Liverpool attack to lack bite against Saints?

Luis Suarez

Luis Suarez

First published in Sport Basingstoke Gazette: Photograph of the Author by , Chief Sports Writer

Luis Suarez could be banned from facing Saints at Anfield for the second season in a row for a biting incident if FIFA decide to hit the striker with a worldwide ban.

FIFA are currently investigating the Uruguayan forward after he appeared to bite Italy defender Giorgio Chiellini during his nation’s decisive World Cup win on Tuesday night.

Suarez has already been banned for biting an opponent twice before, with the last incident, involving Chelsea defender Branislav Ivanovic earning him a ban that meant he missed the visit of Saints at the start of last season.

With Ronald Koeman’s men due to visit Liverpool on the first day of the forthcoming campaign, Suarez could find himself sidelined again if FIFA find him guilty and opt for a worldwide ban rather than just for international competition.

That could also mean Rickie Lambert getting the chance for an immediate meeting with his former teammates following his £4m move to Liverpool.

There has been widespread condemnation of Suarez following the incident.

Paul Scholes believes a 10-match ban or a suspension for the remainder for the World Cup tournament would not be sufficient punishment for Suarez, pictured.

Former England and Manchester United midfielder Scholes said: “Luis Suarez was banned for 10 games for biting Chelsea’s Branislav Ivanovic in April 2013. That obviously wasn’t enough.

“On Tuesday night, with the biting incident on Italy’s Giorgio Chiellini during Uruguay’s Group D clash, Suarez embarrassed his club, country and family.

“Banning him for the rest of the World Cup is not enough, because Colombia will beat Uruguay in their next game anyway.”

Scholes thinks Suarez’s behaviour will overshadow his ability as a footballer in the minds of the viewing public.

“He will feel terrible, and the entire incident is such a shame because he’s a tremendous player,” Scholes added.

“But people will remember Suarez now for his biting antics at this World Cup rather than his supreme footballing ability.”

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8:28am Thu 26 Jun 14

pitbull says...

Perhaps the bite incident was a sign of affection from Louis "Hickey" Suarez.

I would prefer Hickey in the Liverpool attack rather than Rickie, you know what happens when former strikers face the Saints.
Perhaps the bite incident was a sign of affection from Louis "Hickey" Suarez. I would prefer Hickey in the Liverpool attack rather than Rickie, you know what happens when former strikers face the Saints. pitbull
  • Score: 4

8:45am Thu 26 Jun 14

worried of n e hampshire says...

he won't be t pool come the start of the season anyway
he won't be t pool come the start of the season anyway worried of n e hampshire
  • Score: 3

8:48am Thu 26 Jun 14

Sammy2sheds says...

C'mon Brenda come out and Back him.makes me sick how these clubs would sell their soul for success.
Liverpool deserve everything they get from this for not selling him last time.
Hopefully a 20 game ban in all competitions and Liverpool selling him for a big loss.no one is bigger than the club.same with saints if some stars want to go the club still goes on.players come and go.
C'mon Brenda come out and Back him.makes me sick how these clubs would sell their soul for success. Liverpool deserve everything they get from this for not selling him last time. Hopefully a 20 game ban in all competitions and Liverpool selling him for a big loss.no one is bigger than the club.same with saints if some stars want to go the club still goes on.players come and go. Sammy2sheds
  • Score: 3

8:55am Thu 26 Jun 14

There's only one 'H' in 'Ampshire says...

Real want him for 80mill
For that money I'd bite their hands off.
Real want him for 80mill For that money I'd bite their hands off. There's only one 'H' in 'Ampshire
  • Score: 6

8:58am Thu 26 Jun 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

ANOTHER WIN FOR SAINTS THEN !! (First game of the Season)

Lambo likely to be glued to the BENCH. COYR
ANOTHER WIN FOR SAINTS THEN !! (First game of the Season) Lambo likely to be glued to the BENCH. COYR The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 0

9:03am Thu 26 Jun 14

Alicesdad says...

As I said yesterday, what exactly is it about biting that's worse than leg breaking studs up tackles, or elbows in the face, or pinching, headbutts, spitting, shirt pulling, groin grabbing, and dead legging?

In everyones mind there is clearly a line that has been crossed. From the playground upward, there is a unique view on biting. I dont pretend to understand it but I feel it too. and of course we just dont like Suarez.

But the question of balanced punishment will be the measure of the inquiry, if there is one. If we are not careful we will allow the press and media to simply be the judges, not the proper authorities. Suarez deserves punishing,but you'd think he was on death row the way things look in the papers.

I don't like him, even before I met him I didn't like him, you love him compared to how much I dislike him. ...... but lets not make ourselves worse by being even worse savages about the punsihment.
As I said yesterday, what exactly is it about biting that's worse than leg breaking studs up tackles, or elbows in the face, or pinching, headbutts, spitting, shirt pulling, groin grabbing, and dead legging? In everyones mind there is clearly a line that has been crossed. From the playground upward, there is a unique view on biting. I dont pretend to understand it but I feel it too. and of course we just dont like Suarez. But the question of balanced punishment will be the measure of the inquiry, if there is one. If we are not careful we will allow the press and media to simply be the judges, not the proper authorities. Suarez deserves punishing,but you'd think he was on death row the way things look in the papers. I don't like him, even before I met him I didn't like him, you love him compared to how much I dislike him. ...... but lets not make ourselves worse by being even worse savages about the punsihment. Alicesdad
  • Score: -2

9:09am Thu 26 Jun 14

jls217 says...

Alicesdad wrote:
As I said yesterday, what exactly is it about biting that's worse than leg breaking studs up tackles, or elbows in the face, or pinching, headbutts, spitting, shirt pulling, groin grabbing, and dead legging?

In everyones mind there is clearly a line that has been crossed. From the playground upward, there is a unique view on biting. I dont pretend to understand it but I feel it too. and of course we just dont like Suarez.

But the question of balanced punishment will be the measure of the inquiry, if there is one. If we are not careful we will allow the press and media to simply be the judges, not the proper authorities. Suarez deserves punishing,but you'd think he was on death row the way things look in the papers.

I don't like him, even before I met him I didn't like him, you love him compared to how much I dislike him. ...... but lets not make ourselves worse by being even worse savages about the punsihment.
Nothings worse than being unable to work out what is worse in a worsening situation - what a mouthful!
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: As I said yesterday, what exactly is it about biting that's worse than leg breaking studs up tackles, or elbows in the face, or pinching, headbutts, spitting, shirt pulling, groin grabbing, and dead legging? In everyones mind there is clearly a line that has been crossed. From the playground upward, there is a unique view on biting. I dont pretend to understand it but I feel it too. and of course we just dont like Suarez. But the question of balanced punishment will be the measure of the inquiry, if there is one. If we are not careful we will allow the press and media to simply be the judges, not the proper authorities. Suarez deserves punishing,but you'd think he was on death row the way things look in the papers. I don't like him, even before I met him I didn't like him, you love him compared to how much I dislike him. ...... but lets not make ourselves worse by being even worse savages about the punsihment.[/p][/quote]Nothings worse than being unable to work out what is worse in a worsening situation - what a mouthful! jls217
  • Score: 1

9:09am Thu 26 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Ban him for two years. Liverpool were after three of our players and others on the back of his £80m from Spain, that would teach them a much deserved lesson!
Ban him for two years. Liverpool were after three of our players and others on the back of his £80m from Spain, that would teach them a much deserved lesson! Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 5

9:14am Thu 26 Jun 14

bullsbags says...

Alicesdad wrote:
As I said yesterday, what exactly is it about biting that's worse than leg breaking studs up tackles, or elbows in the face, or pinching, headbutts, spitting, shirt pulling, groin grabbing, and dead legging?

In everyones mind there is clearly a line that has been crossed. From the playground upward, there is a unique view on biting. I dont pretend to understand it but I feel it too. and of course we just dont like Suarez.

But the question of balanced punishment will be the measure of the inquiry, if there is one. If we are not careful we will allow the press and media to simply be the judges, not the proper authorities. Suarez deserves punishing,but you'd think he was on death row the way things look in the papers.

I don't like him, even before I met him I didn't like him, you love him compared to how much I dislike him. ...... but lets not make ourselves worse by being even worse savages about the punsihment.
Why is it worse than dead legging,elbowing etc
EVER HEARD OF HIV?
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: As I said yesterday, what exactly is it about biting that's worse than leg breaking studs up tackles, or elbows in the face, or pinching, headbutts, spitting, shirt pulling, groin grabbing, and dead legging? In everyones mind there is clearly a line that has been crossed. From the playground upward, there is a unique view on biting. I dont pretend to understand it but I feel it too. and of course we just dont like Suarez. But the question of balanced punishment will be the measure of the inquiry, if there is one. If we are not careful we will allow the press and media to simply be the judges, not the proper authorities. Suarez deserves punishing,but you'd think he was on death row the way things look in the papers. I don't like him, even before I met him I didn't like him, you love him compared to how much I dislike him. ...... but lets not make ourselves worse by being even worse savages about the punsihment.[/p][/quote]Why is it worse than dead legging,elbowing etc EVER HEARD OF HIV? bullsbags
  • Score: 3

9:20am Thu 26 Jun 14

Folkestone Saint says...

Alicesdad wrote:
As I said yesterday, what exactly is it about biting that's worse than leg breaking studs up tackles, or elbows in the face, or pinching, headbutts, spitting, shirt pulling, groin grabbing, and dead legging?

In everyones mind there is clearly a line that has been crossed. From the playground upward, there is a unique view on biting. I dont pretend to understand it but I feel it too. and of course we just dont like Suarez.

But the question of balanced punishment will be the measure of the inquiry, if there is one. If we are not careful we will allow the press and media to simply be the judges, not the proper authorities. Suarez deserves punishing,but you'd think he was on death row the way things look in the papers.

I don't like him, even before I met him I didn't like him, you love him compared to how much I dislike him. ...... but lets not make ourselves worse by being even worse savages about the punsihment.
Biting has a certain savagery about it, remember Tyson and how that was recieved. I do think last time it happend, just after the racist event, the way divingpool defended him and at no time apologise when found guilty made it worse, and now the UFA are trying to blame England, Italy and brazil for him sinking his teeth into an oponent, they are starting to sound like divingpool.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: As I said yesterday, what exactly is it about biting that's worse than leg breaking studs up tackles, or elbows in the face, or pinching, headbutts, spitting, shirt pulling, groin grabbing, and dead legging? In everyones mind there is clearly a line that has been crossed. From the playground upward, there is a unique view on biting. I dont pretend to understand it but I feel it too. and of course we just dont like Suarez. But the question of balanced punishment will be the measure of the inquiry, if there is one. If we are not careful we will allow the press and media to simply be the judges, not the proper authorities. Suarez deserves punishing,but you'd think he was on death row the way things look in the papers. I don't like him, even before I met him I didn't like him, you love him compared to how much I dislike him. ...... but lets not make ourselves worse by being even worse savages about the punsihment.[/p][/quote]Biting has a certain savagery about it, remember Tyson and how that was recieved. I do think last time it happend, just after the racist event, the way divingpool defended him and at no time apologise when found guilty made it worse, and now the UFA are trying to blame England, Italy and brazil for him sinking his teeth into an oponent, they are starting to sound like divingpool. Folkestone Saint
  • Score: 2

9:24am Thu 26 Jun 14

Folkestone Saint says...

Should have said, my punishment for him, take away everything he has for a year, send him back to his country and make him live on the minimum wage for that time, I'm sure he would never do it again,
Should have said, my punishment for him, take away everything he has for a year, send him back to his country and make him live on the minimum wage for that time, I'm sure he would never do it again, Folkestone Saint
  • Score: 1

9:45am Thu 26 Jun 14

pitbull says...

I think the reason for the massive media coverage is more to do with biting, like hair pulling and scratching, is not something a grown man should do. It's more associated with children and some sorts of women.

It also doesn't help that this is Suarez's third nibble on a playing field. This guy needs some serious help.
I think the reason for the massive media coverage is more to do with biting, like hair pulling and scratching, is not something a grown man should do. It's more associated with children and some sorts of women. It also doesn't help that this is Suarez's third nibble on a playing field. This guy needs some serious help. pitbull
  • Score: 2

10:02am Thu 26 Jun 14

Chapperall says...

Looking at the recent info from FIFA it looks certain he will be punished severely as the whole world was watching! Liverpool won't be so smug now with their so called stars under performing for England and their star acting like Hannibal Lector taking bites out of people.
I predict an unstable season for them with Saints taking all 3 points at the first match.
Looking at the recent info from FIFA it looks certain he will be punished severely as the whole world was watching! Liverpool won't be so smug now with their so called stars under performing for England and their star acting like Hannibal Lector taking bites out of people. I predict an unstable season for them with Saints taking all 3 points at the first match. Chapperall
  • Score: 1

10:05am Thu 26 Jun 14

Alicesdad says...

bullsbags wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
As I said yesterday, what exactly is it about biting that's worse than leg breaking studs up tackles, or elbows in the face, or pinching, headbutts, spitting, shirt pulling, groin grabbing, and dead legging?

In everyones mind there is clearly a line that has been crossed. From the playground upward, there is a unique view on biting. I dont pretend to understand it but I feel it too. and of course we just dont like Suarez.

But the question of balanced punishment will be the measure of the inquiry, if there is one. If we are not careful we will allow the press and media to simply be the judges, not the proper authorities. Suarez deserves punishing,but you'd think he was on death row the way things look in the papers.

I don't like him, even before I met him I didn't like him, you love him compared to how much I dislike him. ...... but lets not make ourselves worse by being even worse savages about the punsihment.
Why is it worse than dead legging,elbowing etc
EVER HEARD OF HIV?
Was that shouting ? Oh, that makes all the diffenrence. So you want him done for attempted murder then? Yes, I suppose you do, and there lies a prime example of my last point.
[quote][p][bold]bullsbags[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: As I said yesterday, what exactly is it about biting that's worse than leg breaking studs up tackles, or elbows in the face, or pinching, headbutts, spitting, shirt pulling, groin grabbing, and dead legging? In everyones mind there is clearly a line that has been crossed. From the playground upward, there is a unique view on biting. I dont pretend to understand it but I feel it too. and of course we just dont like Suarez. But the question of balanced punishment will be the measure of the inquiry, if there is one. If we are not careful we will allow the press and media to simply be the judges, not the proper authorities. Suarez deserves punishing,but you'd think he was on death row the way things look in the papers. I don't like him, even before I met him I didn't like him, you love him compared to how much I dislike him. ...... but lets not make ourselves worse by being even worse savages about the punsihment.[/p][/quote]Why is it worse than dead legging,elbowing etc EVER HEARD OF HIV?[/p][/quote]Was that shouting ? Oh, that makes all the diffenrence. So you want him done for attempted murder then? Yes, I suppose you do, and there lies a prime example of my last point. Alicesdad
  • Score: 1

10:06am Thu 26 Jun 14

Alicesdad says...

jls217 wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
As I said yesterday, what exactly is it about biting that's worse than leg breaking studs up tackles, or elbows in the face, or pinching, headbutts, spitting, shirt pulling, groin grabbing, and dead legging?

In everyones mind there is clearly a line that has been crossed. From the playground upward, there is a unique view on biting. I dont pretend to understand it but I feel it too. and of course we just dont like Suarez.

But the question of balanced punishment will be the measure of the inquiry, if there is one. If we are not careful we will allow the press and media to simply be the judges, not the proper authorities. Suarez deserves punishing,but you'd think he was on death row the way things look in the papers.

I don't like him, even before I met him I didn't like him, you love him compared to how much I dislike him. ...... but lets not make ourselves worse by being even worse savages about the punsihment.
Nothings worse than being unable to work out what is worse in a worsening situation - what a mouthful!
When you put it like that ......
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: As I said yesterday, what exactly is it about biting that's worse than leg breaking studs up tackles, or elbows in the face, or pinching, headbutts, spitting, shirt pulling, groin grabbing, and dead legging? In everyones mind there is clearly a line that has been crossed. From the playground upward, there is a unique view on biting. I dont pretend to understand it but I feel it too. and of course we just dont like Suarez. But the question of balanced punishment will be the measure of the inquiry, if there is one. If we are not careful we will allow the press and media to simply be the judges, not the proper authorities. Suarez deserves punishing,but you'd think he was on death row the way things look in the papers. I don't like him, even before I met him I didn't like him, you love him compared to how much I dislike him. ...... but lets not make ourselves worse by being even worse savages about the punsihment.[/p][/quote]Nothings worse than being unable to work out what is worse in a worsening situation - what a mouthful![/p][/quote]When you put it like that ...... Alicesdad
  • Score: 0

11:00am Thu 26 Jun 14

Positively4thStreet says...

bullsbags wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
As I said yesterday, what exactly is it about biting that's worse than leg breaking studs up tackles, or elbows in the face, or pinching, headbutts, spitting, shirt pulling, groin grabbing, and dead legging?

In everyones mind there is clearly a line that has been crossed. From the playground upward, there is a unique view on biting. I dont pretend to understand it but I feel it too. and of course we just dont like Suarez.

But the question of balanced punishment will be the measure of the inquiry, if there is one. If we are not careful we will allow the press and media to simply be the judges, not the proper authorities. Suarez deserves punishing,but you'd think he was on death row the way things look in the papers.

I don't like him, even before I met him I didn't like him, you love him compared to how much I dislike him. ...... but lets not make ourselves worse by being even worse savages about the punsihment.
Why is it worse than dead legging,elbowing etc
EVER HEARD OF HIV?
It could be worse if he was like Vinnie Jones and went for the b@lls each time.
[quote][p][bold]bullsbags[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: As I said yesterday, what exactly is it about biting that's worse than leg breaking studs up tackles, or elbows in the face, or pinching, headbutts, spitting, shirt pulling, groin grabbing, and dead legging? In everyones mind there is clearly a line that has been crossed. From the playground upward, there is a unique view on biting. I dont pretend to understand it but I feel it too. and of course we just dont like Suarez. But the question of balanced punishment will be the measure of the inquiry, if there is one. If we are not careful we will allow the press and media to simply be the judges, not the proper authorities. Suarez deserves punishing,but you'd think he was on death row the way things look in the papers. I don't like him, even before I met him I didn't like him, you love him compared to how much I dislike him. ...... but lets not make ourselves worse by being even worse savages about the punsihment.[/p][/quote]Why is it worse than dead legging,elbowing etc EVER HEARD OF HIV?[/p][/quote]It could be worse if he was like Vinnie Jones and went for the b@lls each time. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

11:30am Thu 26 Jun 14

Mush On The Beach says...

It will indeed be interesting to see if any ban applies at club level as well, that would be harsh on Liverpool wouldn’t it? .... Hilarious.
Award for best headline on the story for me went to Huffington Post ..... Chewy Luis and the Blues.
It will indeed be interesting to see if any ban applies at club level as well, that would be harsh on Liverpool wouldn’t it? .... Hilarious. Award for best headline on the story for me went to Huffington Post ..... Chewy Luis and the Blues. Mush On The Beach
  • Score: 1

12:21pm Thu 26 Jun 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Alicesdad wrote:
As I said yesterday, what exactly is it about biting that's worse than leg breaking studs up tackles, or elbows in the face, or pinching, headbutts, spitting, shirt pulling, groin grabbing, and dead legging?

In everyones mind there is clearly a line that has been crossed. From the playground upward, there is a unique view on biting. I dont pretend to understand it but I feel it too. and of course we just dont like Suarez.

But the question of balanced punishment will be the measure of the inquiry, if there is one. If we are not careful we will allow the press and media to simply be the judges, not the proper authorities. Suarez deserves punishing,but you'd think he was on death row the way things look in the papers.

I don't like him, even before I met him I didn't like him, you love him compared to how much I dislike him. ...... but lets not make ourselves worse by being even worse savages about the punsihment.
right Mr dad I have given this a fair bit of thought since you posted this yesterday and think I might just have a good response for you.

lets take out spitting for a moment and concentrate on the other `offences`. foot up tackles, elbows, they are in some form or another part of the game, yes the deliberate over the top tackle or elbow is bad, but occasionally you do get accidental tackles/elbows that do a lot of damage and sometimes its hard to discern whether a player meant to go in over the top or elbow a player. when it is clear that a player has done either of these deliberately then they do get punished as per the laws of the game.
pinching is something that is very hard to spot and is often used as a way of getting away from an opponent who is `shirt pulling` or (as in last nights game) `bear hugging`. now both shirt pulling and bear hugging are wrong and if the ref sees them he should award either a free kick or penalty, it should be completely taken out of the game in my view but unless the authorities act it is `part of the game`. as is `groin grabbing` and `dead legging` though I cant remember seeing many players trying to `dead leg` an opponent.
I have often said that there should be 2 more linesmen per game, 2 per side. and maybe when there is a corner/free kick, which is when most of those offences take place, one of the linesmen should stand behind the goal line, like in European comps, to look for these offences. they would have to actually flag for them and give the ref help which I haven't seen the eufa ones do yet. would that help cut down these problems? it might do if ref acted and gave yellow and red cards out. I don't like it when a ref stops a corner from being taken so he can talk to some players who are doing this, let play go on and if he sees it give the correct decision.
now I think that covers most of it apart from spitting and biting.
spitting is just awful, who cant remember seeing Rijkaard spitting twice at rudi voller and seeing the flem dripping from his hair? I believe that fifa have strict rules on spitting and its an automatic ban if caught, I think I heard 8 games but cant be sure. one thing I do know is that a Serbian player got a 1yr worldwide ban for spitting at a ref during the 08 Olympics. to spit at another player or official is vile and disgusting but I think that deliberately biting another player is a lot worse.
to actually sink your teeth into a fellow professional is the lowest of the low in my book, lets not forget that this is the third time this player has done this. its not an accidental elbow or tackle that goes wrong it is a premeditated attack using your mouth/teeth as a weapon, it is in no way `part of the game`. to punish suarez with a worldwide 1yr ban would still be letting him off in my humble opinion, fines don't work on players nowadays as they have too much money. suarez should also be made to seek professional help before he is allowed to play again. if he then bites another player a lifetime ban should be imposed, and he should be made fully aware of that.
these are of course just my opinions and others will think differently. the only opinion that counts at the moment is that of the fifa disciplinary committee. I just hope they come down on him like a ton (a British ton not a metric tonne) of bricks. we cant have kids watching this behaviour and thinking its ok to copy in the parks and streets.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: As I said yesterday, what exactly is it about biting that's worse than leg breaking studs up tackles, or elbows in the face, or pinching, headbutts, spitting, shirt pulling, groin grabbing, and dead legging? In everyones mind there is clearly a line that has been crossed. From the playground upward, there is a unique view on biting. I dont pretend to understand it but I feel it too. and of course we just dont like Suarez. But the question of balanced punishment will be the measure of the inquiry, if there is one. If we are not careful we will allow the press and media to simply be the judges, not the proper authorities. Suarez deserves punishing,but you'd think he was on death row the way things look in the papers. I don't like him, even before I met him I didn't like him, you love him compared to how much I dislike him. ...... but lets not make ourselves worse by being even worse savages about the punsihment.[/p][/quote]right Mr dad I have given this a fair bit of thought since you posted this yesterday and think I might just have a good response for you. lets take out spitting for a moment and concentrate on the other `offences`. foot up tackles, elbows, they are in some form or another part of the game, yes the deliberate over the top tackle or elbow is bad, but occasionally you do get accidental tackles/elbows that do a lot of damage and sometimes its hard to discern whether a player meant to go in over the top or elbow a player. when it is clear that a player has done either of these deliberately then they do get punished as per the laws of the game. pinching is something that is very hard to spot and is often used as a way of getting away from an opponent who is `shirt pulling` or (as in last nights game) `bear hugging`. now both shirt pulling and bear hugging are wrong and if the ref sees them he should award either a free kick or penalty, it should be completely taken out of the game in my view but unless the authorities act it is `part of the game`. as is `groin grabbing` and `dead legging` though I cant remember seeing many players trying to `dead leg` an opponent. I have often said that there should be 2 more linesmen per game, 2 per side. and maybe when there is a corner/free kick, which is when most of those offences take place, one of the linesmen should stand behind the goal line, like in European comps, to look for these offences. they would have to actually flag for them and give the ref help which I haven't seen the eufa ones do yet. would that help cut down these problems? it might do if ref acted and gave yellow and red cards out. I don't like it when a ref stops a corner from being taken so he can talk to some players who are doing this, let play go on and if he sees it give the correct decision. now I think that covers most of it apart from spitting and biting. spitting is just awful, who cant remember seeing Rijkaard spitting twice at rudi voller and seeing the flem dripping from his hair? I believe that fifa have strict rules on spitting and its an automatic ban if caught, I think I heard 8 games but cant be sure. one thing I do know is that a Serbian player got a 1yr worldwide ban for spitting at a ref during the 08 Olympics. to spit at another player or official is vile and disgusting but I think that deliberately biting another player is a lot worse. to actually sink your teeth into a fellow professional is the lowest of the low in my book, lets not forget that this is the third time this player has done this. its not an accidental elbow or tackle that goes wrong it is a premeditated attack using your mouth/teeth as a weapon, it is in no way `part of the game`. to punish suarez with a worldwide 1yr ban would still be letting him off in my humble opinion, fines don't work on players nowadays as they have too much money. suarez should also be made to seek professional help before he is allowed to play again. if he then bites another player a lifetime ban should be imposed, and he should be made fully aware of that. these are of course just my opinions and others will think differently. the only opinion that counts at the moment is that of the fifa disciplinary committee. I just hope they come down on him like a ton (a British ton not a metric tonne) of bricks. we cant have kids watching this behaviour and thinking its ok to copy in the parks and streets. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 4

12:50pm Thu 26 Jun 14

03alpe01 says...

Lambert to get the winner for Liverpool?
Lambert to get the winner for Liverpool? 03alpe01
  • Score: -1

1:16pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Alicesdad says...

Good Afternoon de Heiligen paard 101 .. thanks for such a comprehensive reply and I am honoured to be treated to such a well thought out and articulated response.

For the most part I agree with nearly all your sentiments.

My core point though is that biting is simply one more nasty offence and as such should have some documented specification so it can be punished clearly and without undue influence created by the press or because a particular player is unpopular. .. and thats it really ... there really shouldn't be this press fuelled witch hunt. There should be a clearly specified punishment for this offence and it should be applied to Suarez, quickly. I'm not sure if it should be a cumulative punishment with increasing penalties for repeat offences, thats another debate. The question we face is how to stop this .. clearly the current governance and regulations are inadequate and that must be addressed.

Thats my rational view for my comments.

My irrational view is simply that I dont like him.
Good Afternoon de Heiligen paard 101 .. thanks for such a comprehensive reply and I am honoured to be treated to such a well thought out and articulated response. For the most part I agree with nearly all your sentiments. My core point though is that biting is simply one more nasty offence and as such should have some documented specification so it can be punished clearly and without undue influence created by the press or because a particular player is unpopular. .. and thats it really ... there really shouldn't be this press fuelled witch hunt. There should be a clearly specified punishment for this offence and it should be applied to Suarez, quickly. I'm not sure if it should be a cumulative punishment with increasing penalties for repeat offences, thats another debate. The question we face is how to stop this .. clearly the current governance and regulations are inadequate and that must be addressed. Thats my rational view for my comments. My irrational view is simply that I dont like him. Alicesdad
  • Score: 0

1:26pm Thu 26 Jun 14

bullsbags says...

Alicesdad wrote:
bullsbags wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
As I said yesterday, what exactly is it about biting that's worse than leg breaking studs up tackles, or elbows in the face, or pinching, headbutts, spitting, shirt pulling, groin grabbing, and dead legging?

In everyones mind there is clearly a line that has been crossed. From the playground upward, there is a unique view on biting. I dont pretend to understand it but I feel it too. and of course we just dont like Suarez.

But the question of balanced punishment will be the measure of the inquiry, if there is one. If we are not careful we will allow the press and media to simply be the judges, not the proper authorities. Suarez deserves punishing,but you'd think he was on death row the way things look in the papers.

I don't like him, even before I met him I didn't like him, you love him compared to how much I dislike him. ...... but lets not make ourselves worse by being even worse savages about the punsihment.
Why is it worse than dead legging,elbowing etc
EVER HEARD OF HIV?
Was that shouting ? Oh, that makes all the diffenrence. So you want him done for attempted murder then? Yes, I suppose you do, and there lies a prime example of my last point.
HIV is not a death sentence these days
Keep up!
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bullsbags[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: As I said yesterday, what exactly is it about biting that's worse than leg breaking studs up tackles, or elbows in the face, or pinching, headbutts, spitting, shirt pulling, groin grabbing, and dead legging? In everyones mind there is clearly a line that has been crossed. From the playground upward, there is a unique view on biting. I dont pretend to understand it but I feel it too. and of course we just dont like Suarez. But the question of balanced punishment will be the measure of the inquiry, if there is one. If we are not careful we will allow the press and media to simply be the judges, not the proper authorities. Suarez deserves punishing,but you'd think he was on death row the way things look in the papers. I don't like him, even before I met him I didn't like him, you love him compared to how much I dislike him. ...... but lets not make ourselves worse by being even worse savages about the punsihment.[/p][/quote]Why is it worse than dead legging,elbowing etc EVER HEARD OF HIV?[/p][/quote]Was that shouting ? Oh, that makes all the diffenrence. So you want him done for attempted murder then? Yes, I suppose you do, and there lies a prime example of my last point.[/p][/quote]HIV is not a death sentence these days Keep up! bullsbags
  • Score: 0

1:43pm Thu 26 Jun 14

saintgibbo says...

Mush On The Beach wrote:
It will indeed be interesting to see if any ban applies at club level as well, that would be harsh on Liverpool wouldn’t it? .... Hilarious. Award for best headline on the story for me went to Huffington Post ..... Chewy Luis and the Blues.
I was listening to talk sport on the way to work this morning and a journo on there said just that. As it's a fifa tournament then any ban applies only in international football therefore euefa and the fa can't ban him. Will be interesting to see the stand Liverpool take should he be at anfield next season.
Can we blame Guly for this one?
[quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: It will indeed be interesting to see if any ban applies at club level as well, that would be harsh on Liverpool wouldn’t it? .... Hilarious. Award for best headline on the story for me went to Huffington Post ..... Chewy Luis and the Blues.[/p][/quote]I was listening to talk sport on the way to work this morning and a journo on there said just that. As it's a fifa tournament then any ban applies only in international football therefore euefa and the fa can't ban him. Will be interesting to see the stand Liverpool take should he be at anfield next season. Can we blame Guly for this one? saintgibbo
  • Score: 1

2:02pm Thu 26 Jun 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Alicesdad wrote:
Good Afternoon de Heiligen paard 101 .. thanks for such a comprehensive reply and I am honoured to be treated to such a well thought out and articulated response.

For the most part I agree with nearly all your sentiments.

My core point though is that biting is simply one more nasty offence and as such should have some documented specification so it can be punished clearly and without undue influence created by the press or because a particular player is unpopular. .. and thats it really ... there really shouldn't be this press fuelled witch hunt. There should be a clearly specified punishment for this offence and it should be applied to Suarez, quickly. I'm not sure if it should be a cumulative punishment with increasing penalties for repeat offences, thats another debate. The question we face is how to stop this .. clearly the current governance and regulations are inadequate and that must be addressed.

Thats my rational view for my comments.

My irrational view is simply that I dont like him.
I cant stand him either, though I do realise he is a great player.
I don't think the governing bodies have a specific punishment for biting because apart from suarez no one has done it, to the best of my knowledge. as for punishment I do think previous offences should be taken into account, we have here a serial offender and the punishments he has already served have not prevented him from repeating the offence. yes there is a witch hunt with everyone willing to air their views in print and on radio/tv. I genuinely feel that its because its not the first time hes done this. if this was a one time event there would be a witch hunt but it would die down after a while, but because its the same player doing the same thing people are baying for blood. don't forget this wasn't just an international friendly, it was an important world cup game with a lot resting on the result. we shouldn't allow the media the power to dictate his punishment, and for all their failings I don't think that fifa will, if they did we would see suarez hung drawn and quartered on top of sugarloaf mountain with the rights to broadcast it being sold to the highest bidder!

how do we stop this? well as I said it has only been done by one player, and i cant think of another player who would do this, so to stop other players doing the same or kids copying in the streets he needs to be given a lengthy ban, not just an international ban but a worldwide ban and he should be forced to seek help.

as with all offences if he is `let off` with a small fine and a few game ban there is no deterrent to other players. racism is being stamped out by giving long bans to players who do it.

taking my dislike of the player out of the equation, and I do dislike him, he needs to be taught that this is not acceptable behaviour on a football pitch. he has a history of bad behaviour during games with 2 previous biting incidents and a ban for racist comments. nothing has stopped him so far, and I fear he will continue to behave like this until he is stopped from playing for a long long time. this may hurt diverpool, in more ways than one, but they defended him and backed him after both of the incidents in England so that's their look out. they should have come out already and condemned his behaviour, but they will stick to form and wait to see what is done to him.
I said at the end of the season that suarez should never have been named `player of the year` because of his previous biting incident and that the ban for doing it continued into that season, I got laughed at and told he has changed! now he has done the same thing just over a year later, and that's our player of the season!
sorry got into a rant there!
as I say, nothing has changed his behaviour and it seems to be built into him, what can change that? well I don't know as im not an expert. however its clear that he needs to change and there may be people who can help him.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Good Afternoon de Heiligen paard 101 .. thanks for such a comprehensive reply and I am honoured to be treated to such a well thought out and articulated response. For the most part I agree with nearly all your sentiments. My core point though is that biting is simply one more nasty offence and as such should have some documented specification so it can be punished clearly and without undue influence created by the press or because a particular player is unpopular. .. and thats it really ... there really shouldn't be this press fuelled witch hunt. There should be a clearly specified punishment for this offence and it should be applied to Suarez, quickly. I'm not sure if it should be a cumulative punishment with increasing penalties for repeat offences, thats another debate. The question we face is how to stop this .. clearly the current governance and regulations are inadequate and that must be addressed. Thats my rational view for my comments. My irrational view is simply that I dont like him.[/p][/quote]I cant stand him either, though I do realise he is a great player. I don't think the governing bodies have a specific punishment for biting because apart from suarez no one has done it, to the best of my knowledge. as for punishment I do think previous offences should be taken into account, we have here a serial offender and the punishments he has already served have not prevented him from repeating the offence. yes there is a witch hunt with everyone willing to air their views in print and on radio/tv. I genuinely feel that its because its not the first time hes done this. if this was a one time event there would be a witch hunt but it would die down after a while, but because its the same player doing the same thing people are baying for blood. don't forget this wasn't just an international friendly, it was an important world cup game with a lot resting on the result. we shouldn't allow the media the power to dictate his punishment, and for all their failings I don't think that fifa will, if they did we would see suarez hung drawn and quartered on top of sugarloaf mountain with the rights to broadcast it being sold to the highest bidder! how do we stop this? well as I said it has only been done by one player, and i cant think of another player who would do this, so to stop other players doing the same or kids copying in the streets he needs to be given a lengthy ban, not just an international ban but a worldwide ban and he should be forced to seek help. as with all offences if he is `let off` with a small fine and a few game ban there is no deterrent to other players. racism is being stamped out by giving long bans to players who do it. taking my dislike of the player out of the equation, and I do dislike him, he needs to be taught that this is not acceptable behaviour on a football pitch. he has a history of bad behaviour during games with 2 previous biting incidents and a ban for racist comments. nothing has stopped him so far, and I fear he will continue to behave like this until he is stopped from playing for a long long time. this may hurt diverpool, in more ways than one, but they defended him and backed him after both of the incidents in England so that's their look out. they should have come out already and condemned his behaviour, but they will stick to form and wait to see what is done to him. I said at the end of the season that suarez should never have been named `player of the year` because of his previous biting incident and that the ban for doing it continued into that season, I got laughed at and told he has changed! now he has done the same thing just over a year later, and that's our player of the season! sorry got into a rant there! as I say, nothing has changed his behaviour and it seems to be built into him, what can change that? well I don't know as im not an expert. however its clear that he needs to change and there may be people who can help him. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 1

2:02pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Positively4thStreet says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
As I said yesterday, what exactly is it about biting that's worse than leg breaking studs up tackles, or elbows in the face, or pinching, headbutts, spitting, shirt pulling, groin grabbing, and dead legging?

In everyones mind there is clearly a line that has been crossed. From the playground upward, there is a unique view on biting. I dont pretend to understand it but I feel it too. and of course we just dont like Suarez.

But the question of balanced punishment will be the measure of the inquiry, if there is one. If we are not careful we will allow the press and media to simply be the judges, not the proper authorities. Suarez deserves punishing,but you'd think he was on death row the way things look in the papers.

I don't like him, even before I met him I didn't like him, you love him compared to how much I dislike him. ...... but lets not make ourselves worse by being even worse savages about the punsihment.
right Mr dad I have given this a fair bit of thought since you posted this yesterday and think I might just have a good response for you.

lets take out spitting for a moment and concentrate on the other `offences`. foot up tackles, elbows, they are in some form or another part of the game, yes the deliberate over the top tackle or elbow is bad, but occasionally you do get accidental tackles/elbows that do a lot of damage and sometimes its hard to discern whether a player meant to go in over the top or elbow a player. when it is clear that a player has done either of these deliberately then they do get punished as per the laws of the game.
pinching is something that is very hard to spot and is often used as a way of getting away from an opponent who is `shirt pulling` or (as in last nights game) `bear hugging`. now both shirt pulling and bear hugging are wrong and if the ref sees them he should award either a free kick or penalty, it should be completely taken out of the game in my view but unless the authorities act it is `part of the game`. as is `groin grabbing` and `dead legging` though I cant remember seeing many players trying to `dead leg` an opponent.
I have often said that there should be 2 more linesmen per game, 2 per side. and maybe when there is a corner/free kick, which is when most of those offences take place, one of the linesmen should stand behind the goal line, like in European comps, to look for these offences. they would have to actually flag for them and give the ref help which I haven't seen the eufa ones do yet. would that help cut down these problems? it might do if ref acted and gave yellow and red cards out. I don't like it when a ref stops a corner from being taken so he can talk to some players who are doing this, let play go on and if he sees it give the correct decision.
now I think that covers most of it apart from spitting and biting.
spitting is just awful, who cant remember seeing Rijkaard spitting twice at rudi voller and seeing the flem dripping from his hair? I believe that fifa have strict rules on spitting and its an automatic ban if caught, I think I heard 8 games but cant be sure. one thing I do know is that a Serbian player got a 1yr worldwide ban for spitting at a ref during the 08 Olympics. to spit at another player or official is vile and disgusting but I think that deliberately biting another player is a lot worse.
to actually sink your teeth into a fellow professional is the lowest of the low in my book, lets not forget that this is the third time this player has done this. its not an accidental elbow or tackle that goes wrong it is a premeditated attack using your mouth/teeth as a weapon, it is in no way `part of the game`. to punish suarez with a worldwide 1yr ban would still be letting him off in my humble opinion, fines don't work on players nowadays as they have too much money. suarez should also be made to seek professional help before he is allowed to play again. if he then bites another player a lifetime ban should be imposed, and he should be made fully aware of that.
these are of course just my opinions and others will think differently. the only opinion that counts at the moment is that of the fifa disciplinary committee. I just hope they come down on him like a ton (a British ton not a metric tonne) of bricks. we cant have kids watching this behaviour and thinking its ok to copy in the parks and streets.
Good idea about awarding penalties for shirt pulling and holding back in the area,but I don't think you would even need to employ extra linesmen,because these incidents take place at every corner,and free kick outside the area,so it just needs the officials to have the bottle to award penalties every time they spot it,which would be every time,and so what if the results went up to 7-6 or 10-10,every game,the players would soon get the message.
As for spitting,I think that is equally as bad as biting,because not only is it disgusting,which goes without saying,but in most societies around the world,it is regarded as an insult.
With regards to elbowing,feet up tackles,and biting,in any other walk of life,these would be regarded as assaults against the person,and should not be regarded as any less of an offence,just because the perpetrators have stepped over the white line of a football pitch.Again,a couple of high profile cases,leading to a conviction,would soon put out the message that no one is above the law,not even millionaire footballers.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: As I said yesterday, what exactly is it about biting that's worse than leg breaking studs up tackles, or elbows in the face, or pinching, headbutts, spitting, shirt pulling, groin grabbing, and dead legging? In everyones mind there is clearly a line that has been crossed. From the playground upward, there is a unique view on biting. I dont pretend to understand it but I feel it too. and of course we just dont like Suarez. But the question of balanced punishment will be the measure of the inquiry, if there is one. If we are not careful we will allow the press and media to simply be the judges, not the proper authorities. Suarez deserves punishing,but you'd think he was on death row the way things look in the papers. I don't like him, even before I met him I didn't like him, you love him compared to how much I dislike him. ...... but lets not make ourselves worse by being even worse savages about the punsihment.[/p][/quote]right Mr dad I have given this a fair bit of thought since you posted this yesterday and think I might just have a good response for you. lets take out spitting for a moment and concentrate on the other `offences`. foot up tackles, elbows, they are in some form or another part of the game, yes the deliberate over the top tackle or elbow is bad, but occasionally you do get accidental tackles/elbows that do a lot of damage and sometimes its hard to discern whether a player meant to go in over the top or elbow a player. when it is clear that a player has done either of these deliberately then they do get punished as per the laws of the game. pinching is something that is very hard to spot and is often used as a way of getting away from an opponent who is `shirt pulling` or (as in last nights game) `bear hugging`. now both shirt pulling and bear hugging are wrong and if the ref sees them he should award either a free kick or penalty, it should be completely taken out of the game in my view but unless the authorities act it is `part of the game`. as is `groin grabbing` and `dead legging` though I cant remember seeing many players trying to `dead leg` an opponent. I have often said that there should be 2 more linesmen per game, 2 per side. and maybe when there is a corner/free kick, which is when most of those offences take place, one of the linesmen should stand behind the goal line, like in European comps, to look for these offences. they would have to actually flag for them and give the ref help which I haven't seen the eufa ones do yet. would that help cut down these problems? it might do if ref acted and gave yellow and red cards out. I don't like it when a ref stops a corner from being taken so he can talk to some players who are doing this, let play go on and if he sees it give the correct decision. now I think that covers most of it apart from spitting and biting. spitting is just awful, who cant remember seeing Rijkaard spitting twice at rudi voller and seeing the flem dripping from his hair? I believe that fifa have strict rules on spitting and its an automatic ban if caught, I think I heard 8 games but cant be sure. one thing I do know is that a Serbian player got a 1yr worldwide ban for spitting at a ref during the 08 Olympics. to spit at another player or official is vile and disgusting but I think that deliberately biting another player is a lot worse. to actually sink your teeth into a fellow professional is the lowest of the low in my book, lets not forget that this is the third time this player has done this. its not an accidental elbow or tackle that goes wrong it is a premeditated attack using your mouth/teeth as a weapon, it is in no way `part of the game`. to punish suarez with a worldwide 1yr ban would still be letting him off in my humble opinion, fines don't work on players nowadays as they have too much money. suarez should also be made to seek professional help before he is allowed to play again. if he then bites another player a lifetime ban should be imposed, and he should be made fully aware of that. these are of course just my opinions and others will think differently. the only opinion that counts at the moment is that of the fifa disciplinary committee. I just hope they come down on him like a ton (a British ton not a metric tonne) of bricks. we cant have kids watching this behaviour and thinking its ok to copy in the parks and streets.[/p][/quote]Good idea about awarding penalties for shirt pulling and holding back in the area,but I don't think you would even need to employ extra linesmen,because these incidents take place at every corner,and free kick outside the area,so it just needs the officials to have the bottle to award penalties every time they spot it,which would be every time,and so what if the results went up to 7-6 or 10-10,every game,the players would soon get the message. As for spitting,I think that is equally as bad as biting,because not only is it disgusting,which goes without saying,but in most societies around the world,it is regarded as an insult. With regards to elbowing,feet up tackles,and biting,in any other walk of life,these would be regarded as assaults against the person,and should not be regarded as any less of an offence,just because the perpetrators have stepped over the white line of a football pitch.Again,a couple of high profile cases,leading to a conviction,would soon put out the message that no one is above the law,not even millionaire footballers. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

2:43pm Thu 26 Jun 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
As I said yesterday, what exactly is it about biting that's worse than leg breaking studs up tackles, or elbows in the face, or pinching, headbutts, spitting, shirt pulling, groin grabbing, and dead legging?

In everyones mind there is clearly a line that has been crossed. From the playground upward, there is a unique view on biting. I dont pretend to understand it but I feel it too. and of course we just dont like Suarez.

But the question of balanced punishment will be the measure of the inquiry, if there is one. If we are not careful we will allow the press and media to simply be the judges, not the proper authorities. Suarez deserves punishing,but you'd think he was on death row the way things look in the papers.

I don't like him, even before I met him I didn't like him, you love him compared to how much I dislike him. ...... but lets not make ourselves worse by being even worse savages about the punsihment.
right Mr dad I have given this a fair bit of thought since you posted this yesterday and think I might just have a good response for you.

lets take out spitting for a moment and concentrate on the other `offences`. foot up tackles, elbows, they are in some form or another part of the game, yes the deliberate over the top tackle or elbow is bad, but occasionally you do get accidental tackles/elbows that do a lot of damage and sometimes its hard to discern whether a player meant to go in over the top or elbow a player. when it is clear that a player has done either of these deliberately then they do get punished as per the laws of the game.
pinching is something that is very hard to spot and is often used as a way of getting away from an opponent who is `shirt pulling` or (as in last nights game) `bear hugging`. now both shirt pulling and bear hugging are wrong and if the ref sees them he should award either a free kick or penalty, it should be completely taken out of the game in my view but unless the authorities act it is `part of the game`. as is `groin grabbing` and `dead legging` though I cant remember seeing many players trying to `dead leg` an opponent.
I have often said that there should be 2 more linesmen per game, 2 per side. and maybe when there is a corner/free kick, which is when most of those offences take place, one of the linesmen should stand behind the goal line, like in European comps, to look for these offences. they would have to actually flag for them and give the ref help which I haven't seen the eufa ones do yet. would that help cut down these problems? it might do if ref acted and gave yellow and red cards out. I don't like it when a ref stops a corner from being taken so he can talk to some players who are doing this, let play go on and if he sees it give the correct decision.
now I think that covers most of it apart from spitting and biting.
spitting is just awful, who cant remember seeing Rijkaard spitting twice at rudi voller and seeing the flem dripping from his hair? I believe that fifa have strict rules on spitting and its an automatic ban if caught, I think I heard 8 games but cant be sure. one thing I do know is that a Serbian player got a 1yr worldwide ban for spitting at a ref during the 08 Olympics. to spit at another player or official is vile and disgusting but I think that deliberately biting another player is a lot worse.
to actually sink your teeth into a fellow professional is the lowest of the low in my book, lets not forget that this is the third time this player has done this. its not an accidental elbow or tackle that goes wrong it is a premeditated attack using your mouth/teeth as a weapon, it is in no way `part of the game`. to punish suarez with a worldwide 1yr ban would still be letting him off in my humble opinion, fines don't work on players nowadays as they have too much money. suarez should also be made to seek professional help before he is allowed to play again. if he then bites another player a lifetime ban should be imposed, and he should be made fully aware of that.
these are of course just my opinions and others will think differently. the only opinion that counts at the moment is that of the fifa disciplinary committee. I just hope they come down on him like a ton (a British ton not a metric tonne) of bricks. we cant have kids watching this behaviour and thinking its ok to copy in the parks and streets.
Good idea about awarding penalties for shirt pulling and holding back in the area,but I don't think you would even need to employ extra linesmen,because these incidents take place at every corner,and free kick outside the area,so it just needs the officials to have the bottle to award penalties every time they spot it,which would be every time,and so what if the results went up to 7-6 or 10-10,every game,the players would soon get the message.
As for spitting,I think that is equally as bad as biting,because not only is it disgusting,which goes without saying,but in most societies around the world,it is regarded as an insult.
With regards to elbowing,feet up tackles,and biting,in any other walk of life,these would be regarded as assaults against the person,and should not be regarded as any less of an offence,just because the perpetrators have stepped over the white line of a football pitch.Again,a couple of high profile cases,leading to a conviction,would soon put out the message that no one is above the law,not even millionaire footballers.
absolutely but the idea of an extra linesman is to give another set of eyes looking at all of the players, refs cant see everything no mater how good they are. again though unless they are willing to act on the offences then nothing will change.

with the assaults on a pitch, if during a game a fan ran on the pitch and kicked a player or spat or elbowed etc a player then they would face the full force of the law. We see bad tackles all the time in football and most while reckless are more often harmless enough. Of course there are a few that end with injuries and sometimes even broken bones but mostly players don't try to deliberately injure other players. there are of course exceptions, roy keane ended a players career on purpose but he wasn't punished, why? he even admitted that he did it in his book. should suarez be charged with assault for biting? well that's down to the local police and whether a complaint is made by the Italian.
what was the difference between Suarez's racial abuse and the john terry case? terry was dealt with in the courts and cleared but then given a 4 game ban by the fa yet suarez was never dealt with by the police or courts, and you have to wonder why. suarez got double the ban terry did but the authorities were never involved.
I wouldn't want the police/courts involved in everything that goes on, on a football pitch but surely cases like this should be investigated.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: As I said yesterday, what exactly is it about biting that's worse than leg breaking studs up tackles, or elbows in the face, or pinching, headbutts, spitting, shirt pulling, groin grabbing, and dead legging? In everyones mind there is clearly a line that has been crossed. From the playground upward, there is a unique view on biting. I dont pretend to understand it but I feel it too. and of course we just dont like Suarez. But the question of balanced punishment will be the measure of the inquiry, if there is one. If we are not careful we will allow the press and media to simply be the judges, not the proper authorities. Suarez deserves punishing,but you'd think he was on death row the way things look in the papers. I don't like him, even before I met him I didn't like him, you love him compared to how much I dislike him. ...... but lets not make ourselves worse by being even worse savages about the punsihment.[/p][/quote]right Mr dad I have given this a fair bit of thought since you posted this yesterday and think I might just have a good response for you. lets take out spitting for a moment and concentrate on the other `offences`. foot up tackles, elbows, they are in some form or another part of the game, yes the deliberate over the top tackle or elbow is bad, but occasionally you do get accidental tackles/elbows that do a lot of damage and sometimes its hard to discern whether a player meant to go in over the top or elbow a player. when it is clear that a player has done either of these deliberately then they do get punished as per the laws of the game. pinching is something that is very hard to spot and is often used as a way of getting away from an opponent who is `shirt pulling` or (as in last nights game) `bear hugging`. now both shirt pulling and bear hugging are wrong and if the ref sees them he should award either a free kick or penalty, it should be completely taken out of the game in my view but unless the authorities act it is `part of the game`. as is `groin grabbing` and `dead legging` though I cant remember seeing many players trying to `dead leg` an opponent. I have often said that there should be 2 more linesmen per game, 2 per side. and maybe when there is a corner/free kick, which is when most of those offences take place, one of the linesmen should stand behind the goal line, like in European comps, to look for these offences. they would have to actually flag for them and give the ref help which I haven't seen the eufa ones do yet. would that help cut down these problems? it might do if ref acted and gave yellow and red cards out. I don't like it when a ref stops a corner from being taken so he can talk to some players who are doing this, let play go on and if he sees it give the correct decision. now I think that covers most of it apart from spitting and biting. spitting is just awful, who cant remember seeing Rijkaard spitting twice at rudi voller and seeing the flem dripping from his hair? I believe that fifa have strict rules on spitting and its an automatic ban if caught, I think I heard 8 games but cant be sure. one thing I do know is that a Serbian player got a 1yr worldwide ban for spitting at a ref during the 08 Olympics. to spit at another player or official is vile and disgusting but I think that deliberately biting another player is a lot worse. to actually sink your teeth into a fellow professional is the lowest of the low in my book, lets not forget that this is the third time this player has done this. its not an accidental elbow or tackle that goes wrong it is a premeditated attack using your mouth/teeth as a weapon, it is in no way `part of the game`. to punish suarez with a worldwide 1yr ban would still be letting him off in my humble opinion, fines don't work on players nowadays as they have too much money. suarez should also be made to seek professional help before he is allowed to play again. if he then bites another player a lifetime ban should be imposed, and he should be made fully aware of that. these are of course just my opinions and others will think differently. the only opinion that counts at the moment is that of the fifa disciplinary committee. I just hope they come down on him like a ton (a British ton not a metric tonne) of bricks. we cant have kids watching this behaviour and thinking its ok to copy in the parks and streets.[/p][/quote]Good idea about awarding penalties for shirt pulling and holding back in the area,but I don't think you would even need to employ extra linesmen,because these incidents take place at every corner,and free kick outside the area,so it just needs the officials to have the bottle to award penalties every time they spot it,which would be every time,and so what if the results went up to 7-6 or 10-10,every game,the players would soon get the message. As for spitting,I think that is equally as bad as biting,because not only is it disgusting,which goes without saying,but in most societies around the world,it is regarded as an insult. With regards to elbowing,feet up tackles,and biting,in any other walk of life,these would be regarded as assaults against the person,and should not be regarded as any less of an offence,just because the perpetrators have stepped over the white line of a football pitch.Again,a couple of high profile cases,leading to a conviction,would soon put out the message that no one is above the law,not even millionaire footballers.[/p][/quote]absolutely but the idea of an extra linesman is to give another set of eyes looking at all of the players, refs cant see everything no mater how good they are. again though unless they are willing to act on the offences then nothing will change. with the assaults on a pitch, if during a game a fan ran on the pitch and kicked a player or spat or elbowed etc a player then they would face the full force of the law. We see bad tackles all the time in football and most while reckless are more often harmless enough. Of course there are a few that end with injuries and sometimes even broken bones but mostly players don't try to deliberately injure other players. there are of course exceptions, roy keane ended a players career on purpose but he wasn't punished, why? he even admitted that he did it in his book. should suarez be charged with assault for biting? well that's down to the local police and whether a complaint is made by the Italian. what was the difference between Suarez's racial abuse and the john terry case? terry was dealt with in the courts and cleared but then given a 4 game ban by the fa yet suarez was never dealt with by the police or courts, and you have to wonder why. suarez got double the ban terry did but the authorities were never involved. I wouldn't want the police/courts involved in everything that goes on, on a football pitch but surely cases like this should be investigated. de Heiligen paard 101
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3:05pm Thu 26 Jun 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

suarez given 4 month worldwide ban, 9 game international ban and stadium ban for the length of the ban, fine of £657k!
not sure when the 4 month ban starts but if immediate and is calendar months he would miss 9 prem games
suarez given 4 month worldwide ban, 9 game international ban and stadium ban for the length of the ban, fine of £657k! not sure when the 4 month ban starts but if immediate and is calendar months he would miss 9 prem games de Heiligen paard 101
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3:07pm Thu 26 Jun 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
suarez given 4 month worldwide ban, 9 game international ban and stadium ban for the length of the ban, fine of £657k!
not sure when the 4 month ban starts but if immediate and is calendar months he would miss 9 prem games
sorry its a £65.7k fine so not even a weeks wages!
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: suarez given 4 month worldwide ban, 9 game international ban and stadium ban for the length of the ban, fine of £657k! not sure when the 4 month ban starts but if immediate and is calendar months he would miss 9 prem games[/p][/quote]sorry its a £65.7k fine so not even a weeks wages! de Heiligen paard 101
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3:20pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
suarez given 4 month worldwide ban, 9 game international ban and stadium ban for the length of the ban, fine of £657k!
not sure when the 4 month ban starts but if immediate and is calendar months he would miss 9 prem games
sorry its a £65.7k fine so not even a weeks wages!
If that's IT, then FIFA can - as usual - go and f*** themselves!

I wouldn't do it personally, but if some evil thug ran into him in the street, sliced his balls off and broke both his legs before emptying his bank account, I'd still feel he got away lightly.

Let's put this into context, if you or I did it to a copper in the street three times, we'd be serving time inside.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: suarez given 4 month worldwide ban, 9 game international ban and stadium ban for the length of the ban, fine of £657k! not sure when the 4 month ban starts but if immediate and is calendar months he would miss 9 prem games[/p][/quote]sorry its a £65.7k fine so not even a weeks wages![/p][/quote]If that's IT, then FIFA can - as usual - go and f*** themselves! I wouldn't do it personally, but if some evil thug ran into him in the street, sliced his balls off and broke both his legs before emptying his bank account, I'd still feel he got away lightly. Let's put this into context, if you or I did it to a copper in the street three times, we'd be serving time inside. Strasbourg Saint
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5:41pm Thu 26 Jun 14

lowe esteem says...

Alicesdad wrote:
Good Afternoon de Heiligen paard 101 .. thanks for such a comprehensive reply and I am honoured to be treated to such a well thought out and articulated response.

For the most part I agree with nearly all your sentiments.

My core point though is that biting is simply one more nasty offence and as such should have some documented specification so it can be punished clearly and without undue influence created by the press or because a particular player is unpopular. .. and thats it really ... there really shouldn't be this press fuelled witch hunt. There should be a clearly specified punishment for this offence and it should be applied to Suarez, quickly. I'm not sure if it should be a cumulative punishment with increasing penalties for repeat offences, thats another debate. The question we face is how to stop this .. clearly the current governance and regulations are inadequate and that must be addressed.

Thats my rational view for my comments.

My irrational view is simply that I dont like him.
That's not irrational, what's to like?
Especially after this nation's football public had 'forgiven' him his previous indiscretions.
Brilliant Specsavers ad on page 20 of today's Echo.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Good Afternoon de Heiligen paard 101 .. thanks for such a comprehensive reply and I am honoured to be treated to such a well thought out and articulated response. For the most part I agree with nearly all your sentiments. My core point though is that biting is simply one more nasty offence and as such should have some documented specification so it can be punished clearly and without undue influence created by the press or because a particular player is unpopular. .. and thats it really ... there really shouldn't be this press fuelled witch hunt. There should be a clearly specified punishment for this offence and it should be applied to Suarez, quickly. I'm not sure if it should be a cumulative punishment with increasing penalties for repeat offences, thats another debate. The question we face is how to stop this .. clearly the current governance and regulations are inadequate and that must be addressed. Thats my rational view for my comments. My irrational view is simply that I dont like him.[/p][/quote]That's not irrational, what's to like? Especially after this nation's football public had 'forgiven' him his previous indiscretions. Brilliant Specsavers ad on page 20 of today's Echo. lowe esteem
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