Saints dream looks a nightmare

Rickie Lambert

Rickie Lambert

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IS attempting to break into the Premier League’s top six really worth the effort?

Saints fans can be forgiven for asking that question in the wake of the departures of Mauricio Pochettino and Rickie Lambert – and the likelihood that many more players will join the exodus out of St Mary’s.

With Adam Lallana about to follow Lambert to Anfield, Luke Shaw seemingly destined for Manchester United and other players also linked elsewhere, it is hard to recall many clubs being more victimised by their own success than Saints this summer.

They have dared to dream and look what it has got them; the break-up of one of the best teams in the club’s history, one that had the potential to become its greatest XI, is being torn asunder.

Apparently, the long-term aim remains – to continue the push for Europe next season – and if the monies from these player sales are re-invested wisely in the team by whoever replaces Pochettino, that is possible.

But, realistically, Saints’ best chance to make the Premier League’s top six has gone. It is thirty years since the club’s highest-ever league placing, runners-up to a great Liverpool side under Lawrie McMenemy.

But these days there are three leagues within the Premier League and Saints have been up there with the best of the top flight’s ‘second division’ this year, as they did when finishing eighth under Gordon Strachan in 2003.

Plenty of other ‘unfashionable’ clubs have finished in the top eight since then. Fulham have done so twice and Bolton Wanderers did it four seasons on the trot from 2004-07, finishing as high as sixth in 2005, with Middlesbrough just behind them – and look where those clubs are now.

West Brom were nearly relegated after struggling to repeat their eighth place of the previous season and Aston Villa are unrecognisable from the team that achieved three successive top-six finishes from 2008-10.

Then there is Pompey, whose fall from eighth place six years ago has been the most spectacular.

But Saints are unique among those clubs – and especially Pompey – in that they had a foundation and a long-term plan in place that could well have seen them shake up the elite by using this season as a launch pad.

Professional sport is nothing without ambition but it needs to be tempered by realism. Saints have hit a glass ceiling, as Charlton Athletic did before Alan Curbishley was forced out by Addicks fans not content with several mid-table finishes.

Last year, Tony Pulis was wise enough to realise he had taken Stoke City as far as he could and now has Crystal Palace batting well above their average.

But where Saints differ from these clubs is its structure and its assets, most notably the academy.

There will be another wave of graduates coming through to join Sam Gallagher, Calum Chambers and James Ward-Prowse soon enough.

But it is a truism that the nearer Saints get to the fringes of the Premier League’s elite, the greater the chance their best players will leave – with England manager Roy Hodgson, when talking of Lambert’s Kop move, saying “there are always big fish in the sea and it’s hard to keep those fish away”.

Saints were in the Championship when Gareth Bale and Theo Walcott were sold, but the reality is that, even as a top-eight outfit, they are a selling club.

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7:04am Mon 2 Jun 14

midlandsaint says...

"IS attempting to break into the Premier League’s top six really worth the effort?

Saints fans can be forgiven for asking that question in the wake of the departures of Mauricio Pochettino and Ric
kie Lambert – and the likelihood that many more players will join the exodus out of St Mary’s."

Im not sure many Saints fans are or should be asking that question. Of course we should be trying to break into the top six.

Its just that ideally we want Adz and Luke and others to play a key part
and its a real shame that Rickie couldnt be with us too, though im delighted that after his contribution to our dream rise he's been rewarded with his dream move to the club he's loved all his life.

For me, retaining our key players is central to breaking into the top six. Adam and Luke will both be very difficult to replace, 25 and 27 million each respectively is not enough to replace them quality wise or potential wise.

It is largely that last point that disappoints me. if we let our best players go then in my opinion the chance of a top six finish is lost.
"IS attempting to break into the Premier League’s top six really worth the effort? Saints fans can be forgiven for asking that question in the wake of the departures of Mauricio Pochettino and Ric kie Lambert – and the likelihood that many more players will join the exodus out of St Mary’s." Im not sure many Saints fans are or should be asking that question. Of course we should be trying to break into the top six. Its just that ideally we want Adz and Luke and others to play a key part and its a real shame that Rickie couldnt be with us too, though im delighted that after his contribution to our dream rise he's been rewarded with his dream move to the club he's loved all his life. For me, retaining our key players is central to breaking into the top six. Adam and Luke will both be very difficult to replace, 25 and 27 million each respectively is not enough to replace them quality wise or potential wise. It is largely that last point that disappoints me. if we let our best players go then in my opinion the chance of a top six finish is lost. midlandsaint
  • Score: 3

7:05am Mon 2 Jun 14

Hockeyj says...

What a truly awful article at a time when saints fans need reassurance that things will be alright the "local" paper sticks the knife in further
What a truly awful article at a time when saints fans need reassurance that things will be alright the "local" paper sticks the knife in further Hockeyj
  • Score: 51

7:14am Mon 2 Jun 14

costa gaz says...

The happy clappers will soon be on to have another go at the Echo for writing more negative articles, but this is the absolute truth of the matter.

A new big name manager will not stop players leaving, unfortunately we have produced a number of players more than capable of playing at a higher level. I know some of you think that the higher level could have been achieved with us, but I'm afraid our current wage policy prevents us going to the next level with this team.
There are a large number of first team players who could command 2 or 3 times what they are earning here, if you were in their shoes what would you do?

Who ever takes over will have an huge task, hitting the ground running will now take a minor miracle.
The happy clappers will soon be on to have another go at the Echo for writing more negative articles, but this is the absolute truth of the matter. A new big name manager will not stop players leaving, unfortunately we have produced a number of players more than capable of playing at a higher level. I know some of you think that the higher level could have been achieved with us, but I'm afraid our current wage policy prevents us going to the next level with this team. There are a large number of first team players who could command 2 or 3 times what they are earning here, if you were in their shoes what would you do? Who ever takes over will have an huge task, hitting the ground running will now take a minor miracle. costa gaz
  • Score: 24

7:16am Mon 2 Jun 14

Bobs Your Uncle ? says...

Hockeyj wrote:
What a truly awful article at a time when saints fans need reassurance that things will be alright the "local" paper sticks the knife in further
100 millions worth of players will be sold to clear the debts .
[quote][p][bold]Hockeyj[/bold] wrote: What a truly awful article at a time when saints fans need reassurance that things will be alright the "local" paper sticks the knife in further[/p][/quote]100 millions worth of players will be sold to clear the debts . Bobs Your Uncle ?
  • Score: -31

7:22am Mon 2 Jun 14

saint christopher says...

Hockeyj wrote:
What a truly awful article at a time when saints fans need reassurance that things will be alright the "local" paper sticks the knife in further
Spot on.

Totally unnecessary and pointless article that only proves the anti-Saints bias that is increasingly obvious within the reporting of what should be the most supportive media outlet.

We all know the difficulties of breaking into that top group and that the big fish will always think they can have what they want when they want it. But we also know that Saints are the first club that is genuinely trying to break the mold of buying PL success (with the aid of the new financial regulations).

Either support that or limit yourself to reporting factual statements only. At the moment you're behaving no better than the very worse gutter journalism.

I'm just looking forward to hearing about a new manager (whoever he is - personally I'd like Benitez) and letting him tell the big fish where they can swim to.
[quote][p][bold]Hockeyj[/bold] wrote: What a truly awful article at a time when saints fans need reassurance that things will be alright the "local" paper sticks the knife in further[/p][/quote]Spot on. Totally unnecessary and pointless article that only proves the anti-Saints bias that is increasingly obvious within the reporting of what should be the most supportive media outlet. We all know the difficulties of breaking into that top group and that the big fish will always think they can have what they want when they want it. But we also know that Saints are the first club that is genuinely trying to break the mold of buying PL success (with the aid of the new financial regulations). Either support that or limit yourself to reporting factual statements only. At the moment you're behaving no better than the very worse gutter journalism. I'm just looking forward to hearing about a new manager (whoever he is - personally I'd like Benitez) and letting him tell the big fish where they can swim to. saint christopher
  • Score: 16

7:27am Mon 2 Jun 14

search for the truth says...

Quote ......

" But, realistically, Saints’ best chance to make the Premier League’s top six has gone. It is thirty years since the club’s highest-ever league placing, runners-up to a great Liverpool side under Lawrie McMenemy. "


Need I say more

Forever in our shadow ! ! !
Quote ...... " But, realistically, Saints’ best chance to make the Premier League’s top six has gone. It is thirty years since the club’s highest-ever league placing, runners-up to a great Liverpool side under Lawrie McMenemy. " Need I say more Forever in our shadow ! ! ! search for the truth
  • Score: -29

7:35am Mon 2 Jun 14

NC Fan4Life says...

Its not too much to push for from where we are at the moment.

The key is to appoint a top big name manager asap.

Rafa Benitez wants to come back to the Premiership. He is proven, successful and high profile that would lift Saints as the signing of Kevin Keegan at the time.

With Benitez on board he would convince Adam etc to stay and get the 3 or 4 quality players to join that would push us on into Europe as Ralph has said is the intention. We would recover his high salary in no time.

Use Osvaldo as a part exchange for one striker we do want and sign another that Rafa would attract for say £22m. Then with a further £10m and a couple of out of contract players to get a centerback, goalkeeper etc,
it is an expenditure that we can afford to do.

So come on Katharina, Ralph & Les show us that ambition and GO GET RAFA NOW !!
Its not too much to push for from where we are at the moment. The key is to appoint a top big name manager asap. Rafa Benitez wants to come back to the Premiership. He is proven, successful and high profile that would lift Saints as the signing of Kevin Keegan at the time. With Benitez on board he would convince Adam etc to stay and get the 3 or 4 quality players to join that would push us on into Europe as Ralph has said is the intention. We would recover his high salary in no time. Use Osvaldo as a part exchange for one striker we do want and sign another that Rafa would attract for say £22m. Then with a further £10m and a couple of out of contract players to get a centerback, goalkeeper etc, it is an expenditure that we can afford to do. So come on Katharina, Ralph & Les show us that ambition and GO GET RAFA NOW !! NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 0

7:36am Mon 2 Jun 14

Costa Baz says...

When wealthy clubs, such as Chelsea, buy players and "stockpile" them, solely to stop other teams from strengthening, it will forever be an uphill battle for any club to break into the "elite".
It's made worse when said players are then loaned to other clubs, in the same division, who are not considered a threat to the top 6, and then help their temporary team take points off of other top 6 teams. Think Lukaku.

You also have to consider what constitutes "ambition" in some players' minds.

Is it playing in the Champions League, is it sitting on the bench during a CL game, or is it doubling their wage from a difficult to live on £35k a week?
When wealthy clubs, such as Chelsea, buy players and "stockpile" them, solely to stop other teams from strengthening, it will forever be an uphill battle for any club to break into the "elite". It's made worse when said players are then loaned to other clubs, in the same division, who are not considered a threat to the top 6, and then help their temporary team take points off of other top 6 teams. Think Lukaku. You also have to consider what constitutes "ambition" in some players' minds. Is it playing in the Champions League, is it sitting on the bench during a CL game, or is it doubling their wage from a difficult to live on £35k a week? Costa Baz
  • Score: 15

7:53am Mon 2 Jun 14

HarrytheHorse33 says...

I don't post very often, but read the Echo daily and enjoy the threads, posts and general banter. However, I'm looking forward to this week with an open mind with regards to the new manager and proposed transfers in and out.
Are we really victims of our own success? Quite possibly, and no doubt we will see some of our 'favourites' moving on to pastures new.
But what I find frustrating is why does this have to be the 'end of the road' regarding our own ambition to progress? All fans know and accept that the so-called 'big fish' will circle. We probably all reluctantly accept that AL, LS and maybe one or two more could go, but that doesn't mean we can't go and bring in some exciting replacements under a new manager with his own ideas to take OUR club forward.
Last week was abit of a hammer-blow with MP and now SRL departing, but this week could well be the start of something new and equally exciting!
Forever a Saints fan regardless....... COYR!!!
I don't post very often, but read the Echo daily and enjoy the threads, posts and general banter. However, I'm looking forward to this week with an open mind with regards to the new manager and proposed transfers in and out. Are we really victims of our own success? Quite possibly, and no doubt we will see some of our 'favourites' moving on to pastures new. But what I find frustrating is why does this have to be the 'end of the road' regarding our own ambition to progress? All fans know and accept that the so-called 'big fish' will circle. We probably all reluctantly accept that AL, LS and maybe one or two more could go, but that doesn't mean we can't go and bring in some exciting replacements under a new manager with his own ideas to take OUR club forward. Last week was abit of a hammer-blow with MP and now SRL departing, but this week could well be the start of something new and equally exciting! Forever a Saints fan regardless....... COYR!!! HarrytheHorse33
  • Score: 22

8:08am Mon 2 Jun 14

saintbobby says...

HarrytheHorse33 wrote:
I don't post very often, but read the Echo daily and enjoy the threads, posts and general banter. However, I'm looking forward to this week with an open mind with regards to the new manager and proposed transfers in and out.
Are we really victims of our own success? Quite possibly, and no doubt we will see some of our 'favourites' moving on to pastures new.
But what I find frustrating is why does this have to be the 'end of the road' regarding our own ambition to progress? All fans know and accept that the so-called 'big fish' will circle. We probably all reluctantly accept that AL, LS and maybe one or two more could go, but that doesn't mean we can't go and bring in some exciting replacements under a new manager with his own ideas to take OUR club forward.
Last week was abit of a hammer-blow with MP and now SRL departing, but this week could well be the start of something new and equally exciting!
Forever a Saints fan regardless....... COYR!!!
Harry thanks for a bit of optimism. Cheered me up again just as LeGod did last week.

But, and I am sure this is the bl***ing obvious - the new manager's appointment needs to be announced very, very quickly. This will calm everyone down and will help the players to decide what they will do.

Unless there is a change of policy the cold fact is that our best will be tempted by the huge money available elsewhere and their recognition to play for England will only stir their ambitions. In other words, they will be "got at" and we can do nothing about that.

Saints forever and since 1959 - and I want our stripes back!
[quote][p][bold]HarrytheHorse33[/bold] wrote: I don't post very often, but read the Echo daily and enjoy the threads, posts and general banter. However, I'm looking forward to this week with an open mind with regards to the new manager and proposed transfers in and out. Are we really victims of our own success? Quite possibly, and no doubt we will see some of our 'favourites' moving on to pastures new. But what I find frustrating is why does this have to be the 'end of the road' regarding our own ambition to progress? All fans know and accept that the so-called 'big fish' will circle. We probably all reluctantly accept that AL, LS and maybe one or two more could go, but that doesn't mean we can't go and bring in some exciting replacements under a new manager with his own ideas to take OUR club forward. Last week was abit of a hammer-blow with MP and now SRL departing, but this week could well be the start of something new and equally exciting! Forever a Saints fan regardless....... COYR!!![/p][/quote]Harry thanks for a bit of optimism. Cheered me up again just as LeGod did last week. But, and I am sure this is the bl***ing obvious - the new manager's appointment needs to be announced very, very quickly. This will calm everyone down and will help the players to decide what they will do. Unless there is a change of policy the cold fact is that our best will be tempted by the huge money available elsewhere and their recognition to play for England will only stir their ambitions. In other words, they will be "got at" and we can do nothing about that. Saints forever and since 1959 - and I want our stripes back! saintbobby
  • Score: 7

8:10am Mon 2 Jun 14

noodlesnewman says...

midlandsaint wrote:
"IS attempting to break into the Premier League’s top six really worth the effort?

Saints fans can be forgiven for asking that question in the wake of the departures of Mauricio Pochettino and&
nbsp;Ric
kie Lambert – and the likelihood that many more players will join the exodus out of St Mary’s."

Im not sure many Saints fans are or should be asking that question. Of course we should be trying to break into the top six.

Its just that ideally we want Adz and Luke and others to play a key part
and its a real shame that Rickie couldnt be with us too, though im delighted that after his contribution to our dream rise he's been rewarded with his dream move to the club he's loved all his life.

For me, retaining our key players is central to breaking into the top six. Adam and Luke will both be very difficult to replace, 25 and 27 million each respectively is not enough to replace them quality wise or potential wise.

It is largely that last point that disappoints me. if we let our best players go then in my opinion the chance of a top six finish is lost.
another negative story from the echo .
[quote][p][bold]midlandsaint[/bold] wrote: "IS attempting to break into the Premier League’s top six really worth the effort? Saints fans can be forgiven for asking that question in the wake of the departures of Mauricio Pochettino and& nbsp;Ric kie Lambert – and the likelihood that many more players will join the exodus out of St Mary’s." Im not sure many Saints fans are or should be asking that question. Of course we should be trying to break into the top six. Its just that ideally we want Adz and Luke and others to play a key part and its a real shame that Rickie couldnt be with us too, though im delighted that after his contribution to our dream rise he's been rewarded with his dream move to the club he's loved all his life. For me, retaining our key players is central to breaking into the top six. Adam and Luke will both be very difficult to replace, 25 and 27 million each respectively is not enough to replace them quality wise or potential wise. It is largely that last point that disappoints me. if we let our best players go then in my opinion the chance of a top six finish is lost.[/p][/quote]another negative story from the echo . noodlesnewman
  • Score: 0

8:14am Mon 2 Jun 14

smuggins says...

Do you actually get paid for writing this rubbish?
Do you actually get paid for writing this rubbish? smuggins
  • Score: 6

8:15am Mon 2 Jun 14

justaSaintsfan says...

search for the truth wrote:
Quote ......

" But, realistically, Saints’ best chance to make the Premier League’s top six has gone. It is thirty years since the club’s highest-ever league placing, runners-up to a great Liverpool side under Lawrie McMenemy. "


Need I say more

Forever in our shadow ! ! !
Pompey is, of course, a mere shadow of its former self. Shame!!!
[quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: Quote ...... " But, realistically, Saints’ best chance to make the Premier League’s top six has gone. It is thirty years since the club’s highest-ever league placing, runners-up to a great Liverpool side under Lawrie McMenemy. " Need I say more Forever in our shadow ! ! ![/p][/quote]Pompey is, of course, a mere shadow of its former self. Shame!!! justaSaintsfan
  • Score: 3

8:23am Mon 2 Jun 14

pitbull says...

When in the history of the Premier League have you seen such a media frenzy trying to break up a football team.
It's like watching a pond full of Piranhas feeding off a carcass.
In the last couple of years did Swansea and West Brom get so much media attention for finishing 8th?

These rumours have to have a source. Someone wants to destablize the club, it's working, even the Echo are joining in.
The previous manager took us for a ride and yet some still think he's the best thing since sliced bread.

What was that popular saying from last year, oh yeah it was "You don't mess with the Don"
When in the history of the Premier League have you seen such a media frenzy trying to break up a football team. It's like watching a pond full of Piranhas feeding off a carcass. In the last couple of years did Swansea and West Brom get so much media attention for finishing 8th? These rumours have to have a source. Someone wants to destablize the club, it's working, even the Echo are joining in. The previous manager took us for a ride and yet some still think he's the best thing since sliced bread. What was that popular saying from last year, oh yeah it was "You don't mess with the Don" pitbull
  • Score: 20

8:33am Mon 2 Jun 14

pitbull says...

There are now reports that the board have stopped answering their phones from Adam Lallana, apparently he's trying to force a move to Liverpool.

The board are being accused of being greedy and stopping him from furthering his ambition but if they let him go, they'll be weak and useless.

It doesn't matter what the outcome is, the Saints board will be slated.
There are now reports that the board have stopped answering their phones from Adam Lallana, apparently he's trying to force a move to Liverpool. The board are being accused of being greedy and stopping him from furthering his ambition but if they let him go, they'll be weak and useless. It doesn't matter what the outcome is, the Saints board will be slated. pitbull
  • Score: 10

8:34am Mon 2 Jun 14

jojosaints says...

pitbull wrote:
When in the history of the Premier League have you seen such a media frenzy trying to break up a football team.
It's like watching a pond full of Piranhas feeding off a carcass.
In the last couple of years did Swansea and West Brom get so much media attention for finishing 8th?

These rumours have to have a source. Someone wants to destablize the club, it's working, even the Echo are joining in.
The previous manager took us for a ride and yet some still think he's the best thing since sliced bread.

What was that popular saying from last year, oh yeah it was "You don't mess with the Don"
Agree 100% Pitbull
[quote][p][bold]pitbull[/bold] wrote: When in the history of the Premier League have you seen such a media frenzy trying to break up a football team. It's like watching a pond full of Piranhas feeding off a carcass. In the last couple of years did Swansea and West Brom get so much media attention for finishing 8th? These rumours have to have a source. Someone wants to destablize the club, it's working, even the Echo are joining in. The previous manager took us for a ride and yet some still think he's the best thing since sliced bread. What was that popular saying from last year, oh yeah it was "You don't mess with the Don"[/p][/quote]Agree 100% Pitbull jojosaints
  • Score: 10

8:43am Mon 2 Jun 14

noodlesnewman says...

costa gaz wrote:
The happy clappers will soon be on to have another go at the Echo for writing more negative articles, but this is the absolute truth of the matter.

A new big name manager will not stop players leaving, unfortunately we have produced a number of players more than capable of playing at a higher level. I know some of you think that the higher level could have been achieved with us, but I'm afraid our current wage policy prevents us going to the next level with this team.
There are a large number of first team players who could command 2 or 3 times what they are earning here, if you were in their shoes what would you do?

Who ever takes over will have an huge task, hitting the ground running will now take a minor miracle.
dont encourage em baz ! papers absolute truth all in the same sentence , ye right !
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: The happy clappers will soon be on to have another go at the Echo for writing more negative articles, but this is the absolute truth of the matter. A new big name manager will not stop players leaving, unfortunately we have produced a number of players more than capable of playing at a higher level. I know some of you think that the higher level could have been achieved with us, but I'm afraid our current wage policy prevents us going to the next level with this team. There are a large number of first team players who could command 2 or 3 times what they are earning here, if you were in their shoes what would you do? Who ever takes over will have an huge task, hitting the ground running will now take a minor miracle.[/p][/quote]dont encourage em baz ! papers absolute truth all in the same sentence , ye right ! noodlesnewman
  • Score: 1

8:55am Mon 2 Jun 14

noodlesnewman says...

smuggins wrote:
Do you actually get paid for writing this rubbish?
yes they do , and far too much , the more negative the story the more copies they sell , the only reason i would buy an echo would be to light me bar b q if i couldnt find me fire lighters , lol ....i used to love the echo but reckon they ve been infiltrated by SKATES .
[quote][p][bold]smuggins[/bold] wrote: Do you actually get paid for writing this rubbish?[/p][/quote]yes they do , and far too much , the more negative the story the more copies they sell , the only reason i would buy an echo would be to light me bar b q if i couldnt find me fire lighters , lol ....i used to love the echo but reckon they ve been infiltrated by SKATES . noodlesnewman
  • Score: -1

9:04am Mon 2 Jun 14

milton road says...

Its interesting that nowhere has Adam said he wanted to leave the club. He and Luke have both said are happy to wait until after the world cup to sort their fututre out. Adam has openly said he doesn't necessarily see his Saints career as over. He has also said that he wants CL football one day, never said right now.
I doubt Saints are fielding Adam's calls lol i am sure he knows how to use a fax or the internet. The papers are all feeding off each other and have built this Liverpool thing way up to the case of looking stupid if he doesn't go.
Maybe he and Luke will go but I don't think the cut off point is 30 million, thjere was talk a week or two ago that Saints want 27 million clear for Adam after paying Bournemout and around 35 million for Luke if they are put in a position where the players want to go.
There is talk of Koeman's and one other being in the frame which I would not be surprised is Moyes and whoever gets the job before any players are sold will have a 50 million war chest.
Whether Luke and Adam stay depends alot on who the manager is and what sort of charisma he has and what money and how he uses it. Also our goal.
But like everything else being spouted its conjecture and the truth is every club is a selling club. Arsenal could not stop Sanga from leaving. Luis got his move to PSG from Chelsea. Maybe and I say maybe becoming a big club is this swap round of players that seem to be a big club merry go round. The reality is if Luke and Adam go Saints could have in the region of 100 million war chest, whicvh would not only get replacements but strengthen the squad.
Personally I hope they don't go and give us another year if they do we are still in the position of having to get CL next year to keep them. Adam is 26 his time is beginning to run down to achieve things and that will be in his thoughts, just as he is settled in a club he has always loved and his family ae settled in the region.
Shrugs
At the end of it all we can squiny and shout but it is unlikely to change teh reality.
Its interesting that nowhere has Adam said he wanted to leave the club. He and Luke have both said are happy to wait until after the world cup to sort their fututre out. Adam has openly said he doesn't necessarily see his Saints career as over. He has also said that he wants CL football one day, never said right now. I doubt Saints are fielding Adam's calls lol i am sure he knows how to use a fax or the internet. The papers are all feeding off each other and have built this Liverpool thing way up to the case of looking stupid if he doesn't go. Maybe he and Luke will go but I don't think the cut off point is 30 million, thjere was talk a week or two ago that Saints want 27 million clear for Adam after paying Bournemout and around 35 million for Luke if they are put in a position where the players want to go. There is talk of Koeman's and one other being in the frame which I would not be surprised is Moyes and whoever gets the job before any players are sold will have a 50 million war chest. Whether Luke and Adam stay depends alot on who the manager is and what sort of charisma he has and what money and how he uses it. Also our goal. But like everything else being spouted its conjecture and the truth is every club is a selling club. Arsenal could not stop Sanga from leaving. Luis got his move to PSG from Chelsea. Maybe and I say maybe becoming a big club is this swap round of players that seem to be a big club merry go round. The reality is if Luke and Adam go Saints could have in the region of 100 million war chest, whicvh would not only get replacements but strengthen the squad. Personally I hope they don't go and give us another year if they do we are still in the position of having to get CL next year to keep them. Adam is 26 his time is beginning to run down to achieve things and that will be in his thoughts, just as he is settled in a club he has always loved and his family ae settled in the region. Shrugs At the end of it all we can squiny and shout but it is unlikely to change teh reality. milton road
  • Score: 10

9:30am Mon 2 Jun 14

teddrake says...

HarrytheHorse33 wrote:
I don't post very often, but read the Echo daily and enjoy the threads, posts and general banter. However, I'm looking forward to this week with an open mind with regards to the new manager and proposed transfers in and out.
Are we really victims of our own success? Quite possibly, and no doubt we will see some of our 'favourites' moving on to pastures new.
But what I find frustrating is why does this have to be the 'end of the road' regarding our own ambition to progress? All fans know and accept that the so-called 'big fish' will circle. We probably all reluctantly accept that AL, LS and maybe one or two more could go, but that doesn't mean we can't go and bring in some exciting replacements under a new manager with his own ideas to take OUR club forward.
Last week was abit of a hammer-blow with MP and now SRL departing, but this week could well be the start of something new and equally exciting!
Forever a Saints fan regardless....... COYR!!!
A good point Mr the Horse: I think that the strategy NC and the current board have taken is a very sensible one: based on firm commercial structure and with good values, the emphasis on a world-class academy and a philosophy (in the football sense of the word) of providing opportunities for those players to actually play in the Piranha League, we will always make a lot of money when we sell these players on AND, in time, the likelihood is greater that they will stay on with us, so that we can do what Everton (say) have done this season. As RK has said, SFC is an attractive club to come to. Remember also that for every player that we have brought through the academy, there are plenty who have been transferred to us from clubs that were lower than us in the league (as has happened to us with clubs that are higher (but not better) than us!) - and who have become great Saints (SRL and Jay Rod to name but two). So I am really confident that the future is unbelievably positive and can't wait for the new appointment and the next Saints legend to emerge from the academy - or to be brought in from another club... and let's not forget, that we have (and need to ensure their contracts are extended) that we have Steven Davis and Jack Cork, who I think are unsung heroes and the full cream of our team - I mean fulcrum.
[quote][p][bold]HarrytheHorse33[/bold] wrote: I don't post very often, but read the Echo daily and enjoy the threads, posts and general banter. However, I'm looking forward to this week with an open mind with regards to the new manager and proposed transfers in and out. Are we really victims of our own success? Quite possibly, and no doubt we will see some of our 'favourites' moving on to pastures new. But what I find frustrating is why does this have to be the 'end of the road' regarding our own ambition to progress? All fans know and accept that the so-called 'big fish' will circle. We probably all reluctantly accept that AL, LS and maybe one or two more could go, but that doesn't mean we can't go and bring in some exciting replacements under a new manager with his own ideas to take OUR club forward. Last week was abit of a hammer-blow with MP and now SRL departing, but this week could well be the start of something new and equally exciting! Forever a Saints fan regardless....... COYR!!![/p][/quote]A good point Mr the Horse: I think that the strategy NC and the current board have taken is a very sensible one: based on firm commercial structure and with good values, the emphasis on a world-class academy and a philosophy (in the football sense of the word) of providing opportunities for those players to actually play in the Piranha League, we will always make a lot of money when we sell these players on AND, in time, the likelihood is greater that they will stay on with us, so that we can do what Everton (say) have done this season. As RK has said, SFC is an attractive club to come to. Remember also that for every player that we have brought through the academy, there are plenty who have been transferred to us from clubs that were lower than us in the league (as has happened to us with clubs that are higher (but not better) than us!) - and who have become great Saints (SRL and Jay Rod to name but two). So I am really confident that the future is unbelievably positive and can't wait for the new appointment and the next Saints legend to emerge from the academy - or to be brought in from another club... and let's not forget, that we have (and need to ensure their contracts are extended) that we have Steven Davis and Jack Cork, who I think are unsung heroes and the full cream of our team - I mean fulcrum. teddrake
  • Score: 4

9:31am Mon 2 Jun 14

deepheat says...

From what I have read about Poch it seams he favoured certain young players like Shaw, Wanyama, Lovren, Lallana, Chambers etc.and exluded others and caused some bad feeling among some fringe players. That's not good if he already new he was leaving and could influence players like Lovren, and Wanyama to follow him. Apparently he was hardly at the training ground towards the end of the season. We should not sell any more players especially to a mercenary like MP. I dare'nt look at oddschecker ----Christian Gross is second favourite ffs. I would go all out for Rafa as well he would attract some very good players to Southampton.
From what I have read about Poch it seams he favoured certain young players like Shaw, Wanyama, Lovren, Lallana, Chambers etc.and exluded others and caused some bad feeling among some fringe players. That's not good if he already new he was leaving and could influence players like Lovren, and Wanyama to follow him. Apparently he was hardly at the training ground towards the end of the season. We should not sell any more players especially to a mercenary like MP. I dare'nt look at oddschecker ----Christian Gross is second favourite ffs. I would go all out for Rafa as well he would attract some very good players to Southampton. deepheat
  • Score: 6

9:31am Mon 2 Jun 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Costa Gaza,
Is our wage structure that different to Everton's? yet they are able to push to play at a higher level!
Have Everton been subject to a media 'attack' like we have? Does the Liverpool echo join in with negative rumour after rumour about them?
I posted on here yesterday about the Sunday express article claiming koeman was on a short list of 2, and a new manager being offered £50mill to spend, and the fact that our own paper hasn't even mentioned it. There have been a couple of other positive stories in the nationals yet the echo seem to only print the negative ones, you have to at lest ask why!
There are no negative stories around today so the echo has just rehashed a load together into a 'comment' again why?
When the echo comments 'lalla about to follow rickie to Liverpool' and 'luke destined for manure' what do you think they have based that on? So far we have turned down the bids from these clubs.
The club have said that they don't want to sell the players and will do all they can to keep them. Yet the echo says that because saints 'dared to dream' we will now see the break up of one of the best teams in the clubs history, the 'break up' though has only seen a manager who was always going to go and an aging striker leave, who are the echo to presume more will follow?
Surely a local paper should be getting behind its local team and supporting them in their ambitions, instead of saying we have got as high as we can, should be happy to be here and would be better off finishing lower down the table in case we 'do a poopey'!
'The reality is that even as a top a side saints are still selling club' really? Again who have we sold, I know some think the whole squad is going to be sold but they haven't yet, surely a comment like that should be kept until the end of the window and if we have sold more players!
So yes the 'happy clappers' (as you put it) have every right to moan about an article like this, especially on the back of all of the others!
Costa Gaza, Is our wage structure that different to Everton's? yet they are able to push to play at a higher level! Have Everton been subject to a media 'attack' like we have? Does the Liverpool echo join in with negative rumour after rumour about them? I posted on here yesterday about the Sunday express article claiming koeman was on a short list of 2, and a new manager being offered £50mill to spend, and the fact that our own paper hasn't even mentioned it. There have been a couple of other positive stories in the nationals yet the echo seem to only print the negative ones, you have to at lest ask why! There are no negative stories around today so the echo has just rehashed a load together into a 'comment' again why? When the echo comments 'lalla about to follow rickie to Liverpool' and 'luke destined for manure' what do you think they have based that on? So far we have turned down the bids from these clubs. The club have said that they don't want to sell the players and will do all they can to keep them. Yet the echo says that because saints 'dared to dream' we will now see the break up of one of the best teams in the clubs history, the 'break up' though has only seen a manager who was always going to go and an aging striker leave, who are the echo to presume more will follow? Surely a local paper should be getting behind its local team and supporting them in their ambitions, instead of saying we have got as high as we can, should be happy to be here and would be better off finishing lower down the table in case we 'do a poopey'! 'The reality is that even as a top a side saints are still selling club' really? Again who have we sold, I know some think the whole squad is going to be sold but they haven't yet, surely a comment like that should be kept until the end of the window and if we have sold more players! So yes the 'happy clappers' (as you put it) have every right to moan about an article like this, especially on the back of all of the others! el caballo santos101
  • Score: 10

9:40am Mon 2 Jun 14

allsaintsnocurves says...

The question is if Katherina didn't think the goal was achievable when Cortese was Chairman then she should have brokered a deal to sell the club and exit with a decent profit. By staying she would have to be slightly convinced by Cortese's ambitions that it is still possible to get Saints into the lucrative European competitions, however, that vision could well change now that the team is being broken up.

I don't think anyone at the club quite realised the pull that Cortese had on the club. Everyone was pulling for him. Now there is disillusion amongst the players with how Kruegar is handling things. Maybe they feel with him as Chairman the ambitions will never be realised.

Kruegar has himself already stated that he is new to being a Chairman now how will that fill everyone with confidence that he knows what he is doing? His previous experience of Ice Hockey certainly won't. Are we not just revisiting a path taken by Rupert Lowe when we appointed Sir Clive Woodward at the club??

I am just raising questions and not necessarily agreeing with the above statements but am concerned as a life long Saints supporter that we don't have the right person at the helm to take us forward. Pochettino left because Cortese was no longer at the club and the sooner we accept that the better. Cortese did so much for Pochettino behind the scenes and not just by giving him his chance. A club needs to have a strong Chairman to succeed. Kruegar I believe is being taken for a ride by all the other clubs which is why all our players are suddenly being tapped up!
The question is if Katherina didn't think the goal was achievable when Cortese was Chairman then she should have brokered a deal to sell the club and exit with a decent profit. By staying she would have to be slightly convinced by Cortese's ambitions that it is still possible to get Saints into the lucrative European competitions, however, that vision could well change now that the team is being broken up. I don't think anyone at the club quite realised the pull that Cortese had on the club. Everyone was pulling for him. Now there is disillusion amongst the players with how Kruegar is handling things. Maybe they feel with him as Chairman the ambitions will never be realised. Kruegar has himself already stated that he is new to being a Chairman now how will that fill everyone with confidence that he knows what he is doing? His previous experience of Ice Hockey certainly won't. Are we not just revisiting a path taken by Rupert Lowe when we appointed Sir Clive Woodward at the club?? I am just raising questions and not necessarily agreeing with the above statements but am concerned as a life long Saints supporter that we don't have the right person at the helm to take us forward. Pochettino left because Cortese was no longer at the club and the sooner we accept that the better. Cortese did so much for Pochettino behind the scenes and not just by giving him his chance. A club needs to have a strong Chairman to succeed. Kruegar I believe is being taken for a ride by all the other clubs which is why all our players are suddenly being tapped up! allsaintsnocurves
  • Score: -3

9:43am Mon 2 Jun 14

Dan Howard says...

Victim of our own success? Yes please. Rather that than victim of our own failures like 5 years ago. Victims of our own success? Better that than victim of knee jerk management that saw WBA all but relegated after ditching Steve Clarke plus Cardiff and Fulham gone for that same crime. Victims of £25m bids for Lallana and Shaw? Yes please. More victimisation please season after season. Victims of a world class Academy, innovative play, world class training facilities and if the Board has any sense, victims of a considered, savvy succession to MP. Victims of sustained success for the last 5 years and if we don't start running around like wets hens clucking about the woeful misfortune that comes with being successful, victims of even more success over the next. I could get to quite like being a victim of success.
Victim of our own success? Yes please. Rather that than victim of our own failures like 5 years ago. Victims of our own success? Better that than victim of knee jerk management that saw WBA all but relegated after ditching Steve Clarke plus Cardiff and Fulham gone for that same crime. Victims of £25m bids for Lallana and Shaw? Yes please. More victimisation please season after season. Victims of a world class Academy, innovative play, world class training facilities and if the Board has any sense, victims of a considered, savvy succession to MP. Victims of sustained success for the last 5 years and if we don't start running around like wets hens clucking about the woeful misfortune that comes with being successful, victims of even more success over the next. I could get to quite like being a victim of success. Dan Howard
  • Score: 17

10:08am Mon 2 Jun 14

pitbull says...

The people who still "don" the rose tinted blinkers of the previous chairman and manager need to stop living in the past.
Is it not possible that the previous manager stayed on at Saints to help stick a couple of nails in the coffin, were the players dropped "private" hints that the board would be selling them.
Why did the previous chairman speak to the BBC a couple of days before the manager walked out.
Everyone agrees that the previous chairman was a spiteful person with a big ego but some still think he's a god.

Stop living in the past and give the Southampton board a chance.
The people who still "don" the rose tinted blinkers of the previous chairman and manager need to stop living in the past. Is it not possible that the previous manager stayed on at Saints to help stick a couple of nails in the coffin, were the players dropped "private" hints that the board would be selling them. Why did the previous chairman speak to the BBC a couple of days before the manager walked out. Everyone agrees that the previous chairman was a spiteful person with a big ego but some still think he's a god. Stop living in the past and give the Southampton board a chance. pitbull
  • Score: 6

10:10am Mon 2 Jun 14

Santa Retfordia says...

Dan Howard wrote:
Victim of our own success? Yes please. Rather that than victim of our own failures like 5 years ago. Victims of our own success? Better that than victim of knee jerk management that saw WBA all but relegated after ditching Steve Clarke plus Cardiff and Fulham gone for that same crime. Victims of £25m bids for Lallana and Shaw? Yes please. More victimisation please season after season. Victims of a world class Academy, innovative play, world class training facilities and if the Board has any sense, victims of a considered, savvy succession to MP. Victims of sustained success for the last 5 years and if we don't start running around like wets hens clucking about the woeful misfortune that comes with being successful, victims of even more success over the next. I could get to quite like being a victim of success.
Well said. People need to stop all this bed-wetting and man up a bit.
[quote][p][bold]Dan Howard[/bold] wrote: Victim of our own success? Yes please. Rather that than victim of our own failures like 5 years ago. Victims of our own success? Better that than victim of knee jerk management that saw WBA all but relegated after ditching Steve Clarke plus Cardiff and Fulham gone for that same crime. Victims of £25m bids for Lallana and Shaw? Yes please. More victimisation please season after season. Victims of a world class Academy, innovative play, world class training facilities and if the Board has any sense, victims of a considered, savvy succession to MP. Victims of sustained success for the last 5 years and if we don't start running around like wets hens clucking about the woeful misfortune that comes with being successful, victims of even more success over the next. I could get to quite like being a victim of success.[/p][/quote]Well said. People need to stop all this bed-wetting and man up a bit. Santa Retfordia
  • Score: 4

10:12am Mon 2 Jun 14

alanrr says...

we need 50000+ to generate the income needed to compete with wages .....ambition is there, quality and the absolute ability to produce that quality is there with our academy but with 32000 we will not get the money in
we need 50000+ to generate the income needed to compete with wages .....ambition is there, quality and the absolute ability to produce that quality is there with our academy but with 32000 we will not get the money in alanrr
  • Score: 1

10:13am Mon 2 Jun 14

Saint Jinx says...

ECHO: SAINTS ARE NOT (DO NOT HAVE TO BE) A SELLING CLUB!
ECHO: SAINTS ARE NOT (DO NOT HAVE TO BE) A SELLING CLUB! Saint Jinx
  • Score: 9

10:14am Mon 2 Jun 14

tbilisi saint carl says...

are all echo sports reporters skates ?
sick to death of all this negativity,
surely your LOCAL paper should support their LOCAL teams day in day out,
are all echo sports reporters skates ? sick to death of all this negativity, surely your LOCAL paper should support their LOCAL teams day in day out, tbilisi saint carl
  • Score: 6

10:17am Mon 2 Jun 14

cebu blue says...

Still enough good players remain but a top six this season is looking hopeless maybe more of a bottom six would be near the mark.
Still enough good players remain but a top six this season is looking hopeless maybe more of a bottom six would be near the mark. cebu blue
  • Score: -10

10:20am Mon 2 Jun 14

Salalal says...

It would have been worth the effort if we'd continued to build on the ambitious Markus Liebherr/Cortese project. Sadly, the will to finance the growth of the club was lost when Markus passed away and the will to continue the upward progress went out of the door with Cortese.
It would have been worth the effort if we'd continued to build on the ambitious Markus Liebherr/Cortese project. Sadly, the will to finance the growth of the club was lost when Markus passed away and the will to continue the upward progress went out of the door with Cortese. Salalal
  • Score: -5

10:36am Mon 2 Jun 14

oldsaintsfan says...

justaSaintsfan wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
Quote ......

" But, realistically, Saints’ best chance to make the Premier League’s top six has gone. It is thirty years since the club’s highest-ever league placing, runners-up to a great Liverpool side under Lawrie McMenemy. "


Need I say more

Forever in our shadow ! ! !
Pompey is, of course, a mere shadow of its former self. Shame!!!
Don't argue with idiots they just drag you down to their level......
[quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: Quote ...... " But, realistically, Saints’ best chance to make the Premier League’s top six has gone. It is thirty years since the club’s highest-ever league placing, runners-up to a great Liverpool side under Lawrie McMenemy. " Need I say more Forever in our shadow ! ! ![/p][/quote]Pompey is, of course, a mere shadow of its former self. Shame!!![/p][/quote]Don't argue with idiots they just drag you down to their level...... oldsaintsfan
  • Score: 2

10:59am Mon 2 Jun 14

Clever Dick says...

Dan Howard wrote:
Victim of our own success? Yes please. Rather that than victim of our own failures like 5 years ago. Victims of our own success? Better that than victim of knee jerk management that saw WBA all but relegated after ditching Steve Clarke plus Cardiff and Fulham gone for that same crime. Victims of £25m bids for Lallana and Shaw? Yes please. More victimisation please season after season. Victims of a world class Academy, innovative play, world class training facilities and if the Board has any sense, victims of a considered, savvy succession to MP. Victims of sustained success for the last 5 years and if we don't start running around like wets hens clucking about the woeful misfortune that comes with being successful, victims of even more success over the next. I could get to quite like being a victim of success.
Shhhhh. Don't tell the skunts. They are victims too. Victims of their own stupidity.
[quote][p][bold]Dan Howard[/bold] wrote: Victim of our own success? Yes please. Rather that than victim of our own failures like 5 years ago. Victims of our own success? Better that than victim of knee jerk management that saw WBA all but relegated after ditching Steve Clarke plus Cardiff and Fulham gone for that same crime. Victims of £25m bids for Lallana and Shaw? Yes please. More victimisation please season after season. Victims of a world class Academy, innovative play, world class training facilities and if the Board has any sense, victims of a considered, savvy succession to MP. Victims of sustained success for the last 5 years and if we don't start running around like wets hens clucking about the woeful misfortune that comes with being successful, victims of even more success over the next. I could get to quite like being a victim of success.[/p][/quote]Shhhhh. Don't tell the skunts. They are victims too. Victims of their own stupidity. Clever Dick
  • Score: 0

11:01am Mon 2 Jun 14

Dan Howard says...

I agree that we don't have the gate money to get in with the big 5 but we do have other advantages and those are the Academy, training facilities and financial stability. We may owe £28m in transfer fees but we paid off another £21m in the same season. Debts aren't really an issue, it's income. Look at Deloitte's money football league for 12/13. Man U, Man City, Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern all topped €400m income. However, this is the critical bit...even West Ham and Newcastle got into the top 30 income generators in Europe. We need franchising and Far East activity in the new economies to boost our commercial income. Combine that with the intrinsic strength of the club infrastructure and you have a winning combination, but without it, we shall always be playing catch up. Sad reality but no avoiding it I think.
I agree that we don't have the gate money to get in with the big 5 but we do have other advantages and those are the Academy, training facilities and financial stability. We may owe £28m in transfer fees but we paid off another £21m in the same season. Debts aren't really an issue, it's income. Look at Deloitte's money football league for 12/13. Man U, Man City, Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern all topped €400m income. However, this is the critical bit...even West Ham and Newcastle got into the top 30 income generators in Europe. We need franchising and Far East activity in the new economies to boost our commercial income. Combine that with the intrinsic strength of the club infrastructure and you have a winning combination, but without it, we shall always be playing catch up. Sad reality but no avoiding it I think. Dan Howard
  • Score: 1

11:02am Mon 2 Jun 14

lowe esteem says...

oldsaintsfan wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
Quote ......

" But, realistically, Saints’ best chance to make the Premier League’s top six has gone. It is thirty years since the club’s highest-ever league placing, runners-up to a great Liverpool side under Lawrie McMenemy. "


Need I say more

Forever in our shadow ! ! !
Pompey is, of course, a mere shadow of its former self. Shame!!!
Don't argue with idiots they just drag you down to their level......
We need them to remind us though...that there's always someone worse off...and they just keep giving (even when they're taking).
[quote][p][bold]oldsaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: Quote ...... " But, realistically, Saints’ best chance to make the Premier League’s top six has gone. It is thirty years since the club’s highest-ever league placing, runners-up to a great Liverpool side under Lawrie McMenemy. " Need I say more Forever in our shadow ! ! ![/p][/quote]Pompey is, of course, a mere shadow of its former self. Shame!!![/p][/quote]Don't argue with idiots they just drag you down to their level......[/p][/quote]We need them to remind us though...that there's always someone worse off...and they just keep giving (even when they're taking). lowe esteem
  • Score: 2

11:20am Mon 2 Jun 14

JohnItaly says...

The story of what is happening and what could potentially happen to the Saints should be a lesson the footballing authorities need to take on board. Quite clearly only one thing now dominates football and that is money and plenty of it. It surely cannot be good for the game if the same five / six clubs dominate the game not only in England but in he rest of the world where often it is fewer clubs that dominate their own domestic scene. The chances of any club breaking into this cartel are very remote but not impossible as Atletico Madrid has shown. The solution I believe is relatively simple. Each club should be restricted to the number of transfers per season with an additional limit on how much money is spent. Limiting a club to say 4 transfers per season (i.e. 2 in, 2 out) with a maximum nett outlay of £30m would encourage home grown talent and allow clubs such as Saints the opportunity to progress without fear of being torn apart by the likes of Liverpool & Manchester United. Just a thought>
The story of what is happening and what could potentially happen to the Saints should be a lesson the footballing authorities need to take on board. Quite clearly only one thing now dominates football and that is money and plenty of it. It surely cannot be good for the game if the same five / six clubs dominate the game not only in England but in he rest of the world where often it is fewer clubs that dominate their own domestic scene. The chances of any club breaking into this cartel are very remote but not impossible as Atletico Madrid has shown. The solution I believe is relatively simple. Each club should be restricted to the number of transfers per season with an additional limit on how much money is spent. Limiting a club to say 4 transfers per season (i.e. 2 in, 2 out) with a maximum nett outlay of £30m would encourage home grown talent and allow clubs such as Saints the opportunity to progress without fear of being torn apart by the likes of Liverpool & Manchester United. Just a thought> JohnItaly
  • Score: 5

1:30pm Mon 2 Jun 14

costa gaz says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
Costa Gaza,
Is our wage structure that different to Everton's? yet they are able to push to play at a higher level!
Have Everton been subject to a media 'attack' like we have? Does the Liverpool echo join in with negative rumour after rumour about them?
I posted on here yesterday about the Sunday express article claiming koeman was on a short list of 2, and a new manager being offered £50mill to spend, and the fact that our own paper hasn't even mentioned it. There have been a couple of other positive stories in the nationals yet the echo seem to only print the negative ones, you have to at lest ask why!
There are no negative stories around today so the echo has just rehashed a load together into a 'comment' again why?
When the echo comments 'lalla about to follow rickie to Liverpool' and 'luke destined for manure' what do you think they have based that on? So far we have turned down the bids from these clubs.
The club have said that they don't want to sell the players and will do all they can to keep them. Yet the echo says that because saints 'dared to dream' we will now see the break up of one of the best teams in the clubs history, the 'break up' though has only seen a manager who was always going to go and an aging striker leave, who are the echo to presume more will follow?
Surely a local paper should be getting behind its local team and supporting them in their ambitions, instead of saying we have got as high as we can, should be happy to be here and would be better off finishing lower down the table in case we 'do a poopey'!
'The reality is that even as a top a side saints are still selling club' really? Again who have we sold, I know some think the whole squad is going to be sold but they haven't yet, surely a comment like that should be kept until the end of the window and if we have sold more players!
So yes the 'happy clappers' (as you put it) have every right to moan about an article like this, especially on the back of all of the others!
Hi santos 101, firstly Evertons wage bill is 27%higher than ours. £52m v. £66m 2013/2014
Everton play a dull game and obviously have not attracted as many admirers as our great team.

I don't know if Everton ever get any negative press from their local rags, but they only seem to produce an outstanding footballer every so often, whereas we haved produce a plethora of talent which seems to be an endless stream, hence the vultures are circling.

The Echo are only copying the Nationals on the Saints rumours, but choose not to publish all of them.
You seem happy to believe positive rumours but disregard negative ones, and yes it is true we have only lost our centre forward, manager and coaching staff, but then the transfer window has only been open for 2 weeks and has has another 3 months to run.

I agree that the Echo should support it's local team, but it has a responsibility to report all stories and at this present time the stories do not make good reading for the fans.

To compete with the top 6, teams need to have the revenue and pay the same wages as the top 6. not going to happen!!!!

I wish I honestly believed that there will be no more sales, Rafa was on his way and we would be buying some world class players for the next phase of SFC, but for this to happen it would mean doubling the wage bill and and incurring the debt that goes with it,..... something our owner will not risk.... (RK has already remarked this in his first statement for the club.)


Everton have excelled over the years because of realistic board and a decent manager who knew how to get the best out of mediocre players on relatively low wages and small transfer budget, that system seems to have been continued with Martinez.
This should be our first target.

Obviously, all in my humble opinion.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: Costa Gaza, Is our wage structure that different to Everton's? yet they are able to push to play at a higher level! Have Everton been subject to a media 'attack' like we have? Does the Liverpool echo join in with negative rumour after rumour about them? I posted on here yesterday about the Sunday express article claiming koeman was on a short list of 2, and a new manager being offered £50mill to spend, and the fact that our own paper hasn't even mentioned it. There have been a couple of other positive stories in the nationals yet the echo seem to only print the negative ones, you have to at lest ask why! There are no negative stories around today so the echo has just rehashed a load together into a 'comment' again why? When the echo comments 'lalla about to follow rickie to Liverpool' and 'luke destined for manure' what do you think they have based that on? So far we have turned down the bids from these clubs. The club have said that they don't want to sell the players and will do all they can to keep them. Yet the echo says that because saints 'dared to dream' we will now see the break up of one of the best teams in the clubs history, the 'break up' though has only seen a manager who was always going to go and an aging striker leave, who are the echo to presume more will follow? Surely a local paper should be getting behind its local team and supporting them in their ambitions, instead of saying we have got as high as we can, should be happy to be here and would be better off finishing lower down the table in case we 'do a poopey'! 'The reality is that even as a top a side saints are still selling club' really? Again who have we sold, I know some think the whole squad is going to be sold but they haven't yet, surely a comment like that should be kept until the end of the window and if we have sold more players! So yes the 'happy clappers' (as you put it) have every right to moan about an article like this, especially on the back of all of the others![/p][/quote]Hi santos 101, firstly Evertons wage bill is 27%higher than ours. £52m v. £66m 2013/2014 Everton play a dull game and obviously have not attracted as many admirers as our great team. I don't know if Everton ever get any negative press from their local rags, but they only seem to produce an outstanding footballer every so often, whereas we haved produce a plethora of talent which seems to be an endless stream, hence the vultures are circling. The Echo are only copying the Nationals on the Saints rumours, but choose not to publish all of them. You seem happy to believe positive rumours but disregard negative ones, and yes it is true we have only lost our centre forward, manager and coaching staff, but then the transfer window has only been open for 2 weeks and has has another 3 months to run. I agree that the Echo should support it's local team, but it has a responsibility to report all stories and at this present time the stories do not make good reading for the fans. To compete with the top 6, teams need to have the revenue and pay the same wages as the top 6. not going to happen!!!! I wish I honestly believed that there will be no more sales, Rafa was on his way and we would be buying some world class players for the next phase of SFC, but for this to happen it would mean doubling the wage bill and and incurring the debt that goes with it,..... something our owner will not risk.... (RK has already remarked this in his first statement for the club.) Everton have excelled over the years because of realistic board and a decent manager who knew how to get the best out of mediocre players on relatively low wages and small transfer budget, that system seems to have been continued with Martinez. This should be our first target. Obviously, all in my humble opinion. costa gaz
  • Score: 6

1:35pm Mon 2 Jun 14

costa gaz says...

deepheat wrote:
From what I have read about Poch it seams he favoured certain young players like Shaw, Wanyama, Lovren, Lallana, Chambers etc.and exluded others and caused some bad feeling among some fringe players. That's not good if he already new he was leaving and could influence players like Lovren, and Wanyama to follow him. Apparently he was hardly at the training ground towards the end of the season. We should not sell any more players especially to a mercenary like MP. I dare'nt look at oddschecker ----Christian Gross is second favourite ffs. I would go all out for Rafa as well he would attract some very good players to Southampton.
If you have read all this there must be a source, please post the link., it would make very interesting reading.
...And he was not at staplewood towards the end of the season??? Again do you have a source?
[quote][p][bold]deepheat[/bold] wrote: From what I have read about Poch it seams he favoured certain young players like Shaw, Wanyama, Lovren, Lallana, Chambers etc.and exluded others and caused some bad feeling among some fringe players. That's not good if he already new he was leaving and could influence players like Lovren, and Wanyama to follow him. Apparently he was hardly at the training ground towards the end of the season. We should not sell any more players especially to a mercenary like MP. I dare'nt look at oddschecker ----Christian Gross is second favourite ffs. I would go all out for Rafa as well he would attract some very good players to Southampton.[/p][/quote]If you have read all this there must be a source, please post the link., it would make very interesting reading. ...And he was not at staplewood towards the end of the season??? Again do you have a source? costa gaz
  • Score: 2

1:50pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Dan Howard says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Dan Howard wrote:
Victim of our own success? Yes please. Rather that than victim of our own failures like 5 years ago. Victims of our own success? Better that than victim of knee jerk management that saw WBA all but relegated after ditching Steve Clarke plus Cardiff and Fulham gone for that same crime. Victims of £25m bids for Lallana and Shaw? Yes please. More victimisation please season after season. Victims of a world class Academy, innovative play, world class training facilities and if the Board has any sense, victims of a considered, savvy succession to MP. Victims of sustained success for the last 5 years and if we don't start running around like wets hens clucking about the woeful misfortune that comes with being successful, victims of even more success over the next. I could get to quite like being a victim of success.
Shhhhh. Don't tell the skunts. They are victims too. Victims of their own stupidity.
Eh?
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Howard[/bold] wrote: Victim of our own success? Yes please. Rather that than victim of our own failures like 5 years ago. Victims of our own success? Better that than victim of knee jerk management that saw WBA all but relegated after ditching Steve Clarke plus Cardiff and Fulham gone for that same crime. Victims of £25m bids for Lallana and Shaw? Yes please. More victimisation please season after season. Victims of a world class Academy, innovative play, world class training facilities and if the Board has any sense, victims of a considered, savvy succession to MP. Victims of sustained success for the last 5 years and if we don't start running around like wets hens clucking about the woeful misfortune that comes with being successful, victims of even more success over the next. I could get to quite like being a victim of success.[/p][/quote]Shhhhh. Don't tell the skunts. They are victims too. Victims of their own stupidity.[/p][/quote]Eh? Dan Howard
  • Score: 0

1:59pm Mon 2 Jun 14

costa gaz says...

Dan Howard wrote:
I agree that we don't have the gate money to get in with the big 5 but we do have other advantages and those are the Academy, training facilities and financial stability. We may owe £28m in transfer fees but we paid off another £21m in the same season. Debts aren't really an issue, it's income. Look at Deloitte's money football league for 12/13. Man U, Man City, Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern all topped €400m income. However, this is the critical bit...even West Ham and Newcastle got into the top 30 income generators in Europe. We need franchising and Far East activity in the new economies to boost our commercial income. Combine that with the intrinsic strength of the club infrastructure and you have a winning combination, but without it, we shall always be playing catch up. Sad reality but no avoiding it I think.
Dan you just can't conjure up a footballing world brand, it has to be earned.
People in the far east won't be wearing saints shirts anytime in the near future, for this the club needs to be a global brand with world class players and a history of European football victories, the likes of Saints do not sell merchadise globally.

In BKK airport sports shop recently, there were Juve and Milan shirts, Real Madric and Barca, Bayern L'Pool, Man U, Chelsea Arsenal and Leicester City shirts... these are footballing superpowers and it's the same sports retailers all over the world. (apart from the LCFC shirts of course)

Even Man City have not become a global brand yet, outside Manchester and abu Dhabi they are not that famous.
[quote][p][bold]Dan Howard[/bold] wrote: I agree that we don't have the gate money to get in with the big 5 but we do have other advantages and those are the Academy, training facilities and financial stability. We may owe £28m in transfer fees but we paid off another £21m in the same season. Debts aren't really an issue, it's income. Look at Deloitte's money football league for 12/13. Man U, Man City, Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern all topped €400m income. However, this is the critical bit...even West Ham and Newcastle got into the top 30 income generators in Europe. We need franchising and Far East activity in the new economies to boost our commercial income. Combine that with the intrinsic strength of the club infrastructure and you have a winning combination, but without it, we shall always be playing catch up. Sad reality but no avoiding it I think.[/p][/quote]Dan you just can't conjure up a footballing world brand, it has to be earned. People in the far east won't be wearing saints shirts anytime in the near future, for this the club needs to be a global brand with world class players and a history of European football victories, the likes of Saints do not sell merchadise globally. In BKK airport sports shop recently, there were Juve and Milan shirts, Real Madric and Barca, Bayern L'Pool, Man U, Chelsea Arsenal and Leicester City shirts... these are footballing superpowers and it's the same sports retailers all over the world. (apart from the LCFC shirts of course) Even Man City have not become a global brand yet, outside Manchester and abu Dhabi they are not that famous. costa gaz
  • Score: 2

2:15pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Pooley says...

Quite a good article - the glass ceiling is a very apt description. It may be that the board recognise this and the only way to break through is by the expansion of the world wide commercial base and fan base. Ultimately a bigger stadium capacity. Kruger has already hinted at this.
Quite a good article - the glass ceiling is a very apt description. It may be that the board recognise this and the only way to break through is by the expansion of the world wide commercial base and fan base. Ultimately a bigger stadium capacity. Kruger has already hinted at this. Pooley
  • Score: 1

2:19pm Mon 2 Jun 14

boilerman says...

I don't wish to seem negative, but when you produce good young home grown talent, only for the bigger clubs to come along and sign them up to be squad players in their European squads. it does make you wonder what the point of it is.
These clubs don't develop good home grown players , they just sign foreigners, let other clubs do the work and then come in and try and bully smaller clubs into selling their young stars.
If clubs want our players , we should try and get as much as we can and get it up front , if not we must not sell.
We must not kid ourselves that these players will not go , but when they do we must sell on our terms.
I don't wish to seem negative, but when you produce good young home grown talent, only for the bigger clubs to come along and sign them up to be squad players in their European squads. it does make you wonder what the point of it is. These clubs don't develop good home grown players , they just sign foreigners, let other clubs do the work and then come in and try and bully smaller clubs into selling their young stars. If clubs want our players , we should try and get as much as we can and get it up front , if not we must not sell. We must not kid ourselves that these players will not go , but when they do we must sell on our terms. boilerman
  • Score: 4

2:33pm Mon 2 Jun 14

costa gaz says...

Pooley wrote:
Quite a good article - the glass ceiling is a very apt description. It may be that the board recognise this and the only way to break through is by the expansion of the world wide commercial base and fan base. Ultimately a bigger stadium capacity. Kruger has already hinted at this.
Our stadium was only 92.4% full last season only Palace, Villa and Sunderland has worse figures.
If Saints cannot fill the current ground, expanding it would be pointless. Obviously some of this can be put down to poor away support and segregation, but the were still lots of empty seats in home areas during the season.
The big six clubs all had over 98% and they had segregation and poor away support as well.
[quote][p][bold]Pooley[/bold] wrote: Quite a good article - the glass ceiling is a very apt description. It may be that the board recognise this and the only way to break through is by the expansion of the world wide commercial base and fan base. Ultimately a bigger stadium capacity. Kruger has already hinted at this.[/p][/quote]Our stadium was only 92.4% full last season only Palace, Villa and Sunderland has worse figures. If Saints cannot fill the current ground, expanding it would be pointless. Obviously some of this can be put down to poor away support and segregation, but the were still lots of empty seats in home areas during the season. The big six clubs all had over 98% and they had segregation and poor away support as well. costa gaz
  • Score: 2

2:52pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Steve_N says...

Dan Howard wrote:
I agree that we don't have the gate money to get in with the big 5 but we do have other advantages and those are the Academy, training facilities and financial stability. We may owe £28m in transfer fees but we paid off another £21m in the same season. Debts aren't really an issue, it's income. Look at Deloitte's money football league for 12/13. Man U, Man City, Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern all topped €400m income. However, this is the critical bit...even West Ham and Newcastle got into the top 30 income generators in Europe. We need franchising and Far East activity in the new economies to boost our commercial income. Combine that with the intrinsic strength of the club infrastructure and you have a winning combination, but without it, we shall always be playing catch up. Sad reality but no avoiding it I think.
Apologies if I'm wrong but wasn't one of the reasons that Freddie was appointed, to increase our "brand awareness" (sorry if that sounds too much like marketing speak, but I'm sure you get the point) overseas and improve our commercial income. I seem to remember him saying something to that effect when he was first unveiled.
[quote][p][bold]Dan Howard[/bold] wrote: I agree that we don't have the gate money to get in with the big 5 but we do have other advantages and those are the Academy, training facilities and financial stability. We may owe £28m in transfer fees but we paid off another £21m in the same season. Debts aren't really an issue, it's income. Look at Deloitte's money football league for 12/13. Man U, Man City, Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern all topped €400m income. However, this is the critical bit...even West Ham and Newcastle got into the top 30 income generators in Europe. We need franchising and Far East activity in the new economies to boost our commercial income. Combine that with the intrinsic strength of the club infrastructure and you have a winning combination, but without it, we shall always be playing catch up. Sad reality but no avoiding it I think.[/p][/quote]Apologies if I'm wrong but wasn't one of the reasons that Freddie was appointed, to increase our "brand awareness" (sorry if that sounds too much like marketing speak, but I'm sure you get the point) overseas and improve our commercial income. I seem to remember him saying something to that effect when he was first unveiled. Steve_N
  • Score: 0

2:53pm Mon 2 Jun 14

InCortesewetrust says...

The truth hurts, would you prefer lies, ok next season saints will improve on last year, we are going to appoint pep Guardiola within the next few days, we have £500 million to spend on player's, Messi Ronaldo are in talks right now! Sound great don't it!
The truth hurts, would you prefer lies, ok next season saints will improve on last year, we are going to appoint pep Guardiola within the next few days, we have £500 million to spend on player's, Messi Ronaldo are in talks right now! Sound great don't it! InCortesewetrust
  • Score: 1

5:53pm Mon 2 Jun 14

mac3696 says...

Hockeyj wrote:
What a truly awful article at a time when saints fans need reassurance that things will be alright the "localTotally agree! What an idiotic and negative piece of 'journalism'.
[quote][p][bold]Hockeyj[/bold] wrote: What a truly awful article at a time when saints fans need reassurance that things will be alright the "localTotally agree! What an idiotic and negative piece of 'journalism'. mac3696
  • Score: 0

5:53pm Mon 2 Jun 14

mac3696 says...

Hockeyj wrote:
What a truly awful article at a time when saints fans need reassurance that things will be alright the "localTotally agree! What an idiotic and negative piece of 'journalism'.
[quote][p][bold]Hockeyj[/bold] wrote: What a truly awful article at a time when saints fans need reassurance that things will be alright the "localTotally agree! What an idiotic and negative piece of 'journalism'. mac3696
  • Score: 0

9:59pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Saintly Sam says...

search for the truth wrote:
Quote ......

" But, realistically, Saints’ best chance to make the Premier League’s top six has gone. It is thirty years since the club’s highest-ever league placing, runners-up to a great Liverpool side under Lawrie McMenemy. "


Need I say more

Forever in our shadow ! ! !
You cannot be in the shadow of anything so far below yourself, poopey today are a mere shadow of themselves from any period in their history, and will be for quite some time to come.

Which makes me very happy,
[quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: Quote ...... " But, realistically, Saints’ best chance to make the Premier League’s top six has gone. It is thirty years since the club’s highest-ever league placing, runners-up to a great Liverpool side under Lawrie McMenemy. " Need I say more Forever in our shadow ! ! ![/p][/quote]You cannot be in the shadow of anything so far below yourself, poopey today are a mere shadow of themselves from any period in their history, and will be for quite some time to come. Which makes me very happy, Saintly Sam
  • Score: 0

11:11pm Mon 2 Jun 14

lionheart says...

milton road wrote:
Its interesting that nowhere has Adam said he wanted to leave the club. He and Luke have both said are happy to wait until after the world cup to sort their fututre out. Adam has openly said he doesn't necessarily see his Saints career as over. He has also said that he wants CL football one day, never said right now.
I doubt Saints are fielding Adam's calls lol i am sure he knows how to use a fax or the internet. The papers are all feeding off each other and have built this Liverpool thing way up to the case of looking stupid if he doesn't go.
Maybe he and Luke will go but I don't think the cut off point is 30 million, thjere was talk a week or two ago that Saints want 27 million clear for Adam after paying Bournemout and around 35 million for Luke if they are put in a position where the players want to go.
There is talk of Koeman's and one other being in the frame which I would not be surprised is Moyes and whoever gets the job before any players are sold will have a 50 million war chest.
Whether Luke and Adam stay depends alot on who the manager is and what sort of charisma he has and what money and how he uses it. Also our goal.
But like everything else being spouted its conjecture and the truth is every club is a selling club. Arsenal could not stop Sanga from leaving. Luis got his move to PSG from Chelsea. Maybe and I say maybe becoming a big club is this swap round of players that seem to be a big club merry go round. The reality is if Luke and Adam go Saints could have in the region of 100 million war chest, whicvh would not only get replacements but strengthen the squad.
Personally I hope they don't go and give us another year if they do we are still in the position of having to get CL next year to keep them. Adam is 26 his time is beginning to run down to achieve things and that will be in his thoughts, just as he is settled in a club he has always loved and his family ae settled in the region.
Shrugs
At the end of it all we can squiny and shout but it is unlikely to change teh reality.
He has said he wants to leave now. See the BBC website article.
[quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: Its interesting that nowhere has Adam said he wanted to leave the club. He and Luke have both said are happy to wait until after the world cup to sort their fututre out. Adam has openly said he doesn't necessarily see his Saints career as over. He has also said that he wants CL football one day, never said right now. I doubt Saints are fielding Adam's calls lol i am sure he knows how to use a fax or the internet. The papers are all feeding off each other and have built this Liverpool thing way up to the case of looking stupid if he doesn't go. Maybe he and Luke will go but I don't think the cut off point is 30 million, thjere was talk a week or two ago that Saints want 27 million clear for Adam after paying Bournemout and around 35 million for Luke if they are put in a position where the players want to go. There is talk of Koeman's and one other being in the frame which I would not be surprised is Moyes and whoever gets the job before any players are sold will have a 50 million war chest. Whether Luke and Adam stay depends alot on who the manager is and what sort of charisma he has and what money and how he uses it. Also our goal. But like everything else being spouted its conjecture and the truth is every club is a selling club. Arsenal could not stop Sanga from leaving. Luis got his move to PSG from Chelsea. Maybe and I say maybe becoming a big club is this swap round of players that seem to be a big club merry go round. The reality is if Luke and Adam go Saints could have in the region of 100 million war chest, whicvh would not only get replacements but strengthen the squad. Personally I hope they don't go and give us another year if they do we are still in the position of having to get CL next year to keep them. Adam is 26 his time is beginning to run down to achieve things and that will be in his thoughts, just as he is settled in a club he has always loved and his family ae settled in the region. Shrugs At the end of it all we can squiny and shout but it is unlikely to change teh reality.[/p][/quote]He has said he wants to leave now. See the BBC website article. lionheart
  • Score: 0

11:17pm Mon 2 Jun 14

lionheart says...

boilerman wrote:
I don't wish to seem negative, but when you produce good young home grown talent, only for the bigger clubs to come along and sign them up to be squad players in their European squads. it does make you wonder what the point of it is.
These clubs don't develop good home grown players , they just sign foreigners, let other clubs do the work and then come in and try and bully smaller clubs into selling their young stars.
If clubs want our players , we should try and get as much as we can and get it up front , if not we must not sell.
We must not kid ourselves that these players will not go , but when they do we must sell on our terms.
It amazes me that the so called top 6 clubs have so few players come through their academies. It's all about supply and demand so if those clubs were doing a better job at producing home based talent then Saints wouldn't be so vulnerable especially with the new rules requiring a certain quota of UK academy produced players in the squads.
[quote][p][bold]boilerman[/bold] wrote: I don't wish to seem negative, but when you produce good young home grown talent, only for the bigger clubs to come along and sign them up to be squad players in their European squads. it does make you wonder what the point of it is. These clubs don't develop good home grown players , they just sign foreigners, let other clubs do the work and then come in and try and bully smaller clubs into selling their young stars. If clubs want our players , we should try and get as much as we can and get it up front , if not we must not sell. We must not kid ourselves that these players will not go , but when they do we must sell on our terms.[/p][/quote]It amazes me that the so called top 6 clubs have so few players come through their academies. It's all about supply and demand so if those clubs were doing a better job at producing home based talent then Saints wouldn't be so vulnerable especially with the new rules requiring a certain quota of UK academy produced players in the squads. lionheart
  • Score: 1

7:06am Tue 3 Jun 14

Saint Jinx says...

lionheart wrote:
milton road wrote:
Its interesting that nowhere has Adam said he wanted to leave the club. He and Luke have both said are happy to wait until after the world cup to sort their fututre out. Adam has openly said he doesn't necessarily see his Saints career as over. He has also said that he wants CL football one day, never said right now.
I doubt Saints are fielding Adam's calls lol i am sure he knows how to use a fax or the internet. The papers are all feeding off each other and have built this Liverpool thing way up to the case of looking stupid if he doesn't go.
Maybe he and Luke will go but I don't think the cut off point is 30 million, thjere was talk a week or two ago that Saints want 27 million clear for Adam after paying Bournemout and around 35 million for Luke if they are put in a position where the players want to go.
There is talk of Koeman's and one other being in the frame which I would not be surprised is Moyes and whoever gets the job before any players are sold will have a 50 million war chest.
Whether Luke and Adam stay depends alot on who the manager is and what sort of charisma he has and what money and how he uses it. Also our goal.
But like everything else being spouted its conjecture and the truth is every club is a selling club. Arsenal could not stop Sanga from leaving. Luis got his move to PSG from Chelsea. Maybe and I say maybe becoming a big club is this swap round of players that seem to be a big club merry go round. The reality is if Luke and Adam go Saints could have in the region of 100 million war chest, whicvh would not only get replacements but strengthen the squad.
Personally I hope they don't go and give us another year if they do we are still in the position of having to get CL next year to keep them. Adam is 26 his time is beginning to run down to achieve things and that will be in his thoughts, just as he is settled in a club he has always loved and his family ae settled in the region.
Shrugs
At the end of it all we can squiny and shout but it is unlikely to change teh reality.
He has said he wants to leave now. See the BBC website article.
It would be good to sign some really great players in the twilight of their careers, the aim being to get us to the next level as quickly as possible. That way we'll be able to keep players and even do what Liverpool are doing to us - although I think it is unethical.
[quote][p][bold]lionheart[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: Its interesting that nowhere has Adam said he wanted to leave the club. He and Luke have both said are happy to wait until after the world cup to sort their fututre out. Adam has openly said he doesn't necessarily see his Saints career as over. He has also said that he wants CL football one day, never said right now. I doubt Saints are fielding Adam's calls lol i am sure he knows how to use a fax or the internet. The papers are all feeding off each other and have built this Liverpool thing way up to the case of looking stupid if he doesn't go. Maybe he and Luke will go but I don't think the cut off point is 30 million, thjere was talk a week or two ago that Saints want 27 million clear for Adam after paying Bournemout and around 35 million for Luke if they are put in a position where the players want to go. There is talk of Koeman's and one other being in the frame which I would not be surprised is Moyes and whoever gets the job before any players are sold will have a 50 million war chest. Whether Luke and Adam stay depends alot on who the manager is and what sort of charisma he has and what money and how he uses it. Also our goal. But like everything else being spouted its conjecture and the truth is every club is a selling club. Arsenal could not stop Sanga from leaving. Luis got his move to PSG from Chelsea. Maybe and I say maybe becoming a big club is this swap round of players that seem to be a big club merry go round. The reality is if Luke and Adam go Saints could have in the region of 100 million war chest, whicvh would not only get replacements but strengthen the squad. Personally I hope they don't go and give us another year if they do we are still in the position of having to get CL next year to keep them. Adam is 26 his time is beginning to run down to achieve things and that will be in his thoughts, just as he is settled in a club he has always loved and his family ae settled in the region. Shrugs At the end of it all we can squiny and shout but it is unlikely to change teh reality.[/p][/quote]He has said he wants to leave now. See the BBC website article.[/p][/quote]It would be good to sign some really great players in the twilight of their careers, the aim being to get us to the next level as quickly as possible. That way we'll be able to keep players and even do what Liverpool are doing to us - although I think it is unethical. Saint Jinx
  • Score: 0

3:28pm Tue 3 Jun 14

bobbeale53 says...

The shame here is that managements hands are being forced by the environment that our top players find themselves in. Travelling with their respective international squads, minds probably being bent by their team members talking up the possibiiites available at the Liverpools, Man Utd's, Arsenals and dare I say it the Spurs. Double the wages, Champions League etc. You can't blame them. Then there is the press literally telling them what they will earn when they move to these Big Teams.
Loyalty doesn't come into it when you are earning a living. The mighty dollar will win everytime.
I just hope that if and when they do go our management isn't viewed as turning us into a selling club. I view what they are doing now as maximising their investment. I trust in them to appoint the right manager and not rush into it and I do believe that we will still field an exciting, competitive young team next season.
The shame here is that managements hands are being forced by the environment that our top players find themselves in. Travelling with their respective international squads, minds probably being bent by their team members talking up the possibiiites available at the Liverpools, Man Utd's, Arsenals and dare I say it the Spurs. Double the wages, Champions League etc. You can't blame them. Then there is the press literally telling them what they will earn when they move to these Big Teams. Loyalty doesn't come into it when you are earning a living. The mighty dollar will win everytime. I just hope that if and when they do go our management isn't viewed as turning us into a selling club. I view what they are doing now as maximising their investment. I trust in them to appoint the right manager and not rush into it and I do believe that we will still field an exciting, competitive young team next season. bobbeale53
  • Score: 1

12:32pm Wed 4 Jun 14

lowe esteem says...

costa gaz wrote:
Dan Howard wrote:
I agree that we don't have the gate money to get in with the big 5 but we do have other advantages and those are the Academy, training facilities and financial stability. We may owe £28m in transfer fees but we paid off another £21m in the same season. Debts aren't really an issue, it's income. Look at Deloitte's money football league for 12/13. Man U, Man City, Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern all topped €400m income. However, this is the critical bit...even West Ham and Newcastle got into the top 30 income generators in Europe. We need franchising and Far East activity in the new economies to boost our commercial income. Combine that with the intrinsic strength of the club infrastructure and you have a winning combination, but without it, we shall always be playing catch up. Sad reality but no avoiding it I think.
Dan you just can't conjure up a footballing world brand, it has to be earned.
People in the far east won't be wearing saints shirts anytime in the near future, for this the club needs to be a global brand with world class players and a history of European football victories, the likes of Saints do not sell merchadise globally.

In BKK airport sports shop recently, there were Juve and Milan shirts, Real Madric and Barca, Bayern L'Pool, Man U, Chelsea Arsenal and Leicester City shirts... these are footballing superpowers and it's the same sports retailers all over the world. (apart from the LCFC shirts of course)

Even Man City have not become a global brand yet, outside Manchester and abu Dhabi they are not that famous.
One area that the club could start with is right under their nose.
Shops in High St ('Below Bar') and QE2 Mile (the 'walk up' from the 'multi-million cruise industry' and ferries) selling all that Titanic/Spitfire/Lon
don Bus paraphernalia and memorabilia don't have even one Southampton mug or memento, so deals should be struck with so many of those types of outlet VERY QUICKLY) Who hasn't picked up the local sports related item when abroad? Toronto Blue Jays and Maple Leafs? Barcelona? Even the replica replicas in the Far East?
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Howard[/bold] wrote: I agree that we don't have the gate money to get in with the big 5 but we do have other advantages and those are the Academy, training facilities and financial stability. We may owe £28m in transfer fees but we paid off another £21m in the same season. Debts aren't really an issue, it's income. Look at Deloitte's money football league for 12/13. Man U, Man City, Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern all topped €400m income. However, this is the critical bit...even West Ham and Newcastle got into the top 30 income generators in Europe. We need franchising and Far East activity in the new economies to boost our commercial income. Combine that with the intrinsic strength of the club infrastructure and you have a winning combination, but without it, we shall always be playing catch up. Sad reality but no avoiding it I think.[/p][/quote]Dan you just can't conjure up a footballing world brand, it has to be earned. People in the far east won't be wearing saints shirts anytime in the near future, for this the club needs to be a global brand with world class players and a history of European football victories, the likes of Saints do not sell merchadise globally. In BKK airport sports shop recently, there were Juve and Milan shirts, Real Madric and Barca, Bayern L'Pool, Man U, Chelsea Arsenal and Leicester City shirts... these are footballing superpowers and it's the same sports retailers all over the world. (apart from the LCFC shirts of course) Even Man City have not become a global brand yet, outside Manchester and abu Dhabi they are not that famous.[/p][/quote]One area that the club could start with is right under their nose. Shops in High St ('Below Bar') and QE2 Mile (the 'walk up' from the 'multi-million cruise industry' and ferries) selling all that Titanic/Spitfire/Lon don Bus paraphernalia and memorabilia don't have even one Southampton mug or memento, so deals should be struck with so many of those types of outlet VERY QUICKLY) Who hasn't picked up the local sports related item when abroad? Toronto Blue Jays and Maple Leafs? Barcelona? Even the replica replicas in the Far East? lowe esteem
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