United reported to have bid £27m for Saints star Shaw

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Saints’ final day opponents Manchester United are reported to have tabled a £27m offer for Luke Shaw following this afternoon’s 1-1 draw at St Mary’s.

Various media outlets are reporting that the 18-year-old left back has already been the subject of a massive offer, with the noises in recent weeks having indicated a pre-World Cup bid from the Old Trafford club was likely.

Speaking after today’s game Saints chairman Ralph Krueger confirmed there had been no bids for Shaw or Lallana at that time but did add: “It is really important that people respect that there will be conversations going on, beginning tomorrow (Monday), with clubs.”

On top of that there are also reports that Ashley Cole has been told this evening he will not be in Roy Hodgson’s World Cup squad. If they are correct then it means Shaw is likely to join teammates Adam Lallana and Rickie Lambert in the party for Brazil, which is confirmed tomorrow.

Nathaniel Clyne also has an outside chance of making the 30 man party with Kyle Walker’s fitness in serious doubt.

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10:03pm Sun 11 May 14

Red Eyes says...

F off Mancs
F off Mancs Red Eyes
  • Score: 25

10:08pm Sun 11 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

let the fun begin!
let the fun begin! el caballo santos101
  • Score: 5

10:20pm Sun 11 May 14

smuggins says...

Why would he want to join a team not in Europe and one place above them and in decline.He is better off where he .If Saints really wanted to sell he would be worth more after the World Cup.
Why would he want to join a team not in Europe and one place above them and in decline.He is better off where he .If Saints really wanted to sell he would be worth more after the World Cup. smuggins
  • Score: 31

10:21pm Sun 11 May 14

Jan28th1984 says...

Wow! £27m! Imagine how many jam doughnuts that would buy!

Dunno about you other Saints but I like raspberry jam in jam doughnuts, there has been a distressing trend to put apple stuff in them in the last few years.

Even worse - my nephew (who fancies himself as a bit of a joker) - has taken to sabotaging the doughnuts we buy by injecting them with mayonnaise - revolting.
Wow! £27m! Imagine how many jam doughnuts that would buy! Dunno about you other Saints but I like raspberry jam in jam doughnuts, there has been a distressing trend to put apple stuff in them in the last few years. Even worse - my nephew (who fancies himself as a bit of a joker) - has taken to sabotaging the doughnuts we buy by injecting them with mayonnaise - revolting. Jan28th1984
  • Score: -14

10:52pm Sun 11 May 14

N Smith says...

smuggins wrote:
Why would he want to join a team not in Europe and one place above them and in decline.He is better off where he .If Saints really wanted to sell he would be worth more after the World Cup.
Are you seriously on this planet,why would he want to stay at Saints
[quote][p][bold]smuggins[/bold] wrote: Why would he want to join a team not in Europe and one place above them and in decline.He is better off where he .If Saints really wanted to sell he would be worth more after the World Cup.[/p][/quote]Are you seriously on this planet,why would he want to stay at Saints N Smith
  • Score: -54

11:04pm Sun 11 May 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Good attempt but sorry £27m isn't enough, try harder.
Good attempt but sorry £27m isn't enough, try harder. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 14

11:07pm Sun 11 May 14

Clever Dick says...

This is probably just another press inspired rumour. If it isn't, however, and they really have bid £27 mil as a starter then they probably think they will get him for around £30million. So let's screw them for £40mil. Take it or leave it.
This is probably just another press inspired rumour. If it isn't, however, and they really have bid £27 mil as a starter then they probably think they will get him for around £30million. So let's screw them for £40mil. Take it or leave it. Clever Dick
  • Score: 8

11:24pm Sun 11 May 14

Block 42 says...

good price..so long as its all invested in the team.
good price..so long as its all invested in the team. Block 42
  • Score: -4

11:36pm Sun 11 May 14

upwherewebelong says...

In the statement "the fans have to accept that conversations would have to be had with other clubs" I can help but feel betrayed by Krueger clearly he has no feelings for the club unless he means a simple conversation to say "they're not for sale" despite the propaganda he spun when joining he has in my opinion been brought in to undermine and destroy all the work Cortese and Pochettino and Reed have done to form a really good and enjoyable team to watch. Thanks Krueger for NOTHING I respectfully suggest he goes back to Ice Hockey as I see no evidence he understands Southampton or Football
In the statement "the fans have to accept that conversations would have to be had with other clubs" I can help but feel betrayed by Krueger clearly he has no feelings for the club unless he means a simple conversation to say "they're not for sale" despite the propaganda he spun when joining he has in my opinion been brought in to undermine and destroy all the work Cortese and Pochettino and Reed have done to form a really good and enjoyable team to watch. Thanks Krueger for NOTHING I respectfully suggest he goes back to Ice Hockey as I see no evidence he understands Southampton or Football upwherewebelong
  • Score: -13

11:43pm Sun 11 May 14

promised land says...

Saints must decline all offers for our international players going to Brazil, until after the tournament. When there value will increase further. Offers coming in now are in the hope of getting them on the cheap. Don't be fooled !
Saints must decline all offers for our international players going to Brazil, until after the tournament. When there value will increase further. Offers coming in now are in the hope of getting them on the cheap. Don't be fooled ! promised land
  • Score: 8

11:46pm Sun 11 May 14

Georgethepie says...

N Smith wrote:
smuggins wrote:
Why would he want to join a team not in Europe and one place above them and in decline.He is better off where he .If Saints really wanted to sell he would be worth more after the World Cup.
Are you seriously on this planet,why would he want to stay at Saints
Why would he want to go to Man U surely the lad has ambition it's more than possible United could fail next season as well making a move to Manchester pointless unless he's going to the big club City and I doubt he would want to do that.
If he goes and I hope he won't it will be Chelsea Not City Not Liverpool and certainly not the small club in Manchester who have no more options this season than the mighty Saints
[quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smuggins[/bold] wrote: Why would he want to join a team not in Europe and one place above them and in decline.He is better off where he .If Saints really wanted to sell he would be worth more after the World Cup.[/p][/quote]Are you seriously on this planet,why would he want to stay at Saints[/p][/quote]Why would he want to go to Man U surely the lad has ambition it's more than possible United could fail next season as well making a move to Manchester pointless unless he's going to the big club City and I doubt he would want to do that. If he goes and I hope he won't it will be Chelsea Not City Not Liverpool and certainly not the small club in Manchester who have no more options this season than the mighty Saints Georgethepie
  • Score: 10

11:48pm Sun 11 May 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

If we do sell there is no rush to do a deal. If we do then I will be very disappointed. I live in hope that Krueger is the real deal but I'm increasingly worried by his crap statements.
If we do sell there is no rush to do a deal. If we do then I will be very disappointed. I live in hope that Krueger is the real deal but I'm increasingly worried by his crap statements. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 0

11:53pm Sun 11 May 14

midlandsaint says...

I saw that this bid was mentioned on Match of the Day. Alan Hansen seems tobe of the opinion that not only will Luke Shaw be leaving but so will several others, effectively breaking up the squad and that the club has no real choice in the matter.

God, I do hope that isnt so and he's talking out his ars3. I would love to see what a strengthened Southampton could do next season with Shaw, Lallana and others still on the bus.
I saw that this bid was mentioned on Match of the Day. Alan Hansen seems tobe of the opinion that not only will Luke Shaw be leaving but so will several others, effectively breaking up the squad and that the club has no real choice in the matter. God, I do hope that isnt so and he's talking out his ars3. I would love to see what a strengthened Southampton could do next season with Shaw, Lallana and others still on the bus. midlandsaint
  • Score: 7

12:00am Mon 12 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

upwherewebelong wrote:
In the statement "the fans have to accept that conversations would have to be had with other clubs" I can help but feel betrayed by Krueger clearly he has no feelings for the club unless he means a simple conversation to say "they're not for sale" despite the propaganda he spun when joining he has in my opinion been brought in to undermine and destroy all the work Cortese and Pochettino and Reed have done to form a really good and enjoyable team to watch. Thanks Krueger for NOTHING I respectfully suggest he goes back to Ice Hockey as I see no evidence he understands Southampton or Football
???????????
are you trying to suggest that he tells us that the club wont be `talking` to other clubs?
the actual quote was in regards to `meetings` in the next week and was,

"It's important to respect that communication will be happening for us, as of tomorrow."

"There are clubs that have financial means over and above what we have."

"The only thing we are going to do in our decisions is do what is best for the Saints."

the first quote could easily mean that communication with MP is going to start tomorrow, as the club and MP have always said.
the club have said more than once that the players are not for sale, do you want them to say it in every interview?
so the season has just ended and its been our best in prem history and less than 6hrs later you are saying our chairman is a traitor and should p- back to ice hockey? well that's very patient of you!
[quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: In the statement "the fans have to accept that conversations would have to be had with other clubs" I can help but feel betrayed by Krueger clearly he has no feelings for the club unless he means a simple conversation to say "they're not for sale" despite the propaganda he spun when joining he has in my opinion been brought in to undermine and destroy all the work Cortese and Pochettino and Reed have done to form a really good and enjoyable team to watch. Thanks Krueger for NOTHING I respectfully suggest he goes back to Ice Hockey as I see no evidence he understands Southampton or Football[/p][/quote]??????????? are you trying to suggest that he tells us that the club wont be `talking` to other clubs? the actual quote was in regards to `meetings` in the next week and was, "It's important to respect that communication will be happening for us, as of tomorrow." "There are clubs that have financial means over and above what we have." "The only thing we are going to do in our decisions is do what is best for the Saints." the first quote could easily mean that communication with MP is going to start tomorrow, as the club and MP have always said. the club have said more than once that the players are not for sale, do you want them to say it in every interview? so the season has just ended and its been our best in prem history and less than 6hrs later you are saying our chairman is a traitor and should p- back to ice hockey? well that's very patient of you! el caballo santos101
  • Score: 11

12:05am Mon 12 May 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
If we do sell there is no rush to do a deal. If we do then I will be very disappointed. I live in hope that Krueger is the real deal but I'm increasingly worried by his crap statements.
Yeah I agree,say what you like about Nicola,but I don't think there would have been quite so much anxiety around now if he was still here.
Having said that,it looks as though we have the excitement of looking forward to some new faces arriving,so whatever happens between now and next season,its still onwards and upwards.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: If we do sell there is no rush to do a deal. If we do then I will be very disappointed. I live in hope that Krueger is the real deal but I'm increasingly worried by his crap statements.[/p][/quote]Yeah I agree,say what you like about Nicola,but I don't think there would have been quite so much anxiety around now if he was still here. Having said that,it looks as though we have the excitement of looking forward to some new faces arriving,so whatever happens between now and next season,its still onwards and upwards. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 3

12:08am Mon 12 May 14

SaintSteve76 says...

At the beginning of the season I seem to remember an interview with cortese on sky sports during the pre season training camp in which he said there is no reason why southampton can't finish in the top 4 and he strengthened those claims by making high profile signings for big transfer fees such as wanyama, osvaldo, lovren, and before them there was ramirez. Many players were also heard saying that this club should be aiming for a top 4 finish and this mentality was obviously instilled into them by cortese and pochettino. To me it seems like this ambition and vision has completely dissapeared. I certainly never heard cortese say something along the lines of other teams having more financial power than us and the club needing to live within its means. I'm pretty sure that cortese didn't appoint and convince pochettino to take over as manager so that we could produce a fantastic young team and then sell our star players. Pochettino would never have agreed to be manager had this been the case. The constant speculation and unconvincing responses from the board are inviting teams like Man U to bid for our stars. I may yet be proved wrong and I hope I am.
At the beginning of the season I seem to remember an interview with cortese on sky sports during the pre season training camp in which he said there is no reason why southampton can't finish in the top 4 and he strengthened those claims by making high profile signings for big transfer fees such as wanyama, osvaldo, lovren, and before them there was ramirez. Many players were also heard saying that this club should be aiming for a top 4 finish and this mentality was obviously instilled into them by cortese and pochettino. To me it seems like this ambition and vision has completely dissapeared. I certainly never heard cortese say something along the lines of other teams having more financial power than us and the club needing to live within its means. I'm pretty sure that cortese didn't appoint and convince pochettino to take over as manager so that we could produce a fantastic young team and then sell our star players. Pochettino would never have agreed to be manager had this been the case. The constant speculation and unconvincing responses from the board are inviting teams like Man U to bid for our stars. I may yet be proved wrong and I hope I am. SaintSteve76
  • Score: 8

12:26am Mon 12 May 14

upwherewebelong says...

I'll answer the question as directly as I can what I am saying is it concerns me he doesn't seem to be putting clubs off contacting us he could simply say discussions may have to be had which is much more neutral. Rather than what is in my opinion almost an invitation for clubs to contact us. In my view it is well known that if you make it obvious a player or players are for sale their value reduces. Also I believe it a bit disingenuous to give Krueger too much credit for the great season we had surely it is down to the hard work of the players and mp and financial support of the liebherrs that we had a great season along with corteses work before he left. Think you might be referring to a different part of the interview than me. If you read it again you might see the part that got me disappointed
I'll answer the question as directly as I can what I am saying is it concerns me he doesn't seem to be putting clubs off contacting us he could simply say discussions may have to be had which is much more neutral. Rather than what is in my opinion almost an invitation for clubs to contact us. In my view it is well known that if you make it obvious a player or players are for sale their value reduces. Also I believe it a bit disingenuous to give Krueger too much credit for the great season we had surely it is down to the hard work of the players and mp and financial support of the liebherrs that we had a great season along with corteses work before he left. Think you might be referring to a different part of the interview than me. If you read it again you might see the part that got me disappointed upwherewebelong
  • Score: 1

12:44am Mon 12 May 14

just kidding says...

This is a feckin joke, to start with, he is worth far more than that number. But if the club needs 27 mil that bad, then surely they could get close to that by selling Osvaldo, Ramirez and a couple of others. Not that I think the club really needs the money, especially when you consider how much will come back to the club now and in the future if we keep our best players. Its false economy to not pay these players the going rate. We don't need to sell! We are the future!
This is a feckin joke, to start with, he is worth far more than that number. But if the club needs 27 mil that bad, then surely they could get close to that by selling Osvaldo, Ramirez and a couple of others. Not that I think the club really needs the money, especially when you consider how much will come back to the club now and in the future if we keep our best players. Its false economy to not pay these players the going rate. We don't need to sell! We are the future! just kidding
  • Score: 5

12:49am Mon 12 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

upwherewebelong wrote:
I'll answer the question as directly as I can what I am saying is it concerns me he doesn't seem to be putting clubs off contacting us he could simply say discussions may have to be had which is much more neutral. Rather than what is in my opinion almost an invitation for clubs to contact us. In my view it is well known that if you make it obvious a player or players are for sale their value reduces. Also I believe it a bit disingenuous to give Krueger too much credit for the great season we had surely it is down to the hard work of the players and mp and financial support of the liebherrs that we had a great season along with corteses work before he left. Think you might be referring to a different part of the interview than me. If you read it again you might see the part that got me disappointed
I don't think many are giving RK too much credit for the whole season but I don't think he has done a lot wrong. I don't know what else the club can say or how often they have to say it, and they have said it a few times, but our players are not for sale and we don't have to sell anyone to make ends meet.
again the meetings this week comment was in reference to MP, RK said about other clubs that have financial means over and above what we have, well that's just saying that we aren't and cant compete in the market with the likes of manure or mancy, that's just a fact. even Brenda has been saying that diverpool cant compete with mancy.
I think we will just have to give them a week or 2 to sort things out and not panic at every sentence or non sentence that comes out.

I`m more disappointed with Hansen on MOTD saying `its just a shame they need to sell to bring in the money, they've brought up a really good group of young players and now they've got to sell them all` and shearer for saying `its just a matter of how many they are going to sell`. lazy comments from pundits that haven't done their homework on the club. that type of comment can do just as much damage than what the c say/or don't say.
[quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: I'll answer the question as directly as I can what I am saying is it concerns me he doesn't seem to be putting clubs off contacting us he could simply say discussions may have to be had which is much more neutral. Rather than what is in my opinion almost an invitation for clubs to contact us. In my view it is well known that if you make it obvious a player or players are for sale their value reduces. Also I believe it a bit disingenuous to give Krueger too much credit for the great season we had surely it is down to the hard work of the players and mp and financial support of the liebherrs that we had a great season along with corteses work before he left. Think you might be referring to a different part of the interview than me. If you read it again you might see the part that got me disappointed[/p][/quote]I don't think many are giving RK too much credit for the whole season but I don't think he has done a lot wrong. I don't know what else the club can say or how often they have to say it, and they have said it a few times, but our players are not for sale and we don't have to sell anyone to make ends meet. again the meetings this week comment was in reference to MP, RK said about other clubs that have financial means over and above what we have, well that's just saying that we aren't and cant compete in the market with the likes of manure or mancy, that's just a fact. even Brenda has been saying that diverpool cant compete with mancy. I think we will just have to give them a week or 2 to sort things out and not panic at every sentence or non sentence that comes out. I`m more disappointed with Hansen on MOTD saying `its just a shame they need to sell to bring in the money, they've brought up a really good group of young players and now they've got to sell them all` and shearer for saying `its just a matter of how many they are going to sell`. lazy comments from pundits that haven't done their homework on the club. that type of comment can do just as much damage than what the c say/or don't say. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 14

12:55am Mon 12 May 14

petethephantom says...

SaintSteve76 wrote:
At the beginning of the season I seem to remember an interview with cortese on sky sports during the pre season training camp in which he said there is no reason why southampton can't finish in the top 4 and he strengthened those claims by making high profile signings for big transfer fees such as wanyama, osvaldo, lovren, and before them there was ramirez. Many players were also heard saying that this club should be aiming for a top 4 finish and this mentality was obviously instilled into them by cortese and pochettino. To me it seems like this ambition and vision has completely dissapeared. I certainly never heard cortese say something along the lines of other teams having more financial power than us and the club needing to live within its means. I'm pretty sure that cortese didn't appoint and convince pochettino to take over as manager so that we could produce a fantastic young team and then sell our star players. Pochettino would never have agreed to be manager had this been the case. The constant speculation and unconvincing responses from the board are inviting teams like Man U to bid for our stars. I may yet be proved wrong and I hope I am.
umm, I still feel if our goalkeeper Boruc, didn't get injured, no disrespect to our sub goalies but we did drop valuable points in those games that would have us higher up the table.
I am a saint thru and thru but if these players want to go,( i.e. shaw , lallana etc) well I'd let them as for 1 i'd rather have someone with his heart and sole play for the club and 2) the money we can get for these players we can expand on and become even more stronger.
Is just an opinion, time will tell
[quote][p][bold]SaintSteve76[/bold] wrote: At the beginning of the season I seem to remember an interview with cortese on sky sports during the pre season training camp in which he said there is no reason why southampton can't finish in the top 4 and he strengthened those claims by making high profile signings for big transfer fees such as wanyama, osvaldo, lovren, and before them there was ramirez. Many players were also heard saying that this club should be aiming for a top 4 finish and this mentality was obviously instilled into them by cortese and pochettino. To me it seems like this ambition and vision has completely dissapeared. I certainly never heard cortese say something along the lines of other teams having more financial power than us and the club needing to live within its means. I'm pretty sure that cortese didn't appoint and convince pochettino to take over as manager so that we could produce a fantastic young team and then sell our star players. Pochettino would never have agreed to be manager had this been the case. The constant speculation and unconvincing responses from the board are inviting teams like Man U to bid for our stars. I may yet be proved wrong and I hope I am.[/p][/quote]umm, I still feel if our goalkeeper Boruc, didn't get injured, no disrespect to our sub goalies but we did drop valuable points in those games that would have us higher up the table. I am a saint thru and thru but if these players want to go,( i.e. shaw , lallana etc) well I'd let them as for 1 i'd rather have someone with his heart and sole play for the club and 2) the money we can get for these players we can expand on and become even more stronger. Is just an opinion, time will tell petethephantom
  • Score: 1

12:57am Mon 12 May 14

SaintSteve76 says...

just kidding wrote:
This is a feckin joke, to start with, he is worth far more than that number. But if the club needs 27 mil that bad, then surely they could get close to that by selling Osvaldo, Ramirez and a couple of others. Not that I think the club really needs the money, especially when you consider how much will come back to the club now and in the future if we keep our best players. Its false economy to not pay these players the going rate. We don't need to sell! We are the future!
The problem is we've invited these low bids by not issuing a hands off warning and by not declaring that no key players are for sale. If we're going to sell Shaw and a maybe 1 or 2 others we might as well not have spent so much money on players like wanyama and osvaldo. We could quite easily finish in the top four by keeping this team together along with 1 or 2 additions but it seems more and more likely that the board want to cash in on our star players. People are possibly starting to find out why cortese left so rashly when he was so involved in the club and the vision. It seems like he wasn't given the backing and assurances.
[quote][p][bold]just kidding[/bold] wrote: This is a feckin joke, to start with, he is worth far more than that number. But if the club needs 27 mil that bad, then surely they could get close to that by selling Osvaldo, Ramirez and a couple of others. Not that I think the club really needs the money, especially when you consider how much will come back to the club now and in the future if we keep our best players. Its false economy to not pay these players the going rate. We don't need to sell! We are the future![/p][/quote]The problem is we've invited these low bids by not issuing a hands off warning and by not declaring that no key players are for sale. If we're going to sell Shaw and a maybe 1 or 2 others we might as well not have spent so much money on players like wanyama and osvaldo. We could quite easily finish in the top four by keeping this team together along with 1 or 2 additions but it seems more and more likely that the board want to cash in on our star players. People are possibly starting to find out why cortese left so rashly when he was so involved in the club and the vision. It seems like he wasn't given the backing and assurances. SaintSteve76
  • Score: 1

1:27am Mon 12 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

SaintSteve76 wrote:
just kidding wrote:
This is a feckin joke, to start with, he is worth far more than that number. But if the club needs 27 mil that bad, then surely they could get close to that by selling Osvaldo, Ramirez and a couple of others. Not that I think the club really needs the money, especially when you consider how much will come back to the club now and in the future if we keep our best players. Its false economy to not pay these players the going rate. We don't need to sell! We are the future!
The problem is we've invited these low bids by not issuing a hands off warning and by not declaring that no key players are for sale. If we're going to sell Shaw and a maybe 1 or 2 others we might as well not have spent so much money on players like wanyama and osvaldo. We could quite easily finish in the top four by keeping this team together along with 1 or 2 additions but it seems more and more likely that the board want to cash in on our star players. People are possibly starting to find out why cortese left so rashly when he was so involved in the club and the vision. It seems like he wasn't given the backing and assurances.
the club has said many times that our stars aren't for sale, and that no player will come in or leave without MP`s say so. Les Reed made a big statement to the media a couple of weeks ago, its not the clubs fault that the media and other clubs have totally ignored that statement and the others from the club.
there seems to be a concerted effort by the media to undermine our club, unsettle our players and split our team up. its been rumoured, from more than one source including adam blackmore from solent, that the media are being fed false stories by a disgruntled former employee with a grudge to bear!
[quote][p][bold]SaintSteve76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]just kidding[/bold] wrote: This is a feckin joke, to start with, he is worth far more than that number. But if the club needs 27 mil that bad, then surely they could get close to that by selling Osvaldo, Ramirez and a couple of others. Not that I think the club really needs the money, especially when you consider how much will come back to the club now and in the future if we keep our best players. Its false economy to not pay these players the going rate. We don't need to sell! We are the future![/p][/quote]The problem is we've invited these low bids by not issuing a hands off warning and by not declaring that no key players are for sale. If we're going to sell Shaw and a maybe 1 or 2 others we might as well not have spent so much money on players like wanyama and osvaldo. We could quite easily finish in the top four by keeping this team together along with 1 or 2 additions but it seems more and more likely that the board want to cash in on our star players. People are possibly starting to find out why cortese left so rashly when he was so involved in the club and the vision. It seems like he wasn't given the backing and assurances.[/p][/quote]the club has said many times that our stars aren't for sale, and that no player will come in or leave without MP`s say so. Les Reed made a big statement to the media a couple of weeks ago, its not the clubs fault that the media and other clubs have totally ignored that statement and the others from the club. there seems to be a concerted effort by the media to undermine our club, unsettle our players and split our team up. its been rumoured, from more than one source including adam blackmore from solent, that the media are being fed false stories by a disgruntled former employee with a grudge to bear! el caballo santos101
  • Score: 16

1:48am Mon 12 May 14

andoru says...

petethephantom wrote:
SaintSteve76 wrote:
At the beginning of the season I seem to remember an interview with cortese on sky sports during the pre season training camp in which he said there is no reason why southampton can't finish in the top 4 and he strengthened those claims by making high profile signings for big transfer fees such as wanyama, osvaldo, lovren, and before them there was ramirez. Many players were also heard saying that this club should be aiming for a top 4 finish and this mentality was obviously instilled into them by cortese and pochettino. To me it seems like this ambition and vision has completely dissapeared. I certainly never heard cortese say something along the lines of other teams having more financial power than us and the club needing to live within its means. I'm pretty sure that cortese didn't appoint and convince pochettino to take over as manager so that we could produce a fantastic young team and then sell our star players. Pochettino would never have agreed to be manager had this been the case. The constant speculation and unconvincing responses from the board are inviting teams like Man U to bid for our stars. I may yet be proved wrong and I hope I am.
umm, I still feel if our goalkeeper Boruc, didn't get injured, no disrespect to our sub goalies but we did drop valuable points in those games that would have us higher up the table.
I am a saint thru and thru but if these players want to go,( i.e. shaw , lallana etc) well I'd let them as for 1 i'd rather have someone with his heart and sole play for the club and 2) the money we can get for these players we can expand on and become even more stronger.
Is just an opinion, time will tell
"the money we can get for these players we can expand on and become even more stronger"

Who do you propose we buy to replace Lallana and Shaw? If comparable players exist, why aren't Utd trying to sign them instead?

Answer: Because right now in world football there aren't that many players doing what they do, or with their potential. There isn't really anyone that we could buy to fill in for Lallana and left backs are at a premium right now, with several clubs in need of one (Spurs are after one as well).
[quote][p][bold]petethephantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintSteve76[/bold] wrote: At the beginning of the season I seem to remember an interview with cortese on sky sports during the pre season training camp in which he said there is no reason why southampton can't finish in the top 4 and he strengthened those claims by making high profile signings for big transfer fees such as wanyama, osvaldo, lovren, and before them there was ramirez. Many players were also heard saying that this club should be aiming for a top 4 finish and this mentality was obviously instilled into them by cortese and pochettino. To me it seems like this ambition and vision has completely dissapeared. I certainly never heard cortese say something along the lines of other teams having more financial power than us and the club needing to live within its means. I'm pretty sure that cortese didn't appoint and convince pochettino to take over as manager so that we could produce a fantastic young team and then sell our star players. Pochettino would never have agreed to be manager had this been the case. The constant speculation and unconvincing responses from the board are inviting teams like Man U to bid for our stars. I may yet be proved wrong and I hope I am.[/p][/quote]umm, I still feel if our goalkeeper Boruc, didn't get injured, no disrespect to our sub goalies but we did drop valuable points in those games that would have us higher up the table. I am a saint thru and thru but if these players want to go,( i.e. shaw , lallana etc) well I'd let them as for 1 i'd rather have someone with his heart and sole play for the club and 2) the money we can get for these players we can expand on and become even more stronger. Is just an opinion, time will tell[/p][/quote]"the money we can get for these players we can expand on and become even more stronger" Who do you propose we buy to replace Lallana and Shaw? If comparable players exist, why aren't Utd trying to sign them instead? Answer: Because right now in world football there aren't that many players doing what they do, or with their potential. There isn't really anyone that we could buy to fill in for Lallana and left backs are at a premium right now, with several clubs in need of one (Spurs are after one as well). andoru
  • Score: 5

2:11am Mon 12 May 14

petethephantom says...

andoru wrote:
petethephantom wrote:
SaintSteve76 wrote:
At the beginning of the season I seem to remember an interview with cortese on sky sports during the pre season training camp in which he said there is no reason why southampton can't finish in the top 4 and he strengthened those claims by making high profile signings for big transfer fees such as wanyama, osvaldo, lovren, and before them there was ramirez. Many players were also heard saying that this club should be aiming for a top 4 finish and this mentality was obviously instilled into them by cortese and pochettino. To me it seems like this ambition and vision has completely dissapeared. I certainly never heard cortese say something along the lines of other teams having more financial power than us and the club needing to live within its means. I'm pretty sure that cortese didn't appoint and convince pochettino to take over as manager so that we could produce a fantastic young team and then sell our star players. Pochettino would never have agreed to be manager had this been the case. The constant speculation and unconvincing responses from the board are inviting teams like Man U to bid for our stars. I may yet be proved wrong and I hope I am.
umm, I still feel if our goalkeeper Boruc, didn't get injured, no disrespect to our sub goalies but we did drop valuable points in those games that would have us higher up the table.
I am a saint thru and thru but if these players want to go,( i.e. shaw , lallana etc) well I'd let them as for 1 i'd rather have someone with his heart and sole play for the club and 2) the money we can get for these players we can expand on and become even more stronger.
Is just an opinion, time will tell
"the money we can get for these players we can expand on and become even more stronger"

Who do you propose we buy to replace Lallana and Shaw? If comparable players exist, why aren't Utd trying to sign them instead?

Answer: Because right now in world football there aren't that many players doing what they do, or with their potential. There isn't really anyone that we could buy to fill in for Lallana and left backs are at a premium right now, with several clubs in need of one (Spurs are after one as well).
Is more I think shaw will go than lallana, in fact I hope lallana stays. We will get rid of osvaldio (spelling) and maybe one or 2 others but I hope adam stays, otherwise he may become a bench player at those clubs, which is a shame. We definitely need to strengthen at least our bench or back up players, some or most of the senior bench players have been on long term injury lists, which effected us dropping valuable points or games.
One thing amazes me is that we are always linked to celtic players no matter whom or what position. I know in business if someone wants to leave basically then after announced they are on "gardening leave", but I have not read or heard officially of any players wanting to jump ship, more saying they want "the poch" to stay. Hence the comment.
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]petethephantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintSteve76[/bold] wrote: At the beginning of the season I seem to remember an interview with cortese on sky sports during the pre season training camp in which he said there is no reason why southampton can't finish in the top 4 and he strengthened those claims by making high profile signings for big transfer fees such as wanyama, osvaldo, lovren, and before them there was ramirez. Many players were also heard saying that this club should be aiming for a top 4 finish and this mentality was obviously instilled into them by cortese and pochettino. To me it seems like this ambition and vision has completely dissapeared. I certainly never heard cortese say something along the lines of other teams having more financial power than us and the club needing to live within its means. I'm pretty sure that cortese didn't appoint and convince pochettino to take over as manager so that we could produce a fantastic young team and then sell our star players. Pochettino would never have agreed to be manager had this been the case. The constant speculation and unconvincing responses from the board are inviting teams like Man U to bid for our stars. I may yet be proved wrong and I hope I am.[/p][/quote]umm, I still feel if our goalkeeper Boruc, didn't get injured, no disrespect to our sub goalies but we did drop valuable points in those games that would have us higher up the table. I am a saint thru and thru but if these players want to go,( i.e. shaw , lallana etc) well I'd let them as for 1 i'd rather have someone with his heart and sole play for the club and 2) the money we can get for these players we can expand on and become even more stronger. Is just an opinion, time will tell[/p][/quote]"the money we can get for these players we can expand on and become even more stronger" Who do you propose we buy to replace Lallana and Shaw? If comparable players exist, why aren't Utd trying to sign them instead? Answer: Because right now in world football there aren't that many players doing what they do, or with their potential. There isn't really anyone that we could buy to fill in for Lallana and left backs are at a premium right now, with several clubs in need of one (Spurs are after one as well).[/p][/quote]Is more I think shaw will go than lallana, in fact I hope lallana stays. We will get rid of osvaldio (spelling) and maybe one or 2 others but I hope adam stays, otherwise he may become a bench player at those clubs, which is a shame. We definitely need to strengthen at least our bench or back up players, some or most of the senior bench players have been on long term injury lists, which effected us dropping valuable points or games. One thing amazes me is that we are always linked to celtic players no matter whom or what position. I know in business if someone wants to leave basically then after announced they are on "gardening leave", but I have not read or heard officially of any players wanting to jump ship, more saying they want "the poch" to stay. Hence the comment. petethephantom
  • Score: 0

2:54am Mon 12 May 14

Mosin85 says...

am not looking forward to this summer, i hope no one leaves and we strengthen the team as this team has huge potential dont need to be huge signings apart from maybe a 15 mill striker. club will never grow unless they win things or challange for things.

if we are going to use are great youth set up to produce players for every one else then we might as well have just stayed in the championship, really thought the painfull days of seeing bale theo and ox leaving where over.

i know its only media gossip but this is heart breaking. i love Saints always have always will but if we are going to be a selling club like the old days then the club can only go one way and thats down................
.

Lallana and the team must stay together. they way they play for each other is like a family, fs you start taking members out it'll slowly rip the team apart and are style of football with it..........

you never sell your stars you add to them, you sell your fringe players.

think i might stay away from all football news till the first game of the season and see how much damage is done...
am not looking forward to this summer, i hope no one leaves and we strengthen the team as this team has huge potential dont need to be huge signings apart from maybe a 15 mill striker. club will never grow unless they win things or challange for things. if we are going to use are great youth set up to produce players for every one else then we might as well have just stayed in the championship, really thought the painfull days of seeing bale theo and ox leaving where over. i know its only media gossip but this is heart breaking. i love Saints always have always will but if we are going to be a selling club like the old days then the club can only go one way and thats down................ . Lallana and the team must stay together. they way they play for each other is like a family, fs you start taking members out it'll slowly rip the team apart and are style of football with it.......... you never sell your stars you add to them, you sell your fringe players. think i might stay away from all football news till the first game of the season and see how much damage is done... Mosin85
  • Score: 2

4:44am Mon 12 May 14

Rising_Son says...

upwherewebelong wrote:
In the statement "the fans have to accept that conversations would have to be had with other clubs" I can help but feel betrayed by Krueger clearly he has no feelings for the club unless he means a simple conversation to say "they're not for sale" despite the propaganda he spun when joining he has in my opinion been brought in to undermine and destroy all the work Cortese and Pochettino and Reed have done to form a really good and enjoyable team to watch. Thanks Krueger for NOTHING I respectfully suggest he goes back to Ice Hockey as I see no evidence he understands Southampton or Football
In order to buy players, we need to talk to other clubs. Read the sentence more carefully next time, please.
[quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: In the statement "the fans have to accept that conversations would have to be had with other clubs" I can help but feel betrayed by Krueger clearly he has no feelings for the club unless he means a simple conversation to say "they're not for sale" despite the propaganda he spun when joining he has in my opinion been brought in to undermine and destroy all the work Cortese and Pochettino and Reed have done to form a really good and enjoyable team to watch. Thanks Krueger for NOTHING I respectfully suggest he goes back to Ice Hockey as I see no evidence he understands Southampton or Football[/p][/quote]In order to buy players, we need to talk to other clubs. Read the sentence more carefully next time, please. Rising_Son
  • Score: 4

4:48am Mon 12 May 14

Rising_Son says...

SaintSteve76 wrote:
just kidding wrote:
This is a feckin joke, to start with, he is worth far more than that number. But if the club needs 27 mil that bad, then surely they could get close to that by selling Osvaldo, Ramirez and a couple of others. Not that I think the club really needs the money, especially when you consider how much will come back to the club now and in the future if we keep our best players. Its false economy to not pay these players the going rate. We don't need to sell! We are the future!
The problem is we've invited these low bids by not issuing a hands off warning and by not declaring that no key players are for sale. If we're going to sell Shaw and a maybe 1 or 2 others we might as well not have spent so much money on players like wanyama and osvaldo. We could quite easily finish in the top four by keeping this team together along with 1 or 2 additions but it seems more and more likely that the board want to cash in on our star players. People are possibly starting to find out why cortese left so rashly when he was so involved in the club and the vision. It seems like he wasn't given the backing and assurances.
We may be "inviting low bids", but that is no reason to accept low bids.
[quote][p][bold]SaintSteve76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]just kidding[/bold] wrote: This is a feckin joke, to start with, he is worth far more than that number. But if the club needs 27 mil that bad, then surely they could get close to that by selling Osvaldo, Ramirez and a couple of others. Not that I think the club really needs the money, especially when you consider how much will come back to the club now and in the future if we keep our best players. Its false economy to not pay these players the going rate. We don't need to sell! We are the future![/p][/quote]The problem is we've invited these low bids by not issuing a hands off warning and by not declaring that no key players are for sale. If we're going to sell Shaw and a maybe 1 or 2 others we might as well not have spent so much money on players like wanyama and osvaldo. We could quite easily finish in the top four by keeping this team together along with 1 or 2 additions but it seems more and more likely that the board want to cash in on our star players. People are possibly starting to find out why cortese left so rashly when he was so involved in the club and the vision. It seems like he wasn't given the backing and assurances.[/p][/quote]We may be "inviting low bids", but that is no reason to accept low bids. Rising_Son
  • Score: 4

4:48am Mon 12 May 14

Rising_Son says...

Or any bids at all for that matter.
Or any bids at all for that matter. Rising_Son
  • Score: 7

5:07am Mon 12 May 14

andoru says...

Rising_Son wrote:
upwherewebelong wrote:
In the statement "the fans have to accept that conversations would have to be had with other clubs" I can help but feel betrayed by Krueger clearly he has no feelings for the club unless he means a simple conversation to say "they're not for sale" despite the propaganda he spun when joining he has in my opinion been brought in to undermine and destroy all the work Cortese and Pochettino and Reed have done to form a really good and enjoyable team to watch. Thanks Krueger for NOTHING I respectfully suggest he goes back to Ice Hockey as I see no evidence he understands Southampton or Football
In order to buy players, we need to talk to other clubs. Read the sentence more carefully next time, please.
Why would "the fans have to accept" something positive like talking to other clubs to BUY players? That doesn't quite make sense.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: In the statement "the fans have to accept that conversations would have to be had with other clubs" I can help but feel betrayed by Krueger clearly he has no feelings for the club unless he means a simple conversation to say "they're not for sale" despite the propaganda he spun when joining he has in my opinion been brought in to undermine and destroy all the work Cortese and Pochettino and Reed have done to form a really good and enjoyable team to watch. Thanks Krueger for NOTHING I respectfully suggest he goes back to Ice Hockey as I see no evidence he understands Southampton or Football[/p][/quote]In order to buy players, we need to talk to other clubs. Read the sentence more carefully next time, please.[/p][/quote]Why would "the fans have to accept" something positive like talking to other clubs to BUY players? That doesn't quite make sense. andoru
  • Score: 0

6:24am Mon 12 May 14

White and red till dead says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
If we do sell there is no rush to do a deal. If we do then I will be very disappointed. I live in hope that Krueger is the real deal but I'm increasingly worried by his crap statements.
Agree. I thought he was brought in amongst other things on the basis of his motivational skills. I certainly don't feel motivated by his statements...
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: If we do sell there is no rush to do a deal. If we do then I will be very disappointed. I live in hope that Krueger is the real deal but I'm increasingly worried by his crap statements.[/p][/quote]Agree. I thought he was brought in amongst other things on the basis of his motivational skills. I certainly don't feel motivated by his statements... White and red till dead
  • Score: 1

7:37am Mon 12 May 14

Blackknight says...

Lets screw Manure and the Glazer’s for every penny, at least £40 million plus Büttner and Manure have got themselves a deal.

Then time to get the check book out.
Lets screw Manure and the Glazer’s for every penny, at least £40 million plus Büttner and Manure have got themselves a deal. Then time to get the check book out. Blackknight
  • Score: -2

7:57am Mon 12 May 14

Saint Jinx says...

I really am fed up with all this. All that Match of the Day could talk about was the f.....g transfers of our stars. This is disgusting and entirely disrespectful to our club and our fans. What is the point of spending all that money over the years, giving the kids hopes and dreams, if we are just going to sell our best players and roll over and accept mediocrity. At least Alan Hansen, who was understandably emotional last night, was respectful and so was Alan Shearer.
I really am fed up with all this. All that Match of the Day could talk about was the f.....g transfers of our stars. This is disgusting and entirely disrespectful to our club and our fans. What is the point of spending all that money over the years, giving the kids hopes and dreams, if we are just going to sell our best players and roll over and accept mediocrity. At least Alan Hansen, who was understandably emotional last night, was respectful and so was Alan Shearer. Saint Jinx
  • Score: 6

8:01am Mon 12 May 14

Saint Jinx says...

andoru wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
upwherewebelong wrote:
In the statement "the fans have to accept that conversations would have to be had with other clubs" I can help but feel betrayed by Krueger clearly he has no feelings for the club unless he means a simple conversation to say "they're not for sale" despite the propaganda he spun when joining he has in my opinion been brought in to undermine and destroy all the work Cortese and Pochettino and Reed have done to form a really good and enjoyable team to watch. Thanks Krueger for NOTHING I respectfully suggest he goes back to Ice Hockey as I see no evidence he understands Southampton or Football
In order to buy players, we need to talk to other clubs. Read the sentence more carefully next time, please.
Why would "the fans have to accept" something positive like talking to other clubs to BUY players? That doesn't quite make sense.
I agree. Why would he "soften" us up by saying "people have to respect...."
It sounds worrying and how I wish Cortese was still here...
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: In the statement "the fans have to accept that conversations would have to be had with other clubs" I can help but feel betrayed by Krueger clearly he has no feelings for the club unless he means a simple conversation to say "they're not for sale" despite the propaganda he spun when joining he has in my opinion been brought in to undermine and destroy all the work Cortese and Pochettino and Reed have done to form a really good and enjoyable team to watch. Thanks Krueger for NOTHING I respectfully suggest he goes back to Ice Hockey as I see no evidence he understands Southampton or Football[/p][/quote]In order to buy players, we need to talk to other clubs. Read the sentence more carefully next time, please.[/p][/quote]Why would "the fans have to accept" something positive like talking to other clubs to BUY players? That doesn't quite make sense.[/p][/quote]I agree. Why would he "soften" us up by saying "people have to respect...." It sounds worrying and how I wish Cortese was still here... Saint Jinx
  • Score: -3

8:09am Mon 12 May 14

Saint Jinx says...

Furthermore, I have never been happy about having someone from another sport as Chairman. People could say that Cortese didn't have a football history, but he was part of Marcus's dream.
Anyway, let's wait and see! Perhaps we'll be proved wrong and find that the two of them (Katharine and Krueger) have the same (positive) vision.
Furthermore, I have never been happy about having someone from another sport as Chairman. People could say that Cortese didn't have a football history, but he was part of Marcus's dream. Anyway, let's wait and see! Perhaps we'll be proved wrong and find that the two of them (Katharine and Krueger) have the same (positive) vision. Saint Jinx
  • Score: -1

8:21am Mon 12 May 14

NC Fan4Life says...

Luke & Adam are under contract and financially we don't need to sell, I hope we don't. However every player has his price and we should not hold them back if Saints cannot match their ambition.
So why would Luke go to Manure, they are not in the Champions League and certainly not for £27m, £40m more like, but keep him one more year.
Adam is different as he is now 26 and the next 3 years will be his best so it would be understandable if he thought his chances of Champions League are better elsewhere, but we need to show him otherwise to convince him to stay for at least one more season.
Les & Ralph whatever you do please DO NOT SELL BEFORE THE WORLD CUP as they will be worth more after it and with as many Saints players on duty will enhance Saints chances of signing the best replacements. Better still convince them to stay, sign the manager up today and go and get the targeted players now.
Luke & Adam are under contract and financially we don't need to sell, I hope we don't. However every player has his price and we should not hold them back if Saints cannot match their ambition. So why would Luke go to Manure, they are not in the Champions League and certainly not for £27m, £40m more like, but keep him one more year. Adam is different as he is now 26 and the next 3 years will be his best so it would be understandable if he thought his chances of Champions League are better elsewhere, but we need to show him otherwise to convince him to stay for at least one more season. Les & Ralph whatever you do please DO NOT SELL BEFORE THE WORLD CUP as they will be worth more after it and with as many Saints players on duty will enhance Saints chances of signing the best replacements. Better still convince them to stay, sign the manager up today and go and get the targeted players now. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 1

8:52am Mon 12 May 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
If we do sell there is no rush to do a deal. If we do then I will be very disappointed. I live in hope that Krueger is the real deal but I'm increasingly worried by his crap statements.
Yeah I agree,say what you like about Nicola,but I don't think there would have been quite so much anxiety around now if he was still here.
Having said that,it looks as though we have the excitement of looking forward to some new faces arriving,so whatever happens between now and next season,its still onwards and upwards.
I don't totally disagree with you both about Ralph but I think the jury is still out right now. Let's see what comes of these sit-down talks and, yes, enjoy the excitement of these coming months. Out with the old, in with the new and all that .......
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: If we do sell there is no rush to do a deal. If we do then I will be very disappointed. I live in hope that Krueger is the real deal but I'm increasingly worried by his crap statements.[/p][/quote]Yeah I agree,say what you like about Nicola,but I don't think there would have been quite so much anxiety around now if he was still here. Having said that,it looks as though we have the excitement of looking forward to some new faces arriving,so whatever happens between now and next season,its still onwards and upwards.[/p][/quote]I don't totally disagree with you both about Ralph but I think the jury is still out right now. Let's see what comes of these sit-down talks and, yes, enjoy the excitement of these coming months. Out with the old, in with the new and all that ....... Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 3

9:21am Mon 12 May 14

localnews says...

Said this a week ago Shaw to ManU £27 million was a done deal and that Les Reid was talking out of his @rse
Said this a week ago Shaw to ManU £27 million was a done deal and that Les Reid was talking out of his @rse localnews
  • Score: -3

9:27am Mon 12 May 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
If we do sell there is no rush to do a deal. If we do then I will be very disappointed. I live in hope that Krueger is the real deal but I'm increasingly worried by his crap statements.
Yeah I agree,say what you like about Nicola,but I don't think there would have been quite so much anxiety around now if he was still here.
Having said that,it looks as though we have the excitement of looking forward to some new faces arriving,so whatever happens between now and next season,its still onwards and upwards.
I don't totally disagree with you both about Ralph but I think the jury is still out right now. Let's see what comes of these sit-down talks and, yes, enjoy the excitement of these coming months. Out with the old, in with the new and all that .......
I think why everyone is so concerned,is that this is supposedly,the end of the " five year plan",so next year (with Cortese in place) would presumably have been the start of "phase two".With Nicola gone,and Ralph in place,no one can be quite so sure abut that happening
With Cortese in place,everything was always onwards and upwards.Whereas Ralph is as yet unproven.
Still,as you say,let's wait and see.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: If we do sell there is no rush to do a deal. If we do then I will be very disappointed. I live in hope that Krueger is the real deal but I'm increasingly worried by his crap statements.[/p][/quote]Yeah I agree,say what you like about Nicola,but I don't think there would have been quite so much anxiety around now if he was still here. Having said that,it looks as though we have the excitement of looking forward to some new faces arriving,so whatever happens between now and next season,its still onwards and upwards.[/p][/quote]I don't totally disagree with you both about Ralph but I think the jury is still out right now. Let's see what comes of these sit-down talks and, yes, enjoy the excitement of these coming months. Out with the old, in with the new and all that .......[/p][/quote]I think why everyone is so concerned,is that this is supposedly,the end of the " five year plan",so next year (with Cortese in place) would presumably have been the start of "phase two".With Nicola gone,and Ralph in place,no one can be quite so sure abut that happening With Cortese in place,everything was always onwards and upwards.Whereas Ralph is as yet unproven. Still,as you say,let's wait and see. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

10:13am Mon 12 May 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
If we do sell there is no rush to do a deal. If we do then I will be very disappointed. I live in hope that Krueger is the real deal but I'm increasingly worried by his crap statements.
Yeah I agree,say what you like about Nicola,but I don't think there would have been quite so much anxiety around now if he was still here.
Having said that,it looks as though we have the excitement of looking forward to some new faces arriving,so whatever happens between now and next season,its still onwards and upwards.
I don't totally disagree with you both about Ralph but I think the jury is still out right now. Let's see what comes of these sit-down talks and, yes, enjoy the excitement of these coming months. Out with the old, in with the new and all that .......
I think why everyone is so concerned,is that this is supposedly,the end of the " five year plan",so next year (with Cortese in place) would presumably have been the start of "phase two".With Nicola gone,and Ralph in place,no one can be quite so sure abut that happening
With Cortese in place,everything was always onwards and upwards.Whereas Ralph is as yet unproven.
Still,as you say,let's wait and see.
Yep! How we all miss The Don. I heard a rumour that even Tebourba doesn't know what to do with himself these days. Well, some of us did give him a few suggestions ......

I do think Seedhouse had a point - many threads and several days ago. He wrote something like, 'if this is the end of the original 5-year plan, then the 'next' plan should already have been put in place'.

In other words, you shouldn't wait for one business plan to end, it should be under constant review and annually updated.

Interesting day and week ahead.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: If we do sell there is no rush to do a deal. If we do then I will be very disappointed. I live in hope that Krueger is the real deal but I'm increasingly worried by his crap statements.[/p][/quote]Yeah I agree,say what you like about Nicola,but I don't think there would have been quite so much anxiety around now if he was still here. Having said that,it looks as though we have the excitement of looking forward to some new faces arriving,so whatever happens between now and next season,its still onwards and upwards.[/p][/quote]I don't totally disagree with you both about Ralph but I think the jury is still out right now. Let's see what comes of these sit-down talks and, yes, enjoy the excitement of these coming months. Out with the old, in with the new and all that .......[/p][/quote]I think why everyone is so concerned,is that this is supposedly,the end of the " five year plan",so next year (with Cortese in place) would presumably have been the start of "phase two".With Nicola gone,and Ralph in place,no one can be quite so sure abut that happening With Cortese in place,everything was always onwards and upwards.Whereas Ralph is as yet unproven. Still,as you say,let's wait and see.[/p][/quote]Yep! How we all miss The Don. I heard a rumour that even Tebourba doesn't know what to do with himself these days. Well, some of us did give him a few suggestions ...... I do think Seedhouse had a point - many threads and several days ago. He wrote something like, 'if this is the end of the original 5-year plan, then the 'next' plan should already have been put in place'. In other words, you shouldn't wait for one business plan to end, it should be under constant review and annually updated. Interesting day and week ahead. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 0

10:23am Mon 12 May 14

Rising_Son says...

andoru wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
upwherewebelong wrote:
In the statement "the fans have to accept that conversations would have to be had with other clubs" I can help but feel betrayed by Krueger clearly he has no feelings for the club unless he means a simple conversation to say "they're not for sale" despite the propaganda he spun when joining he has in my opinion been brought in to undermine and destroy all the work Cortese and Pochettino and Reed have done to form a really good and enjoyable team to watch. Thanks Krueger for NOTHING I respectfully suggest he goes back to Ice Hockey as I see no evidence he understands Southampton or Football
In order to buy players, we need to talk to other clubs. Read the sentence more carefully next time, please.
Why would "the fans have to accept" something positive like talking to other clubs to BUY players? That doesn't quite make sense.
The article makes it sound like the expression "the fans have to accept" was used as part of an answer to a question about selling Lallana and Shaw. I haven't seen a transcript, and until I do I will reserve judgement. I think we have had a lot of evidence in recent weeks about how things can be twisted beyond recognition by the press and tv pundits.
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: In the statement "the fans have to accept that conversations would have to be had with other clubs" I can help but feel betrayed by Krueger clearly he has no feelings for the club unless he means a simple conversation to say "they're not for sale" despite the propaganda he spun when joining he has in my opinion been brought in to undermine and destroy all the work Cortese and Pochettino and Reed have done to form a really good and enjoyable team to watch. Thanks Krueger for NOTHING I respectfully suggest he goes back to Ice Hockey as I see no evidence he understands Southampton or Football[/p][/quote]In order to buy players, we need to talk to other clubs. Read the sentence more carefully next time, please.[/p][/quote]Why would "the fans have to accept" something positive like talking to other clubs to BUY players? That doesn't quite make sense.[/p][/quote]The article makes it sound like the expression "the fans have to accept" was used as part of an answer to a question about selling Lallana and Shaw. I haven't seen a transcript, and until I do I will reserve judgement. I think we have had a lot of evidence in recent weeks about how things can be twisted beyond recognition by the press and tv pundits. Rising_Son
  • Score: 0

10:27am Mon 12 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

localnews wrote:
Said this a week ago Shaw to ManU £27 million was a done deal and that Les Reid was talking out of his @rse
has the deal been finalised then?
come back and `gloat` when luke is pictured in the manure shirt!
[quote][p][bold]localnews[/bold] wrote: Said this a week ago Shaw to ManU £27 million was a done deal and that Les Reid was talking out of his @rse[/p][/quote]has the deal been finalised then? come back and `gloat` when luke is pictured in the manure shirt! el caballo santos101
  • Score: 0

12:06pm Mon 12 May 14

localnews says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
localnews wrote:
Said this a week ago Shaw to ManU £27 million was a done deal and that Les Reid was talking out of his @rse
has the deal been finalised then?
come back and `gloat` when luke is pictured in the manure shirt!
Nothing to "gloat" about,This transfer has been sorted according to an ex Saints player who said he knew what was going on after talking with his agent,all I'm saying is we the fan's have been led to believe no sales where finalised or talked about before the season ended and we have been lied to.
I hope it's wrong and also hope we can keep our most promising group( ever ) together,Saints could go all the way with the right investment,I just think people like Les Reid should be honest or keep quiet
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]localnews[/bold] wrote: Said this a week ago Shaw to ManU £27 million was a done deal and that Les Reid was talking out of his @rse[/p][/quote]has the deal been finalised then? come back and `gloat` when luke is pictured in the manure shirt![/p][/quote]Nothing to "gloat" about,This transfer has been sorted according to an ex Saints player who said he knew what was going on after talking with his agent,all I'm saying is we the fan's have been led to believe no sales where finalised or talked about before the season ended and we have been lied to. I hope it's wrong and also hope we can keep our most promising group( ever ) together,Saints could go all the way with the right investment,I just think people like Les Reid should be honest or keep quiet localnews
  • Score: -1

6:04pm Mon 12 May 14

upwherewebelong says...

andoru wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
upwherewebelong wrote:
In the statement "the fans have to accept that conversations would have to be had with other clubs" I can help but feel betrayed by Krueger clearly he has no feelings for the club unless he means a simple conversation to say "they're not for sale" despite the propaganda he spun when joining he has in my opinion been brought in to undermine and destroy all the work Cortese and Pochettino and Reed have done to form a really good and enjoyable team to watch. Thanks Krueger for NOTHING I respectfully suggest he goes back to Ice Hockey as I see no evidence he understands Southampton or Football
In order to buy players, we need to talk to other clubs. Read the sentence more carefully next time, please.
Why would "the fans have to accept" something positive like talking to other clubs to BUY players? That doesn't quite make sense.
Rising Son as others have already pointed out why would we be against talking to clubs to buy players quite simply we wouldn't and I never heard Pochettino and Cortese saying we'd have to accept that discussions would be taking place. Krueger is a little patronising in my opinion as clearly I know that to facilitate transfers conversations need to be had. I am concerned that Krueger doesn't have anywhere near the same ambition for Saints FC that Cortese did. Just proves better the devil you know than the one you don't. I fully accept it's early days but Krueger has a lot of work to do in the summer to stop the anxiousness that he is causing
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: In the statement "the fans have to accept that conversations would have to be had with other clubs" I can help but feel betrayed by Krueger clearly he has no feelings for the club unless he means a simple conversation to say "they're not for sale" despite the propaganda he spun when joining he has in my opinion been brought in to undermine and destroy all the work Cortese and Pochettino and Reed have done to form a really good and enjoyable team to watch. Thanks Krueger for NOTHING I respectfully suggest he goes back to Ice Hockey as I see no evidence he understands Southampton or Football[/p][/quote]In order to buy players, we need to talk to other clubs. Read the sentence more carefully next time, please.[/p][/quote]Why would "the fans have to accept" something positive like talking to other clubs to BUY players? That doesn't quite make sense.[/p][/quote]Rising Son as others have already pointed out why would we be against talking to clubs to buy players quite simply we wouldn't and I never heard Pochettino and Cortese saying we'd have to accept that discussions would be taking place. Krueger is a little patronising in my opinion as clearly I know that to facilitate transfers conversations need to be had. I am concerned that Krueger doesn't have anywhere near the same ambition for Saints FC that Cortese did. Just proves better the devil you know than the one you don't. I fully accept it's early days but Krueger has a lot of work to do in the summer to stop the anxiousness that he is causing upwherewebelong
  • Score: 2

9:58pm Mon 12 May 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

localnews wrote:
Said this a week ago Shaw to ManU £27 million was a done deal and that Les Reid was talking out of his @rse
Who is Les Reid?
[quote][p][bold]localnews[/bold] wrote: Said this a week ago Shaw to ManU £27 million was a done deal and that Les Reid was talking out of his @rse[/p][/quote]Who is Les Reid? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

10:00pm Mon 12 May 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

localnews wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
localnews wrote:
Said this a week ago Shaw to ManU £27 million was a done deal and that Les Reid was talking out of his @rse
has the deal been finalised then?
come back and `gloat` when luke is pictured in the manure shirt!
Nothing to "gloat" about,This transfer has been sorted according to an ex Saints player who said he knew what was going on after talking with his agent,all I'm saying is we the fan's have been led to believe no sales where finalised or talked about before the season ended and we have been lied to.
I hope it's wrong and also hope we can keep our most promising group( ever ) together,Saints could go all the way with the right investment,I just think people like Les Reid should be honest or keep quiet
I have my blinkers on, only the facts as they appear on the OS will be believed, nothing else will be considered, so don't bother with rumour, speculation or opinion as it will be simply ignored.
[quote][p][bold]localnews[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]localnews[/bold] wrote: Said this a week ago Shaw to ManU £27 million was a done deal and that Les Reid was talking out of his @rse[/p][/quote]has the deal been finalised then? come back and `gloat` when luke is pictured in the manure shirt![/p][/quote]Nothing to "gloat" about,This transfer has been sorted according to an ex Saints player who said he knew what was going on after talking with his agent,all I'm saying is we the fan's have been led to believe no sales where finalised or talked about before the season ended and we have been lied to. I hope it's wrong and also hope we can keep our most promising group( ever ) together,Saints could go all the way with the right investment,I just think people like Les Reid should be honest or keep quiet[/p][/quote]I have my blinkers on, only the facts as they appear on the OS will be believed, nothing else will be considered, so don't bother with rumour, speculation or opinion as it will be simply ignored. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

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