Koeman welcomes Saints players for start of pre season training

Koeman welcomes Saints players for start of pre season training

Koeman welcomes Saints players for start of pre season training. Pictures courtesy of Saints FC.

Koeman welcomes Saints players for start of pre season training

Koeman welcomes Saints players for start of pre season training

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RONALD Koeman today took charge of Saints' training for the first time as he welcomed his squad to Staplewood for the start of pre season training.

He was accompanied by his brother Erwin Koeman, Saints' first team coach, and new assistant first team coach Sammy Lee.

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6:50pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

The ride continues.
The ride continues. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 13

7:04pm Tue 1 Jul 14

magnette says...

You have thought he would have taken them all out for a pint, esp as the round is so cheap!
You have thought he would have taken them all out for a pint, esp as the round is so cheap! magnette
  • Score: 22

7:11pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Rooflas says...

magnette wrote:
You have thought he would have taken them all out for a pint, esp as the round is so cheap!
How do you know he hasn't?
[quote][p][bold]magnette[/bold] wrote: You have thought he would have taken them all out for a pint, esp as the round is so cheap![/p][/quote]How do you know he hasn't? Rooflas
  • Score: 12

7:13pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Harold K Steptoe says...

We're going to need those big inflatable guys this season, unless Liverpool want them as well.
We're going to need those big inflatable guys this season, unless Liverpool want them as well. Harold K Steptoe
  • Score: 33

7:13pm Tue 1 Jul 14

rawcask says...

And Osvaldo... was he there?
And Osvaldo... was he there? rawcask
  • Score: 10

7:17pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

magnette wrote:
You have thought he would have taken them all out for a pint, esp as the round is so cheap!
They decided to go Dutch.
[quote][p][bold]magnette[/bold] wrote: You have thought he would have taken them all out for a pint, esp as the round is so cheap![/p][/quote]They decided to go Dutch. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 29

7:19pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Harold K Steptoe wrote:
We're going to need those big inflatable guys this season, unless Liverpool want them as well.
Nah!!! Those big inflatable guys are just a total let down.
[quote][p][bold]Harold K Steptoe[/bold] wrote: We're going to need those big inflatable guys this season, unless Liverpool want them as well.[/p][/quote]Nah!!! Those big inflatable guys are just a total let down. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 7

7:20pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Churchill Saint says...

Koeman isn’t the only one welcoming the start of pre-season. Its been a long close seasons already for us Saints fans. There’s a lot happening at SFC and like most true supporters I am concerned and interested in what has happened and where the future lies. Trouble is there are so few known facts and so many rumours, hearsay and lies, spread mainly by the press, ably assisted by football agents. So I have tried to piece together what has happened based on what we know and making rational assumptions from all the stories flying around. This is therefore my interpretation and opinion and not necessarily fact.
Unlike what some fans on the forum think, the successful team of last season did not start being dismantled last month; it started at the end of 2013. NC and KL had meeting to discuss where the club was going and clearly they were miles apart. Probably a summary is KL was concerned with how much power NC had with the Liebherr money and decided NC needed reigning in. I guess in particular she was concerned about the Academy being 100% over budget and the complete waste of money on the Oswaldo transfer, as two of the more extreme examples of incompetence. NC disagreed and tendered his resignation and starting serving notice. I believe at this stage he told MP of his decision and MP decided he would also leave. I also believe that MP then decided to plot his own future, by giving the impression he was whiter than white and ensuring Saints finished as high as possible. This is the reason why he did not take the Cups seriously – they wouldn’t help his CV but it did allow him concentrate on league position, which would largely determine his ‘value’. I believe he also spoke with the more senior players, distorting the reasons for the fallout between KL and NC, with KL being the wicked witch and NC the good guy. I think his objective was to create division between the owners and more influential players, all to serve his own and NC’s agendas. Why else did we get repeated statements from various senior players pledging their support for MP, saying he must stay? It then makes it easier for them to leave when MP is apparently forced out by the unambitious owners. All of this weakens SFC and strengthens his own hand. When MP said he would leave the first time NC and KL had a row and he threatened to quit, he (MP) was being truthful. When NC did actually quit, MP also decided to quit. Of course, he gallantly said he would fight on until the end of the season but this was only to make him appear a loyal and righteous person. Actually it was just a way to enhance his own CV and anyhow he could negotiate a better deal with Spurs whilst still in employment.
My opinion is that MP was a very good manager – you could actually see an improvement in style in his very first game. However, I believe he is also selfish and devious and I am delighted we are shot of him.
Moving on to now, I think Koeman (RK) was always the Board’s first choice and I am sure they would have discussed the so-called disaffected players. I would bet that RK stated to the Board that he doesn’t want anyone in his squad who is not 100% committed to the club but we should only sell them at inflated valuations, whilst there are clubs out there willing to pay stupid fees and packages (clearly there are). I think Lambert was a special case, I think LS is naïve and easily swayed by others but cannot be blamed for rejecting a trebling of salary and that AL has got too big for his boots, aided and abetted by some choice comments by MP. Actually I think that both AL and LS had made decisions before the world cup so tapping up by Liverpool and ManU players didn’t come into it. I think Lovren will also leave (not 100% committed) and will be sold to the highest bidder. I think (and hope) Morgan could be persuaded to stay; I think he would be the ideal captain and midfield general for the RK era so I just hope our wage structure will allow us to compete with Arsenal. I hope that JRod is mature enough to see through MP’s poison and his attempts to sign him for Spurs.
Looking forward I am very excited about the future and I am very confident RK will develop a squad that will be considerably stronger and deeper than that of last season – he will surely be given the funds to do so. We as fans will need to be patient to give it time to gel. I am very glad that MP has gone and anyone else not committed to SFC. I think NC has been the most influential individual in the history of Southampton Football club (with the possible exception of Lawrie Mac) and his achievement in taking us from near bankruptcy to financial stability and 8th in the Premiership in 5 years is remarkable. HOWEVER, whilst he is spending other people’s money and with his uncompromising style it would always be a case of ‘when’ rather than ‘if’ he quits, so its better he’s gone. I just hope the current regime start treating us as a Football Club and not a Project (as soon as MP talked about the Project, it rang alarm bells in my ears). I have been supporting Saints since first standing at the Milton Road end in 1973 and will support them till the day I die. As fans we support our club through thick and thin for life. A project has a finite time and when finished they want to move on to the next project. Well, supporting a club is not like that.
Koeman isn’t the only one welcoming the start of pre-season. Its been a long close seasons already for us Saints fans. There’s a lot happening at SFC and like most true supporters I am concerned and interested in what has happened and where the future lies. Trouble is there are so few known facts and so many rumours, hearsay and lies, spread mainly by the press, ably assisted by football agents. So I have tried to piece together what has happened based on what we know and making rational assumptions from all the stories flying around. This is therefore my interpretation and opinion and not necessarily fact. Unlike what some fans on the forum think, the successful team of last season did not start being dismantled last month; it started at the end of 2013. NC and KL had meeting to discuss where the club was going and clearly they were miles apart. Probably a summary is KL was concerned with how much power NC had with the Liebherr money and decided NC needed reigning in. I guess in particular she was concerned about the Academy being 100% over budget and the complete waste of money on the Oswaldo transfer, as two of the more extreme examples of incompetence. NC disagreed and tendered his resignation and starting serving notice. I believe at this stage he told MP of his decision and MP decided he would also leave. I also believe that MP then decided to plot his own future, by giving the impression he was whiter than white and ensuring Saints finished as high as possible. This is the reason why he did not take the Cups seriously – they wouldn’t help his CV but it did allow him concentrate on league position, which would largely determine his ‘value’. I believe he also spoke with the more senior players, distorting the reasons for the fallout between KL and NC, with KL being the wicked witch and NC the good guy. I think his objective was to create division between the owners and more influential players, all to serve his own and NC’s agendas. Why else did we get repeated statements from various senior players pledging their support for MP, saying he must stay? It then makes it easier for them to leave when MP is apparently forced out by the unambitious owners. All of this weakens SFC and strengthens his own hand. When MP said he would leave the first time NC and KL had a row and he threatened to quit, he (MP) was being truthful. When NC did actually quit, MP also decided to quit. Of course, he gallantly said he would fight on until the end of the season but this was only to make him appear a loyal and righteous person. Actually it was just a way to enhance his own CV and anyhow he could negotiate a better deal with Spurs whilst still in employment. My opinion is that MP was a very good manager – you could actually see an improvement in style in his very first game. However, I believe he is also selfish and devious and I am delighted we are shot of him. Moving on to now, I think Koeman (RK) was always the Board’s first choice and I am sure they would have discussed the so-called disaffected players. I would bet that RK stated to the Board that he doesn’t want anyone in his squad who is not 100% committed to the club but we should only sell them at inflated valuations, whilst there are clubs out there willing to pay stupid fees and packages (clearly there are). I think Lambert was a special case, I think LS is naïve and easily swayed by others but cannot be blamed for rejecting a trebling of salary and that AL has got too big for his boots, aided and abetted by some choice comments by MP. Actually I think that both AL and LS had made decisions before the world cup so tapping up by Liverpool and ManU players didn’t come into it. I think Lovren will also leave (not 100% committed) and will be sold to the highest bidder. I think (and hope) Morgan could be persuaded to stay; I think he would be the ideal captain and midfield general for the RK era so I just hope our wage structure will allow us to compete with Arsenal. I hope that JRod is mature enough to see through MP’s poison and his attempts to sign him for Spurs. Looking forward I am very excited about the future and I am very confident RK will develop a squad that will be considerably stronger and deeper than that of last season – he will surely be given the funds to do so. We as fans will need to be patient to give it time to gel. I am very glad that MP has gone and anyone else not committed to SFC. I think NC has been the most influential individual in the history of Southampton Football club (with the possible exception of Lawrie Mac) and his achievement in taking us from near bankruptcy to financial stability and 8th in the Premiership in 5 years is remarkable. HOWEVER, whilst he is spending other people’s money and with his uncompromising style it would always be a case of ‘when’ rather than ‘if’ he quits, so its better he’s gone. I just hope the current regime start treating us as a Football Club and not a Project (as soon as MP talked about the Project, it rang alarm bells in my ears). I have been supporting Saints since first standing at the Milton Road end in 1973 and will support them till the day I die. As fans we support our club through thick and thin for life. A project has a finite time and when finished they want to move on to the next project. Well, supporting a club is not like that. Churchill Saint
  • Score: 247

7:23pm Tue 1 Jul 14

THE12THMAN says...

I presume that is the new training kit they are wearing, looks ok to me. Hope the new home kit is red and white stripes, black shorts and white socks with red tops, that would be perfect.
I presume that is the new training kit they are wearing, looks ok to me. Hope the new home kit is red and white stripes, black shorts and white socks with red tops, that would be perfect. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 24

7:24pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Invidia says...

I know that we have lost some players but if that is the squad I could only see 4 players, in which case we will b hard pushed to put a team on the pitch
I know that we have lost some players but if that is the squad I could only see 4 players, in which case we will b hard pushed to put a team on the pitch Invidia
  • Score: -6

7:25pm Tue 1 Jul 14

andygoater1957 says...

So no Dani or Boruc today
So no Dani or Boruc today andygoater1957
  • Score: 5

7:41pm Tue 1 Jul 14

saintbobby says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
I presume that is the new training kit they are wearing, looks ok to me. Hope the new home kit is red and white stripes, black shorts and white socks with red tops, that would be perfect.
Brilliant! I hear you are on the list for a knighthood and I'll start right now - SIR THE12THMAN . There's no money in it!
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: I presume that is the new training kit they are wearing, looks ok to me. Hope the new home kit is red and white stripes, black shorts and white socks with red tops, that would be perfect.[/p][/quote]Brilliant! I hear you are on the list for a knighthood and I'll start right now - SIR THE12THMAN . There's no money in it! saintbobby
  • Score: 10

7:43pm Tue 1 Jul 14

J7junctionseven says...

Yeeha! Sexy football on it's way to Southampton!!
COYR FOADP Can't wait for the new signings and new season to start
Yeeha! Sexy football on it's way to Southampton!! COYR FOADP Can't wait for the new signings and new season to start J7junctionseven
  • Score: 7

8:02pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Norwegian Saint says...

Cant seem to see Osvaldo, Lovren or Boruc on the videos... and now the Steven Davis video has disappeared on youtube?
Cant seem to see Osvaldo, Lovren or Boruc on the videos... and now the Steven Davis video has disappeared on youtube? Norwegian Saint
  • Score: 3

8:10pm Tue 1 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Harold K Steptoe wrote:
We're going to need those big inflatable guys this season, unless Liverpool want them as well.
Nah!!! Those big inflatable guys are just a total let down.
Bit too static to make the first team.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harold K Steptoe[/bold] wrote: We're going to need those big inflatable guys this season, unless Liverpool want them as well.[/p][/quote]Nah!!! Those big inflatable guys are just a total let down.[/p][/quote]Bit too static to make the first team. jls217
  • Score: 4

8:18pm Tue 1 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

jls217 wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Harold K Steptoe wrote:
We're going to need those big inflatable guys this season, unless Liverpool want them as well.
Nah!!! Those big inflatable guys are just a total let down.
Bit too static to make the first team.
One of those inflatable players ran amok with a drawing pin,
Koeman is said to have stated
"you let the side down, the academy down, me down, but much worse worse you have let yourself down"
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harold K Steptoe[/bold] wrote: We're going to need those big inflatable guys this season, unless Liverpool want them as well.[/p][/quote]Nah!!! Those big inflatable guys are just a total let down.[/p][/quote]Bit too static to make the first team.[/p][/quote]One of those inflatable players ran amok with a drawing pin, Koeman is said to have stated "you let the side down, the academy down, me down, but much worse worse you have let yourself down" warrens 76
  • Score: 11

8:18pm Tue 1 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Norwegian Saint wrote:
Cant seem to see Osvaldo, Lovren or Boruc on the videos... and now the Steven Davis video has disappeared on youtube?
Keep up LN- :- Osvaldo reported sick from the poolside in Miami, Artur just got hitched in Mykonos and Dejan and the other WCs have been given extra time off.
[quote][p][bold]Norwegian Saint[/bold] wrote: Cant seem to see Osvaldo, Lovren or Boruc on the videos... and now the Steven Davis video has disappeared on youtube?[/p][/quote]Keep up LN- :- Osvaldo reported sick from the poolside in Miami, Artur just got hitched in Mykonos and Dejan and the other WCs have been given extra time off. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 6

8:25pm Tue 1 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Churchill Saint wrote:
Koeman isn’t the only one welcoming the start of pre-season. Its been a long close seasons already for us Saints fans. There’s a lot happening at SFC and like most true supporters I am concerned and interested in what has happened and where the future lies. Trouble is there are so few known facts and so many rumours, hearsay and lies, spread mainly by the press, ably assisted by football agents. So I have tried to piece together what has happened based on what we know and making rational assumptions from all the stories flying around. This is therefore my interpretation and opinion and not necessarily fact.
Unlike what some fans on the forum think, the successful team of last season did not start being dismantled last month; it started at the end of 2013. NC and KL had meeting to discuss where the club was going and clearly they were miles apart. Probably a summary is KL was concerned with how much power NC had with the Liebherr money and decided NC needed reigning in. I guess in particular she was concerned about the Academy being 100% over budget and the complete waste of money on the Oswaldo transfer, as two of the more extreme examples of incompetence. NC disagreed and tendered his resignation and starting serving notice. I believe at this stage he told MP of his decision and MP decided he would also leave. I also believe that MP then decided to plot his own future, by giving the impression he was whiter than white and ensuring Saints finished as high as possible. This is the reason why he did not take the Cups seriously – they wouldn’t help his CV but it did allow him concentrate on league position, which would largely determine his ‘value’. I believe he also spoke with the more senior players, distorting the reasons for the fallout between KL and NC, with KL being the wicked witch and NC the good guy. I think his objective was to create division between the owners and more influential players, all to serve his own and NC’s agendas. Why else did we get repeated statements from various senior players pledging their support for MP, saying he must stay? It then makes it easier for them to leave when MP is apparently forced out by the unambitious owners. All of this weakens SFC and strengthens his own hand. When MP said he would leave the first time NC and KL had a row and he threatened to quit, he (MP) was being truthful. When NC did actually quit, MP also decided to quit. Of course, he gallantly said he would fight on until the end of the season but this was only to make him appear a loyal and righteous person. Actually it was just a way to enhance his own CV and anyhow he could negotiate a better deal with Spurs whilst still in employment.
My opinion is that MP was a very good manager – you could actually see an improvement in style in his very first game. However, I believe he is also selfish and devious and I am delighted we are shot of him.
Moving on to now, I think Koeman (RK) was always the Board’s first choice and I am sure they would have discussed the so-called disaffected players. I would bet that RK stated to the Board that he doesn’t want anyone in his squad who is not 100% committed to the club but we should only sell them at inflated valuations, whilst there are clubs out there willing to pay stupid fees and packages (clearly there are). I think Lambert was a special case, I think LS is naïve and easily swayed by others but cannot be blamed for rejecting a trebling of salary and that AL has got too big for his boots, aided and abetted by some choice comments by MP. Actually I think that both AL and LS had made decisions before the world cup so tapping up by Liverpool and ManU players didn’t come into it. I think Lovren will also leave (not 100% committed) and will be sold to the highest bidder. I think (and hope) Morgan could be persuaded to stay; I think he would be the ideal captain and midfield general for the RK era so I just hope our wage structure will allow us to compete with Arsenal. I hope that JRod is mature enough to see through MP’s poison and his attempts to sign him for Spurs.
Looking forward I am very excited about the future and I am very confident RK will develop a squad that will be considerably stronger and deeper than that of last season – he will surely be given the funds to do so. We as fans will need to be patient to give it time to gel. I am very glad that MP has gone and anyone else not committed to SFC. I think NC has been the most influential individual in the history of Southampton Football club (with the possible exception of Lawrie Mac) and his achievement in taking us from near bankruptcy to financial stability and 8th in the Premiership in 5 years is remarkable. HOWEVER, whilst he is spending other people’s money and with his uncompromising style it would always be a case of ‘when’ rather than ‘if’ he quits, so its better he’s gone. I just hope the current regime start treating us as a Football Club and not a Project (as soon as MP talked about the Project, it rang alarm bells in my ears). I have been supporting Saints since first standing at the Milton Road end in 1973 and will support them till the day I die. As fans we support our club through thick and thin for life. A project has a finite time and when finished they want to move on to the next project. Well, supporting a club is not like that.
Wow! Clearly a great deal of thought and hopefully just as much research went into your summary of events.

Sounds plausible given the outcome but having no inside info it's difficult to know.

If your version of how the tale unfolded is correct then we all owe a great deal of thanks for the people in the background at the club who have fought to hold the club together long enough to get the right people into the infrastucture in place who can then make the decisions to find the right names for the squad.
Thanks for taking the time to work your way through this.
[quote][p][bold]Churchill Saint[/bold] wrote: Koeman isn’t the only one welcoming the start of pre-season. Its been a long close seasons already for us Saints fans. There’s a lot happening at SFC and like most true supporters I am concerned and interested in what has happened and where the future lies. Trouble is there are so few known facts and so many rumours, hearsay and lies, spread mainly by the press, ably assisted by football agents. So I have tried to piece together what has happened based on what we know and making rational assumptions from all the stories flying around. This is therefore my interpretation and opinion and not necessarily fact. Unlike what some fans on the forum think, the successful team of last season did not start being dismantled last month; it started at the end of 2013. NC and KL had meeting to discuss where the club was going and clearly they were miles apart. Probably a summary is KL was concerned with how much power NC had with the Liebherr money and decided NC needed reigning in. I guess in particular she was concerned about the Academy being 100% over budget and the complete waste of money on the Oswaldo transfer, as two of the more extreme examples of incompetence. NC disagreed and tendered his resignation and starting serving notice. I believe at this stage he told MP of his decision and MP decided he would also leave. I also believe that MP then decided to plot his own future, by giving the impression he was whiter than white and ensuring Saints finished as high as possible. This is the reason why he did not take the Cups seriously – they wouldn’t help his CV but it did allow him concentrate on league position, which would largely determine his ‘value’. I believe he also spoke with the more senior players, distorting the reasons for the fallout between KL and NC, with KL being the wicked witch and NC the good guy. I think his objective was to create division between the owners and more influential players, all to serve his own and NC’s agendas. Why else did we get repeated statements from various senior players pledging their support for MP, saying he must stay? It then makes it easier for them to leave when MP is apparently forced out by the unambitious owners. All of this weakens SFC and strengthens his own hand. When MP said he would leave the first time NC and KL had a row and he threatened to quit, he (MP) was being truthful. When NC did actually quit, MP also decided to quit. Of course, he gallantly said he would fight on until the end of the season but this was only to make him appear a loyal and righteous person. Actually it was just a way to enhance his own CV and anyhow he could negotiate a better deal with Spurs whilst still in employment. My opinion is that MP was a very good manager – you could actually see an improvement in style in his very first game. However, I believe he is also selfish and devious and I am delighted we are shot of him. Moving on to now, I think Koeman (RK) was always the Board’s first choice and I am sure they would have discussed the so-called disaffected players. I would bet that RK stated to the Board that he doesn’t want anyone in his squad who is not 100% committed to the club but we should only sell them at inflated valuations, whilst there are clubs out there willing to pay stupid fees and packages (clearly there are). I think Lambert was a special case, I think LS is naïve and easily swayed by others but cannot be blamed for rejecting a trebling of salary and that AL has got too big for his boots, aided and abetted by some choice comments by MP. Actually I think that both AL and LS had made decisions before the world cup so tapping up by Liverpool and ManU players didn’t come into it. I think Lovren will also leave (not 100% committed) and will be sold to the highest bidder. I think (and hope) Morgan could be persuaded to stay; I think he would be the ideal captain and midfield general for the RK era so I just hope our wage structure will allow us to compete with Arsenal. I hope that JRod is mature enough to see through MP’s poison and his attempts to sign him for Spurs. Looking forward I am very excited about the future and I am very confident RK will develop a squad that will be considerably stronger and deeper than that of last season – he will surely be given the funds to do so. We as fans will need to be patient to give it time to gel. I am very glad that MP has gone and anyone else not committed to SFC. I think NC has been the most influential individual in the history of Southampton Football club (with the possible exception of Lawrie Mac) and his achievement in taking us from near bankruptcy to financial stability and 8th in the Premiership in 5 years is remarkable. HOWEVER, whilst he is spending other people’s money and with his uncompromising style it would always be a case of ‘when’ rather than ‘if’ he quits, so its better he’s gone. I just hope the current regime start treating us as a Football Club and not a Project (as soon as MP talked about the Project, it rang alarm bells in my ears). I have been supporting Saints since first standing at the Milton Road end in 1973 and will support them till the day I die. As fans we support our club through thick and thin for life. A project has a finite time and when finished they want to move on to the next project. Well, supporting a club is not like that.[/p][/quote]Wow! Clearly a great deal of thought and hopefully just as much research went into your summary of events. Sounds plausible given the outcome but having no inside info it's difficult to know. If your version of how the tale unfolded is correct then we all owe a great deal of thanks for the people in the background at the club who have fought to hold the club together long enough to get the right people into the infrastucture in place who can then make the decisions to find the right names for the squad. Thanks for taking the time to work your way through this. jls217
  • Score: 32

8:25pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Invidia says...

Nice theory Churchill Saint but flawed in many ways it was widely known that some players would be leaving at the end of the season whether that was because MoPo was the instigator of the unrest, probably not, as soon as AL and LS was called up for the England games they started to believe the hype it was obvious that MoPo would leave as he kept stalling on answering questions on whether he was staying or not, we will never know but you have to question the board for not acting earlier. No let me correct that the board were not in place until the end of the season so the fault has to lay at Les Reed's door he is in charge of football matters at the club and should have had contingency plans in place which he obviously did not, If you are happy with what you believe then fine, it is all water under the bridge now and we should all move on who Knows what the future will bring it would not be Saints without controversy would it.

PS if Holland want Koeman to manage them then he will leave us.
Nice theory Churchill Saint but flawed in many ways it was widely known that some players would be leaving at the end of the season whether that was because MoPo was the instigator of the unrest, probably not, as soon as AL and LS was called up for the England games they started to believe the hype it was obvious that MoPo would leave as he kept stalling on answering questions on whether he was staying or not, we will never know but you have to question the board for not acting earlier. No let me correct that the board were not in place until the end of the season so the fault has to lay at Les Reed's door he is in charge of football matters at the club and should have had contingency plans in place which he obviously did not, If you are happy with what you believe then fine, it is all water under the bridge now and we should all move on who Knows what the future will bring it would not be Saints without controversy would it. PS if Holland want Koeman to manage them then he will leave us. Invidia
  • Score: -21

8:26pm Tue 1 Jul 14

M.U.CS1 says...

Probably wondering what he has let himself in for, Cr@p team with shallow fan's, do well, and you too could get yourself a move to a bigger team with a big fan base !
Probably wondering what he has let himself in for, Cr@p team with shallow fan's, do well, and you too could get yourself a move to a bigger team with a big fan base ! M.U.CS1
  • Score: -35

8:29pm Tue 1 Jul 14

jls217 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Norwegian Saint wrote:
Cant seem to see Osvaldo, Lovren or Boruc on the videos... and now the Steven Davis video has disappeared on youtube?
Keep up LN- :- Osvaldo reported sick from the poolside in Miami, Artur just got hitched in Mykonos and Dejan and the other WCs have been given extra time off.
Guess that's Dani showing his complete contempt for the club then.

Congrats to Borat (not to his sister is it?)

The sooner Dejan arrives home the sooner he disappears also.

Just hope Spyderman decides to stay.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Norwegian Saint[/bold] wrote: Cant seem to see Osvaldo, Lovren or Boruc on the videos... and now the Steven Davis video has disappeared on youtube?[/p][/quote]Keep up LN- :- Osvaldo reported sick from the poolside in Miami, Artur just got hitched in Mykonos and Dejan and the other WCs have been given extra time off.[/p][/quote]Guess that's Dani showing his complete contempt for the club then. Congrats to Borat (not to his sister is it?) The sooner Dejan arrives home the sooner he disappears also. Just hope Spyderman decides to stay. jls217
  • Score: 8

8:30pm Tue 1 Jul 14

St Van Roetford says...

Churchill Saint - that's the post of the year (excluding the ones of mine about what I'm having for lunch, obvs). I think you've got it pretty much spot on.

I'm with Team Katharina and proud to go marching into the future with her in charge. We'll rebuild and come back stronger than ever.
Churchill Saint - that's the post of the year (excluding the ones of mine about what I'm having for lunch, obvs). I think you've got it pretty much spot on. I'm with Team Katharina and proud to go marching into the future with her in charge. We'll rebuild and come back stronger than ever. St Van Roetford
  • Score: 38

8:33pm Tue 1 Jul 14

St Van Roetford says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
Probably wondering what he has let himself in for, Cr@p team with shallow fan's, do well, and you too could get yourself a move to a bigger team with a big fan base !
Maybe Man U are a bigger team than us, but Brentford are a bigger team than Pompey. You're not even in the top five south coast clubs. How does that feel? Pretty bad, I guess.
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: Probably wondering what he has let himself in for, Cr@p team with shallow fan's, do well, and you too could get yourself a move to a bigger team with a big fan base ![/p][/quote]Maybe Man U are a bigger team than us, but Brentford are a bigger team than Pompey. You're not even in the top five south coast clubs. How does that feel? Pretty bad, I guess. St Van Roetford
  • Score: 26

8:38pm Tue 1 Jul 14

THE12THMAN says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
Probably wondering what he has let himself in for, Cr@p team with shallow fan's, do well, and you too could get yourself a move to a bigger team with a big fan base !
Does MUSC1 stand for My Usless Club Sucks 1 just wondering .
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: Probably wondering what he has let himself in for, Cr@p team with shallow fan's, do well, and you too could get yourself a move to a bigger team with a big fan base ![/p][/quote]Does MUSC1 stand for My Usless Club Sucks 1 just wondering . THE12THMAN
  • Score: 17

8:47pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

warrens 76 wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Harold K Steptoe wrote:
We're going to need those big inflatable guys this season, unless Liverpool want them as well.
Nah!!! Those big inflatable guys are just a total let down.
Bit too static to make the first team.
One of those inflatable players ran amok with a drawing pin,
Koeman is said to have stated
"you let the side down, the academy down, me down, but much worse worse you have let yourself down"
I guessed this would give you the chance to roll that one out, Warrens :-)

As for the idea that Liverpool would only go and sign them, I don't think so because training would be too hazardous for them. After all, it would only take one pr!ck ......
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harold K Steptoe[/bold] wrote: We're going to need those big inflatable guys this season, unless Liverpool want them as well.[/p][/quote]Nah!!! Those big inflatable guys are just a total let down.[/p][/quote]Bit too static to make the first team.[/p][/quote]One of those inflatable players ran amok with a drawing pin, Koeman is said to have stated "you let the side down, the academy down, me down, but much worse worse you have let yourself down"[/p][/quote]I guessed this would give you the chance to roll that one out, Warrens :-) As for the idea that Liverpool would only go and sign them, I don't think so because training would be too hazardous for them. After all, it would only take one pr!ck ...... Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 7

8:50pm Tue 1 Jul 14

fasteddie49 says...

Churchill Saint wrote:
Koeman isn’t the only one welcoming the start of pre-season. Its been a long close seasons already for us Saints fans. There’s a lot happening at SFC and like most true supporters I am concerned and interested in what has happened and where the future lies. Trouble is there are so few known facts and so many rumours, hearsay and lies, spread mainly by the press, ably assisted by football agents. So I have tried to piece together what has happened based on what we know and making rational assumptions from all the stories flying around. This is therefore my interpretation and opinion and not necessarily fact.
Unlike what some fans on the forum think, the successful team of last season did not start being dismantled last month; it started at the end of 2013. NC and KL had meeting to discuss where the club was going and clearly they were miles apart. Probably a summary is KL was concerned with how much power NC had with the Liebherr money and decided NC needed reigning in. I guess in particular she was concerned about the Academy being 100% over budget and the complete waste of money on the Oswaldo transfer, as two of the more extreme examples of incompetence. NC disagreed and tendered his resignation and starting serving notice. I believe at this stage he told MP of his decision and MP decided he would also leave. I also believe that MP then decided to plot his own future, by giving the impression he was whiter than white and ensuring Saints finished as high as possible. This is the reason why he did not take the Cups seriously – they wouldn’t help his CV but it did allow him concentrate on league position, which would largely determine his ‘value’. I believe he also spoke with the more senior players, distorting the reasons for the fallout between KL and NC, with KL being the wicked witch and NC the good guy. I think his objective was to create division between the owners and more influential players, all to serve his own and NC’s agendas. Why else did we get repeated statements from various senior players pledging their support for MP, saying he must stay? It then makes it easier for them to leave when MP is apparently forced out by the unambitious owners. All of this weakens SFC and strengthens his own hand. When MP said he would leave the first time NC and KL had a row and he threatened to quit, he (MP) was being truthful. When NC did actually quit, MP also decided to quit. Of course, he gallantly said he would fight on until the end of the season but this was only to make him appear a loyal and righteous person. Actually it was just a way to enhance his own CV and anyhow he could negotiate a better deal with Spurs whilst still in employment.
My opinion is that MP was a very good manager – you could actually see an improvement in style in his very first game. However, I believe he is also selfish and devious and I am delighted we are shot of him.
Moving on to now, I think Koeman (RK) was always the Board’s first choice and I am sure they would have discussed the so-called disaffected players. I would bet that RK stated to the Board that he doesn’t want anyone in his squad who is not 100% committed to the club but we should only sell them at inflated valuations, whilst there are clubs out there willing to pay stupid fees and packages (clearly there are). I think Lambert was a special case, I think LS is naïve and easily swayed by others but cannot be blamed for rejecting a trebling of salary and that AL has got too big for his boots, aided and abetted by some choice comments by MP. Actually I think that both AL and LS had made decisions before the world cup so tapping up by Liverpool and ManU players didn’t come into it. I think Lovren will also leave (not 100% committed) and will be sold to the highest bidder. I think (and hope) Morgan could be persuaded to stay; I think he would be the ideal captain and midfield general for the RK era so I just hope our wage structure will allow us to compete with Arsenal. I hope that JRod is mature enough to see through MP’s poison and his attempts to sign him for Spurs.
Looking forward I am very excited about the future and I am very confident RK will develop a squad that will be considerably stronger and deeper than that of last season – he will surely be given the funds to do so. We as fans will need to be patient to give it time to gel. I am very glad that MP has gone and anyone else not committed to SFC. I think NC has been the most influential individual in the history of Southampton Football club (with the possible exception of Lawrie Mac) and his achievement in taking us from near bankruptcy to financial stability and 8th in the Premiership in 5 years is remarkable. HOWEVER, whilst he is spending other people’s money and with his uncompromising style it would always be a case of ‘when’ rather than ‘if’ he quits, so its better he’s gone. I just hope the current regime start treating us as a Football Club and not a Project (as soon as MP talked about the Project, it rang alarm bells in my ears). I have been supporting Saints since first standing at the Milton Road end in 1973 and will support them till the day I die. As fans we support our club through thick and thin for life. A project has a finite time and when finished they want to move on to the next project. Well, supporting a club is not like that.
Brilliant, best comment on here for ages! COYR
[quote][p][bold]Churchill Saint[/bold] wrote: Koeman isn’t the only one welcoming the start of pre-season. Its been a long close seasons already for us Saints fans. There’s a lot happening at SFC and like most true supporters I am concerned and interested in what has happened and where the future lies. Trouble is there are so few known facts and so many rumours, hearsay and lies, spread mainly by the press, ably assisted by football agents. So I have tried to piece together what has happened based on what we know and making rational assumptions from all the stories flying around. This is therefore my interpretation and opinion and not necessarily fact. Unlike what some fans on the forum think, the successful team of last season did not start being dismantled last month; it started at the end of 2013. NC and KL had meeting to discuss where the club was going and clearly they were miles apart. Probably a summary is KL was concerned with how much power NC had with the Liebherr money and decided NC needed reigning in. I guess in particular she was concerned about the Academy being 100% over budget and the complete waste of money on the Oswaldo transfer, as two of the more extreme examples of incompetence. NC disagreed and tendered his resignation and starting serving notice. I believe at this stage he told MP of his decision and MP decided he would also leave. I also believe that MP then decided to plot his own future, by giving the impression he was whiter than white and ensuring Saints finished as high as possible. This is the reason why he did not take the Cups seriously – they wouldn’t help his CV but it did allow him concentrate on league position, which would largely determine his ‘value’. I believe he also spoke with the more senior players, distorting the reasons for the fallout between KL and NC, with KL being the wicked witch and NC the good guy. I think his objective was to create division between the owners and more influential players, all to serve his own and NC’s agendas. Why else did we get repeated statements from various senior players pledging their support for MP, saying he must stay? It then makes it easier for them to leave when MP is apparently forced out by the unambitious owners. All of this weakens SFC and strengthens his own hand. When MP said he would leave the first time NC and KL had a row and he threatened to quit, he (MP) was being truthful. When NC did actually quit, MP also decided to quit. Of course, he gallantly said he would fight on until the end of the season but this was only to make him appear a loyal and righteous person. Actually it was just a way to enhance his own CV and anyhow he could negotiate a better deal with Spurs whilst still in employment. My opinion is that MP was a very good manager – you could actually see an improvement in style in his very first game. However, I believe he is also selfish and devious and I am delighted we are shot of him. Moving on to now, I think Koeman (RK) was always the Board’s first choice and I am sure they would have discussed the so-called disaffected players. I would bet that RK stated to the Board that he doesn’t want anyone in his squad who is not 100% committed to the club but we should only sell them at inflated valuations, whilst there are clubs out there willing to pay stupid fees and packages (clearly there are). I think Lambert was a special case, I think LS is naïve and easily swayed by others but cannot be blamed for rejecting a trebling of salary and that AL has got too big for his boots, aided and abetted by some choice comments by MP. Actually I think that both AL and LS had made decisions before the world cup so tapping up by Liverpool and ManU players didn’t come into it. I think Lovren will also leave (not 100% committed) and will be sold to the highest bidder. I think (and hope) Morgan could be persuaded to stay; I think he would be the ideal captain and midfield general for the RK era so I just hope our wage structure will allow us to compete with Arsenal. I hope that JRod is mature enough to see through MP’s poison and his attempts to sign him for Spurs. Looking forward I am very excited about the future and I am very confident RK will develop a squad that will be considerably stronger and deeper than that of last season – he will surely be given the funds to do so. We as fans will need to be patient to give it time to gel. I am very glad that MP has gone and anyone else not committed to SFC. I think NC has been the most influential individual in the history of Southampton Football club (with the possible exception of Lawrie Mac) and his achievement in taking us from near bankruptcy to financial stability and 8th in the Premiership in 5 years is remarkable. HOWEVER, whilst he is spending other people’s money and with his uncompromising style it would always be a case of ‘when’ rather than ‘if’ he quits, so its better he’s gone. I just hope the current regime start treating us as a Football Club and not a Project (as soon as MP talked about the Project, it rang alarm bells in my ears). I have been supporting Saints since first standing at the Milton Road end in 1973 and will support them till the day I die. As fans we support our club through thick and thin for life. A project has a finite time and when finished they want to move on to the next project. Well, supporting a club is not like that.[/p][/quote]Brilliant, best comment on here for ages! COYR fasteddie49
  • Score: 18

8:52pm Tue 1 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
Probably wondering what he has let himself in for, Cr@p team with shallow fan's, do well, and you too could get yourself a move to a bigger team with a big fan base !
Sorry are you talking about Luke Shaw by any chance?
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: Probably wondering what he has let himself in for, Cr@p team with shallow fan's, do well, and you too could get yourself a move to a bigger team with a big fan base ![/p][/quote]Sorry are you talking about Luke Shaw by any chance? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 17

8:54pm Tue 1 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

warrens 76 wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Harold K Steptoe wrote:
We're going to need those big inflatable guys this season, unless Liverpool want them as well.
Nah!!! Those big inflatable guys are just a total let down.
Bit too static to make the first team.
One of those inflatable players ran amok with a drawing pin,
Koeman is said to have stated
"you let the side down, the academy down, me down, but much worse worse you have let yourself down"
That wasn't an inflatable, that was Billy Sharp, show some respect please.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harold K Steptoe[/bold] wrote: We're going to need those big inflatable guys this season, unless Liverpool want them as well.[/p][/quote]Nah!!! Those big inflatable guys are just a total let down.[/p][/quote]Bit too static to make the first team.[/p][/quote]One of those inflatable players ran amok with a drawing pin, Koeman is said to have stated "you let the side down, the academy down, me down, but much worse worse you have let yourself down"[/p][/quote]That wasn't an inflatable, that was Billy Sharp, show some respect please. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 7

9:14pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Jesus_02 says...

fasteddie49 wrote:
Churchill Saint wrote:
Koeman isn’t the only one welcoming the start of pre-season. Its been a long close seasons already for us Saints fans. There’s a lot happening at SFC and like most true supporters I am concerned and interested in what has happened and where the future lies. Trouble is there are so few known facts and so many rumours, hearsay and lies, spread mainly by the press, ably assisted by football agents. So I have tried to piece together what has happened based on what we know and making rational assumptions from all the stories flying around. This is therefore my interpretation and opinion and not necessarily fact.
Unlike what some fans on the forum think, the successful team of last season did not start being dismantled last month; it started at the end of 2013. NC and KL had meeting to discuss where the club was going and clearly they were miles apart. Probably a summary is KL was concerned with how much power NC had with the Liebherr money and decided NC needed reigning in. I guess in particular she was concerned about the Academy being 100% over budget and the complete waste of money on the Oswaldo transfer, as two of the more extreme examples of incompetence. NC disagreed and tendered his resignation and starting serving notice. I believe at this stage he told MP of his decision and MP decided he would also leave. I also believe that MP then decided to plot his own future, by giving the impression he was whiter than white and ensuring Saints finished as high as possible. This is the reason why he did not take the Cups seriously – they wouldn’t help his CV but it did allow him concentrate on league position, which would largely determine his ‘value’. I believe he also spoke with the more senior players, distorting the reasons for the fallout between KL and NC, with KL being the wicked witch and NC the good guy. I think his objective was to create division between the owners and more influential players, all to serve his own and NC’s agendas. Why else did we get repeated statements from various senior players pledging their support for MP, saying he must stay? It then makes it easier for them to leave when MP is apparently forced out by the unambitious owners. All of this weakens SFC and strengthens his own hand. When MP said he would leave the first time NC and KL had a row and he threatened to quit, he (MP) was being truthful. When NC did actually quit, MP also decided to quit. Of course, he gallantly said he would fight on until the end of the season but this was only to make him appear a loyal and righteous person. Actually it was just a way to enhance his own CV and anyhow he could negotiate a better deal with Spurs whilst still in employment.
My opinion is that MP was a very good manager – you could actually see an improvement in style in his very first game. However, I believe he is also selfish and devious and I am delighted we are shot of him.
Moving on to now, I think Koeman (RK) was always the Board’s first choice and I am sure they would have discussed the so-called disaffected players. I would bet that RK stated to the Board that he doesn’t want anyone in his squad who is not 100% committed to the club but we should only sell them at inflated valuations, whilst there are clubs out there willing to pay stupid fees and packages (clearly there are). I think Lambert was a special case, I think LS is naïve and easily swayed by others but cannot be blamed for rejecting a trebling of salary and that AL has got too big for his boots, aided and abetted by some choice comments by MP. Actually I think that both AL and LS had made decisions before the world cup so tapping up by Liverpool and ManU players didn’t come into it. I think Lovren will also leave (not 100% committed) and will be sold to the highest bidder. I think (and hope) Morgan could be persuaded to stay; I think he would be the ideal captain and midfield general for the RK era so I just hope our wage structure will allow us to compete with Arsenal. I hope that JRod is mature enough to see through MP’s poison and his attempts to sign him for Spurs.
Looking forward I am very excited about the future and I am very confident RK will develop a squad that will be considerably stronger and deeper than that of last season – he will surely be given the funds to do so. We as fans will need to be patient to give it time to gel. I am very glad that MP has gone and anyone else not committed to SFC. I think NC has been the most influential individual in the history of Southampton Football club (with the possible exception of Lawrie Mac) and his achievement in taking us from near bankruptcy to financial stability and 8th in the Premiership in 5 years is remarkable. HOWEVER, whilst he is spending other people’s money and with his uncompromising style it would always be a case of ‘when’ rather than ‘if’ he quits, so its better he’s gone. I just hope the current regime start treating us as a Football Club and not a Project (as soon as MP talked about the Project, it rang alarm bells in my ears). I have been supporting Saints since first standing at the Milton Road end in 1973 and will support them till the day I die. As fans we support our club through thick and thin for life. A project has a finite time and when finished they want to move on to the next project. Well, supporting a club is not like that.
Brilliant, best comment on here for ages! COYR
why... what has Cortese got to gain from poisoning saints players against the club? Personalaly I think they all had saints best intrests at heart however KL was just worried about losing her families wealth. She wanted NC to stay but Cortese doesn't work like that.

My feeling is that we will struggle next season but after that we will begin to grow again. I don't think we will push for Europe, but I do think we will get cup success in the next few years.. and hey 6 years ago fans would have been happy with that
[quote][p][bold]fasteddie49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Churchill Saint[/bold] wrote: Koeman isn’t the only one welcoming the start of pre-season. Its been a long close seasons already for us Saints fans. There’s a lot happening at SFC and like most true supporters I am concerned and interested in what has happened and where the future lies. Trouble is there are so few known facts and so many rumours, hearsay and lies, spread mainly by the press, ably assisted by football agents. So I have tried to piece together what has happened based on what we know and making rational assumptions from all the stories flying around. This is therefore my interpretation and opinion and not necessarily fact. Unlike what some fans on the forum think, the successful team of last season did not start being dismantled last month; it started at the end of 2013. NC and KL had meeting to discuss where the club was going and clearly they were miles apart. Probably a summary is KL was concerned with how much power NC had with the Liebherr money and decided NC needed reigning in. I guess in particular she was concerned about the Academy being 100% over budget and the complete waste of money on the Oswaldo transfer, as two of the more extreme examples of incompetence. NC disagreed and tendered his resignation and starting serving notice. I believe at this stage he told MP of his decision and MP decided he would also leave. I also believe that MP then decided to plot his own future, by giving the impression he was whiter than white and ensuring Saints finished as high as possible. This is the reason why he did not take the Cups seriously – they wouldn’t help his CV but it did allow him concentrate on league position, which would largely determine his ‘value’. I believe he also spoke with the more senior players, distorting the reasons for the fallout between KL and NC, with KL being the wicked witch and NC the good guy. I think his objective was to create division between the owners and more influential players, all to serve his own and NC’s agendas. Why else did we get repeated statements from various senior players pledging their support for MP, saying he must stay? It then makes it easier for them to leave when MP is apparently forced out by the unambitious owners. All of this weakens SFC and strengthens his own hand. When MP said he would leave the first time NC and KL had a row and he threatened to quit, he (MP) was being truthful. When NC did actually quit, MP also decided to quit. Of course, he gallantly said he would fight on until the end of the season but this was only to make him appear a loyal and righteous person. Actually it was just a way to enhance his own CV and anyhow he could negotiate a better deal with Spurs whilst still in employment. My opinion is that MP was a very good manager – you could actually see an improvement in style in his very first game. However, I believe he is also selfish and devious and I am delighted we are shot of him. Moving on to now, I think Koeman (RK) was always the Board’s first choice and I am sure they would have discussed the so-called disaffected players. I would bet that RK stated to the Board that he doesn’t want anyone in his squad who is not 100% committed to the club but we should only sell them at inflated valuations, whilst there are clubs out there willing to pay stupid fees and packages (clearly there are). I think Lambert was a special case, I think LS is naïve and easily swayed by others but cannot be blamed for rejecting a trebling of salary and that AL has got too big for his boots, aided and abetted by some choice comments by MP. Actually I think that both AL and LS had made decisions before the world cup so tapping up by Liverpool and ManU players didn’t come into it. I think Lovren will also leave (not 100% committed) and will be sold to the highest bidder. I think (and hope) Morgan could be persuaded to stay; I think he would be the ideal captain and midfield general for the RK era so I just hope our wage structure will allow us to compete with Arsenal. I hope that JRod is mature enough to see through MP’s poison and his attempts to sign him for Spurs. Looking forward I am very excited about the future and I am very confident RK will develop a squad that will be considerably stronger and deeper than that of last season – he will surely be given the funds to do so. We as fans will need to be patient to give it time to gel. I am very glad that MP has gone and anyone else not committed to SFC. I think NC has been the most influential individual in the history of Southampton Football club (with the possible exception of Lawrie Mac) and his achievement in taking us from near bankruptcy to financial stability and 8th in the Premiership in 5 years is remarkable. HOWEVER, whilst he is spending other people’s money and with his uncompromising style it would always be a case of ‘when’ rather than ‘if’ he quits, so its better he’s gone. I just hope the current regime start treating us as a Football Club and not a Project (as soon as MP talked about the Project, it rang alarm bells in my ears). I have been supporting Saints since first standing at the Milton Road end in 1973 and will support them till the day I die. As fans we support our club through thick and thin for life. A project has a finite time and when finished they want to move on to the next project. Well, supporting a club is not like that.[/p][/quote]Brilliant, best comment on here for ages! COYR[/p][/quote]why... what has Cortese got to gain from poisoning saints players against the club? Personalaly I think they all had saints best intrests at heart however KL was just worried about losing her families wealth. She wanted NC to stay but Cortese doesn't work like that. My feeling is that we will struggle next season but after that we will begin to grow again. I don't think we will push for Europe, but I do think we will get cup success in the next few years.. and hey 6 years ago fans would have been happy with that Jesus_02
  • Score: -3

9:27pm Tue 1 Jul 14

sparky130a says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
Probably wondering what he has let himself in for, Cr@p team with shallow fan's, do well, and you too could get yourself a move to a bigger team with a big fan base !
Spot the oxymoron moron.... ;-)
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: Probably wondering what he has let himself in for, Cr@p team with shallow fan's, do well, and you too could get yourself a move to a bigger team with a big fan base ![/p][/quote]Spot the oxymoron moron.... ;-) sparky130a
  • Score: 2

9:32pm Tue 1 Jul 14

north wales saint 2 says...

First of all after Mo Po,s disappearance I was so disappointed but when we appointed Mr Koeman then I thought not too bad.But in the meantime why do our players from last season seem in such a hurry to depart after signing long contracts knowing what money they would be on,it does not make sense.Now if we sign new players and finish 8th ish in the new season will the same thing happen again.I believe we are having new L E D floodlights installed on the roof of existing stands when surely we need to increase ground capacity,I believe the only way is up,then surely if we can increase bums on seats we may be able to offer players wages to match the big boys.Until this happens I fear we will be forever selling our highly treasured academy talent.
First of all after Mo Po,s disappearance I was so disappointed but when we appointed Mr Koeman then I thought not too bad.But in the meantime why do our players from last season seem in such a hurry to depart after signing long contracts knowing what money they would be on,it does not make sense.Now if we sign new players and finish 8th ish in the new season will the same thing happen again.I believe we are having new L E D floodlights installed on the roof of existing stands when surely we need to increase ground capacity,I believe the only way is up,then surely if we can increase bums on seats we may be able to offer players wages to match the big boys.Until this happens I fear we will be forever selling our highly treasured academy talent. north wales saint 2
  • Score: 8

9:39pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Block 42 says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
I presume that is the new training kit they are wearing, looks ok to me. Hope the new home kit is red and white stripes, black shorts and white socks with red tops, that would be perfect.
Why are you wanting to go down that route..its not a nice look...athletico madrid are the only ones who can pull off red n white stripes..that is all...I guess u want that retarded yellow jersey also?
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: I presume that is the new training kit they are wearing, looks ok to me. Hope the new home kit is red and white stripes, black shorts and white socks with red tops, that would be perfect.[/p][/quote]Why are you wanting to go down that route..its not a nice look...athletico madrid are the only ones who can pull off red n white stripes..that is all...I guess u want that retarded yellow jersey also? Block 42
  • Score: -1

9:40pm Tue 1 Jul 14

sparky130a says...

north wales saint 2 wrote:
First of all after Mo Po,s disappearance I was so disappointed but when we appointed Mr Koeman then I thought not too bad.But in the meantime why do our players from last season seem in such a hurry to depart after signing long contracts knowing what money they would be on,it does not make sense.Now if we sign new players and finish 8th ish in the new season will the same thing happen again.I believe we are having new L E D floodlights installed on the roof of existing stands when surely we need to increase ground capacity,I believe the only way is up,then surely if we can increase bums on seats we may be able to offer players wages to match the big boys.Until this happens I fear we will be forever selling our highly treasured academy talent.
I'd question the capital expenditure of increasing capacity. You'll always fill the seats for cat A games but could you really manage it for lower placed teams and early cup games?

I'm not convinced...
[quote][p][bold]north wales saint 2[/bold] wrote: First of all after Mo Po,s disappearance I was so disappointed but when we appointed Mr Koeman then I thought not too bad.But in the meantime why do our players from last season seem in such a hurry to depart after signing long contracts knowing what money they would be on,it does not make sense.Now if we sign new players and finish 8th ish in the new season will the same thing happen again.I believe we are having new L E D floodlights installed on the roof of existing stands when surely we need to increase ground capacity,I believe the only way is up,then surely if we can increase bums on seats we may be able to offer players wages to match the big boys.Until this happens I fear we will be forever selling our highly treasured academy talent.[/p][/quote]I'd question the capital expenditure of increasing capacity. You'll always fill the seats for cat A games but could you really manage it for lower placed teams and early cup games? I'm not convinced... sparky130a
  • Score: 0

9:46pm Tue 1 Jul 14

donni1437 says...

Do we have any left?
Do we have any left? donni1437
  • Score: 1

9:47pm Tue 1 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

sparky130a wrote:
north wales saint 2 wrote:
First of all after Mo Po,s disappearance I was so disappointed but when we appointed Mr Koeman then I thought not too bad.But in the meantime why do our players from last season seem in such a hurry to depart after signing long contracts knowing what money they would be on,it does not make sense.Now if we sign new players and finish 8th ish in the new season will the same thing happen again.I believe we are having new L E D floodlights installed on the roof of existing stands when surely we need to increase ground capacity,I believe the only way is up,then surely if we can increase bums on seats we may be able to offer players wages to match the big boys.Until this happens I fear we will be forever selling our highly treasured academy talent.
I'd question the capital expenditure of increasing capacity. You'll always fill the seats for cat A games but could you really manage it for lower placed teams and early cup games?

I'm not convinced...
Someone did a comprehensive feasibility study recently and although increasing the capacity is possible and it would create more seats, this alone wouldn't repay the cost of doing it. It needs more guaranteed success to make it worth while, we are back to square one in the Premier and need to regroup, if we can get the bus running well, in time, expansion or a move to a larger ground could be on the cards. IMO
[quote][p][bold]sparky130a[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]north wales saint 2[/bold] wrote: First of all after Mo Po,s disappearance I was so disappointed but when we appointed Mr Koeman then I thought not too bad.But in the meantime why do our players from last season seem in such a hurry to depart after signing long contracts knowing what money they would be on,it does not make sense.Now if we sign new players and finish 8th ish in the new season will the same thing happen again.I believe we are having new L E D floodlights installed on the roof of existing stands when surely we need to increase ground capacity,I believe the only way is up,then surely if we can increase bums on seats we may be able to offer players wages to match the big boys.Until this happens I fear we will be forever selling our highly treasured academy talent.[/p][/quote]I'd question the capital expenditure of increasing capacity. You'll always fill the seats for cat A games but could you really manage it for lower placed teams and early cup games? I'm not convinced...[/p][/quote]Someone did a comprehensive feasibility study recently and although increasing the capacity is possible and it would create more seats, this alone wouldn't repay the cost of doing it. It needs more guaranteed success to make it worth while, we are back to square one in the Premier and need to regroup, if we can get the bus running well, in time, expansion or a move to a larger ground could be on the cards. IMO OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 5

9:50pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Churchill Saint says...

Jesus_02 wrote:
fasteddie49 wrote:
Churchill Saint wrote:
Koeman isn’t the only one welcoming the start of pre-season. Its been a long close seasons already for us Saints fans. There’s a lot happening at SFC and like most true supporters I am concerned and interested in what has happened and where the future lies. Trouble is there are so few known facts and so many rumours, hearsay and lies, spread mainly by the press, ably assisted by football agents. So I have tried to piece together what has happened based on what we know and making rational assumptions from all the stories flying around. This is therefore my interpretation and opinion and not necessarily fact.
Unlike what some fans on the forum think, the successful team of last season did not start being dismantled last month; it started at the end of 2013. NC and KL had meeting to discuss where the club was going and clearly they were miles apart. Probably a summary is KL was concerned with how much power NC had with the Liebherr money and decided NC needed reigning in. I guess in particular she was concerned about the Academy being 100% over budget and the complete waste of money on the Oswaldo transfer, as two of the more extreme examples of incompetence. NC disagreed and tendered his resignation and starting serving notice. I believe at this stage he told MP of his decision and MP decided he would also leave. I also believe that MP then decided to plot his own future, by giving the impression he was whiter than white and ensuring Saints finished as high as possible. This is the reason why he did not take the Cups seriously – they wouldn’t help his CV but it did allow him concentrate on league position, which would largely determine his ‘value’. I believe he also spoke with the more senior players, distorting the reasons for the fallout between KL and NC, with KL being the wicked witch and NC the good guy. I think his objective was to create division between the owners and more influential players, all to serve his own and NC’s agendas. Why else did we get repeated statements from various senior players pledging their support for MP, saying he must stay? It then makes it easier for them to leave when MP is apparently forced out by the unambitious owners. All of this weakens SFC and strengthens his own hand. When MP said he would leave the first time NC and KL had a row and he threatened to quit, he (MP) was being truthful. When NC did actually quit, MP also decided to quit. Of course, he gallantly said he would fight on until the end of the season but this was only to make him appear a loyal and righteous person. Actually it was just a way to enhance his own CV and anyhow he could negotiate a better deal with Spurs whilst still in employment.
My opinion is that MP was a very good manager – you could actually see an improvement in style in his very first game. However, I believe he is also selfish and devious and I am delighted we are shot of him.
Moving on to now, I think Koeman (RK) was always the Board’s first choice and I am sure they would have discussed the so-called disaffected players. I would bet that RK stated to the Board that he doesn’t want anyone in his squad who is not 100% committed to the club but we should only sell them at inflated valuations, whilst there are clubs out there willing to pay stupid fees and packages (clearly there are). I think Lambert was a special case, I think LS is naïve and easily swayed by others but cannot be blamed for rejecting a trebling of salary and that AL has got too big for his boots, aided and abetted by some choice comments by MP. Actually I think that both AL and LS had made decisions before the world cup so tapping up by Liverpool and ManU players didn’t come into it. I think Lovren will also leave (not 100% committed) and will be sold to the highest bidder. I think (and hope) Morgan could be persuaded to stay; I think he would be the ideal captain and midfield general for the RK era so I just hope our wage structure will allow us to compete with Arsenal. I hope that JRod is mature enough to see through MP’s poison and his attempts to sign him for Spurs.
Looking forward I am very excited about the future and I am very confident RK will develop a squad that will be considerably stronger and deeper than that of last season – he will surely be given the funds to do so. We as fans will need to be patient to give it time to gel. I am very glad that MP has gone and anyone else not committed to SFC. I think NC has been the most influential individual in the history of Southampton Football club (with the possible exception of Lawrie Mac) and his achievement in taking us from near bankruptcy to financial stability and 8th in the Premiership in 5 years is remarkable. HOWEVER, whilst he is spending other people’s money and with his uncompromising style it would always be a case of ‘when’ rather than ‘if’ he quits, so its better he’s gone. I just hope the current regime start treating us as a Football Club and not a Project (as soon as MP talked about the Project, it rang alarm bells in my ears). I have been supporting Saints since first standing at the Milton Road end in 1973 and will support them till the day I die. As fans we support our club through thick and thin for life. A project has a finite time and when finished they want to move on to the next project. Well, supporting a club is not like that.
Brilliant, best comment on here for ages! COYR
why... what has Cortese got to gain from poisoning saints players against the club? Personalaly I think they all had saints best intrests at heart however KL was just worried about losing her families wealth. She wanted NC to stay but Cortese doesn't work like that.

My feeling is that we will struggle next season but after that we will begin to grow again. I don't think we will push for Europe, but I do think we will get cup success in the next few years.. and hey 6 years ago fans would have been happy with that
To answer your question, NC will be back in English football - different club, different financier. He needs to make his record look perfect. He wants the credit for the good bits (bottom on L1 to 8th in PL) but the bad bits (lack of ambition, senior players leaving etc etc) is the fault of KL and the Board. In fact, he's already said as much in a BBC interview just last month. There is nothing he does without a reason- part of his plan
[quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fasteddie49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Churchill Saint[/bold] wrote: Koeman isn’t the only one welcoming the start of pre-season. Its been a long close seasons already for us Saints fans. There’s a lot happening at SFC and like most true supporters I am concerned and interested in what has happened and where the future lies. Trouble is there are so few known facts and so many rumours, hearsay and lies, spread mainly by the press, ably assisted by football agents. So I have tried to piece together what has happened based on what we know and making rational assumptions from all the stories flying around. This is therefore my interpretation and opinion and not necessarily fact. Unlike what some fans on the forum think, the successful team of last season did not start being dismantled last month; it started at the end of 2013. NC and KL had meeting to discuss where the club was going and clearly they were miles apart. Probably a summary is KL was concerned with how much power NC had with the Liebherr money and decided NC needed reigning in. I guess in particular she was concerned about the Academy being 100% over budget and the complete waste of money on the Oswaldo transfer, as two of the more extreme examples of incompetence. NC disagreed and tendered his resignation and starting serving notice. I believe at this stage he told MP of his decision and MP decided he would also leave. I also believe that MP then decided to plot his own future, by giving the impression he was whiter than white and ensuring Saints finished as high as possible. This is the reason why he did not take the Cups seriously – they wouldn’t help his CV but it did allow him concentrate on league position, which would largely determine his ‘value’. I believe he also spoke with the more senior players, distorting the reasons for the fallout between KL and NC, with KL being the wicked witch and NC the good guy. I think his objective was to create division between the owners and more influential players, all to serve his own and NC’s agendas. Why else did we get repeated statements from various senior players pledging their support for MP, saying he must stay? It then makes it easier for them to leave when MP is apparently forced out by the unambitious owners. All of this weakens SFC and strengthens his own hand. When MP said he would leave the first time NC and KL had a row and he threatened to quit, he (MP) was being truthful. When NC did actually quit, MP also decided to quit. Of course, he gallantly said he would fight on until the end of the season but this was only to make him appear a loyal and righteous person. Actually it was just a way to enhance his own CV and anyhow he could negotiate a better deal with Spurs whilst still in employment. My opinion is that MP was a very good manager – you could actually see an improvement in style in his very first game. However, I believe he is also selfish and devious and I am delighted we are shot of him. Moving on to now, I think Koeman (RK) was always the Board’s first choice and I am sure they would have discussed the so-called disaffected players. I would bet that RK stated to the Board that he doesn’t want anyone in his squad who is not 100% committed to the club but we should only sell them at inflated valuations, whilst there are clubs out there willing to pay stupid fees and packages (clearly there are). I think Lambert was a special case, I think LS is naïve and easily swayed by others but cannot be blamed for rejecting a trebling of salary and that AL has got too big for his boots, aided and abetted by some choice comments by MP. Actually I think that both AL and LS had made decisions before the world cup so tapping up by Liverpool and ManU players didn’t come into it. I think Lovren will also leave (not 100% committed) and will be sold to the highest bidder. I think (and hope) Morgan could be persuaded to stay; I think he would be the ideal captain and midfield general for the RK era so I just hope our wage structure will allow us to compete with Arsenal. I hope that JRod is mature enough to see through MP’s poison and his attempts to sign him for Spurs. Looking forward I am very excited about the future and I am very confident RK will develop a squad that will be considerably stronger and deeper than that of last season – he will surely be given the funds to do so. We as fans will need to be patient to give it time to gel. I am very glad that MP has gone and anyone else not committed to SFC. I think NC has been the most influential individual in the history of Southampton Football club (with the possible exception of Lawrie Mac) and his achievement in taking us from near bankruptcy to financial stability and 8th in the Premiership in 5 years is remarkable. HOWEVER, whilst he is spending other people’s money and with his uncompromising style it would always be a case of ‘when’ rather than ‘if’ he quits, so its better he’s gone. I just hope the current regime start treating us as a Football Club and not a Project (as soon as MP talked about the Project, it rang alarm bells in my ears). I have been supporting Saints since first standing at the Milton Road end in 1973 and will support them till the day I die. As fans we support our club through thick and thin for life. A project has a finite time and when finished they want to move on to the next project. Well, supporting a club is not like that.[/p][/quote]Brilliant, best comment on here for ages! COYR[/p][/quote]why... what has Cortese got to gain from poisoning saints players against the club? Personalaly I think they all had saints best intrests at heart however KL was just worried about losing her families wealth. She wanted NC to stay but Cortese doesn't work like that. My feeling is that we will struggle next season but after that we will begin to grow again. I don't think we will push for Europe, but I do think we will get cup success in the next few years.. and hey 6 years ago fans would have been happy with that[/p][/quote]To answer your question, NC will be back in English football - different club, different financier. He needs to make his record look perfect. He wants the credit for the good bits (bottom on L1 to 8th in PL) but the bad bits (lack of ambition, senior players leaving etc etc) is the fault of KL and the Board. In fact, he's already said as much in a BBC interview just last month. There is nothing he does without a reason- part of his plan Churchill Saint
  • Score: 0

9:51pm Tue 1 Jul 14

north wales saint 2 says...

sparky130a wrote:
north wales saint 2 wrote:
First of all after Mo Po,s disappearance I was so disappointed but when we appointed Mr Koeman then I thought not too bad.But in the meantime why do our players from last season seem in such a hurry to depart after signing long contracts knowing what money they would be on,it does not make sense.Now if we sign new players and finish 8th ish in the new season will the same thing happen again.I believe we are having new L E D floodlights installed on the roof of existing stands when surely we need to increase ground capacity,I believe the only way is up,then surely if we can increase bums on seats we may be able to offer players wages to match the big boys.Until this happens I fear we will be forever selling our highly treasured academy talent.
I'd question the capital expenditure of increasing capacity. You'll always fill the seats for cat A games but could you really manage it for lower placed teams and early cup games?

I'm not convinced...
so what,s you answer then,carry on as we are and keep selling our star assets.Rupert Lowe in his wisdom and this is one thing I think he got right was we could expand the stadium by going up.Look how many fans turned up for the paint pot.If we could have a sustained winning team I think we could certainly make a challenge for the top 6 maybe 4 and isn,t that an incentive for players to want to stay plus increased wages
[quote][p][bold]sparky130a[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]north wales saint 2[/bold] wrote: First of all after Mo Po,s disappearance I was so disappointed but when we appointed Mr Koeman then I thought not too bad.But in the meantime why do our players from last season seem in such a hurry to depart after signing long contracts knowing what money they would be on,it does not make sense.Now if we sign new players and finish 8th ish in the new season will the same thing happen again.I believe we are having new L E D floodlights installed on the roof of existing stands when surely we need to increase ground capacity,I believe the only way is up,then surely if we can increase bums on seats we may be able to offer players wages to match the big boys.Until this happens I fear we will be forever selling our highly treasured academy talent.[/p][/quote]I'd question the capital expenditure of increasing capacity. You'll always fill the seats for cat A games but could you really manage it for lower placed teams and early cup games? I'm not convinced...[/p][/quote]so what,s you answer then,carry on as we are and keep selling our star assets.Rupert Lowe in his wisdom and this is one thing I think he got right was we could expand the stadium by going up.Look how many fans turned up for the paint pot.If we could have a sustained winning team I think we could certainly make a challenge for the top 6 maybe 4 and isn,t that an incentive for players to want to stay plus increased wages north wales saint 2
  • Score: 2

10:10pm Tue 1 Jul 14

saints fan #1 says...

I will only be happy when we make high profile signings. message to the Board take your time and get the RIGHT players in. Players who will commit and be loyal something hard to find nowadays but if we can hit our goals even with the leap frogs i'll still be happy. COYR
I will only be happy when we make high profile signings. message to the Board take your time and get the RIGHT players in. Players who will commit and be loyal something hard to find nowadays but if we can hit our goals even with the leap frogs i'll still be happy. COYR saints fan #1
  • Score: 2

10:11pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Table robe Saint says...

I hope the new kit is well made. They look a bit tight on our new coaches.
Let's hope RoKo & Sammy Lee can lose some weight and set a good example to the players. Now I know who ate all the pies.
I hope the new kit is well made. They look a bit tight on our new coaches. Let's hope RoKo & Sammy Lee can lose some weight and set a good example to the players. Now I know who ate all the pies. Table robe Saint
  • Score: 3

10:14pm Tue 1 Jul 14

sparky130a says...

north wales saint 2 wrote:
sparky130a wrote:
north wales saint 2 wrote:
First of all after Mo Po,s disappearance I was so disappointed but when we appointed Mr Koeman then I thought not too bad.But in the meantime why do our players from last season seem in such a hurry to depart after signing long contracts knowing what money they would be on,it does not make sense.Now if we sign new players and finish 8th ish in the new season will the same thing happen again.I believe we are having new L E D floodlights installed on the roof of existing stands when surely we need to increase ground capacity,I believe the only way is up,then surely if we can increase bums on seats we may be able to offer players wages to match the big boys.Until this happens I fear we will be forever selling our highly treasured academy talent.
I'd question the capital expenditure of increasing capacity. You'll always fill the seats for cat A games but could you really manage it for lower placed teams and early cup games?

I'm not convinced...
so what,s you answer then,carry on as we are and keep selling our star assets.Rupert Lowe in his wisdom and this is one thing I think he got right was we could expand the stadium by going up.Look how many fans turned up for the paint pot.If we could have a sustained winning team I think we could certainly make a challenge for the top 6 maybe 4 and isn,t that an incentive for players to want to stay plus increased wages
Honestly, if i knew that i wouldn't be debating that answer i'd be enacting it!

My opinion...

Get a new quality manager.. Done

Start the speculation on new signings.. Done

Convince the other quality players to stay.. Unknown

Turn the tide and give the fans good news.. We'll see

The state we're in at the minute those short term goals need to be achieved to facilitate any long term goals or infrastructure. Let's get the confidence back and weather this storm and prove we belong at the premiership top table before committing to expensive expansion.

Having said that i truly believe the board need to be more transparent of their future intentions. And i mean years ahead not months. Doubt that'll happen though!
[quote][p][bold]north wales saint 2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sparky130a[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]north wales saint 2[/bold] wrote: First of all after Mo Po,s disappearance I was so disappointed but when we appointed Mr Koeman then I thought not too bad.But in the meantime why do our players from last season seem in such a hurry to depart after signing long contracts knowing what money they would be on,it does not make sense.Now if we sign new players and finish 8th ish in the new season will the same thing happen again.I believe we are having new L E D floodlights installed on the roof of existing stands when surely we need to increase ground capacity,I believe the only way is up,then surely if we can increase bums on seats we may be able to offer players wages to match the big boys.Until this happens I fear we will be forever selling our highly treasured academy talent.[/p][/quote]I'd question the capital expenditure of increasing capacity. You'll always fill the seats for cat A games but could you really manage it for lower placed teams and early cup games? I'm not convinced...[/p][/quote]so what,s you answer then,carry on as we are and keep selling our star assets.Rupert Lowe in his wisdom and this is one thing I think he got right was we could expand the stadium by going up.Look how many fans turned up for the paint pot.If we could have a sustained winning team I think we could certainly make a challenge for the top 6 maybe 4 and isn,t that an incentive for players to want to stay plus increased wages[/p][/quote]Honestly, if i knew that i wouldn't be debating that answer i'd be enacting it! My opinion... Get a new quality manager.. Done Start the speculation on new signings.. Done Convince the other quality players to stay.. Unknown Turn the tide and give the fans good news.. We'll see The state we're in at the minute those short term goals need to be achieved to facilitate any long term goals or infrastructure. Let's get the confidence back and weather this storm and prove we belong at the premiership top table before committing to expensive expansion. Having said that i truly believe the board need to be more transparent of their future intentions. And i mean years ahead not months. Doubt that'll happen though! sparky130a
  • Score: 1

10:16pm Tue 1 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

sparky130a wrote:
north wales saint 2 wrote:
First of all after Mo Po,s disappearance I was so disappointed but when we appointed Mr Koeman then I thought not too bad.But in the meantime why do our players from last season seem in such a hurry to depart after signing long contracts knowing what money they would be on,it does not make sense.Now if we sign new players and finish 8th ish in the new season will the same thing happen again.I believe we are having new L E D floodlights installed on the roof of existing stands when surely we need to increase ground capacity,I believe the only way is up,then surely if we can increase bums on seats we may be able to offer players wages to match the big boys.Until this happens I fear we will be forever selling our highly treasured academy talent.
I'd question the capital expenditure of increasing capacity. You'll always fill the seats for cat A games but could you really manage it for lower placed teams and early cup games?

I'm not convinced...
Our stadium is unfortunately a cut and paste affair, that picture we were given last year of the idea of the stadium revamp was jaw dropping, the players have to feel they have alread arrived in a coliseum which mirrors their dreams and ambitions….

..the ground and it's name are of ultimate importance for the this is Anfield effect, the ability to grow a huge loyal and southern power base for generations to come do deals on category c games and cup games…

..present something so impressive the players already feel they have arrived in the top tie, ours is a nice stepping stone ground but its not intimidating, breathtaking nor awe inspiring…

However the crappiest thing is the name St Mary's I mean that hardly inspires fear…it should be called The Coliseum because thats were most Saints went!! at least it has some bite and makes a statement...
[quote][p][bold]sparky130a[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]north wales saint 2[/bold] wrote: First of all after Mo Po,s disappearance I was so disappointed but when we appointed Mr Koeman then I thought not too bad.But in the meantime why do our players from last season seem in such a hurry to depart after signing long contracts knowing what money they would be on,it does not make sense.Now if we sign new players and finish 8th ish in the new season will the same thing happen again.I believe we are having new L E D floodlights installed on the roof of existing stands when surely we need to increase ground capacity,I believe the only way is up,then surely if we can increase bums on seats we may be able to offer players wages to match the big boys.Until this happens I fear we will be forever selling our highly treasured academy talent.[/p][/quote]I'd question the capital expenditure of increasing capacity. You'll always fill the seats for cat A games but could you really manage it for lower placed teams and early cup games? I'm not convinced...[/p][/quote]Our stadium is unfortunately a cut and paste affair, that picture we were given last year of the idea of the stadium revamp was jaw dropping, the players have to feel they have alread arrived in a coliseum which mirrors their dreams and ambitions…. ..the ground and it's name are of ultimate importance for the this is Anfield effect, the ability to grow a huge loyal and southern power base for generations to come do deals on category c games and cup games… ..present something so impressive the players already feel they have arrived in the top tie, ours is a nice stepping stone ground but its not intimidating, breathtaking nor awe inspiring… However the crappiest thing is the name St Mary's I mean that hardly inspires fear…it should be called The Coliseum because thats were most Saints went!! at least it has some bite and makes a statement... warrens 76
  • Score: -1

10:18pm Tue 1 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

Table robe Saint wrote:
I hope the new kit is well made. They look a bit tight on our new coaches.
Let's hope RoKo & Sammy Lee can lose some weight and set a good example to the players. Now I know who ate all the pies.
weightwatchers our coaches a'int.
[quote][p][bold]Table robe Saint[/bold] wrote: I hope the new kit is well made. They look a bit tight on our new coaches. Let's hope RoKo & Sammy Lee can lose some weight and set a good example to the players. Now I know who ate all the pies.[/p][/quote]weightwatchers our coaches a'int. warrens 76
  • Score: -2

10:19pm Tue 1 Jul 14

techsture says...

That's old umbro gear Roko has on.
That's old umbro gear Roko has on. techsture
  • Score: 2

10:40pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Malcombe says...

Churchill Saint
Thank you for a fantastic assessment. As I compliment you with your comment you have 133 thumbs which is well deserved, I have posted on here many times some of what you have submitted at different times and felt Potchettino conspired with NC, I agree he stayed on to better his CV and he knew the Players loved him and would use his poo for toothpaste so as I had posted before today he Managed under false pretences and those Players with the exception of Rickie were brainwashed by Potchettino's and in on the plot, but nobody is indispensable and it could back fire on those who were caught in Potchettino's cunning plan, I also believe NC had many contacts in the Premiership and informed Clubs that some Southampton Players wanted to leave because they had this bond with Potchettino and assured him if he leaves they will too as there loyalty was with him not the Club so with Potchettino it was job done.
Potchettino had me fooled before September 2013 but my doubts started to fester and by January this year when NC departed my suspicions were raised about Potchettino after him saying he felt he should leave for his loyalty to NC for getting him the job and because he was joined at the hip but after a confidential talk with NC he decided to continue until the end of the season because by that time if he'd left he would of betrayed all the Players who worshipped the ground he walked on, his interviews took twice as long as other Managers because of the use of an Interpretor but the fact he's now doing interviews in English proves his insincerity and disrespect to SFC who were paying his Salary, this saga could go on and on but the expression Oh what a tangled web we weave fits all that has happened at SFC over the last 6 months but that is now history and we all hope for an even better season starting in August to help Supporters forget the misery it brought to many that was never deserved, we love Southampton FC for ever
Churchill Saint Thank you for a fantastic assessment. As I compliment you with your comment you have 133 thumbs which is well deserved, I have posted on here many times some of what you have submitted at different times and felt Potchettino conspired with NC, I agree he stayed on to better his CV and he knew the Players loved him and would use his poo for toothpaste so as I had posted before today he Managed under false pretences and those Players with the exception of Rickie were brainwashed by Potchettino's and in on the plot, but nobody is indispensable and it could back fire on those who were caught in Potchettino's cunning plan, I also believe NC had many contacts in the Premiership and informed Clubs that some Southampton Players wanted to leave because they had this bond with Potchettino and assured him if he leaves they will too as there loyalty was with him not the Club so with Potchettino it was job done. Potchettino had me fooled before September 2013 but my doubts started to fester and by January this year when NC departed my suspicions were raised about Potchettino after him saying he felt he should leave for his loyalty to NC for getting him the job and because he was joined at the hip but after a confidential talk with NC he decided to continue until the end of the season because by that time if he'd left he would of betrayed all the Players who worshipped the ground he walked on, his interviews took twice as long as other Managers because of the use of an Interpretor but the fact he's now doing interviews in English proves his insincerity and disrespect to SFC who were paying his Salary, this saga could go on and on but the expression Oh what a tangled web we weave fits all that has happened at SFC over the last 6 months but that is now history and we all hope for an even better season starting in August to help Supporters forget the misery it brought to many that was never deserved, we love Southampton FC for ever Malcombe
  • Score: 9

10:48pm Tue 1 Jul 14

MccSaint says...

warrens 76 wrote:
sparky130a wrote:
north wales saint 2 wrote:
First of all after Mo Po,s disappearance I was so disappointed but when we appointed Mr Koeman then I thought not too bad.But in the meantime why do our players from last season seem in such a hurry to depart after signing long contracts knowing what money they would be on,it does not make sense.Now if we sign new players and finish 8th ish in the new season will the same thing happen again.I believe we are having new L E D floodlights installed on the roof of existing stands when surely we need to increase ground capacity,I believe the only way is up,then surely if we can increase bums on seats we may be able to offer players wages to match the big boys.Until this happens I fear we will be forever selling our highly treasured academy talent.
I'd question the capital expenditure of increasing capacity. You'll always fill the seats for cat A games but could you really manage it for lower placed teams and early cup games?

I'm not convinced...
Our stadium is unfortunately a cut and paste affair, that picture we were given last year of the idea of the stadium revamp was jaw dropping, the players have to feel they have alread arrived in a coliseum which mirrors their dreams and ambitions….

..the ground and it's name are of ultimate importance for the this is Anfield effect, the ability to grow a huge loyal and southern power base for generations to come do deals on category c games and cup games…

..present something so impressive the players already feel they have arrived in the top tie, ours is a nice stepping stone ground but its not intimidating, breathtaking nor awe inspiring…

However the crappiest thing is the name St Mary's I mean that hardly inspires fear…it should be called The Coliseum because thats were most Saints went!! at least it has some bite and makes a statement...
What about Clausentum?
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sparky130a[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]north wales saint 2[/bold] wrote: First of all after Mo Po,s disappearance I was so disappointed but when we appointed Mr Koeman then I thought not too bad.But in the meantime why do our players from last season seem in such a hurry to depart after signing long contracts knowing what money they would be on,it does not make sense.Now if we sign new players and finish 8th ish in the new season will the same thing happen again.I believe we are having new L E D floodlights installed on the roof of existing stands when surely we need to increase ground capacity,I believe the only way is up,then surely if we can increase bums on seats we may be able to offer players wages to match the big boys.Until this happens I fear we will be forever selling our highly treasured academy talent.[/p][/quote]I'd question the capital expenditure of increasing capacity. You'll always fill the seats for cat A games but could you really manage it for lower placed teams and early cup games? I'm not convinced...[/p][/quote]Our stadium is unfortunately a cut and paste affair, that picture we were given last year of the idea of the stadium revamp was jaw dropping, the players have to feel they have alread arrived in a coliseum which mirrors their dreams and ambitions…. ..the ground and it's name are of ultimate importance for the this is Anfield effect, the ability to grow a huge loyal and southern power base for generations to come do deals on category c games and cup games… ..present something so impressive the players already feel they have arrived in the top tie, ours is a nice stepping stone ground but its not intimidating, breathtaking nor awe inspiring… However the crappiest thing is the name St Mary's I mean that hardly inspires fear…it should be called The Coliseum because thats were most Saints went!! at least it has some bite and makes a statement...[/p][/quote]What about Clausentum? MccSaint
  • Score: 2

10:51pm Tue 1 Jul 14

mr miyagi says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
Probably wondering what he has let himself in for, Cr@p team with shallow fan's, do well, and you too could get yourself a move to a bigger team with a big fan base !
What exactly is your problem? What brought that on? You got the player you wanted, paid too much for him mind. Go support your own team rather than slating the fans of another. Shallow.
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: Probably wondering what he has let himself in for, Cr@p team with shallow fan's, do well, and you too could get yourself a move to a bigger team with a big fan base ![/p][/quote]What exactly is your problem? What brought that on? You got the player you wanted, paid too much for him mind. Go support your own team rather than slating the fans of another. Shallow. mr miyagi
  • Score: 5

11:01pm Tue 1 Jul 14

bstokesaint says...

Churchill Saint wrote:
Koeman isn’t the only one welcoming the start of pre-season. Its been a long close seasons already for us Saints fans. There’s a lot happening at SFC and like most true supporters I am concerned and interested in what has happened and where the future lies. Trouble is there are so few known facts and so many rumours, hearsay and lies, spread mainly by the press, ably assisted by football agents. So I have tried to piece together what has happened based on what we know and making rational assumptions from all the stories flying around. This is therefore my interpretation and opinion and not necessarily fact.
Unlike what some fans on the forum think, the successful team of last season did not start being dismantled last month; it started at the end of 2013. NC and KL had meeting to discuss where the club was going and clearly they were miles apart. Probably a summary is KL was concerned with how much power NC had with the Liebherr money and decided NC needed reigning in. I guess in particular she was concerned about the Academy being 100% over budget and the complete waste of money on the Oswaldo transfer, as two of the more extreme examples of incompetence. NC disagreed and tendered his resignation and starting serving notice. I believe at this stage he told MP of his decision and MP decided he would also leave. I also believe that MP then decided to plot his own future, by giving the impression he was whiter than white and ensuring Saints finished as high as possible. This is the reason why he did not take the Cups seriously – they wouldn’t help his CV but it did allow him concentrate on league position, which would largely determine his ‘value’. I believe he also spoke with the more senior players, distorting the reasons for the fallout between KL and NC, with KL being the wicked witch and NC the good guy. I think his objective was to create division between the owners and more influential players, all to serve his own and NC’s agendas. Why else did we get repeated statements from various senior players pledging their support for MP, saying he must stay? It then makes it easier for them to leave when MP is apparently forced out by the unambitious owners. All of this weakens SFC and strengthens his own hand. When MP said he would leave the first time NC and KL had a row and he threatened to quit, he (MP) was being truthful. When NC did actually quit, MP also decided to quit. Of course, he gallantly said he would fight on until the end of the season but this was only to make him appear a loyal and righteous person. Actually it was just a way to enhance his own CV and anyhow he could negotiate a better deal with Spurs whilst still in employment.
My opinion is that MP was a very good manager – you could actually see an improvement in style in his very first game. However, I believe he is also selfish and devious and I am delighted we are shot of him.
Moving on to now, I think Koeman (RK) was always the Board’s first choice and I am sure they would have discussed the so-called disaffected players. I would bet that RK stated to the Board that he doesn’t want anyone in his squad who is not 100% committed to the club but we should only sell them at inflated valuations, whilst there are clubs out there willing to pay stupid fees and packages (clearly there are). I think Lambert was a special case, I think LS is naïve and easily swayed by others but cannot be blamed for rejecting a trebling of salary and that AL has got too big for his boots, aided and abetted by some choice comments by MP. Actually I think that both AL and LS had made decisions before the world cup so tapping up by Liverpool and ManU players didn’t come into it. I think Lovren will also leave (not 100% committed) and will be sold to the highest bidder. I think (and hope) Morgan could be persuaded to stay; I think he would be the ideal captain and midfield general for the RK era so I just hope our wage structure will allow us to compete with Arsenal. I hope that JRod is mature enough to see through MP’s poison and his attempts to sign him for Spurs.
Looking forward I am very excited about the future and I am very confident RK will develop a squad that will be considerably stronger and deeper than that of last season – he will surely be given the funds to do so. We as fans will need to be patient to give it time to gel. I am very glad that MP has gone and anyone else not committed to SFC. I think NC has been the most influential individual in the history of Southampton Football club (with the possible exception of Lawrie Mac) and his achievement in taking us from near bankruptcy to financial stability and 8th in the Premiership in 5 years is remarkable. HOWEVER, whilst he is spending other people’s money and with his uncompromising style it would always be a case of ‘when’ rather than ‘if’ he quits, so its better he’s gone. I just hope the current regime start treating us as a Football Club and not a Project (as soon as MP talked about the Project, it rang alarm bells in my ears). I have been supporting Saints since first standing at the Milton Road end in 1973 and will support them till the day I die. As fans we support our club through thick and thin for life. A project has a finite time and when finished they want to move on to the next project. Well, supporting a club is not like that.
I think the majority of these comments are closer to the truth than most fans realise. There's too much doom and gloom without solid facts on what is going on behind the scenes. That said I don't give a stuff about the players who want out/ have left (except Rickie - legend) and I'll never forgive Lallana for his disrespectful exit one year into a long-term deal. I always thought Saints meant more to him. Disgusted.
[quote][p][bold]Churchill Saint[/bold] wrote: Koeman isn’t the only one welcoming the start of pre-season. Its been a long close seasons already for us Saints fans. There’s a lot happening at SFC and like most true supporters I am concerned and interested in what has happened and where the future lies. Trouble is there are so few known facts and so many rumours, hearsay and lies, spread mainly by the press, ably assisted by football agents. So I have tried to piece together what has happened based on what we know and making rational assumptions from all the stories flying around. This is therefore my interpretation and opinion and not necessarily fact. Unlike what some fans on the forum think, the successful team of last season did not start being dismantled last month; it started at the end of 2013. NC and KL had meeting to discuss where the club was going and clearly they were miles apart. Probably a summary is KL was concerned with how much power NC had with the Liebherr money and decided NC needed reigning in. I guess in particular she was concerned about the Academy being 100% over budget and the complete waste of money on the Oswaldo transfer, as two of the more extreme examples of incompetence. NC disagreed and tendered his resignation and starting serving notice. I believe at this stage he told MP of his decision and MP decided he would also leave. I also believe that MP then decided to plot his own future, by giving the impression he was whiter than white and ensuring Saints finished as high as possible. This is the reason why he did not take the Cups seriously – they wouldn’t help his CV but it did allow him concentrate on league position, which would largely determine his ‘value’. I believe he also spoke with the more senior players, distorting the reasons for the fallout between KL and NC, with KL being the wicked witch and NC the good guy. I think his objective was to create division between the owners and more influential players, all to serve his own and NC’s agendas. Why else did we get repeated statements from various senior players pledging their support for MP, saying he must stay? It then makes it easier for them to leave when MP is apparently forced out by the unambitious owners. All of this weakens SFC and strengthens his own hand. When MP said he would leave the first time NC and KL had a row and he threatened to quit, he (MP) was being truthful. When NC did actually quit, MP also decided to quit. Of course, he gallantly said he would fight on until the end of the season but this was only to make him appear a loyal and righteous person. Actually it was just a way to enhance his own CV and anyhow he could negotiate a better deal with Spurs whilst still in employment. My opinion is that MP was a very good manager – you could actually see an improvement in style in his very first game. However, I believe he is also selfish and devious and I am delighted we are shot of him. Moving on to now, I think Koeman (RK) was always the Board’s first choice and I am sure they would have discussed the so-called disaffected players. I would bet that RK stated to the Board that he doesn’t want anyone in his squad who is not 100% committed to the club but we should only sell them at inflated valuations, whilst there are clubs out there willing to pay stupid fees and packages (clearly there are). I think Lambert was a special case, I think LS is naïve and easily swayed by others but cannot be blamed for rejecting a trebling of salary and that AL has got too big for his boots, aided and abetted by some choice comments by MP. Actually I think that both AL and LS had made decisions before the world cup so tapping up by Liverpool and ManU players didn’t come into it. I think Lovren will also leave (not 100% committed) and will be sold to the highest bidder. I think (and hope) Morgan could be persuaded to stay; I think he would be the ideal captain and midfield general for the RK era so I just hope our wage structure will allow us to compete with Arsenal. I hope that JRod is mature enough to see through MP’s poison and his attempts to sign him for Spurs. Looking forward I am very excited about the future and I am very confident RK will develop a squad that will be considerably stronger and deeper than that of last season – he will surely be given the funds to do so. We as fans will need to be patient to give it time to gel. I am very glad that MP has gone and anyone else not committed to SFC. I think NC has been the most influential individual in the history of Southampton Football club (with the possible exception of Lawrie Mac) and his achievement in taking us from near bankruptcy to financial stability and 8th in the Premiership in 5 years is remarkable. HOWEVER, whilst he is spending other people’s money and with his uncompromising style it would always be a case of ‘when’ rather than ‘if’ he quits, so its better he’s gone. I just hope the current regime start treating us as a Football Club and not a Project (as soon as MP talked about the Project, it rang alarm bells in my ears). I have been supporting Saints since first standing at the Milton Road end in 1973 and will support them till the day I die. As fans we support our club through thick and thin for life. A project has a finite time and when finished they want to move on to the next project. Well, supporting a club is not like that.[/p][/quote]I think the majority of these comments are closer to the truth than most fans realise. There's too much doom and gloom without solid facts on what is going on behind the scenes. That said I don't give a stuff about the players who want out/ have left (except Rickie - legend) and I'll never forgive Lallana for his disrespectful exit one year into a long-term deal. I always thought Saints meant more to him. Disgusted. bstokesaint
  • Score: 9

11:25pm Tue 1 Jul 14

hedge end bob says...

north wales saint 2 wrote:
First of all after Mo Po,s disappearance I was so disappointed but when we appointed Mr Koeman then I thought not too bad.But in the meantime why do our players from last season seem in such a hurry to depart after signing long contracts knowing what money they would be on,it does not make sense.Now if we sign new players and finish 8th ish in the new season will the same thing happen again.I believe we are having new L E D floodlights installed on the roof of existing stands when surely we need to increase ground capacity,I believe the only way is up,then surely if we can increase bums on seats we may be able to offer players wages to match the big boys.Until this happens I fear we will be forever selling our highly treasured academy talent.
I agree with you 100%. the top six clubs in the premiership have seating capacity as follows
MAN UTD 75,731
MAN CITY 60,000
ARSENAL 60,361
LIVERPOOL 45,276
CHELSEA 41,798
EVERTON 40,157
We have 32,500 we need to increase to move forward or we will be a yo yo team between 8th and 16 th position in the league.
But i will be there to watch the boys . COYR.
[quote][p][bold]north wales saint 2[/bold] wrote: First of all after Mo Po,s disappearance I was so disappointed but when we appointed Mr Koeman then I thought not too bad.But in the meantime why do our players from last season seem in such a hurry to depart after signing long contracts knowing what money they would be on,it does not make sense.Now if we sign new players and finish 8th ish in the new season will the same thing happen again.I believe we are having new L E D floodlights installed on the roof of existing stands when surely we need to increase ground capacity,I believe the only way is up,then surely if we can increase bums on seats we may be able to offer players wages to match the big boys.Until this happens I fear we will be forever selling our highly treasured academy talent.[/p][/quote]I agree with you 100%. the top six clubs in the premiership have seating capacity as follows MAN UTD 75,731 MAN CITY 60,000 ARSENAL 60,361 LIVERPOOL 45,276 CHELSEA 41,798 EVERTON 40,157 We have 32,500 we need to increase to move forward or we will be a yo yo team between 8th and 16 th position in the league. But i will be there to watch the boys . COYR. hedge end bob
  • Score: 2

12:49am Wed 2 Jul 14

just kidding says...

Mr. Churchill I think you have made a very thoughtful and compelling argument, especially those regarding Nicola C and his use of other peoples money. I would also add that It is my guess that he did not like the idea of accountability or, and this is just a hunch, like the idea of taking orders from a woman. It is pure speculation of course, as are your thoughts on the matter, although it does seem plausible. Whatever the truth is, I am willing to accept your summation and hope that yours is the final word on a matter that sickens me no end. Would love to move on now with some good news about our club, but I fear it is not quite over yet. But I am ever hopeful.
Mr. Churchill I think you have made a very thoughtful and compelling argument, especially those regarding Nicola C and his use of other peoples money. I would also add that It is my guess that he did not like the idea of accountability or, and this is just a hunch, like the idea of taking orders from a woman. It is pure speculation of course, as are your thoughts on the matter, although it does seem plausible. Whatever the truth is, I am willing to accept your summation and hope that yours is the final word on a matter that sickens me no end. Would love to move on now with some good news about our club, but I fear it is not quite over yet. But I am ever hopeful. just kidding
  • Score: 3

1:09am Wed 2 Jul 14

PressBoxTeaBoy says...

You need to get those fat lardy coaches on a good diet some hard training themselves. Laugh a minute at Saints right now, can't wait for the season to start and see the lardy's pub team turn out at St mary's.

Must be rough for you becoming a bit of the joke club in the Prem Lge right now. It was good while it lasted I guess but welcome back to reality.

Sammy Lee. chuckle, chuckle.
You need to get those fat lardy coaches on a good diet some hard training themselves. Laugh a minute at Saints right now, can't wait for the season to start and see the lardy's pub team turn out at St mary's. Must be rough for you becoming a bit of the joke club in the Prem Lge right now. It was good while it lasted I guess but welcome back to reality. Sammy Lee. chuckle, chuckle. PressBoxTeaBoy
  • Score: -11

7:10am Wed 2 Jul 14

fritzer says...

bstokesaint wrote:
Churchill Saint wrote:
Koeman isn’t the only one welcoming the start of pre-season. Its been a long close seasons already for us Saints fans. There’s a lot happening at SFC and like most true supporters I am concerned and interested in what has happened and where the future lies. Trouble is there are so few known facts and so many rumours, hearsay and lies, spread mainly by the press, ably assisted by football agents. So I have tried to piece together what has happened based on what we know and making rational assumptions from all the stories flying around. This is therefore my interpretation and opinion and not necessarily fact.
Unlike what some fans on the forum think, the successful team of last season did not start being dismantled last month; it started at the end of 2013. NC and KL had meeting to discuss where the club was going and clearly they were miles apart. Probably a summary is KL was concerned with how much power NC had with the Liebherr money and decided NC needed reigning in. I guess in particular she was concerned about the Academy being 100% over budget and the complete waste of money on the Oswaldo transfer, as two of the more extreme examples of incompetence. NC disagreed and tendered his resignation and starting serving notice. I believe at this stage he told MP of his decision and MP decided he would also leave. I also believe that MP then decided to plot his own future, by giving the impression he was whiter than white and ensuring Saints finished as high as possible. This is the reason why he did not take the Cups seriously – they wouldn’t help his CV but it did allow him concentrate on league position, which would largely determine his ‘value’. I believe he also spoke with the more senior players, distorting the reasons for the fallout between KL and NC, with KL being the wicked witch and NC the good guy. I think his objective was to create division between the owners and more influential players, all to serve his own and NC’s agendas. Why else did we get repeated statements from various senior players pledging their support for MP, saying he must stay? It then makes it easier for them to leave when MP is apparently forced out by the unambitious owners. All of this weakens SFC and strengthens his own hand. When MP said he would leave the first time NC and KL had a row and he threatened to quit, he (MP) was being truthful. When NC did actually quit, MP also decided to quit. Of course, he gallantly said he would fight on until the end of the season but this was only to make him appear a loyal and righteous person. Actually it was just a way to enhance his own CV and anyhow he could negotiate a better deal with Spurs whilst still in employment.
My opinion is that MP was a very good manager – you could actually see an improvement in style in his very first game. However, I believe he is also selfish and devious and I am delighted we are shot of him.
Moving on to now, I think Koeman (RK) was always the Board’s first choice and I am sure they would have discussed the so-called disaffected players. I would bet that RK stated to the Board that he doesn’t want anyone in his squad who is not 100% committed to the club but we should only sell them at inflated valuations, whilst there are clubs out there willing to pay stupid fees and packages (clearly there are). I think Lambert was a special case, I think LS is naïve and easily swayed by others but cannot be blamed for rejecting a trebling of salary and that AL has got too big for his boots, aided and abetted by some choice comments by MP. Actually I think that both AL and LS had made decisions before the world cup so tapping up by Liverpool and ManU players didn’t come into it. I think Lovren will also leave (not 100% committed) and will be sold to the highest bidder. I think (and hope) Morgan could be persuaded to stay; I think he would be the ideal captain and midfield general for the RK era so I just hope our wage structure will allow us to compete with Arsenal. I hope that JRod is mature enough to see through MP’s poison and his attempts to sign him for Spurs.
Looking forward I am very excited about the future and I am very confident RK will develop a squad that will be considerably stronger and deeper than that of last season – he will surely be given the funds to do so. We as fans will need to be patient to give it time to gel. I am very glad that MP has gone and anyone else not committed to SFC. I think NC has been the most influential individual in the history of Southampton Football club (with the possible exception of Lawrie Mac) and his achievement in taking us from near bankruptcy to financial stability and 8th in the Premiership in 5 years is remarkable. HOWEVER, whilst he is spending other people’s money and with his uncompromising style it would always be a case of ‘when’ rather than ‘if’ he quits, so its better he’s gone. I just hope the current regime start treating us as a Football Club and not a Project (as soon as MP talked about the Project, it rang alarm bells in my ears). I have been supporting Saints since first standing at the Milton Road end in 1973 and will support them till the day I die. As fans we support our club through thick and thin for life. A project has a finite time and when finished they want to move on to the next project. Well, supporting a club is not like that.
I think the majority of these comments are closer to the truth than most fans realise. There's too much doom and gloom without solid facts on what is going on behind the scenes. That said I don't give a stuff about the players who want out/ have left (except Rickie - legend) and I'll never forgive Lallana for his disrespectful exit one year into a long-term deal. I always thought Saints meant more to him. Disgusted.
Spot on Churchill, couldnt have written it better myself, I did notice that MP never left his comfy seat in the last few home games his interest had deteriorated down to zilch. in fact I personally rate him and his travelling band of men as $ Argentinean mercenary's $
[quote][p][bold]bstokesaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Churchill Saint[/bold] wrote: Koeman isn’t the only one welcoming the start of pre-season. Its been a long close seasons already for us Saints fans. There’s a lot happening at SFC and like most true supporters I am concerned and interested in what has happened and where the future lies. Trouble is there are so few known facts and so many rumours, hearsay and lies, spread mainly by the press, ably assisted by football agents. So I have tried to piece together what has happened based on what we know and making rational assumptions from all the stories flying around. This is therefore my interpretation and opinion and not necessarily fact. Unlike what some fans on the forum think, the successful team of last season did not start being dismantled last month; it started at the end of 2013. NC and KL had meeting to discuss where the club was going and clearly they were miles apart. Probably a summary is KL was concerned with how much power NC had with the Liebherr money and decided NC needed reigning in. I guess in particular she was concerned about the Academy being 100% over budget and the complete waste of money on the Oswaldo transfer, as two of the more extreme examples of incompetence. NC disagreed and tendered his resignation and starting serving notice. I believe at this stage he told MP of his decision and MP decided he would also leave. I also believe that MP then decided to plot his own future, by giving the impression he was whiter than white and ensuring Saints finished as high as possible. This is the reason why he did not take the Cups seriously – they wouldn’t help his CV but it did allow him concentrate on league position, which would largely determine his ‘value’. I believe he also spoke with the more senior players, distorting the reasons for the fallout between KL and NC, with KL being the wicked witch and NC the good guy. I think his objective was to create division between the owners and more influential players, all to serve his own and NC’s agendas. Why else did we get repeated statements from various senior players pledging their support for MP, saying he must stay? It then makes it easier for them to leave when MP is apparently forced out by the unambitious owners. All of this weakens SFC and strengthens his own hand. When MP said he would leave the first time NC and KL had a row and he threatened to quit, he (MP) was being truthful. When NC did actually quit, MP also decided to quit. Of course, he gallantly said he would fight on until the end of the season but this was only to make him appear a loyal and righteous person. Actually it was just a way to enhance his own CV and anyhow he could negotiate a better deal with Spurs whilst still in employment. My opinion is that MP was a very good manager – you could actually see an improvement in style in his very first game. However, I believe he is also selfish and devious and I am delighted we are shot of him. Moving on to now, I think Koeman (RK) was always the Board’s first choice and I am sure they would have discussed the so-called disaffected players. I would bet that RK stated to the Board that he doesn’t want anyone in his squad who is not 100% committed to the club but we should only sell them at inflated valuations, whilst there are clubs out there willing to pay stupid fees and packages (clearly there are). I think Lambert was a special case, I think LS is naïve and easily swayed by others but cannot be blamed for rejecting a trebling of salary and that AL has got too big for his boots, aided and abetted by some choice comments by MP. Actually I think that both AL and LS had made decisions before the world cup so tapping up by Liverpool and ManU players didn’t come into it. I think Lovren will also leave (not 100% committed) and will be sold to the highest bidder. I think (and hope) Morgan could be persuaded to stay; I think he would be the ideal captain and midfield general for the RK era so I just hope our wage structure will allow us to compete with Arsenal. I hope that JRod is mature enough to see through MP’s poison and his attempts to sign him for Spurs. Looking forward I am very excited about the future and I am very confident RK will develop a squad that will be considerably stronger and deeper than that of last season – he will surely be given the funds to do so. We as fans will need to be patient to give it time to gel. I am very glad that MP has gone and anyone else not committed to SFC. I think NC has been the most influential individual in the history of Southampton Football club (with the possible exception of Lawrie Mac) and his achievement in taking us from near bankruptcy to financial stability and 8th in the Premiership in 5 years is remarkable. HOWEVER, whilst he is spending other people’s money and with his uncompromising style it would always be a case of ‘when’ rather than ‘if’ he quits, so its better he’s gone. I just hope the current regime start treating us as a Football Club and not a Project (as soon as MP talked about the Project, it rang alarm bells in my ears). I have been supporting Saints since first standing at the Milton Road end in 1973 and will support them till the day I die. As fans we support our club through thick and thin for life. A project has a finite time and when finished they want to move on to the next project. Well, supporting a club is not like that.[/p][/quote]I think the majority of these comments are closer to the truth than most fans realise. There's too much doom and gloom without solid facts on what is going on behind the scenes. That said I don't give a stuff about the players who want out/ have left (except Rickie - legend) and I'll never forgive Lallana for his disrespectful exit one year into a long-term deal. I always thought Saints meant more to him. Disgusted.[/p][/quote]Spot on Churchill, couldnt have written it better myself, I did notice that MP never left his comfy seat in the last few home games his interest had deteriorated down to zilch. in fact I personally rate him and his travelling band of men as $ Argentinean mercenary's $ fritzer
  • Score: 3

8:46am Wed 2 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
You need to get those fat lardy coaches on a good diet some hard training themselves. Laugh a minute at Saints right now, can't wait for the season to start and see the lardy's pub team turn out at St mary's.

Must be rough for you becoming a bit of the joke club in the Prem Lge right now. It was good while it lasted I guess but welcome back to reality.

Sammy Lee. chuckle, chuckle.
Where have you been hiding, I wanted to know how you felt when you once again failed to make it through the play-offs, must have been devastating?
[quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: You need to get those fat lardy coaches on a good diet some hard training themselves. Laugh a minute at Saints right now, can't wait for the season to start and see the lardy's pub team turn out at St mary's. Must be rough for you becoming a bit of the joke club in the Prem Lge right now. It was good while it lasted I guess but welcome back to reality. Sammy Lee. chuckle, chuckle.[/p][/quote]Where have you been hiding, I wanted to know how you felt when you once again failed to make it through the play-offs, must have been devastating? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

9:59am Wed 2 Jul 14

Malcombe says...

north wales saint 2

I have the Southampton Daily Echo delivered every day and I can put some light on the reasons for there not being a bigger Stadium.
Recently the Echo showed some fantastic pictures of state of the Art enlarged St Marys that proves plans have been submitted, it would increase the seating to 50000/60000 which with the catchment area the extra seats would be filled but due to some do gooders and old **** the unbelievable has happened and it's this, there are 2 massive empty Gas Containers built in the 1930s next to St Marys that have been empty and an eyesore for about 20 years (Take a look on Google earth) but to them they are works of Art and part of the landscape so should remain and are far more important and I am lead to believe they are trying to block the extensions and alterations!! yes it's unbelievable that 2 rusty large cylinders are more important than a beautiful well thought out new building and that at the moment is the stumbling block as far as I know.
A lot of thought went into deciding where St Marys was to built and at the time that plans had been presented Southampton FC owned and still might ground next to the M27 at Swaythling, the reason for this area was the facilities of spitting distance from the Airport and Railway Station, after careful thought with Politics in on the plan they wanted it near the City because it's the centre of Southampton so what better place than some waste ground next to 2 empty Gas cylinders that was good for nothing except St Marys
When St Marys was built the Fan base for home games were averaging 25/26 thousand but there was always the plan that an allowance was facilitated to enlarge St Marys in the future which of course is sensible, I and thousands of others are all for protecting the environment but probably not 2 old rusting empty cylinders that is covering valuable ground space that can be used for far better things even if it was a Children's play area. It's obvious that there will always be changes and it's proof that the success of the Team and the continued direction of onwards and upwards that the Club want to increase the capacity of the Stadium to keep up with time, we all hope that the awkward cusses are made to eat humble pie for worrying about 2 massive eye sores that to them are far more attractive than a beautiful building. To the regular posters and Supporters who know more and know I have given out the wrong facts I will not be offended and stand by to be corrected COYR
north wales saint 2 I have the Southampton Daily Echo delivered every day and I can put some light on the reasons for there not being a bigger Stadium. Recently the Echo showed some fantastic pictures of state of the Art enlarged St Marys that proves plans have been submitted, it would increase the seating to 50000/60000 which with the catchment area the extra seats would be filled but due to some do gooders and old **** the unbelievable has happened and it's this, there are 2 massive empty Gas Containers built in the 1930s next to St Marys that have been empty and an eyesore for about 20 years (Take a look on Google earth) but to them they are works of Art and part of the landscape so should remain and are far more important and I am lead to believe they are trying to block the extensions and alterations!! yes it's unbelievable that 2 rusty large cylinders are more important than a beautiful well thought out new building and that at the moment is the stumbling block as far as I know. A lot of thought went into deciding where St Marys was to built and at the time that plans had been presented Southampton FC owned and still might ground next to the M27 at Swaythling, the reason for this area was the facilities of spitting distance from the Airport and Railway Station, after careful thought with Politics in on the plan they wanted it near the City because it's the centre of Southampton so what better place than some waste ground next to 2 empty Gas cylinders that was good for nothing except St Marys When St Marys was built the Fan base for home games were averaging 25/26 thousand but there was always the plan that an allowance was facilitated to enlarge St Marys in the future which of course is sensible, I and thousands of others are all for protecting the environment but probably not 2 old rusting empty cylinders that is covering valuable ground space that can be used for far better things even if it was a Children's play area. It's obvious that there will always be changes and it's proof that the success of the Team and the continued direction of onwards and upwards that the Club want to increase the capacity of the Stadium to keep up with time, we all hope that the awkward cusses are made to eat humble pie for worrying about 2 massive eye sores that to them are far more attractive than a beautiful building. To the regular posters and Supporters who know more and know I have given out the wrong facts I will not be offended and stand by to be corrected COYR Malcombe
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10:04am Wed 2 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

Churchill Saint has led where others should follow... before posting about a footballer or manager ( except MLT ) assume they are shallow , greedy and devious and have no respect for the fans. Also remember KL is to be respected as the owner and part or the reason we can follow the Saints in high level professional football and not some dungeon of mediocrity that has befallen our fishy friends down the road. Bravo Churchill Saint.
Churchill Saint has led where others should follow... before posting about a footballer or manager ( except MLT ) assume they are shallow , greedy and devious and have no respect for the fans. Also remember KL is to be respected as the owner and part or the reason we can follow the Saints in high level professional football and not some dungeon of mediocrity that has befallen our fishy friends down the road. Bravo Churchill Saint. steekeemcglue
  • Score: 0

11:29am Wed 2 Jul 14

lowe esteem says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
Probably wondering what he has let himself in for, Cr@p team with shallow fan's, do well, and you too could get yourself a move to a bigger team with a big fan base !
shallow fan's what, dimwit?
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: Probably wondering what he has let himself in for, Cr@p team with shallow fan's, do well, and you too could get yourself a move to a bigger team with a big fan base ![/p][/quote]shallow fan's what, dimwit? lowe esteem
  • Score: 3

11:37am Wed 2 Jul 14

lowe esteem says...

MccSaint wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
sparky130a wrote:
north wales saint 2 wrote:
First of all after Mo Po,s disappearance I was so disappointed but when we appointed Mr Koeman then I thought not too bad.But in the meantime why do our players from last season seem in such a hurry to depart after signing long contracts knowing what money they would be on,it does not make sense.Now if we sign new players and finish 8th ish in the new season will the same thing happen again.I believe we are having new L E D floodlights installed on the roof of existing stands when surely we need to increase ground capacity,I believe the only way is up,then surely if we can increase bums on seats we may be able to offer players wages to match the big boys.Until this happens I fear we will be forever selling our highly treasured academy talent.
I'd question the capital expenditure of increasing capacity. You'll always fill the seats for cat A games but could you really manage it for lower placed teams and early cup games?

I'm not convinced...
Our stadium is unfortunately a cut and paste affair, that picture we were given last year of the idea of the stadium revamp was jaw dropping, the players have to feel they have alread arrived in a coliseum which mirrors their dreams and ambitions….

..the ground and it's name are of ultimate importance for the this is Anfield effect, the ability to grow a huge loyal and southern power base for generations to come do deals on category c games and cup games…

..present something so impressive the players already feel they have arrived in the top tie, ours is a nice stepping stone ground but its not intimidating, breathtaking nor awe inspiring…

However the crappiest thing is the name St Mary's I mean that hardly inspires fear…it should be called The Coliseum because thats were most Saints went!! at least it has some bite and makes a statement...
What about Clausentum?
Princess Summerbee or Angela, mmm...?
Stadium of Light? (UN) Original? Krap Nottarf? Inspired.
Wemberlee? Twickers? Crystal Palace? White City?
What's in a name, isn't it mmm?
History, that's what.
Would like a roll-call of what players attended the training, perhaps by our super soaraway, it was MI5 in the tunnel, where's Maddy, Cortese on the grassy knoll type stuff?!
[quote][p][bold]MccSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sparky130a[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]north wales saint 2[/bold] wrote: First of all after Mo Po,s disappearance I was so disappointed but when we appointed Mr Koeman then I thought not too bad.But in the meantime why do our players from last season seem in such a hurry to depart after signing long contracts knowing what money they would be on,it does not make sense.Now if we sign new players and finish 8th ish in the new season will the same thing happen again.I believe we are having new L E D floodlights installed on the roof of existing stands when surely we need to increase ground capacity,I believe the only way is up,then surely if we can increase bums on seats we may be able to offer players wages to match the big boys.Until this happens I fear we will be forever selling our highly treasured academy talent.[/p][/quote]I'd question the capital expenditure of increasing capacity. You'll always fill the seats for cat A games but could you really manage it for lower placed teams and early cup games? I'm not convinced...[/p][/quote]Our stadium is unfortunately a cut and paste affair, that picture we were given last year of the idea of the stadium revamp was jaw dropping, the players have to feel they have alread arrived in a coliseum which mirrors their dreams and ambitions…. ..the ground and it's name are of ultimate importance for the this is Anfield effect, the ability to grow a huge loyal and southern power base for generations to come do deals on category c games and cup games… ..present something so impressive the players already feel they have arrived in the top tie, ours is a nice stepping stone ground but its not intimidating, breathtaking nor awe inspiring… However the crappiest thing is the name St Mary's I mean that hardly inspires fear…it should be called The Coliseum because thats were most Saints went!! at least it has some bite and makes a statement...[/p][/quote]What about Clausentum?[/p][/quote]Princess Summerbee or Angela, mmm...? Stadium of Light? (UN) Original? Krap Nottarf? Inspired. Wemberlee? Twickers? Crystal Palace? White City? What's in a name, isn't it mmm? History, that's what. Would like a roll-call of what players attended the training, perhaps by our super soaraway, it was MI5 in the tunnel, where's Maddy, Cortese on the grassy knoll type stuff?! lowe esteem
  • Score: 1

11:44am Wed 2 Jul 14

lowe esteem says...

PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
You need to get those fat lardy coaches on a good diet some hard training themselves. Laugh a minute at Saints right now, can't wait for the season to start and see the lardy's pub team turn out at St mary's.

Must be rough for you becoming a bit of the joke club in the Prem Lge right now. It was good while it lasted I guess but welcome back to reality.

Sammy Lee. chuckle, chuckle.
So proud of 'your team' you forgot to mention them?

Do let me know, just so's I can make a note for when the season gets underway, though on second thoughts....I couldn't give a stuff about your pathetic little world....
SAINTS FOREVER
[quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: You need to get those fat lardy coaches on a good diet some hard training themselves. Laugh a minute at Saints right now, can't wait for the season to start and see the lardy's pub team turn out at St mary's. Must be rough for you becoming a bit of the joke club in the Prem Lge right now. It was good while it lasted I guess but welcome back to reality. Sammy Lee. chuckle, chuckle.[/p][/quote]So proud of 'your team' you forgot to mention them? Do let me know, just so's I can make a note for when the season gets underway, though on second thoughts....I couldn't give a stuff about your pathetic little world.... SAINTS FOREVER lowe esteem
  • Score: 1

3:55pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Harry Bong says...

I keep hearing comments that we need to expand the stadium if we ever want to compete with the so called big clubs, but have we got the fan base to fill it. Last season only a handfull of games were a complete sellout and until every game is a guranteed sell out and there is a waiting list for season tickets then there is no point.
I keep hearing comments that we need to expand the stadium if we ever want to compete with the so called big clubs, but have we got the fan base to fill it. Last season only a handfull of games were a complete sellout and until every game is a guranteed sell out and there is a waiting list for season tickets then there is no point. Harry Bong
  • Score: 0

5:59pm Wed 2 Jul 14

lowe esteem says...

Harry Bong wrote:
I keep hearing comments that we need to expand the stadium if we ever want to compete with the so called big clubs, but have we got the fan base to fill it. Last season only a handfull of games were a complete sellout and until every game is a guranteed sell out and there is a waiting list for season tickets then there is no point.
Add this into the equation:
Not the cheapest seats to start with -see Man City.
Selling the family silver-see Manu Liverpool -Grrrr.
[quote][p][bold]Harry Bong[/bold] wrote: I keep hearing comments that we need to expand the stadium if we ever want to compete with the so called big clubs, but have we got the fan base to fill it. Last season only a handfull of games were a complete sellout and until every game is a guranteed sell out and there is a waiting list for season tickets then there is no point.[/p][/quote]Add this into the equation: Not the cheapest seats to start with -see Man City. Selling the family silver-see Manu Liverpool -Grrrr. lowe esteem
  • Score: 0

6:35pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Churchill Saint says...

just kidding wrote:
Mr. Churchill I think you have made a very thoughtful and compelling argument, especially those regarding Nicola C and his use of other peoples money. I would also add that It is my guess that he did not like the idea of accountability or, and this is just a hunch, like the idea of taking orders from a woman. It is pure speculation of course, as are your thoughts on the matter, although it does seem plausible. Whatever the truth is, I am willing to accept your summation and hope that yours is the final word on a matter that sickens me no end. Would love to move on now with some good news about our club, but I fear it is not quite over yet. But I am ever hopeful.
Thanks for all the complimentary comments on my post. Have to admit I'm feeling a little smug having 200+ thumbs up but it really shows the concern and interest genuine fans have in our wonderful club. In this day and age of so little information coming out of the club officially we have to join the dots ourselves. I just really hope that KL grows a fond attachment to the club as us fans do, then we will know that all actions of the owners will be done in the best interest of the club.
[quote][p][bold]just kidding[/bold] wrote: Mr. Churchill I think you have made a very thoughtful and compelling argument, especially those regarding Nicola C and his use of other peoples money. I would also add that It is my guess that he did not like the idea of accountability or, and this is just a hunch, like the idea of taking orders from a woman. It is pure speculation of course, as are your thoughts on the matter, although it does seem plausible. Whatever the truth is, I am willing to accept your summation and hope that yours is the final word on a matter that sickens me no end. Would love to move on now with some good news about our club, but I fear it is not quite over yet. But I am ever hopeful.[/p][/quote]Thanks for all the complimentary comments on my post. Have to admit I'm feeling a little smug having 200+ thumbs up but it really shows the concern and interest genuine fans have in our wonderful club. In this day and age of so little information coming out of the club officially we have to join the dots ourselves. I just really hope that KL grows a fond attachment to the club as us fans do, then we will know that all actions of the owners will be done in the best interest of the club. Churchill Saint
  • Score: 0

2:46pm Sat 5 Jul 14

Beer Monster says...

Churchill Saint wrote:
just kidding wrote:
Mr. Churchill I think you have made a very thoughtful and compelling argument, especially those regarding Nicola C and his use of other peoples money. I would also add that It is my guess that he did not like the idea of accountability or, and this is just a hunch, like the idea of taking orders from a woman. It is pure speculation of course, as are your thoughts on the matter, although it does seem plausible. Whatever the truth is, I am willing to accept your summation and hope that yours is the final word on a matter that sickens me no end. Would love to move on now with some good news about our club, but I fear it is not quite over yet. But I am ever hopeful.
Thanks for all the complimentary comments on my post. Have to admit I'm feeling a little smug having 200+ thumbs up but it really shows the concern and interest genuine fans have in our wonderful club. In this day and age of so little information coming out of the club officially we have to join the dots ourselves. I just really hope that KL grows a fond attachment to the club as us fans do, then we will know that all actions of the owners will be done in the best interest of the club.
Every so often someone posts something that is worth trawling through the dross for, hence why I'm reading through these threads now that I have some time to spare.

Well done on a well thought through post, hopefully the powers that be at the club have had it pointed out to them that we're not mugs and shouldn't be treated like so.

Keep the faith
[quote][p][bold]Churchill Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]just kidding[/bold] wrote: Mr. Churchill I think you have made a very thoughtful and compelling argument, especially those regarding Nicola C and his use of other peoples money. I would also add that It is my guess that he did not like the idea of accountability or, and this is just a hunch, like the idea of taking orders from a woman. It is pure speculation of course, as are your thoughts on the matter, although it does seem plausible. Whatever the truth is, I am willing to accept your summation and hope that yours is the final word on a matter that sickens me no end. Would love to move on now with some good news about our club, but I fear it is not quite over yet. But I am ever hopeful.[/p][/quote]Thanks for all the complimentary comments on my post. Have to admit I'm feeling a little smug having 200+ thumbs up but it really shows the concern and interest genuine fans have in our wonderful club. In this day and age of so little information coming out of the club officially we have to join the dots ourselves. I just really hope that KL grows a fond attachment to the club as us fans do, then we will know that all actions of the owners will be done in the best interest of the club.[/p][/quote]Every so often someone posts something that is worth trawling through the dross for, hence why I'm reading through these threads now that I have some time to spare. Well done on a well thought through post, hopefully the powers that be at the club have had it pointed out to them that we're not mugs and shouldn't be treated like so. Keep the faith Beer Monster
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