Manchester United expected to step up bid to sign Saints left back Luke Shaw

Basingstoke Gazette: Luke Shaw (right) playing against Fulham. Luke Shaw (right) playing against Fulham.

Manchester United are expected to step up their attempts to secure a pre-World Cup deal for Luke Shaw after confirming Louis van Gaal as their new manager.

Saints are bracing themselves for further pressure from the Old Trafford club, who handed over a £25m offer for the 18-year-old left back just hours after the sides drew 1-1 at St Mary’s on the final day of the season.

There is believed to have been no formal response to the bid with Saints keen to try and leave things to settle while waiting for manager Mauricio Pochettino to decide his future.

The manager has been offered a lucrative contract extension but has stalled on penning the new deal with Tottenham reportedly keen on appointing him as successor to Tim Sherwood.

Saints appear to be trying to hold fire on decisions on Shaw and Adam Lallana, the subject of big offer from Liverpool, until Pochettino’s future is confirmed.

It would make life even tougher for Saints to hold on to Pochettino if they sell from under him, while, in the worst case scenario, if the players were to force moves with the manager having committed himself to a stay beyond the remaining one year on his current deal then the club could say that Pochettino had approved the sales which would make it slightly easier for fans to buy.

United are confident of wrapping a deal for Shaw before he departs with England for the World Cup with current left back Patrice Evra in advanced talks to join Juventus.

The England squad are currently on a training camp in Portugal but return home for over a week of training and a friendly against Peru at Wembley before jetting off to Miami and then Brazil.

Van Gaal’s appointment is likely to be the catalyst for United to try and push the deal.

United executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward said: "In Louis van Gaal, we have secured the services of one of the outstanding managers in the game today.

"He has achieved many things in his career to date and Old Trafford provides him with a fitting stage on which to write new chapters in the Manchester United story."

The vastly experienced Van Gaal was quickly identified as the club's top target after David Moyes was sacked in April.

The appointment of Giggs, 40, ends speculation over the future of the club's most decorated player. Giggs had served as interim manager for the final four games of last season.

Moyes, appointed only last year following the retirement of the long-serving Sir Alex Ferguson, paid the price for a poor season.

United, champions in 2013, could only finish seventh in the Premier League this year and therefore failed to qualify for European football.

Van Gaal will therefore inherit a squad that has slipped to a low ebb but he boasts a rich coaching pedigree and plenty of experience of handling big-name players.

Van Gaal said: "It was always a wish for me to work in the Premier League. To work as a manager for Manchester United, the biggest club in the world, makes me very proud.

"I have managed in games at Old Trafford before and know what an incredible arena Old Trafford is and how passionate and knowledgeable the fans are.

"This club has big ambitions. I too have big ambitions. Together I'm sure we will make history."

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6:09am Tue 20 May 14

Manicsaintbloke says...

When did we start caring about manure and when.did this turn into the Manchester news van gal can do one too
When did we start caring about manure and when.did this turn into the Manchester news van gal can do one too Manicsaintbloke
  • Score: 62

6:31am Tue 20 May 14

richard903 says...

Morning fellow sufferers, I live in France and on the news last night they said Morgan was the best at training in the squad! What they meant by that I dont have a clue. Saints got a mention. They interviewed Morgan and he said he was just keeping his head down and trying to get into the 23. The news presenter didnt know he was not in the 23 and seemed surprised. No point to this post just trying to say something positive.
Morning fellow sufferers, I live in France and on the news last night they said Morgan was the best at training in the squad! What they meant by that I dont have a clue. Saints got a mention. They interviewed Morgan and he said he was just keeping his head down and trying to get into the 23. The news presenter didnt know he was not in the 23 and seemed surprised. No point to this post just trying to say something positive. richard903
  • Score: 68

6:33am Tue 20 May 14

andoru says...

Anywhere but Man Utd ...

Heck, let's sell him for less to another team if we have to, but not to our new division rivals and a team that always gets what they want.
Anywhere but Man Utd ... Heck, let's sell him for less to another team if we have to, but not to our new division rivals and a team that always gets what they want. andoru
  • Score: 25

6:38am Tue 20 May 14

InCortesewetrust says...

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  • Score: 27

6:42am Tue 20 May 14

Saint TGB says...

The answer should still be a resounding 'NO'.
The answer should still be a resounding 'NO'. Saint TGB
  • Score: 29

6:55am Tue 20 May 14

England sfc says...

What sort of club would sell thier star players before the WC,well this one apparently..
We all know AL and LS would never force a move so it must be the owner. No wonder MP wants out..
All is not rosy at SFC from what I'm hearing and now Sniderline wants to leave..
Only one way this club is going unless KL gets her act together..
What sort of club would sell thier star players before the WC,well this one apparently.. We all know AL and LS would never force a move so it must be the owner. No wonder MP wants out.. All is not rosy at SFC from what I'm hearing and now Sniderline wants to leave.. Only one way this club is going unless KL gets her act together.. England sfc
  • Score: -86

6:57am Tue 20 May 14

White and red till dead says...

Looks like Cole's available if Shaw goes...
Looks like Cole's available if Shaw goes... White and red till dead
  • Score: 4

7:11am Tue 20 May 14

BracknellSaint says...

Wouldn't there have to have been a first offer for Manure to be able to make a second?
Yet to hear any official confirmation or see proof that they actually DID make a bid after the last game of the season?
Wouldn't there have to have been a first offer for Manure to be able to make a second? Yet to hear any official confirmation or see proof that they actually DID make a bid after the last game of the season? BracknellSaint
  • Score: 15

7:22am Tue 20 May 14

Saint Jinx says...

BracknellSaint wrote:
Wouldn't there have to have been a first offer for Manure to be able to make a second?
Yet to hear any official confirmation or see proof that they actually DID make a bid after the last game of the season?
I agree.

This was poor journalism - far too speculative and disruptive.
[quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: Wouldn't there have to have been a first offer for Manure to be able to make a second? Yet to hear any official confirmation or see proof that they actually DID make a bid after the last game of the season?[/p][/quote]I agree. This was poor journalism - far too speculative and disruptive. Saint Jinx
  • Score: 23

7:25am Tue 20 May 14

Aussie_Saint says...

England sfc wrote:
What sort of club would sell thier star players before the WC,well this one apparently..
We all know AL and LS would never force a move so it must be the owner. No wonder MP wants out..
All is not rosy at SFC from what I'm hearing and now Sniderline wants to leave..
Only one way this club is going unless KL gets her act together..
Mate, go get yourself a tampax and relax. Seriously, you are an idiot if you give an ounce of credence to anything the tabloids are saying.

Further, people might actually take your opinions seriously if you knew how to spell the names of our players. FYI, it's 'Schneiderlin'.
[quote][p][bold]England sfc[/bold] wrote: What sort of club would sell thier star players before the WC,well this one apparently.. We all know AL and LS would never force a move so it must be the owner. No wonder MP wants out.. All is not rosy at SFC from what I'm hearing and now Sniderline wants to leave.. Only one way this club is going unless KL gets her act together..[/p][/quote]Mate, go get yourself a tampax and relax. Seriously, you are an idiot if you give an ounce of credence to anything the tabloids are saying. Further, people might actually take your opinions seriously if you knew how to spell the names of our players. FYI, it's 'Schneiderlin'. Aussie_Saint
  • Score: 28

7:31am Tue 20 May 14

AdamG10 says...

Here we go. I said to my mate who's a United fan yesterday (he's not a close mate lol) as soon as Van Gaal was appointed, que all the Luke to Manure rumours to go into overdrive. Boom! Like everyone I'm getting so tired of all this constant speculation about the manager and players. However, I don't think the board can be criticized at this point. Anyone who thought MP's contract situation would be settled inside a week is a little naive in my book. There must be so much to discuss and negotiate. No news is good news. Once it is sorted out and I believe he will stay, I'm sure Luke and the rest will have a much clearer picture of how the club is going to push on and can then make their decisions. Until that time we'll all just have to grin and bear it. I'll be supporting the Saints next season whatever happens!
Here we go. I said to my mate who's a United fan yesterday (he's not a close mate lol) as soon as Van Gaal was appointed, que all the Luke to Manure rumours to go into overdrive. Boom! Like everyone I'm getting so tired of all this constant speculation about the manager and players. However, I don't think the board can be criticized at this point. Anyone who thought MP's contract situation would be settled inside a week is a little naive in my book. There must be so much to discuss and negotiate. No news is good news. Once it is sorted out and I believe he will stay, I'm sure Luke and the rest will have a much clearer picture of how the club is going to push on and can then make their decisions. Until that time we'll all just have to grin and bear it. I'll be supporting the Saints next season whatever happens! AdamG10
  • Score: 27

7:35am Tue 20 May 14

saint christopher says...

Another day, another dose of speculation based on no facts whatsoever, our own local paper being the worst culprit. DE = doom and excrement.
Another day, another dose of speculation based on no facts whatsoever, our own local paper being the worst culprit. DE = doom and excrement. saint christopher
  • Score: 22

7:38am Tue 20 May 14

JimmyLondon says...

nothing to do with ths ridiculous article but i hav heard rumours that paul williams and jason dodd are set to be sacked and replaced by 2 coaches of Poch's choice, rmour has it that he is not convinced that teh youth set-ups are playing this style. just arumor. Has anyone heard anything like this? if true t culd put weight behind poch staying as i do not think the club would make coaching schanges unless they were sure he would stay.
nothing to do with ths ridiculous article but i hav heard rumours that paul williams and jason dodd are set to be sacked and replaced by 2 coaches of Poch's choice, rmour has it that he is not convinced that teh youth set-ups are playing this style. just arumor. Has anyone heard anything like this? if true t culd put weight behind poch staying as i do not think the club would make coaching schanges unless they were sure he would stay. JimmyLondon
  • Score: 4

7:39am Tue 20 May 14

JimmyLondon says...

this sight is terrible for missing letters when typing!!!!! arghhh
this sight is terrible for missing letters when typing!!!!! arghhh JimmyLondon
  • Score: 6

7:40am Tue 20 May 14

White and red till dead says...

saint christopher wrote:
Another day, another dose of speculation based on no facts whatsoever, our own local paper being the worst culprit. DE = doom and excrement.
And you're on here posting...
[quote][p][bold]saint christopher[/bold] wrote: Another day, another dose of speculation based on no facts whatsoever, our own local paper being the worst culprit. DE = doom and excrement.[/p][/quote]And you're on here posting... White and red till dead
  • Score: -6

7:50am Tue 20 May 14

NewForestStu says...

More trash....this article appears to talk more on the issues surrounding United than about Saints. Have the club actually confirmed any bids for any of our players?

BTW Adam....why not cut and paste the one about Morgan in this mornings gutter press as well? Not heard that one for a while.
More trash....this article appears to talk more on the issues surrounding United than about Saints. Have the club actually confirmed any bids for any of our players? BTW Adam....why not cut and paste the one about Morgan in this mornings gutter press as well? Not heard that one for a while. NewForestStu
  • Score: 7

7:51am Tue 20 May 14

cotswoldsaint says...

Give it a rest DE editor. Rather than join in the general speculation, regurgitation and misinformation, why don't your reporters get off their backsides and find out what's really happening behind-the-scenes at our beloved club.It's done by getting out of the office and building contacts. Good old-fashioned journalistic skills. Go on, give it a go. You might find out something really interesting worth reading rather than stuff like this, which, even you must admit, is pretty lame.
Give it a rest DE editor. Rather than join in the general speculation, regurgitation and misinformation, why don't your reporters get off their backsides and find out what's really happening behind-the-scenes at our beloved club.It's done by getting out of the office and building contacts. Good old-fashioned journalistic skills. Go on, give it a go. You might find out something really interesting worth reading rather than stuff like this, which, even you must admit, is pretty lame. cotswoldsaint
  • Score: 12

7:52am Tue 20 May 14

notaclue says...

So according to this article we haven't responded to the first LS bid and they are just about to put in a second bid.
Sounds a bit far fetched doesn't it?
So according to this article we haven't responded to the first LS bid and they are just about to put in a second bid. Sounds a bit far fetched doesn't it? notaclue
  • Score: 18

8:04am Tue 20 May 14

saintbobby says...

And the Daily Telegraph is speculating and including Calum Chambers in a list if 10 players on whom Arsene Wenger could spend a total of £100 million.

But, brace yourself, when we keep everyone and MP and WIN the league next season, just think how potty all the newspapers will then get!

What have we done to deserve all this nonsense, other than play some lovely football. With you all - it really is a drag!
And the Daily Telegraph is speculating and including Calum Chambers in a list if 10 players on whom Arsene Wenger could spend a total of £100 million. But, brace yourself, when we keep everyone and MP and WIN the league next season, just think how potty all the newspapers will then get! What have we done to deserve all this nonsense, other than play some lovely football. With you all - it really is a drag! saintbobby
  • Score: 14

8:06am Tue 20 May 14

Folkestone Saint says...

If we must sell it should only be to teams outside of the prem, why on earth should we help our competitors.
p.s. if Mopo stays I expect all of our stars to aswell
If we must sell it should only be to teams outside of the prem, why on earth should we help our competitors. p.s. if Mopo stays I expect all of our stars to aswell Folkestone Saint
  • Score: 7

8:08am Tue 20 May 14

TIL 7468 says...

Hey Van Gaal

INTERTOTA CUP starts tomorrow!

Better not forget to apply for your Euro licence like our fishy friends did a few seasons back!

I can see it now Manchester united 1 Arsenal FC (Cyrus) 3.

:D
Hey Van Gaal INTERTOTA CUP starts tomorrow! Better not forget to apply for your Euro licence like our fishy friends did a few seasons back! I can see it now Manchester united 1 Arsenal FC (Cyrus) 3. :D TIL 7468
  • Score: -2

8:13am Tue 20 May 14

THE12THMAN says...

More lazy journalism from the D E, you really must try and get out a bit more Adam, do some proper research and tell us something we don't already know!
More lazy journalism from the D E, you really must try and get out a bit more Adam, do some proper research and tell us something we don't already know! THE12THMAN
  • Score: 8

8:15am Tue 20 May 14

damoose says...

If She sells sea-shells on the sea-Shaw.
The shells she sells are sea-shells, I'm sure.
For if she sells sea-shells on the sea-Shaw
I expect 60 mill tops
If She sells sea-shells on the sea-Shaw. The shells she sells are sea-shells, I'm sure. For if she sells sea-shells on the sea-Shaw I expect 60 mill tops damoose
  • Score: 13

8:15am Tue 20 May 14

TIL 7468 says...

It's simples the reason there's no news coming from Poch. is because his translator has gone on holiday :D
It's simples the reason there's no news coming from Poch. is because his translator has gone on holiday :D TIL 7468
  • Score: 10

8:18am Tue 20 May 14

redandy10 says...

They are wasting their time, he's under contract!!!
They are wasting their time, he's under contract!!! redandy10
  • Score: 7

8:23am Tue 20 May 14

pitbull says...

I watched an interview with Luke Shaw where he was talking about England and Southampton.
He spoke about the Saints using the term "WE", when players want to leave they usually use "They" to distance themselves from the club.

It's now gone quiet on the Adam and Mauricio rumours, it's now Morgans time.
Mind you, if you keep betting on horses without any knowledge eventually you'll end up with a winner.
I watched an interview with Luke Shaw where he was talking about England and Southampton. He spoke about the Saints using the term "WE", when players want to leave they usually use "They" to distance themselves from the club. It's now gone quiet on the Adam and Mauricio rumours, it's now Morgans time. Mind you, if you keep betting on horses without any knowledge eventually you'll end up with a winner. pitbull
  • Score: 10

8:27am Tue 20 May 14

TheMysterycat says...

England sfc wrote:
What sort of club would sell thier star players before the WC,well this one apparently..
We all know AL and LS would never force a move so it must be the owner. No wonder MP wants out..
All is not rosy at SFC from what I'm hearing and now Sniderline wants to leave..
Only one way this club is going unless KL gets her act together..
Its called football mate. It happens.
If MP leaves (when will the yids learn to do their own scouting?) then so be it. He’s a great manger who has done a great job but there are plenty of quality Managers around who would love to step into his shoes.
I’d be gutted to see AL leave but if so, its his choice and his career. He’s a quality player who will be missed but not to the point he is irreplaceable. We will get over it.
I don’t know why anyone would want to go to MU these days bit if they offer the right price, so be it.
So we might lose some key players shortly and probably our manager and training team. It happens. It’s football. If these people aren’t 100% happy to be at Saints, then jog on, whoever they are. All are replaceable and none are bigger than this club.
SFC will be here next season and I will be behind them 100%, whoever is on the pitch. I for one do not give a toss about all the transfer speculation, which is exactly what it is – speculation.
[quote][p][bold]England sfc[/bold] wrote: What sort of club would sell thier star players before the WC,well this one apparently.. We all know AL and LS would never force a move so it must be the owner. No wonder MP wants out.. All is not rosy at SFC from what I'm hearing and now Sniderline wants to leave.. Only one way this club is going unless KL gets her act together..[/p][/quote]Its called football mate. It happens. If MP leaves (when will the yids learn to do their own scouting?) then so be it. He’s a great manger who has done a great job but there are plenty of quality Managers around who would love to step into his shoes. I’d be gutted to see AL leave but if so, its his choice and his career. He’s a quality player who will be missed but not to the point he is irreplaceable. We will get over it. I don’t know why anyone would want to go to MU these days bit if they offer the right price, so be it. So we might lose some key players shortly and probably our manager and training team. It happens. It’s football. If these people aren’t 100% happy to be at Saints, then jog on, whoever they are. All are replaceable and none are bigger than this club. SFC will be here next season and I will be behind them 100%, whoever is on the pitch. I for one do not give a toss about all the transfer speculation, which is exactly what it is – speculation. TheMysterycat
  • Score: 5

8:36am Tue 20 May 14

andoru says...

pitbull wrote:
I watched an interview with Luke Shaw where he was talking about England and Southampton.
He spoke about the Saints using the term "WE", when players want to leave they usually use "They" to distance themselves from the club.

It's now gone quiet on the Adam and Mauricio rumours, it's now Morgans time.
Mind you, if you keep betting on horses without any knowledge eventually you'll end up with a winner.
I wouldn't read too much into that. The use of "we" is pretty natural. I say it to refer to my work team even though I hate most of my colleagues. He says it because right now he's a part of that team. I don't think I've ever heard a player use "they" because they're planning on leaving.
[quote][p][bold]pitbull[/bold] wrote: I watched an interview with Luke Shaw where he was talking about England and Southampton. He spoke about the Saints using the term "WE", when players want to leave they usually use "They" to distance themselves from the club. It's now gone quiet on the Adam and Mauricio rumours, it's now Morgans time. Mind you, if you keep betting on horses without any knowledge eventually you'll end up with a winner.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't read too much into that. The use of "we" is pretty natural. I say it to refer to my work team even though I hate most of my colleagues. He says it because right now he's a part of that team. I don't think I've ever heard a player use "they" because they're planning on leaving. andoru
  • Score: -3

8:50am Tue 20 May 14

Clever Dick says...

pitbull wrote:
I watched an interview with Luke Shaw where he was talking about England and Southampton.
He spoke about the Saints using the term "WE", when players want to leave they usually use "They" to distance themselves from the club.

It's now gone quiet on the Adam and Mauricio rumours, it's now Morgans time.
Mind you, if you keep betting on horses without any knowledge eventually you'll end up with a winner.
Spider is on record as saying he would never force a move away from Southampton and he is under contract so it is not his decision. Seeing as how Dejan said the same yesterday I'm wonderin if Nicola made it plain to them that if they signed a long term contract they would be held to it
[quote][p][bold]pitbull[/bold] wrote: I watched an interview with Luke Shaw where he was talking about England and Southampton. He spoke about the Saints using the term "WE", when players want to leave they usually use "They" to distance themselves from the club. It's now gone quiet on the Adam and Mauricio rumours, it's now Morgans time. Mind you, if you keep betting on horses without any knowledge eventually you'll end up with a winner.[/p][/quote]Spider is on record as saying he would never force a move away from Southampton and he is under contract so it is not his decision. Seeing as how Dejan said the same yesterday I'm wonderin if Nicola made it plain to them that if they signed a long term contract they would be held to it Clever Dick
  • Score: 2

8:52am Tue 20 May 14

SiamSaint says...

JimmyLondon wrote:
nothing to do with ths ridiculous article but i hav heard rumours that paul williams and jason dodd are set to be sacked and replaced by 2 coaches of Poch's choice, rmour has it that he is not convinced that teh youth set-ups are playing this style. just arumor. Has anyone heard anything like this? if true t culd put weight behind poch staying as i do not think the club would make coaching schanges unless they were sure he would stay.
Apparently they are already gone! Big shame to see doddsy off, but if it means we keep MoPo I can live with it
[quote][p][bold]JimmyLondon[/bold] wrote: nothing to do with ths ridiculous article but i hav heard rumours that paul williams and jason dodd are set to be sacked and replaced by 2 coaches of Poch's choice, rmour has it that he is not convinced that teh youth set-ups are playing this style. just arumor. Has anyone heard anything like this? if true t culd put weight behind poch staying as i do not think the club would make coaching schanges unless they were sure he would stay.[/p][/quote]Apparently they are already gone! Big shame to see doddsy off, but if it means we keep MoPo I can live with it SiamSaint
  • Score: 4

8:52am Tue 20 May 14

Mush On The Beach says...

andoru wrote:
pitbull wrote:
I watched an interview with Luke Shaw where he was talking about England and Southampton.
He spoke about the Saints using the term "WE", when players want to leave they usually use "They" to distance themselves from the club.

It's now gone quiet on the Adam and Mauricio rumours, it's now Morgans time.
Mind you, if you keep betting on horses without any knowledge eventually you'll end up with a winner.
I wouldn't read too much into that. The use of "we" is pretty natural. I say it to refer to my work team even though I hate most of my colleagues. He says it because right now he's a part of that team. I don't think I've ever heard a player use "they" because they're planning on leaving.
Paul Ince once got caught on film sporting a Manure shirt while he was still under contract at West Ham, that went down well for his future visits to East London.
Have we signed anyone yet? Time to write our own headlines.
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pitbull[/bold] wrote: I watched an interview with Luke Shaw where he was talking about England and Southampton. He spoke about the Saints using the term "WE", when players want to leave they usually use "They" to distance themselves from the club. It's now gone quiet on the Adam and Mauricio rumours, it's now Morgans time. Mind you, if you keep betting on horses without any knowledge eventually you'll end up with a winner.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't read too much into that. The use of "we" is pretty natural. I say it to refer to my work team even though I hate most of my colleagues. He says it because right now he's a part of that team. I don't think I've ever heard a player use "they" because they're planning on leaving.[/p][/quote]Paul Ince once got caught on film sporting a Manure shirt while he was still under contract at West Ham, that went down well for his future visits to East London. Have we signed anyone yet? Time to write our own headlines. Mush On The Beach
  • Score: 6

8:57am Tue 20 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

So the supposed 'first bid' has come down from £27mill to £25mill, when did that happen?
Did manure put in a bid that reduces over time?

Also manure want to get the deal done before the players leave for the world cup do they? Well as the echo said, they are in Portugal for a week and then come back for training and a friendly before jetting off to Miami. All that time they are with England and whilst they can talk to agents etc on their phones Roy has said he wouldn't be happy with that, he also said that no player would be allowed to leave for medical whilst with the group. Would the players want to risk upsetting the national manager just days/weeks before the world cup?
I don't think anything will happen, if it does, until after the world cup finishes anyway.
So the supposed 'first bid' has come down from £27mill to £25mill, when did that happen? Did manure put in a bid that reduces over time? Also manure want to get the deal done before the players leave for the world cup do they? Well as the echo said, they are in Portugal for a week and then come back for training and a friendly before jetting off to Miami. All that time they are with England and whilst they can talk to agents etc on their phones Roy has said he wouldn't be happy with that, he also said that no player would be allowed to leave for medical whilst with the group. Would the players want to risk upsetting the national manager just days/weeks before the world cup? I don't think anything will happen, if it does, until after the world cup finishes anyway. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 4

9:03am Tue 20 May 14

killared says...

He won't go we all know that unless the club is desperate for money which we don't ! Anyway yesterday I saw a video of Morgan at Clairefontaine pick up his France kit bless him he was so happy !. I know it's not nice to wish anybody to be injured but I hope Mavuba get injured as he doesn't deserve to go to Brazil.
He won't go we all know that unless the club is desperate for money which we don't ! Anyway yesterday I saw a video of Morgan at Clairefontaine pick up his France kit bless him he was so happy !. I know it's not nice to wish anybody to be injured but I hope Mavuba get injured as he doesn't deserve to go to Brazil. killared
  • Score: 5

9:09am Tue 20 May 14

andoru says...

Mush On The Beach wrote:
andoru wrote:
pitbull wrote:
I watched an interview with Luke Shaw where he was talking about England and Southampton.
He spoke about the Saints using the term "WE", when players want to leave they usually use "They" to distance themselves from the club.

It's now gone quiet on the Adam and Mauricio rumours, it's now Morgans time.
Mind you, if you keep betting on horses without any knowledge eventually you'll end up with a winner.
I wouldn't read too much into that. The use of "we" is pretty natural. I say it to refer to my work team even though I hate most of my colleagues. He says it because right now he's a part of that team. I don't think I've ever heard a player use "they" because they're planning on leaving.
Paul Ince once got caught on film sporting a Manure shirt while he was still under contract at West Ham, that went down well for his future visits to East London.
Have we signed anyone yet? Time to write our own headlines.
Ha! Fair enough. Still, I don't read too much into the precise wording of things footballers say.
[quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pitbull[/bold] wrote: I watched an interview with Luke Shaw where he was talking about England and Southampton. He spoke about the Saints using the term "WE", when players want to leave they usually use "They" to distance themselves from the club. It's now gone quiet on the Adam and Mauricio rumours, it's now Morgans time. Mind you, if you keep betting on horses without any knowledge eventually you'll end up with a winner.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't read too much into that. The use of "we" is pretty natural. I say it to refer to my work team even though I hate most of my colleagues. He says it because right now he's a part of that team. I don't think I've ever heard a player use "they" because they're planning on leaving.[/p][/quote]Paul Ince once got caught on film sporting a Manure shirt while he was still under contract at West Ham, that went down well for his future visits to East London. Have we signed anyone yet? Time to write our own headlines.[/p][/quote]Ha! Fair enough. Still, I don't read too much into the precise wording of things footballers say. andoru
  • Score: 3

9:13am Tue 20 May 14

SiamSaint says...

andoru wrote:
Mush On The Beach wrote:
andoru wrote:
pitbull wrote:
I watched an interview with Luke Shaw where he was talking about England and Southampton.
He spoke about the Saints using the term "WE", when players want to leave they usually use "They" to distance themselves from the club.

It's now gone quiet on the Adam and Mauricio rumours, it's now Morgans time.
Mind you, if you keep betting on horses without any knowledge eventually you'll end up with a winner.
I wouldn't read too much into that. The use of "we" is pretty natural. I say it to refer to my work team even though I hate most of my colleagues. He says it because right now he's a part of that team. I don't think I've ever heard a player use "they" because they're planning on leaving.
Paul Ince once got caught on film sporting a Manure shirt while he was still under contract at West Ham, that went down well for his future visits to East London.
Have we signed anyone yet? Time to write our own headlines.
Ha! Fair enough. Still, I don't read too much into the precise wording of things footballers say.
Obviously. Like I said. The lads gave 110 per cent out there.
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pitbull[/bold] wrote: I watched an interview with Luke Shaw where he was talking about England and Southampton. He spoke about the Saints using the term "WE", when players want to leave they usually use "They" to distance themselves from the club. It's now gone quiet on the Adam and Mauricio rumours, it's now Morgans time. Mind you, if you keep betting on horses without any knowledge eventually you'll end up with a winner.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't read too much into that. The use of "we" is pretty natural. I say it to refer to my work team even though I hate most of my colleagues. He says it because right now he's a part of that team. I don't think I've ever heard a player use "they" because they're planning on leaving.[/p][/quote]Paul Ince once got caught on film sporting a Manure shirt while he was still under contract at West Ham, that went down well for his future visits to East London. Have we signed anyone yet? Time to write our own headlines.[/p][/quote]Ha! Fair enough. Still, I don't read too much into the precise wording of things footballers say.[/p][/quote]Obviously. Like I said. The lads gave 110 per cent out there. SiamSaint
  • Score: 3

9:19am Tue 20 May 14

Clever Dick says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
So the supposed 'first bid' has come down from £27mill to £25mill, when did that happen?
Did manure put in a bid that reduces over time?

Also manure want to get the deal done before the players leave for the world cup do they? Well as the echo said, they are in Portugal for a week and then come back for training and a friendly before jetting off to Miami. All that time they are with England and whilst they can talk to agents etc on their phones Roy has said he wouldn't be happy with that, he also said that no player would be allowed to leave for medical whilst with the group. Would the players want to risk upsetting the national manager just days/weeks before the world cup?
I don't think anything will happen, if it does, until after the world cup finishes anyway.
Yeah I reckon this is a Dutch auction.Manure are so overwhelmed with their own self importance that they are reducing the price by £1million a week. Take it or leave it.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: So the supposed 'first bid' has come down from £27mill to £25mill, when did that happen? Did manure put in a bid that reduces over time? Also manure want to get the deal done before the players leave for the world cup do they? Well as the echo said, they are in Portugal for a week and then come back for training and a friendly before jetting off to Miami. All that time they are with England and whilst they can talk to agents etc on their phones Roy has said he wouldn't be happy with that, he also said that no player would be allowed to leave for medical whilst with the group. Would the players want to risk upsetting the national manager just days/weeks before the world cup? I don't think anything will happen, if it does, until after the world cup finishes anyway.[/p][/quote]Yeah I reckon this is a Dutch auction.Manure are so overwhelmed with their own self importance that they are reducing the price by £1million a week. Take it or leave it. Clever Dick
  • Score: 1

9:28am Tue 20 May 14

smuggins says...

I think Man U will go for Ashley Cole.He would do a good job for them for a couple of seasons.
I think Man U will go for Ashley Cole.He would do a good job for them for a couple of seasons. smuggins
  • Score: 3

9:35am Tue 20 May 14

Costa Baz says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
So the supposed 'first bid' has come down from £27mill to £25mill, when did that happen? Did manure put in a bid that reduces over time? Also manure want to get the deal done before the players leave for the world cup do they? Well as the echo said, they are in Portugal for a week and then come back for training and a friendly before jetting off to Miami. All that time they are with England and whilst they can talk to agents etc on their phones Roy has said he wouldn't be happy with that, he also said that no player would be allowed to leave for medical whilst with the group. Would the players want to risk upsetting the national manager just days/weeks before the world cup? I don't think anything will happen, if it does, until after the world cup finishes anyway.
I've seen a comment about Roy not allowing agents to interfere with the players training, but I've also heard of a comment, where he says that if a player is on time off, and has the afternoon free, he wouldn't stop them from having a pre-transfer medical.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: So the supposed 'first bid' has come down from £27mill to £25mill, when did that happen? Did manure put in a bid that reduces over time? Also manure want to get the deal done before the players leave for the world cup do they? Well as the echo said, they are in Portugal for a week and then come back for training and a friendly before jetting off to Miami. All that time they are with England and whilst they can talk to agents etc on their phones Roy has said he wouldn't be happy with that, he also said that no player would be allowed to leave for medical whilst with the group. Would the players want to risk upsetting the national manager just days/weeks before the world cup? I don't think anything will happen, if it does, until after the world cup finishes anyway.[/p][/quote]I've seen a comment about Roy not allowing agents to interfere with the players training, but I've also heard of a comment, where he says that if a player is on time off, and has the afternoon free, he wouldn't stop them from having a pre-transfer medical. Costa Baz
  • Score: 2

9:36am Tue 20 May 14

JimmyLondon says...

SiamSaint wrote:
JimmyLondon wrote: nothing to do with ths ridiculous article but i hav heard rumours that paul williams and jason dodd are set to be sacked and replaced by 2 coaches of Poch's choice, rmour has it that he is not convinced that teh youth set-ups are playing this style. just arumor. Has anyone heard anything like this? if true t culd put weight behind poch staying as i do not think the club would make coaching schanges unless they were sure he would stay.
Apparently they are already gone! Big shame to see doddsy off, but if it means we keep MoPo I can live with it
Certainly is sad to see Dodd go. However, it does sound promising on he poch staying front. I cannot find anything official on the Dodd leaving though.
[quote][p][bold]SiamSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JimmyLondon[/bold] wrote: nothing to do with ths ridiculous article but i hav heard rumours that paul williams and jason dodd are set to be sacked and replaced by 2 coaches of Poch's choice, rmour has it that he is not convinced that teh youth set-ups are playing this style. just arumor. Has anyone heard anything like this? if true t culd put weight behind poch staying as i do not think the club would make coaching schanges unless they were sure he would stay.[/p][/quote]Apparently they are already gone! Big shame to see doddsy off, but if it means we keep MoPo I can live with it[/p][/quote]Certainly is sad to see Dodd go. However, it does sound promising on he poch staying front. I cannot find anything official on the Dodd leaving though. JimmyLondon
  • Score: 0

9:37am Tue 20 May 14

cotswoldsaint says...

SiamSaint wrote:
JimmyLondon wrote:
nothing to do with ths ridiculous article but i hav heard rumours that paul williams and jason dodd are set to be sacked and replaced by 2 coaches of Poch's choice, rmour has it that he is not convinced that teh youth set-ups are playing this style. just arumor. Has anyone heard anything like this? if true t culd put weight behind poch staying as i do not think the club would make coaching schanges unless they were sure he would stay.
Apparently they are already gone! Big shame to see doddsy off, but if it means we keep MoPo I can live with it
Yeah, what is happening re Jason Dodd? Perhaps the crack team on the DE sports desk could find out and let us know. Now that would be interesting!
[quote][p][bold]SiamSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JimmyLondon[/bold] wrote: nothing to do with ths ridiculous article but i hav heard rumours that paul williams and jason dodd are set to be sacked and replaced by 2 coaches of Poch's choice, rmour has it that he is not convinced that teh youth set-ups are playing this style. just arumor. Has anyone heard anything like this? if true t culd put weight behind poch staying as i do not think the club would make coaching schanges unless they were sure he would stay.[/p][/quote]Apparently they are already gone! Big shame to see doddsy off, but if it means we keep MoPo I can live with it[/p][/quote]Yeah, what is happening re Jason Dodd? Perhaps the crack team on the DE sports desk could find out and let us know. Now that would be interesting! cotswoldsaint
  • Score: 4

9:43am Tue 20 May 14

Malcombe says...

Luke Shaw may not be Van Gaal's choice and I hope he isn't but perhaps Van Gaal had been sounded out long before Moyes was pushed and wants Luke, I thought it was Moyes who started the rumblings of wanting Luke but who knows?.

As long as I have a hole in my bottom I cannot believe that the Saints board would undermined MP with the Ins and Outs of any of the Players they would be shooting there-selves in the foot it would be counter productive and MP would be off, Les Reed said in his comments that he discuses everything with MP who tells him what he wants on all the Playing side then Les passes MPs requirements to the board, I believe MP has total control of the Footballing side in the Club without any interference from anyone and that's how it should be, an example of a horrible scenario is MP would not want to Manage Cardiff because of Tan being the owner, MP would be walking on eggshells.

All us loyal Supporters want these rumours to stop and to hear true and honest facts and figures whether it's good or bad to put everything to bed and put all this wish wash and tittle tattle in the rubbish Bin.
Luke Shaw may not be Van Gaal's choice and I hope he isn't but perhaps Van Gaal had been sounded out long before Moyes was pushed and wants Luke, I thought it was Moyes who started the rumblings of wanting Luke but who knows?. As long as I have a hole in my bottom I cannot believe that the Saints board would undermined MP with the Ins and Outs of any of the Players they would be shooting there-selves in the foot it would be counter productive and MP would be off, Les Reed said in his comments that he discuses everything with MP who tells him what he wants on all the Playing side then Les passes MPs requirements to the board, I believe MP has total control of the Footballing side in the Club without any interference from anyone and that's how it should be, an example of a horrible scenario is MP would not want to Manage Cardiff because of Tan being the owner, MP would be walking on eggshells. All us loyal Supporters want these rumours to stop and to hear true and honest facts and figures whether it's good or bad to put everything to bed and put all this wish wash and tittle tattle in the rubbish Bin. Malcombe
  • Score: 0

9:48am Tue 20 May 14

JimmyLondon says...

cotswoldsaint wrote:
SiamSaint wrote:
JimmyLondon wrote: nothing to do with ths ridiculous article but i hav heard rumours that paul williams and jason dodd are set to be sacked and replaced by 2 coaches of Poch's choice, rmour has it that he is not convinced that teh youth set-ups are playing this style. just arumor. Has anyone heard anything like this? if true t culd put weight behind poch staying as i do not think the club would make coaching schanges unless they were sure he would stay.
Apparently they are already gone! Big shame to see doddsy off, but if it means we keep MoPo I can live with it
Yeah, what is happening re Jason Dodd? Perhaps the crack team on the DE sports desk could find out and let us know. Now that would be interesting!
Daily echo - investigative journalism now that would be the day!
[quote][p][bold]cotswoldsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SiamSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JimmyLondon[/bold] wrote: nothing to do with ths ridiculous article but i hav heard rumours that paul williams and jason dodd are set to be sacked and replaced by 2 coaches of Poch's choice, rmour has it that he is not convinced that teh youth set-ups are playing this style. just arumor. Has anyone heard anything like this? if true t culd put weight behind poch staying as i do not think the club would make coaching schanges unless they were sure he would stay.[/p][/quote]Apparently they are already gone! Big shame to see doddsy off, but if it means we keep MoPo I can live with it[/p][/quote]Yeah, what is happening re Jason Dodd? Perhaps the crack team on the DE sports desk could find out and let us know. Now that would be interesting![/p][/quote]Daily echo - investigative journalism now that would be the day! JimmyLondon
  • Score: 0

9:51am Tue 20 May 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

killared wrote:
He won't go we all know that unless the club is desperate for money which we don't ! Anyway yesterday I saw a video of Morgan at Clairefontaine pick up his France kit bless him he was so happy !. I know it's not nice to wish anybody to be injured but I hope Mavuba get injured as he doesn't deserve to go to Brazil.
I saw that, too. Also, note Richard's comment near the top of this thread.

I wouldn't wish for any player to lose his dream through injury (think 'Jay') but it would be wonderful for Morgan (and Alsace) if he did go to Brazil.

Alas, with regards to Morgan, as others have mentioned, there's yet another bit of rag stirring this morning:

http://www.express.c
o.uk/sport/football/
476939/I-want-Champi
ons-League-football-
Arsenal-ready-to-pou
nce-for-Saints-Morga
n-Schneiderlin

It really is getting so utterly, utterly boring now. Imagine how it's going to be when they all get back from Brazil.
[quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: He won't go we all know that unless the club is desperate for money which we don't ! Anyway yesterday I saw a video of Morgan at Clairefontaine pick up his France kit bless him he was so happy !. I know it's not nice to wish anybody to be injured but I hope Mavuba get injured as he doesn't deserve to go to Brazil.[/p][/quote]I saw that, too. Also, note Richard's comment near the top of this thread. I wouldn't wish for any player to lose his dream through injury (think 'Jay') but it would be wonderful for Morgan (and Alsace) if he did go to Brazil. Alas, with regards to Morgan, as others have mentioned, there's yet another bit of rag stirring this morning: http://www.express.c o.uk/sport/football/ 476939/I-want-Champi ons-League-football- Arsenal-ready-to-pou nce-for-Saints-Morga n-Schneiderlin It really is getting so utterly, utterly boring now. Imagine how it's going to be when they all get back from Brazil. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 0

10:09am Tue 20 May 14

Santa Retfordia says...

Can I just point out to all the Echo-bashers that this is a service you get for free so you don't really have any right to complain about it. It's like going up to a busker in the street and telling him he's out of tune.

If you don't like it then ignore it and do something else.
Can I just point out to all the Echo-bashers that this is a service you get for free so you don't really have any right to complain about it. It's like going up to a busker in the street and telling him he's out of tune. If you don't like it then ignore it and do something else. Santa Retfordia
  • Score: 3

10:22am Tue 20 May 14

JimmyLondon says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
Can I just point out to all the Echo-bashers that this is a service you get for free so you don't really have any right to complain about it. It's like going up to a busker in the street and telling him he's out of tune. If you don't like it then ignore it and do something else.
A free service has nothing to do with it. The echo is a business that get's paid by hits on this site from us and from the avertising companies. This site is an extension of the paper which is not free. The whole point of being a journalist is to report the news, better still, to report the news that they have investigated. If the level of reporting was more than the cutting and pasting other peoples work, then perhaps one would be happy to pay for theservice!!!
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: Can I just point out to all the Echo-bashers that this is a service you get for free so you don't really have any right to complain about it. It's like going up to a busker in the street and telling him he's out of tune. If you don't like it then ignore it and do something else.[/p][/quote]A free service has nothing to do with it. The echo is a business that get's paid by hits on this site from us and from the avertising companies. This site is an extension of the paper which is not free. The whole point of being a journalist is to report the news, better still, to report the news that they have investigated. If the level of reporting was more than the cutting and pasting other peoples work, then perhaps one would be happy to pay for theservice!!! JimmyLondon
  • Score: 3

10:24am Tue 20 May 14

SiamSaint says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
killared wrote:
He won't go we all know that unless the club is desperate for money which we don't ! Anyway yesterday I saw a video of Morgan at Clairefontaine pick up his France kit bless him he was so happy !. I know it's not nice to wish anybody to be injured but I hope Mavuba get injured as he doesn't deserve to go to Brazil.
I saw that, too. Also, note Richard's comment near the top of this thread.

I wouldn't wish for any player to lose his dream through injury (think 'Jay') but it would be wonderful for Morgan (and Alsace) if he did go to Brazil.

Alas, with regards to Morgan, as others have mentioned, there's yet another bit of rag stirring this morning:

http://www.express.c

o.uk/sport/football/

476939/I-want-Champi

ons-League-football-

Arsenal-ready-to-pou

nce-for-Saints-Morga

n-Schneiderlin

It really is getting so utterly, utterly boring now. Imagine how it's going to be when they all get back from Brazil.
Yeah,,, with medals and golden boots!
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: He won't go we all know that unless the club is desperate for money which we don't ! Anyway yesterday I saw a video of Morgan at Clairefontaine pick up his France kit bless him he was so happy !. I know it's not nice to wish anybody to be injured but I hope Mavuba get injured as he doesn't deserve to go to Brazil.[/p][/quote]I saw that, too. Also, note Richard's comment near the top of this thread. I wouldn't wish for any player to lose his dream through injury (think 'Jay') but it would be wonderful for Morgan (and Alsace) if he did go to Brazil. Alas, with regards to Morgan, as others have mentioned, there's yet another bit of rag stirring this morning: http://www.express.c o.uk/sport/football/ 476939/I-want-Champi ons-League-football- Arsenal-ready-to-pou nce-for-Saints-Morga n-Schneiderlin It really is getting so utterly, utterly boring now. Imagine how it's going to be when they all get back from Brazil.[/p][/quote]Yeah,,, with medals and golden boots! SiamSaint
  • Score: 1

10:26am Tue 20 May 14

Alicesdad says...

Isn't there anything on the Tweety world thingy? Shaw made a comment there about Dodd apparently .. I have no idea as I'm still getting used to direct dial STD phones.. so the internet world of twatter and infragram is beyond me .. apart from the cutting edge of these threads of course.

Neither club or the player has said anything -- so how can it be said that they are stepping up their efforts to sign him ? There should be a new website for these stories .. I suggest we call it Twaddle and you can all become Twaddlers.

This article is most definitely Twaddle.
Isn't there anything on the Tweety world thingy? Shaw made a comment there about Dodd apparently .. I have no idea as I'm still getting used to direct dial STD phones.. so the internet world of twatter and infragram is beyond me .. apart from the cutting edge of these threads of course. Neither club or the player has said anything -- so how can it be said that they are stepping up their efforts to sign him ? There should be a new website for these stories .. I suggest we call it Twaddle and you can all become Twaddlers. This article is most definitely Twaddle. Alicesdad
  • Score: 1

10:31am Tue 20 May 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
Can I just point out to all the Echo-bashers that this is a service you get for free so you don't really have any right to complain about it. It's like going up to a busker in the street and telling him he's out of tune.

If you don't like it then ignore it and do something else.
Nothing's for free Retford but, even if it were, people have the right to express their opinion (possibly in the hope of bringing about positive change). More important for me is for our opinions to be balanced. I knock or praise the DE depending on what I think it deserves.

Anyway, if you really believe your post, how come you encourage us not to go on the Daily Mail website on the grounds that we put money into its blue-rinse pockets?

More importantly, what's for lunch today? I think you should move on from cheese and tomato. Have you tried spam? I love spam. I'm having spam, spam, spam, spam, bacon, egg and spam ...............
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: Can I just point out to all the Echo-bashers that this is a service you get for free so you don't really have any right to complain about it. It's like going up to a busker in the street and telling him he's out of tune. If you don't like it then ignore it and do something else.[/p][/quote]Nothing's for free Retford but, even if it were, people have the right to express their opinion (possibly in the hope of bringing about positive change). More important for me is for our opinions to be balanced. I knock or praise the DE depending on what I think it deserves. Anyway, if you really believe your post, how come you encourage us not to go on the Daily Mail website on the grounds that we put money into its blue-rinse pockets? More importantly, what's for lunch today? I think you should move on from cheese and tomato. Have you tried spam? I love spam. I'm having spam, spam, spam, spam, bacon, egg and spam ............... Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 1

10:43am Tue 20 May 14

Santa Retfordia says...

JimmyLondon wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Can I just point out to all the Echo-bashers that this is a service you get for free so you don't really have any right to complain about it. It's like going up to a busker in the street and telling him he's out of tune. If you don't like it then ignore it and do something else.
A free service has nothing to do with it. The echo is a business that get's paid by hits on this site from us and from the avertising companies. This site is an extension of the paper which is not free. The whole point of being a journalist is to report the news, better still, to report the news that they have investigated. If the level of reporting was more than the cutting and pasting other peoples work, then perhaps one would be happy to pay for theservice!!!
I don’t agree. If you paid a plumber to fix your bathroom and you came back to find your cat on fire in the sink and a massive turd right in the middle of your bath then, yes, you would have legitimate grounds to feel in some way aggrieved. But the Echo offers you free news – some of which is essentially just aggregated content from the tabloids and some of which comes from their own investigation – and you can’t really moan about that service when you happen not to like the news in question.

Journalists are part of the swelling ranks of people in the media and creative industries expected to work either for nothing or very little, despite the increasing workloads brought about by the constant demands of the internet. Not every story is going to be Watergate but I think that as a paper of record the Echo does at least have to acknowledge what is being said by other papers so, y’know, cut them some slack.
[quote][p][bold]JimmyLondon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: Can I just point out to all the Echo-bashers that this is a service you get for free so you don't really have any right to complain about it. It's like going up to a busker in the street and telling him he's out of tune. If you don't like it then ignore it and do something else.[/p][/quote]A free service has nothing to do with it. The echo is a business that get's paid by hits on this site from us and from the avertising companies. This site is an extension of the paper which is not free. The whole point of being a journalist is to report the news, better still, to report the news that they have investigated. If the level of reporting was more than the cutting and pasting other peoples work, then perhaps one would be happy to pay for theservice!!![/p][/quote]I don’t agree. If you paid a plumber to fix your bathroom and you came back to find your cat on fire in the sink and a massive turd right in the middle of your bath then, yes, you would have legitimate grounds to feel in some way aggrieved. But the Echo offers you free news – some of which is essentially just aggregated content from the tabloids and some of which comes from their own investigation – and you can’t really moan about that service when you happen not to like the news in question. Journalists are part of the swelling ranks of people in the media and creative industries expected to work either for nothing or very little, despite the increasing workloads brought about by the constant demands of the internet. Not every story is going to be Watergate but I think that as a paper of record the Echo does at least have to acknowledge what is being said by other papers so, y’know, cut them some slack. Santa Retfordia
  • Score: 2

10:47am Tue 20 May 14

george chivers says...

Alicesdad wrote:
Isn't there anything on the Tweety world thingy? Shaw made a comment there about Dodd apparently .. I have no idea as I'm still getting used to direct dial STD phones.. so the internet world of twatter and infragram is beyond me .. apart from the cutting edge of these threads of course.

Neither club or the player has said anything -- so how can it be said that they are stepping up their efforts to sign him ? There should be a new website for these stories .. I suggest we call it Twaddle and you can all become Twaddlers.

This article is most definitely Twaddle.
If you really dislike the articles so much on this site why don't you just stop reading them. Then you would be a lot happier and you wouldn't have to share your whinging misery with us.

Or alternatively start your own digital newspaper and publish positive articles only about SFC. Trouble is that is not commercially viable.

Or just admit you love gossip like the rest of us,
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Isn't there anything on the Tweety world thingy? Shaw made a comment there about Dodd apparently .. I have no idea as I'm still getting used to direct dial STD phones.. so the internet world of twatter and infragram is beyond me .. apart from the cutting edge of these threads of course. Neither club or the player has said anything -- so how can it be said that they are stepping up their efforts to sign him ? There should be a new website for these stories .. I suggest we call it Twaddle and you can all become Twaddlers. This article is most definitely Twaddle.[/p][/quote]If you really dislike the articles so much on this site why don't you just stop reading them. Then you would be a lot happier and you wouldn't have to share your whinging misery with us. Or alternatively start your own digital newspaper and publish positive articles only about SFC. Trouble is that is not commercially viable. Or just admit you love gossip like the rest of us, george chivers
  • Score: -1

11:39am Tue 20 May 14

JimmyLondon says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
JimmyLondon wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote: Can I just point out to all the Echo-bashers that this is a service you get for free so you don't really have any right to complain about it. It's like going up to a busker in the street and telling him he's out of tune. If you don't like it then ignore it and do something else.
A free service has nothing to do with it. The echo is a business that get's paid by hits on this site from us and from the avertising companies. This site is an extension of the paper which is not free. The whole point of being a journalist is to report the news, better still, to report the news that they have investigated. If the level of reporting was more than the cutting and pasting other peoples work, then perhaps one would be happy to pay for theservice!!!
I don’t agree. If you paid a plumber to fix your bathroom and you came back to find your cat on fire in the sink and a massive turd right in the middle of your bath then, yes, you would have legitimate grounds to feel in some way aggrieved. But the Echo offers you free news – some of which is essentially just aggregated content from the tabloids and some of which comes from their own investigation – and you can’t really moan about that service when you happen not to like the news in question. Journalists are part of the swelling ranks of people in the media and creative industries expected to work either for nothing or very little, despite the increasing workloads brought about by the constant demands of the internet. Not every story is going to be Watergate but I think that as a paper of record the Echo does at least have to acknowledge what is being said by other papers so, y’know, cut them some slack.
You have gone off on an irrelevant tangent more in line with some self righteous crusade that journalists do not get paid and are overworked. Well let me tell you that those that are worth their salt get paid very well. The Dodd story has just been published by the Echo, our local paper. The Echo was the last newspaper to print the story. Slack were slack is due. Are you telling me that if I could find out about the rumour early this morning and post it how the echo could not have found out about it.
Now let is move on to your nonsensical remarks about plumber’s cats and buskers. Irrelevant completely. We are talking about paid journalists that are paid to do a job. Perhaps if they did it better they would get paid better. I am not here to bash the echo but really do you honestly believe that they are performing their tasks with passion and diligence. I think not. Lazy reporting at best.
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JimmyLondon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: Can I just point out to all the Echo-bashers that this is a service you get for free so you don't really have any right to complain about it. It's like going up to a busker in the street and telling him he's out of tune. If you don't like it then ignore it and do something else.[/p][/quote]A free service has nothing to do with it. The echo is a business that get's paid by hits on this site from us and from the avertising companies. This site is an extension of the paper which is not free. The whole point of being a journalist is to report the news, better still, to report the news that they have investigated. If the level of reporting was more than the cutting and pasting other peoples work, then perhaps one would be happy to pay for theservice!!![/p][/quote]I don’t agree. If you paid a plumber to fix your bathroom and you came back to find your cat on fire in the sink and a massive turd right in the middle of your bath then, yes, you would have legitimate grounds to feel in some way aggrieved. But the Echo offers you free news – some of which is essentially just aggregated content from the tabloids and some of which comes from their own investigation – and you can’t really moan about that service when you happen not to like the news in question. Journalists are part of the swelling ranks of people in the media and creative industries expected to work either for nothing or very little, despite the increasing workloads brought about by the constant demands of the internet. Not every story is going to be Watergate but I think that as a paper of record the Echo does at least have to acknowledge what is being said by other papers so, y’know, cut them some slack.[/p][/quote]You have gone off on an irrelevant tangent more in line with some self righteous crusade that journalists do not get paid and are overworked. Well let me tell you that those that are worth their salt get paid very well. The Dodd story has just been published by the Echo, our local paper. The Echo was the last newspaper to print the story. Slack were slack is due. Are you telling me that if I could find out about the rumour early this morning and post it how the echo could not have found out about it. Now let is move on to your nonsensical remarks about plumber’s cats and buskers. Irrelevant completely. We are talking about paid journalists that are paid to do a job. Perhaps if they did it better they would get paid better. I am not here to bash the echo but really do you honestly believe that they are performing their tasks with passion and diligence. I think not. Lazy reporting at best. JimmyLondon
  • Score: 0

1:24pm Tue 20 May 14

milton road says...

Again a media onslaught about our players.
The Football director says no one is for sale unless MP wants to sell.
It was obvious we were going to get big bids coming in.
I think the complications are not only around MP's signing, his back room staff have to sign as well.
I also think our top players will seek wage rises within their contract to stay.
None of this is five minute stuff. We were the third lowest wage payer in the premier, if we want to challenge for Europe not only do we have to bring in the right people but also pay the right players the right wage.
Everything so far is newspaper rumour and gossip. There seems a concerted effort to dismantle our team right across the media. Each copying the others bloggs, including the Echo.
If our youth team have gone, I somehow think it is linked to MP.
Even if Luke wants to go I don't think Saints will settle much under 40m
Again a media onslaught about our players. The Football director says no one is for sale unless MP wants to sell. It was obvious we were going to get big bids coming in. I think the complications are not only around MP's signing, his back room staff have to sign as well. I also think our top players will seek wage rises within their contract to stay. None of this is five minute stuff. We were the third lowest wage payer in the premier, if we want to challenge for Europe not only do we have to bring in the right people but also pay the right players the right wage. Everything so far is newspaper rumour and gossip. There seems a concerted effort to dismantle our team right across the media. Each copying the others bloggs, including the Echo. If our youth team have gone, I somehow think it is linked to MP. Even if Luke wants to go I don't think Saints will settle much under 40m milton road
  • Score: 1

1:37pm Tue 20 May 14

Alicesdad says...

george chivers wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Isn't there anything on the Tweety world thingy? Shaw made a comment there about Dodd apparently .. I have no idea as I'm still getting used to direct dial STD phones.. so the internet world of twatter and infragram is beyond me .. apart from the cutting edge of these threads of course.

Neither club or the player has said anything -- so how can it be said that they are stepping up their efforts to sign him ? There should be a new website for these stories .. I suggest we call it Twaddle and you can all become Twaddlers.

This article is most definitely Twaddle.
If you really dislike the articles so much on this site why don't you just stop reading them. Then you would be a lot happier and you wouldn't have to share your whinging misery with us.

Or alternatively start your own digital newspaper and publish positive articles only about SFC. Trouble is that is not commercially viable.

Or just admit you love gossip like the rest of us,
Oh dear I've ruffled feathers. Have some tea and help yourself to a biscuit.

But you have a point. I do love gossip like the rest.. but Im not really basking in whinging misery.. Im just practicing for when I do want to whinge.

I just get a bit tired of the dead periods when the stories are cooked up to fill space even when there is no substance.

..anyway how do I go about starting a digital newspaper? .......
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Isn't there anything on the Tweety world thingy? Shaw made a comment there about Dodd apparently .. I have no idea as I'm still getting used to direct dial STD phones.. so the internet world of twatter and infragram is beyond me .. apart from the cutting edge of these threads of course. Neither club or the player has said anything -- so how can it be said that they are stepping up their efforts to sign him ? There should be a new website for these stories .. I suggest we call it Twaddle and you can all become Twaddlers. This article is most definitely Twaddle.[/p][/quote]If you really dislike the articles so much on this site why don't you just stop reading them. Then you would be a lot happier and you wouldn't have to share your whinging misery with us. Or alternatively start your own digital newspaper and publish positive articles only about SFC. Trouble is that is not commercially viable. Or just admit you love gossip like the rest of us,[/p][/quote]Oh dear I've ruffled feathers. Have some tea and help yourself to a biscuit. But you have a point. I do love gossip like the rest.. but Im not really basking in whinging misery.. Im just practicing for when I do want to whinge. I just get a bit tired of the dead periods when the stories are cooked up to fill space even when there is no substance. ..anyway how do I go about starting a digital newspaper? ....... Alicesdad
  • Score: -1

1:55pm Tue 20 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Alicesdad wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Isn't there anything on the Tweety world thingy? Shaw made a comment there about Dodd apparently .. I have no idea as I'm still getting used to direct dial STD phones.. so the internet world of twatter and infragram is beyond me .. apart from the cutting edge of these threads of course.

Neither club or the player has said anything -- so how can it be said that they are stepping up their efforts to sign him ? There should be a new website for these stories .. I suggest we call it Twaddle and you can all become Twaddlers.

This article is most definitely Twaddle.
If you really dislike the articles so much on this site why don't you just stop reading them. Then you would be a lot happier and you wouldn't have to share your whinging misery with us.

Or alternatively start your own digital newspaper and publish positive articles only about SFC. Trouble is that is not commercially viable.

Or just admit you love gossip like the rest of us,
Oh dear I've ruffled feathers. Have some tea and help yourself to a biscuit.

But you have a point. I do love gossip like the rest.. but Im not really basking in whinging misery.. Im just practicing for when I do want to whinge.

I just get a bit tired of the dead periods when the stories are cooked up to fill space even when there is no substance.

..anyway how do I go about starting a digital newspaper? .......
I think you might need some `digitals` first, don't know where you can get any though, perhaps currys digital might have some.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Isn't there anything on the Tweety world thingy? Shaw made a comment there about Dodd apparently .. I have no idea as I'm still getting used to direct dial STD phones.. so the internet world of twatter and infragram is beyond me .. apart from the cutting edge of these threads of course. Neither club or the player has said anything -- so how can it be said that they are stepping up their efforts to sign him ? There should be a new website for these stories .. I suggest we call it Twaddle and you can all become Twaddlers. This article is most definitely Twaddle.[/p][/quote]If you really dislike the articles so much on this site why don't you just stop reading them. Then you would be a lot happier and you wouldn't have to share your whinging misery with us. Or alternatively start your own digital newspaper and publish positive articles only about SFC. Trouble is that is not commercially viable. Or just admit you love gossip like the rest of us,[/p][/quote]Oh dear I've ruffled feathers. Have some tea and help yourself to a biscuit. But you have a point. I do love gossip like the rest.. but Im not really basking in whinging misery.. Im just practicing for when I do want to whinge. I just get a bit tired of the dead periods when the stories are cooked up to fill space even when there is no substance. ..anyway how do I go about starting a digital newspaper? .......[/p][/quote]I think you might need some `digitals` first, don't know where you can get any though, perhaps currys digital might have some. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 0

2:58pm Tue 20 May 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Alicesdad wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Isn't there anything on the Tweety world thingy? Shaw made a comment there about Dodd apparently .. I have no idea as I'm still getting used to direct dial STD phones.. so the internet world of twatter and infragram is beyond me .. apart from the cutting edge of these threads of course.

Neither club or the player has said anything -- so how can it be said that they are stepping up their efforts to sign him ? There should be a new website for these stories .. I suggest we call it Twaddle and you can all become Twaddlers.

This article is most definitely Twaddle.
If you really dislike the articles so much on this site why don't you just stop reading them. Then you would be a lot happier and you wouldn't have to share your whinging misery with us.

Or alternatively start your own digital newspaper and publish positive articles only about SFC. Trouble is that is not commercially viable.

Or just admit you love gossip like the rest of us,
Oh dear I've ruffled feathers. Have some tea and help yourself to a biscuit.

But you have a point. I do love gossip like the rest.. but Im not really basking in whinging misery.. Im just practicing for when I do want to whinge.

I just get a bit tired of the dead periods when the stories are cooked up to fill space even when there is no substance.

..anyway how do I go about starting a digital newspaper? .......
Generally uncontrolled digital newspapers aren't worth the paper they are printed on..........
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Isn't there anything on the Tweety world thingy? Shaw made a comment there about Dodd apparently .. I have no idea as I'm still getting used to direct dial STD phones.. so the internet world of twatter and infragram is beyond me .. apart from the cutting edge of these threads of course. Neither club or the player has said anything -- so how can it be said that they are stepping up their efforts to sign him ? There should be a new website for these stories .. I suggest we call it Twaddle and you can all become Twaddlers. This article is most definitely Twaddle.[/p][/quote]If you really dislike the articles so much on this site why don't you just stop reading them. Then you would be a lot happier and you wouldn't have to share your whinging misery with us. Or alternatively start your own digital newspaper and publish positive articles only about SFC. Trouble is that is not commercially viable. Or just admit you love gossip like the rest of us,[/p][/quote]Oh dear I've ruffled feathers. Have some tea and help yourself to a biscuit. But you have a point. I do love gossip like the rest.. but Im not really basking in whinging misery.. Im just practicing for when I do want to whinge. I just get a bit tired of the dead periods when the stories are cooked up to fill space even when there is no substance. ..anyway how do I go about starting a digital newspaper? .......[/p][/quote]Generally uncontrolled digital newspapers aren't worth the paper they are printed on.......... OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

3:43pm Tue 20 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
JimmyLondon wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Can I just point out to all the Echo-bashers that this is a service you get for free so you don't really have any right to complain about it. It's like going up to a busker in the street and telling him he's out of tune. If you don't like it then ignore it and do something else.
A free service has nothing to do with it. The echo is a business that get's paid by hits on this site from us and from the avertising companies. This site is an extension of the paper which is not free. The whole point of being a journalist is to report the news, better still, to report the news that they have investigated. If the level of reporting was more than the cutting and pasting other peoples work, then perhaps one would be happy to pay for theservice!!!
I don’t agree. If you paid a plumber to fix your bathroom and you came back to find your cat on fire in the sink and a massive turd right in the middle of your bath then, yes, you would have legitimate grounds to feel in some way aggrieved. But the Echo offers you free news – some of which is essentially just aggregated content from the tabloids and some of which comes from their own investigation – and you can’t really moan about that service when you happen not to like the news in question.

Journalists are part of the swelling ranks of people in the media and creative industries expected to work either for nothing or very little, despite the increasing workloads brought about by the constant demands of the internet. Not every story is going to be Watergate but I think that as a paper of record the Echo does at least have to acknowledge what is being said by other papers so, y’know, cut them some slack.
Stret, I`m kind of with you on this, although I can see both sides.
its very annoying that we only seem to get negative stories, which are mostly based on rumours, from the echo. we had one story about JWP and Lloyd Isgrove in the U-21`s, has there been a story on josh sims reaching the U-17`s euro final against Holland?
problem is though that these rumour stories generate more site traffic which generates extra revenue for the paper.
I don't understand why people moan about the echo `cut and pasting` stories from the nationals, after all that's how the nationals get a lot of their stories. as Stret said if you don't like a story don't read it.
again though as Stras said criticising might force change , but surely that should be constructive criticism not just berating the paper for doing their job.
a couple of days ago the echo ran a story on MP`s odds coming right in for the spuds job, since then his odds have drifted slightly whilst mankini`s odds have more than halved, yet there is no follow up. can the echo not investigate who placed the bets that shortened MP`s odds? wouldn't it be funny if they were placed by people connected with the `reporter` from the national that keeps running stories about us?
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JimmyLondon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: Can I just point out to all the Echo-bashers that this is a service you get for free so you don't really have any right to complain about it. It's like going up to a busker in the street and telling him he's out of tune. If you don't like it then ignore it and do something else.[/p][/quote]A free service has nothing to do with it. The echo is a business that get's paid by hits on this site from us and from the avertising companies. This site is an extension of the paper which is not free. The whole point of being a journalist is to report the news, better still, to report the news that they have investigated. If the level of reporting was more than the cutting and pasting other peoples work, then perhaps one would be happy to pay for theservice!!![/p][/quote]I don’t agree. If you paid a plumber to fix your bathroom and you came back to find your cat on fire in the sink and a massive turd right in the middle of your bath then, yes, you would have legitimate grounds to feel in some way aggrieved. But the Echo offers you free news – some of which is essentially just aggregated content from the tabloids and some of which comes from their own investigation – and you can’t really moan about that service when you happen not to like the news in question. Journalists are part of the swelling ranks of people in the media and creative industries expected to work either for nothing or very little, despite the increasing workloads brought about by the constant demands of the internet. Not every story is going to be Watergate but I think that as a paper of record the Echo does at least have to acknowledge what is being said by other papers so, y’know, cut them some slack.[/p][/quote]Stret, I`m kind of with you on this, although I can see both sides. its very annoying that we only seem to get negative stories, which are mostly based on rumours, from the echo. we had one story about JWP and Lloyd Isgrove in the U-21`s, has there been a story on josh sims reaching the U-17`s euro final against Holland? problem is though that these rumour stories generate more site traffic which generates extra revenue for the paper. I don't understand why people moan about the echo `cut and pasting` stories from the nationals, after all that's how the nationals get a lot of their stories. as Stret said if you don't like a story don't read it. again though as Stras said criticising might force change , but surely that should be constructive criticism not just berating the paper for doing their job. a couple of days ago the echo ran a story on MP`s odds coming right in for the spuds job, since then his odds have drifted slightly whilst mankini`s odds have more than halved, yet there is no follow up. can the echo not investigate who placed the bets that shortened MP`s odds? wouldn't it be funny if they were placed by people connected with the `reporter` from the national that keeps running stories about us? el caballo santos101
  • Score: 2

3:59pm Tue 20 May 14

SnapperSaint says...

Yeah another phantom bid for Shaw... line 'em up why don't you...'cos they're all just paper talk!
Yeah another phantom bid for Shaw... line 'em up why don't you...'cos they're all just paper talk! SnapperSaint
  • Score: 0

4:14pm Tue 20 May 14

Malcombe says...

After all the rumours and tittle tattle here is a bit of transparent honest news for once. Last Friday May the 16th our female friend was in the queue at Faro Airport Portugal to return to Gatwick and 2 adults behind her was Adam Lallana with his wife and baby, what was significant about that? according to the media he was suppose to of been seen at Liverpool that week!!
After all the rumours and tittle tattle here is a bit of transparent honest news for once. Last Friday May the 16th our female friend was in the queue at Faro Airport Portugal to return to Gatwick and 2 adults behind her was Adam Lallana with his wife and baby, what was significant about that? according to the media he was suppose to of been seen at Liverpool that week!! Malcombe
  • Score: 3

5:57pm Tue 20 May 14

upwherewebelong says...

Am I missing something but surely it is as simple as this if Man United have bid and we don't want to sell we just tell them that. I wonder whether the club are trying to get all the season ticket renewal money in first before agreeing to any outgoing transfers that will upset the fans. The biggest disappointment for me is that the club have not been stronger in their response to the Hate Mail's venomous campaign against our club. A threat of legal action would probably do the job OR a very strongly worded statement re the financial health and refusal to sell players that MP or any manager wants to keep.
Am I missing something but surely it is as simple as this if Man United have bid and we don't want to sell we just tell them that. I wonder whether the club are trying to get all the season ticket renewal money in first before agreeing to any outgoing transfers that will upset the fans. The biggest disappointment for me is that the club have not been stronger in their response to the Hate Mail's venomous campaign against our club. A threat of legal action would probably do the job OR a very strongly worded statement re the financial health and refusal to sell players that MP or any manager wants to keep. upwherewebelong
  • Score: -1

6:27pm Tue 20 May 14

saintforever says...

apparently shaw gone for 35with add ons.
apparently shaw gone for 35with add ons. saintforever
  • Score: -2

6:37pm Tue 20 May 14

NC Fan4Life says...

Luke has a contract here so we tell Manure where to go especially at the reported offers which are well under valued.
Luke is a quality player and at just 18 he has at least 15 seasons playing at a top level. With transfer fees increasing over that period I think he is worth an average of £3 or even £4m per season, therefore my valuation is 15 x £3m is at least £45m plus. Anyone disagree ?
Luke has a contract here so we tell Manure where to go especially at the reported offers which are well under valued. Luke is a quality player and at just 18 he has at least 15 seasons playing at a top level. With transfer fees increasing over that period I think he is worth an average of £3 or even £4m per season, therefore my valuation is 15 x £3m is at least £45m plus. Anyone disagree ? NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 1

6:54pm Tue 20 May 14

Freddie Flowerpot says...

It's being reported by numerous sources that the deal is done for around £27M

Daily Express, Daily Mirror, Manchester Evening News and Daily Mail.

They won't all be lying.
It's being reported by numerous sources that the deal is done for around £27M Daily Express, Daily Mirror, Manchester Evening News and Daily Mail. They won't all be lying. Freddie Flowerpot
  • Score: -3

7:22pm Tue 20 May 14

warrens 76 says...

Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
It's being reported by numerous sources that the deal is done for around £27M

Daily Express, Daily Mirror, Manchester Evening News and Daily Mail.

They won't all be lying.
Oh yes they will Kent141.
[quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: It's being reported by numerous sources that the deal is done for around £27M Daily Express, Daily Mirror, Manchester Evening News and Daily Mail. They won't all be lying.[/p][/quote]Oh yes they will Kent141. warrens 76
  • Score: 4

7:36pm Tue 20 May 14

buckeroo says...

echo reporters, you are becoming as bad as the daily mail ****, we know you have to write something,but its the same old boring **** every day. no wonder i dont buy your paper. do you have neil ashton of the daily mail working for you. hes the biggest one to spread rumours. there boring, deals would have been done by now.no one is leaving, hows that for a story.
echo reporters, you are becoming as bad as the daily mail ****, we know you have to write something,but its the same old boring **** every day. no wonder i dont buy your paper. do you have neil ashton of the daily mail working for you. hes the biggest one to spread rumours. there boring, deals would have been done by now.no one is leaving, hows that for a story. buckeroo
  • Score: 1

7:38pm Tue 20 May 14

buckeroo says...

AND IF SHAW AND LALLANA HAVE A BRILLIANT WORLD CUP, YOUR GONNA BE DOUBLING THE VALUES THATS GOING AROUND
AND IF SHAW AND LALLANA HAVE A BRILLIANT WORLD CUP, YOUR GONNA BE DOUBLING THE VALUES THATS GOING AROUND buckeroo
  • Score: 0

7:57pm Tue 20 May 14

Freddie Flowerpot says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
It's being reported by numerous sources that the deal is done for around £27M

Daily Express, Daily Mirror, Manchester Evening News and Daily Mail.

They won't all be lying.
Oh yes they will Kent141.
No need to be abusive is there ? Journalists at major national newspapers cannot just make up stories, if they do they tend to get fired, it happens.

Franky I can't see any journalist, let alone several, sticking their neck on the line over a story regarding a player with great potential, but hardly a household name. It's a shame so many on here would rather bury their heads in the sand and chuck insults around against anyone who can see that this deal IS going to happen, whether you can cope with it or not.

Ask yourself the question, if you were Luke Shaw and you had the chance of joining one of the worlds biggest clubs, playing in the CL and challenging for honours each season, plus the financial benefits, could you say no?

The money the club get from this will only help boost the squad in some key areas where the team is short on quality.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: It's being reported by numerous sources that the deal is done for around £27M Daily Express, Daily Mirror, Manchester Evening News and Daily Mail. They won't all be lying.[/p][/quote]Oh yes they will Kent141.[/p][/quote]No need to be abusive is there ? Journalists at major national newspapers cannot just make up stories, if they do they tend to get fired, it happens. Franky I can't see any journalist, let alone several, sticking their neck on the line over a story regarding a player with great potential, but hardly a household name. It's a shame so many on here would rather bury their heads in the sand and chuck insults around against anyone who can see that this deal IS going to happen, whether you can cope with it or not. Ask yourself the question, if you were Luke Shaw and you had the chance of joining one of the worlds biggest clubs, playing in the CL and challenging for honours each season, plus the financial benefits, could you say no? The money the club get from this will only help boost the squad in some key areas where the team is short on quality. Freddie Flowerpot
  • Score: -2

8:29pm Tue 20 May 14

Jan28th1984 says...

"Journalists at major national newspapers cannot just make up stories."

Are you for real?
"Journalists at major national newspapers cannot just make up stories." Are you for real? Jan28th1984
  • Score: 3

8:40pm Tue 20 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
It's being reported by numerous sources that the deal is done for around £27M

Daily Express, Daily Mirror, Manchester Evening News and Daily Mail.

They won't all be lying.
Oh yes they will Kent141.
No need to be abusive is there ? Journalists at major national newspapers cannot just make up stories, if they do they tend to get fired, it happens.

Franky I can't see any journalist, let alone several, sticking their neck on the line over a story regarding a player with great potential, but hardly a household name. It's a shame so many on here would rather bury their heads in the sand and chuck insults around against anyone who can see that this deal IS going to happen, whether you can cope with it or not.

Ask yourself the question, if you were Luke Shaw and you had the chance of joining one of the worlds biggest clubs, playing in the CL and challenging for honours each season, plus the financial benefits, could you say no?

The money the club get from this will only help boost the squad in some key areas where the team is short on quality.
manure are NOT in the champs league though are they, and what `honours` did they challenge for this season?
people aren't `burying their heads in the sand` they are just fed up with all the constant carp rumours in the media.
Yes all the papers can be wrong, they were wrong about KL wanting to sell the club and all the players in Jan, they were also wrong about MP following NC out the door.
how do you know the deal is going to happen? what have you heard that everyone else hasn't? to say its `going to happen` is just as wrong as burying your head in the sand, as you put it.
most saints fans aren't stupid and know players come and go but until there is actual proof of anything happening theres no point worrying about it, we can also see that there is a real effort by the London/NW based press to unsettle our players. why do you suppose that is? have we simply ejected all bids and the only way other clubs can `talk` to our players is in the papers?
losing a top player to a rival will not only weaken our side but strengthen others, you cannot guarantee that we will bring in top quality replacements and we could end up in a worse position next season and then lose all our squad, be careful what you wish for!
[quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: It's being reported by numerous sources that the deal is done for around £27M Daily Express, Daily Mirror, Manchester Evening News and Daily Mail. They won't all be lying.[/p][/quote]Oh yes they will Kent141.[/p][/quote]No need to be abusive is there ? Journalists at major national newspapers cannot just make up stories, if they do they tend to get fired, it happens. Franky I can't see any journalist, let alone several, sticking their neck on the line over a story regarding a player with great potential, but hardly a household name. It's a shame so many on here would rather bury their heads in the sand and chuck insults around against anyone who can see that this deal IS going to happen, whether you can cope with it or not. Ask yourself the question, if you were Luke Shaw and you had the chance of joining one of the worlds biggest clubs, playing in the CL and challenging for honours each season, plus the financial benefits, could you say no? The money the club get from this will only help boost the squad in some key areas where the team is short on quality.[/p][/quote]manure are NOT in the champs league though are they, and what `honours` did they challenge for this season? people aren't `burying their heads in the sand` they are just fed up with all the constant carp rumours in the media. Yes all the papers can be wrong, they were wrong about KL wanting to sell the club and all the players in Jan, they were also wrong about MP following NC out the door. how do you know the deal is going to happen? what have you heard that everyone else hasn't? to say its `going to happen` is just as wrong as burying your head in the sand, as you put it. most saints fans aren't stupid and know players come and go but until there is actual proof of anything happening theres no point worrying about it, we can also see that there is a real effort by the London/NW based press to unsettle our players. why do you suppose that is? have we simply ejected all bids and the only way other clubs can `talk` to our players is in the papers? losing a top player to a rival will not only weaken our side but strengthen others, you cannot guarantee that we will bring in top quality replacements and we could end up in a worse position next season and then lose all our squad, be careful what you wish for! el caballo santos101
  • Score: 2

8:54pm Tue 20 May 14

Winchester Saint says...

Man Utd might have forgotten while Shaw is currently with the England squad, boss Hodgson banned anyone involving in transfer even his agents from contacting players while in training so as to avoid losing nerves during trainings, friendlies and even during the World Cup itself.

Hodgson warned big clubs never to talk to any players till World Cup over two weeks ago while during press conference in Luton.

So in fact Man Utd may unable to sign Shaw while he is with England so they'll have to wait till World Cup over if stories were true, even while temporarily returns to England after training in Portugal.
Man Utd might have forgotten while Shaw is currently with the England squad, boss Hodgson banned anyone involving in transfer even his agents from contacting players while in training so as to avoid losing nerves during trainings, friendlies and even during the World Cup itself. Hodgson warned big clubs never to talk to any players till World Cup over two weeks ago while during press conference in Luton. So in fact Man Utd may unable to sign Shaw while he is with England so they'll have to wait till World Cup over if stories were true, even while temporarily returns to England after training in Portugal. Winchester Saint
  • Score: 0

9:12pm Tue 20 May 14

Freddie Flowerpot says...

Jan28th1984 wrote:
"Journalists at major national newspapers cannot just make up stories."

Are you for real?
Apologies, I should have differentiated between Football journalists and News/Gossip journalists (who you certainly can't trust)
[quote][p][bold]Jan28th1984[/bold] wrote: "Journalists at major national newspapers cannot just make up stories." Are you for real?[/p][/quote]Apologies, I should have differentiated between Football journalists and News/Gossip journalists (who you certainly can't trust) Freddie Flowerpot
  • Score: 0

9:59pm Tue 20 May 14

Freddie Flowerpot says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
It's being reported by numerous sources that the deal is done for around £27M

Daily Express, Daily Mirror, Manchester Evening News and Daily Mail.

They won't all be lying.
Oh yes they will Kent141.
No need to be abusive is there ? Journalists at major national newspapers cannot just make up stories, if they do they tend to get fired, it happens.

Franky I can't see any journalist, let alone several, sticking their neck on the line over a story regarding a player with great potential, but hardly a household name. It's a shame so many on here would rather bury their heads in the sand and chuck insults around against anyone who can see that this deal IS going to happen, whether you can cope with it or not.

Ask yourself the question, if you were Luke Shaw and you had the chance of joining one of the worlds biggest clubs, playing in the CL and challenging for honours each season, plus the financial benefits, could you say no?

The money the club get from this will only help boost the squad in some key areas where the team is short on quality.
manure are NOT in the champs league though are they, and what `honours` did they challenge for this season?
people aren't `burying their heads in the sand` they are just fed up with all the constant carp rumours in the media.
Yes all the papers can be wrong, they were wrong about KL wanting to sell the club and all the players in Jan, they were also wrong about MP following NC out the door.
how do you know the deal is going to happen? what have you heard that everyone else hasn't? to say its `going to happen` is just as wrong as burying your head in the sand, as you put it.
most saints fans aren't stupid and know players come and go but until there is actual proof of anything happening theres no point worrying about it, we can also see that there is a real effort by the London/NW based press to unsettle our players. why do you suppose that is? have we simply ejected all bids and the only way other clubs can `talk` to our players is in the papers?
losing a top player to a rival will not only weaken our side but strengthen others, you cannot guarantee that we will bring in top quality replacements and we could end up in a worse position next season and then lose all our squad, be careful what you wish for!
To be honest, I cannot remember the last time a young player, who had just made the England senior squad hasn't gone on quickly to join a major club...I can understand the fans are upset, but if this was just one paper running this story, it would be understandable to easily dismiss it, unfortunately too many media outlets are running it - the story 'has legs'. I don't have any special inside knowledge, but you don't need to have when the sources are so many and varied.

Man Utd are still a massive force, a £200m transfer budget for Van Gaal shows this, of course they had a poor season by their standards, only finishing 7th but this demonstrates the gulf between the top sides and clubs like Saints where 8th place is considered a massive achievement, which relatively speaking it is.There is nothing fair in the PL, the top 5 have ensured that nothing will break their monopoly and the FFP rules virtually guarantee that no newcomer with a wealthy owner, such as a Jack Walker can join them at the top table.

Why would the media in London or otherwise have an agenda against Saints ? Since the return to the PL the coverage of the players, manager and playing style has been very positive, I can see no reason as to why there would be a campaign of this type against the club, in fact because of NC or his 'people' having close links to The Mail you would expect rival newspapers to remain even more supportive.

I still think the futures bright, just don't share some of the optimism on here about future CL campaigns!

Be nice to be proved wrong though!
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: It's being reported by numerous sources that the deal is done for around £27M Daily Express, Daily Mirror, Manchester Evening News and Daily Mail. They won't all be lying.[/p][/quote]Oh yes they will Kent141.[/p][/quote]No need to be abusive is there ? Journalists at major national newspapers cannot just make up stories, if they do they tend to get fired, it happens. Franky I can't see any journalist, let alone several, sticking their neck on the line over a story regarding a player with great potential, but hardly a household name. It's a shame so many on here would rather bury their heads in the sand and chuck insults around against anyone who can see that this deal IS going to happen, whether you can cope with it or not. Ask yourself the question, if you were Luke Shaw and you had the chance of joining one of the worlds biggest clubs, playing in the CL and challenging for honours each season, plus the financial benefits, could you say no? The money the club get from this will only help boost the squad in some key areas where the team is short on quality.[/p][/quote]manure are NOT in the champs league though are they, and what `honours` did they challenge for this season? people aren't `burying their heads in the sand` they are just fed up with all the constant carp rumours in the media. Yes all the papers can be wrong, they were wrong about KL wanting to sell the club and all the players in Jan, they were also wrong about MP following NC out the door. how do you know the deal is going to happen? what have you heard that everyone else hasn't? to say its `going to happen` is just as wrong as burying your head in the sand, as you put it. most saints fans aren't stupid and know players come and go but until there is actual proof of anything happening theres no point worrying about it, we can also see that there is a real effort by the London/NW based press to unsettle our players. why do you suppose that is? have we simply ejected all bids and the only way other clubs can `talk` to our players is in the papers? losing a top player to a rival will not only weaken our side but strengthen others, you cannot guarantee that we will bring in top quality replacements and we could end up in a worse position next season and then lose all our squad, be careful what you wish for![/p][/quote]To be honest, I cannot remember the last time a young player, who had just made the England senior squad hasn't gone on quickly to join a major club...I can understand the fans are upset, but if this was just one paper running this story, it would be understandable to easily dismiss it, unfortunately too many media outlets are running it - the story 'has legs'. I don't have any special inside knowledge, but you don't need to have when the sources are so many and varied. Man Utd are still a massive force, a £200m transfer budget for Van Gaal shows this, of course they had a poor season by their standards, only finishing 7th but this demonstrates the gulf between the top sides and clubs like Saints where 8th place is considered a massive achievement, which relatively speaking it is.There is nothing fair in the PL, the top 5 have ensured that nothing will break their monopoly and the FFP rules virtually guarantee that no newcomer with a wealthy owner, such as a Jack Walker can join them at the top table. Why would the media in London or otherwise have an agenda against Saints ? Since the return to the PL the coverage of the players, manager and playing style has been very positive, I can see no reason as to why there would be a campaign of this type against the club, in fact because of NC or his 'people' having close links to The Mail you would expect rival newspapers to remain even more supportive. I still think the futures bright, just don't share some of the optimism on here about future CL campaigns! Be nice to be proved wrong though! Freddie Flowerpot
  • Score: 0

10:10pm Tue 20 May 14

Jan28th1984 says...

Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
Jan28th1984 wrote:
"Journalists at major national newspapers cannot just make up stories."

Are you for real?
Apologies, I should have differentiated between Football journalists and News/Gossip journalists (who you certainly can't trust)
Apology accepted! :-) Although sports journos regularly stretch the truth to make up the required number of words they have to produce each day.
[quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jan28th1984[/bold] wrote: "Journalists at major national newspapers cannot just make up stories." Are you for real?[/p][/quote]Apologies, I should have differentiated between Football journalists and News/Gossip journalists (who you certainly can't trust)[/p][/quote]Apology accepted! :-) Although sports journos regularly stretch the truth to make up the required number of words they have to produce each day. Jan28th1984
  • Score: 0

11:59pm Tue 20 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
It's being reported by numerous sources that the deal is done for around £27M

Daily Express, Daily Mirror, Manchester Evening News and Daily Mail.

They won't all be lying.
Oh yes they will Kent141.
No need to be abusive is there ? Journalists at major national newspapers cannot just make up stories, if they do they tend to get fired, it happens.

Franky I can't see any journalist, let alone several, sticking their neck on the line over a story regarding a player with great potential, but hardly a household name. It's a shame so many on here would rather bury their heads in the sand and chuck insults around against anyone who can see that this deal IS going to happen, whether you can cope with it or not.

Ask yourself the question, if you were Luke Shaw and you had the chance of joining one of the worlds biggest clubs, playing in the CL and challenging for honours each season, plus the financial benefits, could you say no?

The money the club get from this will only help boost the squad in some key areas where the team is short on quality.
manure are NOT in the champs league though are they, and what `honours` did they challenge for this season?
people aren't `burying their heads in the sand` they are just fed up with all the constant carp rumours in the media.
Yes all the papers can be wrong, they were wrong about KL wanting to sell the club and all the players in Jan, they were also wrong about MP following NC out the door.
how do you know the deal is going to happen? what have you heard that everyone else hasn't? to say its `going to happen` is just as wrong as burying your head in the sand, as you put it.
most saints fans aren't stupid and know players come and go but until there is actual proof of anything happening theres no point worrying about it, we can also see that there is a real effort by the London/NW based press to unsettle our players. why do you suppose that is? have we simply ejected all bids and the only way other clubs can `talk` to our players is in the papers?
losing a top player to a rival will not only weaken our side but strengthen others, you cannot guarantee that we will bring in top quality replacements and we could end up in a worse position next season and then lose all our squad, be careful what you wish for!
To be honest, I cannot remember the last time a young player, who had just made the England senior squad hasn't gone on quickly to join a major club...I can understand the fans are upset, but if this was just one paper running this story, it would be understandable to easily dismiss it, unfortunately too many media outlets are running it - the story 'has legs'. I don't have any special inside knowledge, but you don't need to have when the sources are so many and varied.

Man Utd are still a massive force, a £200m transfer budget for Van Gaal shows this, of course they had a poor season by their standards, only finishing 7th but this demonstrates the gulf between the top sides and clubs like Saints where 8th place is considered a massive achievement, which relatively speaking it is.There is nothing fair in the PL, the top 5 have ensured that nothing will break their monopoly and the FFP rules virtually guarantee that no newcomer with a wealthy owner, such as a Jack Walker can join them at the top table.

Why would the media in London or otherwise have an agenda against Saints ? Since the return to the PL the coverage of the players, manager and playing style has been very positive, I can see no reason as to why there would be a campaign of this type against the club, in fact because of NC or his 'people' having close links to The Mail you would expect rival newspapers to remain even more supportive.

I still think the futures bright, just don't share some of the optimism on here about future CL campaigns!

Be nice to be proved wrong though!
you cant remember the last young English player who hasn't gone on to play a major club? try Baines, and he is still at everton!
The papers are all running the same stories because they are being fed them from the same source, be that another club, agent or, as suspected by adam blackmore, a former employee with a grudge. the papers also pick up on stories from each other and a lot of these stories are coming from one paper, the fail!
so manure have a £200mill transfer budget whilst being hundreds of millions in debt yet the FFP rules mean we cant compete, why? we are well within any FFP that governs us so it isn't the problem some think it is.
the media were praising us, whilst saying we couldn't keep it up early in the season then when we did keep it going they eventually praised our style, but have you ever seen the media praise people up just to knock the back down again? happens all the time. again if the `big five` and spuds are worried about us they will do all they can to unsettle our players, they might be doing this to try to get our players to put in transfer requests as they have been told they aren't for sale!
champs league is a dream but personally I don't think its that far away, if most of our squad are being linked with champs league clubs and manure, they must be quite good. I think we are a decent striker away from challenging for the top places, that's what we all hoped Osvaldo would be, but he decided to not even bother trying!
everton nearly got champs league last season and apart from lukaku and maybe baines, I still would have luke, could you think of players in their squad that would replace our players?
[quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: It's being reported by numerous sources that the deal is done for around £27M Daily Express, Daily Mirror, Manchester Evening News and Daily Mail. They won't all be lying.[/p][/quote]Oh yes they will Kent141.[/p][/quote]No need to be abusive is there ? Journalists at major national newspapers cannot just make up stories, if they do they tend to get fired, it happens. Franky I can't see any journalist, let alone several, sticking their neck on the line over a story regarding a player with great potential, but hardly a household name. It's a shame so many on here would rather bury their heads in the sand and chuck insults around against anyone who can see that this deal IS going to happen, whether you can cope with it or not. Ask yourself the question, if you were Luke Shaw and you had the chance of joining one of the worlds biggest clubs, playing in the CL and challenging for honours each season, plus the financial benefits, could you say no? The money the club get from this will only help boost the squad in some key areas where the team is short on quality.[/p][/quote]manure are NOT in the champs league though are they, and what `honours` did they challenge for this season? people aren't `burying their heads in the sand` they are just fed up with all the constant carp rumours in the media. Yes all the papers can be wrong, they were wrong about KL wanting to sell the club and all the players in Jan, they were also wrong about MP following NC out the door. how do you know the deal is going to happen? what have you heard that everyone else hasn't? to say its `going to happen` is just as wrong as burying your head in the sand, as you put it. most saints fans aren't stupid and know players come and go but until there is actual proof of anything happening theres no point worrying about it, we can also see that there is a real effort by the London/NW based press to unsettle our players. why do you suppose that is? have we simply ejected all bids and the only way other clubs can `talk` to our players is in the papers? losing a top player to a rival will not only weaken our side but strengthen others, you cannot guarantee that we will bring in top quality replacements and we could end up in a worse position next season and then lose all our squad, be careful what you wish for![/p][/quote]To be honest, I cannot remember the last time a young player, who had just made the England senior squad hasn't gone on quickly to join a major club...I can understand the fans are upset, but if this was just one paper running this story, it would be understandable to easily dismiss it, unfortunately too many media outlets are running it - the story 'has legs'. I don't have any special inside knowledge, but you don't need to have when the sources are so many and varied. Man Utd are still a massive force, a £200m transfer budget for Van Gaal shows this, of course they had a poor season by their standards, only finishing 7th but this demonstrates the gulf between the top sides and clubs like Saints where 8th place is considered a massive achievement, which relatively speaking it is.There is nothing fair in the PL, the top 5 have ensured that nothing will break their monopoly and the FFP rules virtually guarantee that no newcomer with a wealthy owner, such as a Jack Walker can join them at the top table. Why would the media in London or otherwise have an agenda against Saints ? Since the return to the PL the coverage of the players, manager and playing style has been very positive, I can see no reason as to why there would be a campaign of this type against the club, in fact because of NC or his 'people' having close links to The Mail you would expect rival newspapers to remain even more supportive. I still think the futures bright, just don't share some of the optimism on here about future CL campaigns! Be nice to be proved wrong though![/p][/quote]you cant remember the last young English player who hasn't gone on to play a major club? try Baines, and he is still at everton! The papers are all running the same stories because they are being fed them from the same source, be that another club, agent or, as suspected by adam blackmore, a former employee with a grudge. the papers also pick up on stories from each other and a lot of these stories are coming from one paper, the fail! so manure have a £200mill transfer budget whilst being hundreds of millions in debt yet the FFP rules mean we cant compete, why? we are well within any FFP that governs us so it isn't the problem some think it is. the media were praising us, whilst saying we couldn't keep it up early in the season then when we did keep it going they eventually praised our style, but have you ever seen the media praise people up just to knock the back down again? happens all the time. again if the `big five` and spuds are worried about us they will do all they can to unsettle our players, they might be doing this to try to get our players to put in transfer requests as they have been told they aren't for sale! champs league is a dream but personally I don't think its that far away, if most of our squad are being linked with champs league clubs and manure, they must be quite good. I think we are a decent striker away from challenging for the top places, that's what we all hoped Osvaldo would be, but he decided to not even bother trying! everton nearly got champs league last season and apart from lukaku and maybe baines, I still would have luke, could you think of players in their squad that would replace our players? el caballo santos101
  • Score: 0

8:18am Wed 21 May 14

Blackknight says...

Van Gaal won't last a season, while Fergie pulls all the strings in the background.
Van Gaal won't last a season, while Fergie pulls all the strings in the background. Blackknight
  • Score: 0

2:40pm Wed 21 May 14

SiamSaint says...

buckeroo wrote:
echo reporters, you are becoming as bad as the daily mail ****, we know you have to write something,but its the same old boring **** every day. no wonder i dont buy your paper. do you have neil ashton of the daily mail working for you. hes the biggest one to spread rumours. there boring, deals would have been done by now.no one is leaving, hows that for a story.
But you DO read the site, which generates revenue.
[quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: echo reporters, you are becoming as bad as the daily mail ****, we know you have to write something,but its the same old boring **** every day. no wonder i dont buy your paper. do you have neil ashton of the daily mail working for you. hes the biggest one to spread rumours. there boring, deals would have been done by now.no one is leaving, hows that for a story.[/p][/quote]But you DO read the site, which generates revenue. SiamSaint
  • Score: 0

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