Lallana and Shaw make history as England draw with Costa Rica

Basingstoke Gazette: Adam Lallana in action against Costa Rica Adam Lallana in action against Costa Rica

Adam Lallana and Luke Shaw made history as they became the first Saints players to start together for England at the World Cup this evening.

Lallana played just over an hour while Shaw was given the full 90 minutes as England's dismal World Cup campaign ended in a fittingly underwhelming fashion as Roy Hodgson's men laboured to a dull goalless draw against Costa Rica.

Daniel Sturridge was guilty of missing three good chances, although he should have been awarded a penalty when he was hacked down by Oscar Duerte in the first half.

Ben Foster tipped Celso Borges' free-kick on to the bar, but other than that Costa Rica - who qualify as winners - rarely tested England's stand-in goalkeeper.

That said, there was nothing really threatening about England either during this often-dour 90-minute affair in Belo Horizonte.

In fact, the atmosphere inside the Estadio Mineirao was more like that of a pre-season friendly.

England's fans started off by cheering their team loudly, and the likes of Luke Shaw, Adam Lallana and the impressive Jack Wilshere responded with good performances.

But by the end there was a flat feeling among the few thousand who had come to Belo Horizonte for this dead rubber.

It was easy to see why they were down in the doldrums. England have vastly under-performed at this tournament.

They head home having amassed just one point from their three matches - that is England's worst points total in World Cup history.

Manager Roy Hodgson may have the backing of his employers, but he knows he needs better performances to justify his claim that England will not suffer another early exit at Euro 2016.

Despite all the pre-match bluster from Hodgson on Monday, England started off slowly. In fact, they could not get hold of the ball.

For the first minute and a half, Costa Rica's noisy fans shouted "Ole" as England chased shadows in the lunchtime heat.

Within four minutes England were nearly behind. Randall Brenes found Joel Campbell on the edge of the box and his deflected looped up off Gary Cahill past Ben Foster's goal.

A few groans were heard as Chris Smalling sliced a simple pass out of play. Cahill needlessly punted the ball out moments later.

Finally, England came into the game courtesy of Wilshere, who beat two players and found Sturridge, but he dragged his shot just wide.

Shaw, the youngest England player to start a World Cup game since Michael Owen, showed no sign of nerves going forward, but he gave away a free-kick in a dangerous position.

Borges stepped up and bent a dipping shot over the wall and onto the bar via the fingertips of the athletic Foster.

The only other point of note in the dull first period came just before the half hour when a Ross Barkley touched James Milner's cross into the path of Sturridge. The Liverpool striker shaped to shoot, but Duarte brought him down with an out-stretched leg.

Referee Djamel Haimoudi waved play on, much to Sturridge's dismay.

Fortune favoured England in a move straight after the break. Shaw's shot looped straight into the path of Sturridge in the box, but the striker mis-controlled, allowing Costa Rica goalkeeper Keylor Navas to smother the ball.

Giancarlo Gonzalez dumped Barkley on the turf with a wrestling move, but Frank Lampard, appearing possibly for the last time in an England shirt, wasted the free-kick, driving straight into the wall.

Phil Jones, a few minutes after failing to control a simple pass, Jones then gave possession away inside his own half, but luckily for England Christian Bolanos shot straight at Foster.

Milner played a lovely one-two with Sturridge to set the striker free inside the box, but he curled an inch wide.

Hodgson tried to inject some life into his team by introducing Raheem Sterling.

The England support then demanded Wayne Rooney enter the pitch. Instead they got Steven Gerrard, who was cheered by the fans, who suspected this might be the captain's final England appearance.

Rooney finally came on with 15 minutes left.

The Manchester United striker attempted an audacious chip over Navas within minutes of his introduction. He also came within inches of turning home Lampard's cross in the dying minutes.

England kept on trying, but they could not beat Costa Rica - a team ranked below Scotland by FIFA.

The locals and the Costa Ricans inside the stadium joined forces to belittle England at the end, shouting "eliminado".

You do not have to be a multi-linguist to work out what that means.

And you do not have to be a genius to work out that this has been a sorry World Cup for England.

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7:34pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Thought we had a great chance until the subs, I switched to Costa Rica then.
Thought we had a great chance until the subs, I switched to Costa Rica then. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 8

7:43pm Tue 24 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Thought we had a great chance until the subs, I switched to Costa Rica then.
Why?
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Thought we had a great chance until the subs, I switched to Costa Rica then.[/p][/quote]Why? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

7:45pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Saint TGB says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Thought we had a great chance until the subs, I switched to Costa Rica then.
Seed, we were let down again by players from the North West. Why Lallana went off I do not know. Shaw played well and Scouser Lambert would have taken at least two of Sturridge's chances.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Thought we had a great chance until the subs, I switched to Costa Rica then.[/p][/quote]Seed, we were let down again by players from the North West. Why Lallana went off I do not know. Shaw played well and Scouser Lambert would have taken at least two of Sturridge's chances. Saint TGB
  • Score: 15

7:52pm Tue 24 Jun 14

george chivers says...

Shaw very good. Bad decision to sub Lallana, says Hodgson has
fixed ideas to substitutions and is not able to adjust to the dynamics of the play.
Shaw very good. Bad decision to sub Lallana, says Hodgson has fixed ideas to substitutions and is not able to adjust to the dynamics of the play. george chivers
  • Score: 9

7:55pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Confucious says...

Lallana was really coming on song and making chances - and then Woy subbed him. Very strange.
Lallana was really coming on song and making chances - and then Woy subbed him. Very strange. Confucious
  • Score: 21

7:59pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Saint TGB says...

Confucious wrote:
Lallana was really coming on song and making chances - and then Woy subbed him. Very strange.
And then he brought on Dad's Army.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Lallana was really coming on song and making chances - and then Woy subbed him. Very strange.[/p][/quote]And then he brought on Dad's Army. Saint TGB
  • Score: 12

8:00pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Confucious says...

The England players just don't seem hungry enough to me. By contrast, Suarez looked very hungry indeed tonight.
The England players just don't seem hungry enough to me. By contrast, Suarez looked very hungry indeed tonight. Confucious
  • Score: 32

8:03pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Saint TGB says...

I know this is hypothetical but I truly believe Saints would have beaten Italy, Uruguay and Costa Rica.
I know this is hypothetical but I truly believe Saints would have beaten Italy, Uruguay and Costa Rica. Saint TGB
  • Score: 8

8:19pm Tue 24 Jun 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

POSITIVES.

1. ADAM AND LUKE make History - as SOUTHAMPTON Players.

2. RON KOEMAN is Manager.

FOCUS ON CLUB FOOTBALL and the Season Ahead. Let's get our TOP SIGNINGS in the Squad.

No 1 KEEPER - TOP STRIKER - CB - PACY WINGER - COVER FOR TOP STRIKER.
POSITIVES. 1. ADAM AND LUKE make History - as SOUTHAMPTON Players. 2. RON KOEMAN is Manager. FOCUS ON CLUB FOOTBALL and the Season Ahead. Let's get our TOP SIGNINGS in the Squad. No 1 KEEPER - TOP STRIKER - CB - PACY WINGER - COVER FOR TOP STRIKER. The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 9

8:33pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Peter Godwin says...

If (when) Lallana goes we have to pay Bournemouth 25% despite having signed him at academy level. How come we never make clever deals like his? Look at the pittance we got for Bale.
If (when) Lallana goes we have to pay Bournemouth 25% despite having signed him at academy level. How come we never make clever deals like his? Look at the pittance we got for Bale. Peter Godwin
  • Score: 5

8:47pm Tue 24 Jun 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

I still cant believe that lalla was subbed for the headless chicken that is sterling! outrageous decision.
what is it with Wilshire? spent most of the game on the deck!
lampard did more today than gerrard did in 2 and a quarter games.
luke showed that he is better than baines.
why bring shrek on when rickie was sat on the bench?
the only reason that gerrard came on was to give him his final farewell, don't wait for him to retire drop him!
roy ran out of ideas again and just stuck shrek on in the hope of getting 3pts, rickie would have been by far the better choice.
is it just me that thinks something has happened to shreks face? botox anyone.
2 goals and 1 point from 3 games yet the pundits think we played well!
how many times are we going to hear that we are `building for the future`? savage has just said the most sensible thing I have ever heard him say, and that was basically to use the Southampton model, of every team playing the same way throughout the age groups, as the way forward for England. of course he didn't mention saints but we got the drift!
I still cant believe that lalla was subbed for the headless chicken that is sterling! outrageous decision. what is it with Wilshire? spent most of the game on the deck! lampard did more today than gerrard did in 2 and a quarter games. luke showed that he is better than baines. why bring shrek on when rickie was sat on the bench? the only reason that gerrard came on was to give him his final farewell, don't wait for him to retire drop him! roy ran out of ideas again and just stuck shrek on in the hope of getting 3pts, rickie would have been by far the better choice. is it just me that thinks something has happened to shreks face? botox anyone. 2 goals and 1 point from 3 games yet the pundits think we played well! how many times are we going to hear that we are `building for the future`? savage has just said the most sensible thing I have ever heard him say, and that was basically to use the Southampton model, of every team playing the same way throughout the age groups, as the way forward for England. of course he didn't mention saints but we got the drift! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 17

9:02pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Costa Baz says...

I still don't understand why pundits, like Hoddle, are surprised that Shaw is so good defensively.
They seem to look at him and think his game is all about charging down the wing, when in reality, his defensive ability is far superior to his attacking ability.

And it's that defensive ability, that will be the most difficult part, of his game, to replace, if he does go.
I still don't understand why pundits, like Hoddle, are surprised that Shaw is so good defensively. They seem to look at him and think his game is all about charging down the wing, when in reality, his defensive ability is far superior to his attacking ability. And it's that defensive ability, that will be the most difficult part, of his game, to replace, if he does go. Costa Baz
  • Score: 12

9:30pm Tue 24 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Peter Godwin wrote:
If (when) Lallana goes we have to pay Bournemouth 25% despite having signed him at academy level. How come we never make clever deals like his? Look at the pittance we got for Bale.
We had a good deal on Bale, but Lowe messed it up and we grabbed some instant cash just to survive.
[quote][p][bold]Peter Godwin[/bold] wrote: If (when) Lallana goes we have to pay Bournemouth 25% despite having signed him at academy level. How come we never make clever deals like his? Look at the pittance we got for Bale.[/p][/quote]We had a good deal on Bale, but Lowe messed it up and we grabbed some instant cash just to survive. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 7

9:45pm Tue 24 Jun 14

M.U.CS1 says...

And so the Southampton sales begin !!
And so the Southampton sales begin !! M.U.CS1
  • Score: -15

10:14pm Tue 24 Jun 14

brighton saint says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
And so the Southampton sales begin !!
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
zzzzzzzzzz....just like listening to Woy !!!!
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: And so the Southampton sales begin !![/p][/quote]zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzz....just like listening to Woy !!!! brighton saint
  • Score: 8

10:16pm Tue 24 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
And so the Southampton sales begin !!
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: And so the Southampton sales begin !![/p][/quote]Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 7

10:19pm Tue 24 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Shaw getting good reviews on the BBC web site £41m and rising..............
.
Shaw getting good reviews on the BBC web site £41m and rising.............. . OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 9

10:22pm Tue 24 Jun 14

search for truth says...

Roy Hodgson is a useless and should never have been given the job of England manager !
Roy Hodgson is a useless and should never have been given the job of England manager ! search for truth
  • Score: 3

10:39pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Thought we had a great chance until the subs, I switched to Costa Rica then.
Why?
Because we were doing ok with the future of England and then we brought on the past - Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney all on at the same time. That alone deserved a defeat.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Thought we had a great chance until the subs, I switched to Costa Rica then.[/p][/quote]Why?[/p][/quote]Because we were doing ok with the future of England and then we brought on the past - Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney all on at the same time. That alone deserved a defeat. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 10

11:07pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Home Rule for England says...

Lallana was too good for that team. He was in acres of space while the others played pass it back and forth and lose it. At one time he was in front of an open goal but Sturridge ignored him! As for not playing Lambert with Lallana maybe Roy was scared they might prove better than the Liverpool players and that would never do!
Lallana was too good for that team. He was in acres of space while the others played pass it back and forth and lose it. At one time he was in front of an open goal but Sturridge ignored him! As for not playing Lambert with Lallana maybe Roy was scared they might prove better than the Liverpool players and that would never do! Home Rule for England
  • Score: 9

11:23pm Tue 24 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Thought we had a great chance until the subs, I switched to Costa Rica then.
Why?
Because we were doing ok with the future of England and then we brought on the past - Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney all on at the same time. That alone deserved a defeat.
Didn't get a defeat though did we? Never had you down as a quitter, thought you were a through thick and thin type! I am as much disappointed with some of the spineless fans and their reactions. We never had anything more than a small chance to get through the Group stages anyway, there wasn't enough depth in the Squad and Roys selection policy just made it worse, in my opinion only.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Thought we had a great chance until the subs, I switched to Costa Rica then.[/p][/quote]Why?[/p][/quote]Because we were doing ok with the future of England and then we brought on the past - Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney all on at the same time. That alone deserved a defeat.[/p][/quote]Didn't get a defeat though did we? Never had you down as a quitter, thought you were a through thick and thin type! I am as much disappointed with some of the spineless fans and their reactions. We never had anything more than a small chance to get through the Group stages anyway, there wasn't enough depth in the Squad and Roys selection policy just made it worse, in my opinion only. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

11:25pm Tue 24 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

search for truth wrote:
Roy Hodgson is a useless and should never have been given the job of England manager !
In hindsight I agree with you for once.
[quote][p][bold]search for truth[/bold] wrote: Roy Hodgson is a useless and should never have been given the job of England manager ![/p][/quote]In hindsight I agree with you for once. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

11:27pm Tue 24 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
And so the Southampton sales begin !!
Apparently Manure have started first, Buttner to Moscow Dynamo, how much profit did they make on that deal I wonder?
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: And so the Southampton sales begin !![/p][/quote]Apparently Manure have started first, Buttner to Moscow Dynamo, how much profit did they make on that deal I wonder? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 4

12:44am Wed 25 Jun 14

Positively4thStreet says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
I still cant believe that lalla was subbed for the headless chicken that is sterling! outrageous decision.
what is it with Wilshire? spent most of the game on the deck!
lampard did more today than gerrard did in 2 and a quarter games.
luke showed that he is better than baines.
why bring shrek on when rickie was sat on the bench?
the only reason that gerrard came on was to give him his final farewell, don't wait for him to retire drop him!
roy ran out of ideas again and just stuck shrek on in the hope of getting 3pts, rickie would have been by far the better choice.
is it just me that thinks something has happened to shreks face? botox anyone.
2 goals and 1 point from 3 games yet the pundits think we played well!
how many times are we going to hear that we are `building for the future`? savage has just said the most sensible thing I have ever heard him say, and that was basically to use the Southampton model, of every team playing the same way throughout the age groups, as the way forward for England. of course he didn't mention saints but we got the drift!
Yeah,agree that this"building for the future" business is a load of tosh.Football clubs are constantly in transition,and re building,because people get old,and past their best,so change is inevitable, and doesn't necessarily herald an improvement in any teams fortunes.This applies even more to national sides than league sides,because national team coaches can only draw from what is available,rather than the open market available to league managers.Even Fergie would have trouble tinkering and tweeking with a national side.
We just have to accept that we have an average national side,which in all probability,will remain just that,unless something miraculous happens at the grass roots level of football in this country,which currently,is a highly unlikely scenario.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: I still cant believe that lalla was subbed for the headless chicken that is sterling! outrageous decision. what is it with Wilshire? spent most of the game on the deck! lampard did more today than gerrard did in 2 and a quarter games. luke showed that he is better than baines. why bring shrek on when rickie was sat on the bench? the only reason that gerrard came on was to give him his final farewell, don't wait for him to retire drop him! roy ran out of ideas again and just stuck shrek on in the hope of getting 3pts, rickie would have been by far the better choice. is it just me that thinks something has happened to shreks face? botox anyone. 2 goals and 1 point from 3 games yet the pundits think we played well! how many times are we going to hear that we are `building for the future`? savage has just said the most sensible thing I have ever heard him say, and that was basically to use the Southampton model, of every team playing the same way throughout the age groups, as the way forward for England. of course he didn't mention saints but we got the drift![/p][/quote]Yeah,agree that this"building for the future" business is a load of tosh.Football clubs are constantly in transition,and re building,because people get old,and past their best,so change is inevitable, and doesn't necessarily herald an improvement in any teams fortunes.This applies even more to national sides than league sides,because national team coaches can only draw from what is available,rather than the open market available to league managers.Even Fergie would have trouble tinkering and tweeking with a national side. We just have to accept that we have an average national side,which in all probability,will remain just that,unless something miraculous happens at the grass roots level of football in this country,which currently,is a highly unlikely scenario. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 5

4:13am Wed 25 Jun 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

LOOK

The Good News is that JUDAS walked - He never invested in a New Keeper or Striker knowing we needed both - He sold the Club short in the FA CUP when Wembley awaited - He will always be remembered for the DISGRACE of SUNDERLAND AWAY.

LONG LIVE RON KOEMAN.

On the Shopping List in Order L

1. Another Number 1 Keeper and a TOP STRIKER (Strike Rate 1.2 goals per game) for 20-30 Million.

2. COVER FOR TOP STRIKER - Need that so we are not reliant on One Player and go into SLUMP if he is injured. Lambo may have fitted the bill as an interim solution but for COMPASSION the Old Lion was put out to Grass with LFC. Buying a Top Striker froom the Championship may suffice to come on from the Bench and play as ciover in the League Cup.
Our Youth System producing a Striker is still in development.

3. NEED A CB - To provide competition in that position especially if Jose or Lovren get injured. A KEY POSITION.

4. Need an OPTION B and C / D / E .... A Pacy GOALSCORING Winger gives other Options to the GAFFER,
LOOK The Good News is that JUDAS walked - He never invested in a New Keeper or Striker knowing we needed both - He sold the Club short in the FA CUP when Wembley awaited - He will always be remembered for the DISGRACE of SUNDERLAND AWAY. LONG LIVE RON KOEMAN. On the Shopping List in Order L 1. Another Number 1 Keeper and a TOP STRIKER (Strike Rate 1.2 goals per game) for 20-30 Million. 2. COVER FOR TOP STRIKER - Need that so we are not reliant on One Player and go into SLUMP if he is injured. Lambo may have fitted the bill as an interim solution but for COMPASSION the Old Lion was put out to Grass with LFC. Buying a Top Striker froom the Championship may suffice to come on from the Bench and play as ciover in the League Cup. Our Youth System producing a Striker is still in development. 3. NEED A CB - To provide competition in that position especially if Jose or Lovren get injured. A KEY POSITION. 4. Need an OPTION B and C / D / E .... A Pacy GOALSCORING Winger gives other Options to the GAFFER, The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 3

4:21am Wed 25 Jun 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

WE KEEP OUR PLAYERS ...

IF WE end up flush with Cash ...

MAKE A BID AND GET ROSS BARKLEY - that's the type and quality of Player that we have at THIS CLUB.

WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON
WE KEEP OUR PLAYERS ... IF WE end up flush with Cash ... MAKE A BID AND GET ROSS BARKLEY - that's the type and quality of Player that we have at THIS CLUB. WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: -1

6:39am Wed 25 Jun 14

Buddy SFC says...

Strangely Quiet from our Liverpuddle friends ........ No money to pay for all these reputed new signings and their Top player staring down the barrel of a 1 year ban making him unsellable and unplayable ............

The Season is looking brighter by the day !!
Strangely Quiet from our Liverpuddle friends ........ No money to pay for all these reputed new signings and their Top player staring down the barrel of a 1 year ban making him unsellable and unplayable ............ The Season is looking brighter by the day !! Buddy SFC
  • Score: 7

7:07am Wed 25 Jun 14

saint christopher says...

England toothless (unlike Uruguay).

Shaw and Lallana finally given time to show why they should have played from the start. Unfortunately Roy couldn't seem to understand that the way he's enjoyed seeing Saints play is not by having players stifled in their own little boxes with no support or pressing of opponents.

Good article yesterday by Neil Ashton of Daily Mail (yes, it was good) saying Roy is just an FA safe pair of hands who has made England an international WBA with no expectations other than to survive. Spot on.

Final thought - am I the only one gutted for Lambert? Sturridge, like Rooney last match, missing absolute sitters, and with 10 minutes left who does he bring on? The lumbering oaf again, leaving Rickie glued to the bench. Disgraceful. At least he can now look forward to being Pool's main striker. Serves them right - striker worth £65m suddenly become worthless overnight. Serves them right.
England toothless (unlike Uruguay). Shaw and Lallana finally given time to show why they should have played from the start. Unfortunately Roy couldn't seem to understand that the way he's enjoyed seeing Saints play is not by having players stifled in their own little boxes with no support or pressing of opponents. Good article yesterday by Neil Ashton of Daily Mail (yes, it was good) saying Roy is just an FA safe pair of hands who has made England an international WBA with no expectations other than to survive. Spot on. Final thought - am I the only one gutted for Lambert? Sturridge, like Rooney last match, missing absolute sitters, and with 10 minutes left who does he bring on? The lumbering oaf again, leaving Rickie glued to the bench. Disgraceful. At least he can now look forward to being Pool's main striker. Serves them right - striker worth £65m suddenly become worthless overnight. Serves them right. saint christopher
  • Score: 9

7:16am Wed 25 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Thought we had a great chance until the subs, I switched to Costa Rica then.
Why?
Because we were doing ok with the future of England and then we brought on the past - Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney all on at the same time. That alone deserved a defeat.
Didn't get a defeat though did we? Never had you down as a quitter, thought you were a through thick and thin type! I am as much disappointed with some of the spineless fans and their reactions. We never had anything more than a small chance to get through the Group stages anyway, there wasn't enough depth in the Squad and Roys selection policy just made it worse, in my opinion only.
Nothing to do with being a quitter. I wanted England to be punished for making such glaring errors with the subs in the hope they learned from it. You do realise Woy may yet pick Lampard, Gerrard or Rooney in the Euro qualifiers?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Thought we had a great chance until the subs, I switched to Costa Rica then.[/p][/quote]Why?[/p][/quote]Because we were doing ok with the future of England and then we brought on the past - Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney all on at the same time. That alone deserved a defeat.[/p][/quote]Didn't get a defeat though did we? Never had you down as a quitter, thought you were a through thick and thin type! I am as much disappointed with some of the spineless fans and their reactions. We never had anything more than a small chance to get through the Group stages anyway, there wasn't enough depth in the Squad and Roys selection policy just made it worse, in my opinion only.[/p][/quote]Nothing to do with being a quitter. I wanted England to be punished for making such glaring errors with the subs in the hope they learned from it. You do realise Woy may yet pick Lampard, Gerrard or Rooney in the Euro qualifiers? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 9

7:24am Wed 25 Jun 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote: Thought we had a great chance until the subs, I switched to Costa Rica then.
Why?
Because we were doing ok with the future of England and then we brought on the past - Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney all on at the same time. That alone deserved a defeat.
Didn't get a defeat though did we? Never had you down as a quitter, thought you were a through thick and thin type! I am as much disappointed with some of the spineless fans and their reactions. We never had anything more than a small chance to get through the Group stages anyway, there wasn't enough depth in the Squad and Roys selection policy just made it worse, in my opinion only.
Nothing to do with being a quitter. I wanted England to be punished for making such glaring errors with the subs in the hope they learned from it. You do realise Woy may yet pick Lampard, Gerrard or Rooney in the Euro qualifiers?
NO Lamps Gerrard Lambert or Rooney for EUROS.

As Germany have done previously - start with fresh new energetic Players ready to FIGHT AND WIN.

PROMOTE JROD and JWP for ENGLAND.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Thought we had a great chance until the subs, I switched to Costa Rica then.[/p][/quote]Why?[/p][/quote]Because we were doing ok with the future of England and then we brought on the past - Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney all on at the same time. That alone deserved a defeat.[/p][/quote]Didn't get a defeat though did we? Never had you down as a quitter, thought you were a through thick and thin type! I am as much disappointed with some of the spineless fans and their reactions. We never had anything more than a small chance to get through the Group stages anyway, there wasn't enough depth in the Squad and Roys selection policy just made it worse, in my opinion only.[/p][/quote]Nothing to do with being a quitter. I wanted England to be punished for making such glaring errors with the subs in the hope they learned from it. You do realise Woy may yet pick Lampard, Gerrard or Rooney in the Euro qualifiers?[/p][/quote]NO Lamps Gerrard Lambert or Rooney for EUROS. As Germany have done previously - start with fresh new energetic Players ready to FIGHT AND WIN. PROMOTE JROD and JWP for ENGLAND. The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 7

7:32am Wed 25 Jun 14

NC Fan4Life says...

Finally our Saints showed what England have been missing but the other England players missed Adam's runs into space and just passed back or gave the ball away. Why Adam was subbed and not bringing Ricky on just shows that Woy doesn't know how to play to his players strengths.

We don't have enough bite in the team, so Suarez says !!
Finally our Saints showed what England have been missing but the other England players missed Adam's runs into space and just passed back or gave the ball away. Why Adam was subbed and not bringing Ricky on just shows that Woy doesn't know how to play to his players strengths. We don't have enough bite in the team, so Suarez says !! NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 6

7:37am Wed 25 Jun 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

saint christopher wrote:
England toothless (unlike Uruguay). Shaw and Lallana finally given time to show why they should have played from the start. Unfortunately Roy couldn't seem to understand that the way he's enjoyed seeing Saints play is not by having players stifled in their own little boxes with no support or pressing of opponents. Good article yesterday by Neil Ashton of Daily Mail (yes, it was good) saying Roy is just an FA safe pair of hands who has made England an international WBA with no expectations other than to survive. Spot on. Final thought - am I the only one gutted for Lambert? Sturridge, like Rooney last match, missing absolute sitters, and with 10 minutes left who does he bring on? The lumbering oaf again, leaving Rickie glued to the bench. Disgraceful. At least he can now look forward to being Pool's main striker. Serves them right - striker worth £65m suddenly become worthless overnight. Serves them right.
GOOD NEWS about Suarez then.

WE AIM to finish above LFC in the League then.

NICE SENTIMENT about Lambo. His legs would not last as the Main Striker game after game - and with hardly making double figures - LFC will be struggling next Season.

LOL :O)
[quote][p][bold]saint christopher[/bold] wrote: England toothless (unlike Uruguay). Shaw and Lallana finally given time to show why they should have played from the start. Unfortunately Roy couldn't seem to understand that the way he's enjoyed seeing Saints play is not by having players stifled in their own little boxes with no support or pressing of opponents. Good article yesterday by Neil Ashton of Daily Mail (yes, it was good) saying Roy is just an FA safe pair of hands who has made England an international WBA with no expectations other than to survive. Spot on. Final thought - am I the only one gutted for Lambert? Sturridge, like Rooney last match, missing absolute sitters, and with 10 minutes left who does he bring on? The lumbering oaf again, leaving Rickie glued to the bench. Disgraceful. At least he can now look forward to being Pool's main striker. Serves them right - striker worth £65m suddenly become worthless overnight. Serves them right.[/p][/quote]GOOD NEWS about Suarez then. WE AIM to finish above LFC in the League then. NICE SENTIMENT about Lambo. His legs would not last as the Main Striker game after game - and with hardly making double figures - LFC will be struggling next Season. LOL :O) The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 3

8:00am Wed 25 Jun 14

george chivers says...

george chivers wrote:
Shaw very good. Bad decision to sub Lallana, says Hodgson has
fixed ideas to substitutions and is not able to adjust to the dynamics of the play.
Or it was a political decision to stop the Shaw/Lallana combination embarrassing him.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Shaw very good. Bad decision to sub Lallana, says Hodgson has fixed ideas to substitutions and is not able to adjust to the dynamics of the play.[/p][/quote]Or it was a political decision to stop the Shaw/Lallana combination embarrassing him. george chivers
  • Score: 8

8:10am Wed 25 Jun 14

NC Fan4Life says...

Good showing from both our Saints when given the opportunity, subbing Adam was a mystery but it did keep him fit for us.

I expect Ronko will tell them both to stay but if not then it was a good decision not to sell before the World Cup as both their values have gone up.
Good showing from both our Saints when given the opportunity, subbing Adam was a mystery but it did keep him fit for us. I expect Ronko will tell them both to stay but if not then it was a good decision not to sell before the World Cup as both their values have gone up. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 4

8:14am Wed 25 Jun 14

swisssaint86 says...

I thought England where useless yesterday. The lad's could not even get the basics right, I mean, how many times did they lose possession from throw-ins, you only have to throw the ball to the feet of a player who has the same color shirt as you FFS!
We kept passing the ball backwards and there were far too many individuals on display, Barkley and Sterling show promise but they need to learn when and where to run with the ball. So my questions is, what have the England staff been doing behind the scenes all these weeks?
There is not one single world class player in our squad, not one! The defense is shocking! Especially Smalling and Jones, I hope Van Gaal demotes these guys to the reserves when he get's to Man U because I really don't want to see them pull on an England shirt for the next 10 years.
I thought that Luke was solid, although a bit quiet in the first half, he looked better in the second half but just had no options available to him.
As for Adam, well, if Sturridge would have passed to him when he was free in the box, i'm persuaded he would have scored a world cup goal! Why he got taken off is a mystery to me.
All in all, a disappointing effort from England.
Looking forward to the euros are you? hahaha! Do you really think that England will be better than Holland, Germany, France, Italy, Spain. I don't think so,
I thought England where useless yesterday. The lad's could not even get the basics right, I mean, how many times did they lose possession from throw-ins, you only have to throw the ball to the feet of a player who has the same color shirt as you FFS! We kept passing the ball backwards and there were far too many individuals on display, Barkley and Sterling show promise but they need to learn when and where to run with the ball. So my questions is, what have the England staff been doing behind the scenes all these weeks? There is not one single world class player in our squad, not one! The defense is shocking! Especially Smalling and Jones, I hope Van Gaal demotes these guys to the reserves when he get's to Man U because I really don't want to see them pull on an England shirt for the next 10 years. I thought that Luke was solid, although a bit quiet in the first half, he looked better in the second half but just had no options available to him. As for Adam, well, if Sturridge would have passed to him when he was free in the box, i'm persuaded he would have scored a world cup goal! Why he got taken off is a mystery to me. All in all, a disappointing effort from England. Looking forward to the euros are you? hahaha! Do you really think that England will be better than Holland, Germany, France, Italy, Spain. I don't think so, swisssaint86
  • Score: 7

8:20am Wed 25 Jun 14

NewForestStu says...

Peter Godwin wrote:
If (when) Lallana goes we have to pay Bournemouth 25% despite having signed him at academy level. How come we never make clever deals like his? Look at the pittance we got for Bale.
We were financially crippled when Bale left us. Two completely different scenarios. IF Shaw goes then yes there should be a sell on clause on this deal as we dont need to sell.
[quote][p][bold]Peter Godwin[/bold] wrote: If (when) Lallana goes we have to pay Bournemouth 25% despite having signed him at academy level. How come we never make clever deals like his? Look at the pittance we got for Bale.[/p][/quote]We were financially crippled when Bale left us. Two completely different scenarios. IF Shaw goes then yes there should be a sell on clause on this deal as we dont need to sell. NewForestStu
  • Score: 3

8:28am Wed 25 Jun 14

Saint Jinx says...

Firstly on the subject of Suarez, it is a well-known fact that the dividing line between pure genius and insanity is very thin. Shame - but there you go!
Secondly, talking about insanity, why did buffoon Hodgson take off Lallana. What is the point of bringing on Rooney and Gerrard for the sake of sentiment - or is Roy intimidated by them.
Bringing on Gerrard was disrespectful to Lampard who always portrays himself in an intelligent and confident manner and we know they cannot play together . It was disrespectful and silly to take off Lallana and RL should have been given a few minutes.
Roy said that he wanted everyone to become involved, I thought.

I thought, objectively mind you, that Lallana and Shaw were brilliant.
Firstly on the subject of Suarez, it is a well-known fact that the dividing line between pure genius and insanity is very thin. Shame - but there you go! Secondly, talking about insanity, why did buffoon Hodgson take off Lallana. What is the point of bringing on Rooney and Gerrard for the sake of sentiment - or is Roy intimidated by them. Bringing on Gerrard was disrespectful to Lampard who always portrays himself in an intelligent and confident manner and we know they cannot play together . It was disrespectful and silly to take off Lallana and RL should have been given a few minutes. Roy said that he wanted everyone to become involved, I thought. I thought, objectively mind you, that Lallana and Shaw were brilliant. Saint Jinx
  • Score: 3

8:33am Wed 25 Jun 14

Home Rule for England says...

george chivers wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Shaw very good. Bad decision to sub Lallana, says Hodgson has
fixed ideas to substitutions and is not able to adjust to the dynamics of the play.
Or it was a political decision to stop the Shaw/Lallana combination embarrassing him.
I think it was. Lambert is a player who doesn't keep tripping over his own feet. With the three of them linking up England would have blasted at least two past Costa Rica.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Shaw very good. Bad decision to sub Lallana, says Hodgson has fixed ideas to substitutions and is not able to adjust to the dynamics of the play.[/p][/quote]Or it was a political decision to stop the Shaw/Lallana combination embarrassing him.[/p][/quote]I think it was. Lambert is a player who doesn't keep tripping over his own feet. With the three of them linking up England would have blasted at least two past Costa Rica. Home Rule for England
  • Score: 3

8:40am Wed 25 Jun 14

Saint Jinx says...

Confucious wrote:
The England players just don't seem hungry enough to me. By contrast, Suarez looked very hungry indeed tonight.
That is quite funny!
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: The England players just don't seem hungry enough to me. By contrast, Suarez looked very hungry indeed tonight.[/p][/quote]That is quite funny! Saint Jinx
  • Score: 2

9:20am Wed 25 Jun 14

saintlysoul says...

Thought Shaw did well. I agree with a lot of the posts that the decision to sub Lallana was peculiar. Why didn't Lambert start? Why play Sturridge if most of the team is being changed. What we take from this World Cup has to be confirmation tHat the foreign players in the English game are ruining the national side, in addition to the fact that the England set up is very 'clicky' that players are played for who they are rather than whether they are on form. Is it suggested that the likes of Wilshire, Lampard and Gerrard did a better job over the 3 games than Jack Cork would have done? JWP who had a good tournament for the under 20s in Toulon this summer I think will be pushed on now to the full England squad but my concern is he won't be developed at Southampton and why? Because Shnedelin and Wanyama stand in his way and I read this morning that saints are considering buying a Dutch midfielder. Sorry, but foreign owners, foreign managers, and foreign players have ruined the national team.
Thought Shaw did well. I agree with a lot of the posts that the decision to sub Lallana was peculiar. Why didn't Lambert start? Why play Sturridge if most of the team is being changed. What we take from this World Cup has to be confirmation tHat the foreign players in the English game are ruining the national side, in addition to the fact that the England set up is very 'clicky' that players are played for who they are rather than whether they are on form. Is it suggested that the likes of Wilshire, Lampard and Gerrard did a better job over the 3 games than Jack Cork would have done? JWP who had a good tournament for the under 20s in Toulon this summer I think will be pushed on now to the full England squad but my concern is he won't be developed at Southampton and why? Because Shnedelin and Wanyama stand in his way and I read this morning that saints are considering buying a Dutch midfielder. Sorry, but foreign owners, foreign managers, and foreign players have ruined the national team. saintlysoul
  • Score: 0

9:23am Wed 25 Jun 14

Saint Jinx says...

At least they can't say it can't get any worse because it can - no points and no goals.
At least they can't say it can't get any worse because it can - no points and no goals. Saint Jinx
  • Score: 1

9:30am Wed 25 Jun 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Thought we had a great chance until the subs, I switched to Costa Rica then.
Why?
Because we were doing ok with the future of England and then we brought on the past - Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney all on at the same time. That alone deserved a defeat.
Didn't get a defeat though did we? Never had you down as a quitter, thought you were a through thick and thin type! I am as much disappointed with some of the spineless fans and their reactions. We never had anything more than a small chance to get through the Group stages anyway, there wasn't enough depth in the Squad and Roys selection policy just made it worse, in my opinion only.
Nothing to do with being a quitter. I wanted England to be punished for making such glaring errors with the subs in the hope they learned from it. You do realise Woy may yet pick Lampard, Gerrard or Rooney in the Euro qualifiers?
I`m with seed all the way here.
roy took lalla off just when he was taking the game by the scruff of the neck. great run, spotted by luke, and a great cross which the keeper did well to stop, and then 2 minutes later he is taken off? why, well to bring on sterling who yet again lost the ball all of the time. he needs to learn that running full pace all the time means nothing, he needs to pass the ball instead of taking on 3 defenders and losing it!
gerrard coming on was a joke and was just made to give him his final farewell, well he got that against Uruguay when his mistakes cost us.
rooney has done nothing in another world cup, that's 3 now with 1 goal! why didn't roy either start or bring on rickie? how many of those sitters that sturridge missed would rickie have scored from? strurridge looks good at diverpool, but he has one of the greatest players in the world making him look better than he actually is. another player who needs to pass the ball instead of always looking for individual glory! perhaps that's englands problem, they are in it for individual glory not for the team.
pointless subs that set the team back.
we were awful in the first 2 games and for whatever reason roy made changes, we then looked a better team until roy brought off the better players for the old guard and a headless chicken. we then looked the same old useless team as before.

roy took a good squad, not great, with some exciting youngsters. yet when it came down to it he stuck with the old guard and mancypool players.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Thought we had a great chance until the subs, I switched to Costa Rica then.[/p][/quote]Why?[/p][/quote]Because we were doing ok with the future of England and then we brought on the past - Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney all on at the same time. That alone deserved a defeat.[/p][/quote]Didn't get a defeat though did we? Never had you down as a quitter, thought you were a through thick and thin type! I am as much disappointed with some of the spineless fans and their reactions. We never had anything more than a small chance to get through the Group stages anyway, there wasn't enough depth in the Squad and Roys selection policy just made it worse, in my opinion only.[/p][/quote]Nothing to do with being a quitter. I wanted England to be punished for making such glaring errors with the subs in the hope they learned from it. You do realise Woy may yet pick Lampard, Gerrard or Rooney in the Euro qualifiers?[/p][/quote]I`m with seed all the way here. roy took lalla off just when he was taking the game by the scruff of the neck. great run, spotted by luke, and a great cross which the keeper did well to stop, and then 2 minutes later he is taken off? why, well to bring on sterling who yet again lost the ball all of the time. he needs to learn that running full pace all the time means nothing, he needs to pass the ball instead of taking on 3 defenders and losing it! gerrard coming on was a joke and was just made to give him his final farewell, well he got that against Uruguay when his mistakes cost us. rooney has done nothing in another world cup, that's 3 now with 1 goal! why didn't roy either start or bring on rickie? how many of those sitters that sturridge missed would rickie have scored from? strurridge looks good at diverpool, but he has one of the greatest players in the world making him look better than he actually is. another player who needs to pass the ball instead of always looking for individual glory! perhaps that's englands problem, they are in it for individual glory not for the team. pointless subs that set the team back. we were awful in the first 2 games and for whatever reason roy made changes, we then looked a better team until roy brought off the better players for the old guard and a headless chicken. we then looked the same old useless team as before. roy took a good squad, not great, with some exciting youngsters. yet when it came down to it he stuck with the old guard and mancypool players. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 2

9:40am Wed 25 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Thought we had a great chance until the subs, I switched to Costa Rica then.
Why?
Because we were doing ok with the future of England and then we brought on the past - Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney all on at the same time. That alone deserved a defeat.
Didn't get a defeat though did we? Never had you down as a quitter, thought you were a through thick and thin type! I am as much disappointed with some of the spineless fans and their reactions. We never had anything more than a small chance to get through the Group stages anyway, there wasn't enough depth in the Squad and Roys selection policy just made it worse, in my opinion only.
Nothing to do with being a quitter. I wanted England to be punished for making such glaring errors with the subs in the hope they learned from it. You do realise Woy may yet pick Lampard, Gerrard or Rooney in the Euro qualifiers?
I am as puzzled as you are about what went on, when you say you wanted 'England' to be punished, I am not sure about what particular part of England you mean, is it the inept Management, the poor application of the players or the supporters that need to be the scapegoats in all of this. I think it has to start from the top, but I won't withdraw my support for my Country, for it's players or the people that run the team.
I hope the lessons learned will lead to changes from the top, downwards. I refuse to believe that there isn't someone out there that can manage the team to success, Roy is a nice bloke, but isn't the answer.
We all agree that the old guard players need to be replaced, but some experience will need to be kept on, to guide the youngsters as they develop. As for the long suffering fans, no one doubts their loyalty, but you can understand their frustration, but their continued support is vital, this is not the time to throw in the towel.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Thought we had a great chance until the subs, I switched to Costa Rica then.[/p][/quote]Why?[/p][/quote]Because we were doing ok with the future of England and then we brought on the past - Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney all on at the same time. That alone deserved a defeat.[/p][/quote]Didn't get a defeat though did we? Never had you down as a quitter, thought you were a through thick and thin type! I am as much disappointed with some of the spineless fans and their reactions. We never had anything more than a small chance to get through the Group stages anyway, there wasn't enough depth in the Squad and Roys selection policy just made it worse, in my opinion only.[/p][/quote]Nothing to do with being a quitter. I wanted England to be punished for making such glaring errors with the subs in the hope they learned from it. You do realise Woy may yet pick Lampard, Gerrard or Rooney in the Euro qualifiers?[/p][/quote]I am as puzzled as you are about what went on, when you say you wanted 'England' to be punished, I am not sure about what particular part of England you mean, is it the inept Management, the poor application of the players or the supporters that need to be the scapegoats in all of this. I think it has to start from the top, but I won't withdraw my support for my Country, for it's players or the people that run the team. I hope the lessons learned will lead to changes from the top, downwards. I refuse to believe that there isn't someone out there that can manage the team to success, Roy is a nice bloke, but isn't the answer. We all agree that the old guard players need to be replaced, but some experience will need to be kept on, to guide the youngsters as they develop. As for the long suffering fans, no one doubts their loyalty, but you can understand their frustration, but their continued support is vital, this is not the time to throw in the towel. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

9:48am Wed 25 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Most Saints fans would probably ask the same questions of Roy, i.e. What was the point in the first half of dropping Adam back into right defensive midfield for 15 minutes before half time, he was isolated and didn't get any time on the ball, why in the 2nd half when he was getting up a head of steam and looking very dangerous, did they take him off? Finally why was Rickie not given a half hour to do what he is best at, creating and scoring goals.
Most Saints fans would probably ask the same questions of Roy, i.e. What was the point in the first half of dropping Adam back into right defensive midfield for 15 minutes before half time, he was isolated and didn't get any time on the ball, why in the 2nd half when he was getting up a head of steam and looking very dangerous, did they take him off? Finally why was Rickie not given a half hour to do what he is best at, creating and scoring goals. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

9:55am Wed 25 Jun 14

Chapperall says...

I thought the match was boring and like watching paint dry. In comparison to watching other matches England looked slow, and bereft of ideas. I agree with the previous comments on the substitutes the introduction of Stevie G was an odd decision as the midfield was doing ok. Also Stirling looks like he has lost confidence. So I think it's bCk to the drawing board for Woy, but I sense he so set in his ways we will continue to see the same old players and Shrek up front.
However everything now has been superseded by the Surez situation as all the front pages are about him and not the poor England performance. Just hope now we get our players back and RK can convince the wantaways to stay, however if we get £40m for Shaw let him go as we need to reinforce the team as we suffered last season when first team players were injured . We can buy some really good players for £40m.
Just wish we could offload Osvaldo and recoup some money which was Poch's major mistake last season.
I thought the match was boring and like watching paint dry. In comparison to watching other matches England looked slow, and bereft of ideas. I agree with the previous comments on the substitutes the introduction of Stevie G was an odd decision as the midfield was doing ok. Also Stirling looks like he has lost confidence. So I think it's bCk to the drawing board for Woy, but I sense he so set in his ways we will continue to see the same old players and Shrek up front. However everything now has been superseded by the Surez situation as all the front pages are about him and not the poor England performance. Just hope now we get our players back and RK can convince the wantaways to stay, however if we get £40m for Shaw let him go as we need to reinforce the team as we suffered last season when first team players were injured . We can buy some really good players for £40m. Just wish we could offload Osvaldo and recoup some money which was Poch's major mistake last season. Chapperall
  • Score: 0

10:04am Wed 25 Jun 14

Confucious says...

Glad Suarez wasn't playing for Costa last night. Doesn't bother me if he takes a chunk out Andy Casserole, Leighton Beans or Ashley Sole, but not our Adam Banana.
Glad Suarez wasn't playing for Costa last night. Doesn't bother me if he takes a chunk out Andy Casserole, Leighton Beans or Ashley Sole, but not our Adam Banana. Confucious
  • Score: 4

10:15am Wed 25 Jun 14

bathsaints says...

England were poor and have been most of the tournament. They played well going forward in flashes against Italy but always look suspect at the back and give possesion away by going sideways or backwards too much in midfield. Thought both Adam and Luke did well in comparison to the rest of the team around them. Gutted for SRL thought he should have at least have had 45 minutes but there you go it's all over now. On a different note lets look forward to the new season. Whatever happens with Luke and Adam we need to strengthen and I reckon there are deals to be done. We all know the posititions we need to strengthen in so how about any of the following additions: David Marshall, Steven Caulker, Nathan Redmond, Wilfred Bony? Also hope to see more of JWP and some of the acadmey given more chances this season....bring on Liverpool!!!
England were poor and have been most of the tournament. They played well going forward in flashes against Italy but always look suspect at the back and give possesion away by going sideways or backwards too much in midfield. Thought both Adam and Luke did well in comparison to the rest of the team around them. Gutted for SRL thought he should have at least have had 45 minutes but there you go it's all over now. On a different note lets look forward to the new season. Whatever happens with Luke and Adam we need to strengthen and I reckon there are deals to be done. We all know the posititions we need to strengthen in so how about any of the following additions: David Marshall, Steven Caulker, Nathan Redmond, Wilfred Bony? Also hope to see more of JWP and some of the acadmey given more chances this season....bring on Liverpool!!! bathsaints
  • Score: 0

10:19am Wed 25 Jun 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Thought we had a great chance until the subs, I switched to Costa Rica then.
Why?
Because we were doing ok with the future of England and then we brought on the past - Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney all on at the same time. That alone deserved a defeat.
Didn't get a defeat though did we? Never had you down as a quitter, thought you were a through thick and thin type! I am as much disappointed with some of the spineless fans and their reactions. We never had anything more than a small chance to get through the Group stages anyway, there wasn't enough depth in the Squad and Roys selection policy just made it worse, in my opinion only.
Nothing to do with being a quitter. I wanted England to be punished for making such glaring errors with the subs in the hope they learned from it. You do realise Woy may yet pick Lampard, Gerrard or Rooney in the Euro qualifiers?
I am as puzzled as you are about what went on, when you say you wanted 'England' to be punished, I am not sure about what particular part of England you mean, is it the inept Management, the poor application of the players or the supporters that need to be the scapegoats in all of this. I think it has to start from the top, but I won't withdraw my support for my Country, for it's players or the people that run the team.
I hope the lessons learned will lead to changes from the top, downwards. I refuse to believe that there isn't someone out there that can manage the team to success, Roy is a nice bloke, but isn't the answer.
We all agree that the old guard players need to be replaced, but some experience will need to be kept on, to guide the youngsters as they develop. As for the long suffering fans, no one doubts their loyalty, but you can understand their frustration, but their continued support is vital, this is not the time to throw in the towel.
I think seed means that he hoped England would get beaten because they made the same old mistakes that cost us throughout the world cup and in the last euros. the same mistakes by the same manager and same players.
to bring on the players that have failed miserably in the previous games and take off players that had been doing well was criminal! it doesn't mean you have quit or don't support your nation. if we had scored after the subs yesterday and won roy would have thought his decisions were right and he would then continue to play those players and tactics in the future. if costa coffee had scored after the subs and won roy might have seen the error of his ways and changed the way we play and the players in the future (though I doubt it).
wanting the team to lose so that changes can be made is not wrong. you just cant stand to see the national team play so poorly and are desperate for change, which wont happen if we won.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Thought we had a great chance until the subs, I switched to Costa Rica then.[/p][/quote]Why?[/p][/quote]Because we were doing ok with the future of England and then we brought on the past - Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney all on at the same time. That alone deserved a defeat.[/p][/quote]Didn't get a defeat though did we? Never had you down as a quitter, thought you were a through thick and thin type! I am as much disappointed with some of the spineless fans and their reactions. We never had anything more than a small chance to get through the Group stages anyway, there wasn't enough depth in the Squad and Roys selection policy just made it worse, in my opinion only.[/p][/quote]Nothing to do with being a quitter. I wanted England to be punished for making such glaring errors with the subs in the hope they learned from it. You do realise Woy may yet pick Lampard, Gerrard or Rooney in the Euro qualifiers?[/p][/quote]I am as puzzled as you are about what went on, when you say you wanted 'England' to be punished, I am not sure about what particular part of England you mean, is it the inept Management, the poor application of the players or the supporters that need to be the scapegoats in all of this. I think it has to start from the top, but I won't withdraw my support for my Country, for it's players or the people that run the team. I hope the lessons learned will lead to changes from the top, downwards. I refuse to believe that there isn't someone out there that can manage the team to success, Roy is a nice bloke, but isn't the answer. We all agree that the old guard players need to be replaced, but some experience will need to be kept on, to guide the youngsters as they develop. As for the long suffering fans, no one doubts their loyalty, but you can understand their frustration, but their continued support is vital, this is not the time to throw in the towel.[/p][/quote]I think seed means that he hoped England would get beaten because they made the same old mistakes that cost us throughout the world cup and in the last euros. the same mistakes by the same manager and same players. to bring on the players that have failed miserably in the previous games and take off players that had been doing well was criminal! it doesn't mean you have quit or don't support your nation. if we had scored after the subs yesterday and won roy would have thought his decisions were right and he would then continue to play those players and tactics in the future. if costa coffee had scored after the subs and won roy might have seen the error of his ways and changed the way we play and the players in the future (though I doubt it). wanting the team to lose so that changes can be made is not wrong. you just cant stand to see the national team play so poorly and are desperate for change, which wont happen if we won. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 2

10:57am Wed 25 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Thought we had a great chance until the subs, I switched to Costa Rica then.
Why?
Because we were doing ok with the future of England and then we brought on the past - Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney all on at the same time. That alone deserved a defeat.
Didn't get a defeat though did we? Never had you down as a quitter, thought you were a through thick and thin type! I am as much disappointed with some of the spineless fans and their reactions. We never had anything more than a small chance to get through the Group stages anyway, there wasn't enough depth in the Squad and Roys selection policy just made it worse, in my opinion only.
Nothing to do with being a quitter. I wanted England to be punished for making such glaring errors with the subs in the hope they learned from it. You do realise Woy may yet pick Lampard, Gerrard or Rooney in the Euro qualifiers?
I am as puzzled as you are about what went on, when you say you wanted 'England' to be punished, I am not sure about what particular part of England you mean, is it the inept Management, the poor application of the players or the supporters that need to be the scapegoats in all of this. I think it has to start from the top, but I won't withdraw my support for my Country, for it's players or the people that run the team.
I hope the lessons learned will lead to changes from the top, downwards. I refuse to believe that there isn't someone out there that can manage the team to success, Roy is a nice bloke, but isn't the answer.
We all agree that the old guard players need to be replaced, but some experience will need to be kept on, to guide the youngsters as they develop. As for the long suffering fans, no one doubts their loyalty, but you can understand their frustration, but their continued support is vital, this is not the time to throw in the towel.
I think seed means that he hoped England would get beaten because they made the same old mistakes that cost us throughout the world cup and in the last euros. the same mistakes by the same manager and same players.
to bring on the players that have failed miserably in the previous games and take off players that had been doing well was criminal! it doesn't mean you have quit or don't support your nation. if we had scored after the subs yesterday and won roy would have thought his decisions were right and he would then continue to play those players and tactics in the future. if costa coffee had scored after the subs and won roy might have seen the error of his ways and changed the way we play and the players in the future (though I doubt it).
wanting the team to lose so that changes can be made is not wrong. you just cant stand to see the national team play so poorly and are desperate for change, which wont happen if we won.
I think we are all singing from the same hymn sheet, with just a few variations on the theme.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Thought we had a great chance until the subs, I switched to Costa Rica then.[/p][/quote]Why?[/p][/quote]Because we were doing ok with the future of England and then we brought on the past - Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney all on at the same time. That alone deserved a defeat.[/p][/quote]Didn't get a defeat though did we? Never had you down as a quitter, thought you were a through thick and thin type! I am as much disappointed with some of the spineless fans and their reactions. We never had anything more than a small chance to get through the Group stages anyway, there wasn't enough depth in the Squad and Roys selection policy just made it worse, in my opinion only.[/p][/quote]Nothing to do with being a quitter. I wanted England to be punished for making such glaring errors with the subs in the hope they learned from it. You do realise Woy may yet pick Lampard, Gerrard or Rooney in the Euro qualifiers?[/p][/quote]I am as puzzled as you are about what went on, when you say you wanted 'England' to be punished, I am not sure about what particular part of England you mean, is it the inept Management, the poor application of the players or the supporters that need to be the scapegoats in all of this. I think it has to start from the top, but I won't withdraw my support for my Country, for it's players or the people that run the team. I hope the lessons learned will lead to changes from the top, downwards. I refuse to believe that there isn't someone out there that can manage the team to success, Roy is a nice bloke, but isn't the answer. We all agree that the old guard players need to be replaced, but some experience will need to be kept on, to guide the youngsters as they develop. As for the long suffering fans, no one doubts their loyalty, but you can understand their frustration, but their continued support is vital, this is not the time to throw in the towel.[/p][/quote]I think seed means that he hoped England would get beaten because they made the same old mistakes that cost us throughout the world cup and in the last euros. the same mistakes by the same manager and same players. to bring on the players that have failed miserably in the previous games and take off players that had been doing well was criminal! it doesn't mean you have quit or don't support your nation. if we had scored after the subs yesterday and won roy would have thought his decisions were right and he would then continue to play those players and tactics in the future. if costa coffee had scored after the subs and won roy might have seen the error of his ways and changed the way we play and the players in the future (though I doubt it). wanting the team to lose so that changes can be made is not wrong. you just cant stand to see the national team play so poorly and are desperate for change, which wont happen if we won.[/p][/quote]I think we are all singing from the same hymn sheet, with just a few variations on the theme. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

10:58am Wed 25 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Confucious wrote:
Glad Suarez wasn't playing for Costa last night. Doesn't bother me if he takes a chunk out Andy Casserole, Leighton Beans or Ashley Sole, but not our Adam Banana.
Food for thought, well worth chewing over.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Glad Suarez wasn't playing for Costa last night. Doesn't bother me if he takes a chunk out Andy Casserole, Leighton Beans or Ashley Sole, but not our Adam Banana.[/p][/quote]Food for thought, well worth chewing over. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

12:43pm Wed 25 Jun 14

allsaintsnocurves says...

Lallana playing well just highlighted my views that he should have started in the first 2 games instead of Wellbeck / Sterling. It would have been much better bringing on a player like Sterling whose pace would have terrified our opponents. By starting him his started to tire towards the end and naturally our performances drifted off and we limped out of the World Cup.

It was said before the tournament that subs were going to be key to success. England didn't have any decent subs other than Barkley. Lallana is better as a starter as he can hold the ball up and make things happen.

It's a fine line though between success and failure. If Rooney had taken that great chance against Italy we would have drawn that and If Rooney had taken that great chance against Uruguay we should have drawn that game too. That would have given us 3 draws and really that's still not good enough.
Lallana playing well just highlighted my views that he should have started in the first 2 games instead of Wellbeck / Sterling. It would have been much better bringing on a player like Sterling whose pace would have terrified our opponents. By starting him his started to tire towards the end and naturally our performances drifted off and we limped out of the World Cup. It was said before the tournament that subs were going to be key to success. England didn't have any decent subs other than Barkley. Lallana is better as a starter as he can hold the ball up and make things happen. It's a fine line though between success and failure. If Rooney had taken that great chance against Italy we would have drawn that and If Rooney had taken that great chance against Uruguay we should have drawn that game too. That would have given us 3 draws and really that's still not good enough. allsaintsnocurves
  • Score: 0
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