Jose Fonte: Can the Saints board's ambition match that of the players?

Basingstoke Gazette: Jose Fonte Jose Fonte

Jose Fonte insists Saints face a pivotal summer and hopes the club will “match the ambition of the players.”

The centre half, who kept another clean sheet with his team in a 2-0 win over Everton, wants to push on and aim for the top six next season.

But with the futures of the manager and star players up in the air, and no definitive news on whether the club wishes to also spend significantly to improve, Fonte is waiting to see.

“Yes, definitely so,” he said when asked if this was a pivotal summer for Saints.

“We will wait to see what is going to happen.

“Of course that is the aim (top six) but we need to see what happens this summer.

“If the club decides to go for it or not.

“We want to be successful and to push forward for better things so let’s hope that they can match the ambition of the players.”

Fonte, right, added: “Of course to get better we need better players than we have. There is no point in bringing in lower quality.

“We need to bring in top quality for us to fight for the top four, otherwise it is very difficult.”

Among those continually linked with a big money move away from the club is teenage left back Luke Shaw.

Fonte said: “He is one of those players who knows that he is a good player, he knows that he has the ability, he is one of those kids who doesn’t care about anything but to do the job.

“He is not affected by anything. He is very confident in his ability.

“For me, he is almost on the plane to Brazil.

“Luke is young and fearless and goes forward and everyone knows he is a top player. If he doesn’t go to Brazil, I would be very shocked.”

It was another fine display from Saints to stun Champions League chasing Everton.

“Maybe we got back to basics and where we were at the beginning of the season,” reflected Fonte.

“It was important to have Victor, as he helped us a lot, and Clyney was man of the match.

“For me and Dejan, it is easier when we have that help.”

He added: “We made Everton look bad.

“You have to give us credit. We are a very strong team, especially at home. We have dominated against everyone here.

“Credit to their manager and players, they tried their best, but we were best on the day.”

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7:26am Mon 28 Apr 14

Velleity says...

"But with the futures of the manager and star players up in the air..."

What? WHAT? I bet Les Reed's annoyed that he wasted time clarifying the position the other day when even the local paper, the one that he might expect to show some interest, can come out with this line.
"But with the futures of the manager and star players up in the air..." What? WHAT? I bet Les Reed's annoyed that he wasted time clarifying the position the other day when even the local paper, the one that he might expect to show some interest, can come out with this line. Velleity
  • Score: 25

7:46am Mon 28 Apr 14

Golden_Salamander says...

The Echo could have written an article with Jack comment from Sat on Radio Solent.

".... Everyone WANTS TO STAY HERE and play here....."

but everyone seems to have ignored those comments

2.58 mins in.
https://audioboo.fm/
boos/2106880-jack-co
rk-speaks-to-bigadam
sport-after-saintsfc
-beat-everton-2-0-ea
rlier-today#t=2m53s
The Echo could have written an article with Jack comment from Sat on Radio Solent. ".... Everyone WANTS TO STAY HERE and play here....." but everyone seems to have ignored those comments 2.58 mins in. https://audioboo.fm/ boos/2106880-jack-co rk-speaks-to-bigadam sport-after-saintsfc -beat-everton-2-0-ea rlier-today#t=2m53s Golden_Salamander
  • Score: 14

8:18am Mon 28 Apr 14

Costa Baz says...

Seems everyone in the media is determined to ask leading questions, to get players talking about the summer.

Hopefully, when MP sits down with the board, AND agrees to extend his contract, HE will then re-assure the players that the future is bright.
Then, maybe, when players are asked the same leading questions, their response can be more positive.
Seems everyone in the media is determined to ask leading questions, to get players talking about the summer. Hopefully, when MP sits down with the board, AND agrees to extend his contract, HE will then re-assure the players that the future is bright. Then, maybe, when players are asked the same leading questions, their response can be more positive. Costa Baz
  • Score: 13

8:27am Mon 28 Apr 14

Rooflas says...

I think all poch has said is rather than talk about lallana's future he would rather talk about our victory, that's how I see it.

All this speculation is just that, speculation. After our performances this season it's only natural our players get some interest. Every one has got a price and we can't compete with the manchersters and Chelsea. I wouldn't be surprised if at least one leaves but at the same time, I think they will remain together with poch!
I think all poch has said is rather than talk about lallana's future he would rather talk about our victory, that's how I see it. All this speculation is just that, speculation. After our performances this season it's only natural our players get some interest. Every one has got a price and we can't compete with the manchersters and Chelsea. I wouldn't be surprised if at least one leaves but at the same time, I think they will remain together with poch! Rooflas
  • Score: 7

8:31am Mon 28 Apr 14

jls217 says...

Reed wouldn't lie to the fans just to boost season tickets and shirt sales would he??????
I can't see the jewels in the crown leaving this season. If we haven't made a more significant mark on the premiership by the end of next season - I can see some wanting to go and we shouldn't really blame them for that no matter how saddened we are by it.
All down to the two/three players Poochie can convince to come here over the summer and if there are a couple ready to step up from the reserves/youth sides.
We are an emerging force - If I had ever been blessed with the skills to be a pro I would want to hitch my wagon to Saints and take it as far as it could go but when agents start talking they can sway any young mind.
In my crystal ball I see a keeper coming in to give Borat competition. There will be a quality CB arriving, a tried and tested old head striker with another young emerging striker to fill in for him and an out and out speedster for the flanks. And we WILL win a trophy and qualify for Europe too. Can't wait for next season.
Reed wouldn't lie to the fans just to boost season tickets and shirt sales would he?????? I can't see the jewels in the crown leaving this season. If we haven't made a more significant mark on the premiership by the end of next season - I can see some wanting to go and we shouldn't really blame them for that no matter how saddened we are by it. All down to the two/three players Poochie can convince to come here over the summer and if there are a couple ready to step up from the reserves/youth sides. We are an emerging force - If I had ever been blessed with the skills to be a pro I would want to hitch my wagon to Saints and take it as far as it could go but when agents start talking they can sway any young mind. In my crystal ball I see a keeper coming in to give Borat competition. There will be a quality CB arriving, a tried and tested old head striker with another young emerging striker to fill in for him and an out and out speedster for the flanks. And we WILL win a trophy and qualify for Europe too. Can't wait for next season. jls217
  • Score: 13

8:34am Mon 28 Apr 14

invictus says...

Krueger gave a Q&A after the Everton match. He came across as intelligent and honest. I asked him how ambitious the club are? Does he see our future as a mid-table team, top 8, top 6 or perhaps top 4? His said he was ambitious and that only winning counted, a kind of generic answer. Re star players leaving he said he couldn't promise anything but hoped to keep the best players.
Krueger gave a Q&A after the Everton match. He came across as intelligent and honest. I asked him how ambitious the club are? Does he see our future as a mid-table team, top 8, top 6 or perhaps top 4? His said he was ambitious and that only winning counted, a kind of generic answer. Re star players leaving he said he couldn't promise anything but hoped to keep the best players. invictus
  • Score: 9

8:58am Mon 28 Apr 14

george chivers says...

invictus wrote:
Krueger gave a Q&A after the Everton match. He came across as intelligent and honest. I asked him how ambitious the club are? Does he see our future as a mid-table team, top 8, top 6 or perhaps top 4? His said he was ambitious and that only winning counted, a kind of generic answer. Re star players leaving he said he couldn't promise anything but hoped to keep the best players.
Seems like a more realistic statement than Les Reed's and the best we possibly expect. Good enough for me.
[quote][p][bold]invictus[/bold] wrote: Krueger gave a Q&A after the Everton match. He came across as intelligent and honest. I asked him how ambitious the club are? Does he see our future as a mid-table team, top 8, top 6 or perhaps top 4? His said he was ambitious and that only winning counted, a kind of generic answer. Re star players leaving he said he couldn't promise anything but hoped to keep the best players.[/p][/quote]Seems like a more realistic statement than Les Reed's and the best we possibly expect. Good enough for me. george chivers
  • Score: 3

9:37am Mon 28 Apr 14

Jan28th1984 says...

Good that the players are also dead keen to see the club push on and build on this season's 8th place.

"match the ambition of the players" I like that quote... I guess the players want what we want - European nights at SMS, and if that's what they want it means they want to do it here, not elsewhere, and if the whole squad think that way they will talk the gaffer into it - he has already demonstrated his commitment to his club at Espanol.

So the Daily Mail can bog off.

Get in saints.
Good that the players are also dead keen to see the club push on and build on this season's 8th place. "match the ambition of the players" I like that quote... I guess the players want what we want - European nights at SMS, and if that's what they want it means they want to do it here, not elsewhere, and if the whole squad think that way they will talk the gaffer into it - he has already demonstrated his commitment to his club at Espanol. So the Daily Mail can bog off. Get in saints. Jan28th1984
  • Score: 4

9:45am Mon 28 Apr 14

SiamSaint says...

jls217 wrote:
Reed wouldn't lie to the fans just to boost season tickets and shirt sales would he??????
I can't see the jewels in the crown leaving this season. If we haven't made a more significant mark on the premiership by the end of next season - I can see some wanting to go and we shouldn't really blame them for that no matter how saddened we are by it.
All down to the two/three players Poochie can convince to come here over the summer and if there are a couple ready to step up from the reserves/youth sides.
We are an emerging force - If I had ever been blessed with the skills to be a pro I would want to hitch my wagon to Saints and take it as far as it could go but when agents start talking they can sway any young mind.
In my crystal ball I see a keeper coming in to give Borat competition. There will be a quality CB arriving, a tried and tested old head striker with another young emerging striker to fill in for him and an out and out speedster for the flanks. And we WILL win a trophy and qualify for Europe too. Can't wait for next season.
(Striped) shirt sales won't be a problem. Oh do let us have the classic Sanderson's barber's pole, with the collar. Oh please Ralphie, oh please? Boys in the park isn't it? Rickie turning up his collar, just before blasting a 40-yarder into the top of the onion sack, Ooh. Suits me.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: Reed wouldn't lie to the fans just to boost season tickets and shirt sales would he?????? I can't see the jewels in the crown leaving this season. If we haven't made a more significant mark on the premiership by the end of next season - I can see some wanting to go and we shouldn't really blame them for that no matter how saddened we are by it. All down to the two/three players Poochie can convince to come here over the summer and if there are a couple ready to step up from the reserves/youth sides. We are an emerging force - If I had ever been blessed with the skills to be a pro I would want to hitch my wagon to Saints and take it as far as it could go but when agents start talking they can sway any young mind. In my crystal ball I see a keeper coming in to give Borat competition. There will be a quality CB arriving, a tried and tested old head striker with another young emerging striker to fill in for him and an out and out speedster for the flanks. And we WILL win a trophy and qualify for Europe too. Can't wait for next season.[/p][/quote](Striped) shirt sales won't be a problem. Oh do let us have the classic Sanderson's barber's pole, with the collar. Oh please Ralphie, oh please? Boys in the park isn't it? Rickie turning up his collar, just before blasting a 40-yarder into the top of the onion sack, Ooh. Suits me. SiamSaint
  • Score: 1

9:50am Mon 28 Apr 14

Littleton-Saint says...

Our great club is bigger than its directors, players and manager. We will carry on regardless. If Lallana, Shaw and Spider are open to leaving, then they
need to consider that any move might mean less football in the first team with all the attendant frustration that that will bring. They are better off as Saints players if they really enjoy playing regular, first-team football. If they need an example of how leaving Saints can end a career prematurely, then consider Wayne Bridge!
Our great club is bigger than its directors, players and manager. We will carry on regardless. If Lallana, Shaw and Spider are open to leaving, then they need to consider that any move might mean less football in the first team with all the attendant frustration that that will bring. They are better off as Saints players if they really enjoy playing regular, first-team football. If they need an example of how leaving Saints can end a career prematurely, then consider Wayne Bridge! Littleton-Saint
  • Score: 8

10:08am Mon 28 Apr 14

miltonarcher says...

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  • Score: 7

10:14am Mon 28 Apr 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Littleton-Saint wrote:
Our great club is bigger than its directors, players and manager. We will carry on regardless. If Lallana, Shaw and Spider are open to leaving, then they
need to consider that any move might mean less football in the first team with all the attendant frustration that that will bring. They are better off as Saints players if they really enjoy playing regular, first-team football. If they need an example of how leaving Saints can end a career prematurely, then consider Wayne Bridge!
Steve Williams is also a great example, you could also take your pick of the Wallace brothers!
I know the 'we wont be able to keep our player's' lot will mention shearer, ox and Theo and whilst shearer did great you might also consider that it took Theo and ox Longer to 'break through' than it should have done, even now neither are considered starters for England, they might have progressed quicker and further had they stayed!
[quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote: Our great club is bigger than its directors, players and manager. We will carry on regardless. If Lallana, Shaw and Spider are open to leaving, then they need to consider that any move might mean less football in the first team with all the attendant frustration that that will bring. They are better off as Saints players if they really enjoy playing regular, first-team football. If they need an example of how leaving Saints can end a career prematurely, then consider Wayne Bridge![/p][/quote]Steve Williams is also a great example, you could also take your pick of the Wallace brothers! I know the 'we wont be able to keep our player's' lot will mention shearer, ox and Theo and whilst shearer did great you might also consider that it took Theo and ox Longer to 'break through' than it should have done, even now neither are considered starters for England, they might have progressed quicker and further had they stayed! el caballo santos101
  • Score: 6

10:32am Mon 28 Apr 14

Rooflas says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
Littleton-Saint wrote:
Our great club is bigger than its directors, players and manager. We will carry on regardless. If Lallana, Shaw and Spider are open to leaving, then they
need to consider that any move might mean less football in the first team with all the attendant frustration that that will bring. They are better off as Saints players if they really enjoy playing regular, first-team football. If they need an example of how leaving Saints can end a career prematurely, then consider Wayne Bridge!
Steve Williams is also a great example, you could also take your pick of the Wallace brothers!
I know the 'we wont be able to keep our player's' lot will mention shearer, ox and Theo and whilst shearer did great you might also consider that it took Theo and ox Longer to 'break through' than it should have done, even now neither are considered starters for England, they might have progressed quicker and further had they stayed!
Steve Williams won a trophy with arsenal and was a regular, rod Wallace won league title,Danny without realising had whatever he's got, Raymond was sh1t and I'm glad he went.

We need to keep poch, I don't think he's the finished article however these players are playing for him. It's important to keep players together, you have to bed in' new ones which can take months or not work at all (osvaldo, Ramirez?)
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote: Our great club is bigger than its directors, players and manager. We will carry on regardless. If Lallana, Shaw and Spider are open to leaving, then they need to consider that any move might mean less football in the first team with all the attendant frustration that that will bring. They are better off as Saints players if they really enjoy playing regular, first-team football. If they need an example of how leaving Saints can end a career prematurely, then consider Wayne Bridge![/p][/quote]Steve Williams is also a great example, you could also take your pick of the Wallace brothers! I know the 'we wont be able to keep our player's' lot will mention shearer, ox and Theo and whilst shearer did great you might also consider that it took Theo and ox Longer to 'break through' than it should have done, even now neither are considered starters for England, they might have progressed quicker and further had they stayed![/p][/quote]Steve Williams won a trophy with arsenal and was a regular, rod Wallace won league title,Danny without realising had whatever he's got, Raymond was sh1t and I'm glad he went. We need to keep poch, I don't think he's the finished article however these players are playing for him. It's important to keep players together, you have to bed in' new ones which can take months or not work at all (osvaldo, Ramirez?) Rooflas
  • Score: 1

11:12am Mon 28 Apr 14

Poole Tom says...

The problem I think we may have is that if our players go to the World Cup Finals as I am sure some of them will, they may well have their heads turned by players from Man Utd and Liverpool etc giving them the nod that they are wanted by those clubs and that if they were prepared to move they could probably expect to earn perhaps £30k or £40k per week more than we are currently paying them. In those circumstances I suspect that all of a sudden they would start angling for a move, not because they don`t enjoy playing for Saints, but because unlike us they are not fans of the club, but professionals with a very short career in which to make their money and try and win things. Some may argue that because these players may not be guaranteed a starting position in those teams they would prefer to stay with Saints, but I`m sure the players we are talking about would have enough confidence and belief in their own ability that they could hold down a regular place even at these bigger clubs. And if they did`nt they would still have the consolation of earning perhaps an extra two million a year for the duration of their contract. I really hope that I am wrong about this but unfortunately I think that is the reality of the situation.
The problem I think we may have is that if our players go to the World Cup Finals as I am sure some of them will, they may well have their heads turned by players from Man Utd and Liverpool etc giving them the nod that they are wanted by those clubs and that if they were prepared to move they could probably expect to earn perhaps £30k or £40k per week more than we are currently paying them. In those circumstances I suspect that all of a sudden they would start angling for a move, not because they don`t enjoy playing for Saints, but because unlike us they are not fans of the club, but professionals with a very short career in which to make their money and try and win things. Some may argue that because these players may not be guaranteed a starting position in those teams they would prefer to stay with Saints, but I`m sure the players we are talking about would have enough confidence and belief in their own ability that they could hold down a regular place even at these bigger clubs. And if they did`nt they would still have the consolation of earning perhaps an extra two million a year for the duration of their contract. I really hope that I am wrong about this but unfortunately I think that is the reality of the situation. Poole Tom
  • Score: 9

11:16am Mon 28 Apr 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Once again the Echo inserts a NEGATIVE statement that is accredited to no-one except the Echo. ( But with the futures of the manager and star players up in the air, etc )
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For me its quite simple ..... you either believe Les Reed or you dont.
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Quite obviously the Echo doesn't
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I have no reason whatsoever to cast doubt on his public statement ..... and once again our "local" paper does enough to get under the skins of the very people that we supporters rely on to keep us informed of club "events".
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I have been to many towns and cities over the years and have read local papers and have NEVER found one that's as negative about their local team as the Echo is
Once again the Echo inserts a NEGATIVE statement that is accredited to no-one except the Echo. ( But with the futures of the manager and star players up in the air, etc ) . For me its quite simple ..... you either believe Les Reed or you dont. . Quite obviously the Echo doesn't . I have no reason whatsoever to cast doubt on his public statement ..... and once again our "local" paper does enough to get under the skins of the very people that we supporters rely on to keep us informed of club "events". . I have been to many towns and cities over the years and have read local papers and have NEVER found one that's as negative about their local team as the Echo is Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 6

11:36am Mon 28 Apr 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Rooflas wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
Littleton-Saint wrote:
Our great club is bigger than its directors, players and manager. We will carry on regardless. If Lallana, Shaw and Spider are open to leaving, then they
need to consider that any move might mean less football in the first team with all the attendant frustration that that will bring. They are better off as Saints players if they really enjoy playing regular, first-team football. If they need an example of how leaving Saints can end a career prematurely, then consider Wayne Bridge!
Steve Williams is also a great example, you could also take your pick of the Wallace brothers!
I know the 'we wont be able to keep our player's' lot will mention shearer, ox and Theo and whilst shearer did great you might also consider that it took Theo and ox Longer to 'break through' than it should have done, even now neither are considered starters for England, they might have progressed quicker and further had they stayed!
Steve Williams won a trophy with arsenal and was a regular, rod Wallace won league title,Danny without realising had whatever he's got, Raymond was sh1t and I'm glad he went.

We need to keep poch, I don't think he's the finished article however these players are playing for him. It's important to keep players together, you have to bed in' new ones which can take months or not work at all (osvaldo, Ramirez?)
Williams did win a trophy at arsenil but his career tailed off years before it should have, arsenil sold him to luton after just three and a half years. his goal rate with us was a lot better than there and had he stayed he would have probably played for a lot longer in the top flight!
rod Wallace won at leeds and the charity shield, he also only won that there. again he could have moved to any top side in the country, but after leeds he went to rangers, another year or two at saints and who knows how far he could have got.he never made any England appearances in his career. he did ok but should he have done better? that's my point.
danny Wallace went to manure for a saints club record, he was there for 5 years but didn't play for the last 2! hes got Multiple sclerosis by the way!
ray Wallace did ok for saints but lost his place to dodd, he went to leeds with rod but only played 7 games!
I`m not saying the players didn't do ok but all were good/great players who could have done a lot better, maybe not at saints but we had a great team with the wallaces and had a chance to progress, much like now! most of their careers tailed off long before they should have and none got the international call ups they should have, only a hand full between them.
don't forget that Williams was also the captain of the 83/84 saints team that got to the cup semi and were runners up in the league. he left because the board allowed Big Mac to leave, the current board would do well to remember that we lost a lot of that squad when we lost the manger and were never the same again!
[quote][p][bold]Rooflas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote: Our great club is bigger than its directors, players and manager. We will carry on regardless. If Lallana, Shaw and Spider are open to leaving, then they need to consider that any move might mean less football in the first team with all the attendant frustration that that will bring. They are better off as Saints players if they really enjoy playing regular, first-team football. If they need an example of how leaving Saints can end a career prematurely, then consider Wayne Bridge![/p][/quote]Steve Williams is also a great example, you could also take your pick of the Wallace brothers! I know the 'we wont be able to keep our player's' lot will mention shearer, ox and Theo and whilst shearer did great you might also consider that it took Theo and ox Longer to 'break through' than it should have done, even now neither are considered starters for England, they might have progressed quicker and further had they stayed![/p][/quote]Steve Williams won a trophy with arsenal and was a regular, rod Wallace won league title,Danny without realising had whatever he's got, Raymond was sh1t and I'm glad he went. We need to keep poch, I don't think he's the finished article however these players are playing for him. It's important to keep players together, you have to bed in' new ones which can take months or not work at all (osvaldo, Ramirez?)[/p][/quote]Williams did win a trophy at arsenil but his career tailed off years before it should have, arsenil sold him to luton after just three and a half years. his goal rate with us was a lot better than there and had he stayed he would have probably played for a lot longer in the top flight! rod Wallace won at leeds and the charity shield, he also only won that there. again he could have moved to any top side in the country, but after leeds he went to rangers, another year or two at saints and who knows how far he could have got.he never made any England appearances in his career. he did ok but should he have done better? that's my point. danny Wallace went to manure for a saints club record, he was there for 5 years but didn't play for the last 2! hes got Multiple sclerosis by the way! ray Wallace did ok for saints but lost his place to dodd, he went to leeds with rod but only played 7 games! I`m not saying the players didn't do ok but all were good/great players who could have done a lot better, maybe not at saints but we had a great team with the wallaces and had a chance to progress, much like now! most of their careers tailed off long before they should have and none got the international call ups they should have, only a hand full between them. don't forget that Williams was also the captain of the 83/84 saints team that got to the cup semi and were runners up in the league. he left because the board allowed Big Mac to leave, the current board would do well to remember that we lost a lot of that squad when we lost the manger and were never the same again! el caballo santos101
  • Score: 5

11:47am Mon 28 Apr 14

Clever Dick says...

Really can't see Les Reed coming out with his statement if he didn't mean what he said. Even if it was a ploy to get season ticket holders on board it would seriously backfire on himself and the club the following season. And in addition he would have a pretty miserable season dealing with fan unrest this coming season. It's going to be difficult holding on to our stars given that we can't compete with the very biggest clubs on the wage front, but they do seem a pretty level headed bunch. The short career thing doesn't wash with me. Every one of our players who stays will end up as multi millionaires. Every one of them could afford to buy a decent house every year and still live very well. For example if their career lasted ten years with us and they ended up with nothing but the ten houses that income alone would guarantee them £10k a month. This is just an example and would be on the very low side of an estimate. Most would end up with an awful lot more.
Really can't see Les Reed coming out with his statement if he didn't mean what he said. Even if it was a ploy to get season ticket holders on board it would seriously backfire on himself and the club the following season. And in addition he would have a pretty miserable season dealing with fan unrest this coming season. It's going to be difficult holding on to our stars given that we can't compete with the very biggest clubs on the wage front, but they do seem a pretty level headed bunch. The short career thing doesn't wash with me. Every one of our players who stays will end up as multi millionaires. Every one of them could afford to buy a decent house every year and still live very well. For example if their career lasted ten years with us and they ended up with nothing but the ten houses that income alone would guarantee them £10k a month. This is just an example and would be on the very low side of an estimate. Most would end up with an awful lot more. Clever Dick
  • Score: 10

11:53am Mon 28 Apr 14

Confucious says...

Obviously, apart from maximising their own contracts, Poch and the players (and indeed the fans) want to hear if top four is the ambition - backed by the cash needed to retain our star assets, sign new additions and pay for the new training infrastructure.

But that may also boil down to whether the club should be run as a truly viable business or as an expensive hobby for Katherina.

I suspect most of us would choose the expensive hobby option regardless of whether that's wise in the long run. At the very minimum Saints fans in church would say: "I pray for patience and I want it right NOW!"
Obviously, apart from maximising their own contracts, Poch and the players (and indeed the fans) want to hear if top four is the ambition - backed by the cash needed to retain our star assets, sign new additions and pay for the new training infrastructure. But that may also boil down to whether the club should be run as a truly viable business or as an expensive hobby for Katherina. I suspect most of us would choose the expensive hobby option regardless of whether that's wise in the long run. At the very minimum Saints fans in church would say: "I pray for patience and I want it right NOW!" Confucious
  • Score: 7

12:21pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

You couldn't blame Les if he went on a gun rampage to be fair. Not only was his speech not reported nationally, but no one seems to have listened to him.

I do think the club and manager have been naïve over his contract though. All this 'leave it to the end of the season' crap has fanned the flames of the rumour mills. We are not fighting for promotion or against relegation so why leave it? To have got it done in plenty of time, as Cortese always did to be fair, would have given confidence to the fans and the players alike. Neither are we going to attract those new players we want and need without confirmation of the manager staying put either.

Hopefully they will learn from this. I know the board is new and has to find its feet but it's collective lack of Premier League experience - and all the nasty media, agents, tapping up etc - has shown. It's a job that if you take on you need to grow into very quickly.
You couldn't blame Les if he went on a gun rampage to be fair. Not only was his speech not reported nationally, but no one seems to have listened to him. I do think the club and manager have been naïve over his contract though. All this 'leave it to the end of the season' crap has fanned the flames of the rumour mills. We are not fighting for promotion or against relegation so why leave it? To have got it done in plenty of time, as Cortese always did to be fair, would have given confidence to the fans and the players alike. Neither are we going to attract those new players we want and need without confirmation of the manager staying put either. Hopefully they will learn from this. I know the board is new and has to find its feet but it's collective lack of Premier League experience - and all the nasty media, agents, tapping up etc - has shown. It's a job that if you take on you need to grow into very quickly. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 12

12:31pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Confucious wrote:
Obviously, apart from maximising their own contracts, Poch and the players (and indeed the fans) want to hear if top four is the ambition - backed by the cash needed to retain our star assets, sign new additions and pay for the new training infrastructure.

But that may also boil down to whether the club should be run as a truly viable business or as an expensive hobby for Katherina.

I suspect most of us would choose the expensive hobby option regardless of whether that's wise in the long run. At the very minimum Saints fans in church would say: "I pray for patience and I want it right NOW!"
The plan to retain our youth products has been there for five years now. The commitment to develop Staplewood was made two years ago. The unknown is whether they are prepared to spend fairly high sums in the transfer market. I priced our starting 11 the other day and it came to £15m! Yes there have been development costs but no other Prem team has achieved what we have with home grown talent. It needs some investment as the academy doesn't fill every position, but it probably doesn't need to be ludicrous.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Obviously, apart from maximising their own contracts, Poch and the players (and indeed the fans) want to hear if top four is the ambition - backed by the cash needed to retain our star assets, sign new additions and pay for the new training infrastructure. But that may also boil down to whether the club should be run as a truly viable business or as an expensive hobby for Katherina. I suspect most of us would choose the expensive hobby option regardless of whether that's wise in the long run. At the very minimum Saints fans in church would say: "I pray for patience and I want it right NOW!"[/p][/quote]The plan to retain our youth products has been there for five years now. The commitment to develop Staplewood was made two years ago. The unknown is whether they are prepared to spend fairly high sums in the transfer market. I priced our starting 11 the other day and it came to £15m! Yes there have been development costs but no other Prem team has achieved what we have with home grown talent. It needs some investment as the academy doesn't fill every position, but it probably doesn't need to be ludicrous. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 7

12:58pm Mon 28 Apr 14

george chivers says...

Confucious wrote:
Obviously, apart from maximising their own contracts, Poch and the players (and indeed the fans) want to hear if top four is the ambition - backed by the cash needed to retain our star assets, sign new additions and pay for the new training infrastructure.

But that may also boil down to whether the club should be run as a truly viable business or as an expensive hobby for Katherina.

I suspect most of us would choose the expensive hobby option regardless of whether that's wise in the long run. At the very minimum Saints fans in church would say: "I pray for patience and I want it right NOW!"
Quality post. And who knows the answer, only one person. I would guess it would be to run the club as a business but I would hope it would fall into the expensive hobby catergory. We shall see, hopefully within a month.

Something else to consider is if the board and the owner would prefer to deal with a German manager?
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Obviously, apart from maximising their own contracts, Poch and the players (and indeed the fans) want to hear if top four is the ambition - backed by the cash needed to retain our star assets, sign new additions and pay for the new training infrastructure. But that may also boil down to whether the club should be run as a truly viable business or as an expensive hobby for Katherina. I suspect most of us would choose the expensive hobby option regardless of whether that's wise in the long run. At the very minimum Saints fans in church would say: "I pray for patience and I want it right NOW!"[/p][/quote]Quality post. And who knows the answer, only one person. I would guess it would be to run the club as a business but I would hope it would fall into the expensive hobby catergory. We shall see, hopefully within a month. Something else to consider is if the board and the owner would prefer to deal with a German manager? george chivers
  • Score: -1

1:02pm Mon 28 Apr 14

george chivers says...

Littleton-Saint wrote:
Our great club is bigger than its directors, players and manager. We will carry on regardless. If Lallana, Shaw and Spider are open to leaving, then they
need to consider that any move might mean less football in the first team with all the attendant frustration that that will bring. They are better off as Saints players if they really enjoy playing regular, first-team football. If they need an example of how leaving Saints can end a career prematurely, then consider Wayne Bridge!
I've never heard Wayne Bridge complaining about the compensation package he got with Chelsea and City. If it were me I would take the money every time.
[quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote: Our great club is bigger than its directors, players and manager. We will carry on regardless. If Lallana, Shaw and Spider are open to leaving, then they need to consider that any move might mean less football in the first team with all the attendant frustration that that will bring. They are better off as Saints players if they really enjoy playing regular, first-team football. If they need an example of how leaving Saints can end a career prematurely, then consider Wayne Bridge![/p][/quote]I've never heard Wayne Bridge complaining about the compensation package he got with Chelsea and City. If it were me I would take the money every time. george chivers
  • Score: -2

1:04pm Mon 28 Apr 14

invictus says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Obviously, apart from maximising their own contracts, Poch and the players (and indeed the fans) want to hear if top four is the ambition - backed by the cash needed to retain our star assets, sign new additions and pay for the new training infrastructure.

But that may also boil down to whether the club should be run as a truly viable business or as an expensive hobby for Katherina.

I suspect most of us would choose the expensive hobby option regardless of whether that's wise in the long run. At the very minimum Saints fans in church would say: "I pray for patience and I want it right NOW!"
The plan to retain our youth products has been there for five years now. The commitment to develop Staplewood was made two years ago. The unknown is whether they are prepared to spend fairly high sums in the transfer market. I priced our starting 11 the other day and it came to £15m! Yes there have been development costs but no other Prem team has achieved what we have with home grown talent. It needs some investment as the academy doesn't fill every position, but it probably doesn't need to be ludicrous.
Well they don't plan on expanding the capacity of St Mary's, according to Krueger in the Q&A, so thats one cross against ambition, but does mean funds can be channeled into improving the squad.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Obviously, apart from maximising their own contracts, Poch and the players (and indeed the fans) want to hear if top four is the ambition - backed by the cash needed to retain our star assets, sign new additions and pay for the new training infrastructure. But that may also boil down to whether the club should be run as a truly viable business or as an expensive hobby for Katherina. I suspect most of us would choose the expensive hobby option regardless of whether that's wise in the long run. At the very minimum Saints fans in church would say: "I pray for patience and I want it right NOW!"[/p][/quote]The plan to retain our youth products has been there for five years now. The commitment to develop Staplewood was made two years ago. The unknown is whether they are prepared to spend fairly high sums in the transfer market. I priced our starting 11 the other day and it came to £15m! Yes there have been development costs but no other Prem team has achieved what we have with home grown talent. It needs some investment as the academy doesn't fill every position, but it probably doesn't need to be ludicrous.[/p][/quote]Well they don't plan on expanding the capacity of St Mary's, according to Krueger in the Q&A, so thats one cross against ambition, but does mean funds can be channeled into improving the squad. invictus
  • Score: 0

1:13pm Mon 28 Apr 14

ukfazerman says...

memo to players. grass not always greener on otherside.
be part of project and build something of your own, be proud and dont go for readymade. As long as club wants the same thing no problem.
memo to players. grass not always greener on otherside. be part of project and build something of your own, be proud and dont go for readymade. As long as club wants the same thing no problem. ukfazerman
  • Score: 3

1:21pm Mon 28 Apr 14

SPIKEISLANDTRADER says...

A long long SUMMER of SPECULATION is in store for us . Yes EVERYONE wants our stars , BUT are they HAPPY SETTLED and want to leave when they may be sat as SUBS until picked to play ??? The great bonus of being a SAINT s player , they know the set up and investment that has been put into our club and also THE VISION . This really will be a safety net and big plus to STAY
A long long SUMMER of SPECULATION is in store for us . Yes EVERYONE wants our stars , BUT are they HAPPY SETTLED and want to leave when they may be sat as SUBS until picked to play ??? The great bonus of being a SAINT s player , they know the set up and investment that has been put into our club and also THE VISION . This really will be a safety net and big plus to STAY SPIKEISLANDTRADER
  • Score: 5

1:21pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Rooflas says...

invictus wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Obviously, apart from maximising their own contracts, Poch and the players (and indeed the fans) want to hear if top four is the ambition - backed by the cash needed to retain our star assets, sign new additions and pay for the new training infrastructure.

But that may also boil down to whether the club should be run as a truly viable business or as an expensive hobby for Katherina.

I suspect most of us would choose the expensive hobby option regardless of whether that's wise in the long run. At the very minimum Saints fans in church would say: "I pray for patience and I want it right NOW!"
The plan to retain our youth products has been there for five years now. The commitment to develop Staplewood was made two years ago. The unknown is whether they are prepared to spend fairly high sums in the transfer market. I priced our starting 11 the other day and it came to £15m! Yes there have been development costs but no other Prem team has achieved what we have with home grown talent. It needs some investment as the academy doesn't fill every position, but it probably doesn't need to be ludicrous.
Well they don't plan on expanding the capacity of St Mary's, according to Krueger in the Q&A, so thats one cross against ambition, but does mean funds can be channeled into improving the squad.
A need to advertise and use the club commercially is a priority. At the moment we are a great advert as a young, exciting English team, we could tap into that some how. Sell the club globally, heighten our profile and fan base, this however will take time. More sell out crowds not just for league game but cup too. I wish he'd had played boruc in the cup defeat, we need that extra revenue and winning a cup is more realistic to European football.
We have to be positive and on the look out for any window to advertise as a club. We have fans coming from Winchester and as far as Salisbury, let's get the potential skate young ones before they can be infected with blue and turn it red, in short invade!
[quote][p][bold]invictus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Obviously, apart from maximising their own contracts, Poch and the players (and indeed the fans) want to hear if top four is the ambition - backed by the cash needed to retain our star assets, sign new additions and pay for the new training infrastructure. But that may also boil down to whether the club should be run as a truly viable business or as an expensive hobby for Katherina. I suspect most of us would choose the expensive hobby option regardless of whether that's wise in the long run. At the very minimum Saints fans in church would say: "I pray for patience and I want it right NOW!"[/p][/quote]The plan to retain our youth products has been there for five years now. The commitment to develop Staplewood was made two years ago. The unknown is whether they are prepared to spend fairly high sums in the transfer market. I priced our starting 11 the other day and it came to £15m! Yes there have been development costs but no other Prem team has achieved what we have with home grown talent. It needs some investment as the academy doesn't fill every position, but it probably doesn't need to be ludicrous.[/p][/quote]Well they don't plan on expanding the capacity of St Mary's, according to Krueger in the Q&A, so thats one cross against ambition, but does mean funds can be channeled into improving the squad.[/p][/quote]A need to advertise and use the club commercially is a priority. At the moment we are a great advert as a young, exciting English team, we could tap into that some how. Sell the club globally, heighten our profile and fan base, this however will take time. More sell out crowds not just for league game but cup too. I wish he'd had played boruc in the cup defeat, we need that extra revenue and winning a cup is more realistic to European football. We have to be positive and on the look out for any window to advertise as a club. We have fans coming from Winchester and as far as Salisbury, let's get the potential skate young ones before they can be infected with blue and turn it red, in short invade! Rooflas
  • Score: 4

1:43pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Confucious says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Obviously, apart from maximising their own contracts, Poch and the players (and indeed the fans) want to hear if top four is the ambition - backed by the cash needed to retain our star assets, sign new additions and pay for the new training infrastructure.

But that may also boil down to whether the club should be run as a truly viable business or as an expensive hobby for Katherina.

I suspect most of us would choose the expensive hobby option regardless of whether that's wise in the long run. At the very minimum Saints fans in church would say: "I pray for patience and I want it right NOW!"
The plan to retain our youth products has been there for five years now. The commitment to develop Staplewood was made two years ago. The unknown is whether they are prepared to spend fairly high sums in the transfer market. I priced our starting 11 the other day and it came to £15m! Yes there have been development costs but no other Prem team has achieved what we have with home grown talent. It needs some investment as the academy doesn't fill every position, but it probably doesn't need to be ludicrous.
I guess one problem is that we still owe a lot of money on the transfer market for last year's signings (and may well not get much back when we offload Osvaldo) - and we still have £30m bill for the training facility.

On the upside, the sale value of the club is now vastly more than Markus paid for it.

I'd love a top four next season, but quite honestly I'd be pretty happy with sixth or even seventh. For me the dark days of heading to Div 1 on minus 10 points are still too near to allow me to be anything other than very content with the top half of the Prem - and even now I sometimes wonder if I've just dreamed the last five seasons.

But whatever happens if Saints win it makes my week and if they lose it spoils my week.

It's all far from rational and there was an old scouse boy sat in floods of tears at Anfield yesterday after Chelsea beat Liverpool. We'll see plenty more tears on TV over the next couple of weeks as the final places are decided. I wonder what a Martian would make of it all?
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Obviously, apart from maximising their own contracts, Poch and the players (and indeed the fans) want to hear if top four is the ambition - backed by the cash needed to retain our star assets, sign new additions and pay for the new training infrastructure. But that may also boil down to whether the club should be run as a truly viable business or as an expensive hobby for Katherina. I suspect most of us would choose the expensive hobby option regardless of whether that's wise in the long run. At the very minimum Saints fans in church would say: "I pray for patience and I want it right NOW!"[/p][/quote]The plan to retain our youth products has been there for five years now. The commitment to develop Staplewood was made two years ago. The unknown is whether they are prepared to spend fairly high sums in the transfer market. I priced our starting 11 the other day and it came to £15m! Yes there have been development costs but no other Prem team has achieved what we have with home grown talent. It needs some investment as the academy doesn't fill every position, but it probably doesn't need to be ludicrous.[/p][/quote]I guess one problem is that we still owe a lot of money on the transfer market for last year's signings (and may well not get much back when we offload Osvaldo) - and we still have £30m bill for the training facility. On the upside, the sale value of the club is now vastly more than Markus paid for it. I'd love a top four next season, but quite honestly I'd be pretty happy with sixth or even seventh. For me the dark days of heading to Div 1 on minus 10 points are still too near to allow me to be anything other than very content with the top half of the Prem - and even now I sometimes wonder if I've just dreamed the last five seasons. But whatever happens if Saints win it makes my week and if they lose it spoils my week. It's all far from rational and there was an old scouse boy sat in floods of tears at Anfield yesterday after Chelsea beat Liverpool. We'll see plenty more tears on TV over the next couple of weeks as the final places are decided. I wonder what a Martian would make of it all? Confucious
  • Score: 7

1:48pm Mon 28 Apr 14

notaclue says...

Its going to be interesting, we do have to spend money but we also have to be self sustaining in the not too distant future.
You can't expect to spend millions we don't have and run up £30+m more debt every year, if you do then in the end it all falls down. That's not what we want and it's not what KL's ownership is all about.

We will spend money, I have no reason to doubt that everyone will deliver, since the moment they took over the club we have been stronger every year!!.
Its going to be interesting, we do have to spend money but we also have to be self sustaining in the not too distant future. You can't expect to spend millions we don't have and run up £30+m more debt every year, if you do then in the end it all falls down. That's not what we want and it's not what KL's ownership is all about. We will spend money, I have no reason to doubt that everyone will deliver, since the moment they took over the club we have been stronger every year!!. notaclue
  • Score: 3

1:58pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Andover Saint says...

Rooflas wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
Littleton-Saint wrote: Our great club is bigger than its directors, players and manager. We will carry on regardless. If Lallana, Shaw and Spider are open to leaving, then they need to consider that any move might mean less football in the first team with all the attendant frustration that that will bring. They are better off as Saints players if they really enjoy playing regular, first-team football. If they need an example of how leaving Saints can end a career prematurely, then consider Wayne Bridge!
Steve Williams is also a great example, you could also take your pick of the Wallace brothers! I know the 'we wont be able to keep our player's' lot will mention shearer, ox and Theo and whilst shearer did great you might also consider that it took Theo and ox Longer to 'break through' than it should have done, even now neither are considered starters for England, they might have progressed quicker and further had they stayed!
Steve Williams won a trophy with arsenal and was a regular, rod Wallace won league title,Danny without realising had whatever he's got, Raymond was sh1t and I'm glad he went. We need to keep poch, I don't think he's the finished article however these players are playing for him. It's important to keep players together, you have to bed in' new ones which can take months or not work at all (osvaldo, Ramirez?)
I think Bale is doing ok
[quote][p][bold]Rooflas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote: Our great club is bigger than its directors, players and manager. We will carry on regardless. If Lallana, Shaw and Spider are open to leaving, then they need to consider that any move might mean less football in the first team with all the attendant frustration that that will bring. They are better off as Saints players if they really enjoy playing regular, first-team football. If they need an example of how leaving Saints can end a career prematurely, then consider Wayne Bridge![/p][/quote]Steve Williams is also a great example, you could also take your pick of the Wallace brothers! I know the 'we wont be able to keep our player's' lot will mention shearer, ox and Theo and whilst shearer did great you might also consider that it took Theo and ox Longer to 'break through' than it should have done, even now neither are considered starters for England, they might have progressed quicker and further had they stayed![/p][/quote]Steve Williams won a trophy with arsenal and was a regular, rod Wallace won league title,Danny without realising had whatever he's got, Raymond was sh1t and I'm glad he went. We need to keep poch, I don't think he's the finished article however these players are playing for him. It's important to keep players together, you have to bed in' new ones which can take months or not work at all (osvaldo, Ramirez?)[/p][/quote]I think Bale is doing ok Andover Saint
  • Score: 1

2:00pm Mon 28 Apr 14

invictus says...

Rooflas wrote:
invictus wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Obviously, apart from maximising their own contracts, Poch and the players (and indeed the fans) want to hear if top four is the ambition - backed by the cash needed to retain our star assets, sign new additions and pay for the new training infrastructure.

But that may also boil down to whether the club should be run as a truly viable business or as an expensive hobby for Katherina.

I suspect most of us would choose the expensive hobby option regardless of whether that's wise in the long run. At the very minimum Saints fans in church would say: "I pray for patience and I want it right NOW!"
The plan to retain our youth products has been there for five years now. The commitment to develop Staplewood was made two years ago. The unknown is whether they are prepared to spend fairly high sums in the transfer market. I priced our starting 11 the other day and it came to £15m! Yes there have been development costs but no other Prem team has achieved what we have with home grown talent. It needs some investment as the academy doesn't fill every position, but it probably doesn't need to be ludicrous.
Well they don't plan on expanding the capacity of St Mary's, according to Krueger in the Q&A, so thats one cross against ambition, but does mean funds can be channeled into improving the squad.
A need to advertise and use the club commercially is a priority. At the moment we are a great advert as a young, exciting English team, we could tap into that some how. Sell the club globally, heighten our profile and fan base, this however will take time. More sell out crowds not just for league game but cup too. I wish he'd had played boruc in the cup defeat, we need that extra revenue and winning a cup is more realistic to European football.
We have to be positive and on the look out for any window to advertise as a club. We have fans coming from Winchester and as far as Salisbury, let's get the potential skate young ones before they can be infected with blue and turn it red, in short invade!
Agree we need to be more proactive commercially. Our Academy is world famous and almost a stand-alone brand so why not find a sponsor for it? We should also have a sponsor for our training kit and license out Saints merchandise in key International markets. Such actions would not only generate revenue but raise our profile and make us more attractive to sponsors.
[quote][p][bold]Rooflas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]invictus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Obviously, apart from maximising their own contracts, Poch and the players (and indeed the fans) want to hear if top four is the ambition - backed by the cash needed to retain our star assets, sign new additions and pay for the new training infrastructure. But that may also boil down to whether the club should be run as a truly viable business or as an expensive hobby for Katherina. I suspect most of us would choose the expensive hobby option regardless of whether that's wise in the long run. At the very minimum Saints fans in church would say: "I pray for patience and I want it right NOW!"[/p][/quote]The plan to retain our youth products has been there for five years now. The commitment to develop Staplewood was made two years ago. The unknown is whether they are prepared to spend fairly high sums in the transfer market. I priced our starting 11 the other day and it came to £15m! Yes there have been development costs but no other Prem team has achieved what we have with home grown talent. It needs some investment as the academy doesn't fill every position, but it probably doesn't need to be ludicrous.[/p][/quote]Well they don't plan on expanding the capacity of St Mary's, according to Krueger in the Q&A, so thats one cross against ambition, but does mean funds can be channeled into improving the squad.[/p][/quote]A need to advertise and use the club commercially is a priority. At the moment we are a great advert as a young, exciting English team, we could tap into that some how. Sell the club globally, heighten our profile and fan base, this however will take time. More sell out crowds not just for league game but cup too. I wish he'd had played boruc in the cup defeat, we need that extra revenue and winning a cup is more realistic to European football. We have to be positive and on the look out for any window to advertise as a club. We have fans coming from Winchester and as far as Salisbury, let's get the potential skate young ones before they can be infected with blue and turn it red, in short invade![/p][/quote]Agree we need to be more proactive commercially. Our Academy is world famous and almost a stand-alone brand so why not find a sponsor for it? We should also have a sponsor for our training kit and license out Saints merchandise in key International markets. Such actions would not only generate revenue but raise our profile and make us more attractive to sponsors. invictus
  • Score: 2

2:53pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Confucious wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Obviously, apart from maximising their own contracts, Poch and the players (and indeed the fans) want to hear if top four is the ambition - backed by the cash needed to retain our star assets, sign new additions and pay for the new training infrastructure.

But that may also boil down to whether the club should be run as a truly viable business or as an expensive hobby for Katherina.

I suspect most of us would choose the expensive hobby option regardless of whether that's wise in the long run. At the very minimum Saints fans in church would say: "I pray for patience and I want it right NOW!"
The plan to retain our youth products has been there for five years now. The commitment to develop Staplewood was made two years ago. The unknown is whether they are prepared to spend fairly high sums in the transfer market. I priced our starting 11 the other day and it came to £15m! Yes there have been development costs but no other Prem team has achieved what we have with home grown talent. It needs some investment as the academy doesn't fill every position, but it probably doesn't need to be ludicrous.
I guess one problem is that we still owe a lot of money on the transfer market for last year's signings (and may well not get much back when we offload Osvaldo) - and we still have £30m bill for the training facility.

On the upside, the sale value of the club is now vastly more than Markus paid for it.

I'd love a top four next season, but quite honestly I'd be pretty happy with sixth or even seventh. For me the dark days of heading to Div 1 on minus 10 points are still too near to allow me to be anything other than very content with the top half of the Prem - and even now I sometimes wonder if I've just dreamed the last five seasons.

But whatever happens if Saints win it makes my week and if they lose it spoils my week.

It's all far from rational and there was an old scouse boy sat in floods of tears at Anfield yesterday after Chelsea beat Liverpool. We'll see plenty more tears on TV over the next couple of weeks as the final places are decided. I wonder what a Martian would make of it all?
I'd take 7th right here and now, no doubt about it. It carries on the progression and although it's only 1 place higher it's quite a few points more. Each and every place has to be fought for now.

The money owed from last year is to me irrelevant. I make investment decisions here and allocate to a given budget and time frame. If I get to spread the payments then yippee it's a bonus but it's still last years budget.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Obviously, apart from maximising their own contracts, Poch and the players (and indeed the fans) want to hear if top four is the ambition - backed by the cash needed to retain our star assets, sign new additions and pay for the new training infrastructure. But that may also boil down to whether the club should be run as a truly viable business or as an expensive hobby for Katherina. I suspect most of us would choose the expensive hobby option regardless of whether that's wise in the long run. At the very minimum Saints fans in church would say: "I pray for patience and I want it right NOW!"[/p][/quote]The plan to retain our youth products has been there for five years now. The commitment to develop Staplewood was made two years ago. The unknown is whether they are prepared to spend fairly high sums in the transfer market. I priced our starting 11 the other day and it came to £15m! Yes there have been development costs but no other Prem team has achieved what we have with home grown talent. It needs some investment as the academy doesn't fill every position, but it probably doesn't need to be ludicrous.[/p][/quote]I guess one problem is that we still owe a lot of money on the transfer market for last year's signings (and may well not get much back when we offload Osvaldo) - and we still have £30m bill for the training facility. On the upside, the sale value of the club is now vastly more than Markus paid for it. I'd love a top four next season, but quite honestly I'd be pretty happy with sixth or even seventh. For me the dark days of heading to Div 1 on minus 10 points are still too near to allow me to be anything other than very content with the top half of the Prem - and even now I sometimes wonder if I've just dreamed the last five seasons. But whatever happens if Saints win it makes my week and if they lose it spoils my week. It's all far from rational and there was an old scouse boy sat in floods of tears at Anfield yesterday after Chelsea beat Liverpool. We'll see plenty more tears on TV over the next couple of weeks as the final places are decided. I wonder what a Martian would make of it all?[/p][/quote]I'd take 7th right here and now, no doubt about it. It carries on the progression and although it's only 1 place higher it's quite a few points more. Each and every place has to be fought for now. The money owed from last year is to me irrelevant. I make investment decisions here and allocate to a given budget and time frame. If I get to spread the payments then yippee it's a bonus but it's still last years budget. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 4

3:03pm Mon 28 Apr 14

redsnapper says...

We get these stupid stories because if the Echo didn't have the Saints stories, no matter how insccurate, no one would ever read the rag.

Stories about loaers in damp houses and cyclist's peeing in the woods whilst horses leave great mounds of steaming **** is you would get if it wasnt for SO14.:-)
We get these stupid stories because if the Echo didn't have the Saints stories, no matter how insccurate, no one would ever read the rag. Stories about loaers in damp houses and cyclist's peeing in the woods whilst horses leave great mounds of steaming **** is you would get if it wasnt for SO14.:-) redsnapper
  • Score: -3

3:04pm Mon 28 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

george chivers wrote:
Littleton-Saint wrote:
Our great club is bigger than its directors, players and manager. We will carry on regardless. If Lallana, Shaw and Spider are open to leaving, then they
need to consider that any move might mean less football in the first team with all the attendant frustration that that will bring. They are better off as Saints players if they really enjoy playing regular, first-team football. If they need an example of how leaving Saints can end a career prematurely, then consider Wayne Bridge!
I've never heard Wayne Bridge complaining about the compensation package he got with Chelsea and City. If it were me I would take the money every time.
Yes, I would believe that of you, you come across as someone whose loyalty could be bought off, rather than earned and maintained? Wayne may have made a few bob out of it, but the disruption that it all caused him must have been diificult to take, he may still be regretting the decision but probably wouldn't say so.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote: Our great club is bigger than its directors, players and manager. We will carry on regardless. If Lallana, Shaw and Spider are open to leaving, then they need to consider that any move might mean less football in the first team with all the attendant frustration that that will bring. They are better off as Saints players if they really enjoy playing regular, first-team football. If they need an example of how leaving Saints can end a career prematurely, then consider Wayne Bridge![/p][/quote]I've never heard Wayne Bridge complaining about the compensation package he got with Chelsea and City. If it were me I would take the money every time.[/p][/quote]Yes, I would believe that of you, you come across as someone whose loyalty could be bought off, rather than earned and maintained? Wayne may have made a few bob out of it, but the disruption that it all caused him must have been diificult to take, he may still be regretting the decision but probably wouldn't say so. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

3:10pm Mon 28 Apr 14

BracknellSaint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Obviously, apart from maximising their own contracts, Poch and the players (and indeed the fans) want to hear if top four is the ambition - backed by the cash needed to retain our star assets, sign new additions and pay for the new training infrastructure.

But that may also boil down to whether the club should be run as a truly viable business or as an expensive hobby for Katherina.

I suspect most of us would choose the expensive hobby option regardless of whether that's wise in the long run. At the very minimum Saints fans in church would say: "I pray for patience and I want it right NOW!"
The plan to retain our youth products has been there for five years now. The commitment to develop Staplewood was made two years ago. The unknown is whether they are prepared to spend fairly high sums in the transfer market. I priced our starting 11 the other day and it came to £15m! Yes there have been development costs but no other Prem team has achieved what we have with home grown talent. It needs some investment as the academy doesn't fill every position, but it probably doesn't need to be ludicrous.
I guess one problem is that we still owe a lot of money on the transfer market for last year's signings (and may well not get much back when we offload Osvaldo) - and we still have £30m bill for the training facility.

On the upside, the sale value of the club is now vastly more than Markus paid for it.

I'd love a top four next season, but quite honestly I'd be pretty happy with sixth or even seventh. For me the dark days of heading to Div 1 on minus 10 points are still too near to allow me to be anything other than very content with the top half of the Prem - and even now I sometimes wonder if I've just dreamed the last five seasons.

But whatever happens if Saints win it makes my week and if they lose it spoils my week.

It's all far from rational and there was an old scouse boy sat in floods of tears at Anfield yesterday after Chelsea beat Liverpool. We'll see plenty more tears on TV over the next couple of weeks as the final places are decided. I wonder what a Martian would make of it all?
I'd take 7th right here and now, no doubt about it. It carries on the progression and although it's only 1 place higher it's quite a few points more. Each and every place has to be fought for now.

The money owed from last year is to me irrelevant. I make investment decisions here and allocate to a given budget and time frame. If I get to spread the payments then yippee it's a bonus but it's still last years budget.
Would bite your hand off to finish 7th next year.
Especially as that would mean, based on this season,a return of somewhere around 65 points maybe? That would be superb. Cup run also good, but not at the expense of a higher league position for me.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Obviously, apart from maximising their own contracts, Poch and the players (and indeed the fans) want to hear if top four is the ambition - backed by the cash needed to retain our star assets, sign new additions and pay for the new training infrastructure. But that may also boil down to whether the club should be run as a truly viable business or as an expensive hobby for Katherina. I suspect most of us would choose the expensive hobby option regardless of whether that's wise in the long run. At the very minimum Saints fans in church would say: "I pray for patience and I want it right NOW!"[/p][/quote]The plan to retain our youth products has been there for five years now. The commitment to develop Staplewood was made two years ago. The unknown is whether they are prepared to spend fairly high sums in the transfer market. I priced our starting 11 the other day and it came to £15m! Yes there have been development costs but no other Prem team has achieved what we have with home grown talent. It needs some investment as the academy doesn't fill every position, but it probably doesn't need to be ludicrous.[/p][/quote]I guess one problem is that we still owe a lot of money on the transfer market for last year's signings (and may well not get much back when we offload Osvaldo) - and we still have £30m bill for the training facility. On the upside, the sale value of the club is now vastly more than Markus paid for it. I'd love a top four next season, but quite honestly I'd be pretty happy with sixth or even seventh. For me the dark days of heading to Div 1 on minus 10 points are still too near to allow me to be anything other than very content with the top half of the Prem - and even now I sometimes wonder if I've just dreamed the last five seasons. But whatever happens if Saints win it makes my week and if they lose it spoils my week. It's all far from rational and there was an old scouse boy sat in floods of tears at Anfield yesterday after Chelsea beat Liverpool. We'll see plenty more tears on TV over the next couple of weeks as the final places are decided. I wonder what a Martian would make of it all?[/p][/quote]I'd take 7th right here and now, no doubt about it. It carries on the progression and although it's only 1 place higher it's quite a few points more. Each and every place has to be fought for now. The money owed from last year is to me irrelevant. I make investment decisions here and allocate to a given budget and time frame. If I get to spread the payments then yippee it's a bonus but it's still last years budget.[/p][/quote]Would bite your hand off to finish 7th next year. Especially as that would mean, based on this season,a return of somewhere around 65 points maybe? That would be superb. Cup run also good, but not at the expense of a higher league position for me. BracknellSaint
  • Score: 3

3:21pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Rooflas says...

invictus wrote:
Rooflas wrote:
invictus wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Obviously, apart from maximising their own contracts, Poch and the players (and indeed the fans) want to hear if top four is the ambition - backed by the cash needed to retain our star assets, sign new additions and pay for the new training infrastructure.

But that may also boil down to whether the club should be run as a truly viable business or as an expensive hobby for Katherina.

I suspect most of us would choose the expensive hobby option regardless of whether that's wise in the long run. At the very minimum Saints fans in church would say: "I pray for patience and I want it right NOW!"
The plan to retain our youth products has been there for five years now. The commitment to develop Staplewood was made two years ago. The unknown is whether they are prepared to spend fairly high sums in the transfer market. I priced our starting 11 the other day and it came to £15m! Yes there have been development costs but no other Prem team has achieved what we have with home grown talent. It needs some investment as the academy doesn't fill every position, but it probably doesn't need to be ludicrous.
Well they don't plan on expanding the capacity of St Mary's, according to Krueger in the Q&A, so thats one cross against ambition, but does mean funds can be channeled into improving the squad.
A need to advertise and use the club commercially is a priority. At the moment we are a great advert as a young, exciting English team, we could tap into that some how. Sell the club globally, heighten our profile and fan base, this however will take time. More sell out crowds not just for league game but cup too. I wish he'd had played boruc in the cup defeat, we need that extra revenue and winning a cup is more realistic to European football.
We have to be positive and on the look out for any window to advertise as a club. We have fans coming from Winchester and as far as Salisbury, let's get the potential skate young ones before they can be infected with blue and turn it red, in short invade!
Agree we need to be more proactive commercially. Our Academy is world famous and almost a stand-alone brand so why not find a sponsor for it? We should also have a sponsor for our training kit and license out Saints merchandise in key International markets. Such actions would not only generate revenue but raise our profile and make us more attractive to sponsors.
The possibilities are endless if the club remains positive and more importantly in the premier league. I think at the moment though we need to immediately tie poch down on a long term deal, the players are playing for him and are more likely to remain, we don't need big spends on player and should look to do deals with what we have. Osvaldo, Barnard etc they are not part of our plans the combined lot should bring in what we need, goalie, defender and centre forward. Even loan deals we should look out for.
[quote][p][bold]invictus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rooflas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]invictus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Obviously, apart from maximising their own contracts, Poch and the players (and indeed the fans) want to hear if top four is the ambition - backed by the cash needed to retain our star assets, sign new additions and pay for the new training infrastructure. But that may also boil down to whether the club should be run as a truly viable business or as an expensive hobby for Katherina. I suspect most of us would choose the expensive hobby option regardless of whether that's wise in the long run. At the very minimum Saints fans in church would say: "I pray for patience and I want it right NOW!"[/p][/quote]The plan to retain our youth products has been there for five years now. The commitment to develop Staplewood was made two years ago. The unknown is whether they are prepared to spend fairly high sums in the transfer market. I priced our starting 11 the other day and it came to £15m! Yes there have been development costs but no other Prem team has achieved what we have with home grown talent. It needs some investment as the academy doesn't fill every position, but it probably doesn't need to be ludicrous.[/p][/quote]Well they don't plan on expanding the capacity of St Mary's, according to Krueger in the Q&A, so thats one cross against ambition, but does mean funds can be channeled into improving the squad.[/p][/quote]A need to advertise and use the club commercially is a priority. At the moment we are a great advert as a young, exciting English team, we could tap into that some how. Sell the club globally, heighten our profile and fan base, this however will take time. More sell out crowds not just for league game but cup too. I wish he'd had played boruc in the cup defeat, we need that extra revenue and winning a cup is more realistic to European football. We have to be positive and on the look out for any window to advertise as a club. We have fans coming from Winchester and as far as Salisbury, let's get the potential skate young ones before they can be infected with blue and turn it red, in short invade![/p][/quote]Agree we need to be more proactive commercially. Our Academy is world famous and almost a stand-alone brand so why not find a sponsor for it? We should also have a sponsor for our training kit and license out Saints merchandise in key International markets. Such actions would not only generate revenue but raise our profile and make us more attractive to sponsors.[/p][/quote]The possibilities are endless if the club remains positive and more importantly in the premier league. I think at the moment though we need to immediately tie poch down on a long term deal, the players are playing for him and are more likely to remain, we don't need big spends on player and should look to do deals with what we have. Osvaldo, Barnard etc they are not part of our plans the combined lot should bring in what we need, goalie, defender and centre forward. Even loan deals we should look out for. Rooflas
  • Score: 2

3:36pm Mon 28 Apr 14

SaintSteve76 says...

When cortese was our chairman many of the players kept repeatedly saying was how something special was happening at southampton and that they wanted champions league football but only with southampton as that was the vision. Keep this team together with one or two quality additions and a top five position would become a realistic possibility. However, unfortunately since cortese left there doesn't seem to be the same ambition or drive from the club or the players. Not one player has mentioned the possibility of champions league foorball at southampton since cortese left. The vibe coming from the club and the players just doesn't seem to be the same as it was. I hope I'm wrong!
When cortese was our chairman many of the players kept repeatedly saying was how something special was happening at southampton and that they wanted champions league football but only with southampton as that was the vision. Keep this team together with one or two quality additions and a top five position would become a realistic possibility. However, unfortunately since cortese left there doesn't seem to be the same ambition or drive from the club or the players. Not one player has mentioned the possibility of champions league foorball at southampton since cortese left. The vibe coming from the club and the players just doesn't seem to be the same as it was. I hope I'm wrong! SaintSteve76
  • Score: 2

3:39pm Mon 28 Apr 14

warrens 76 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
You couldn't blame Les if he went on a gun rampage to be fair. Not only was his speech not reported nationally, but no one seems to have listened to him.

I do think the club and manager have been naïve over his contract though. All this 'leave it to the end of the season' crap has fanned the flames of the rumour mills. We are not fighting for promotion or against relegation so why leave it? To have got it done in plenty of time, as Cortese always did to be fair, would have given confidence to the fans and the players alike. Neither are we going to attract those new players we want and need without confirmation of the manager staying put either.

Hopefully they will learn from this. I know the board is new and has to find its feet but it's collective lack of Premier League experience - and all the nasty media, agents, tapping up etc - has shown. It's a job that if you take on you need to grow into very quickly.
absolutely, we are safe so what gives?
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: You couldn't blame Les if he went on a gun rampage to be fair. Not only was his speech not reported nationally, but no one seems to have listened to him. I do think the club and manager have been naïve over his contract though. All this 'leave it to the end of the season' crap has fanned the flames of the rumour mills. We are not fighting for promotion or against relegation so why leave it? To have got it done in plenty of time, as Cortese always did to be fair, would have given confidence to the fans and the players alike. Neither are we going to attract those new players we want and need without confirmation of the manager staying put either. Hopefully they will learn from this. I know the board is new and has to find its feet but it's collective lack of Premier League experience - and all the nasty media, agents, tapping up etc - has shown. It's a job that if you take on you need to grow into very quickly.[/p][/quote]absolutely, we are safe so what gives? warrens 76
  • Score: 2

3:50pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Freddie Flowerpot says...

SaintSteve76 wrote:
When cortese was our chairman many of the players kept repeatedly saying was how something special was happening at southampton and that they wanted champions league football but only with southampton as that was the vision. Keep this team together with one or two quality additions and a top five position would become a realistic possibility. However, unfortunately since cortese left there doesn't seem to be the same ambition or drive from the club or the players. Not one player has mentioned the possibility of champions league foorball at southampton since cortese left. The vibe coming from the club and the players just doesn't seem to be the same as it was. I hope I'm wrong!
But that was always hot air, to get into the CL the club would need to invest a minimum of £500m in players as Man City, Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal have done over the past decade. Even Liverpool who'll be there next year have spent this much, it's just unattainable unless you can find a Sheik to buy the club.

Our best bet is to compete hard for every Cup we go into, win one and qualify for the EL, genuinely think we missed a massive opportunity this season even being an FA Cup finalist would have got us there, now Arsenal are odds on to get into the CL again.
[quote][p][bold]SaintSteve76[/bold] wrote: When cortese was our chairman many of the players kept repeatedly saying was how something special was happening at southampton and that they wanted champions league football but only with southampton as that was the vision. Keep this team together with one or two quality additions and a top five position would become a realistic possibility. However, unfortunately since cortese left there doesn't seem to be the same ambition or drive from the club or the players. Not one player has mentioned the possibility of champions league foorball at southampton since cortese left. The vibe coming from the club and the players just doesn't seem to be the same as it was. I hope I'm wrong![/p][/quote]But that was always hot air, to get into the CL the club would need to invest a minimum of £500m in players as Man City, Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal have done over the past decade. Even Liverpool who'll be there next year have spent this much, it's just unattainable unless you can find a Sheik to buy the club. Our best bet is to compete hard for every Cup we go into, win one and qualify for the EL, genuinely think we missed a massive opportunity this season even being an FA Cup finalist would have got us there, now Arsenal are odds on to get into the CL again. Freddie Flowerpot
  • Score: -4

4:12pm Mon 28 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

SaintSteve76 wrote:
When cortese was our chairman many of the players kept repeatedly saying was how something special was happening at southampton and that they wanted champions league football but only with southampton as that was the vision. Keep this team together with one or two quality additions and a top five position would become a realistic possibility. However, unfortunately since cortese left there doesn't seem to be the same ambition or drive from the club or the players. Not one player has mentioned the possibility of champions league foorball at southampton since cortese left. The vibe coming from the club and the players just doesn't seem to be the same as it was. I hope I'm wrong!
Show me a report from the past where NC came out in the Public Domain and proclaimed we are targetting the Champions League, he mainly concentrated on getting us from the depths of near extinction to the Premier League, and that is what he did, in quick time. I have no doubt that further progress was indeed on his agenda, but I suspect he was under no illusion how difficult that was going to be and as far as I know, NC never really pressed that idea in the open. Having seen the damage that the Europa League has done to the recent qualifying Teams, I am not sure I want us to go there yet, we must strengthen the squad into a unit that could cope and I would then go along with it, but we are ill equipped to even think of taking that path yet. Progress in the Premier however is well within our grasp, providing we keep the best of what we have and back it up with a few quality signings. I am in no way in denial that Managers and Players can come and go, fair enough that goes with the game of football, if that happens we must hope that any changes are for he betterment of the Club, it won't necessarily mean the end of the current dream, but may slow things down and we will have to keep the faith and back the changes if there are any. Those who chose to place negative views just to upset the faithful, may actually be correct with their opinions, but that may not mean that it would be as bad as they make it out to be.
[quote][p][bold]SaintSteve76[/bold] wrote: When cortese was our chairman many of the players kept repeatedly saying was how something special was happening at southampton and that they wanted champions league football but only with southampton as that was the vision. Keep this team together with one or two quality additions and a top five position would become a realistic possibility. However, unfortunately since cortese left there doesn't seem to be the same ambition or drive from the club or the players. Not one player has mentioned the possibility of champions league foorball at southampton since cortese left. The vibe coming from the club and the players just doesn't seem to be the same as it was. I hope I'm wrong![/p][/quote]Show me a report from the past where NC came out in the Public Domain and proclaimed we are targetting the Champions League, he mainly concentrated on getting us from the depths of near extinction to the Premier League, and that is what he did, in quick time. I have no doubt that further progress was indeed on his agenda, but I suspect he was under no illusion how difficult that was going to be and as far as I know, NC never really pressed that idea in the open. Having seen the damage that the Europa League has done to the recent qualifying Teams, I am not sure I want us to go there yet, we must strengthen the squad into a unit that could cope and I would then go along with it, but we are ill equipped to even think of taking that path yet. Progress in the Premier however is well within our grasp, providing we keep the best of what we have and back it up with a few quality signings. I am in no way in denial that Managers and Players can come and go, fair enough that goes with the game of football, if that happens we must hope that any changes are for he betterment of the Club, it won't necessarily mean the end of the current dream, but may slow things down and we will have to keep the faith and back the changes if there are any. Those who chose to place negative views just to upset the faithful, may actually be correct with their opinions, but that may not mean that it would be as bad as they make it out to be. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

4:13pm Mon 28 Apr 14

SaintSteve76 says...

Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
SaintSteve76 wrote:
When cortese was our chairman many of the players kept repeatedly saying was how something special was happening at southampton and that they wanted champions league football but only with southampton as that was the vision. Keep this team together with one or two quality additions and a top five position would become a realistic possibility. However, unfortunately since cortese left there doesn't seem to be the same ambition or drive from the club or the players. Not one player has mentioned the possibility of champions league foorball at southampton since cortese left. The vibe coming from the club and the players just doesn't seem to be the same as it was. I hope I'm wrong!
But that was always hot air, to get into the CL the club would need to invest a minimum of £500m in players as Man City, Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal have done over the past decade. Even Liverpool who'll be there next year have spent this much, it's just unattainable unless you can find a Sheik to buy the club.

Our best bet is to compete hard for every Cup we go into, win one and qualify for the EL, genuinely think we missed a massive opportunity this season even being an FA Cup finalist would have got us there, now Arsenal are odds on to get into the CL again.
Yes but the difference is we have got the top quality players coming through in shaw, lallana, chambers etc so no need to spend the sort of money the top teams do!
[quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintSteve76[/bold] wrote: When cortese was our chairman many of the players kept repeatedly saying was how something special was happening at southampton and that they wanted champions league football but only with southampton as that was the vision. Keep this team together with one or two quality additions and a top five position would become a realistic possibility. However, unfortunately since cortese left there doesn't seem to be the same ambition or drive from the club or the players. Not one player has mentioned the possibility of champions league foorball at southampton since cortese left. The vibe coming from the club and the players just doesn't seem to be the same as it was. I hope I'm wrong![/p][/quote]But that was always hot air, to get into the CL the club would need to invest a minimum of £500m in players as Man City, Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal have done over the past decade. Even Liverpool who'll be there next year have spent this much, it's just unattainable unless you can find a Sheik to buy the club. Our best bet is to compete hard for every Cup we go into, win one and qualify for the EL, genuinely think we missed a massive opportunity this season even being an FA Cup finalist would have got us there, now Arsenal are odds on to get into the CL again.[/p][/quote]Yes but the difference is we have got the top quality players coming through in shaw, lallana, chambers etc so no need to spend the sort of money the top teams do! SaintSteve76
  • Score: 3

4:16pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Velleity says...

Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
SaintSteve76 wrote:
When cortese was our chairman many of the players kept repeatedly saying was how something special was happening at southampton and that they wanted champions league football but only with southampton as that was the vision. Keep this team together with one or two quality additions and a top five position would become a realistic possibility. However, unfortunately since cortese left there doesn't seem to be the same ambition or drive from the club or the players. Not one player has mentioned the possibility of champions league foorball at southampton since cortese left. The vibe coming from the club and the players just doesn't seem to be the same as it was. I hope I'm wrong!
But that was always hot air, to get into the CL the club would need to invest a minimum of £500m in players as Man City, Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal have done over the past decade. Even Liverpool who'll be there next year have spent this much, it's just unattainable unless you can find a Sheik to buy the club.

Our best bet is to compete hard for every Cup we go into, win one and qualify for the EL, genuinely think we missed a massive opportunity this season even being an FA Cup finalist would have got us there, now Arsenal are odds on to get into the CL again.
Hi Freddie!

How's the season ticket going? The one you haven't bought since 2005. No, hang on, the one you've got. No, the one you've got but you watched Saturday's game on TV because that's your right. No, hang on, let's get the story straight now: the season ticket you never bought but you now own and don't use. Is that the truth?

Now, what viewpoint exactly are you trying to ge us to take seriously?
[quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintSteve76[/bold] wrote: When cortese was our chairman many of the players kept repeatedly saying was how something special was happening at southampton and that they wanted champions league football but only with southampton as that was the vision. Keep this team together with one or two quality additions and a top five position would become a realistic possibility. However, unfortunately since cortese left there doesn't seem to be the same ambition or drive from the club or the players. Not one player has mentioned the possibility of champions league foorball at southampton since cortese left. The vibe coming from the club and the players just doesn't seem to be the same as it was. I hope I'm wrong![/p][/quote]But that was always hot air, to get into the CL the club would need to invest a minimum of £500m in players as Man City, Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal have done over the past decade. Even Liverpool who'll be there next year have spent this much, it's just unattainable unless you can find a Sheik to buy the club. Our best bet is to compete hard for every Cup we go into, win one and qualify for the EL, genuinely think we missed a massive opportunity this season even being an FA Cup finalist would have got us there, now Arsenal are odds on to get into the CL again.[/p][/quote]Hi Freddie! How's the season ticket going? The one you haven't bought since 2005. No, hang on, the one you've got. No, the one you've got but you watched Saturday's game on TV because that's your right. No, hang on, let's get the story straight now: the season ticket you never bought but you now own and don't use. Is that the truth? Now, what viewpoint exactly are you trying to ge us to take seriously? Velleity
  • Score: 10

4:20pm Mon 28 Apr 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
SaintSteve76 wrote:
When cortese was our chairman many of the players kept repeatedly saying was how something special was happening at southampton and that they wanted champions league football but only with southampton as that was the vision. Keep this team together with one or two quality additions and a top five position would become a realistic possibility. However, unfortunately since cortese left there doesn't seem to be the same ambition or drive from the club or the players. Not one player has mentioned the possibility of champions league foorball at southampton since cortese left. The vibe coming from the club and the players just doesn't seem to be the same as it was. I hope I'm wrong!
But that was always hot air, to get into the CL the club would need to invest a minimum of £500m in players as Man City, Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal have done over the past decade. Even Liverpool who'll be there next year have spent this much, it's just unattainable unless you can find a Sheik to buy the club.

Our best bet is to compete hard for every Cup we go into, win one and qualify for the EL, genuinely think we missed a massive opportunity this season even being an FA Cup finalist would have got us there, now Arsenal are odds on to get into the CL again.
Liverpool have spent £500mill? I don't know how you work that out because from when the prem started they have only spent £650.3mill with an income of £362.5mill that leaves a net of around £288mill. and thats over 20+ years.
[quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintSteve76[/bold] wrote: When cortese was our chairman many of the players kept repeatedly saying was how something special was happening at southampton and that they wanted champions league football but only with southampton as that was the vision. Keep this team together with one or two quality additions and a top five position would become a realistic possibility. However, unfortunately since cortese left there doesn't seem to be the same ambition or drive from the club or the players. Not one player has mentioned the possibility of champions league foorball at southampton since cortese left. The vibe coming from the club and the players just doesn't seem to be the same as it was. I hope I'm wrong![/p][/quote]But that was always hot air, to get into the CL the club would need to invest a minimum of £500m in players as Man City, Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal have done over the past decade. Even Liverpool who'll be there next year have spent this much, it's just unattainable unless you can find a Sheik to buy the club. Our best bet is to compete hard for every Cup we go into, win one and qualify for the EL, genuinely think we missed a massive opportunity this season even being an FA Cup finalist would have got us there, now Arsenal are odds on to get into the CL again.[/p][/quote]Liverpool have spent £500mill? I don't know how you work that out because from when the prem started they have only spent £650.3mill with an income of £362.5mill that leaves a net of around £288mill. and thats over 20+ years. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 3

4:27pm Mon 28 Apr 14

george chivers says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
You couldn't blame Les if he went on a gun rampage to be fair. Not only was his speech not reported nationally, but no one seems to have listened to him.

I do think the club and manager have been naïve over his contract though. All this 'leave it to the end of the season' crap has fanned the flames of the rumour mills. We are not fighting for promotion or against relegation so why leave it? To have got it done in plenty of time, as Cortese always did to be fair, would have given confidence to the fans and the players alike. Neither are we going to attract those new players we want and need without confirmation of the manager staying put either.

Hopefully they will learn from this. I know the board is new and has to find its feet but it's collective lack of Premier League experience - and all the nasty media, agents, tapping up etc - has shown. It's a job that if you take on you need to grow into very quickly.
absolutely, we are safe so what gives?
Perhaps it is going to run beyond the end of the season because MOPO doesn't want to commit until he has seen what is on offer for him from other clubs and he is in the best position to negotiate with them/us. It may not be all down to the board.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: You couldn't blame Les if he went on a gun rampage to be fair. Not only was his speech not reported nationally, but no one seems to have listened to him. I do think the club and manager have been naïve over his contract though. All this 'leave it to the end of the season' crap has fanned the flames of the rumour mills. We are not fighting for promotion or against relegation so why leave it? To have got it done in plenty of time, as Cortese always did to be fair, would have given confidence to the fans and the players alike. Neither are we going to attract those new players we want and need without confirmation of the manager staying put either. Hopefully they will learn from this. I know the board is new and has to find its feet but it's collective lack of Premier League experience - and all the nasty media, agents, tapping up etc - has shown. It's a job that if you take on you need to grow into very quickly.[/p][/quote]absolutely, we are safe so what gives?[/p][/quote]Perhaps it is going to run beyond the end of the season because MOPO doesn't want to commit until he has seen what is on offer for him from other clubs and he is in the best position to negotiate with them/us. It may not be all down to the board. george chivers
  • Score: -1

4:37pm Mon 28 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

george chivers wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
You couldn't blame Les if he went on a gun rampage to be fair. Not only was his speech not reported nationally, but no one seems to have listened to him.

I do think the club and manager have been naïve over his contract though. All this 'leave it to the end of the season' crap has fanned the flames of the rumour mills. We are not fighting for promotion or against relegation so why leave it? To have got it done in plenty of time, as Cortese always did to be fair, would have given confidence to the fans and the players alike. Neither are we going to attract those new players we want and need without confirmation of the manager staying put either.

Hopefully they will learn from this. I know the board is new and has to find its feet but it's collective lack of Premier League experience - and all the nasty media, agents, tapping up etc - has shown. It's a job that if you take on you need to grow into very quickly.
absolutely, we are safe so what gives?
Perhaps it is going to run beyond the end of the season because MOPO doesn't want to commit until he has seen what is on offer for him from other clubs and he is in the best position to negotiate with them/us. It may not be all down to the board.
In that case is he right to take that action in you humble opinion, or otherwise what would you advise him to do, using all of your superior knowledge of the situation.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: You couldn't blame Les if he went on a gun rampage to be fair. Not only was his speech not reported nationally, but no one seems to have listened to him. I do think the club and manager have been naïve over his contract though. All this 'leave it to the end of the season' crap has fanned the flames of the rumour mills. We are not fighting for promotion or against relegation so why leave it? To have got it done in plenty of time, as Cortese always did to be fair, would have given confidence to the fans and the players alike. Neither are we going to attract those new players we want and need without confirmation of the manager staying put either. Hopefully they will learn from this. I know the board is new and has to find its feet but it's collective lack of Premier League experience - and all the nasty media, agents, tapping up etc - has shown. It's a job that if you take on you need to grow into very quickly.[/p][/quote]absolutely, we are safe so what gives?[/p][/quote]Perhaps it is going to run beyond the end of the season because MOPO doesn't want to commit until he has seen what is on offer for him from other clubs and he is in the best position to negotiate with them/us. It may not be all down to the board.[/p][/quote]In that case is he right to take that action in you humble opinion, or otherwise what would you advise him to do, using all of your superior knowledge of the situation. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

4:40pm Mon 28 Apr 14

StElsass says...

Perhaps we should recruit the scout in charge of identifying attacking players at Swansea.
Michu vs Ramirez last season; Bony vs Osvaldo this season. £14m vs £27m in total. Value for money?
Perhaps we should recruit the scout in charge of identifying attacking players at Swansea. Michu vs Ramirez last season; Bony vs Osvaldo this season. £14m vs £27m in total. Value for money? StElsass
  • Score: 3

4:47pm Mon 28 Apr 14

george chivers says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Littleton-Saint wrote:
Our great club is bigger than its directors, players and manager. We will carry on regardless. If Lallana, Shaw and Spider are open to leaving, then they
need to consider that any move might mean less football in the first team with all the attendant frustration that that will bring. They are better off as Saints players if they really enjoy playing regular, first-team football. If they need an example of how leaving Saints can end a career prematurely, then consider Wayne Bridge!
I've never heard Wayne Bridge complaining about the compensation package he got with Chelsea and City. If it were me I would take the money every time.
Yes, I would believe that of you, you come across as someone whose loyalty could be bought off, rather than earned and maintained? Wayne may have made a few bob out of it, but the disruption that it all caused him must have been diificult to take, he may still be regretting the decision but probably wouldn't say so.
You seem to have a little thing about me Osprey. Care to explain why? I have supported/followed Saints since I was 12 which is 54 years and I was taken to my first game when I was 3 and a half. I haven't ever changed my allegiance.

In my working life up to age of 31 I swapped about to gain experience and increase my income and then I stuck for 20 years with a good company where I progressed to senior management and was paid well. And then I was made redundant. What is wrong with that? Nothing in my book.

Footballers have a narrow window of opportunity to make their money between the ages 18 and say 34 if they manage to avoid serious injury. Personally I would rather have the money and some security in later life than handshakes from fans in the street saying I was a good loyal servant to the club when I was skint after a couple of relationship break ups. You only have one shot in football it is a short career.

What is wrong with that?

If you don't take care of yourself nobody else is going to do it for you. There is no room for sentimentality. Fans stick with their teams. Players are guns for hire.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote: Our great club is bigger than its directors, players and manager. We will carry on regardless. If Lallana, Shaw and Spider are open to leaving, then they need to consider that any move might mean less football in the first team with all the attendant frustration that that will bring. They are better off as Saints players if they really enjoy playing regular, first-team football. If they need an example of how leaving Saints can end a career prematurely, then consider Wayne Bridge![/p][/quote]I've never heard Wayne Bridge complaining about the compensation package he got with Chelsea and City. If it were me I would take the money every time.[/p][/quote]Yes, I would believe that of you, you come across as someone whose loyalty could be bought off, rather than earned and maintained? Wayne may have made a few bob out of it, but the disruption that it all caused him must have been diificult to take, he may still be regretting the decision but probably wouldn't say so.[/p][/quote]You seem to have a little thing about me Osprey. Care to explain why? I have supported/followed Saints since I was 12 which is 54 years and I was taken to my first game when I was 3 and a half. I haven't ever changed my allegiance. In my working life up to age of 31 I swapped about to gain experience and increase my income and then I stuck for 20 years with a good company where I progressed to senior management and was paid well. And then I was made redundant. What is wrong with that? Nothing in my book. Footballers have a narrow window of opportunity to make their money between the ages 18 and say 34 if they manage to avoid serious injury. Personally I would rather have the money and some security in later life than handshakes from fans in the street saying I was a good loyal servant to the club when I was skint after a couple of relationship break ups. You only have one shot in football it is a short career. What is wrong with that? If you don't take care of yourself nobody else is going to do it for you. There is no room for sentimentality. Fans stick with their teams. Players are guns for hire. george chivers
  • Score: 8

4:49pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Rooflas says...

We also need to limit performances like against Cardiff. What a difference between that and the Everton game! Or was it just because we had a keeper! Song of the day Artur boruc is having a party!
We also need to limit performances like against Cardiff. What a difference between that and the Everton game! Or was it just because we had a keeper! Song of the day Artur boruc is having a party! Rooflas
  • Score: 1

4:49pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Costa Baz says...

It's not just about spending money, but spending money wisely.

A lot of fans thought "who?" when Lovren was brought in for £8m, thinking he can't be that good, at that price, yet he is probably worth 3 times that, after just one season.

Spending big doesn't guarantee good players, as proved by Osvaldo, and on that basis, I won't be slating the management/board, if they don't bring in players that cost the same as he did.

This is where the back room, scouting team will need to prove their worth.
It's not just about spending money, but spending money wisely. A lot of fans thought "who?" when Lovren was brought in for £8m, thinking he can't be that good, at that price, yet he is probably worth 3 times that, after just one season. Spending big doesn't guarantee good players, as proved by Osvaldo, and on that basis, I won't be slating the management/board, if they don't bring in players that cost the same as he did. This is where the back room, scouting team will need to prove their worth. Costa Baz
  • Score: 4

5:03pm Mon 28 Apr 14

warrens 76 says...

george chivers wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Littleton-Saint wrote:
Our great club is bigger than its directors, players and manager. We will carry on regardless. If Lallana, Shaw and Spider are open to leaving, then they
need to consider that any move might mean less football in the first team with all the attendant frustration that that will bring. They are better off as Saints players if they really enjoy playing regular, first-team football. If they need an example of how leaving Saints can end a career prematurely, then consider Wayne Bridge!
I've never heard Wayne Bridge complaining about the compensation package he got with Chelsea and City. If it were me I would take the money every time.
Yes, I would believe that of you, you come across as someone whose loyalty could be bought off, rather than earned and maintained? Wayne may have made a few bob out of it, but the disruption that it all caused him must have been diificult to take, he may still be regretting the decision but probably wouldn't say so.
You seem to have a little thing about me Osprey. Care to explain why? I have supported/followed Saints since I was 12 which is 54 years and I was taken to my first game when I was 3 and a half. I haven't ever changed my allegiance.

In my working life up to age of 31 I swapped about to gain experience and increase my income and then I stuck for 20 years with a good company where I progressed to senior management and was paid well. And then I was made redundant. What is wrong with that? Nothing in my book.

Footballers have a narrow window of opportunity to make their money between the ages 18 and say 34 if they manage to avoid serious injury. Personally I would rather have the money and some security in later life than handshakes from fans in the street saying I was a good loyal servant to the club when I was skint after a couple of relationship break ups. You only have one shot in football it is a short career.

What is wrong with that?

If you don't take care of yourself nobody else is going to do it for you. There is no room for sentimentality. Fans stick with their teams. Players are guns for hire.
Nothing wrong George with that nothing..Ospers play nice.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote: Our great club is bigger than its directors, players and manager. We will carry on regardless. If Lallana, Shaw and Spider are open to leaving, then they need to consider that any move might mean less football in the first team with all the attendant frustration that that will bring. They are better off as Saints players if they really enjoy playing regular, first-team football. If they need an example of how leaving Saints can end a career prematurely, then consider Wayne Bridge![/p][/quote]I've never heard Wayne Bridge complaining about the compensation package he got with Chelsea and City. If it were me I would take the money every time.[/p][/quote]Yes, I would believe that of you, you come across as someone whose loyalty could be bought off, rather than earned and maintained? Wayne may have made a few bob out of it, but the disruption that it all caused him must have been diificult to take, he may still be regretting the decision but probably wouldn't say so.[/p][/quote]You seem to have a little thing about me Osprey. Care to explain why? I have supported/followed Saints since I was 12 which is 54 years and I was taken to my first game when I was 3 and a half. I haven't ever changed my allegiance. In my working life up to age of 31 I swapped about to gain experience and increase my income and then I stuck for 20 years with a good company where I progressed to senior management and was paid well. And then I was made redundant. What is wrong with that? Nothing in my book. Footballers have a narrow window of opportunity to make their money between the ages 18 and say 34 if they manage to avoid serious injury. Personally I would rather have the money and some security in later life than handshakes from fans in the street saying I was a good loyal servant to the club when I was skint after a couple of relationship break ups. You only have one shot in football it is a short career. What is wrong with that? If you don't take care of yourself nobody else is going to do it for you. There is no room for sentimentality. Fans stick with their teams. Players are guns for hire.[/p][/quote]Nothing wrong George with that nothing..Ospers play nice. warrens 76
  • Score: 2

5:10pm Mon 28 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

george chivers wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Littleton-Saint wrote:
Our great club is bigger than its directors, players and manager. We will carry on regardless. If Lallana, Shaw and Spider are open to leaving, then they
need to consider that any move might mean less football in the first team with all the attendant frustration that that will bring. They are better off as Saints players if they really enjoy playing regular, first-team football. If they need an example of how leaving Saints can end a career prematurely, then consider Wayne Bridge!
I've never heard Wayne Bridge complaining about the compensation package he got with Chelsea and City. If it were me I would take the money every time.
Yes, I would believe that of you, you come across as someone whose loyalty could be bought off, rather than earned and maintained? Wayne may have made a few bob out of it, but the disruption that it all caused him must have been diificult to take, he may still be regretting the decision but probably wouldn't say so.
You seem to have a little thing about me Osprey. Care to explain why? I have supported/followed Saints since I was 12 which is 54 years and I was taken to my first game when I was 3 and a half. I haven't ever changed my allegiance.

In my working life up to age of 31 I swapped about to gain experience and increase my income and then I stuck for 20 years with a good company where I progressed to senior management and was paid well. And then I was made redundant. What is wrong with that? Nothing in my book.

Footballers have a narrow window of opportunity to make their money between the ages 18 and say 34 if they manage to avoid serious injury. Personally I would rather have the money and some security in later life than handshakes from fans in the street saying I was a good loyal servant to the club when I was skint after a couple of relationship break ups. You only have one shot in football it is a short career.

What is wrong with that?

If you don't take care of yourself nobody else is going to do it for you. There is no room for sentimentality. Fans stick with their teams. Players are guns for hire.
Players are guns for hire? That's where I disagree with you, you tar them all with the same brush. You have every right to keep on posting this kind of negative clap trap, I have every intention of disagreeing with you and where possible disproving your theories. I agree that a footballers career can be very short, there are very few that will make fortunes with a big club, many a star in the making has seen the bright lights and made the wrong move. I suggest that we are a Club in progress to better things, these Players can share in that if they chose to, they will gain more respect from the fans if they show loyalty to the Club that has given them the opportunity, they have the right to chose and I will respect them for whatever option they take, if they leave I will thank them for what they have achieved for us and wish them well on their chosen route. I will then welcome any replacements in to the fold and give them my support howver it pans out.
I was 5 when I saw my first Saints game, 61 years ago, have followed them through thick and thin ever since, we are both battle scarred veterans just with a slightly different outlook, that's all.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote: Our great club is bigger than its directors, players and manager. We will carry on regardless. If Lallana, Shaw and Spider are open to leaving, then they need to consider that any move might mean less football in the first team with all the attendant frustration that that will bring. They are better off as Saints players if they really enjoy playing regular, first-team football. If they need an example of how leaving Saints can end a career prematurely, then consider Wayne Bridge![/p][/quote]I've never heard Wayne Bridge complaining about the compensation package he got with Chelsea and City. If it were me I would take the money every time.[/p][/quote]Yes, I would believe that of you, you come across as someone whose loyalty could be bought off, rather than earned and maintained? Wayne may have made a few bob out of it, but the disruption that it all caused him must have been diificult to take, he may still be regretting the decision but probably wouldn't say so.[/p][/quote]You seem to have a little thing about me Osprey. Care to explain why? I have supported/followed Saints since I was 12 which is 54 years and I was taken to my first game when I was 3 and a half. I haven't ever changed my allegiance. In my working life up to age of 31 I swapped about to gain experience and increase my income and then I stuck for 20 years with a good company where I progressed to senior management and was paid well. And then I was made redundant. What is wrong with that? Nothing in my book. Footballers have a narrow window of opportunity to make their money between the ages 18 and say 34 if they manage to avoid serious injury. Personally I would rather have the money and some security in later life than handshakes from fans in the street saying I was a good loyal servant to the club when I was skint after a couple of relationship break ups. You only have one shot in football it is a short career. What is wrong with that? If you don't take care of yourself nobody else is going to do it for you. There is no room for sentimentality. Fans stick with their teams. Players are guns for hire.[/p][/quote]Players are guns for hire? That's where I disagree with you, you tar them all with the same brush. You have every right to keep on posting this kind of negative clap trap, I have every intention of disagreeing with you and where possible disproving your theories. I agree that a footballers career can be very short, there are very few that will make fortunes with a big club, many a star in the making has seen the bright lights and made the wrong move. I suggest that we are a Club in progress to better things, these Players can share in that if they chose to, they will gain more respect from the fans if they show loyalty to the Club that has given them the opportunity, they have the right to chose and I will respect them for whatever option they take, if they leave I will thank them for what they have achieved for us and wish them well on their chosen route. I will then welcome any replacements in to the fold and give them my support howver it pans out. I was 5 when I saw my first Saints game, 61 years ago, have followed them through thick and thin ever since, we are both battle scarred veterans just with a slightly different outlook, that's all. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 4

5:20pm Mon 28 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

By the way George in case you hadn't noticed it isn't personal, my wrath is vented against anyone who puts up negative posts against the Saints, particularly those that I consider to be mischievous and disingenuous or are simply incorrect, but my words have never harmed anyone to my knowledge, upset a few I grant you, bored the pants off of many undoubtedly, I try to avoid being abusive and try to research my replies before posting them, I am not infallible, mostly harmless.
By the way George in case you hadn't noticed it isn't personal, my wrath is vented against anyone who puts up negative posts against the Saints, particularly those that I consider to be mischievous and disingenuous or are simply incorrect, but my words have never harmed anyone to my knowledge, upset a few I grant you, bored the pants off of many undoubtedly, I try to avoid being abusive and try to research my replies before posting them, I am not infallible, mostly harmless. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 4

5:57pm Mon 28 Apr 14

el caballo santos101 says...

george chivers wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Littleton-Saint wrote:
Our great club is bigger than its directors, players and manager. We will carry on regardless. If Lallana, Shaw and Spider are open to leaving, then they
need to consider that any move might mean less football in the first team with all the attendant frustration that that will bring. They are better off as Saints players if they really enjoy playing regular, first-team football. If they need an example of how leaving Saints can end a career prematurely, then consider Wayne Bridge!
I've never heard Wayne Bridge complaining about the compensation package he got with Chelsea and City. If it were me I would take the money every time.
Yes, I would believe that of you, you come across as someone whose loyalty could be bought off, rather than earned and maintained? Wayne may have made a few bob out of it, but the disruption that it all caused him must have been diificult to take, he may still be regretting the decision but probably wouldn't say so.
You seem to have a little thing about me Osprey. Care to explain why? I have supported/followed Saints since I was 12 which is 54 years and I was taken to my first game when I was 3 and a half. I haven't ever changed my allegiance.

In my working life up to age of 31 I swapped about to gain experience and increase my income and then I stuck for 20 years with a good company where I progressed to senior management and was paid well. And then I was made redundant. What is wrong with that? Nothing in my book.

Footballers have a narrow window of opportunity to make their money between the ages 18 and say 34 if they manage to avoid serious injury. Personally I would rather have the money and some security in later life than handshakes from fans in the street saying I was a good loyal servant to the club when I was skint after a couple of relationship break ups. You only have one shot in football it is a short career.

What is wrong with that?

If you don't take care of yourself nobody else is going to do it for you. There is no room for sentimentality. Fans stick with their teams. Players are guns for hire.
big, no huge difference is George that even now luke is probably earning more a week than you did in a year, the fact that he also has a five year contract to fall back on means that in the period of his contract he will earn a small fortune. even if he is earning just £30k a year, might be more might be less but its as good a figure as any, he would earn £1.56mill a year or £7.8mill over the five years. if he were to be injured next week and god forbid it was a career ending injury he would still be entitled to the remainder of his contract. so at the age of just 23 he would be worth £7.8mill from wages alone, then add any bonuses and endorsements and it could total more than £10mill. if you think that's not enough money for anyone to live on for the rest of their lives then please let us know.
players earn a fortune nowadays and even an average prem player is set for life after a season or two.
gone are the days that footballers have to consider another career after they finish playing, we wont see the likes of luke buying/running pubs like Peter Rodrigues did, he now works as a driver and his FA cup winning medal was brought by SFC in an auction in 2004 for £10,200.
I get your point but if you think a player has to move clubs to secure his financial future you are quite wrong, if a player does move for money then they are showing their real greed. a lot of players, who are financially secure, would rather go to a club, or stay at a club, where they are guaranteed to play first team football week in week out. that's what saints can offer luke and lalla, they know they are going to play in the prem every week and earn enough to set them up for life, and I for one would rather play regular first team football in the prem with £10mill in the bank than sit on a bench and only play half the games and have £30mill in the bank. that's where we differ.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote: Our great club is bigger than its directors, players and manager. We will carry on regardless. If Lallana, Shaw and Spider are open to leaving, then they need to consider that any move might mean less football in the first team with all the attendant frustration that that will bring. They are better off as Saints players if they really enjoy playing regular, first-team football. If they need an example of how leaving Saints can end a career prematurely, then consider Wayne Bridge![/p][/quote]I've never heard Wayne Bridge complaining about the compensation package he got with Chelsea and City. If it were me I would take the money every time.[/p][/quote]Yes, I would believe that of you, you come across as someone whose loyalty could be bought off, rather than earned and maintained? Wayne may have made a few bob out of it, but the disruption that it all caused him must have been diificult to take, he may still be regretting the decision but probably wouldn't say so.[/p][/quote]You seem to have a little thing about me Osprey. Care to explain why? I have supported/followed Saints since I was 12 which is 54 years and I was taken to my first game when I was 3 and a half. I haven't ever changed my allegiance. In my working life up to age of 31 I swapped about to gain experience and increase my income and then I stuck for 20 years with a good company where I progressed to senior management and was paid well. And then I was made redundant. What is wrong with that? Nothing in my book. Footballers have a narrow window of opportunity to make their money between the ages 18 and say 34 if they manage to avoid serious injury. Personally I would rather have the money and some security in later life than handshakes from fans in the street saying I was a good loyal servant to the club when I was skint after a couple of relationship break ups. You only have one shot in football it is a short career. What is wrong with that? If you don't take care of yourself nobody else is going to do it for you. There is no room for sentimentality. Fans stick with their teams. Players are guns for hire.[/p][/quote]big, no huge difference is George that even now luke is probably earning more a week than you did in a year, the fact that he also has a five year contract to fall back on means that in the period of his contract he will earn a small fortune. even if he is earning just £30k a year, might be more might be less but its as good a figure as any, he would earn £1.56mill a year or £7.8mill over the five years. if he were to be injured next week and god forbid it was a career ending injury he would still be entitled to the remainder of his contract. so at the age of just 23 he would be worth £7.8mill from wages alone, then add any bonuses and endorsements and it could total more than £10mill. if you think that's not enough money for anyone to live on for the rest of their lives then please let us know. players earn a fortune nowadays and even an average prem player is set for life after a season or two. gone are the days that footballers have to consider another career after they finish playing, we wont see the likes of luke buying/running pubs like Peter Rodrigues did, he now works as a driver and his FA cup winning medal was brought by SFC in an auction in 2004 for £10,200. I get your point but if you think a player has to move clubs to secure his financial future you are quite wrong, if a player does move for money then they are showing their real greed. a lot of players, who are financially secure, would rather go to a club, or stay at a club, where they are guaranteed to play first team football week in week out. that's what saints can offer luke and lalla, they know they are going to play in the prem every week and earn enough to set them up for life, and I for one would rather play regular first team football in the prem with £10mill in the bank than sit on a bench and only play half the games and have £30mill in the bank. that's where we differ. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 1

6:13pm Mon 28 Apr 14

george chivers says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
george chivers wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Littleton-Saint wrote:
Our great club is bigger than its directors, players and manager. We will carry on regardless. If Lallana, Shaw and Spider are open to leaving, then they
need to consider that any move might mean less football in the first team with all the attendant frustration that that will bring. They are better off as Saints players if they really enjoy playing regular, first-team football. If they need an example of how leaving Saints can end a career prematurely, then consider Wayne Bridge!
I've never heard Wayne Bridge complaining about the compensation package he got with Chelsea and City. If it were me I would take the money every time.
Yes, I would believe that of you, you come across as someone whose loyalty could be bought off, rather than earned and maintained? Wayne may have made a few bob out of it, but the disruption that it all caused him must have been diificult to take, he may still be regretting the decision but probably wouldn't say so.
You seem to have a little thing about me Osprey. Care to explain why? I have supported/followed Saints since I was 12 which is 54 years and I was taken to my first game when I was 3 and a half. I haven't ever changed my allegiance.

In my working life up to age of 31 I swapped about to gain experience and increase my income and then I stuck for 20 years with a good company where I progressed to senior management and was paid well. And then I was made redundant. What is wrong with that? Nothing in my book.

Footballers have a narrow window of opportunity to make their money between the ages 18 and say 34 if they manage to avoid serious injury. Personally I would rather have the money and some security in later life than handshakes from fans in the street saying I was a good loyal servant to the club when I was skint after a couple of relationship break ups. You only have one shot in football it is a short career.

What is wrong with that?

If you don't take care of yourself nobody else is going to do it for you. There is no room for sentimentality. Fans stick with their teams. Players are guns for hire.
big, no huge difference is George that even now luke is probably earning more a week than you did in a year, the fact that he also has a five year contract to fall back on means that in the period of his contract he will earn a small fortune. even if he is earning just £30k a year, might be more might be less but its as good a figure as any, he would earn £1.56mill a year or £7.8mill over the five years. if he were to be injured next week and god forbid it was a career ending injury he would still be entitled to the remainder of his contract. so at the age of just 23 he would be worth £7.8mill from wages alone, then add any bonuses and endorsements and it could total more than £10mill. if you think that's not enough money for anyone to live on for the rest of their lives then please let us know.
players earn a fortune nowadays and even an average prem player is set for life after a season or two.
gone are the days that footballers have to consider another career after they finish playing, we wont see the likes of luke buying/running pubs like Peter Rodrigues did, he now works as a driver and his FA cup winning medal was brought by SFC in an auction in 2004 for £10,200.
I get your point but if you think a player has to move clubs to secure his financial future you are quite wrong, if a player does move for money then they are showing their real greed. a lot of players, who are financially secure, would rather go to a club, or stay at a club, where they are guaranteed to play first team football week in week out. that's what saints can offer luke and lalla, they know they are going to play in the prem every week and earn enough to set them up for life, and I for one would rather play regular first team football in the prem with £10mill in the bank than sit on a bench and only play half the games and have £30mill in the bank. that's where we differ.
Your points are good. But in general I think players are greedy and they are influenced by greedy agents and other top players they meet when they play for England. And sadly we can't offer Champions league football and in my view is and I know this will not be popular on here, we never will, unless somebody buys us who is seriously very rich, not seriously half very rich. And is prepared to make us a rich person's hobby.

As much as I want us to win every game I am a realist and I am not sentimental. Chelsea, Man City and Man U. hold the whip hand. Even if Liverpool win the PL this year I don't think they will repeat that success for a long time because their team will gradually be sold off. Such is football. Sadly. Money Rules.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote: Our great club is bigger than its directors, players and manager. We will carry on regardless. If Lallana, Shaw and Spider are open to leaving, then they need to consider that any move might mean less football in the first team with all the attendant frustration that that will bring. They are better off as Saints players if they really enjoy playing regular, first-team football. If they need an example of how leaving Saints can end a career prematurely, then consider Wayne Bridge![/p][/quote]I've never heard Wayne Bridge complaining about the compensation package he got with Chelsea and City. If it were me I would take the money every time.[/p][/quote]Yes, I would believe that of you, you come across as someone whose loyalty could be bought off, rather than earned and maintained? Wayne may have made a few bob out of it, but the disruption that it all caused him must have been diificult to take, he may still be regretting the decision but probably wouldn't say so.[/p][/quote]You seem to have a little thing about me Osprey. Care to explain why? I have supported/followed Saints since I was 12 which is 54 years and I was taken to my first game when I was 3 and a half. I haven't ever changed my allegiance. In my working life up to age of 31 I swapped about to gain experience and increase my income and then I stuck for 20 years with a good company where I progressed to senior management and was paid well. And then I was made redundant. What is wrong with that? Nothing in my book. Footballers have a narrow window of opportunity to make their money between the ages 18 and say 34 if they manage to avoid serious injury. Personally I would rather have the money and some security in later life than handshakes from fans in the street saying I was a good loyal servant to the club when I was skint after a couple of relationship break ups. You only have one shot in football it is a short career. What is wrong with that? If you don't take care of yourself nobody else is going to do it for you. There is no room for sentimentality. Fans stick with their teams. Players are guns for hire.[/p][/quote]big, no huge difference is George that even now luke is probably earning more a week than you did in a year, the fact that he also has a five year contract to fall back on means that in the period of his contract he will earn a small fortune. even if he is earning just £30k a year, might be more might be less but its as good a figure as any, he would earn £1.56mill a year or £7.8mill over the five years. if he were to be injured next week and god forbid it was a career ending injury he would still be entitled to the remainder of his contract. so at the age of just 23 he would be worth £7.8mill from wages alone, then add any bonuses and endorsements and it could total more than £10mill. if you think that's not enough money for anyone to live on for the rest of their lives then please let us know. players earn a fortune nowadays and even an average prem player is set for life after a season or two. gone are the days that footballers have to consider another career after they finish playing, we wont see the likes of luke buying/running pubs like Peter Rodrigues did, he now works as a driver and his FA cup winning medal was brought by SFC in an auction in 2004 for £10,200. I get your point but if you think a player has to move clubs to secure his financial future you are quite wrong, if a player does move for money then they are showing their real greed. a lot of players, who are financially secure, would rather go to a club, or stay at a club, where they are guaranteed to play first team football week in week out. that's what saints can offer luke and lalla, they know they are going to play in the prem every week and earn enough to set them up for life, and I for one would rather play regular first team football in the prem with £10mill in the bank than sit on a bench and only play half the games and have £30mill in the bank. that's where we differ.[/p][/quote]Your points are good. But in general I think players are greedy and they are influenced by greedy agents and other top players they meet when they play for England. And sadly we can't offer Champions league football and in my view is and I know this will not be popular on here, we never will, unless somebody buys us who is seriously very rich, not seriously half very rich. And is prepared to make us a rich person's hobby. As much as I want us to win every game I am a realist and I am not sentimental. Chelsea, Man City and Man U. hold the whip hand. Even if Liverpool win the PL this year I don't think they will repeat that success for a long time because their team will gradually be sold off. Such is football. Sadly. Money Rules. george chivers
  • Score: 3

6:19pm Mon 28 Apr 14

NC Fan4Life says...

I don't believe that Katharina has appointed the new board members just to settle for mid-table especially when this young side only needs 3 top players to make us Champion league contenders. There will be many good players near the end of their contracts &/or with relegated clubs so they may not necessary cost a fortune.
Even if they were considering selling Luke &/or Adam then it would be silly to do so before the World Cup as their price will be higher after it.
Need to keep both and also settle the players down by making a statement of intent now by sorting out the Managers contract, why wait and then buy a couple of their targets as soon as the transfer window opens.
This 'wait to the summer' and 'we hope to keep our best players' is only fueling the media. All our best players are under contract so Les or Ralph need to categorically state that they are not for sale.
Lets here some positive action.
I don't believe that Katharina has appointed the new board members just to settle for mid-table especially when this young side only needs 3 top players to make us Champion league contenders. There will be many good players near the end of their contracts &/or with relegated clubs so they may not necessary cost a fortune. Even if they were considering selling Luke &/or Adam then it would be silly to do so before the World Cup as their price will be higher after it. Need to keep both and also settle the players down by making a statement of intent now by sorting out the Managers contract, why wait and then buy a couple of their targets as soon as the transfer window opens. This 'wait to the summer' and 'we hope to keep our best players' is only fueling the media. All our best players are under contract so Les or Ralph need to categorically state that they are not for sale. Lets here some positive action. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 1

6:21pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Freddie Flowerpot says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
SaintSteve76 wrote:
When cortese was our chairman many of the players kept repeatedly saying was how something special was happening at southampton and that they wanted champions league football but only with southampton as that was the vision. Keep this team together with one or two quality additions and a top five position would become a realistic possibility. However, unfortunately since cortese left there doesn't seem to be the same ambition or drive from the club or the players. Not one player has mentioned the possibility of champions league foorball at southampton since cortese left. The vibe coming from the club and the players just doesn't seem to be the same as it was. I hope I'm wrong!
But that was always hot air, to get into the CL the club would need to invest a minimum of £500m in players as Man City, Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal have done over the past decade. Even Liverpool who'll be there next year have spent this much, it's just unattainable unless you can find a Sheik to buy the club.

Our best bet is to compete hard for every Cup we go into, win one and qualify for the EL, genuinely think we missed a massive opportunity this season even being an FA Cup finalist would have got us there, now Arsenal are odds on to get into the CL again.
Liverpool have spent £500mill? I don't know how you work that out because from when the prem started they have only spent £650.3mill with an income of £362.5mill that leaves a net of around £288mill. and thats over 20+ years.
Without getting into the whole 'net spend' debate, let's just agree they've had a lot more money to spend on players than we have.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintSteve76[/bold] wrote: When cortese was our chairman many of the players kept repeatedly saying was how something special was happening at southampton and that they wanted champions league football but only with southampton as that was the vision. Keep this team together with one or two quality additions and a top five position would become a realistic possibility. However, unfortunately since cortese left there doesn't seem to be the same ambition or drive from the club or the players. Not one player has mentioned the possibility of champions league foorball at southampton since cortese left. The vibe coming from the club and the players just doesn't seem to be the same as it was. I hope I'm wrong![/p][/quote]But that was always hot air, to get into the CL the club would need to invest a minimum of £500m in players as Man City, Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal have done over the past decade. Even Liverpool who'll be there next year have spent this much, it's just unattainable unless you can find a Sheik to buy the club. Our best bet is to compete hard for every Cup we go into, win one and qualify for the EL, genuinely think we missed a massive opportunity this season even being an FA Cup finalist would have got us there, now Arsenal are odds on to get into the CL again.[/p][/quote]Liverpool have spent £500mill? I don't know how you work that out because from when the prem started they have only spent £650.3mill with an income of £362.5mill that leaves a net of around £288mill. and thats over 20+ years.[/p][/quote]Without getting into the whole 'net spend' debate, let's just agree they've had a lot more money to spend on players than we have. Freddie Flowerpot
  • Score: 0

6:21pm Mon 28 Apr 14

george chivers says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
By the way George in case you hadn't noticed it isn't personal, my wrath is vented against anyone who puts up negative posts against the Saints, particularly those that I consider to be mischievous and disingenuous or are simply incorrect, but my words have never harmed anyone to my knowledge, upset a few I grant you, bored the pants off of many undoubtedly, I try to avoid being abusive and try to research my replies before posting them, I am not infallible, mostly harmless.
I guess the difference is Osprey what you view as negative, mischievous and disingenuous, in my case I view and deliver as realistic and non-sentimental. I just think the expectations of many posters on here are far too high.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: By the way George in case you hadn't noticed it isn't personal, my wrath is vented against anyone who puts up negative posts against the Saints, particularly those that I consider to be mischievous and disingenuous or are simply incorrect, but my words have never harmed anyone to my knowledge, upset a few I grant you, bored the pants off of many undoubtedly, I try to avoid being abusive and try to research my replies before posting them, I am not infallible, mostly harmless.[/p][/quote]I guess the difference is Osprey what you view as negative, mischievous and disingenuous, in my case I view and deliver as realistic and non-sentimental. I just think the expectations of many posters on here are far too high. george chivers
  • Score: 5

6:31pm Mon 28 Apr 14

saintpeter63 says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
I don't believe that Katharina has appointed the new board members just to settle for mid-table especially when this young side only needs 3 top players to make us Champion league contenders. There will be many good players near the end of their contracts &/or with relegated clubs so they may not necessary cost a fortune.
Even if they were considering selling Luke &/or Adam then it would be silly to do so before the World Cup as their price will be higher after it.
Need to keep both and also settle the players down by making a statement of intent now by sorting out the Managers contract, why wait and then buy a couple of their targets as soon as the transfer window opens.
This 'wait to the summer' and 'we hope to keep our best players' is only fueling the media. All our best players are under contract so Les or Ralph need to categorically state that they are not for sale.
Lets here some positive action.
agree but for now
keep calm and carry on
coyr
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: I don't believe that Katharina has appointed the new board members just to settle for mid-table especially when this young side only needs 3 top players to make us Champion league contenders. There will be many good players near the end of their contracts &/or with relegated clubs so they may not necessary cost a fortune. Even if they were considering selling Luke &/or Adam then it would be silly to do so before the World Cup as their price will be higher after it. Need to keep both and also settle the players down by making a statement of intent now by sorting out the Managers contract, why wait and then buy a couple of their targets as soon as the transfer window opens. This 'wait to the summer' and 'we hope to keep our best players' is only fueling the media. All our best players are under contract so Les or Ralph need to categorically state that they are not for sale. Lets here some positive action.[/p][/quote]agree but for now keep calm and carry on coyr saintpeter63
  • Score: 4

6:33pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Freddie Flowerpot says...

Velleity wrote:
Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
SaintSteve76 wrote:
When cortese was our chairman many of the players kept repeatedly saying was how something special was happening at southampton and that they wanted champions league football but only with southampton as that was the vision. Keep this team together with one or two quality additions and a top five position would become a realistic possibility. However, unfortunately since cortese left there doesn't seem to be the same ambition or drive from the club or the players. Not one player has mentioned the possibility of champions league foorball at southampton since cortese left. The vibe coming from the club and the players just doesn't seem to be the same as it was. I hope I'm wrong!
But that was always hot air, to get into the CL the club would need to invest a minimum of £500m in players as Man City, Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal have done over the past decade. Even Liverpool who'll be there next year have spent this much, it's just unattainable unless you can find a Sheik to buy the club.

Our best bet is to compete hard for every Cup we go into, win one and qualify for the EL, genuinely think we missed a massive opportunity this season even being an FA Cup finalist would have got us there, now Arsenal are odds on to get into the CL again.
Hi Freddie!

How's the season ticket going? The one you haven't bought since 2005. No, hang on, the one you've got. No, the one you've got but you watched Saturday's game on TV because that's your right. No, hang on, let's get the story straight now: the season ticket you never bought but you now own and don't use. Is that the truth?

Now, what viewpoint exactly are you trying to ge us to take seriously?
Hi Val
How are you doing?

Are you still 'typing your posts Naked' like last week?

I didn't realise it was that sort of website tbh, but you know, whatever makes you happy

LOL xx
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintSteve76[/bold] wrote: When cortese was our chairman many of the players kept repeatedly saying was how something special was happening at southampton and that they wanted champions league football but only with southampton as that was the vision. Keep this team together with one or two quality additions and a top five position would become a realistic possibility. However, unfortunately since cortese left there doesn't seem to be the same ambition or drive from the club or the players. Not one player has mentioned the possibility of champions league foorball at southampton since cortese left. The vibe coming from the club and the players just doesn't seem to be the same as it was. I hope I'm wrong![/p][/quote]But that was always hot air, to get into the CL the club would need to invest a minimum of £500m in players as Man City, Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal have done over the past decade. Even Liverpool who'll be there next year have spent this much, it's just unattainable unless you can find a Sheik to buy the club. Our best bet is to compete hard for every Cup we go into, win one and qualify for the EL, genuinely think we missed a massive opportunity this season even being an FA Cup finalist would have got us there, now Arsenal are odds on to get into the CL again.[/p][/quote]Hi Freddie! How's the season ticket going? The one you haven't bought since 2005. No, hang on, the one you've got. No, the one you've got but you watched Saturday's game on TV because that's your right. No, hang on, let's get the story straight now: the season ticket you never bought but you now own and don't use. Is that the truth? Now, what viewpoint exactly are you trying to ge us to take seriously?[/p][/quote]Hi Val How are you doing? Are you still 'typing your posts Naked' like last week? I didn't realise it was that sort of website tbh, but you know, whatever makes you happy LOL xx Freddie Flowerpot
  • Score: -4

6:51pm Mon 28 Apr 14

F Fan says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Littleton-Saint wrote:
Our great club is bigger than its directors, players and manager. We will carry on regardless. If Lallana, Shaw and Spider are open to leaving, then they
need to consider that any move might mean less football in the first team with all the attendant frustration that that will bring. They are better off as Saints players if they really enjoy playing regular, first-team football. If they need an example of how leaving Saints can end a career prematurely, then consider Wayne Bridge!
I've never heard Wayne Bridge complaining about the compensation package he got with Chelsea and City. If it were me I would take the money every time.
Yes, I would believe that of you, you come across as someone whose loyalty could be bought off, rather than earned and maintained? Wayne may have made a few bob out of it, but the disruption that it all caused him must have been diificult to take, he may still be regretting the decision but probably wouldn't say so.
Bridge didn't't choose to leave - Lowe left him no option.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote: Our great club is bigger than its directors, players and manager. We will carry on regardless. If Lallana, Shaw and Spider are open to leaving, then they need to consider that any move might mean less football in the first team with all the attendant frustration that that will bring. They are better off as Saints players if they really enjoy playing regular, first-team football. If they need an example of how leaving Saints can end a career prematurely, then consider Wayne Bridge![/p][/quote]I've never heard Wayne Bridge complaining about the compensation package he got with Chelsea and City. If it were me I would take the money every time.[/p][/quote]Yes, I would believe that of you, you come across as someone whose loyalty could be bought off, rather than earned and maintained? Wayne may have made a few bob out of it, but the disruption that it all caused him must have been diificult to take, he may still be regretting the decision but probably wouldn't say so.[/p][/quote]Bridge didn't't choose to leave - Lowe left him no option. F Fan
  • Score: 0

6:52pm Mon 28 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

george chivers wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
By the way George in case you hadn't noticed it isn't personal, my wrath is vented against anyone who puts up negative posts against the Saints, particularly those that I consider to be mischievous and disingenuous or are simply incorrect, but my words have never harmed anyone to my knowledge, upset a few I grant you, bored the pants off of many undoubtedly, I try to avoid being abusive and try to research my replies before posting them, I am not infallible, mostly harmless.
I guess the difference is Osprey what you view as negative, mischievous and disingenuous, in my case I view and deliver as realistic and non-sentimental. I just think the expectations of many posters on here are far too high.
Can't win mate, when I posted caution and sceptical I got flamed for having no ambition!
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: By the way George in case you hadn't noticed it isn't personal, my wrath is vented against anyone who puts up negative posts against the Saints, particularly those that I consider to be mischievous and disingenuous or are simply incorrect, but my words have never harmed anyone to my knowledge, upset a few I grant you, bored the pants off of many undoubtedly, I try to avoid being abusive and try to research my replies before posting them, I am not infallible, mostly harmless.[/p][/quote]I guess the difference is Osprey what you view as negative, mischievous and disingenuous, in my case I view and deliver as realistic and non-sentimental. I just think the expectations of many posters on here are far too high.[/p][/quote]Can't win mate, when I posted caution and sceptical I got flamed for having no ambition! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

6:54pm Mon 28 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

F Fan wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Littleton-Saint wrote:
Our great club is bigger than its directors, players and manager. We will carry on regardless. If Lallana, Shaw and Spider are open to leaving, then they
need to consider that any move might mean less football in the first team with all the attendant frustration that that will bring. They are better off as Saints players if they really enjoy playing regular, first-team football. If they need an example of how leaving Saints can end a career prematurely, then consider Wayne Bridge!
I've never heard Wayne Bridge complaining about the compensation package he got with Chelsea and City. If it were me I would take the money every time.
Yes, I would believe that of you, you come across as someone whose loyalty could be bought off, rather than earned and maintained? Wayne may have made a few bob out of it, but the disruption that it all caused him must have been diificult to take, he may still be regretting the decision but probably wouldn't say so.
Bridge didn't't choose to leave - Lowe left him no option.
Our fate has waxed and Wayned a lot since then, many Bridges have been crossed, time to Luke forward these days and move on.
[quote][p][bold]F Fan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote: Our great club is bigger than its directors, players and manager. We will carry on regardless. If Lallana, Shaw and Spider are open to leaving, then they need to consider that any move might mean less football in the first team with all the attendant frustration that that will bring. They are better off as Saints players if they really enjoy playing regular, first-team football. If they need an example of how leaving Saints can end a career prematurely, then consider Wayne Bridge![/p][/quote]I've never heard Wayne Bridge complaining about the compensation package he got with Chelsea and City. If it were me I would take the money every time.[/p][/quote]Yes, I would believe that of you, you come across as someone whose loyalty could be bought off, rather than earned and maintained? Wayne may have made a few bob out of it, but the disruption that it all caused him must have been diificult to take, he may still be regretting the decision but probably wouldn't say so.[/p][/quote]Bridge didn't't choose to leave - Lowe left him no option.[/p][/quote]Our fate has waxed and Wayned a lot since then, many Bridges have been crossed, time to Luke forward these days and move on. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

7:06pm Mon 28 Apr 14

arfer phesache says...

Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
SaintSteve76 wrote:
When cortese was our chairman many of the players kept repeatedly saying was how something special was happening at southampton and that they wanted champions league football but only with southampton as that was the vision. Keep this team together with one or two quality additions and a top five position would become a realistic possibility. However, unfortunately since cortese left there doesn't seem to be the same ambition or drive from the club or the players. Not one player has mentioned the possibility of champions league foorball at southampton since cortese left. The vibe coming from the club and the players just doesn't seem to be the same as it was. I hope I'm wrong!
But that was always hot air, to get into the CL the club would need to invest a minimum of £500m in players as Man City, Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal have done over the past decade. Even Liverpool who'll be there next year have spent this much, it's just unattainable unless you can find a Sheik to buy the club.

Our best bet is to compete hard for every Cup we go into, win one and qualify for the EL, genuinely think we missed a massive opportunity this season even being an FA Cup finalist would have got us there, now Arsenal are odds on to get into the CL again.
Hi Freddie!

How's the season ticket going? The one you haven't bought since 2005. No, hang on, the one you've got. No, the one you've got but you watched Saturday's game on TV because that's your right. No, hang on, let's get the story straight now: the season ticket you never bought but you now own and don't use. Is that the truth?

Now, what viewpoint exactly are you trying to ge us to take seriously?
Hi Val
How are you doing?

Are you still 'typing your posts Naked' like last week?

I didn't realise it was that sort of website tbh, but you know, whatever makes you happy

LOL xx
Aaah, good old Freddie,the season ticket holder,who strangely,would rather watch a home game from his sofa,on his Samsung hd 49 incher with a dodgy volume control.......Saints fan ! yeah,course you are
[quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintSteve76[/bold] wrote: When cortese was our chairman many of the players kept repeatedly saying was how something special was happening at southampton and that they wanted champions league football but only with southampton as that was the vision. Keep this team together with one or two quality additions and a top five position would become a realistic possibility. However, unfortunately since cortese left there doesn't seem to be the same ambition or drive from the club or the players. Not one player has mentioned the possibility of champions league foorball at southampton since cortese left. The vibe coming from the club and the players just doesn't seem to be the same as it was. I hope I'm wrong![/p][/quote]But that was always hot air, to get into the CL the club would need to invest a minimum of £500m in players as Man City, Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal have done over the past decade. Even Liverpool who'll be there next year have spent this much, it's just unattainable unless you can find a Sheik to buy the club. Our best bet is to compete hard for every Cup we go into, win one and qualify for the EL, genuinely think we missed a massive opportunity this season even being an FA Cup finalist would have got us there, now Arsenal are odds on to get into the CL again.[/p][/quote]Hi Freddie! How's the season ticket going? The one you haven't bought since 2005. No, hang on, the one you've got. No, the one you've got but you watched Saturday's game on TV because that's your right. No, hang on, let's get the story straight now: the season ticket you never bought but you now own and don't use. Is that the truth? Now, what viewpoint exactly are you trying to ge us to take seriously?[/p][/quote]Hi Val How are you doing? Are you still 'typing your posts Naked' like last week? I didn't realise it was that sort of website tbh, but you know, whatever makes you happy LOL xx[/p][/quote]Aaah, good old Freddie,the season ticket holder,who strangely,would rather watch a home game from his sofa,on his Samsung hd 49 incher with a dodgy volume control.......Saints fan ! yeah,course you are arfer phesache
  • Score: 5

7:29pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Rooflas says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
I don't believe that Katharina has appointed the new board members just to settle for mid-table especially when this young side only needs 3 top players to make us Champion league contenders. There will be many good players near the end of their contracts &/or with relegated clubs so they may not necessary cost a fortune.
Even if they were considering selling Luke &/or Adam then it would be silly to do so before the World Cup as their price will be higher after it.
Need to keep both and also settle the players down by making a statement of intent now by sorting out the Managers contract, why wait and then buy a couple of their targets as soon as the transfer window opens.
This 'wait to the summer' and 'we hope to keep our best players' is only fueling the media. All our best players are under contract so Les or Ralph need to categorically state that they are not for sale.
Lets here some positive action.
Just questioning early part of your post. 3 or 4 extra players to be c.l. contenders, I think you'll be looking at least double that to compete in c.l. Prem league and all cup games throughout the season. Big gamble and that is without injuries, which when happens is like buses and you end up with 3-4 1st choice players. Look what happened when we lot louvre, boruc, shaw and Vic!
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: I don't believe that Katharina has appointed the new board members just to settle for mid-table especially when this young side only needs 3 top players to make us Champion league contenders. There will be many good players near the end of their contracts &/or with relegated clubs so they may not necessary cost a fortune. Even if they were considering selling Luke &/or Adam then it would be silly to do so before the World Cup as their price will be higher after it. Need to keep both and also settle the players down by making a statement of intent now by sorting out the Managers contract, why wait and then buy a couple of their targets as soon as the transfer window opens. This 'wait to the summer' and 'we hope to keep our best players' is only fueling the media. All our best players are under contract so Les or Ralph need to categorically state that they are not for sale. Lets here some positive action.[/p][/quote]Just questioning early part of your post. 3 or 4 extra players to be c.l. contenders, I think you'll be looking at least double that to compete in c.l. Prem league and all cup games throughout the season. Big gamble and that is without injuries, which when happens is like buses and you end up with 3-4 1st choice players. Look what happened when we lot louvre, boruc, shaw and Vic! Rooflas
  • Score: -1

7:38pm Mon 28 Apr 14

el caballo santos101 says...

george chivers wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
george chivers wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Littleton-Saint wrote:
Our great club is bigger than its directors, players and manager. We will carry on regardless. If Lallana, Shaw and Spider are open to leaving, then they
need to consider that any move might mean less football in the first team with all the attendant frustration that that will bring. They are better off as Saints players if they really enjoy playing regular, first-team football. If they need an example of how leaving Saints can end a career prematurely, then consider Wayne Bridge!
I've never heard Wayne Bridge complaining about the compensation package he got with Chelsea and City. If it were me I would take the money every time.
Yes, I would believe that of you, you come across as someone whose loyalty could be bought off, rather than earned and maintained? Wayne may have made a few bob out of it, but the disruption that it all caused him must have been diificult to take, he may still be regretting the decision but probably wouldn't say so.
You seem to have a little thing about me Osprey. Care to explain why? I have supported/followed Saints since I was 12 which is 54 years and I was taken to my first game when I was 3 and a half. I haven't ever changed my allegiance.

In my working life up to age of 31 I swapped about to gain experience and increase my income and then I stuck for 20 years with a good company where I progressed to senior management and was paid well. And then I was made redundant. What is wrong with that? Nothing in my book.

Footballers have a narrow window of opportunity to make their money between the ages 18 and say 34 if they manage to avoid serious injury. Personally I would rather have the money and some security in later life than handshakes from fans in the street saying I was a good loyal servant to the club when I was skint after a couple of relationship break ups. You only have one shot in football it is a short career.

What is wrong with that?

If you don't take care of yourself nobody else is going to do it for you. There is no room for sentimentality. Fans stick with their teams. Players are guns for hire.
big, no huge difference is George that even now luke is probably earning more a week than you did in a year, the fact that he also has a five year contract to fall back on means that in the period of his contract he will earn a small fortune. even if he is earning just £30k a year, might be more might be less but its as good a figure as any, he would earn £1.56mill a year or £7.8mill over the five years. if he were to be injured next week and god forbid it was a career ending injury he would still be entitled to the remainder of his contract. so at the age of just 23 he would be worth £7.8mill from wages alone, then add any bonuses and endorsements and it could total more than £10mill. if you think that's not enough money for anyone to live on for the rest of their lives then please let us know.
players earn a fortune nowadays and even an average prem player is set for life after a season or two.
gone are the days that footballers have to consider another career after they finish playing, we wont see the likes of luke buying/running pubs like Peter Rodrigues did, he now works as a driver and his FA cup winning medal was brought by SFC in an auction in 2004 for £10,200.
I get your point but if you think a player has to move clubs to secure his financial future you are quite wrong, if a player does move for money then they are showing their real greed. a lot of players, who are financially secure, would rather go to a club, or stay at a club, where they are guaranteed to play first team football week in week out. that's what saints can offer luke and lalla, they know they are going to play in the prem every week and earn enough to set them up for life, and I for one would rather play regular first team football in the prem with £10mill in the bank than sit on a bench and only play half the games and have £30mill in the bank. that's where we differ.
Your points are good. But in general I think players are greedy and they are influenced by greedy agents and other top players they meet when they play for England. And sadly we can't offer Champions league football and in my view is and I know this will not be popular on here, we never will, unless somebody buys us who is seriously very rich, not seriously half very rich. And is prepared to make us a rich person's hobby.

As much as I want us to win every game I am a realist and I am not sentimental. Chelsea, Man City and Man U. hold the whip hand. Even if Liverpool win the PL this year I don't think they will repeat that success for a long time because their team will gradually be sold off. Such is football. Sadly. Money Rules.
George how much money do you think someone has to have to be seriously very rich? KL is richer than most prem owners with only mancy and chelski beating her outright. arsenil combined ownership beats her but she is richer than their majority shareholder. KL has a net worth in excess of £3bill+, that to me is seriously very rich. ok mancys owners are worth £20bill and roman is worth £10bill but £3bill+ must be considered very rich in anyone`s book. and you don't find these type of people everday, ask poor old poopey!
I don't want her to do a mancy or chelski though, I would rather we grow the club over a few years, with a fair bit of input but not to the extent that we lose the soul of the club.
despite what the flowerhead says we haven't been outspent by Liverpool in the last 2 seasons by that much (net spend) liverpools net spend for 2012/14 is around £69.8mill whilst ours is £68.4mill. that's not a big difference when you consider our league positions.
it will take another season or 2 of £30-£40mill spending, provided we keep the majority of our current squad, for saints to have a squad that could compete for a top 4/6 place. KL and her father have invested a lot of money in the club and I wouldn't think she would want to see the value of the club drop drastically with the sale of the best players, she seems to be enjoying the games and has a good business head on her coupled with some excellent appointments to the board. we don't want £100mill+ spends in the market, it would destroy the name of the club and we would go from being everyone`s favourite second team to just another big spender.
patience is a virtue and we had to be patient getting back to the prem from when we were relegated, just a little bit more patience and we could see something very special happen to our little old club!

as for your comment to ospers about your comments being realistic, well they might be realistic from your standpoint but I would say mine were too, and so would ospers. difference is you try to read between the lines and turn opinion into fact whilst I read what the players, manager and club say on face value and will only post their comments as the truth or `realistically`. opinion and realism are quite a different thing.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote: Our great club is bigger than its directors, players and manager. We will carry on regardless. If Lallana, Shaw and Spider are open to leaving, then they need to consider that any move might mean less football in the first team with all the attendant frustration that that will bring. They are better off as Saints players if they really enjoy playing regular, first-team football. If they need an example of how leaving Saints can end a career prematurely, then consider Wayne Bridge![/p][/quote]I've never heard Wayne Bridge complaining about the compensation package he got with Chelsea and City. If it were me I would take the money every time.[/p][/quote]Yes, I would believe that of you, you come across as someone whose loyalty could be bought off, rather than earned and maintained? Wayne may have made a few bob out of it, but the disruption that it all caused him must have been diificult to take, he may still be regretting the decision but probably wouldn't say so.[/p][/quote]You seem to have a little thing about me Osprey. Care to explain why? I have supported/followed Saints since I was 12 which is 54 years and I was taken to my first game when I was 3 and a half. I haven't ever changed my allegiance. In my working life up to age of 31 I swapped about to gain experience and increase my income and then I stuck for 20 years with a good company where I progressed to senior management and was paid well. And then I was made redundant. What is wrong with that? Nothing in my book. Footballers have a narrow window of opportunity to make their money between the ages 18 and say 34 if they manage to avoid serious injury. Personally I would rather have the money and some security in later life than handshakes from fans in the street saying I was a good loyal servant to the club when I was skint after a couple of relationship break ups. You only have one shot in football it is a short career. What is wrong with that? If you don't take care of yourself nobody else is going to do it for you. There is no room for sentimentality. Fans stick with their teams. Players are guns for hire.[/p][/quote]big, no huge difference is George that even now luke is probably earning more a week than you did in a year, the fact that he also has a five year contract to fall back on means that in the period of his contract he will earn a small fortune. even if he is earning just £30k a year, might be more might be less but its as good a figure as any, he would earn £1.56mill a year or £7.8mill over the five years. if he were to be injured next week and god forbid it was a career ending injury he would still be entitled to the remainder of his contract. so at the age of just 23 he would be worth £7.8mill from wages alone, then add any bonuses and endorsements and it could total more than £10mill. if you think that's not enough money for anyone to live on for the rest of their lives then please let us know. players earn a fortune nowadays and even an average prem player is set for life after a season or two. gone are the days that footballers have to consider another career after they finish playing, we wont see the likes of luke buying/running pubs like Peter Rodrigues did, he now works as a driver and his FA cup winning medal was brought by SFC in an auction in 2004 for £10,200. I get your point but if you think a player has to move clubs to secure his financial future you are quite wrong, if a player does move for money then they are showing their real greed. a lot of players, who are financially secure, would rather go to a club, or stay at a club, where they are guaranteed to play first team football week in week out. that's what saints can offer luke and lalla, they know they are going to play in the prem every week and earn enough to set them up for life, and I for one would rather play regular first team football in the prem with £10mill in the bank than sit on a bench and only play half the games and have £30mill in the bank. that's where we differ.[/p][/quote]Your points are good. But in general I think players are greedy and they are influenced by greedy agents and other top players they meet when they play for England. And sadly we can't offer Champions league football and in my view is and I know this will not be popular on here, we never will, unless somebody buys us who is seriously very rich, not seriously half very rich. And is prepared to make us a rich person's hobby. As much as I want us to win every game I am a realist and I am not sentimental. Chelsea, Man City and Man U. hold the whip hand. Even if Liverpool win the PL this year I don't think they will repeat that success for a long time because their team will gradually be sold off. Such is football. Sadly. Money Rules.[/p][/quote]George how much money do you think someone has to have to be seriously very rich? KL is richer than most prem owners with only mancy and chelski beating her outright. arsenil combined ownership beats her but she is richer than their majority shareholder. KL has a net worth in excess of £3bill+, that to me is seriously very rich. ok mancys owners are worth £20bill and roman is worth £10bill but £3bill+ must be considered very rich in anyone`s book. and you don't find these type of people everday, ask poor old poopey! I don't want her to do a mancy or chelski though, I would rather we grow the club over a few years, with a fair bit of input but not to the extent that we lose the soul of the club. despite what the flowerhead says we haven't been outspent by Liverpool in the last 2 seasons by that much (net spend) liverpools net spend for 2012/14 is around £69.8mill whilst ours is £68.4mill. that's not a big difference when you consider our league positions. it will take another season or 2 of £30-£40mill spending, provided we keep the majority of our current squad, for saints to have a squad that could compete for a top 4/6 place. KL and her father have invested a lot of money in the club and I wouldn't think she would want to see the value of the club drop drastically with the sale of the best players, she seems to be enjoying the games and has a good business head on her coupled with some excellent appointments to the board. we don't want £100mill+ spends in the market, it would destroy the name of the club and we would go from being everyone`s favourite second team to just another big spender. patience is a virtue and we had to be patient getting back to the prem from when we were relegated, just a little bit more patience and we could see something very special happen to our little old club! as for your comment to ospers about your comments being realistic, well they might be realistic from your standpoint but I would say mine were too, and so would ospers. difference is you try to read between the lines and turn opinion into fact whilst I read what the players, manager and club say on face value and will only post their comments as the truth or `realistically`. opinion and realism are quite a different thing. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 1

7:40pm Mon 28 Apr 14

redandy10 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
By the way George in case you hadn't noticed it isn't personal, my wrath is vented against anyone who puts up negative posts against the Saints, particularly those that I consider to be mischievous and disingenuous or are simply incorrect, but my words have never harmed anyone to my knowledge, upset a few I grant you, bored the pants off of many undoubtedly, I try to avoid being abusive and try to research my replies before posting them, I am not infallible, mostly harmless.
Who cares about your supposed wrath?
Stop taking this thread and yourself so seriously and give us a score update why don't you!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: By the way George in case you hadn't noticed it isn't personal, my wrath is vented against anyone who puts up negative posts against the Saints, particularly those that I consider to be mischievous and disingenuous or are simply incorrect, but my words have never harmed anyone to my knowledge, upset a few I grant you, bored the pants off of many undoubtedly, I try to avoid being abusive and try to research my replies before posting them, I am not infallible, mostly harmless.[/p][/quote]Who cares about your supposed wrath? Stop taking this thread and yourself so seriously and give us a score update why don't you! redandy10
  • Score: -5

7:44pm Mon 28 Apr 14

redandy10 says...

arfer phesache wrote:
Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
SaintSteve76 wrote:
When cortese was our chairman many of the players kept repeatedly saying was how something special was happening at southampton and that they wanted champions league football but only with southampton as that was the vision. Keep this team together with one or two quality additions and a top five position would become a realistic possibility. However, unfortunately since cortese left there doesn't seem to be the same ambition or drive from the club or the players. Not one player has mentioned the possibility of champions league foorball at southampton since cortese left. The vibe coming from the club and the players just doesn't seem to be the same as it was. I hope I'm wrong!
But that was always hot air, to get into the CL the club would need to invest a minimum of £500m in players as Man City, Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal have done over the past decade. Even Liverpool who'll be there next year have spent this much, it's just unattainable unless you can find a Sheik to buy the club.

Our best bet is to compete hard for every Cup we go into, win one and qualify for the EL, genuinely think we missed a massive opportunity this season even being an FA Cup finalist would have got us there, now Arsenal are odds on to get into the CL again.
Hi Freddie!

How's the season ticket going? The one you haven't bought since 2005. No, hang on, the one you've got. No, the one you've got but you watched Saturday's game on TV because that's your right. No, hang on, let's get the story straight now: the season ticket you never bought but you now own and don't use. Is that the truth?

Now, what viewpoint exactly are you trying to ge us to take seriously?
Hi Val
How are you doing?

Are you still 'typing your posts Naked' like last week?

I didn't realise it was that sort of website tbh, but you know, whatever makes you happy

LOL xx
Aaah, good old Freddie,the season ticket holder,who strangely,would rather watch a home game from his sofa,on his Samsung hd 49 incher with a dodgy volume control.......Saints fan ! yeah,course you are
SPEAK UP OSPREY, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!

Stop playing games and give us a SCORE UPDATE PLEASE.
[quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintSteve76[/bold] wrote: When cortese was our chairman many of the players kept repeatedly saying was how something special was happening at southampton and that they wanted champions league football but only with southampton as that was the vision. Keep this team together with one or two quality additions and a top five position would become a realistic possibility. However, unfortunately since cortese left there doesn't seem to be the same ambition or drive from the club or the players. Not one player has mentioned the possibility of champions league foorball at southampton since cortese left. The vibe coming from the club and the players just doesn't seem to be the same as it was. I hope I'm wrong![/p][/quote]But that was always hot air, to get into the CL the club would need to invest a minimum of £500m in players as Man City, Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal have done over the past decade. Even Liverpool who'll be there next year have spent this much, it's just unattainable unless you can find a Sheik to buy the club. Our best bet is to compete hard for every Cup we go into, win one and qualify for the EL, genuinely think we missed a massive opportunity this season even being an FA Cup finalist would have got us there, now Arsenal are odds on to get into the CL again.[/p][/quote]Hi Freddie! How's the season ticket going? The one you haven't bought since 2005. No, hang on, the one you've got. No, the one you've got but you watched Saturday's game on TV because that's your right. No, hang on, let's get the story straight now: the season ticket you never bought but you now own and don't use. Is that the truth? Now, what viewpoint exactly are you trying to ge us to take seriously?[/p][/quote]Hi Val How are you doing? Are you still 'typing your posts Naked' like last week? I didn't realise it was that sort of website tbh, but you know, whatever makes you happy LOL xx[/p][/quote]Aaah, good old Freddie,the season ticket holder,who strangely,would rather watch a home game from his sofa,on his Samsung hd 49 incher with a dodgy volume control.......Saints fan ! yeah,course you are[/p][/quote]SPEAK UP OSPREY, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU!!! Stop playing games and give us a SCORE UPDATE PLEASE. redandy10
  • Score: -1

7:53pm Mon 28 Apr 14

redandy10 says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
george chivers wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
george chivers wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Littleton-Saint wrote:
Our great club is bigger than its directors, players and manager. We will carry on regardless. If Lallana, Shaw and Spider are open to leaving, then they
need to consider that any move might mean less football in the first team with all the attendant frustration that that will bring. They are better off as Saints players if they really enjoy playing regular, first-team football. If they need an example of how leaving Saints can end a career prematurely, then consider Wayne Bridge!
I've never heard Wayne Bridge complaining about the compensation package he got with Chelsea and City. If it were me I would take the money every time.
Yes, I would believe that of you, you come across as someone whose loyalty could be bought off, rather than earned and maintained? Wayne may have made a few bob out of it, but the disruption that it all caused him must have been diificult to take, he may still be regretting the decision but probably wouldn't say so.
You seem to have a little thing about me Osprey. Care to explain why? I have supported/followed Saints since I was 12 which is 54 years and I was taken to my first game when I was 3 and a half. I haven't ever changed my allegiance.

In my working life up to age of 31 I swapped about to gain experience and increase my income and then I stuck for 20 years with a good company where I progressed to senior management and was paid well. And then I was made redundant. What is wrong with that? Nothing in my book.

Footballers have a narrow window of opportunity to make their money between the ages 18 and say 34 if they manage to avoid serious injury. Personally I would rather have the money and some security in later life than handshakes from fans in the street saying I was a good loyal servant to the club when I was skint after a couple of relationship break ups. You only have one shot in football it is a short career.

What is wrong with that?

If you don't take care of yourself nobody else is going to do it for you. There is no room for sentimentality. Fans stick with their teams. Players are guns for hire.
big, no huge difference is George that even now luke is probably earning more a week than you did in a year, the fact that he also has a five year contract to fall back on means that in the period of his contract he will earn a small fortune. even if he is earning just £30k a year, might be more might be less but its as good a figure as any, he would earn £1.56mill a year or £7.8mill over the five years. if he were to be injured next week and god forbid it was a career ending injury he would still be entitled to the remainder of his contract. so at the age of just 23 he would be worth £7.8mill from wages alone, then add any bonuses and endorsements and it could total more than £10mill. if you think that's not enough money for anyone to live on for the rest of their lives then please let us know.
players earn a fortune nowadays and even an average prem player is set for life after a season or two.
gone are the days that footballers have to consider another career after they finish playing, we wont see the likes of luke buying/running pubs like Peter Rodrigues did, he now works as a driver and his FA cup winning medal was brought by SFC in an auction in 2004 for £10,200.
I get your point but if you think a player has to move clubs to secure his financial future you are quite wrong, if a player does move for money then they are showing their real greed. a lot of players, who are financially secure, would rather go to a club, or stay at a club, where they are guaranteed to play first team football week in week out. that's what saints can offer luke and lalla, they know they are going to play in the prem every week and earn enough to set them up for life, and I for one would rather play regular first team football in the prem with £10mill in the bank than sit on a bench and only play half the games and have £30mill in the bank. that's where we differ.
Your points are good. But in general I think players are greedy and they are influenced by greedy agents and other top players they meet when they play for England. And sadly we can't offer Champions league football and in my view is and I know this will not be popular on here, we never will, unless somebody buys us who is seriously very rich, not seriously half very rich. And is prepared to make us a rich person's hobby.

As much as I want us to win every game I am a realist and I am not sentimental. Chelsea, Man City and Man U. hold the whip hand. Even if Liverpool win the PL this year I don't think they will repeat that success for a long time because their team will gradually be sold off. Such is football. Sadly. Money Rules.
George how much money do you think someone has to have to be seriously very rich? KL is richer than most prem owners with only mancy and chelski beating her outright. arsenil combined ownership beats her but she is richer than their majority shareholder. KL has a net worth in excess of £3bill+, that to me is seriously very rich. ok mancys owners are worth £20bill and roman is worth £10bill but £3bill+ must be considered very rich in anyone`s book. and you don't find these type of people everday, ask poor old poopey!
I don't want her to do a mancy or chelski though, I would rather we grow the club over a few years, with a fair bit of input but not to the extent that we lose the soul of the club.
despite what the flowerhead says we haven't been outspent by Liverpool in the last 2 seasons by that much (net spend) liverpools net spend for 2012/14 is around £69.8mill whilst ours is £68.4mill. that's not a big difference when you consider our league positions.
it will take another season or 2 of £30-£40mill spending, provided we keep the majority of our current squad, for saints to have a squad that could compete for a top 4/6 place. KL and her father have invested a lot of money in the club and I wouldn't think she would want to see the value of the club drop drastically with the sale of the best players, she seems to be enjoying the games and has a good business head on her coupled with some excellent appointments to the board. we don't want £100mill+ spends in the market, it would destroy the name of the club and we would go from being everyone`s favourite second team to just another big spender.
patience is a virtue and we had to be patient getting back to the prem from when we were relegated, just a little bit more patience and we could see something very special happen to our little old club!

as for your comment to ospers about your comments being realistic, well they might be realistic from your standpoint but I would say mine were too, and so would ospers. difference is you try to read between the lines and turn opinion into fact whilst I read what the players, manager and club say on face value and will only post their comments as the truth or `realistically`. opinion and realism are quite a different thing.
Caballo I told you yesterday I agree with you on what you think we need to spend, but because she is worth a lot of money doesn't mean that she's going to stump up big bucks. As you say she has a good head for business, so she might be careful with our outgoings. The details about NC's first year salary and our financial dealings could be a big hint for us not to expect a lot of signings.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote: Our great club is bigger than its directors, players and manager. We will carry on regardless. If Lallana, Shaw and Spider are open to leaving, then they need to consider that any move might mean less football in the first team with all the attendant frustration that that will bring. They are better off as Saints players if they really enjoy playing regular, first-team football. If they need an example of how leaving Saints can end a career prematurely, then consider Wayne Bridge![/p][/quote]I've never heard Wayne Bridge complaining about the compensation package he got with Chelsea and City. If it were me I would take the money every time.[/p][/quote]Yes, I would believe that of you, you come across as someone whose loyalty could be bought off, rather than earned and maintained? Wayne may have made a few bob out of it, but the disruption that it all caused him must have been diificult to take, he may still be regretting the decision but probably wouldn't say so.[/p][/quote]You seem to have a little thing about me Osprey. Care to explain why? I have supported/followed Saints since I was 12 which is 54 years and I was taken to my first game when I was 3 and a half. I haven't ever changed my allegiance. In my working life up to age of 31 I swapped about to gain experience and increase my income and then I stuck for 20 years with a good company where I progressed to senior management and was paid well. And then I was made redundant. What is wrong with that? Nothing in my book. Footballers have a narrow window of opportunity to make their money between the ages 18 and say 34 if they manage to avoid serious injury. Personally I would rather have the money and some security in later life than handshakes from fans in the street saying I was a good loyal servant to the club when I was skint after a couple of relationship break ups. You only have one shot in football it is a short career. What is wrong with that? If you don't take care of yourself nobody else is going to do it for you. There is no room for sentimentality. Fans stick with their teams. Players are guns for hire.[/p][/quote]big, no huge difference is George that even now luke is probably earning more a week than you did in a year, the fact that he also has a five year contract to fall back on means that in the period of his contract he will earn a small fortune. even if he is earning just £30k a year, might be more might be less but its as good a figure as any, he would earn £1.56mill a year or £7.8mill over the five years. if he were to be injured next week and god forbid it was a career ending injury he would still be entitled to the remainder of his contract. so at the age of just 23 he would be worth £7.8mill from wages alone, then add any bonuses and endorsements and it could total more than £10mill. if you think that's not enough money for anyone to live on for the rest of their lives then please let us know. players earn a fortune nowadays and even an average prem player is set for life after a season or two. gone are the days that footballers have to consider another career after they finish playing, we wont see the likes of luke buying/running pubs like Peter Rodrigues did, he now works as a driver and his FA cup winning medal was brought by SFC in an auction in 2004 for £10,200. I get your point but if you think a player has to move clubs to secure his financial future you are quite wrong, if a player does move for money then they are showing their real greed. a lot of players, who are financially secure, would rather go to a club, or stay at a club, where they are guaranteed to play first team football week in week out. that's what saints can offer luke and lalla, they know they are going to play in the prem every week and earn enough to set them up for life, and I for one would rather play regular first team football in the prem with £10mill in the bank than sit on a bench and only play half the games and have £30mill in the bank. that's where we differ.[/p][/quote]Your points are good. But in general I think players are greedy and they are influenced by greedy agents and other top players they meet when they play for England. And sadly we can't offer Champions league football and in my view is and I know this will not be popular on here, we never will, unless somebody buys us who is seriously very rich, not seriously half very rich. And is prepared to make us a rich person's hobby. As much as I want us to win every game I am a realist and I am not sentimental. Chelsea, Man City and Man U. hold the whip hand. Even if Liverpool win the PL this year I don't think they will repeat that success for a long time because their team will gradually be sold off. Such is football. Sadly. Money Rules.[/p][/quote]George how much money do you think someone has to have to be seriously very rich? KL is richer than most prem owners with only mancy and chelski beating her outright. arsenil combined ownership beats her but she is richer than their majority shareholder. KL has a net worth in excess of £3bill+, that to me is seriously very rich. ok mancys owners are worth £20bill and roman is worth £10bill but £3bill+ must be considered very rich in anyone`s book. and you don't find these type of people everday, ask poor old poopey! I don't want her to do a mancy or chelski though, I would rather we grow the club over a few years, with a fair bit of input but not to the extent that we lose the soul of the club. despite what the flowerhead says we haven't been outspent by Liverpool in the last 2 seasons by that much (net spend) liverpools net spend for 2012/14 is around £69.8mill whilst ours is £68.4mill. that's not a big difference when you consider our league positions. it will take another season or 2 of £30-£40mill spending, provided we keep the majority of our current squad, for saints to have a squad that could compete for a top 4/6 place. KL and her father have invested a lot of money in the club and I wouldn't think she would want to see the value of the club drop drastically with the sale of the best players, she seems to be enjoying the games and has a good business head on her coupled with some excellent appointments to the board. we don't want £100mill+ spends in the market, it would destroy the name of the club and we would go from being everyone`s favourite second team to just another big spender. patience is a virtue and we had to be patient getting back to the prem from when we were relegated, just a little bit more patience and we could see something very special happen to our little old club! as for your comment to ospers about your comments being realistic, well they might be realistic from your standpoint but I would say mine were too, and so would ospers. difference is you try to read between the lines and turn opinion into fact whilst I read what the players, manager and club say on face value and will only post their comments as the truth or `realistically`. opinion and realism are quite a different thing.[/p][/quote]Caballo I told you yesterday I agree with you on what you think we need to spend, but because she is worth a lot of money doesn't mean that she's going to stump up big bucks. As you say she has a good head for business, so she might be careful with our outgoings. The details about NC's first year salary and our financial dealings could be a big hint for us not to expect a lot of signings. redandy10
  • Score: 0

7:55pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Freddie Flowerpot says...

redandy10 wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
SaintSteve76 wrote:
When cortese was our chairman many of the players kept repeatedly saying was how something special was happening at southampton and that they wanted champions league football but only with southampton as that was the vision. Keep this team together with one or two quality additions and a top five position would become a realistic possibility. However, unfortunately since cortese left there doesn't seem to be the same ambition or drive from the club or the players. Not one player has mentioned the possibility of champions league foorball at southampton since cortese left. The vibe coming from the club and the players just doesn't seem to be the same as it was. I hope I'm wrong!
But that was always hot air, to get into the CL the club would need to invest a minimum of £500m in players as Man City, Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal have done over the past decade. Even Liverpool who'll be there next year have spent this much, it's just unattainable unless you can find a Sheik to buy the club.

Our best bet is to compete hard for every Cup we go into, win one and qualify for the EL, genuinely think we missed a massive opportunity this season even being an FA Cup finalist would have got us there, now Arsenal are odds on to get into the CL again.
Hi Freddie!

How's the season ticket going? The one you haven't bought since 2005. No, hang on, the one you've got. No, the one you've got but you watched Saturday's game on TV because that's your right. No, hang on, let's get the story straight now: the season ticket you never bought but you now own and don't use. Is that the truth?

Now, what viewpoint exactly are you trying to ge us to take seriously?
Hi Val
How are you doing?

Are you still 'typing your posts Naked' like last week?

I didn't realise it was that sort of website tbh, but you know, whatever makes you happy

LOL xx
Aaah, good old Freddie,the season ticket holder,who strangely,would rather watch a home game from his sofa,on his Samsung hd 49 incher with a dodgy volume control.......Saints fan ! yeah,course you are
SPEAK UP OSPREY, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!

Stop playing games and give us a SCORE UPDATE PLEASE.
RedAndy,

Can you stop quoting in my thread thanx, this one is reserved for those that want to insult me

Osprey is in the thread above.

Cheers
FF
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintSteve76[/bold] wrote: When cortese was our chairman many of the players kept repeatedly saying was how something special was happening at southampton and that they wanted champions league football but only with southampton as that was the vision. Keep this team together with one or two quality additions and a top five position would become a realistic possibility. However, unfortunately since cortese left there doesn't seem to be the same ambition or drive from the club or the players. Not one player has mentioned the possibility of champions league foorball at southampton since cortese left. The vibe coming from the club and the players just doesn't seem to be the same as it was. I hope I'm wrong![/p][/quote]But that was always hot air, to get into the CL the club would need to invest a minimum of £500m in players as Man City, Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal have done over the past decade. Even Liverpool who'll be there next year have spent this much, it's just unattainable unless you can find a Sheik to buy the club. Our best bet is to compete hard for every Cup we go into, win one and qualify for the EL, genuinely think we missed a massive opportunity this season even being an FA Cup finalist would have got us there, now Arsenal are odds on to get into the CL again.[/p][/quote]Hi Freddie! How's the season ticket going? The one you haven't bought since 2005. No, hang on, the one you've got. No, the one you've got but you watched Saturday's game on TV because that's your right. No, hang on, let's get the story straight now: the season ticket you never bought but you now own and don't use. Is that the truth? Now, what viewpoint exactly are you trying to ge us to take seriously?[/p][/quote]Hi Val How are you doing? Are you still 'typing your posts Naked' like last week? I didn't realise it was that sort of website tbh, but you know, whatever makes you happy LOL xx[/p][/quote]Aaah, good old Freddie,the season ticket holder,who strangely,would rather watch a home game from his sofa,on his Samsung hd 49 incher with a dodgy volume control.......Saints fan ! yeah,course you are[/p][/quote]SPEAK UP OSPREY, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU!!! Stop playing games and give us a SCORE UPDATE PLEASE.[/p][/quote]RedAndy, Can you stop quoting in my thread thanx, this one is reserved for those that want to insult me Osprey is in the thread above. Cheers FF Freddie Flowerpot
  • Score: 2

7:59pm Mon 28 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
By the way George in case you hadn't noticed it isn't personal, my wrath is vented against anyone who puts up negative posts against the Saints, particularly those that I consider to be mischievous and disingenuous or are simply incorrect, but my words have never harmed anyone to my knowledge, upset a few I grant you, bored the pants off of many undoubtedly, I try to avoid being abusive and try to research my replies before posting them, I am not infallible, mostly harmless.
Who cares about your supposed wrath?
Stop taking this thread and yourself so seriously and give us a score update why don't you!
Well they haven't kicked off yet as any genuine football fan would know, you probably don't even know what important game is on tonight or how it could affect us.

Just been watching footage of the Brighton and Coventry promotion games, that is what I am missing, the thrill of getting promoted, you just can't match that in the Premier can you?
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: By the way George in case you hadn't noticed it isn't personal, my wrath is vented against anyone who puts up negative posts against the Saints, particularly those that I consider to be mischievous and disingenuous or are simply incorrect, but my words have never harmed anyone to my knowledge, upset a few I grant you, bored the pants off of many undoubtedly, I try to avoid being abusive and try to research my replies before posting them, I am not infallible, mostly harmless.[/p][/quote]Who cares about your supposed wrath? Stop taking this thread and yourself so seriously and give us a score update why don't you![/p][/quote]Well they haven't kicked off yet as any genuine football fan would know, you probably don't even know what important game is on tonight or how it could affect us. Just been watching footage of the Brighton and Coventry promotion games, that is what I am missing, the thrill of getting promoted, you just can't match that in the Premier can you? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

8:00pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Velleity says...

Not insulting you Freddie, just trying to work out if, as you claim, you stopped buying a season ticket in 1985 but now have one that you don't use, as you watch home games on a 42" TV with the sound turned off.

I think that's your story, isn't it? Can you clarify?
Not insulting you Freddie, just trying to work out if, as you claim, you stopped buying a season ticket in 1985 but now have one that you don't use, as you watch home games on a 42" TV with the sound turned off. I think that's your story, isn't it? Can you clarify? Velleity
  • Score: 3

8:07pm Mon 28 Apr 14

arfer phesache says...

Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
SaintSteve76 wrote:
When cortese was our chairman many of the players kept repeatedly saying was how something special was happening at southampton and that they wanted champions league football but only with southampton as that was the vision. Keep this team together with one or two quality additions and a top five position would become a realistic possibility. However, unfortunately since cortese left there doesn't seem to be the same ambition or drive from the club or the players. Not one player has mentioned the possibility of champions league foorball at southampton since cortese left. The vibe coming from the club and the players just doesn't seem to be the same as it was. I hope I'm wrong!
But that was always hot air, to get into the CL the club would need to invest a minimum of £500m in players as Man City, Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal have done over the past decade. Even Liverpool who'll be there next year have spent this much, it's just unattainable unless you can find a Sheik to buy the club.

Our best bet is to compete hard for every Cup we go into, win one and qualify for the EL, genuinely think we missed a massive opportunity this season even being an FA Cup finalist would have got us there, now Arsenal are odds on to get into the CL again.
Hi Freddie!

How's the season ticket going? The one you haven't bought since 2005. No, hang on, the one you've got. No, the one you've got but you watched Saturday's game on TV because that's your right. No, hang on, let's get the story straight now: the season ticket you never bought but you now own and don't use. Is that the truth?

Now, what viewpoint exactly are you trying to ge us to take seriously?
Hi Val
How are you doing?

Are you still 'typing your posts Naked' like last week?

I didn't realise it was that sort of website tbh, but you know, whatever makes you happy

LOL xx
Aaah, good old Freddie,the season ticket holder,who strangely,would rather watch a home game from his sofa,on his Samsung hd 49 incher with a dodgy volume control.......Saints fan ! yeah,course you are
SPEAK UP OSPREY, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!

Stop playing games and give us a SCORE UPDATE PLEASE.
RedAndy,

Can you stop quoting in my thread thanx, this one is reserved for those that want to insult me

Osprey is in the thread above.

Cheers
FF
Stop talking to yerself.....It's weird....
[quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintSteve76[/bold] wrote: When cortese was our chairman many of the players kept repeatedly saying was how something special was happening at southampton and that they wanted champions league football but only with southampton as that was the vision. Keep this team together with one or two quality additions and a top five position would become a realistic possibility. However, unfortunately since cortese left there doesn't seem to be the same ambition or drive from the club or the players. Not one player has mentioned the possibility of champions league foorball at southampton since cortese left. The vibe coming from the club and the players just doesn't seem to be the same as it was. I hope I'm wrong![/p][/quote]But that was always hot air, to get into the CL the club would need to invest a minimum of £500m in players as Man City, Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal have done over the past decade. Even Liverpool who'll be there next year have spent this much, it's just unattainable unless you can find a Sheik to buy the club. Our best bet is to compete hard for every Cup we go into, win one and qualify for the EL, genuinely think we missed a massive opportunity this season even being an FA Cup finalist would have got us there, now Arsenal are odds on to get into the CL again.[/p][/quote]Hi Freddie! How's the season ticket going? The one you haven't bought since 2005. No, hang on, the one you've got. No, the one you've got but you watched Saturday's game on TV because that's your right. No, hang on, let's get the story straight now: the season ticket you never bought but you now own and don't use. Is that the truth? Now, what viewpoint exactly are you trying to ge us to take seriously?[/p][/quote]Hi Val How are you doing? Are you still 'typing your posts Naked' like last week? I didn't realise it was that sort of website tbh, but you know, whatever makes you happy LOL xx[/p][/quote]Aaah, good old Freddie,the season ticket holder,who strangely,would rather watch a home game from his sofa,on his Samsung hd 49 incher with a dodgy volume control.......Saints fan ! yeah,course you are[/p][/quote]SPEAK UP OSPREY, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU!!! Stop playing games and give us a SCORE UPDATE PLEASE.[/p][/quote]RedAndy, Can you stop quoting in my thread thanx, this one is reserved for those that want to insult me Osprey is in the thread above. Cheers FF[/p][/quote]Stop talking to yerself.....It's weird.... arfer phesache
  • Score: 1

8:09pm Mon 28 Apr 14

redandy10 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
By the way George in case you hadn't noticed it isn't personal, my wrath is vented against anyone who puts up negative posts against the Saints, particularly those that I consider to be mischievous and disingenuous or are simply incorrect, but my words have never harmed anyone to my knowledge, upset a few I grant you, bored the pants off of many undoubtedly, I try to avoid being abusive and try to research my replies before posting them, I am not infallible, mostly harmless.
Who cares about your supposed wrath?
Stop taking this thread and yourself so seriously and give us a score update why don't you!
Well they haven't kicked off yet as any genuine football fan would know, you probably don't even know what important game is on tonight or how it could affect us.

Just been watching footage of the Brighton and Coventry promotion games, that is what I am missing, the thrill of getting promoted, you just can't match that in the Premier can you?
SPEAK UP I CAN'T YOU!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: By the way George in case you hadn't noticed it isn't personal, my wrath is vented against anyone who puts up negative posts against the Saints, particularly those that I consider to be mischievous and disingenuous or are simply incorrect, but my words have never harmed anyone to my knowledge, upset a few I grant you, bored the pants off of many undoubtedly, I try to avoid being abusive and try to research my replies before posting them, I am not infallible, mostly harmless.[/p][/quote]Who cares about your supposed wrath? Stop taking this thread and yourself so seriously and give us a score update why don't you![/p][/quote]Well they haven't kicked off yet as any genuine football fan would know, you probably don't even know what important game is on tonight or how it could affect us. Just been watching footage of the Brighton and Coventry promotion games, that is what I am missing, the thrill of getting promoted, you just can't match that in the Premier can you?[/p][/quote]SPEAK UP I CAN'T YOU! redandy10
  • Score: -5

8:09pm Mon 28 Apr 14

redandy10 says...

arfer phesache wrote:
Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
SaintSteve76 wrote:
When cortese was our chairman many of the players kept repeatedly saying was how something special was happening at southampton and that they wanted champions league football but only with southampton as that was the vision. Keep this team together with one or two quality additions and a top five position would become a realistic possibility. However, unfortunately since cortese left there doesn't seem to be the same ambition or drive from the club or the players. Not one player has mentioned the possibility of champions league foorball at southampton since cortese left. The vibe coming from the club and the players just doesn't seem to be the same as it was. I hope I'm wrong!
But that was always hot air, to get into the CL the club would need to invest a minimum of £500m in players as Man City, Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal have done over the past decade. Even Liverpool who'll be there next year have spent this much, it's just unattainable unless you can find a Sheik to buy the club.

Our best bet is to compete hard for every Cup we go into, win one and qualify for the EL, genuinely think we missed a massive opportunity this season even being an FA Cup finalist would have got us there, now Arsenal are odds on to get into the CL again.
Hi Freddie!

How's the season ticket going? The one you haven't bought since 2005. No, hang on, the one you've got. No, the one you've got but you watched Saturday's game on TV because that's your right. No, hang on, let's get the story straight now: the season ticket you never bought but you now own and don't use. Is that the truth?

Now, what viewpoint exactly are you trying to ge us to take seriously?
Hi Val
How are you doing?

Are you still 'typing your posts Naked' like last week?

I didn't realise it was that sort of website tbh, but you know, whatever makes you happy

LOL xx
Aaah, good old Freddie,the season ticket holder,who strangely,would rather watch a home game from his sofa,on his Samsung hd 49 incher with a dodgy volume control.......Saints fan ! yeah,course you are
SPEAK UP OSPREY, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!

Stop playing games and give us a SCORE UPDATE PLEASE.
RedAndy,

Can you stop quoting in my thread thanx, this one is reserved for those that want to insult me

Osprey is in the thread above.

Cheers
FF
Stop talking to yerself.....It's weird....
SPEAK UP WE CAN'T HEAR YOU!
[quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintSteve76[/bold] wrote: When cortese was our chairman many of the players kept repeatedly saying was how something special was happening at southampton and that they wanted champions league football but only with southampton as that was the vision. Keep this team together with one or two quality additions and a top five position would become a realistic possibility. However, unfortunately since cortese left there doesn't seem to be the same ambition or drive from the club or the players. Not one player has mentioned the possibility of champions league foorball at southampton since cortese left. The vibe coming from the club and the players just doesn't seem to be the same as it was. I hope I'm wrong![/p][/quote]But that was always hot air, to get into the CL the club would need to invest a minimum of £500m in players as Man City, Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal have done over the past decade. Even Liverpool who'll be there next year have spent this much, it's just unattainable unless you can find a Sheik to buy the club. Our best bet is to compete hard for every Cup we go into, win one and qualify for the EL, genuinely think we missed a massive opportunity this season even being an FA Cup finalist would have got us there, now Arsenal are odds on to get into the CL again.[/p][/quote]Hi Freddie! How's the season ticket going? The one you haven't bought since 2005. No, hang on, the one you've got. No, the one you've got but you watched Saturday's game on TV because that's your right. No, hang on, let's get the story straight now: the season ticket you never bought but you now own and don't use. Is that the truth? Now, what viewpoint exactly are you trying to ge us to take seriously?[/p][/quote]Hi Val How are you doing? Are you still 'typing your posts Naked' like last week? I didn't realise it was that sort of website tbh, but you know, whatever makes you happy LOL xx[/p][/quote]Aaah, good old Freddie,the season ticket holder,who strangely,would rather watch a home game from his sofa,on his Samsung hd 49 incher with a dodgy volume control.......Saints fan ! yeah,course you are[/p][/quote]SPEAK UP OSPREY, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU!!! Stop playing games and give us a SCORE UPDATE PLEASE.[/p][/quote]RedAndy, Can you stop quoting in my thread thanx, this one is reserved for those that want to insult me Osprey is in the thread above. Cheers FF[/p][/quote]Stop talking to yerself.....It's weird....[/p][/quote]SPEAK UP WE CAN'T HEAR YOU! redandy10
  • Score: -3

8:10pm Mon 28 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

10 minutes gone and it is still 0 0.
10 minutes gone and it is still 0 0. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

8:14pm Mon 28 Apr 14

arfer phesache says...

redandy10 wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
SaintSteve76 wrote:
When cortese was our chairman many of the players kept repeatedly saying was how something special was happening at southampton and that they wanted champions league football but only with southampton as that was the vision. Keep this team together with one or two quality additions and a top five position would become a realistic possibility. However, unfortunately since cortese left there doesn't seem to be the same ambition or drive from the club or the players. Not one player has mentioned the possibility of champions league foorball at southampton since cortese left. The vibe coming from the club and the players just doesn't seem to be the same as it was. I hope I'm wrong!
But that was always hot air, to get into the CL the club would need to invest a minimum of £500m in players as Man City, Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal have done over the past decade. Even Liverpool who'll be there next year have spent this much, it's just unattainable unless you can find a Sheik to buy the club.

Our best bet is to compete hard for every Cup we go into, win one and qualify for the EL, genuinely think we missed a massive opportunity this season even being an FA Cup finalist would have got us there, now Arsenal are odds on to get into the CL again.
Hi Freddie!

How's the season ticket going? The one you haven't bought since 2005. No, hang on, the one you've got. No, the one you've got but you watched Saturday's game on TV because that's your right. No, hang on, let's get the story straight now: the season ticket you never bought but you now own and don't use. Is that the truth?

Now, what viewpoint exactly are you trying to ge us to take seriously?
Hi Val
How are you doing?

Are you still 'typing your posts Naked' like last week?

I didn't realise it was that sort of website tbh, but you know, whatever makes you happy

LOL xx
Aaah, good old Freddie,the season ticket holder,who strangely,would rather watch a home game from his sofa,on his Samsung hd 49 incher with a dodgy volume control.......Saints fan ! yeah,course you are
SPEAK UP OSPREY, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!

Stop playing games and give us a SCORE UPDATE PLEASE.
RedAndy,

Can you stop quoting in my thread thanx, this one is reserved for those that want to insult me

Osprey is in the thread above.

Cheers
FF
Stop talking to yerself.....It's weird....
SPEAK UP WE CAN'T HEAR YOU!
Awright Ginge, you going to the Ma U game then? eh !
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintSteve76[/bold] wrote: When cortese was our chairman many of the players kept repeatedly saying was how something special was happening at southampton and that they wanted champions league football but only with southampton as that was the vision. Keep this team together with one or two quality additions and a top five position would become a realistic possibility. However, unfortunately since cortese left there doesn't seem to be the same ambition or drive from the club or the players. Not one player has mentioned the possibility of champions league foorball at southampton since cortese left. The vibe coming from the club and the players just doesn't seem to be the same as it was. I hope I'm wrong![/p][/quote]But that was always hot air, to get into the CL the club would need to invest a minimum of £500m in players as Man City, Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal have done over the past decade. Even Liverpool who'll be there next year have spent this much, it's just unattainable unless you can find a Sheik to buy the club. Our best bet is to compete hard for every Cup we go into, win one and qualify for the EL, genuinely think we missed a massive opportunity this season even being an FA Cup finalist would have got us there, now Arsenal are odds on to get into the CL again.[/p][/quote]Hi Freddie! How's the season ticket going? The one you haven't bought since 2005. No, hang on, the one you've got. No, the one you've got but you watched Saturday's game on TV because that's your right. No, hang on, let's get the story straight now: the season ticket you never bought but you now own and don't use. Is that the truth? Now, what viewpoint exactly are you trying to ge us to take seriously?[/p][/quote]Hi Val How are you doing? Are you still 'typing your posts Naked' like last week? I didn't realise it was that sort of website tbh, but you know, whatever makes you happy LOL xx[/p][/quote]Aaah, good old Freddie,the season ticket holder,who strangely,would rather watch a home game from his sofa,on his Samsung hd 49 incher with a dodgy volume control.......Saints fan ! yeah,course you are[/p][/quote]SPEAK UP OSPREY, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU!!! Stop playing games and give us a SCORE UPDATE PLEASE.[/p][/quote]RedAndy, Can you stop quoting in my thread thanx, this one is reserved for those that want to insult me Osprey is in the thread above. Cheers FF[/p][/quote]Stop talking to yerself.....It's weird....[/p][/quote]SPEAK UP WE CAN'T HEAR YOU![/p][/quote]Awright Ginge, you going to the Ma U game then? eh ! arfer phesache
  • Score: 0

8:20pm Mon 28 Apr 14

redandy10 says...

arfer phesache wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
SaintSteve76 wrote:
When cortese was our chairman many of the players kept repeatedly saying was how something special was happening at southampton and that they wanted champions league football but only with southampton as that was the vision. Keep this team together with one or two quality additions and a top five position would become a realistic possibility. However, unfortunately since cortese left there doesn't seem to be the same ambition or drive from the club or the players. Not one player has mentioned the possibility of champions league foorball at southampton since cortese left. The vibe coming from the club and the players just doesn't seem to be the same as it was. I hope I'm wrong!
But that was always hot air, to get into the CL the club would need to invest a minimum of £500m in players as Man City, Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal have done over the past decade. Even Liverpool who'll be there next year have spent this much, it's just unattainable unless you can find a Sheik to buy the club.

Our best bet is to compete hard for every Cup we go into, win one and qualify for the EL, genuinely think we missed a massive opportunity this season even being an FA Cup finalist would have got us there, now Arsenal are odds on to get into the CL again.
Hi Freddie!

How's the season ticket going? The one you haven't bought since 2005. No, hang on, the one you've got. No, the one you've got but you watched Saturday's game on TV because that's your right. No, hang on, let's get the story straight now: the season ticket you never bought but you now own and don't use. Is that the truth?

Now, what viewpoint exactly are you trying to ge us to take seriously?
Hi Val
How are you doing?

Are you still 'typing your posts Naked' like last week?

I didn't realise it was that sort of website tbh, but you know, whatever makes you happy

LOL xx
Aaah, good old Freddie,the season ticket holder,who strangely,would rather watch a home game from his sofa,on his Samsung hd 49 incher with a dodgy volume control.......Saints fan ! yeah,course you are
SPEAK UP OSPREY, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!

Stop playing games and give us a SCORE UPDATE PLEASE.
RedAndy,

Can you stop quoting in my thread thanx, this one is reserved for those that want to insult me

Osprey is in the thread above.

Cheers
FF
Stop talking to yerself.....It's weird....
SPEAK UP WE CAN'T HEAR YOU!
Awright Ginge, you going to the Ma U game then? eh !
SPEAK UP, GINGE CAN'T HEAR YOU!
[quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintSteve76[/bold] wrote: When cortese was our chairman many of the players kept repeatedly saying was how something special was happening at southampton and that they wanted champions league football but only with southampton as that was the vision. Keep this team together with one or two quality additions and a top five position would become a realistic possibility. However, unfortunately since cortese left there doesn't seem to be the same ambition or drive from the club or the players. Not one player has mentioned the possibility of champions league foorball at southampton since cortese left. The vibe coming from the club and the players just doesn't seem to be the same as it was. I hope I'm wrong![/p][/quote]But that was always hot air, to get into the CL the club would need to invest a minimum of £500m in players as Man City, Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal have done over the past decade. Even Liverpool who'll be there next year have spent this much, it's just unattainable unless you can find a Sheik to buy the club. Our best bet is to compete hard for every Cup we go into, win one and qualify for the EL, genuinely think we missed a massive opportunity this season even being an FA Cup finalist would have got us there, now Arsenal are odds on to get into the CL again.[/p][/quote]Hi Freddie! How's the season ticket going? The one you haven't bought since 2005. No, hang on, the one you've got. No, the one you've got but you watched Saturday's game on TV because that's your right. No, hang on, let's get the story straight now: the season ticket you never bought but you now own and don't use. Is that the truth? Now, what viewpoint exactly are you trying to ge us to take seriously?[/p][/quote]Hi Val How are you doing? Are you still 'typing your posts Naked' like last week? I didn't realise it was that sort of website tbh, but you know, whatever makes you happy LOL xx[/p][/quote]Aaah, good old Freddie,the season ticket holder,who strangely,would rather watch a home game from his sofa,on his Samsung hd 49 incher with a dodgy volume control.......Saints fan ! yeah,course you are[/p][/quote]SPEAK UP OSPREY, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU!!! Stop playing games and give us a SCORE UPDATE PLEASE.[/p][/quote]RedAndy, Can you stop quoting in my thread thanx, this one is reserved for those that want to insult me Osprey is in the thread above. Cheers FF[/p][/quote]Stop talking to yerself.....It's weird....[/p][/quote]SPEAK UP WE CAN'T HEAR YOU![/p][/quote]Awright Ginge, you going to the Ma U game then? eh ![/p][/quote]SPEAK UP, GINGE CAN'T HEAR YOU! redandy10
  • Score: -4

8:23pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Freddie Flowerpot says...

Velleity wrote:
Not insulting you Freddie, just trying to work out if, as you claim, you stopped buying a season ticket in 1985 but now have one that you don't use, as you watch home games on a 42" TV with the sound turned off.

I think that's your story, isn't it? Can you clarify?
You're obsessed Val, but to clarify, just to satisfy you.

It was 1965 I stopped being a ST holder

It's an 18" Black and White portable, with Ceefax so instant score updates.

Happy now?


xx
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: Not insulting you Freddie, just trying to work out if, as you claim, you stopped buying a season ticket in 1985 but now have one that you don't use, as you watch home games on a 42" TV with the sound turned off. I think that's your story, isn't it? Can you clarify?[/p][/quote]You're obsessed Val, but to clarify, just to satisfy you. It was 1965 I stopped being a ST holder It's an 18" Black and White portable, with Ceefax so instant score updates. Happy now? xx Freddie Flowerpot
  • Score: -3

8:25pm Mon 28 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Home side are 1 up which is good for us.
Home side are 1 up which is good for us. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

8:28pm Mon 28 Apr 14

redandy10 says...

Looks like Keith and Orville the duck have been put in their place. GINGE IS OFF OUT FOR A PINT! NIGHTY NIGHT!
Looks like Keith and Orville the duck have been put in their place. GINGE IS OFF OUT FOR A PINT! NIGHTY NIGHT! redandy10
  • Score: -3

8:30pm Mon 28 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Not insulting you Freddie, just trying to work out if, as you claim, you stopped buying a season ticket in 1985 but now have one that you don't use, as you watch home games on a 42" TV with the sound turned off.

I think that's your story, isn't it? Can you clarify?
You're obsessed Val, but to clarify, just to satisfy you.

It was 1965 I stopped being a ST holder

It's an 18" Black and White portable, with Ceefax so instant score updates.

Happy now?


xx
Please sell the new TV and come back in to the fold. All are welcome.
[quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: Not insulting you Freddie, just trying to work out if, as you claim, you stopped buying a season ticket in 1985 but now have one that you don't use, as you watch home games on a 42" TV with the sound turned off. I think that's your story, isn't it? Can you clarify?[/p][/quote]You're obsessed Val, but to clarify, just to satisfy you. It was 1965 I stopped being a ST holder It's an 18" Black and White portable, with Ceefax so instant score updates. Happy now? xx[/p][/quote]Please sell the new TV and come back in to the fold. All are welcome. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

8:31pm Mon 28 Apr 14

george chivers says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
george chivers wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
george chivers wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Littleton-Saint wrote:
Our great club is bigger than its directors, players and manager. We will carry on regardless. If Lallana, Shaw and Spider are open to leaving, then they
need to consider that any move might mean less football in the first team with all the attendant frustration that that will bring. They are better off as Saints players if they really enjoy playing regular, first-team football. If they need an example of how leaving Saints can end a career prematurely, then consider Wayne Bridge!
I've never heard Wayne Bridge complaining about the compensation package he got with Chelsea and City. If it were me I would take the money every time.
Yes, I would believe that of you, you come across as someone whose loyalty could be bought off, rather than earned and maintained? Wayne may have made a few bob out of it, but the disruption that it all caused him must have been diificult to take, he may still be regretting the decision but probably wouldn't say so.
You seem to have a little thing about me Osprey. Care to explain why? I have supported/followed Saints since I was 12 which is 54 years and I was taken to my first game when I was 3 and a half. I haven't ever changed my allegiance.

In my working life up to age of 31 I swapped about to gain experience and increase my income and then I stuck for 20 years with a good company where I progressed to senior management and was paid well. And then I was made redundant. What is wrong with that? Nothing in my book.

Footballers have a narrow window of opportunity to make their money between the ages 18 and say 34 if they manage to avoid serious injury. Personally I would rather have the money and some security in later life than handshakes from fans in the street saying I was a good loyal servant to the club when I was skint after a couple of relationship break ups. You only have one shot in football it is a short career.

What is wrong with that?

If you don't take care of yourself nobody else is going to do it for you. There is no room for sentimentality. Fans stick with their teams. Players are guns for hire.
big, no huge difference is George that even now luke is probably earning more a week than you did in a year, the fact that he also has a five year contract to fall back on means that in the period of his contract he will earn a small fortune. even if he is earning just £30k a year, might be more might be less but its as good a figure as any, he would earn £1.56mill a year or £7.8mill over the five years. if he were to be injured next week and god forbid it was a career ending injury he would still be entitled to the remainder of his contract. so at the age of just 23 he would be worth £7.8mill from wages alone, then add any bonuses and endorsements and it could total more than £10mill. if you think that's not enough money for anyone to live on for the rest of their lives then please let us know.
players earn a fortune nowadays and even an average prem player is set for life after a season or two.
gone are the days that footballers have to consider another career after they finish playing, we wont see the likes of luke buying/running pubs like Peter Rodrigues did, he now works as a driver and his FA cup winning medal was brought by SFC in an auction in 2004 for £10,200.
I get your point but if you think a player has to move clubs to secure his financial future you are quite wrong, if a player does move for money then they are showing their real greed. a lot of players, who are financially secure, would rather go to a club, or stay at a club, where they are guaranteed to play first team football week in week out. that's what saints can offer luke and lalla, they know they are going to play in the prem every week and earn enough to set them up for life, and I for one would rather play regular first team football in the prem with £10mill in the bank than sit on a bench and only play half the games and have £30mill in the bank. that's where we differ.
Your points are good. But in general I think players are greedy and they are influenced by greedy agents and other top players they meet when they play for England. And sadly we can't offer Champions league football and in my view is and I know this will not be popular on here, we never will, unless somebody buys us who is seriously very rich, not seriously half very rich. And is prepared to make us a rich person's hobby.

As much as I want us to win every game I am a realist and I am not sentimental. Chelsea, Man City and Man U. hold the whip hand. Even if Liverpool win the PL this year I don't think they will repeat that success for a long time because their team will gradually be sold off. Such is football. Sadly. Money Rules.
George how much money do you think someone has to have to be seriously very rich? KL is richer than most prem owners with only mancy and chelski beating her outright. arsenil combined ownership beats her but she is richer than their majority shareholder. KL has a net worth in excess of £3bill+, that to me is seriously very rich. ok mancys owners are worth £20bill and roman is worth £10bill but £3bill+ must be considered very rich in anyone`s book. and you don't find these type of people everday, ask poor old poopey!
I don't want her to do a mancy or chelski though, I would rather we grow the club over a few years, with a fair bit of input but not to the extent that we lose the soul of the club.
despite what the flowerhead says we haven't been outspent by Liverpool in the last 2 seasons by that much (net spend) liverpools net spend for 2012/14 is around £69.8mill whilst ours is £68.4mill. that's not a big difference when you consider our league positions.
it will take another season or 2 of £30-£40mill spending, provided we keep the majority of our current squad, for saints to have a squad that could compete for a top 4/6 place. KL and her father have invested a lot of money in the club and I wouldn't think she would want to see the value of the club drop drastically with the sale of the best players, she seems to be enjoying the games and has a good business head on her coupled with some excellent appointments to the board. we don't want £100mill+ spends in the market, it would destroy the name of the club and we would go from being everyone`s favourite second team to just another big spender.
patience is a virtue and we had to be patient getting back to the prem from when we were relegated, just a little bit more patience and we could see something very special happen to our little old club!

as for your comment to ospers about your comments being realistic, well they might be realistic from your standpoint but I would say mine were too, and so would ospers. difference is you try to read between the lines and turn opinion into fact whilst I read what the players, manager and club say on face value and will only post their comments as the truth or `realistically`. opinion and realism are quite a different thing.
Man City And Chelsea are seriously rich we are not in their class, or Arsenal's class. it's not just a question of reading between the lines its a question of understanding that statements made by directors of football clubs are political statements made by corporate politicians. Most of them are inexplicit and give the people who make them the chance to withdraw from them. Our board is no different. There is risk we hear what we want to hear and not what they actually mean.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote: Our great club is bigger than its directors, players and manager. We will carry on regardless. If Lallana, Shaw and Spider are open to leaving, then they need to consider that any move might mean less football in the first team with all the attendant frustration that that will bring. They are better off as Saints players if they really enjoy playing regular, first-team football. If they need an example of how leaving Saints can end a career prematurely, then consider Wayne Bridge![/p][/quote]I've never heard Wayne Bridge complaining about the compensation package he got with Chelsea and City. If it were me I would take the money every time.[/p][/quote]Yes, I would believe that of you, you come across as someone whose loyalty could be bought off, rather than earned and maintained? Wayne may have made a few bob out of it, but the disruption that it all caused him must have been diificult to take, he may still be regretting the decision but probably wouldn't say so.[/p][/quote]You seem to have a little thing about me Osprey. Care to explain why? I have supported/followed Saints since I was 12 which is 54 years and I was taken to my first game when I was 3 and a half. I haven't ever changed my allegiance. In my working life up to age of 31 I swapped about to gain experience and increase my income and then I stuck for 20 years with a good company where I progressed to senior management and was paid well. And then I was made redundant. What is wrong with that? Nothing in my book. Footballers have a narrow window of opportunity to make their money between the ages 18 and say 34 if they manage to avoid serious injury. Personally I would rather have the money and some security in later life than handshakes from fans in the street saying I was a good loyal servant to the club when I was skint after a couple of relationship break ups. You only have one shot in football it is a short career. What is wrong with that? If you don't take care of yourself nobody else is going to do it for you. There is no room for sentimentality. Fans stick with their teams. Players are guns for hire.[/p][/quote]big, no huge difference is George that even now luke is probably earning more a week than you did in a year, the fact that he also has a five year contract to fall back on means that in the period of his contract he will earn a small fortune. even if he is earning just £30k a year, might be more might be less but its as good a figure as any, he would earn £1.56mill a year or £7.8mill over the five years. if he were to be injured next week and god forbid it was a career ending injury he would still be entitled to the remainder of his contract. so at the age of just 23 he would be worth £7.8mill from wages alone, then add any bonuses and endorsements and it could total more than £10mill. if you think that's not enough money for anyone to live on for the rest of their lives then please let us know. players earn a fortune nowadays and even an average prem player is set for life after a season or two. gone are the days that footballers have to consider another career after they finish playing, we wont see the likes of luke buying/running pubs like Peter Rodrigues did, he now works as a driver and his FA cup winning medal was brought by SFC in an auction in 2004 for £10,200. I get your point but if you think a player has to move clubs to secure his financial future you are quite wrong, if a player does move for money then they are showing their real greed. a lot of players, who are financially secure, would rather go to a club, or stay at a club, where they are guaranteed to play first team football week in week out. that's what saints can offer luke and lalla, they know they are going to play in the prem every week and earn enough to set them up for life, and I for one would rather play regular first team football in the prem with £10mill in the bank than sit on a bench and only play half the games and have £30mill in the bank. that's where we differ.[/p][/quote]Your points are good. But in general I think players are greedy and they are influenced by greedy agents and other top players they meet when they play for England. And sadly we can't offer Champions league football and in my view is and I know this will not be popular on here, we never will, unless somebody buys us who is seriously very rich, not seriously half very rich. And is prepared to make us a rich person's hobby. As much as I want us to win every game I am a realist and I am not sentimental. Chelsea, Man City and Man U. hold the whip hand. Even if Liverpool win the PL this year I don't think they will repeat that success for a long time because their team will gradually be sold off. Such is football. Sadly. Money Rules.[/p][/quote]George how much money do you think someone has to have to be seriously very rich? KL is richer than most prem owners with only mancy and chelski beating her outright. arsenil combined ownership beats her but she is richer than their majority shareholder. KL has a net worth in excess of £3bill+, that to me is seriously very rich. ok mancys owners are worth £20bill and roman is worth £10bill but £3bill+ must be considered very rich in anyone`s book. and you don't find these type of people everday, ask poor old poopey! I don't want her to do a mancy or chelski though, I would rather we grow the club over a few years, with a fair bit of input but not to the extent that we lose the soul of the club. despite what the flowerhead says we haven't been outspent by Liverpool in the last 2 seasons by that much (net spend) liverpools net spend for 2012/14 is around £69.8mill whilst ours is £68.4mill. that's not a big difference when you consider our league positions. it will take another season or 2 of £30-£40mill spending, provided we keep the majority of our current squad, for saints to have a squad that could compete for a top 4/6 place. KL and her father have invested a lot of money in the club and I wouldn't think she would want to see the value of the club drop drastically with the sale of the best players, she seems to be enjoying the games and has a good business head on her coupled with some excellent appointments to the board. we don't want £100mill+ spends in the market, it would destroy the name of the club and we would go from being everyone`s favourite second team to just another big spender. patience is a virtue and we had to be patient getting back to the prem from when we were relegated, just a little bit more patience and we could see something very special happen to our little old club! as for your comment to ospers about your comments being realistic, well they might be realistic from your standpoint but I would say mine were too, and so would ospers. difference is you try to read between the lines and turn opinion into fact whilst I read what the players, manager and club say on face value and will only post their comments as the truth or `realistically`. opinion and realism are quite a different thing.[/p][/quote]Man City And Chelsea are seriously rich we are not in their class, or Arsenal's class. it's not just a question of reading between the lines its a question of understanding that statements made by directors of football clubs are political statements made by corporate politicians. Most of them are inexplicit and give the people who make them the chance to withdraw from them. Our board is no different. There is risk we hear what we want to hear and not what they actually mean. george chivers
  • Score: 0

8:31pm Mon 28 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

redandy10 wrote:
Looks like Keith and Orville the duck have been put in their place. GINGE IS OFF OUT FOR A PINT! NIGHTY NIGHT!
What is your local? Might pop down and buy you one as long as it isn't the wrong end of the M27.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: Looks like Keith and Orville the duck have been put in their place. GINGE IS OFF OUT FOR A PINT! NIGHTY NIGHT![/p][/quote]What is your local? Might pop down and buy you one as long as it isn't the wrong end of the M27. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

8:38pm Mon 28 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

george chivers wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
george chivers wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
george chivers wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Littleton-Saint wrote:
Our great club is bigger than its directors, players and manager. We will carry on regardless. If Lallana, Shaw and Spider are open to leaving, then they
need to consider that any move might mean less football in the first team with all the attendant frustration that that will bring. They are better off as Saints players if they really enjoy playing regular, first-team football. If they need an example of how leaving Saints can end a career prematurely, then consider Wayne Bridge!
I've never heard Wayne Bridge complaining about the compensation package he got with Chelsea and City. If it were me I would take the money every time.
Yes, I would believe that of you, you come across as someone whose loyalty could be bought off, rather than earned and maintained? Wayne may have made a few bob out of it, but the disruption that it all caused him must have been diificult to take, he may still be regretting the decision but probably wouldn't say so.
You seem to have a little thing about me Osprey. Care to explain why? I have supported/followed Saints since I was 12 which is 54 years and I was taken to my first game when I was 3 and a half. I haven't ever changed my allegiance.

In my working life up to age of 31 I swapped about to gain experience and increase my income and then I stuck for 20 years with a good company where I progressed to senior management and was paid well. And then I was made redundant. What is wrong with that? Nothing in my book.

Footballers have a narrow window of opportunity to make their money between the ages 18 and say 34 if they manage to avoid serious injury. Personally I would rather have the money and some security in later life than handshakes from fans in the street saying I was a good loyal servant to the club when I was skint after a couple of relationship break ups. You only have one shot in football it is a short career.

What is wrong with that?

If you don't take care of yourself nobody else is going to do it for you. There is no room for sentimentality. Fans stick with their teams. Players are guns for hire.
big, no huge difference is George that even now luke is probably earning more a week than you did in a year, the fact that he also has a five year contract to fall back on means that in the period of his contract he will earn a small fortune. even if he is earning just £30k a year, might be more might be less but its as good a figure as any, he would earn £1.56mill a year or £7.8mill over the five years. if he were to be injured next week and god forbid it was a career ending injury he would still be entitled to the remainder of his contract. so at the age of just 23 he would be worth £7.8mill from wages alone, then add any bonuses and endorsements and it could total more than £10mill. if you think that's not enough money for anyone to live on for the rest of their lives then please let us know.
players earn a fortune nowadays and even an average prem player is set for life after a season or two.
gone are the days that footballers have to consider another career after they finish playing, we wont see the likes of luke buying/running pubs like Peter Rodrigues did, he now works as a driver and his FA cup winning medal was brought by SFC in an auction in 2004 for £10,200.
I get your point but if you think a player has to move clubs to secure his financial future you are quite wrong, if a player does move for money then they are showing their real greed. a lot of players, who are financially secure, would rather go to a club, or stay at a club, where they are guaranteed to play first team football week in week out. that's what saints can offer luke and lalla, they know they are going to play in the prem every week and earn enough to set them up for life, and I for one would rather play regular first team football in the prem with £10mill in the bank than sit on a bench and only play half the games and have £30mill in the bank. that's where we differ.
Your points are good. But in general I think players are greedy and they are influenced by greedy agents and other top players they meet when they play for England. And sadly we can't offer Champions league football and in my view is and I know this will not be popular on here, we never will, unless somebody buys us who is seriously very rich, not seriously half very rich. And is prepared to make us a rich person's hobby.

As much as I want us to win every game I am a realist and I am not sentimental. Chelsea, Man City and Man U. hold the whip hand. Even if Liverpool win the PL this year I don't think they will repeat that success for a long time because their team will gradually be sold off. Such is football. Sadly. Money Rules.
George how much money do you think someone has to have to be seriously very rich? KL is richer than most prem owners with only mancy and chelski beating her outright. arsenil combined ownership beats her but she is richer than their majority shareholder. KL has a net worth in excess of £3bill+, that to me is seriously very rich. ok mancys owners are worth £20bill and roman is worth £10bill but £3bill+ must be considered very rich in anyone`s book. and you don't find these type of people everday, ask poor old poopey!
I don't want her to do a mancy or chelski though, I would rather we grow the club over a few years, with a fair bit of input but not to the extent that we lose the soul of the club.
despite what the flowerhead says we haven't been outspent by Liverpool in the last 2 seasons by that much (net spend) liverpools net spend for 2012/14 is around £69.8mill whilst ours is £68.4mill. that's not a big difference when you consider our league positions.
it will take another season or 2 of £30-£40mill spending, provided we keep the majority of our current squad, for saints to have a squad that could compete for a top 4/6 place. KL and her father have invested a lot of money in the club and I wouldn't think she would want to see the value of the club drop drastically with the sale of the best players, she seems to be enjoying the games and has a good business head on her coupled with some excellent appointments to the board. we don't want £100mill+ spends in the market, it would destroy the name of the club and we would go from being everyone`s favourite second team to just another big spender.
patience is a virtue and we had to be patient getting back to the prem from when we were relegated, just a little bit more patience and we could see something very special happen to our little old club!

as for your comment to ospers about your comments being realistic, well they might be realistic from your standpoint but I would say mine were too, and so would ospers. difference is you try to read between the lines and turn opinion into fact whilst I read what the players, manager and club say on face value and will only post their comments as the truth or `realistically`. opinion and realism are quite a different thing.
Man City And Chelsea are seriously rich we are not in their class, or Arsenal's class. it's not just a question of reading between the lines its a question of understanding that statements made by directors of football clubs are political statements made by corporate politicians. Most of them are inexplicit and give the people who make them the chance to withdraw from them. Our board is no different. There is risk we hear what we want to hear and not what they actually mean.
That may be true today, I know, but how would you feel if we rose that little bit more and matched them, unlikely of course but why not dream the impossible dream? They weren't always the big cheeses, it has taken a lot to get them where they are today, and Manures little hiccup shows that they are not imune to a setback or two. If one of those major moneybags gets bored there is no reason why they couldn't walk away and leave a big team stranded.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote: Our great club is bigger than its directors, players and manager. We will carry on regardless. If Lallana, Shaw and Spider are open to leaving, then they need to consider that any move might mean less football in the first team with all the attendant frustration that that will bring. They are better off as Saints players if they really enjoy playing regular, first-team football. If they need an example of how leaving Saints can end a career prematurely, then consider Wayne Bridge![/p][/quote]I've never heard Wayne Bridge complaining about the compensation package he got with Chelsea and City. If it were me I would take the money every time.[/p][/quote]Yes, I would believe that of you, you come across as someone whose loyalty could be bought off, rather than earned and maintained? Wayne may have made a few bob out of it, but the disruption that it all caused him must have been diificult to take, he may still be regretting the decision but probably wouldn't say so.[/p][/quote]You seem to have a little thing about me Osprey. Care to explain why? I have supported/followed Saints since I was 12 which is 54 years and I was taken to my first game when I was 3 and a half. I haven't ever changed my allegiance. In my working life up to age of 31 I swapped about to gain experience and increase my income and then I stuck for 20 years with a good company where I progressed to senior management and was paid well. And then I was made redundant. What is wrong with that? Nothing in my book. Footballers have a narrow window of opportunity to make their money between the ages 18 and say 34 if they manage to avoid serious injury. Personally I would rather have the money and some security in later life than handshakes from fans in the street saying I was a good loyal servant to the club when I was skint after a couple of relationship break ups. You only have one shot in football it is a short career. What is wrong with that? If you don't take care of yourself nobody else is going to do it for you. There is no room for sentimentality. Fans stick with their teams. Players are guns for hire.[/p][/quote]big, no huge difference is George that even now luke is probably earning more a week than you did in a year, the fact that he also has a five year contract to fall back on means that in the period of his contract he will earn a small fortune. even if he is earning just £30k a year, might be more might be less but its as good a figure as any, he would earn £1.56mill a year or £7.8mill over the five years. if he were to be injured next week and god forbid it was a career ending injury he would still be entitled to the remainder of his contract. so at the age of just 23 he would be worth £7.8mill from wages alone, then add any bonuses and endorsements and it could total more than £10mill. if you think that's not enough money for anyone to live on for the rest of their lives then please let us know. players earn a fortune nowadays and even an average prem player is set for life after a season or two. gone are the days that footballers have to consider another career after they finish playing, we wont see the likes of luke buying/running pubs like Peter Rodrigues did, he now works as a driver and his FA cup winning medal was brought by SFC in an auction in 2004 for £10,200. I get your point but if you think a player has to move clubs to secure his financial future you are quite wrong, if a player does move for money then they are showing their real greed. a lot of players, who are financially secure, would rather go to a club, or stay at a club, where they are guaranteed to play first team football week in week out. that's what saints can offer luke and lalla, they know they are going to play in the prem every week and earn enough to set them up for life, and I for one would rather play regular first team football in the prem with £10mill in the bank than sit on a bench and only play half the games and have £30mill in the bank. that's where we differ.[/p][/quote]Your points are good. But in general I think players are greedy and they are influenced by greedy agents and other top players they meet when they play for England. And sadly we can't offer Champions league football and in my view is and I know this will not be popular on here, we never will, unless somebody buys us who is seriously very rich, not seriously half very rich. And is prepared to make us a rich person's hobby. As much as I want us to win every game I am a realist and I am not sentimental. Chelsea, Man City and Man U. hold the whip hand. Even if Liverpool win the PL this year I don't think they will repeat that success for a long time because their team will gradually be sold off. Such is football. Sadly. Money Rules.[/p][/quote]George how much money do you think someone has to have to be seriously very rich? KL is richer than most prem owners with only mancy and chelski beating her outright. arsenil combined ownership beats her but she is richer than their majority shareholder. KL has a net worth in excess of £3bill+, that to me is seriously very rich. ok mancys owners are worth £20bill and roman is worth £10bill but £3bill+ must be considered very rich in anyone`s book. and you don't find these type of people everday, ask poor old poopey! I don't want her to do a mancy or chelski though, I would rather we grow the club over a few years, with a fair bit of input but not to the extent that we lose the soul of the club. despite what the flowerhead says we haven't been outspent by Liverpool in the last 2 seasons by that much (net spend) liverpools net spend for 2012/14 is around £69.8mill whilst ours is £68.4mill. that's not a big difference when you consider our league positions. it will take another season or 2 of £30-£40mill spending, provided we keep the majority of our current squad, for saints to have a squad that could compete for a top 4/6 place. KL and her father have invested a lot of money in the club and I wouldn't think she would want to see the value of the club drop drastically with the sale of the best players, she seems to be enjoying the games and has a good business head on her coupled with some excellent appointments to the board. we don't want £100mill+ spends in the market, it would destroy the name of the club and we would go from being everyone`s favourite second team to just another big spender. patience is a virtue and we had to be patient getting back to the prem from when we were relegated, just a little bit more patience and we could see something very special happen to our little old club! as for your comment to ospers about your comments being realistic, well they might be realistic from your standpoint but I would say mine were too, and so would ospers. difference is you try to read between the lines and turn opinion into fact whilst I read what the players, manager and club say on face value and will only post their comments as the truth or `realistically`. opinion and realism are quite a different thing.[/p][/quote]Man City And Chelsea are seriously rich we are not in their class, or Arsenal's class. it's not just a question of reading between the lines its a question of understanding that statements made by directors of football clubs are political statements made by corporate politicians. Most of them are inexplicit and give the people who make them the chance to withdraw from them. Our board is no different. There is risk we hear what we want to hear and not what they actually mean.[/p][/quote]That may be true today, I know, but how would you feel if we rose that little bit more and matched them, unlikely of course but why not dream the impossible dream? They weren't always the big cheeses, it has taken a lot to get them where they are today, and Manures little hiccup shows that they are not imune to a setback or two. If one of those major moneybags gets bored there is no reason why they couldn't walk away and leave a big team stranded. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

8:47pm Mon 28 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Home side 2 up, looking good for our 8th position.
Home side 2 up, looking good for our 8th position. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

8:48pm Mon 28 Apr 14

miltonnroad76 says...

Hope Im right i cant see any of our big stars leaving if MP stays ..whats the lure of man utd now...every dynasty ends and theirs has now nothing goes on forever..i rememeber the days of Leeds and liverpool and even man city to a lesser degree...really cant see adam going hes a fan as well as a player and will be an england regular and if man utd dont buy a completly new team Saints will be better than them if were not not already...but we have to buy a few too or it will be difficult to break the top 6. Im only concerned is that it chambers of clyne and thats a hard call....wonder if Chambers fancys trying his luck as a striker he did start off in midfield...
Just loving the fact that i can point out this is "our best season position and highest points total" to shut up other fans i meet overseas who dont get it yet.......Oh and yes on astro sport some alleged expert said "that was the worst everton have played all season" i was expecting praise for saints but should know better than that....and the other halfwit said "Roys found out today Lambert is not just a target man" !!!!!! Hes getting paid for THAT opinion something that Roy knew before that nameless nobody only just realised the number 7 is also a clue numbskull. Anyway happy days havent ever enjoyed a season like this since i had hair!!!
Hope Im right i cant see any of our big stars leaving if MP stays ..whats the lure of man utd now...every dynasty ends and theirs has now nothing goes on forever..i rememeber the days of Leeds and liverpool and even man city to a lesser degree...really cant see adam going hes a fan as well as a player and will be an england regular and if man utd dont buy a completly new team Saints will be better than them if were not not already...but we have to buy a few too or it will be difficult to break the top 6. Im only concerned is that it chambers of clyne and thats a hard call....wonder if Chambers fancys trying his luck as a striker he did start off in midfield... Just loving the fact that i can point out this is "our best season position and highest points total" to shut up other fans i meet overseas who dont get it yet.......Oh and yes on astro sport some alleged expert said "that was the worst everton have played all season" i was expecting praise for saints but should know better than that....and the other halfwit said "Roys found out today Lambert is not just a target man" !!!!!! Hes getting paid for THAT opinion something that Roy knew before that nameless nobody only just realised the number 7 is also a clue numbskull. Anyway happy days havent ever enjoyed a season like this since i had hair!!! miltonnroad76
  • Score: 0

8:49pm Mon 28 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

2 0 ht Koscielny and Ozil.
2 0 ht Koscielny and Ozil. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

8:50pm Mon 28 Apr 14

arfer phesache says...

redandy10 wrote:
Looks like Keith and Orville the duck have been put in their place. GINGE IS OFF OUT FOR A PINT! NIGHTY NIGHT!
You off to "The Union" for a couple then Ginge !
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: Looks like Keith and Orville the duck have been put in their place. GINGE IS OFF OUT FOR A PINT! NIGHTY NIGHT![/p][/quote]You off to "The Union" for a couple then Ginge ! arfer phesache
  • Score: 1

9:00pm Mon 28 Apr 14

miltonnroad76 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
2 0 ht Koscielny and Ozil.
Well thats 7th confirmed if ****nal win wed need to let in a lot and newc what have to score a lot and i dont if the magpies will even win another game liverpool away dont think so...Put my neck out here and say 6 points for saints IF no major injurys it is time to give man utd "a right doing" (to qoute steve bruce) and would top off the greatest season in recent memory...lallana shaw and lambert to kill off utds false dawn under Giggs.. cant wait! ...and the cream would be if Sam could score a wonder goal to give us tatse of whats to come!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: 2 0 ht Koscielny and Ozil.[/p][/quote]Well thats 7th confirmed if ****nal win wed need to let in a lot and newc what have to score a lot and i dont if the magpies will even win another game liverpool away dont think so...Put my neck out here and say 6 points for saints IF no major injurys it is time to give man utd "a right doing" (to qoute steve bruce) and would top off the greatest season in recent memory...lallana shaw and lambert to kill off utds false dawn under Giggs.. cant wait! ...and the cream would be if Sam could score a wonder goal to give us tatse of whats to come! miltonnroad76
  • Score: 0

9:10pm Mon 28 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

miltonnroad76 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
2 0 ht Koscielny and Ozil.
Well thats 7th confirmed if ****nal win wed need to let in a lot and newc what have to score a lot and i dont if the magpies will even win another game liverpool away dont think so...Put my neck out here and say 6 points for saints IF no major injurys it is time to give man utd "a right doing" (to qoute steve bruce) and would top off the greatest season in recent memory...lallana shaw and lambert to kill off utds false dawn under Giggs.. cant wait! ...and the cream would be if Sam could score a wonder goal to give us tatse of whats to come!
8th. Manure are 7th and out of reach now.
[quote][p][bold]miltonnroad76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: 2 0 ht Koscielny and Ozil.[/p][/quote]Well thats 7th confirmed if ****nal win wed need to let in a lot and newc what have to score a lot and i dont if the magpies will even win another game liverpool away dont think so...Put my neck out here and say 6 points for saints IF no major injurys it is time to give man utd "a right doing" (to qoute steve bruce) and would top off the greatest season in recent memory...lallana shaw and lambert to kill off utds false dawn under Giggs.. cant wait! ...and the cream would be if Sam could score a wonder goal to give us tatse of whats to come![/p][/quote]8th. Manure are 7th and out of reach now. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

9:24pm Mon 28 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

3 0 Giroud
3 0 Giroud OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

9:47pm Mon 28 Apr 14

SaintWindsor says...

Have recently had the privilege of some serious exposure to SFC and we are in very good hands. Lots of good things going on behind the scenes. Cortese took us to a good level but his style of management would never have been successful in the long term. Unsustainable.
Have been a fan for 50 years plus. This is the best time to be a fan & am confident that we will move forward with sensible ambition.
Top 6 next stop.
Have recently had the privilege of some serious exposure to SFC and we are in very good hands. Lots of good things going on behind the scenes. Cortese took us to a good level but his style of management would never have been successful in the long term. Unsustainable. Have been a fan for 50 years plus. This is the best time to be a fan & am confident that we will move forward with sensible ambition. Top 6 next stop. SaintWindsor
  • Score: 2

9:49pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Positively4thStreet says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
miltonnroad76 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
2 0 ht Koscielny and Ozil.
Well thats 7th confirmed if ****nal win wed need to let in a lot and newc what have to score a lot and i dont if the magpies will even win another game liverpool away dont think so...Put my neck out here and say 6 points for saints IF no major injurys it is time to give man utd "a right doing" (to qoute steve bruce) and would top off the greatest season in recent memory...lallana shaw and lambert to kill off utds false dawn under Giggs.. cant wait! ...and the cream would be if Sam could score a wonder goal to give us tatse of whats to come!
8th. Manure are 7th and out of reach now.
8th will raise our profile in China too.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonnroad76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: 2 0 ht Koscielny and Ozil.[/p][/quote]Well thats 7th confirmed if ****nal win wed need to let in a lot and newc what have to score a lot and i dont if the magpies will even win another game liverpool away dont think so...Put my neck out here and say 6 points for saints IF no major injurys it is time to give man utd "a right doing" (to qoute steve bruce) and would top off the greatest season in recent memory...lallana shaw and lambert to kill off utds false dawn under Giggs.. cant wait! ...and the cream would be if Sam could score a wonder goal to give us tatse of whats to come![/p][/quote]8th. Manure are 7th and out of reach now.[/p][/quote]8th will raise our profile in China too. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

9:51pm Mon 28 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

3 0 FT
3 0 FT OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

10:09pm Mon 28 Apr 14

arfer phesache says...

Funny, Redthedandy and flowerpot must have gone for a pint together, both stopped posting at the same time.

Been a wonderful season.... lets finish with flourish.

wtfiln.....
Funny, Redthedandy and flowerpot must have gone for a pint together, both stopped posting at the same time. Been a wonderful season.... lets finish with flourish. wtfiln..... arfer phesache
  • Score: 2

10:14pm Mon 28 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

arfer phesache wrote:
Funny, Redthedandy and flowerpot must have gone for a pint together, both stopped posting at the same time.

Been a wonderful season.... lets finish with flourish.

wtfiln.....
I'll drink to that, I think your conspiracy theory has some legs, what next a shush campaign?
[quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: Funny, Redthedandy and flowerpot must have gone for a pint together, both stopped posting at the same time. Been a wonderful season.... lets finish with flourish. wtfiln.....[/p][/quote]I'll drink to that, I think your conspiracy theory has some legs, what next a shush campaign? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

10:14pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Baddesley Bill says...

8th in the premier league....somebody pinch me.

It was only a few sort years ago that Rochdale did the double over us if I recall correctly.

We push ever onwards.

COYR
8th in the premier league....somebody pinch me. It was only a few sort years ago that Rochdale did the double over us if I recall correctly. We push ever onwards. COYR Baddesley Bill
  • Score: 7

10:38pm Mon 28 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Apparently there are a lot of fans going to Swansea wearing "Where's Wally" garb, red and white horizontal stripes, blue trousers and a white and red bobble hat, or a T shirt alternative. Should be a fun day out and hopefully a decent result to boot.
Apparently there are a lot of fans going to Swansea wearing "Where's Wally" garb, red and white horizontal stripes, blue trousers and a white and red bobble hat, or a T shirt alternative. Should be a fun day out and hopefully a decent result to boot. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

10:45pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Freddie Flowerpot says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
Funny, Redthedandy and flowerpot must have gone for a pint together, both stopped posting at the same time.

Been a wonderful season.... lets finish with flourish.

wtfiln.....
I'll drink to that, I think your conspiracy theory has some legs, what next a shush campaign?
Do you have any more accusations you want to throw at me, I'm around for the next 30 minutes.

Fire away.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: Funny, Redthedandy and flowerpot must have gone for a pint together, both stopped posting at the same time. Been a wonderful season.... lets finish with flourish. wtfiln.....[/p][/quote]I'll drink to that, I think your conspiracy theory has some legs, what next a shush campaign?[/p][/quote]Do you have any more accusations you want to throw at me, I'm around for the next 30 minutes. Fire away. Freddie Flowerpot
  • Score: -3

10:59pm Mon 28 Apr 14

arfer phesache says...

Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
Funny, Redthedandy and flowerpot must have gone for a pint together, both stopped posting at the same time.

Been a wonderful season.... lets finish with flourish.

wtfiln.....
I'll drink to that, I think your conspiracy theory has some legs, what next a shush campaign?
Do you have any more accusations you want to throw at me, I'm around for the next 30 minutes.

Fire away.
Enjoy ya pint didya mush....
[quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: Funny, Redthedandy and flowerpot must have gone for a pint together, both stopped posting at the same time. Been a wonderful season.... lets finish with flourish. wtfiln.....[/p][/quote]I'll drink to that, I think your conspiracy theory has some legs, what next a shush campaign?[/p][/quote]Do you have any more accusations you want to throw at me, I'm around for the next 30 minutes. Fire away.[/p][/quote]Enjoy ya pint didya mush.... arfer phesache
  • Score: 0

11:24pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Freddie Flowerpot says...

arfer phesache wrote:
Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
Funny, Redthedandy and flowerpot must have gone for a pint together, both stopped posting at the same time.

Been a wonderful season.... lets finish with flourish.

wtfiln.....
I'll drink to that, I think your conspiracy theory has some legs, what next a shush campaign?
Do you have any more accusations you want to throw at me, I'm around for the next 30 minutes.

Fire away.
Enjoy ya pint didya mush....
I enjoyed the Arsenal v Newcastle match, no beer unfortunately.

Watched it on my Samsung 46" HD TV too,

How was your evening, thought of anymore wacky conspiracy theories recently?

If I was going to set up an alias account, I'd at least make 'him' believable and certainly wouldn't target Osprey, he seems one of the decent guys on here, but think what ever you want to think,
[quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: Funny, Redthedandy and flowerpot must have gone for a pint together, both stopped posting at the same time. Been a wonderful season.... lets finish with flourish. wtfiln.....[/p][/quote]I'll drink to that, I think your conspiracy theory has some legs, what next a shush campaign?[/p][/quote]Do you have any more accusations you want to throw at me, I'm around for the next 30 minutes. Fire away.[/p][/quote]Enjoy ya pint didya mush....[/p][/quote]I enjoyed the Arsenal v Newcastle match, no beer unfortunately. Watched it on my Samsung 46" HD TV too, How was your evening, thought of anymore wacky conspiracy theories recently? If I was going to set up an alias account, I'd at least make 'him' believable and certainly wouldn't target Osprey, he seems one of the decent guys on here, but think what ever you want to think, Freddie Flowerpot
  • Score: -3

12:15am Tue 29 Apr 14

arfer phesache says...

Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
Funny, Redthedandy and flowerpot must have gone for a pint together, both stopped posting at the same time.

Been a wonderful season.... lets finish with flourish.

wtfiln.....
I'll drink to that, I think your conspiracy theory has some legs, what next a shush campaign?
Do you have any more accusations you want to throw at me, I'm around for the next 30 minutes.

Fire away.
Enjoy ya pint didya mush....
I enjoyed the Arsenal v Newcastle match, no beer unfortunately.

Watched it on my Samsung 46" HD TV too,

How was your evening, thought of anymore wacky conspiracy theories recently?

If I was going to set up an alias account, I'd at least make 'him' believable and certainly wouldn't target Osprey, he seems one of the decent guys on here, but think what ever you want to think,
I hope your tv license is as up to date as your season ticket, we wouldn't
want you getting a fine now would we. I mean if you lose the use of your telly you're gonna miss the home game against Man U aren't you..... Tut Tut....
[quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: Funny, Redthedandy and flowerpot must have gone for a pint together, both stopped posting at the same time. Been a wonderful season.... lets finish with flourish. wtfiln.....[/p][/quote]I'll drink to that, I think your conspiracy theory has some legs, what next a shush campaign?[/p][/quote]Do you have any more accusations you want to throw at me, I'm around for the next 30 minutes. Fire away.[/p][/quote]Enjoy ya pint didya mush....[/p][/quote]I enjoyed the Arsenal v Newcastle match, no beer unfortunately. Watched it on my Samsung 46" HD TV too, How was your evening, thought of anymore wacky conspiracy theories recently? If I was going to set up an alias account, I'd at least make 'him' believable and certainly wouldn't target Osprey, he seems one of the decent guys on here, but think what ever you want to think,[/p][/quote]I hope your tv license is as up to date as your season ticket, we wouldn't want you getting a fine now would we. I mean if you lose the use of your telly you're gonna miss the home game against Man U aren't you..... Tut Tut.... arfer phesache
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8:09am Tue 29 Apr 14

Zexagon says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
Littleton-Saint wrote:
Our great club is bigger than its directors, players and manager. We will carry on regardless. If Lallana, Shaw and Spider are open to leaving, then they
need to consider that any move might mean less football in the first team with all the attendant frustration that that will bring. They are better off as Saints players if they really enjoy playing regular, first-team football. If they need an example of how leaving Saints can end a career prematurely, then consider Wayne Bridge!
Steve Williams is also a great example, you could also take your pick of the Wallace brothers!
I know the 'we wont be able to keep our player's' lot will mention shearer, ox and Theo and whilst shearer did great you might also consider that it took Theo and ox Longer to 'break through' than it should have done, even now neither are considered starters for England, they might have progressed quicker and further had they stayed!
I think Les done ok. He became world darts champion
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote: Our great club is bigger than its directors, players and manager. We will carry on regardless. If Lallana, Shaw and Spider are open to leaving, then they need to consider that any move might mean less football in the first team with all the attendant frustration that that will bring. They are better off as Saints players if they really enjoy playing regular, first-team football. If they need an example of how leaving Saints can end a career prematurely, then consider Wayne Bridge![/p][/quote]Steve Williams is also a great example, you could also take your pick of the Wallace brothers! I know the 'we wont be able to keep our player's' lot will mention shearer, ox and Theo and whilst shearer did great you might also consider that it took Theo and ox Longer to 'break through' than it should have done, even now neither are considered starters for England, they might have progressed quicker and further had they stayed![/p][/quote]I think Les done ok. He became world darts champion Zexagon
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8:32am Tue 29 Apr 14

SiamSaint says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
george chivers wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Littleton-Saint wrote:
Our great club is bigger than its directors, players and manager. We will carry on regardless. If Lallana, Shaw and Spider are open to leaving, then they
need to consider that any move might mean less football in the first team with all the attendant frustration that that will bring. They are better off as Saints players if they really enjoy playing regular, first-team football. If they need an example of how leaving Saints can end a career prematurely, then consider Wayne Bridge!
I've never heard Wayne Bridge complaining about the compensation package he got with Chelsea and City. If it were me I would take the money every time.
Yes, I would believe that of you, you come across as someone whose loyalty could be bought off, rather than earned and maintained? Wayne may have made a few bob out of it, but the disruption that it all caused him must have been diificult to take, he may still be regretting the decision but probably wouldn't say so.
You seem to have a little thing about me Osprey. Care to explain why? I have supported/followed Saints since I was 12 which is 54 years and I was taken to my first game when I was 3 and a half. I haven't ever changed my allegiance.

In my working life up to age of 31 I swapped about to gain experience and increase my income and then I stuck for 20 years with a good company where I progressed to senior management and was paid well. And then I was made redundant. What is wrong with that? Nothing in my book.

Footballers have a narrow window of opportunity to make their money between the ages 18 and say 34 if they manage to avoid serious injury. Personally I would rather have the money and some security in later life than handshakes from fans in the street saying I was a good loyal servant to the club when I was skint after a couple of relationship break ups. You only have one shot in football it is a short career.

What is wrong with that?

If you don't take care of yourself nobody else is going to do it for you. There is no room for sentimentality. Fans stick with their teams. Players are guns for hire.
big, no huge difference is George that even now luke is probably earning more a week than you did in a year, the fact that he also has a five year contract to fall back on means that in the period of his contract he will earn a small fortune. even if he is earning just £30k a year, might be more might be less but its as good a figure as any, he would earn £1.56mill a year or £7.8mill over the five years. if he were to be injured next week and god forbid it was a career ending injury he would still be entitled to the remainder of his contract. so at the age of just 23 he would be worth £7.8mill from wages alone, then add any bonuses and endorsements and it could total more than £10mill. if you think that's not enough money for anyone to live on for the rest of their lives then please let us know.
players earn a fortune nowadays and even an average prem player is set for life after a season or two.
gone are the days that footballers have to consider another career after they finish playing, we wont see the likes of luke buying/running pubs like Peter Rodrigues did, he now works as a driver and his FA cup winning medal was brought by SFC in an auction in 2004 for £10,200.
I get your point but if you think a player has to move clubs to secure his financial future you are quite wrong, if a player does move for money then they are showing their real greed. a lot of players, who are financially secure, would rather go to a club, or stay at a club, where they are guaranteed to play first team football week in week out. that's what saints can offer luke and lalla, they know they are going to play in the prem every week and earn enough to set them up for life, and I for one would rather play regular first team football in the prem with £10mill in the bank than sit on a bench and only play half the games and have £30mill in the bank. that's where we differ.
Time will tell
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote: Our great club is bigger than its directors, players and manager. We will carry on regardless. If Lallana, Shaw and Spider are open to leaving, then they need to consider that any move might mean less football in the first team with all the attendant frustration that that will bring. They are better off as Saints players if they really enjoy playing regular, first-team football. If they need an example of how leaving Saints can end a career prematurely, then consider Wayne Bridge![/p][/quote]I've never heard Wayne Bridge complaining about the compensation package he got with Chelsea and City. If it were me I would take the money every time.[/p][/quote]Yes, I would believe that of you, you come across as someone whose loyalty could be bought off, rather than earned and maintained? Wayne may have made a few bob out of it, but the disruption that it all caused him must have been diificult to take, he may still be regretting the decision but probably wouldn't say so.[/p][/quote]You seem to have a little thing about me Osprey. Care to explain why? I have supported/followed Saints since I was 12 which is 54 years and I was taken to my first game when I was 3 and a half. I haven't ever changed my allegiance. In my working life up to age of 31 I swapped about to gain experience and increase my income and then I stuck for 20 years with a good company where I progressed to senior management and was paid well. And then I was made redundant. What is wrong with that? Nothing in my book. Footballers have a narrow window of opportunity to make their money between the ages 18 and say 34 if they manage to avoid serious injury. Personally I would rather have the money and some security in later life than handshakes from fans in the street saying I was a good loyal servant to the club when I was skint after a couple of relationship break ups. You only have one shot in football it is a short career. What is wrong with that? If you don't take care of yourself nobody else is going to do it for you. There is no room for sentimentality. Fans stick with their teams. Players are guns for hire.[/p][/quote]big, no huge difference is George that even now luke is probably earning more a week than you did in a year, the fact that he also has a five year contract to fall back on means that in the period of his contract he will earn a small fortune. even if he is earning just £30k a year, might be more might be less but its as good a figure as any, he would earn £1.56mill a year or £7.8mill over the five years. if he were to be injured next week and god forbid it was a career ending injury he would still be entitled to the remainder of his contract. so at the age of just 23 he would be worth £7.8mill from wages alone, then add any bonuses and endorsements and it could total more than £10mill. if you think that's not enough money for anyone to live on for the rest of their lives then please let us know. players earn a fortune nowadays and even an average prem player is set for life after a season or two. gone are the days that footballers have to consider another career after they finish playing, we wont see the likes of luke buying/running pubs like Peter Rodrigues did, he now works as a driver and his FA cup winning medal was brought by SFC in an auction in 2004 for £10,200. I get your point but if you think a player has to move clubs to secure his financial future you are quite wrong, if a player does move for money then they are showing their real greed. a lot of players, who are financially secure, would rather go to a club, or stay at a club, where they are guaranteed to play first team football week in week out. that's what saints can offer luke and lalla, they know they are going to play in the prem every week and earn enough to set them up for life, and I for one would rather play regular first team football in the prem with £10mill in the bank than sit on a bench and only play half the games and have £30mill in the bank. that's where we differ.[/p][/quote]Time will tell SiamSaint
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12:29pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Beer Monster says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
By the way George in case you hadn't noticed it isn't personal, my wrath is vented against anyone who puts up negative posts against the Saints, particularly those that I consider to be mischievous and disingenuous or are simply incorrect, but my words have never harmed anyone to my knowledge, upset a few I grant you, bored the pants off of many undoubtedly, I try to avoid being abusive and try to research my replies before posting them, I am not infallible, mostly harmless.
Who cares about your supposed wrath?
Stop taking this thread and yourself so seriously and give us a score update why don't you!
Well they haven't kicked off yet as any genuine football fan would know, you probably don't even know what important game is on tonight or how it could affect us.

Just been watching footage of the Brighton and Coventry promotion games, that is what I am missing, the thrill of getting promoted, you just can't match that in the Premier can you?
I can dig your vibe Osprey - all the footage I was receiving yesterday on my feed from SFC from two years ago was making my hairs stand on end, the memories as vivid as if it were yesterday.

I was drinking here as they had three games on at the same time (us, West Ham, and some Scottish match); http://www.beerinthe
evening.com/pubs/s/1
9/19199/Mathers/Edin
burgh

It truly is a beautiful thing when one is stood in a pub full of Scotsman, crying tears of pride into ones pint of Highland brew as SRL is hoisted onto the shoulders of the sell out crowd who had invaded the pitch in moments of sheer happiness that I'd only previously felt at Villa Park on April 13th 2003.

Never a dull moment, being a Saints fan :-)
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: By the way George in case you hadn't noticed it isn't personal, my wrath is vented against anyone who puts up negative posts against the Saints, particularly those that I consider to be mischievous and disingenuous or are simply incorrect, but my words have never harmed anyone to my knowledge, upset a few I grant you, bored the pants off of many undoubtedly, I try to avoid being abusive and try to research my replies before posting them, I am not infallible, mostly harmless.[/p][/quote]Who cares about your supposed wrath? Stop taking this thread and yourself so seriously and give us a score update why don't you![/p][/quote]Well they haven't kicked off yet as any genuine football fan would know, you probably don't even know what important game is on tonight or how it could affect us. Just been watching footage of the Brighton and Coventry promotion games, that is what I am missing, the thrill of getting promoted, you just can't match that in the Premier can you?[/p][/quote]I can dig your vibe Osprey - all the footage I was receiving yesterday on my feed from SFC from two years ago was making my hairs stand on end, the memories as vivid as if it were yesterday. I was drinking here as they had three games on at the same time (us, West Ham, and some Scottish match); http://www.beerinthe evening.com/pubs/s/1 9/19199/Mathers/Edin burgh It truly is a beautiful thing when one is stood in a pub full of Scotsman, crying tears of pride into ones pint of Highland brew as SRL is hoisted onto the shoulders of the sell out crowd who had invaded the pitch in moments of sheer happiness that I'd only previously felt at Villa Park on April 13th 2003. Never a dull moment, being a Saints fan :-) Beer Monster
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2:17pm Tue 29 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

I kept getting angry about what one guy was posting on a Twitter site, his post were constantly about us selling players and Managers moving out, etc. then someone pointed out that this guy was enjoying his fantasies on an Internet Football Management game site! It had nothing to do with reality at all. I reckon there should be seperate web sites for gamers and real people, then it wouldn't get so confusing.
I kept getting angry about what one guy was posting on a Twitter site, his post were constantly about us selling players and Managers moving out, etc. then someone pointed out that this guy was enjoying his fantasies on an Internet Football Management game site! It had nothing to do with reality at all. I reckon there should be seperate web sites for gamers and real people, then it wouldn't get so confusing. OSPREYSAINT
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2:21pm Tue 29 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
Funny, Redthedandy and flowerpot must have gone for a pint together, both stopped posting at the same time.

Been a wonderful season.... lets finish with flourish.

wtfiln.....
I'll drink to that, I think your conspiracy theory has some legs, what next a shush campaign?
Do you have any more accusations you want to throw at me, I'm around for the next 30 minutes.

Fire away.
Enjoy ya pint didya mush....
I enjoyed the Arsenal v Newcastle match, no beer unfortunately.

Watched it on my Samsung 46" HD TV too,

How was your evening, thought of anymore wacky conspiracy theories recently?

If I was going to set up an alias account, I'd at least make 'him' believable and certainly wouldn't target Osprey, he seems one of the decent guys on here, but think what ever you want to think,
I enjoyed the fact that Arsenal beating Newcastle meant we retained our 8th position, but as game it was pretty dull, Arsenal were streets ahead of a very disinterested Toon team, as a neutral it was a chronic thing to watch, even on my 19" portable.
[quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: Funny, Redthedandy and flowerpot must have gone for a pint together, both stopped posting at the same time. Been a wonderful season.... lets finish with flourish. wtfiln.....[/p][/quote]I'll drink to that, I think your conspiracy theory has some legs, what next a shush campaign?[/p][/quote]Do you have any more accusations you want to throw at me, I'm around for the next 30 minutes. Fire away.[/p][/quote]Enjoy ya pint didya mush....[/p][/quote]I enjoyed the Arsenal v Newcastle match, no beer unfortunately. Watched it on my Samsung 46" HD TV too, How was your evening, thought of anymore wacky conspiracy theories recently? If I was going to set up an alias account, I'd at least make 'him' believable and certainly wouldn't target Osprey, he seems one of the decent guys on here, but think what ever you want to think,[/p][/quote]I enjoyed the fact that Arsenal beating Newcastle meant we retained our 8th position, but as game it was pretty dull, Arsenal were streets ahead of a very disinterested Toon team, as a neutral it was a chronic thing to watch, even on my 19" portable. OSPREYSAINT
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