?

Honestly saints fans and supporters, I think we are much better off now than appears. That's how I feel. But it's easy for me to buy into my thoughts than you to buy into what is just my opinion.
The players are all leaving because Cortese mis-sold them a vision and they are now disillusioned about the future direction of the club and it's ambitions. How would you feel if one of your employees was selling potential clients and employees a product or service that you hadn't signed off on or was ready to finance? The minimum would be that you'd call a meeting and find out what was going on. Only problem was that in that meeting you found out he needed x millions to continue a vision you knew little about. There's a chance you'd fall off your chair. So your employee leaves because you fall out over that serious miscommunication (amongst others) and his staff who he sold his vision to have become disillusioned. His staff eventually leave even though you try and explain the situation to them. Meanwhile, with impeccable timing, the ex employee does an interview saying the staff wouldn't have left if he was still in charge. Sounds viable. What he failed to say was that the owners of the company didn't back his vision because it was unsustainable and was already going out of control. Employees or us fans didn't hear that bit. They are leaving because they think the owners have back-pedalled on their ambitions. Cortese has left Katharina in a bad place. People are accusing her of lack of ambition. Ambition she had very little idea of. She tried to rescue the situation and keep him on board and start to work with him on a more realistic vision as it was him that had all the fans and players 'on board'. Sadly, there was no way he would agree to that, not after he'd sold roads paved with gold to everyone. He's not the back-pedalling kind of guy so it was better for him to resign. So, how could Katharina turn round and say 'sorry guys! NC sold you the wrong vision, it was way off the mark, we have to back pedal a bit so we can run a company the right way. A way that it can support itself so we don't do a Pompey. How embarrassing would that be for her to have announced that? Honestly saints fans and supporters, I think we are much better off now than appears. That's how I feel. But it's easy for me to buy into my thoughts than you to buy into what is just my opinion. The stripes
  • Score: 19

5:01pm Sun 6 Jul 14

itsnotjustice says...

The otherday i said we should refuse all offers and let him rot for the next three years.... now im just thinking screw it... take the 20 million , add it to the kitty and get him out the club....As adkins would say, if you dont wanna be on the bus get off it...

No player is bigger than the club.. We have rebuilt before and we can rebuild again and show all these other clubs , and any disgruntled players that we are not little old southampton and we will not be bullied and dictated to by others.....
The otherday i said we should refuse all offers and let him rot for the next three years.... now im just thinking screw it... take the 20 million , add it to the kitty and get him out the club....As adkins would say, if you dont wanna be on the bus get off it... No player is bigger than the club.. We have rebuilt before and we can rebuild again and show all these other clubs , and any disgruntled players that we are not little old southampton and we will not be bullied and dictated to by others..... itsnotjustice
  • Score: 7

5:02pm Sun 6 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

I wonder what Gaston is making of it all?
I wonder what Gaston is making of it all? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 4

5:08pm Sun 6 Jul 14

SaintChris46 says...

What a lot of negativity on here today!
Is it any wonder that these players want to leave? So would you, if you'd been promised something that was to any intelligent person, a tad far fetched. Let's face it, this is Southampton FC. Five years ago we were at the bottom of League One. It just shows the intelligence (or lack of) of these players that they actually believed the **** fed to them by Cortese.
Do they actually think that Pochetino was the only manager that could deliver European football? I think we stand a better chance under Koeman, with or without these whinging prima donnas. It will probably take another couple of years to achieve, but so what? Are we all that impatient that we can't wait a while? We may have had a brilliant season (by our standards) but we were actually nowhere near good enough for Champions League. It would have taken hundreds of millions of pounds to achieve that and quite frankly, I don't think Katerina Liebherr wants to spend those amounts, after what she and her father have already invested. Quite rightly, she is insisting that transfers out will fund those coming in, added to a more sensible level of her own investment.
Can we all stop taking every opportunity to take a pop at her and the board, and think about where we were five years ago. I will admit that the club may have been a bit more secure under Cortese, but if I was spending someone else's money and conning players into believing the dream, I would expect to get " found out" at some point.
Before you all go on the offensive with the "happy clapper" label, I am just being realistic!

BTW - thank you Morgan, for at least having the common courtesy to listen to the new manager before making any hasty decisions about your future.
What a lot of negativity on here today! Is it any wonder that these players want to leave? So would you, if you'd been promised something that was to any intelligent person, a tad far fetched. Let's face it, this is Southampton FC. Five years ago we were at the bottom of League One. It just shows the intelligence (or lack of) of these players that they actually believed the **** fed to them by Cortese. Do they actually think that Pochetino was the only manager that could deliver European football? I think we stand a better chance under Koeman, with or without these whinging prima donnas. It will probably take another couple of years to achieve, but so what? Are we all that impatient that we can't wait a while? We may have had a brilliant season (by our standards) but we were actually nowhere near good enough for Champions League. It would have taken hundreds of millions of pounds to achieve that and quite frankly, I don't think Katerina Liebherr wants to spend those amounts, after what she and her father have already invested. Quite rightly, she is insisting that transfers out will fund those coming in, added to a more sensible level of her own investment. Can we all stop taking every opportunity to take a pop at her and the board, and think about where we were five years ago. I will admit that the club may have been a bit more secure under Cortese, but if I was spending someone else's money and conning players into believing the dream, I would expect to get " found out" at some point. Before you all go on the offensive with the "happy clapper" label, I am just being realistic! BTW - thank you Morgan, for at least having the common courtesy to listen to the new manager before making any hasty decisions about your future. SaintChris46
  • Score: 10

5:12pm Sun 6 Jul 14

saint christopher says...

spratt wrote:
IOAD wrote:
Well he might as well have done a big turd on the centre-spot, really. The 'ambition' line is just a convenient narrative, created by MP, and followed by a bunch of greedy mercenaries. Let them go. If this is ambition, then frankly, ambition can go an fuckitself.
I have to agree on this one. Nothing surprises me any more with some of the comments on this site. All of a sudden "lack of ambition" has become the "buzz words" of the day and Cortese the hero of the hour. Were any of these sentiments being expressed in the euphoria at the end of the season. Finishing eight in the premier league. We were over the moon. We now have a top quality manager in place far superior than MP, a 100 Million pound plus kitty to buy new players, and we lack ambition? This is just a convenient cover for greedy self opinionated players to get more money. And can come someone kindly explain just exactly how this "lack of ambition" should be rectified by the club?
Precisely.

Fact is the World Cup has been a disaster for Saints, with every player picked having their heads turned and wanting to have more of that Fools Gold glamour of the big occasion with wages to boot. Really just a symptom of all that's become so rotten about the beautiful game.

Having said that our board have played their part in all this by appearing to be only reactive to every situation. For all the talk of greater transparency things have actually got worse, giving the impression of rabbits frozen in the headlights. Whatever might happen re Schneirderlen and Lovren the club can hardly start playing hardball now that they've meekly allowed other players to leave.

It's a totally new phase of the "project" we're now in, and those in control are as much on trial as the new team that must now be built. Only time will tell if they have done what is right and for the best interests of the club.
[quote][p][bold]spratt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IOAD[/bold] wrote: Well he might as well have done a big turd on the centre-spot, really. The 'ambition' line is just a convenient narrative, created by MP, and followed by a bunch of greedy mercenaries. Let them go. If this is ambition, then frankly, ambition can go an fuckitself.[/p][/quote]I have to agree on this one. Nothing surprises me any more with some of the comments on this site. All of a sudden "lack of ambition" has become the "buzz words" of the day and Cortese the hero of the hour. Were any of these sentiments being expressed in the euphoria at the end of the season. Finishing eight in the premier league. We were over the moon. We now have a top quality manager in place far superior than MP, a 100 Million pound plus kitty to buy new players, and we lack ambition? This is just a convenient cover for greedy self opinionated players to get more money. And can come someone kindly explain just exactly how this "lack of ambition" should be rectified by the club?[/p][/quote]Precisely. Fact is the World Cup has been a disaster for Saints, with every player picked having their heads turned and wanting to have more of that Fools Gold glamour of the big occasion with wages to boot. Really just a symptom of all that's become so rotten about the beautiful game. Having said that our board have played their part in all this by appearing to be only reactive to every situation. For all the talk of greater transparency things have actually got worse, giving the impression of rabbits frozen in the headlights. Whatever might happen re Schneirderlen and Lovren the club can hardly start playing hardball now that they've meekly allowed other players to leave. It's a totally new phase of the "project" we're now in, and those in control are as much on trial as the new team that must now be built. Only time will tell if they have done what is right and for the best interests of the club. saint christopher
  • Score: -4

5:16pm Sun 6 Jul 14

The stripes says...

SaintChris46 wrote:
What a lot of negativity on here today!
Is it any wonder that these players want to leave? So would you, if you'd been promised something that was to any intelligent person, a tad far fetched. Let's face it, this is Southampton FC. Five years ago we were at the bottom of League One. It just shows the intelligence (or lack of) of these players that they actually believed the **** fed to them by Cortese.
Do they actually think that Pochetino was the only manager that could deliver European football? I think we stand a better chance under Koeman, with or without these whinging prima donnas. It will probably take another couple of years to achieve, but so what? Are we all that impatient that we can't wait a while? We may have had a brilliant season (by our standards) but we were actually nowhere near good enough for Champions League. It would have taken hundreds of millions of pounds to achieve that and quite frankly, I don't think Katerina Liebherr wants to spend those amounts, after what she and her father have already invested. Quite rightly, she is insisting that transfers out will fund those coming in, added to a more sensible level of her own investment.
Can we all stop taking every opportunity to take a pop at her and the board, and think about where we were five years ago. I will admit that the club may have been a bit more secure under Cortese, but if I was spending someone else's money and conning players into believing the dream, I would expect to get " found out" at some point.
Before you all go on the offensive with the "happy clapper" label, I am just being realistic!

BTW - thank you Morgan, for at least having the common courtesy to listen to the new manager before making any hasty decisions about your future.
Nice one Chris, agree with your post.
[quote][p][bold]SaintChris46[/bold] wrote: What a lot of negativity on here today! Is it any wonder that these players want to leave? So would you, if you'd been promised something that was to any intelligent person, a tad far fetched. Let's face it, this is Southampton FC. Five years ago we were at the bottom of League One. It just shows the intelligence (or lack of) of these players that they actually believed the **** fed to them by Cortese. Do they actually think that Pochetino was the only manager that could deliver European football? I think we stand a better chance under Koeman, with or without these whinging prima donnas. It will probably take another couple of years to achieve, but so what? Are we all that impatient that we can't wait a while? We may have had a brilliant season (by our standards) but we were actually nowhere near good enough for Champions League. It would have taken hundreds of millions of pounds to achieve that and quite frankly, I don't think Katerina Liebherr wants to spend those amounts, after what she and her father have already invested. Quite rightly, she is insisting that transfers out will fund those coming in, added to a more sensible level of her own investment. Can we all stop taking every opportunity to take a pop at her and the board, and think about where we were five years ago. I will admit that the club may have been a bit more secure under Cortese, but if I was spending someone else's money and conning players into believing the dream, I would expect to get " found out" at some point. Before you all go on the offensive with the "happy clapper" label, I am just being realistic! BTW - thank you Morgan, for at least having the common courtesy to listen to the new manager before making any hasty decisions about your future.[/p][/quote]Nice one Chris, agree with your post. The stripes
  • Score: -1

5:27pm Sun 6 Jul 14

long memory says...

Confucious wrote:
My heart weeps for poor Lovren. He came to Saints on a pittance, but only on the prospect of future fortune as a result of Nicola, who, on a mere £1.2m a year himself, promised to be in sole charge of spending many millions of someone else's money. Twenty million plus transfer fee debt carried over to this year - no worries. Training ground costs 100% overspent - no worries. Lack of ambition - no worries.

Then that nice Nicola and the wonderful Pochettino - both of whom would suffer any degree of personal hardship just to see the club's ambition prosper - were forced out by being forced not to agree to requests made of them to stay.

And now that evil board probably thinks Lovren and the rest of the wantaways and goneaways were just focussed on their own financial largesse rather than the wonderful fulfillment of the glorious ambition.

Meantime, we all know the board has a secret and darstardly plan - a dark plot to make the club a financially viable business. They will never be able to understand real ambition - ambition the like of which Leeds and Portsmouth once had; the sort of ambition oil rich Arab royalty and dodgy Russian oligarchs have.

Go then Dejan - don't suffer this awful situation any longer. You have been treated abominably - along with the greatly maligned Adam, Rickie and Luke. Us fans of course will stay - but let's face it, we simply don't deserve the likes of wonderful you.
Superb e-mail,sarcasm at its best.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: My heart weeps for poor Lovren. He came to Saints on a pittance, but only on the prospect of future fortune as a result of Nicola, who, on a mere £1.2m a year himself, promised to be in sole charge of spending many millions of someone else's money. Twenty million plus transfer fee debt carried over to this year - no worries. Training ground costs 100% overspent - no worries. Lack of ambition - no worries. Then that nice Nicola and the wonderful Pochettino - both of whom would suffer any degree of personal hardship just to see the club's ambition prosper - were forced out by being forced not to agree to requests made of them to stay. And now that evil board probably thinks Lovren and the rest of the wantaways and goneaways were just focussed on their own financial largesse rather than the wonderful fulfillment of the glorious ambition. Meantime, we all know the board has a secret and darstardly plan - a dark plot to make the club a financially viable business. They will never be able to understand real ambition - ambition the like of which Leeds and Portsmouth once had; the sort of ambition oil rich Arab royalty and dodgy Russian oligarchs have. Go then Dejan - don't suffer this awful situation any longer. You have been treated abominably - along with the greatly maligned Adam, Rickie and Luke. Us fans of course will stay - but let's face it, we simply don't deserve the likes of wonderful you.[/p][/quote]Superb e-mail,sarcasm at its best. long memory
  • Score: 14

5:28pm Sun 6 Jul 14

lowe esteem says...

Stroppy_gramps wrote:
jesus h christ will you people just calm down?

sack the board?
reed must go?
get a f*cking grip of yourselves!

If they go who is waiting in the wings? cortese? you really think so?

you are f*cking pathetic the lot of you, just look at yourselves crying on because of the comments of certain players engineering a move for themselves.
And those of you screaming about relegation should be ashamed of yourselves - NOT ONE BALL HAS BEEN KICKED YET. F*CKING GROW A PAIR.

you think KL wanted ANY of this?

the club is still going to be here first match of the season. And I will be there supporting them. if you can't handle that then step off the f*cking bus and go support the skates you passionless f*cktards.
Steady, I know some of these contributions make the blood boil, but like yours they are being fuelled by the exceptional circumstances, and passion that this provokes.
But please, I do prefer your usual non- Taurettes approach.
[quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: jesus h christ will you people just calm down? sack the board? reed must go? get a f*cking grip of yourselves! If they go who is waiting in the wings? cortese? you really think so? you are f*cking pathetic the lot of you, just look at yourselves crying on because of the comments of certain players engineering a move for themselves. And those of you screaming about relegation should be ashamed of yourselves - NOT ONE BALL HAS BEEN KICKED YET. F*CKING GROW A PAIR. you think KL wanted ANY of this? the club is still going to be here first match of the season. And I will be there supporting them. if you can't handle that then step off the f*cking bus and go support the skates you passionless f*cktards.[/p][/quote]Steady, I know some of these contributions make the blood boil, but like yours they are being fuelled by the exceptional circumstances, and passion that this provokes. But please, I do prefer your usual non- Taurettes approach. lowe esteem
  • Score: 11

5:37pm Sun 6 Jul 14

SFC PRIDE OF THE SOUTH says...

With bad news everyday this like water off a duck's back. We lost our manager, we lost our best players and we are making our own kit. Any chance of us signing anyone soon? :-(
With bad news everyday this like water off a duck's back. We lost our manager, we lost our best players and we are making our own kit. Any chance of us signing anyone soon? :-( SFC PRIDE OF THE SOUTH
  • Score: 2

5:38pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Stroppy_gramps says...

lowe esteem wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
jesus h christ will you people just calm down?

sack the board?
reed must go?
get a f*cking grip of yourselves!

If they go who is waiting in the wings? cortese? you really think so?

you are f*cking pathetic the lot of you, just look at yourselves crying on because of the comments of certain players engineering a move for themselves.
And those of you screaming about relegation should be ashamed of yourselves - NOT ONE BALL HAS BEEN KICKED YET. F*CKING GROW A PAIR.

you think KL wanted ANY of this?

the club is still going to be here first match of the season. And I will be there supporting them. if you can't handle that then step off the f*cking bus and go support the skates you passionless f*cktards.
Steady, I know some of these contributions make the blood boil, but like yours they are being fuelled by the exceptional circumstances, and passion that this provokes.
But please, I do prefer your usual non- Taurettes approach.
https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=ZBR2G-iI
3-I
[quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: jesus h christ will you people just calm down? sack the board? reed must go? get a f*cking grip of yourselves! If they go who is waiting in the wings? cortese? you really think so? you are f*cking pathetic the lot of you, just look at yourselves crying on because of the comments of certain players engineering a move for themselves. And those of you screaming about relegation should be ashamed of yourselves - NOT ONE BALL HAS BEEN KICKED YET. F*CKING GROW A PAIR. you think KL wanted ANY of this? the club is still going to be here first match of the season. And I will be there supporting them. if you can't handle that then step off the f*cking bus and go support the skates you passionless f*cktards.[/p][/quote]Steady, I know some of these contributions make the blood boil, but like yours they are being fuelled by the exceptional circumstances, and passion that this provokes. But please, I do prefer your usual non- Taurettes approach.[/p][/quote]https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=ZBR2G-iI 3-I Stroppy_gramps
  • Score: -10

5:38pm Sun 6 Jul 14

one in the crowd says...

Dejan Lovren: My head is already at Liverpool

"The last time I played at Anfield, I got chills when I heard 'You'll Never Walk Alone.' I would like to listen to it all the time"

The Croatian defender is Brendan Rodgers' number one defensive transfer target and last week the Reds had a bid of around £20m turned down by the Saints.
Lovren says he was not informed of that bid, and has told Southampton that amount should be more than enough to let him leave the south coast.
Lovren reportedly told Croatian website Sportske Novosti: "Liverpool sent a 20 million offer and they paid nine million for me, so they would've earned twice the amount.
"At this point, I don't know what I'll do and I don't like it. It was unbelievable that a few days ago I had an offer of 20 million pounds. It was in the morning and by the afternoon the club had said I was not for sale. Frankly, my head is already at Liverpool.
"Liverpool sent the offer and the club haven't informed me," he added.
"Not even about the subsequent Liverpool bids. That wasn't right. I found out about the bid from other people which disappointed me and I realised I've got no business staying at Southampton."
Lovren, who played at the FIFA World Cup earlier this month, says Southampton are asking for £25m for his services and admits he would have considered staying at the club had they showed ambition and not sold their best players.
Adam Lallana and Rickie Lambert have both completed moves to Anfield already and left-back Luke Shaw has completed a £27m move to Manchester United.
He continued: "Honestly, I don't know who the main man at the club is anymore. They are now looking for 25 million pounds, but I don't think they'll get it.
"Look, I'd gladly stay in Southampton if the club had any ambitions, if they kept the key players, not even the Liverpool bid would have dissuaded me.
"When I decided to go to Southampton, many people were surprised, but I went because the people at the club had great ambition.
"They gave me assurances about the project -- the former chairman, Nicola Cortese, and the former coach, Mauricio Pochettino, convinced me. They gave me incredible confidence.
"When I began training there, I realised they had a very good team. They promised to buy two more players -- they bought Osvaldo and Wanyama. They are great players. The aim was to qualify for Europe, to get into the Europa League at least."
Southampton finished eighth last term and manager Pochettino moved to Tottenham shortly after the end of the season. Former chairman Cortese also left the club.
Lovren says the departure of those key figures has fueled his desire to leave the club - as well as they opportunity to play for one of Europe's biggest clubs.
He said: "When the chairman left, and Pochettino was going too as early as April, I realised things had fallen apart.
"Liverpool is one of the biggest clubs in the world. Only Real Madrid have as many fans around the world. The last time I played at Anfield, I got chills when I heard 'You'll Never Walk Alone.' I would like to listen to it all the time."
Dejan Lovren: My head is already at Liverpool "The last time I played at Anfield, I got chills when I heard 'You'll Never Walk Alone.' I would like to listen to it all the time" The Croatian defender is Brendan Rodgers' number one defensive transfer target and last week the Reds had a bid of around £20m turned down by the Saints. Lovren says he was not informed of that bid, and has told Southampton that amount should be more than enough to let him leave the south coast. Lovren reportedly told Croatian website Sportske Novosti: "Liverpool sent a 20 million offer and they [Southampton] paid nine million for me, so they would've earned twice the amount. "At this point, I don't know what I'll do and I don't like it. It was unbelievable that a few days ago I had an offer of 20 million pounds. It was in the morning and by the afternoon the club had said I was not for sale. Frankly, my head is already at Liverpool. "Liverpool sent the offer and the club haven't informed me," he added. "Not even about the subsequent Liverpool bids. That wasn't right. I found out about the bid from other people which disappointed me and I realised I've got no business staying at Southampton." Lovren, who played at the FIFA World Cup earlier this month, says Southampton are asking for £25m for his services and admits he would have considered staying at the club had they showed ambition and not sold their best players. Adam Lallana and Rickie Lambert have both completed moves to Anfield already and left-back Luke Shaw has completed a £27m move to Manchester United. He continued: "Honestly, I don't know who the main man at the club is anymore. They are now looking for 25 million pounds, but I don't think they'll get it. "Look, I'd gladly stay in Southampton if the club had any ambitions, if they kept the key players, not even the Liverpool bid would have dissuaded me. "When I decided to go to Southampton, many people were surprised, but I went because the people at the club had great ambition. "They gave me assurances about the project -- the former chairman, Nicola Cortese, and the former coach, Mauricio Pochettino, convinced me. They gave me incredible confidence. "When I began training there, I realised they had a very good team. They promised to buy two more players -- they bought [Pablo Daniel] Osvaldo and [Victor] Wanyama. They are great players. The aim was to qualify for Europe, to get into the Europa League at least." Southampton finished eighth last term and manager Pochettino moved to Tottenham shortly after the end of the season. Former chairman Cortese also left the club. Lovren says the departure of those key figures has fueled his desire to leave the club - as well as they opportunity to play for one of Europe's biggest clubs. He said: "When the chairman left, and Pochettino was going too as early as April, I realised things had fallen apart. "Liverpool is one of the biggest clubs in the world. Only Real Madrid have as many fans around the world. The last time I played at Anfield, I got chills when I heard 'You'll Never Walk Alone.' I would like to listen to it all the time." one in the crowd
  • Score: -4

5:40pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Stroppy_gramps says...

or perhaps this is more appropriate since he's acting like a complete Queen

https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=eM8Ss28z
jcE
or perhaps this is more appropriate since he's acting like a complete Queen https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=eM8Ss28z jcE Stroppy_gramps
  • Score: -9

5:41pm Sun 6 Jul 14

upwherewebelong says...

saint christopher wrote:
spratt wrote:
IOAD wrote:
Well he might as well have done a big turd on the centre-spot, really. The 'ambition' line is just a convenient narrative, created by MP, and followed by a bunch of greedy mercenaries. Let them go. If this is ambition, then frankly, ambition can go an fuckitself.
I have to agree on this one. Nothing surprises me any more with some of the comments on this site. All of a sudden "lack of ambition" has become the "buzz words" of the day and Cortese the hero of the hour. Were any of these sentiments being expressed in the euphoria at the end of the season. Finishing eight in the premier league. We were over the moon. We now have a top quality manager in place far superior than MP, a 100 Million pound plus kitty to buy new players, and we lack ambition? This is just a convenient cover for greedy self opinionated players to get more money. And can come someone kindly explain just exactly how this "lack of ambition" should be rectified by the club?
Precisely.

Fact is the World Cup has been a disaster for Saints, with every player picked having their heads turned and wanting to have more of that Fools Gold glamour of the big occasion with wages to boot. Really just a symptom of all that's become so rotten about the beautiful game.

Having said that our board have played their part in all this by appearing to be only reactive to every situation. For all the talk of greater transparency things have actually got worse, giving the impression of rabbits frozen in the headlights. Whatever might happen re Schneirderlen and Lovren the club can hardly start playing hardball now that they've meekly allowed other players to leave.

It's a totally new phase of the "project" we're now in, and those in control are as much on trial as the new team that must now be built. Only time will tell if they have done what is right and for the best interests of the club.
Good post and I agree with much of the sentiments expressed but what is galling and to be honest annoying me greatly is the head in sand attitude of the board to strengthening the squad.

Liverpool have signed 3 players with more to come
Man Utd have signed 2 players with more to come
West Ham have signed 4-5 players with more expected
Saints NADA - ZERO nothing well you get the message.

We need someone at the helm with the courage and drive to get deals done or at the very least have the guts to explain to us fans why it's taking so long.

I wonder whether this much celebrated gang of 20 people that do research is actually a thorn in the side which if shut down and left to the manager to decide who to sign wouldn't be the better way forward. I'm not saying it would I'm just throwing a question out there.

I get annoyed with fans telling other fans to get lost and support other teams or that they are passionless because they criticise the current way the club is being run. Now this is JUST MY OPINION but disagreeing with this board does not nor will it ever mean you are passionless to me it proves we care. I believe this boad have to go a long way and pull their head out of the sand and quickly bring players in to regain my trust and confidence. Not to say just panic buy but it is 7th July tomorrow and the clock is ticking to have sufficient time to give them a pre-season with us. I think les Reed is being found out as he's not up to Premier League standard as he isn't working hard enough with Koeman to sort this diminishing squad out.
[quote][p][bold]saint christopher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spratt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IOAD[/bold] wrote: Well he might as well have done a big turd on the centre-spot, really. The 'ambition' line is just a convenient narrative, created by MP, and followed by a bunch of greedy mercenaries. Let them go. If this is ambition, then frankly, ambition can go an fuckitself.[/p][/quote]I have to agree on this one. Nothing surprises me any more with some of the comments on this site. All of a sudden "lack of ambition" has become the "buzz words" of the day and Cortese the hero of the hour. Were any of these sentiments being expressed in the euphoria at the end of the season. Finishing eight in the premier league. We were over the moon. We now have a top quality manager in place far superior than MP, a 100 Million pound plus kitty to buy new players, and we lack ambition? This is just a convenient cover for greedy self opinionated players to get more money. And can come someone kindly explain just exactly how this "lack of ambition" should be rectified by the club?[/p][/quote]Precisely. Fact is the World Cup has been a disaster for Saints, with every player picked having their heads turned and wanting to have more of that Fools Gold glamour of the big occasion with wages to boot. Really just a symptom of all that's become so rotten about the beautiful game. Having said that our board have played their part in all this by appearing to be only reactive to every situation. For all the talk of greater transparency things have actually got worse, giving the impression of rabbits frozen in the headlights. Whatever might happen re Schneirderlen and Lovren the club can hardly start playing hardball now that they've meekly allowed other players to leave. It's a totally new phase of the "project" we're now in, and those in control are as much on trial as the new team that must now be built. Only time will tell if they have done what is right and for the best interests of the club.[/p][/quote]Good post and I agree with much of the sentiments expressed but what is galling and to be honest annoying me greatly is the head in sand attitude of the board to strengthening the squad. Liverpool have signed 3 players with more to come Man Utd have signed 2 players with more to come West Ham have signed 4-5 players with more expected Saints NADA - ZERO nothing well you get the message. We need someone at the helm with the courage and drive to get deals done or at the very least have the guts to explain to us fans why it's taking so long. I wonder whether this much celebrated gang of 20 people that do research is actually a thorn in the side which if shut down and left to the manager to decide who to sign wouldn't be the better way forward. I'm not saying it would I'm just throwing a question out there. I get annoyed with fans telling other fans to get lost and support other teams or that they are passionless because they criticise the current way the club is being run. Now this is JUST MY OPINION but disagreeing with this board does not nor will it ever mean you are passionless to me it proves we care. I believe this boad have to go a long way and pull their head out of the sand and quickly bring players in to regain my trust and confidence. Not to say just panic buy but it is 7th July tomorrow and the clock is ticking to have sufficient time to give them a pre-season with us. I think les Reed is being found out as he's not up to Premier League standard as he isn't working hard enough with Koeman to sort this diminishing squad out. upwherewebelong
  • Score: -1

5:49pm Sun 6 Jul 14

SnapperSaint says...

Well Dejan your head may be at Liverpool but your @rse is ours at Saints until we say so, got that!?!?
Well Dejan your head may be at Liverpool but your @rse is ours at Saints until we say so, got that!?!? SnapperSaint
  • Score: 8

5:56pm Sun 6 Jul 14

harry hater says...

They say that we lack ambition..real world you have something worth say one hundred pounds but some one offers you 3 hundred pounds would you not take the money and go buy some thing simarliar and then have more money to spend on the team to make it stronger.....lack of scouting from the big teams that they can't find real undiscovered talent ...keep taking they money I say....makes good sense to me
They say that we lack ambition..real world you have something worth say one hundred pounds but some one offers you 3 hundred pounds would you not take the money and go buy some thing simarliar and then have more money to spend on the team to make it stronger.....lack of scouting from the big teams that they can't find real undiscovered talent ...keep taking they money I say....makes good sense to me harry hater
  • Score: 2

5:58pm Sun 6 Jul 14

SFC PRIDE OF THE SOUTH says...

Stroppy_gramps wrote:
upwherewebelong wrote:
saint christopher wrote:
spratt wrote:
IOAD wrote:
Well he might as well have done a big turd on the centre-spot, really. The 'ambition' line is just a convenient narrative, created by MP, and followed by a bunch of greedy mercenaries. Let them go. If this is ambition, then frankly, ambition can go an fuckitself.
I have to agree on this one. Nothing surprises me any more with some of the comments on this site. All of a sudden "lack of ambition" has become the "buzz words" of the day and Cortese the hero of the hour. Were any of these sentiments being expressed in the euphoria at the end of the season. Finishing eight in the premier league. We were over the moon. We now have a top quality manager in place far superior than MP, a 100 Million pound plus kitty to buy new players, and we lack ambition? This is just a convenient cover for greedy self opinionated players to get more money. And can come someone kindly explain just exactly how this "lack of ambition" should be rectified by the club?
Precisely.

Fact is the World Cup has been a disaster for Saints, with every player picked having their heads turned and wanting to have more of that Fools Gold glamour of the big occasion with wages to boot. Really just a symptom of all that's become so rotten about the beautiful game.

Having said that our board have played their part in all this by appearing to be only reactive to every situation. For all the talk of greater transparency things have actually got worse, giving the impression of rabbits frozen in the headlights. Whatever might happen re Schneirderlen and Lovren the club can hardly start playing hardball now that they've meekly allowed other players to leave.

It's a totally new phase of the "project" we're now in, and those in control are as much on trial as the new team that must now be built. Only time will tell if they have done what is right and for the best interests of the club.
Good post and I agree with much of the sentiments expressed but what is galling and to be honest annoying me greatly is the head in sand attitude of the board to strengthening the squad.

Liverpool have signed 3 players with more to come
Man Utd have signed 2 players with more to come
West Ham have signed 4-5 players with more expected
Saints NADA - ZERO nothing well you get the message.

We need someone at the helm with the courage and drive to get deals done or at the very least have the guts to explain to us fans why it's taking so long.

I wonder whether this much celebrated gang of 20 people that do research is actually a thorn in the side which if shut down and left to the manager to decide who to sign wouldn't be the better way forward. I'm not saying it would I'm just throwing a question out there.

I get annoyed with fans telling other fans to get lost and support other teams or that they are passionless because they criticise the current way the club is being run. Now this is JUST MY OPINION but disagreeing with this board does not nor will it ever mean you are passionless to me it proves we care. I believe this boad have to go a long way and pull their head out of the sand and quickly bring players in to regain my trust and confidence. Not to say just panic buy but it is 7th July tomorrow and the clock is ticking to have sufficient time to give them a pre-season with us. I think les Reed is being found out as he's not up to Premier League standard as he isn't working hard enough with Koeman to sort this diminishing squad out.
yes. your opinion is sh*t.

you know NOTHING of what the board has been doing because the club policy is to not talk about transfers.
Southampton do not conduct their business in the media. that's it. nothing more to say.

so sitting there claiming that the club are sticking their heads in the sand is wrong, disirespectful and wholly inaccurate. Like you, I don't know what's going on behind the scenes but I can guarantee you that what is NOT happening is the board or any other member of staff at the club sitting there wringing their hands crying 'OH NOES! EVERYONE IS LEAVING! I SHALL SIT HERE AND DO NOTHING HOPING THAT IT WILL ALL BE OK'
which is the message you are putting across.

you.
know.
nothing.

same as the rest of us. and all your speculation and cries of 'oh teh club is doing nothing! sack everyone!' just isn't helping.

so shut up.
Shhhhhh. Your comments are abusive and dumb. You are a big old bore.
[quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint christopher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spratt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IOAD[/bold] wrote: Well he might as well have done a big turd on the centre-spot, really. The 'ambition' line is just a convenient narrative, created by MP, and followed by a bunch of greedy mercenaries. Let them go. If this is ambition, then frankly, ambition can go an fuckitself.[/p][/quote]I have to agree on this one. Nothing surprises me any more with some of the comments on this site. All of a sudden "lack of ambition" has become the "buzz words" of the day and Cortese the hero of the hour. Were any of these sentiments being expressed in the euphoria at the end of the season. Finishing eight in the premier league. We were over the moon. We now have a top quality manager in place far superior than MP, a 100 Million pound plus kitty to buy new players, and we lack ambition? This is just a convenient cover for greedy self opinionated players to get more money. And can come someone kindly explain just exactly how this "lack of ambition" should be rectified by the club?[/p][/quote]Precisely. Fact is the World Cup has been a disaster for Saints, with every player picked having their heads turned and wanting to have more of that Fools Gold glamour of the big occasion with wages to boot. Really just a symptom of all that's become so rotten about the beautiful game. Having said that our board have played their part in all this by appearing to be only reactive to every situation. For all the talk of greater transparency things have actually got worse, giving the impression of rabbits frozen in the headlights. Whatever might happen re Schneirderlen and Lovren the club can hardly start playing hardball now that they've meekly allowed other players to leave. It's a totally new phase of the "project" we're now in, and those in control are as much on trial as the new team that must now be built. Only time will tell if they have done what is right and for the best interests of the club.[/p][/quote]Good post and I agree with much of the sentiments expressed but what is galling and to be honest annoying me greatly is the head in sand attitude of the board to strengthening the squad. Liverpool have signed 3 players with more to come Man Utd have signed 2 players with more to come West Ham have signed 4-5 players with more expected Saints NADA - ZERO nothing well you get the message. We need someone at the helm with the courage and drive to get deals done or at the very least have the guts to explain to us fans why it's taking so long. I wonder whether this much celebrated gang of 20 people that do research is actually a thorn in the side which if shut down and left to the manager to decide who to sign wouldn't be the better way forward. I'm not saying it would I'm just throwing a question out there. I get annoyed with fans telling other fans to get lost and support other teams or that they are passionless because they criticise the current way the club is being run. Now this is JUST MY OPINION but disagreeing with this board does not nor will it ever mean you are passionless to me it proves we care. I believe this boad have to go a long way and pull their head out of the sand and quickly bring players in to regain my trust and confidence. Not to say just panic buy but it is 7th July tomorrow and the clock is ticking to have sufficient time to give them a pre-season with us. I think les Reed is being found out as he's not up to Premier League standard as he isn't working hard enough with Koeman to sort this diminishing squad out.[/p][/quote]yes. your opinion is sh*t. you know NOTHING of what the board has been doing because the club policy is to not talk about transfers. Southampton do not conduct their business in the media. that's it. nothing more to say. so sitting there claiming that the club are sticking their heads in the sand is wrong, disirespectful and wholly inaccurate. Like you, I don't know what's going on behind the scenes but I can guarantee you that what is NOT happening is the board or any other member of staff at the club sitting there wringing their hands crying 'OH NOES! EVERYONE IS LEAVING! I SHALL SIT HERE AND DO NOTHING HOPING THAT IT WILL ALL BE OK' which is the message you are putting across. you. know. nothing. same as the rest of us. and all your speculation and cries of 'oh teh club is doing nothing! sack everyone!' just isn't helping. so shut up.[/p][/quote]Shhhhhh. Your comments are abusive and dumb. You are a big old bore. SFC PRIDE OF THE SOUTH
  • Score: 8

6:03pm Sun 6 Jul 14

saint usa says...

Well im back in ny now and here strange things are being spoken about us,it seems that the post about selling up are stars then the club just might be true.Had brunch with a banker friend who knows nothing about football and he was telling me, things .do not look good under miss K L
Well im back in ny now and here strange things are being spoken about us,it seems that the post about selling up are stars then the club just might be true.Had brunch with a banker friend who knows nothing about football and he was telling me, things .do not look good under miss K L saint usa
  • Score: 0

6:11pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Baddesley Bill says...

"Got chills when I heard You'll never walk alone" my @rse!

Whole situation stinks if you ask me. Does anyone else think our players have been tapped up?
"Got chills when I heard You'll never walk alone" my @rse! Whole situation stinks if you ask me. Does anyone else think our players have been tapped up? Baddesley Bill
  • Score: 10

6:14pm Sun 6 Jul 14

jasons odd says...

It was obvious to anyone with a brain that Southampton have no ambition now since Cortese left .

Cortese was the driving force , the one with ambition . Ms Liebherr cares little (or nothing ) for Southampton and certainly has no ambitions other than sustaining our PL status .

With Cortese and Pochettino gone , it HAS all fallen apart . An Ice Hockey yes man brought in , and a manager with a poor record and no PL experience .

I dont blame Lovren Lallana Shaw or Schneiderlin , or others for leaving a club with NO ambition ...Any player would seek a move under these circumstances
It was obvious to anyone with a brain that Southampton have no ambition now since Cortese left . Cortese was the driving force , the one with ambition . Ms Liebherr cares little (or nothing ) for Southampton and certainly has no ambitions other than sustaining our PL status . With Cortese and Pochettino gone , it HAS all fallen apart . An Ice Hockey yes man brought in , and a manager with a poor record and no PL experience . I dont blame Lovren Lallana Shaw or Schneiderlin , or others for leaving a club with NO ambition ...Any player would seek a move under these circumstances jasons odd
  • Score: -1

6:16pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Confucious says...

SnapperSaint wrote:
Well Dejan your head may be at Liverpool but your @rse is ours at Saints until we say so, got that!?!?
It needs sorting out. Quite frankly, without his head, he's going to be far too short for a centre back at Saints - and without a body, legs and arms he may fail the medical at Liverpool.
[quote][p][bold]SnapperSaint[/bold] wrote: Well Dejan your head may be at Liverpool but your @rse is ours at Saints until we say so, got that!?!?[/p][/quote]It needs sorting out. Quite frankly, without his head, he's going to be far too short for a centre back at Saints - and without a body, legs and arms he may fail the medical at Liverpool. Confucious
  • Score: 11

6:17pm Sun 6 Jul 14

WobblyCat says...

The sooner his ar$e catches up with his head the better!
The sooner his ar$e catches up with his head the better! WobblyCat
  • Score: 4

6:21pm Sun 6 Jul 14

upwherewebelong says...

Stroppy_gramps wrote:
upwherewebelong wrote:
saint christopher wrote:
spratt wrote:
IOAD wrote:
Well he might as well have done a big turd on the centre-spot, really. The 'ambition' line is just a convenient narrative, created by MP, and followed by a bunch of greedy mercenaries. Let them go. If this is ambition, then frankly, ambition can go an fuckitself.
I have to agree on this one. Nothing surprises me any more with some of the comments on this site. All of a sudden "lack of ambition" has become the "buzz words" of the day and Cortese the hero of the hour. Were any of these sentiments being expressed in the euphoria at the end of the season. Finishing eight in the premier league. We were over the moon. We now have a top quality manager in place far superior than MP, a 100 Million pound plus kitty to buy new players, and we lack ambition? This is just a convenient cover for greedy self opinionated players to get more money. And can come someone kindly explain just exactly how this "lack of ambition" should be rectified by the club?
Precisely.

Fact is the World Cup has been a disaster for Saints, with every player picked having their heads turned and wanting to have more of that Fools Gold glamour of the big occasion with wages to boot. Really just a symptom of all that's become so rotten about the beautiful game.

Having said that our board have played their part in all this by appearing to be only reactive to every situation. For all the talk of greater transparency things have actually got worse, giving the impression of rabbits frozen in the headlights. Whatever might happen re Schneirderlen and Lovren the club can hardly start playing hardball now that they've meekly allowed other players to leave.

It's a totally new phase of the "project" we're now in, and those in control are as much on trial as the new team that must now be built. Only time will tell if they have done what is right and for the best interests of the club.
Good post and I agree with much of the sentiments expressed but what is galling and to be honest annoying me greatly is the head in sand attitude of the board to strengthening the squad.

Liverpool have signed 3 players with more to come
Man Utd have signed 2 players with more to come
West Ham have signed 4-5 players with more expected
Saints NADA - ZERO nothing well you get the message.

We need someone at the helm with the courage and drive to get deals done or at the very least have the guts to explain to us fans why it's taking so long.

I wonder whether this much celebrated gang of 20 people that do research is actually a thorn in the side which if shut down and left to the manager to decide who to sign wouldn't be the better way forward. I'm not saying it would I'm just throwing a question out there.

I get annoyed with fans telling other fans to get lost and support other teams or that they are passionless because they criticise the current way the club is being run. Now this is JUST MY OPINION but disagreeing with this board does not nor will it ever mean you are passionless to me it proves we care. I believe this boad have to go a long way and pull their head out of the sand and quickly bring players in to regain my trust and confidence. Not to say just panic buy but it is 7th July tomorrow and the clock is ticking to have sufficient time to give them a pre-season with us. I think les Reed is being found out as he's not up to Premier League standard as he isn't working hard enough with Koeman to sort this diminishing squad out.
yes. your opinion is sh*t.

you know NOTHING of what the board has been doing because the club policy is to not talk about transfers.
Southampton do not conduct their business in the media. that's it. nothing more to say.

so sitting there claiming that the club are sticking their heads in the sand is wrong, disirespectful and wholly inaccurate. Like you, I don't know what's going on behind the scenes but I can guarantee you that what is NOT happening is the board or any other member of staff at the club sitting there wringing their hands crying 'OH NOES! EVERYONE IS LEAVING! I SHALL SIT HERE AND DO NOTHING HOPING THAT IT WILL ALL BE OK'
which is the message you are putting across.

you.
know.
nothing.

same as the rest of us. and all your speculation and cries of 'oh teh club is doing nothing! sack everyone!' just isn't helping.

so shut up.
ever heard of freedom of speech ?? - probably not as I doubt you got many qualifications from school ? I'll put it in simple English for you - IT IS ONLY an opinion - disagree if you like and I have not got any issue with that but you preach to me about disrespect then spout disrespectful vitriol against me may I contend you are a bullying hypocrit.
[quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint christopher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spratt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IOAD[/bold] wrote: Well he might as well have done a big turd on the centre-spot, really. The 'ambition' line is just a convenient narrative, created by MP, and followed by a bunch of greedy mercenaries. Let them go. If this is ambition, then frankly, ambition can go an fuckitself.[/p][/quote]I have to agree on this one. Nothing surprises me any more with some of the comments on this site. All of a sudden "lack of ambition" has become the "buzz words" of the day and Cortese the hero of the hour. Were any of these sentiments being expressed in the euphoria at the end of the season. Finishing eight in the premier league. We were over the moon. We now have a top quality manager in place far superior than MP, a 100 Million pound plus kitty to buy new players, and we lack ambition? This is just a convenient cover for greedy self opinionated players to get more money. And can come someone kindly explain just exactly how this "lack of ambition" should be rectified by the club?[/p][/quote]Precisely. Fact is the World Cup has been a disaster for Saints, with every player picked having their heads turned and wanting to have more of that Fools Gold glamour of the big occasion with wages to boot. Really just a symptom of all that's become so rotten about the beautiful game. Having said that our board have played their part in all this by appearing to be only reactive to every situation. For all the talk of greater transparency things have actually got worse, giving the impression of rabbits frozen in the headlights. Whatever might happen re Schneirderlen and Lovren the club can hardly start playing hardball now that they've meekly allowed other players to leave. It's a totally new phase of the "project" we're now in, and those in control are as much on trial as the new team that must now be built. Only time will tell if they have done what is right and for the best interests of the club.[/p][/quote]Good post and I agree with much of the sentiments expressed but what is galling and to be honest annoying me greatly is the head in sand attitude of the board to strengthening the squad. Liverpool have signed 3 players with more to come Man Utd have signed 2 players with more to come West Ham have signed 4-5 players with more expected Saints NADA - ZERO nothing well you get the message. We need someone at the helm with the courage and drive to get deals done or at the very least have the guts to explain to us fans why it's taking so long. I wonder whether this much celebrated gang of 20 people that do research is actually a thorn in the side which if shut down and left to the manager to decide who to sign wouldn't be the better way forward. I'm not saying it would I'm just throwing a question out there. I get annoyed with fans telling other fans to get lost and support other teams or that they are passionless because they criticise the current way the club is being run. Now this is JUST MY OPINION but disagreeing with this board does not nor will it ever mean you are passionless to me it proves we care. I believe this boad have to go a long way and pull their head out of the sand and quickly bring players in to regain my trust and confidence. Not to say just panic buy but it is 7th July tomorrow and the clock is ticking to have sufficient time to give them a pre-season with us. I think les Reed is being found out as he's not up to Premier League standard as he isn't working hard enough with Koeman to sort this diminishing squad out.[/p][/quote]yes. your opinion is sh*t. you know NOTHING of what the board has been doing because the club policy is to not talk about transfers. Southampton do not conduct their business in the media. that's it. nothing more to say. so sitting there claiming that the club are sticking their heads in the sand is wrong, disirespectful and wholly inaccurate. Like you, I don't know what's going on behind the scenes but I can guarantee you that what is NOT happening is the board or any other member of staff at the club sitting there wringing their hands crying 'OH NOES! EVERYONE IS LEAVING! I SHALL SIT HERE AND DO NOTHING HOPING THAT IT WILL ALL BE OK' which is the message you are putting across. you. know. nothing. same as the rest of us. and all your speculation and cries of 'oh teh club is doing nothing! sack everyone!' just isn't helping. so shut up.[/p][/quote]ever heard of freedom of speech ?? - probably not as I doubt you got many qualifications from school ? I'll put it in simple English for you - IT IS ONLY an opinion - disagree if you like and I have not got any issue with that but you preach to me about disrespect then spout disrespectful vitriol against me may I contend you are a bullying hypocrit. upwherewebelong
  • Score: 10

6:23pm Sun 6 Jul 14

jasons odd says...

Ron The Nod wrote:
Getting Koeman in shows we have ambition, this is just excuses by Lovren to try and justify why he is not sticking to his contract, good riddance and I look forward to welcoming him and all the other players who have turned their backs on us back next season....they need to remember that without Saints they would be very average players going nowhere.
Koeman has been sacked from nearly every managerial job he had . The ONLY successful job was at feyenoord , where he had to sell his best players and bring through young players to replace them .

Hmmmm ...A job with no money to spend where he was successful at introducing youth ???... Thats why Koeman got our job . Thats THE ONLY REASON
[quote][p][bold]Ron The Nod[/bold] wrote: Getting Koeman in shows we have ambition, this is just excuses by Lovren to try and justify why he is not sticking to his contract, good riddance and I look forward to welcoming him and all the other players who have turned their backs on us back next season....they need to remember that without Saints they would be very average players going nowhere.[/p][/quote]Koeman has been sacked from nearly every managerial job he had . The ONLY successful job was at feyenoord , where he had to sell his best players and bring through young players to replace them . Hmmmm ...A job with no money to spend where he was successful at introducing youth ???... Thats why Koeman got our job . Thats THE ONLY REASON jasons odd
  • Score: -1

6:26pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Enrico Palazzo says...

Wow, the level of naivety on here never ceases to amaze me. Players like Lovren are so transparent. They all want to double their wages and are just using the NC/MOPO situation to justify their disrespect for our club and all the fans are falling for it! If MOPO was still there they would still all leave and then he would use that as an excuse to force his own way out! Lallana, Shaw, Lovren et al were all gone before the end of the season. I don't necessarily begrudge them wanting Champions League football but for the fans to fall for their half-hearted excuses andame the clubis just sooooooo naïve! Tha said Lovren, in particular, is behaving disgracefully.
Wow, the level of naivety on here never ceases to amaze me. Players like Lovren are so transparent. They all want to double their wages and are just using the NC/MOPO situation to justify their disrespect for our club and all the fans are falling for it! If MOPO was still there they would still all leave and then he would use that as an excuse to force his own way out! Lallana, Shaw, Lovren et al were all gone before the end of the season. I don't necessarily begrudge them wanting Champions League football but for the fans to fall for their half-hearted excuses andame the clubis just sooooooo naïve! Tha said Lovren, in particular, is behaving disgracefully. Enrico Palazzo
  • Score: -3

6:27pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Enrico Palazzo says...

*and blame the club is
*and blame the club is Enrico Palazzo
  • Score: -2

6:29pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Enrico Palazzo says...

Enrico Palazzo wrote:
Wow, the level of naivety on here never ceases to amaze me. Players like Lovren are so transparent. They all want to double their wages and are just using the NC/MOPO situation to justify their disrespect for our club and all the fans are falling for it! If MOPO was still there they would still all leave and then he would use that as an excuse to force his own way out! Lallana, Shaw, Lovren et al were all gone before the end of the season. I don't necessarily begrudge them wanting Champions League football but for the fans to fall for their half-hearted excuses andame the clubis just sooooooo naïve! Tha said Lovren, in particular, is behaving disgracefully.
Sorry, not all the fans are falling for it :o)
[quote][p][bold]Enrico Palazzo[/bold] wrote: Wow, the level of naivety on here never ceases to amaze me. Players like Lovren are so transparent. They all want to double their wages and are just using the NC/MOPO situation to justify their disrespect for our club and all the fans are falling for it! If MOPO was still there they would still all leave and then he would use that as an excuse to force his own way out! Lallana, Shaw, Lovren et al were all gone before the end of the season. I don't necessarily begrudge them wanting Champions League football but for the fans to fall for their half-hearted excuses andame the clubis just sooooooo naïve! Tha said Lovren, in particular, is behaving disgracefully.[/p][/quote]Sorry, not all the fans are falling for it :o) Enrico Palazzo
  • Score: -3

6:29pm Sun 6 Jul 14

sparky130a says...

mickey01 wrote:
TGodSFC wrote:
What a disrespectful little child, you can't do or say things like this about your employer, he thinks he's bigger than the club by the sounds of it. I agree that we should punish him and show who's the boss. Don't let the players run the club! Lovern sounds like a spoilt child.
if my employer went back on their word then i would do the same its not being a child its being human
But you wouldn't voice your upset via a public third party would you?

Because in most walks of life that would be breach of any employment contract. I know it is in mine. These players live in a unique world and the sooner people realise that the better. Question is, are our board savvy enough to operate in that world. Current evidence would suggest not. I hope they prove me wrong.
[quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: What a disrespectful little child, you can't do or say things like this about your employer, he thinks he's bigger than the club by the sounds of it. I agree that we should punish him and show who's the boss. Don't let the players run the club! Lovern sounds like a spoilt child.[/p][/quote]if my employer went back on their word then i would do the same its not being a child its being human[/p][/quote]But you wouldn't voice your upset via a public third party would you? Because in most walks of life that would be breach of any employment contract. I know it is in mine. These players live in a unique world and the sooner people realise that the better. Question is, are our board savvy enough to operate in that world. Current evidence would suggest not. I hope they prove me wrong. sparky130a
  • Score: -4

6:29pm Sun 6 Jul 14

long memory says...

Churchill Saint wrote:
Smuggins2 wrote:
The cat is out of the bag now. Cortese and Pochetino made unrealistic promises to the players. It would have meant spending loads of money which was not Cortese's to spend. Not surprising KL called a stop to it as too much power was vested in one person and decided to appoint a proper board . At the time KL said that she wanted him to stay but he decided to go. Lovren is being very unprofessional in the way he is behaving and is showing massive disrespect to the club. He should get his head back from Liverpool is the rest of him is still in Southampton. Does appointing a top class manager who is a class above the previous one lack of ambition? I think not.
Totally agree.

Lovren's story just does not stack up. Doesn't he see the hypocrisy in what he has said? He wants to leave Southampton because they haven't kept key players, so when they DO try to keep a key player by saying he is not for sale he throws his toys out of the pram. Saints have every right to say he's not for sale. If he wants to join Liverpool than he has to wait until the end of his contract or until Saints agree to sell him. Why does Lovren disrespect us fans by thinking we will believe his rubbish; I would have more respect for him if he said he could double his salary at Liverpool and he wants to take it.

The Board must now remain strong and not sell Lovren. That will show ambition.

Lovren has confirmed my strong suspicion that once NC and MP had decided to leave (a long time ago) they got into the heads of players and started to poison the club by slagging off Katerina and the Board. We are so much better off without NC and MP
Agree Churchill Saint with your last paragraph.
As I said in an e-mail yesterday,NC days of SCHADENFREUDE are numbered,and I find it very gratifying that the NC sycophants days are numbered.
[quote][p][bold]Churchill Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Smuggins2[/bold] wrote: The cat is out of the bag now. Cortese and Pochetino made unrealistic promises to the players. It would have meant spending loads of money which was not Cortese's to spend. Not surprising KL called a stop to it as too much power was vested in one person and decided to appoint a proper board . At the time KL said that she wanted him to stay but he decided to go. Lovren is being very unprofessional in the way he is behaving and is showing massive disrespect to the club. He should get his head back from Liverpool is the rest of him is still in Southampton. Does appointing a top class manager who is a class above the previous one lack of ambition? I think not.[/p][/quote]Totally agree. Lovren's story just does not stack up. Doesn't he see the hypocrisy in what he has said? He wants to leave Southampton because they haven't kept key players, so when they DO try to keep a key player by saying he is not for sale he throws his toys out of the pram. Saints have every right to say he's not for sale. If he wants to join Liverpool than he has to wait until the end of his contract or until Saints agree to sell him. Why does Lovren disrespect us fans by thinking we will believe his rubbish; I would have more respect for him if he said he could double his salary at Liverpool and he wants to take it. The Board must now remain strong and not sell Lovren. That will show ambition. Lovren has confirmed my strong suspicion that once NC and MP had decided to leave (a long time ago) they got into the heads of players and started to poison the club by slagging off Katerina and the Board. We are so much better off without NC and MP[/p][/quote]Agree Churchill Saint with your last paragraph. As I said in an e-mail yesterday,NC days of SCHADENFREUDE are numbered,and I find it very gratifying that the NC sycophants days are numbered. long memory
  • Score: -5

6:38pm Sun 6 Jul 14

soton1980 says...

Koeman wouldn't have joined if the board had no ambition and weren't willing to back him.

No-one forced the other players to leave and we rejected many of the bids made for them. The intention was there to build upon the team.

If the reports are to be believed, Poch was offered a lucrative new contract, one of the best in the Premier League. Perhaps he would have had a slightly smaller transfer budget, but I don't believe that key players would have been sold and I think he would have been supported.
Koeman wouldn't have joined if the board had no ambition and weren't willing to back him. No-one forced the other players to leave and we rejected many of the bids made for them. The intention was there to build upon the team. If the reports are to be believed, Poch was offered a lucrative new contract, one of the best in the Premier League. Perhaps he would have had a slightly smaller transfer budget, but I don't believe that key players would have been sold and I think he would have been supported. soton1980
  • Score: -3

6:47pm Sun 6 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
"Got chills when I heard You'll never walk alone" my @rse!

Whole situation stinks if you ask me. Does anyone else think our players have been tapped up?
I am in no doubt that they were tapped up.
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: "Got chills when I heard You'll never walk alone" my @rse! Whole situation stinks if you ask me. Does anyone else think our players have been tapped up?[/p][/quote]I am in no doubt that they were tapped up. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 7

6:52pm Sun 6 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

Confucious wrote:
I'm trying to think of a word to describe Lovren, but just can't manage it.

I think I'll see if I can find one using some of the letters in the word coconut.
Marve-louse too aye Confucious.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: I'm trying to think of a word to describe Lovren, but just can't manage it. I think I'll see if I can find one using some of the letters in the word coconut.[/p][/quote]Marve-louse too aye Confucious. warrens 76
  • Score: 1

6:54pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Chapperall says...

If this is true Lovren is just throwing his toys out the pram as he is not getting his own way. These football players need to get real and start looking around and see how lucky in life they are.
I can't help but wonder that these agents have been the curse here. I have said this before but something fishy is going on here, why does it feel we are being picked off one by one. Yet there are other teams who did well last season who are not being screwed around like this. Is it because there board are more wiser and ours is naive, or was it all cooked up by Poch and the so called want away stars when Cortose left?
Either way the supporters need to hear of some signings this week otherwise the unrest will continue to grow.
If this is true Lovren is just throwing his toys out the pram as he is not getting his own way. These football players need to get real and start looking around and see how lucky in life they are. I can't help but wonder that these agents have been the curse here. I have said this before but something fishy is going on here, why does it feel we are being picked off one by one. Yet there are other teams who did well last season who are not being screwed around like this. Is it because there board are more wiser and ours is naive, or was it all cooked up by Poch and the so called want away stars when Cortose left? Either way the supporters need to hear of some signings this week otherwise the unrest will continue to grow. Chapperall
  • Score: 1

6:55pm Sun 6 Jul 14

mickey01 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
"Got chills when I heard You'll never walk alone" my @rse!

Whole situation stinks if you ask me. Does anyone else think our players have been tapped up?
I am in no doubt that they were tapped up.
roy hodgeson secret agent
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: "Got chills when I heard You'll never walk alone" my @rse! Whole situation stinks if you ask me. Does anyone else think our players have been tapped up?[/p][/quote]I am in no doubt that they were tapped up.[/p][/quote]roy hodgeson secret agent mickey01
  • Score: 4

6:56pm Sun 6 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

SFC PRIDE OF THE SOUTH wrote:
With bad news everyday this like water off a duck's back. We lost our manager, we lost our best players and we are making our own kit. Any chance of us signing anyone soon? :-(
Just the teeniest hint from the Coach of FC Twente saying that Tadic will be coming to Southampton during the week ahead, wasn't played to avoid the risk of injury. Best I can offer at the moment.
[quote][p][bold]SFC PRIDE OF THE SOUTH[/bold] wrote: With bad news everyday this like water off a duck's back. We lost our manager, we lost our best players and we are making our own kit. Any chance of us signing anyone soon? :-([/p][/quote]Just the teeniest hint from the Coach of FC Twente saying that Tadic will be coming to Southampton during the week ahead, wasn't played to avoid the risk of injury. Best I can offer at the moment. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 6

6:57pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Costa Baz says...

I haven't read through, but perhaps the echo can ask if Lovren was one of the group of senior players that, according to another player at SMS, stopped putting in 100% effort following Cortese's departure and Pochettino's inability to tell him what was happening.

I've said before, but my take is that the players' claim that no one would talk to them, during the summer, is more likely to be, that they were told their concerns and issues would be dealt with, following the signing of a new manager.

Schneiderlin's conversation, with Koeman, IMO indicates that he, at least, understood the situation.
I haven't read through, but perhaps the echo can ask if Lovren was one of the group of senior players that, according to another player at SMS, stopped putting in 100% effort following Cortese's departure and Pochettino's inability to tell him what was happening. I've said before, but my take is that the players' claim that no one would talk to them, during the summer, is more likely to be, that they were told their concerns and issues would be dealt with, following the signing of a new manager. Schneiderlin's conversation, with Koeman, IMO indicates that he, at least, understood the situation. Costa Baz
  • Score: 12

7:01pm Sun 6 Jul 14

boilerman says...

Jan28th1984 wrote:
At last, someone from the inside who has spoken up about the club's direction.
We all thought it - those who said it were thumbs-downed to hell.
"Lack of ambition."
"...things had fallen apart,"
"....don't know who the main man is at the club anymore."

So there is the real reason why Poch and all the players are leaving...........th

e club doesn't want it.

You can't blame the players for wanting away and making the most of their careers, if the opportunity presents itself for them, which it has. Why stay at a club which only wants to go nowhere?

It makes me wonder why Koeman took the job - what did the board say to him? What is his mission? What are his goals?

And the supporters? Ach - don't worry about them! F*ck em! Whatever happens they will always turn up! They will always be there! They will always give up their time and money for the club!
Did we all think it ?
I don't remember this, since when do you speak for everyone ?
You are entitled to your'e opinion, but remember it is just your's the rest of us are more than capable of expressing our opinions for ourselves.
Cheers.
[quote][p][bold]Jan28th1984[/bold] wrote: At last, someone from the inside who has spoken up about the club's direction. We all thought it - those who said it were thumbs-downed to hell. "Lack of ambition." "...things had fallen apart," "....don't know who the main man is at the club anymore." So there is the real reason why Poch and all the players are leaving...........th e club doesn't want it. You can't blame the players for wanting away and making the most of their careers, if the opportunity presents itself for them, which it has. Why stay at a club which only wants to go nowhere? It makes me wonder why Koeman took the job - what did the board say to him? What is his mission? What are his goals? And the supporters? Ach - don't worry about them! F*ck em! Whatever happens they will always turn up! They will always be there! They will always give up their time and money for the club![/p][/quote]Did we all think it ? I don't remember this, since when do you speak for everyone ? You are entitled to your'e opinion, but remember it is just your's the rest of us are more than capable of expressing our opinions for ourselves. Cheers. boilerman
  • Score: 2

7:06pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Jan28th1984 says...

boilerman wrote:
Jan28th1984 wrote:
At last, someone from the inside who has spoken up about the club's direction.
We all thought it - those who said it were thumbs-downed to hell.
"Lack of ambition."
"...things had fallen apart,"
"....don't know who the main man is at the club anymore."

So there is the real reason why Poch and all the players are leaving...........th


e club doesn't want it.

You can't blame the players for wanting away and making the most of their careers, if the opportunity presents itself for them, which it has. Why stay at a club which only wants to go nowhere?

It makes me wonder why Koeman took the job - what did the board say to him? What is his mission? What are his goals?

And the supporters? Ach - don't worry about them! F*ck em! Whatever happens they will always turn up! They will always be there! They will always give up their time and money for the club!
Did we all think it ?
I don't remember this, since when do you speak for everyone ?
You are entitled to your'e opinion, but remember it is just your's the rest of us are more than capable of expressing our opinions for ourselves.
Cheers.
Thank you - I won't forget it.
[quote][p][bold]boilerman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jan28th1984[/bold] wrote: At last, someone from the inside who has spoken up about the club's direction. We all thought it - those who said it were thumbs-downed to hell. "Lack of ambition." "...things had fallen apart," "....don't know who the main man is at the club anymore." So there is the real reason why Poch and all the players are leaving...........th e club doesn't want it. You can't blame the players for wanting away and making the most of their careers, if the opportunity presents itself for them, which it has. Why stay at a club which only wants to go nowhere? It makes me wonder why Koeman took the job - what did the board say to him? What is his mission? What are his goals? And the supporters? Ach - don't worry about them! F*ck em! Whatever happens they will always turn up! They will always be there! They will always give up their time and money for the club![/p][/quote]Did we all think it ? I don't remember this, since when do you speak for everyone ? You are entitled to your'e opinion, but remember it is just your's the rest of us are more than capable of expressing our opinions for ourselves. Cheers.[/p][/quote]Thank you - I won't forget it. Jan28th1984
  • Score: 0

7:10pm Sun 6 Jul 14

george chivers says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
"Got chills when I heard You'll never walk alone" my @rse!

Whole situation stinks if you ask me. Does anyone else think our players have been tapped up?
I am in no doubt that they were tapped up.
Do you think we have never tapped up a player? Lawrie Mac was a genius at it. It is the way of the world in football from parks to the Premier League.
I was tapping up players for my old man's semi-pro Hampshire League Div 1 team when I was 16/17. You have to accept it. Everybody does it, it's part of the fabric of football.

Lower division players do it on the pitch during a game on the instructions of their manager.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: "Got chills when I heard You'll never walk alone" my @rse! Whole situation stinks if you ask me. Does anyone else think our players have been tapped up?[/p][/quote]I am in no doubt that they were tapped up.[/p][/quote]Do you think we have never tapped up a player? Lawrie Mac was a genius at it. It is the way of the world in football from parks to the Premier League. I was tapping up players for my old man's semi-pro Hampshire League Div 1 team when I was 16/17. You have to accept it. Everybody does it, it's part of the fabric of football. Lower division players do it on the pitch during a game on the instructions of their manager. george chivers
  • Score: 0

7:11pm Sun 6 Jul 14

InsideOutCat says...

How DARE that piece of sh!t blame anyone else. Did people question our ambition when we paid over the odds for a virtually unknown defender from a second rate league and turned him into a well known name in the PL? He was better than what we had but nothing like as good as what we can have.Let the big headed tw@t go for a huge fee and get exposed for what he really is without the protection he got in our setup.
How DARE that piece of sh!t blame anyone else. Did people question our ambition when we paid over the odds for a virtually unknown defender from a second rate league and turned him into a well known name in the PL? He was better than what we had but nothing like as good as what we can have.Let the big headed tw@t go for a huge fee and get exposed for what he really is without the protection he got in our setup. InsideOutCat
  • Score: 5

7:12pm Sun 6 Jul 14

happysaint says...

You'll never walk alone ..you love that so much Lovren but I recommend you'll never win fack all is better
You'll never walk alone ..you love that so much Lovren but I recommend you'll never win fack all is better happysaint
  • Score: 2

7:14pm Sun 6 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

jasons odd wrote:
Ron The Nod wrote:
Getting Koeman in shows we have ambition, this is just excuses by Lovren to try and justify why he is not sticking to his contract, good riddance and I look forward to welcoming him and all the other players who have turned their backs on us back next season....they need to remember that without Saints they would be very average players going nowhere.
Koeman has been sacked from nearly every managerial job he had . The ONLY successful job was at feyenoord , where he had to sell his best players and bring through young players to replace them .

Hmmmm ...A job with no money to spend where he was successful at introducing youth ???... Thats why Koeman got our job . Thats THE ONLY REASON
are you suggesting that MP had a better record and was more well known when NC appointed him? when MP was given the job almost everyone including the media said `who?`.
RK was successful at feyenoord despite selling his best players? did he sell his best players? did he have to sell the top scorer in the league? was he a youth player? to save you the bother the answer is no to both!

are you suggesting that despite all the promises and assurances RK will have little or no money to spend at the club?
to be honest I want a manager who is successful at bringing through youth players. I would much rather that than a manager like redkrapp or Brenda who don't bother with youth players and just spend and spend until the club fails! diverpooh will fail this year without the muncher and Brenda will be lucky to keep his job, he isn't that good a manager either, doe nothing much and was sacked from jobs until he got he diverpooh job, he ballsed up the run in and failed to protect a big lead at palace where everyone could see he needed to take a forward off but him, going for goal difference instead of the points, epic fail!
most managers get sacked at some point in their career, if you only tried to sign managers who hadn't it would be a very short list of mainly new managers!
[quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ron The Nod[/bold] wrote: Getting Koeman in shows we have ambition, this is just excuses by Lovren to try and justify why he is not sticking to his contract, good riddance and I look forward to welcoming him and all the other players who have turned their backs on us back next season....they need to remember that without Saints they would be very average players going nowhere.[/p][/quote]Koeman has been sacked from nearly every managerial job he had . The ONLY successful job was at feyenoord , where he had to sell his best players and bring through young players to replace them . Hmmmm ...A job with no money to spend where he was successful at introducing youth ???... Thats why Koeman got our job . Thats THE ONLY REASON[/p][/quote]are you suggesting that MP had a better record and was more well known when NC appointed him? when MP was given the job almost everyone including the media said `who?`. RK was successful at feyenoord despite selling his best players? did he sell his best players? did he have to sell the top scorer in the league? was he a youth player? to save you the bother the answer is no to both! are you suggesting that despite all the promises and assurances RK will have little or no money to spend at the club? to be honest I want a manager who is successful at bringing through youth players. I would much rather that than a manager like redkrapp or Brenda who don't bother with youth players and just spend and spend until the club fails! diverpooh will fail this year without the muncher and Brenda will be lucky to keep his job, he isn't that good a manager either, doe nothing much and was sacked from jobs until he got he diverpooh job, he ballsed up the run in and failed to protect a big lead at palace where everyone could see he needed to take a forward off but him, going for goal difference instead of the points, epic fail! most managers get sacked at some point in their career, if you only tried to sign managers who hadn't it would be a very short list of mainly new managers! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 1

7:18pm Sun 6 Jul 14

InsideOutCat says...

Mush On The Beach wrote:
Dejan in your mind your head may already be at Liverpool but in my mind it is firmly up your ar$e.
When will players and posters on here stop equating "ambition" with a sack of cash? By that reckoning Poopey were the most "ambitious" club in history. Only second raters like Lovren are desperate to go to clubs that buy success rather than create it from within. Yes, I KNOW football is a mercenary game but this is just beneath contempt.
[quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: Dejan in your mind your head may already be at Liverpool but in my mind it is firmly up your ar$e.[/p][/quote]When will players and posters on here stop equating "ambition" with a sack of cash? By that reckoning Poopey were the most "ambitious" club in history. Only second raters like Lovren are desperate to go to clubs that buy success rather than create it from within. Yes, I KNOW football is a mercenary game but this is just beneath contempt. InsideOutCat
  • Score: 3

7:20pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Saint_rob says...

I prefer "Oh when the Saints" - priceless.
All the other clubs copy it, can't even make their own tunes!
I prefer "Oh when the Saints" - priceless. All the other clubs copy it, can't even make their own tunes! Saint_rob
  • Score: 6

7:20pm Sun 6 Jul 14

WobblyCat says...

Enrico Palazzo wrote:
Wow, the level of naivety on here never ceases to amaze me. Players like Lovren are so transparent. They all want to double their wages and are just using the NC/MOPO situation to justify their disrespect for our club and all the fans are falling for it! If MOPO was still there they would still all leave and then he would use that as an excuse to force his own way out! Lallana, Shaw, Lovren et al were all gone before the end of the season. I don't necessarily begrudge them wanting Champions League football but for the fans to fall for their half-hearted excuses andame the clubis just sooooooo naïve! Tha said Lovren, in particular, is behaving disgracefully.
Agree. I was talking to a fellow saint in the pub yesterday and he said they're all leaving due to lack of ambition, what b0ll0cks! Koeman, cheap? Inexperienced? Unconnected? We have had some top players leave for Liverpool and Man Utd! It's unfortunate but the name of the game, cash out the big heads and lets roll again. Always Saints!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Enrico Palazzo[/bold] wrote: Wow, the level of naivety on here never ceases to amaze me. Players like Lovren are so transparent. They all want to double their wages and are just using the NC/MOPO situation to justify their disrespect for our club and all the fans are falling for it! If MOPO was still there they would still all leave and then he would use that as an excuse to force his own way out! Lallana, Shaw, Lovren et al were all gone before the end of the season. I don't necessarily begrudge them wanting Champions League football but for the fans to fall for their half-hearted excuses andame the clubis just sooooooo naïve! Tha said Lovren, in particular, is behaving disgracefully.[/p][/quote]Agree. I was talking to a fellow saint in the pub yesterday and he said they're all leaving due to lack of ambition, what b0ll0cks! Koeman, cheap? Inexperienced? Unconnected? We have had some top players leave for Liverpool and Man Utd! It's unfortunate but the name of the game, cash out the big heads and lets roll again. Always Saints!!!!!! WobblyCat
  • Score: 1

7:23pm Sun 6 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

george chivers wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
"Got chills when I heard You'll never walk alone" my @rse!

Whole situation stinks if you ask me. Does anyone else think our players have been tapped up?
I am in no doubt that they were tapped up.
Do you think we have never tapped up a player? Lawrie Mac was a genius at it. It is the way of the world in football from parks to the Premier League.
I was tapping up players for my old man's semi-pro Hampshire League Div 1 team when I was 16/17. You have to accept it. Everybody does it, it's part of the fabric of football.

Lower division players do it on the pitch during a game on the instructions of their manager.
Of course we have but that doesn't make it legal. The problem is proving it.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: "Got chills when I heard You'll never walk alone" my @rse! Whole situation stinks if you ask me. Does anyone else think our players have been tapped up?[/p][/quote]I am in no doubt that they were tapped up.[/p][/quote]Do you think we have never tapped up a player? Lawrie Mac was a genius at it. It is the way of the world in football from parks to the Premier League. I was tapping up players for my old man's semi-pro Hampshire League Div 1 team when I was 16/17. You have to accept it. Everybody does it, it's part of the fabric of football. Lower division players do it on the pitch during a game on the instructions of their manager.[/p][/quote]Of course we have but that doesn't make it legal. The problem is proving it. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

7:24pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Trish Good says...

Why doesn't he talk to the new manager first before just assuming the club has no ambition. He and all the players that have left have not given Kouman a chance at all. It is nothing to do with ambition on their part at all it is money that is talking and nothing else :(((
Why doesn't he talk to the new manager first before just assuming the club has no ambition. He and all the players that have left have not given Kouman a chance at all. It is nothing to do with ambition on their part at all it is money that is talking and nothing else :((( Trish Good
  • Score: 7

7:25pm Sun 6 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Just a thought, if we are bringing in a Serbian is it wise to keep a Croatian?
Just a thought, if we are bringing in a Serbian is it wise to keep a Croatian? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

7:26pm Sun 6 Jul 14

angus mc coatup says...

jasons odd wrote:
It was obvious to anyone with a brain that Southampton have no ambition now since Cortese left .

Cortese was the driving force , the one with ambition . Ms Liebherr cares little (or nothing ) for Southampton and certainly has no ambitions other than sustaining our PL status .

With Cortese and Pochettino gone , it HAS all fallen apart . An Ice Hockey yes man brought in , and a manager with a poor record and no PL experience .

I dont blame Lovren Lallana Shaw or Schneiderlin , or others for leaving a club with NO ambition ...Any player would seek a move under these circumstances
Yeah ! what have the Lieherrs ever done for us.....
[quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: It was obvious to anyone with a brain that Southampton have no ambition now since Cortese left . Cortese was the driving force , the one with ambition . Ms Liebherr cares little (or nothing ) for Southampton and certainly has no ambitions other than sustaining our PL status . With Cortese and Pochettino gone , it HAS all fallen apart . An Ice Hockey yes man brought in , and a manager with a poor record and no PL experience . I dont blame Lovren Lallana Shaw or Schneiderlin , or others for leaving a club with NO ambition ...Any player would seek a move under these circumstances[/p][/quote]Yeah ! what have the Lieherrs ever done for us..... angus mc coatup
  • Score: 3

7:28pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Enrico Palazzo says...

WobblyCat wrote:
Enrico Palazzo wrote:
Wow, the level of naivety on here never ceases to amaze me. Players like Lovren are so transparent. They all want to double their wages and are just using the NC/MOPO situation to justify their disrespect for our club and all the fans are falling for it! If MOPO was still there they would still all leave and then he would use that as an excuse to force his own way out! Lallana, Shaw, Lovren et al were all gone before the end of the season. I don't necessarily begrudge them wanting Champions League football but for the fans to fall for their half-hearted excuses andame the clubis just sooooooo naïve! Tha said Lovren, in particular, is behaving disgracefully.
Agree. I was talking to a fellow saint in the pub yesterday and he said they're all leaving due to lack of ambition, what b0ll0cks! Koeman, cheap? Inexperienced? Unconnected? We have had some top players leave for Liverpool and Man Utd! It's unfortunate but the name of the game, cash out the big heads and lets roll again. Always Saints!!!!!!
I am reeling from a score of -6 for my comment; ;o)
The appointment of Koeman, in my opinion, shows we still mean business and it could so easily have gone the other way (WBA!) If anything Koeman's appointment has shown the lie in the statements of people like DJ - whatever happens we are going to have some lively encounters with ex-players/managers next year; AL, LS, DJ?, MoPo, HR etc etc.

Final thought; whatever happens there will always be Burnley, Aston Villa, Leicester, QPR to pro us up!!
[quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Enrico Palazzo[/bold] wrote: Wow, the level of naivety on here never ceases to amaze me. Players like Lovren are so transparent. They all want to double their wages and are just using the NC/MOPO situation to justify their disrespect for our club and all the fans are falling for it! If MOPO was still there they would still all leave and then he would use that as an excuse to force his own way out! Lallana, Shaw, Lovren et al were all gone before the end of the season. I don't necessarily begrudge them wanting Champions League football but for the fans to fall for their half-hearted excuses andame the clubis just sooooooo naïve! Tha said Lovren, in particular, is behaving disgracefully.[/p][/quote]Agree. I was talking to a fellow saint in the pub yesterday and he said they're all leaving due to lack of ambition, what b0ll0cks! Koeman, cheap? Inexperienced? Unconnected? We have had some top players leave for Liverpool and Man Utd! It's unfortunate but the name of the game, cash out the big heads and lets roll again. Always Saints!!!!!![/p][/quote]I am reeling from a score of -6 for my comment; ;o) The appointment of Koeman, in my opinion, shows we still mean business and it could so easily have gone the other way (WBA!) If anything Koeman's appointment has shown the lie in the statements of people like DJ - whatever happens we are going to have some lively encounters with ex-players/managers next year; AL, LS, DJ?, MoPo, HR etc etc. Final thought; whatever happens there will always be Burnley, Aston Villa, Leicester, QPR to pro us up!! Enrico Palazzo
  • Score: -3

7:36pm Sun 6 Jul 14

seventieskeeper says...

Dejan Lovran - croat nut anagram Dejan Lovren - Turncoat
Dejan Lovran - croat nut anagram Dejan Lovren - Turncoat seventieskeeper
  • Score: 4

7:39pm Sun 6 Jul 14

tharg64 says...

FFS....get rid asap
FFS....get rid asap tharg64
  • Score: 6

7:39pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Chapperall says...

mickey01 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
"Got chills when I heard You'll never walk alone" my @rse!

Whole situation stinks if you ask me. Does anyone else think our players have been tapped up?
I am in no doubt that they were tapped up.
roy hodgeson secret agent
Hodges on might make a batter job at that than a national football manager. He and his team were clueless!
[quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: "Got chills when I heard You'll never walk alone" my @rse! Whole situation stinks if you ask me. Does anyone else think our players have been tapped up?[/p][/quote]I am in no doubt that they were tapped up.[/p][/quote]roy hodgeson secret agent[/p][/quote]Hodges on might make a batter job at that than a national football manager. He and his team were clueless! Chapperall
  • Score: 2

7:39pm Sun 6 Jul 14

deepheat says...

Total Dutch Football.com and Sky Sport Website - 06/07/14 - 6:19pm:-

Transfer news: Southampton target Dusan Tadic not risked by FC Twente in friendly .

FC Twente did not risk Southampton target Dusan Tadic in a friendly as he moves towards the exit door.
This past afternoon, Twente defeated Dutch amateur side VV Oldenzaal 14-1 in a pre-season friendly and Tadić was nowhere to be seen. When questioned on his whereabouts, Twente coach Alfred Schreuder, speaking to RTVOost.nl stated that “Everyone knows he is close to an agreement, we did not want to take a chance with him.”

The interviewer then suggested that could the Serbian be moving to Southampton and Schreuder replied: “There is a big chance that will happen”.

Could Tadic be in a Southampton Hotel tonight?
Total Dutch Football.com and Sky Sport Website - 06/07/14 - 6:19pm:- Transfer news: Southampton target Dusan Tadic not risked by FC Twente in friendly . FC Twente did not risk Southampton target Dusan Tadic in a friendly as he moves towards the exit door. This past afternoon, Twente defeated Dutch amateur side VV Oldenzaal 14-1 in a pre-season friendly and Tadić was nowhere to be seen. When questioned on his whereabouts, Twente coach Alfred Schreuder, speaking to RTVOost.nl stated that “Everyone knows he is close to an agreement, we did not want to take a chance with him.” The interviewer then suggested that could the Serbian be moving to Southampton and Schreuder replied: “There is a big chance that will happen”. Could Tadic be in a Southampton Hotel tonight? deepheat
  • Score: 7

7:39pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Dan Howard says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Just a thought, if we are bringing in a Serbian is it wise to keep a Croatian?
Let the boy moan
Let him have his 15 seconds of flouncing fame
Let him wave his little flag
Maybe he’s been lent an old HOS one
Let him complain
Let him show his true colours
Let him sign off his media statements prepared by his agent’s little PR agency
Let him be as petulant as he likes
The Kop may respect him but they’ll never like still less love him
Most of all, make him wait
Make him wait on his employers, Southampton Football Club
Let him be disposed of in our time and to our advantage
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Just a thought, if we are bringing in a Serbian is it wise to keep a Croatian?[/p][/quote]Let the boy moan Let him have his 15 seconds of flouncing fame Let him wave his little flag Maybe he’s been lent an old HOS one Let him complain Let him show his true colours Let him sign off his media statements prepared by his agent’s little PR agency Let him be as petulant as he likes The Kop may respect him but they’ll never like still less love him Most of all, make him wait Make him wait on his employers, Southampton Football Club Let him be disposed of in our time and to our advantage Dan Howard
  • Score: 3

7:52pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Chapperall says...

One would suggest the relationship between Saints and Liverpool is totally broken. Why don't they tell them to take a hike and look elsewhere, and this includes Judas at Spurs.
Then sit back and watch Lovren eat humble pie!
One would suggest the relationship between Saints and Liverpool is totally broken. Why don't they tell them to take a hike and look elsewhere, and this includes Judas at Spurs. Then sit back and watch Lovren eat humble pie! Chapperall
  • Score: 2

8:04pm Sun 6 Jul 14

george chivers says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
george chivers wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
"Got chills when I heard You'll never walk alone" my @rse!

Whole situation stinks if you ask me. Does anyone else think our players have been tapped up?
I am in no doubt that they were tapped up.
Do you think we have never tapped up a player? Lawrie Mac was a genius at it. It is the way of the world in football from parks to the Premier League.
I was tapping up players for my old man's semi-pro Hampshire League Div 1 team when I was 16/17. You have to accept it. Everybody does it, it's part of the fabric of football.

Lower division players do it on the pitch during a game on the instructions of their manager.
Of course we have but that doesn't make it legal. The problem is proving it.
No, but it does make it the way of the world and in that type of world clubs aren't going to pursue it because they do it themselves. Nobody is going to grass somebody else up. It doesn't matter if it's legal or not there are unwritten rules which are followed, as there are in all walks of life. As fans we have to live with it.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: "Got chills when I heard You'll never walk alone" my @rse! Whole situation stinks if you ask me. Does anyone else think our players have been tapped up?[/p][/quote]I am in no doubt that they were tapped up.[/p][/quote]Do you think we have never tapped up a player? Lawrie Mac was a genius at it. It is the way of the world in football from parks to the Premier League. I was tapping up players for my old man's semi-pro Hampshire League Div 1 team when I was 16/17. You have to accept it. Everybody does it, it's part of the fabric of football. Lower division players do it on the pitch during a game on the instructions of their manager.[/p][/quote]Of course we have but that doesn't make it legal. The problem is proving it.[/p][/quote]No, but it does make it the way of the world and in that type of world clubs aren't going to pursue it because they do it themselves. Nobody is going to grass somebody else up. It doesn't matter if it's legal or not there are unwritten rules which are followed, as there are in all walks of life. As fans we have to live with it. george chivers
  • Score: 0

8:18pm Sun 6 Jul 14

RealTalkSouthampton says...

Lets all be 100% honest. When LS,AL & RL were here we loved them and sung their praises on and off the pitch. Also when we were hear about how our former players like le tiss was being treated the majority backed the chairman. Now when players are leaving or wanting to leave we slag them and the formed chair.

Could it be Southampton FC fans that we actually reap what we have sown. We were prepared to lay down roll over and have our history re-written for success now... The biggest problem i have is that NC had more backbone and ambition than the fans as a collective.

For smaller clubs like ours the atmosphere and passion we have needs to inspire players to stay and we should stick our chests out and be proud of are history!

We shouldn't need to believe in the club, The club should follow our lead in our belief. Our hunger for success. Our hunger for the Southampton way with kids from the council estates of our city playing for Southampton and England. Only then will we command respect of the media and any player that walks into st Marys stadium.

Stop with the whissy,washy passive southampton fc fan and lets all grow some bullocks stop being sweet and innocent south coast team.

Why don't players talk about the amassing atmosphere they experienced when playing for the saints. Because it never was. Lets make Saint Mary's a fortress!
Lets all be 100% honest. When LS,AL & RL were here we loved them and sung their praises on and off the pitch. Also when we were hear about how our former players like le tiss was being treated the majority backed the chairman. Now when players are leaving or wanting to leave we slag them and the formed chair. Could it be Southampton FC fans that we actually reap what we have sown. We were prepared to lay down roll over and have our history re-written for success now... The biggest problem i have is that NC had more backbone and ambition than the fans as a collective. For smaller clubs like ours the atmosphere and passion we have needs to inspire players to stay and we should stick our chests out and be proud of are history! We shouldn't need to believe in the club, The club should follow our lead in our belief. Our hunger for success. Our hunger for the Southampton way with kids from the council estates of our city playing for Southampton and England. Only then will we command respect of the media and any player that walks into st Marys stadium. Stop with the whissy,washy passive southampton fc fan and lets all grow some bullocks stop being sweet and innocent south coast team. Why don't players talk about the amassing atmosphere they experienced when playing for the saints. Because it never was. Lets make Saint Mary's a fortress! RealTalkSouthampton
  • Score: 16

8:25pm Sun 6 Jul 14

GHamilton says...

Big big fan of Cortese though I was, any dreams he had for this club died when Marcus died...he might have had all the dreams, all the ambition and forsight; but it's Katharina who controlls the MONEY......and at the end of the day that's what counts. Lovern claims he doesn't know who runs this club, obviously totaly ignorant to what has been going on here for the last four years....
Big big fan of Cortese though I was, any dreams he had for this club died when Marcus died...he might have had all the dreams, all the ambition and forsight; but it's Katharina who controlls the MONEY......and at the end of the day that's what counts. Lovern claims he doesn't know who runs this club, obviously totaly ignorant to what has been going on here for the last four years.... GHamilton
  • Score: 3

8:26pm Sun 6 Jul 14

saintgibbo says...

Stroppy_gramps wrote:
jesus h christ will you people just calm down?

sack the board?
reed must go?
get a f*cking grip of yourselves!

If they go who is waiting in the wings? cortese? you really think so?

you are f*cking pathetic the lot of you, just look at yourselves crying on because of the comments of certain players engineering a move for themselves.
And those of you screaming about relegation should be ashamed of yourselves - NOT ONE BALL HAS BEEN KICKED YET. F*CKING GROW A PAIR.

you think KL wanted ANY of this?

the club is still going to be here first match of the season. And I will be there supporting them. if you can't handle that then step off the f*cking bus and go support the skates you passionless f*cktards.
What you saying then?;-)
[quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: jesus h christ will you people just calm down? sack the board? reed must go? get a f*cking grip of yourselves! If they go who is waiting in the wings? cortese? you really think so? you are f*cking pathetic the lot of you, just look at yourselves crying on because of the comments of certain players engineering a move for themselves. And those of you screaming about relegation should be ashamed of yourselves - NOT ONE BALL HAS BEEN KICKED YET. F*CKING GROW A PAIR. you think KL wanted ANY of this? the club is still going to be here first match of the season. And I will be there supporting them. if you can't handle that then step off the f*cking bus and go support the skates you passionless f*cktards.[/p][/quote]What you saying then?;-) saintgibbo
  • Score: 0

8:39pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

SaintSteve76 wrote:
When are some people going to start realising that the ambition is not as high as when cortese was at the club? I for one completely believe Lovren when he said he would have gladly stayed at the club if they had ambitions and kept key players. Why the mass exodus and players suddenly wanting to leave. Unfortunately the lack of ambition is obvious.
I've realised they're not going to realise SaintSteve, well not until it's too late.
[quote][p][bold]SaintSteve76[/bold] wrote: When are some people going to start realising that the ambition is not as high as when cortese was at the club? I for one completely believe Lovren when he said he would have gladly stayed at the club if they had ambitions and kept key players. Why the mass exodus and players suddenly wanting to leave. Unfortunately the lack of ambition is obvious.[/p][/quote]I've realised they're not going to realise SaintSteve, well not until it's too late. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 15

8:45pm Sun 6 Jul 14

jls217 says...

sparky130a wrote:
The silence from the board cannot continue. FFS, call a press conference tomorrow and state the aims of the club and transfer policy etc..

I agree with most that the wantaways should just go ( at the right price ) but the thing that worries me is we undermining our ability to attract quality players in by allowing this protracted farce to continue.

Let alone what it's doing to all the loyal fans. This hasn't even been going on for weeks, it's months. Ridiculous.
That is scheduled for Friday, you'll have to wait and see what is said then. Let's just hope we'll have a couple of new names to discuss before then.
[quote][p][bold]sparky130a[/bold] wrote: The silence from the board cannot continue. FFS, call a press conference tomorrow and state the aims of the club and transfer policy etc.. I agree with most that the wantaways should just go ( at the right price ) but the thing that worries me is we undermining our ability to attract quality players in by allowing this protracted farce to continue. Let alone what it's doing to all the loyal fans. This hasn't even been going on for weeks, it's months. Ridiculous.[/p][/quote]That is scheduled for Friday, you'll have to wait and see what is said then. Let's just hope we'll have a couple of new names to discuss before then. jls217
  • Score: -7

8:47pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Mush On The Beach wrote:
Dejan in your mind your head may already be at Liverpool but in my mind it is firmly up your ar$e.
Eloquent, Mush. Can't disagree.
[quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: Dejan in your mind your head may already be at Liverpool but in my mind it is firmly up your ar$e.[/p][/quote]Eloquent, Mush. Can't disagree. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 2

8:55pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Sammy2sheds says...

Les is the main man Dejan!
Just shows the what a job les and Ralph are doing.
Where is Ralph while the club implodes? Is he still on holiday?
This is a sad joke.kat appointed yes men who cannot run a premiership club.dejan is a dog and should be sold but also les and Ralph should stand down now.
Where are all the les lovers and hand in the sand happy clappers today?
Les is the main man Dejan! Just shows the what a job les and Ralph are doing. Where is Ralph while the club implodes? Is he still on holiday? This is a sad joke.kat appointed yes men who cannot run a premiership club.dejan is a dog and should be sold but also les and Ralph should stand down now. Where are all the les lovers and hand in the sand happy clappers today? Sammy2sheds
  • Score: 4

8:56pm Sun 6 Jul 14

long memory says...

saint usa wrote:
Well im back in ny now and here strange things are being spoken about us,it seems that the post about selling up are stars then the club just might be true.Had brunch with a banker friend who knows nothing about football and he was telling me, things .do not look good under miss K L
I told you the other day,don't come on here supplying us with nothing stories.Have you considered another name, Saint USA,try Walter Mitty.
[quote][p][bold]saint usa[/bold] wrote: Well im back in ny now and here strange things are being spoken about us,it seems that the post about selling up are stars then the club just might be true.Had brunch with a banker friend who knows nothing about football and he was telling me, things .do not look good under miss K L[/p][/quote]I told you the other day,don't come on here supplying us with nothing stories.Have you considered another name, Saint USA,try Walter Mitty. long memory
  • Score: -5

9:00pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

long memory wrote:
Bingo from Sholing wrote:
long memory wrote:
Jan28th1984 wrote:
At last, someone from the inside who has spoken up about the club's direction.
We all thought it - those who said it were thumbs-downed to hell.
"Lack of ambition."
"...things had fallen apart,"
"....don't know who the main man is at the club anymore."

So there is the real reason why Poch and all the players are leaving...........th




e club doesn't want it.

You can't blame the players for wanting away and making the most of their careers, if the opportunity presents itself for them, which it has. Why stay at a club which only wants to go nowhere?

It makes me wonder why Koeman took the job - what did the board say to him? What is his mission? What are his goals?

And the supporters? Ach - don't worry about them! F*ck em! Whatever happens they will always turn up! They will always be there! They will always give up their time and money for the club!
Why don't we wait and see what Ronko has to say at his press conference,this coming Friday, maybe there will be a couple of new players in by then, plus hear what he has to say,then we can possibly make a more balanced judgement, I am feeling very optimistic at the moment.
It is pointless trying to be positive in this situation. I know sometimes it helps to ignore the doom. However this is disgraceful, our club is in big trouble. These directors have to go now! They have overseen the departure of class players, have no plans, no ambition or Premiership standard players. Please join me and decry them, for in this situation being positive is not going to get the owner to sack the directors who are hopeless.
Bingo,we don't know what the board are planning.
A few weeks ago they were rubbish,then they brought in Ronko,and all was well,now all of a sudden they are rubbish again.
In two weeks time,we just might be saying what wonderful players they have purchased,though some on this sight would no doubt moan even if they acquired Messi.
Some would no doubt moan even if the Board acquired the Messiah.
[quote][p][bold]long memory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bingo from Sholing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]long memory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jan28th1984[/bold] wrote: At last, someone from the inside who has spoken up about the club's direction. We all thought it - those who said it were thumbs-downed to hell. "Lack of ambition." "...things had fallen apart," "....don't know who the main man is at the club anymore." So there is the real reason why Poch and all the players are leaving...........th e club doesn't want it. You can't blame the players for wanting away and making the most of their careers, if the opportunity presents itself for them, which it has. Why stay at a club which only wants to go nowhere? It makes me wonder why Koeman took the job - what did the board say to him? What is his mission? What are his goals? And the supporters? Ach - don't worry about them! F*ck em! Whatever happens they will always turn up! They will always be there! They will always give up their time and money for the club![/p][/quote]Why don't we wait and see what Ronko has to say at his press conference,this coming Friday, maybe there will be a couple of new players in by then, plus hear what he has to say,then we can possibly make a more balanced judgement, I am feeling very optimistic at the moment.[/p][/quote]It is pointless trying to be positive in this situation. I know sometimes it helps to ignore the doom. However this is disgraceful, our club is in big trouble. These directors have to go now! They have overseen the departure of class players, have no plans, no ambition or Premiership standard players. Please join me and decry them, for in this situation being positive is not going to get the owner to sack the directors who are hopeless.[/p][/quote]Bingo,we don't know what the board are planning. A few weeks ago they were rubbish,then they brought in Ronko,and all was well,now all of a sudden they are rubbish again. In two weeks time,we just might be saying what wonderful players they have purchased,though some on this sight would no doubt moan even if they acquired Messi.[/p][/quote]Some would no doubt moan even if the Board acquired the Messiah. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 4

9:01pm Sun 6 Jul 14

jls217 says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
Les Reed is the one that should leave. I have heard he is the one that put the knife in on NC to Miss K. Have you not noticed since NC has gone he is involved in everything it's like he owns the club.
I have said for a long time with Reed at our club we are Fu@ked.
REED OUT REED OUT REED OUT REED OUT REED OUT REED OUT REED OUT REED OUT
again is this the same les reed who NC appointed over4yrs ago? the same les reed that no one really cared about until NC left?
the same les reed that has instrumental in our youth policy for 4yrs, helping to bring through the likes of chambers, jwp, big sam, shaw etc etc?
the same les reed that has ensured our youth players get a chance in the first team squad?
the same les reed that is in charge of footballing maters and so is the person who comments to the press, making him the one we hear from?
the same les reed who authored the FA's official coaching manual, The Official FA Guide to Basic Team Coaching?

its easy to blame the person in charge when things don't go as well as hoped and so I guess les reed is the new target.

did you know that und NC we were running up huge debts and KL had to step in and pay off some herself? did you know that NC was making promises he knew he couldn't keep? why do you think he left when KL asked him to stay? what is happening now is a direct result of NC and his `vision` of getting into the champs league. yes we had some great players last season but with them and MP we still only finished 8th and a long way short of champs league. NC promised the players we would be competing for the title not just champs league, how many players would he have had to bring in to achieve that? how much would that have cost? no one wants the club to settle for mid-table safety every year, like Newcastle are happy to do with their owner not willing to invest but happy to sell, but we don't want to `do a poopey` and spend fortunes we haven't got! we finished 30pts away from mancy last year and 23pts away from 4th, did the players and some fans really think we could challenge that next season, even if we had kept all the player?
why you think les reed is to blame for any of that I will never know, but then I suppose people always want to blame someone, look at the treatment some fans gave to fox and guly!
Add to all that the following - It is entirely likely that through Les Reed, his contacts and reputation those new coaches we are talking about decided to join us.

What part do the dissenters think Les had in bringing in Koeman and attracting all the others who wanted to be part of the Saints set up during that competition.

I am no part of any Les Reed appreciation society, never met the bloke but I don't like ignorant hotheads attacking and making accusations against anyone who is not in a position to fight back. Especially when that person is doing his/her best to rectify a desperate situation such as the one Saints currently find themselves in. Unlike the dissenters who are doing nothing other than make a bad situation worse by attempting to worsen the dissent.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: Les Reed is the one that should leave. I have heard he is the one that put the knife in on NC to Miss K. Have you not noticed since NC has gone he is involved in everything it's like he owns the club. I have said for a long time with Reed at our club we are Fu@ked. REED OUT REED OUT REED OUT REED OUT REED OUT REED OUT REED OUT REED OUT[/p][/quote]again is this the same les reed who NC appointed over4yrs ago? the same les reed that no one really cared about until NC left? the same les reed that has instrumental in our youth policy for 4yrs, helping to bring through the likes of chambers, jwp, big sam, shaw etc etc? the same les reed that has ensured our youth players get a chance in the first team squad? the same les reed that is in charge of footballing maters and so is the person who comments to the press, making him the one we hear from? the same les reed who authored the FA's official coaching manual, The Official FA Guide to Basic Team Coaching? its easy to blame the person in charge when things don't go as well as hoped and so I guess les reed is the new target. did you know that und NC we were running up huge debts and KL had to step in and pay off some herself? did you know that NC was making promises he knew he couldn't keep? why do you think he left when KL asked him to stay? what is happening now is a direct result of NC and his `vision` of getting into the champs league. yes we had some great players last season but with them and MP we still only finished 8th and a long way short of champs league. NC promised the players we would be competing for the title not just champs league, how many players would he have had to bring in to achieve that? how much would that have cost? no one wants the club to settle for mid-table safety every year, like Newcastle are happy to do with their owner not willing to invest but happy to sell, but we don't want to `do a poopey` and spend fortunes we haven't got! we finished 30pts away from mancy last year and 23pts away from 4th, did the players and some fans really think we could challenge that next season, even if we had kept all the player? why you think les reed is to blame for any of that I will never know, but then I suppose people always want to blame someone, look at the treatment some fans gave to fox and guly![/p][/quote]Add to all that the following - It is entirely likely that through Les Reed, his contacts and reputation those new coaches we are talking about decided to join us. What part do the dissenters think Les had in bringing in Koeman and attracting all the others who wanted to be part of the Saints set up during that competition. I am no part of any Les Reed appreciation society, never met the bloke but I don't like ignorant hotheads attacking and making accusations against anyone who is not in a position to fight back. Especially when that person is doing his/her best to rectify a desperate situation such as the one Saints currently find themselves in. Unlike the dissenters who are doing nothing other than make a bad situation worse by attempting to worsen the dissent. jls217
  • Score: -7

9:03pm Sun 6 Jul 14

loosehead says...

Please help this Rugby man understand how any of you can think it's right what these players are saying?
Saints first season in the premier league saw them just managing to stay up so what club would promise players European football the next season?
Maybe they'd say our aim is to improve so we'll get to the position where we'll get european football but really the next season?
Looking at the results before Christmas yes fourth was realistic but after Christmas why were we losing to teams at home who we either beat or drew with away?
Only these players who are coming out with this or MOPO can answer this question.
Maybe the reason Cortese was released was because of these ridiculous promises which means these players knew this many before they went on to say about their love for Saints.
If I could see other players getting £100,000+ a week & I was in a contract I'd blame anyone else but me being greedy on my breaking or trying to break my contract so how can anyone agree with these players?
Please help this Rugby man understand how any of you can think it's right what these players are saying? Saints first season in the premier league saw them just managing to stay up so what club would promise players European football the next season? Maybe they'd say our aim is to improve so we'll get to the position where we'll get european football but really the next season? Looking at the results before Christmas yes fourth was realistic but after Christmas why were we losing to teams at home who we either beat or drew with away? Only these players who are coming out with this or MOPO can answer this question. Maybe the reason Cortese was released was because of these ridiculous promises which means these players knew this many before they went on to say about their love for Saints. If I could see other players getting £100,000+ a week & I was in a contract I'd blame anyone else but me being greedy on my breaking or trying to break my contract so how can anyone agree with these players? loosehead
  • Score: -2

9:05pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Chapperall says...

long memory wrote:
saint usa wrote:
Well im back in ny now and here strange things are being spoken about us,it seems that the post about selling up are stars then the club just might be true.Had brunch with a banker friend who knows nothing about football and he was telling me, things .do not look good under miss K L
I told you the other day,don't come on here supplying us with nothing stories.Have you considered another name, Saint USA,try Walter Mitty.
Agreed total tripe
[quote][p][bold]long memory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint usa[/bold] wrote: Well im back in ny now and here strange things are being spoken about us,it seems that the post about selling up are stars then the club just might be true.Had brunch with a banker friend who knows nothing about football and he was telling me, things .do not look good under miss K L[/p][/quote]I told you the other day,don't come on here supplying us with nothing stories.Have you considered another name, Saint USA,try Walter Mitty.[/p][/quote]Agreed total tripe Chapperall
  • Score: -6

9:14pm Sun 6 Jul 14

jls217 says...

http://www.nsno.co.u
k/everton-news/2014/
07/everton-ready-to-
make-offer-for-swedi
sh-winger/


Bloody hell! Skiverpool and the Coffees are determined to ruin our season!
I expect we might be able to buy or get someone on loan from Scunthorpe to help out.
http://www.nsno.co.u k/everton-news/2014/ 07/everton-ready-to- make-offer-for-swedi sh-winger/ Bloody hell! Skiverpool and the Coffees are determined to ruin our season! I expect we might be able to buy or get someone on loan from Scunthorpe to help out. jls217
  • Score: -7

9:15pm Sun 6 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
"Got chills when I heard You'll never walk alone" my @rse!

Whole situation stinks if you ask me. Does anyone else think our players have been tapped up?
I am in no doubt that they were tapped up.
are you guys living in the 80s !?!? it goes on ALL the time
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: "Got chills when I heard You'll never walk alone" my @rse! Whole situation stinks if you ask me. Does anyone else think our players have been tapped up?[/p][/quote]I am in no doubt that they were tapped up.[/p][/quote]are you guys living in the 80s !?!? it goes on ALL the time steekeemcglue
  • Score: 7

9:15pm Sun 6 Jul 14

holburysaint says...

Its the fans that keep clubs going by showing loyalty and continual support through thick and thin. Most modern players show loyalty until their agent informs them of the interest of BIGGER clubs and the mega bucks they can earn. If players threaten not to play chuck them in the reserves for a while then any interest in the player might fade away but if the club feels that the deal is worth doing then let go and just maybe their new career spent in a BIG SQUAD and sat on a bench in mid winter might not have been such a good idea. I really hope our new players will be great signings and the wantaways fall flat on their faces apart from maybe RL. No sour grapes eh.
Its the fans that keep clubs going by showing loyalty and continual support through thick and thin. Most modern players show loyalty until their agent informs them of the interest of BIGGER clubs and the mega bucks they can earn. If players threaten not to play chuck them in the reserves for a while then any interest in the player might fade away but if the club feels that the deal is worth doing then let go and just maybe their new career spent in a BIG SQUAD and sat on a bench in mid winter might not have been such a good idea. I really hope our new players will be great signings and the wantaways fall flat on their faces apart from maybe RL. No sour grapes eh. holburysaint
  • Score: -2

9:32pm Sun 6 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

steekeemcglue wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
"Got chills when I heard You'll never walk alone" my @rse!

Whole situation stinks if you ask me. Does anyone else think our players have been tapped up?
I am in no doubt that they were tapped up.
are you guys living in the 80s !?!? it goes on ALL the time
Who said it didn't?
[quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: "Got chills when I heard You'll never walk alone" my @rse! Whole situation stinks if you ask me. Does anyone else think our players have been tapped up?[/p][/quote]I am in no doubt that they were tapped up.[/p][/quote]are you guys living in the 80s !?!? it goes on ALL the time[/p][/quote]Who said it didn't? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

9:39pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Buddy SFC says...

Confucious wrote:
My heart weeps for poor Lovren. He came to Saints on a pittance, but only on the prospect of future fortune as a result of Nicola, who, on a mere £1.2m a year himself, promised to be in sole charge of spending many millions of someone else's money. Twenty million plus transfer fee debt carried over to this year - no worries. Training ground costs 100% overspent - no worries. Lack of ambition - no worries.

Then that nice Nicola and the wonderful Pochettino - both of whom would suffer any degree of personal hardship just to see the club's ambition prosper - were forced out by being forced not to agree to requests made of them to stay.

And now that evil board probably thinks Lovren and the rest of the wantaways and goneaways were just focussed on their own financial largesse rather than the wonderful fulfillment of the glorious ambition.

Meantime, we all know the board has a secret and darstardly plan - a dark plot to make the club a financially viable business. They will never be able to understand real ambition - ambition the like of which Leeds and Portsmouth once had; the sort of ambition oil rich Arab royalty and dodgy Russian oligarchs have.

Go then Dejan - don't suffer this awful situation any longer. You have been treated abominably - along with the greatly maligned Adam, Rickie and Luke. Us fans of course will stay - but let's face it, we simply don't deserve the likes of wonderful you.
Wonderful Confucious ........ My sentiments so much better expressed than myself, to all the idiots on here recently who believe KL and LR should sell our club down the river to achieve one year of glory !!

Like Lovren , F@ck Off and support one of those glory clubs so far in Debt there very future hangs by a thread !!
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: My heart weeps for poor Lovren. He came to Saints on a pittance, but only on the prospect of future fortune as a result of Nicola, who, on a mere £1.2m a year himself, promised to be in sole charge of spending many millions of someone else's money. Twenty million plus transfer fee debt carried over to this year - no worries. Training ground costs 100% overspent - no worries. Lack of ambition - no worries. Then that nice Nicola and the wonderful Pochettino - both of whom would suffer any degree of personal hardship just to see the club's ambition prosper - were forced out by being forced not to agree to requests made of them to stay. And now that evil board probably thinks Lovren and the rest of the wantaways and goneaways were just focussed on their own financial largesse rather than the wonderful fulfillment of the glorious ambition. Meantime, we all know the board has a secret and darstardly plan - a dark plot to make the club a financially viable business. They will never be able to understand real ambition - ambition the like of which Leeds and Portsmouth once had; the sort of ambition oil rich Arab royalty and dodgy Russian oligarchs have. Go then Dejan - don't suffer this awful situation any longer. You have been treated abominably - along with the greatly maligned Adam, Rickie and Luke. Us fans of course will stay - but let's face it, we simply don't deserve the likes of wonderful you.[/p][/quote]Wonderful Confucious ........ My sentiments so much better expressed than myself, to all the idiots on here recently who believe KL and LR should sell our club down the river to achieve one year of glory !! Like Lovren , F@ck Off and support one of those glory clubs so far in Debt there very future hangs by a thread !! Buddy SFC
  • Score: -1

9:40pm Sun 6 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
long memory wrote:
Bingo from Sholing wrote:
long memory wrote:
Jan28th1984 wrote:
At last, someone from the inside who has spoken up about the club's direction.
We all thought it - those who said it were thumbs-downed to hell.
"Lack of ambition."
"...things had fallen apart,"
"....don't know who the main man is at the club anymore."

So there is the real reason why Poch and all the players are leaving...........th





e club doesn't want it.

You can't blame the players for wanting away and making the most of their careers, if the opportunity presents itself for them, which it has. Why stay at a club which only wants to go nowhere?

It makes me wonder why Koeman took the job - what did the board say to him? What is his mission? What are his goals?

And the supporters? Ach - don't worry about them! F*ck em! Whatever happens they will always turn up! They will always be there! They will always give up their time and money for the club!
Why don't we wait and see what Ronko has to say at his press conference,this coming Friday, maybe there will be a couple of new players in by then, plus hear what he has to say,then we can possibly make a more balanced judgement, I am feeling very optimistic at the moment.
It is pointless trying to be positive in this situation. I know sometimes it helps to ignore the doom. However this is disgraceful, our club is in big trouble. These directors have to go now! They have overseen the departure of class players, have no plans, no ambition or Premiership standard players. Please join me and decry them, for in this situation being positive is not going to get the owner to sack the directors who are hopeless.
Bingo,we don't know what the board are planning.
A few weeks ago they were rubbish,then they brought in Ronko,and all was well,now all of a sudden they are rubbish again.
In two weeks time,we just might be saying what wonderful players they have purchased,though some on this sight would no doubt moan even if they acquired Messi.
Some would no doubt moan even if the Board acquired the Messiah.
Dejan is not the Messiah he is just a very naughty boy.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]long memory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bingo from Sholing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]long memory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jan28th1984[/bold] wrote: At last, someone from the inside who has spoken up about the club's direction. We all thought it - those who said it were thumbs-downed to hell. "Lack of ambition." "...things had fallen apart," "....don't know who the main man is at the club anymore." So there is the real reason why Poch and all the players are leaving...........th e club doesn't want it. You can't blame the players for wanting away and making the most of their careers, if the opportunity presents itself for them, which it has. Why stay at a club which only wants to go nowhere? It makes me wonder why Koeman took the job - what did the board say to him? What is his mission? What are his goals? And the supporters? Ach - don't worry about them! F*ck em! Whatever happens they will always turn up! They will always be there! They will always give up their time and money for the club![/p][/quote]Why don't we wait and see what Ronko has to say at his press conference,this coming Friday, maybe there will be a couple of new players in by then, plus hear what he has to say,then we can possibly make a more balanced judgement, I am feeling very optimistic at the moment.[/p][/quote]It is pointless trying to be positive in this situation. I know sometimes it helps to ignore the doom. However this is disgraceful, our club is in big trouble. These directors have to go now! They have overseen the departure of class players, have no plans, no ambition or Premiership standard players. Please join me and decry them, for in this situation being positive is not going to get the owner to sack the directors who are hopeless.[/p][/quote]Bingo,we don't know what the board are planning. A few weeks ago they were rubbish,then they brought in Ronko,and all was well,now all of a sudden they are rubbish again. In two weeks time,we just might be saying what wonderful players they have purchased,though some on this sight would no doubt moan even if they acquired Messi.[/p][/quote]Some would no doubt moan even if the Board acquired the Messiah.[/p][/quote]Dejan is not the Messiah he is just a very naughty boy. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 6

9:44pm Sun 6 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
steekeemcglue wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
"Got chills when I heard You'll never walk alone" my @rse!

Whole situation stinks if you ask me. Does anyone else think our players have been tapped up?
I am in no doubt that they were tapped up.
are you guys living in the 80s !?!? it goes on ALL the time
Who said it didn't?
Chelsea were caught at it (Ashley Cole) and received a ban, Harry said it happens all the time. I think it's time that the Rules were enforced, it's damaging the integrity of the game, again that's just my view on it.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: "Got chills when I heard You'll never walk alone" my @rse! Whole situation stinks if you ask me. Does anyone else think our players have been tapped up?[/p][/quote]I am in no doubt that they were tapped up.[/p][/quote]are you guys living in the 80s !?!? it goes on ALL the time[/p][/quote]Who said it didn't?[/p][/quote]Chelsea were caught at it (Ashley Cole) and received a ban, Harry said it happens all the time. I think it's time that the Rules were enforced, it's damaging the integrity of the game, again that's just my view on it. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 5

9:48pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Bartonlona says...

Let all the players that want to leave, we cannot afford to have players earning huge salaries without any commitment. You can't blame Lambert, it was his dream move. We got decent money for Shaw and we can get two players for his fee. Lallana was and is good but he is at his peek and will be on the downhill slide!
There are plenty of other players around and as KL she had to come in and get rid of NC as he was wasting her money, Osvaldo was and is a complete waste of time! We have plenty of money , we just have to spend it wisely and give Koeman a chance!
Let all the players that want to leave, we cannot afford to have players earning huge salaries without any commitment. You can't blame Lambert, it was his dream move. We got decent money for Shaw and we can get two players for his fee. Lallana was and is good but he is at his peek and will be on the downhill slide! There are plenty of other players around and as KL she had to come in and get rid of NC as he was wasting her money, Osvaldo was and is a complete waste of time! We have plenty of money , we just have to spend it wisely and give Koeman a chance! Bartonlona
  • Score: -1

9:52pm Sun 6 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

george chivers wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
george chivers wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
"Got chills when I heard You'll never walk alone" my @rse!

Whole situation stinks if you ask me. Does anyone else think our players have been tapped up?
I am in no doubt that they were tapped up.
Do you think we have never tapped up a player? Lawrie Mac was a genius at it. It is the way of the world in football from parks to the Premier League.
I was tapping up players for my old man's semi-pro Hampshire League Div 1 team when I was 16/17. You have to accept it. Everybody does it, it's part of the fabric of football.

Lower division players do it on the pitch during a game on the instructions of their manager.
Of course we have but that doesn't make it legal. The problem is proving it.
No, but it does make it the way of the world and in that type of world clubs aren't going to pursue it because they do it themselves. Nobody is going to grass somebody else up. It doesn't matter if it's legal or not there are unwritten rules which are followed, as there are in all walks of life. As fans we have to live with it.
Fair point, but it isn't the Clubs job to enforce the Rules, just to obey them, that should come from higher up, otherwise there would be no point having rules in the first place. The beautiful game is being corrupted enough already, this is something to take issue with and make examples of, and I don't exempt my own team if they get caught.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: "Got chills when I heard You'll never walk alone" my @rse! Whole situation stinks if you ask me. Does anyone else think our players have been tapped up?[/p][/quote]I am in no doubt that they were tapped up.[/p][/quote]Do you think we have never tapped up a player? Lawrie Mac was a genius at it. It is the way of the world in football from parks to the Premier League. I was tapping up players for my old man's semi-pro Hampshire League Div 1 team when I was 16/17. You have to accept it. Everybody does it, it's part of the fabric of football. Lower division players do it on the pitch during a game on the instructions of their manager.[/p][/quote]Of course we have but that doesn't make it legal. The problem is proving it.[/p][/quote]No, but it does make it the way of the world and in that type of world clubs aren't going to pursue it because they do it themselves. Nobody is going to grass somebody else up. It doesn't matter if it's legal or not there are unwritten rules which are followed, as there are in all walks of life. As fans we have to live with it.[/p][/quote]Fair point, but it isn't the Clubs job to enforce the Rules, just to obey them, that should come from higher up, otherwise there would be no point having rules in the first place. The beautiful game is being corrupted enough already, this is something to take issue with and make examples of, and I don't exempt my own team if they get caught. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

9:56pm Sun 6 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
SaintSteve76 wrote:
When are some people going to start realising that the ambition is not as high as when cortese was at the club? I for one completely believe Lovren when he said he would have gladly stayed at the club if they had ambitions and kept key players. Why the mass exodus and players suddenly wanting to leave. Unfortunately the lack of ambition is obvious.
I've realised they're not going to realise SaintSteve, well not until it's too late.
The question is, was the ambition reduced before the traitors fled, or is it reduced because they ran away?
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintSteve76[/bold] wrote: When are some people going to start realising that the ambition is not as high as when cortese was at the club? I for one completely believe Lovren when he said he would have gladly stayed at the club if they had ambitions and kept key players. Why the mass exodus and players suddenly wanting to leave. Unfortunately the lack of ambition is obvious.[/p][/quote]I've realised they're not going to realise SaintSteve, well not until it's too late.[/p][/quote]The question is, was the ambition reduced before the traitors fled, or is it reduced because they ran away? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

9:58pm Sun 6 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

oh look sammy2braincells is back and the thumbs up and down go all stupid again, what a shock!!!!! does it really think we cant see what its doing?

Enrico Palazzo hats why you got so many thumbs down, sammy2braincells thinks its either funny or clever or both to do this. I think it does it to make its inane comments look popular. 2braincells is in a world of its own so I wouldn't worry about the thumbs down thing when its around!
oh look sammy2braincells is back and the thumbs up and down go all stupid again, what a shock!!!!! does it really think we cant see what its doing? Enrico Palazzo hats why you got so many thumbs down, sammy2braincells thinks its either funny or clever or both to do this. I think it does it to make its inane comments look popular. 2braincells is in a world of its own so I wouldn't worry about the thumbs down thing when its around! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: -7

10:00pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Halo Saint says...

Dear Dejan
Surely you should know not to get excited !! Its like a child hearing Disney world and getting the wrong idea because they never heard the ( we cant afford ) it bit & are extremely upset when they arrive at Skegness !!
YOU are a SAINTS player so your head shouldnt be at liverpool or up your own backside or in the clouds even ! You should be concentrating on keeping fit & being happy at the club you are at !!
Koeman will bring in decent players ( we hope) & Europe is possible,we only just missed out last season so my advice is like LE GODS!!

SHUT IT AND DO YOUR JOB THE SOUTHAMPTON WAY AT SOUTHAMPTON.
You dont always get what you want in life ( and you could rot your contract out in the reserves )!!

COYS
Dear Dejan Surely you should know not to get excited !! Its like a child hearing Disney world and getting the wrong idea because they never heard the ( we cant afford ) it bit & are extremely upset when they arrive at Skegness !! YOU are a SAINTS player so your head shouldnt be at liverpool or up your own backside or in the clouds even ! You should be concentrating on keeping fit & being happy at the club you are at !! Koeman will bring in decent players ( we hope) & Europe is possible,we only just missed out last season so my advice is like LE GODS!! SHUT IT AND DO YOUR JOB THE SOUTHAMPTON WAY AT SOUTHAMPTON. You dont always get what you want in life ( and you could rot your contract out in the reserves )!! COYS Halo Saint
  • Score: 4

10:02pm Sun 6 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
Les is the main man Dejan!
Just shows the what a job les and Ralph are doing.
Where is Ralph while the club implodes? Is he still on holiday?
This is a sad joke.kat appointed yes men who cannot run a premiership club.dejan is a dog and should be sold but also les and Ralph should stand down now.
Where are all the les lovers and hand in the sand happy clappers today?
Still here, having to put up with reading your attempts at WUMing which is getting very repetitious and boring.
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Les is the main man Dejan! Just shows the what a job les and Ralph are doing. Where is Ralph while the club implodes? Is he still on holiday? This is a sad joke.kat appointed yes men who cannot run a premiership club.dejan is a dog and should be sold but also les and Ralph should stand down now. Where are all the les lovers and hand in the sand happy clappers today?[/p][/quote]Still here, having to put up with reading your attempts at WUMing which is getting very repetitious and boring. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

10:08pm Sun 6 Jul 14

saints80 says...

It's all just an excuse for behaving like a child. We are certainly not lacking ambition. On paper , koeman is the greater manager than mopo. Lambert left for his boyhood club and shaw was going to a big club in man u. Lallana and lovren is a different story. They never even spoke to koeman to hear his plans and potential recruitments. Surely he should have spoken to him and I hope for the same from schneiderlin.
Katarina clearly never liked cortese so brought in her own. It shows a lack of football knowledge and naivety but not ambition. Lovren is full of it!
In lovren we
Cannot
Understand
Nor
Trust
It's all just an excuse for behaving like a child. We are certainly not lacking ambition. On paper , koeman is the greater manager than mopo. Lambert left for his boyhood club and shaw was going to a big club in man u. Lallana and lovren is a different story. They never even spoke to koeman to hear his plans and potential recruitments. Surely he should have spoken to him and I hope for the same from schneiderlin. Katarina clearly never liked cortese so brought in her own. It shows a lack of football knowledge and naivety but not ambition. Lovren is full of it! In lovren we Cannot Understand Nor Trust saints80
  • Score: 0

10:23pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Plastic Saint says...

Sad to see so many signing up to this 'lack of ambition' rubbish. Mopo was always Corteses puppet and the only surprise was that he didnt leave at the same time. My guess is that he saw our league position and thought that he had a chance of a European spot which would look great on his CV. Players asked him questions to which at the time he had no answers and some have taken that to mean the ambition has gone. Lallana and Shaw are both replaceable for half what Saints got for them so it made good sense to sell them. Lovren is not so easily replaced hence the clubs stance, surely this shows the ambition he believes has gone? Morgan is in a great position and is using his head. If and when Saints make some quality signings I believe he will see that the club are still on the right course and stay on board. If he jumps at least he has served his time well with us unlike Lovren who needs to knuckle down and give us the service we paid for.
Sad to see so many signing up to this 'lack of ambition' rubbish. Mopo was always Corteses puppet and the only surprise was that he didnt leave at the same time. My guess is that he saw our league position and thought that he had a chance of a European spot which would look great on his CV. Players asked him questions to which at the time he had no answers and some have taken that to mean the ambition has gone. Lallana and Shaw are both replaceable for half what Saints got for them so it made good sense to sell them. Lovren is not so easily replaced hence the clubs stance, surely this shows the ambition he believes has gone? Morgan is in a great position and is using his head. If and when Saints make some quality signings I believe he will see that the club are still on the right course and stay on board. If he jumps at least he has served his time well with us unlike Lovren who needs to knuckle down and give us the service we paid for. Plastic Saint
  • Score: 0

10:38pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Malcombe says...

The song that is dominating Lovren's head is Money money money and that's why he wants to leave, all the excuses he's spouting are pathetic and plucked out of the air he obviously can't admit it's money, I read on BBC Sport Gossip that Arsenal will pay a Player £150000 a week does Southampton pay that to Players? I was suspicious of Roy Hodgson constantly watching at St Marys and IMO he had some connection with the Players exodus by spying for Liverpool and other Clubs, I was watching MOTD one night and Gary L said after seeing the first clip of a game at St Marys, And Roy's there using his season ticket so IMO the Players were tapped and want and wanted away for money no other reasons. Southampton FC ambitions haven't changed NO WAY it's in overdrive to go onwards and upwards, the excuses from the Players are a smoke screen to get more money money money including a massive heap of insincerity and bulls doo but the Club will live on and are hungry for more success far more than finishing 8th last season that was just the starter COYR
The song that is dominating Lovren's head is Money money money and that's why he wants to leave, all the excuses he's spouting are pathetic and plucked out of the air he obviously can't admit it's money, I read on BBC Sport Gossip that Arsenal will pay a Player £150000 a week does Southampton pay that to Players? I was suspicious of Roy Hodgson constantly watching at St Marys and IMO he had some connection with the Players exodus by spying for Liverpool and other Clubs, I was watching MOTD one night and Gary L said after seeing the first clip of a game at St Marys, And Roy's there using his season ticket so IMO the Players were tapped and want and wanted away for money no other reasons. Southampton FC ambitions haven't changed NO WAY it's in overdrive to go onwards and upwards, the excuses from the Players are a smoke screen to get more money money money including a massive heap of insincerity and bulls doo but the Club will live on and are hungry for more success far more than finishing 8th last season that was just the starter COYR Malcombe
  • Score: -1

10:44pm Sun 6 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

RealTalkSouthampton wrote:
Lets all be 100% honest. When LS,AL & RL were here we loved them and sung their praises on and off the pitch. Also when we were hear about how our former players like le tiss was being treated the majority backed the chairman. Now when players are leaving or wanting to leave we slag them and the formed chair.

Could it be Southampton FC fans that we actually reap what we have sown. We were prepared to lay down roll over and have our history re-written for success now... The biggest problem i have is that NC had more backbone and ambition than the fans as a collective.

For smaller clubs like ours the atmosphere and passion we have needs to inspire players to stay and we should stick our chests out and be proud of are history!

We shouldn't need to believe in the club, The club should follow our lead in our belief. Our hunger for success. Our hunger for the Southampton way with kids from the council estates of our city playing for Southampton and England. Only then will we command respect of the media and any player that walks into st Marys stadium.

Stop with the whissy,washy passive southampton fc fan and lets all grow some bullocks stop being sweet and innocent south coast team.

Why don't players talk about the amassing atmosphere they experienced when playing for the saints. Because it never was. Lets make Saint Mary's a fortress!
the name st marys is a bit soft..The Coliseum would have some power to it.
[quote][p][bold]RealTalkSouthampton[/bold] wrote: Lets all be 100% honest. When LS,AL & RL were here we loved them and sung their praises on and off the pitch. Also when we were hear about how our former players like le tiss was being treated the majority backed the chairman. Now when players are leaving or wanting to leave we slag them and the formed chair. Could it be Southampton FC fans that we actually reap what we have sown. We were prepared to lay down roll over and have our history re-written for success now... The biggest problem i have is that NC had more backbone and ambition than the fans as a collective. For smaller clubs like ours the atmosphere and passion we have needs to inspire players to stay and we should stick our chests out and be proud of are history! We shouldn't need to believe in the club, The club should follow our lead in our belief. Our hunger for success. Our hunger for the Southampton way with kids from the council estates of our city playing for Southampton and England. Only then will we command respect of the media and any player that walks into st Marys stadium. Stop with the whissy,washy passive southampton fc fan and lets all grow some bullocks stop being sweet and innocent south coast team. Why don't players talk about the amassing atmosphere they experienced when playing for the saints. Because it never was. Lets make Saint Mary's a fortress![/p][/quote]the name st marys is a bit soft..The Coliseum would have some power to it. warrens 76
  • Score: 4

10:52pm Sun 6 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

Plastic Saint wrote:
Sad to see so many signing up to this 'lack of ambition' rubbish. Mopo was always Corteses puppet and the only surprise was that he didnt leave at the same time. My guess is that he saw our league position and thought that he had a chance of a European spot which would look great on his CV. Players asked him questions to which at the time he had no answers and some have taken that to mean the ambition has gone. Lallana and Shaw are both replaceable for half what Saints got for them so it made good sense to sell them. Lovren is not so easily replaced hence the clubs stance, surely this shows the ambition he believes has gone? Morgan is in a great position and is using his head. If and when Saints make some quality signings I believe he will see that the club are still on the right course and stay on board. If he jumps at least he has served his time well with us unlike Lovren who needs to knuckle down and give us the service we paid for.
great post... regards ambition... we need a bigger stadium if we are serious... and a community stadium in Hedge is possible and was never even a twinkle in the eye of the so-called ambitious NC....
[quote][p][bold]Plastic Saint[/bold] wrote: Sad to see so many signing up to this 'lack of ambition' rubbish. Mopo was always Corteses puppet and the only surprise was that he didnt leave at the same time. My guess is that he saw our league position and thought that he had a chance of a European spot which would look great on his CV. Players asked him questions to which at the time he had no answers and some have taken that to mean the ambition has gone. Lallana and Shaw are both replaceable for half what Saints got for them so it made good sense to sell them. Lovren is not so easily replaced hence the clubs stance, surely this shows the ambition he believes has gone? Morgan is in a great position and is using his head. If and when Saints make some quality signings I believe he will see that the club are still on the right course and stay on board. If he jumps at least he has served his time well with us unlike Lovren who needs to knuckle down and give us the service we paid for.[/p][/quote]great post... regards ambition... we need a bigger stadium if we are serious... and a community stadium in Hedge is possible and was never even a twinkle in the eye of the so-called ambitious NC.... steekeemcglue
  • Score: -10

10:56pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

steekeemcglue wrote:
Plastic Saint wrote:
Sad to see so many signing up to this 'lack of ambition' rubbish. Mopo was always Corteses puppet and the only surprise was that he didnt leave at the same time. My guess is that he saw our league position and thought that he had a chance of a European spot which would look great on his CV. Players asked him questions to which at the time he had no answers and some have taken that to mean the ambition has gone. Lallana and Shaw are both replaceable for half what Saints got for them so it made good sense to sell them. Lovren is not so easily replaced hence the clubs stance, surely this shows the ambition he believes has gone? Morgan is in a great position and is using his head. If and when Saints make some quality signings I believe he will see that the club are still on the right course and stay on board. If he jumps at least he has served his time well with us unlike Lovren who needs to knuckle down and give us the service we paid for.
great post... regards ambition... we need a bigger stadium if we are serious... and a community stadium in Hedge is possible and was never even a twinkle in the eye of the so-called ambitious NC....
I'm happy if the new board spend the money on a new ground and not short term league position. Do you think they will?
[quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plastic Saint[/bold] wrote: Sad to see so many signing up to this 'lack of ambition' rubbish. Mopo was always Corteses puppet and the only surprise was that he didnt leave at the same time. My guess is that he saw our league position and thought that he had a chance of a European spot which would look great on his CV. Players asked him questions to which at the time he had no answers and some have taken that to mean the ambition has gone. Lallana and Shaw are both replaceable for half what Saints got for them so it made good sense to sell them. Lovren is not so easily replaced hence the clubs stance, surely this shows the ambition he believes has gone? Morgan is in a great position and is using his head. If and when Saints make some quality signings I believe he will see that the club are still on the right course and stay on board. If he jumps at least he has served his time well with us unlike Lovren who needs to knuckle down and give us the service we paid for.[/p][/quote]great post... regards ambition... we need a bigger stadium if we are serious... and a community stadium in Hedge is possible and was never even a twinkle in the eye of the so-called ambitious NC....[/p][/quote]I'm happy if the new board spend the money on a new ground and not short term league position. Do you think they will? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 7

11:42pm Sun 6 Jul 14

petethephantom says...

Bottom line
Judas poisoned the minds of the ones around him, the ones he trusted and the ones he liked the most. He lost his master in the Italian Dictator, and threatened then to throw his toys out of the pram when the Dictator left, and made his mind up then and there that he was leaving, and would do anything in his power to slowly erode the fabric of the club, but to make him look like the utter most professional and a saviour. The team he put out in the FA cup at sunderland and replacing players at vital times of games, with the amount of procession of the football we had, and with 8th place long wrapped up basically just before the end of Janurary , then to make sure we didn't get any higher making sure no Europe. Then part II of judas plan was to poison the minds of the ones around ( Rickie different entirely, but the others were money grabbers and listened and believed the rubbish being dribbled by Judas and he dictator.
For me our new manager and our new players that will start to arrive this week will give new opptomisum and greater belief in the the manager, the players, the club, the supporters and the future.
Bottom line Judas poisoned the minds of the ones around him, the ones he trusted and the ones he liked the most. He lost his master in the Italian Dictator, and threatened then to throw his toys out of the pram when the Dictator left, and made his mind up then and there that he was leaving, and would do anything in his power to slowly erode the fabric of the club, but to make him look like the utter most professional and a saviour. The team he put out in the FA cup at sunderland and replacing players at vital times of games, with the amount of procession of the football we had, and with 8th place long wrapped up basically just before the end of Janurary , then to make sure we didn't get any higher making sure no Europe. Then part II of judas plan was to poison the minds of the ones around ( Rickie different entirely, but the others were money grabbers and listened and believed the rubbish being dribbled by Judas and he dictator. For me our new manager and our new players that will start to arrive this week will give new opptomisum and greater belief in the the manager, the players, the club, the supporters and the future. petethephantom
  • Score: 2

11:59pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Jesus_02 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
george chivers wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
george chivers wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
"Got chills when I heard You'll never walk alone" my @rse!

Whole situation stinks if you ask me. Does anyone else think our players have been tapped up?
I am in no doubt that they were tapped up.
Do you think we have never tapped up a player? Lawrie Mac was a genius at it. It is the way of the world in football from parks to the Premier League.
I was tapping up players for my old man's semi-pro Hampshire League Div 1 team when I was 16/17. You have to accept it. Everybody does it, it's part of the fabric of football.

Lower division players do it on the pitch during a game on the instructions of their manager.
Of course we have but that doesn't make it legal. The problem is proving it.
No, but it does make it the way of the world and in that type of world clubs aren't going to pursue it because they do it themselves. Nobody is going to grass somebody else up. It doesn't matter if it's legal or not there are unwritten rules which are followed, as there are in all walks of life. As fans we have to live with it.
Fair point, but it isn't the Clubs job to enforce the Rules, just to obey them, that should come from higher up, otherwise there would be no point having rules in the first place. The beautiful game is being corrupted enough already, this is something to take issue with and make examples of, and I don't exempt my own team if they get caught.
there needs to be serious questions asked about tapping up. yes saints may have done it in the 70s but there where no rules against it then. If you read Loverns quote it is riddeled with clues . How would his " friend" know about the offer of 20m? Even with Rickie it was he himself thst informed the club that he wanted to go to Liverpool, and lets face it they onlybwanted him to get at Lallana. Personally i hope the vampire deal falls through and they get saddled with bills they cant pay.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: "Got chills when I heard You'll never walk alone" my @rse! Whole situation stinks if you ask me. Does anyone else think our players have been tapped up?[/p][/quote]I am in no doubt that they were tapped up.[/p][/quote]Do you think we have never tapped up a player? Lawrie Mac was a genius at it. It is the way of the world in football from parks to the Premier League. I was tapping up players for my old man's semi-pro Hampshire League Div 1 team when I was 16/17. You have to accept it. Everybody does it, it's part of the fabric of football. Lower division players do it on the pitch during a game on the instructions of their manager.[/p][/quote]Of course we have but that doesn't make it legal. The problem is proving it.[/p][/quote]No, but it does make it the way of the world and in that type of world clubs aren't going to pursue it because they do it themselves. Nobody is going to grass somebody else up. It doesn't matter if it's legal or not there are unwritten rules which are followed, as there are in all walks of life. As fans we have to live with it.[/p][/quote]Fair point, but it isn't the Clubs job to enforce the Rules, just to obey them, that should come from higher up, otherwise there would be no point having rules in the first place. The beautiful game is being corrupted enough already, this is something to take issue with and make examples of, and I don't exempt my own team if they get caught.[/p][/quote]there needs to be serious questions asked about tapping up. yes saints may have done it in the 70s but there where no rules against it then. If you read Loverns quote it is riddeled with clues . How would his " friend" know about the offer of 20m? Even with Rickie it was he himself thst informed the club that he wanted to go to Liverpool, and lets face it they onlybwanted him to get at Lallana. Personally i hope the vampire deal falls through and they get saddled with bills they cant pay. Jesus_02
  • Score: 0

12:39am Mon 7 Jul 14

Crispinmumbles says...

F@*k em all. How dare these mercenary tossers treat the club that gave them a platform to succeed with so little respect. If they don't want to play, stick em in the reserves and fine them two weeks wages every time they don't turn up. We won't end up paying their wages but will show them that contracts mean something. Utter scum and I cant wait till they come back if they do get moves. fecking a-holes, an insult to the happily returned stripes. Meanwhile, We are on the point of signing two quality acts from Holland, life goes on but don't p*ss down my neck and tell me it's raining after I paid your wages watching the **** you dished up against Cardiff & West Ham.
F@*k em all. How dare these mercenary tossers treat the club that gave them a platform to succeed with so little respect. If they don't want to play, stick em in the reserves and fine them two weeks wages every time they don't turn up. We won't end up paying their wages but will show them that contracts mean something. Utter scum and I cant wait till they come back if they do get moves. fecking a-holes, an insult to the happily returned stripes. Meanwhile, We are on the point of signing two quality acts from Holland, life goes on but don't p*ss down my neck and tell me it's raining after I paid your wages watching the **** you dished up against Cardiff & West Ham. Crispinmumbles
  • Score: 5

2:57am Mon 7 Jul 14

Slick Saint says...

notaclue wrote:
Slag him off all you like at least he is brave enough to say it to our faces.
Adz, Rickie, MoPo, Cortese all thought the same.
Cortese made promises he had no right to make. He was trying to spend a money before he was given it. And he signed Dani and Wanyama. Great signings not!

I would let Lovren rot in the reserves to show the rest what happens, but the board should have done that with AL
[quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: Slag him off all you like at least he is brave enough to say it to our faces. Adz, Rickie, MoPo, Cortese all thought the same.[/p][/quote]Cortese made promises he had no right to make. He was trying to spend a money before he was given it. And he signed Dani and Wanyama. Great signings not! I would let Lovren rot in the reserves to show the rest what happens, but the board should have done that with AL Slick Saint
  • Score: 1

3:12am Mon 7 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
SaintSteve76 wrote:
When are some people going to start realising that the ambition is not as high as when cortese was at the club? I for one completely believe Lovren when he said he would have gladly stayed at the club if they had ambitions and kept key players. Why the mass exodus and players suddenly wanting to leave. Unfortunately the lack of ambition is obvious.
I've realised they're not going to realise SaintSteve, well not until it's too late.
I think most people realise that the ambition has changed. What we disagree about is how much. Not that it really matters because there's absolutely not a lot we can do about it whatever we believe.

In my opinion, we were 30 – 50 million away from a very good crack at a champions league spot, but it's not my 30 – 50 million that could potentially have been lost if we had failed. Also, if we had failed, we would only be going through the same agony of losing some of our best players at the end of the season.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintSteve76[/bold] wrote: When are some people going to start realising that the ambition is not as high as when cortese was at the club? I for one completely believe Lovren when he said he would have gladly stayed at the club if they had ambitions and kept key players. Why the mass exodus and players suddenly wanting to leave. Unfortunately the lack of ambition is obvious.[/p][/quote]I've realised they're not going to realise SaintSteve, well not until it's too late.[/p][/quote]I think most people realise that the ambition has changed. What we disagree about is how much. Not that it really matters because there's absolutely not a lot we can do about it whatever we believe. In my opinion, we were 30 – 50 million away from a very good crack at a champions league spot, but it's not my 30 – 50 million that could potentially have been lost if we had failed. Also, if we had failed, we would only be going through the same agony of losing some of our best players at the end of the season. Rising_Son
  • Score: 0

3:15am Mon 7 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

Slick Saint wrote:
notaclue wrote:
Slag him off all you like at least he is brave enough to say it to our faces.
Adz, Rickie, MoPo, Cortese all thought the same.
Cortese made promises he had no right to make. He was trying to spend a money before he was given it. And he signed Dani and Wanyama. Great signings not!

I would let Lovren rot in the reserves to show the rest what happens, but the board should have done that with AL
I think Wanyama was a pretty decent signing. I think the difference in the results when he played and when he didn't warrant that evaluation.
[quote][p][bold]Slick Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: Slag him off all you like at least he is brave enough to say it to our faces. Adz, Rickie, MoPo, Cortese all thought the same.[/p][/quote]Cortese made promises he had no right to make. He was trying to spend a money before he was given it. And he signed Dani and Wanyama. Great signings not! I would let Lovren rot in the reserves to show the rest what happens, but the board should have done that with AL[/p][/quote]I think Wanyama was a pretty decent signing. I think the difference in the results when he played and when he didn't warrant that evaluation. Rising_Son
  • Score: 5

4:32am Mon 7 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

QUOTE 12TH MAN
If your head is already at Liverpool Lovren I suggest you get your agent to drive up and bring it back because your body still belongs to saints.

QUOTE Kings Lynn Saint

F@ck off then

The ISSUE affecting all SAINTS FANS (including KL RK Board - and KING RON KOEMAN) is how to manage the LOVREN situation. Clearly he is an exceptional talent whose true value is £30 MILLION and whose value will rise for resale (even as a CB) for £40-50 MILLION to a Club like BARCA in a couple of successful Seasons.

SAINTS FANS are right - without Suarez - down the greasy pole for LFC they WILL GO - their fans are not all that.

HALL OF SHAME : lala shaw and lambert - VERDICT GUILTY.

GUILTY : lala - for refusing to play ever again for Saints - he will still want to lap up applause from Saints away Fans and at Home though ....

GUILTY : lambert - humble and respectful move BUT guilty of manoeuvring for a move including Wet Spam earlier in the Season and then suddenly improving for ENGLAND - showing lack of loyalty - and more importantly communicating and influencing with Gerrard in getting our STAR Players to move to LFC

GUILTY shaw - could have repaid SAINTS with 1 or 2 Seasons and then lined uo the big money move. Guilty of selling himself and SFC short with a move to manure and forcing the issue.

COULD NOT support these 3 WANTAWAY PLAYERS and their careers again.

JURY OUT - Spiderman and Lovren (Lovren doing himself no favours by gobbing off)

COYR+WS
QUOTE 12TH MAN If your head is already at Liverpool Lovren I suggest you get your agent to drive up and bring it back because your body still belongs to saints. QUOTE Kings Lynn Saint F@ck off then The ISSUE affecting all SAINTS FANS (including KL RK Board - and KING RON KOEMAN) is how to manage the LOVREN situation. Clearly he is an exceptional talent whose true value is £30 MILLION and whose value will rise for resale (even as a CB) for £40-50 MILLION to a Club like BARCA in a couple of successful Seasons. SAINTS FANS are right - without Suarez - down the greasy pole for LFC they WILL GO - their fans are not all that. HALL OF SHAME : lala shaw and lambert - VERDICT GUILTY. GUILTY : lala - for refusing to play ever again for Saints - he will still want to lap up applause from Saints away Fans and at Home though .... GUILTY : lambert - humble and respectful move BUT guilty of manoeuvring for a move including Wet Spam earlier in the Season and then suddenly improving for ENGLAND - showing lack of loyalty - and more importantly communicating and influencing with Gerrard in getting our STAR Players to move to LFC GUILTY shaw - could have repaid SAINTS with 1 or 2 Seasons and then lined uo the big money move. Guilty of selling himself and SFC short with a move to manure and forcing the issue. COULD NOT support these 3 WANTAWAY PLAYERS and their careers again. JURY OUT - Spiderman and Lovren (Lovren doing himself no favours by gobbing off) COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 2

6:10am Mon 7 Jul 14

redandy10 says...

steekeemcglue wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
"Got chills when I heard You'll never walk alone" my @rse!

Whole situation stinks if you ask me. Does anyone else think our players have been tapped up?
I am in no doubt that they were tapped up.
are you guys living in the 80s !?!? it goes on ALL the time
Lovren tapped up? Noooooooo way! Why that would be unethical.

They are on here debating whether he was tapped up, classic! I'm sure they believe that transfers just miraculously happen, with a little help from the transfer fairy of course!
[quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: "Got chills when I heard You'll never walk alone" my @rse! Whole situation stinks if you ask me. Does anyone else think our players have been tapped up?[/p][/quote]I am in no doubt that they were tapped up.[/p][/quote]are you guys living in the 80s !?!? it goes on ALL the time[/p][/quote]Lovren tapped up? Noooooooo way! Why that would be unethical. They are on here debating whether he was tapped up, classic! I'm sure they believe that transfers just miraculously happen, with a little help from the transfer fairy of course! redandy10
  • Score: 8

7:10am Mon 7 Jul 14

guernseysaint says...

freeroamer wrote:
I think deep down we all realised that the dream had ended when Nicola left. He lived his life for this club while he was here.

The new training ground, the state of the art facilities. They were all festooned for gods vision. We develop our own players, train them in the Southampton Way, keep all the best players for ourselves, keep the team together and stick two fingers up to everyone else. Our financial value as a club would have increased as we became more successful.

Unfortunately the board cashed in on Like Shaw. He was the modern day shining light of our academy. The club has previously gone out of its way to raise the profile of Luke, airing interviews of him stating he was going knowhere.

Our own u turn on this policy I believe is the reason for the mass exodus. I'm now very concerned about our future in the premier league. I bet big Ron is now wondering what he let ginseng into. In my opinion the club now has no choice but to slam the door closed. No way can we let Lovren dictate to us. If he's not happy he stays, he'll never play again unless he listens to reason. It's time to get tough or we will be dead and buried.
I agree with some of your article other than one key thing. The academy, cortèse and any new manager do not seem to be able to stop greed in our players. I do not think it is lack of ambition at the club. Other than rickie, all the players want a fat pay check. And an easy ride to CL football.

Until saints pay their top men £100k plus they will always want away I am afraid.

Unfortunately this season we have more than one 'top four' players, hence the Exodus..

I agree with your thoughts on Lovren though. Right of the £30k a week we pay him and sit him on the bench. Nobody should go public with those thoughts. It undermines the club and sends out a message to the other players who remain committed.
[quote][p][bold]freeroamer[/bold] wrote: I think deep down we all realised that the dream had ended when Nicola left. He lived his life for this club while he was here. The new training ground, the state of the art facilities. They were all festooned for gods vision. We develop our own players, train them in the Southampton Way, keep all the best players for ourselves, keep the team together and stick two fingers up to everyone else. Our financial value as a club would have increased as we became more successful. Unfortunately the board cashed in on Like Shaw. He was the modern day shining light of our academy. The club has previously gone out of its way to raise the profile of Luke, airing interviews of him stating he was going knowhere. Our own u turn on this policy I believe is the reason for the mass exodus. I'm now very concerned about our future in the premier league. I bet big Ron is now wondering what he let ginseng into. In my opinion the club now has no choice but to slam the door closed. No way can we let Lovren dictate to us. If he's not happy he stays, he'll never play again unless he listens to reason. It's time to get tough or we will be dead and buried.[/p][/quote]I agree with some of your article other than one key thing. The academy, cortèse and any new manager do not seem to be able to stop greed in our players. I do not think it is lack of ambition at the club. Other than rickie, all the players want a fat pay check. And an easy ride to CL football. Until saints pay their top men £100k plus they will always want away I am afraid. Unfortunately this season we have more than one 'top four' players, hence the Exodus.. I agree with your thoughts on Lovren though. Right of the £30k a week we pay him and sit him on the bench. Nobody should go public with those thoughts. It undermines the club and sends out a message to the other players who remain committed. guernseysaint
  • Score: -1

7:15am Mon 7 Jul 14

Littleton-Saint says...

Where is Krüger? Why are we lacking leadership at Board level?
Where is Krüger? Why are we lacking leadership at Board level? Littleton-Saint
  • Score: 3

7:35am Mon 7 Jul 14

killared says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
QUOTE 12TH MAN
If your head is already at Liverpool Lovren I suggest you get your agent to drive up and bring it back because your body still belongs to saints.

QUOTE Kings Lynn Saint

F@ck off then

The ISSUE affecting all SAINTS FANS (including KL RK Board - and KING RON KOEMAN) is how to manage the LOVREN situation. Clearly he is an exceptional talent whose true value is £30 MILLION and whose value will rise for resale (even as a CB) for £40-50 MILLION to a Club like BARCA in a couple of successful Seasons.

SAINTS FANS are right - without Suarez - down the greasy pole for LFC they WILL GO - their fans are not all that.

HALL OF SHAME : lala shaw and lambert - VERDICT GUILTY.

GUILTY : lala - for refusing to play ever again for Saints - he will still want to lap up applause from Saints away Fans and at Home though ....

GUILTY : lambert - humble and respectful move BUT guilty of manoeuvring for a move including Wet Spam earlier in the Season and then suddenly improving for ENGLAND - showing lack of loyalty - and more importantly communicating and influencing with Gerrard in getting our STAR Players to move to LFC

GUILTY shaw - could have repaid SAINTS with 1 or 2 Seasons and then lined uo the big money move. Guilty of selling himself and SFC short with a move to manure and forcing the issue.

COULD NOT support these 3 WANTAWAY PLAYERS and their careers again.

JURY OUT - Spiderman and Lovren (Lovren doing himself no favours by gobbing off)

COYR+WS
First of all Lambert earn his right to go after what he achieve for us . Lambert is 33 and at the end of his career so to be honest it's not like he's gonna set the world on fire so you are wrong about Lambert. Luke Shaw can go any team who buy a teen player for 30 million who has not prove a thing at international level or in Champions league are stupid beside we have Clyne, Targett and Chambers. Shaw is good but is not worth 30 million so Saints are right to sell . Lallana is the Juda why going when the team will be rebuild around him, yes he want Champions league but he's wrong.
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: QUOTE 12TH MAN If your head is already at Liverpool Lovren I suggest you get your agent to drive up and bring it back because your body still belongs to saints. QUOTE Kings Lynn Saint F@ck off then The ISSUE affecting all SAINTS FANS (including KL RK Board - and KING RON KOEMAN) is how to manage the LOVREN situation. Clearly he is an exceptional talent whose true value is £30 MILLION and whose value will rise for resale (even as a CB) for £40-50 MILLION to a Club like BARCA in a couple of successful Seasons. SAINTS FANS are right - without Suarez - down the greasy pole for LFC they WILL GO - their fans are not all that. HALL OF SHAME : lala shaw and lambert - VERDICT GUILTY. GUILTY : lala - for refusing to play ever again for Saints - he will still want to lap up applause from Saints away Fans and at Home though .... GUILTY : lambert - humble and respectful move BUT guilty of manoeuvring for a move including Wet Spam earlier in the Season and then suddenly improving for ENGLAND - showing lack of loyalty - and more importantly communicating and influencing with Gerrard in getting our STAR Players to move to LFC GUILTY shaw - could have repaid SAINTS with 1 or 2 Seasons and then lined uo the big money move. Guilty of selling himself and SFC short with a move to manure and forcing the issue. COULD NOT support these 3 WANTAWAY PLAYERS and their careers again. JURY OUT - Spiderman and Lovren (Lovren doing himself no favours by gobbing off) COYR+WS[/p][/quote]First of all Lambert earn his right to go after what he achieve for us . Lambert is 33 and at the end of his career so to be honest it's not like he's gonna set the world on fire so you are wrong about Lambert. Luke Shaw can go any team who buy a teen player for 30 million who has not prove a thing at international level or in Champions league are stupid beside we have Clyne, Targett and Chambers. Shaw is good but is not worth 30 million so Saints are right to sell . Lallana is the Juda why going when the team will be rebuild around him, yes he want Champions league but he's wrong. killared
  • Score: 1

7:53am Mon 7 Jul 14

PTID1898 says...

Hahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahaha yet another player that realises that you are a nothing club and that you are going nowhere and wants to leave, you will be like Blackpool by the start of the season with only 8 contracted players and you can still play with 8 on the field this is going to be amusing watching your demise this year and in front of the whole country as well
Hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha yet another player that realises that you are a nothing club and that you are going nowhere and wants to leave, you will be like Blackpool by the start of the season with only 8 contracted players and you can still play with 8 on the field this is going to be amusing watching your demise this year and in front of the whole country as well PTID1898
  • Score: -7

7:53am Mon 7 Jul 14

PTID1898 says...

Hahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahaha yet another player that realises that you are a nothing club and that you are going nowhere and wants to leave, you will be like Blackpool by the start of the season with only 8 contracted players and you can still play with 8 on the field this is going to be amusing watching your demise this year and in front of the whole country as well
Hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha yet another player that realises that you are a nothing club and that you are going nowhere and wants to leave, you will be like Blackpool by the start of the season with only 8 contracted players and you can still play with 8 on the field this is going to be amusing watching your demise this year and in front of the whole country as well PTID1898
  • Score: -7

8:05am Mon 7 Jul 14

Sammy2sheds says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
oh look sammy2braincells is back and the thumbs up and down go all stupid again, what a shock!!!!! does it really think we cant see what its doing?

Enrico Palazzo hats why you got so many thumbs down, sammy2braincells thinks its either funny or clever or both to do this. I think it does it to make its inane comments look popular. 2braincells is in a world of its own so I wouldn't worry about the thumbs down thing when its around!
That's hilarious.has it ever occurred to you that others may not agree with your posts.i have not touched the thumbs up or down.
You are making yourself look really stupid and a little bit sad.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: oh look sammy2braincells is back and the thumbs up and down go all stupid again, what a shock!!!!! does it really think we cant see what its doing? Enrico Palazzo hats why you got so many thumbs down, sammy2braincells thinks its either funny or clever or both to do this. I think it does it to make its inane comments look popular. 2braincells is in a world of its own so I wouldn't worry about the thumbs down thing when its around![/p][/quote]That's hilarious.has it ever occurred to you that others may not agree with your posts.i have not touched the thumbs up or down. You are making yourself look really stupid and a little bit sad. Sammy2sheds
  • Score: -1

8:22am Mon 7 Jul 14

Saint_rob says...

Lovren added: “Honestly, I don’t know who the main man at the club is anymore.

There isn't one! It's called a board of directors now.

Just defend the ball that's your job, not how to run the business.
Lovren added: “Honestly, I don’t know who the main man at the club is anymore. There isn't one! It's called a board of directors now. Just defend the ball that's your job, not how to run the business. Saint_rob
  • Score: 4

8:31am Mon 7 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
oh look sammy2braincells is back and the thumbs up and down go all stupid again, what a shock!!!!! does it really think we cant see what its doing?

Enrico Palazzo hats why you got so many thumbs down, sammy2braincells thinks its either funny or clever or both to do this. I think it does it to make its inane comments look popular. 2braincells is in a world of its own so I wouldn't worry about the thumbs down thing when its around!
That's hilarious.has it ever occurred to you that others may not agree with your posts.i have not touched the thumbs up or down.
You are making yourself look really stupid and a little bit sad.
Well you started it.
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: oh look sammy2braincells is back and the thumbs up and down go all stupid again, what a shock!!!!! does it really think we cant see what its doing? Enrico Palazzo hats why you got so many thumbs down, sammy2braincells thinks its either funny or clever or both to do this. I think it does it to make its inane comments look popular. 2braincells is in a world of its own so I wouldn't worry about the thumbs down thing when its around![/p][/quote]That's hilarious.has it ever occurred to you that others may not agree with your posts.i have not touched the thumbs up or down. You are making yourself look really stupid and a little bit sad.[/p][/quote]Well you started it. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -3

8:34am Mon 7 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

PTID1898 wrote:
Hahahahahahahahahaha

hahahahahahahaha yet another player that realises that you are a nothing club and that you are going nowhere and wants to leave, you will be like Blackpool by the start of the season with only 8 contracted players and you can still play with 8 on the field this is going to be amusing watching your demise this year and in front of the whole country as well
At least someone is happy this morning, you are up early, finishing your homework? Quick question, how much is there in the skate transfer kitty?
[quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: Hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha yet another player that realises that you are a nothing club and that you are going nowhere and wants to leave, you will be like Blackpool by the start of the season with only 8 contracted players and you can still play with 8 on the field this is going to be amusing watching your demise this year and in front of the whole country as well[/p][/quote]At least someone is happy this morning, you are up early, finishing your homework? Quick question, how much is there in the skate transfer kitty? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

8:45am Mon 7 Jul 14

Clever Dick says...

PTID1898 wrote:
Hahahahahahahahahaha

hahahahahahahaha yet another player that realises that you are a nothing club and that you are going nowhere and wants to leave, you will be like Blackpool by the start of the season with only 8 contracted players and you can still play with 8 on the field this is going to be amusing watching your demise this year and in front of the whole country as well
Haahahahahahahahaaha
hah.Aparrently they are all queueing up and asking to be transferred to Poopey. Apparently you skunts are stupid enough to pay £85k a week . Wasn't it you who also predictd our demise last season as well. It's going to be very amusing watching you disappear again when you are proven to be talking out of your a$$ as usual.
[quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: Hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha yet another player that realises that you are a nothing club and that you are going nowhere and wants to leave, you will be like Blackpool by the start of the season with only 8 contracted players and you can still play with 8 on the field this is going to be amusing watching your demise this year and in front of the whole country as well[/p][/quote]Haahahahahahahahaaha hah.Aparrently they are all queueing up and asking to be transferred to Poopey. Apparently you skunts are stupid enough to pay £85k a week . Wasn't it you who also predictd our demise last season as well. It's going to be very amusing watching you disappear again when you are proven to be talking out of your a$$ as usual. Clever Dick
  • Score: 1

8:52am Mon 7 Jul 14

SarisburyGreen says...

LightwaterSaint wrote:
How does he know what the current ambitions are when he hasn't even had the courtesy to speak to the new manager? Hold firm Saints.
Isn't the fundamental problem that any club has to pay its way and Saints just don't have the revenue streams to be able to compete with the big boys?
The club has spent far more than it has earned in the past few years and has been fortunate to be subsidised by the wealthy Liebherr family but sooner or later most owners are going to want their money back. It looks like that time has come for Saints.
Yes, they have grown the value of the club but I suspect the only way of really getting their money back is to sell off the prime playing assets and develop a new crop of younger, cheaper players.
Those saying the club lacks ambition really mean it lacks the will to spend money it hasn't got. Other people's money.
Unless fans think the club should increase its ability to buy and retain big players by doubling or trebling season ticket prices, for example?
[quote][p][bold]LightwaterSaint[/bold] wrote: How does he know what the current ambitions are when he hasn't even had the courtesy to speak to the new manager? Hold firm Saints.[/p][/quote]Isn't the fundamental problem that any club has to pay its way and Saints just don't have the revenue streams to be able to compete with the big boys? The club has spent far more than it has earned in the past few years and has been fortunate to be subsidised by the wealthy Liebherr family but sooner or later most owners are going to want their money back. It looks like that time has come for Saints. Yes, they have grown the value of the club but I suspect the only way of really getting their money back is to sell off the prime playing assets and develop a new crop of younger, cheaper players. Those saying the club lacks ambition really mean it lacks the will to spend money it hasn't got. Other people's money. Unless fans think the club should increase its ability to buy and retain big players by doubling or trebling season ticket prices, for example? SarisburyGreen
  • Score: 4

8:56am Mon 7 Jul 14

Muttdogg says...

Complete 'A' hole...get shot of him. £20M is well over the odds anyway - over-rated.
Complete 'A' hole...get shot of him. £20M is well over the odds anyway - over-rated. Muttdogg
  • Score: 1

8:58am Mon 7 Jul 14

Costa Baz says...

So, according to Lovren, he knew Pochettino was going 2 months before he actually resigned, which just adds to my views that Pochettino is the main cause of our current turmoil.

No one yet knows, how much the club's ambition has changed, because it is too early in the new manager's tenure to see what direction we are heading. What we do know is that some of Pochettino's back room staff thought the next plan was good enough for them to want to stay and continue the job. And that the club has employed a manager of better pedigree, than the one it has lost.

Cortese was selling dreams and making promises based on someone else's wealth. From the outside, most of the fans bought into the rhetoric, the talk of European football, playing in the Champions League and to many Cortese became a hero. Someone to be admired and looked up to.
Never mind the stories that circulated about him reneging on promises and deals with businesses.
The attitude was that he was a piece of sh1t, but he was OUR piece of sh1t, therefore his behaviour was tolerated.

What a lot of people forget, about Cortese, is that he said, right from the beginning, that the club had to become self sustaining and couldn't be allowed to rely on handouts from Markus Liebherr.

None of us, on the outside, know if Cortese was in fact Don Quixote, touting at windmills. None of us know if he was selling the players a dream that was not financially achievable.

There are enough posters, on here, that run their own, very successful businesses, who know themselves, the dangers of allowing an employee to have too much control of their business.

It would be too easy for that employee to headhunt staff that wouldn't normally work for a certain sized company, by making promises that may or may not be achievable.
The problem the employer then has, is when the person doing the hiring moves on. The staff he signed up have a tendency to move on as well, citing change of direction, lack of company ambition etc, just as we are seeing at SMS.
So, according to Lovren, he knew Pochettino was going 2 months before he actually resigned, which just adds to my views that Pochettino is the main cause of our current turmoil. No one yet knows, how much the club's ambition has changed, because it is too early in the new manager's tenure to see what direction we are heading. What we do know is that some of Pochettino's back room staff thought the next plan was good enough for them to want to stay and continue the job. And that the club has employed a manager of better pedigree, than the one it has lost. Cortese was selling dreams and making promises based on someone else's wealth. From the outside, most of the fans bought into the rhetoric, the talk of European football, playing in the Champions League and to many Cortese became a hero. Someone to be admired and looked up to. Never mind the stories that circulated about him reneging on promises and deals with businesses. The attitude was that he was a piece of sh1t, but he was OUR piece of sh1t, therefore his behaviour was tolerated. What a lot of people forget, about Cortese, is that he said, right from the beginning, that the club had to become self sustaining and couldn't be allowed to rely on handouts from Markus Liebherr. None of us, on the outside, know if Cortese was in fact Don Quixote, touting at windmills. None of us know if he was selling the players a dream that was not financially achievable. There are enough posters, on here, that run their own, very successful businesses, who know themselves, the dangers of allowing an employee to have too much control of their business. It would be too easy for that employee to headhunt staff that wouldn't normally work for a certain sized company, by making promises that may or may not be achievable. The problem the employer then has, is when the person doing the hiring moves on. The staff he signed up have a tendency to move on as well, citing change of direction, lack of company ambition etc, just as we are seeing at SMS. Costa Baz
  • Score: 1

9:13am Mon 7 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
oh look sammy2braincells is back and the thumbs up and down go all stupid again, what a shock!!!!! does it really think we cant see what its doing?

Enrico Palazzo hats why you got so many thumbs down, sammy2braincells thinks its either funny or clever or both to do this. I think it does it to make its inane comments look popular. 2braincells is in a world of its own so I wouldn't worry about the thumbs down thing when its around!
That's hilarious.has it ever occurred to you that others may not agree with your posts.i have not touched the thumbs up or down.
You are making yourself look really stupid and a little bit sad.
If honesty were one of your values, you would keep your promises and no longer be posting on here. Look in the mirror if you want to know what stupid looks like.
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: oh look sammy2braincells is back and the thumbs up and down go all stupid again, what a shock!!!!! does it really think we cant see what its doing? Enrico Palazzo hats why you got so many thumbs down, sammy2braincells thinks its either funny or clever or both to do this. I think it does it to make its inane comments look popular. 2braincells is in a world of its own so I wouldn't worry about the thumbs down thing when its around![/p][/quote]That's hilarious.has it ever occurred to you that others may not agree with your posts.i have not touched the thumbs up or down. You are making yourself look really stupid and a little bit sad.[/p][/quote]If honesty were one of your values, you would keep your promises and no longer be posting on here. Look in the mirror if you want to know what stupid looks like. Rising_Son
  • Score: 1

9:32am Mon 7 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

killared ....

For Me ....

GUILTY

luke shaw is GUILTY os selling himself and the SFC short ...

He is a Chelski Supporter - Cole cannot last forever - 1or 2 Seasons for SAINTS would have done the trick. He SOLD himself and the Club short by going to manure.

You make a VALID POINT on shaw from a business point of view.

GUILTY

Lambert was well loved by Saints Fans - but as an ENGLAND INTERNATIONAL - he still went too cheaply. If that was all there was to the story - in isolation I would wholly agree with you ....

He is GUILTY though of communicating and influencing with his Number One LOVE - Liverpool Football Club and through Gerrard and with Brenda Rodgers getting LALA and tapping LOVREN to making a move way from SOUTHAMPTON FOOTBALL CLUB.

As you say - GOOD BUSINESS - Shaw is unproven so the CLUB made money and Lambert's legs are shot - and the best way to play him is a ball over the TOP and effectively he is out of the game because he cannot chase it down like JROD.

COYR+WS
killared .... For Me .... GUILTY luke shaw is GUILTY os selling himself and the SFC short ... He is a Chelski Supporter - Cole cannot last forever - 1or 2 Seasons for SAINTS would have done the trick. He SOLD himself and the Club short by going to manure. You make a VALID POINT on shaw from a business point of view. GUILTY Lambert was well loved by Saints Fans - but as an ENGLAND INTERNATIONAL - he still went too cheaply. If that was all there was to the story - in isolation I would wholly agree with you .... He is GUILTY though of communicating and influencing with his Number One LOVE - Liverpool Football Club and through Gerrard and with Brenda Rodgers getting LALA and tapping LOVREN to making a move way from SOUTHAMPTON FOOTBALL CLUB. As you say - GOOD BUSINESS - Shaw is unproven so the CLUB made money and Lambert's legs are shot - and the best way to play him is a ball over the TOP and effectively he is out of the game because he cannot chase it down like JROD. COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: -1

10:48am Mon 7 Jul 14

lowe esteem says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
echo1948 wrote:
Much as I am dismayed by another player wanting to , I can,t help feeling that this is the root cause of our problems i.e. "Lack of ambition"
I agree with Lovren and have been saying that it is not the money is AMBITION that is the cause of all our best players leaving.

It is now very clear that communication from the new Board to the players and to us fans has been non-existent.

There does not seem to be a 'main man' driving us. If it is Ralph then is is doing a poor job and Les is spending his time selling not buying.
Whilst we should all be grateful that Katarina has continued to invest in the club she is not going to bank roll a CL chase.

We were told by the new board that the club was still going to push on but have done nothing to show it to us or the players. They have sold not one but all three of our England stars and not replaced them.

All our top players have now realized that they have to leave to fulfill their ambitions, Lovren and sadly Morgan will go and I don't blame them.

So we do not push on but hopefully settle as a middle to top half Prem team and accept our star players will leave, Lovren & Morgan next and the best one or two next season.

However lets get behind RonKo who has an uphill task of rebuilding the team to keep clear of relegation at the moment, but mainly can the board please communicate and start buying the 8 top quality players we now need to give RonKo a chance. He must be wondering what he has walked into.

Keeping Morgan would be the best signing we could make and Lovren staying would stem the tide.

COYR&WS We can rise again.
Back under the duvet, 'love' to the man, let us us know when you have any more pillow talk (or change your sign in?)
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: Much as I am dismayed by another player wanting to , I can,t help feeling that this is the root cause of our problems i.e. "Lack of ambition"[/p][/quote]I agree with Lovren and have been saying that it is not the money is AMBITION that is the cause of all our best players leaving. It is now very clear that communication from the new Board to the players and to us fans has been non-existent. There does not seem to be a 'main man' driving us. If it is Ralph then is is doing a poor job and Les is spending his time selling not buying. Whilst we should all be grateful that Katarina has continued to invest in the club she is not going to bank roll a CL chase. We were told by the new board that the club was still going to push on but have done nothing to show it to us or the players. They have sold not one but all three of our England stars and not replaced them. All our top players have now realized that they have to leave to fulfill their ambitions, Lovren and sadly Morgan will go and I don't blame them. So we do not push on but hopefully settle as a middle to top half Prem team and accept our star players will leave, Lovren & Morgan next and the best one or two next season. However lets get behind RonKo who has an uphill task of rebuilding the team to keep clear of relegation at the moment, but mainly can the board please communicate and start buying the 8 top quality players we now need to give RonKo a chance. He must be wondering what he has walked into. Keeping Morgan would be the best signing we could make and Lovren staying would stem the tide. COYR&WS We can rise again.[/p][/quote]Back under the duvet, 'love' to the man, let us us know when you have any more pillow talk (or change your sign in?) lowe esteem
  • Score: -1

11:11am Mon 7 Jul 14

SaintJD says...

Two points:

Firstly, if a dreamer says he's going to buy you a mansion but the bank tells you he doesn't have the money do you blame the bank or the guy who misled you?

Secondly, if what Lovren says is true, and it seems to be, the only mistake the new board made (and it was a massive one) was not to get another great bull sh1tter in to spout out more of the same ambitious nonsense.

Let's face it, Cortese was basically selling EXACTLY the same situation we've had since January.

According to Lovren, buying Osvaldo and Wanyama was all the proof he needed that we were being ambitious.

Well, I think it's clear that even with our finances as they are we could have easily kept the current manager and players and bought two good additions this summer.

Problem is that the new board don't inspire the confidence that Cortese did. They trusted him and he created the luxury surroundings they associated with ambition.

In comparison, the new team aren't as impressive or good at selling their vision (even if it is exactly the same thing). They talked prudence from the beginning. Cortese would have dressed it up a lot better.

And, of course, when we lost the manager's faith, the house fell in.

It's all smoke and mirrors.

However, if I'm honest, I blame Cortese. All he needed to do was swallow his pride and stay on for another year and who knows we might have only lost Luke and really stepped up next season.

Surely, despite delighting in our current situation, he must be silently kicking himself that he didn't have enough faith in his own ability to feel he could finish the job, even if with slightly lower funds than he'd initially expected.

I think he just might have been able to achieve his vision, but instead he's just a nearly man who achieved so, so much, but didn't have the guts to see it through.
Two points: Firstly, if a dreamer says he's going to buy you a mansion but the bank tells you he doesn't have the money do you blame the bank or the guy who misled you? Secondly, if what Lovren says is true, and it seems to be, the only mistake the new board made (and it was a massive one) was not to get another great bull sh1tter in to spout out more of the same ambitious nonsense. Let's face it, Cortese was basically selling EXACTLY the same situation we've had since January. According to Lovren, buying Osvaldo and Wanyama was all the proof he needed that we were being ambitious. Well, I think it's clear that even with our finances as they are we could have easily kept the current manager and players and bought two good additions this summer. Problem is that the new board don't inspire the confidence that Cortese did. They trusted him and he created the luxury surroundings they associated with ambition. In comparison, the new team aren't as impressive or good at selling their vision (even if it is exactly the same thing). They talked prudence from the beginning. Cortese would have dressed it up a lot better. And, of course, when we lost the manager's faith, the house fell in. It's all smoke and mirrors. However, if I'm honest, I blame Cortese. All he needed to do was swallow his pride and stay on for another year and who knows we might have only lost Luke and really stepped up next season. Surely, despite delighting in our current situation, he must be silently kicking himself that he didn't have enough faith in his own ability to feel he could finish the job, even if with slightly lower funds than he'd initially expected. I think he just might have been able to achieve his vision, but instead he's just a nearly man who achieved so, so much, but didn't have the guts to see it through. SaintJD
  • Score: 1

11:38am Mon 7 Jul 14

holly_s says...

When I saw Lambert move to Liverpool, I was over the moon. It was lovely to see such a great player move to his dream club who he has been a fan of since he was younger. Considering his age, I'm so happy for Rickie Lambert, what a brilliant place to end his career. As for players such as Luke Shaw and Adam Lallana, if they want to move to a 'big' club and be used as a bench warmer just for a little bit more money then so be it. Luke Shaw is kind of understandable, he is young and only just starting a massive career. But Adam Lallana, one minute you're reading about how he would want to end his career at Southampton and the next he's moving to Liverpool as if it meant nothing. It's a shame there is no loyalty in football anymore. It's all about the money.

Now I'm seeing Dejan Lovren, saying his head is already at Liverpool. How deluded of him. A small player who was taken pity on and now he thinks he's a massive star and belongs to a club with ambition. Since when did Southampton have no ambition? Since we've been promoted to the Premier League, a lot of achievements have been made and a lot of signings have happened. I am sure proud to be a fan of Southampton. It seems to me that every player at Southampton that has been in the World Cup seems to think they belong somewhere that achieves Champions League football. What really annoys me is the fact that none of these players have given Ronald Koeman a chance to prove what he could do. I wouldn't be so angry if they stayed with Southampton for another season then made their decision. They're all going to look like mugs next season if Southampton achieve anything above what we finished last season. Or who knows, Southampton could finish above Liverpool. Then I would be laughing. Whatever happens, I will always be proud of Southampton and no mater who goes and who comes, I will wear my shirt with pride.
When I saw Lambert move to Liverpool, I was over the moon. It was lovely to see such a great player move to his dream club who he has been a fan of since he was younger. Considering his age, I'm so happy for Rickie Lambert, what a brilliant place to end his career. As for players such as Luke Shaw and Adam Lallana, if they want to move to a 'big' club and be used as a bench warmer just for a little bit more money then so be it. Luke Shaw is kind of understandable, he is young and only just starting a massive career. But Adam Lallana, one minute you're reading about how he would want to end his career at Southampton and the next he's moving to Liverpool as if it meant nothing. It's a shame there is no loyalty in football anymore. It's all about the money. Now I'm seeing Dejan Lovren, saying his head is already at Liverpool. How deluded of him. A small player who was taken pity on and now he thinks he's a massive star and belongs to a club with ambition. Since when did Southampton have no ambition? Since we've been promoted to the Premier League, a lot of achievements have been made and a lot of signings have happened. I am sure proud to be a fan of Southampton. It seems to me that every player at Southampton that has been in the World Cup seems to think they belong somewhere that achieves Champions League football. What really annoys me is the fact that none of these players have given Ronald Koeman a chance to prove what he could do. I wouldn't be so angry if they [Lovren, Lallana, etc] stayed with Southampton for another season then made their decision. They're all going to look like mugs next season if Southampton achieve anything above what we finished last season. Or who knows, Southampton could finish above Liverpool. Then I would be laughing. Whatever happens, I will always be proud of Southampton and no mater who goes and who comes, I will wear my shirt with pride. holly_s
  • Score: 6

12:59pm Mon 7 Jul 14

SaintJD says...

"They bought Osvaldo and Wanyama. They are great players."

If nothing else, you've got to question this guy's judgement.
"They bought [Dani] Osvaldo and [Victor] Wanyama. They are great players." If nothing else, you've got to question this guy's judgement. SaintJD
  • Score: 1

1:32pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Sammy2sheds says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
oh look sammy2braincells is back and the thumbs up and down go all stupid again, what a shock!!!!! does it really think we cant see what its doing?

Enrico Palazzo hats why you got so many thumbs down, sammy2braincells thinks its either funny or clever or both to do this. I think it does it to make its inane comments look popular. 2braincells is in a world of its own so I wouldn't worry about the thumbs down thing when its around!
That's hilarious.has it ever occurred to you that others may not agree with your posts.i have not touched the thumbs up or down.
You are making yourself look really stupid and a little bit sad.
If honesty were one of your values, you would keep your promises and no longer be posting on here. Look in the mirror if you want to know what stupid looks like.
Are you 8 years old?
Look in the mirror....I can't even believe you wrote that.where's the rest of the daily echo comment police?
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: oh look sammy2braincells is back and the thumbs up and down go all stupid again, what a shock!!!!! does it really think we cant see what its doing? Enrico Palazzo hats why you got so many thumbs down, sammy2braincells thinks its either funny or clever or both to do this. I think it does it to make its inane comments look popular. 2braincells is in a world of its own so I wouldn't worry about the thumbs down thing when its around![/p][/quote]That's hilarious.has it ever occurred to you that others may not agree with your posts.i have not touched the thumbs up or down. You are making yourself look really stupid and a little bit sad.[/p][/quote]If honesty were one of your values, you would keep your promises and no longer be posting on here. Look in the mirror if you want to know what stupid looks like.[/p][/quote]Are you 8 years old? Look in the mirror....I can't even believe you wrote that.where's the rest of the daily echo comment police? Sammy2sheds
  • Score: 1

1:34pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

SaintJD wrote:
"They bought Osvaldo and Wanyama. They are great players."

If nothing else, you've got to question this guy's judgement.
About Osvaldo at any rate.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: "They bought [Dani] Osvaldo and [Victor] Wanyama. They are great players." If nothing else, you've got to question this guy's judgement.[/p][/quote]About Osvaldo at any rate. Rising_Son
  • Score: 0

3:06pm Mon 7 Jul 14

bobby the crane says...

What a bunch of no life’s you lot are, nothing better to do than beating yourselves up, when are you sad so called SFC supporters going to Wake up , as previously noted in other posts there was a mention of asset stripping, well ‘’well’’ you goons it is happening right now in front of your stupid noses Marcus Liebherr God Bless Him, ‘’he must be turning in his grave’’ left the assets to his Daughter Katharina, since then there has been turmoil within the club as you all know many of the best players have left the nest for greener pastures & big fat bank accounts, surely some of you must have had some sort of an Education to see what is going on, the Club may be cash rich but where is it going ? I would suggest going back in to Germany & reinvested within the Liebherr coffers for which they need. Wake up you Guys I don’t need to remind you again & to tell you I told you so
What a bunch of no life’s you lot are, nothing better to do than beating yourselves up, when are you sad so called SFC supporters going to Wake up , as previously noted in other posts there was a mention of asset stripping, well ‘’well’’ you goons it is happening right now in front of your stupid noses Marcus Liebherr God Bless Him, ‘’he must be turning in his grave’’ left the assets to his Daughter Katharina, since then there has been turmoil within the club as you all know many of the best players have left the nest for greener pastures & big fat bank accounts, surely some of you must have had some sort of an Education to see what is going on, the Club may be cash rich but where is it going ? I would suggest going back in to Germany & reinvested within the Liebherr coffers for which they need. Wake up you Guys I don’t need to remind you again & to tell you I told you so bobby the crane
  • Score: -1

3:20pm Mon 7 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

bobby the crane wrote:
What a bunch of no life’s you lot are, nothing better to do than beating yourselves up, when are you sad so called SFC supporters going to Wake up , as previously noted in other posts there was a mention of asset stripping, well ‘’well’’ you goons it is happening right now in front of your stupid noses Marcus Liebherr God Bless Him, ‘’he must be turning in his grave’’ left the assets to his Daughter Katharina, since then there has been turmoil within the club as you all know many of the best players have left the nest for greener pastures & big fat bank accounts, surely some of you must have had some sort of an Education to see what is going on, the Club may be cash rich but where is it going ? I would suggest going back in to Germany & reinvested within the Liebherr coffers for which they need. Wake up you Guys I don’t need to remind you again & to tell you I told you so
Total hogwash.
[quote][p][bold]bobby the crane[/bold] wrote: What a bunch of no life’s you lot are, nothing better to do than beating yourselves up, when are you sad so called SFC supporters going to Wake up , as previously noted in other posts there was a mention of asset stripping, well ‘’well’’ you goons it is happening right now in front of your stupid noses Marcus Liebherr God Bless Him, ‘’he must be turning in his grave’’ left the assets to his Daughter Katharina, since then there has been turmoil within the club as you all know many of the best players have left the nest for greener pastures & big fat bank accounts, surely some of you must have had some sort of an Education to see what is going on, the Club may be cash rich but where is it going ? I would suggest going back in to Germany & reinvested within the Liebherr coffers for which they need. Wake up you Guys I don’t need to remind you again & to tell you I told you so[/p][/quote]Total hogwash. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

5:05pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

Hows about then when the Saints go Marching in Mate!
Hows about then when the Saints go Marching in Mate! Fatty x Ford Worker
  • Score: 1

5:40pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

Ave a walk around Knotty Ash and think what a lucky guy playing for Saints!
Ave a walk around Knotty Ash and think what a lucky guy playing for Saints! Fatty x Ford Worker
  • Score: 0

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