Lawrie: Inexperience cost England

Basingstoke Gazette: Roy Hodgson Roy Hodgson

Lawrie McMenemy believes England have paid the price for picking an inexperienced defence in Brazil.

England's World Cup hopes are over after Costa Rica's surprise defeat of Italy last night condemed them to a first group stage exit since 1958.

And Saints’ 1976 FA Cup winning boss has been saying since Roy Hodgson named his England squad that a lack of experience at the back may cost his side.

He feels his views have been fully justified after the Three Lions lost both of their opening group games thanks in part to a creaky defence.

Roy Hodgson's side impressed but ultimately fell short in their opening match against Italy, before Luis Suarez inspired Uruguay to victory in Sao Paulo on Thursday evening.

It left the Three Lions needing Italy to win their final two Group D matches, while hoping they themselves ended up with a better goal difference than Uruguay and Costa Rica.

However, England will now head to Belo Horizonte next Tuesday for their final match against Los Ticos with their fate sealed after the Azzurri fell to a shock defeat in Recife.

Bryan Ruiz’s first-half header earned Costa Rica a 1-0 win and saw them through the last 16 Writing in his exclusive Daily Echo column in today’s paper, McMenemy said: “When you have so many young players in the squad it is refreshing, but as I pointed out when the squad was announced there is a lack of experience in defence, bearing in mind that Rio Ferdinand, John Terry and Ashley Cole were all missing.

“Whilst I am as big a supporter of Luke Shaw as anyone, I think I mentioned it would be better to take the experience of Cole and promise Luke that he would be the future, for arguably five to ten years.

“Recently the FA chairman Greg Dyke apparently said to Roy Hodgson he was happy to try and persuade John Terry to overcome his grievance with the FA which had made him announce he was no longer wanting to be selected, but Roy, if we believe the story, turned down the opportunity.

“I think on reflection after the defeat against Uruguay, John Terry and Ashley Cole would have undoubtedly added strength and experience to the back four.”

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7:00am Sat 21 Jun 14

SPIKEISLANDTRADER says...

We just were not GOOD enough . SIMPLE s !
We just were not GOOD enough . SIMPLE s ! SPIKEISLANDTRADER
  • Score: 18

7:16am Sat 21 Jun 14

Dan Howard says...

Brazil

"No Country for Old Men"

Experience is one thing, 'past it' is another.
Brazil "No Country for Old Men" Experience is one thing, 'past it' is another. Dan Howard
  • Score: 23

7:33am Sat 21 Jun 14

Sammy2sheds says...

Big Mac can take over from koeman when he fails.
Big Mac can take over from koeman when he fails. Sammy2sheds
  • Score: 171

7:40am Sat 21 Jun 14

SaintChristopher says...

Don't necessarily agree with Legend Lawrie, we need to look ahead, not dwell on the obvious disappointment. To start qualification for Euro 2016 ---> Hart, Chambers, Shaw, Cahill, Jagielka, Cork, Barkley, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Lallana (c), Sterling, Sturridge.
Don't necessarily agree with Legend Lawrie, we need to look ahead, not dwell on the obvious disappointment. To start qualification for Euro 2016 ---> Hart, Chambers, Shaw, Cahill, Jagielka, Cork, Barkley, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Lallana (c), Sterling, Sturridge. SaintChristopher
  • Score: 18

7:41am Sat 21 Jun 14

Abbey Saint says...

The negative effect of Terry's vile character in the England camp outweighs any possible benefit
The negative effect of Terry's vile character in the England camp outweighs any possible benefit Abbey Saint
  • Score: 34

7:58am Sat 21 Jun 14

NC Fan4Life says...

Disagree with Lawrie, the facts are that England only has average quality players at the moment.

CAN ANYONE NAME ONE ENGLISH PLAYER WHO WOULD MAKE A WORLD THIRD ELEVEN never mind a first or second, because I can't from what I have seen.
Not even Rooney or Gerrard are good enough, so there lies the main problem.

Now Woy must only play players that are 26 or under for the last game v Costa Rica as there is nothing on it for either side, so result does not matter. We need to give all the younger players the experience to build for the Euros.
We must not play the old brigade and drop most of them especially Gerrard, Rooney, all four defenders & Lampard etc from the squad altogether as they are history, lets move on to develop the future players.
Disagree with Lawrie, the facts are that England only has average quality players at the moment. CAN ANYONE NAME ONE ENGLISH PLAYER WHO WOULD MAKE A WORLD THIRD ELEVEN never mind a first or second, because I can't from what I have seen. Not even Rooney or Gerrard are good enough, so there lies the main problem. Now Woy must only play players that are 26 or under for the last game v Costa Rica as there is nothing on it for either side, so result does not matter. We need to give all the younger players the experience to build for the Euros. We must not play the old brigade and drop most of them especially Gerrard, Rooney, all four defenders & Lampard etc from the squad altogether as they are history, lets move on to develop the future players. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 32

8:05am Sat 21 Jun 14

NC Fan4Life says...

Abbey Saint wrote:
The negative effect of Terry's vile character in the England camp outweighs any possible benefit
Disagree, while I am not a fan of Terry, it is his type of character that England were missing. All good teams need a couple of 'hard' players, we were too naive against the experienced world players of other nations.
Need to start giving our young players the experience now.
[quote][p][bold]Abbey Saint[/bold] wrote: The negative effect of Terry's vile character in the England camp outweighs any possible benefit[/p][/quote]Disagree, while I am not a fan of Terry, it is his type of character that England were missing. All good teams need a couple of 'hard' players, we were too naive against the experienced world players of other nations. Need to start giving our young players the experience now. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: -1

8:12am Sat 21 Jun 14

TPFKARTSNINZ says...

Let's play "Sammy2sheds", "LFCalways" & "LeefromtheLane" in the last game. That would shake things up a bit!
Let's play "Sammy2sheds", "LFCalways" & "LeefromtheLane" in the last game. That would shake things up a bit! TPFKARTSNINZ
  • Score: 13

8:14am Sat 21 Jun 14

NC Fan4Life says...

SaintChristopher wrote:
Don't necessarily agree with Legend Lawrie, we need to look ahead, not dwell on the obvious disappointment. To start qualification for Euro 2016 ---> Hart, Chambers, Shaw, Cahill, Jagielka, Cork, Barkley, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Lallana (c), Sterling, Sturridge.
Yes SC I agree, except I don't think the two centerbacks are good enough, but this is Englands problem position at the moment. Need to pick other defenders quickly to give them as much experience as possible with rest of the young players you have listed..
[quote][p][bold]SaintChristopher[/bold] wrote: Don't necessarily agree with Legend Lawrie, we need to look ahead, not dwell on the obvious disappointment. To start qualification for Euro 2016 ---> Hart, Chambers, Shaw, Cahill, Jagielka, Cork, Barkley, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Lallana (c), Sterling, Sturridge.[/p][/quote]Yes SC I agree, except I don't think the two centerbacks are good enough, but this is Englands problem position at the moment. Need to pick other defenders quickly to give them as much experience as possible with rest of the young players you have listed.. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 8

8:17am Sat 21 Jun 14

Rising_Son says...

Why blame it on inexperience, when the obvious problem was the older, more experienced players?
Why blame it on inexperience, when the obvious problem was the older, more experienced players? Rising_Son
  • Score: 28

8:19am Sat 21 Jun 14

Rising_Son says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
Abbey Saint wrote:
The negative effect of Terry's vile character in the England camp outweighs any possible benefit
Disagree, while I am not a fan of Terry, it is his type of character that England were missing. All good teams need a couple of 'hard' players, we were too naive against the experienced world players of other nations.
Need to start giving our young players the experience now.
I don't think it was naivety. We just weren't as good, that's all.
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Abbey Saint[/bold] wrote: The negative effect of Terry's vile character in the England camp outweighs any possible benefit[/p][/quote]Disagree, while I am not a fan of Terry, it is his type of character that England were missing. All good teams need a couple of 'hard' players, we were too naive against the experienced world players of other nations. Need to start giving our young players the experience now.[/p][/quote]I don't think it was naivety. We just weren't as good, that's all. Rising_Son
  • Score: 10

8:20am Sat 21 Jun 14

jls217 says...

Dan Howard wrote:
Brazil

"No Country for Old Men"

Experience is one thing, 'past it' is another.
Tell that to Pirlo.
[quote][p][bold]Dan Howard[/bold] wrote: Brazil "No Country for Old Men" Experience is one thing, 'past it' is another.[/p][/quote]Tell that to Pirlo. jls217
  • Score: 4

8:24am Sat 21 Jun 14

Rudolf Hucker says...

Rio Ferdinand,John Terry and Ashley Cole are too old to play for England. LS hasn't played a part as yet... The blame lies with the England manager and captain Steve Gerard. Yet again an England manager played "safe" and it cost us.
Rio Ferdinand,John Terry and Ashley Cole are too old to play for England. LS hasn't played a part as yet... The blame lies with the England manager and captain Steve Gerard. Yet again an England manager played "safe" and it cost us. Rudolf Hucker
  • Score: 35

8:29am Sat 21 Jun 14

jls217 says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
SaintChristopher wrote:
Don't necessarily agree with Legend Lawrie, we need to look ahead, not dwell on the obvious disappointment. To start qualification for Euro 2016 ---> Hart, Chambers, Shaw, Cahill, Jagielka, Cork, Barkley, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Lallana (c), Sterling, Sturridge.
Yes SC I agree, except I don't think the two centerbacks are good enough, but this is Englands problem position at the moment. Need to pick other defenders quickly to give them as much experience as possible with rest of the young players you have listed..
Who could have foreseen that England would be short of a battling CB? The FA and Woy might have done.

They are not to blame however, Woy can only select what he has available to him and what is available to him just ain't got what it take at the highest level. Now if every PL club had one English CB in their first team - it would no longer be a problem position. We need English youngsters coming through but not in the limited pool we currently enjoy. They need to be given a ball to train with and told that even their sprint training will be done with a ball at their feet, their circuit training should be done with a ball at their feet, their dining sessions should be done with a damned ball at their feet. I listened to an English player on Radio Solent recently who had made a living in Brazil and he commented that Brazilian kids had a ball at their feet at all times and every discipline included some from of ball control. So why have we not followed suit. It surely is not rocket science.
It starts with school and just take a look at the ever increasing number of obese waddling, future heart attacks as they are driven to school by mummy because to walk a couple of hundred yards is taxing for the poor little mites.
And we wonder how we lost an empire!
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintChristopher[/bold] wrote: Don't necessarily agree with Legend Lawrie, we need to look ahead, not dwell on the obvious disappointment. To start qualification for Euro 2016 ---> Hart, Chambers, Shaw, Cahill, Jagielka, Cork, Barkley, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Lallana (c), Sterling, Sturridge.[/p][/quote]Yes SC I agree, except I don't think the two centerbacks are good enough, but this is Englands problem position at the moment. Need to pick other defenders quickly to give them as much experience as possible with rest of the young players you have listed..[/p][/quote]Who could have foreseen that England would be short of a battling CB? The FA and Woy might have done. They are not to blame however, Woy can only select what he has available to him and what is available to him just ain't got what it take at the highest level. Now if every PL club had one English CB in their first team - it would no longer be a problem position. We need English youngsters coming through but not in the limited pool we currently enjoy. They need to be given a ball to train with and told that even their sprint training will be done with a ball at their feet, their circuit training should be done with a ball at their feet, their dining sessions should be done with a damned ball at their feet. I listened to an English player on Radio Solent recently who had made a living in Brazil and he commented that Brazilian kids had a ball at their feet at all times and every discipline included some from of ball control. So why have we not followed suit. It surely is not rocket science. It starts with school and just take a look at the ever increasing number of obese waddling, future heart attacks as they are driven to school by mummy because to walk a couple of hundred yards is taxing for the poor little mites. And we wonder how we lost an empire! jls217
  • Score: 23

8:32am Sat 21 Jun 14

midlandsaint says...

Dont see how Luke Shaw's internationa inexperience can be mentioned really seeing as he didnt play.

While those that did are experienced premier league footballers. It wasnt a lack of international experience but rather basic errors, poor defending and lack of teamwork that cost us.
Dont see how Luke Shaw's internationa inexperience can be mentioned really seeing as he didnt play. While those that did are experienced premier league footballers. It wasnt a lack of international experience but rather basic errors, poor defending and lack of teamwork that cost us. midlandsaint
  • Score: 16

8:41am Sat 21 Jun 14

jls217 says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
Disagree with Lawrie, the facts are that England only has average quality players at the moment.

CAN ANYONE NAME ONE ENGLISH PLAYER WHO WOULD MAKE A WORLD THIRD ELEVEN never mind a first or second, because I can't from what I have seen.
Not even Rooney or Gerrard are good enough, so there lies the main problem.

Now Woy must only play players that are 26 or under for the last game v Costa Rica as there is nothing on it for either side, so result does not matter. We need to give all the younger players the experience to build for the Euros.
We must not play the old brigade and drop most of them especially Gerrard, Rooney, all four defenders & Lampard etc from the squad altogether as they are history, lets move on to develop the future players.
Rooney and Gerrard would be the last to be considered for any such team. It is annoying that we have the product but the product will never fulfill it's destiny - not sure why but I bet the strategists at every club are.

Raheem Stirling and Sturridge had they been born to a Southern European or latin American or even an Algerian Mum would have been fulfilling their huge potentials by now.

As it is these two outstanding raw talents will probably never progress from "Beat one player, look for a dive or cross the ball" So bloody predictable. When Pirlo gets the ball nobdoy knows what's coming next (maybe he doesn't know himself he just seems to make the right choice on the spur of the moment) England flair players will have been told "Flair is fine in a friendly but your job is to get down the channels son"
Blx where is the next LeTiss who just did things as the opportunity arose or better still as he created the opportunity. Even Lallana has been stunted and at Saints he has had a succession of coaches and managers who have valued players who can do something out of the ordinary. The beautiful game is that because there are still those cultures which tell their youngster to just go out and play football. English youngsters are coached to go out and perform a set of drills. Where is the fun. Remember the Goalie and the scorpion kick - ferking priceless display and that sort of confidence in going out and trying something completely off the wall should be coached in and not coached out.
I give in - rant over.
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Disagree with Lawrie, the facts are that England only has average quality players at the moment. CAN ANYONE NAME ONE ENGLISH PLAYER WHO WOULD MAKE A WORLD THIRD ELEVEN never mind a first or second, because I can't from what I have seen. Not even Rooney or Gerrard are good enough, so there lies the main problem. Now Woy must only play players that are 26 or under for the last game v Costa Rica as there is nothing on it for either side, so result does not matter. We need to give all the younger players the experience to build for the Euros. We must not play the old brigade and drop most of them especially Gerrard, Rooney, all four defenders & Lampard etc from the squad altogether as they are history, lets move on to develop the future players.[/p][/quote]Rooney and Gerrard would be the last to be considered for any such team. It is annoying that we have the product but the product will never fulfill it's destiny - not sure why but I bet the strategists at every club are. Raheem Stirling and Sturridge had they been born to a Southern European or latin American or even an Algerian Mum would have been fulfilling their huge potentials by now. As it is these two outstanding raw talents will probably never progress from "Beat one player, look for a dive or cross the ball" So bloody predictable. When Pirlo gets the ball nobdoy knows what's coming next (maybe he doesn't know himself he just seems to make the right choice on the spur of the moment) England flair players will have been told "Flair is fine in a friendly but your job is to get down the channels son" Blx where is the next LeTiss who just did things as the opportunity arose or better still as he created the opportunity. Even Lallana has been stunted and at Saints he has had a succession of coaches and managers who have valued players who can do something out of the ordinary. The beautiful game is that because there are still those cultures which tell their youngster to just go out and play football. English youngsters are coached to go out and perform a set of drills. Where is the fun. Remember the Goalie and the scorpion kick - ferking priceless display and that sort of confidence in going out and trying something completely off the wall should be coached in and not coached out. I give in - rant over. jls217
  • Score: 9

9:02am Sat 21 Jun 14

Mister E says...

midlandsaint wrote:
Dont see how Luke Shaw's internationa inexperience can be mentioned really seeing as he didnt play.

While those that did are experienced premier league footballers. It wasnt a lack of international experience but rather basic errors, poor defending and lack of teamwork that cost us.
Woy has a lot to answer for here. Look at Costa Rica, everyone thought they would be the whipping boys! How many of those players would get in the squad of any of the "big" teams? Yet, with the right tactics and a willingness to apply them, not be over awed by the opposition, a good work ethic and fantastic teamwork - look what the've achieved! And hats off to them, compared to our performances, well, they put us to shame! Referring to a post I made elsewhere, I am sure they were made aware of us and our danger men by their coach/manager, but they were encouraged to play THEIR game, THEIR way! We, by contrast, are almost hamstrung by (fear?) what the opposition might do so we dither. We seem to go out to react to the opposition - it's too late then! Let's make the opposition react to us in future!!
[quote][p][bold]midlandsaint[/bold] wrote: Dont see how Luke Shaw's internationa inexperience can be mentioned really seeing as he didnt play. While those that did are experienced premier league footballers. It wasnt a lack of international experience but rather basic errors, poor defending and lack of teamwork that cost us.[/p][/quote]Woy has a lot to answer for here. Look at Costa Rica, everyone thought they would be the whipping boys! How many of those players would get in the squad of any of the "big" teams? Yet, with the right tactics and a willingness to apply them, not be over awed by the opposition, a good work ethic and fantastic teamwork - look what the've achieved! And hats off to them, compared to our performances, well, they put us to shame! Referring to a post I made elsewhere, I am sure they were made aware of us and our danger men by their coach/manager, but they were encouraged to play THEIR game, THEIR way! We, by contrast, are almost hamstrung by (fear?) what the opposition might do so we dither. We seem to go out to react to the opposition - it's too late then! Let's make the opposition react to us in future!! Mister E
  • Score: 9

9:03am Sat 21 Jun 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

NO COMPLAINTS.

We are playing on the South American Continent and home advantage means that we will see a lot of those sides in the QF and SF.

The adventure is over for some - time for the Players to WAKE UP and smell the Coffee - Club football awaits.

LFC are massively in debt and cannot afford the likes of LALLANA at market price.

KOEMAN has the job now of getting in another Number 1 Keeper - TOP Striker - and cover for a TOP Striker. cannot rely on just one player - because that is what we did with Rickie.

We need GOALS in our Team - From JRod - Lallana - Striker - and from a pacy Winger. ( with another hungry Striker on the Bench )

QUESTION FOR SAINTS FANS -

Can LALLANA be the Team Captain next Season - after all that has happened.

REWARD LOYALTY - COYR
NO COMPLAINTS. We are playing on the South American Continent and home advantage means that we will see a lot of those sides in the QF and SF. The adventure is over for some - time for the Players to WAKE UP and smell the Coffee - Club football awaits. LFC are massively in debt and cannot afford the likes of LALLANA at market price. KOEMAN has the job now of getting in another Number 1 Keeper - TOP Striker - and cover for a TOP Striker. cannot rely on just one player - because that is what we did with Rickie. We need GOALS in our Team - From JRod - Lallana - Striker - and from a pacy Winger. ( with another hungry Striker on the Bench ) QUESTION FOR SAINTS FANS - Can LALLANA be the Team Captain next Season - after all that has happened. REWARD LOYALTY - COYR The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 14

9:06am Sat 21 Jun 14

Positively4thStreet says...

I'm fed up with hearing that we must build or rebuild all the time,that somehow all of the success we crave,lies somewhere in the future.We've been building for so many years now,isn't it time the building was finished?
Barratt Homes does building (allegedly),we do football,in the here and now,not somewhere down the road in twenty years time...I ain't got time to wait that long anymore,I've been waiting since 1966!!
I'm fed up with hearing that we must build or rebuild all the time,that somehow all of the success we crave,lies somewhere in the future.We've been building for so many years now,isn't it time the building was finished? Barratt Homes does building (allegedly),we do football,in the here and now,not somewhere down the road in twenty years time...I ain't got time to wait that long anymore,I've been waiting since 1966!! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 9

9:06am Sat 21 Jun 14

Dan Howard says...

jls217 wrote:
Dan Howard wrote:
Brazil

"No Country for Old Men"

Experience is one thing, 'past it' is another.
Tell that to Pirlo.
Would that be the Pirlo that was marked out of the game last night or another one?
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Howard[/bold] wrote: Brazil "No Country for Old Men" Experience is one thing, 'past it' is another.[/p][/quote]Tell that to Pirlo.[/p][/quote]Would that be the Pirlo that was marked out of the game last night or another one? Dan Howard
  • Score: 3

9:21am Sat 21 Jun 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

midlandsaint wrote:
Dont see how Luke Shaw's internationa inexperience can be mentioned really seeing as he didnt play. While those that did are experienced premier league footballers. It wasnt a lack of international experience but rather basic errors, poor defending and lack of teamwork that cost us.
FIGHT and WIN.

The DEFENCE needs SHAW ing up.

The MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON have kept Suarez quiet and frustrated with only him hooking round his leg and diving - has he had any joy.

SCHOOLBOY Errors cost the national side.

The FOCUS is on KOEMAN getting the side ready for a flying start at the TOP section of the League and sustaining that Challenge by greeting Depth to the Squad.

TOP KEEPER and STRIKER will be a GOOD start.

WEMBLEY awaits - we should be capable of mounting a serious challenge in the FA CUP.
[quote][p][bold]midlandsaint[/bold] wrote: Dont see how Luke Shaw's internationa inexperience can be mentioned really seeing as he didnt play. While those that did are experienced premier league footballers. It wasnt a lack of international experience but rather basic errors, poor defending and lack of teamwork that cost us.[/p][/quote]FIGHT and WIN. The DEFENCE needs SHAW ing up. The MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON have kept Suarez quiet and frustrated with only him hooking round his leg and diving - has he had any joy. SCHOOLBOY Errors cost the national side. The FOCUS is on KOEMAN getting the side ready for a flying start at the TOP section of the League and sustaining that Challenge by greeting Depth to the Squad. TOP KEEPER and STRIKER will be a GOOD start. WEMBLEY awaits - we should be capable of mounting a serious challenge in the FA CUP. The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 11

9:25am Sat 21 Jun 14

nannupsaint says...

As an Australian I'm just sorry England weren't in our group - 3 easy points for the Socceroos based on what I saw of both teams.
As an Australian I'm just sorry England weren't in our group - 3 easy points for the Socceroos based on what I saw of both teams. nannupsaint
  • Score: 23

9:26am Sat 21 Jun 14

chapellady says...

How many times did Woy come to St Marys last season? He saw Saints run rings against opposition. He saw how well Shaw, Lallana and Lambert played together yet never played them together for England. All the Liverpool players in the team played like they had just met, and they train every day with Suarez yet had no idea how to defend against him. Woy has created a lot of the unrest at Saints by his larging up the Saints boys, causing all the hype and then he doesn't let them show what they can do. Naive isn't the word, blinkered and too scared to upset the big clubs more like.
How many times did Woy come to St Marys last season? He saw Saints run rings against opposition. He saw how well Shaw, Lallana and Lambert played together yet never played them together for England. All the Liverpool players in the team played like they had just met, and they train every day with Suarez yet had no idea how to defend against him. Woy has created a lot of the unrest at Saints by his larging up the Saints boys, causing all the hype and then he doesn't let them show what they can do. Naive isn't the word, blinkered and too scared to upset the big clubs more like. chapellady
  • Score: 38

9:27am Sat 21 Jun 14

richard903 says...

For me the problems started between qualifycation and anouncing the squad! In all the friendlys all the players were trying very hard to impress to ensure being in the squad. They all became greedy to be noticed and we became a team of individules. Potty chino proved to us that the team was all! Woy didnt notice this and we continued to be a team of individules, nobody passed they tried to dribble past 3/4 or 5 italians rather than pass . So I blame Woy not the age of the players
For me the problems started between qualifycation and anouncing the squad! In all the friendlys all the players were trying very hard to impress to ensure being in the squad. They all became greedy to be noticed and we became a team of individules. Potty chino proved to us that the team was all! Woy didnt notice this and we continued to be a team of individules, nobody passed they tried to dribble past 3/4 or 5 italians rather than pass . So I blame Woy not the age of the players richard903
  • Score: 6

9:31am Sat 21 Jun 14

Positively4thStreet says...

chapellady wrote:
How many times did Woy come to St Marys last season? He saw Saints run rings against opposition. He saw how well Shaw, Lallana and Lambert played together yet never played them together for England. All the Liverpool players in the team played like they had just met, and they train every day with Suarez yet had no idea how to defend against him. Woy has created a lot of the unrest at Saints by his larging up the Saints boys, causing all the hype and then he doesn't let them show what they can do. Naive isn't the word, blinkered and too scared to upset the big clubs more like.
Nailed it.
[quote][p][bold]chapellady[/bold] wrote: How many times did Woy come to St Marys last season? He saw Saints run rings against opposition. He saw how well Shaw, Lallana and Lambert played together yet never played them together for England. All the Liverpool players in the team played like they had just met, and they train every day with Suarez yet had no idea how to defend against him. Woy has created a lot of the unrest at Saints by his larging up the Saints boys, causing all the hype and then he doesn't let them show what they can do. Naive isn't the word, blinkered and too scared to upset the big clubs more like.[/p][/quote]Nailed it. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 24

9:31am Sat 21 Jun 14

Dave Juson says...

The major problem is English coaching culture.
There has been no shortage of people pointing this out over the last couple of decades, the UK has fewer properly qualified coaches per player than every football association in western Europe. It is no wonder that nearly every Premiership club is dominated by foreign players.
Saints are, happily, an exception. One wonders why? Come on Echo, somebody at Newspaper House must have worked out why by now?
The major problem is English coaching culture. There has been no shortage of people pointing this out over the last couple of decades, the UK has fewer properly qualified coaches per player than every football association in western Europe. It is no wonder that nearly every Premiership club is dominated by foreign players. Saints are, happily, an exception. One wonders why? Come on Echo, somebody at Newspaper House must have worked out why by now? Dave Juson
  • Score: 4

9:33am Sat 21 Jun 14

Abbey Saint says...

His name is Roy, jls217, not woy.
His name is Roy, jls217, not woy. Abbey Saint
  • Score: -10

9:39am Sat 21 Jun 14

NC Fan4Life says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
NO COMPLAINTS.

We are playing on the South American Continent and home advantage means that we will see a lot of those sides in the QF and SF.

The adventure is over for some - time for the Players to WAKE UP and smell the Coffee - Club football awaits.

LFC are massively in debt and cannot afford the likes of LALLANA at market price.

KOEMAN has the job now of getting in another Number 1 Keeper - TOP Striker - and cover for a TOP Striker. cannot rely on just one player - because that is what we did with Rickie.

We need GOALS in our Team - From JRod - Lallana - Striker - and from a pacy Winger. ( with another hungry Striker on the Bench )

QUESTION FOR SAINTS FANS -

Can LALLANA be the Team Captain next Season - after all that has happened.

REWARD LOYALTY - COYR
Good post and agree with you, but I think Adam will stay as captain.

I don't know about the rest of you but I am starting to get excited about next season. I now think that the Koeman Brothers will prove to be an inspired choice to take us forward. So well done Les / Ralph and thank you Katharina for showing commitment and ambition.

I was please with Les Reed's last statement that clubs will have to substantially up their bids if they want to sign any of our top players.
We don't want or need to sell any and have them all on longer contracts, so will only do so if it is in Saints best interest and if the Koeman Bros agree to sell to improve the team.

I think they will all stay and we will improve the quality of the first team squad, so I agree with your positions to be filled.
My suggestion is to offer Hoover & Gazza plus cash to Cardiff for Caulker & Marshall. OR get one of Feyenoord's Holland international centerbacks.
Use Osvaldo plus cash for a Striker or pacy, good crossing winger. Then buy the best goalscorer that we can afford.
These four added to our current squad will get us well up there in the Champions league positions but we need to get them asap so they can settle in and get Saints hitting the ground running to take advantage of the first 12 win-able fixtures.
Just need the unique new red & white shirts and we are away for potentially Saints best ever seasons.
COYS
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: NO COMPLAINTS. We are playing on the South American Continent and home advantage means that we will see a lot of those sides in the QF and SF. The adventure is over for some - time for the Players to WAKE UP and smell the Coffee - Club football awaits. LFC are massively in debt and cannot afford the likes of LALLANA at market price. KOEMAN has the job now of getting in another Number 1 Keeper - TOP Striker - and cover for a TOP Striker. cannot rely on just one player - because that is what we did with Rickie. We need GOALS in our Team - From JRod - Lallana - Striker - and from a pacy Winger. ( with another hungry Striker on the Bench ) QUESTION FOR SAINTS FANS - Can LALLANA be the Team Captain next Season - after all that has happened. REWARD LOYALTY - COYR[/p][/quote]Good post and agree with you, but I think Adam will stay as captain. I don't know about the rest of you but I am starting to get excited about next season. I now think that the Koeman Brothers will prove to be an inspired choice to take us forward. So well done Les / Ralph and thank you Katharina for showing commitment and ambition. I was please with Les Reed's last statement that clubs will have to substantially up their bids if they want to sign any of our top players. We don't want or need to sell any and have them all on longer contracts, so will only do so if it is in Saints best interest and if the Koeman Bros agree to sell to improve the team. I think they will all stay and we will improve the quality of the first team squad, so I agree with your positions to be filled. My suggestion is to offer Hoover & Gazza plus cash to Cardiff for Caulker & Marshall. OR get one of Feyenoord's Holland international centerbacks. Use Osvaldo plus cash for a Striker or pacy, good crossing winger. Then buy the best goalscorer that we can afford. These four added to our current squad will get us well up there in the Champions league positions but we need to get them asap so they can settle in and get Saints hitting the ground running to take advantage of the first 12 win-able fixtures. Just need the unique new red & white shirts and we are away for potentially Saints best ever seasons. COYS NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 13

9:41am Sat 21 Jun 14

donni1437 says...

We could just as easily have 4pts and all be good for England. The team did OK but just didn't get the breaks, which we needed facing 2 teams better than us on rankings.

Gerrard has been our worst player and his mistakes cost us both goals against Uruguay and typically deflects most of the blame after the game, not like a scouser to do that!!! Apart from him we've been OK, nothing stella just OK. I would argue that Lallana should have started both games for better ball retention but Roy saw it otherwise. Stirling did well against Italy before running out of steam and was average against Uruguay.

I hope players like Barkley , Shaw and Stirling can kick on and become world class players that the team is crying out for.
We could just as easily have 4pts and all be good for England. The team did OK but just didn't get the breaks, which we needed facing 2 teams better than us on rankings. Gerrard has been our worst player and his mistakes cost us both goals against Uruguay and typically deflects most of the blame after the game, not like a scouser to do that!!! Apart from him we've been OK, nothing stella just OK. I would argue that Lallana should have started both games for better ball retention but Roy saw it otherwise. Stirling did well against Italy before running out of steam and was average against Uruguay. I hope players like Barkley , Shaw and Stirling can kick on and become world class players that the team is crying out for. donni1437
  • Score: 5

9:45am Sat 21 Jun 14

Confucious says...

Even though expectations were lower for this tournament than ever before, England still managed, as usual, to fall below them and exit in record time. Furthermore, I think Italy and Uruguay (with a half fit Suarez) will prove to be far from top sides - as Costa Rica demonstrated.

I ask myself, had I by some surreal chance been made the England Manager (with the same back-up team), would we have lost the first two games by even more and what would I have done to cause that to happen?

The answer is, quite astonishingly, I don't think we would have done much worse and in fact I think we would even have done better - even though the very idea of me being the manager is of course absolutely bonkers.

Ask yourself the same question - would you have done much worse than Woy, reflecting his status as an elite manager and yours as just a regular fan? And if so - why?

Mmmmm....there's something very odd about football.
Even though expectations were lower for this tournament than ever before, England still managed, as usual, to fall below them and exit in record time. Furthermore, I think Italy and Uruguay (with a half fit Suarez) will prove to be far from top sides - as Costa Rica demonstrated. I ask myself, had I by some surreal chance been made the England Manager (with the same back-up team), would we have lost the first two games by even more and what would I have done to cause that to happen? The answer is, quite astonishingly, I don't think we would have done much worse and in fact I think we would even have done better - even though the very idea of me being the manager is of course absolutely bonkers. Ask yourself the same question - would you have done much worse than Woy, reflecting his status as an elite manager and yours as just a regular fan? And if so - why? Mmmmm....there's something very odd about football. Confucious
  • Score: 12

9:53am Sat 21 Jun 14

donni1437 says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
NO COMPLAINTS.

We are playing on the South American Continent and home advantage means that we will see a lot of those sides in the QF and SF.

The adventure is over for some - time for the Players to WAKE UP and smell the Coffee - Club football awaits.

LFC are massively in debt and cannot afford the likes of LALLANA at market price.

KOEMAN has the job now of getting in another Number 1 Keeper - TOP Striker - and cover for a TOP Striker. cannot rely on just one player - because that is what we did with Rickie.

We need GOALS in our Team - From JRod - Lallana - Striker - and from a pacy Winger. ( with another hungry Striker on the Bench )

QUESTION FOR SAINTS FANS -

Can LALLANA be the Team Captain next Season - after all that has happened.

REWARD LOYALTY - COYR
Good post and agree with you, but I think Adam will stay as captain.

I don't know about the rest of you but I am starting to get excited about next season. I now think that the Koeman Brothers will prove to be an inspired choice to take us forward. So well done Les / Ralph and thank you Katharina for showing commitment and ambition.

I was please with Les Reed's last statement that clubs will have to substantially up their bids if they want to sign any of our top players.
We don't want or need to sell any and have them all on longer contracts, so will only do so if it is in Saints best interest and if the Koeman Bros agree to sell to improve the team.

I think they will all stay and we will improve the quality of the first team squad, so I agree with your positions to be filled.
My suggestion is to offer Hoover & Gazza plus cash to Cardiff for Caulker & Marshall. OR get one of Feyenoord's Holland international centerbacks.
Use Osvaldo plus cash for a Striker or pacy, good crossing winger. Then buy the best goalscorer that we can afford.
These four added to our current squad will get us well up there in the Champions league positions but we need to get them asap so they can settle in and get Saints hitting the ground running to take advantage of the first 12 win-able fixtures.
Just need the unique new red & white shirts and we are away for potentially Saints best ever seasons.
COYS
oh no talk of champions league footy already. 23 points is a massive gap to bridge so I believe we should not try and run before we can walk. We're starting to sound like Spurs fans.

I love Saints and am a glass half full type but I can't see how a new manager and 4 players will turn this squad into champions league contenders?
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: NO COMPLAINTS. We are playing on the South American Continent and home advantage means that we will see a lot of those sides in the QF and SF. The adventure is over for some - time for the Players to WAKE UP and smell the Coffee - Club football awaits. LFC are massively in debt and cannot afford the likes of LALLANA at market price. KOEMAN has the job now of getting in another Number 1 Keeper - TOP Striker - and cover for a TOP Striker. cannot rely on just one player - because that is what we did with Rickie. We need GOALS in our Team - From JRod - Lallana - Striker - and from a pacy Winger. ( with another hungry Striker on the Bench ) QUESTION FOR SAINTS FANS - Can LALLANA be the Team Captain next Season - after all that has happened. REWARD LOYALTY - COYR[/p][/quote]Good post and agree with you, but I think Adam will stay as captain. I don't know about the rest of you but I am starting to get excited about next season. I now think that the Koeman Brothers will prove to be an inspired choice to take us forward. So well done Les / Ralph and thank you Katharina for showing commitment and ambition. I was please with Les Reed's last statement that clubs will have to substantially up their bids if they want to sign any of our top players. We don't want or need to sell any and have them all on longer contracts, so will only do so if it is in Saints best interest and if the Koeman Bros agree to sell to improve the team. I think they will all stay and we will improve the quality of the first team squad, so I agree with your positions to be filled. My suggestion is to offer Hoover & Gazza plus cash to Cardiff for Caulker & Marshall. OR get one of Feyenoord's Holland international centerbacks. Use Osvaldo plus cash for a Striker or pacy, good crossing winger. Then buy the best goalscorer that we can afford. These four added to our current squad will get us well up there in the Champions league positions but we need to get them asap so they can settle in and get Saints hitting the ground running to take advantage of the first 12 win-able fixtures. Just need the unique new red & white shirts and we are away for potentially Saints best ever seasons. COYS[/p][/quote]oh no talk of champions league footy already. 23 points is a massive gap to bridge so I believe we should not try and run before we can walk. We're starting to sound like Spurs fans. I love Saints and am a glass half full type but I can't see how a new manager and 4 players will turn this squad into champions league contenders? donni1437
  • Score: 12

9:53am Sat 21 Jun 14

Egomaniac says...

Abbey Saint wrote:
His name is Roy, jls217, not woy.
Well said Abbey!

It's very easy to be disrespectful under a pseudonym!
[quote][p][bold]Abbey Saint[/bold] wrote: His name is Roy, jls217, not woy.[/p][/quote]Well said Abbey! It's very easy to be disrespectful under a pseudonym! Egomaniac
  • Score: 7

10:00am Sat 21 Jun 14

donni1437 says...

Confucious wrote:
Even though expectations were lower for this tournament than ever before, England still managed, as usual, to fall below them and exit in record time. Furthermore, I think Italy and Uruguay (with a half fit Suarez) will prove to be far from top sides - as Costa Rica demonstrated.

I ask myself, had I by some surreal chance been made the England Manager (with the same back-up team), would we have lost the first two games by even more and what would I have done to cause that to happen?

The answer is, quite astonishingly, I don't think we would have done much worse and in fact I think we would even have done better - even though the very idea of me being the manager is of course absolutely bonkers.

Ask yourself the same question - would you have done much worse than Woy, reflecting his status as an elite manager and yours as just a regular fan? And if so - why?

Mmmmm....there's something very odd about football.
He did his best with an OK squad and tried to play offensive footy. He could have gone down the Milner, one up top root and maybe we could have 4 points now but chose another option so thumbs up for that.

You can't get worse than 0 points but would we even have qualified for the world cup if a regular fan was our manager? me thinks not
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Even though expectations were lower for this tournament than ever before, England still managed, as usual, to fall below them and exit in record time. Furthermore, I think Italy and Uruguay (with a half fit Suarez) will prove to be far from top sides - as Costa Rica demonstrated. I ask myself, had I by some surreal chance been made the England Manager (with the same back-up team), would we have lost the first two games by even more and what would I have done to cause that to happen? The answer is, quite astonishingly, I don't think we would have done much worse and in fact I think we would even have done better - even though the very idea of me being the manager is of course absolutely bonkers. Ask yourself the same question - would you have done much worse than Woy, reflecting his status as an elite manager and yours as just a regular fan? And if so - why? Mmmmm....there's something very odd about football.[/p][/quote]He did his best with an OK squad and tried to play offensive footy. He could have gone down the Milner, one up top root and maybe we could have 4 points now but chose another option so thumbs up for that. You can't get worse than 0 points but would we even have qualified for the world cup if a regular fan was our manager? me thinks not donni1437
  • Score: -1

10:04am Sat 21 Jun 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

I`m sorry Big Mac but how are the players going to get any experience if they are not played?
Gerrard made 2 mistakes for suarezs first goal by missing 2 tackles, he then made the big error for is second goal by going for a header that he clearly didn't need to. Johnson backed away from Cavani for the first goal giving him all the time and space he needed.
shrek was just one big mistake, is it only me who thinks he got in a sulk after the first game and didn't want to play on the left again?
our defence wasn't that inexperienced anyway, Johnson has 54 caps in 11yrs. cahill has 26 caps in 4yrs, Jagielka has 28 caps in 6yrs and baines has 26 caps in 4yrs. that's 134 caps between them.
it wasn't the inexperienced players who made the mistakes that cost us. we all knew comments like this would come out if they did badly, `should have taken cole or terry` etc. if we had taken those players all that would have happened is that we would be taking about the `inexperienced` players at the next euros, should we qualify.
as others have said, they didn't play as a team, didn't want to pass to each other and didn't have the intensity needed. there was just a lack of teamwork.
after previous poor performances the press have given us turner the turnip, sven the swede and the wally with the brolly. so far I haven't seen a name given to roy, so ive come up with one myself, Roy HOGson, because he made a right pigs ear of it!
I`m sorry Big Mac but how are the players going to get any experience if they are not played? Gerrard made 2 mistakes for suarezs first goal by missing 2 tackles, he then made the big error for is second goal by going for a header that he clearly didn't need to. Johnson backed away from Cavani for the first goal giving him all the time and space he needed. shrek was just one big mistake, is it only me who thinks he got in a sulk after the first game and didn't want to play on the left again? our defence wasn't that inexperienced anyway, Johnson has 54 caps in 11yrs. cahill has 26 caps in 4yrs, Jagielka has 28 caps in 6yrs and baines has 26 caps in 4yrs. that's 134 caps between them. it wasn't the inexperienced players who made the mistakes that cost us. we all knew comments like this would come out if they did badly, `should have taken cole or terry` etc. if we had taken those players all that would have happened is that we would be taking about the `inexperienced` players at the next euros, should we qualify. as others have said, they didn't play as a team, didn't want to pass to each other and didn't have the intensity needed. there was just a lack of teamwork. after previous poor performances the press have given us turner the turnip, sven the swede and the wally with the brolly. so far I haven't seen a name given to roy, so ive come up with one myself, Roy HOGson, because he made a right pigs ear of it! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 5

10:25am Sat 21 Jun 14

StElsass says...

Hodgson can't be blamed for this. He doesn't pick the team, the media and the so called experts do.
Hodgson can't be blamed for this. He doesn't pick the team, the media and the so called experts do. StElsass
  • Score: 5

10:25am Sat 21 Jun 14

noodlesnewman says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
Big Mac can take over from koeman when he fails.
your such a d!ck 2 shacks ! A proper d!ck head who s a bored sad skate .
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Big Mac can take over from koeman when he fails.[/p][/quote]your such a d!ck 2 shacks ! A proper d!ck head who s a bored sad skate . noodlesnewman
  • Score: 28

10:30am Sat 21 Jun 14

Sammy2sheds says...

nannupsaint wrote:
As an Australian I'm just sorry England weren't in our group - 3 easy points for the Socceroos based on what I saw of both teams.
Yeah I think the Aussies were brilliant.they totally outplayed the Dutch and apart from a dodgy 20 mins against chile they would have got a draw.they put England to shame.all these so called stars and most of the Aussies play in the a league.they played without fear which cannot be said for england
[quote][p][bold]nannupsaint[/bold] wrote: As an Australian I'm just sorry England weren't in our group - 3 easy points for the Socceroos based on what I saw of both teams.[/p][/quote]Yeah I think the Aussies were brilliant.they totally outplayed the Dutch and apart from a dodgy 20 mins against chile they would have got a draw.they put England to shame.all these so called stars and most of the Aussies play in the a league.they played without fear which cannot be said for england Sammy2sheds
  • Score: 7

10:30am Sat 21 Jun 14

LEE FROM THE LANE says...

Get Andros in there and stop mucking about innit.We woz never gonna win a game without some Tottenham class in the team.I feel a rhyme coming on.

Feeder feeder why youse so sad?
Give us Lallana and glory he'll have
Get Andros in there and stop mucking about innit.We woz never gonna win a game without some Tottenham class in the team.I feel a rhyme coming on. Feeder feeder why youse so sad? Give us Lallana and glory he'll have LEE FROM THE LANE
  • Score: -10

10:33am Sat 21 Jun 14

Stroppy_gramps says...

Confucious wrote:
Even though expectations were lower for this tournament than ever before, England still managed, as usual, to fall below them and exit in record time. Furthermore, I think Italy and Uruguay (with a half fit Suarez) will prove to be far from top sides - as Costa Rica demonstrated.

I ask myself, had I by some surreal chance been made the England Manager (with the same back-up team), would we have lost the first two games by even more and what would I have done to cause that to happen?

The answer is, quite astonishingly, I don't think we would have done much worse and in fact I think we would even have done better - even though the very idea of me being the manager is of course absolutely bonkers.

Ask yourself the same question - would you have done much worse than Woy, reflecting his status as an elite manager and yours as just a regular fan? And if so - why?

Mmmmm....there's something very odd about football.
I would have.

first instruction for the Italy game - nobble Pirlo.

first instruction for the Uruguay game - nobble Chompers knee

but then I also would have had Mr Potato head on the bench as well as Welbeck and Baines.I'd have gone with the youth first (who have nothing to lose) and then thrown in a bit of experience after half time.

I would also have demanded that the team actually put in some effort and try ever so hard to not run into each other. Also, the first back flick Barkley tried would have seen him on the plane home.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Even though expectations were lower for this tournament than ever before, England still managed, as usual, to fall below them and exit in record time. Furthermore, I think Italy and Uruguay (with a half fit Suarez) will prove to be far from top sides - as Costa Rica demonstrated. I ask myself, had I by some surreal chance been made the England Manager (with the same back-up team), would we have lost the first two games by even more and what would I have done to cause that to happen? The answer is, quite astonishingly, I don't think we would have done much worse and in fact I think we would even have done better - even though the very idea of me being the manager is of course absolutely bonkers. Ask yourself the same question - would you have done much worse than Woy, reflecting his status as an elite manager and yours as just a regular fan? And if so - why? Mmmmm....there's something very odd about football.[/p][/quote]I would have. first instruction for the Italy game - nobble Pirlo. first instruction for the Uruguay game - nobble Chompers knee but then I also would have had Mr Potato head on the bench as well as Welbeck and Baines.I'd have gone with the youth first (who have nothing to lose) and then thrown in a bit of experience after half time. I would also have demanded that the team actually put in some effort and try ever so hard to not run into each other. Also, the first back flick Barkley tried would have seen him on the plane home. Stroppy_gramps
  • Score: 6

10:33am Sat 21 Jun 14

Mister E says...

donni1437 wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Even though expectations were lower for this tournament than ever before, England still managed, as usual, to fall below them and exit in record time. Furthermore, I think Italy and Uruguay (with a half fit Suarez) will prove to be far from top sides - as Costa Rica demonstrated.

I ask myself, had I by some surreal chance been made the England Manager (with the same back-up team), would we have lost the first two games by even more and what would I have done to cause that to happen?

The answer is, quite astonishingly, I don't think we would have done much worse and in fact I think we would even have done better - even though the very idea of me being the manager is of course absolutely bonkers.

Ask yourself the same question - would you have done much worse than Woy, reflecting his status as an elite manager and yours as just a regular fan? And if so - why?

Mmmmm....there's something very odd about football.
He did his best with an OK squad and tried to play offensive footy. He could have gone down the Milner, one up top root and maybe we could have 4 points now but chose another option so thumbs up for that.

You can't get worse than 0 points but would we even have qualified for the world cup if a regular fan was our manager? me thinks not
"He did the best with an ok squad" ? Surely that is NOT acceptable?
I go back to my point earlier - Costa Rica's squad, by comparison, was even less than an ok squad! Look at what they are achieving!
[quote][p][bold]donni1437[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Even though expectations were lower for this tournament than ever before, England still managed, as usual, to fall below them and exit in record time. Furthermore, I think Italy and Uruguay (with a half fit Suarez) will prove to be far from top sides - as Costa Rica demonstrated. I ask myself, had I by some surreal chance been made the England Manager (with the same back-up team), would we have lost the first two games by even more and what would I have done to cause that to happen? The answer is, quite astonishingly, I don't think we would have done much worse and in fact I think we would even have done better - even though the very idea of me being the manager is of course absolutely bonkers. Ask yourself the same question - would you have done much worse than Woy, reflecting his status as an elite manager and yours as just a regular fan? And if so - why? Mmmmm....there's something very odd about football.[/p][/quote]He did his best with an OK squad and tried to play offensive footy. He could have gone down the Milner, one up top root and maybe we could have 4 points now but chose another option so thumbs up for that. You can't get worse than 0 points but would we even have qualified for the world cup if a regular fan was our manager? me thinks not[/p][/quote]"He did the best with an ok squad" ? Surely that is NOT acceptable? I go back to my point earlier - Costa Rica's squad, by comparison, was even less than an ok squad! Look at what they are achieving! Mister E
  • Score: 4

10:42am Sat 21 Jun 14

noodlesnewman says...

StElsass wrote:
Hodgson can't be blamed for this. He doesn't pick the team, the media and the so called experts do.
come back sven all is forgiven ! woy was gutless and clueless ! why has no one got the balls to say gerrad has lost the plot !he was on his back side more than on his feet !
[quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: Hodgson can't be blamed for this. He doesn't pick the team, the media and the so called experts do.[/p][/quote]come back sven all is forgiven ! woy was gutless and clueless ! why has no one got the balls to say gerrad has lost the plot !he was on his back side more than on his feet ! noodlesnewman
  • Score: -2

10:46am Sat 21 Jun 14

donni1437 says...

Good point but what are you expecting? We played OK and got beat in 2 close games? We could have 4 points and be happy days now.

Should we have won both games like Costa Rica did? From what I saw their game with Italy was a close game, like ours was and Uruguay imploded 2nd half which could have happened the other night against us after we equalised?
Good point but what are you expecting? We played OK and got beat in 2 close games? We could have 4 points and be happy days now. Should we have won both games like Costa Rica did? From what I saw their game with Italy was a close game, like ours was and Uruguay imploded 2nd half which could have happened the other night against us after we equalised? donni1437
  • Score: -2

11:04am Sat 21 Jun 14

Dan Howard says...

Dave Juson wrote:
The major problem is English coaching culture.
There has been no shortage of people pointing this out over the last couple of decades, the UK has fewer properly qualified coaches per player than every football association in western Europe. It is no wonder that nearly every Premiership club is dominated by foreign players.
Saints are, happily, an exception. One wonders why? Come on Echo, somebody at Newspaper House must have worked out why by now?
Is that the Dave Juson who used to live on Dimond Road and went to SMC?
[quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: The major problem is English coaching culture. There has been no shortage of people pointing this out over the last couple of decades, the UK has fewer properly qualified coaches per player than every football association in western Europe. It is no wonder that nearly every Premiership club is dominated by foreign players. Saints are, happily, an exception. One wonders why? Come on Echo, somebody at Newspaper House must have worked out why by now?[/p][/quote]Is that the Dave Juson who used to live on Dimond Road and went to SMC? Dan Howard
  • Score: 2

11:10am Sat 21 Jun 14

cebu blue says...

Does not say much for our Premiership does it, being the best selection of players were chosen from there. There's always 2018 or whenever.
Does not say much for our Premiership does it, being the best selection of players were chosen from there. There's always 2018 or whenever. cebu blue
  • Score: 2

11:12am Sat 21 Jun 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

LEE FROM THE LANE wrote:
Get Andros in there and stop mucking about innit.We woz never gonna win a game without some Tottenham class in the team.I feel a rhyme coming on.

Feeder feeder why youse so sad?
Give us Lallana and glory he'll have
oh dear, innit!
for such a big `fan` of spuds you fail to remember that one trick townsend is about six weeks into a ten week lay off after a bad ankle injury that needed surgery! would you have one trick on the pitch on crutches? what English players could spuds provide to the national squad? walker? injured! danny rose? not good enough! same with lennon, kane? ha ha ha ha ha ha!
no wonder your so desperate to get other teams players!
not that you are a spuds fan though innit!
[quote][p][bold]LEE FROM THE LANE[/bold] wrote: Get Andros in there and stop mucking about innit.We woz never gonna win a game without some Tottenham class in the team.I feel a rhyme coming on. Feeder feeder why youse so sad? Give us Lallana and glory he'll have[/p][/quote]oh dear, innit! for such a big `fan` of spuds you fail to remember that one trick townsend is about six weeks into a ten week lay off after a bad ankle injury that needed surgery! would you have one trick on the pitch on crutches? what English players could spuds provide to the national squad? walker? injured! danny rose? not good enough! same with lennon, kane? ha ha ha ha ha ha! no wonder your so desperate to get other teams players! not that you are a spuds fan though innit! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 6

11:15am Sat 21 Jun 14

GHamilton says...

midlandsaint wrote:
Dont see how Luke Shaw's internationa inexperience can be mentioned really seeing as he didnt play. While those that did are experienced premier league footballers. It wasnt a lack of international experience but rather basic errors, poor defending and lack of teamwork that cost us.
Yup. totaly agree...and of course the only way that Luke or any other youngster can get experience is to get them on the pitch in the big games when it matters
[quote][p][bold]midlandsaint[/bold] wrote: Dont see how Luke Shaw's internationa inexperience can be mentioned really seeing as he didnt play. While those that did are experienced premier league footballers. It wasnt a lack of international experience but rather basic errors, poor defending and lack of teamwork that cost us.[/p][/quote]Yup. totaly agree...and of course the only way that Luke or any other youngster can get experience is to get them on the pitch in the big games when it matters GHamilton
  • Score: 4

11:47am Sat 21 Jun 14

markodarko29 says...

Agree with lawrie only Cahill at the back has been OK,also playing welback instead of lallana or Barkley is criminal, I wonder how much input has Gary manc Neville in picking him in both games with his utd bias
Agree with lawrie only Cahill at the back has been OK,also playing welback instead of lallana or Barkley is criminal, I wonder how much input has Gary manc Neville in picking him in both games with his utd bias markodarko29
  • Score: 8

11:52am Sat 21 Jun 14

warrens 76 says...

TPFKARTSNINZ wrote:
Let's play "Sammy2sheds", "LFCalways" & "LeefromtheLane" in the last game. That would shake things up a bit!
All one of them?
[quote][p][bold]TPFKARTSNINZ[/bold] wrote: Let's play "Sammy2sheds", "LFCalways" & "LeefromtheLane" in the last game. That would shake things up a bit![/p][/quote]All one of them? warrens 76
  • Score: -2

12:21pm Sat 21 Jun 14

LEE FROM THE LANE says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
LEE FROM THE LANE wrote:
Get Andros in there and stop mucking about innit.We woz never gonna win a game without some Tottenham class in the team.I feel a rhyme coming on.

Feeder feeder why youse so sad?
Give us Lallana and glory he'll have
oh dear, innit!
for such a big `fan` of spuds you fail to remember that one trick townsend is about six weeks into a ten week lay off after a bad ankle injury that needed surgery! would you have one trick on the pitch on crutches? what English players could spuds provide to the national squad? walker? injured! danny rose? not good enough! same with lennon, kane? ha ha ha ha ha ha!
no wonder your so desperate to get other teams players!
not that you are a spuds fan though innit!
I woz talking bout the future.oh dear you ain't too bright.lets put it down to the feeder club blues ay.hows about a song.

Feeder feeder you ain't too bright
We took youse manager and our futures bright
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LEE FROM THE LANE[/bold] wrote: Get Andros in there and stop mucking about innit.We woz never gonna win a game without some Tottenham class in the team.I feel a rhyme coming on. Feeder feeder why youse so sad? Give us Lallana and glory he'll have[/p][/quote]oh dear, innit! for such a big `fan` of spuds you fail to remember that one trick townsend is about six weeks into a ten week lay off after a bad ankle injury that needed surgery! would you have one trick on the pitch on crutches? what English players could spuds provide to the national squad? walker? injured! danny rose? not good enough! same with lennon, kane? ha ha ha ha ha ha! no wonder your so desperate to get other teams players! not that you are a spuds fan though innit![/p][/quote]I woz talking bout the future.oh dear you ain't too bright.lets put it down to the feeder club blues ay.hows about a song. Feeder feeder you ain't too bright We took youse manager and our futures bright LEE FROM THE LANE
  • Score: -6

12:26pm Sat 21 Jun 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

That would be the John Terry and Ashley Cole who played 4 years ago against Germany.

It's academic anyway because, had Cole been picked, he wouldn't have started ahead of Baines, and Terry had already announced his retirement, while Ferdinand was past his best way before the 2010 Finals.

Meanwhile, our 'inexperienced' back four =
Glen Johnson (29) 54 caps (give the lad time. With a couple more seasons in an England shirt, he'll improve to the point where, one day, he'll almost be good enough for any English League 1 team.)
Leighton Baines (29) 26 caps
Gary Cayhill (28) 26 caps
Phil Jagielka (31) 28 caps
(combined total 117 years and 134 caps)

All four played regularly in a top 6 English Premier League team last season.

If we were looking for experience at the back perhaps we could have persuaded some of the France squad to cross the channel. They aren't doing too badly with their hugely experienced back four .....
Mathieu Debuchy (28) 23 caps
Patrice Evra (33) 58 caps
Raphaël Varane (21) 8 caps
Mamadou Sakho (24) 21 caps
(combined total just 106 years and 110 caps)

I could probably do something similar with Germany, or see how vastly experienced Spain and Italy are compared to either France or Germany but you get the drift.

We can blame Roy for some tactics and selections (e.g. Rooney out left against Italy and his love for Danny Welbeck) but the root causes have little to do with the squad selection.

I love Lawrie for what he achieved but his attitude to this is not only a pile of nonsense, it's one of the key reasons for so many past failures (along with lack of grassroots investment and the structure of English professional football etc.)
That would be the John Terry and Ashley Cole who played 4 years ago against Germany. It's academic anyway because, had Cole been picked, he wouldn't have started ahead of Baines, and Terry had already announced his retirement, while Ferdinand was past his best way before the 2010 Finals. Meanwhile, our 'inexperienced' back four = Glen Johnson (29) 54 caps (give the lad time. With a couple more seasons in an England shirt, he'll improve to the point where, one day, he'll almost be good enough for any English League 1 team.) Leighton Baines (29) 26 caps Gary Cayhill (28) 26 caps Phil Jagielka (31) 28 caps (combined total 117 years and 134 caps) All four played regularly in a top 6 English Premier League team last season. If we were looking for experience at the back perhaps we could have persuaded some of the France squad to cross the channel. They aren't doing too badly with their hugely experienced back four ..... Mathieu Debuchy (28) 23 caps Patrice Evra (33) 58 caps Raphaël Varane (21) 8 caps Mamadou Sakho (24) 21 caps (combined total just 106 years and 110 caps) I could probably do something similar with Germany, or see how vastly experienced Spain and Italy are compared to either France or Germany but you get the drift. We can blame Roy for some tactics and selections (e.g. Rooney out left against Italy and his love for Danny Welbeck) but the root causes have little to do with the squad selection. I love Lawrie for what he achieved but his attitude to this is not only a pile of nonsense, it's one of the key reasons for so many past failures (along with lack of grassroots investment and the structure of English professional football etc.) Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 2

12:36pm Sat 21 Jun 14

SnapperSaint says...

I think you just have to look at how Chile play and see what difference a manager can make with a few good to ok players.
He has built a fantastic 'team first' ethic, commitment to hard work all over the pitch, high energy pressing game style, has a completely focussed obsession with detail, and knows that winning is down to the finest of margins by fixing all the small issues i.e. the whole is far greater than the sum of the individual parts.
Now all of that sounds like the Cortese/Poch approach to me...
I'm really hoping that the Koeman brothers are going to operate in a similar fashion, because it really works! Unless you have billions to spend on players like ManU do.
I think you just have to look at how Chile play and see what difference a manager can make with a few good to ok players. He has built a fantastic 'team first' ethic, commitment to hard work all over the pitch, high energy pressing game style, has a completely focussed obsession with detail, and knows that winning is down to the finest of margins by fixing all the small issues i.e. the whole is far greater than the sum of the individual parts. Now all of that sounds like the Cortese/Poch approach to me... I'm really hoping that the Koeman brothers are going to operate in a similar fashion, because it really works! Unless you have billions to spend on players like ManU do. SnapperSaint
  • Score: 1

12:38pm Sat 21 Jun 14

steekeemcglue says...

England are not technically good enough. This is because their weaknesses are protected in the Premier league by being surrounded by talented foreign players. Its as simple as that. The problem starts at grass roots level and the local football scene in England is still dire. Regional FAs run by muppets. We will NEVER win a EURO/WORLD cup until the whole system is upended.
England are not technically good enough. This is because their weaknesses are protected in the Premier league by being surrounded by talented foreign players. Its as simple as that. The problem starts at grass roots level and the local football scene in England is still dire. Regional FAs run by muppets. We will NEVER win a EURO/WORLD cup until the whole system is upended. steekeemcglue
  • Score: 4

12:57pm Sat 21 Jun 14

Saint Jinx says...

I thought England and Roy were a bit naive from the start. With all due respect, I can't see other international players being quite as innocent as RL, saying Wow, I am over the moon just to be here. Very honest, very admirable, but perhaps not the way. The same goes for Lallana and Shaw, who seemed to lose touch with reality for a day or two. Anyway, it was foolish of RL to get carried way by asking for the move.
That moves me on to Roy. I have spent many years in Latin America and to say that they are going to play Ecuador and Honduras so that they will know what to expect from Uruguay and Costa Rica is laughable. It is the conditions that need testing - not the players. You can see most of them in Europe.
To put it bluntly, it possibly went to their heads, being in Rio, Miami, etc. but let's not be too harsh. The Dutch have had their problems in the past and Italy have come a cropper over the years, so have Brazil.
Also I am not sure some of the players are keen to play their heart out for the nation IMO.
I thought England and Roy were a bit naive from the start. With all due respect, I can't see other international players being quite as innocent as RL, saying Wow, I am over the moon just to be here. Very honest, very admirable, but perhaps not the way. The same goes for Lallana and Shaw, who seemed to lose touch with reality for a day or two. Anyway, it was foolish of RL to get carried way by asking for the move. That moves me on to Roy. I have spent many years in Latin America and to say that they are going to play Ecuador and Honduras so that they will know what to expect from Uruguay and Costa Rica is laughable. It is the conditions that need testing - not the players. You can see most of them in Europe. To put it bluntly, it possibly went to their heads, being in Rio, Miami, etc. but let's not be too harsh. The Dutch have had their problems in the past and Italy have come a cropper over the years, so have Brazil. Also I am not sure some of the players are keen to play their heart out for the nation IMO. Saint Jinx
  • Score: 1

1:02pm Sat 21 Jun 14

Dave Juson says...

Dan Howard wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
The major problem is English coaching culture.
There has been no shortage of people pointing this out over the last couple of decades, the UK has fewer properly qualified coaches per player than every football association in western Europe. It is no wonder that nearly every Premiership club is dominated by foreign players.
Saints are, happily, an exception. One wonders why? Come on Echo, somebody at Newspaper House must have worked out why by now?
Is that the Dave Juson who used to live on Dimond Road and went to SMC?
Midanbury Lane, and I was not at St Mary's College that long.
I did endure a full sentance at Charton House though. What could I have done aged seven to have deserved that?
[quote][p][bold]Dan Howard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: The major problem is English coaching culture. There has been no shortage of people pointing this out over the last couple of decades, the UK has fewer properly qualified coaches per player than every football association in western Europe. It is no wonder that nearly every Premiership club is dominated by foreign players. Saints are, happily, an exception. One wonders why? Come on Echo, somebody at Newspaper House must have worked out why by now?[/p][/quote]Is that the Dave Juson who used to live on Dimond Road and went to SMC?[/p][/quote]Midanbury Lane, and I was not at St Mary's College that long. I did endure a full sentance at Charton House though. What could I have done aged seven to have deserved that? Dave Juson
  • Score: 1

1:13pm Sat 21 Jun 14

oldsaintsfan says...

By the FA’s definition of an “elite” player, they needs to be playing for a top six club. So obviously all of the English saints squad fall outside this definition. Strange then that Roy Hodgson spent so much time at Southampton last season!
However, with the way English football is structured it seems doubtful that Luke Shaw would have even appeared on RH’s radar if he had been in (say) a Chelsea or an Arsenal development academy (Not sure (when I think about it) if Arsenal have an academy notwithstanding AW’s vaunted “ability” to bring on young players?).
Obviously managers at these clubs have no interest in developing young talent in the first team (English or otherwise) – They naturally need results now – they do not have time for the mistakes of youth particularly as their own life expectancy in the job is likely to be quite short lived.
I admire RH’s picking youth over experience – maybe he should of pointed out before the tournament that he was running a development programme and the media and the public should not have expected too much. Maybe this is why the FA seem relaxed about the outcome. I guess they have very few alternatives.- who else wants RH’s job who is likely to do any better?
I think LM is right – if you really wanted to get out of the group RH would need to have taken Terry and Cole. He would have had three quarters of the Chelsea back four available to him. Granted Cole has not been playing as much recently but I understand Barca are interested in picking him up on a free which looks good business to me. No matter what you think about his apparent personality in the media for much of the last 10 years he looked like England’s only world class player who performed consistently at a high level. If you read the foreign press regularly they appear to think English players are technically inept - maybe they are right – certainly we always appear to be unable to retain possession, our passing tends to look slow and laboured in the final third. In that sense the goal against Italy was a welcome exception.
Unfortunately we have had many young footballers in the recent past who promise much when LS age and then tend to lose their hunger in their early twenties – not surprising really when you look at the money they earn almost by default once they become a “star” and sign that first big contract.
From the saints academy in recent years only Bale at the moment looks the real deal I fear that if and when the likes of LS leaves us he may hit the same buffers of mediocrity that seems to befall most of our “gifted” young players. Maybe it just reflects our short term celebrity/facebook/t
witter obsessed society.
By the FA’s definition of an “elite” player, they needs to be playing for a top six club. So obviously all of the English saints squad fall outside this definition. Strange then that Roy Hodgson spent so much time at Southampton last season! However, with the way English football is structured it seems doubtful that Luke Shaw would have even appeared on RH’s radar if he had been in (say) a Chelsea or an Arsenal development academy (Not sure (when I think about it) if Arsenal have an academy notwithstanding AW’s vaunted “ability” to bring on young players?). Obviously managers at these clubs have no interest in developing young talent in the first team (English or otherwise) – They naturally need results now – they do not have time for the mistakes of youth particularly as their own life expectancy in the job is likely to be quite short lived. I admire RH’s picking youth over experience – maybe he should of pointed out before the tournament that he was running a development programme and the media and the public should not have expected too much. Maybe this is why the FA seem relaxed about the outcome. I guess they have very few alternatives.- who else wants RH’s job who is likely to do any better? I think LM is right – if you really wanted to get out of the group RH would need to have taken Terry and Cole. He would have had three quarters of the Chelsea back four available to him. Granted Cole has not been playing as much recently but I understand Barca are interested in picking him up on a free which looks good business to me. No matter what you think about his apparent personality in the media for much of the last 10 years he looked like England’s only world class player who performed consistently at a high level. If you read the foreign press regularly they appear to think English players are technically inept - maybe they are right – certainly we always appear to be unable to retain possession, our passing tends to look slow and laboured in the final third. In that sense the goal against Italy was a welcome exception. Unfortunately we have had many young footballers in the recent past who promise much when LS age and then tend to lose their hunger in their early twenties – not surprising really when you look at the money they earn almost by default once they become a “star” and sign that first big contract. From the saints academy in recent years only Bale at the moment looks the real deal I fear that if and when the likes of LS leaves us he may hit the same buffers of mediocrity that seems to befall most of our “gifted” young players. Maybe it just reflects our short term celebrity/facebook/t witter obsessed society. oldsaintsfan
  • Score: 4

1:20pm Sat 21 Jun 14

markodarko29 says...

LEE FROM THE LANE wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
LEE FROM THE LANE wrote:
Get Andros in there and stop mucking about innit.We woz never gonna win a game without some Tottenham class in the team.I feel a rhyme coming on.

Feeder feeder why youse so sad?
Give us Lallana and glory he'll have
oh dear, innit!
for such a big `fan` of spuds you fail to remember that one trick townsend is about six weeks into a ten week lay off after a bad ankle injury that needed surgery! would you have one trick on the pitch on crutches? what English players could spuds provide to the national squad? walker? injured! danny rose? not good enough! same with lennon, kane? ha ha ha ha ha ha!
no wonder your so desperate to get other teams players!
not that you are a spuds fan though innit!
I woz talking bout the future.oh dear you ain't too bright.lets put it down to the feeder club blues ay.hows about a song.

Feeder feeder you ain't too bright
We took youse manager and our futures bright
Bale and modric to Madrid ,feeder feeder cub spurs ,no good players left for you ,
[quote][p][bold]LEE FROM THE LANE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LEE FROM THE LANE[/bold] wrote: Get Andros in there and stop mucking about innit.We woz never gonna win a game without some Tottenham class in the team.I feel a rhyme coming on. Feeder feeder why youse so sad? Give us Lallana and glory he'll have[/p][/quote]oh dear, innit! for such a big `fan` of spuds you fail to remember that one trick townsend is about six weeks into a ten week lay off after a bad ankle injury that needed surgery! would you have one trick on the pitch on crutches? what English players could spuds provide to the national squad? walker? injured! danny rose? not good enough! same with lennon, kane? ha ha ha ha ha ha! no wonder your so desperate to get other teams players! not that you are a spuds fan though innit![/p][/quote]I woz talking bout the future.oh dear you ain't too bright.lets put it down to the feeder club blues ay.hows about a song. Feeder feeder you ain't too bright We took youse manager and our futures bright[/p][/quote]Bale and modric to Madrid ,feeder feeder cub spurs ,no good players left for you , markodarko29
  • Score: 6

1:22pm Sat 21 Jun 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Not inexperience ...... but Quality lost us both games ...
.
The biggesat culprits .... Rooney and Gerrard cant tell me they are "inexperienced"
Not inexperience ...... but Quality lost us both games ... . The biggesat culprits .... Rooney and Gerrard cant tell me they are "inexperienced" Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 4

1:22pm Sat 21 Jun 14

Dan Howard says...

Dave Juson wrote:
Dan Howard wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
The major problem is English coaching culture.
There has been no shortage of people pointing this out over the last couple of decades, the UK has fewer properly qualified coaches per player than every football association in western Europe. It is no wonder that nearly every Premiership club is dominated by foreign players.
Saints are, happily, an exception. One wonders why? Come on Echo, somebody at Newspaper House must have worked out why by now?
Is that the Dave Juson who used to live on Dimond Road and went to SMC?
Midanbury Lane, and I was not at St Mary's College that long.
I did endure a full sentance at Charton House though. What could I have done aged seven to have deserved that?
Ah yes... I remember. You were a very bright lad but I do remember Miss Butler handing you out the odd 'See Me'. Dyslexia I take it? Clearly fully overcome later whatever it was!
[quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Howard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: The major problem is English coaching culture. There has been no shortage of people pointing this out over the last couple of decades, the UK has fewer properly qualified coaches per player than every football association in western Europe. It is no wonder that nearly every Premiership club is dominated by foreign players. Saints are, happily, an exception. One wonders why? Come on Echo, somebody at Newspaper House must have worked out why by now?[/p][/quote]Is that the Dave Juson who used to live on Dimond Road and went to SMC?[/p][/quote]Midanbury Lane, and I was not at St Mary's College that long. I did endure a full sentance at Charton House though. What could I have done aged seven to have deserved that?[/p][/quote]Ah yes... I remember. You were a very bright lad but I do remember Miss Butler handing you out the odd 'See Me'. Dyslexia I take it? Clearly fully overcome later whatever it was! Dan Howard
  • Score: 2

1:57pm Sat 21 Jun 14

Dave Juson says...

Dan Howard wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Dan Howard wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
The major problem is English coaching culture.
There has been no shortage of people pointing this out over the last couple of decades, the UK has fewer properly qualified coaches per player than every football association in western Europe. It is no wonder that nearly every Premiership club is dominated by foreign players.
Saints are, happily, an exception. One wonders why? Come on Echo, somebody at Newspaper House must have worked out why by now?
Is that the Dave Juson who used to live on Dimond Road and went to SMC?
Midanbury Lane, and I was not at St Mary's College that long.
I did endure a full sentance at Charton House though. What could I have done aged seven to have deserved that?
Ah yes... I remember. You were a very bright lad but I do remember Miss Butler handing you out the odd 'See Me'. Dyslexia I take it? Clearly fully overcome later whatever it was!
Good grief! You have a memory and-a-half.
Not Dyslexia exactly, but certainly a “learning disability”. I am empowered to write slinky prose by the miracle of the Microsoft Word.
If only I could read what I write!
[quote][p][bold]Dan Howard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Howard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: The major problem is English coaching culture. There has been no shortage of people pointing this out over the last couple of decades, the UK has fewer properly qualified coaches per player than every football association in western Europe. It is no wonder that nearly every Premiership club is dominated by foreign players. Saints are, happily, an exception. One wonders why? Come on Echo, somebody at Newspaper House must have worked out why by now?[/p][/quote]Is that the Dave Juson who used to live on Dimond Road and went to SMC?[/p][/quote]Midanbury Lane, and I was not at St Mary's College that long. I did endure a full sentance at Charton House though. What could I have done aged seven to have deserved that?[/p][/quote]Ah yes... I remember. You were a very bright lad but I do remember Miss Butler handing you out the odd 'See Me'. Dyslexia I take it? Clearly fully overcome later whatever it was![/p][/quote]Good grief! You have a memory and-a-half. Not Dyslexia exactly, but certainly a “learning disability”. I am empowered to write slinky prose by the miracle of the Microsoft Word. If only I could read what I write! Dave Juson
  • Score: 3

2:01pm Sat 21 Jun 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

LEE FROM THE LANE wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
LEE FROM THE LANE wrote:
Get Andros in there and stop mucking about innit.We woz never gonna win a game without some Tottenham class in the team.I feel a rhyme coming on.

Feeder feeder why youse so sad?
Give us Lallana and glory he'll have
oh dear, innit!
for such a big `fan` of spuds you fail to remember that one trick townsend is about six weeks into a ten week lay off after a bad ankle injury that needed surgery! would you have one trick on the pitch on crutches? what English players could spuds provide to the national squad? walker? injured! danny rose? not good enough! same with lennon, kane? ha ha ha ha ha ha!
no wonder your so desperate to get other teams players!
not that you are a spuds fan though innit!
I woz talking bout the future.oh dear you ain't too bright.lets put it down to the feeder club blues ay.hows about a song.

Feeder feeder you ain't too bright
We took youse manager and our futures bright
oh silly me I thought we were talking about the current world cup, you know the one that England have just been knocked out of and which there were no spuds players available for the manager to pick! the same world cup that we are all now trying to work out what went wrong!
oh dear you seem to be a bit dim don't you!
just a thought for the future though, anDROSS one trick townsend isn't now and never will be a top quality player, that's why spuds were trying to off load him to us in part exchange for one of our real quality players. spuds were told the same as every other club though, you want our stars then youse (see what I did there innit) will have to pay our valuation. spuds haven't got enough money to buy our players, after they blew the bale money, another product of saints, on second rate players who nobody else wants to take off your hands. that why the lying manager, who we let go, isn't interested in trying to get them, he cant afford them!
still enjoy your season in L2 and your next relegation threatened, manager changing year. could be worse, you could be broke and have to go back to the very few fans who put their hands in their pockets and beg for a bit more cash. don't worry though you will be able to go to nottarf pound strechers in a couple of years, at least it will be busier than it is now INNIT (oh look if I keep typing that (come on who really types it anyway) and youse, I might sound like a real cockney and not a mockney like you!)
[quote][p][bold]LEE FROM THE LANE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LEE FROM THE LANE[/bold] wrote: Get Andros in there and stop mucking about innit.We woz never gonna win a game without some Tottenham class in the team.I feel a rhyme coming on. Feeder feeder why youse so sad? Give us Lallana and glory he'll have[/p][/quote]oh dear, innit! for such a big `fan` of spuds you fail to remember that one trick townsend is about six weeks into a ten week lay off after a bad ankle injury that needed surgery! would you have one trick on the pitch on crutches? what English players could spuds provide to the national squad? walker? injured! danny rose? not good enough! same with lennon, kane? ha ha ha ha ha ha! no wonder your so desperate to get other teams players! not that you are a spuds fan though innit![/p][/quote]I woz talking bout the future.oh dear you ain't too bright.lets put it down to the feeder club blues ay.hows about a song. Feeder feeder you ain't too bright We took youse manager and our futures bright[/p][/quote]oh silly me I thought we were talking about the current world cup, you know the one that England have just been knocked out of and which there were no spuds players available for the manager to pick! the same world cup that we are all now trying to work out what went wrong! oh dear you seem to be a bit dim don't you! just a thought for the future though, anDROSS one trick townsend isn't now and never will be a top quality player, that's why spuds were trying to off load him to us in part exchange for one of our real quality players. spuds were told the same as every other club though, you want our stars then youse (see what I did there innit) will have to pay our valuation. spuds haven't got enough money to buy our players, after they blew the bale money, another product of saints, on second rate players who nobody else wants to take off your hands. that why the lying manager, who we let go, isn't interested in trying to get them, he cant afford them! still enjoy your season in L2 and your next relegation threatened, manager changing year. could be worse, you could be broke and have to go back to the very few fans who put their hands in their pockets and beg for a bit more cash. don't worry though you will be able to go to nottarf pound strechers in a couple of years, at least it will be busier than it is now INNIT (oh look if I keep typing that (come on who really types it anyway) and youse, I might sound like a real cockney and not a mockney like you!) de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 3

2:04pm Sat 21 Jun 14

damoose says...

No Shelvey ...No Cork and No Clyne and not starting the other 3 Saints cost England
No Shelvey ...No Cork and No Clyne and not starting the other 3 Saints cost England damoose
  • Score: 0

2:05pm Sat 21 Jun 14

Blackknight says...

How do young inexperienced players become experienced if older experienced players are always picked?
How do young inexperienced players become experienced if older experienced players are always picked? Blackknight
  • Score: 1

2:36pm Sat 21 Jun 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
Big Mac can take over from koeman when he fails.
170+ thumbs up on that post, looks like sammynobrain has had a very productive day clicking mouse buttons!
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Big Mac can take over from koeman when he fails.[/p][/quote]170+ thumbs up on that post, looks like sammynobrain has had a very productive day clicking mouse buttons! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: -37

3:16pm Sat 21 Jun 14

FindAndDestroy says...

The STYLE must CHANGE, we need an attacking brand of football and select players who can play it....

the likes of Gerrard, Glen Johnson and Wayne have taken the National team place for granted for too long...

When they play for their clubs they give everything, but when it comes to the national team, no dedication, no commitment whatsoever....

We didn't go to Brazil to just show our faces and make up the numbers,
We went there to win GAMES at least if not the COMPETITION...

If it was for me, they would all walk home as a punishment ....
especially the back four and Roy...

I would choose Clyne over Glen Johnson to be honest, he is the better... option...

Very disappointing
The STYLE must CHANGE, we need an attacking brand of football and select players who can play it.... the likes of Gerrard, Glen Johnson and Wayne have taken the National team place for granted for too long... When they play for their clubs they give everything, but when it comes to the national team, no dedication, no commitment whatsoever.... We didn't go to Brazil to just show our faces and make up the numbers, We went there to win GAMES at least if not the COMPETITION... If it was for me, they would all walk home as a punishment .... especially the back four and Roy... I would choose Clyne over Glen Johnson to be honest, he is the better... option... Very disappointing FindAndDestroy
  • Score: 3

3:45pm Sat 21 Jun 14

Shareholder says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
Disagree with Lawrie, the facts are that England only has average quality players at the moment.

CAN ANYONE NAME ONE ENGLISH PLAYER WHO WOULD MAKE A WORLD THIRD ELEVEN never mind a first or second, because I can't from what I have seen.
Not even Rooney or Gerrard are good enough, so there lies the main problem.

Now Woy must only play players that are 26 or under for the last game v Costa Rica as there is nothing on it for either side, so result does not matter. We need to give all the younger players the experience to build for the Euros.
We must not play the old brigade and drop most of them especially Gerrard, Rooney, all four defenders & Lampard etc from the squad altogether as they are history, lets move on to develop the future players.
Poor old Roy - he'll do all that, win by a hat-full and then get slagged off in the media for not having picked the team from the start!
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Disagree with Lawrie, the facts are that England only has average quality players at the moment. CAN ANYONE NAME ONE ENGLISH PLAYER WHO WOULD MAKE A WORLD THIRD ELEVEN never mind a first or second, because I can't from what I have seen. Not even Rooney or Gerrard are good enough, so there lies the main problem. Now Woy must only play players that are 26 or under for the last game v Costa Rica as there is nothing on it for either side, so result does not matter. We need to give all the younger players the experience to build for the Euros. We must not play the old brigade and drop most of them especially Gerrard, Rooney, all four defenders & Lampard etc from the squad altogether as they are history, lets move on to develop the future players.[/p][/quote]Poor old Roy - he'll do all that, win by a hat-full and then get slagged off in the media for not having picked the team from the start! Shareholder
  • Score: 0

3:47pm Sat 21 Jun 14

Shareholder says...

TPFKARTSNINZ wrote:
Let's play "Sammy2sheds", "LFCalways" & "LeefromtheLane" in the last game. That would shake things up a bit!
Or bore us all to death!
[quote][p][bold]TPFKARTSNINZ[/bold] wrote: Let's play "Sammy2sheds", "LFCalways" & "LeefromtheLane" in the last game. That would shake things up a bit![/p][/quote]Or bore us all to death! Shareholder
  • Score: -16

3:56pm Sat 21 Jun 14

Linesman says...

Strange! I don't remember making any similar comment BEFORE the team left for Brazil.

Still, nice to know that, like so many 'experts', he can be extremely wise AFTER the event.
Strange! I don't remember making any similar comment BEFORE the team left for Brazil. Still, nice to know that, like so many 'experts', he can be extremely wise AFTER the event. Linesman
  • Score: 1

4:00pm Sat 21 Jun 14

Shareholder says...

LEE FROM THE LANE wrote:
Get Andros in there and stop mucking about innit.We woz never gonna win a game without some Tottenham class in the team.I feel a rhyme coming on.

Feeder feeder why youse so sad?
Give us Lallana and glory he'll have
Wrong post for a Spurs fan. What you should have said was that you're used to supporting a team that goes into a competition promising so much but achieves so little!
[quote][p][bold]LEE FROM THE LANE[/bold] wrote: Get Andros in there and stop mucking about innit.We woz never gonna win a game without some Tottenham class in the team.I feel a rhyme coming on. Feeder feeder why youse so sad? Give us Lallana and glory he'll have[/p][/quote]Wrong post for a Spurs fan. What you should have said was that you're used to supporting a team that goes into a competition promising so much but achieves so little! Shareholder
  • Score: 3

4:14pm Sat 21 Jun 14

redsnapper says...

Bull.!! Experience and the so called Golden Generation have already failed in 2006 2008 2010.
JT has nothing to offer ..he bottles the big games or goes nuts.
Bull.!! Experience and the so called Golden Generation have already failed in 2006 2008 2010. JT has nothing to offer ..he bottles the big games or goes nuts. redsnapper
  • Score: 3

4:42pm Sat 21 Jun 14

saints fan #1 says...

i think we played ok but lacked the killer instinct. Uruguay played ok but had the killer instinct. The other teams (Costa Rica) seem to be more hungrier than England.
Next game all the old boys should be kept off the pitch and let the youngsters have an experience builder. It wasn't because of inexperience we lost it was an experienced player (Gerrard) that done an awful pass to his Liv team mate did he forget that he was playing for England probably comes with old age. Rant Over looking forward to the Saints next season hope Woy plays our boys and they show him what he's missed.
i think we played ok but lacked the killer instinct. Uruguay played ok but had the killer instinct. The other teams (Costa Rica) seem to be more hungrier than England. Next game all the old boys should be kept off the pitch and let the youngsters have an experience builder. It wasn't because of inexperience we lost it was an experienced player (Gerrard) that done an awful pass to his Liv team mate did he forget that he was playing for England probably comes with old age. Rant Over looking forward to the Saints next season hope Woy plays our boys and they show him what he's missed. saints fan #1
  • Score: 1

4:43pm Sat 21 Jun 14

SnapperSaint says...

Anyway, so now let's move on...bring Luke and Adam home, get them rested, get them back on the bus and shake all that moving on to get Champions League football our of their heads, then Ron & Ko can start building the team spirit back up with a good pre-season so that we're ready to go again...bring on the new season, COYS!!!
Anyway, so now let's move on...bring Luke and Adam home, get them rested, get them back on the bus and shake all that moving on to get Champions League football our of their heads, then Ron & Ko can start building the team spirit back up with a good pre-season so that we're ready to go again...bring on the new season, COYS!!! SnapperSaint
  • Score: 1

4:45pm Sat 21 Jun 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Shareholder wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
Disagree with Lawrie, the facts are that England only has average quality players at the moment.

CAN ANYONE NAME ONE ENGLISH PLAYER WHO WOULD MAKE A WORLD THIRD ELEVEN never mind a first or second, because I can't from what I have seen.
Not even Rooney or Gerrard are good enough, so there lies the main problem.

Now Woy must only play players that are 26 or under for the last game v Costa Rica as there is nothing on it for either side, so result does not matter. We need to give all the younger players the experience to build for the Euros.
We must not play the old brigade and drop most of them especially Gerrard, Rooney, all four defenders & Lampard etc from the squad altogether as they are history, lets move on to develop the future players.
Poor old Roy - he'll do all that, win by a hat-full and then get slagged off in the media for not having picked the team from the start!
theres quite a bit on the game for costa coffee, beat us and they top the table, lose and they could finish 2nd.
will roy want to risk playing the reserve players? play them and lose and that will be three games and three defeats. roy might just want to put out his strongest team, well what he thinks is the strongest team, in an attempt to win the last game. we all know he should play the players who haven't played yet, they cant do any worse than those who have started. drop shrek, wellbad, gerrard and baines, with a few others and let shaw, lalla, rickie etc have a start. I doubt the ox will play as they wont want to risk his knee (why take him in the first place, if hes not fit for the first two games its not worth the risk).
[quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Disagree with Lawrie, the facts are that England only has average quality players at the moment. CAN ANYONE NAME ONE ENGLISH PLAYER WHO WOULD MAKE A WORLD THIRD ELEVEN never mind a first or second, because I can't from what I have seen. Not even Rooney or Gerrard are good enough, so there lies the main problem. Now Woy must only play players that are 26 or under for the last game v Costa Rica as there is nothing on it for either side, so result does not matter. We need to give all the younger players the experience to build for the Euros. We must not play the old brigade and drop most of them especially Gerrard, Rooney, all four defenders & Lampard etc from the squad altogether as they are history, lets move on to develop the future players.[/p][/quote]Poor old Roy - he'll do all that, win by a hat-full and then get slagged off in the media for not having picked the team from the start![/p][/quote]theres quite a bit on the game for costa coffee, beat us and they top the table, lose and they could finish 2nd. will roy want to risk playing the reserve players? play them and lose and that will be three games and three defeats. roy might just want to put out his strongest team, well what he thinks is the strongest team, in an attempt to win the last game. we all know he should play the players who haven't played yet, they cant do any worse than those who have started. drop shrek, wellbad, gerrard and baines, with a few others and let shaw, lalla, rickie etc have a start. I doubt the ox will play as they wont want to risk his knee (why take him in the first place, if hes not fit for the first two games its not worth the risk). de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: -7

4:51pm Sat 21 Jun 14

markodarko29 says...

Shareholder wrote:
LEE FROM THE LANE wrote:
Get Andros in there and stop mucking about innit.We woz never gonna win a game without some Tottenham class in the team.I feel a rhyme coming on.

Feeder feeder why youse so sad?
Give us Lallana and glory he'll have
Wrong post for a Spurs fan. What you should have said was that you're used to supporting a team that goes into a competition promising so much but achieves so little!
Don't be fooled by this tool. Lee of the lane, he is really a skate trying to wind saints fans up and because his real team is such an embarrassment hides behind being a spud
[quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LEE FROM THE LANE[/bold] wrote: Get Andros in there and stop mucking about innit.We woz never gonna win a game without some Tottenham class in the team.I feel a rhyme coming on. Feeder feeder why youse so sad? Give us Lallana and glory he'll have[/p][/quote]Wrong post for a Spurs fan. What you should have said was that you're used to supporting a team that goes into a competition promising so much but achieves so little![/p][/quote]Don't be fooled by this tool. Lee of the lane, he is really a skate trying to wind saints fans up and because his real team is such an embarrassment hides behind being a spud markodarko29
  • Score: 7

4:56pm Sat 21 Jun 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Linesman wrote:
Strange! I don't remember making any similar comment BEFORE the team left for Brazil.

Still, nice to know that, like so many 'experts', he can be extremely wise AFTER the event.
I think you will find lots of people said that we shouldn't play the older players and should use this tournament as experience for the younger players, and they said this BEFORE the event. when roy announced his squad there was a bit of excitement and belief that the younger players would do well, we also thought that Lalla would start, after all roy did start him in the build up games.
when roy announced the starting team for the Italy game loads of people said we would be in trouble, too many forwards who cant hold the ball up or play with their backs to goal. its not being `wise` after the event, its being wise before and during and then being proven correct!
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: Strange! I don't remember making any similar comment BEFORE the team left for Brazil. Still, nice to know that, like so many 'experts', he can be extremely wise AFTER the event.[/p][/quote]I think you will find lots of people said that we shouldn't play the older players and should use this tournament as experience for the younger players, and they said this BEFORE the event. when roy announced his squad there was a bit of excitement and belief that the younger players would do well, we also thought that Lalla would start, after all roy did start him in the build up games. when roy announced the starting team for the Italy game loads of people said we would be in trouble, too many forwards who cant hold the ball up or play with their backs to goal. its not being `wise` after the event, its being wise before and during and then being proven correct! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: -6

5:06pm Sat 21 Jun 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Shareholder wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
Disagree with Lawrie, the facts are that England only has average quality players at the moment.

CAN ANYONE NAME ONE ENGLISH PLAYER WHO WOULD MAKE A WORLD THIRD ELEVEN never mind a first or second, because I can't from what I have seen.
Not even Rooney or Gerrard are good enough, so there lies the main problem.

Now Woy must only play players that are 26 or under for the last game v Costa Rica as there is nothing on it for either side, so result does not matter. We need to give all the younger players the experience to build for the Euros.
We must not play the old brigade and drop most of them especially Gerrard, Rooney, all four defenders & Lampard etc from the squad altogether as they are history, lets move on to develop the future players.
Poor old Roy - he'll do all that, win by a hat-full and then get slagged off in the media for not having picked the team from the start!
theres quite a bit on the game for costa coffee, beat us and they top the table, lose and they could finish 2nd.
will roy want to risk playing the reserve players? play them and lose and that will be three games and three defeats. roy might just want to put out his strongest team, well what he thinks is the strongest team, in an attempt to win the last game. we all know he should play the players who haven't played yet, they cant do any worse than those who have started. drop shrek, wellbad, gerrard and baines, with a few others and let shaw, lalla, rickie etc have a start. I doubt the ox will play as they wont want to risk his knee (why take him in the first place, if hes not fit for the first two games its not worth the risk).
STRIKE-FIGHT-WIN

AGREE ,,, play SHAW .. LALA .. ( Mr Changeable ) and Rickie and put Costa Rica to the sword. RICKIE does create so very surprised he has not been used more in those 2 key games.

Roy has got to have a Plan B - relying on Rooney exclusively just ain't working. When the pressure is on - Roy loses his creative thinking - FACT.

Roy must think outside the box instead of being DONE with the same predictable formula. What has he got to lose - NOT his job that is secure until after the EUROS.

Losing an OLD LION Rickie is not the end of the world - provided we get in a TOP STRIKER.

We will benefit from having a YOUNG HUNGRY LION on the Bench to come on for SAINTS in our Premiership Games.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Disagree with Lawrie, the facts are that England only has average quality players at the moment. CAN ANYONE NAME ONE ENGLISH PLAYER WHO WOULD MAKE A WORLD THIRD ELEVEN never mind a first or second, because I can't from what I have seen. Not even Rooney or Gerrard are good enough, so there lies the main problem. Now Woy must only play players that are 26 or under for the last game v Costa Rica as there is nothing on it for either side, so result does not matter. We need to give all the younger players the experience to build for the Euros. We must not play the old brigade and drop most of them especially Gerrard, Rooney, all four defenders & Lampard etc from the squad altogether as they are history, lets move on to develop the future players.[/p][/quote]Poor old Roy - he'll do all that, win by a hat-full and then get slagged off in the media for not having picked the team from the start![/p][/quote]theres quite a bit on the game for costa coffee, beat us and they top the table, lose and they could finish 2nd. will roy want to risk playing the reserve players? play them and lose and that will be three games and three defeats. roy might just want to put out his strongest team, well what he thinks is the strongest team, in an attempt to win the last game. we all know he should play the players who haven't played yet, they cant do any worse than those who have started. drop shrek, wellbad, gerrard and baines, with a few others and let shaw, lalla, rickie etc have a start. I doubt the ox will play as they wont want to risk his knee (why take him in the first place, if hes not fit for the first two games its not worth the risk).[/p][/quote]STRIKE-FIGHT-WIN AGREE ,,, play SHAW .. LALA .. ( Mr Changeable ) and Rickie and put Costa Rica to the sword. RICKIE does create so very surprised he has not been used more in those 2 key games. Roy has got to have a Plan B - relying on Rooney exclusively just ain't working. When the pressure is on - Roy loses his creative thinking - FACT. Roy must think outside the box instead of being DONE with the same predictable formula. What has he got to lose - NOT his job that is secure until after the EUROS. Losing an OLD LION Rickie is not the end of the world - provided we get in a TOP STRIKER. We will benefit from having a YOUNG HUNGRY LION on the Bench to come on for SAINTS in our Premiership Games. The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 5

5:21pm Sat 21 Jun 14

Dan Howard says...

Dave Juson wrote:
Dan Howard wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Dan Howard wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
The major problem is English coaching culture.
There has been no shortage of people pointing this out over the last couple of decades, the UK has fewer properly qualified coaches per player than every football association in western Europe. It is no wonder that nearly every Premiership club is dominated by foreign players.
Saints are, happily, an exception. One wonders why? Come on Echo, somebody at Newspaper House must have worked out why by now?
Is that the Dave Juson who used to live on Dimond Road and went to SMC?
Midanbury Lane, and I was not at St Mary's College that long.
I did endure a full sentance at Charton House though. What could I have done aged seven to have deserved that?
Ah yes... I remember. You were a very bright lad but I do remember Miss Butler handing you out the odd 'See Me'. Dyslexia I take it? Clearly fully overcome later whatever it was!
Good grief! You have a memory and-a-half.
Not Dyslexia exactly, but certainly a “learning disability”. I am empowered to write slinky prose by the miracle of the Microsoft Word.
If only I could read what I write!
Ah yes, no remission from Charlton.....I'm trying to recall the names: Beale, Morrish, Dave Lanning, Tony Barber, Bishop, Mark Owen, Legorburu, Callan, Tulloch, Freeth, Woodward, Jonnie Brown, Healey, Header, Sharrock, Beaumont, Hammond, Engwall, Tony Grant, Trant, Bobo Emmanuel, Sczymuski, Ritchie, Falk, Russell, Dickenson, Cummings, Kemp......anyhow back to footie......England as a football team are an irrelevance in world football...we've simply dropped out of history. Our domestic league is a hotel bought and paid for by BT and Sky.
Nevertheless, I'm quite optimistic about Saints. We are getting it right but others will follow our example...its good business.
[quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Howard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Howard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: The major problem is English coaching culture. There has been no shortage of people pointing this out over the last couple of decades, the UK has fewer properly qualified coaches per player than every football association in western Europe. It is no wonder that nearly every Premiership club is dominated by foreign players. Saints are, happily, an exception. One wonders why? Come on Echo, somebody at Newspaper House must have worked out why by now?[/p][/quote]Is that the Dave Juson who used to live on Dimond Road and went to SMC?[/p][/quote]Midanbury Lane, and I was not at St Mary's College that long. I did endure a full sentance at Charton House though. What could I have done aged seven to have deserved that?[/p][/quote]Ah yes... I remember. You were a very bright lad but I do remember Miss Butler handing you out the odd 'See Me'. Dyslexia I take it? Clearly fully overcome later whatever it was![/p][/quote]Good grief! You have a memory and-a-half. Not Dyslexia exactly, but certainly a “learning disability”. I am empowered to write slinky prose by the miracle of the Microsoft Word. If only I could read what I write![/p][/quote]Ah yes, no remission from Charlton.....I'm trying to recall the names: Beale, Morrish, Dave Lanning, Tony Barber, Bishop, Mark Owen, Legorburu, Callan, Tulloch, Freeth, Woodward, Jonnie Brown, Healey, Header, Sharrock, Beaumont, Hammond, Engwall, Tony Grant, Trant, Bobo Emmanuel, Sczymuski, Ritchie, Falk, Russell, Dickenson, Cummings, Kemp......anyhow back to footie......England as a football team are an irrelevance in world football...we've simply dropped out of history. Our domestic league is a hotel bought and paid for by BT and Sky. Nevertheless, I'm quite optimistic about Saints. We are getting it right but others will follow our example...its good business. Dan Howard
  • Score: 1

8:15pm Sat 21 Jun 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

LET's FOCUS on the New Season.

SAINTS FANS have plenty to look forward to with KOEMAN now in place.

Have a Pint in the Prince of Wales - only £3 for a cold pint of Fosters and start getting ramped up for the games ahead.

We will need to invest in TOP QUALITY if we are to improve on our home record and FIGHT TO WIN AWAY.
LET's FOCUS on the New Season. SAINTS FANS have plenty to look forward to with KOEMAN now in place. Have a Pint in the Prince of Wales - only £3 for a cold pint of Fosters and start getting ramped up for the games ahead. We will need to invest in TOP QUALITY if we are to improve on our home record and FIGHT TO WIN AWAY. The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 4

8:28pm Sat 21 Jun 14

saintkenny says...

LEE FROM THE LANE wrote:
Get Andros in there and stop mucking about innit.We woz never gonna win a game without some Tottenham class in the team.I feel a rhyme coming on.

Feeder feeder why youse so sad?
Give us Lallana and glory he'll have
he might if he went to arsenal who play champions league now levi has made the mistake ogf getting mp you got no chance of champions league football .why are you using mackem slang while trying to put yourself like a cockney .another brainless desperate skate again .if adam was going to leave .he has told my mate who knows hids brother in law he is not leaving saints so your clutching at straws if he did want to maybe liverpool there in the cleague .but adam loves saints and he will remain saints captain next season under ron .the manager spurs should of got there loss is saints huge gain .well done levi .talking of feeder clubs spurs feed hull city .keeping them in the top league and cup final feeders spurs then wasted 80m
[quote][p][bold]LEE FROM THE LANE[/bold] wrote: Get Andros in there and stop mucking about innit.We woz never gonna win a game without some Tottenham class in the team.I feel a rhyme coming on. Feeder feeder why youse so sad? Give us Lallana and glory he'll have[/p][/quote]he might if he went to arsenal who play champions league now levi has made the mistake ogf getting mp you got no chance of champions league football .why are you using mackem slang while trying to put yourself like a cockney .another brainless desperate skate again .if adam was going to leave .he has told my mate who knows hids brother in law he is not leaving saints so your clutching at straws if he did want to maybe liverpool there in the cleague .but adam loves saints and he will remain saints captain next season under ron .the manager spurs should of got there loss is saints huge gain .well done levi .talking of feeder clubs spurs feed hull city .keeping them in the top league and cup final feeders spurs then wasted 80m saintkenny
  • Score: 2

8:36pm Sat 21 Jun 14

LEE FROM THE LANE says...

saintkenny wrote:
LEE FROM THE LANE wrote:
Get Andros in there and stop mucking about innit.We woz never gonna win a game without some Tottenham class in the team.I feel a rhyme coming on.

Feeder feeder why youse so sad?
Give us Lallana and glory he'll have
he might if he went to arsenal who play champions league now levi has made the mistake ogf getting mp you got no chance of champions league football .why are you using mackem slang while trying to put yourself like a cockney .another brainless desperate skate again .if adam was going to leave .he has told my mate who knows hids brother in law he is not leaving saints so your clutching at straws if he did want to maybe liverpool there in the cleague .but adam loves saints and he will remain saints captain next season under ron .the manager spurs should of got there loss is saints huge gain .well done levi .talking of feeder clubs spurs feed hull city .keeping them in the top league and cup final feeders spurs then wasted 80m
Another bad case of the feeder club blues.Dr Lee prescribes some visits to the lane and that you start supporting a proper club innit.

Feeder feeder your academy belongs to us
Give us your players with no fuss

That should do the trick innit.
[quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LEE FROM THE LANE[/bold] wrote: Get Andros in there and stop mucking about innit.We woz never gonna win a game without some Tottenham class in the team.I feel a rhyme coming on. Feeder feeder why youse so sad? Give us Lallana and glory he'll have[/p][/quote]he might if he went to arsenal who play champions league now levi has made the mistake ogf getting mp you got no chance of champions league football .why are you using mackem slang while trying to put yourself like a cockney .another brainless desperate skate again .if adam was going to leave .he has told my mate who knows hids brother in law he is not leaving saints so your clutching at straws if he did want to maybe liverpool there in the cleague .but adam loves saints and he will remain saints captain next season under ron .the manager spurs should of got there loss is saints huge gain .well done levi .talking of feeder clubs spurs feed hull city .keeping them in the top league and cup final feeders spurs then wasted 80m[/p][/quote]Another bad case of the feeder club blues.Dr Lee prescribes some visits to the lane and that you start supporting a proper club innit. Feeder feeder your academy belongs to us Give us your players with no fuss That should do the trick innit. LEE FROM THE LANE
  • Score: 0

8:44pm Sat 21 Jun 14

saintkenny says...

LEE FROM THE LANE wrote:
saintkenny wrote:
LEE FROM THE LANE wrote:
Get Andros in there and stop mucking about innit.We woz never gonna win a game without some Tottenham class in the team.I feel a rhyme coming on.

Feeder feeder why youse so sad?
Give us Lallana and glory he'll have
he might if he went to arsenal who play champions league now levi has made the mistake ogf getting mp you got no chance of champions league football .why are you using mackem slang while trying to put yourself like a cockney .another brainless desperate skate again .if adam was going to leave .he has told my mate who knows hids brother in law he is not leaving saints so your clutching at straws if he did want to maybe liverpool there in the cleague .but adam loves saints and he will remain saints captain next season under ron .the manager spurs should of got there loss is saints huge gain .well done levi .talking of feeder clubs spurs feed hull city .keeping them in the top league and cup final feeders spurs then wasted 80m
Another bad case of the feeder club blues.Dr Lee prescribes some visits to the lane and that you start supporting a proper club innit.

Feeder feeder your academy belongs to us
Give us your players with no fuss

That should do the trick innit.
in the end they move on like bale because there never win nothing win spurs you just live in arsenals shadow always will do .arsenal take young saints walcott chamberlain and more at least they get medals so look out they might go to arsenal a much better team than spurs 22 seasons champions league .you cant compete with them and you know it
[quote][p][bold]LEE FROM THE LANE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LEE FROM THE LANE[/bold] wrote: Get Andros in there and stop mucking about innit.We woz never gonna win a game without some Tottenham class in the team.I feel a rhyme coming on. Feeder feeder why youse so sad? Give us Lallana and glory he'll have[/p][/quote]he might if he went to arsenal who play champions league now levi has made the mistake ogf getting mp you got no chance of champions league football .why are you using mackem slang while trying to put yourself like a cockney .another brainless desperate skate again .if adam was going to leave .he has told my mate who knows hids brother in law he is not leaving saints so your clutching at straws if he did want to maybe liverpool there in the cleague .but adam loves saints and he will remain saints captain next season under ron .the manager spurs should of got there loss is saints huge gain .well done levi .talking of feeder clubs spurs feed hull city .keeping them in the top league and cup final feeders spurs then wasted 80m[/p][/quote]Another bad case of the feeder club blues.Dr Lee prescribes some visits to the lane and that you start supporting a proper club innit. Feeder feeder your academy belongs to us Give us your players with no fuss That should do the trick innit.[/p][/quote]in the end they move on like bale because there never win nothing win spurs you just live in arsenals shadow always will do .arsenal take young saints walcott chamberlain and more at least they get medals so look out they might go to arsenal a much better team than spurs 22 seasons champions league .you cant compete with them and you know it saintkenny
  • Score: 3

9:59pm Sat 21 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

LEE FROM THE LANE wrote:
saintkenny wrote:
LEE FROM THE LANE wrote:
Get Andros in there and stop mucking about innit.We woz never gonna win a game without some Tottenham class in the team.I feel a rhyme coming on.

Feeder feeder why youse so sad?
Give us Lallana and glory he'll have
he might if he went to arsenal who play champions league now levi has made the mistake ogf getting mp you got no chance of champions league football .why are you using mackem slang while trying to put yourself like a cockney .another brainless desperate skate again .if adam was going to leave .he has told my mate who knows hids brother in law he is not leaving saints so your clutching at straws if he did want to maybe liverpool there in the cleague .but adam loves saints and he will remain saints captain next season under ron .the manager spurs should of got there loss is saints huge gain .well done levi .talking of feeder clubs spurs feed hull city .keeping them in the top league and cup final feeders spurs then wasted 80m
Another bad case of the feeder club blues.Dr Lee prescribes some visits to the lane and that you start supporting a proper club innit.

Feeder feeder your academy belongs to us
Give us your players with no fuss

That should do the trick innit.
Gettin' seriously boring
[quote][p][bold]LEE FROM THE LANE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LEE FROM THE LANE[/bold] wrote: Get Andros in there and stop mucking about innit.We woz never gonna win a game without some Tottenham class in the team.I feel a rhyme coming on. Feeder feeder why youse so sad? Give us Lallana and glory he'll have[/p][/quote]he might if he went to arsenal who play champions league now levi has made the mistake ogf getting mp you got no chance of champions league football .why are you using mackem slang while trying to put yourself like a cockney .another brainless desperate skate again .if adam was going to leave .he has told my mate who knows hids brother in law he is not leaving saints so your clutching at straws if he did want to maybe liverpool there in the cleague .but adam loves saints and he will remain saints captain next season under ron .the manager spurs should of got there loss is saints huge gain .well done levi .talking of feeder clubs spurs feed hull city .keeping them in the top league and cup final feeders spurs then wasted 80m[/p][/quote]Another bad case of the feeder club blues.Dr Lee prescribes some visits to the lane and that you start supporting a proper club innit. Feeder feeder your academy belongs to us Give us your players with no fuss That should do the trick innit.[/p][/quote]Gettin' seriously boring OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

10:13pm Sat 21 Jun 14

St Van Roetford says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
LET's FOCUS on the New Season.

SAINTS FANS have plenty to look forward to with KOEMAN now in place.

Have a Pint in the Prince of Wales - only £3 for a cold pint of Fosters and start getting ramped up for the games ahead.

We will need to invest in TOP QUALITY if we are to improve on our home record and FIGHT TO WIN AWAY.
Fosters? Fcuking Fosters? I thought you were some sort of hard case? If you're not drinking premium continental fighting lager then I just can't respect you. Sorry.
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: LET's FOCUS on the New Season. SAINTS FANS have plenty to look forward to with KOEMAN now in place. Have a Pint in the Prince of Wales - only £3 for a cold pint of Fosters and start getting ramped up for the games ahead. We will need to invest in TOP QUALITY if we are to improve on our home record and FIGHT TO WIN AWAY.[/p][/quote]Fosters? Fcuking Fosters? I thought you were some sort of hard case? If you're not drinking premium continental fighting lager then I just can't respect you. Sorry. St Van Roetford
  • Score: 1

10:35pm Sat 21 Jun 14

Positively4thStreet says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
LET's FOCUS on the New Season.

SAINTS FANS have plenty to look forward to with KOEMAN now in place.

Have a Pint in the Prince of Wales - only £3 for a cold pint of Fosters and start getting ramped up for the games ahead.

We will need to invest in TOP QUALITY if we are to improve on our home record and FIGHT TO WIN AWAY.
Fosters? Fcuking Fosters? I thought you were some sort of hard case? If you're not drinking premium continental fighting lager then I just can't respect you. Sorry.
Or even a pint of "Old Rosie",that sorts the men from the boys.
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: LET's FOCUS on the New Season. SAINTS FANS have plenty to look forward to with KOEMAN now in place. Have a Pint in the Prince of Wales - only £3 for a cold pint of Fosters and start getting ramped up for the games ahead. We will need to invest in TOP QUALITY if we are to improve on our home record and FIGHT TO WIN AWAY.[/p][/quote]Fosters? Fcuking Fosters? I thought you were some sort of hard case? If you're not drinking premium continental fighting lager then I just can't respect you. Sorry.[/p][/quote]Or even a pint of "Old Rosie",that sorts the men from the boys. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 2

11:37pm Sat 21 Jun 14

jls217 says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
NO COMPLAINTS.

We are playing on the South American Continent and home advantage means that we will see a lot of those sides in the QF and SF.

The adventure is over for some - time for the Players to WAKE UP and smell the Coffee - Club football awaits.

LFC are massively in debt and cannot afford the likes of LALLANA at market price.

KOEMAN has the job now of getting in another Number 1 Keeper - TOP Striker - and cover for a TOP Striker. cannot rely on just one player - because that is what we did with Rickie.

We need GOALS in our Team - From JRod - Lallana - Striker - and from a pacy Winger. ( with another hungry Striker on the Bench )

QUESTION FOR SAINTS FANS -

Can LALLANA be the Team Captain next Season - after all that has happened.

REWARD LOYALTY - COYR
I would go one further mate. I don't want Lallana at the club at all. At the very least he should never be considered for that armband again. He has treated the fans (and the management structure) of this great club with cynical contempt and he should reap exactly what he has sown. He only ever once had to be interviewed or put on the Saints website that he was under contract and going nowhere. He has caused a great deal of turmoil and possibly damage by deliberately allowing the rumours grow to suit his own design. There's no place in the team for someone with that attitude. IMHO - I guess there will be many who don't agree and those who don't just ask yourself what the captain of this great club has done to promote the club, its ethos, and most importantly us who pay his wages. The answer is nothing - it's all been about what Adam wants and surely he decided that when signed the new contract.
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: NO COMPLAINTS. We are playing on the South American Continent and home advantage means that we will see a lot of those sides in the QF and SF. The adventure is over for some - time for the Players to WAKE UP and smell the Coffee - Club football awaits. LFC are massively in debt and cannot afford the likes of LALLANA at market price. KOEMAN has the job now of getting in another Number 1 Keeper - TOP Striker - and cover for a TOP Striker. cannot rely on just one player - because that is what we did with Rickie. We need GOALS in our Team - From JRod - Lallana - Striker - and from a pacy Winger. ( with another hungry Striker on the Bench ) QUESTION FOR SAINTS FANS - Can LALLANA be the Team Captain next Season - after all that has happened. REWARD LOYALTY - COYR[/p][/quote]I would go one further mate. I don't want Lallana at the club at all. At the very least he should never be considered for that armband again. He has treated the fans (and the management structure) of this great club with cynical contempt and he should reap exactly what he has sown. He only ever once had to be interviewed or put on the Saints website that he was under contract and going nowhere. He has caused a great deal of turmoil and possibly damage by deliberately allowing the rumours grow to suit his own design. There's no place in the team for someone with that attitude. IMHO - I guess there will be many who don't agree and those who don't just ask yourself what the captain of this great club has done to promote the club, its ethos, and most importantly us who pay his wages. The answer is nothing - it's all been about what Adam wants and surely he decided that when signed the new contract. jls217
  • Score: 5

12:10am Sun 22 Jun 14

saintkenny says...

jls217 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
NO COMPLAINTS.

We are playing on the South American Continent and home advantage means that we will see a lot of those sides in the QF and SF.

The adventure is over for some - time for the Players to WAKE UP and smell the Coffee - Club football awaits.

LFC are massively in debt and cannot afford the likes of LALLANA at market price.

KOEMAN has the job now of getting in another Number 1 Keeper - TOP Striker - and cover for a TOP Striker. cannot rely on just one player - because that is what we did with Rickie.

We need GOALS in our Team - From JRod - Lallana - Striker - and from a pacy Winger. ( with another hungry Striker on the Bench )

QUESTION FOR SAINTS FANS -

Can LALLANA be the Team Captain next Season - after all that has happened.

REWARD LOYALTY - COYR
I would go one further mate. I don't want Lallana at the club at all. At the very least he should never be considered for that armband again. He has treated the fans (and the management structure) of this great club with cynical contempt and he should reap exactly what he has sown. He only ever once had to be interviewed or put on the Saints website that he was under contract and going nowhere. He has caused a great deal of turmoil and possibly damage by deliberately allowing the rumours grow to suit his own design. There's no place in the team for someone with that attitude. IMHO - I guess there will be many who don't agree and those who don't just ask yourself what the captain of this great club has done to promote the club, its ethos, and most importantly us who pay his wages. The answer is nothing - it's all been about what Adam wants and surely he decided that when signed the new contract.
your just speculating what the media has said .adam has not and has nothing to defend he has never sat at any video interview or and not on a radio either.he has never handed in a transfer request been at the club 12 years always shows adulation to the fans .because of his rise to stardom in the england set up .the agent and media just try to blow things up like lovren he has never handed in a transfer request .and the club as never said once any player is for sale .how about sticking to what players actually say rather than what the media .then make comments to have substance save yourself typing garbage
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: NO COMPLAINTS. We are playing on the South American Continent and home advantage means that we will see a lot of those sides in the QF and SF. The adventure is over for some - time for the Players to WAKE UP and smell the Coffee - Club football awaits. LFC are massively in debt and cannot afford the likes of LALLANA at market price. KOEMAN has the job now of getting in another Number 1 Keeper - TOP Striker - and cover for a TOP Striker. cannot rely on just one player - because that is what we did with Rickie. We need GOALS in our Team - From JRod - Lallana - Striker - and from a pacy Winger. ( with another hungry Striker on the Bench ) QUESTION FOR SAINTS FANS - Can LALLANA be the Team Captain next Season - after all that has happened. REWARD LOYALTY - COYR[/p][/quote]I would go one further mate. I don't want Lallana at the club at all. At the very least he should never be considered for that armband again. He has treated the fans (and the management structure) of this great club with cynical contempt and he should reap exactly what he has sown. He only ever once had to be interviewed or put on the Saints website that he was under contract and going nowhere. He has caused a great deal of turmoil and possibly damage by deliberately allowing the rumours grow to suit his own design. There's no place in the team for someone with that attitude. IMHO - I guess there will be many who don't agree and those who don't just ask yourself what the captain of this great club has done to promote the club, its ethos, and most importantly us who pay his wages. The answer is nothing - it's all been about what Adam wants and surely he decided that when signed the new contract.[/p][/quote]your just speculating what the media has said .adam has not and has nothing to defend he has never sat at any video interview or and not on a radio either.he has never handed in a transfer request been at the club 12 years always shows adulation to the fans .because of his rise to stardom in the england set up .the agent and media just try to blow things up like lovren he has never handed in a transfer request .and the club as never said once any player is for sale .how about sticking to what players actually say rather than what the media .then make comments to have substance save yourself typing garbage saintkenny
  • Score: 2

4:06am Sun 22 Jun 14

miltonnroad76 says...

saintkenny wrote:
jls217 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
NO COMPLAINTS.

We are playing on the South American Continent and home advantage means that we will see a lot of those sides in the QF and SF.

The adventure is over for some - time for the Players to WAKE UP and smell the Coffee - Club football awaits.

LFC are massively in debt and cannot afford the likes of LALLANA at market price.

KOEMAN has the job now of getting in another Number 1 Keeper - TOP Striker - and cover for a TOP Striker. cannot rely on just one player - because that is what we did with Rickie.

We need GOALS in our Team - From JRod - Lallana - Striker - and from a pacy Winger. ( with another hungry Striker on the Bench )

QUESTION FOR SAINTS FANS -

Can LALLANA be the Team Captain next Season - after all that has happened.

REWARD LOYALTY - COYR
I would go one further mate. I don't want Lallana at the club at all. At the very least he should never be considered for that armband again. He has treated the fans (and the management structure) of this great club with cynical contempt and he should reap exactly what he has sown. He only ever once had to be interviewed or put on the Saints website that he was under contract and going nowhere. He has caused a great deal of turmoil and possibly damage by deliberately allowing the rumours grow to suit his own design. There's no place in the team for someone with that attitude. IMHO - I guess there will be many who don't agree and those who don't just ask yourself what the captain of this great club has done to promote the club, its ethos, and most importantly us who pay his wages. The answer is nothing - it's all been about what Adam wants and surely he decided that when signed the new contract.
your just speculating what the media has said .adam has not and has nothing to defend he has never sat at any video interview or and not on a radio either.he has never handed in a transfer request been at the club 12 years always shows adulation to the fans .because of his rise to stardom in the england set up .the agent and media just try to blow things up like lovren he has never handed in a transfer request .and the club as never said once any player is for sale .how about sticking to what players actually say rather than what the media .then make comments to have substance save yourself typing garbage
Dead right saint kenny and lovren has said he never handed in a request and lallana why should he respond to the media speculation dont think.shaw will not go to man utd as not in europe..as for Hodgson i agree with steve mcmahon for once that roy bottled it by picking welbeck and defensive henderson and that he should have gone with the players in form lallana berkely and lambert...he should give them and shaw a full game but he probably wont coz if it works he will look a pratt by not picking them to start in the other games..
[quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: NO COMPLAINTS. We are playing on the South American Continent and home advantage means that we will see a lot of those sides in the QF and SF. The adventure is over for some - time for the Players to WAKE UP and smell the Coffee - Club football awaits. LFC are massively in debt and cannot afford the likes of LALLANA at market price. KOEMAN has the job now of getting in another Number 1 Keeper - TOP Striker - and cover for a TOP Striker. cannot rely on just one player - because that is what we did with Rickie. We need GOALS in our Team - From JRod - Lallana - Striker - and from a pacy Winger. ( with another hungry Striker on the Bench ) QUESTION FOR SAINTS FANS - Can LALLANA be the Team Captain next Season - after all that has happened. REWARD LOYALTY - COYR[/p][/quote]I would go one further mate. I don't want Lallana at the club at all. At the very least he should never be considered for that armband again. He has treated the fans (and the management structure) of this great club with cynical contempt and he should reap exactly what he has sown. He only ever once had to be interviewed or put on the Saints website that he was under contract and going nowhere. He has caused a great deal of turmoil and possibly damage by deliberately allowing the rumours grow to suit his own design. There's no place in the team for someone with that attitude. IMHO - I guess there will be many who don't agree and those who don't just ask yourself what the captain of this great club has done to promote the club, its ethos, and most importantly us who pay his wages. The answer is nothing - it's all been about what Adam wants and surely he decided that when signed the new contract.[/p][/quote]your just speculating what the media has said .adam has not and has nothing to defend he has never sat at any video interview or and not on a radio either.he has never handed in a transfer request been at the club 12 years always shows adulation to the fans .because of his rise to stardom in the england set up .the agent and media just try to blow things up like lovren he has never handed in a transfer request .and the club as never said once any player is for sale .how about sticking to what players actually say rather than what the media .then make comments to have substance save yourself typing garbage[/p][/quote]Dead right saint kenny and lovren has said he never handed in a request and lallana why should he respond to the media speculation dont think.shaw will not go to man utd as not in europe..as for Hodgson i agree with steve mcmahon for once that roy bottled it by picking welbeck and defensive henderson and that he should have gone with the players in form lallana berkely and lambert...he should give them and shaw a full game but he probably wont coz if it works he will look a pratt by not picking them to start in the other games.. miltonnroad76
  • Score: 2

5:37am Sun 22 Jun 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
LET's FOCUS on the New Season.

SAINTS FANS have plenty to look forward to with KOEMAN now in place.

Have a Pint in the Prince of Wales - only £3 for a cold pint of Fosters and start getting ramped up for the games ahead.

We will need to invest in TOP QUALITY if we are to improve on our home record and FIGHT TO WIN AWAY.
Fosters? Fcuking Fosters? I thought you were some sort of hard case? If you're not drinking premium continental fighting lager then I just can't respect you. Sorry.
Or even a pint of "Old Rosie",that sorts the men from the boys.
;O) LOL
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: LET's FOCUS on the New Season. SAINTS FANS have plenty to look forward to with KOEMAN now in place. Have a Pint in the Prince of Wales - only £3 for a cold pint of Fosters and start getting ramped up for the games ahead. We will need to invest in TOP QUALITY if we are to improve on our home record and FIGHT TO WIN AWAY.[/p][/quote]Fosters? Fcuking Fosters? I thought you were some sort of hard case? If you're not drinking premium continental fighting lager then I just can't respect you. Sorry.[/p][/quote]Or even a pint of "Old Rosie",that sorts the men from the boys.[/p][/quote];O) LOL The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 2

8:25am Sun 22 Jun 14

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
Disagree with Lawrie, the facts are that England only has average quality players at the moment.

CAN ANYONE NAME ONE ENGLISH PLAYER WHO WOULD MAKE A WORLD THIRD ELEVEN never mind a first or second, because I can't from what I have seen.
Not even Rooney or Gerrard are good enough, so there lies the main problem.

Now Woy must only play players that are 26 or under for the last game v Costa Rica as there is nothing on it for either side, so result does not matter. We need to give all the younger players the experience to build for the Euros.
We must not play the old brigade and drop most of them especially Gerrard, Rooney, all four defenders & Lampard etc from the squad altogether as they are history, lets move on to develop the future players.
The point is surely that other teams do better with average/good players and no world beaters. They play with energy and to a system that they all understand and do it with a determined togetherness as a team whereas we look disjointed and play as if we don't know what we are doing. Actually, that is maybe a tad unfair. I blame the manager; for picking the wrong players for his squad and then for playing a system that didn't work. Personally I think Chambers would have been a better bet at right back that Johnson who is clearly past his sell by date, Cork in midfield instead of Henderson who looked lost at times and he should have played Adam from the start instead of Wellbeck. Whether Gerrard would have got a game I don't know. Trouble is, even though I said to my wife before the game that "Gerrard is OK, but he is too old, relies too much on pinging 40 yard diagonal balls across the pitch that look good but don't achieve anything and prone to costly mistakes," I can't at this moment think of anyone else to replace him. Maybe Lampard but he is past his best too
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Disagree with Lawrie, the facts are that England only has average quality players at the moment. CAN ANYONE NAME ONE ENGLISH PLAYER WHO WOULD MAKE A WORLD THIRD ELEVEN never mind a first or second, because I can't from what I have seen. Not even Rooney or Gerrard are good enough, so there lies the main problem. Now Woy must only play players that are 26 or under for the last game v Costa Rica as there is nothing on it for either side, so result does not matter. We need to give all the younger players the experience to build for the Euros. We must not play the old brigade and drop most of them especially Gerrard, Rooney, all four defenders & Lampard etc from the squad altogether as they are history, lets move on to develop the future players.[/p][/quote]The point is surely that other teams do better with average/good players and no world beaters. They play with energy and to a system that they all understand and do it with a determined togetherness as a team whereas we look disjointed and play as if we don't know what we are doing. Actually, that is maybe a tad unfair. I blame the manager; for picking the wrong players for his squad and then for playing a system that didn't work. Personally I think Chambers would have been a better bet at right back that Johnson who is clearly past his sell by date, Cork in midfield instead of Henderson who looked lost at times and he should have played Adam from the start instead of Wellbeck. Whether Gerrard would have got a game I don't know. Trouble is, even though I said to my wife before the game that "Gerrard is OK, but he is too old, relies too much on pinging 40 yard diagonal balls across the pitch that look good but don't achieve anything and prone to costly mistakes," I can't at this moment think of anyone else to replace him. Maybe Lampard but he is past his best too Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child
  • Score: 0

9:46am Sun 22 Jun 14

Confucious says...

According to a double page spread in the Sun today Luke was texting a dolly in LA at 3am after the Uruguay match asking playfully if he could have a threesome with her and her sister. Obviously a newspaper stitch-up, but the boy really does need to watch himself or he'll be in trouble.
According to a double page spread in the Sun today Luke was texting a dolly in LA at 3am after the Uruguay match asking playfully if he could have a threesome with her and her sister. Obviously a newspaper stitch-up, but the boy really does need to watch himself or he'll be in trouble. Confucious
  • Score: 3

9:56am Sun 22 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

jls217 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
NO COMPLAINTS.

We are playing on the South American Continent and home advantage means that we will see a lot of those sides in the QF and SF.

The adventure is over for some - time for the Players to WAKE UP and smell the Coffee - Club football awaits.

LFC are massively in debt and cannot afford the likes of LALLANA at market price.

KOEMAN has the job now of getting in another Number 1 Keeper - TOP Striker - and cover for a TOP Striker. cannot rely on just one player - because that is what we did with Rickie.

We need GOALS in our Team - From JRod - Lallana - Striker - and from a pacy Winger. ( with another hungry Striker on the Bench )

QUESTION FOR SAINTS FANS -

Can LALLANA be the Team Captain next Season - after all that has happened.

REWARD LOYALTY - COYR
I would go one further mate. I don't want Lallana at the club at all. At the very least he should never be considered for that armband again. He has treated the fans (and the management structure) of this great club with cynical contempt and he should reap exactly what he has sown. He only ever once had to be interviewed or put on the Saints website that he was under contract and going nowhere. He has caused a great deal of turmoil and possibly damage by deliberately allowing the rumours grow to suit his own design. There's no place in the team for someone with that attitude. IMHO - I guess there will be many who don't agree and those who don't just ask yourself what the captain of this great club has done to promote the club, its ethos, and most importantly us who pay his wages. The answer is nothing - it's all been about what Adam wants and surely he decided that when signed the new contract.
Quite frankly your attitude which is based mostly on hearsay is the one thing most likely to drive a player away, if you can provide us with sources and proof that he wants away, maybe then we may change our opinions, but more like as not. we will wish him good luck and support his replacement, I am not convinced yet that he is going anywhere, particularly as he clearly said on the BBC that he is looking forward to meeting the new Manager.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: NO COMPLAINTS. We are playing on the South American Continent and home advantage means that we will see a lot of those sides in the QF and SF. The adventure is over for some - time for the Players to WAKE UP and smell the Coffee - Club football awaits. LFC are massively in debt and cannot afford the likes of LALLANA at market price. KOEMAN has the job now of getting in another Number 1 Keeper - TOP Striker - and cover for a TOP Striker. cannot rely on just one player - because that is what we did with Rickie. We need GOALS in our Team - From JRod - Lallana - Striker - and from a pacy Winger. ( with another hungry Striker on the Bench ) QUESTION FOR SAINTS FANS - Can LALLANA be the Team Captain next Season - after all that has happened. REWARD LOYALTY - COYR[/p][/quote]I would go one further mate. I don't want Lallana at the club at all. At the very least he should never be considered for that armband again. He has treated the fans (and the management structure) of this great club with cynical contempt and he should reap exactly what he has sown. He only ever once had to be interviewed or put on the Saints website that he was under contract and going nowhere. He has caused a great deal of turmoil and possibly damage by deliberately allowing the rumours grow to suit his own design. There's no place in the team for someone with that attitude. IMHO - I guess there will be many who don't agree and those who don't just ask yourself what the captain of this great club has done to promote the club, its ethos, and most importantly us who pay his wages. The answer is nothing - it's all been about what Adam wants and surely he decided that when signed the new contract.[/p][/quote]Quite frankly your attitude which is based mostly on hearsay is the one thing most likely to drive a player away, if you can provide us with sources and proof that he wants away, maybe then we may change our opinions, but more like as not. we will wish him good luck and support his replacement, I am not convinced yet that he is going anywhere, particularly as he clearly said on the BBC that he is looking forward to meeting the new Manager. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

10:01am Sun 22 Jun 14

killared says...

People on here might hate me for my comment but English players are very average foreign players make the English look good on the pitch. For me and it's my opinion the only player who could play for a good foreign national side is lalana because he's skilful .
People on here might hate me for my comment but English players are very average foreign players make the English look good on the pitch. For me and it's my opinion the only player who could play for a good foreign national side is lalana because he's skilful . killared
  • Score: 1

10:06am Sun 22 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Confucious wrote:
According to a double page spread in the Sun today Luke was texting a dolly in LA at 3am after the Uruguay match asking playfully if he could have a threesome with her and her sister. Obviously a newspaper stitch-up, but the boy really does need to watch himself or he'll be in trouble.
At least Luke won't be "coming out", he might be going out though, perish the thought.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: According to a double page spread in the Sun today Luke was texting a dolly in LA at 3am after the Uruguay match asking playfully if he could have a threesome with her and her sister. Obviously a newspaper stitch-up, but the boy really does need to watch himself or he'll be in trouble.[/p][/quote]At least Luke won't be "coming out", he might be going out though, perish the thought. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

10:07am Sun 22 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

killared wrote:
People on here might hate me for my comment but English players are very average foreign players make the English look good on the pitch. For me and it's my opinion the only player who could play for a good foreign national side is lalana because he's skilful .
Steady, people won't hate you for having an opinion, and you shouldn't get upset if they disagree.
[quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: People on here might hate me for my comment but English players are very average foreign players make the English look good on the pitch. For me and it's my opinion the only player who could play for a good foreign national side is lalana because he's skilful .[/p][/quote]Steady, people won't hate you for having an opinion, and you shouldn't get upset if they disagree. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

10:30am Sun 22 Jun 14

TPFKARTSNINZ says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
killared wrote:
People on here might hate me for my comment but English players are very average foreign players make the English look good on the pitch. For me and it's my opinion the only player who could play for a good foreign national side is lalana because he's skilful .
Steady, people won't hate you for having an opinion, and you shouldn't get upset if they disagree.
I agree with our French fan. Most of the nations I have seen play in this World Cup are better than us.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: People on here might hate me for my comment but English players are very average foreign players make the English look good on the pitch. For me and it's my opinion the only player who could play for a good foreign national side is lalana because he's skilful .[/p][/quote]Steady, people won't hate you for having an opinion, and you shouldn't get upset if they disagree.[/p][/quote]I agree with our French fan. Most of the nations I have seen play in this World Cup are better than us. TPFKARTSNINZ
  • Score: 1

10:38am Sun 22 Jun 14

TPFKARTSNINZ says...

Iran for example gave Argentina a really tough game & had some good chances to win. A great team spirit & a desire to play for your country go a long way.
Iran for example gave Argentina a really tough game & had some good chances to win. A great team spirit & a desire to play for your country go a long way. TPFKARTSNINZ
  • Score: 1

10:52am Sun 22 Jun 14

Southseachris says...

For me it's the usual poor skills shown by our players as much as anything else. Too many passes that end up in the stand or to the opposition, too many balls mis-controlled, etc.
Watching Iran play yesterday made me think of how many teams we could realistically beat at this WC; certainly not Iran, Spain maybe??
For me it's the usual poor skills shown by our players as much as anything else. Too many passes that end up in the stand or to the opposition, too many balls mis-controlled, etc. Watching Iran play yesterday made me think of how many teams we could realistically beat at this WC; certainly not Iran, Spain maybe?? Southseachris
  • Score: 0

11:28am Sun 22 Jun 14

Positively4thStreet says...

I'm sure a lot of it has to be put down to the fact,that in the two games we lost,we actually conceded more goals than we scored.
I'm sure a lot of it has to be put down to the fact,that in the two games we lost,we actually conceded more goals than we scored. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 2

1:15pm Sun 22 Jun 14

saintlysoul says...

Confucious wrote:
According to a double page spread in the Sun today Luke was texting a dolly in LA at 3am after the Uruguay match asking playfully if he could have a threesome with her and her sister. Obviously a newspaper stitch-up, but the boy really does need to watch himself or he'll be in trouble.
Problem is he's thick!
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: According to a double page spread in the Sun today Luke was texting a dolly in LA at 3am after the Uruguay match asking playfully if he could have a threesome with her and her sister. Obviously a newspaper stitch-up, but the boy really does need to watch himself or he'll be in trouble.[/p][/quote]Problem is he's thick! saintlysoul
  • Score: -2

1:29pm Sun 22 Jun 14

saintlysoul says...

Confucious wrote:
According to a double page spread in the Sun today Luke was texting a dolly in LA at 3am after the Uruguay match asking playfully if he could have a threesome with her and her sister. Obviously a newspaper stitch-up, but the boy really does need to watch himself or he'll be in trouble.
Why do you say 'playfully'?
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: According to a double page spread in the Sun today Luke was texting a dolly in LA at 3am after the Uruguay match asking playfully if he could have a threesome with her and her sister. Obviously a newspaper stitch-up, but the boy really does need to watch himself or he'll be in trouble.[/p][/quote]Why do you say 'playfully'? saintlysoul
  • Score: -2

1:29pm Sun 22 Jun 14

saintlysoul says...

Confucious wrote:
According to a double page spread in the Sun today Luke was texting a dolly in LA at 3am after the Uruguay match asking playfully if he could have a threesome with her and her sister. Obviously a newspaper stitch-up, but the boy really does need to watch himself or he'll be in trouble.
Why do you say 'playfully'?
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: According to a double page spread in the Sun today Luke was texting a dolly in LA at 3am after the Uruguay match asking playfully if he could have a threesome with her and her sister. Obviously a newspaper stitch-up, but the boy really does need to watch himself or he'll be in trouble.[/p][/quote]Why do you say 'playfully'? saintlysoul
  • Score: -1

2:13pm Sun 22 Jun 14

bullsbags says...

Hello echo
Any chance of something new to read about and post on ?
plenty of news in the papers !
Hello echo Any chance of something new to read about and post on ? plenty of news in the papers ! bullsbags
  • Score: 2

3:08pm Sun 22 Jun 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

well I wonder where our fake diverpool fans are today, news that suarez the vampire wants out must have kept them away! after all their talk that he wanted to stay they must be a bit embarrassed, don't worry lads we know your poopey fans so we wont laugh too much!
well I wonder where our fake diverpool fans are today, news that suarez the vampire wants out must have kept them away! after all their talk that he wanted to stay they must be a bit embarrassed, don't worry lads we know your poopey fans so we wont laugh too much! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 4

3:21pm Sun 22 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
well I wonder where our fake diverpool fans are today, news that suarez the vampire wants out must have kept them away! after all their talk that he wanted to stay they must be a bit embarrassed, don't worry lads we know your poopey fans so we wont laugh too much!
He's 27 now and if he ever wants to play for a big club now is the time to move. I expect he's worth £80m so they should offer a tenner up front and the rest made up of 'add ons' over the next five years based on scoring at least a hat trick in every game.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: well I wonder where our fake diverpool fans are today, news that suarez the vampire wants out must have kept them away! after all their talk that he wanted to stay they must be a bit embarrassed, don't worry lads we know your poopey fans so we wont laugh too much![/p][/quote]He's 27 now and if he ever wants to play for a big club now is the time to move. I expect he's worth £80m so they should offer a tenner up front and the rest made up of 'add ons' over the next five years based on scoring at least a hat trick in every game. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 5

4:40pm Sun 22 Jun 14

george chivers says...

Breaking News

Graeme Murty Saints U16 coach is to leave the club and join Norwich City as reserve team coach. Murty, a Scottish International, is a former York City, Reading and Saints player. Murty captained Reading to their first PL promotion.
Breaking News Graeme Murty Saints U16 coach is to leave the club and join Norwich City as reserve team coach. Murty, a Scottish International, is a former York City, Reading and Saints player. Murty captained Reading to their first PL promotion. george chivers
  • Score: 0

5:19pm Sun 22 Jun 14

jls217 says...

miltonnroad76 wrote:
saintkenny wrote:
jls217 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
NO COMPLAINTS.

We are playing on the South American Continent and home advantage means that we will see a lot of those sides in the QF and SF.

The adventure is over for some - time for the Players to WAKE UP and smell the Coffee - Club football awaits.

LFC are massively in debt and cannot afford the likes of LALLANA at market price.

KOEMAN has the job now of getting in another Number 1 Keeper - TOP Striker - and cover for a TOP Striker. cannot rely on just one player - because that is what we did with Rickie.

We need GOALS in our Team - From JRod - Lallana - Striker - and from a pacy Winger. ( with another hungry Striker on the Bench )

QUESTION FOR SAINTS FANS -

Can LALLANA be the Team Captain next Season - after all that has happened.

REWARD LOYALTY - COYR
I would go one further mate. I don't want Lallana at the club at all. At the very least he should never be considered for that armband again. He has treated the fans (and the management structure) of this great club with cynical contempt and he should reap exactly what he has sown. He only ever once had to be interviewed or put on the Saints website that he was under contract and going nowhere. He has caused a great deal of turmoil and possibly damage by deliberately allowing the rumours grow to suit his own design. There's no place in the team for someone with that attitude. IMHO - I guess there will be many who don't agree and those who don't just ask yourself what the captain of this great club has done to promote the club, its ethos, and most importantly us who pay his wages. The answer is nothing - it's all been about what Adam wants and surely he decided that when signed the new contract.
your just speculating what the media has said .adam has not and has nothing to defend he has never sat at any video interview or and not on a radio either.he has never handed in a transfer request been at the club 12 years always shows adulation to the fans .because of his rise to stardom in the england set up .the agent and media just try to blow things up like lovren he has never handed in a transfer request .and the club as never said once any player is for sale .how about sticking to what players actually say rather than what the media .then make comments to have substance save yourself typing garbage
Dead right saint kenny and lovren has said he never handed in a request and lallana why should he respond to the media speculation dont think.shaw will not go to man utd as not in europe..as for Hodgson i agree with steve mcmahon for once that roy bottled it by picking welbeck and defensive henderson and that he should have gone with the players in form lallana berkely and lambert...he should give them and shaw a full game but he probably wont coz if it works he will look a pratt by not picking them to start in the other games..
Please read what was said before being critical of someone's post - it makes you look silly.

At no point did I say he or anyone else had tendered a transfer request or even asked for a possible move.

My criticism of him is he could have stopped all these rumours in their tracks weeks ago. As captain of our side, he should have been supporting the management structure, the club and the wellibeing of the fans - that is his responsibiliity. He should also be encouraging other players to be loyal to Saints. He only had to make the one statement. "I am the captain of Southampton FC and hope to be so for the remainder of my contract - I have no intentions of leaving Southampton" His job done - but he chose instead to indulge in some sort of Machiavellian plot to feather his own nest. Well guess what - this Saints fan says F--- off to whoever comes up with the cash. He doesn't deserve to be captain or a part of the team.
[quote][p][bold]miltonnroad76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: NO COMPLAINTS. We are playing on the South American Continent and home advantage means that we will see a lot of those sides in the QF and SF. The adventure is over for some - time for the Players to WAKE UP and smell the Coffee - Club football awaits. LFC are massively in debt and cannot afford the likes of LALLANA at market price. KOEMAN has the job now of getting in another Number 1 Keeper - TOP Striker - and cover for a TOP Striker. cannot rely on just one player - because that is what we did with Rickie. We need GOALS in our Team - From JRod - Lallana - Striker - and from a pacy Winger. ( with another hungry Striker on the Bench ) QUESTION FOR SAINTS FANS - Can LALLANA be the Team Captain next Season - after all that has happened. REWARD LOYALTY - COYR[/p][/quote]I would go one further mate. I don't want Lallana at the club at all. At the very least he should never be considered for that armband again. He has treated the fans (and the management structure) of this great club with cynical contempt and he should reap exactly what he has sown. He only ever once had to be interviewed or put on the Saints website that he was under contract and going nowhere. He has caused a great deal of turmoil and possibly damage by deliberately allowing the rumours grow to suit his own design. There's no place in the team for someone with that attitude. IMHO - I guess there will be many who don't agree and those who don't just ask yourself what the captain of this great club has done to promote the club, its ethos, and most importantly us who pay his wages. The answer is nothing - it's all been about what Adam wants and surely he decided that when signed the new contract.[/p][/quote]your just speculating what the media has said .adam has not and has nothing to defend he has never sat at any video interview or and not on a radio either.he has never handed in a transfer request been at the club 12 years always shows adulation to the fans .because of his rise to stardom in the england set up .the agent and media just try to blow things up like lovren he has never handed in a transfer request .and the club as never said once any player is for sale .how about sticking to what players actually say rather than what the media .then make comments to have substance save yourself typing garbage[/p][/quote]Dead right saint kenny and lovren has said he never handed in a request and lallana why should he respond to the media speculation dont think.shaw will not go to man utd as not in europe..as for Hodgson i agree with steve mcmahon for once that roy bottled it by picking welbeck and defensive henderson and that he should have gone with the players in form lallana berkely and lambert...he should give them and shaw a full game but he probably wont coz if it works he will look a pratt by not picking them to start in the other games..[/p][/quote]Please read what was said before being critical of someone's post - it makes you look silly. At no point did I say he or anyone else had tendered a transfer request or even asked for a possible move. My criticism of him is he could have stopped all these rumours in their tracks weeks ago. As captain of our side, he should have been supporting the management structure, the club and the wellibeing of the fans - that is his responsibiliity. He should also be encouraging other players to be loyal to Saints. He only had to make the one statement. "I am the captain of Southampton FC and hope to be so for the remainder of my contract - I have no intentions of leaving Southampton" His job done - but he chose instead to indulge in some sort of Machiavellian plot to feather his own nest. Well guess what - this Saints fan says F--- off to whoever comes up with the cash. He doesn't deserve to be captain or a part of the team. jls217
  • Score: 0

5:26pm Sun 22 Jun 14

jls217 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jls217 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
NO COMPLAINTS.

We are playing on the South American Continent and home advantage means that we will see a lot of those sides in the QF and SF.

The adventure is over for some - time for the Players to WAKE UP and smell the Coffee - Club football awaits.

LFC are massively in debt and cannot afford the likes of LALLANA at market price.

KOEMAN has the job now of getting in another Number 1 Keeper - TOP Striker - and cover for a TOP Striker. cannot rely on just one player - because that is what we did with Rickie.

We need GOALS in our Team - From JRod - Lallana - Striker - and from a pacy Winger. ( with another hungry Striker on the Bench )

QUESTION FOR SAINTS FANS -

Can LALLANA be the Team Captain next Season - after all that has happened.

REWARD LOYALTY - COYR
I would go one further mate. I don't want Lallana at the club at all. At the very least he should never be considered for that armband again. He has treated the fans (and the management structure) of this great club with cynical contempt and he should reap exactly what he has sown. He only ever once had to be interviewed or put on the Saints website that he was under contract and going nowhere. He has caused a great deal of turmoil and possibly damage by deliberately allowing the rumours grow to suit his own design. There's no place in the team for someone with that attitude. IMHO - I guess there will be many who don't agree and those who don't just ask yourself what the captain of this great club has done to promote the club, its ethos, and most importantly us who pay his wages. The answer is nothing - it's all been about what Adam wants and surely he decided that when signed the new contract.
Quite frankly your attitude which is based mostly on hearsay is the one thing most likely to drive a player away, if you can provide us with sources and proof that he wants away, maybe then we may change our opinions, but more like as not. we will wish him good luck and support his replacement, I am not convinced yet that he is going anywhere, particularly as he clearly said on the BBC that he is looking forward to meeting the new Manager.
Osprey - I don't often find myself at loggerheads with you but you really should read my post - It has NOTHING to do with hearsay it is more to do with what he has and is NOT saying. As captain he has responsibilities beyond just himself.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: NO COMPLAINTS. We are playing on the South American Continent and home advantage means that we will see a lot of those sides in the QF and SF. The adventure is over for some - time for the Players to WAKE UP and smell the Coffee - Club football awaits. LFC are massively in debt and cannot afford the likes of LALLANA at market price. KOEMAN has the job now of getting in another Number 1 Keeper - TOP Striker - and cover for a TOP Striker. cannot rely on just one player - because that is what we did with Rickie. We need GOALS in our Team - From JRod - Lallana - Striker - and from a pacy Winger. ( with another hungry Striker on the Bench ) QUESTION FOR SAINTS FANS - Can LALLANA be the Team Captain next Season - after all that has happened. REWARD LOYALTY - COYR[/p][/quote]I would go one further mate. I don't want Lallana at the club at all. At the very least he should never be considered for that armband again. He has treated the fans (and the management structure) of this great club with cynical contempt and he should reap exactly what he has sown. He only ever once had to be interviewed or put on the Saints website that he was under contract and going nowhere. He has caused a great deal of turmoil and possibly damage by deliberately allowing the rumours grow to suit his own design. There's no place in the team for someone with that attitude. IMHO - I guess there will be many who don't agree and those who don't just ask yourself what the captain of this great club has done to promote the club, its ethos, and most importantly us who pay his wages. The answer is nothing - it's all been about what Adam wants and surely he decided that when signed the new contract.[/p][/quote]Quite frankly your attitude which is based mostly on hearsay is the one thing most likely to drive a player away, if you can provide us with sources and proof that he wants away, maybe then we may change our opinions, but more like as not. we will wish him good luck and support his replacement, I am not convinced yet that he is going anywhere, particularly as he clearly said on the BBC that he is looking forward to meeting the new Manager.[/p][/quote]Osprey - I don't often find myself at loggerheads with you but you really should read my post - It has NOTHING to do with hearsay it is more to do with what he has and is NOT saying. As captain he has responsibilities beyond just himself. jls217
  • Score: 1

5:39pm Sun 22 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

jls217 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jls217 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
NO COMPLAINTS.

We are playing on the South American Continent and home advantage means that we will see a lot of those sides in the QF and SF.

The adventure is over for some - time for the Players to WAKE UP and smell the Coffee - Club football awaits.

LFC are massively in debt and cannot afford the likes of LALLANA at market price.

KOEMAN has the job now of getting in another Number 1 Keeper - TOP Striker - and cover for a TOP Striker. cannot rely on just one player - because that is what we did with Rickie.

We need GOALS in our Team - From JRod - Lallana - Striker - and from a pacy Winger. ( with another hungry Striker on the Bench )

QUESTION FOR SAINTS FANS -

Can LALLANA be the Team Captain next Season - after all that has happened.

REWARD LOYALTY - COYR
I would go one further mate. I don't want Lallana at the club at all. At the very least he should never be considered for that armband again. He has treated the fans (and the management structure) of this great club with cynical contempt and he should reap exactly what he has sown. He only ever once had to be interviewed or put on the Saints website that he was under contract and going nowhere. He has caused a great deal of turmoil and possibly damage by deliberately allowing the rumours grow to suit his own design. There's no place in the team for someone with that attitude. IMHO - I guess there will be many who don't agree and those who don't just ask yourself what the captain of this great club has done to promote the club, its ethos, and most importantly us who pay his wages. The answer is nothing - it's all been about what Adam wants and surely he decided that when signed the new contract.
Quite frankly your attitude which is based mostly on hearsay is the one thing most likely to drive a player away, if you can provide us with sources and proof that he wants away, maybe then we may change our opinions, but more like as not. we will wish him good luck and support his replacement, I am not convinced yet that he is going anywhere, particularly as he clearly said on the BBC that he is looking forward to meeting the new Manager.
Osprey - I don't often find myself at loggerheads with you but you really should read my post - It has NOTHING to do with hearsay it is more to do with what he has and is NOT saying. As captain he has responsibilities beyond just himself.
I think he is a bit busy with other things right now, he will tell us when he is good and ready, and as always whatever it is, we will be the last to know so we should not be jumping to conclusions. You may think it is his duty to tell us, sadly I guess he probably doesn't think that way.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: NO COMPLAINTS. We are playing on the South American Continent and home advantage means that we will see a lot of those sides in the QF and SF. The adventure is over for some - time for the Players to WAKE UP and smell the Coffee - Club football awaits. LFC are massively in debt and cannot afford the likes of LALLANA at market price. KOEMAN has the job now of getting in another Number 1 Keeper - TOP Striker - and cover for a TOP Striker. cannot rely on just one player - because that is what we did with Rickie. We need GOALS in our Team - From JRod - Lallana - Striker - and from a pacy Winger. ( with another hungry Striker on the Bench ) QUESTION FOR SAINTS FANS - Can LALLANA be the Team Captain next Season - after all that has happened. REWARD LOYALTY - COYR[/p][/quote]I would go one further mate. I don't want Lallana at the club at all. At the very least he should never be considered for that armband again. He has treated the fans (and the management structure) of this great club with cynical contempt and he should reap exactly what he has sown. He only ever once had to be interviewed or put on the Saints website that he was under contract and going nowhere. He has caused a great deal of turmoil and possibly damage by deliberately allowing the rumours grow to suit his own design. There's no place in the team for someone with that attitude. IMHO - I guess there will be many who don't agree and those who don't just ask yourself what the captain of this great club has done to promote the club, its ethos, and most importantly us who pay his wages. The answer is nothing - it's all been about what Adam wants and surely he decided that when signed the new contract.[/p][/quote]Quite frankly your attitude which is based mostly on hearsay is the one thing most likely to drive a player away, if you can provide us with sources and proof that he wants away, maybe then we may change our opinions, but more like as not. we will wish him good luck and support his replacement, I am not convinced yet that he is going anywhere, particularly as he clearly said on the BBC that he is looking forward to meeting the new Manager.[/p][/quote]Osprey - I don't often find myself at loggerheads with you but you really should read my post - It has NOTHING to do with hearsay it is more to do with what he has and is NOT saying. As captain he has responsibilities beyond just himself.[/p][/quote]I think he is a bit busy with other things right now, he will tell us when he is good and ready, and as always whatever it is, we will be the last to know so we should not be jumping to conclusions. You may think it is his duty to tell us, sadly I guess he probably doesn't think that way. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

5:59pm Sun 22 Jun 14

Positively4thStreet says...

So,Roy's got a vision,which the players share,and its all about the future...Roy,you're starting to sound like a politician now!
So,Roy's got a vision,which the players share,and its all about the future...Roy,you're starting to sound like a politician now! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

6:18pm Sun 22 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
So,Roy's got a vision,which the players share,and its all about the future...Roy,you're starting to sound like a politician now!
More a diplomat than an MP methinks.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: So,Roy's got a vision,which the players share,and its all about the future...Roy,you're starting to sound like a politician now![/p][/quote]More a diplomat than an MP methinks. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

6:28pm Sun 22 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

jls217 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jls217 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
NO COMPLAINTS.

We are playing on the South American Continent and home advantage means that we will see a lot of those sides in the QF and SF.

The adventure is over for some - time for the Players to WAKE UP and smell the Coffee - Club football awaits.

LFC are massively in debt and cannot afford the likes of LALLANA at market price.

KOEMAN has the job now of getting in another Number 1 Keeper - TOP Striker - and cover for a TOP Striker. cannot rely on just one player - because that is what we did with Rickie.

We need GOALS in our Team - From JRod - Lallana - Striker - and from a pacy Winger. ( with another hungry Striker on the Bench )

QUESTION FOR SAINTS FANS -

Can LALLANA be the Team Captain next Season - after all that has happened.

REWARD LOYALTY - COYR
I would go one further mate. I don't want Lallana at the club at all. At the very least he should never be considered for that armband again. He has treated the fans (and the management structure) of this great club with cynical contempt and he should reap exactly what he has sown. He only ever once had to be interviewed or put on the Saints website that he was under contract and going nowhere. He has caused a great deal of turmoil and possibly damage by deliberately allowing the rumours grow to suit his own design. There's no place in the team for someone with that attitude. IMHO - I guess there will be many who don't agree and those who don't just ask yourself what the captain of this great club has done to promote the club, its ethos, and most importantly us who pay his wages. The answer is nothing - it's all been about what Adam wants and surely he decided that when signed the new contract.
Quite frankly your attitude which is based mostly on hearsay is the one thing most likely to drive a player away, if you can provide us with sources and proof that he wants away, maybe then we may change our opinions, but more like as not. we will wish him good luck and support his replacement, I am not convinced yet that he is going anywhere, particularly as he clearly said on the BBC that he is looking forward to meeting the new Manager.
Osprey - I don't often find myself at loggerheads with you but you really should read my post - It has NOTHING to do with hearsay it is more to do with what he has and is NOT saying. As captain he has responsibilities beyond just himself.
I haven't said that you are actually incorrect in your assumpion that he wants away, I just don't know and neither do you, so the statement "I would go one further mate. I don't want Lallana at the club at all." seems a tad hasty in my own opinion. I can understand why you feel that way, you are not alone in thinking in this direction, not by a long chalk judging by comments on other sites and twitter in general, it is a very disturbing affair and I think we, the fans should have been better informed about the situation, no doubt others can say why we are being kept in the dark, as I don't understand the situation at all.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: NO COMPLAINTS. We are playing on the South American Continent and home advantage means that we will see a lot of those sides in the QF and SF. The adventure is over for some - time for the Players to WAKE UP and smell the Coffee - Club football awaits. LFC are massively in debt and cannot afford the likes of LALLANA at market price. KOEMAN has the job now of getting in another Number 1 Keeper - TOP Striker - and cover for a TOP Striker. cannot rely on just one player - because that is what we did with Rickie. We need GOALS in our Team - From JRod - Lallana - Striker - and from a pacy Winger. ( with another hungry Striker on the Bench ) QUESTION FOR SAINTS FANS - Can LALLANA be the Team Captain next Season - after all that has happened. REWARD LOYALTY - COYR[/p][/quote]I would go one further mate. I don't want Lallana at the club at all. At the very least he should never be considered for that armband again. He has treated the fans (and the management structure) of this great club with cynical contempt and he should reap exactly what he has sown. He only ever once had to be interviewed or put on the Saints website that he was under contract and going nowhere. He has caused a great deal of turmoil and possibly damage by deliberately allowing the rumours grow to suit his own design. There's no place in the team for someone with that attitude. IMHO - I guess there will be many who don't agree and those who don't just ask yourself what the captain of this great club has done to promote the club, its ethos, and most importantly us who pay his wages. The answer is nothing - it's all been about what Adam wants and surely he decided that when signed the new contract.[/p][/quote]Quite frankly your attitude which is based mostly on hearsay is the one thing most likely to drive a player away, if you can provide us with sources and proof that he wants away, maybe then we may change our opinions, but more like as not. we will wish him good luck and support his replacement, I am not convinced yet that he is going anywhere, particularly as he clearly said on the BBC that he is looking forward to meeting the new Manager.[/p][/quote]Osprey - I don't often find myself at loggerheads with you but you really should read my post - It has NOTHING to do with hearsay it is more to do with what he has and is NOT saying. As captain he has responsibilities beyond just himself.[/p][/quote]I haven't said that you are actually incorrect in your assumpion that he wants away, I just don't know and neither do you, so the statement "I would go one further mate. I don't want Lallana at the club at all." seems a tad hasty in my own opinion. I can understand why you feel that way, you are not alone in thinking in this direction, not by a long chalk judging by comments on other sites and twitter in general, it is a very disturbing affair and I think we, the fans should have been better informed about the situation, no doubt others can say why we are being kept in the dark, as I don't understand the situation at all. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

6:37pm Sun 22 Jun 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

jls217 wrote:
miltonnroad76 wrote:
saintkenny wrote:
jls217 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
NO COMPLAINTS.

We are playing on the South American Continent and home advantage means that we will see a lot of those sides in the QF and SF.

The adventure is over for some - time for the Players to WAKE UP and smell the Coffee - Club football awaits.

LFC are massively in debt and cannot afford the likes of LALLANA at market price.

KOEMAN has the job now of getting in another Number 1 Keeper - TOP Striker - and cover for a TOP Striker. cannot rely on just one player - because that is what we did with Rickie.

We need GOALS in our Team - From JRod - Lallana - Striker - and from a pacy Winger. ( with another hungry Striker on the Bench )

QUESTION FOR SAINTS FANS -

Can LALLANA be the Team Captain next Season - after all that has happened.

REWARD LOYALTY - COYR
I would go one further mate. I don't want Lallana at the club at all. At the very least he should never be considered for that armband again. He has treated the fans (and the management structure) of this great club with cynical contempt and he should reap exactly what he has sown. He only ever once had to be interviewed or put on the Saints website that he was under contract and going nowhere. He has caused a great deal of turmoil and possibly damage by deliberately allowing the rumours grow to suit his own design. There's no place in the team for someone with that attitude. IMHO - I guess there will be many who don't agree and those who don't just ask yourself what the captain of this great club has done to promote the club, its ethos, and most importantly us who pay his wages. The answer is nothing - it's all been about what Adam wants and surely he decided that when signed the new contract.
your just speculating what the media has said .adam has not and has nothing to defend he has never sat at any video interview or and not on a radio either.he has never handed in a transfer request been at the club 12 years always shows adulation to the fans .because of his rise to stardom in the england set up .the agent and media just try to blow things up like lovren he has never handed in a transfer request .and the club as never said once any player is for sale .how about sticking to what players actually say rather than what the media .then make comments to have substance save yourself typing garbage
Dead right saint kenny and lovren has said he never handed in a request and lallana why should he respond to the media speculation dont think.shaw will not go to man utd as not in europe..as for Hodgson i agree with steve mcmahon for once that roy bottled it by picking welbeck and defensive henderson and that he should have gone with the players in form lallana berkely and lambert...he should give them and shaw a full game but he probably wont coz if it works he will look a pratt by not picking them to start in the other games..
Please read what was said before being critical of someone's post - it makes you look silly.

At no point did I say he or anyone else had tendered a transfer request or even asked for a possible move.

My criticism of him is he could have stopped all these rumours in their tracks weeks ago. As captain of our side, he should have been supporting the management structure, the club and the wellibeing of the fans - that is his responsibiliity. He should also be encouraging other players to be loyal to Saints. He only had to make the one statement. "I am the captain of Southampton FC and hope to be so for the remainder of my contract - I have no intentions of leaving Southampton" His job done - but he chose instead to indulge in some sort of Machiavellian plot to feather his own nest. Well guess what - this Saints fan says F--- off to whoever comes up with the cash. He doesn't deserve to be captain or a part of the team.
problem is though JLS that the England manager/camp might have told players to only talk about England in press conferences. he also might have been told by saints not to talk about rumours. its not just Lalla that hasn't spoken its every player, unless of course the stories about dejan denying his transfer request are true.
Lalla might be using these rumours to get a pay rise, who wouldn't. if its true that Osvaldo was earning twice as much as him last year why wouldn't he ask for the same.
I will all become clear soon enough so I think you should just cut him some slack for a while, well at least until we know some more. I will one of the first to criticise him if he has been a toaster!
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonnroad76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: NO COMPLAINTS. We are playing on the South American Continent and home advantage means that we will see a lot of those sides in the QF and SF. The adventure is over for some - time for the Players to WAKE UP and smell the Coffee - Club football awaits. LFC are massively in debt and cannot afford the likes of LALLANA at market price. KOEMAN has the job now of getting in another Number 1 Keeper - TOP Striker - and cover for a TOP Striker. cannot rely on just one player - because that is what we did with Rickie. We need GOALS in our Team - From JRod - Lallana - Striker - and from a pacy Winger. ( with another hungry Striker on the Bench ) QUESTION FOR SAINTS FANS - Can LALLANA be the Team Captain next Season - after all that has happened. REWARD LOYALTY - COYR[/p][/quote]I would go one further mate. I don't want Lallana at the club at all. At the very least he should never be considered for that armband again. He has treated the fans (and the management structure) of this great club with cynical contempt and he should reap exactly what he has sown. He only ever once had to be interviewed or put on the Saints website that he was under contract and going nowhere. He has caused a great deal of turmoil and possibly damage by deliberately allowing the rumours grow to suit his own design. There's no place in the team for someone with that attitude. IMHO - I guess there will be many who don't agree and those who don't just ask yourself what the captain of this great club has done to promote the club, its ethos, and most importantly us who pay his wages. The answer is nothing - it's all been about what Adam wants and surely he decided that when signed the new contract.[/p][/quote]your just speculating what the media has said .adam has not and has nothing to defend he has never sat at any video interview or and not on a radio either.he has never handed in a transfer request been at the club 12 years always shows adulation to the fans .because of his rise to stardom in the england set up .the agent and media just try to blow things up like lovren he has never handed in a transfer request .and the club as never said once any player is for sale .how about sticking to what players actually say rather than what the media .then make comments to have substance save yourself typing garbage[/p][/quote]Dead right saint kenny and lovren has said he never handed in a request and lallana why should he respond to the media speculation dont think.shaw will not go to man utd as not in europe..as for Hodgson i agree with steve mcmahon for once that roy bottled it by picking welbeck and defensive henderson and that he should have gone with the players in form lallana berkely and lambert...he should give them and shaw a full game but he probably wont coz if it works he will look a pratt by not picking them to start in the other games..[/p][/quote]Please read what was said before being critical of someone's post - it makes you look silly. At no point did I say he or anyone else had tendered a transfer request or even asked for a possible move. My criticism of him is he could have stopped all these rumours in their tracks weeks ago. As captain of our side, he should have been supporting the management structure, the club and the wellibeing of the fans - that is his responsibiliity. He should also be encouraging other players to be loyal to Saints. He only had to make the one statement. "I am the captain of Southampton FC and hope to be so for the remainder of my contract - I have no intentions of leaving Southampton" His job done - but he chose instead to indulge in some sort of Machiavellian plot to feather his own nest. Well guess what - this Saints fan says F--- off to whoever comes up with the cash. He doesn't deserve to be captain or a part of the team.[/p][/quote]problem is though JLS that the England manager/camp might have told players to only talk about England in press conferences. he also might have been told by saints not to talk about rumours. its not just Lalla that hasn't spoken its every player, unless of course the stories about dejan denying his transfer request are true. Lalla might be using these rumours to get a pay rise, who wouldn't. if its true that Osvaldo was earning twice as much as him last year why wouldn't he ask for the same. I will all become clear soon enough so I think you should just cut him some slack for a while, well at least until we know some more. I will one of the first to criticise him if he has been a toaster! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 2

6:49pm Sun 22 Jun 14

jls217 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jls217 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jls217 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
NO COMPLAINTS.

We are playing on the South American Continent and home advantage means that we will see a lot of those sides in the QF and SF.

The adventure is over for some - time for the Players to WAKE UP and smell the Coffee - Club football awaits.

LFC are massively in debt and cannot afford the likes of LALLANA at market price.

KOEMAN has the job now of getting in another Number 1 Keeper - TOP Striker - and cover for a TOP Striker. cannot rely on just one player - because that is what we did with Rickie.

We need GOALS in our Team - From JRod - Lallana - Striker - and from a pacy Winger. ( with another hungry Striker on the Bench )

QUESTION FOR SAINTS FANS -

Can LALLANA be the Team Captain next Season - after all that has happened.

REWARD LOYALTY - COYR
I would go one further mate. I don't want Lallana at the club at all. At the very least he should never be considered for that armband again. He has treated the fans (and the management structure) of this great club with cynical contempt and he should reap exactly what he has sown. He only ever once had to be interviewed or put on the Saints website that he was under contract and going nowhere. He has caused a great deal of turmoil and possibly damage by deliberately allowing the rumours grow to suit his own design. There's no place in the team for someone with that attitude. IMHO - I guess there will be many who don't agree and those who don't just ask yourself what the captain of this great club has done to promote the club, its ethos, and most importantly us who pay his wages. The answer is nothing - it's all been about what Adam wants and surely he decided that when signed the new contract.
Quite frankly your attitude which is based mostly on hearsay is the one thing most likely to drive a player away, if you can provide us with sources and proof that he wants away, maybe then we may change our opinions, but more like as not. we will wish him good luck and support his replacement, I am not convinced yet that he is going anywhere, particularly as he clearly said on the BBC that he is looking forward to meeting the new Manager.
Osprey - I don't often find myself at loggerheads with you but you really should read my post - It has NOTHING to do with hearsay it is more to do with what he has and is NOT saying. As captain he has responsibilities beyond just himself.
I think he is a bit busy with other things right now, he will tell us when he is good and ready, and as always whatever it is, we will be the last to know so we should not be jumping to conclusions. You may think it is his duty to tell us, sadly I guess he probably doesn't think that way.
"You may think it is his duty to tell us, sadly I guess he probably doesn't think that way". And that is exactly why he does not deserve to be the captain of this club. This self-centred young man has forgotten his responsibility to those who pay his wages - us, the fans. It cannot be considered unimportant to inform the fans and the club in one 1 minute statement that you are taking your position seriously and there can be no substance to any transfer speculation as you are contracted to the club for the next four years. Thereby killing all rancour, speculation, accusation and affirming your loyalty to those loyal to you. Not got time to issue that statement or something similiar - utter nonsense!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: NO COMPLAINTS. We are playing on the South American Continent and home advantage means that we will see a lot of those sides in the QF and SF. The adventure is over for some - time for the Players to WAKE UP and smell the Coffee - Club football awaits. LFC are massively in debt and cannot afford the likes of LALLANA at market price. KOEMAN has the job now of getting in another Number 1 Keeper - TOP Striker - and cover for a TOP Striker. cannot rely on just one player - because that is what we did with Rickie. We need GOALS in our Team - From JRod - Lallana - Striker - and from a pacy Winger. ( with another hungry Striker on the Bench ) QUESTION FOR SAINTS FANS - Can LALLANA be the Team Captain next Season - after all that has happened. REWARD LOYALTY - COYR[/p][/quote]I would go one further mate. I don't want Lallana at the club at all. At the very least he should never be considered for that armband again. He has treated the fans (and the management structure) of this great club with cynical contempt and he should reap exactly what he has sown. He only ever once had to be interviewed or put on the Saints website that he was under contract and going nowhere. He has caused a great deal of turmoil and possibly damage by deliberately allowing the rumours grow to suit his own design. There's no place in the team for someone with that attitude. IMHO - I guess there will be many who don't agree and those who don't just ask yourself what the captain of this great club has done to promote the club, its ethos, and most importantly us who pay his wages. The answer is nothing - it's all been about what Adam wants and surely he decided that when signed the new contract.[/p][/quote]Quite frankly your attitude which is based mostly on hearsay is the one thing most likely to drive a player away, if you can provide us with sources and proof that he wants away, maybe then we may change our opinions, but more like as not. we will wish him good luck and support his replacement, I am not convinced yet that he is going anywhere, particularly as he clearly said on the BBC that he is looking forward to meeting the new Manager.[/p][/quote]Osprey - I don't often find myself at loggerheads with you but you really should read my post - It has NOTHING to do with hearsay it is more to do with what he has and is NOT saying. As captain he has responsibilities beyond just himself.[/p][/quote]I think he is a bit busy with other things right now, he will tell us when he is good and ready, and as always whatever it is, we will be the last to know so we should not be jumping to conclusions. You may think it is his duty to tell us, sadly I guess he probably doesn't think that way.[/p][/quote]"You may think it is his duty to tell us, sadly I guess he probably doesn't think that way". And that is exactly why he does not deserve to be the captain of this club. This self-centred young man has forgotten his responsibility to those who pay his wages - us, the fans. It cannot be considered unimportant to inform the fans and the club in one 1 minute statement that you are taking your position seriously and there can be no substance to any transfer speculation as you are contracted to the club for the next four years. Thereby killing all rancour, speculation, accusation and affirming your loyalty to those loyal to you. Not got time to issue that statement or something similiar - utter nonsense! jls217
  • Score: 1

6:52pm Sun 22 Jun 14

Positively4thStreet says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
So,Roy's got a vision,which the players share,and its all about the future...Roy,you're starting to sound like a politician now!
More a diplomat than an MP methinks.
Yeah,and Greg Dyke has given him diplomatic immunity.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: So,Roy's got a vision,which the players share,and its all about the future...Roy,you're starting to sound like a politician now![/p][/quote]More a diplomat than an MP methinks.[/p][/quote]Yeah,and Greg Dyke has given him diplomatic immunity. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

6:59pm Sun 22 Jun 14

jls217 says...

"Osvaldo was earning twice as much as him last year why wouldn't he ask for the same".

He had the opportunity to do that when signing his new five year contract - one year into a contract is not the time.

He had the time before leaving Florida to make a statement either personally or through his agent - He chose not to.

He has been specifically asked in interviews questions re transfer speculation - he chose not to say "I am contracted to Southampton FC for the next four years - I am going nowhere. Now can we talk about the competition please - end of problem.

No comment has been forthcoming from him or his agent. - Deplorable.
If he wants to play money mind games then his heart is not into being the captain of this great club and so it should be removed from him.
"Osvaldo was earning twice as much as him last year why wouldn't he ask for the same". He had the opportunity to do that when signing his new five year contract - one year into a contract is not the time. He had the time before leaving Florida to make a statement either personally or through his agent - He chose not to. He has been specifically asked in interviews questions re transfer speculation - he chose not to say "I am contracted to Southampton FC for the next four years - I am going nowhere. Now can we talk about the competition please - end of problem. No comment has been forthcoming from him or his agent. - Deplorable. If he wants to play money mind games then his heart is not into being the captain of this great club and so it should be removed from him. jls217
  • Score: -1

7:30pm Sun 22 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

jls217 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jls217 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jls217 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
NO COMPLAINTS.

We are playing on the South American Continent and home advantage means that we will see a lot of those sides in the QF and SF.

The adventure is over for some - time for the Players to WAKE UP and smell the Coffee - Club football awaits.

LFC are massively in debt and cannot afford the likes of LALLANA at market price.

KOEMAN has the job now of getting in another Number 1 Keeper - TOP Striker - and cover for a TOP Striker. cannot rely on just one player - because that is what we did with Rickie.

We need GOALS in our Team - From JRod - Lallana - Striker - and from a pacy Winger. ( with another hungry Striker on the Bench )

QUESTION FOR SAINTS FANS -

Can LALLANA be the Team Captain next Season - after all that has happened.

REWARD LOYALTY - COYR
I would go one further mate. I don't want Lallana at the club at all. At the very least he should never be considered for that armband again. He has treated the fans (and the management structure) of this great club with cynical contempt and he should reap exactly what he has sown. He only ever once had to be interviewed or put on the Saints website that he was under contract and going nowhere. He has caused a great deal of turmoil and possibly damage by deliberately allowing the rumours grow to suit his own design. There's no place in the team for someone with that attitude. IMHO - I guess there will be many who don't agree and those who don't just ask yourself what the captain of this great club has done to promote the club, its ethos, and most importantly us who pay his wages. The answer is nothing - it's all been about what Adam wants and surely he decided that when signed the new contract.
Quite frankly your attitude which is based mostly on hearsay is the one thing most likely to drive a player away, if you can provide us with sources and proof that he wants away, maybe then we may change our opinions, but more like as not. we will wish him good luck and support his replacement, I am not convinced yet that he is going anywhere, particularly as he clearly said on the BBC that he is looking forward to meeting the new Manager.
Osprey - I don't often find myself at loggerheads with you but you really should read my post - It has NOTHING to do with hearsay it is more to do with what he has and is NOT saying. As captain he has responsibilities beyond just himself.
I think he is a bit busy with other things right now, he will tell us when he is good and ready, and as always whatever it is, we will be the last to know so we should not be jumping to conclusions. You may think it is his duty to tell us, sadly I guess he probably doesn't think that way.
"You may think it is his duty to tell us, sadly I guess he probably doesn't think that way". And that is exactly why he does not deserve to be the captain of this club. This self-centred young man has forgotten his responsibility to those who pay his wages - us, the fans. It cannot be considered unimportant to inform the fans and the club in one 1 minute statement that you are taking your position seriously and there can be no substance to any transfer speculation as you are contracted to the club for the next four years. Thereby killing all rancour, speculation, accusation and affirming your loyalty to those loyal to you. Not got time to issue that statement or something similiar - utter nonsense!
I will still wait for something more specific before making any further comment, there has to be a reason for the silence, it just doesn't add up. I am not a happy bunny at the moment, but I don't want to make myself look daft over something I have no clear knowledge about or any control over.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: NO COMPLAINTS. We are playing on the South American Continent and home advantage means that we will see a lot of those sides in the QF and SF. The adventure is over for some - time for the Players to WAKE UP and smell the Coffee - Club football awaits. LFC are massively in debt and cannot afford the likes of LALLANA at market price. KOEMAN has the job now of getting in another Number 1 Keeper - TOP Striker - and cover for a TOP Striker. cannot rely on just one player - because that is what we did with Rickie. We need GOALS in our Team - From JRod - Lallana - Striker - and from a pacy Winger. ( with another hungry Striker on the Bench ) QUESTION FOR SAINTS FANS - Can LALLANA be the Team Captain next Season - after all that has happened. REWARD LOYALTY - COYR[/p][/quote]I would go one further mate. I don't want Lallana at the club at all. At the very least he should never be considered for that armband again. He has treated the fans (and the management structure) of this great club with cynical contempt and he should reap exactly what he has sown. He only ever once had to be interviewed or put on the Saints website that he was under contract and going nowhere. He has caused a great deal of turmoil and possibly damage by deliberately allowing the rumours grow to suit his own design. There's no place in the team for someone with that attitude. IMHO - I guess there will be many who don't agree and those who don't just ask yourself what the captain of this great club has done to promote the club, its ethos, and most importantly us who pay his wages. The answer is nothing - it's all been about what Adam wants and surely he decided that when signed the new contract.[/p][/quote]Quite frankly your attitude which is based mostly on hearsay is the one thing most likely to drive a player away, if you can provide us with sources and proof that he wants away, maybe then we may change our opinions, but more like as not. we will wish him good luck and support his replacement, I am not convinced yet that he is going anywhere, particularly as he clearly said on the BBC that he is looking forward to meeting the new Manager.[/p][/quote]Osprey - I don't often find myself at loggerheads with you but you really should read my post - It has NOTHING to do with hearsay it is more to do with what he has and is NOT saying. As captain he has responsibilities beyond just himself.[/p][/quote]I think he is a bit busy with other things right now, he will tell us when he is good and ready, and as always whatever it is, we will be the last to know so we should not be jumping to conclusions. You may think it is his duty to tell us, sadly I guess he probably doesn't think that way.[/p][/quote]"You may think it is his duty to tell us, sadly I guess he probably doesn't think that way". And that is exactly why he does not deserve to be the captain of this club. This self-centred young man has forgotten his responsibility to those who pay his wages - us, the fans. It cannot be considered unimportant to inform the fans and the club in one 1 minute statement that you are taking your position seriously and there can be no substance to any transfer speculation as you are contracted to the club for the next four years. Thereby killing all rancour, speculation, accusation and affirming your loyalty to those loyal to you. Not got time to issue that statement or something similiar - utter nonsense![/p][/quote]I will still wait for something more specific before making any further comment, there has to be a reason for the silence, it just doesn't add up. I am not a happy bunny at the moment, but I don't want to make myself look daft over something I have no clear knowledge about or any control over. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

8:38pm Sun 22 Jun 14

jls217 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jls217 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jls217 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jls217 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
NO COMPLAINTS.

We are playing on the South American Continent and home advantage means that we will see a lot of those sides in the QF and SF.

The adventure is over for some - time for the Players to WAKE UP and smell the Coffee - Club football awaits.

LFC are massively in debt and cannot afford the likes of LALLANA at market price.

KOEMAN has the job now of getting in another Number 1 Keeper - TOP Striker - and cover for a TOP Striker. cannot rely on just one player - because that is what we did with Rickie.

We need GOALS in our Team - From JRod - Lallana - Striker - and from a pacy Winger. ( with another hungry Striker on the Bench )

QUESTION FOR SAINTS FANS -

Can LALLANA be the Team Captain next Season - after all that has happened.

REWARD LOYALTY - COYR
I would go one further mate. I don't want Lallana at the club at all. At the very least he should never be considered for that armband again. He has treated the fans (and the management structure) of this great club with cynical contempt and he should reap exactly what he has sown. He only ever once had to be interviewed or put on the Saints website that he was under contract and going nowhere. He has caused a great deal of turmoil and possibly damage by deliberately allowing the rumours grow to suit his own design. There's no place in the team for someone with that attitude. IMHO - I guess there will be many who don't agree and those who don't just ask yourself what the captain of this great club has done to promote the club, its ethos, and most importantly us who pay his wages. The answer is nothing - it's all been about what Adam wants and surely he decided that when signed the new contract.
Quite frankly your attitude which is based mostly on hearsay is the one thing most likely to drive a player away, if you can provide us with sources and proof that he wants away, maybe then we may change our opinions, but more like as not. we will wish him good luck and support his replacement, I am not convinced yet that he is going anywhere, particularly as he clearly said on the BBC that he is looking forward to meeting the new Manager.
Osprey - I don't often find myself at loggerheads with you but you really should read my post - It has NOTHING to do with hearsay it is more to do with what he has and is NOT saying. As captain he has responsibilities beyond just himself.
I think he is a bit busy with other things right now, he will tell us when he is good and ready, and as always whatever it is, we will be the last to know so we should not be jumping to conclusions. You may think it is his duty to tell us, sadly I guess he probably doesn't think that way.
"You may think it is his duty to tell us, sadly I guess he probably doesn't think that way". And that is exactly why he does not deserve to be the captain of this club. This self-centred young man has forgotten his responsibility to those who pay his wages - us, the fans. It cannot be considered unimportant to inform the fans and the club in one 1 minute statement that you are taking your position seriously and there can be no substance to any transfer speculation as you are contracted to the club for the next four years. Thereby killing all rancour, speculation, accusation and affirming your loyalty to those loyal to you. Not got time to issue that statement or something similiar - utter nonsense!
I will still wait for something more specific before making any further comment, there has to be a reason for the silence, it just doesn't add up. I am not a happy bunny at the moment, but I don't want to make myself look daft over something I have no clear knowledge about or any control over.
Understand your position.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: NO COMPLAINTS. We are playing on the South American Continent and home advantage means that we will see a lot of those sides in the QF and SF. The adventure is over for some - time for the Players to WAKE UP and smell the Coffee - Club football awaits. LFC are massively in debt and cannot afford the likes of LALLANA at market price. KOEMAN has the job now of getting in another Number 1 Keeper - TOP Striker - and cover for a TOP Striker. cannot rely on just one player - because that is what we did with Rickie. We need GOALS in our Team - From JRod - Lallana - Striker - and from a pacy Winger. ( with another hungry Striker on the Bench ) QUESTION FOR SAINTS FANS - Can LALLANA be the Team Captain next Season - after all that has happened. REWARD LOYALTY - COYR[/p][/quote]I would go one further mate. I don't want Lallana at the club at all. At the very least he should never be considered for that armband again. He has treated the fans (and the management structure) of this great club with cynical contempt and he should reap exactly what he has sown. He only ever once had to be interviewed or put on the Saints website that he was under contract and going nowhere. He has caused a great deal of turmoil and possibly damage by deliberately allowing the rumours grow to suit his own design. There's no place in the team for someone with that attitude. IMHO - I guess there will be many who don't agree and those who don't just ask yourself what the captain of this great club has done to promote the club, its ethos, and most importantly us who pay his wages. The answer is nothing - it's all been about what Adam wants and surely he decided that when signed the new contract.[/p][/quote]Quite frankly your attitude which is based mostly on hearsay is the one thing most likely to drive a player away, if you can provide us with sources and proof that he wants away, maybe then we may change our opinions, but more like as not. we will wish him good luck and support his replacement, I am not convinced yet that he is going anywhere, particularly as he clearly said on the BBC that he is looking forward to meeting the new Manager.[/p][/quote]Osprey - I don't often find myself at loggerheads with you but you really should read my post - It has NOTHING to do with hearsay it is more to do with what he has and is NOT saying. As captain he has responsibilities beyond just himself.[/p][/quote]I think he is a bit busy with other things right now, he will tell us when he is good and ready, and as always whatever it is, we will be the last to know so we should not be jumping to conclusions. You may think it is his duty to tell us, sadly I guess he probably doesn't think that way.[/p][/quote]"You may think it is his duty to tell us, sadly I guess he probably doesn't think that way". And that is exactly why he does not deserve to be the captain of this club. This self-centred young man has forgotten his responsibility to those who pay his wages - us, the fans. It cannot be considered unimportant to inform the fans and the club in one 1 minute statement that you are taking your position seriously and there can be no substance to any transfer speculation as you are contracted to the club for the next four years. Thereby killing all rancour, speculation, accusation and affirming your loyalty to those loyal to you. Not got time to issue that statement or something similiar - utter nonsense![/p][/quote]I will still wait for something more specific before making any further comment, there has to be a reason for the silence, it just doesn't add up. I am not a happy bunny at the moment, but I don't want to make myself look daft over something I have no clear knowledge about or any control over.[/p][/quote]Understand your position. jls217
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9:26pm Sun 22 Jun 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

jls217 wrote:
"Osvaldo was earning twice as much as him last year why wouldn't he ask for the same".

He had the opportunity to do that when signing his new five year contract - one year into a contract is not the time.

He had the time before leaving Florida to make a statement either personally or through his agent - He chose not to.

He has been specifically asked in interviews questions re transfer speculation - he chose not to say "I am contracted to Southampton FC for the next four years - I am going nowhere. Now can we talk about the competition please - end of problem.

No comment has been forthcoming from him or his agent. - Deplorable.
If he wants to play money mind games then his heart is not into being the captain of this great club and so it should be removed from him.
JLS I know what your saying and will totally agree with you if the media speculation is correct.
I think though he signed his new deal before Osvaldo joined us so he wouldn't have known at the time what Osvaldo was getting. don't forget he might have been told by the club that his wages were the highest they could pay, they then sign Osvaldo on more money. how would you feel?
I don't think ive seen one interview where he has been asked about the media frenzy. the only time I have seen any direct quotes, or seen/heard him talk are after the last game where he said it doesn't mean its his last game for us and recently when he said that he wanted to meet the koeman bros.
as I said there may be perfectly good reasons why he hasn't spoken about the speculation, England or saints might have blocked him who knows.
again he might just be using the speculation to get a better deal, yes he just signed one but with a new board in place he might see if he can get a better deal out of them.
don't forget he will have agents, advisors, England and saints telling him what he can and cant say. he also has secret agent scouser in his ear.
diverpool have been leaking lots of carp about the transfer to the press in an attempt to unsettle him and force the move, I have even seen stories where its claimed he grew up as a diverpool fan, when we all know he was everton! all the pressure coming from diverpool with `last time take it or leave it` `he has asked to leave` `desperate to join diverpool` `he will have to put in a transfer request` stories in the press and yet he still hasn't put in the request. he might do after he gets home but I will wait until he does before I slate him. as I say though I can see your point of view and am not saying you are wrong, we just see things differently.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: "Osvaldo was earning twice as much as him last year why wouldn't he ask for the same". He had the opportunity to do that when signing his new five year contract - one year into a contract is not the time. He had the time before leaving Florida to make a statement either personally or through his agent - He chose not to. He has been specifically asked in interviews questions re transfer speculation - he chose not to say "I am contracted to Southampton FC for the next four years - I am going nowhere. Now can we talk about the competition please - end of problem. No comment has been forthcoming from him or his agent. - Deplorable. If he wants to play money mind games then his heart is not into being the captain of this great club and so it should be removed from him.[/p][/quote]JLS I know what your saying and will totally agree with you if the media speculation is correct. I think though he signed his new deal before Osvaldo joined us so he wouldn't have known at the time what Osvaldo was getting. don't forget he might have been told by the club that his wages were the highest they could pay, they then sign Osvaldo on more money. how would you feel? I don't think ive seen one interview where he has been asked about the media frenzy. the only time I have seen any direct quotes, or seen/heard him talk are after the last game where he said it doesn't mean its his last game for us and recently when he said that he wanted to meet the koeman bros. as I said there may be perfectly good reasons why he hasn't spoken about the speculation, England or saints might have blocked him who knows. again he might just be using the speculation to get a better deal, yes he just signed one but with a new board in place he might see if he can get a better deal out of them. don't forget he will have agents, advisors, England and saints telling him what he can and cant say. he also has secret agent scouser in his ear. diverpool have been leaking lots of carp about the transfer to the press in an attempt to unsettle him and force the move, I have even seen stories where its claimed he grew up as a diverpool fan, when we all know he was everton! all the pressure coming from diverpool with `last time take it or leave it` `he has asked to leave` `desperate to join diverpool` `he will have to put in a transfer request` stories in the press and yet he still hasn't put in the request. he might do after he gets home but I will wait until he does before I slate him. as I say though I can see your point of view and am not saying you are wrong, we just see things differently. de Heiligen paard 101
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11:21pm Sun 22 Jun 14

jls217 says...

Still missing the point mate. Everything you have outlined above need not and would not have happened if he had just stuck to his contract which is what honourable people are expected to do.

It matters not there is a new board, tea lady, burgervan outside the stadium.

It matters not who has been tapping him (as it seems they may have been)

It matters not when Osvaldo arrived or when Lallana signed.

He only ever had to say I am under contract to Southampton.
His silence has encourage weeks of speculation in the media frenzy re him. He could have stopped it all dead with that one statement. Deliberately vague comments such as can't wait to meet the Koemam bros, I'll wait till after the world cup, it doesn't mean my last game for Southampton. It matters not who is advising him - he is a grown man, captain of my club and representing my country and he cannot make the only honourable decision available and that is to refute all the nonsense by stating the bleeding obvious about being under contract and therefore a Saints player and it wouldn't have hurt him to say he'd be proud to be captain for the new season if required to do so.
Silence and vagueness to suit his own selfish ends at a time when as captain he should have been assisting the board in steadying the ship. In any other industry in the world he would have been asked to fall on his sword for that sort of disloyalty, lack of character and lapse in decision making. Here endeth the prosecution m'lud
Still missing the point mate. Everything you have outlined above need not and would not have happened if he had just stuck to his contract which is what honourable people are expected to do. It matters not there is a new board, tea lady, burgervan outside the stadium. It matters not who has been tapping him (as it seems they may have been) It matters not when Osvaldo arrived or when Lallana signed. He only ever had to say I am under contract to Southampton. His silence has encourage weeks of speculation in the media frenzy re him. He could have stopped it all dead with that one statement. Deliberately vague comments such as can't wait to meet the Koemam bros, I'll wait till after the world cup, it doesn't mean my last game for Southampton. It matters not who is advising him - he is a grown man, captain of my club and representing my country and he cannot make the only honourable decision available and that is to refute all the nonsense by stating the bleeding obvious about being under contract and therefore a Saints player and it wouldn't have hurt him to say he'd be proud to be captain for the new season if required to do so. Silence and vagueness to suit his own selfish ends at a time when as captain he should have been assisting the board in steadying the ship. In any other industry in the world he would have been asked to fall on his sword for that sort of disloyalty, lack of character and lapse in decision making. Here endeth the prosecution m'lud jls217
  • Score: 1

11:55pm Sun 22 Jun 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

jls217 wrote:
Still missing the point mate. Everything you have outlined above need not and would not have happened if he had just stuck to his contract which is what honourable people are expected to do.

It matters not there is a new board, tea lady, burgervan outside the stadium.

It matters not who has been tapping him (as it seems they may have been)

It matters not when Osvaldo arrived or when Lallana signed.

He only ever had to say I am under contract to Southampton.
His silence has encourage weeks of speculation in the media frenzy re him. He could have stopped it all dead with that one statement. Deliberately vague comments such as can't wait to meet the Koemam bros, I'll wait till after the world cup, it doesn't mean my last game for Southampton. It matters not who is advising him - he is a grown man, captain of my club and representing my country and he cannot make the only honourable decision available and that is to refute all the nonsense by stating the bleeding obvious about being under contract and therefore a Saints player and it wouldn't have hurt him to say he'd be proud to be captain for the new season if required to do so.
Silence and vagueness to suit his own selfish ends at a time when as captain he should have been assisting the board in steadying the ship. In any other industry in the world he would have been asked to fall on his sword for that sort of disloyalty, lack of character and lapse in decision making. Here endeth the prosecution m'lud
I agree, the easiest way of stopping this would be for Lalla to come out and make the statement we all want to hear. I am just giving examples of why he might not have done so and am prepared to wait until he returns from the world cup to see what happens.
I don't think it would matter that much even if he did though, the press would still invent some carp about him wanting out. maybe ben smith of the bbc or our old friend ashton, don't forget that dejan said he was happy here and then ashton came up with the `he has put in a transfer request` story saying that he did it within a couple of days of his original statement, no quotes no facts given yet many saints fans have turned on dejan because f that story!
as I say you can slate him all you like, I`m not saying your wrong to do so, personally im prepared to give him the benefit o doubt for now.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: Still missing the point mate. Everything you have outlined above need not and would not have happened if he had just stuck to his contract which is what honourable people are expected to do. It matters not there is a new board, tea lady, burgervan outside the stadium. It matters not who has been tapping him (as it seems they may have been) It matters not when Osvaldo arrived or when Lallana signed. He only ever had to say I am under contract to Southampton. His silence has encourage weeks of speculation in the media frenzy re him. He could have stopped it all dead with that one statement. Deliberately vague comments such as can't wait to meet the Koemam bros, I'll wait till after the world cup, it doesn't mean my last game for Southampton. It matters not who is advising him - he is a grown man, captain of my club and representing my country and he cannot make the only honourable decision available and that is to refute all the nonsense by stating the bleeding obvious about being under contract and therefore a Saints player and it wouldn't have hurt him to say he'd be proud to be captain for the new season if required to do so. Silence and vagueness to suit his own selfish ends at a time when as captain he should have been assisting the board in steadying the ship. In any other industry in the world he would have been asked to fall on his sword for that sort of disloyalty, lack of character and lapse in decision making. Here endeth the prosecution m'lud[/p][/quote]I agree, the easiest way of stopping this would be for Lalla to come out and make the statement we all want to hear. I am just giving examples of why he might not have done so and am prepared to wait until he returns from the world cup to see what happens. I don't think it would matter that much even if he did though, the press would still invent some carp about him wanting out. maybe ben smith of the bbc or our old friend ashton, don't forget that dejan said he was happy here and then ashton came up with the `he has put in a transfer request` story saying that he did it within a couple of days of his original statement, no quotes no facts given yet many saints fans have turned on dejan because f that story! as I say you can slate him all you like, I`m not saying your wrong to do so, personally im prepared to give him the benefit o doubt for now. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 0

11:25am Mon 23 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

jls217 wrote:
Still missing the point mate. Everything you have outlined above need not and would not have happened if he had just stuck to his contract which is what honourable people are expected to do.

It matters not there is a new board, tea lady, burgervan outside the stadium.

It matters not who has been tapping him (as it seems they may have been)

It matters not when Osvaldo arrived or when Lallana signed.

He only ever had to say I am under contract to Southampton.
His silence has encourage weeks of speculation in the media frenzy re him. He could have stopped it all dead with that one statement. Deliberately vague comments such as can't wait to meet the Koemam bros, I'll wait till after the world cup, it doesn't mean my last game for Southampton. It matters not who is advising him - he is a grown man, captain of my club and representing my country and he cannot make the only honourable decision available and that is to refute all the nonsense by stating the bleeding obvious about being under contract and therefore a Saints player and it wouldn't have hurt him to say he'd be proud to be captain for the new season if required to do so.
Silence and vagueness to suit his own selfish ends at a time when as captain he should have been assisting the board in steadying the ship. In any other industry in the world he would have been asked to fall on his sword for that sort of disloyalty, lack of character and lapse in decision making. Here endeth the prosecution m'lud
Circumstantial.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: Still missing the point mate. Everything you have outlined above need not and would not have happened if he had just stuck to his contract which is what honourable people are expected to do. It matters not there is a new board, tea lady, burgervan outside the stadium. It matters not who has been tapping him (as it seems they may have been) It matters not when Osvaldo arrived or when Lallana signed. He only ever had to say I am under contract to Southampton. His silence has encourage weeks of speculation in the media frenzy re him. He could have stopped it all dead with that one statement. Deliberately vague comments such as can't wait to meet the Koemam bros, I'll wait till after the world cup, it doesn't mean my last game for Southampton. It matters not who is advising him - he is a grown man, captain of my club and representing my country and he cannot make the only honourable decision available and that is to refute all the nonsense by stating the bleeding obvious about being under contract and therefore a Saints player and it wouldn't have hurt him to say he'd be proud to be captain for the new season if required to do so. Silence and vagueness to suit his own selfish ends at a time when as captain he should have been assisting the board in steadying the ship. In any other industry in the world he would have been asked to fall on his sword for that sort of disloyalty, lack of character and lapse in decision making. Here endeth the prosecution m'lud[/p][/quote]Circumstantial. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

2:22pm Mon 23 Jun 14

jls217 says...

Dan Howard wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Dan Howard wrote:
Brazil

"No Country for Old Men"

Experience is one thing, 'past it' is another.
Tell that to Pirlo.
Would that be the Pirlo that was marked out of the game last night or another one?
Touche!
[quote][p][bold]Dan Howard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Howard[/bold] wrote: Brazil "No Country for Old Men" Experience is one thing, 'past it' is another.[/p][/quote]Tell that to Pirlo.[/p][/quote]Would that be the Pirlo that was marked out of the game last night or another one?[/p][/quote]Touche! jls217
  • Score: 0

2:24pm Mon 23 Jun 14

jls217 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Still missing the point mate. Everything you have outlined above need not and would not have happened if he had just stuck to his contract which is what honourable people are expected to do.

It matters not there is a new board, tea lady, burgervan outside the stadium.

It matters not who has been tapping him (as it seems they may have been)

It matters not when Osvaldo arrived or when Lallana signed.

He only ever had to say I am under contract to Southampton.
His silence has encourage weeks of speculation in the media frenzy re him. He could have stopped it all dead with that one statement. Deliberately vague comments such as can't wait to meet the Koemam bros, I'll wait till after the world cup, it doesn't mean my last game for Southampton. It matters not who is advising him - he is a grown man, captain of my club and representing my country and he cannot make the only honourable decision available and that is to refute all the nonsense by stating the bleeding obvious about being under contract and therefore a Saints player and it wouldn't have hurt him to say he'd be proud to be captain for the new season if required to do so.
Silence and vagueness to suit his own selfish ends at a time when as captain he should have been assisting the board in steadying the ship. In any other industry in the world he would have been asked to fall on his sword for that sort of disloyalty, lack of character and lapse in decision making. Here endeth the prosecution m'lud
Circumstantial.
Circumsized if he comes up before me again!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: Still missing the point mate. Everything you have outlined above need not and would not have happened if he had just stuck to his contract which is what honourable people are expected to do. It matters not there is a new board, tea lady, burgervan outside the stadium. It matters not who has been tapping him (as it seems they may have been) It matters not when Osvaldo arrived or when Lallana signed. He only ever had to say I am under contract to Southampton. His silence has encourage weeks of speculation in the media frenzy re him. He could have stopped it all dead with that one statement. Deliberately vague comments such as can't wait to meet the Koemam bros, I'll wait till after the world cup, it doesn't mean my last game for Southampton. It matters not who is advising him - he is a grown man, captain of my club and representing my country and he cannot make the only honourable decision available and that is to refute all the nonsense by stating the bleeding obvious about being under contract and therefore a Saints player and it wouldn't have hurt him to say he'd be proud to be captain for the new season if required to do so. Silence and vagueness to suit his own selfish ends at a time when as captain he should have been assisting the board in steadying the ship. In any other industry in the world he would have been asked to fall on his sword for that sort of disloyalty, lack of character and lapse in decision making. Here endeth the prosecution m'lud[/p][/quote]Circumstantial.[/p][/quote]Circumsized if he comes up before me again! jls217
  • Score: 0

8:27pm Wed 2 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

jls217 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Still missing the point mate. Everything you have outlined above need not and would not have happened if he had just stuck to his contract which is what honourable people are expected to do.

It matters not there is a new board, tea lady, burgervan outside the stadium.

It matters not who has been tapping him (as it seems they may have been)

It matters not when Osvaldo arrived or when Lallana signed.

He only ever had to say I am under contract to Southampton.
His silence has encourage weeks of speculation in the media frenzy re him. He could have stopped it all dead with that one statement. Deliberately vague comments such as can't wait to meet the Koemam bros, I'll wait till after the world cup, it doesn't mean my last game for Southampton. It matters not who is advising him - he is a grown man, captain of my club and representing my country and he cannot make the only honourable decision available and that is to refute all the nonsense by stating the bleeding obvious about being under contract and therefore a Saints player and it wouldn't have hurt him to say he'd be proud to be captain for the new season if required to do so.
Silence and vagueness to suit his own selfish ends at a time when as captain he should have been assisting the board in steadying the ship. In any other industry in the world he would have been asked to fall on his sword for that sort of disloyalty, lack of character and lapse in decision making. Here endeth the prosecution m'lud
Circumstantial.
Circumsized if he comes up before me again!
That's no skin off my nose.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: Still missing the point mate. Everything you have outlined above need not and would not have happened if he had just stuck to his contract which is what honourable people are expected to do. It matters not there is a new board, tea lady, burgervan outside the stadium. It matters not who has been tapping him (as it seems they may have been) It matters not when Osvaldo arrived or when Lallana signed. He only ever had to say I am under contract to Southampton. His silence has encourage weeks of speculation in the media frenzy re him. He could have stopped it all dead with that one statement. Deliberately vague comments such as can't wait to meet the Koemam bros, I'll wait till after the world cup, it doesn't mean my last game for Southampton. It matters not who is advising him - he is a grown man, captain of my club and representing my country and he cannot make the only honourable decision available and that is to refute all the nonsense by stating the bleeding obvious about being under contract and therefore a Saints player and it wouldn't have hurt him to say he'd be proud to be captain for the new season if required to do so. Silence and vagueness to suit his own selfish ends at a time when as captain he should have been assisting the board in steadying the ship. In any other industry in the world he would have been asked to fall on his sword for that sort of disloyalty, lack of character and lapse in decision making. Here endeth the prosecution m'lud[/p][/quote]Circumstantial.[/p][/quote]Circumsized if he comes up before me again![/p][/quote]That's no skin off my nose. OSPREYSAINT
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