Shaw on the verge of sealing £30m United switch

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Luke Shaw is on the verge of completing a blockbuster move to Manchester United for around £30m.

The 18-year-old left-back returned from the World Cup on Wednesday and is expected to undergo a medical at Old Trafford today.

If the deal goes through, Shaw will become the most expensive player ever sold by the club.

As revealed by the Daily Echo at the start of the month, the teenager informed Saints after the end of the season that he wished to leave St Mary’s this summer.

United lodged a bid worth a potential £27m immediately following the conclusion of the Premier League campaign, and talks are believed to have taken place between the two clubs during the past few days.

Saints put the issue on the backburner last month, as they resolved their managerial situation, while they also wished to wait until England’s World Cup was over before discussing any possible move.

As previously reported, the club also felt United’s offer did not match their valuation of the player, with the deal’s structure involving far less guaranteed money than the headline figure, with various add-ons included, some of which were never likely to be realised.

However, an agreement last night appeared to have been finalised.

New Saints manager Ronald Koeman was kept informed of issues relating to possible player sales during the process of his appointment, and he will have had full knowledge of any decision to let Shaw go.

Executive director Les Reed, who is the club’s negotiator, has already issued a guarantee that any revenue made from player sales will be reinvested into the squad.

He has also said that the club will only sell players if they feel the fee is right for them and will allow them to improve the team.

It is highly unlikely that all of the money for Shaw will be guaranteed, while payments will probably be spread out over more than one season.

But it will still significantly boost Saints’ budget this summer and, while the departure of a young talent such as Shaw will come as a blow, the additional funds should strengthen Koeman and the club in the transfer market.

If Shaw’s departure is confirmed, attention will then turn to the future of Adam Lallana, who has also informed officials at St Mary’s of his desire to leave.

Liverpool have submitted bids for him on two occasions this summer, although their most recent offer of a potential £25m again fell well short in terms of guaranteed money, with only around £15m thought to have been included up front.

That situation is further complicated by a 25 per cent sell-on clause held by Lallana’s previous club, Bournemouth.

Reed has already said this summer that “Lallana’s been here long enough, we’ve brought him to this level and we feel that perhaps he should give it a little bit longer.”

There is also a sense that, while Shaw’s loss will be a significant one, Lallana’s contribution may be even harder to replace.

Liverpool, who are expected to make another attempt at signing the Saints skipper, will therefore need to increase the value of the deal if they are to persuade the club to part with the 26-year-old England player.

The Reds also want to sign centre-half Dejan Lovren, who, as previously reported, has written to the club requesting to leave.

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6:13am Fri 27 Jun 14

aldermoorboy says...

Not good news, Saints had an excellent team last season, lets hope we can replace these players with even better players, not an easy task.
Not good news, Saints had an excellent team last season, lets hope we can replace these players with even better players, not an easy task. aldermoorboy
  • Score: 9

6:32am Fri 27 Jun 14

Thankyounicola says...

one of the most eye catching talent lost. Poor deal. Should not sold for less than £45-50 million. If Martinez can say that he would not sell Ross Barkley for even £40 million how can we sell a younger player for even less. With all the add ons there who knows how much cash is being paid upfront. In 5 yrs time everybody will realise how poor a deal this was.
one of the most eye catching talent lost. Poor deal. Should not sold for less than £45-50 million. If Martinez can say that he would not sell Ross Barkley for even £40 million how can we sell a younger player for even less. With all the add ons there who knows how much cash is being paid upfront. In 5 yrs time everybody will realise how poor a deal this was. Thankyounicola
  • Score: -5

6:36am Fri 27 Jun 14

Thankyounicola says...

This is Gareth Bale all over again.
This is Gareth Bale all over again. Thankyounicola
  • Score: 3

6:46am Fri 27 Jun 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

RE-INVEST IN THE TEAM - BUY - AND SPEND WISELY !!
RE-INVEST IN THE TEAM - BUY - AND SPEND WISELY !! The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 12

6:56am Fri 27 Jun 14

SodburySaint93 says...

This is just good business for the club (in relation to gross profit on the lad)

How it will affect Luke - I don't know - but he will be under immense pressure at a very young age.

Good luck to him, but I suspect a lot of reasoning behind him going is media and agent driven.

I'm sure we can seal the services of a quality left back for less than £30m
This is just good business for the club (in relation to gross profit on the lad) How it will affect Luke - I don't know - but he will be under immense pressure at a very young age. Good luck to him, but I suspect a lot of reasoning behind him going is media and agent driven. I'm sure we can seal the services of a quality left back for less than £30m SodburySaint93
  • Score: 17

6:59am Fri 27 Jun 14

NewForestStu says...

Sell on clause?

Whats the point anymore, not going to sell unlesd its right for the club etc etc.....is this really good for the club? No good having a great academy if we are simply going to continue as always.

I for one minute cannot think this would have happened under the Don, well not for this price anyway. Next up La la and Lovren, i give up.
Sell on clause? Whats the point anymore, not going to sell unlesd its right for the club etc etc.....is this really good for the club? No good having a great academy if we are simply going to continue as always. I for one minute cannot think this would have happened under the Don, well not for this price anyway. Next up La la and Lovren, i give up. NewForestStu
  • Score: -7

7:01am Fri 27 Jun 14

NC Fan4Life says...

£30m as long as it is upfront, not over next 2 or 3 years plus 10% sell-on clause would be OK. It allows Ronko to get a Left Back for under £10m and leave £20m+ for a top striker. Still got other other monies plus from Lambert & Osvaldo for other players.

Important now to tell the rest they are staying. We need to spend money on IMPROVING the squad NOT REPLACING IT !!
£30m as long as it is upfront, not over next 2 or 3 years plus 10% sell-on clause would be OK. It allows Ronko to get a Left Back for under £10m and leave £20m+ for a top striker. Still got other other monies plus from Lambert & Osvaldo for other players. Important now to tell the rest they are staying. We need to spend money on IMPROVING the squad NOT REPLACING IT !! NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 9

7:03am Fri 27 Jun 14

THE12THMAN says...

Thankyounicola wrote:
one of the most eye catching talent lost. Poor deal. Should not sold for less than £45-50 million. If Martinez can say that he would not sell Ross Barkley for even £40 million how can we sell a younger player for even less. With all the add ons there who knows how much cash is being paid upfront. In 5 yrs time everybody will realise how poor a deal this was.
I expect saints have added a sell on clause in the deal, so in 5 years time it could turn out to be a fantastic piece of business. Shame he is going but no use trying to keep a player who does not want to stay. Reinvest the money and move on.
[quote][p][bold]Thankyounicola[/bold] wrote: one of the most eye catching talent lost. Poor deal. Should not sold for less than £45-50 million. If Martinez can say that he would not sell Ross Barkley for even £40 million how can we sell a younger player for even less. With all the add ons there who knows how much cash is being paid upfront. In 5 yrs time everybody will realise how poor a deal this was.[/p][/quote]I expect saints have added a sell on clause in the deal, so in 5 years time it could turn out to be a fantastic piece of business. Shame he is going but no use trying to keep a player who does not want to stay. Reinvest the money and move on. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 22

7:08am Fri 27 Jun 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

EVRA has got a years extension.

From FIRST TEAM FOOTBALL to the BOY ON THE BENCH.

COYR
EVRA has got a years extension. From FIRST TEAM FOOTBALL to the BOY ON THE BENCH. COYR The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 5

7:15am Fri 27 Jun 14

Bazultra says...

Not a selling club my backside. Fans come last as always and another one bites the dust just like Walcott,Bale and the Ox. I wonder what player is next Chambers? Im not going anywhere says shaw I reiterate im happy here. Good riddance. I see exactly why the don is gone now as he refused point blank to sell anyone and through any enquiries in his bin. Thanks KL thanks very much!
Not a selling club my backside. Fans come last as always and another one bites the dust just like Walcott,Bale and the Ox. I wonder what player is next Chambers? Im not going anywhere says shaw I reiterate im happy here. Good riddance. I see exactly why the don is gone now as he refused point blank to sell anyone and through any enquiries in his bin. Thanks KL thanks very much! Bazultra
  • Score: -29

7:29am Fri 27 Jun 14

NewForestStu says...

Bazultra wrote:
Not a selling club my backside. Fans come last as always and another one bites the dust just like Walcott,Bale and the Ox. I wonder what player is next Chambers? Im not going anywhere says shaw I reiterate im happy here. Good riddance. I see exactly why the don is gone now as he refused point blank to sell anyone and through any enquiries in his bin. Thanks KL thanks very much!
I fully understand that sometimes its business and do think KL is not interested in destroying the good work that has gone on here unfortunately player power as always however i do think we have now created a problem re: Lovren, Lala and anyone else who wants out. As someone else said somewhere.....RK will have the final say.......did he really sanction this? I doubt that very much.

I hate to be half empty but will seriously think next year when ST renewals are up as we will never progress by continuing to flog our homegrown talent.
[quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: Not a selling club my backside. Fans come last as always and another one bites the dust just like Walcott,Bale and the Ox. I wonder what player is next Chambers? Im not going anywhere says shaw I reiterate im happy here. Good riddance. I see exactly why the don is gone now as he refused point blank to sell anyone and through any enquiries in his bin. Thanks KL thanks very much![/p][/quote]I fully understand that sometimes its business and do think KL is not interested in destroying the good work that has gone on here unfortunately player power as always however i do think we have now created a problem re: Lovren, Lala and anyone else who wants out. As someone else said somewhere.....RK will have the final say.......did he really sanction this? I doubt that very much. I hate to be half empty but will seriously think next year when ST renewals are up as we will never progress by continuing to flog our homegrown talent. NewForestStu
  • Score: -17

7:35am Fri 27 Jun 14

pitbull says...

I wish you lot would stop living in the past. The previous chairman and manager have gone.

And just for the record, the only time a big club put pressure on Saints to sell during the previous chairmans reign was Arsenal wanting Oxlade-Chamberlin.
What a fantastic job the previous chairman did to keep hold of him. NOT.

Live for the future and support the Saints.
I wish you lot would stop living in the past. The previous chairman and manager have gone. And just for the record, the only time a big club put pressure on Saints to sell during the previous chairmans reign was Arsenal wanting Oxlade-Chamberlin. What a fantastic job the previous chairman did to keep hold of him. NOT. Live for the future and support the Saints. pitbull
  • Score: 32

7:36am Fri 27 Jun 14

andoru says...

Used again. If these players want to play for 'big' clubs they should take a chance at one of their academies. Except, of course, they know it's less likely to break out of it, so they sign for 'smaller' ones with a long-term plan to jump ship at the first opportunity. I'm sick of it. In a small dark, twisted corner of my mind there are hopes he fails miserably, perhaps even gets injured. Seriously, of all the clubs he could go to, it's Man Utd! I hate them almost as much as Pompey.
Used again. If these players want to play for 'big' clubs they should take a chance at one of their academies. Except, of course, they know it's less likely to break out of it, so they sign for 'smaller' ones with a long-term plan to jump ship at the first opportunity. I'm sick of it. In a small dark, twisted corner of my mind there are hopes he fails miserably, perhaps even gets injured. Seriously, of all the clubs he could go to, it's Man Utd! I hate them almost as much as Pompey. andoru
  • Score: 16

7:42am Fri 27 Jun 14

Saint_rob says...

NewForestStu wrote:
Bazultra wrote:
Not a selling club my backside. Fans come last as always and another one bites the dust just like Walcott,Bale and the Ox. I wonder what player is next Chambers? Im not going anywhere says shaw I reiterate im happy here. Good riddance. I see exactly why the don is gone now as he refused point blank to sell anyone and through any enquiries in his bin. Thanks KL thanks very much!
I fully understand that sometimes its business and do think KL is not interested in destroying the good work that has gone on here unfortunately player power as always however i do think we have now created a problem re: Lovren, Lala and anyone else who wants out. As someone else said somewhere.....RK will have the final say.......did he really sanction this? I doubt that very much.

I hate to be half empty but will seriously think next year when ST renewals are up as we will never progress by continuing to flog our homegrown talent.
It's all a bit frustrating for Southampton fans, especially when you think
Of all the talent we have produced over the years. But if a player wants to go,
Then we have to cash in - at least we will be reinvesting this time!
Lowe would have put it in his pocket.
But until we are in the champions league we cannot match the high wages.
Reports of £100 k a week for Shaw, you just wouldn't turn that down.
[quote][p][bold]NewForestStu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: Not a selling club my backside. Fans come last as always and another one bites the dust just like Walcott,Bale and the Ox. I wonder what player is next Chambers? Im not going anywhere says shaw I reiterate im happy here. Good riddance. I see exactly why the don is gone now as he refused point blank to sell anyone and through any enquiries in his bin. Thanks KL thanks very much![/p][/quote]I fully understand that sometimes its business and do think KL is not interested in destroying the good work that has gone on here unfortunately player power as always however i do think we have now created a problem re: Lovren, Lala and anyone else who wants out. As someone else said somewhere.....RK will have the final say.......did he really sanction this? I doubt that very much. I hate to be half empty but will seriously think next year when ST renewals are up as we will never progress by continuing to flog our homegrown talent.[/p][/quote]It's all a bit frustrating for Southampton fans, especially when you think Of all the talent we have produced over the years. But if a player wants to go, Then we have to cash in - at least we will be reinvesting this time! Lowe would have put it in his pocket. But until we are in the champions league we cannot match the high wages. Reports of £100 k a week for Shaw, you just wouldn't turn that down. Saint_rob
  • Score: 6

7:51am Fri 27 Jun 14

BarnetSaint says...

Why in the hell can't we at least keep the likes of shaw until they're 21, he'll still be young enough to get his big money move later.
And we get 3 more seasons.
Very depressing to keep losing our young talent. £27M isn't great business in my view.
Why in the hell can't we at least keep the likes of shaw until they're 21, he'll still be young enough to get his big money move later. And we get 3 more seasons. Very depressing to keep losing our young talent. £27M isn't great business in my view. BarnetSaint
  • Score: -3

7:54am Fri 27 Jun 14

Wagon painted says...

People seem to ignore reality.Firstly the player asked to leave.Secondly the Agents run football and make it hard to for any board to go against there demands .I think most level headed fan expected several departures .Some people seem to bury there head in the sand and hope it won't happen then throw the dummy out when it does.Concentrate on the players the new manager brings in ,it's not the end of the world
People seem to ignore reality.Firstly the player asked to leave.Secondly the Agents run football and make it hard to for any board to go against there demands .I think most level headed fan expected several departures .Some people seem to bury there head in the sand and hope it won't happen then throw the dummy out when it does.Concentrate on the players the new manager brings in ,it's not the end of the world Wagon painted
  • Score: 11

7:56am Fri 27 Jun 14

AdamG10 says...

I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand I think 30mill plus for a teenager is remarkable business. On the other hand I don't see why he had to be in such a rush to move on. He's still so young and could have given more back to the club that's nurtured him since 8 years old, for at least another season. What really ticks me off is yet again Saints don't get the long term benefit of young academy talent (Adam aside) doing the business for us on the pitch. Which as fans is really what we care about the most. Anyway, Thanks Luke and good luck to you. You're an amazing talent and I enjoyed watching you play for Saints. Glass half full time. I'm really excited to see who we bring in now. Up the Saints!
I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand I think 30mill plus for a teenager is remarkable business. On the other hand I don't see why he had to be in such a rush to move on. He's still so young and could have given more back to the club that's nurtured him since 8 years old, for at least another season. What really ticks me off is yet again Saints don't get the long term benefit of young academy talent (Adam aside) doing the business for us on the pitch. Which as fans is really what we care about the most. Anyway, Thanks Luke and good luck to you. You're an amazing talent and I enjoyed watching you play for Saints. Glass half full time. I'm really excited to see who we bring in now. Up the Saints! AdamG10
  • Score: 5

7:58am Fri 27 Jun 14

StHuey says...

We've all been mugged off as Saints fans. I'm hearing the deal was £27m for Shaw. If that's the case we did accept Man U's first offer and everything else has been hot air to make Saints not look quite so pathetic and not a selling club.
Let's see now if the early reports were right and we did sell Lallana before the World Cup too. If that's the case it makes you wonder what the point of supporting Saints is. Most of our academy players are Arsenal fans so they will be gone too the moment they show promise.
Even when we have money, we still don't have the balls to stand our ground and say no to the bigger clubs. Everything else has just been public relations management.
Good business my a*se. We have sold ourselves out.
I so wanted to find the angle to blame Pochettino for stitching us up. Sadly, I am now thinking that he was the principles one.
We've all been mugged off as Saints fans. I'm hearing the deal was £27m for Shaw. If that's the case we did accept Man U's first offer and everything else has been hot air to make Saints not look quite so pathetic and not a selling club. Let's see now if the early reports were right and we did sell Lallana before the World Cup too. If that's the case it makes you wonder what the point of supporting Saints is. Most of our academy players are Arsenal fans so they will be gone too the moment they show promise. Even when we have money, we still don't have the balls to stand our ground and say no to the bigger clubs. Everything else has just been public relations management. Good business my a*se. We have sold ourselves out. I so wanted to find the angle to blame Pochettino for stitching us up. Sadly, I am now thinking that he was the principles one. StHuey
  • Score: -1

7:58am Fri 27 Jun 14

THE12THMAN says...

pitbull wrote:
I wish you lot would stop living in the past. The previous chairman and manager have gone.

And just for the record, the only time a big club put pressure on Saints to sell during the previous chairmans reign was Arsenal wanting Oxlade-Chamberlin.
What a fantastic job the previous chairman did to keep hold of him. NOT.

Live for the future and support the Saints.
Good point,
[quote][p][bold]pitbull[/bold] wrote: I wish you lot would stop living in the past. The previous chairman and manager have gone. And just for the record, the only time a big club put pressure on Saints to sell during the previous chairmans reign was Arsenal wanting Oxlade-Chamberlin. What a fantastic job the previous chairman did to keep hold of him. NOT. Live for the future and support the Saints.[/p][/quote]Good point, THE12THMAN
  • Score: 9

8:01am Fri 27 Jun 14

Sussex Jay says...

It's a real shame but very difficult to stop it,whats important is rk sits down with the squad and asks who really wants to be hear,I think 3 others will follow shaw but next season I can see a big rebuild and as along as we get in the top 12 then the following seasons will be the big ones!!!next year expect alot less and we progress in rk's 2nd season,it's going to be 1 step back 2 forward coyr!!!!!
It's a real shame but very difficult to stop it,whats important is rk sits down with the squad and asks who really wants to be hear,I think 3 others will follow shaw but next season I can see a big rebuild and as along as we get in the top 12 then the following seasons will be the big ones!!!next year expect alot less and we progress in rk's 2nd season,it's going to be 1 step back 2 forward coyr!!!!! Sussex Jay
  • Score: 0

8:03am Fri 27 Jun 14

Saintade says...

Money money money...the seduction of an 18year old by agents! That's all it is. So much for not selling until the manager is in place...Koeman is on holiday and hasn't even met Shaw yet to talk to him. And as for improving the squad...how can you improve a squad you are dismantling? It stinks, and if Man Utd want him they should be made to pay up front, not spread it out over a few seasons...what the hell is that all about? We're becoming the soft touch all over again. I'm gutted and I know I'll be even more gutted when Lallana leaves very soon and we're sat at the bottom of the Prem at Christmas. Sad day.
Money money money...the seduction of an 18year old by agents! That's all it is. So much for not selling until the manager is in place...Koeman is on holiday and hasn't even met Shaw yet to talk to him. And as for improving the squad...how can you improve a squad you are dismantling? It stinks, and if Man Utd want him they should be made to pay up front, not spread it out over a few seasons...what the hell is that all about? We're becoming the soft touch all over again. I'm gutted and I know I'll be even more gutted when Lallana leaves very soon and we're sat at the bottom of the Prem at Christmas. Sad day. Saintade
  • Score: -3

8:06am Fri 27 Jun 14

cotswoldsaint says...

A great shame. Still, pressure from agent, parents, the media and those pound signs rolling in his eyes, what chance does a starstruck teenager have? Hopefully, this doesn't signal the start of a mass exodus of players. Need to hear some positive news of great new signings very soon to stabilise the situation and give any "want-aways" cause to rethink. If you want Champions League football, earn it by working to get the team to which you are contracted into the top four. Simple really.
Oh, and remember, Les Reed, your promise not to sell any players we didn't want to sell? Any more departures and that might begin to look a bit hollow.
A great shame. Still, pressure from agent, parents, the media and those pound signs rolling in his eyes, what chance does a starstruck teenager have? Hopefully, this doesn't signal the start of a mass exodus of players. Need to hear some positive news of great new signings very soon to stabilise the situation and give any "want-aways" cause to rethink. If you want Champions League football, earn it by working to get the team to which you are contracted into the top four. Simple really. Oh, and remember, Les Reed, your promise not to sell any players we didn't want to sell? Any more departures and that might begin to look a bit hollow. cotswoldsaint
  • Score: 2

8:06am Fri 27 Jun 14

Saintade says...

Saint_rob wrote:
NewForestStu wrote:
Bazultra wrote:
Not a selling club my backside. Fans come last as always and another one bites the dust just like Walcott,Bale and the Ox. I wonder what player is next Chambers? Im not going anywhere says shaw I reiterate im happy here. Good riddance. I see exactly why the don is gone now as he refused point blank to sell anyone and through any enquiries in his bin. Thanks KL thanks very much!
I fully understand that sometimes its business and do think KL is not interested in destroying the good work that has gone on here unfortunately player power as always however i do think we have now created a problem re: Lovren, Lala and anyone else who wants out. As someone else said somewhere.....RK will have the final say.......did he really sanction this? I doubt that very much.

I hate to be half empty but will seriously think next year when ST renewals are up as we will never progress by continuing to flog our homegrown talent.
It's all a bit frustrating for Southampton fans, especially when you think
Of all the talent we have produced over the years. But if a player wants to go,
Then we have to cash in - at least we will be reinvesting this time!
Lowe would have put it in his pocket.
But until we are in the champions league we cannot match the high wages.
Reports of £100 k a week for Shaw, you just wouldn't turn that down.
If you really believe the board when they say they will put the money straight back in transfers you're a mug. I bet you don't see any double figures players coming into this squad, it will be a 'journeyman' team next season for sure.
[quote][p][bold]Saint_rob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NewForestStu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: Not a selling club my backside. Fans come last as always and another one bites the dust just like Walcott,Bale and the Ox. I wonder what player is next Chambers? Im not going anywhere says shaw I reiterate im happy here. Good riddance. I see exactly why the don is gone now as he refused point blank to sell anyone and through any enquiries in his bin. Thanks KL thanks very much![/p][/quote]I fully understand that sometimes its business and do think KL is not interested in destroying the good work that has gone on here unfortunately player power as always however i do think we have now created a problem re: Lovren, Lala and anyone else who wants out. As someone else said somewhere.....RK will have the final say.......did he really sanction this? I doubt that very much. I hate to be half empty but will seriously think next year when ST renewals are up as we will never progress by continuing to flog our homegrown talent.[/p][/quote]It's all a bit frustrating for Southampton fans, especially when you think Of all the talent we have produced over the years. But if a player wants to go, Then we have to cash in - at least we will be reinvesting this time! Lowe would have put it in his pocket. But until we are in the champions league we cannot match the high wages. Reports of £100 k a week for Shaw, you just wouldn't turn that down.[/p][/quote]If you really believe the board when they say they will put the money straight back in transfers you're a mug. I bet you don't see any double figures players coming into this squad, it will be a 'journeyman' team next season for sure. Saintade
  • Score: -6

8:10am Fri 27 Jun 14

Saintade says...

cotswoldsaint wrote:
A great shame. Still, pressure from agent, parents, the media and those pound signs rolling in his eyes, what chance does a starstruck teenager have? Hopefully, this doesn't signal the start of a mass exodus of players. Need to hear some positive news of great new signings very soon to stabilise the situation and give any "want-aways" cause to rethink. If you want Champions League football, earn it by working to get the team to which you are contracted into the top four. Simple really.
Oh, and remember, Les Reed, your promise not to sell any players we didn't want to sell? Any more departures and that might begin to look a bit hollow.
Koeman will have been told first and foremost they need to balance the books for Katarina and he won't have anything to do with these transfers in my opinion. He'll be left to pick up the pieces with a minimum budget of around £20m max I reckon, meaning the rest goes into paying off the mess the last lot made, which is why she came back to get our house in order.
[quote][p][bold]cotswoldsaint[/bold] wrote: A great shame. Still, pressure from agent, parents, the media and those pound signs rolling in his eyes, what chance does a starstruck teenager have? Hopefully, this doesn't signal the start of a mass exodus of players. Need to hear some positive news of great new signings very soon to stabilise the situation and give any "want-aways" cause to rethink. If you want Champions League football, earn it by working to get the team to which you are contracted into the top four. Simple really. Oh, and remember, Les Reed, your promise not to sell any players we didn't want to sell? Any more departures and that might begin to look a bit hollow.[/p][/quote]Koeman will have been told first and foremost they need to balance the books for Katarina and he won't have anything to do with these transfers in my opinion. He'll be left to pick up the pieces with a minimum budget of around £20m max I reckon, meaning the rest goes into paying off the mess the last lot made, which is why she came back to get our house in order. Saintade
  • Score: -2

8:11am Fri 27 Jun 14

THE12THMAN says...

BarnetSaint wrote:
Why in the hell can't we at least keep the likes of shaw until they're 21, he'll still be young enough to get his big money move later.
And we get 3 more seasons.
Very depressing to keep losing our young talent. £27M isn't great business in my view.
It is very hard to keep players like Shaw when clubs like Man Utd offer a player £100,000 pounds a week, I'm afraid we just can't offer those sort of wages to players, Man Utd go further and further into debt every year in search of glory, do we really want to go down the same road just to keep a player and his agent happy, I for one do not, COYR
[quote][p][bold]BarnetSaint[/bold] wrote: Why in the hell can't we at least keep the likes of shaw until they're 21, he'll still be young enough to get his big money move later. And we get 3 more seasons. Very depressing to keep losing our young talent. £27M isn't great business in my view.[/p][/quote]It is very hard to keep players like Shaw when clubs like Man Utd offer a player £100,000 pounds a week, I'm afraid we just can't offer those sort of wages to players, Man Utd go further and further into debt every year in search of glory, do we really want to go down the same road just to keep a player and his agent happy, I for one do not, COYR THE12THMAN
  • Score: 14

8:17am Fri 27 Jun 14

jls217 says...

BarnetSaint wrote:
Why in the hell can't we at least keep the likes of shaw until they're 21, he'll still be young enough to get his big money move later.
And we get 3 more seasons.
Very depressing to keep losing our young talent. £27M isn't great business in my view.
That's why he was on a long contract. Freddie Kruger was saying how surprised he was that contracts seems to mean nothing in this country as he is accustomed to players and clubs honouring their contracts. He's right what is the point of a contract? Zero hours maybe and whoever turns up on a Saturday gets a game - this could all get very silly. I don't think 27m is particularly good business either especially for someone of his age and who we are led to believe is a "Unique talent". We can only imagine that the powers that be have a "Unique talent" lined up to replace - hopefully one who can defend better than Shaw does - and at a lower price too!
Depressing sometimes doesn't cover it Barnet.
[quote][p][bold]BarnetSaint[/bold] wrote: Why in the hell can't we at least keep the likes of shaw until they're 21, he'll still be young enough to get his big money move later. And we get 3 more seasons. Very depressing to keep losing our young talent. £27M isn't great business in my view.[/p][/quote]That's why he was on a long contract. Freddie Kruger was saying how surprised he was that contracts seems to mean nothing in this country as he is accustomed to players and clubs honouring their contracts. He's right what is the point of a contract? Zero hours maybe and whoever turns up on a Saturday gets a game - this could all get very silly. I don't think 27m is particularly good business either especially for someone of his age and who we are led to believe is a "Unique talent". We can only imagine that the powers that be have a "Unique talent" lined up to replace - hopefully one who can defend better than Shaw does - and at a lower price too! Depressing sometimes doesn't cover it Barnet. jls217
  • Score: 3

8:18am Fri 27 Jun 14

StHuey says...

I also think that when Les Reed claimed that no player would be sold without Pochettino's approval, what he neglected to say was that without selling, he would have no money for transfers.
We'll see now won't we if the reported £50-70m transfer kitty equates to what we get for Shaw, Lovren and Lallana. Oh, and of course Ronald could have a bigger transfer kitty if he agrees to sell anyone else. Makes a mockery of everything we've been told by our club. No wonder they are so quiet. Because they are ashamed.
Bye Chambers!
I also predict that Schneiderlin will be Captain next season. The right decision, but also probably the only way, tied to an improved deal, that they could persuade him not to ship off too.
I also think that when Les Reed claimed that no player would be sold without Pochettino's approval, what he neglected to say was that without selling, he would have no money for transfers. We'll see now won't we if the reported £50-70m transfer kitty equates to what we get for Shaw, Lovren and Lallana. Oh, and of course Ronald could have a bigger transfer kitty if he agrees to sell anyone else. Makes a mockery of everything we've been told by our club. No wonder they are so quiet. Because they are ashamed. Bye Chambers! I also predict that Schneiderlin will be Captain next season. The right decision, but also probably the only way, tied to an improved deal, that they could persuade him not to ship off too. StHuey
  • Score: -4

8:18am Fri 27 Jun 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

NewForestStu wrote:
Sell on clause?

Whats the point anymore, not going to sell unlesd its right for the club etc etc.....is this really good for the club? No good having a great academy if we are simply going to continue as always.

I for one minute cannot think this would have happened under the Don, well not for this price anyway. Next up La la and Lovren, i give up.
Do you think that NC wouldn't have sold players?
Of course he would, he sold ox at the first sniff of money and was in the process of selling Rickie until his 3 months notice ran out!
I know he did that fantastic interview with the non biased Ben Smith, where he said that all the other chairman respected his views and didn't put any bids in, but do you really think that these ruthless premiere league chairman wouldn't try their luck just because he told them not to?
NC has left and isn't in charge anymore so theres no point saying 'he wouldn't do this or that or sell that player' we don't know! He might have cashed in on Luke before the world cup for all we know.
I'm as annoyed as anyone that we seem to be selling Luke, nut if it stops there and we only sell Osvaldo from now on I can just about live with it.
[quote][p][bold]NewForestStu[/bold] wrote: Sell on clause? Whats the point anymore, not going to sell unlesd its right for the club etc etc.....is this really good for the club? No good having a great academy if we are simply going to continue as always. I for one minute cannot think this would have happened under the Don, well not for this price anyway. Next up La la and Lovren, i give up.[/p][/quote]Do you think that NC wouldn't have sold players? Of course he would, he sold ox at the first sniff of money and was in the process of selling Rickie until his 3 months notice ran out! I know he did that fantastic interview with the non biased Ben Smith, where he said that all the other chairman respected his views and didn't put any bids in, but do you really think that these ruthless premiere league chairman wouldn't try their luck just because he told them not to? NC has left and isn't in charge anymore so theres no point saying 'he wouldn't do this or that or sell that player' we don't know! He might have cashed in on Luke before the world cup for all we know. I'm as annoyed as anyone that we seem to be selling Luke, nut if it stops there and we only sell Osvaldo from now on I can just about live with it. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 3

8:21am Fri 27 Jun 14

Saint_rob says...

Saintade wrote:
Saint_rob wrote:
NewForestStu wrote:
Bazultra wrote:
Not a selling club my backside. Fans come last as always and another one bites the dust just like Walcott,Bale and the Ox. I wonder what player is next Chambers? Im not going anywhere says shaw I reiterate im happy here. Good riddance. I see exactly why the don is gone now as he refused point blank to sell anyone and through any enquiries in his bin. Thanks KL thanks very much!
I fully understand that sometimes its business and do think KL is not interested in destroying the good work that has gone on here unfortunately player power as always however i do think we have now created a problem re: Lovren, Lala and anyone else who wants out. As someone else said somewhere.....RK will have the final say.......did he really sanction this? I doubt that very much.

I hate to be half empty but will seriously think next year when ST renewals are up as we will never progress by continuing to flog our homegrown talent.
It's all a bit frustrating for Southampton fans, especially when you think
Of all the talent we have produced over the years. But if a player wants to go,
Then we have to cash in - at least we will be reinvesting this time!
Lowe would have put it in his pocket.
But until we are in the champions league we cannot match the high wages.
Reports of £100 k a week for Shaw, you just wouldn't turn that down.
If you really believe the board when they say they will put the money straight back in transfers you're a mug. I bet you don't see any double figures players coming into this squad, it will be a 'journeyman' team next season for sure.
If no double figure players come then yes I am a mug.
But if a double figure player does come in then you are a mug!
Can't say fairer than that.
[quote][p][bold]Saintade[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint_rob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NewForestStu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: Not a selling club my backside. Fans come last as always and another one bites the dust just like Walcott,Bale and the Ox. I wonder what player is next Chambers? Im not going anywhere says shaw I reiterate im happy here. Good riddance. I see exactly why the don is gone now as he refused point blank to sell anyone and through any enquiries in his bin. Thanks KL thanks very much![/p][/quote]I fully understand that sometimes its business and do think KL is not interested in destroying the good work that has gone on here unfortunately player power as always however i do think we have now created a problem re: Lovren, Lala and anyone else who wants out. As someone else said somewhere.....RK will have the final say.......did he really sanction this? I doubt that very much. I hate to be half empty but will seriously think next year when ST renewals are up as we will never progress by continuing to flog our homegrown talent.[/p][/quote]It's all a bit frustrating for Southampton fans, especially when you think Of all the talent we have produced over the years. But if a player wants to go, Then we have to cash in - at least we will be reinvesting this time! Lowe would have put it in his pocket. But until we are in the champions league we cannot match the high wages. Reports of £100 k a week for Shaw, you just wouldn't turn that down.[/p][/quote]If you really believe the board when they say they will put the money straight back in transfers you're a mug. I bet you don't see any double figures players coming into this squad, it will be a 'journeyman' team next season for sure.[/p][/quote]If no double figure players come then yes I am a mug. But if a double figure player does come in then you are a mug! Can't say fairer than that. Saint_rob
  • Score: 3

8:21am Fri 27 Jun 14

StHuey says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
Thankyounicola wrote:
one of the most eye catching talent lost. Poor deal. Should not sold for less than £45-50 million. If Martinez can say that he would not sell Ross Barkley for even £40 million how can we sell a younger player for even less. With all the add ons there who knows how much cash is being paid upfront. In 5 yrs time everybody will realise how poor a deal this was.
I expect saints have added a sell on clause in the deal, so in 5 years time it could turn out to be a fantastic piece of business. Shame he is going but no use trying to keep a player who does not want to stay. Reinvest the money and move on.
Once at United, always at United. Unless Real come in. Unlikely for a left back
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thankyounicola[/bold] wrote: one of the most eye catching talent lost. Poor deal. Should not sold for less than £45-50 million. If Martinez can say that he would not sell Ross Barkley for even £40 million how can we sell a younger player for even less. With all the add ons there who knows how much cash is being paid upfront. In 5 yrs time everybody will realise how poor a deal this was.[/p][/quote]I expect saints have added a sell on clause in the deal, so in 5 years time it could turn out to be a fantastic piece of business. Shame he is going but no use trying to keep a player who does not want to stay. Reinvest the money and move on.[/p][/quote]Once at United, always at United. Unless Real come in. Unlikely for a left back StHuey
  • Score: -6

8:28am Fri 27 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

jls217 wrote:
BarnetSaint wrote:
Why in the hell can't we at least keep the likes of shaw until they're 21, he'll still be young enough to get his big money move later.
And we get 3 more seasons.
Very depressing to keep losing our young talent. £27M isn't great business in my view.
That's why he was on a long contract. Freddie Kruger was saying how surprised he was that contracts seems to mean nothing in this country as he is accustomed to players and clubs honouring their contracts. He's right what is the point of a contract? Zero hours maybe and whoever turns up on a Saturday gets a game - this could all get very silly. I don't think 27m is particularly good business either especially for someone of his age and who we are led to believe is a "Unique talent". We can only imagine that the powers that be have a "Unique talent" lined up to replace - hopefully one who can defend better than Shaw does - and at a lower price too!
Depressing sometimes doesn't cover it Barnet.
Freddie surprised again by the goings on in the Prem? Remind me what are his qualifications and experience for this job?
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BarnetSaint[/bold] wrote: Why in the hell can't we at least keep the likes of shaw until they're 21, he'll still be young enough to get his big money move later. And we get 3 more seasons. Very depressing to keep losing our young talent. £27M isn't great business in my view.[/p][/quote]That's why he was on a long contract. Freddie Kruger was saying how surprised he was that contracts seems to mean nothing in this country as he is accustomed to players and clubs honouring their contracts. He's right what is the point of a contract? Zero hours maybe and whoever turns up on a Saturday gets a game - this could all get very silly. I don't think 27m is particularly good business either especially for someone of his age and who we are led to believe is a "Unique talent". We can only imagine that the powers that be have a "Unique talent" lined up to replace - hopefully one who can defend better than Shaw does - and at a lower price too! Depressing sometimes doesn't cover it Barnet.[/p][/quote]Freddie surprised again by the goings on in the Prem? Remind me what are his qualifications and experience for this job? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 0

8:35am Fri 27 Jun 14

Soton Saint says...

A lot of people seem to forget that we have the vest academy in the country and we are in a position where we have talent for all positions. Luke Shaw going for £30 plus million is going to be good business for us. Players will always leave us. But the key thing we all need to remember is we will now have money to spend on buying other players and identifying talent. After all we also have a top recruitment department that identifies players and managers. We had never heard of Pochettino when he came to is and where not that familiar to Adkins. This is just another part of the journey to getting in to the top end of the table and playing in Europe. We need to get behind RONALD and the Club. Keep following and Supporting! COYS!!
A lot of people seem to forget that we have the vest academy in the country and we are in a position where we have talent for all positions. Luke Shaw going for £30 plus million is going to be good business for us. Players will always leave us. But the key thing we all need to remember is we will now have money to spend on buying other players and identifying talent. After all we also have a top recruitment department that identifies players and managers. We had never heard of Pochettino when he came to is and where not that familiar to Adkins. This is just another part of the journey to getting in to the top end of the table and playing in Europe. We need to get behind RONALD and the Club. Keep following and Supporting! COYS!! Soton Saint
  • Score: 6

8:38am Fri 27 Jun 14

jls217 says...

Bazultra wrote:
Not a selling club my backside. Fans come last as always and another one bites the dust just like Walcott,Bale and the Ox. I wonder what player is next Chambers? Im not going anywhere says shaw I reiterate im happy here. Good riddance. I see exactly why the don is gone now as he refused point blank to sell anyone and through any enquiries in his bin. Thanks KL thanks very much!
Don't know how the blame gets switched to KL - She and her family business have invested very heavily into Saints. I'm thankful for what her and her Dad, god bless him, have done for us.

I hate being included under the label of a selling club too mate. It's all down to mathematics - work it out for yourself.

Club A gets 50k plus on a home gate and has tens of millions worldwide purchasing their name, kit, souvenirs etc.

Club B struggles to get 32k most games and few outside of a 30mile radius even know it exists. Worldwide sales are minimum 'cos no-one knows who they are or where they are. How does club B manage to keep snapping at the heels of club A? It sells players 'cos nobody is interested in buying their shirts.

How can club B get closer to club A? Answer is it probably cannot unless the 32k who turn up can convince the board to build a 52k stadium and help to fill it - 20k empty seats do not make money.

Saints need to expand their fan base within the Solent area to stand any chance at all. I was on the IOW ferry one Sat morning and all I saw were fans on the ferry. Unfortunately very few had Saints shirts on, there were shirts of various London clubs all travelling up to the smoke to spend their money. Why?????
How many from the city of Southampton do not follow Saints - the M3 is full of cars heading elsewhere on a Saturday with people from the city going elsewhere to watch their team. Why are they not attracted to St. Mary's? Why do the people of Southampton feel no affinity with their home club?

Take a look at the sizable towns within a half hours drive of us and wonder why the youngsters from those towns, Salisbury, Andover, Basingstoke, Chichester, Dorchester, IOW etc etc are not following the Saints?
Is Saints doing enough to capture these kids at a young age to follow Saints all their lives like I have? I fear the answer has to be no.
The Echo only ever mentions us when it's derogatory or neg, Radio Solent, IOW radio etc need to used to push the name of Saints out. Wonder if a half hour programme on the telly BBC South maybe informing the local population of all things SAINTS might keep the club in their minds. Something needs to change to break through that ceiling - just not sure what.
[quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: Not a selling club my backside. Fans come last as always and another one bites the dust just like Walcott,Bale and the Ox. I wonder what player is next Chambers? Im not going anywhere says shaw I reiterate im happy here. Good riddance. I see exactly why the don is gone now as he refused point blank to sell anyone and through any enquiries in his bin. Thanks KL thanks very much![/p][/quote]Don't know how the blame gets switched to KL - She and her family business have invested very heavily into Saints. I'm thankful for what her and her Dad, god bless him, have done for us. I hate being included under the label of a selling club too mate. It's all down to mathematics - work it out for yourself. Club A gets 50k plus on a home gate and has tens of millions worldwide purchasing their name, kit, souvenirs etc. Club B struggles to get 32k most games and few outside of a 30mile radius even know it exists. Worldwide sales are minimum 'cos no-one knows who they are or where they are. How does club B manage to keep snapping at the heels of club A? It sells players 'cos nobody is interested in buying their shirts. How can club B get closer to club A? Answer is it probably cannot unless the 32k who turn up can convince the board to build a 52k stadium and help to fill it - 20k empty seats do not make money. Saints need to expand their fan base within the Solent area to stand any chance at all. I was on the IOW ferry one Sat morning and all I saw were fans on the ferry. Unfortunately very few had Saints shirts on, there were shirts of various London clubs all travelling up to the smoke to spend their money. Why????? How many from the city of Southampton do not follow Saints - the M3 is full of cars heading elsewhere on a Saturday with people from the city going elsewhere to watch their team. Why are they not attracted to St. Mary's? Why do the people of Southampton feel no affinity with their home club? Take a look at the sizable towns within a half hours drive of us and wonder why the youngsters from those towns, Salisbury, Andover, Basingstoke, Chichester, Dorchester, IOW etc etc are not following the Saints? Is Saints doing enough to capture these kids at a young age to follow Saints all their lives like I have? I fear the answer has to be no. The Echo only ever mentions us when it's derogatory or neg, Radio Solent, IOW radio etc need to used to push the name of Saints out. Wonder if a half hour programme on the telly BBC South maybe informing the local population of all things SAINTS might keep the club in their minds. Something needs to change to break through that ceiling - just not sure what. jls217
  • Score: 11

8:41am Fri 27 Jun 14

Stroppy_gramps says...

gutted that Shaw has chosen to go to Man U. But then if the £30million price tag is true, it's a great bit of business for the club.
Of course now that we appear to have chosen to sell this amazing talent rather than benefit from it on the pitch, I hope that the club are going to invest the money wisely. Personally, I don't quit understand how you get the club into Europe by selling the talent that is so obviously going to get you there.

For Luke's sake, I hope he's not going there just to warm the bench.
gutted that Shaw has chosen to go to Man U. But then if the £30million price tag is true, it's a great bit of business for the club. Of course now that we appear to have chosen to sell this amazing talent rather than benefit from it on the pitch, I hope that the club are going to invest the money wisely. Personally, I don't quit understand how you get the club into Europe by selling the talent that is so obviously going to get you there. For Luke's sake, I hope he's not going there just to warm the bench. Stroppy_gramps
  • Score: 1

8:43am Fri 27 Jun 14

Stroppy_gramps says...

jls217 wrote:
Bazultra wrote:
Not a selling club my backside. Fans come last as always and another one bites the dust just like Walcott,Bale and the Ox. I wonder what player is next Chambers? Im not going anywhere says shaw I reiterate im happy here. Good riddance. I see exactly why the don is gone now as he refused point blank to sell anyone and through any enquiries in his bin. Thanks KL thanks very much!
Don't know how the blame gets switched to KL - She and her family business have invested very heavily into Saints. I'm thankful for what her and her Dad, god bless him, have done for us.

I hate being included under the label of a selling club too mate. It's all down to mathematics - work it out for yourself.

Club A gets 50k plus on a home gate and has tens of millions worldwide purchasing their name, kit, souvenirs etc.

Club B struggles to get 32k most games and few outside of a 30mile radius even know it exists. Worldwide sales are minimum 'cos no-one knows who they are or where they are. How does club B manage to keep snapping at the heels of club A? It sells players 'cos nobody is interested in buying their shirts.

How can club B get closer to club A? Answer is it probably cannot unless the 32k who turn up can convince the board to build a 52k stadium and help to fill it - 20k empty seats do not make money.

Saints need to expand their fan base within the Solent area to stand any chance at all. I was on the IOW ferry one Sat morning and all I saw were fans on the ferry. Unfortunately very few had Saints shirts on, there were shirts of various London clubs all travelling up to the smoke to spend their money. Why?????
How many from the city of Southampton do not follow Saints - the M3 is full of cars heading elsewhere on a Saturday with people from the city going elsewhere to watch their team. Why are they not attracted to St. Mary's? Why do the people of Southampton feel no affinity with their home club?

Take a look at the sizable towns within a half hours drive of us and wonder why the youngsters from those towns, Salisbury, Andover, Basingstoke, Chichester, Dorchester, IOW etc etc are not following the Saints?
Is Saints doing enough to capture these kids at a young age to follow Saints all their lives like I have? I fear the answer has to be no.
The Echo only ever mentions us when it's derogatory or neg, Radio Solent, IOW radio etc need to used to push the name of Saints out. Wonder if a half hour programme on the telly BBC South maybe informing the local population of all things SAINTS might keep the club in their minds. Something needs to change to break through that ceiling - just not sure what.
you were doing quite well until 'club B.... very few outside of a 30 mile radius even know it exists'

silly comment to make.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: Not a selling club my backside. Fans come last as always and another one bites the dust just like Walcott,Bale and the Ox. I wonder what player is next Chambers? Im not going anywhere says shaw I reiterate im happy here. Good riddance. I see exactly why the don is gone now as he refused point blank to sell anyone and through any enquiries in his bin. Thanks KL thanks very much![/p][/quote]Don't know how the blame gets switched to KL - She and her family business have invested very heavily into Saints. I'm thankful for what her and her Dad, god bless him, have done for us. I hate being included under the label of a selling club too mate. It's all down to mathematics - work it out for yourself. Club A gets 50k plus on a home gate and has tens of millions worldwide purchasing their name, kit, souvenirs etc. Club B struggles to get 32k most games and few outside of a 30mile radius even know it exists. Worldwide sales are minimum 'cos no-one knows who they are or where they are. How does club B manage to keep snapping at the heels of club A? It sells players 'cos nobody is interested in buying their shirts. How can club B get closer to club A? Answer is it probably cannot unless the 32k who turn up can convince the board to build a 52k stadium and help to fill it - 20k empty seats do not make money. Saints need to expand their fan base within the Solent area to stand any chance at all. I was on the IOW ferry one Sat morning and all I saw were fans on the ferry. Unfortunately very few had Saints shirts on, there were shirts of various London clubs all travelling up to the smoke to spend their money. Why????? How many from the city of Southampton do not follow Saints - the M3 is full of cars heading elsewhere on a Saturday with people from the city going elsewhere to watch their team. Why are they not attracted to St. Mary's? Why do the people of Southampton feel no affinity with their home club? Take a look at the sizable towns within a half hours drive of us and wonder why the youngsters from those towns, Salisbury, Andover, Basingstoke, Chichester, Dorchester, IOW etc etc are not following the Saints? Is Saints doing enough to capture these kids at a young age to follow Saints all their lives like I have? I fear the answer has to be no. The Echo only ever mentions us when it's derogatory or neg, Radio Solent, IOW radio etc need to used to push the name of Saints out. Wonder if a half hour programme on the telly BBC South maybe informing the local population of all things SAINTS might keep the club in their minds. Something needs to change to break through that ceiling - just not sure what.[/p][/quote]you were doing quite well until 'club B.... very few outside of a 30 mile radius even know it exists' silly comment to make. Stroppy_gramps
  • Score: 1

8:51am Fri 27 Jun 14

SaintAsh1964 says...

Saint_rob wrote:
Saintade wrote:
Saint_rob wrote:
NewForestStu wrote:
Bazultra wrote:
Not a selling club my backside. Fans come last as always and another one bites the dust just like Walcott,Bale and the Ox. I wonder what player is next Chambers? Im not going anywhere says shaw I reiterate im happy here. Good riddance. I see exactly why the don is gone now as he refused point blank to sell anyone and through any enquiries in his bin. Thanks KL thanks very much!
I fully understand that sometimes its business and do think KL is not interested in destroying the good work that has gone on here unfortunately player power as always however i do think we have now created a problem re: Lovren, Lala and anyone else who wants out. As someone else said somewhere.....RK will have the final say.......did he really sanction this? I doubt that very much.

I hate to be half empty but will seriously think next year when ST renewals are up as we will never progress by continuing to flog our homegrown talent.
It's all a bit frustrating for Southampton fans, especially when you think
Of all the talent we have produced over the years. But if a player wants to go,
Then we have to cash in - at least we will be reinvesting this time!
Lowe would have put it in his pocket.
But until we are in the champions league we cannot match the high wages.
Reports of £100 k a week for Shaw, you just wouldn't turn that down.
If you really believe the board when they say they will put the money straight back in transfers you're a mug. I bet you don't see any double figures players coming into this squad, it will be a 'journeyman' team next season for sure.
If no double figure players come then yes I am a mug.
But if a double figure player does come in then you are a mug!
Can't say fairer than that.
So Danni, Gaston & Victor were all "double figure" signings and that was without large fees being bought in to the club, how does your argument stack up?
30+ Million for a teenage left back and admittedly a potentially great player is good business for Saints so long as the money is re invested in the team, which I believe it will be, this could give us a much more solid platform and stronger squad which we definitely needed last season, 2 up front, 2 attacking midfielders, 2 central defenders and now a left back, if we spend 50+ million this summer I think most Saints fans would be well chuffed with that, plus more youngsters coming through from the Academy.
The future is bright, Red & White, with flashes of Orange!
COYS
[quote][p][bold]Saint_rob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintade[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint_rob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NewForestStu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: Not a selling club my backside. Fans come last as always and another one bites the dust just like Walcott,Bale and the Ox. I wonder what player is next Chambers? Im not going anywhere says shaw I reiterate im happy here. Good riddance. I see exactly why the don is gone now as he refused point blank to sell anyone and through any enquiries in his bin. Thanks KL thanks very much![/p][/quote]I fully understand that sometimes its business and do think KL is not interested in destroying the good work that has gone on here unfortunately player power as always however i do think we have now created a problem re: Lovren, Lala and anyone else who wants out. As someone else said somewhere.....RK will have the final say.......did he really sanction this? I doubt that very much. I hate to be half empty but will seriously think next year when ST renewals are up as we will never progress by continuing to flog our homegrown talent.[/p][/quote]It's all a bit frustrating for Southampton fans, especially when you think Of all the talent we have produced over the years. But if a player wants to go, Then we have to cash in - at least we will be reinvesting this time! Lowe would have put it in his pocket. But until we are in the champions league we cannot match the high wages. Reports of £100 k a week for Shaw, you just wouldn't turn that down.[/p][/quote]If you really believe the board when they say they will put the money straight back in transfers you're a mug. I bet you don't see any double figures players coming into this squad, it will be a 'journeyman' team next season for sure.[/p][/quote]If no double figure players come then yes I am a mug. But if a double figure player does come in then you are a mug! Can't say fairer than that.[/p][/quote]So Danni, Gaston & Victor were all "double figure" signings and that was without large fees being bought in to the club, how does your argument stack up? 30+ Million for a teenage left back and admittedly a potentially great player is good business for Saints so long as the money is re invested in the team, which I believe it will be, this could give us a much more solid platform and stronger squad which we definitely needed last season, 2 up front, 2 attacking midfielders, 2 central defenders and now a left back, if we spend 50+ million this summer I think most Saints fans would be well chuffed with that, plus more youngsters coming through from the Academy. The future is bright, Red & White, with flashes of Orange! COYS SaintAsh1964
  • Score: 1

8:55am Fri 27 Jun 14

costa gaz says...

Express are saying he has signed and £33m is the price
Express are saying he has signed and £33m is the price costa gaz
  • Score: 0

8:55am Fri 27 Jun 14

THE12THMAN says...

jls217 wrote:
Bazultra wrote:
Not a selling club my backside. Fans come last as always and another one bites the dust just like Walcott,Bale and the Ox. I wonder what player is next Chambers? Im not going anywhere says shaw I reiterate im happy here. Good riddance. I see exactly why the don is gone now as he refused point blank to sell anyone and through any enquiries in his bin. Thanks KL thanks very much!
Don't know how the blame gets switched to KL - She and her family business have invested very heavily into Saints. I'm thankful for what her and her Dad, god bless him, have done for us.

I hate being included under the label of a selling club too mate. It's all down to mathematics - work it out for yourself.

Club A gets 50k plus on a home gate and has tens of millions worldwide purchasing their name, kit, souvenirs etc.

Club B struggles to get 32k most games and few outside of a 30mile radius even know it exists. Worldwide sales are minimum 'cos no-one knows who they are or where they are. How does club B manage to keep snapping at the heels of club A? It sells players 'cos nobody is interested in buying their shirts.

How can club B get closer to club A? Answer is it probably cannot unless the 32k who turn up can convince the board to build a 52k stadium and help to fill it - 20k empty seats do not make money.

Saints need to expand their fan base within the Solent area to stand any chance at all. I was on the IOW ferry one Sat morning and all I saw were fans on the ferry. Unfortunately very few had Saints shirts on, there were shirts of various London clubs all travelling up to the smoke to spend their money. Why?????
How many from the city of Southampton do not follow Saints - the M3 is full of cars heading elsewhere on a Saturday with people from the city going elsewhere to watch their team. Why are they not attracted to St. Mary's? Why do the people of Southampton feel no affinity with their home club?

Take a look at the sizable towns within a half hours drive of us and wonder why the youngsters from those towns, Salisbury, Andover, Basingstoke, Chichester, Dorchester, IOW etc etc are not following the Saints?
Is Saints doing enough to capture these kids at a young age to follow Saints all their lives like I have? I fear the answer has to be no.
The Echo only ever mentions us when it's derogatory or neg, Radio Solent, IOW radio etc need to used to push the name of Saints out. Wonder if a half hour programme on the telly BBC South maybe informing the local population of all things SAINTS might keep the club in their minds. Something needs to change to break through that ceiling - just not sure what.
Great post, and you are right saints fans should be selling out the stadium every week.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: Not a selling club my backside. Fans come last as always and another one bites the dust just like Walcott,Bale and the Ox. I wonder what player is next Chambers? Im not going anywhere says shaw I reiterate im happy here. Good riddance. I see exactly why the don is gone now as he refused point blank to sell anyone and through any enquiries in his bin. Thanks KL thanks very much![/p][/quote]Don't know how the blame gets switched to KL - She and her family business have invested very heavily into Saints. I'm thankful for what her and her Dad, god bless him, have done for us. I hate being included under the label of a selling club too mate. It's all down to mathematics - work it out for yourself. Club A gets 50k plus on a home gate and has tens of millions worldwide purchasing their name, kit, souvenirs etc. Club B struggles to get 32k most games and few outside of a 30mile radius even know it exists. Worldwide sales are minimum 'cos no-one knows who they are or where they are. How does club B manage to keep snapping at the heels of club A? It sells players 'cos nobody is interested in buying their shirts. How can club B get closer to club A? Answer is it probably cannot unless the 32k who turn up can convince the board to build a 52k stadium and help to fill it - 20k empty seats do not make money. Saints need to expand their fan base within the Solent area to stand any chance at all. I was on the IOW ferry one Sat morning and all I saw were fans on the ferry. Unfortunately very few had Saints shirts on, there were shirts of various London clubs all travelling up to the smoke to spend their money. Why????? How many from the city of Southampton do not follow Saints - the M3 is full of cars heading elsewhere on a Saturday with people from the city going elsewhere to watch their team. Why are they not attracted to St. Mary's? Why do the people of Southampton feel no affinity with their home club? Take a look at the sizable towns within a half hours drive of us and wonder why the youngsters from those towns, Salisbury, Andover, Basingstoke, Chichester, Dorchester, IOW etc etc are not following the Saints? Is Saints doing enough to capture these kids at a young age to follow Saints all their lives like I have? I fear the answer has to be no. The Echo only ever mentions us when it's derogatory or neg, Radio Solent, IOW radio etc need to used to push the name of Saints out. Wonder if a half hour programme on the telly BBC South maybe informing the local population of all things SAINTS might keep the club in their minds. Something needs to change to break through that ceiling - just not sure what.[/p][/quote]Great post, and you are right saints fans should be selling out the stadium every week. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 6

8:58am Fri 27 Jun 14

costa gaz says...

costa gaz wrote:
Express are saying he has signed and £33m is the price
'll expect the usual suspects to us tell how rubbish he actually is, we don't need him and he'll end up warming the bench.
Fact is we have lost a fantastic player, who will go on to become one of the games finest left backs.

We now have to try to keep Lallana and Lovren.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Express are saying he has signed and £33m is the price[/p][/quote]'ll expect the usual suspects to us tell how rubbish he actually is, we don't need him and he'll end up warming the bench. Fact is we have lost a fantastic player, who will go on to become one of the games finest left backs. We now have to try to keep Lallana and Lovren. costa gaz
  • Score: 3

9:01am Fri 27 Jun 14

THE12THMAN says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
jls217 wrote:
BarnetSaint wrote:
Why in the hell can't we at least keep the likes of shaw until they're 21, he'll still be young enough to get his big money move later.
And we get 3 more seasons.
Very depressing to keep losing our young talent. £27M isn't great business in my view.
That's why he was on a long contract. Freddie Kruger was saying how surprised he was that contracts seems to mean nothing in this country as he is accustomed to players and clubs honouring their contracts. He's right what is the point of a contract? Zero hours maybe and whoever turns up on a Saturday gets a game - this could all get very silly. I don't think 27m is particularly good business either especially for someone of his age and who we are led to believe is a "Unique talent". We can only imagine that the powers that be have a "Unique talent" lined up to replace - hopefully one who can defend better than Shaw does - and at a lower price too!
Depressing sometimes doesn't cover it Barnet.
Freddie surprised again by the goings on in the Prem? Remind me what are his qualifications and experience for this job?
He is more qualified for the job than Cortese was when he took over and did anyone question his qualifications.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BarnetSaint[/bold] wrote: Why in the hell can't we at least keep the likes of shaw until they're 21, he'll still be young enough to get his big money move later. And we get 3 more seasons. Very depressing to keep losing our young talent. £27M isn't great business in my view.[/p][/quote]That's why he was on a long contract. Freddie Kruger was saying how surprised he was that contracts seems to mean nothing in this country as he is accustomed to players and clubs honouring their contracts. He's right what is the point of a contract? Zero hours maybe and whoever turns up on a Saturday gets a game - this could all get very silly. I don't think 27m is particularly good business either especially for someone of his age and who we are led to believe is a "Unique talent". We can only imagine that the powers that be have a "Unique talent" lined up to replace - hopefully one who can defend better than Shaw does - and at a lower price too! Depressing sometimes doesn't cover it Barnet.[/p][/quote]Freddie surprised again by the goings on in the Prem? Remind me what are his qualifications and experience for this job?[/p][/quote]He is more qualified for the job than Cortese was when he took over and did anyone question his qualifications. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 8

9:04am Fri 27 Jun 14

jls217 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
jls217 wrote:
BarnetSaint wrote:
Why in the hell can't we at least keep the likes of shaw until they're 21, he'll still be young enough to get his big money move later.
And we get 3 more seasons.
Very depressing to keep losing our young talent. £27M isn't great business in my view.
That's why he was on a long contract. Freddie Kruger was saying how surprised he was that contracts seems to mean nothing in this country as he is accustomed to players and clubs honouring their contracts. He's right what is the point of a contract? Zero hours maybe and whoever turns up on a Saturday gets a game - this could all get very silly. I don't think 27m is particularly good business either especially for someone of his age and who we are led to believe is a "Unique talent". We can only imagine that the powers that be have a "Unique talent" lined up to replace - hopefully one who can defend better than Shaw does - and at a lower price too!
Depressing sometimes doesn't cover it Barnet.
Freddie surprised again by the goings on in the Prem? Remind me what are his qualifications and experience for this job?
Don't know how the blame gets switched to KL - She and her family business have invested very heavily into Saints. I'm thankful for what her and her Dad, god bless him, have done for us.

I hate being included under the label of a selling club too mate. It's all down to mathematics - work it out for yourself.

Club A gets 50k plus on a home gate and has tens of millions worldwide purchasing their name, kit, souvenirs etc.

Club B struggles to get 32k most games and few outside of a 30mile radius even know it exists. Worldwide sales are minimum 'cos no-one knows who they are or where they are. How does club B manage to keep snapping at the heels of club A? It sells players 'cos nobody is interested in buying their shirts.

How can club B get closer to club A? Answer is it probably cannot unless the 32k who turn up can convince the board to build a 52k stadium and help to fill it - 20k empty seats do not make money.

Saints need to expand their fan base within the Solent area to stand any chance at all. I was on the IOW ferry one Sat morning and all I saw were fans on the ferry. Unfortunately very few had Saints shirts on, there were shirts of various London clubs all travelling up to the smoke to spend their money. Why?????
How many from the city of Southampton do not follow Saints - the M3 is full of cars heading elsewhere on a Saturday with people from the city going elsewhere to watch their team. Why are they not attracted to St. Mary's? Why do the people of Southampton feel no affinity with their home club?

Take a look at the sizable towns within a half hours drive of us and wonder why the youngsters from those towns, Salisbury, Andover, Basingstoke, Chichester, Dorchester, IOW etc etc are not following the Saints?
Is Saints doing enough to capture these kids at a young age to follow Saints all their lives like I have? I fear the answer has to be no.
The Echo only ever mentions us when it's derogatory or neg, Radio Solent, IOW radio etc need to used to push the name of Saints out. Wonder if a half hour programme on the telly BBC South maybe informing the local population of all things SAINTS might keep the club in their minds. Something needs to change to break through that ceiling - just not sure what.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BarnetSaint[/bold] wrote: Why in the hell can't we at least keep the likes of shaw until they're 21, he'll still be young enough to get his big money move later. And we get 3 more seasons. Very depressing to keep losing our young talent. £27M isn't great business in my view.[/p][/quote]That's why he was on a long contract. Freddie Kruger was saying how surprised he was that contracts seems to mean nothing in this country as he is accustomed to players and clubs honouring their contracts. He's right what is the point of a contract? Zero hours maybe and whoever turns up on a Saturday gets a game - this could all get very silly. I don't think 27m is particularly good business either especially for someone of his age and who we are led to believe is a "Unique talent". We can only imagine that the powers that be have a "Unique talent" lined up to replace - hopefully one who can defend better than Shaw does - and at a lower price too! Depressing sometimes doesn't cover it Barnet.[/p][/quote]Freddie surprised again by the goings on in the Prem? Remind me what are his qualifications and experience for this job?[/p][/quote]Don't know how the blame gets switched to KL - She and her family business have invested very heavily into Saints. I'm thankful for what her and her Dad, god bless him, have done for us. I hate being included under the label of a selling club too mate. It's all down to mathematics - work it out for yourself. Club A gets 50k plus on a home gate and has tens of millions worldwide purchasing their name, kit, souvenirs etc. Club B struggles to get 32k most games and few outside of a 30mile radius even know it exists. Worldwide sales are minimum 'cos no-one knows who they are or where they are. How does club B manage to keep snapping at the heels of club A? It sells players 'cos nobody is interested in buying their shirts. How can club B get closer to club A? Answer is it probably cannot unless the 32k who turn up can convince the board to build a 52k stadium and help to fill it - 20k empty seats do not make money. Saints need to expand their fan base within the Solent area to stand any chance at all. I was on the IOW ferry one Sat morning and all I saw were fans on the ferry. Unfortunately very few had Saints shirts on, there were shirts of various London clubs all travelling up to the smoke to spend their money. Why????? How many from the city of Southampton do not follow Saints - the M3 is full of cars heading elsewhere on a Saturday with people from the city going elsewhere to watch their team. Why are they not attracted to St. Mary's? Why do the people of Southampton feel no affinity with their home club? Take a look at the sizable towns within a half hours drive of us and wonder why the youngsters from those towns, Salisbury, Andover, Basingstoke, Chichester, Dorchester, IOW etc etc are not following the Saints? Is Saints doing enough to capture these kids at a young age to follow Saints all their lives like I have? I fear the answer has to be no. The Echo only ever mentions us when it's derogatory or neg, Radio Solent, IOW radio etc need to used to push the name of Saints out. Wonder if a half hour programme on the telly BBC South maybe informing the local population of all things SAINTS might keep the club in their minds. Something needs to change to break through that ceiling - just not sure what. jls217
  • Score: 1

9:06am Fri 27 Jun 14

Alicesdad says...

We need to move on. There has already been a hundred bibles worth of text written on this subject and its now time to get back to the basics of supporting the club.

Katharina's board need to show their mettle and get replacments for any gaps that are created by sales. Koeman needs to cultivate the team spirit and mould the new team tactically. . .and Les Reed needs to do whatever it is that he does.
We need to move on. There has already been a hundred bibles worth of text written on this subject and its now time to get back to the basics of supporting the club. Katharina's board need to show their mettle and get replacments for any gaps that are created by sales. Koeman needs to cultivate the team spirit and mould the new team tactically. . .and Les Reed needs to do whatever it is that he does. Alicesdad
  • Score: 1

9:09am Fri 27 Jun 14

jls217 says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
jls217 wrote:
BarnetSaint wrote:
Why in the hell can't we at least keep the likes of shaw until they're 21, he'll still be young enough to get his big money move later.
And we get 3 more seasons.
Very depressing to keep losing our young talent. £27M isn't great business in my view.
That's why he was on a long contract. Freddie Kruger was saying how surprised he was that contracts seems to mean nothing in this country as he is accustomed to players and clubs honouring their contracts. He's right what is the point of a contract? Zero hours maybe and whoever turns up on a Saturday gets a game - this could all get very silly. I don't think 27m is particularly good business either especially for someone of his age and who we are led to believe is a "Unique talent". We can only imagine that the powers that be have a "Unique talent" lined up to replace - hopefully one who can defend better than Shaw does - and at a lower price too!
Depressing sometimes doesn't cover it Barnet.
Freddie surprised again by the goings on in the Prem? Remind me what are his qualifications and experience for this job?
He is more qualified for the job than Cortese was when he took over and did anyone question his qualifications.
Two good counterpoints but it doesn't hide the fact that Freddie got the job and he's the best we have for the time being at least. All we can hope is that it's a post he can grow and adjust into and maybe bring some best practices from the world of ice hockey to us. No point raging about him. If he reallys is crap, he will, in time, hang himself. This isn't a business you can hide behind others in for any length of time.
More interested at the moment in who the current decision makers can bring in to soften the blow of Shaw leaving.
This is still going to be the best season ever!!!!
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BarnetSaint[/bold] wrote: Why in the hell can't we at least keep the likes of shaw until they're 21, he'll still be young enough to get his big money move later. And we get 3 more seasons. Very depressing to keep losing our young talent. £27M isn't great business in my view.[/p][/quote]That's why he was on a long contract. Freddie Kruger was saying how surprised he was that contracts seems to mean nothing in this country as he is accustomed to players and clubs honouring their contracts. He's right what is the point of a contract? Zero hours maybe and whoever turns up on a Saturday gets a game - this could all get very silly. I don't think 27m is particularly good business either especially for someone of his age and who we are led to believe is a "Unique talent". We can only imagine that the powers that be have a "Unique talent" lined up to replace - hopefully one who can defend better than Shaw does - and at a lower price too! Depressing sometimes doesn't cover it Barnet.[/p][/quote]Freddie surprised again by the goings on in the Prem? Remind me what are his qualifications and experience for this job?[/p][/quote]He is more qualified for the job than Cortese was when he took over and did anyone question his qualifications.[/p][/quote]Two good counterpoints but it doesn't hide the fact that Freddie got the job and he's the best we have for the time being at least. All we can hope is that it's a post he can grow and adjust into and maybe bring some best practices from the world of ice hockey to us. No point raging about him. If he reallys is crap, he will, in time, hang himself. This isn't a business you can hide behind others in for any length of time. More interested at the moment in who the current decision makers can bring in to soften the blow of Shaw leaving. This is still going to be the best season ever!!!! jls217
  • Score: 2

9:11am Fri 27 Jun 14

StHuey says...

Soton Saint wrote:
A lot of people seem to forget that we have the vest academy in the country and we are in a position where we have talent for all positions. Luke Shaw going for £30 plus million is going to be good business for us. Players will always leave us. But the key thing we all need to remember is we will now have money to spend on buying other players and identifying talent. After all we also have a top recruitment department that identifies players and managers. We had never heard of Pochettino when he came to is and where not that familiar to Adkins. This is just another part of the journey to getting in to the top end of the table and playing in Europe. We need to get behind RONALD and the Club. Keep following and Supporting! COYS!!
Are you employed by Southampton FC marketing department? Are we back to the bad old Lowe days where it's all about polishing the proverbial?
[quote][p][bold]Soton Saint[/bold] wrote: A lot of people seem to forget that we have the vest academy in the country and we are in a position where we have talent for all positions. Luke Shaw going for £30 plus million is going to be good business for us. Players will always leave us. But the key thing we all need to remember is we will now have money to spend on buying other players and identifying talent. After all we also have a top recruitment department that identifies players and managers. We had never heard of Pochettino when he came to is and where not that familiar to Adkins. This is just another part of the journey to getting in to the top end of the table and playing in Europe. We need to get behind RONALD and the Club. Keep following and Supporting! COYS!![/p][/quote]Are you employed by Southampton FC marketing department? Are we back to the bad old Lowe days where it's all about polishing the proverbial? StHuey
  • Score: -4

9:14am Fri 27 Jun 14

StHuey says...

Bazultra wrote:
Not a selling club my backside. Fans come last as always and another one bites the dust just like Walcott,Bale and the Ox. I wonder what player is next Chambers? Im not going anywhere says shaw I reiterate im happy here. Good riddance. I see exactly why the don is gone now as he refused point blank to sell anyone and through any enquiries in his bin. Thanks KL thanks very much!
I don't know why you are getting thumbs down. You are exactly right.
Whether anyone believes it or not, I hope they remember these views when it all turns out like that before our players kick a ball in the new season
[quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: Not a selling club my backside. Fans come last as always and another one bites the dust just like Walcott,Bale and the Ox. I wonder what player is next Chambers? Im not going anywhere says shaw I reiterate im happy here. Good riddance. I see exactly why the don is gone now as he refused point blank to sell anyone and through any enquiries in his bin. Thanks KL thanks very much![/p][/quote]I don't know why you are getting thumbs down. You are exactly right. Whether anyone believes it or not, I hope they remember these views when it all turns out like that before our players kick a ball in the new season StHuey
  • Score: -5

9:18am Fri 27 Jun 14

StHuey says...

Saint_rob wrote:
NewForestStu wrote:
Bazultra wrote:
Not a selling club my backside. Fans come last as always and another one bites the dust just like Walcott,Bale and the Ox. I wonder what player is next Chambers? Im not going anywhere says shaw I reiterate im happy here. Good riddance. I see exactly why the don is gone now as he refused point blank to sell anyone and through any enquiries in his bin. Thanks KL thanks very much!
I fully understand that sometimes its business and do think KL is not interested in destroying the good work that has gone on here unfortunately player power as always however i do think we have now created a problem re: Lovren, Lala and anyone else who wants out. As someone else said somewhere.....RK will have the final say.......did he really sanction this? I doubt that very much.

I hate to be half empty but will seriously think next year when ST renewals are up as we will never progress by continuing to flog our homegrown talent.
It's all a bit frustrating for Southampton fans, especially when you think
Of all the talent we have produced over the years. But if a player wants to go,
Then we have to cash in - at least we will be reinvesting this time!
Lowe would have put it in his pocket.
But until we are in the champions league we cannot match the high wages.
Reports of £100 k a week for Shaw, you just wouldn't turn that down.
Why do we have to cash in??? If a player is on a long contract, who cares what he wants?
Look at Suarez last season. It's not like Luke would have refused to play for us, damaging his reputation and value.
We should have said 'no'. Drawn it out. Not taken the first off ffs
[quote][p][bold]Saint_rob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NewForestStu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: Not a selling club my backside. Fans come last as always and another one bites the dust just like Walcott,Bale and the Ox. I wonder what player is next Chambers? Im not going anywhere says shaw I reiterate im happy here. Good riddance. I see exactly why the don is gone now as he refused point blank to sell anyone and through any enquiries in his bin. Thanks KL thanks very much![/p][/quote]I fully understand that sometimes its business and do think KL is not interested in destroying the good work that has gone on here unfortunately player power as always however i do think we have now created a problem re: Lovren, Lala and anyone else who wants out. As someone else said somewhere.....RK will have the final say.......did he really sanction this? I doubt that very much. I hate to be half empty but will seriously think next year when ST renewals are up as we will never progress by continuing to flog our homegrown talent.[/p][/quote]It's all a bit frustrating for Southampton fans, especially when you think Of all the talent we have produced over the years. But if a player wants to go, Then we have to cash in - at least we will be reinvesting this time! Lowe would have put it in his pocket. But until we are in the champions league we cannot match the high wages. Reports of £100 k a week for Shaw, you just wouldn't turn that down.[/p][/quote]Why do we have to cash in??? If a player is on a long contract, who cares what he wants? Look at Suarez last season. It's not like Luke would have refused to play for us, damaging his reputation and value. We should have said 'no'. Drawn it out. Not taken the first off ffs StHuey
  • Score: 0

9:19am Fri 27 Jun 14

Chapperall says...

As people have said yes this is a shame but he obviously wants to leave Saints for some reason so I personally will be glad when this deal is done and we can move on. He's good but there are some very good LBs out there just look at what has been on show at the World Cup! What must happen now is that the club must say that's it is it no more transfers as any more players going will rip the heart out of the team. We must hang on to Lallana and Lovren and the others that have been mentioned for transfers. This will still give over 30m to invest in the team and hopefully we can sell Osvaldo.
We have a manager who is used to the transfer market so let's trust him in refreshing and strengthening the team. Yes Shaw is good. It not the perfect product as I can remember him giving the ball away too easily. Remember he came in to replace Danny Fox who was a liability. Shaw is good but no Gareth Bale.
As people have said yes this is a shame but he obviously wants to leave Saints for some reason so I personally will be glad when this deal is done and we can move on. He's good but there are some very good LBs out there just look at what has been on show at the World Cup! What must happen now is that the club must say that's it is it no more transfers as any more players going will rip the heart out of the team. We must hang on to Lallana and Lovren and the others that have been mentioned for transfers. This will still give over 30m to invest in the team and hopefully we can sell Osvaldo. We have a manager who is used to the transfer market so let's trust him in refreshing and strengthening the team. Yes Shaw is good. It not the perfect product as I can remember him giving the ball away too easily. Remember he came in to replace Danny Fox who was a liability. Shaw is good but no Gareth Bale. Chapperall
  • Score: 0

9:27am Fri 27 Jun 14

THE12THMAN says...

jls217 wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
jls217 wrote:
BarnetSaint wrote:
Why in the hell can't we at least keep the likes of shaw until they're 21, he'll still be young enough to get his big money move later.
And we get 3 more seasons.
Very depressing to keep losing our young talent. £27M isn't great business in my view.
That's why he was on a long contract. Freddie Kruger was saying how surprised he was that contracts seems to mean nothing in this country as he is accustomed to players and clubs honouring their contracts. He's right what is the point of a contract? Zero hours maybe and whoever turns up on a Saturday gets a game - this could all get very silly. I don't think 27m is particularly good business either especially for someone of his age and who we are led to believe is a "Unique talent". We can only imagine that the powers that be have a "Unique talent" lined up to replace - hopefully one who can defend better than Shaw does - and at a lower price too!
Depressing sometimes doesn't cover it Barnet.
Freddie surprised again by the goings on in the Prem? Remind me what are his qualifications and experience for this job?
He is more qualified for the job than Cortese was when he took over and did anyone question his qualifications.
Two good counterpoints but it doesn't hide the fact that Freddie got the job and he's the best we have for the time being at least. All we can hope is that it's a post he can grow and adjust into and maybe bring some best practices from the world of ice hockey to us. No point raging about him. If he reallys is crap, he will, in time, hang himself. This isn't a business you can hide behind others in for any length of time.
More interested at the moment in who the current decision makers can bring in to soften the blow of Shaw leaving.
This is still going to be the best season ever!!!!
As much as the sale of Shaw does not make good news for saints fans I am afraid it is part of football, players come and go, some stay longer than others. The coming and going of players is what makes football exciting, not just the 90 minutes on the pitch every Saturday.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BarnetSaint[/bold] wrote: Why in the hell can't we at least keep the likes of shaw until they're 21, he'll still be young enough to get his big money move later. And we get 3 more seasons. Very depressing to keep losing our young talent. £27M isn't great business in my view.[/p][/quote]That's why he was on a long contract. Freddie Kruger was saying how surprised he was that contracts seems to mean nothing in this country as he is accustomed to players and clubs honouring their contracts. He's right what is the point of a contract? Zero hours maybe and whoever turns up on a Saturday gets a game - this could all get very silly. I don't think 27m is particularly good business either especially for someone of his age and who we are led to believe is a "Unique talent". We can only imagine that the powers that be have a "Unique talent" lined up to replace - hopefully one who can defend better than Shaw does - and at a lower price too! Depressing sometimes doesn't cover it Barnet.[/p][/quote]Freddie surprised again by the goings on in the Prem? Remind me what are his qualifications and experience for this job?[/p][/quote]He is more qualified for the job than Cortese was when he took over and did anyone question his qualifications.[/p][/quote]Two good counterpoints but it doesn't hide the fact that Freddie got the job and he's the best we have for the time being at least. All we can hope is that it's a post he can grow and adjust into and maybe bring some best practices from the world of ice hockey to us. No point raging about him. If he reallys is crap, he will, in time, hang himself. This isn't a business you can hide behind others in for any length of time. More interested at the moment in who the current decision makers can bring in to soften the blow of Shaw leaving. This is still going to be the best season ever!!!![/p][/quote]As much as the sale of Shaw does not make good news for saints fans I am afraid it is part of football, players come and go, some stay longer than others. The coming and going of players is what makes football exciting, not just the 90 minutes on the pitch every Saturday. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 2

9:29am Fri 27 Jun 14

jls217 says...

Stroppy_gramps wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Bazultra wrote:
Not a selling club my backside. Fans come last as always and another one bites the dust just like Walcott,Bale and the Ox. I wonder what player is next Chambers? Im not going anywhere says shaw I reiterate im happy here. Good riddance. I see exactly why the don is gone now as he refused point blank to sell anyone and through any enquiries in his bin. Thanks KL thanks very much!
Don't know how the blame gets switched to KL - She and her family business have invested very heavily into Saints. I'm thankful for what her and her Dad, god bless him, have done for us.

I hate being included under the label of a selling club too mate. It's all down to mathematics - work it out for yourself.

Club A gets 50k plus on a home gate and has tens of millions worldwide purchasing their name, kit, souvenirs etc.

Club B struggles to get 32k most games and few outside of a 30mile radius even know it exists. Worldwide sales are minimum 'cos no-one knows who they are or where they are. How does club B manage to keep snapping at the heels of club A? It sells players 'cos nobody is interested in buying their shirts.

How can club B get closer to club A? Answer is it probably cannot unless the 32k who turn up can convince the board to build a 52k stadium and help to fill it - 20k empty seats do not make money.

Saints need to expand their fan base within the Solent area to stand any chance at all. I was on the IOW ferry one Sat morning and all I saw were fans on the ferry. Unfortunately very few had Saints shirts on, there were shirts of various London clubs all travelling up to the smoke to spend their money. Why?????
How many from the city of Southampton do not follow Saints - the M3 is full of cars heading elsewhere on a Saturday with people from the city going elsewhere to watch their team. Why are they not attracted to St. Mary's? Why do the people of Southampton feel no affinity with their home club?

Take a look at the sizable towns within a half hours drive of us and wonder why the youngsters from those towns, Salisbury, Andover, Basingstoke, Chichester, Dorchester, IOW etc etc are not following the Saints?
Is Saints doing enough to capture these kids at a young age to follow Saints all their lives like I have? I fear the answer has to be no.
The Echo only ever mentions us when it's derogatory or neg, Radio Solent, IOW radio etc need to used to push the name of Saints out. Wonder if a half hour programme on the telly BBC South maybe informing the local population of all things SAINTS might keep the club in their minds. Something needs to change to break through that ceiling - just not sure what.
you were doing quite well until 'club B.... very few outside of a 30 mile radius even know it exists'

silly comment to make.
Do you mean in your opinion doing well? Are you the arbiter of who gets a thumbs up or down? In others opinion everything before club B might have been silly and all afterwards made sense.

It's a comparison to make a point - nothing more. Not specifically used to describe any club in particular so no point getting sniffy at it. It's quite high brow and deep really - it's called economics.

Not silly mate (IMHO) merely exaggeration to illustrate a point. I apologize if it any way offends you - but it is your choice to be offended or not, the beauty of living in what is still a relatively free country. I did not go out of my way to upset anyone with that illustration but if I have - so chuffing what!! And that also is the beauty of living in what is still a relatively free country.
[quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: Not a selling club my backside. Fans come last as always and another one bites the dust just like Walcott,Bale and the Ox. I wonder what player is next Chambers? Im not going anywhere says shaw I reiterate im happy here. Good riddance. I see exactly why the don is gone now as he refused point blank to sell anyone and through any enquiries in his bin. Thanks KL thanks very much![/p][/quote]Don't know how the blame gets switched to KL - She and her family business have invested very heavily into Saints. I'm thankful for what her and her Dad, god bless him, have done for us. I hate being included under the label of a selling club too mate. It's all down to mathematics - work it out for yourself. Club A gets 50k plus on a home gate and has tens of millions worldwide purchasing their name, kit, souvenirs etc. Club B struggles to get 32k most games and few outside of a 30mile radius even know it exists. Worldwide sales are minimum 'cos no-one knows who they are or where they are. How does club B manage to keep snapping at the heels of club A? It sells players 'cos nobody is interested in buying their shirts. How can club B get closer to club A? Answer is it probably cannot unless the 32k who turn up can convince the board to build a 52k stadium and help to fill it - 20k empty seats do not make money. Saints need to expand their fan base within the Solent area to stand any chance at all. I was on the IOW ferry one Sat morning and all I saw were fans on the ferry. Unfortunately very few had Saints shirts on, there were shirts of various London clubs all travelling up to the smoke to spend their money. Why????? How many from the city of Southampton do not follow Saints - the M3 is full of cars heading elsewhere on a Saturday with people from the city going elsewhere to watch their team. Why are they not attracted to St. Mary's? Why do the people of Southampton feel no affinity with their home club? Take a look at the sizable towns within a half hours drive of us and wonder why the youngsters from those towns, Salisbury, Andover, Basingstoke, Chichester, Dorchester, IOW etc etc are not following the Saints? Is Saints doing enough to capture these kids at a young age to follow Saints all their lives like I have? I fear the answer has to be no. The Echo only ever mentions us when it's derogatory or neg, Radio Solent, IOW radio etc need to used to push the name of Saints out. Wonder if a half hour programme on the telly BBC South maybe informing the local population of all things SAINTS might keep the club in their minds. Something needs to change to break through that ceiling - just not sure what.[/p][/quote]you were doing quite well until 'club B.... very few outside of a 30 mile radius even know it exists' silly comment to make.[/p][/quote]Do you mean in your opinion doing well? Are you the arbiter of who gets a thumbs up or down? In others opinion everything before club B might have been silly and all afterwards made sense. It's a comparison to make a point - nothing more. Not specifically used to describe any club in particular so no point getting sniffy at it. It's quite high brow and deep really - it's called economics. Not silly mate (IMHO) merely exaggeration to illustrate a point. I apologize if it any way offends you - but it is your choice to be offended or not, the beauty of living in what is still a relatively free country. I did not go out of my way to upset anyone with that illustration but if I have - so chuffing what!! And that also is the beauty of living in what is still a relatively free country. jls217
  • Score: 1

9:30am Fri 27 Jun 14

StHuey says...

jls217 wrote:
Bazultra wrote:
Not a selling club my backside. Fans come last as always and another one bites the dust just like Walcott,Bale and the Ox. I wonder what player is next Chambers? Im not going anywhere says shaw I reiterate im happy here. Good riddance. I see exactly why the don is gone now as he refused point blank to sell anyone and through any enquiries in his bin. Thanks KL thanks very much!
Don't know how the blame gets switched to KL - She and her family business have invested very heavily into Saints. I'm thankful for what her and her Dad, god bless him, have done for us.

I hate being included under the label of a selling club too mate. It's all down to mathematics - work it out for yourself.

Club A gets 50k plus on a home gate and has tens of millions worldwide purchasing their name, kit, souvenirs etc.

Club B struggles to get 32k most games and few outside of a 30mile radius even know it exists. Worldwide sales are minimum 'cos no-one knows who they are or where they are. How does club B manage to keep snapping at the heels of club A? It sells players 'cos nobody is interested in buying their shirts.

How can club B get closer to club A? Answer is it probably cannot unless the 32k who turn up can convince the board to build a 52k stadium and help to fill it - 20k empty seats do not make money.

Saints need to expand their fan base within the Solent area to stand any chance at all. I was on the IOW ferry one Sat morning and all I saw were fans on the ferry. Unfortunately very few had Saints shirts on, there were shirts of various London clubs all travelling up to the smoke to spend their money. Why?????
How many from the city of Southampton do not follow Saints - the M3 is full of cars heading elsewhere on a Saturday with people from the city going elsewhere to watch their team. Why are they not attracted to St. Mary's? Why do the people of Southampton feel no affinity with their home club?

Take a look at the sizable towns within a half hours drive of us and wonder why the youngsters from those towns, Salisbury, Andover, Basingstoke, Chichester, Dorchester, IOW etc etc are not following the Saints?
Is Saints doing enough to capture these kids at a young age to follow Saints all their lives like I have? I fear the answer has to be no.
The Echo only ever mentions us when it's derogatory or neg, Radio Solent, IOW radio etc need to used to push the name of Saints out. Wonder if a half hour programme on the telly BBC South maybe informing the local population of all things SAINTS might keep the club in their minds. Something needs to change to break through that ceiling - just not sure what.
What needs to change is that for one poxy season, we say no to the big club and try to get into the CL. Otherwise it will never change. That's how we get ourselves known, get more fans and grow the club. Everyone was talking about Saints, Shaw, Saints, Lallana, England, great academy etc. Now all we will hear is Man Uniteds Shaw or Liverpool 's Lambert/Lallana. The thing missing will be any talk of Saints. Profile gone
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: Not a selling club my backside. Fans come last as always and another one bites the dust just like Walcott,Bale and the Ox. I wonder what player is next Chambers? Im not going anywhere says shaw I reiterate im happy here. Good riddance. I see exactly why the don is gone now as he refused point blank to sell anyone and through any enquiries in his bin. Thanks KL thanks very much![/p][/quote]Don't know how the blame gets switched to KL - She and her family business have invested very heavily into Saints. I'm thankful for what her and her Dad, god bless him, have done for us. I hate being included under the label of a selling club too mate. It's all down to mathematics - work it out for yourself. Club A gets 50k plus on a home gate and has tens of millions worldwide purchasing their name, kit, souvenirs etc. Club B struggles to get 32k most games and few outside of a 30mile radius even know it exists. Worldwide sales are minimum 'cos no-one knows who they are or where they are. How does club B manage to keep snapping at the heels of club A? It sells players 'cos nobody is interested in buying their shirts. How can club B get closer to club A? Answer is it probably cannot unless the 32k who turn up can convince the board to build a 52k stadium and help to fill it - 20k empty seats do not make money. Saints need to expand their fan base within the Solent area to stand any chance at all. I was on the IOW ferry one Sat morning and all I saw were fans on the ferry. Unfortunately very few had Saints shirts on, there were shirts of various London clubs all travelling up to the smoke to spend their money. Why????? How many from the city of Southampton do not follow Saints - the M3 is full of cars heading elsewhere on a Saturday with people from the city going elsewhere to watch their team. Why are they not attracted to St. Mary's? Why do the people of Southampton feel no affinity with their home club? Take a look at the sizable towns within a half hours drive of us and wonder why the youngsters from those towns, Salisbury, Andover, Basingstoke, Chichester, Dorchester, IOW etc etc are not following the Saints? Is Saints doing enough to capture these kids at a young age to follow Saints all their lives like I have? I fear the answer has to be no. The Echo only ever mentions us when it's derogatory or neg, Radio Solent, IOW radio etc need to used to push the name of Saints out. Wonder if a half hour programme on the telly BBC South maybe informing the local population of all things SAINTS might keep the club in their minds. Something needs to change to break through that ceiling - just not sure what.[/p][/quote]What needs to change is that for one poxy season, we say no to the big club and try to get into the CL. Otherwise it will never change. That's how we get ourselves known, get more fans and grow the club. Everyone was talking about Saints, Shaw, Saints, Lallana, England, great academy etc. Now all we will hear is Man Uniteds Shaw or Liverpool 's Lambert/Lallana. The thing missing will be any talk of Saints. Profile gone StHuey
  • Score: 3

9:34am Fri 27 Jun 14

Simms1 says...

Rickie, Shaw and then Adam, Lovren, Morgan (?). That self satisfied twonk Les Reed hasn't even had the good sense to tie down Fonte and Cork before the fire sale started.

At least he had the good sense to wait until we had all bought our season tickets.......!
Rickie, Shaw and then Adam, Lovren, Morgan (?). That self satisfied twonk Les Reed hasn't even had the good sense to tie down Fonte and Cork before the fire sale started. At least he had the good sense to wait until we had all bought our season tickets.......! Simms1
  • Score: 0

9:34am Fri 27 Jun 14

jls217 says...

StHuey wrote:
Soton Saint wrote:
A lot of people seem to forget that we have the vest academy in the country and we are in a position where we have talent for all positions. Luke Shaw going for £30 plus million is going to be good business for us. Players will always leave us. But the key thing we all need to remember is we will now have money to spend on buying other players and identifying talent. After all we also have a top recruitment department that identifies players and managers. We had never heard of Pochettino when he came to is and where not that familiar to Adkins. This is just another part of the journey to getting in to the top end of the table and playing in Europe. We need to get behind RONALD and the Club. Keep following and Supporting! COYS!!
Are you employed by Southampton FC marketing department? Are we back to the bad old Lowe days where it's all about polishing the proverbial?
If NC were still here StHuey would be sacked for setting up a vest academy - what a crappy idea. ;-)
[quote][p][bold]StHuey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Soton Saint[/bold] wrote: A lot of people seem to forget that we have the vest academy in the country and we are in a position where we have talent for all positions. Luke Shaw going for £30 plus million is going to be good business for us. Players will always leave us. But the key thing we all need to remember is we will now have money to spend on buying other players and identifying talent. After all we also have a top recruitment department that identifies players and managers. We had never heard of Pochettino when he came to is and where not that familiar to Adkins. This is just another part of the journey to getting in to the top end of the table and playing in Europe. We need to get behind RONALD and the Club. Keep following and Supporting! COYS!![/p][/quote]Are you employed by Southampton FC marketing department? Are we back to the bad old Lowe days where it's all about polishing the proverbial?[/p][/quote]If NC were still here StHuey would be sacked for setting up a vest academy - what a crappy idea. ;-) jls217
  • Score: 2

9:37am Fri 27 Jun 14

jls217 says...

StHuey wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Bazultra wrote:
Not a selling club my backside. Fans come last as always and another one bites the dust just like Walcott,Bale and the Ox. I wonder what player is next Chambers? Im not going anywhere says shaw I reiterate im happy here. Good riddance. I see exactly why the don is gone now as he refused point blank to sell anyone and through any enquiries in his bin. Thanks KL thanks very much!
Don't know how the blame gets switched to KL - She and her family business have invested very heavily into Saints. I'm thankful for what her and her Dad, god bless him, have done for us.

I hate being included under the label of a selling club too mate. It's all down to mathematics - work it out for yourself.

Club A gets 50k plus on a home gate and has tens of millions worldwide purchasing their name, kit, souvenirs etc.

Club B struggles to get 32k most games and few outside of a 30mile radius even know it exists. Worldwide sales are minimum 'cos no-one knows who they are or where they are. How does club B manage to keep snapping at the heels of club A? It sells players 'cos nobody is interested in buying their shirts.

How can club B get closer to club A? Answer is it probably cannot unless the 32k who turn up can convince the board to build a 52k stadium and help to fill it - 20k empty seats do not make money.

Saints need to expand their fan base within the Solent area to stand any chance at all. I was on the IOW ferry one Sat morning and all I saw were fans on the ferry. Unfortunately very few had Saints shirts on, there were shirts of various London clubs all travelling up to the smoke to spend their money. Why?????
How many from the city of Southampton do not follow Saints - the M3 is full of cars heading elsewhere on a Saturday with people from the city going elsewhere to watch their team. Why are they not attracted to St. Mary's? Why do the people of Southampton feel no affinity with their home club?

Take a look at the sizable towns within a half hours drive of us and wonder why the youngsters from those towns, Salisbury, Andover, Basingstoke, Chichester, Dorchester, IOW etc etc are not following the Saints?
Is Saints doing enough to capture these kids at a young age to follow Saints all their lives like I have? I fear the answer has to be no.
The Echo only ever mentions us when it's derogatory or neg, Radio Solent, IOW radio etc need to used to push the name of Saints out. Wonder if a half hour programme on the telly BBC South maybe informing the local population of all things SAINTS might keep the club in their minds. Something needs to change to break through that ceiling - just not sure what.
What needs to change is that for one poxy season, we say no to the big club and try to get into the CL. Otherwise it will never change. That's how we get ourselves known, get more fans and grow the club. Everyone was talking about Saints, Shaw, Saints, Lallana, England, great academy etc. Now all we will hear is Man Uniteds Shaw or Liverpool 's Lambert/Lallana. The thing missing will be any talk of Saints. Profile gone
No arguments from me mate - that would have been as good a place as any to start the ball rolling.

Guess we have to wait and see what the new season with a new manager can brings us.

It's going to be a great season regardless.
[quote][p][bold]StHuey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: Not a selling club my backside. Fans come last as always and another one bites the dust just like Walcott,Bale and the Ox. I wonder what player is next Chambers? Im not going anywhere says shaw I reiterate im happy here. Good riddance. I see exactly why the don is gone now as he refused point blank to sell anyone and through any enquiries in his bin. Thanks KL thanks very much![/p][/quote]Don't know how the blame gets switched to KL - She and her family business have invested very heavily into Saints. I'm thankful for what her and her Dad, god bless him, have done for us. I hate being included under the label of a selling club too mate. It's all down to mathematics - work it out for yourself. Club A gets 50k plus on a home gate and has tens of millions worldwide purchasing their name, kit, souvenirs etc. Club B struggles to get 32k most games and few outside of a 30mile radius even know it exists. Worldwide sales are minimum 'cos no-one knows who they are or where they are. How does club B manage to keep snapping at the heels of club A? It sells players 'cos nobody is interested in buying their shirts. How can club B get closer to club A? Answer is it probably cannot unless the 32k who turn up can convince the board to build a 52k stadium and help to fill it - 20k empty seats do not make money. Saints need to expand their fan base within the Solent area to stand any chance at all. I was on the IOW ferry one Sat morning and all I saw were fans on the ferry. Unfortunately very few had Saints shirts on, there were shirts of various London clubs all travelling up to the smoke to spend their money. Why????? How many from the city of Southampton do not follow Saints - the M3 is full of cars heading elsewhere on a Saturday with people from the city going elsewhere to watch their team. Why are they not attracted to St. Mary's? Why do the people of Southampton feel no affinity with their home club? Take a look at the sizable towns within a half hours drive of us and wonder why the youngsters from those towns, Salisbury, Andover, Basingstoke, Chichester, Dorchester, IOW etc etc are not following the Saints? Is Saints doing enough to capture these kids at a young age to follow Saints all their lives like I have? I fear the answer has to be no. The Echo only ever mentions us when it's derogatory or neg, Radio Solent, IOW radio etc need to used to push the name of Saints out. Wonder if a half hour programme on the telly BBC South maybe informing the local population of all things SAINTS might keep the club in their minds. Something needs to change to break through that ceiling - just not sure what.[/p][/quote]What needs to change is that for one poxy season, we say no to the big club and try to get into the CL. Otherwise it will never change. That's how we get ourselves known, get more fans and grow the club. Everyone was talking about Saints, Shaw, Saints, Lallana, England, great academy etc. Now all we will hear is Man Uniteds Shaw or Liverpool 's Lambert/Lallana. The thing missing will be any talk of Saints. Profile gone[/p][/quote]No arguments from me mate - that would have been as good a place as any to start the ball rolling. Guess we have to wait and see what the new season with a new manager can brings us. It's going to be a great season regardless. jls217
  • Score: -1

9:48am Fri 27 Jun 14

Forest Saint says...

Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that
Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100 p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.
Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100 p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer. Forest Saint
  • Score: -3

9:56am Fri 27 Jun 14

Bazultra says...

I dont care about all the thumbs down at all im glad my views have got people stirred up. Fact of the matter is as much as I want to say COYR I am sick to my stomach. We were told WE ARE NOT A SELLING club then the next thing you know we lose the Chamb and Shaw who were the most potential players we had. All wake up and stop sugar coating the lies!!!
I dont care about all the thumbs down at all im glad my views have got people stirred up. Fact of the matter is as much as I want to say COYR I am sick to my stomach. We were told WE ARE NOT A SELLING club then the next thing you know we lose the Chamb and Shaw who were the most potential players we had. All wake up and stop sugar coating the lies!!! Bazultra
  • Score: 1

10:20am Fri 27 Jun 14

allsaintsnocurves says...

In the end is it worth Saints having £100m to spend if we can't buy any top players with it that will improve us more than last season?

At some point we have to convince our Academy players that we are developing them not for other clubs but for the Saints first team and to be successful with that team.

I am now firmly on Stuart Pearce's side in the argument of the England U21s. Too many players are promoted into the first team with England before they are ready. Before they have had any tournament experience. I know Shaw played one game for England but England were already eliminated. The England team wants help from clubs like Southampton so what it needs to do is help clubs like Southampton keep hold of their young players by not putting them in the first team too early!
In the end is it worth Saints having £100m to spend if we can't buy any top players with it that will improve us more than last season? At some point we have to convince our Academy players that we are developing them not for other clubs but for the Saints first team and to be successful with that team. I am now firmly on Stuart Pearce's side in the argument of the England U21s. Too many players are promoted into the first team with England before they are ready. Before they have had any tournament experience. I know Shaw played one game for England but England were already eliminated. The England team wants help from clubs like Southampton so what it needs to do is help clubs like Southampton keep hold of their young players by not putting them in the first team too early! allsaintsnocurves
  • Score: 0

10:28am Fri 27 Jun 14

Dave Juson says...

Bazultra wrote:
I dont care about all the thumbs down at all im glad my views have got people stirred up. Fact of the matter is as much as I want to say COYR I am sick to my stomach. We were told WE ARE NOT A SELLING club then the next thing you know we lose the Chamb and Shaw who were the most potential players we had. All wake up and stop sugar coating the lies!!!
Who told you Southampton is "NOT A SELLING CLUB"?
I cannot believe anyone presently at St Mary's would have been stupid enough to say that as policy statement.
Being a pedant I will require dates as well as publications and, preferably, a URL.
All football clubs are "selling clubs". Name me one exception?
[quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: I dont care about all the thumbs down at all im glad my views have got people stirred up. Fact of the matter is as much as I want to say COYR I am sick to my stomach. We were told WE ARE NOT A SELLING club then the next thing you know we lose the Chamb and Shaw who were the most potential players we had. All wake up and stop sugar coating the lies!!![/p][/quote]Who told you Southampton is "NOT A SELLING CLUB"? I cannot believe anyone presently at St Mary's would have been stupid enough to say that as policy statement. Being a pedant I will require dates as well as publications and, preferably, a URL. All football clubs are "selling clubs". Name me one exception? Dave Juson
  • Score: 3

10:38am Fri 27 Jun 14

SaintJD says...

I see the sudden flood of (very) 'occasional' posters have surfaced today - welcome.

Personally, while I'm very much against us selling our best players I'd have been highly disappointed if this deal hadn't gone through.

Fact is that Luke Shaw is clearly destined to move on from the Saints at some point in the near future. While I'd have liked to keep him for longer I think there is a right time to sell for the best possible price and that time is now.

Yes, we may have an exceptional season this year, but players can dip in form, get injured etc. Luke's stock is as high as it is is likely to get IMO and £30 million for a left back is exceptionally good business.

Yes he could go for more in future, but I think we have to face the fact that he won't go for me from OUR CLUB. Yes, if he stars for Man United and England his price will go up, but if your club is less high profile the price will reach a ceiling. I believe this is great business for the club.

However, if we sell anyone else from the Spider, Lovren, Lallana category I will be very disappointed and angry.

Hopefully this sale means we won't have to do that and gives us leverage to tell them they are going nowhere.
I see the sudden flood of (very) 'occasional' posters have surfaced today - welcome. Personally, while I'm very much against us selling our best players I'd have been highly disappointed if this deal hadn't gone through. Fact is that Luke Shaw is clearly destined to move on from the Saints at some point in the near future. While I'd have liked to keep him for longer I think there is a right time to sell for the best possible price and that time is now. Yes, we may have an exceptional season this year, but players can dip in form, get injured etc. Luke's stock is as high as it is is likely to get IMO and £30 million for a left back is exceptionally good business. Yes he could go for more in future, but I think we have to face the fact that he won't go for me from OUR CLUB. Yes, if he stars for Man United and England his price will go up, but if your club is less high profile the price will reach a ceiling. I believe this is great business for the club. However, if we sell anyone else from the Spider, Lovren, Lallana category I will be very disappointed and angry. Hopefully this sale means we won't have to do that and gives us leverage to tell them they are going nowhere. SaintJD
  • Score: 1

10:41am Fri 27 Jun 14

Chapperall says...

Come on guys even the really big clubs sell their players if they get an offer they can't refuse! As I said earlier I think the Shaw transfer is good business but enough a enough no more transfers please. Let's talk about transfers into the club not out.
Come on guys even the really big clubs sell their players if they get an offer they can't refuse! As I said earlier I think the Shaw transfer is good business but enough a enough no more transfers please. Let's talk about transfers into the club not out. Chapperall
  • Score: 1

10:42am Fri 27 Jun 14

Hardy Boy Saint says...

As has been said before, we need players who want to be at Saints and are prepared to burst their hearts working for the team. It is disappointing that these players don't fall into that category, but I for one don't want to see a player who's disinterested and simply going through the motions. Let's ship them out, for the best fee possible (up front!!) and let's get some quality in while our stock is still pretty high.
The Swedish international Martin Olsson, who's at Norwich, could be a good replacement for left back. Scandinavian defenders have been pretty good for us in the past!!
As has been said before, we need players who want to be at Saints and are prepared to burst their hearts working for the team. It is disappointing that these players don't fall into that category, but I for one don't want to see a player who's disinterested and simply going through the motions. Let's ship them out, for the best fee possible (up front!!) and let's get some quality in while our stock is still pretty high. The Swedish international Martin Olsson, who's at Norwich, could be a good replacement for left back. Scandinavian defenders have been pretty good for us in the past!! Hardy Boy Saint
  • Score: 0

10:44am Fri 27 Jun 14

SaintJD says...

allsaintsnocurves wrote:
In the end is it worth Saints having £100m to spend if we can't buy any top players with it that will improve us more than last season?

At some point we have to convince our Academy players that we are developing them not for other clubs but for the Saints first team and to be successful with that team.

I am now firmly on Stuart Pearce's side in the argument of the England U21s. Too many players are promoted into the first team with England before they are ready. Before they have had any tournament experience. I know Shaw played one game for England but England were already eliminated. The England team wants help from clubs like Southampton so what it needs to do is help clubs like Southampton keep hold of their young players by not putting them in the first team too early!
I think the opposite. Put them in the first team early - just don't make it clear that you'd give them preferential treatment and give them a better chance of a regular place if they were playing for Liverpool, Man Utd reserves.

Instead Roy has made it quite clear he wants to see them graduate to playing Champions League Football (from the bench).

For me, that's a strange concept of development, but there you go.

My solution is play the Saints lads and tell them to keep their heads down and concentrate on playing and enjoying their football (rather than giving them extra flexibility in case they want to drive through deals to join other clubs).
[quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: In the end is it worth Saints having £100m to spend if we can't buy any top players with it that will improve us more than last season? At some point we have to convince our Academy players that we are developing them not for other clubs but for the Saints first team and to be successful with that team. I am now firmly on Stuart Pearce's side in the argument of the England U21s. Too many players are promoted into the first team with England before they are ready. Before they have had any tournament experience. I know Shaw played one game for England but England were already eliminated. The England team wants help from clubs like Southampton so what it needs to do is help clubs like Southampton keep hold of their young players by not putting them in the first team too early![/p][/quote]I think the opposite. Put them in the first team early - just don't make it clear that you'd give them preferential treatment and give them a better chance of a regular place if they were playing for Liverpool, Man Utd reserves. Instead Roy has made it quite clear he wants to see them graduate to playing Champions League Football (from the bench). For me, that's a strange concept of development, but there you go. My solution is play the Saints lads and tell them to keep their heads down and concentrate on playing and enjoying their football (rather than giving them extra flexibility in case they want to drive through deals to join other clubs). SaintJD
  • Score: 0

10:46am Fri 27 Jun 14

SaintAsh1964 says...

Some really stupid comments on here from fans not understanding the position the club is in;
1) It wasnt Cortese's money.
2) We are miles away from the Champions League due to so many different factors.
3) We have to act within FFP
4) Every club is a selling club
5) We are a business
6) We have the best Academy in England which will allow us to grow as a team over time and become stronger enabling us to compete at a higher level.
7) MoPo was tactically flawed as Spurs will find out this season
8) The new Management team must be given time to get their ideas across.
9) Wait and see who the club brings in before slating any signings
10) Keep the faith !
Peace to you all COYS
Some really stupid comments on here from fans not understanding the position the club is in; 1) It wasnt Cortese's money. 2) We are miles away from the Champions League due to so many different factors. 3) We have to act within FFP 4) Every club is a selling club 5) We are a business 6) We have the best Academy in England which will allow us to grow as a team over time and become stronger enabling us to compete at a higher level. 7) MoPo was tactically flawed as Spurs will find out this season 8) The new Management team must be given time to get their ideas across. 9) Wait and see who the club brings in before slating any signings 10) Keep the faith ! Peace to you all COYS SaintAsh1964
  • Score: 2

10:56am Fri 27 Jun 14

THE12THMAN says...

Forest Saint wrote:
Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that
Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100 p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.
Wasn't Poch a foreign coach who new nothing about our players then, who went out and wasted £15 million on a useless Italian nutter.
[quote][p][bold]Forest Saint[/bold] wrote: Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100 p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.[/p][/quote]Wasn't Poch a foreign coach who new nothing about our players then, who went out and wasted £15 million on a useless Italian nutter. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 3

11:21am Fri 27 Jun 14

lowe esteem says...

There are many people reading this who are Saints fans, may not go regularly, may not have season-tickets but would go if the club made policy clearer and prices more competitive. Our fan base is huge, but is not being resourced properly.
That mechanical, no reason 2% increase that most of you defended quite recently looks a bit cynical now, doesn't it?
Just saying.
There are many people reading this who are Saints fans, may not go regularly, may not have season-tickets but would go if the club made policy clearer and prices more competitive. Our fan base is huge, but is not being resourced properly. That mechanical, no reason 2% increase that most of you defended quite recently looks a bit cynical now, doesn't it? Just saying. lowe esteem
  • Score: 0

11:30am Fri 27 Jun 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
Forest Saint wrote:
Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that
Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100 p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.
Wasn't Poch a foreign coach who new nothing about our players then, who went out and wasted £15 million on a useless Italian nutter.
right so you believe reports that Koeman was asking for £40mill? why are those reports correct? who at the club has issued a statement on any price or any player?
you also believe the low figure of £27mill yet there are varying reports from different sources most of which are in the £30mill+ region why is the £27mill report correct?
"We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert". well if its the same Pelle who Koeman managed at Feyenoord well he is Italian and you might find that he is the "yet another Italian" you mention. he isn't the Pele who promotes the `droopy d1ck` tablets!
as THE12THMAN said, how much did MP know about our players when he joined.
NC was selling Rickie for £10mill? yet more press speculation about a price, we don't know what the fee might have been.
why should we buy ings? is it because hes a Southampton lad. is that what we actually want then. young English players who come from the area.
as for the `overseas has-been mercenaries`, wouldn't you call luke a mercenary? hes young English and comes from not that far away, yet at the first sign of any interest from `big` club hes off, that's the act of a mercenary in my book.
I`m gutted luke looks like leaving and think we should just have said no.
`we don't want players who don't want to be here` well what player wouldn't leave if they were offered a huge pay rise at a `big` club?
`if he wants to go let him`, well what if the whole squad suddenly decided they wanted to go?
`you cant keep players who want out`, well diverpool did well to keep suarez last season and despite his latest player lunch his value has gone up from £40mill last summer to £70-80mill this summer, and he didn't have too bad a season did he. 31 prem goals and he missed the first 6 games through suspension. I`m not saying lukes value would double but I doubt it drop at all and would probably go up.
luke is never going to be the `next` bale so theres no point comparing them. luke is a lot better defender than bale ever was and I believe he will stay a left back.
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Saint[/bold] wrote: Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100 p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.[/p][/quote]Wasn't Poch a foreign coach who new nothing about our players then, who went out and wasted £15 million on a useless Italian nutter.[/p][/quote]right so you believe reports that Koeman was asking for £40mill? why are those reports correct? who at the club has issued a statement on any price or any player? you also believe the low figure of £27mill yet there are varying reports from different sources most of which are in the £30mill+ region why is the £27mill report correct? "We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert". well if its the same Pelle who Koeman managed at Feyenoord well he is Italian and you might find that he is the "yet another Italian" you mention. he isn't the Pele who promotes the `droopy d1ck` tablets! as THE12THMAN said, how much did MP know about our players when he joined. NC was selling Rickie for £10mill? yet more press speculation about a price, we don't know what the fee might have been. why should we buy ings? is it because hes a Southampton lad. is that what we actually want then. young English players who come from the area. as for the `overseas has-been mercenaries`, wouldn't you call luke a mercenary? hes young English and comes from not that far away, yet at the first sign of any interest from `big` club hes off, that's the act of a mercenary in my book. I`m gutted luke looks like leaving and think we should just have said no. `we don't want players who don't want to be here` well what player wouldn't leave if they were offered a huge pay rise at a `big` club? `if he wants to go let him`, well what if the whole squad suddenly decided they wanted to go? `you cant keep players who want out`, well diverpool did well to keep suarez last season and despite his latest player lunch his value has gone up from £40mill last summer to £70-80mill this summer, and he didn't have too bad a season did he. 31 prem goals and he missed the first 6 games through suspension. I`m not saying lukes value would double but I doubt it drop at all and would probably go up. luke is never going to be the `next` bale so theres no point comparing them. luke is a lot better defender than bale ever was and I believe he will stay a left back. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 3

12:39pm Fri 27 Jun 14

steekeemcglue says...

lowe esteem wrote:
There are many people reading this who are Saints fans, may not go regularly, may not have season-tickets but would go if the club made policy clearer and prices more competitive. Our fan base is huge, but is not being resourced properly.
That mechanical, no reason 2% increase that most of you defended quite recently looks a bit cynical now, doesn't it?
Just saying.
I know LOADS of people holding off a season ticket,,, half won't bother. I also know of corporates holding off.... BUT Koeman has only just arrived so patience in the name of the game....
[quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: There are many people reading this who are Saints fans, may not go regularly, may not have season-tickets but would go if the club made policy clearer and prices more competitive. Our fan base is huge, but is not being resourced properly. That mechanical, no reason 2% increase that most of you defended quite recently looks a bit cynical now, doesn't it? Just saying.[/p][/quote]I know LOADS of people holding off a season ticket,,, half won't bother. I also know of corporates holding off.... BUT Koeman has only just arrived so patience in the name of the game.... steekeemcglue
  • Score: -1

1:12pm Fri 27 Jun 14

SaintJD says...

Hardy Boy Saint wrote:
As has been said before, we need players who want to be at Saints and are prepared to burst their hearts working for the team. It is disappointing that these players don't fall into that category, but I for one don't want to see a player who's disinterested and simply going through the motions. Let's ship them out, for the best fee possible (up front!!) and let's get some quality in while our stock is still pretty high.
The Swedish international Martin Olsson, who's at Norwich, could be a good replacement for left back. Scandinavian defenders have been pretty good for us in the past!!
Mmmm, not all of them. Forren wasn't that good was he? Or Jesus Ostlund, or what was the name of the other right back Sturrock signed? Neilson. All were pretty much out of their depth. That said, there have been some good ones too.

Out of interest, I'm slightly surprised no big clubs are linked with Vlar at Villa - surely he could do considerably better.
[quote][p][bold]Hardy Boy Saint[/bold] wrote: As has been said before, we need players who want to be at Saints and are prepared to burst their hearts working for the team. It is disappointing that these players don't fall into that category, but I for one don't want to see a player who's disinterested and simply going through the motions. Let's ship them out, for the best fee possible (up front!!) and let's get some quality in while our stock is still pretty high. The Swedish international Martin Olsson, who's at Norwich, could be a good replacement for left back. Scandinavian defenders have been pretty good for us in the past!![/p][/quote]Mmmm, not all of them. Forren wasn't that good was he? Or Jesus Ostlund, or what was the name of the other right back Sturrock signed? Neilson. All were pretty much out of their depth. That said, there have been some good ones too. Out of interest, I'm slightly surprised no big clubs are linked with Vlar at Villa - surely he could do considerably better. SaintJD
  • Score: 0

1:13pm Fri 27 Jun 14

stfrancisofbenali says...

Thankyounicola wrote:
one of the most eye catching talent lost. Poor deal. Should not sold for less than £45-50 million. If Martinez can say that he would not sell Ross Barkley for even £40 million how can we sell a younger player for even less. With all the add ons there who knows how much cash is being paid upfront. In 5 yrs time everybody will realise how poor a deal this was.
Shaw is defender and Barkley is an attacking midfielder. Forwards always command a higher premium than defenders so you can't compare them like for like.
[quote][p][bold]Thankyounicola[/bold] wrote: one of the most eye catching talent lost. Poor deal. Should not sold for less than £45-50 million. If Martinez can say that he would not sell Ross Barkley for even £40 million how can we sell a younger player for even less. With all the add ons there who knows how much cash is being paid upfront. In 5 yrs time everybody will realise how poor a deal this was.[/p][/quote]Shaw is defender and Barkley is an attacking midfielder. Forwards always command a higher premium than defenders so you can't compare them like for like. stfrancisofbenali
  • Score: 0

1:16pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Les Miserables says...

From the players point of view he will literally quadruple his wages, from the clubs point of view 30 million for a left back is amazing business particularly given the fact that the Academy conveyor belt has a ready made replacement very nearly ready (Matt Targett) who actually looks like an even better prospect and it appears that RK has already lined up a quality immediate replacement for 6 mill .

Yes loyalty would have been nice but in all seriousness if someone offered any of us a new job at 4 times our current salary how many would actually say no?

I have faith in RK and have no doubt that the rest of the fee will be spent wisely - 24 mill buys some pretty serious players.
From the players point of view he will literally quadruple his wages, from the clubs point of view 30 million for a left back is amazing business particularly given the fact that the Academy conveyor belt has a ready made replacement very nearly ready (Matt Targett) who actually looks like an even better prospect and it appears that RK has already lined up a quality immediate replacement for 6 mill . Yes loyalty would have been nice but in all seriousness if someone offered any of us a new job at 4 times our current salary how many would actually say no? I have faith in RK and have no doubt that the rest of the fee will be spent wisely - 24 mill buys some pretty serious players. Les Miserables
  • Score: 0

1:25pm Fri 27 Jun 14

THE12THMAN says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Forest Saint wrote:
Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that
Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100 p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.
Wasn't Poch a foreign coach who new nothing about our players then, who went out and wasted £15 million on a useless Italian nutter.
right so you believe reports that Koeman was asking for £40mill? why are those reports correct? who at the club has issued a statement on any price or any player?
you also believe the low figure of £27mill yet there are varying reports from different sources most of which are in the £30mill+ region why is the £27mill report correct?
"We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert". well if its the same Pelle who Koeman managed at Feyenoord well he is Italian and you might find that he is the "yet another Italian" you mention. he isn't the Pele who promotes the `droopy d1ck` tablets!
as THE12THMAN said, how much did MP know about our players when he joined.
NC was selling Rickie for £10mill? yet more press speculation about a price, we don't know what the fee might have been.
why should we buy ings? is it because hes a Southampton lad. is that what we actually want then. young English players who come from the area.
as for the `overseas has-been mercenaries`, wouldn't you call luke a mercenary? hes young English and comes from not that far away, yet at the first sign of any interest from `big` club hes off, that's the act of a mercenary in my book.
I`m gutted luke looks like leaving and think we should just have said no.
`we don't want players who don't want to be here` well what player wouldn't leave if they were offered a huge pay rise at a `big` club?
`if he wants to go let him`, well what if the whole squad suddenly decided they wanted to go?
`you cant keep players who want out`, well diverpool did well to keep suarez last season and despite his latest player lunch his value has gone up from £40mill last summer to £70-80mill this summer, and he didn't have too bad a season did he. 31 prem goals and he missed the first 6 games through suspension. I`m not saying lukes value would double but I doubt it drop at all and would probably go up.
luke is never going to be the `next` bale so theres no point comparing them. luke is a lot better defender than bale ever was and I believe he will stay a left back.
I don't believe any reports about the fee saints got for Shaw, I never mentioned anything about fees. I SAID WASN'T POCH A FOREIGN COACH WHO KNEW NOTHING ABOUT OUR PLAYERS THEN,WHO WENT OUT AND WASTED £15 MILLION ON AN ITALIAN NUTTER.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Saint[/bold] wrote: Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100 p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.[/p][/quote]Wasn't Poch a foreign coach who new nothing about our players then, who went out and wasted £15 million on a useless Italian nutter.[/p][/quote]right so you believe reports that Koeman was asking for £40mill? why are those reports correct? who at the club has issued a statement on any price or any player? you also believe the low figure of £27mill yet there are varying reports from different sources most of which are in the £30mill+ region why is the £27mill report correct? "We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert". well if its the same Pelle who Koeman managed at Feyenoord well he is Italian and you might find that he is the "yet another Italian" you mention. he isn't the Pele who promotes the `droopy d1ck` tablets! as THE12THMAN said, how much did MP know about our players when he joined. NC was selling Rickie for £10mill? yet more press speculation about a price, we don't know what the fee might have been. why should we buy ings? is it because hes a Southampton lad. is that what we actually want then. young English players who come from the area. as for the `overseas has-been mercenaries`, wouldn't you call luke a mercenary? hes young English and comes from not that far away, yet at the first sign of any interest from `big` club hes off, that's the act of a mercenary in my book. I`m gutted luke looks like leaving and think we should just have said no. `we don't want players who don't want to be here` well what player wouldn't leave if they were offered a huge pay rise at a `big` club? `if he wants to go let him`, well what if the whole squad suddenly decided they wanted to go? `you cant keep players who want out`, well diverpool did well to keep suarez last season and despite his latest player lunch his value has gone up from £40mill last summer to £70-80mill this summer, and he didn't have too bad a season did he. 31 prem goals and he missed the first 6 games through suspension. I`m not saying lukes value would double but I doubt it drop at all and would probably go up. luke is never going to be the `next` bale so theres no point comparing them. luke is a lot better defender than bale ever was and I believe he will stay a left back.[/p][/quote]I don't believe any reports about the fee saints got for Shaw, I never mentioned anything about fees. I SAID WASN'T POCH A FOREIGN COACH WHO KNEW NOTHING ABOUT OUR PLAYERS THEN,WHO WENT OUT AND WASTED £15 MILLION ON AN ITALIAN NUTTER. THE12THMAN
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1:25pm Fri 27 Jun 14

SaintJD says...

lowe esteem wrote:
There are many people reading this who are Saints fans, may not go regularly, may not have season-tickets but would go if the club made policy clearer and prices more competitive. Our fan base is huge, but is not being resourced properly.
That mechanical, no reason 2% increase that most of you defended quite recently looks a bit cynical now, doesn't it?
Just saying.
2% increase sounds pretty much like an inflationary rise to me. But you're right, pricing is pushing people away, particularly in tough financial times and with such good TV coverage and such a mass of different things to do.

We've just come off our best season for years but couldn't fill the ground.

The message that sends to the board is - we can plough as much money into this squad as possible to buy success, but the crowd will remain roughly the same as if we were performing averagely, so what's the point?

Our catchment area is massive, but in the South people have a lot of alternatives, so the only way we could fill the ground and have to expand it would be to do something ground breaking and radical.

That would be to chop prices virtually in half and focus on big discounts for kids and students etc.

It would also potentially require that, in the first instance, money that would have gone on transfers and wages would go towards making football cheaper for the general public.

With our youth set up we could be pioneers in this area, but whether fans would have the patience is another thing, because clearly if you cut playing budget performances may be average for a few years.

Balance would be doing this while doing well enough to stay in the Premier League, then, when we are filling the ground and even expanding it, maybe the revenue returns and we can build the squad back up.
[quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: There are many people reading this who are Saints fans, may not go regularly, may not have season-tickets but would go if the club made policy clearer and prices more competitive. Our fan base is huge, but is not being resourced properly. That mechanical, no reason 2% increase that most of you defended quite recently looks a bit cynical now, doesn't it? Just saying.[/p][/quote]2% increase sounds pretty much like an inflationary rise to me. But you're right, pricing is pushing people away, particularly in tough financial times and with such good TV coverage and such a mass of different things to do. We've just come off our best season for years but couldn't fill the ground. The message that sends to the board is - we can plough as much money into this squad as possible to buy success, but the crowd will remain roughly the same as if we were performing averagely, so what's the point? Our catchment area is massive, but in the South people have a lot of alternatives, so the only way we could fill the ground and have to expand it would be to do something ground breaking and radical. That would be to chop prices virtually in half and focus on big discounts for kids and students etc. It would also potentially require that, in the first instance, money that would have gone on transfers and wages would go towards making football cheaper for the general public. With our youth set up we could be pioneers in this area, but whether fans would have the patience is another thing, because clearly if you cut playing budget performances may be average for a few years. Balance would be doing this while doing well enough to stay in the Premier League, then, when we are filling the ground and even expanding it, maybe the revenue returns and we can build the squad back up. SaintJD
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1:49pm Fri 27 Jun 14

pitbull says...

When you actually think about it, the Saints have or will do a great bit of business in regards to Shaw.
I'm sure someone can come up with some statistics but Shaw has never scored a goal, his assist rate is next to nothing, his attempts at goal is pretty low and he was part of a defence that lost the most points from winning positions in the entire league.
I think all the press hype has inflated his price quite a bit. If we replaced him with a £10-12m left back I think it's a good move.
And lets not forget, Bale, Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlin, Bridge all went for good money and their careers didn't exactly get off to a flying start at their new clubs.

No Saints player is that good we're not able to replace them. That includes Rickie, Adam, Dejan and Luke.

In reality, last season was good, but it could have been so much better. The fact that we lost too many points from winning positions, the poor exit of the FA cup, the many individual errors that cost goals, the poor distribution from Boruc, the lack of goals from midfielders. There's so much to improve upon, hopefully Ronald Koeman will sort it out, get in some quality players and we can give the top 6 or 7 a run for their money.

Wouldn't it be great to finish above the likes of Spurs, Man Utd and Liverpool next season. It's not impossible.
When you actually think about it, the Saints have or will do a great bit of business in regards to Shaw. I'm sure someone can come up with some statistics but Shaw has never scored a goal, his assist rate is next to nothing, his attempts at goal is pretty low and he was part of a defence that lost the most points from winning positions in the entire league. I think all the press hype has inflated his price quite a bit. If we replaced him with a £10-12m left back I think it's a good move. And lets not forget, Bale, Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlin, Bridge all went for good money and their careers didn't exactly get off to a flying start at their new clubs. No Saints player is that good we're not able to replace them. That includes Rickie, Adam, Dejan and Luke. In reality, last season was good, but it could have been so much better. The fact that we lost too many points from winning positions, the poor exit of the FA cup, the many individual errors that cost goals, the poor distribution from Boruc, the lack of goals from midfielders. There's so much to improve upon, hopefully Ronald Koeman will sort it out, get in some quality players and we can give the top 6 or 7 a run for their money. Wouldn't it be great to finish above the likes of Spurs, Man Utd and Liverpool next season. It's not impossible. pitbull
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1:49pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Ozmosis says...

Deal is confirmed
Deal is confirmed Ozmosis
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2:33pm Fri 27 Jun 14

deepheat says...

It's swings and roundabouts innit.

Man U gazumped us on left back and total flop Alex Buttner and looking back Alex Ferguson done us a big favour . Because of that Luke Shaw got his chance earlier than expected and two seasons later is worth £30million.

English players are way too expensive when you consider what we could get for a lot less money.

We could snap up a player like Holland/Ajax left back Daley Blind for around £10million which is what Liverpooooooh offered. Porto are willing to pay £6.5million for Bruno Martins Indi of Feyenoord/Holland and Arsenal were after Daryl Janmaat of Feyenoord/Holland for £5million.

LVG doesn't have a monopoly on the best Dutch players.
Big Ron has connections to all these players as well and I am sure he is negotiating something that will get true Saints fans excited about even as I type.
It's swings and roundabouts innit. Man U gazumped us on left back and total flop Alex Buttner and looking back Alex Ferguson done us a big favour . Because of that Luke Shaw got his chance earlier than expected and two seasons later is worth £30million. English players are way too expensive when you consider what we could get for a lot less money. We could snap up a player like Holland/Ajax left back Daley Blind for around £10million which is what Liverpooooooh offered. Porto are willing to pay £6.5million for Bruno Martins Indi of Feyenoord/Holland and Arsenal were after Daryl Janmaat of Feyenoord/Holland for £5million. LVG doesn't have a monopoly on the best Dutch players. Big Ron has connections to all these players as well and I am sure he is negotiating something that will get true Saints fans excited about even as I type. deepheat
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2:57pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Beer Monster says...

SaintJD wrote:
I see the sudden flood of (very) 'occasional' posters have surfaced today - welcome.

Personally, while I'm very much against us selling our best players I'd have been highly disappointed if this deal hadn't gone through.

Fact is that Luke Shaw is clearly destined to move on from the Saints at some point in the near future. While I'd have liked to keep him for longer I think there is a right time to sell for the best possible price and that time is now.

Yes, we may have an exceptional season this year, but players can dip in form, get injured etc. Luke's stock is as high as it is is likely to get IMO and £30 million for a left back is exceptionally good business.

Yes he could go for more in future, but I think we have to face the fact that he won't go for me from OUR CLUB. Yes, if he stars for Man United and England his price will go up, but if your club is less high profile the price will reach a ceiling. I believe this is great business for the club.

However, if we sell anyone else from the Spider, Lovren, Lallana category I will be very disappointed and angry.

Hopefully this sale means we won't have to do that and gives us leverage to tell them they are going nowhere.
Sensible post JD - can't argue with any of that. Shaw was going whether we liked it or not, and we've capitalised on this fact. We had the same situation with Walcott. Hopefully the sell on clause will be substantial enough so that we're quids in when he goes to Chelski.

Wonder how many threesomes are in his contract?
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: I see the sudden flood of (very) 'occasional' posters have surfaced today - welcome. Personally, while I'm very much against us selling our best players I'd have been highly disappointed if this deal hadn't gone through. Fact is that Luke Shaw is clearly destined to move on from the Saints at some point in the near future. While I'd have liked to keep him for longer I think there is a right time to sell for the best possible price and that time is now. Yes, we may have an exceptional season this year, but players can dip in form, get injured etc. Luke's stock is as high as it is is likely to get IMO and £30 million for a left back is exceptionally good business. Yes he could go for more in future, but I think we have to face the fact that he won't go for me from OUR CLUB. Yes, if he stars for Man United and England his price will go up, but if your club is less high profile the price will reach a ceiling. I believe this is great business for the club. However, if we sell anyone else from the Spider, Lovren, Lallana category I will be very disappointed and angry. Hopefully this sale means we won't have to do that and gives us leverage to tell them they are going nowhere.[/p][/quote]Sensible post JD - can't argue with any of that. Shaw was going whether we liked it or not, and we've capitalised on this fact. We had the same situation with Walcott. Hopefully the sell on clause will be substantial enough so that we're quids in when he goes to Chelski. Wonder how many threesomes are in his contract? Beer Monster
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