Daily Echo comment: Poch's exit a wake-up call to Saints board

Basingstoke Gazette: Ralph Krueger Ralph Krueger

IT was a dark day for the new Saints board.

The grim announcement many had feared, and increasingly expected, broke in the early evening as Saints confirmed they had accepted the resignation of Mauricio Pochettino and Tottenham announced his appointment as their new manager.

It was hardly a great surprise to anybody, but many Saints supporters had harboured hopes this was all media speculation and hype that wouldn’t come off. That was never the case.

What is more concerning was that you couldn’t help but wonder if the board had believed much the same. They appear well intentioned, but this was a blow to their credibility.

Whether it is fair or not, the enduring image they have allowed to develop during this whole saga is of people who did not react quickly enough or decisively enough, who did not see what was coming, and thus give themselves a genuine chance to prevent it.

They may be able to argue that is not the case, but that is the perception.

That sense that they were played by Mauricio Pochettino is very real, that he out thought them and outmanoeuvred them.

They are now left to pick up the pieces, not only to find a new manager, but to try and hold together a squad that looks likely to fracture and move on in different directions.

Those close to the Pochettino situation, even some within the club, were fearing this sort of thing was a possibility from as early as February.

His every move was utterly predictable as he continually batted away questions over his commitment to the club by stating he wasn’t worried about contracts as his ran down to the point of having just a year left and he would talk in the summer. When the end of the season came he made noises about sitting down for talks the next day that never happened.

It appeared throughout that Pochettino was simply keeping his options open, that he was waiting to see whether what he regarded as a better offer came along.

When Tottenham came calling he found exactly that.

It would be harsh to blame Pochettino. He is a career manager, and with the majority of ambitious coaches from abroad you often get the mentality that they don’t stick around for long.

Pochettino wants to manage a genuinely massive club one day, and, with all due respect, you don’t go from Southampton to Real Madrid or Inter Milan. If you are successful at Tottenham then maybe you do.

That, along with the feeling that this was to be a summer of change at St Mary’s with top stars leaving and not the tens, or maybe hundreds, of millions of pounds required to try and take that next step beyond the marvellous eighth placed finish of this season.

It is a harsh reality that Saints were victims of their own success, that the natural football pecking order has cost them a manager and probably some of their top players, but like it or loathe it, that’s the Premier League. It’s not quite the glamour and mystique that is often portrayed, at least not for clubs outside of the established big few.

The real problem here lies in the fact that the situation was seemingly allowed to drift so alarmingly.

Even now the club haven’t come out and defended themselves and their handling of it, and are yet to explain properly what has taken place and how this situation has come to pass. That is the absolute bare minimum you would expect.

Les Reed, who told the world he is in charge of football matters, is the man who seems most in the firing line.

Ralph Krueger may be the chairman but his wishy washy statement added to the increasing feeling that he is largely a front man, one who speaks well but isn’t there to be the hands on leader.

Gareth Rogers as chief executive is also far in the background. Reed seems to have been deemed the man for such matters. When he sat down and made that statement at the end of April, Reed backed Pochettino’s decision to wait until the summer.

“I would like to re-emphasise that we are happy with that – both myself and Mauricio are happy with that – so we can focus on the details of pre-season, transfer market planning and so on. We are both comfortable with the situation,” he said. Well, he shouldn’t have been even remotely comfortable with that.

Saints appeared to miss every trick going to try to pressure Pochettino into staying.

Firstly, if they didn’t attempt to have those talks early then they should have done before it got to the stage that Spurs were contemplating getting shot of Tim Sherwood.

Then, when the Daily Echo discovered that a new contract actually had been offered, Saints never took the step of confirming it, of at least making it look like they were doing something, of trying to use it to push Pochettino into signing at a time when Spurs had not yet come calling.

And when they did – and one source even suggested official permission was granted about a week ago – they didn’t try to sway public opinion either to try and get Pochettino backed into reconsidering his future. In the end it looked as though the club, so fearful of upsetting Pochettino, just went along with anything he said, hoped it would be all right rather than take decisive action, and then saw him walk out at the first possible opportunity.

In an earlier interview, Ralph Krueger made a telling statement when asked about Pochettino’s future.

“What really great managers do is stay in one spot until they cannot evolve there any more,” he said.

Krueger was fair in his analysis, but it does all rather suggest now that Saints are not evolving any further.

They have had a remarkable journey to this point.

The last five years since Markus Liebherr brought the club out of administration have been one tidal wave of positivity. Under Pochettino, Saints achieved some great results, finishing eighth and bagging a highest top flight points total in 29 years last season. They were young, vibrant, fresh and exciting and packed full of home grown talent.

It might be the natural order of football that Saints have done as well as they can and that a return to reality is inevitable, but that’s never going to please anybody.

It all suggests that in a world dominated by cold, hard cash, dreams are for the foolish. They cannot come true anymore in the Premier League.

Also understood is the financial situation the new board have inherited, described as difficult. Fair enough. The bigger issue though is that have looked paralysed by naivety. Again, that may be unfair but it is the impression they have allowed to grow.

They now face some very hard decisions. They simply must act quickly and decisively to appoint a new manager.

There are two ways they can go, and it’s an important crossroads for the club.

They either need to accept what is happening, in which case they will sell a few top players and should get in a great young manager and continue their ethos, albeit with what will be a markedly different looking first team. We are talking a bright and ambitious young man like Eddie Howe.

If they want to try and hold everything together as it is, then their only chance is a very high profile appointment. Of the names listed we are talking a Rafa Benitez type, maybe Gus Poyet.

As for the board, it hopefully at the least has been a learning curve.

They have lost a manager and their promise of open communication has been made to look like a lot of hot air. They failed that test at the very first hurdle, and no trying to hide behind ‘legal reasons’ will ever convince otherwise.

They cannot repeat these mistakes again.

Yesterday was a sad day for all concerned. A really good and popular manager has left and in his wake is worry, instability and uncertainty.

The new board simply must curb this now. This situation is bad but not beyond repair.

However, if this summer doesn’t improve rapidly then there will even more serious questions to be answered by those in charge, and if they cannot or will not answer them then they could be in for a very rocky ride.

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7:19am Wed 28 May 14

martin van tuyl says...

Cortese was not everyone's cup of tea but his departure can now be seen for what it is. Cortese was ambitious, maybe too much so, but the new board did not share his outlook. Les Reed's patronising "no fire sale" statement ignored reality and Premiership reality. Of course players will leave once they are offered a huge wage increase somewhere else. The longer ther board ignore us fans and refuse to make a statement of intent, the more their competence and sincerity will be questioned.
Cortese was not everyone's cup of tea but his departure can now be seen for what it is. Cortese was ambitious, maybe too much so, but the new board did not share his outlook. Les Reed's patronising "no fire sale" statement ignored reality and Premiership reality. Of course players will leave once they are offered a huge wage increase somewhere else. The longer ther board ignore us fans and refuse to make a statement of intent, the more their competence and sincerity will be questioned. martin van tuyl
  • Score: 37

7:21am Wed 28 May 14

bigfella777 says...

Get Beattie down here
Get Beattie down here bigfella777
  • Score: -35

7:32am Wed 28 May 14

Golden_Salamander says...

That is a very damming comment about how Saints are being run since Nicola left.

Even the Echo think Ralph is a joke ====
"Ralph Krueger may be the chairman but his wishy washy statement .....""
That is a very damming comment about how Saints are being run since Nicola left. Even the Echo think Ralph is a joke ==== "Ralph Krueger may be the chairman but his wishy washy statement ....."" Golden_Salamander
  • Score: 20

7:41am Wed 28 May 14

Rudolf Hucker says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Get Beattie down here
say something positive for a change...you muppet
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Get Beattie down here[/p][/quote]say something positive for a change...you muppet Rudolf Hucker
  • Score: 7

7:44am Wed 28 May 14

Halo Saint says...

Stuff hearing what the minions have to say !! I WANT TO HEAR KATHERINAS STATEMENT OF INTENT !!
Stuff hearing what the minions have to say !! I WANT TO HEAR KATHERINAS STATEMENT OF INTENT !! Halo Saint
  • Score: 36

7:45am Wed 28 May 14

Jonny7oma says...

The emphasis seems to be that Pochattino is some sort of messiah and yet there were enough games where we were soundly beaten. Then there were all the games we started strongly and after half time, after the other manager worked out his retaliation, we were reduced to schoolboys running around trying to get the ball back and looked alarmingly p1ss poor. He could set the team up well but quite often couldn't offer another plan. He got the players fit but that's exactly what Strachan did when he came here with very similar results. I'd like to offer the oppinion that it's not the club that Pochettino had outgrown, rather the manager isn't able to take US any further. After all, his record is pretty mediocre to say the least and because Tottenham can't see any further than the end of their noses, They took the hype hook line and sinker. We are still a more attractive proposition than Tottenham because the new man can do things his way without any pressure and an almost limitless pool of ambitous talented youngsters also keen to improve. These may seem dark days but in the overall scheme of things, I beleive it's just the beginning of the next big adventure.
The emphasis seems to be that Pochattino is some sort of messiah and yet there were enough games where we were soundly beaten. Then there were all the games we started strongly and after half time, after the other manager worked out his retaliation, we were reduced to schoolboys running around trying to get the ball back and looked alarmingly p1ss poor. He could set the team up well but quite often couldn't offer another plan. He got the players fit but that's exactly what Strachan did when he came here with very similar results. I'd like to offer the oppinion that it's not the club that Pochettino had outgrown, rather the manager isn't able to take US any further. After all, his record is pretty mediocre to say the least and because Tottenham can't see any further than the end of their noses, They took the hype hook line and sinker. We are still a more attractive proposition than Tottenham because the new man can do things his way without any pressure and an almost limitless pool of ambitous talented youngsters also keen to improve. These may seem dark days but in the overall scheme of things, I beleive it's just the beginning of the next big adventure. Jonny7oma
  • Score: 128

7:53am Wed 28 May 14

St.Winch70 says...

Love the Echo reporter telling an experienced Sports Management Professional what he should've done! Also enjoy the way this article basically says to Saints fans 'Don't get ideas above your station'.
Pochettino told the club he was staying, whether that was a tool for leverage surrounding salary or something else changed his mind, only he knows. The board now can concentrate on getting the right individual, and giving them the appropriate proceeds from any sales to strengthen the squad for the coming season. Up the Saints.
Love the Echo reporter telling an experienced Sports Management Professional what he should've done! Also enjoy the way this article basically says to Saints fans 'Don't get ideas above your station'. Pochettino told the club he was staying, whether that was a tool for leverage surrounding salary or something else changed his mind, only he knows. The board now can concentrate on getting the right individual, and giving them the appropriate proceeds from any sales to strengthen the squad for the coming season. Up the Saints. St.Winch70
  • Score: 8

7:56am Wed 28 May 14

Dorssaints says...

Jonny7oma wrote:
The emphasis seems to be that Pochattino is some sort of messiah and yet there were enough games where we were soundly beaten. Then there were all the games we started strongly and after half time, after the other manager worked out his retaliation, we were reduced to schoolboys running around trying to get the ball back and looked alarmingly p1ss poor. He could set the team up well but quite often couldn't offer another plan. He got the players fit but that's exactly what Strachan did when he came here with very similar results. I'd like to offer the oppinion that it's not the club that Pochettino had outgrown, rather the manager isn't able to take US any further. After all, his record is pretty mediocre to say the least and because Tottenham can't see any further than the end of their noses, They took the hype hook line and sinker. We are still a more attractive proposition than Tottenham because the new man can do things his way without any pressure and an almost limitless pool of ambitous talented youngsters also keen to improve. These may seem dark days but in the overall scheme of things, I beleive it's just the beginning of the next big adventure.
Agree as 18 months at the club does not make history . Spurs think he can develop a great team of young players like Saints! No way spurs live for the day and I can't see Mopo working with some of their ego players ! Sad to say OBC - out by Christmas as Saints finish above Spurs!
[quote][p][bold]Jonny7oma[/bold] wrote: The emphasis seems to be that Pochattino is some sort of messiah and yet there were enough games where we were soundly beaten. Then there were all the games we started strongly and after half time, after the other manager worked out his retaliation, we were reduced to schoolboys running around trying to get the ball back and looked alarmingly p1ss poor. He could set the team up well but quite often couldn't offer another plan. He got the players fit but that's exactly what Strachan did when he came here with very similar results. I'd like to offer the oppinion that it's not the club that Pochettino had outgrown, rather the manager isn't able to take US any further. After all, his record is pretty mediocre to say the least and because Tottenham can't see any further than the end of their noses, They took the hype hook line and sinker. We are still a more attractive proposition than Tottenham because the new man can do things his way without any pressure and an almost limitless pool of ambitous talented youngsters also keen to improve. These may seem dark days but in the overall scheme of things, I beleive it's just the beginning of the next big adventure.[/p][/quote]Agree as 18 months at the club does not make history . Spurs think he can develop a great team of young players like Saints! No way spurs live for the day and I can't see Mopo working with some of their ego players ! Sad to say OBC - out by Christmas as Saints finish above Spurs! Dorssaints
  • Score: 33

7:57am Wed 28 May 14

Dorssaints says...

Jonny7oma wrote:
The emphasis seems to be that Pochattino is some sort of messiah and yet there were enough games where we were soundly beaten. Then there were all the games we started strongly and after half time, after the other manager worked out his retaliation, we were reduced to schoolboys running around trying to get the ball back and looked alarmingly p1ss poor. He could set the team up well but quite often couldn't offer another plan. He got the players fit but that's exactly what Strachan did when he came here with very similar results. I'd like to offer the oppinion that it's not the club that Pochettino had outgrown, rather the manager isn't able to take US any further. After all, his record is pretty mediocre to say the least and because Tottenham can't see any further than the end of their noses, They took the hype hook line and sinker. We are still a more attractive proposition than Tottenham because the new man can do things his way without any pressure and an almost limitless pool of ambitous talented youngsters also keen to improve. These may seem dark days but in the overall scheme of things, I beleive it's just the beginning of the next big adventure.
Agree as 18 months at the club does not make history . Spurs think he can develop a great team of young players like Saints! No way spurs live for the day and I can't see Mopo working with some of their ego players ! Sad to say OBC - out by Christmas as Saints finish above Spurs! Murat Yakin should b our next manager and take us to the next level !
[quote][p][bold]Jonny7oma[/bold] wrote: The emphasis seems to be that Pochattino is some sort of messiah and yet there were enough games where we were soundly beaten. Then there were all the games we started strongly and after half time, after the other manager worked out his retaliation, we were reduced to schoolboys running around trying to get the ball back and looked alarmingly p1ss poor. He could set the team up well but quite often couldn't offer another plan. He got the players fit but that's exactly what Strachan did when he came here with very similar results. I'd like to offer the oppinion that it's not the club that Pochettino had outgrown, rather the manager isn't able to take US any further. After all, his record is pretty mediocre to say the least and because Tottenham can't see any further than the end of their noses, They took the hype hook line and sinker. We are still a more attractive proposition than Tottenham because the new man can do things his way without any pressure and an almost limitless pool of ambitous talented youngsters also keen to improve. These may seem dark days but in the overall scheme of things, I beleive it's just the beginning of the next big adventure.[/p][/quote]Agree as 18 months at the club does not make history . Spurs think he can develop a great team of young players like Saints! No way spurs live for the day and I can't see Mopo working with some of their ego players ! Sad to say OBC - out by Christmas as Saints finish above Spurs! Murat Yakin should b our next manager and take us to the next level ! Dorssaints
  • Score: 9

7:59am Wed 28 May 14

Saint. says...

RK and KL have to act quick! They need to stop talking and start showing their ambition. As I personally said before I have so far not been impressed with the new board, as it all words and no action. Action speak loader than words!

This action by MP to spuds should anger the board!! Really anger them! RK says this challenge now is to find a high calibre manager! Nice sentiments but they must deliver on this! To bring a high calibre manager they need to bring in a high pressing attacking manager to keep the team accustom to what it knows and can do! To get a high calibre they will need to show no single player will leave! They will also need to show the potential high calibre manager financial backing!! This is a given if a high calibre manager is to come!!
If the above is hopefully archived. Then it would clearly show MP had no reason to go. Which then will lead to the question why? I for one think it is down to Les Reed and I would say that Saints need to dump him! I believe that MP must of been frustrated with Les Reed handling things in the transfer market and possible lack of success, and most likely shaw some of his targets go to spuds and not Saints!

So come on board turn this anger into a massive success! Get someone in who can deal with the transfer market! Get the high calibre manager in as promised! Like the look of Murat Yakin. Get the players back and show the level has now been up! Get Saints to the CL area! And most of all get us above spuds very soon and watch their fans get on MP back who knows this and why he took along time to get his five year contract so he financially save when it comes! As Levy simply does not give five year contracts! It's amazing how many spuds fans are not happy with MP appointment and how many spuds pundits slatted MP when spuds beat us and now praising him as the best thing since sliced bread!

Come on RK and KL show us your ambition you talk about, and show us nothing changed apart from the next level is here!!
RK and KL have to act quick! They need to stop talking and start showing their ambition. As I personally said before I have so far not been impressed with the new board, as it all words and no action. Action speak loader than words! This action by MP to spuds should anger the board!! Really anger them! RK says this challenge now is to find a high calibre manager! Nice sentiments but they must deliver on this! To bring a high calibre manager they need to bring in a high pressing attacking manager to keep the team accustom to what it knows and can do! To get a high calibre they will need to show no single player will leave! They will also need to show the potential high calibre manager financial backing!! This is a given if a high calibre manager is to come!! If the above is hopefully archived. Then it would clearly show MP had no reason to go. Which then will lead to the question why? I for one think it is down to Les Reed and I would say that Saints need to dump him! I believe that MP must of been frustrated with Les Reed handling things in the transfer market and possible lack of success, and most likely shaw some of his targets go to spuds and not Saints! So come on board turn this anger into a massive success! Get someone in who can deal with the transfer market! Get the high calibre manager in as promised! Like the look of Murat Yakin. Get the players back and show the level has now been up! Get Saints to the CL area! And most of all get us above spuds very soon and watch their fans get on MP back who knows this and why he took along time to get his five year contract so he financially save when it comes! As Levy simply does not give five year contracts! It's amazing how many spuds fans are not happy with MP appointment and how many spuds pundits slatted MP when spuds beat us and now praising him as the best thing since sliced bread! Come on RK and KL show us your ambition you talk about, and show us nothing changed apart from the next level is here!! Saint.
  • Score: 16

7:59am Wed 28 May 14

saint christopher says...

For once I believe the Echo have written a concise and very factual summary of our current situation. Personally I wouldn't disagree with any of its conclusions.

The vultures had been allowed to circle before but there will now be a veritable smorgasbord of footballing vultures, lions and hyenas descending upon us, partly because we are rightly or wrongly perceived as vulnerable which is the not the fault of Potch but of our board.

I think they have no more than a week to prove that they are NOT weak - initially by doing what they have singularly failed to do to date and that is making some very clear, unambiguous statements as to their future intents. Keeping quiet until something has actually happened is no longer a viable option.

More importantly however by the end of that week a new manager needs to have been all but appointed - until then we are rudderless and without any firm identity. I have no idea who the best man (or woman!) is, and we will all have our own opinions. But it's now that the new board has to stand up and show its true colours. Hopefully they will be red and white (stripes) rather than a grubby, nondescript grey. Time will tell.
For once I believe the Echo have written a concise and very factual summary of our current situation. Personally I wouldn't disagree with any of its conclusions. The vultures had been allowed to circle before but there will now be a veritable smorgasbord of footballing vultures, lions and hyenas descending upon us, partly because we are rightly or wrongly perceived as vulnerable which is the not the fault of Potch but of our board. I think they have no more than a week to prove that they are NOT weak - initially by doing what they have singularly failed to do to date and that is making some very clear, unambiguous statements as to their future intents. Keeping quiet until something has actually happened is no longer a viable option. More importantly however by the end of that week a new manager needs to have been all but appointed - until then we are rudderless and without any firm identity. I have no idea who the best man (or woman!) is, and we will all have our own opinions. But it's now that the new board has to stand up and show its true colours. Hopefully they will be red and white (stripes) rather than a grubby, nondescript grey. Time will tell. saint christopher
  • Score: 6

8:00am Wed 28 May 14

Public Health says...

We need to hear from the owner about her intentions, now.
We need to hear from the owner about her intentions, now. Public Health
  • Score: 10

8:00am Wed 28 May 14

hedge end bob says...

As a fan i feel we have in 24 hours projected an impression to the rest of the Premier league clubs that RUPERT LOWE IS IN FACT RUNNING OUR CLUB.
We as fans did not always like or agree with the actions of Nicola Cortesse but boy do i wish he was sat in Fredie's office this morning. He use to say he had a plan B for the club if things were on the slide. I hope to god that was not just talk. If ever the club needed this type of man it is now. I feel Poochy would not of walked away but would of been in talks about who to bring into the club to take us forward to where MARKUS had set his sights. I await the present boards actions but don't hold out much hope. PLEASE PLEASE prove me wrong for nothing would make me happier. I am not being Negative but at the moment, weather in shock or just feeling down, i can't see a good future for this present board.
As a fan i feel we have in 24 hours projected an impression to the rest of the Premier league clubs that RUPERT LOWE IS IN FACT RUNNING OUR CLUB. We as fans did not always like or agree with the actions of Nicola Cortesse but boy do i wish he was sat in Fredie's office this morning. He use to say he had a plan B for the club if things were on the slide. I hope to god that was not just talk. If ever the club needed this type of man it is now. I feel Poochy would not of walked away but would of been in talks about who to bring into the club to take us forward to where MARKUS had set his sights. I await the present boards actions but don't hold out much hope. PLEASE PLEASE prove me wrong for nothing would make me happier. I am not being Negative but at the moment, weather in shock or just feeling down, i can't see a good future for this present board. hedge end bob
  • Score: 3

8:03am Wed 28 May 14

Public Health says...

We need to hear from the owner about her intentions, now. If she plans to sell get on with it, but either way we need to know.
We need to hear from the owner about her intentions, now. If she plans to sell get on with it, but either way we need to know. Public Health
  • Score: 2

8:04am Wed 28 May 14

notaclue says...

The next appointment will say a lot about the board, they could still come out of this well if they get the right man.
The next appointment will say a lot about the board, they could still come out of this well if they get the right man. notaclue
  • Score: 20

8:10am Wed 28 May 14

NC Fan4Life says...

Good report DE for a change. It looks as though that is exactly what has happened. If that is the case then the new board especially Les Reed & Ralph Kruger have been more than naive, more incompetent. They had plenty of warning from many of on this site since Cortese left.

If it is not the case, and I hope it is not, then they have already got a new manager lined up so an appointment will be made this week. They must have realized that MoPo would take his 3 coaches with him so the timing of the sacking of Jason Dodd & Paul Williams is bewildering, unless their new incoming manager wanted this change as well.

Who ever they choose will be an indication of their ambition for the club.
As good a man as Eddie Howe is, he does not have any Premiership experience and is not high profile enough. Key players will leave and we will be accepting that mid-table is the best we will ever be. Ralph's statement about progressing will have been just 'hot air'.

If they can attract Rafa Benitez then their ambition is good and there is a good possibility that our star players will stay, for next season at least.
He would be interested as he would be able to bring a full team with him and from the new training ground with the academy be able to control all of the football side of the club.

Whoever they choose the new manager must be a man manager and ideally have a successful track record in the Premiership.

Other candidates like; Poyet would be a possibility; Moyes probably needs some recovery time; Clement although a good coach has no managerial experience and Yakin has no Premiership experience.

Only a manager of Benitez stature would keep our squad together.

So Katharina and the new Board will show us the future with their next appointment, I hope they have already got it sorted but fear they have not.
Good report DE for a change. It looks as though that is exactly what has happened. If that is the case then the new board especially Les Reed & Ralph Kruger have been more than naive, more incompetent. They had plenty of warning from many of on this site since Cortese left. If it is not the case, and I hope it is not, then they have already got a new manager lined up so an appointment will be made this week. They must have realized that MoPo would take his 3 coaches with him so the timing of the sacking of Jason Dodd & Paul Williams is bewildering, unless their new incoming manager wanted this change as well. Who ever they choose will be an indication of their ambition for the club. As good a man as Eddie Howe is, he does not have any Premiership experience and is not high profile enough. Key players will leave and we will be accepting that mid-table is the best we will ever be. Ralph's statement about progressing will have been just 'hot air'. If they can attract Rafa Benitez then their ambition is good and there is a good possibility that our star players will stay, for next season at least. He would be interested as he would be able to bring a full team with him and from the new training ground with the academy be able to control all of the football side of the club. Whoever they choose the new manager must be a man manager and ideally have a successful track record in the Premiership. Other candidates like; Poyet would be a possibility; Moyes probably needs some recovery time; Clement although a good coach has no managerial experience and Yakin has no Premiership experience. Only a manager of Benitez stature would keep our squad together. So Katharina and the new Board will show us the future with their next appointment, I hope they have already got it sorted but fear they have not. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 3

8:16am Wed 28 May 14

Shobby says...

We were played by Poch, he obviously had a clause in his contract that he could buy himself out when he had one year left. What could the board do other than wait for him to either do that or sign a new contract.
Football is a ruthless business ask Pardew and Adkins if they thought it was fair they got the sack.
I for one thought Poch was very good but he came to very good squad and he definitely had big flaws in his management .
If players or manager don't want to be at club let them go and have people playing that do.
It is change but it is still exciting times to be a Saints supporter.
We were played by Poch, he obviously had a clause in his contract that he could buy himself out when he had one year left. What could the board do other than wait for him to either do that or sign a new contract. Football is a ruthless business ask Pardew and Adkins if they thought it was fair they got the sack. I for one thought Poch was very good but he came to very good squad and he definitely had big flaws in his management . If players or manager don't want to be at club let them go and have people playing that do. It is change but it is still exciting times to be a Saints supporter. Shobby
  • Score: 16

8:31am Wed 28 May 14

Sheffieldsaint says...

If the Saints board have any ambition or backbone and the sound of their deafening silence suggests otherwise, and this is despite their claims of a new transparency, they should block any and every move other clubs particularly Spuds make for our players. Otherwise their credibility will plunge even further. Brace yourself all of us Saints fans for a bumpy ride. It seems to me that KL has been ill advised, RK is not up to what the premier league is all about and who the hell is Les Read a mouthpiece with no authority.They seem to be overwhelmed by the events leading up to Pochettino's departure and didn't know how to handle the situation.

There is less information coming out of St.Mary's than under NC's reign and are about as transparent as a block of lead. The merry go round starts again.
If the Saints board have any ambition or backbone and the sound of their deafening silence suggests otherwise, and this is despite their claims of a new transparency, they should block any and every move other clubs particularly Spuds make for our players. Otherwise their credibility will plunge even further. Brace yourself all of us Saints fans for a bumpy ride. It seems to me that KL has been ill advised, RK is not up to what the premier league is all about and who the hell is Les Read a mouthpiece with no authority.They seem to be overwhelmed by the events leading up to Pochettino's departure and didn't know how to handle the situation. There is less information coming out of St.Mary's than under NC's reign and are about as transparent as a block of lead. The merry go round starts again. Sheffieldsaint
  • Score: 1

8:33am Wed 28 May 14

Justthinkaboutit says...

The article talks about the chairman's statement as being "wishy-washy" but then bases its arguments on "perceptions".
MoPo's contract (signed by NC) had a £2m exit clause built in. We were always a potential stepping stone.
If the board had pushed the issue with MoPo at the end of season and had an openly unsettled club, would we achieved the points and prize money we did? Would the players have been even more unsettled?
Unfortunately money and personal ambition rule in top level football (and journalism) - the only truly loyal are the fans.
The article talks about the chairman's statement as being "wishy-washy" but then bases its arguments on "perceptions". MoPo's contract (signed by NC) had a £2m exit clause built in. We were always a potential stepping stone. If the board had pushed the issue with MoPo at the end of season and had an openly unsettled club, would we achieved the points and prize money we did? Would the players have been even more unsettled? Unfortunately money and personal ambition rule in top level football (and journalism) - the only truly loyal are the fans. Justthinkaboutit
  • Score: 9

8:34am Wed 28 May 14

andy newbury says...

now is the time for the board to stand up and show us fans what they are made of by taking their time and making sure (as sure as they can be) about the appointment of the next manager. Nothing else with regards to staff to happen until the managerial problem has been resolved, as you will have another problem in as mutch as he will not know who he will be working with.Use the staff to help promote the club as at present we have a good squad of players who have done well for us last season. Remember MP lead our players BUT THEY performed for us on the pitch NOT MP. So dispite the media WE still have a good TEAM ,remember nigel adkins era TOGETHER AS ONE. COYR. So to the board I say get your act together and show us what you are made of
now is the time for the board to stand up and show us fans what they are made of by taking their time and making sure (as sure as they can be) about the appointment of the next manager. Nothing else with regards to staff to happen until the managerial problem has been resolved, as you will have another problem in as mutch as he will not know who he will be working with.Use the staff to help promote the club as at present we have a good squad of players who have done well for us last season. Remember MP lead our players BUT THEY performed for us on the pitch NOT MP. So dispite the media WE still have a good TEAM ,remember nigel adkins era TOGETHER AS ONE. COYR. So to the board I say get your act together and show us what you are made of andy newbury
  • Score: 2

8:34am Wed 28 May 14

Costa Baz says...

When the manager said he wanted to wait until the summer, to discuss his contract, does anyone really think the board should have announced that they had already offered him a contract but he wasn't interested in looking at it, or signing it? REALLY?
You have a man, who has been very clever in manipulating the situation he wanted to create, and you wanted the board to announce to the whole world that he was ignoring a new contract?
All that would have done is alert everyone to the situation, and would have started this whole sad circus off even sooner.

Can anyone confirm, yet, that he would have had to sell the key players, in order to purchase new ones? All I've seen is media speculation.
Have we actually sold any key players, yet? No we haven't.

Just speculating, but maybe, just maybe, the new board didn't want MP to stay on, as he was Cortese's man, but didn't want to sack him?
Maybe it is MP who has been manipulated, into leaving, so that the new board can move on without the spectre of Cortese hanging over them, and a pay off in the bank?
It is easy to stand on the outside and tell the board what they should or should not have done, but without knowing the whole story, any advice will only be based on assumption and personal opinion based on those assumptions. To many on these threads are stating their assumptions and their opinions as facts, when they are not.

When Cortese refused to be drawn into making comments, or airing dirty linen in public, he was considered strong, for taking that stance.
When the new board take the same stance they are branded weak and naive.

Go figure.
When the manager said he wanted to wait until the summer, to discuss his contract, does anyone really think the board should have announced that they had already offered him a contract but he wasn't interested in looking at it, or signing it? REALLY? You have a man, who has been very clever in manipulating the situation he wanted to create, and you wanted the board to announce to the whole world that he was ignoring a new contract? All that would have done is alert everyone to the situation, and would have started this whole sad circus off even sooner. Can anyone confirm, yet, that he would have had to sell the key players, in order to purchase new ones? All I've seen is media speculation. Have we actually sold any key players, yet? No we haven't. Just speculating, but maybe, just maybe, the new board didn't want MP to stay on, as he was Cortese's man, but didn't want to sack him? Maybe it is MP who has been manipulated, into leaving, so that the new board can move on without the spectre of Cortese hanging over them, and a pay off in the bank? It is easy to stand on the outside and tell the board what they should or should not have done, but without knowing the whole story, any advice will only be based on assumption and personal opinion based on those assumptions. To many on these threads are stating their assumptions and their opinions as facts, when they are not. When Cortese refused to be drawn into making comments, or airing dirty linen in public, he was considered strong, for taking that stance. When the new board take the same stance they are branded weak and naive. Go figure. Costa Baz
  • Score: 27

8:38am Wed 28 May 14

N Smith says...

A club that has lost direction big time, get new owners or you will go down the leagues rapidly .
A club that has lost direction big time, get new owners or you will go down the leagues rapidly . N Smith
  • Score: -24

8:42am Wed 28 May 14

montecristosaint says...

Sadly I think that much of what has happened is due to one central theme that Krueger emphasized when he was appointed, that Saints had to live within its means. Which taken literally means that we have to clear our debts , pay increased wages, before being able to spend a single penny in the transfer market. This was hardly a scenario that Poch would have been interested in , particularly as the Board s solution for finding money to buy new players lay in selling Shaw and probably Lallana. Those two would in any event be probably impossible to replace like for like. I identified Krueger and Reed as a couple of yes men the day they were announced to the fans as appointees. They are inexperienced and unsuited to the roles they have been nominated. A further clue is Saints refusal to appoint the former Blackburn CEO Thompson to the job of CEO at Saints. A Saints fan, he would have prevented this situation from happening.As indeed I would! If you have no corporate or administration experience , have never run a business there is no way you should be considered for such posts. In conclusion, I m afraid the real culprit in all of this is Katarina Liebherr. She made completely the wrong appointments, because she was over concerned in her German fixation with accountability. She had been given the run around by Cortese and was determined that this would not happen again at Saints. And because of it she got things hopelessly wrong. I dont know what corporate experience she has, but it strikes me that she doesnt have too much savvy, she seems way out of her depth and has been played for a fish by Pochettino. If I were her, I would be reviewing my own performance this morning and wondering what to do to prevent disaster from striking. A grovelling apology to Cortese may seem a little far fetched, there are egos involved, but it would from Southampton s point of view be no bad thing. The rot would stop immediately if he came back. But as this is probably unlikely she could do worse than if she realized her mistakes, sacked Krueger and Reed, and brought in Thompson to steady the ship. We then might stand a chance of averting a fire sale this summer and of rercruiting a top manager to take over from Pochettino. because lets face it, if anybody thinks the basic problem will simply go away they are much mistaken. A top manager will require an acceptable transfer budget, and that too in view of Saints current commitments will require careful planning, The likes of Yakin or Koeman will not come to Saints without due and acceptable attention being paid to the transfer budget, and it was the perceived lack of attention to this that caused Pochettino to leave, not the size of his wage packet..Saints,ie Reed and Krueger obviously thought all they had to do was offer Poch a bigger salary than Spurs and the proceeds of the sale of Shaw and Lallana for Poch to stay but that was never the case. Managers want to win things as do players. and those two gentlemen,out of their desire to please their boss, got this hopelessly wrong. I , for one, realizing all of this, look forward to the summer with a sense of foreboding, as it will take a high degree of introspection for Liebherr to put things right and somehow I feel her injured pride, after her two prized management assets have walked away, will not allow her to do so. Lets hope I am wrong.
Sadly I think that much of what has happened is due to one central theme that Krueger emphasized when he was appointed, that Saints had to live within its means. Which taken literally means that we have to clear our debts , pay increased wages, before being able to spend a single penny in the transfer market. This was hardly a scenario that Poch would have been interested in , particularly as the Board s solution for finding money to buy new players lay in selling Shaw and probably Lallana. Those two would in any event be probably impossible to replace like for like. I identified Krueger and Reed as a couple of yes men the day they were announced to the fans as appointees. They are inexperienced and unsuited to the roles they have been nominated. A further clue is Saints refusal to appoint the former Blackburn CEO Thompson to the job of CEO at Saints. A Saints fan, he would have prevented this situation from happening.As indeed I would! If you have no corporate or administration experience , have never run a business there is no way you should be considered for such posts. In conclusion, I m afraid the real culprit in all of this is Katarina Liebherr. She made completely the wrong appointments, because she was over concerned in her German fixation with accountability. She had been given the run around by Cortese and was determined that this would not happen again at Saints. And because of it she got things hopelessly wrong. I dont know what corporate experience she has, but it strikes me that she doesnt have too much savvy, she seems way out of her depth and has been played for a fish by Pochettino. If I were her, I would be reviewing my own performance this morning and wondering what to do to prevent disaster from striking. A grovelling apology to Cortese may seem a little far fetched, there are egos involved, but it would from Southampton s point of view be no bad thing. The rot would stop immediately if he came back. But as this is probably unlikely she could do worse than if she realized her mistakes, sacked Krueger and Reed, and brought in Thompson to steady the ship. We then might stand a chance of averting a fire sale this summer and of rercruiting a top manager to take over from Pochettino. because lets face it, if anybody thinks the basic problem will simply go away they are much mistaken. A top manager will require an acceptable transfer budget, and that too in view of Saints current commitments will require careful planning, The likes of Yakin or Koeman will not come to Saints without due and acceptable attention being paid to the transfer budget, and it was the perceived lack of attention to this that caused Pochettino to leave, not the size of his wage packet..Saints,ie Reed and Krueger obviously thought all they had to do was offer Poch a bigger salary than Spurs and the proceeds of the sale of Shaw and Lallana for Poch to stay but that was never the case. Managers want to win things as do players. and those two gentlemen,out of their desire to please their boss, got this hopelessly wrong. I , for one, realizing all of this, look forward to the summer with a sense of foreboding, as it will take a high degree of introspection for Liebherr to put things right and somehow I feel her injured pride, after her two prized management assets have walked away, will not allow her to do so. Lets hope I am wrong. montecristosaint
  • Score: 0

8:44am Wed 28 May 14

spirit of 66 says...

Why slag the Board off? The appointment of the new manager, (my money's on Yakin), will demonstrate who played who. Maybe they deliberately set it up so that Mopo left? (and HE pays Saints £2 million for leaving!). We've had a total clear-out in the last 6 months,,,Chairman, Manager, Assistant Coaches, Youth Coaches. The only people left are the players, physios and Mrs Wilson in the office. Here comes the new era, the new 5 year plan. ONWARDS and UPWARDS.
Why slag the Board off? The appointment of the new manager, (my money's on Yakin), will demonstrate who played who. Maybe they deliberately set it up so that Mopo left? (and HE pays Saints £2 million for leaving!). We've had a total clear-out in the last 6 months,,,Chairman, Manager, Assistant Coaches, Youth Coaches. The only people left are the players, physios and Mrs Wilson in the office. Here comes the new era, the new 5 year plan. ONWARDS and UPWARDS. spirit of 66
  • Score: 21

8:46am Wed 28 May 14

saintbobby says...

Well said, Daily Echo. This is how it is and those who do not agree, have rose-tinted glasses.

The very biggest worry now is that we could see the squad upset and the hell of losing players. Some sale to provide funds is understandable but we would not like it, obviously. On the other hand we do not want unhappy players.

When we remember the "please stay" comments from some players, this emphasises how worried we should be today.

Personally, I was convinced when NC left that Poch would not stay, but it is still a shock.

The point of the Echo article is that the Board have questions to answer. The lack of ongoing comment, though confidentiality understood, has made them look like a rabbit caught in the headlights.

In fact, and I hate myself for this, if they do not get a good bloke in dead quick and we do lose players - then we could be lucky to finish 8th from bottom. Hell, I would HATE that as would we all.

There have been some rocky times but what seems inertia by the club, is very unwelcome. They could sort it out by telling us their plan. We deserve something more than we have had so far.

So can you guess - I am still fed up!
Well said, Daily Echo. This is how it is and those who do not agree, have rose-tinted glasses. The very biggest worry now is that we could see the squad upset and the hell of losing players. Some sale to provide funds is understandable but we would not like it, obviously. On the other hand we do not want unhappy players. When we remember the "please stay" comments from some players, this emphasises how worried we should be today. Personally, I was convinced when NC left that Poch would not stay, but it is still a shock. The point of the Echo article is that the Board have questions to answer. The lack of ongoing comment, though confidentiality understood, has made them look like a rabbit caught in the headlights. In fact, and I hate myself for this, if they do not get a good bloke in dead quick and we do lose players - then we could be lucky to finish 8th from bottom. Hell, I would HATE that as would we all. There have been some rocky times but what seems inertia by the club, is very unwelcome. They could sort it out by telling us their plan. We deserve something more than we have had so far. So can you guess - I am still fed up! saintbobby
  • Score: 3

8:46am Wed 28 May 14

bluewhiteandred says...

martin van tuyl wrote:
Cortese was not everyone's cup of tea but his departure can now be seen for what it is. Cortese was ambitious, maybe too much so, but the new board did not share his outlook. Les Reed's patronising "no fire sale" statement ignored reality and Premiership reality. Of course players will leave once they are offered a huge wage increase somewhere else. The longer ther board ignore us fans and refuse to make a statement of intent, the more their competence and sincerity will be questioned.
POCH stayed until anyone came in for him as it was Spurs they took him and will pay Saints any compensation and Poch did not follow Cortesse immediately as threatened previous as he would of breached contract and it would of cost Poch instead unless their was a SAINTS contract clause . Academy coaches sacked will they follow POCH ? will some players follow ?
New manager should be Nigel Adkins being sacked by Reading and Poch took his place should be considered to finish his work he may persuade your players to stay ?
Saints rise has ended back to relegation battles now .
[quote][p][bold]martin van tuyl[/bold] wrote: Cortese was not everyone's cup of tea but his departure can now be seen for what it is. Cortese was ambitious, maybe too much so, but the new board did not share his outlook. Les Reed's patronising "no fire sale" statement ignored reality and Premiership reality. Of course players will leave once they are offered a huge wage increase somewhere else. The longer ther board ignore us fans and refuse to make a statement of intent, the more their competence and sincerity will be questioned.[/p][/quote]POCH stayed until anyone came in for him as it was Spurs they took him and will pay Saints any compensation and Poch did not follow Cortesse immediately as threatened previous as he would of breached contract and it would of cost Poch instead unless their was a SAINTS contract clause . Academy coaches sacked will they follow POCH ? will some players follow ? New manager should be Nigel Adkins being sacked by Reading and Poch took his place should be considered to finish his work he may persuade your players to stay ? Saints rise has ended back to relegation battles now . bluewhiteandred
  • Score: -16

8:53am Wed 28 May 14

right back in the bar says...

This is a spot on and of course we saw it coming but we suspended belief in the hope it would not. The fact the Board did the same is a disgrace. If that is the mentality I doubt they even have a plan B which is to show Reed the door (today) and appoint a new manager within a week to start work on salvaging something from this wreckage. And I'm with the few others on here who have said that MP was good but not that good - we were a team without width that struggled to score goals and turn 60-70% possession into victories, and that is indicative of a lack of imaginative coaching. But it was important to retain him because of his obvious affinity with the players. So, we need someone quickly who can impress on those players undecided about their futures that SFC is still a good place to be. But its a tough prospect and I cannot help thinking that the shower that pass for a Board at our club have precipitated an exodus and AL,LS, MS, NC, and Jrod (in Jan 2015) will all leave- and I will lay money that MS will follow MP to Spuds. Prospect for next season? Stay in the Prem and rebuild.
Having said all this why don't we all get down to the stadium this evening and put on a massive protest?
This is a spot on and of course we saw it coming but we suspended belief in the hope it would not. The fact the Board did the same is a disgrace. If that is the mentality I doubt they even have a plan B which is to show Reed the door (today) and appoint a new manager within a week to start work on salvaging something from this wreckage. And I'm with the few others on here who have said that MP was good but not that good - we were a team without width that struggled to score goals and turn 60-70% possession into victories, and that is indicative of a lack of imaginative coaching. But it was important to retain him because of his obvious affinity with the players. So, we need someone quickly who can impress on those players undecided about their futures that SFC is still a good place to be. But its a tough prospect and I cannot help thinking that the shower that pass for a Board at our club have precipitated an exodus and AL,LS, MS, NC, and Jrod (in Jan 2015) will all leave- and I will lay money that MS will follow MP to Spuds. Prospect for next season? Stay in the Prem and rebuild. Having said all this why don't we all get down to the stadium this evening and put on a massive protest? right back in the bar
  • Score: -10

8:54am Wed 28 May 14

Folkestone Saint says...

Shobby wrote:
We were played by Poch, he obviously had a clause in his contract that he could buy himself out when he had one year left. What could the board do other than wait for him to either do that or sign a new contract.
Football is a ruthless business ask Pardew and Adkins if they thought it was fair they got the sack.
I for one thought Poch was very good but he came to very good squad and he definitely had big flaws in his management .
If players or manager don't want to be at club let them go and have people playing that do.
It is change but it is still exciting times to be a Saints supporter.
I too felt he was just using us as a shop window, don't get me wrong, I'm not happy at being right. I do feel this is a sideways step though as we are the largest club south of the Thames and the spuds are not even the second biggest club in London.

To the skate wum's, as you have done both, what is the worst to lose, your manager or your dignity, answers in crayon please
[quote][p][bold]Shobby[/bold] wrote: We were played by Poch, he obviously had a clause in his contract that he could buy himself out when he had one year left. What could the board do other than wait for him to either do that or sign a new contract. Football is a ruthless business ask Pardew and Adkins if they thought it was fair they got the sack. I for one thought Poch was very good but he came to very good squad and he definitely had big flaws in his management . If players or manager don't want to be at club let them go and have people playing that do. It is change but it is still exciting times to be a Saints supporter.[/p][/quote]I too felt he was just using us as a shop window, don't get me wrong, I'm not happy at being right. I do feel this is a sideways step though as we are the largest club south of the Thames and the spuds are not even the second biggest club in London. To the skate wum's, as you have done both, what is the worst to lose, your manager or your dignity, answers in crayon please Folkestone Saint
  • Score: 10

8:55am Wed 28 May 14

Alicesdad says...

OK I admit it. This article sums up the position perfectly.

From the moment that Cortese left, Pochetinno was gone, it was just a ticking bomb.

The same applies to Lallana and Shaw. They are going, we all know that. But we try to hang on to the hope that they may stay. We do that because we love this team... and love is blind.

It is absolutely correct that the feeble press statements we have seen are doing nothing but filling in space while we await actions and facts.

We need to :

- Get a profile manager, someone with a track record and someone we can believe in.
- Try to stop a mass exodus of players.
- Make some good core signings to replace those that leave. They need to be convincing signings, not bargain basement filler. They will be expensive.

The board also needs to sort out its profile and communications strategy.
I always bought into Cortese's wall of silence. You knew he wasn't hiding, he just didnt want to say anything unless it was worthwhile. Top man.

I think Krueger is facing some uncertainty, that never happened with Cortese. He had a vision, when he spoke it was worth listening to. I think Krueger may be the right man for this job, but he needs some time and must learn that any sense of wavering is unacceptable. Make a statement by all means but put some meaning in it, not off the shelf platitudes and comic strip cliches.

Les Reed ?? I have no idea !! Is he worth his spot at the club.? I don't know. I cannot see a specific example of a truly succesful imprint though. There's too much left over from the Cortese days that had its own momentum. I wan to see what Reed delivers and I'm not sure about that just yet. I'm waiting for something that says, "thank goodness Reed did that" or makes you think "yup that was a shrewd move"... Im waiting patiently !

Gareth Rogers ? Who? I had genuinely forgotten he existed until this article appeared. . No doubt behind the closed doors he's a powerhouse of executive decision and dynamism. But there is no public awareness and certainly no element of "persona" or gravitas.

The owners will now face a tricky time. I hope Katharina has a real feeling for the club, and invests in the club emotionally as well as financially.

So well done Echo, I take my hat off to you. No other article today is going to top this one for saying it like it is. The fans are now going to wait and chew the cud about the next manager. I hope the decision is relatively soon but I'd rather they chose well than quickly.

Under Cortese we just knew that he made mostly good moves, not always -but mostly. We knew we wouldn't be messed around.

We need to get that feeling back.
OK I admit it. This article sums up the position perfectly. From the moment that Cortese left, Pochetinno was gone, it was just a ticking bomb. The same applies to Lallana and Shaw. They are going, we all know that. But we try to hang on to the hope that they may stay. We do that because we love this team... and love is blind. It is absolutely correct that the feeble press statements we have seen are doing nothing but filling in space while we await actions and facts. We need to : - Get a profile manager, someone with a track record and someone we can believe in. - Try to stop a mass exodus of players. - Make some good core signings to replace those that leave. They need to be convincing signings, not bargain basement filler. They will be expensive. The board also needs to sort out its profile and communications strategy. I always bought into Cortese's wall of silence. You knew he wasn't hiding, he just didnt want to say anything unless it was worthwhile. Top man. I think Krueger is facing some uncertainty, that never happened with Cortese. He had a vision, when he spoke it was worth listening to. I think Krueger may be the right man for this job, but he needs some time and must learn that any sense of wavering is unacceptable. Make a statement by all means but put some meaning in it, not off the shelf platitudes and comic strip cliches. Les Reed ?? I have no idea !! Is he worth his spot at the club.? I don't know. I cannot see a specific example of a truly succesful imprint though. There's too much left over from the Cortese days that had its own momentum. I wan to see what Reed delivers and I'm not sure about that just yet. I'm waiting for something that says, "thank goodness Reed did that" or makes you think "yup that was a shrewd move"... Im waiting patiently ! Gareth Rogers ? Who? I had genuinely forgotten he existed until this article appeared. . No doubt behind the closed doors he's a powerhouse of executive decision and dynamism. But there is no public awareness and certainly no element of "persona" or gravitas. The owners will now face a tricky time. I hope Katharina has a real feeling for the club, and invests in the club emotionally as well as financially. So well done Echo, I take my hat off to you. No other article today is going to top this one for saying it like it is. The fans are now going to wait and chew the cud about the next manager. I hope the decision is relatively soon but I'd rather they chose well than quickly. Under Cortese we just knew that he made mostly good moves, not always -but mostly. We knew we wouldn't be messed around. We need to get that feeling back. Alicesdad
  • Score: 15

8:56am Wed 28 May 14

N Smith says...

Halo Saint wrote:
Stuff hearing what the minions have to say !! I WANT TO HEAR KATHERINAS STATEMENT OF INTENT !!
She's going to take the money and run
[quote][p][bold]Halo Saint[/bold] wrote: Stuff hearing what the minions have to say !! I WANT TO HEAR KATHERINAS STATEMENT OF INTENT !![/p][/quote]She's going to take the money and run N Smith
  • Score: -7

8:56am Wed 28 May 14

stu the saint says...

I said from day one if poch leaves that shows how much ambitionsaints have as a club.. The warning signs are all their aswell with players like Lallana being coy about the future Luke Shaw apparently is a done deal, Morgan's comments in the French press.. Cortese leaving! I'm sorry guys you only have to look at the warning signs to see where the problems lay. The only way the saints board can get this back on track is if they get a manager like Rafa or De Bour... Let's be honest that ain't gonna happen.
I said from day one if poch leaves that shows how much ambitionsaints have as a club.. The warning signs are all their aswell with players like Lallana being coy about the future Luke Shaw apparently is a done deal, Morgan's comments in the French press.. Cortese leaving! I'm sorry guys you only have to look at the warning signs to see where the problems lay. The only way the saints board can get this back on track is if they get a manager like Rafa or De Bour... Let's be honest that ain't gonna happen. stu the saint
  • Score: -7

9:00am Wed 28 May 14

Alicesdad says...

notaclue wrote:
The next appointment will say a lot about the board, they could still come out of this well if they get the right man.
Exactly.
[quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: The next appointment will say a lot about the board, they could still come out of this well if they get the right man.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Alicesdad
  • Score: 7

9:11am Wed 28 May 14

JimmyLondon says...

Whether the board were played, whether we were played by poch who knows. What I do know though is that we need a statement from KL and RK quickly to stem the uncertanty surrounding the club. they need to make decisive decisions and provide some clarity and they need to do it today. i dont think anyone should renew their season tickets until the club make a proper and full statement. i for one am not convinced by the owner or boards intentions.
Whether the board were played, whether we were played by poch who knows. What I do know though is that we need a statement from KL and RK quickly to stem the uncertanty surrounding the club. they need to make decisive decisions and provide some clarity and they need to do it today. i dont think anyone should renew their season tickets until the club make a proper and full statement. i for one am not convinced by the owner or boards intentions. JimmyLondon
  • Score: -1

9:22am Wed 28 May 14

StHuey says...

Dorssaints wrote:
Jonny7oma wrote:
The emphasis seems to be that Pochattino is some sort of messiah and yet there were enough games where we were soundly beaten. Then there were all the games we started strongly and after half time, after the other manager worked out his retaliation, we were reduced to schoolboys running around trying to get the ball back and looked alarmingly p1ss poor. He could set the team up well but quite often couldn't offer another plan. He got the players fit but that's exactly what Strachan did when he came here with very similar results. I'd like to offer the oppinion that it's not the club that Pochettino had outgrown, rather the manager isn't able to take US any further. After all, his record is pretty mediocre to say the least and because Tottenham can't see any further than the end of their noses, They took the hype hook line and sinker. We are still a more attractive proposition than Tottenham because the new man can do things his way without any pressure and an almost limitless pool of ambitous talented youngsters also keen to improve. These may seem dark days but in the overall scheme of things, I beleive it's just the beginning of the next big adventure.
Agree as 18 months at the club does not make history . Spurs think he can develop a great team of young players like Saints! No way spurs live for the day and I can't see Mopo working with some of their ego players ! Sad to say OBC - out by Christmas as Saints finish above Spurs! Murat Yakin should b our next manager and take us to the next level !
18 months??? Don't let Pochettino rewrite history by his 'open' letter aimed at disguising his own greed. 16 months.
[quote][p][bold]Dorssaints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny7oma[/bold] wrote: The emphasis seems to be that Pochattino is some sort of messiah and yet there were enough games where we were soundly beaten. Then there were all the games we started strongly and after half time, after the other manager worked out his retaliation, we were reduced to schoolboys running around trying to get the ball back and looked alarmingly p1ss poor. He could set the team up well but quite often couldn't offer another plan. He got the players fit but that's exactly what Strachan did when he came here with very similar results. I'd like to offer the oppinion that it's not the club that Pochettino had outgrown, rather the manager isn't able to take US any further. After all, his record is pretty mediocre to say the least and because Tottenham can't see any further than the end of their noses, They took the hype hook line and sinker. We are still a more attractive proposition than Tottenham because the new man can do things his way without any pressure and an almost limitless pool of ambitous talented youngsters also keen to improve. These may seem dark days but in the overall scheme of things, I beleive it's just the beginning of the next big adventure.[/p][/quote]Agree as 18 months at the club does not make history . Spurs think he can develop a great team of young players like Saints! No way spurs live for the day and I can't see Mopo working with some of their ego players ! Sad to say OBC - out by Christmas as Saints finish above Spurs! Murat Yakin should b our next manager and take us to the next level ![/p][/quote]18 months??? Don't let Pochettino rewrite history by his 'open' letter aimed at disguising his own greed. 16 months. StHuey
  • Score: 5

9:23am Wed 28 May 14

pitbull says...

I think it's possible that the board and players new Pochettino was going a long time ago.
Over the last couple of months a lot of the players have said in interviews that Pochettino needs to stay but not a single one of them gave a hint that he would.
And lets not forget, Pochettino was brought to the club by Cortese and is still a close friend.
Perhaps the board thought there might be an issue with private information being passed to Cortese.

The players have all said their future will be sorted in the summer, is it a case that they are waiting to see who the new manager is before publicly committing to the club.

We should not be slating the board until we see what calibre of manager gets appointed.
The board are also not bowing to pressure from the media and Hodgson to complete player deals before the world cup. I don't think we'll see any player movement until a new manager is installed.
The biggest kick in the teeth would be selling any player to Tottenham, this just cannot happen.
With the right person in charge we'll be challenging the Spuds for a Champions League place next season.
I think it's possible that the board and players new Pochettino was going a long time ago. Over the last couple of months a lot of the players have said in interviews that Pochettino needs to stay but not a single one of them gave a hint that he would. And lets not forget, Pochettino was brought to the club by Cortese and is still a close friend. Perhaps the board thought there might be an issue with private information being passed to Cortese. The players have all said their future will be sorted in the summer, is it a case that they are waiting to see who the new manager is before publicly committing to the club. We should not be slating the board until we see what calibre of manager gets appointed. The board are also not bowing to pressure from the media and Hodgson to complete player deals before the world cup. I don't think we'll see any player movement until a new manager is installed. The biggest kick in the teeth would be selling any player to Tottenham, this just cannot happen. With the right person in charge we'll be challenging the Spuds for a Champions League place next season. pitbull
  • Score: 9

9:29am Wed 28 May 14

milton road says...

I liked Poch but I had on occasion said despite our lovely football there was a naivity to it. We pressed and often there would be a whole team between us and goal in the last third. We were too often caught on the counter attack. The top teams had wporked out the system and we only won two games this term and lost 8 to the top seven. His win percentage of 32% does noit exactly overwhelm you. ABV was around 57% and 59% Sherwood.
Adkins had turned the corner after a rocky first 10 games of the season where we played the top six clubs and had the team back on track and playing good football. Even then the media were on about our evolving and attractive football. Is the success this season down to Poch or that our players had a year's experience under their belt. Yes we played good football and Poch is a good manager we didin't want to leave. Yet I may be proved wrong I don't think he will take Spurs to CL, his system is too easily combated by the other top clubs. I think with us he would of evolved as we did, don't think he will get the chance at Spurs.
Krueger from his first statement aired comments that should not have been said and elerted the media anf other clubs to problems wer real or otherwise. His statement was naive ill-timed and di-stabilised the club.
I liked Poch but I had on occasion said despite our lovely football there was a naivity to it. We pressed and often there would be a whole team between us and goal in the last third. We were too often caught on the counter attack. The top teams had wporked out the system and we only won two games this term and lost 8 to the top seven. His win percentage of 32% does noit exactly overwhelm you. ABV was around 57% and 59% Sherwood. Adkins had turned the corner after a rocky first 10 games of the season where we played the top six clubs and had the team back on track and playing good football. Even then the media were on about our evolving and attractive football. Is the success this season down to Poch or that our players had a year's experience under their belt. Yes we played good football and Poch is a good manager we didin't want to leave. Yet I may be proved wrong I don't think he will take Spurs to CL, his system is too easily combated by the other top clubs. I think with us he would of evolved as we did, don't think he will get the chance at Spurs. Krueger from his first statement aired comments that should not have been said and elerted the media anf other clubs to problems wer real or otherwise. His statement was naive ill-timed and di-stabilised the club. milton road
  • Score: 0

9:39am Wed 28 May 14

Confucious says...

The Liebherr family have sunk a great deal of money into Saints - money which lifted us from minus 10 points in Div 1 to eighth in the Prem. Katherina has stepped in for Markus, become a fan - and has flown over from Switzerland to be at our matches. It seems to me that she cares about the club and about her Dad's legacy.

Would any other owner - or any one of us if we had the cash - give Nicola (a well paid employee with considerable self esteem) entirely unfettered control to spend tens of millions? And let's not forget, even then, Nicola WAS asked to stay and MoPo WAS offered a no doubt lucrative new contract to stay.

Nicola went and didn't help much recently when he gave a somewhat sniping and self-serving interview. As for MoPo - well he seems to have strung us along for some months and departed the minute he got the Spurs offer. Is that "The Southampton Way" you talked so much about Nicola and MoPo?

The fact is Nicola and Mopo have both bu*gered off and left us entirely of their own accord. Katherina is still here with the fans. We should trust her - she's earned that much. And look around - we could do so much worse!

I'm as disappointed and concerned as the next man, but if you ask me who has the most genuine heart in our club, the fans and the community - Katherina, Cortese or Pochettino? - well, it's the lady first.
The Liebherr family have sunk a great deal of money into Saints - money which lifted us from minus 10 points in Div 1 to eighth in the Prem. Katherina has stepped in for Markus, become a fan - and has flown over from Switzerland to be at our matches. It seems to me that she cares about the club and about her Dad's legacy. Would any other owner - or any one of us if we had the cash - give Nicola (a well paid employee with considerable self esteem) entirely unfettered control to spend tens of millions? And let's not forget, even then, Nicola WAS asked to stay and MoPo WAS offered a no doubt lucrative new contract to stay. Nicola went and didn't help much recently when he gave a somewhat sniping and self-serving interview. As for MoPo - well he seems to have strung us along for some months and departed the minute he got the Spurs offer. Is that "The Southampton Way" you talked so much about Nicola and MoPo? The fact is Nicola and Mopo have both bu*gered off and left us entirely of their own accord. Katherina is still here with the fans. We should trust her - she's earned that much. And look around - we could do so much worse! I'm as disappointed and concerned as the next man, but if you ask me who has the most genuine heart in our club, the fans and the community - Katherina, Cortese or Pochettino? - well, it's the lady first. Confucious
  • Score: 31

9:44am Wed 28 May 14

oil_beef_hooked says...

"A club with tremendous history and prestige. Abundance of top-class talent.
They have a huge following across the world and I have great admiration for the passion the fans show for the team".

These were MP's comments on the spuds web site yesterday

Could be some things we were lacking then at our club, for him to leave
"A club with tremendous history and prestige. Abundance of top-class talent. They have a huge following across the world and I have great admiration for the passion the fans show for the team". These were MP's comments on the spuds web site yesterday Could be some things we were lacking then at our club, for him to leave oil_beef_hooked
  • Score: -3

9:45am Wed 28 May 14

saintforever says...

whats it like to be loyal
whats it like to be true
you don't know
cos you are pochettino, pochettino
whats it like to be loyal whats it like to be true you don't know cos you are pochettino, pochettino saintforever
  • Score: 4

9:46am Wed 28 May 14

pitbull says...

Public Health wrote:
We need to hear from the owner about her intentions, now.
Ralph Kreuger is her spokesman and made a statement yesterday, which to me, sounded quite positive.
He basically said that the club has been moving forward since Marcus arrived and will continue to do so.
We don't know why Pochettino left, we can only assume.

Here's Ralphs statement, now read it with a bit of passion and belief.

“The Club has been on a constant path of growth since the arrival of Markus Liebherr in 2009. This growth took place before Mauricio came, it continued strongly under his leadership, and it will continue into the next season. The Board’s job is to find opportunity in this challenge and to continue to move the Club forward".
[quote][p][bold]Public Health[/bold] wrote: We need to hear from the owner about her intentions, now.[/p][/quote]Ralph Kreuger is her spokesman and made a statement yesterday, which to me, sounded quite positive. He basically said that the club has been moving forward since Marcus arrived and will continue to do so. We don't know why Pochettino left, we can only assume. Here's Ralphs statement, now read it with a bit of passion and belief. “The Club has been on a constant path of growth since the arrival of Markus Liebherr in 2009. This growth took place before Mauricio came, it continued strongly under his leadership, and it will continue into the next season. The Board’s job is to find opportunity in this challenge and to continue to move the Club forward". pitbull
  • Score: 6

10:01am Wed 28 May 14

Dave Brown says...

After the final game of the season I am beginning to have serious doubts now as to the ability of Southamptons Fotball Club Board of Directors to run a Premiership football club.
They I feel have been out manoeuvred left vulnerable by Pochetino along with the undermining articles in the press(all I believe orchestrated by Cortese)and now need to show the fans that they are not all headless chicken which will allow the club to fall into total diss array.
As for Les Reed your words appear extremely hollow now about nobody leaving the club,maybe you will be the next to fall on your sword.
After the final game of the season I am beginning to have serious doubts now as to the ability of Southamptons Fotball Club Board of Directors to run a Premiership football club. They I feel have been out manoeuvred left vulnerable by Pochetino along with the undermining articles in the press(all I believe orchestrated by Cortese)and now need to show the fans that they are not all headless chicken which will allow the club to fall into total diss array. As for Les Reed your words appear extremely hollow now about nobody leaving the club,maybe you will be the next to fall on your sword. Dave Brown
  • Score: -3

10:02am Wed 28 May 14

killared says...

saintforever wrote:
whats it like to be loyal
whats it like to be true
you don't know
cos you are pochettino, pochettino
I'm sorry but that is a stupid statement ! Something might happen between him and the board and the Chairman no one knows . Now If you work for a company for a couple of years and you are successful then another company come along company offer you a job with more money with a big project and more recognition all over the world you would take it wouldn't you ! It's like that everywhere and it's a steeping stone for him for a bigger job . So why you question Mopo loyalty ? You don't know what happen between the chairman and Mopo she might say to him this year we will sale every key players and deal with what you got in the academy we don't know so please stop you bashing on Mopo he has done very well for the club good luck to him but right now we don't have time to cry or think about the past we need a new coach asap and some new blood.
[quote][p][bold]saintforever[/bold] wrote: whats it like to be loyal whats it like to be true you don't know cos you are pochettino, pochettino[/p][/quote]I'm sorry but that is a stupid statement ! Something might happen between him and the board and the Chairman no one knows . Now If you work for a company for a couple of years and you are successful then another company come along company offer you a job with more money with a big project and more recognition all over the world you would take it wouldn't you ! It's like that everywhere and it's a steeping stone for him for a bigger job . So why you question Mopo loyalty ? You don't know what happen between the chairman and Mopo she might say to him this year we will sale every key players and deal with what you got in the academy we don't know so please stop you bashing on Mopo he has done very well for the club good luck to him but right now we don't have time to cry or think about the past we need a new coach asap and some new blood. killared
  • Score: -9

10:03am Wed 28 May 14

Malcombe says...

I assume that all Premiership Managers can be contacted by Telephone either personally or an Agent and in this case Levy wanted MoPo who's loyalty wasn't SFC it is Cortese who probably helped set up the job for MoPo so it was a easy catch. I am angry because MoPo Managed under false pretences and hoodwinked and cheated the Supporters from January IMO and his departing words ring hollow and can be treated with the contempt that it's worth, behind that sweet façade is something more sinister with a hint of mistrust, I admit to being a little bit bitter because it has opened a big can of worms and Nicola was probably right it wouldn't of happened on his watch because MoPo would still have Nicola his friend at the Club . .

MoPo introduced a plan of pressing high up the pitch for Playing and the Team responded and we all admit it was a pleasure to watch, the fitness of the Players was evident but the plan is probably now on the Football agenda for other Managers, it can be copied and adapted throughout the English Football League but it also has to be combated not necessarily with pretty Football, it could mean that too much emphasise on keeping the Ball can lead to defeat if plan B hasn't been introduced quickly to switch to defend and counter attack, one example was Paul Lambert Manager of Aston Villa he had worked on a plan and they beat Southampton with sucker punches.

It's now time for Southampton FC to move on and despite some criticism towards the Board if MoPo's mind was set for change they cannot stop it and I believe it was a parting assurance and pact between MoPo and Nicola in January,stay at St Marys until the end of the season in that time a job with a top Club will be available but do not tell anyone, not once did we hear MoPo say I will still be here next season to continue the progress with the mission I started with Nicola, after the last game he did say he wanted to have clarification for the future plans when he was already into it, oh how I feel I've been so gullible a sucker, I'm very annoyed because I didn't want to be disappointed so I too will move on for hopefully even more exciting Football and a top 6 finish next season and a season Ticket for the first time.
I assume that all Premiership Managers can be contacted by Telephone either personally or an Agent and in this case Levy wanted MoPo who's loyalty wasn't SFC it is Cortese who probably helped set up the job for MoPo so it was a easy catch. I am angry because MoPo Managed under false pretences and hoodwinked and cheated the Supporters from January IMO and his departing words ring hollow and can be treated with the contempt that it's worth, behind that sweet façade is something more sinister with a hint of mistrust, I admit to being a little bit bitter because it has opened a big can of worms and Nicola was probably right it wouldn't of happened on his watch because MoPo would still have Nicola his friend at the Club . . MoPo introduced a plan of pressing high up the pitch for Playing and the Team responded and we all admit it was a pleasure to watch, the fitness of the Players was evident but the plan is probably now on the Football agenda for other Managers, it can be copied and adapted throughout the English Football League but it also has to be combated not necessarily with pretty Football, it could mean that too much emphasise on keeping the Ball can lead to defeat if plan B hasn't been introduced quickly to switch to defend and counter attack, one example was Paul Lambert Manager of Aston Villa he had worked on a plan and they beat Southampton with sucker punches. It's now time for Southampton FC to move on and despite some criticism towards the Board if MoPo's mind was set for change they cannot stop it and I believe it was a parting assurance and pact between MoPo and Nicola in January,stay at St Marys until the end of the season in that time a job with a top Club will be available but do not tell anyone, not once did we hear MoPo say I will still be here next season to continue the progress with the mission I started with Nicola, after the last game he did say he wanted to have clarification for the future plans when he was already into it, oh how I feel I've been so gullible a sucker, I'm very annoyed because I didn't want to be disappointed so I too will move on for hopefully even more exciting Football and a top 6 finish next season and a season Ticket for the first time. Malcombe
  • Score: 2

10:08am Wed 28 May 14

pitbull says...

Just another thought,, perhaps it's been Levy and Spurs that have been played.
Great tactics if the board had made the players come out and say what a brilliant manager Pochettino was and how he made them better players. Levy read the comments and decided he was the man for him and the Saints bank several million.

OK, I'm letting my imagination run a bit wild now.
Just another thought,, perhaps it's been Levy and Spurs that have been played. Great tactics if the board had made the players come out and say what a brilliant manager Pochettino was and how he made them better players. Levy read the comments and decided he was the man for him and the Saints bank several million. OK, I'm letting my imagination run a bit wild now. pitbull
  • Score: 1

10:24am Wed 28 May 14

Alicesdad says...

Confucious wrote:
The Liebherr family have sunk a great deal of money into Saints - money which lifted us from minus 10 points in Div 1 to eighth in the Prem. Katherina has stepped in for Markus, become a fan - and has flown over from Switzerland to be at our matches. It seems to me that she cares about the club and about her Dad's legacy.

Would any other owner - or any one of us if we had the cash - give Nicola (a well paid employee with considerable self esteem) entirely unfettered control to spend tens of millions? And let's not forget, even then, Nicola WAS asked to stay and MoPo WAS offered a no doubt lucrative new contract to stay.

Nicola went and didn't help much recently when he gave a somewhat sniping and self-serving interview. As for MoPo - well he seems to have strung us along for some months and departed the minute he got the Spurs offer. Is that "The Southampton Way" you talked so much about Nicola and MoPo?

The fact is Nicola and Mopo have both bu*gered off and left us entirely of their own accord. Katherina is still here with the fans. We should trust her - she's earned that much. And look around - we could do so much worse!

I'm as disappointed and concerned as the next man, but if you ask me who has the most genuine heart in our club, the fans and the community - Katherina, Cortese or Pochettino? - well, it's the lady first.
I'm having a serious day today Confucious... and I agree with most of your post. We will never know if giving "unfettered control" to an employee would have worked because after four years of it working well it was stopped. I doubt if I would have give control over completely though so I take your point.

I suppose we have to accept and have faith in certain ideas, firstly that KL is truly here to stay, (no reason to think otherwise), and secondly that as a big club this sort of thing happens from time to time and your board steers you through it.

Nicola and MoPo have indeed left us of their own accord, and as a big club we fill those spaces prudently and wisely and we continue to grow as Krueger has said.

So we mustn't wallow, we must look forward. We were EIGHTH this season in the PREMIERSHIP. There will be changes, lets embrace those changes and be optimistic about the opportunities they might provide.


This thread today has been the most sensible and worthy thread I've seen in months. A good article and some really good posts. Obviously that can't last but I'm enjoying it today.
All the best.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: The Liebherr family have sunk a great deal of money into Saints - money which lifted us from minus 10 points in Div 1 to eighth in the Prem. Katherina has stepped in for Markus, become a fan - and has flown over from Switzerland to be at our matches. It seems to me that she cares about the club and about her Dad's legacy. Would any other owner - or any one of us if we had the cash - give Nicola (a well paid employee with considerable self esteem) entirely unfettered control to spend tens of millions? And let's not forget, even then, Nicola WAS asked to stay and MoPo WAS offered a no doubt lucrative new contract to stay. Nicola went and didn't help much recently when he gave a somewhat sniping and self-serving interview. As for MoPo - well he seems to have strung us along for some months and departed the minute he got the Spurs offer. Is that "The Southampton Way" you talked so much about Nicola and MoPo? The fact is Nicola and Mopo have both bu*gered off and left us entirely of their own accord. Katherina is still here with the fans. We should trust her - she's earned that much. And look around - we could do so much worse! I'm as disappointed and concerned as the next man, but if you ask me who has the most genuine heart in our club, the fans and the community - Katherina, Cortese or Pochettino? - well, it's the lady first.[/p][/quote]I'm having a serious day today Confucious... and I agree with most of your post. We will never know if giving "unfettered control" to an employee would have worked because after four years of it working well it was stopped. I doubt if I would have give control over completely though so I take your point. I suppose we have to accept and have faith in certain ideas, firstly that KL is truly here to stay, (no reason to think otherwise), and secondly that as a big club this sort of thing happens from time to time and your board steers you through it. Nicola and MoPo have indeed left us of their own accord, and as a big club we fill those spaces prudently and wisely and we continue to grow as Krueger has said. So we mustn't wallow, we must look forward. We were EIGHTH this season in the PREMIERSHIP. There will be changes, lets embrace those changes and be optimistic about the opportunities they might provide. This thread today has been the most sensible and worthy thread I've seen in months. A good article and some really good posts. Obviously that can't last but I'm enjoying it today. All the best. Alicesdad
  • Score: 7

10:45am Wed 28 May 14

lowe esteem says...

Roy Hodgson please. He can still do that other job with his backroom team.
Besides, he'll be on the production line anyway, where he's shown a lot more foresight and acumen that those other false and slimy demi-gods blessed with the purses of the oligarchs, sheiks and fat cats.
Roy Hodgson please. He can still do that other job with his backroom team. Besides, he'll be on the production line anyway, where he's shown a lot more foresight and acumen that those other false and slimy demi-gods blessed with the purses of the oligarchs, sheiks and fat cats. lowe esteem
  • Score: 3

10:47am Wed 28 May 14

right back in the bar says...

Costa Baz wrote:
When the manager said he wanted to wait until the summer, to discuss his contract, does anyone really think the board should have announced that they had already offered him a contract but he wasn't interested in looking at it, or signing it? REALLY?
You have a man, who has been very clever in manipulating the situation he wanted to create, and you wanted the board to announce to the whole world that he was ignoring a new contract?
All that would have done is alert everyone to the situation, and would have started this whole sad circus off even sooner.

Can anyone confirm, yet, that he would have had to sell the key players, in order to purchase new ones? All I've seen is media speculation.
Have we actually sold any key players, yet? No we haven't.

Just speculating, but maybe, just maybe, the new board didn't want MP to stay on, as he was Cortese's man, but didn't want to sack him?
Maybe it is MP who has been manipulated, into leaving, so that the new board can move on without the spectre of Cortese hanging over them, and a pay off in the bank?
It is easy to stand on the outside and tell the board what they should or should not have done, but without knowing the whole story, any advice will only be based on assumption and personal opinion based on those assumptions. To many on these threads are stating their assumptions and their opinions as facts, when they are not.

When Cortese refused to be drawn into making comments, or airing dirty linen in public, he was considered strong, for taking that stance.
When the new board take the same stance they are branded weak and naive.

Go figure.
If the board did want shot of MP then that is naïve on the basis that they thought they could still keep most of this squad together. What might have been 2 players leaving might now look like 5 or 6. Let me offer an alternative scenario: If it wasn't naïve then it was good business sense because the board can profit from offloading as many players as it likes and not look culpable because it is all down to MP's departure. Cynical yes - but the dreams and ambitions this club had have been quashed to nothing all in the interests of commerce - a case of same old same old.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: When the manager said he wanted to wait until the summer, to discuss his contract, does anyone really think the board should have announced that they had already offered him a contract but he wasn't interested in looking at it, or signing it? REALLY? You have a man, who has been very clever in manipulating the situation he wanted to create, and you wanted the board to announce to the whole world that he was ignoring a new contract? All that would have done is alert everyone to the situation, and would have started this whole sad circus off even sooner. Can anyone confirm, yet, that he would have had to sell the key players, in order to purchase new ones? All I've seen is media speculation. Have we actually sold any key players, yet? No we haven't. Just speculating, but maybe, just maybe, the new board didn't want MP to stay on, as he was Cortese's man, but didn't want to sack him? Maybe it is MP who has been manipulated, into leaving, so that the new board can move on without the spectre of Cortese hanging over them, and a pay off in the bank? It is easy to stand on the outside and tell the board what they should or should not have done, but without knowing the whole story, any advice will only be based on assumption and personal opinion based on those assumptions. To many on these threads are stating their assumptions and their opinions as facts, when they are not. When Cortese refused to be drawn into making comments, or airing dirty linen in public, he was considered strong, for taking that stance. When the new board take the same stance they are branded weak and naive. Go figure.[/p][/quote]If the board did want shot of MP then that is naïve on the basis that they thought they could still keep most of this squad together. What might have been 2 players leaving might now look like 5 or 6. Let me offer an alternative scenario: If it wasn't naïve then it was good business sense because the board can profit from offloading as many players as it likes and not look culpable because it is all down to MP's departure. Cynical yes - but the dreams and ambitions this club had have been quashed to nothing all in the interests of commerce - a case of same old same old. right back in the bar
  • Score: -2

10:47am Wed 28 May 14

lowe esteem says...

Confucious wrote:
The Liebherr family have sunk a great deal of money into Saints - money which lifted us from minus 10 points in Div 1 to eighth in the Prem. Katherina has stepped in for Markus, become a fan - and has flown over from Switzerland to be at our matches. It seems to me that she cares about the club and about her Dad's legacy.

Would any other owner - or any one of us if we had the cash - give Nicola (a well paid employee with considerable self esteem) entirely unfettered control to spend tens of millions? And let's not forget, even then, Nicola WAS asked to stay and MoPo WAS offered a no doubt lucrative new contract to stay.

Nicola went and didn't help much recently when he gave a somewhat sniping and self-serving interview. As for MoPo - well he seems to have strung us along for some months and departed the minute he got the Spurs offer. Is that "The Southampton Way" you talked so much about Nicola and MoPo?

The fact is Nicola and Mopo have both bu*gered off and left us entirely of their own accord. Katherina is still here with the fans. We should trust her - she's earned that much. And look around - we could do so much worse!

I'm as disappointed and concerned as the next man, but if you ask me who has the most genuine heart in our club, the fans and the community - Katherina, Cortese or Pochettino? - well, it's the lady first.
What he said -this time.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: The Liebherr family have sunk a great deal of money into Saints - money which lifted us from minus 10 points in Div 1 to eighth in the Prem. Katherina has stepped in for Markus, become a fan - and has flown over from Switzerland to be at our matches. It seems to me that she cares about the club and about her Dad's legacy. Would any other owner - or any one of us if we had the cash - give Nicola (a well paid employee with considerable self esteem) entirely unfettered control to spend tens of millions? And let's not forget, even then, Nicola WAS asked to stay and MoPo WAS offered a no doubt lucrative new contract to stay. Nicola went and didn't help much recently when he gave a somewhat sniping and self-serving interview. As for MoPo - well he seems to have strung us along for some months and departed the minute he got the Spurs offer. Is that "The Southampton Way" you talked so much about Nicola and MoPo? The fact is Nicola and Mopo have both bu*gered off and left us entirely of their own accord. Katherina is still here with the fans. We should trust her - she's earned that much. And look around - we could do so much worse! I'm as disappointed and concerned as the next man, but if you ask me who has the most genuine heart in our club, the fans and the community - Katherina, Cortese or Pochettino? - well, it's the lady first.[/p][/quote]What he said -this time. lowe esteem
  • Score: 0

10:57am Wed 28 May 14

lowe esteem says...

Transparency.

Daily Echo: Have you tried to contact (via ALL media modes) Katharina, Ralph or Les? If the answer's yes, then try again, and keep trying, say it's on behalf of the fan base, they'll know what that is.

You could ask Adam Blackmore (Radio Solent) for tips in this respect, as he has made some inroads, or perhaps negotiate a joint 'assault'. Above all, DO SOMETHING, stop sitting on your hands, and fuelling the on-going speculation, there's enough of us doing that already. FFS.

Lastly, tell us all the painstaking efforts you have gone to, this may -at last- make interesting reading.

Saints Forever, that's why.
Transparency. Daily Echo: Have you tried to contact (via ALL media modes) Katharina, Ralph or Les? If the answer's yes, then try again, and keep trying, say it's on behalf of the fan base, they'll know what that is. You could ask Adam Blackmore (Radio Solent) for tips in this respect, as he has made some inroads, or perhaps negotiate a joint 'assault'. Above all, DO SOMETHING, stop sitting on your hands, and fuelling the on-going speculation, there's enough of us doing that already. FFS. Lastly, tell us all the painstaking efforts you have gone to, this may -at last- make interesting reading. Saints Forever, that's why. lowe esteem
  • Score: 2

11:11am Wed 28 May 14

NewForestStu says...

Well amidst all the typical furore surrounding my beloved club have just been watching Premier League 1998/1999 on Skysports. Just seen a clip of Paul Jones flapping at a Liverpool cross at the Dell...to which they subsequently scored....them waz the days...excitement and watching the useless Mr Jones who could not kick or collect crosses but was a quality shot stopper. Ah how i miss the Dell.

Still back to the present....have i missed anything lately?!?
Well amidst all the typical furore surrounding my beloved club have just been watching Premier League 1998/1999 on Skysports. Just seen a clip of Paul Jones flapping at a Liverpool cross at the Dell...to which they subsequently scored....them waz the days...excitement and watching the useless Mr Jones who could not kick or collect crosses but was a quality shot stopper. Ah how i miss the Dell. Still back to the present....have i missed anything lately?!? NewForestStu
  • Score: 0

11:14am Wed 28 May 14

warrens 76 says...

What chance NC and consortium in the wings?
He implied that something interesting wAs around the corner, suppose KL disposes of certain assets, Poch moves on and NC restarts project, he was not best pleased with the money wasted on Osvaldo nor our sudden drift at the time he went.....
Just a thought as nothing else makes any sense.
What chance NC and consortium in the wings? He implied that something interesting wAs around the corner, suppose KL disposes of certain assets, Poch moves on and NC restarts project, he was not best pleased with the money wasted on Osvaldo nor our sudden drift at the time he went..... Just a thought as nothing else makes any sense. warrens 76
  • Score: -2

11:20am Wed 28 May 14

Positively4thStreet says...

warrens 76 wrote:
What chance NC and consortium in the wings?
He implied that something interesting wAs around the corner, suppose KL disposes of certain assets, Poch moves on and NC restarts project, he was not best pleased with the money wasted on Osvaldo nor our sudden drift at the time he went.....
Just a thought as nothing else makes any sense.
This whole sorry saga,may just be all part of Nicola's "glint in the eye-knowing smile" master plan.
Let's hope so.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: What chance NC and consortium in the wings? He implied that something interesting wAs around the corner, suppose KL disposes of certain assets, Poch moves on and NC restarts project, he was not best pleased with the money wasted on Osvaldo nor our sudden drift at the time he went..... Just a thought as nothing else makes any sense.[/p][/quote]This whole sorry saga,may just be all part of Nicola's "glint in the eye-knowing smile" master plan. Let's hope so. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -1

11:27am Wed 28 May 14

NewForestStu says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
What chance NC and consortium in the wings?
He implied that something interesting wAs around the corner, suppose KL disposes of certain assets, Poch moves on and NC restarts project, he was not best pleased with the money wasted on Osvaldo nor our sudden drift at the time he went.....
Just a thought as nothing else makes any sense.
This whole sorry saga,may just be all part of Nicola's "glint in the eye-knowing smile" master plan.
Let's hope so.
The only thing to counter this was the rumour that 'categorically' KL would never sell the club to the Don. We can live in hope though.
Whilst we cannot hold onto anyone that wants to leave (and shouldnt, pointeless), the so called periid of transparency has been a joke. Personally i am of the opinion we now have a board in place that are at least now extremely naive. We should never have come out and mentioned balancing the books or the like. Sheer stupidity.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: What chance NC and consortium in the wings? He implied that something interesting wAs around the corner, suppose KL disposes of certain assets, Poch moves on and NC restarts project, he was not best pleased with the money wasted on Osvaldo nor our sudden drift at the time he went..... Just a thought as nothing else makes any sense.[/p][/quote]This whole sorry saga,may just be all part of Nicola's "glint in the eye-knowing smile" master plan. Let's hope so.[/p][/quote]The only thing to counter this was the rumour that 'categorically' KL would never sell the club to the Don. We can live in hope though. Whilst we cannot hold onto anyone that wants to leave (and shouldnt, pointeless), the so called periid of transparency has been a joke. Personally i am of the opinion we now have a board in place that are at least now extremely naive. We should never have come out and mentioned balancing the books or the like. Sheer stupidity. NewForestStu
  • Score: 2

11:28am Wed 28 May 14

lionheart says...

montecristosaint wrote:
Sadly I think that much of what has happened is due to one central theme that Krueger emphasized when he was appointed, that Saints had to live within its means. Which taken literally means that we have to clear our debts , pay increased wages, before being able to spend a single penny in the transfer market. This was hardly a scenario that Poch would have been interested in , particularly as the Board s solution for finding money to buy new players lay in selling Shaw and probably Lallana. Those two would in any event be probably impossible to replace like for like. I identified Krueger and Reed as a couple of yes men the day they were announced to the fans as appointees. They are inexperienced and unsuited to the roles they have been nominated. A further clue is Saints refusal to appoint the former Blackburn CEO Thompson to the job of CEO at Saints. A Saints fan, he would have prevented this situation from happening.As indeed I would! If you have no corporate or administration experience , have never run a business there is no way you should be considered for such posts. In conclusion, I m afraid the real culprit in all of this is Katarina Liebherr. She made completely the wrong appointments, because she was over concerned in her German fixation with accountability. She had been given the run around by Cortese and was determined that this would not happen again at Saints. And because of it she got things hopelessly wrong. I dont know what corporate experience she has, but it strikes me that she doesnt have too much savvy, she seems way out of her depth and has been played for a fish by Pochettino. If I were her, I would be reviewing my own performance this morning and wondering what to do to prevent disaster from striking. A grovelling apology to Cortese may seem a little far fetched, there are egos involved, but it would from Southampton s point of view be no bad thing. The rot would stop immediately if he came back. But as this is probably unlikely she could do worse than if she realized her mistakes, sacked Krueger and Reed, and brought in Thompson to steady the ship. We then might stand a chance of averting a fire sale this summer and of rercruiting a top manager to take over from Pochettino. because lets face it, if anybody thinks the basic problem will simply go away they are much mistaken. A top manager will require an acceptable transfer budget, and that too in view of Saints current commitments will require careful planning, The likes of Yakin or Koeman will not come to Saints without due and acceptable attention being paid to the transfer budget, and it was the perceived lack of attention to this that caused Pochettino to leave, not the size of his wage packet..Saints,ie Reed and Krueger obviously thought all they had to do was offer Poch a bigger salary than Spurs and the proceeds of the sale of Shaw and Lallana for Poch to stay but that was never the case. Managers want to win things as do players. and those two gentlemen,out of their desire to please their boss, got this hopelessly wrong. I , for one, realizing all of this, look forward to the summer with a sense of foreboding, as it will take a high degree of introspection for Liebherr to put things right and somehow I feel her injured pride, after her two prized management assets have walked away, will not allow her to do so. Lets hope I am wrong.
Well said. You're spot on with your comments.
[quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: Sadly I think that much of what has happened is due to one central theme that Krueger emphasized when he was appointed, that Saints had to live within its means. Which taken literally means that we have to clear our debts , pay increased wages, before being able to spend a single penny in the transfer market. This was hardly a scenario that Poch would have been interested in , particularly as the Board s solution for finding money to buy new players lay in selling Shaw and probably Lallana. Those two would in any event be probably impossible to replace like for like. I identified Krueger and Reed as a couple of yes men the day they were announced to the fans as appointees. They are inexperienced and unsuited to the roles they have been nominated. A further clue is Saints refusal to appoint the former Blackburn CEO Thompson to the job of CEO at Saints. A Saints fan, he would have prevented this situation from happening.As indeed I would! If you have no corporate or administration experience , have never run a business there is no way you should be considered for such posts. In conclusion, I m afraid the real culprit in all of this is Katarina Liebherr. She made completely the wrong appointments, because she was over concerned in her German fixation with accountability. She had been given the run around by Cortese and was determined that this would not happen again at Saints. And because of it she got things hopelessly wrong. I dont know what corporate experience she has, but it strikes me that she doesnt have too much savvy, she seems way out of her depth and has been played for a fish by Pochettino. If I were her, I would be reviewing my own performance this morning and wondering what to do to prevent disaster from striking. A grovelling apology to Cortese may seem a little far fetched, there are egos involved, but it would from Southampton s point of view be no bad thing. The rot would stop immediately if he came back. But as this is probably unlikely she could do worse than if she realized her mistakes, sacked Krueger and Reed, and brought in Thompson to steady the ship. We then might stand a chance of averting a fire sale this summer and of rercruiting a top manager to take over from Pochettino. because lets face it, if anybody thinks the basic problem will simply go away they are much mistaken. A top manager will require an acceptable transfer budget, and that too in view of Saints current commitments will require careful planning, The likes of Yakin or Koeman will not come to Saints without due and acceptable attention being paid to the transfer budget, and it was the perceived lack of attention to this that caused Pochettino to leave, not the size of his wage packet..Saints,ie Reed and Krueger obviously thought all they had to do was offer Poch a bigger salary than Spurs and the proceeds of the sale of Shaw and Lallana for Poch to stay but that was never the case. Managers want to win things as do players. and those two gentlemen,out of their desire to please their boss, got this hopelessly wrong. I , for one, realizing all of this, look forward to the summer with a sense of foreboding, as it will take a high degree of introspection for Liebherr to put things right and somehow I feel her injured pride, after her two prized management assets have walked away, will not allow her to do so. Lets hope I am wrong.[/p][/quote]Well said. You're spot on with your comments. lionheart
  • Score: -1

11:40am Wed 28 May 14

Positively4thStreet says...

NewForestStu wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
What chance NC and consortium in the wings?
He implied that something interesting wAs around the corner, suppose KL disposes of certain assets, Poch moves on and NC restarts project, he was not best pleased with the money wasted on Osvaldo nor our sudden drift at the time he went.....
Just a thought as nothing else makes any sense.
This whole sorry saga,may just be all part of Nicola's "glint in the eye-knowing smile" master plan.
Let's hope so.
The only thing to counter this was the rumour that 'categorically' KL would never sell the club to the Don. We can live in hope though.
Whilst we cannot hold onto anyone that wants to leave (and shouldnt, pointeless), the so called periid of transparency has been a joke. Personally i am of the opinion we now have a board in place that are at least now extremely naive. We should never have come out and mentioned balancing the books or the like. Sheer stupidity.
Well,if the Don were to come back in fairly soon,it still wouldn't be too late for him to shake things up,and save the day.He would be the only person with a strong enough will to do it,otherwise the future is wishy washy.
[quote][p][bold]NewForestStu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: What chance NC and consortium in the wings? He implied that something interesting wAs around the corner, suppose KL disposes of certain assets, Poch moves on and NC restarts project, he was not best pleased with the money wasted on Osvaldo nor our sudden drift at the time he went..... Just a thought as nothing else makes any sense.[/p][/quote]This whole sorry saga,may just be all part of Nicola's "glint in the eye-knowing smile" master plan. Let's hope so.[/p][/quote]The only thing to counter this was the rumour that 'categorically' KL would never sell the club to the Don. We can live in hope though. Whilst we cannot hold onto anyone that wants to leave (and shouldnt, pointeless), the so called periid of transparency has been a joke. Personally i am of the opinion we now have a board in place that are at least now extremely naive. We should never have come out and mentioned balancing the books or the like. Sheer stupidity.[/p][/quote]Well,if the Don were to come back in fairly soon,it still wouldn't be too late for him to shake things up,and save the day.He would be the only person with a strong enough will to do it,otherwise the future is wishy washy. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -1

11:52am Wed 28 May 14

Tizz says...

montecristosaint wrote:
Sadly I think that much of what has happened is due to one central theme that Krueger emphasized when he was appointed, that Saints had to live within its means. Which taken literally means that we have to clear our debts , pay increased wages, before being able to spend a single penny in the transfer market. This was hardly a scenario that Poch would have been interested in , particularly as the Board s solution for finding money to buy new players lay in selling Shaw and probably Lallana. Those two would in any event be probably impossible to replace like for like. I identified Krueger and Reed as a couple of yes men the day they were announced to the fans as appointees. They are inexperienced and unsuited to the roles they have been nominated. A further clue is Saints refusal to appoint the former Blackburn CEO Thompson to the job of CEO at Saints. A Saints fan, he would have prevented this situation from happening.As indeed I would! If you have no corporate or administration experience , have never run a business there is no way you should be considered for such posts. In conclusion, I m afraid the real culprit in all of this is Katarina Liebherr. She made completely the wrong appointments, because she was over concerned in her German fixation with accountability. She had been given the run around by Cortese and was determined that this would not happen again at Saints. And because of it she got things hopelessly wrong. I dont know what corporate experience she has, but it strikes me that she doesnt have too much savvy, she seems way out of her depth and has been played for a fish by Pochettino. If I were her, I would be reviewing my own performance this morning and wondering what to do to prevent disaster from striking. A grovelling apology to Cortese may seem a little far fetched, there are egos involved, but it would from Southampton s point of view be no bad thing. The rot would stop immediately if he came back. But as this is probably unlikely she could do worse than if she realized her mistakes, sacked Krueger and Reed, and brought in Thompson to steady the ship. We then might stand a chance of averting a fire sale this summer and of rercruiting a top manager to take over from Pochettino. because lets face it, if anybody thinks the basic problem will simply go away they are much mistaken. A top manager will require an acceptable transfer budget, and that too in view of Saints current commitments will require careful planning, The likes of Yakin or Koeman will not come to Saints without due and acceptable attention being paid to the transfer budget, and it was the perceived lack of attention to this that caused Pochettino to leave, not the size of his wage packet..Saints,ie Reed and Krueger obviously thought all they had to do was offer Poch a bigger salary than Spurs and the proceeds of the sale of Shaw and Lallana for Poch to stay but that was never the case. Managers want to win things as do players. and those two gentlemen,out of their desire to please their boss, got this hopelessly wrong. I , for one, realizing all of this, look forward to the summer with a sense of foreboding, as it will take a high degree of introspection for Liebherr to put things right and somehow I feel her injured pride, after her two prized management assets have walked away, will not allow her to do so. Lets hope I am wrong.
Cortese appointed Les Reed in 2010
[quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: Sadly I think that much of what has happened is due to one central theme that Krueger emphasized when he was appointed, that Saints had to live within its means. Which taken literally means that we have to clear our debts , pay increased wages, before being able to spend a single penny in the transfer market. This was hardly a scenario that Poch would have been interested in , particularly as the Board s solution for finding money to buy new players lay in selling Shaw and probably Lallana. Those two would in any event be probably impossible to replace like for like. I identified Krueger and Reed as a couple of yes men the day they were announced to the fans as appointees. They are inexperienced and unsuited to the roles they have been nominated. A further clue is Saints refusal to appoint the former Blackburn CEO Thompson to the job of CEO at Saints. A Saints fan, he would have prevented this situation from happening.As indeed I would! If you have no corporate or administration experience , have never run a business there is no way you should be considered for such posts. In conclusion, I m afraid the real culprit in all of this is Katarina Liebherr. She made completely the wrong appointments, because she was over concerned in her German fixation with accountability. She had been given the run around by Cortese and was determined that this would not happen again at Saints. And because of it she got things hopelessly wrong. I dont know what corporate experience she has, but it strikes me that she doesnt have too much savvy, she seems way out of her depth and has been played for a fish by Pochettino. If I were her, I would be reviewing my own performance this morning and wondering what to do to prevent disaster from striking. A grovelling apology to Cortese may seem a little far fetched, there are egos involved, but it would from Southampton s point of view be no bad thing. The rot would stop immediately if he came back. But as this is probably unlikely she could do worse than if she realized her mistakes, sacked Krueger and Reed, and brought in Thompson to steady the ship. We then might stand a chance of averting a fire sale this summer and of rercruiting a top manager to take over from Pochettino. because lets face it, if anybody thinks the basic problem will simply go away they are much mistaken. A top manager will require an acceptable transfer budget, and that too in view of Saints current commitments will require careful planning, The likes of Yakin or Koeman will not come to Saints without due and acceptable attention being paid to the transfer budget, and it was the perceived lack of attention to this that caused Pochettino to leave, not the size of his wage packet..Saints,ie Reed and Krueger obviously thought all they had to do was offer Poch a bigger salary than Spurs and the proceeds of the sale of Shaw and Lallana for Poch to stay but that was never the case. Managers want to win things as do players. and those two gentlemen,out of their desire to please their boss, got this hopelessly wrong. I , for one, realizing all of this, look forward to the summer with a sense of foreboding, as it will take a high degree of introspection for Liebherr to put things right and somehow I feel her injured pride, after her two prized management assets have walked away, will not allow her to do so. Lets hope I am wrong.[/p][/quote]Cortese appointed Les Reed in 2010 Tizz
  • Score: 0

11:56am Wed 28 May 14

Brownowl says...

I think criticism of the Board is unjustified. Pocc never gave any hint of commitment to the Club and whatever we offered would not have been acceptable. He was after a more "prestigious" club to enhance his career progress. Saints do not have the resources to compete with those top clubs - that's the reality. Pocc definitely improved some players and now those player have raised expectations - only "Champions League" will do. If the players get an offer that matches those expectations then frankly there will be little the Board can do to stop them. What they can do is get the best fee possible and invest in new players and bring them on along with our youth players. The key decisive action is to choose a high calibre manager who brings similar skills to Pocc which may encourage some players to stay. If the new manager turns out to be successful though we can expect a repeat of our current situation - that's how the premier league food chain works!
I think criticism of the Board is unjustified. Pocc never gave any hint of commitment to the Club and whatever we offered would not have been acceptable. He was after a more "prestigious" club to enhance his career progress. Saints do not have the resources to compete with those top clubs - that's the reality. Pocc definitely improved some players and now those player have raised expectations - only "Champions League" will do. If the players get an offer that matches those expectations then frankly there will be little the Board can do to stop them. What they can do is get the best fee possible and invest in new players and bring them on along with our youth players. The key decisive action is to choose a high calibre manager who brings similar skills to Pocc which may encourage some players to stay. If the new manager turns out to be successful though we can expect a repeat of our current situation - that's how the premier league food chain works! Brownowl
  • Score: 1

12:06pm Wed 28 May 14

Malcombe says...

pitbull
I think you have a valued point, Levy is so cocky he seen it and wants it like he has with all the Managers he's hired and fired and you me and everyone who follows Football know when a Carrot is dangled with much more on it Managers and Players will bite, we can't blame them especially Players who's working life often ends in there middle 30s but with the massive wages they get any Player in the Premiership should become a Millionaire when they get £25000 a week from a young age, often there Salary increases depending on there ability and becoming world class possibly until they are in there mid 30s if they go broke (David James comes to mind) they only have themselves to blame and nobody will sympathise. What a menace that large Tesco advert has become, very infuriating.
pitbull I think you have a valued point, Levy is so cocky he seen it and wants it like he has with all the Managers he's hired and fired and you me and everyone who follows Football know when a Carrot is dangled with much more on it Managers and Players will bite, we can't blame them especially Players who's working life often ends in there middle 30s but with the massive wages they get any Player in the Premiership should become a Millionaire when they get £25000 a week from a young age, often there Salary increases depending on there ability and becoming world class possibly until they are in there mid 30s if they go broke (David James comes to mind) they only have themselves to blame and nobody will sympathise. What a menace that large Tesco advert has become, very infuriating. Malcombe
  • Score: 0

12:07pm Wed 28 May 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Brownowl wrote:
I think criticism of the Board is unjustified. Pocc never gave any hint of commitment to the Club and whatever we offered would not have been acceptable. He was after a more "prestigious" club to enhance his career progress. Saints do not have the resources to compete with those top clubs - that's the reality. Pocc definitely improved some players and now those player have raised expectations - only "Champions League" will do. If the players get an offer that matches those expectations then frankly there will be little the Board can do to stop them. What they can do is get the best fee possible and invest in new players and bring them on along with our youth players. The key decisive action is to choose a high calibre manager who brings similar skills to Pocc which may encourage some players to stay. If the new manager turns out to be successful though we can expect a repeat of our current situation - that's how the premier league food chain works!
Exactly.Which is why any new manager,is going to have to be the sort of person who can achieve results,by motivating any group of players he has at his disposal,and working within any financial constraints imposed upon him.
It can be done.
[quote][p][bold]Brownowl[/bold] wrote: I think criticism of the Board is unjustified. Pocc never gave any hint of commitment to the Club and whatever we offered would not have been acceptable. He was after a more "prestigious" club to enhance his career progress. Saints do not have the resources to compete with those top clubs - that's the reality. Pocc definitely improved some players and now those player have raised expectations - only "Champions League" will do. If the players get an offer that matches those expectations then frankly there will be little the Board can do to stop them. What they can do is get the best fee possible and invest in new players and bring them on along with our youth players. The key decisive action is to choose a high calibre manager who brings similar skills to Pocc which may encourage some players to stay. If the new manager turns out to be successful though we can expect a repeat of our current situation - that's how the premier league food chain works![/p][/quote]Exactly.Which is why any new manager,is going to have to be the sort of person who can achieve results,by motivating any group of players he has at his disposal,and working within any financial constraints imposed upon him. It can be done. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 1

12:14pm Wed 28 May 14

jls217 says...

montecristosaint wrote:
Sadly I think that much of what has happened is due to one central theme that Krueger emphasized when he was appointed, that Saints had to live within its means. Which taken literally means that we have to clear our debts , pay increased wages, before being able to spend a single penny in the transfer market. This was hardly a scenario that Poch would have been interested in , particularly as the Board s solution for finding money to buy new players lay in selling Shaw and probably Lallana. Those two would in any event be probably impossible to replace like for like. I identified Krueger and Reed as a couple of yes men the day they were announced to the fans as appointees. They are inexperienced and unsuited to the roles they have been nominated. A further clue is Saints refusal to appoint the former Blackburn CEO Thompson to the job of CEO at Saints. A Saints fan, he would have prevented this situation from happening.As indeed I would! If you have no corporate or administration experience , have never run a business there is no way you should be considered for such posts. In conclusion, I m afraid the real culprit in all of this is Katarina Liebherr. She made completely the wrong appointments, because she was over concerned in her German fixation with accountability. She had been given the run around by Cortese and was determined that this would not happen again at Saints. And because of it she got things hopelessly wrong. I dont know what corporate experience she has, but it strikes me that she doesnt have too much savvy, she seems way out of her depth and has been played for a fish by Pochettino. If I were her, I would be reviewing my own performance this morning and wondering what to do to prevent disaster from striking. A grovelling apology to Cortese may seem a little far fetched, there are egos involved, but it would from Southampton s point of view be no bad thing. The rot would stop immediately if he came back. But as this is probably unlikely she could do worse than if she realized her mistakes, sacked Krueger and Reed, and brought in Thompson to steady the ship. We then might stand a chance of averting a fire sale this summer and of rercruiting a top manager to take over from Pochettino. because lets face it, if anybody thinks the basic problem will simply go away they are much mistaken. A top manager will require an acceptable transfer budget, and that too in view of Saints current commitments will require careful planning, The likes of Yakin or Koeman will not come to Saints without due and acceptable attention being paid to the transfer budget, and it was the perceived lack of attention to this that caused Pochettino to leave, not the size of his wage packet..Saints,ie Reed and Krueger obviously thought all they had to do was offer Poch a bigger salary than Spurs and the proceeds of the sale of Shaw and Lallana for Poch to stay but that was never the case. Managers want to win things as do players. and those two gentlemen,out of their desire to please their boss, got this hopelessly wrong. I , for one, realizing all of this, look forward to the summer with a sense of foreboding, as it will take a high degree of introspection for Liebherr to put things right and somehow I feel her injured pride, after her two prized management assets have walked away, will not allow her to do so. Lets hope I am wrong.
Thoughtful and intriguing post - thanks. Real food for thought in amongst that
and put across in a manner which has me scratching my cranium and considering the current state of play. Just a little more confused now than when I woke up but for all the right reasons as there are elements in this post to which I had given little or no thought. Thanks again
.
Next season will still be the best ever.
[quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: Sadly I think that much of what has happened is due to one central theme that Krueger emphasized when he was appointed, that Saints had to live within its means. Which taken literally means that we have to clear our debts , pay increased wages, before being able to spend a single penny in the transfer market. This was hardly a scenario that Poch would have been interested in , particularly as the Board s solution for finding money to buy new players lay in selling Shaw and probably Lallana. Those two would in any event be probably impossible to replace like for like. I identified Krueger and Reed as a couple of yes men the day they were announced to the fans as appointees. They are inexperienced and unsuited to the roles they have been nominated. A further clue is Saints refusal to appoint the former Blackburn CEO Thompson to the job of CEO at Saints. A Saints fan, he would have prevented this situation from happening.As indeed I would! If you have no corporate or administration experience , have never run a business there is no way you should be considered for such posts. In conclusion, I m afraid the real culprit in all of this is Katarina Liebherr. She made completely the wrong appointments, because she was over concerned in her German fixation with accountability. She had been given the run around by Cortese and was determined that this would not happen again at Saints. And because of it she got things hopelessly wrong. I dont know what corporate experience she has, but it strikes me that she doesnt have too much savvy, she seems way out of her depth and has been played for a fish by Pochettino. If I were her, I would be reviewing my own performance this morning and wondering what to do to prevent disaster from striking. A grovelling apology to Cortese may seem a little far fetched, there are egos involved, but it would from Southampton s point of view be no bad thing. The rot would stop immediately if he came back. But as this is probably unlikely she could do worse than if she realized her mistakes, sacked Krueger and Reed, and brought in Thompson to steady the ship. We then might stand a chance of averting a fire sale this summer and of rercruiting a top manager to take over from Pochettino. because lets face it, if anybody thinks the basic problem will simply go away they are much mistaken. A top manager will require an acceptable transfer budget, and that too in view of Saints current commitments will require careful planning, The likes of Yakin or Koeman will not come to Saints without due and acceptable attention being paid to the transfer budget, and it was the perceived lack of attention to this that caused Pochettino to leave, not the size of his wage packet..Saints,ie Reed and Krueger obviously thought all they had to do was offer Poch a bigger salary than Spurs and the proceeds of the sale of Shaw and Lallana for Poch to stay but that was never the case. Managers want to win things as do players. and those two gentlemen,out of their desire to please their boss, got this hopelessly wrong. I , for one, realizing all of this, look forward to the summer with a sense of foreboding, as it will take a high degree of introspection for Liebherr to put things right and somehow I feel her injured pride, after her two prized management assets have walked away, will not allow her to do so. Lets hope I am wrong.[/p][/quote]Thoughtful and intriguing post - thanks. Real food for thought in amongst that and put across in a manner which has me scratching my cranium and considering the current state of play. Just a little more confused now than when I woke up but for all the right reasons as there are elements in this post to which I had given little or no thought. Thanks again . Next season will still be the best ever. jls217
  • Score: -1

12:21pm Wed 28 May 14

jls217 says...

Alicesdad wrote:
OK I admit it. This article sums up the position perfectly.

From the moment that Cortese left, Pochetinno was gone, it was just a ticking bomb.

The same applies to Lallana and Shaw. They are going, we all know that. But we try to hang on to the hope that they may stay. We do that because we love this team... and love is blind.

It is absolutely correct that the feeble press statements we have seen are doing nothing but filling in space while we await actions and facts.

We need to :

- Get a profile manager, someone with a track record and someone we can believe in.
- Try to stop a mass exodus of players.
- Make some good core signings to replace those that leave. They need to be convincing signings, not bargain basement filler. They will be expensive.

The board also needs to sort out its profile and communications strategy.
I always bought into Cortese's wall of silence. You knew he wasn't hiding, he just didnt want to say anything unless it was worthwhile. Top man.

I think Krueger is facing some uncertainty, that never happened with Cortese. He had a vision, when he spoke it was worth listening to. I think Krueger may be the right man for this job, but he needs some time and must learn that any sense of wavering is unacceptable. Make a statement by all means but put some meaning in it, not off the shelf platitudes and comic strip cliches.

Les Reed ?? I have no idea !! Is he worth his spot at the club.? I don't know. I cannot see a specific example of a truly succesful imprint though. There's too much left over from the Cortese days that had its own momentum. I wan to see what Reed delivers and I'm not sure about that just yet. I'm waiting for something that says, "thank goodness Reed did that" or makes you think "yup that was a shrewd move"... Im waiting patiently !

Gareth Rogers ? Who? I had genuinely forgotten he existed until this article appeared. . No doubt behind the closed doors he's a powerhouse of executive decision and dynamism. But there is no public awareness and certainly no element of "persona" or gravitas.

The owners will now face a tricky time. I hope Katharina has a real feeling for the club, and invests in the club emotionally as well as financially.

So well done Echo, I take my hat off to you. No other article today is going to top this one for saying it like it is. The fans are now going to wait and chew the cud about the next manager. I hope the decision is relatively soon but I'd rather they chose well than quickly.

Under Cortese we just knew that he made mostly good moves, not always -but mostly. We knew we wouldn't be messed around.

We need to get that feeling back.
Wow - Glad I clicked on this morning. Another great post. Like your train of thought. Leaves me with the notion that all of them are just too bland, too grey and too anonymous but IF they can prove over the next twelve months they can be dynamic, forward thinking, efficient, flexible and considerate of fans needs - then I for one can forgive the grey men in the suits.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: OK I admit it. This article sums up the position perfectly. From the moment that Cortese left, Pochetinno was gone, it was just a ticking bomb. The same applies to Lallana and Shaw. They are going, we all know that. But we try to hang on to the hope that they may stay. We do that because we love this team... and love is blind. It is absolutely correct that the feeble press statements we have seen are doing nothing but filling in space while we await actions and facts. We need to : - Get a profile manager, someone with a track record and someone we can believe in. - Try to stop a mass exodus of players. - Make some good core signings to replace those that leave. They need to be convincing signings, not bargain basement filler. They will be expensive. The board also needs to sort out its profile and communications strategy. I always bought into Cortese's wall of silence. You knew he wasn't hiding, he just didnt want to say anything unless it was worthwhile. Top man. I think Krueger is facing some uncertainty, that never happened with Cortese. He had a vision, when he spoke it was worth listening to. I think Krueger may be the right man for this job, but he needs some time and must learn that any sense of wavering is unacceptable. Make a statement by all means but put some meaning in it, not off the shelf platitudes and comic strip cliches. Les Reed ?? I have no idea !! Is he worth his spot at the club.? I don't know. I cannot see a specific example of a truly succesful imprint though. There's too much left over from the Cortese days that had its own momentum. I wan to see what Reed delivers and I'm not sure about that just yet. I'm waiting for something that says, "thank goodness Reed did that" or makes you think "yup that was a shrewd move"... Im waiting patiently ! Gareth Rogers ? Who? I had genuinely forgotten he existed until this article appeared. . No doubt behind the closed doors he's a powerhouse of executive decision and dynamism. But there is no public awareness and certainly no element of "persona" or gravitas. The owners will now face a tricky time. I hope Katharina has a real feeling for the club, and invests in the club emotionally as well as financially. So well done Echo, I take my hat off to you. No other article today is going to top this one for saying it like it is. The fans are now going to wait and chew the cud about the next manager. I hope the decision is relatively soon but I'd rather they chose well than quickly. Under Cortese we just knew that he made mostly good moves, not always -but mostly. We knew we wouldn't be messed around. We need to get that feeling back.[/p][/quote]Wow - Glad I clicked on this morning. Another great post. Like your train of thought. Leaves me with the notion that all of them are just too bland, too grey and too anonymous but IF they can prove over the next twelve months they can be dynamic, forward thinking, efficient, flexible and considerate of fans needs - then I for one can forgive the grey men in the suits. jls217
  • Score: 0

12:52pm Wed 28 May 14

fritzer says...

martin van tuyl wrote:
Cortese was not everyone's cup of tea but his departure can now be seen for what it is. Cortese was ambitious, maybe too much so, but the new board did not share his outlook. Les Reed's patronising "no fire sale" statement ignored reality and Premiership reality. Of course players will leave once they are offered a huge wage increase somewhere else. The longer ther board ignore us fans and refuse to make a statement of intent, the more their competence and sincerity will be questioned.
Well said Martin!!
[quote][p][bold]martin van tuyl[/bold] wrote: Cortese was not everyone's cup of tea but his departure can now be seen for what it is. Cortese was ambitious, maybe too much so, but the new board did not share his outlook. Les Reed's patronising "no fire sale" statement ignored reality and Premiership reality. Of course players will leave once they are offered a huge wage increase somewhere else. The longer ther board ignore us fans and refuse to make a statement of intent, the more their competence and sincerity will be questioned.[/p][/quote]Well said Martin!! fritzer
  • Score: 0

12:58pm Wed 28 May 14

Alicesdad says...

Montecristosaint says "Lets hope I am wrong".
You are.

I am/was a huge fan of Cortese and his methods but coming back is not an option. Cortese was allowed to play with Marcus's money with his full permission, not everyone is so trusting. Katharina probably worried that without her Dad around Cortese probably had just a little too much say so with her money. I don't think she has a "German fixation with accountability" - in fact that fixation is far more American than German.

Either way she wants a club with proper governance with a Board advising her, not an individual. I would be the same - I would also love to be a billionaire just so I could show you !!

Step back a bit and let the situation play out ... the Board now have the spotlight on them, let's see what they can do.
Montecristosaint says "Lets hope I am wrong". You are. I am/was a huge fan of Cortese and his methods but coming back is not an option. Cortese was allowed to play with Marcus's money with his full permission, not everyone is so trusting. Katharina probably worried that without her Dad around Cortese probably had just a little too much say so with her money. I don't think she has a "German fixation with accountability" - in fact that fixation is far more American than German. Either way she wants a club with proper governance with a Board advising her, not an individual. I would be the same - I would also love to be a billionaire just so I could show you !! Step back a bit and let the situation play out ... the Board now have the spotlight on them, let's see what they can do. Alicesdad
  • Score: 4

1:38pm Wed 28 May 14

boilerman says...

I think MP could have done the decent thing and resigned the day after we played Man U.
It is pretty obvious he never had any intentions of staying so by not resigning sooner he has strung the club along and aloud the uncertainty about the players to grow.
The club should take a note how Liverpool reacted last season tp Saurez wanting to go , they held firm and said you are our player on a contract and we are not letting you go.
Why would we let players go before the world cup? if we are going to sell them let them play in Brazil and if they do well their values will go up and if the fail to perform clubs may back off and we will end up keeping them.
As simple as this may seem it could in fact happen, either way we are better off.
I think MP could have done the decent thing and resigned the day after we played Man U. It is pretty obvious he never had any intentions of staying so by not resigning sooner he has strung the club along and aloud the uncertainty about the players to grow. The club should take a note how Liverpool reacted last season tp Saurez wanting to go , they held firm and said you are our player on a contract and we are not letting you go. Why would we let players go before the world cup? if we are going to sell them let them play in Brazil and if they do well their values will go up and if the fail to perform clubs may back off and we will end up keeping them. As simple as this may seem it could in fact happen, either way we are better off. boilerman
  • Score: 2

1:45pm Wed 28 May 14

allsaintsnocurves says...

I feared us losing Cortese because I felt without him we would never fulfill our maximum potential. Cortese was someone who I believed would truly re-write the rule book as far as the big 4 teams are concerned. He had convinced all the players at Southampton that as good as they would be Individually if they all stayed together then Southampton would be successful. Now he has gone those players will all be feeling that the road has come to an end.

For any of that vision to remain intact as far as the players are concerned it was imperative we kept Pochetino. Now he has gone the Board needs to act fast and positively to reassure the players the vision is still alive and kicking and that we haven't reverted back to type...being a mid table side we a decent academy that will always end up having to sell for those players to really fulfill their own potential. Southampton will never benefit from the full potential our best youngsters as they will move on and others will reap the benefits. Spurs got £80m for Bale Saints got £8m that was reduced to £5 removing any sell on clause. We are now looking like losing Lallana and that will benefit Bournemouth who do have a 25% sell on clause!

I hope Saints can remain strong and appoint a big name who is ambitious and feels that he can get Southampton into the top 4. Without that ambition we are just going to be on a downward curve or remain static.
I feared us losing Cortese because I felt without him we would never fulfill our maximum potential. Cortese was someone who I believed would truly re-write the rule book as far as the big 4 teams are concerned. He had convinced all the players at Southampton that as good as they would be Individually if they all stayed together then Southampton would be successful. Now he has gone those players will all be feeling that the road has come to an end. For any of that vision to remain intact as far as the players are concerned it was imperative we kept Pochetino. Now he has gone the Board needs to act fast and positively to reassure the players the vision is still alive and kicking and that we haven't reverted back to type...being a mid table side we a decent academy that will always end up having to sell for those players to really fulfill their own potential. Southampton will never benefit from the full potential our best youngsters as they will move on and others will reap the benefits. Spurs got £80m for Bale Saints got £8m that was reduced to £5 removing any sell on clause. We are now looking like losing Lallana and that will benefit Bournemouth who do have a 25% sell on clause! I hope Saints can remain strong and appoint a big name who is ambitious and feels that he can get Southampton into the top 4. Without that ambition we are just going to be on a downward curve or remain static. allsaintsnocurves
  • Score: 0

1:55pm Wed 28 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Costa Baz wrote:
When the manager said he wanted to wait until the summer, to discuss his contract, does anyone really think the board should have announced that they had already offered him a contract but he wasn't interested in looking at it, or signing it? REALLY?
You have a man, who has been very clever in manipulating the situation he wanted to create, and you wanted the board to announce to the whole world that he was ignoring a new contract?
All that would have done is alert everyone to the situation, and would have started this whole sad circus off even sooner.

Can anyone confirm, yet, that he would have had to sell the key players, in order to purchase new ones? All I've seen is media speculation.
Have we actually sold any key players, yet? No we haven't.

Just speculating, but maybe, just maybe, the new board didn't want MP to stay on, as he was Cortese's man, but didn't want to sack him?
Maybe it is MP who has been manipulated, into leaving, so that the new board can move on without the spectre of Cortese hanging over them, and a pay off in the bank?
It is easy to stand on the outside and tell the board what they should or should not have done, but without knowing the whole story, any advice will only be based on assumption and personal opinion based on those assumptions. To many on these threads are stating their assumptions and their opinions as facts, when they are not.

When Cortese refused to be drawn into making comments, or airing dirty linen in public, he was considered strong, for taking that stance.
When the new board take the same stance they are branded weak and naive.

Go figure.
BOOOOOOMMM and he hits it out of the park!

people are moaning that theres no transparency yet in the few months since RK was appointed we have more statements from the club than in the previous time under NC.
what great announcement did we get from NC when adkins was sacked? nothing! the only thing we got was about MP replacing him as manager, no reason and no explanation which is pretty much what we have had this time.
I cant understand why some are moaning at the board for not talking, when in reality they have, whilst praising NC for his style.
the comments that `this wouldn't have happened under NC` are just plain wrong! its well known that NC wanted to sack MP in December but was persuaded not to by the senior players! what would people have said about NC if he had sacked him? I liked the way NC ran the club as much as anyone but he wasn't the messiah and often made mistakes, he also had little or no football experience when he came in so that's no different to RK.
I think the board knew MP was probably on his way for a while and have handed it brilliantly, they have made him do all the running and so get a nice pay out. there has been rumours that we have been looking for a new manager for over a month so I expect that there is a short list in place and we may even get an appointment this week. this is only speculation and is no more `real` or `true` than any others. the only difference is im not going to lay blame at anyone`s door until I know what has gone on.
the people who are slating the board are the same ones who slated NC when adkins and pardew were sacked!
its easy to lay blame and accuse the people in charge of this that and the other without knowing the facts. the next move the club make will show what `ambition` and `vision` they have, so I for one will wait for the facts before making up my mind about the board.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: When the manager said he wanted to wait until the summer, to discuss his contract, does anyone really think the board should have announced that they had already offered him a contract but he wasn't interested in looking at it, or signing it? REALLY? You have a man, who has been very clever in manipulating the situation he wanted to create, and you wanted the board to announce to the whole world that he was ignoring a new contract? All that would have done is alert everyone to the situation, and would have started this whole sad circus off even sooner. Can anyone confirm, yet, that he would have had to sell the key players, in order to purchase new ones? All I've seen is media speculation. Have we actually sold any key players, yet? No we haven't. Just speculating, but maybe, just maybe, the new board didn't want MP to stay on, as he was Cortese's man, but didn't want to sack him? Maybe it is MP who has been manipulated, into leaving, so that the new board can move on without the spectre of Cortese hanging over them, and a pay off in the bank? It is easy to stand on the outside and tell the board what they should or should not have done, but without knowing the whole story, any advice will only be based on assumption and personal opinion based on those assumptions. To many on these threads are stating their assumptions and their opinions as facts, when they are not. When Cortese refused to be drawn into making comments, or airing dirty linen in public, he was considered strong, for taking that stance. When the new board take the same stance they are branded weak and naive. Go figure.[/p][/quote]BOOOOOOMMM and he hits it out of the park! people are moaning that theres no transparency yet in the few months since RK was appointed we have more statements from the club than in the previous time under NC. what great announcement did we get from NC when adkins was sacked? nothing! the only thing we got was about MP replacing him as manager, no reason and no explanation which is pretty much what we have had this time. I cant understand why some are moaning at the board for not talking, when in reality they have, whilst praising NC for his style. the comments that `this wouldn't have happened under NC` are just plain wrong! its well known that NC wanted to sack MP in December but was persuaded not to by the senior players! what would people have said about NC if he had sacked him? I liked the way NC ran the club as much as anyone but he wasn't the messiah and often made mistakes, he also had little or no football experience when he came in so that's no different to RK. I think the board knew MP was probably on his way for a while and have handed it brilliantly, they have made him do all the running and so get a nice pay out. there has been rumours that we have been looking for a new manager for over a month so I expect that there is a short list in place and we may even get an appointment this week. this is only speculation and is no more `real` or `true` than any others. the only difference is im not going to lay blame at anyone`s door until I know what has gone on. the people who are slating the board are the same ones who slated NC when adkins and pardew were sacked! its easy to lay blame and accuse the people in charge of this that and the other without knowing the facts. the next move the club make will show what `ambition` and `vision` they have, so I for one will wait for the facts before making up my mind about the board. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 5

2:04pm Wed 28 May 14

Rising_Son says...

Let's consider a different kind of scenario from the ones that have been presented on this thread.

Pochettino had a tremendously successful season. He took an unfancied
team full of unknown players, worked some magic, took them the unexpected heights of 8th place in the Premier League and even converted some of the unknowns into England internationals. He is offered an improved deal if he stays. However, he worries that he has reached the pinnacle of his career and is afraid that he will only disappoint next season.

His stock however is still high in football circles, and an offer that will make him rich with or without success comes. He moves to Spuds.

Am I thinking too much?
Let's consider a different kind of scenario from the ones that have been presented on this thread. Pochettino had a tremendously successful season. He took an unfancied team full of unknown players, worked some magic, took them the unexpected heights of 8th place in the Premier League and even converted some of the unknowns into England internationals. He is offered an improved deal if he stays. However, he worries that he has reached the pinnacle of his career and is afraid that he will only disappoint next season. His stock however is still high in football circles, and an offer that will make him rich with or without success comes. He moves to Spuds. Am I thinking too much? Rising_Son
  • Score: 2

2:28pm Wed 28 May 14

Alwaysasaint says...

A dark day for Southampton indeed but Mopo had made his intentions clear from The time Cortese left. He was rumoured to be leaving then but a chat with Cortese convinced him that his stock would rise on the back of a complete successful season. This season I have seen arguably the best Southampton team ever but as the very good Echo said we have become victims of own success. It seems a new team will need to be formed the sale of at least lallana and shaw. If we only lose these two then we will have done well and we must remember we will always have to sale players. It's a grim fact of football life that a bigger club can always pick your best players off. Even Spurs had to sell Bale. Southampton can never compete with bigger clubs because we cannot pay the huge wages. Now we cannot grow bigger because of the new Uefa rules. These rules, designed to impact on big clubs such as man City ultimately hit clubs like us just as hard. We cannot spend big money because we are not allowed to. So, unfortunately, we are almost certainly destined to stay roughly as we. Hopefully we can stay in the Premier league but it will be tough.

Outright criticism of the board and Les Reed is probably a little premature. I would like to think that the board had already drawn up a short list of potential candidates to succeed Mopo. A new manager providing continuity in the style we have Ben playing is, I believe, essential. The high pressing quick passing game has been a revelation to me and I have loved every minute of it. This style of playing has been a development of what Pardew and then Adkins first put in place. Mopo was very lucky that he inherited a side that was full of good players. His choice of transfers in was good in that we got Boruc,Lovren and wanyama but Osvaldo, a player who he knew, has been a disaster. The fans wanted Osvaldo to succeed but after instigating the brawl at Newcastle and then giving Fonte a head butt it was obvious that this guy was wrong but Mopo must have known what he was like. So my conclusion is that whilst a great coach, Mopo has a way to go yet.

The southampton way has been the thread of the last five years. The generally liked football man Cortese gave a continuity and togetherness that is essential in clubs like Southampton. The players and the fans have grown into a unit over the last. 5 years. This bond may now have been broken. We face a summer of huge uncertainty. This is where the Kreugers and the Reeds need to show leadership and commitment to the cause. A genuine supporter feels these issues with their heart. We need to told everything will be OK. My guess is some of the players need to be told this as well. Everyone counts in this respect from the fans to the tea lady. Southampton has a bright future if it is managed well.

The jury is out on the board but it won't be out for very long unless a replacement for Mopo is announced prettily rapidly indicating that we have already had some irons in the fire.

I must go and renew my season ticket. COYR!
A dark day for Southampton indeed but Mopo had made his intentions clear from The time Cortese left. He was rumoured to be leaving then but a chat with Cortese convinced him that his stock would rise on the back of a complete successful season. This season I have seen arguably the best Southampton team ever but as the very good Echo said we have become victims of own success. It seems a new team will need to be formed the sale of at least lallana and shaw. If we only lose these two then we will have done well and we must remember we will always have to sale players. It's a grim fact of football life that a bigger club can always pick your best players off. Even Spurs had to sell Bale. Southampton can never compete with bigger clubs because we cannot pay the huge wages. Now we cannot grow bigger because of the new Uefa rules. These rules, designed to impact on big clubs such as man City ultimately hit clubs like us just as hard. We cannot spend big money because we are not allowed to. So, unfortunately, we are almost certainly destined to stay roughly as we. Hopefully we can stay in the Premier league but it will be tough. Outright criticism of the board and Les Reed is probably a little premature. I would like to think that the board had already drawn up a short list of potential candidates to succeed Mopo. A new manager providing continuity in the style we have Ben playing is, I believe, essential. The high pressing quick passing game has been a revelation to me and I have loved every minute of it. This style of playing has been a development of what Pardew and then Adkins first put in place. Mopo was very lucky that he inherited a side that was full of good players. His choice of transfers in was good in that we got Boruc,Lovren and wanyama but Osvaldo, a player who he knew, has been a disaster. The fans wanted Osvaldo to succeed but after instigating the brawl at Newcastle and then giving Fonte a head butt it was obvious that this guy was wrong but Mopo must have known what he was like. So my conclusion is that whilst a great coach, Mopo has a way to go yet. The southampton way has been the thread of the last five years. The generally liked football man Cortese gave a continuity and togetherness that is essential in clubs like Southampton. The players and the fans have grown into a unit over the last. 5 years. This bond may now have been broken. We face a summer of huge uncertainty. This is where the Kreugers and the Reeds need to show leadership and commitment to the cause. A genuine supporter feels these issues with their heart. We need to told everything will be OK. My guess is some of the players need to be told this as well. Everyone counts in this respect from the fans to the tea lady. Southampton has a bright future if it is managed well. The jury is out on the board but it won't be out for very long unless a replacement for Mopo is announced prettily rapidly indicating that we have already had some irons in the fire. I must go and renew my season ticket. COYR! Alwaysasaint
  • Score: 2

2:32pm Wed 28 May 14

Alicesdad says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Let's consider a different kind of scenario from the ones that have been presented on this thread.

Pochettino had a tremendously successful season. He took an unfancied
team full of unknown players, worked some magic, took them the unexpected heights of 8th place in the Premier League and even converted some of the unknowns into England internationals. He is offered an improved deal if he stays. However, he worries that he has reached the pinnacle of his career and is afraid that he will only disappoint next season.

His stock however is still high in football circles, and an offer that will make him rich with or without success comes. He moves to Spuds.

Am I thinking too much?
Maybe.. I dont think your view is so very different from what is put on here although it doesnt concentrate on the greed element.

I like Poch, but of all the clubs he could have gone to I think Spurs is a mistake. He will have until Christmas to be in the top 3 and challenging for CL... or he will be fired. He knows this.. it's a risk .. good luck to him. I hope he has a huge budget because he will need it.

I strongly dislike the Tottenham approach to management turnover and I think he will be yet another victim .. Ah well he'll earn more than my retirement pot before Chistmas so it's no time to be handing him the kleenex.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: Let's consider a different kind of scenario from the ones that have been presented on this thread. Pochettino had a tremendously successful season. He took an unfancied team full of unknown players, worked some magic, took them the unexpected heights of 8th place in the Premier League and even converted some of the unknowns into England internationals. He is offered an improved deal if he stays. However, he worries that he has reached the pinnacle of his career and is afraid that he will only disappoint next season. His stock however is still high in football circles, and an offer that will make him rich with or without success comes. He moves to Spuds. Am I thinking too much?[/p][/quote]Maybe.. I dont think your view is so very different from what is put on here although it doesnt concentrate on the greed element. I like Poch, but of all the clubs he could have gone to I think Spurs is a mistake. He will have until Christmas to be in the top 3 and challenging for CL... or he will be fired. He knows this.. it's a risk .. good luck to him. I hope he has a huge budget because he will need it. I strongly dislike the Tottenham approach to management turnover and I think he will be yet another victim .. Ah well he'll earn more than my retirement pot before Chistmas so it's no time to be handing him the kleenex. Alicesdad
  • Score: 0

2:33pm Wed 28 May 14

jpa1949 says...

who cares
who cares jpa1949
  • Score: 0

2:37pm Wed 28 May 14

Alicesdad says...

Meanwhile the one man who has all the answers has still not spoken up and remains silent. The man who knows the name of the next manager, probably, and who knows what is needed and when, the man who nestles in the shadows awaiting the call from the Echo clairvoyant/football correspondent. Soon he will speak, so be ready for his words, his vision, maybe even his photo.

Gordon Watson is on holiday.
Meanwhile the one man who has all the answers has still not spoken up and remains silent. The man who knows the name of the next manager, probably, and who knows what is needed and when, the man who nestles in the shadows awaiting the call from the Echo clairvoyant/football correspondent. Soon he will speak, so be ready for his words, his vision, maybe even his photo. Gordon Watson is on holiday. Alicesdad
  • Score: 1

2:38pm Wed 28 May 14

Alicesdad says...

jpa1949 wrote:
who cares
Er... yeah good point.
[quote][p][bold]jpa1949[/bold] wrote: who cares[/p][/quote]Er... yeah good point. Alicesdad
  • Score: 0

2:41pm Wed 28 May 14

Alicesdad says...

By the way, is MLT still trying to get a meeting with Cortese? We should be told.
By the way, is MLT still trying to get a meeting with Cortese? We should be told. Alicesdad
  • Score: -1

2:53pm Wed 28 May 14

Malcombe says...

Here's a question for all you lovely people who comment on the DE and watch a lot of Football either on the TV or at St Marys, if Adam & Luke & Dejan leave any ideas who would be very good replacements and an honest stab in the dark who will replace MP?
Here's a question for all you lovely people who comment on the DE and watch a lot of Football either on the TV or at St Marys, if Adam & Luke & Dejan leave any ideas who would be very good replacements and an honest stab in the dark who will replace MP? Malcombe
  • Score: 0

3:27pm Wed 28 May 14

jls217 says...

Luke - Ryan Bertrand
Dejan - Caulker
Adam - No need to buy if you need a central man - we already have Ramirez
To replace him as a flanker Aaron Hunt is available on a free.

Don't expect everyone to agree - merely my opinion.
Luke - Ryan Bertrand Dejan - Caulker Adam - No need to buy if you need a central man - we already have Ramirez To replace him as a flanker Aaron Hunt is available on a free. Don't expect everyone to agree - merely my opinion. jls217
  • Score: 1

3:30pm Wed 28 May 14

jls217 says...

Very interesting interview on Sky Sport News just now. Seems they have exactly the same team of scouts who found Pochettino out scouring the world for likely replacements. They have had a large nr of statements of interest from managers internationally and will be drawing up a short list shortly.
Good interview Freddie - Impressed.
Very interesting interview on Sky Sport News just now. Seems they have exactly the same team of scouts who found Pochettino out scouring the world for likely replacements. They have had a large nr of statements of interest from managers internationally and will be drawing up a short list shortly. Good interview Freddie - Impressed. jls217
  • Score: 1

5:20pm Wed 28 May 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

Come on Ralth lets get Brutal re clean Skates!
Come on Ralth lets get Brutal re clean Skates! Fatty x Ford Worker
  • Score: 0

6:56pm Wed 28 May 14

boilerman says...

boilerman wrote:
I think MP could have done the decent thing and resigned the day after we played Man U.
It is pretty obvious he never had any intentions of staying so by not resigning sooner he has strung the club along and aloud the uncertainty about the players to grow.
The club should take a note how Liverpool reacted last season tp Saurez wanting to go , they held firm and said you are our player on a contract and we are not letting you go.
Why would we let players go before the world cup? if we are going to sell them let them play in Brazil and if they do well their values will go up and if the fail to perform clubs may back off and we will end up keeping them.
As simple as this may seem it could in fact happen, either way we are better off.
Sorry about the spelling.
Must proof read a bit more.
[quote][p][bold]boilerman[/bold] wrote: I think MP could have done the decent thing and resigned the day after we played Man U. It is pretty obvious he never had any intentions of staying so by not resigning sooner he has strung the club along and aloud the uncertainty about the players to grow. The club should take a note how Liverpool reacted last season tp Saurez wanting to go , they held firm and said you are our player on a contract and we are not letting you go. Why would we let players go before the world cup? if we are going to sell them let them play in Brazil and if they do well their values will go up and if the fail to perform clubs may back off and we will end up keeping them. As simple as this may seem it could in fact happen, either way we are better off.[/p][/quote]Sorry about the spelling. Must proof read a bit more. boilerman
  • Score: 0

10:28pm Wed 28 May 14

Shareholder says...

Well done the Echo for reminding us why Cortese banned you. You're scare mongering and adding fuel to those who want to destabilise the club. A self serving, selfish individual has left the club and deserted his players. The board have done nothing wrong and instead of having a go at them and the owners Let's remember it was her family's money that saved this club. Five, four or even three years ago most of us would have been happy to see us once again back in the premiership. Let's keep things in perspective. I suggest the Echo do what everyone with the best interests of Saints in their hearts should do - get behind the club, stay positive and above all stay loyal. If you all you can do is keep carping on about a man with none of those qualities who has just walked out on us then say nothing at all!
Well done the Echo for reminding us why Cortese banned you. You're scare mongering and adding fuel to those who want to destabilise the club. A self serving, selfish individual has left the club and deserted his players. The board have done nothing wrong and instead of having a go at them and the owners Let's remember it was her family's money that saved this club. Five, four or even three years ago most of us would have been happy to see us once again back in the premiership. Let's keep things in perspective. I suggest the Echo do what everyone with the best interests of Saints in their hearts should do - get behind the club, stay positive and above all stay loyal. If you all you can do is keep carping on about a man with none of those qualities who has just walked out on us then say nothing at all! Shareholder
  • Score: 2

1:06am Thu 29 May 14

Rising_Son says...

Alicesdad wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Let's consider a different kind of scenario from the ones that have been presented on this thread.

Pochettino had a tremendously successful season. He took an unfancied
team full of unknown players, worked some magic, took them the unexpected heights of 8th place in the Premier League and even converted some of the unknowns into England internationals. He is offered an improved deal if he stays. However, he worries that he has reached the pinnacle of his career and is afraid that he will only disappoint next season.

His stock however is still high in football circles, and an offer that will make him rich with or without success comes. He moves to Spuds.

Am I thinking too much?
Maybe.. I dont think your view is so very different from what is put on here although it doesnt concentrate on the greed element.

I like Poch, but of all the clubs he could have gone to I think Spurs is a mistake. He will have until Christmas to be in the top 3 and challenging for CL... or he will be fired. He knows this.. it's a risk .. good luck to him. I hope he has a huge budget because he will need it.

I strongly dislike the Tottenham approach to management turnover and I think he will be yet another victim .. Ah well he'll earn more than my retirement pot before Chistmas so it's no time to be handing him the kleenex.
Interesting that we have such different impressions of the mood of comments on here. I was responding to the comments of posters like
Golden_Salamander, Saint., saint christopher, NC Fan4Life, Sheffieldsaint,
N Smith, montecristosaint, saintbobby, right back in the bar and others,
who seem merely to be vilifying the board, although they have no more evidence for their inferences than I have for the scenario that I presented.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: Let's consider a different kind of scenario from the ones that have been presented on this thread. Pochettino had a tremendously successful season. He took an unfancied team full of unknown players, worked some magic, took them the unexpected heights of 8th place in the Premier League and even converted some of the unknowns into England internationals. He is offered an improved deal if he stays. However, he worries that he has reached the pinnacle of his career and is afraid that he will only disappoint next season. His stock however is still high in football circles, and an offer that will make him rich with or without success comes. He moves to Spuds. Am I thinking too much?[/p][/quote]Maybe.. I dont think your view is so very different from what is put on here although it doesnt concentrate on the greed element. I like Poch, but of all the clubs he could have gone to I think Spurs is a mistake. He will have until Christmas to be in the top 3 and challenging for CL... or he will be fired. He knows this.. it's a risk .. good luck to him. I hope he has a huge budget because he will need it. I strongly dislike the Tottenham approach to management turnover and I think he will be yet another victim .. Ah well he'll earn more than my retirement pot before Chistmas so it's no time to be handing him the kleenex.[/p][/quote]Interesting that we have such different impressions of the mood of comments on here. I was responding to the comments of posters like Golden_Salamander, Saint., saint christopher, NC Fan4Life, Sheffieldsaint, N Smith, montecristosaint, saintbobby, right back in the bar and others, who seem merely to be vilifying the board, although they have no more evidence for their inferences than I have for the scenario that I presented. Rising_Son
  • Score: 1

4:21am Thu 29 May 14

st1halo says...

The Echo says-

If they want to try and hold everything together as it is, then their only chance is a very high profile appointment. Of the names listed we are talking a Rafa Benitez type, maybe Gus Poyet.

LOL, high profile? Gus Poyet? Really!!!!!!
And some take this article seriously!

The board shouldn't be blamed for being misled by MP. I'll take naivety coupled with honesty and integrity every time.

STID
The Echo says- If they want to try and hold everything together as it is, then their only chance is a very high profile appointment. Of the names listed we are talking a Rafa Benitez type, maybe Gus Poyet. LOL, high profile? Gus Poyet? Really!!!!!! And some take this article seriously! The board shouldn't be blamed for being misled by MP. I'll take naivety coupled with honesty and integrity every time. STID st1halo
  • Score: 1

1:38pm Thu 29 May 14

jls217 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Let's consider a different kind of scenario from the ones that have been presented on this thread.

Pochettino had a tremendously successful season. He took an unfancied
team full of unknown players, worked some magic, took them the unexpected heights of 8th place in the Premier League and even converted some of the unknowns into England internationals. He is offered an improved deal if he stays. However, he worries that he has reached the pinnacle of his career and is afraid that he will only disappoint next season.

His stock however is still high in football circles, and an offer that will make him rich with or without success comes. He moves to Spuds.

Am I thinking too much?
Maybe.. I dont think your view is so very different from what is put on here although it doesnt concentrate on the greed element.

I like Poch, but of all the clubs he could have gone to I think Spurs is a mistake. He will have until Christmas to be in the top 3 and challenging for CL... or he will be fired. He knows this.. it's a risk .. good luck to him. I hope he has a huge budget because he will need it.

I strongly dislike the Tottenham approach to management turnover and I think he will be yet another victim .. Ah well he'll earn more than my retirement pot before Chistmas so it's no time to be handing him the kleenex.
Interesting that we have such different impressions of the mood of comments on here. I was responding to the comments of posters like
Golden_Salamander, Saint., saint christopher, NC Fan4Life, Sheffieldsaint,
N Smith, montecristosaint, saintbobby, right back in the bar and others,
who seem merely to be vilifying the board, although they have no more evidence for their inferences than I have for the scenario that I presented.
My feelings are that the board are trying their best to put right a situation forced upon them and they tried to avoid. That's passed now and all that matter is what they do from now on in.
There have been what can only be described as attacks (and personal too) on various members of the management team which have no basis in fact, have become over-emotional rants from so called fans bordering on becoming trolls. Not helpful, not constructive not deserved and not representative of a fan base I recognize as, of my ilk. Not naming names. Don't want to embarrass anyone, just saying we don't need it in times of stress. We need calm rational thinking and opinions. I know there are manyh who will disagree with me.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: Let's consider a different kind of scenario from the ones that have been presented on this thread. Pochettino had a tremendously successful season. He took an unfancied team full of unknown players, worked some magic, took them the unexpected heights of 8th place in the Premier League and even converted some of the unknowns into England internationals. He is offered an improved deal if he stays. However, he worries that he has reached the pinnacle of his career and is afraid that he will only disappoint next season. His stock however is still high in football circles, and an offer that will make him rich with or without success comes. He moves to Spuds. Am I thinking too much?[/p][/quote]Maybe.. I dont think your view is so very different from what is put on here although it doesnt concentrate on the greed element. I like Poch, but of all the clubs he could have gone to I think Spurs is a mistake. He will have until Christmas to be in the top 3 and challenging for CL... or he will be fired. He knows this.. it's a risk .. good luck to him. I hope he has a huge budget because he will need it. I strongly dislike the Tottenham approach to management turnover and I think he will be yet another victim .. Ah well he'll earn more than my retirement pot before Chistmas so it's no time to be handing him the kleenex.[/p][/quote]Interesting that we have such different impressions of the mood of comments on here. I was responding to the comments of posters like Golden_Salamander, Saint., saint christopher, NC Fan4Life, Sheffieldsaint, N Smith, montecristosaint, saintbobby, right back in the bar and others, who seem merely to be vilifying the board, although they have no more evidence for their inferences than I have for the scenario that I presented.[/p][/quote]My feelings are that the board are trying their best to put right a situation forced upon them and they tried to avoid. That's passed now and all that matter is what they do from now on in. There have been what can only be described as attacks (and personal too) on various members of the management team which have no basis in fact, have become over-emotional rants from so called fans bordering on becoming trolls. Not helpful, not constructive not deserved and not representative of a fan base I recognize as, of my ilk. Not naming names. Don't want to embarrass anyone, just saying we don't need it in times of stress. We need calm rational thinking and opinions. I know there are manyh who will disagree with me. jls217
  • Score: 1

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