Schneiderlin - why this is a huge summer for the Saints board

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Morgan Schneiderlin insists Saints can keep hold of their best players this summer – as long as the new board continue to drive the club forward.

The midfielder is the latest senior star to state his belief that the next few months at St Mary’s will be crucial, if the progress of the past five seasons is to carry on.

Despite speculation linking key players, not to mention manager Mauricio Pochettino, pictured, with moves elsewhere, Schneiderlin thinks it is possible to keep the core of the squad together.

The French ace also believes that, with the right investment, the team can challenge even further up the Premier League table next season.

Schneiderlin wants to be part of a Saints side competing for a top-six position, and he hopes the actions of the St Mary’s decision-makers will reflect that ambition.

“It’s important for the club, because it’s going to show the direction they want to take,” said Schneiderlin of the summer ahead. “(The direction) they want to take with the gaffer first, because there’s many players who want to play for the gaffer.

“There’s a lot of things that they have to do and then we’ll see.

“Of course, we don’t know what’s going to happen this summer, but Southampton can get a step forward, and that’s the main thing.

“The fans want it, the players want it, so we’re just going to see.

“We can’t do anything, because we’re (in the) background. We’re just going to wait and see what they’re going to do.

“But, of course, we want, I want, to be part of a team that is playing for the top five or top six places, and if they can’t do this then many players are going to be disappointed.”

If the new Saints board can persuade Pochettino to sign a fresh long-term contract and can invest money in the squad – despite the “difficult” financial situation they say they have inherited – then Schneiderlin believes there will be no reason for the club’s best players to leave.

He said: “If they say to the main players and to the gaffer ‘Listen, we’re going to make you sign a long-term contract, we’re going to keep the main players in there, we’re going to bring in three, four, five more players to improve that squad to be in the top six’ then why not?

“Look how we played (at Manchester City). There’s not much gap between us and the top five or six, so why not?

“But, like I say, there’s many things they need to do.”

Saints are nearing the end of an extremely impressive season, especially considering that it is still only their second campaign back in the top-flight, with the club on course for an eighth-place finish and a record Premier League points haul.

It is enough to convince last year’s player-of-the-season Schneiderlin, who has enjoyed another excellent year, that Saints are not that far off the top six.

“We feel very, very close,” he said.

“When you look at every game we’ve played against the top teams, I think it’s just once or twice when we played Chelsea that we didn’t perform very well, but apart from that against every team we did very well – Manchester City first game, now second game we did good.

“Arsenal we did very well in both games.

“We’re very close to those teams and we just need to adjust some things, of course to get new players in, and two or three little things, and then why not?”

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7:05am Fri 11 Apr 14

InCortesewetrust says...

Get on with it Mopo sign up long term, it makes perfect sense, it's obvious that our best player's are 100% behind you,
Get on with it Mopo sign up long term, it makes perfect sense, it's obvious that our best player's are 100% behind you, InCortesewetrust
  • Score: 28

7:49am Fri 11 Apr 14

Golden_Salamander says...

The question the board should be answering is what are the board are gong to do with the £80m+ they are going to receive for finishing 8th.
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What I would like to see :-
1/ Long term contract for Pochettino.
2/ Keeping ALL the kids (like Luke, Calum, JWP etc) and the heartbeat of the Saints "Team spirit" (Like Adam, Morgan, Jack, Dejan etc).
3/ If anyone goes it has to be Dani and Gaston (say £20m) (I don't think the Italian experiment has worked)
4/ Use that money on a new backup GK, CB and Forward (? Does the Bournemouth player Grabban still have that £1m buyout clause ?)
5/ Go out and get a BIG Shirt deal. (The accounts showed a VERY POOR amount of money coming from commercial deals - I think 5 Championship clubs had better deals)
6/ Naming rights for the Stands and the Ground can pay for PHASE 2 of the Training Ground.,
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However I am becoming increasing concerned that Ralph might not be up to the job, he reminds be of a manager I had years ago who as soon as a difficult decision had to be made would move the piece of paper to the bottom of his "in-tray" and when it worked it's way to the top he would move it to the bottom again. (What should I do with Pochettino contract ? move it to the bottom of the in tray; what should I do with Players contracts - move it to the bottom of the in tray etc).

Come on Ralph, get on with the important decisions no one is really concerned about Car Park charges.
The question the board should be answering is what are the board are gong to do with the £80m+ they are going to receive for finishing 8th. . What I would like to see :- 1/ Long term contract for Pochettino. 2/ Keeping ALL the kids (like Luke, Calum, JWP etc) and the heartbeat of the Saints "Team spirit" (Like Adam, Morgan, Jack, Dejan etc). 3/ If anyone goes it has to be Dani and Gaston (say £20m) (I don't think the Italian experiment has worked) 4/ Use that money on a new backup GK, CB and Forward (? Does the Bournemouth player Grabban still have that £1m buyout clause ?) 5/ Go out and get a BIG Shirt deal. (The accounts showed a VERY POOR amount of money coming from commercial deals - I think 5 Championship clubs had better deals) 6/ Naming rights for the Stands and the Ground can pay for PHASE 2 of the Training Ground., . However I am becoming increasing concerned that Ralph might not be up to the job, he reminds be of a manager I had years ago who as soon as a difficult decision had to be made would move the piece of paper to the bottom of his "in-tray" and when it worked it's way to the top he would move it to the bottom again. (What should I do with Pochettino contract ? move it to the bottom of the in tray; what should I do with Players contracts - move it to the bottom of the in tray etc). Come on Ralph, get on with the important decisions no one is really concerned about Car Park charges. Golden_Salamander
  • Score: 3

8:05am Fri 11 Apr 14

miltonarcher says...

Grabban? No, we need to go for players who have done it at the highest level. Gaston should stay, if you had watched him recently you would see there is a massive improvement, he offers something different.
Grabban? No, we need to go for players who have done it at the highest level. Gaston should stay, if you had watched him recently you would see there is a massive improvement, he offers something different. miltonarcher
  • Score: 37

8:17am Fri 11 Apr 14

Saintsteve7 says...

Could you imagine the players coming with these statements if NC was still around?! Seems a bit of a stand off might be emerging, the players must also feel that some of the noises coming from the new board are not quite as positive as they should be? It's been said before but it's going to be a very interesting and important summer coming up.
One thing that is for sure is the World Cup will only had to the stress for us fans as most big signings don't occur until the tournament has finished!
Seems like we might have to be very patient bunch this year.
Coyr
Could you imagine the players coming with these statements if NC was still around?! Seems a bit of a stand off might be emerging, the players must also feel that some of the noises coming from the new board are not quite as positive as they should be? It's been said before but it's going to be a very interesting and important summer coming up. One thing that is for sure is the World Cup will only had to the stress for us fans as most big signings don't occur until the tournament has finished! Seems like we might have to be very patient bunch this year. Coyr Saintsteve7
  • Score: 15

8:38am Fri 11 Apr 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

This is the clearest indication yet that Ralph is not delivering on his promise to be open and transparent. The manager and the players came/stayed here because of the vision Cortese sold them. No matter Cortese has gone the vision must live on. Obviously there has been no communication to this effect from the new board to the manger and players as well as the fans.

Morgan is about the fifth player to come out and state this. When Rickie first did it I jokingly said will it take the whole team to get it through, well we are half way there!

Cortese was on £2m a year and still tendered his resignation. We don't know why but possibly because the club weakened its commitment to the vision and he felt unable to deliver it as a result?

These players would not speak out without MoPos consent possibly even encouragement. They are all saying 'we will stay, we want to stay provided the ambition lives on and the club will continue to invest in the team'.

It's time the board listened and responded.
This is the clearest indication yet that Ralph is not delivering on his promise to be open and transparent. The manager and the players came/stayed here because of the vision Cortese sold them. No matter Cortese has gone the vision must live on. Obviously there has been no communication to this effect from the new board to the manger and players as well as the fans. Morgan is about the fifth player to come out and state this. When Rickie first did it I jokingly said will it take the whole team to get it through, well we are half way there! Cortese was on £2m a year and still tendered his resignation. We don't know why but possibly because the club weakened its commitment to the vision and he felt unable to deliver it as a result? These players would not speak out without MoPos consent possibly even encouragement. They are all saying 'we will stay, we want to stay provided the ambition lives on and the club will continue to invest in the team'. It's time the board listened and responded. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 21

8:50am Fri 11 Apr 14

milton road says...

As said this season will see Saints get over 80 million, the upping of the the TV money coming into play, plus the extra appearance money and league position money. Which will pretty well make the 80 million. Then income through the turnstiles commercial sales etc.
Most clubs off set transfer fees over several seasons, so the 27 million is no great surprise. Though the fact that 22 million does need to be paid in the next season, one fears will take a chunk out of any transfer kitty.
Here will lie the pivotal point IMO of MP signing and in turn keeping younger players. We need a substantial transfer chest to strengthen the squad.
One of the nationals at the time Cortese left made the point that KL wanted more control over the finances, something Cortese was not prepared to give up. Also that Cortese's view was that the club need to spend big again to progress. Whilst KL had the belief the club needed to work within tighter financial constraint.
We have seen poor transfer activity in the last couple of seasons. There is no doubt that Rodriguez, Clyne, Yoshida and Lovren have been good buys taking their fee into consideration. A combined fee of around 20 million. Yet question marks still remain over Wanyama who agreed in fairness has missed most of the season. There is Osvaldo who will return to Saints in the summer, his poor performances and lack of goals making it highly unlikely that Juventus will buy him or anyone else at this stage. Unless he has an absolutely amazing world cup, but at the moment he is playing himself out of that. Ramirez occasionally plays and equally occasionally shows glimpses of real talent. In those three players we have tied up approx 40 million.
I would imagine as an owner I would say that our academy is fantastic but our scouting system leaves a lot to be desired.
Only my opinion but I think the signing of MP will be around what money is available. I do not think there will be any question about his freedom to manage his squad. I do not think there will be a question about his wage demands.
One does think though there will be a lot of thought about an academy centre that cost double the budget and three players who were from what we have seen so far vastly over priced.
The club is still very sound its assets definitely out weigh its debts by a lot. The 'difficult situation' one would assume is to progress with a + rather than -. If we are to look and think of the academy as a one off situation. Then things are not so bad at all. The questions to be answered are why are the players that cost us the most the least effective of those we have purchased since we came to the premiership. What do we learn form it.
As said this season will see Saints get over 80 million, the upping of the the TV money coming into play, plus the extra appearance money and league position money. Which will pretty well make the 80 million. Then income through the turnstiles commercial sales etc. Most clubs off set transfer fees over several seasons, so the 27 million is no great surprise. Though the fact that 22 million does need to be paid in the next season, one fears will take a chunk out of any transfer kitty. Here will lie the pivotal point IMO of MP signing and in turn keeping younger players. We need a substantial transfer chest to strengthen the squad. One of the nationals at the time Cortese left made the point that KL wanted more control over the finances, something Cortese was not prepared to give up. Also that Cortese's view was that the club need to spend big again to progress. Whilst KL had the belief the club needed to work within tighter financial constraint. We have seen poor transfer activity in the last couple of seasons. There is no doubt that Rodriguez, Clyne, Yoshida and Lovren have been good buys taking their fee into consideration. A combined fee of around 20 million. Yet question marks still remain over Wanyama who agreed in fairness has missed most of the season. There is Osvaldo who will return to Saints in the summer, his poor performances and lack of goals making it highly unlikely that Juventus will buy him or anyone else at this stage. Unless he has an absolutely amazing world cup, but at the moment he is playing himself out of that. Ramirez occasionally plays and equally occasionally shows glimpses of real talent. In those three players we have tied up approx 40 million. I would imagine as an owner I would say that our academy is fantastic but our scouting system leaves a lot to be desired. Only my opinion but I think the signing of MP will be around what money is available. I do not think there will be any question about his freedom to manage his squad. I do not think there will be a question about his wage demands. One does think though there will be a lot of thought about an academy centre that cost double the budget and three players who were from what we have seen so far vastly over priced. The club is still very sound its assets definitely out weigh its debts by a lot. The 'difficult situation' one would assume is to progress with a + rather than -. If we are to look and think of the academy as a one off situation. Then things are not so bad at all. The questions to be answered are why are the players that cost us the most the least effective of those we have purchased since we came to the premiership. What do we learn form it. milton road
  • Score: 3

8:53am Fri 11 Apr 14

Sheffieldsaint says...

Does Morgan actually use the word 'Gaffer' or is it Les' Gaffere'
Does Morgan actually use the word 'Gaffer' or is it Les' Gaffere' Sheffieldsaint
  • Score: 3

9:00am Fri 11 Apr 14

killared says...

Golden_Salamander wrote:
The question the board should be answering is what are the board are gong to do with the £80m+ they are going to receive for finishing 8th.
.
What I would like to see :-
1/ Long term contract for Pochettino.
2/ Keeping ALL the kids (like Luke, Calum, JWP etc) and the heartbeat of the Saints "Team spirit" (Like Adam, Morgan, Jack, Dejan etc).
3/ If anyone goes it has to be Dani and Gaston (say £20m) (I don't think the Italian experiment has worked)
4/ Use that money on a new backup GK, CB and Forward (? Does the Bournemouth player Grabban still have that £1m buyout clause ?)
5/ Go out and get a BIG Shirt deal. (The accounts showed a VERY POOR amount of money coming from commercial deals - I think 5 Championship clubs had better deals)
6/ Naming rights for the Stands and the Ground can pay for PHASE 2 of the Training Ground.,
.
However I am becoming increasing concerned that Ralph might not be up to the job, he reminds be of a manager I had years ago who as soon as a difficult decision had to be made would move the piece of paper to the bottom of his "in-tray" and when it worked it's way to the top he would move it to the bottom again. (What should I do with Pochettino contract ? move it to the bottom of the in tray; what should I do with Players contracts - move it to the bottom of the in tray etc).

Come on Ralph, get on with the important decisions no one is really concerned about Car Park charges.
Like I said on here previously Osvaldo will never go for 20 million or 10 million the club must be ready to take any offer for him and make a big loss. Southampton FC doesn't need to take any players from the championship we are aiming higher we are not Palace, Norwich, West Brom who keep buying players from the lower league and try to save their neck from relegation every season we are aiming for European Football
[quote][p][bold]Golden_Salamander[/bold] wrote: The question the board should be answering is what are the board are gong to do with the £80m+ they are going to receive for finishing 8th. . What I would like to see :- 1/ Long term contract for Pochettino. 2/ Keeping ALL the kids (like Luke, Calum, JWP etc) and the heartbeat of the Saints "Team spirit" (Like Adam, Morgan, Jack, Dejan etc). 3/ If anyone goes it has to be Dani and Gaston (say £20m) (I don't think the Italian experiment has worked) 4/ Use that money on a new backup GK, CB and Forward (? Does the Bournemouth player Grabban still have that £1m buyout clause ?) 5/ Go out and get a BIG Shirt deal. (The accounts showed a VERY POOR amount of money coming from commercial deals - I think 5 Championship clubs had better deals) 6/ Naming rights for the Stands and the Ground can pay for PHASE 2 of the Training Ground., . However I am becoming increasing concerned that Ralph might not be up to the job, he reminds be of a manager I had years ago who as soon as a difficult decision had to be made would move the piece of paper to the bottom of his "in-tray" and when it worked it's way to the top he would move it to the bottom again. (What should I do with Pochettino contract ? move it to the bottom of the in tray; what should I do with Players contracts - move it to the bottom of the in tray etc). Come on Ralph, get on with the important decisions no one is really concerned about Car Park charges.[/p][/quote]Like I said on here previously Osvaldo will never go for 20 million or 10 million the club must be ready to take any offer for him and make a big loss. Southampton FC doesn't need to take any players from the championship we are aiming higher we are not Palace, Norwich, West Brom who keep buying players from the lower league and try to save their neck from relegation every season we are aiming for European Football killared
  • Score: 0

9:00am Fri 11 Apr 14

prawn89 says...

Good to hear Spider wants to stay - not so long ago he was talking up a move to Arsenal or another 'big' club.

Really hope that our board continue to fight for our club to continue to improve. McManaman really cheesed me off before the City game by declaring that 'none of our players will stay' inc Shaw, Chambers, Schneiderlin and maybe Adam. The annoying thing is that he's right... UNLESS the board sort it out and continue to push.

I think Shaw has already made his mind up, but if we can get close to 27m for him then that's not bad for a kid. The others will want to win trophies too - so we need to convince them that they can do that here or I fear for us.
Good to hear Spider wants to stay - not so long ago he was talking up a move to Arsenal or another 'big' club. Really hope that our board continue to fight for our club to continue to improve. McManaman really cheesed me off before the City game by declaring that 'none of our players will stay' inc Shaw, Chambers, Schneiderlin and maybe Adam. The annoying thing is that he's right... UNLESS the board sort it out and continue to push. I think Shaw has already made his mind up, but if we can get close to 27m for him then that's not bad for a kid. The others will want to win trophies too - so we need to convince them that they can do that here or I fear for us. prawn89
  • Score: 7

9:11am Fri 11 Apr 14

george chivers says...

miltonarcher wrote:
Grabban? No, we need to go for players who have done it at the highest level. Gaston should stay, if you had watched him recently you would see there is a massive improvement, he offers something different.
Jrod hadn't done it at the highest level.
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Grabban? No, we need to go for players who have done it at the highest level. Gaston should stay, if you had watched him recently you would see there is a massive improvement, he offers something different.[/p][/quote]Jrod hadn't done it at the highest level. george chivers
  • Score: 16

9:19am Fri 11 Apr 14

george chivers says...

It is worrying the players are taking it in turns to say the same thing. I think they want the club's position clarified before the end of the season so they can
make up their minds what to do for themselves.

I fear MOPO may be too closely associated with Cortese in the minds of the board and they may want their own man in. Not something I agree with, I want to keep him.
It is worrying the players are taking it in turns to say the same thing. I think they want the club's position clarified before the end of the season so they can make up their minds what to do for themselves. I fear MOPO may be too closely associated with Cortese in the minds of the board and they may want their own man in. Not something I agree with, I want to keep him. george chivers
  • Score: 11

9:27am Fri 11 Apr 14

Clever Dick says...

george chivers wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
Grabban? No, we need to go for players who have done it at the highest level. Gaston should stay, if you had watched him recently you would see there is a massive improvement, he offers something different.
Jrod hadn't done it at the highest level.
Neither had Adam, SRL, Callum, Nat, JWP ,Morgan, Jose.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Grabban? No, we need to go for players who have done it at the highest level. Gaston should stay, if you had watched him recently you would see there is a massive improvement, he offers something different.[/p][/quote]Jrod hadn't done it at the highest level.[/p][/quote]Neither had Adam, SRL, Callum, Nat, JWP ,Morgan, Jose. Clever Dick
  • Score: 13

9:29am Fri 11 Apr 14

settheSTandard says...

All the players that are being transferred out of the club by the press are already on long contracts. The main signing this summer must be MP, and he himself has stated in his recent weekly press conferences he will wait until the end of the season. The people who imply the new chairman is inadequate over this issue are IMO out of order, We all just have to be patient.
All the players that are being transferred out of the club by the press are already on long contracts. The main signing this summer must be MP, and he himself has stated in his recent weekly press conferences he will wait until the end of the season. The people who imply the new chairman is inadequate over this issue are IMO out of order, We all just have to be patient. settheSTandard
  • Score: 19

9:32am Fri 11 Apr 14

singapore saint84 says...

Just hope we dont turn out to be like swansea,norwich or wba. 3 teams which did well last season...dont know what the hell happened to them...we need to invest well and push forward.
Just hope we dont turn out to be like swansea,norwich or wba. 3 teams which did well last season...dont know what the hell happened to them...we need to invest well and push forward. singapore saint84
  • Score: 6

9:33am Fri 11 Apr 14

devonsaint2 says...

Golden_Salamander wrote:
The question the board should be answering is what are the board are gong to do with the £80m+ they are going to receive for finishing 8th.
.
What I would like to see :-
1/ Long term contract for Pochettino.
2/ Keeping ALL the kids (like Luke, Calum, JWP etc) and the heartbeat of the Saints "Team spirit" (Like Adam, Morgan, Jack, Dejan etc).
3/ If anyone goes it has to be Dani and Gaston (say £20m) (I don't think the Italian experiment has worked)
4/ Use that money on a new backup GK, CB and Forward (? Does the Bournemouth player Grabban still have that £1m buyout clause ?)
5/ Go out and get a BIG Shirt deal. (The accounts showed a VERY POOR amount of money coming from commercial deals - I think 5 Championship clubs had better deals)
6/ Naming rights for the Stands and the Ground can pay for PHASE 2 of the Training Ground.,
.
However I am becoming increasing concerned that Ralph might not be up to the job, he reminds be of a manager I had years ago who as soon as a difficult decision had to be made would move the piece of paper to the bottom of his "in-tray" and when it worked it's way to the top he would move it to the bottom again. (What should I do with Pochettino contract ? move it to the bottom of the in tray; what should I do with Players contracts - move it to the bottom of the in tray etc).

Come on Ralph, get on with the important decisions no one is really concerned about Car Park charges.
Excellent analysis . Nearly agree with it all
Not sure about Grabban.....Ings would be better buy.

Get rid of Gaston...He has produced so little. Odd fleeting moments don't add up to £13m transfer fee...get £10m and look again...same with Osvaldo. Those buys ( and whose were they NC or Atkins ) is what has caused the unrest of the owners, I believe.
Unsure on Victor...had a good period but now looks so slow . In my opinion Steve Davis is a far better player.
Re the Chairman....people who can read into what he's done or not done are geniuses...Give him a chance...I for one am pleased Cortese has gone..We haven't got worse without him. SFC continues..It wasn't his club..its the supporters who keep the club going ( and Katerina's money helps ).

Get MOPO signed and all will be rosy...
[quote][p][bold]Golden_Salamander[/bold] wrote: The question the board should be answering is what are the board are gong to do with the £80m+ they are going to receive for finishing 8th. . What I would like to see :- 1/ Long term contract for Pochettino. 2/ Keeping ALL the kids (like Luke, Calum, JWP etc) and the heartbeat of the Saints "Team spirit" (Like Adam, Morgan, Jack, Dejan etc). 3/ If anyone goes it has to be Dani and Gaston (say £20m) (I don't think the Italian experiment has worked) 4/ Use that money on a new backup GK, CB and Forward (? Does the Bournemouth player Grabban still have that £1m buyout clause ?) 5/ Go out and get a BIG Shirt deal. (The accounts showed a VERY POOR amount of money coming from commercial deals - I think 5 Championship clubs had better deals) 6/ Naming rights for the Stands and the Ground can pay for PHASE 2 of the Training Ground., . However I am becoming increasing concerned that Ralph might not be up to the job, he reminds be of a manager I had years ago who as soon as a difficult decision had to be made would move the piece of paper to the bottom of his "in-tray" and when it worked it's way to the top he would move it to the bottom again. (What should I do with Pochettino contract ? move it to the bottom of the in tray; what should I do with Players contracts - move it to the bottom of the in tray etc). Come on Ralph, get on with the important decisions no one is really concerned about Car Park charges.[/p][/quote]Excellent analysis . Nearly agree with it all Not sure about Grabban.....Ings would be better buy. Get rid of Gaston...He has produced so little. Odd fleeting moments don't add up to £13m transfer fee...get £10m and look again...same with Osvaldo. Those buys ( and whose were they NC or Atkins ) is what has caused the unrest of the owners, I believe. Unsure on Victor...had a good period but now looks so slow . In my opinion Steve Davis is a far better player. Re the Chairman....people who can read into what he's done or not done are geniuses...Give him a chance...I for one am pleased Cortese has gone..We haven't got worse without him. SFC continues..It wasn't his club..its the supporters who keep the club going ( and Katerina's money helps ). Get MOPO signed and all will be rosy... devonsaint2
  • Score: 0

9:47am Fri 11 Apr 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

We shouldn't have to read into what the chairman's ambitions are for the club - he should tell us. It's really quite simple.
We shouldn't have to read into what the chairman's ambitions are for the club - he should tell us. It's really quite simple. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 11

9:51am Fri 11 Apr 14

killared says...

singapore saint84 wrote:
Just hope we dont turn out to be like swansea,norwich or wba. 3 teams which did well last season...dont know what the hell happened to them...we need to invest well and push forward.
Swansea Europa league was a killer for them as they have a small squad, Norwich the players didn't turn up ! , West Brom the sacking of their coach and the sale of Shane long their main man was really odd if you ask me and frankly West Brom deserve to go down for stupid decision
[quote][p][bold]singapore saint84[/bold] wrote: Just hope we dont turn out to be like swansea,norwich or wba. 3 teams which did well last season...dont know what the hell happened to them...we need to invest well and push forward.[/p][/quote]Swansea Europa league was a killer for them as they have a small squad, Norwich the players didn't turn up ! , West Brom the sacking of their coach and the sale of Shane long their main man was really odd if you ask me and frankly West Brom deserve to go down for stupid decision killared
  • Score: 0

9:58am Fri 11 Apr 14

ghk230473 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
This is the clearest indication yet that Ralph is not delivering on his promise to be open and transparent. The manager and the players came/stayed here because of the vision Cortese sold them. No matter Cortese has gone the vision must live on. Obviously there has been no communication to this effect from the new board to the manger and players as well as the fans.

Morgan is about the fifth player to come out and state this. When Rickie first did it I jokingly said will it take the whole team to get it through, well we are half way there!

Cortese was on £2m a year and still tendered his resignation. We don't know why but possibly because the club weakened its commitment to the vision and he felt unable to deliver it as a result?

These players would not speak out without MoPos consent possibly even encouragement. They are all saying 'we will stay, we want to stay provided the ambition lives on and the club will continue to invest in the team'.

It's time the board listened and responded.
What is splitter from previous thread?

I think the £2m that cortèse got paid was performance related, not sure if he would have received that much in following years as our progress has obviously slowed down, we've reached our level IMO.

Some of our big money signings haven't quite worked out, these were made under cortèses watch and he has obviously passed some financial problems on (he will get the blame no matter what). Or Kat isn't prepared to take further risks. I thought the vision was to become self sufficient and exist from money from the accademy?
I think we either back this new regime or hope cortèse will return with a new investor. Mopo has said himself that at the moment he is concentrating on the league and will discuss the future in the summer, which I think makes sense. Hopefully he remains and we don't lose too many if any players with the addition, as every one been saying since the start of the season of defenders and now a descent back up goal keeper.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: This is the clearest indication yet that Ralph is not delivering on his promise to be open and transparent. The manager and the players came/stayed here because of the vision Cortese sold them. No matter Cortese has gone the vision must live on. Obviously there has been no communication to this effect from the new board to the manger and players as well as the fans. Morgan is about the fifth player to come out and state this. When Rickie first did it I jokingly said will it take the whole team to get it through, well we are half way there! Cortese was on £2m a year and still tendered his resignation. We don't know why but possibly because the club weakened its commitment to the vision and he felt unable to deliver it as a result? These players would not speak out without MoPos consent possibly even encouragement. They are all saying 'we will stay, we want to stay provided the ambition lives on and the club will continue to invest in the team'. It's time the board listened and responded.[/p][/quote]What is splitter from previous thread? I think the £2m that cortèse got paid was performance related, not sure if he would have received that much in following years as our progress has obviously slowed down, we've reached our level IMO. Some of our big money signings haven't quite worked out, these were made under cortèses watch and he has obviously passed some financial problems on (he will get the blame no matter what). Or Kat isn't prepared to take further risks. I thought the vision was to become self sufficient and exist from money from the accademy? I think we either back this new regime or hope cortèse will return with a new investor. Mopo has said himself that at the moment he is concentrating on the league and will discuss the future in the summer, which I think makes sense. Hopefully he remains and we don't lose too many if any players with the addition, as every one been saying since the start of the season of defenders and now a descent back up goal keeper. ghk230473
  • Score: -1

10:06am Fri 11 Apr 14

Clever Dick says...

To put a positive spin on this article it does seem that the players are willing to stay as long as the vision is there. Morgan is one of the players that the press have already transferred.I'm sure the board and Katharina are intelligent enough to have worked out that there could be a possible mass exodus if the players don't like what they are seeing. If they really mean it when they say that we will be keeping all players that the manager wants to keep then we have another great season ahead. If we lose some and find decent replacements we also have a great season to look forward to .We will be finding out in the next few months. I'm looking forward to our next great season next year either way.
To put a positive spin on this article it does seem that the players are willing to stay as long as the vision is there. Morgan is one of the players that the press have already transferred.I'm sure the board and Katharina are intelligent enough to have worked out that there could be a possible mass exodus if the players don't like what they are seeing. If they really mean it when they say that we will be keeping all players that the manager wants to keep then we have another great season ahead. If we lose some and find decent replacements we also have a great season to look forward to .We will be finding out in the next few months. I'm looking forward to our next great season next year either way. Clever Dick
  • Score: 8

10:13am Fri 11 Apr 14

notaclue says...

Whatever happens KL will do what is best for the club - have we any reason to doubt her after all this time she has owned the club?
Yes I'd like a huge trarnsfer budget but thats exacty happened down the road, instead she is building a solid company on solid foundations and yes there will be money available to spend.
The Swiss and German way of doing business is solid and for the longterm - have faith people, we are in good hands!
Whatever happens KL will do what is best for the club - have we any reason to doubt her after all this time she has owned the club? Yes I'd like a huge trarnsfer budget but thats exacty happened down the road, instead she is building a solid company on solid foundations and yes there will be money available to spend. The Swiss and German way of doing business is solid and for the longterm - have faith people, we are in good hands! notaclue
  • Score: 10

10:18am Fri 11 Apr 14

Rising_Son says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
This is the clearest indication yet that Ralph is not delivering on his promise to be open and transparent. The manager and the players came/stayed here because of the vision Cortese sold them. No matter Cortese has gone the vision must live on. Obviously there has been no communication to this effect from the new board to the manger and players as well as the fans.

Morgan is about the fifth player to come out and state this. When Rickie first did it I jokingly said will it take the whole team to get it through, well we are half way there!

Cortese was on £2m a year and still tendered his resignation. We don't know why but possibly because the club weakened its commitment to the vision and he felt unable to deliver it as a result?

These players would not speak out without MoPos consent possibly even encouragement. They are all saying 'we will stay, we want to stay provided the ambition lives on and the club will continue to invest in the team'.

It's time the board listened and responded.
Do you think any of these players spontaneously and unprompted came out with these comments, or do you think it's because journalists asked them questions about it? I imagine it's the latter, and think you're reading a little too much into it.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: This is the clearest indication yet that Ralph is not delivering on his promise to be open and transparent. The manager and the players came/stayed here because of the vision Cortese sold them. No matter Cortese has gone the vision must live on. Obviously there has been no communication to this effect from the new board to the manger and players as well as the fans. Morgan is about the fifth player to come out and state this. When Rickie first did it I jokingly said will it take the whole team to get it through, well we are half way there! Cortese was on £2m a year and still tendered his resignation. We don't know why but possibly because the club weakened its commitment to the vision and he felt unable to deliver it as a result? These players would not speak out without MoPos consent possibly even encouragement. They are all saying 'we will stay, we want to stay provided the ambition lives on and the club will continue to invest in the team'. It's time the board listened and responded.[/p][/quote]Do you think any of these players spontaneously and unprompted came out with these comments, or do you think it's because journalists asked them questions about it? I imagine it's the latter, and think you're reading a little too much into it. Rising_Son
  • Score: 5

10:24am Fri 11 Apr 14

warrens 76 says...

Few people make a profit in football unless they achieve continuous success then global merchandising to the world's wannabee supporters propel them to another dimension…most have gone bust trying to build the dream…

Leeds are the most high profile indeed Chelsea would be in div 2 now if Bates had not got lucky with Abromovitch flying over the ground!

We are the ONLY club I know of who have achieved so much in such a short time and represent an extremely profitable exercise at the same time..

If Katherina wants to make the big leap then the headstart Saints have in players, facilities, management and Osvalo and Gastons sell on value canceling transfer debts is about as good a springboard as she or anyone will EVER have again…

This talk of financial difficulty is risible, we do not have financial difficulties just about anyone outside of the top four would swap with us..

So it is either stick or twist, if the board blink then the project will unravel and we will never have this springboard again….the ability to break into the big time is at present on asset values alone effectively bankrolled, someone committing their life savings may still be justified in bottling the next step up…for Katrina no such dichotmy exists..stay true to Dad Katerina make us a billonaire club as you are yourself.
Few people make a profit in football unless they achieve continuous success then global merchandising to the world's wannabee supporters propel them to another dimension…most have gone bust trying to build the dream… Leeds are the most high profile indeed Chelsea would be in div 2 now if Bates had not got lucky with Abromovitch flying over the ground! We are the ONLY club I know of who have achieved so much in such a short time and represent an extremely profitable exercise at the same time.. If Katherina wants to make the big leap then the headstart Saints have in players, facilities, management and Osvalo and Gastons sell on value canceling transfer debts is about as good a springboard as she or anyone will EVER have again… This talk of financial difficulty is risible, we do not have financial difficulties just about anyone outside of the top four would swap with us.. So it is either stick or twist, if the board blink then the project will unravel and we will never have this springboard again….the ability to break into the big time is at present on asset values alone effectively bankrolled, someone committing their life savings may still be justified in bottling the next step up…for Katrina no such dichotmy exists..stay true to Dad Katerina make us a billonaire club as you are yourself. warrens 76
  • Score: 16

10:25am Fri 11 Apr 14

devonsaint2 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
This is the clearest indication yet that Ralph is not delivering on his promise to be open and transparent. The manager and the players came/stayed here because of the vision Cortese sold them. No matter Cortese has gone the vision must live on. Obviously there has been no communication to this effect from the new board to the manger and players as well as the fans.

Morgan is about the fifth player to come out and state this. When Rickie first did it I jokingly said will it take the whole team to get it through, well we are half way there!

Cortese was on £2m a year and still tendered his resignation. We don't know why but possibly because the club weakened its commitment to the vision and he felt unable to deliver it as a result?

These players would not speak out without MoPos consent possibly even encouragement. They are all saying 'we will stay, we want to stay provided the ambition lives on and the club will continue to invest in the team'.

It's time the board listened and responded.
Do you think any of these players spontaneously and unprompted came out with these comments, or do you think it's because journalists asked them questions about it? I imagine it's the latter, and think you're reading a little too much into it.
Well said Notaclue and Rising Son

Fans should be patient....why should they tell us everything...not good business practice until a deal is done.

KL or her family has not let anyone down so far...why start questioning her judgement or appointments now...
Ridiculous comments about clarity show very little understanding of the situation.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: This is the clearest indication yet that Ralph is not delivering on his promise to be open and transparent. The manager and the players came/stayed here because of the vision Cortese sold them. No matter Cortese has gone the vision must live on. Obviously there has been no communication to this effect from the new board to the manger and players as well as the fans. Morgan is about the fifth player to come out and state this. When Rickie first did it I jokingly said will it take the whole team to get it through, well we are half way there! Cortese was on £2m a year and still tendered his resignation. We don't know why but possibly because the club weakened its commitment to the vision and he felt unable to deliver it as a result? These players would not speak out without MoPos consent possibly even encouragement. They are all saying 'we will stay, we want to stay provided the ambition lives on and the club will continue to invest in the team'. It's time the board listened and responded.[/p][/quote]Do you think any of these players spontaneously and unprompted came out with these comments, or do you think it's because journalists asked them questions about it? I imagine it's the latter, and think you're reading a little too much into it.[/p][/quote]Well said Notaclue and Rising Son Fans should be patient....why should they tell us everything...not good business practice until a deal is done. KL or her family has not let anyone down so far...why start questioning her judgement or appointments now... Ridiculous comments about clarity show very little understanding of the situation. devonsaint2
  • Score: 11

10:44am Fri 11 Apr 14

Saint. says...

Part of me is hoping that the deal is done! And that targets and work is already being done for next season. If not the new board are really stupid and should not be so casual about things,

Part of me is wondering if it simply a clam period of negotiations of how much and how long a contract and commitments to new contract to forward the club success on the field. The complete vision.

Either way RK could and for me should off sent a massive message of intent not only to Saints fans and players who all want MP to sign a new contract! But to the footballing world that MP is staying, our players are staying and next season we will are going to be even better! In one simple and obvious action RK could of shut up in the main the media pundits and papers, and the DE looking to tear our club apart!!

So RK what are you waiting for? The easiest decision for you to make, and next season starts right now! The fans you say you want to listen to are saying sign MP now! The players are all saying sign MP now!
Part of me is hoping that the deal is done! And that targets and work is already being done for next season. If not the new board are really stupid and should not be so casual about things, Part of me is wondering if it simply a clam period of negotiations of how much and how long a contract and commitments to new contract to forward the club success on the field. The complete vision. Either way RK could and for me should off sent a massive message of intent not only to Saints fans and players who all want MP to sign a new contract! But to the footballing world that MP is staying, our players are staying and next season we will are going to be even better! In one simple and obvious action RK could of shut up in the main the media pundits and papers, and the DE looking to tear our club apart!! So RK what are you waiting for? The easiest decision for you to make, and next season starts right now! The fans you say you want to listen to are saying sign MP now! The players are all saying sign MP now! Saint.
  • Score: 5

10:58am Fri 11 Apr 14

invictus says...

Staplewood cost 30m and not 15m, so that's a commercial real estate investment that has increased the net worth of the club. Why don't the board feed optimism with their actions? We've heard rumours that the stripes are coming back, Saints logo might be changed and a new complete history of Southampton FC is being compiled. But do any of these statements provide purpose and meaning to the vision? The answer is no as we are still awaiting for the vision! Krueger, unleash your inner leader and engage us.
Staplewood cost 30m and not 15m, so that's a commercial real estate investment that has increased the net worth of the club. Why don't the board feed optimism with their actions? We've heard rumours that the stripes are coming back, Saints logo might be changed and a new complete history of Southampton FC is being compiled. But do any of these statements provide purpose and meaning to the vision? The answer is no as we are still awaiting for the vision! Krueger, unleash your inner leader and engage us. invictus
  • Score: 2

11:13am Fri 11 Apr 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Few people make a profit in football unless they achieve continuous success then global merchandising to the world's wannabee supporters propel them to another dimension…most have gone bust trying to build the dream…

Leeds are the most high profile indeed Chelsea would be in div 2 now if Bates had not got lucky with Abromovitch flying over the ground!

We are the ONLY club I know of who have achieved so much in such a short time and represent an extremely profitable exercise at the same time..

If Katherina wants to make the big leap then the headstart Saints have in players, facilities, management and Osvalo and Gastons sell on value canceling transfer debts is about as good a springboard as she or anyone will EVER have again…

This talk of financial difficulty is risible, we do not have financial difficulties just about anyone outside of the top four would swap with us..

So it is either stick or twist, if the board blink then the project will unravel and we will never have this springboard again….the ability to break into the big time is at present on asset values alone effectively bankrolled, someone committing their life savings may still be justified in bottling the next step up…for Katrina no such dichotmy exists..stay true to Dad Katerina make us a billonaire club as you are yourself.
Absolutely spot on.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Few people make a profit in football unless they achieve continuous success then global merchandising to the world's wannabee supporters propel them to another dimension…most have gone bust trying to build the dream… Leeds are the most high profile indeed Chelsea would be in div 2 now if Bates had not got lucky with Abromovitch flying over the ground! We are the ONLY club I know of who have achieved so much in such a short time and represent an extremely profitable exercise at the same time.. If Katherina wants to make the big leap then the headstart Saints have in players, facilities, management and Osvalo and Gastons sell on value canceling transfer debts is about as good a springboard as she or anyone will EVER have again… This talk of financial difficulty is risible, we do not have financial difficulties just about anyone outside of the top four would swap with us.. So it is either stick or twist, if the board blink then the project will unravel and we will never have this springboard again….the ability to break into the big time is at present on asset values alone effectively bankrolled, someone committing their life savings may still be justified in bottling the next step up…for Katrina no such dichotmy exists..stay true to Dad Katerina make us a billonaire club as you are yourself.[/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 9

11:23am Fri 11 Apr 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
This is the clearest indication yet that Ralph is not delivering on his promise to be open and transparent. The manager and the players came/stayed here because of the vision Cortese sold them. No matter Cortese has gone the vision must live on. Obviously there has been no communication to this effect from the new board to the manger and players as well as the fans.

Morgan is about the fifth player to come out and state this. When Rickie first did it I jokingly said will it take the whole team to get it through, well we are half way there!

Cortese was on £2m a year and still tendered his resignation. We don't know why but possibly because the club weakened its commitment to the vision and he felt unable to deliver it as a result?

These players would not speak out without MoPos consent possibly even encouragement. They are all saying 'we will stay, we want to stay provided the ambition lives on and the club will continue to invest in the team'.

It's time the board listened and responded.
What is splitter from previous thread?

I think the £2m that cortèse got paid was performance related, not sure if he would have received that much in following years as our progress has obviously slowed down, we've reached our level IMO.

Some of our big money signings haven't quite worked out, these were made under cortèses watch and he has obviously passed some financial problems on (he will get the blame no matter what). Or Kat isn't prepared to take further risks. I thought the vision was to become self sufficient and exist from money from the accademy?
I think we either back this new regime or hope cortèse will return with a new investor. Mopo has said himself that at the moment he is concentrating on the league and will discuss the future in the summer, which I think makes sense. Hopefully he remains and we don't lose too many if any players with the addition, as every one been saying since the start of the season of defenders and now a descent back up goal keeper.
It was a quote from The Life of Brian following on from the What have the Romans done for us posts.

Cortese's package was drawn up when Markus first purchased the club and linked the CEO's package to the performance of the club and rightly so. In his first year he earned £600k.

This 'we have reached our level' stuff is so negative ffs. Even if you are happy to never push forward I don't think you will find that applies to Adam, Calum, Nat, Luke, Morgan, Jay, Jack etc. If we don't show ambition they will leave and we will slide backwards.
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: This is the clearest indication yet that Ralph is not delivering on his promise to be open and transparent. The manager and the players came/stayed here because of the vision Cortese sold them. No matter Cortese has gone the vision must live on. Obviously there has been no communication to this effect from the new board to the manger and players as well as the fans. Morgan is about the fifth player to come out and state this. When Rickie first did it I jokingly said will it take the whole team to get it through, well we are half way there! Cortese was on £2m a year and still tendered his resignation. We don't know why but possibly because the club weakened its commitment to the vision and he felt unable to deliver it as a result? These players would not speak out without MoPos consent possibly even encouragement. They are all saying 'we will stay, we want to stay provided the ambition lives on and the club will continue to invest in the team'. It's time the board listened and responded.[/p][/quote]What is splitter from previous thread? I think the £2m that cortèse got paid was performance related, not sure if he would have received that much in following years as our progress has obviously slowed down, we've reached our level IMO. Some of our big money signings haven't quite worked out, these were made under cortèses watch and he has obviously passed some financial problems on (he will get the blame no matter what). Or Kat isn't prepared to take further risks. I thought the vision was to become self sufficient and exist from money from the accademy? I think we either back this new regime or hope cortèse will return with a new investor. Mopo has said himself that at the moment he is concentrating on the league and will discuss the future in the summer, which I think makes sense. Hopefully he remains and we don't lose too many if any players with the addition, as every one been saying since the start of the season of defenders and now a descent back up goal keeper.[/p][/quote]It was a quote from The Life of Brian following on from the What have the Romans done for us posts. Cortese's package was drawn up when Markus first purchased the club and linked the CEO's package to the performance of the club and rightly so. In his first year he earned £600k. This 'we have reached our level' stuff is so negative ffs. Even if you are happy to never push forward I don't think you will find that applies to Adam, Calum, Nat, Luke, Morgan, Jay, Jack etc. If we don't show ambition they will leave and we will slide backwards. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 8

11:35am Fri 11 Apr 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

devonsaint2 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
This is the clearest indication yet that Ralph is not delivering on his promise to be open and transparent. The manager and the players came/stayed here because of the vision Cortese sold them. No matter Cortese has gone the vision must live on. Obviously there has been no communication to this effect from the new board to the manger and players as well as the fans.

Morgan is about the fifth player to come out and state this. When Rickie first did it I jokingly said will it take the whole team to get it through, well we are half way there!

Cortese was on £2m a year and still tendered his resignation. We don't know why but possibly because the club weakened its commitment to the vision and he felt unable to deliver it as a result?

These players would not speak out without MoPos consent possibly even encouragement. They are all saying 'we will stay, we want to stay provided the ambition lives on and the club will continue to invest in the team'.

It's time the board listened and responded.
Do you think any of these players spontaneously and unprompted came out with these comments, or do you think it's because journalists asked them questions about it? I imagine it's the latter, and think you're reading a little too much into it.
Well said Notaclue and Rising Son

Fans should be patient....why should they tell us everything...not good business practice until a deal is done.

KL or her family has not let anyone down so far...why start questioning her judgement or appointments now...
Ridiculous comments about clarity show very little understanding of the situation.
Of course these comments have been drawn out by the press. But why are you refusing to listen to a group of players all speaking with one voice? They are clearly saying if the club continues on its pursuit of a top four spot by investing in the team they will stay.

As far as telling us everything and that not being good business practice - I don't think that's what any of us are asking for? A simple statement from Ralph along the lines of:

'There has been some speculation since the change of senior personnel at the club, that is understandable. Let me assure you that this club remains fully focused on its vision to challenge at the very highest level and we will continue to invest and work tirelessly to make that happen.'

That tells us all we need to know without divulging confidential details.
[quote][p][bold]devonsaint2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: This is the clearest indication yet that Ralph is not delivering on his promise to be open and transparent. The manager and the players came/stayed here because of the vision Cortese sold them. No matter Cortese has gone the vision must live on. Obviously there has been no communication to this effect from the new board to the manger and players as well as the fans. Morgan is about the fifth player to come out and state this. When Rickie first did it I jokingly said will it take the whole team to get it through, well we are half way there! Cortese was on £2m a year and still tendered his resignation. We don't know why but possibly because the club weakened its commitment to the vision and he felt unable to deliver it as a result? These players would not speak out without MoPos consent possibly even encouragement. They are all saying 'we will stay, we want to stay provided the ambition lives on and the club will continue to invest in the team'. It's time the board listened and responded.[/p][/quote]Do you think any of these players spontaneously and unprompted came out with these comments, or do you think it's because journalists asked them questions about it? I imagine it's the latter, and think you're reading a little too much into it.[/p][/quote]Well said Notaclue and Rising Son Fans should be patient....why should they tell us everything...not good business practice until a deal is done. KL or her family has not let anyone down so far...why start questioning her judgement or appointments now... Ridiculous comments about clarity show very little understanding of the situation.[/p][/quote]Of course these comments have been drawn out by the press. But why are you refusing to listen to a group of players all speaking with one voice? They are clearly saying if the club continues on its pursuit of a top four spot by investing in the team they will stay. As far as telling us everything and that not being good business practice - I don't think that's what any of us are asking for? A simple statement from Ralph along the lines of: 'There has been some speculation since the change of senior personnel at the club, that is understandable. Let me assure you that this club remains fully focused on its vision to challenge at the very highest level and we will continue to invest and work tirelessly to make that happen.' That tells us all we need to know without divulging confidential details. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 0

11:40am Fri 11 Apr 14

Confucious says...

I'd be happy to pay a lot more for my season tickets if the board announce another cash infusion and a big vision; keep our top players; make some more good signings and push for the top four. And I have no doubt nearly everyone on here would be the same and expect to pay big club prices for big club performance.
I'd be happy to pay a lot more for my season tickets if the board announce another cash infusion and a big vision; keep our top players; make some more good signings and push for the top four. And I have no doubt nearly everyone on here would be the same and expect to pay big club prices for big club performance. Confucious
  • Score: 0

12:07pm Fri 11 Apr 14

redandy10 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
This is the clearest indication yet that Ralph is not delivering on his promise to be open and transparent. The manager and the players came/stayed here because of the vision Cortese sold them. No matter Cortese has gone the vision must live on. Obviously there has been no communication to this effect from the new board to the manger and players as well as the fans.

Morgan is about the fifth player to come out and state this. When Rickie first did it I jokingly said will it take the whole team to get it through, well we are half way there!

Cortese was on £2m a year and still tendered his resignation. We don't know why but possibly because the club weakened its commitment to the vision and he felt unable to deliver it as a result?

These players would not speak out without MoPos consent possibly even encouragement. They are all saying 'we will stay, we want to stay provided the ambition lives on and the club will continue to invest in the team'.

It's time the board listened and responded.
Do you think any of these players spontaneously and unprompted came out with these comments, or do you think it's because journalists asked them questions about it? I imagine it's the latter, and think you're reading a little too much into it.
Seed isn't reading too much into it. Morgan is one of a group of young and very talented players who want to be at an ambitious club. Who cares if a journalist asked him the question or not, it's not relevant! Instead of constantly asking questions, use your eyes and read between the lines, he doesn't want the club to become a selling club or a club that can't keep hold of it's diamond manager. The board need to invest a little more, specifically in a quality CB and forward and we will be a big force to be reckoned with against the top clubs.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: This is the clearest indication yet that Ralph is not delivering on his promise to be open and transparent. The manager and the players came/stayed here because of the vision Cortese sold them. No matter Cortese has gone the vision must live on. Obviously there has been no communication to this effect from the new board to the manger and players as well as the fans. Morgan is about the fifth player to come out and state this. When Rickie first did it I jokingly said will it take the whole team to get it through, well we are half way there! Cortese was on £2m a year and still tendered his resignation. We don't know why but possibly because the club weakened its commitment to the vision and he felt unable to deliver it as a result? These players would not speak out without MoPos consent possibly even encouragement. They are all saying 'we will stay, we want to stay provided the ambition lives on and the club will continue to invest in the team'. It's time the board listened and responded.[/p][/quote]Do you think any of these players spontaneously and unprompted came out with these comments, or do you think it's because journalists asked them questions about it? I imagine it's the latter, and think you're reading a little too much into it.[/p][/quote]Seed isn't reading too much into it. Morgan is one of a group of young and very talented players who want to be at an ambitious club. Who cares if a journalist asked him the question or not, it's not relevant! Instead of constantly asking questions, use your eyes and read between the lines, he doesn't want the club to become a selling club or a club that can't keep hold of it's diamond manager. The board need to invest a little more, specifically in a quality CB and forward and we will be a big force to be reckoned with against the top clubs. redandy10
  • Score: 4

12:18pm Fri 11 Apr 14

redandy10 says...

We are so close to the club achieving something special and establishing itself as one of the top clubs in the Premier Leagur. How often do these opportunities come round? Over the past two years ABOUT £70 million has been invested in players and we've kept hold of our talent. What some of us are saying is let's finish the job off, show some ambition and we'll add a couple players that we need in certain positions, which in turn will help to keep our existing star players as well as MoPo.
We are so close to the club achieving something special and establishing itself as one of the top clubs in the Premier Leagur. How often do these opportunities come round? Over the past two years ABOUT £70 million has been invested in players and we've kept hold of our talent. What some of us are saying is let's finish the job off, show some ambition and we'll add a couple players that we need in certain positions, which in turn will help to keep our existing star players as well as MoPo. redandy10
  • Score: 12

1:01pm Fri 11 Apr 14

george chivers says...

Confucious wrote:
I'd be happy to pay a lot more for my season tickets if the board announce another cash infusion and a big vision; keep our top players; make some more good signings and push for the top four. And I have no doubt nearly everyone on here would be the same and expect to pay big club prices for big club performance.
But what about all the people who don't post on here? I have a feeling the regular posters on here are not typical of the critical mass of supporters in terms of disposable income.

How much more would you be willing to pay 15%?
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: I'd be happy to pay a lot more for my season tickets if the board announce another cash infusion and a big vision; keep our top players; make some more good signings and push for the top four. And I have no doubt nearly everyone on here would be the same and expect to pay big club prices for big club performance.[/p][/quote]But what about all the people who don't post on here? I have a feeling the regular posters on here are not typical of the critical mass of supporters in terms of disposable income. How much more would you be willing to pay 15%? george chivers
  • Score: 0

1:06pm Fri 11 Apr 14

allsaintsnocurves says...

This shows the unity of the players and staff. The players want it to be known that they all play for the manager and want him to stay. This will hopefully reflect in the negotiations the club has with Pochetino in the Summer.

Managers will not just want to know about their own contract Poch will want to know how much money he has to invest as he will know the areas that need strengthening. If he is to be backed in getting the players he wants he will stay i'm sure.
This shows the unity of the players and staff. The players want it to be known that they all play for the manager and want him to stay. This will hopefully reflect in the negotiations the club has with Pochetino in the Summer. Managers will not just want to know about their own contract Poch will want to know how much money he has to invest as he will know the areas that need strengthening. If he is to be backed in getting the players he wants he will stay i'm sure. allsaintsnocurves
  • Score: 7

1:50pm Fri 11 Apr 14

ghk230473 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
This is the clearest indication yet that Ralph is not delivering on his promise to be open and transparent. The manager and the players came/stayed here because of the vision Cortese sold them. No matter Cortese has gone the vision must live on. Obviously there has been no communication to this effect from the new board to the manger and players as well as the fans.

Morgan is about the fifth player to come out and state this. When Rickie first did it I jokingly said will it take the whole team to get it through, well we are half way there!

Cortese was on £2m a year and still tendered his resignation. We don't know why but possibly because the club weakened its commitment to the vision and he felt unable to deliver it as a result?

These players would not speak out without MoPos consent possibly even encouragement. They are all saying 'we will stay, we want to stay provided the ambition lives on and the club will continue to invest in the team'.

It's time the board listened and responded.
What is splitter from previous thread?

I think the £2m that cortèse got paid was performance related, not sure if he would have received that much in following years as our progress has obviously slowed down, we've reached our level IMO.

Some of our big money signings haven't quite worked out, these were made under cortèses watch and he has obviously passed some financial problems on (he will get the blame no matter what). Or Kat isn't prepared to take further risks. I thought the vision was to become self sufficient and exist from money from the accademy?
I think we either back this new regime or hope cortèse will return with a new investor. Mopo has said himself that at the moment he is concentrating on the league and will discuss the future in the summer, which I think makes sense. Hopefully he remains and we don't lose too many if any players with the addition, as every one been saying since the start of the season of defenders and now a descent back up goal keeper.
It was a quote from The Life of Brian following on from the What have the Romans done for us posts.

Cortese's package was drawn up when Markus first purchased the club and linked the CEO's package to the performance of the club and rightly so. In his first year he earned £600k.

This 'we have reached our level' stuff is so negative ffs. Even if you are happy to never push forward I don't think you will find that applies to Adam, Calum, Nat, Luke, Morgan, Jay, Jack etc. If we don't show ambition they will leave and we will slide backwards.
I say 'reached our level as we are not going to repeat our rise of the past seasons.
It is important to keep improving and as we do we are going to sign players with greater ambitions, it's only natural.
In reality though and especially with the size of our stadium and fan base it will take a lot of money to break into the European spots. How much do you expect to spend? I remember in the January transfer window when in the championship I called for us to make signings to guarantee promotion and go for the title. We signed sharp and lee who didn't make many appearances after promotion, which we struggled to make after a lot surge from west ham. I was laughed off the thread (not the 1st time) but now some on here expect these signings now!
Yes keep the manager, it's a must. Try and keep most of the better squad together unless a 'can't turn down offer comes our way. Yes we need to improve the defence but hasn't this been the case all season? But we must be careful how we do this. We have wasted £15m on osvaldo and time, will we recoup the money? Ramirez? Forren? Who has made these signings and what is the policy?
I've said before European football will require us to expand the stadium to help sustain players wages/signings, we will need more players too. Next season I'll be happy with the fa cup and prem league survival, even forth from bottom.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: This is the clearest indication yet that Ralph is not delivering on his promise to be open and transparent. The manager and the players came/stayed here because of the vision Cortese sold them. No matter Cortese has gone the vision must live on. Obviously there has been no communication to this effect from the new board to the manger and players as well as the fans. Morgan is about the fifth player to come out and state this. When Rickie first did it I jokingly said will it take the whole team to get it through, well we are half way there! Cortese was on £2m a year and still tendered his resignation. We don't know why but possibly because the club weakened its commitment to the vision and he felt unable to deliver it as a result? These players would not speak out without MoPos consent possibly even encouragement. They are all saying 'we will stay, we want to stay provided the ambition lives on and the club will continue to invest in the team'. It's time the board listened and responded.[/p][/quote]What is splitter from previous thread? I think the £2m that cortèse got paid was performance related, not sure if he would have received that much in following years as our progress has obviously slowed down, we've reached our level IMO. Some of our big money signings haven't quite worked out, these were made under cortèses watch and he has obviously passed some financial problems on (he will get the blame no matter what). Or Kat isn't prepared to take further risks. I thought the vision was to become self sufficient and exist from money from the accademy? I think we either back this new regime or hope cortèse will return with a new investor. Mopo has said himself that at the moment he is concentrating on the league and will discuss the future in the summer, which I think makes sense. Hopefully he remains and we don't lose too many if any players with the addition, as every one been saying since the start of the season of defenders and now a descent back up goal keeper.[/p][/quote]It was a quote from The Life of Brian following on from the What have the Romans done for us posts. Cortese's package was drawn up when Markus first purchased the club and linked the CEO's package to the performance of the club and rightly so. In his first year he earned £600k. This 'we have reached our level' stuff is so negative ffs. Even if you are happy to never push forward I don't think you will find that applies to Adam, Calum, Nat, Luke, Morgan, Jay, Jack etc. If we don't show ambition they will leave and we will slide backwards.[/p][/quote]I say 'reached our level as we are not going to repeat our rise of the past seasons. It is important to keep improving and as we do we are going to sign players with greater ambitions, it's only natural. In reality though and especially with the size of our stadium and fan base it will take a lot of money to break into the European spots. How much do you expect to spend? I remember in the January transfer window when in the championship I called for us to make signings to guarantee promotion and go for the title. We signed sharp and lee who didn't make many appearances after promotion, which we struggled to make after a lot surge from west ham. I was laughed off the thread (not the 1st time) but now some on here expect these signings now! Yes keep the manager, it's a must. Try and keep most of the better squad together unless a 'can't turn down offer comes our way. Yes we need to improve the defence but hasn't this been the case all season? But we must be careful how we do this. We have wasted £15m on osvaldo and time, will we recoup the money? Ramirez? Forren? Who has made these signings and what is the policy? I've said before European football will require us to expand the stadium to help sustain players wages/signings, we will need more players too. Next season I'll be happy with the fa cup and prem league survival, even forth from bottom. ghk230473
  • Score: 0

2:07pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Rising_Son says...

redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
This is the clearest indication yet that Ralph is not delivering on his promise to be open and transparent. The manager and the players came/stayed here because of the vision Cortese sold them. No matter Cortese has gone the vision must live on. Obviously there has been no communication to this effect from the new board to the manger and players as well as the fans.

Morgan is about the fifth player to come out and state this. When Rickie first did it I jokingly said will it take the whole team to get it through, well we are half way there!

Cortese was on £2m a year and still tendered his resignation. We don't know why but possibly because the club weakened its commitment to the vision and he felt unable to deliver it as a result?

These players would not speak out without MoPos consent possibly even encouragement. They are all saying 'we will stay, we want to stay provided the ambition lives on and the club will continue to invest in the team'.

It's time the board listened and responded.
Do you think any of these players spontaneously and unprompted came out with these comments, or do you think it's because journalists asked them questions about it? I imagine it's the latter, and think you're reading a little too much into it.
Seed isn't reading too much into it. Morgan is one of a group of young and very talented players who want to be at an ambitious club. Who cares if a journalist asked him the question or not, it's not relevant! Instead of constantly asking questions, use your eyes and read between the lines, he doesn't want the club to become a selling club or a club that can't keep hold of it's diamond manager. The board need to invest a little more, specifically in a quality CB and forward and we will be a big force to be reckoned with against the top clubs.
The problem with reading between the lines is that your understanding is likely to be more a product of your imagination or preconceptions than it is of the words and sentences on the lines themselves.

And by the way, I am very aware of who Morgan is and also what he said. I also hope the club keep up the the investment and keep the manager and players.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: This is the clearest indication yet that Ralph is not delivering on his promise to be open and transparent. The manager and the players came/stayed here because of the vision Cortese sold them. No matter Cortese has gone the vision must live on. Obviously there has been no communication to this effect from the new board to the manger and players as well as the fans. Morgan is about the fifth player to come out and state this. When Rickie first did it I jokingly said will it take the whole team to get it through, well we are half way there! Cortese was on £2m a year and still tendered his resignation. We don't know why but possibly because the club weakened its commitment to the vision and he felt unable to deliver it as a result? These players would not speak out without MoPos consent possibly even encouragement. They are all saying 'we will stay, we want to stay provided the ambition lives on and the club will continue to invest in the team'. It's time the board listened and responded.[/p][/quote]Do you think any of these players spontaneously and unprompted came out with these comments, or do you think it's because journalists asked them questions about it? I imagine it's the latter, and think you're reading a little too much into it.[/p][/quote]Seed isn't reading too much into it. Morgan is one of a group of young and very talented players who want to be at an ambitious club. Who cares if a journalist asked him the question or not, it's not relevant! Instead of constantly asking questions, use your eyes and read between the lines, he doesn't want the club to become a selling club or a club that can't keep hold of it's diamond manager. The board need to invest a little more, specifically in a quality CB and forward and we will be a big force to be reckoned with against the top clubs.[/p][/quote]The problem with reading between the lines is that your understanding is likely to be more a product of your imagination or preconceptions than it is of the words and sentences on the lines themselves. And by the way, I am very aware of who Morgan is and also what he said. I also hope the club keep up the the investment and keep the manager and players. Rising_Son
  • Score: 6

2:09pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Confucious says...

george chivers wrote:
Confucious wrote:
I'd be happy to pay a lot more for my season tickets if the board announce another cash infusion and a big vision; keep our top players; make some more good signings and push for the top four. And I have no doubt nearly everyone on here would be the same and expect to pay big club prices for big club performance.
But what about all the people who don't post on here? I have a feeling the regular posters on here are not typical of the critical mass of supporters in terms of disposable income.

How much more would you be willing to pay 15%?
100% or more for a top four place.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: I'd be happy to pay a lot more for my season tickets if the board announce another cash infusion and a big vision; keep our top players; make some more good signings and push for the top four. And I have no doubt nearly everyone on here would be the same and expect to pay big club prices for big club performance.[/p][/quote]But what about all the people who don't post on here? I have a feeling the regular posters on here are not typical of the critical mass of supporters in terms of disposable income. How much more would you be willing to pay 15%?[/p][/quote]100% or more for a top four place. Confucious
  • Score: 0

2:17pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Rising_Son says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
devonsaint2 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
This is the clearest indication yet that Ralph is not delivering on his promise to be open and transparent. The manager and the players came/stayed here because of the vision Cortese sold them. No matter Cortese has gone the vision must live on. Obviously there has been no communication to this effect from the new board to the manger and players as well as the fans.

Morgan is about the fifth player to come out and state this. When Rickie first did it I jokingly said will it take the whole team to get it through, well we are half way there!

Cortese was on £2m a year and still tendered his resignation. We don't know why but possibly because the club weakened its commitment to the vision and he felt unable to deliver it as a result?

These players would not speak out without MoPos consent possibly even encouragement. They are all saying 'we will stay, we want to stay provided the ambition lives on and the club will continue to invest in the team'.

It's time the board listened and responded.
Do you think any of these players spontaneously and unprompted came out with these comments, or do you think it's because journalists asked them questions about it? I imagine it's the latter, and think you're reading a little too much into it.
Well said Notaclue and Rising Son

Fans should be patient....why should they tell us everything...not good business practice until a deal is done.

KL or her family has not let anyone down so far...why start questioning her judgement or appointments now...
Ridiculous comments about clarity show very little understanding of the situation.
Of course these comments have been drawn out by the press. But why are you refusing to listen to a group of players all speaking with one voice? They are clearly saying if the club continues on its pursuit of a top four spot by investing in the team they will stay.

As far as telling us everything and that not being good business practice - I don't think that's what any of us are asking for? A simple statement from Ralph along the lines of:

'There has been some speculation since the change of senior personnel at the club, that is understandable. Let me assure you that this club remains fully focused on its vision to challenge at the very highest level and we will continue to invest and work tirelessly to make that happen.'

That tells us all we need to know without divulging confidential details.
I don't think I'm refusing to listen to what the players are saying. In the context of journalists' questions, they probably have few options for appropriate answers.

The one thing that worries me, as it seems to worry you, is that they don't seem to know what's going to happen, but that doesn't necessarily mean that write facing a mass exodus. Perhaps what separates is our degrees of optimism.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]devonsaint2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: This is the clearest indication yet that Ralph is not delivering on his promise to be open and transparent. The manager and the players came/stayed here because of the vision Cortese sold them. No matter Cortese has gone the vision must live on. Obviously there has been no communication to this effect from the new board to the manger and players as well as the fans. Morgan is about the fifth player to come out and state this. When Rickie first did it I jokingly said will it take the whole team to get it through, well we are half way there! Cortese was on £2m a year and still tendered his resignation. We don't know why but possibly because the club weakened its commitment to the vision and he felt unable to deliver it as a result? These players would not speak out without MoPos consent possibly even encouragement. They are all saying 'we will stay, we want to stay provided the ambition lives on and the club will continue to invest in the team'. It's time the board listened and responded.[/p][/quote]Do you think any of these players spontaneously and unprompted came out with these comments, or do you think it's because journalists asked them questions about it? I imagine it's the latter, and think you're reading a little too much into it.[/p][/quote]Well said Notaclue and Rising Son Fans should be patient....why should they tell us everything...not good business practice until a deal is done. KL or her family has not let anyone down so far...why start questioning her judgement or appointments now... Ridiculous comments about clarity show very little understanding of the situation.[/p][/quote]Of course these comments have been drawn out by the press. But why are you refusing to listen to a group of players all speaking with one voice? They are clearly saying if the club continues on its pursuit of a top four spot by investing in the team they will stay. As far as telling us everything and that not being good business practice - I don't think that's what any of us are asking for? A simple statement from Ralph along the lines of: 'There has been some speculation since the change of senior personnel at the club, that is understandable. Let me assure you that this club remains fully focused on its vision to challenge at the very highest level and we will continue to invest and work tirelessly to make that happen.' That tells us all we need to know without divulging confidential details.[/p][/quote]I don't think I'm refusing to listen to what the players are saying. In the context of journalists' questions, they probably have few options for appropriate answers. The one thing that worries me, as it seems to worry you, is that they don't seem to know what's going to happen, but that doesn't necessarily mean that write facing a mass exodus. Perhaps what separates is our degrees of optimism. Rising_Son
  • Score: 1

2:20pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Rising_Son says...

Write -> we're

Is our -> us is
Write -> we're Is our -> us is Rising_Son
  • Score: -1

2:42pm Fri 11 Apr 14

redandy10 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
This is the clearest indication yet that Ralph is not delivering on his promise to be open and transparent. The manager and the players came/stayed here because of the vision Cortese sold them. No matter Cortese has gone the vision must live on. Obviously there has been no communication to this effect from the new board to the manger and players as well as the fans.

Morgan is about the fifth player to come out and state this. When Rickie first did it I jokingly said will it take the whole team to get it through, well we are half way there!

Cortese was on £2m a year and still tendered his resignation. We don't know why but possibly because the club weakened its commitment to the vision and he felt unable to deliver it as a result?

These players would not speak out without MoPos consent possibly even encouragement. They are all saying 'we will stay, we want to stay provided the ambition lives on and the club will continue to invest in the team'.

It's time the board listened and responded.
Do you think any of these players spontaneously and unprompted came out with these comments, or do you think it's because journalists asked them questions about it? I imagine it's the latter, and think you're reading a little too much into it.
Seed isn't reading too much into it. Morgan is one of a group of young and very talented players who want to be at an ambitious club. Who cares if a journalist asked him the question or not, it's not relevant! Instead of constantly asking questions, use your eyes and read between the lines, he doesn't want the club to become a selling club or a club that can't keep hold of it's diamond manager. The board need to invest a little more, specifically in a quality CB and forward and we will be a big force to be reckoned with against the top clubs.
The problem with reading between the lines is that your understanding is likely to be more a product of your imagination or preconceptions than it is of the words and sentences on the lines themselves.

And by the way, I am very aware of who Morgan is and also what he said. I also hope the club keep up the the investment and keep the manager and players.
So quality players wanting to play for an ambitious club is just a product of my imagination. Think about how silly that sounds! And you say that reading between the lines is a product of my preconceptions, for once why don't you explain your theory. And judging by some of the posts on here, there are quite a few of us with vivid imaginations and lots of preconceptions.

I can't wait for your explanation!!!
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: This is the clearest indication yet that Ralph is not delivering on his promise to be open and transparent. The manager and the players came/stayed here because of the vision Cortese sold them. No matter Cortese has gone the vision must live on. Obviously there has been no communication to this effect from the new board to the manger and players as well as the fans. Morgan is about the fifth player to come out and state this. When Rickie first did it I jokingly said will it take the whole team to get it through, well we are half way there! Cortese was on £2m a year and still tendered his resignation. We don't know why but possibly because the club weakened its commitment to the vision and he felt unable to deliver it as a result? These players would not speak out without MoPos consent possibly even encouragement. They are all saying 'we will stay, we want to stay provided the ambition lives on and the club will continue to invest in the team'. It's time the board listened and responded.[/p][/quote]Do you think any of these players spontaneously and unprompted came out with these comments, or do you think it's because journalists asked them questions about it? I imagine it's the latter, and think you're reading a little too much into it.[/p][/quote]Seed isn't reading too much into it. Morgan is one of a group of young and very talented players who want to be at an ambitious club. Who cares if a journalist asked him the question or not, it's not relevant! Instead of constantly asking questions, use your eyes and read between the lines, he doesn't want the club to become a selling club or a club that can't keep hold of it's diamond manager. The board need to invest a little more, specifically in a quality CB and forward and we will be a big force to be reckoned with against the top clubs.[/p][/quote]The problem with reading between the lines is that your understanding is likely to be more a product of your imagination or preconceptions than it is of the words and sentences on the lines themselves. And by the way, I am very aware of who Morgan is and also what he said. I also hope the club keep up the the investment and keep the manager and players.[/p][/quote]So quality players wanting to play for an ambitious club is just a product of my imagination. Think about how silly that sounds! And you say that reading between the lines is a product of my preconceptions, for once why don't you explain your theory. And judging by some of the posts on here, there are quite a few of us with vivid imaginations and lots of preconceptions. I can't wait for your explanation!!! redandy10
  • Score: -2

2:46pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Dave Juson says...

There are at least two problems with the popular proposition on this thread that we can achieve great things in 2014-15, because: “Hey! We have £80-million to play with”.
One: all the top Continental, never mind leading Premiership, clubs are going to be chasing the same talent with even more money; and two: it’s Katharina Liebherr’s club, so it is her money and she may feel inclined, given the financial expenditure complained about when Nicola Cortese departed, to use it for more prosaic purposes than buying footballers of proven ability.
Hopefully she and the new board will find a happy balance, but from what I have found out about Ralph Krueger (and he does impress me), I would not count on anything obvious, footballwise, to happen this summer.
There are at least two problems with the popular proposition on this thread that we can achieve great things in 2014-15, because: “Hey! We have £80-million to play with”. One: all the top Continental, never mind leading Premiership, clubs are going to be chasing the same talent with even more money; and two: it’s Katharina Liebherr’s club, so it is her money and she may feel inclined, given the financial expenditure complained about when Nicola Cortese departed, to use it for more prosaic purposes than buying footballers of proven ability. Hopefully she and the new board will find a happy balance, but from what I have found out about Ralph Krueger (and he does impress me), I would not count on anything obvious, footballwise, to happen this summer. Dave Juson
  • Score: 0

2:56pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Rising_Son says...

redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
This is the clearest indication yet that Ralph is not delivering on his promise to be open and transparent. The manager and the players came/stayed here because of the vision Cortese sold them. No matter Cortese has gone the vision must live on. Obviously there has been no communication to this effect from the new board to the manger and players as well as the fans.

Morgan is about the fifth player to come out and state this. When Rickie first did it I jokingly said will it take the whole team to get it through, well we are half way there!

Cortese was on £2m a year and still tendered his resignation. We don't know why but possibly because the club weakened its commitment to the vision and he felt unable to deliver it as a result?

These players would not speak out without MoPos consent possibly even encouragement. They are all saying 'we will stay, we want to stay provided the ambition lives on and the club will continue to invest in the team'.

It's time the board listened and responded.
Do you think any of these players spontaneously and unprompted came out with these comments, or do you think it's because journalists asked them questions about it? I imagine it's the latter, and think you're reading a little too much into it.
Seed isn't reading too much into it. Morgan is one of a group of young and very talented players who want to be at an ambitious club. Who cares if a journalist asked him the question or not, it's not relevant! Instead of constantly asking questions, use your eyes and read between the lines, he doesn't want the club to become a selling club or a club that can't keep hold of it's diamond manager. The board need to invest a little more, specifically in a quality CB and forward and we will be a big force to be reckoned with against the top clubs.
The problem with reading between the lines is that your understanding is likely to be more a product of your imagination or preconceptions than it is of the words and sentences on the lines themselves.

And by the way, I am very aware of who Morgan is and also what he said. I also hope the club keep up the the investment and keep the manager and players.
So quality players wanting to play for an ambitious club is just a product of my imagination. Think about how silly that sounds! And you say that reading between the lines is a product of my preconceptions, for once why don't you explain your theory. And judging by some of the posts on here, there are quite a few of us with vivid imaginations and lots of preconceptions.

I can't wait for your explanation!!!
Try reading the lines.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: This is the clearest indication yet that Ralph is not delivering on his promise to be open and transparent. The manager and the players came/stayed here because of the vision Cortese sold them. No matter Cortese has gone the vision must live on. Obviously there has been no communication to this effect from the new board to the manger and players as well as the fans. Morgan is about the fifth player to come out and state this. When Rickie first did it I jokingly said will it take the whole team to get it through, well we are half way there! Cortese was on £2m a year and still tendered his resignation. We don't know why but possibly because the club weakened its commitment to the vision and he felt unable to deliver it as a result? These players would not speak out without MoPos consent possibly even encouragement. They are all saying 'we will stay, we want to stay provided the ambition lives on and the club will continue to invest in the team'. It's time the board listened and responded.[/p][/quote]Do you think any of these players spontaneously and unprompted came out with these comments, or do you think it's because journalists asked them questions about it? I imagine it's the latter, and think you're reading a little too much into it.[/p][/quote]Seed isn't reading too much into it. Morgan is one of a group of young and very talented players who want to be at an ambitious club. Who cares if a journalist asked him the question or not, it's not relevant! Instead of constantly asking questions, use your eyes and read between the lines, he doesn't want the club to become a selling club or a club that can't keep hold of it's diamond manager. The board need to invest a little more, specifically in a quality CB and forward and we will be a big force to be reckoned with against the top clubs.[/p][/quote]The problem with reading between the lines is that your understanding is likely to be more a product of your imagination or preconceptions than it is of the words and sentences on the lines themselves. And by the way, I am very aware of who Morgan is and also what he said. I also hope the club keep up the the investment and keep the manager and players.[/p][/quote]So quality players wanting to play for an ambitious club is just a product of my imagination. Think about how silly that sounds! And you say that reading between the lines is a product of my preconceptions, for once why don't you explain your theory. And judging by some of the posts on here, there are quite a few of us with vivid imaginations and lots of preconceptions. I can't wait for your explanation!!![/p][/quote]Try reading the lines. Rising_Son
  • Score: 2

2:58pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Rising_Son says...

Redandy, Read the lines and you will realise that I never said what what you imagine I did.
Redandy, Read the lines and you will realise that I never said what what you imagine I did. Rising_Son
  • Score: 0

3:04pm Fri 11 Apr 14

redandy10 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
This is the clearest indication yet that Ralph is not delivering on his promise to be open and transparent. The manager and the players came/stayed here because of the vision Cortese sold them. No matter Cortese has gone the vision must live on. Obviously there has been no communication to this effect from the new board to the manger and players as well as the fans.

Morgan is about the fifth player to come out and state this. When Rickie first did it I jokingly said will it take the whole team to get it through, well we are half way there!

Cortese was on £2m a year and still tendered his resignation. We don't know why but possibly because the club weakened its commitment to the vision and he felt unable to deliver it as a result?

These players would not speak out without MoPos consent possibly even encouragement. They are all saying 'we will stay, we want to stay provided the ambition lives on and the club will continue to invest in the team'.

It's time the board listened and responded.
Do you think any of these players spontaneously and unprompted came out with these comments, or do you think it's because journalists asked them questions about it? I imagine it's the latter, and think you're reading a little too much into it.
Seed isn't reading too much into it. Morgan is one of a group of young and very talented players who want to be at an ambitious club. Who cares if a journalist asked him the question or not, it's not relevant! Instead of constantly asking questions, use your eyes and read between the lines, he doesn't want the club to become a selling club or a club that can't keep hold of it's diamond manager. The board need to invest a little more, specifically in a quality CB and forward and we will be a big force to be reckoned with against the top clubs.
The problem with reading between the lines is that your understanding is likely to be more a product of your imagination or preconceptions than it is of the words and sentences on the lines themselves.

And by the way, I am very aware of who Morgan is and also what he said. I also hope the club keep up the the investment and keep the manager and players.
So quality players wanting to play for an ambitious club is just a product of my imagination. Think about how silly that sounds! And you say that reading between the lines is a product of my preconceptions, for once why don't you explain your theory. And judging by some of the posts on here, there are quite a few of us with vivid imaginations and lots of preconceptions.

I can't wait for your explanation!!!
Try reading the lines.
But what do YOU think? Any chance of you actually coughing up a substantial opinion for once, as opposed to a question.

Go on! For once tell us YOUR opinion.

Because you disagreeing with my post says that you think that players and their agents DON'T use the media to send messages to their clubs?

I am suggesting that it's a valuable tool they use to help them get what they want, be it a new contract or a threat that unless new blood is brought in, they'll be off.You honestly don't believe that if we lose MoPo or a top class player, this won't unsettle some of the players, who will start questioning the ambition of the club? Add a sprinkling of agents, with the wiff of commission in their nostrils, to the mix and our hopes for next season won't be as high.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: This is the clearest indication yet that Ralph is not delivering on his promise to be open and transparent. The manager and the players came/stayed here because of the vision Cortese sold them. No matter Cortese has gone the vision must live on. Obviously there has been no communication to this effect from the new board to the manger and players as well as the fans. Morgan is about the fifth player to come out and state this. When Rickie first did it I jokingly said will it take the whole team to get it through, well we are half way there! Cortese was on £2m a year and still tendered his resignation. We don't know why but possibly because the club weakened its commitment to the vision and he felt unable to deliver it as a result? These players would not speak out without MoPos consent possibly even encouragement. They are all saying 'we will stay, we want to stay provided the ambition lives on and the club will continue to invest in the team'. It's time the board listened and responded.[/p][/quote]Do you think any of these players spontaneously and unprompted came out with these comments, or do you think it's because journalists asked them questions about it? I imagine it's the latter, and think you're reading a little too much into it.[/p][/quote]Seed isn't reading too much into it. Morgan is one of a group of young and very talented players who want to be at an ambitious club. Who cares if a journalist asked him the question or not, it's not relevant! Instead of constantly asking questions, use your eyes and read between the lines, he doesn't want the club to become a selling club or a club that can't keep hold of it's diamond manager. The board need to invest a little more, specifically in a quality CB and forward and we will be a big force to be reckoned with against the top clubs.[/p][/quote]The problem with reading between the lines is that your understanding is likely to be more a product of your imagination or preconceptions than it is of the words and sentences on the lines themselves. And by the way, I am very aware of who Morgan is and also what he said. I also hope the club keep up the the investment and keep the manager and players.[/p][/quote]So quality players wanting to play for an ambitious club is just a product of my imagination. Think about how silly that sounds! And you say that reading between the lines is a product of my preconceptions, for once why don't you explain your theory. And judging by some of the posts on here, there are quite a few of us with vivid imaginations and lots of preconceptions. I can't wait for your explanation!!![/p][/quote]Try reading the lines.[/p][/quote]But what do YOU think? Any chance of you actually coughing up a substantial opinion for once, as opposed to a question. Go on! For once tell us YOUR opinion. Because you disagreeing with my post says that you think that players and their agents DON'T use the media to send messages to their clubs? I am suggesting that it's a valuable tool they use to help them get what they want, be it a new contract or a threat that unless new blood is brought in, they'll be off.You honestly don't believe that if we lose MoPo or a top class player, this won't unsettle some of the players, who will start questioning the ambition of the club? Add a sprinkling of agents, with the wiff of commission in their nostrils, to the mix and our hopes for next season won't be as high. redandy10
  • Score: 1

3:16pm Fri 11 Apr 14

StElsass says...

£80m may seem like a lot of money. Take away the wages (£48m if I remember right) and the £27m we owe in transfer money and suddenly what's left won't even get you an average defender.
It seems to me that everything hinges on the willingness of KL to put more money in (or not).
Interesting summer ahead, indeed.
£80m may seem like a lot of money. Take away the wages (£48m if I remember right) and the £27m we owe in transfer money and suddenly what's left won't even get you an average defender. It seems to me that everything hinges on the willingness of KL to put more money in (or not). Interesting summer ahead, indeed. StElsass
  • Score: -3

3:17pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

We don't need to bicker over this, we all want the same thing.

I am an optimist, and I have never been so optimistic as these last few seasons, well not since the early to mid eighties, about the Saints. I am also a realist and am reading the actual quotes of our players, manager and directors.

It is a fact that the directors have used words like 'awkward' and 'difficult' referring to our financial position which is in fact total cobblers. It is a fact that Cortese resigned from a highly paid roll that he loved doing and once stated would be his last ever job. It is a fact that several players have felt the need to call upon the club to show their commitment and then they will stay.

Maybe I am reading too much into it. But it is either p1ss poor communication by the club to its employees and customers - despite promising the opposite. Or it is because they no longer have the same commitment to the vision.
We don't need to bicker over this, we all want the same thing. I am an optimist, and I have never been so optimistic as these last few seasons, well not since the early to mid eighties, about the Saints. I am also a realist and am reading the actual quotes of our players, manager and directors. It is a fact that the directors have used words like 'awkward' and 'difficult' referring to our financial position which is in fact total cobblers. It is a fact that Cortese resigned from a highly paid roll that he loved doing and once stated would be his last ever job. It is a fact that several players have felt the need to call upon the club to show their commitment and then they will stay. Maybe I am reading too much into it. But it is either p1ss poor communication by the club to its employees and customers - despite promising the opposite. Or it is because they no longer have the same commitment to the vision. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 3

3:32pm Fri 11 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Being at the tail end of a very good Season, I am prepared to wait 'til the end of it before speculating how we are going to progress. When I see more evidence I will comment then, I haven't got enough feedback to be confident that we will continue at the pace we have been experiencing, I have no problem with consolidation, but it shouldn't be the ultimate ambition.
Being at the tail end of a very good Season, I am prepared to wait 'til the end of it before speculating how we are going to progress. When I see more evidence I will comment then, I haven't got enough feedback to be confident that we will continue at the pace we have been experiencing, I have no problem with consolidation, but it shouldn't be the ultimate ambition. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 6

3:34pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Rising_Son says...

redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
This is the clearest indication yet that Ralph is not delivering on his promise to be open and transparent. The manager and the players came/stayed here because of the vision Cortese sold them. No matter Cortese has gone the vision must live on. Obviously there has been no communication to this effect from the new board to the manger and players as well as the fans.

Morgan is about the fifth player to come out and state this. When Rickie first did it I jokingly said will it take the whole team to get it through, well we are half way there!

Cortese was on £2m a year and still tendered his resignation. We don't know why but possibly because the club weakened its commitment to the vision and he felt unable to deliver it as a result?

These players would not speak out without MoPos consent possibly even encouragement. They are all saying 'we will stay, we want to stay provided the ambition lives on and the club will continue to invest in the team'.

It's time the board listened and responded.
Do you think any of these players spontaneously and unprompted came out with these comments, or do you think it's because journalists asked them questions about it? I imagine it's the latter, and think you're reading a little too much into it.
Seed isn't reading too much into it. Morgan is one of a group of young and very talented players who want to be at an ambitious club. Who cares if a journalist asked him the question or not, it's not relevant! Instead of constantly asking questions, use your eyes and read between the lines, he doesn't want the club to become a selling club or a club that can't keep hold of it's diamond manager. The board need to invest a little more, specifically in a quality CB and forward and we will be a big force to be reckoned with against the top clubs.
The problem with reading between the lines is that your understanding is likely to be more a product of your imagination or preconceptions than it is of the words and sentences on the lines themselves.

And by the way, I am very aware of who Morgan is and also what he said. I also hope the club keep up the the investment and keep the manager and players.
So quality players wanting to play for an ambitious club is just a product of my imagination. Think about how silly that sounds! And you say that reading between the lines is a product of my preconceptions, for once why don't you explain your theory. And judging by some of the posts on here, there are quite a few of us with vivid imaginations and lots of preconceptions.

I can't wait for your explanation!!!
Try reading the lines.
But what do YOU think? Any chance of you actually coughing up a substantial opinion for once, as opposed to a question.

Go on! For once tell us YOUR opinion.

Because you disagreeing with my post says that you think that players and their agents DON'T use the media to send messages to their clubs?

I am suggesting that it's a valuable tool they use to help them get what they want, be it a new contract or a threat that unless new blood is brought in, they'll be off.You honestly don't believe that if we lose MoPo or a top class player, this won't unsettle some of the players, who will start questioning the ambition of the club? Add a sprinkling of agents, with the wiff of commission in their nostrils, to the mix and our hopes for next season won't be as high.
Erm, I don't think I've actually asked you any questions, or disagreed with you.

I'm fairly optimistic that PM will stay, the team will stay together, we will get a couple of new signings, and next season will be another good one. Of course, I could be very wrong.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: This is the clearest indication yet that Ralph is not delivering on his promise to be open and transparent. The manager and the players came/stayed here because of the vision Cortese sold them. No matter Cortese has gone the vision must live on. Obviously there has been no communication to this effect from the new board to the manger and players as well as the fans. Morgan is about the fifth player to come out and state this. When Rickie first did it I jokingly said will it take the whole team to get it through, well we are half way there! Cortese was on £2m a year and still tendered his resignation. We don't know why but possibly because the club weakened its commitment to the vision and he felt unable to deliver it as a result? These players would not speak out without MoPos consent possibly even encouragement. They are all saying 'we will stay, we want to stay provided the ambition lives on and the club will continue to invest in the team'. It's time the board listened and responded.[/p][/quote]Do you think any of these players spontaneously and unprompted came out with these comments, or do you think it's because journalists asked them questions about it? I imagine it's the latter, and think you're reading a little too much into it.[/p][/quote]Seed isn't reading too much into it. Morgan is one of a group of young and very talented players who want to be at an ambitious club. Who cares if a journalist asked him the question or not, it's not relevant! Instead of constantly asking questions, use your eyes and read between the lines, he doesn't want the club to become a selling club or a club that can't keep hold of it's diamond manager. The board need to invest a little more, specifically in a quality CB and forward and we will be a big force to be reckoned with against the top clubs.[/p][/quote]The problem with reading between the lines is that your understanding is likely to be more a product of your imagination or preconceptions than it is of the words and sentences on the lines themselves. And by the way, I am very aware of who Morgan is and also what he said. I also hope the club keep up the the investment and keep the manager and players.[/p][/quote]So quality players wanting to play for an ambitious club is just a product of my imagination. Think about how silly that sounds! And you say that reading between the lines is a product of my preconceptions, for once why don't you explain your theory. And judging by some of the posts on here, there are quite a few of us with vivid imaginations and lots of preconceptions. I can't wait for your explanation!!![/p][/quote]Try reading the lines.[/p][/quote]But what do YOU think? Any chance of you actually coughing up a substantial opinion for once, as opposed to a question. Go on! For once tell us YOUR opinion. Because you disagreeing with my post says that you think that players and their agents DON'T use the media to send messages to their clubs? I am suggesting that it's a valuable tool they use to help them get what they want, be it a new contract or a threat that unless new blood is brought in, they'll be off.You honestly don't believe that if we lose MoPo or a top class player, this won't unsettle some of the players, who will start questioning the ambition of the club? Add a sprinkling of agents, with the wiff of commission in their nostrils, to the mix and our hopes for next season won't be as high.[/p][/quote]Erm, I don't think I've actually asked you any questions, or disagreed with you. I'm fairly optimistic that PM will stay, the team will stay together, we will get a couple of new signings, and next season will be another good one. Of course, I could be very wrong. Rising_Son
  • Score: 3

3:36pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Confucious says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
We don't need to bicker over this, we all want the same thing.

I am an optimist, and I have never been so optimistic as these last few seasons, well not since the early to mid eighties, about the Saints. I am also a realist and am reading the actual quotes of our players, manager and directors.

It is a fact that the directors have used words like 'awkward' and 'difficult' referring to our financial position which is in fact total cobblers. It is a fact that Cortese resigned from a highly paid roll that he loved doing and once stated would be his last ever job. It is a fact that several players have felt the need to call upon the club to show their commitment and then they will stay.

Maybe I am reading too much into it. But it is either p1ss poor communication by the club to its employees and customers - despite promising the opposite. Or it is because they no longer have the same commitment to the vision.
By far the strangest thing about the argument on here today is that no-one - absolutely no-one - has blamed Guly.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: We don't need to bicker over this, we all want the same thing. I am an optimist, and I have never been so optimistic as these last few seasons, well not since the early to mid eighties, about the Saints. I am also a realist and am reading the actual quotes of our players, manager and directors. It is a fact that the directors have used words like 'awkward' and 'difficult' referring to our financial position which is in fact total cobblers. It is a fact that Cortese resigned from a highly paid roll that he loved doing and once stated would be his last ever job. It is a fact that several players have felt the need to call upon the club to show their commitment and then they will stay. Maybe I am reading too much into it. But it is either p1ss poor communication by the club to its employees and customers - despite promising the opposite. Or it is because they no longer have the same commitment to the vision.[/p][/quote]By far the strangest thing about the argument on here today is that no-one - absolutely no-one - has blamed Guly. Confucious
  • Score: 5

3:38pm Fri 11 Apr 14

StElsass says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
We don't need to bicker over this, we all want the same thing.

I am an optimist, and I have never been so optimistic as these last few seasons, well not since the early to mid eighties, about the Saints. I am also a realist and am reading the actual quotes of our players, manager and directors.

It is a fact that the directors have used words like 'awkward' and 'difficult' referring to our financial position which is in fact total cobblers. It is a fact that Cortese resigned from a highly paid roll that he loved doing and once stated would be his last ever job. It is a fact that several players have felt the need to call upon the club to show their commitment and then they will stay.

Maybe I am reading too much into it. But it is either p1ss poor communication by the club to its employees and customers - despite promising the opposite. Or it is because they no longer have the same commitment to the vision.
MP keeps saying that he will discuss his contract once the season is over.
So you could read into this either:
1. That he's not committing, therefore it means he's going to Spurs (like most London Newspapers and websites)
or 2. It means just that. He will discuss his contract after the end of the season
I'd go for 2 because:
1. It makes sense
and 2. We don't have a choice but to wait and see anyway.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: We don't need to bicker over this, we all want the same thing. I am an optimist, and I have never been so optimistic as these last few seasons, well not since the early to mid eighties, about the Saints. I am also a realist and am reading the actual quotes of our players, manager and directors. It is a fact that the directors have used words like 'awkward' and 'difficult' referring to our financial position which is in fact total cobblers. It is a fact that Cortese resigned from a highly paid roll that he loved doing and once stated would be his last ever job. It is a fact that several players have felt the need to call upon the club to show their commitment and then they will stay. Maybe I am reading too much into it. But it is either p1ss poor communication by the club to its employees and customers - despite promising the opposite. Or it is because they no longer have the same commitment to the vision.[/p][/quote]MP keeps saying that he will discuss his contract once the season is over. So you could read into this either: 1. That he's not committing, therefore it means he's going to Spurs (like most London Newspapers and websites) or 2. It means just that. He will discuss his contract after the end of the season I'd go for 2 because: 1. It makes sense and 2. We don't have a choice but to wait and see anyway. StElsass
  • Score: 4

3:45pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Being at the tail end of a very good Season, I am prepared to wait 'til the end of it before speculating how we are going to progress. When I see more evidence I will comment then, I haven't got enough feedback to be confident that we will continue at the pace we have been experiencing, I have no problem with consolidation, but it shouldn't be the ultimate ambition.
Ambition now is to try to reel in the top seven one at a time. We are 11 points behind sixth place and that's a lot to make up to gain just two places. Previous ambition was consecutive promotions followed by staying in the Prem, now it's one place at a time and arguably harder than those previous seasons.

Some say why should Kat fund further improvement, and that's a very fair point. It's up to her at the end of the day, of course if she doesn't fancy it then she could sell to someone who does and trouser a very healthy profit on her fathers investment.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Being at the tail end of a very good Season, I am prepared to wait 'til the end of it before speculating how we are going to progress. When I see more evidence I will comment then, I haven't got enough feedback to be confident that we will continue at the pace we have been experiencing, I have no problem with consolidation, but it shouldn't be the ultimate ambition.[/p][/quote]Ambition now is to try to reel in the top seven one at a time. We are 11 points behind sixth place and that's a lot to make up to gain just two places. Previous ambition was consecutive promotions followed by staying in the Prem, now it's one place at a time and arguably harder than those previous seasons. Some say why should Kat fund further improvement, and that's a very fair point. It's up to her at the end of the day, of course if she doesn't fancy it then she could sell to someone who does and trouser a very healthy profit on her fathers investment. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 3

3:48pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Mush On The Beach says...

I hope the SFC Executive are working hard behind the scenes to give the manager and the team the right support and incentive to continue on this amazing journey next season and beyond. They’ve had their initial introduction and business speak pow wow ... Now is the time to deliver Ralph, what’s your plans?

Ralph, as one motivational speaker to another, I’ve taken the liberty of writing your next speech to the masses of Saints fans around the world, give it a go.

Fellow mushes, I guarantee we will never be as sh!t and as pathetic losers as those sad blue few skunts down the road. Europe within 3 years.
A smelly fish rots from the head down to the tail! ..... COYR!
I hope the SFC Executive are working hard behind the scenes to give the manager and the team the right support and incentive to continue on this amazing journey next season and beyond. They’ve had their initial introduction and business speak pow wow ... Now is the time to deliver Ralph, what’s your plans? Ralph, as one motivational speaker to another, I’ve taken the liberty of writing your next speech to the masses of Saints fans around the world, give it a go. Fellow mushes, I guarantee we will never be as sh!t and as pathetic losers as those sad blue few skunts down the road. Europe within 3 years. A smelly fish rots from the head down to the tail! ..... COYR! Mush On The Beach
  • Score: 5

3:53pm Fri 11 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Confucious wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
We don't need to bicker over this, we all want the same thing.

I am an optimist, and I have never been so optimistic as these last few seasons, well not since the early to mid eighties, about the Saints. I am also a realist and am reading the actual quotes of our players, manager and directors.

It is a fact that the directors have used words like 'awkward' and 'difficult' referring to our financial position which is in fact total cobblers. It is a fact that Cortese resigned from a highly paid roll that he loved doing and once stated would be his last ever job. It is a fact that several players have felt the need to call upon the club to show their commitment and then they will stay.

Maybe I am reading too much into it. But it is either p1ss poor communication by the club to its employees and customers - despite promising the opposite. Or it is because they no longer have the same commitment to the vision.
By far the strangest thing about the argument on here today is that no-one - absolutely no-one - has blamed Guly.
He has to be part of the equation, if he wants out it could start an exodus and then we really would be justified in blaming him for starting the rot, I say he should stay, just to take the heat off of the rest. If we are blaming Guly and Hoover then the others can relax.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: We don't need to bicker over this, we all want the same thing. I am an optimist, and I have never been so optimistic as these last few seasons, well not since the early to mid eighties, about the Saints. I am also a realist and am reading the actual quotes of our players, manager and directors. It is a fact that the directors have used words like 'awkward' and 'difficult' referring to our financial position which is in fact total cobblers. It is a fact that Cortese resigned from a highly paid roll that he loved doing and once stated would be his last ever job. It is a fact that several players have felt the need to call upon the club to show their commitment and then they will stay. Maybe I am reading too much into it. But it is either p1ss poor communication by the club to its employees and customers - despite promising the opposite. Or it is because they no longer have the same commitment to the vision.[/p][/quote]By far the strangest thing about the argument on here today is that no-one - absolutely no-one - has blamed Guly.[/p][/quote]He has to be part of the equation, if he wants out it could start an exodus and then we really would be justified in blaming him for starting the rot, I say he should stay, just to take the heat off of the rest. If we are blaming Guly and Hoover then the others can relax. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

3:55pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

StElsass wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
We don't need to bicker over this, we all want the same thing.

I am an optimist, and I have never been so optimistic as these last few seasons, well not since the early to mid eighties, about the Saints. I am also a realist and am reading the actual quotes of our players, manager and directors.

It is a fact that the directors have used words like 'awkward' and 'difficult' referring to our financial position which is in fact total cobblers. It is a fact that Cortese resigned from a highly paid roll that he loved doing and once stated would be his last ever job. It is a fact that several players have felt the need to call upon the club to show their commitment and then they will stay.

Maybe I am reading too much into it. But it is either p1ss poor communication by the club to its employees and customers - despite promising the opposite. Or it is because they no longer have the same commitment to the vision.
MP keeps saying that he will discuss his contract once the season is over.
So you could read into this either:
1. That he's not committing, therefore it means he's going to Spurs (like most London Newspapers and websites)
or 2. It means just that. He will discuss his contract after the end of the season
I'd go for 2 because:
1. It makes sense
and 2. We don't have a choice but to wait and see anyway.
I prefer to think that he wants to stay and is deeply committed to this project but is waiting for assurances on the available war chest. He maybe saying wait until the end of the season - but he isn't telling his players to shut up in front of the media.

We needed a CB and striker which is why we bought Forren and Osvaldo - nothing has changed we still need those two positions filling. If they had worked out and Jay hadn't had such an appalling injury we probably could have settled for just a keeper this summer with a total spend of under £10m.
[quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: We don't need to bicker over this, we all want the same thing. I am an optimist, and I have never been so optimistic as these last few seasons, well not since the early to mid eighties, about the Saints. I am also a realist and am reading the actual quotes of our players, manager and directors. It is a fact that the directors have used words like 'awkward' and 'difficult' referring to our financial position which is in fact total cobblers. It is a fact that Cortese resigned from a highly paid roll that he loved doing and once stated would be his last ever job. It is a fact that several players have felt the need to call upon the club to show their commitment and then they will stay. Maybe I am reading too much into it. But it is either p1ss poor communication by the club to its employees and customers - despite promising the opposite. Or it is because they no longer have the same commitment to the vision.[/p][/quote]MP keeps saying that he will discuss his contract once the season is over. So you could read into this either: 1. That he's not committing, therefore it means he's going to Spurs (like most London Newspapers and websites) or 2. It means just that. He will discuss his contract after the end of the season I'd go for 2 because: 1. It makes sense and 2. We don't have a choice but to wait and see anyway.[/p][/quote]I prefer to think that he wants to stay and is deeply committed to this project but is waiting for assurances on the available war chest. He maybe saying wait until the end of the season - but he isn't telling his players to shut up in front of the media. We needed a CB and striker which is why we bought Forren and Osvaldo - nothing has changed we still need those two positions filling. If they had worked out and Jay hadn't had such an appalling injury we probably could have settled for just a keeper this summer with a total spend of under £10m. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 3

3:55pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Rising_Son says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Being at the tail end of a very good Season, I am prepared to wait 'til the end of it before speculating how we are going to progress. When I see more evidence I will comment then, I haven't got enough feedback to be confident that we will continue at the pace we have been experiencing, I have no problem with consolidation, but it shouldn't be the ultimate ambition.
Ambition now is to try to reel in the top seven one at a time. We are 11 points behind sixth place and that's a lot to make up to gain just two places. Previous ambition was consecutive promotions followed by staying in the Prem, now it's one place at a time and arguably harder than those previous seasons.

Some say why should Kat fund further improvement, and that's a very fair point. It's up to her at the end of the day, of course if she doesn't fancy it then she could sell to someone who does and trouser a very healthy profit on her fathers investment.
Ambition has made the last few seasons unbelievably exciting. It would be very sad if we gave it up. Somehow, I don't think we will, but we might have to get used to slower upward progress.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Being at the tail end of a very good Season, I am prepared to wait 'til the end of it before speculating how we are going to progress. When I see more evidence I will comment then, I haven't got enough feedback to be confident that we will continue at the pace we have been experiencing, I have no problem with consolidation, but it shouldn't be the ultimate ambition.[/p][/quote]Ambition now is to try to reel in the top seven one at a time. We are 11 points behind sixth place and that's a lot to make up to gain just two places. Previous ambition was consecutive promotions followed by staying in the Prem, now it's one place at a time and arguably harder than those previous seasons. Some say why should Kat fund further improvement, and that's a very fair point. It's up to her at the end of the day, of course if she doesn't fancy it then she could sell to someone who does and trouser a very healthy profit on her fathers investment.[/p][/quote]Ambition has made the last few seasons unbelievably exciting. It would be very sad if we gave it up. Somehow, I don't think we will, but we might have to get used to slower upward progress. Rising_Son
  • Score: 1

4:03pm Fri 11 Apr 14

StElsass says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
StElsass wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
We don't need to bicker over this, we all want the same thing.

I am an optimist, and I have never been so optimistic as these last few seasons, well not since the early to mid eighties, about the Saints. I am also a realist and am reading the actual quotes of our players, manager and directors.

It is a fact that the directors have used words like 'awkward' and 'difficult' referring to our financial position which is in fact total cobblers. It is a fact that Cortese resigned from a highly paid roll that he loved doing and once stated would be his last ever job. It is a fact that several players have felt the need to call upon the club to show their commitment and then they will stay.

Maybe I am reading too much into it. But it is either p1ss poor communication by the club to its employees and customers - despite promising the opposite. Or it is because they no longer have the same commitment to the vision.
MP keeps saying that he will discuss his contract once the season is over.
So you could read into this either:
1. That he's not committing, therefore it means he's going to Spurs (like most London Newspapers and websites)
or 2. It means just that. He will discuss his contract after the end of the season
I'd go for 2 because:
1. It makes sense
and 2. We don't have a choice but to wait and see anyway.
I prefer to think that he wants to stay and is deeply committed to this project but is waiting for assurances on the available war chest. He maybe saying wait until the end of the season - but he isn't telling his players to shut up in front of the media.

We needed a CB and striker which is why we bought Forren and Osvaldo - nothing has changed we still need those two positions filling. If they had worked out and Jay hadn't had such an appalling injury we probably could have settled for just a keeper this summer with a total spend of under £10m.
There is no doubt that the squad needs heavy investment and that the money will have to come from the Liebherr cheque book. I am sure that will be part of the discussion. After the season ends :0)
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: We don't need to bicker over this, we all want the same thing. I am an optimist, and I have never been so optimistic as these last few seasons, well not since the early to mid eighties, about the Saints. I am also a realist and am reading the actual quotes of our players, manager and directors. It is a fact that the directors have used words like 'awkward' and 'difficult' referring to our financial position which is in fact total cobblers. It is a fact that Cortese resigned from a highly paid roll that he loved doing and once stated would be his last ever job. It is a fact that several players have felt the need to call upon the club to show their commitment and then they will stay. Maybe I am reading too much into it. But it is either p1ss poor communication by the club to its employees and customers - despite promising the opposite. Or it is because they no longer have the same commitment to the vision.[/p][/quote]MP keeps saying that he will discuss his contract once the season is over. So you could read into this either: 1. That he's not committing, therefore it means he's going to Spurs (like most London Newspapers and websites) or 2. It means just that. He will discuss his contract after the end of the season I'd go for 2 because: 1. It makes sense and 2. We don't have a choice but to wait and see anyway.[/p][/quote]I prefer to think that he wants to stay and is deeply committed to this project but is waiting for assurances on the available war chest. He maybe saying wait until the end of the season - but he isn't telling his players to shut up in front of the media. We needed a CB and striker which is why we bought Forren and Osvaldo - nothing has changed we still need those two positions filling. If they had worked out and Jay hadn't had such an appalling injury we probably could have settled for just a keeper this summer with a total spend of under £10m.[/p][/quote]There is no doubt that the squad needs heavy investment and that the money will have to come from the Liebherr cheque book. I am sure that will be part of the discussion. After the season ends :0) StElsass
  • Score: 2

4:26pm Fri 11 Apr 14

devonsaint2 says...

StElsass wrote:
£80m may seem like a lot of money. Take away the wages (£48m if I remember right) and the £27m we owe in transfer money and suddenly what's left won't even get you an average defender.
It seems to me that everything hinges on the willingness of KL to put more money in (or not).
Interesting summer ahead, indeed.
What about gate receipts, commercial deals and sales of players
[quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: £80m may seem like a lot of money. Take away the wages (£48m if I remember right) and the £27m we owe in transfer money and suddenly what's left won't even get you an average defender. It seems to me that everything hinges on the willingness of KL to put more money in (or not). Interesting summer ahead, indeed.[/p][/quote]What about gate receipts, commercial deals and sales of players devonsaint2
  • Score: 1

5:13pm Fri 11 Apr 14

figure11 says...

The situation reminds me a bit of 2003.
8th position, FA cup final, and a certain wee GS asking for a financial commitment to bring Saints to the next level.
We all know what happened after that!
The situation reminds me a bit of 2003. 8th position, FA cup final, and a certain wee GS asking for a financial commitment to bring Saints to the next level. We all know what happened after that! figure11
  • Score: 0

5:29pm Fri 11 Apr 14

SaintinCanada says...

devonsaint2 wrote:
StElsass wrote:
£80m may seem like a lot of money. Take away the wages (£48m if I remember right) and the £27m we owe in transfer money and suddenly what's left won't even get you an average defender.
It seems to me that everything hinges on the willingness of KL to put more money in (or not).
Interesting summer ahead, indeed.
What about gate receipts, commercial deals and sales of players
I was just about t say that.
[quote][p][bold]devonsaint2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: £80m may seem like a lot of money. Take away the wages (£48m if I remember right) and the £27m we owe in transfer money and suddenly what's left won't even get you an average defender. It seems to me that everything hinges on the willingness of KL to put more money in (or not). Interesting summer ahead, indeed.[/p][/quote]What about gate receipts, commercial deals and sales of players[/p][/quote]I was just about t say that. SaintinCanada
  • Score: -1

5:53pm Fri 11 Apr 14

ghk230473 says...

figure11 wrote:
The situation reminds me a bit of 2003.
8th position, FA cup final, and a certain wee GS asking for a financial commitment to bring Saints to the next level.
We all know what happened after that!
I think we've been spoilt, sometimes it's more interesting being in the relegation dog fight. The season goes right to the wire and by the end if you survive makes you feel like you've been promoted! You appreciate things more.
We are on the cusp of something with this present starting 11 and the promising bunch coming thru the accademy, IMO it will cost quite a bit to gain an European place though.
I think some are being premature (not for the 1st time)! Fearing the worse of this new board.
[quote][p][bold]figure11[/bold] wrote: The situation reminds me a bit of 2003. 8th position, FA cup final, and a certain wee GS asking for a financial commitment to bring Saints to the next level. We all know what happened after that![/p][/quote]I think we've been spoilt, sometimes it's more interesting being in the relegation dog fight. The season goes right to the wire and by the end if you survive makes you feel like you've been promoted! You appreciate things more. We are on the cusp of something with this present starting 11 and the promising bunch coming thru the accademy, IMO it will cost quite a bit to gain an European place though. I think some are being premature (not for the 1st time)! Fearing the worse of this new board. ghk230473
  • Score: -5

6:00pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Wheeled1 says...

Ralph has only been in post for a month and so is probably still getting everything as he and KL wants.

It has been mentioned that his "open communication" policy hasn't reached the staff (players), but when did Morgan, and the other players, say what was said? if not recent, Ralph may have updated them as to the direction he sees the club going since their comments.

In the last 2 seasons Saints have climbed 8 and 6 places (assuming we stay 8th), and so a top 6 place could be possible next season.

I am sure Ralph or KL will update supporters soon, once they know what is achievable.
Ralph has only been in post for a month and so is probably still getting everything as he and KL wants. It has been mentioned that his "open communication" policy hasn't reached the staff (players), but when did Morgan, and the other players, say what was said? if not recent, Ralph may have updated them as to the direction he sees the club going since their comments. In the last 2 seasons Saints have climbed 8 and 6 places (assuming we stay 8th), and so a top 6 place could be possible next season. I am sure Ralph or KL will update supporters soon, once they know what is achievable. Wheeled1
  • Score: -2

6:10pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Clever Dick says...

SaintinCanada wrote:
devonsaint2 wrote:
StElsass wrote:
£80m may seem like a lot of money. Take away the wages (£48m if I remember right) and the £27m we owe in transfer money and suddenly what's left won't even get you an average defender.
It seems to me that everything hinges on the willingness of KL to put more money in (or not).
Interesting summer ahead, indeed.
What about gate receipts, commercial deals and sales of players
I was just about t say that.
In addition to that we don't have to pay all £27mil in one go. Isn't the figure this year £22mil. We have also got rid of a fair amount of dead wood recently. These players could easily have been on 10k to 15k a week each as they are the remnants of those long distant Championship days.Guly must be on prem money and I'd imagine that is a wage we will be saving too. I think his contract is up fairly soon. Also I can't see why the £22 million could not be turned into a loan payable over say 5 years. I doubt a club with so much in the way of assets and owned by a billionaires would be viewed as too much of a risk. Then of course we can move on some players if we wish. Gaston and dopey Dani seem the most popular choices. Let's take a notional loss and say £12mil for Gaston and £8 For Osvaldo.
[quote][p][bold]SaintinCanada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]devonsaint2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: £80m may seem like a lot of money. Take away the wages (£48m if I remember right) and the £27m we owe in transfer money and suddenly what's left won't even get you an average defender. It seems to me that everything hinges on the willingness of KL to put more money in (or not). Interesting summer ahead, indeed.[/p][/quote]What about gate receipts, commercial deals and sales of players[/p][/quote]I was just about t say that.[/p][/quote]In addition to that we don't have to pay all £27mil in one go. Isn't the figure this year £22mil. We have also got rid of a fair amount of dead wood recently. These players could easily have been on 10k to 15k a week each as they are the remnants of those long distant Championship days.Guly must be on prem money and I'd imagine that is a wage we will be saving too. I think his contract is up fairly soon. Also I can't see why the £22 million could not be turned into a loan payable over say 5 years. I doubt a club with so much in the way of assets and owned by a billionaires would be viewed as too much of a risk. Then of course we can move on some players if we wish. Gaston and dopey Dani seem the most popular choices. Let's take a notional loss and say £12mil for Gaston and £8 For Osvaldo. Clever Dick
  • Score: -2

6:18pm Fri 11 Apr 14

redandy10 says...

If we keep MoPo and the lads and add that centre back we all want, as well as a forward, it'll be a mouthwatering season. It shouldn't be long before Clyne gets a call up, he just oozes class. Nigel getting him so cheap was a great bit of business. The future of the England national team is Red & White, and Roy knows it. This'll be a nerve racking summer, but it could turn out to be one of the most important in our history.
If we keep MoPo and the lads and add that centre back we all want, as well as a forward, it'll be a mouthwatering season. It shouldn't be long before Clyne gets a call up, he just oozes class. Nigel getting him so cheap was a great bit of business. The future of the England national team is Red & White, and Roy knows it. This'll be a nerve racking summer, but it could turn out to be one of the most important in our history. redandy10
  • Score: 3

6:18pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Clever Dick says...

Clever Dick wrote:
SaintinCanada wrote:
devonsaint2 wrote:
StElsass wrote:
£80m may seem like a lot of money. Take away the wages (£48m if I remember right) and the £27m we owe in transfer money and suddenly what's left won't even get you an average defender.
It seems to me that everything hinges on the willingness of KL to put more money in (or not).
Interesting summer ahead, indeed.
What about gate receipts, commercial deals and sales of players
I was just about t say that.
In addition to that we don't have to pay all £27mil in one go. Isn't the figure this year £22mil. We have also got rid of a fair amount of dead wood recently. These players could easily have been on 10k to 15k a week each as they are the remnants of those long distant Championship days.Guly must be on prem money and I'd imagine that is a wage we will be saving too. I think his contract is up fairly soon. Also I can't see why the £22 million could not be turned into a loan payable over say 5 years. I doubt a club with so much in the way of assets and owned by a billionaires would be viewed as too much of a risk. Then of course we can move on some players if we wish. Gaston and dopey Dani seem the most popular choices. Let's take a notional loss and say £12mil for Gaston and £8 For Osvaldo.
Sorry tablet is playing up...........to continue-
So personally I think it is pretty clear we don't have too many financial concerns and should be able to fund another couple of purchases easily. I hope I have laid all your financial concerns at rest now. My next task is a quick drive down the M27 to put their minds at rest as well. I don't think I'm going to succeed!
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintinCanada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]devonsaint2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: £80m may seem like a lot of money. Take away the wages (£48m if I remember right) and the £27m we owe in transfer money and suddenly what's left won't even get you an average defender. It seems to me that everything hinges on the willingness of KL to put more money in (or not). Interesting summer ahead, indeed.[/p][/quote]What about gate receipts, commercial deals and sales of players[/p][/quote]I was just about t say that.[/p][/quote]In addition to that we don't have to pay all £27mil in one go. Isn't the figure this year £22mil. We have also got rid of a fair amount of dead wood recently. These players could easily have been on 10k to 15k a week each as they are the remnants of those long distant Championship days.Guly must be on prem money and I'd imagine that is a wage we will be saving too. I think his contract is up fairly soon. Also I can't see why the £22 million could not be turned into a loan payable over say 5 years. I doubt a club with so much in the way of assets and owned by a billionaires would be viewed as too much of a risk. Then of course we can move on some players if we wish. Gaston and dopey Dani seem the most popular choices. Let's take a notional loss and say £12mil for Gaston and £8 For Osvaldo.[/p][/quote]Sorry tablet is playing up...........to continue- So personally I think it is pretty clear we don't have too many financial concerns and should be able to fund another couple of purchases easily. I hope I have laid all your financial concerns at rest now. My next task is a quick drive down the M27 to put their minds at rest as well. I don't think I'm going to succeed! Clever Dick
  • Score: 1

6:20pm Fri 11 Apr 14

warrens 76 says...

We ahve inherited an 'awkward situation' …I have a few bob and let me tell all of you that having assets of up to 200 million and debts of 70 a'int awkward…

If I had a billion and was already were Saints are..which of itseld could have cost a couple hundred million, then i would be in nirvana (or another pop group)..never will we have this chance again…

I really want to see and here the board state outright that we have come to far, achieved too much, are so close that there is NO intention to allow any backsliding..that this opportunity comes once in two peoples lifetime and we are going for it….Katerina applauds the logic and the potential worldwide light it will shine on us and her business's.
We ahve inherited an 'awkward situation' …I have a few bob and let me tell all of you that having assets of up to 200 million and debts of 70 a'int awkward… If I had a billion and was already were Saints are..which of itseld could have cost a couple hundred million, then i would be in nirvana (or another pop group)..never will we have this chance again… I really want to see and here the board state outright that we have come to far, achieved too much, are so close that there is NO intention to allow any backsliding..that this opportunity comes once in two peoples lifetime and we are going for it….Katerina applauds the logic and the potential worldwide light it will shine on us and her business's. warrens 76
  • Score: 5

6:46pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Clever Dick says...

warrens 76 wrote:
We ahve inherited an 'awkward situation' …I have a few bob and let me tell all of you that having assets of up to 200 million and debts of 70 a'int awkward…

If I had a billion and was already were Saints are..which of itseld could have cost a couple hundred million, then i would be in nirvana (or another pop group)..never will we have this chance again…

I really want to see and here the board state outright that we have come to far, achieved too much, are so close that there is NO intention to allow any backsliding..that this opportunity comes once in two peoples lifetime and we are going for it….Katerina applauds the logic and the potential worldwide light it will shine on us and her business's.
It was not a very good decision to announce that the board had inherited a difficult financial situation. They clearly have not. Obviously we don't want to lose Luke but it may well be inevitable. Manure are "reportedly" prepared to pay him £75k a week. Coincidentally his "reported" cost would be around £27 mil. That's just one of our fantastic squad of players. This nonsense has simply given the press something to chew on and just the sale of one player would completely wipe this debt.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: We ahve inherited an 'awkward situation' …I have a few bob and let me tell all of you that having assets of up to 200 million and debts of 70 a'int awkward… If I had a billion and was already were Saints are..which of itseld could have cost a couple hundred million, then i would be in nirvana (or another pop group)..never will we have this chance again… I really want to see and here the board state outright that we have come to far, achieved too much, are so close that there is NO intention to allow any backsliding..that this opportunity comes once in two peoples lifetime and we are going for it….Katerina applauds the logic and the potential worldwide light it will shine on us and her business's.[/p][/quote]It was not a very good decision to announce that the board had inherited a difficult financial situation. They clearly have not. Obviously we don't want to lose Luke but it may well be inevitable. Manure are "reportedly" prepared to pay him £75k a week. Coincidentally his "reported" cost would be around £27 mil. That's just one of our fantastic squad of players. This nonsense has simply given the press something to chew on and just the sale of one player would completely wipe this debt. Clever Dick
  • Score: -3

7:11pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Saintsayer II says...

StElsass wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
StElsass wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
We don't need to bicker over this, we all want the same thing.

I am an optimist, and I have never been so optimistic as these last few seasons, well not since the early to mid eighties, about the Saints. I am also a realist and am reading the actual quotes of our players, manager and directors.

It is a fact that the directors have used words like 'awkward' and 'difficult' referring to our financial position which is in fact total cobblers. It is a fact that Cortese resigned from a highly paid roll that he loved doing and once stated would be his last ever job. It is a fact that several players have felt the need to call upon the club to show their commitment and then they will stay.

Maybe I am reading too much into it. But it is either p1ss poor communication by the club to its employees and customers - despite promising the opposite. Or it is because they no longer have the same commitment to the vision.
MP keeps saying that he will discuss his contract once the season is over.
So you could read into this either:
1. That he's not committing, therefore it means he's going to Spurs (like most London Newspapers and websites)
or 2. It means just that. He will discuss his contract after the end of the season
I'd go for 2 because:
1. It makes sense
and 2. We don't have a choice but to wait and see anyway.
I prefer to think that he wants to stay and is deeply committed to this project but is waiting for assurances on the available war chest. He maybe saying wait until the end of the season - but he isn't telling his players to shut up in front of the media.

We needed a CB and striker which is why we bought Forren and Osvaldo - nothing has changed we still need those two positions filling. If they had worked out and Jay hadn't had such an appalling injury we probably could have settled for just a keeper this summer with a total spend of under £10m.
There is no doubt that the squad needs heavy investment and that the money will have to come from the Liebherr cheque book. I am sure that will be part of the discussion. After the season ends :0)
All I ask is for the board to give us their 5 year plan in the same way NC did

If they do that i will commit to buying another season ticket for everyone of those 5 years
[quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: We don't need to bicker over this, we all want the same thing. I am an optimist, and I have never been so optimistic as these last few seasons, well not since the early to mid eighties, about the Saints. I am also a realist and am reading the actual quotes of our players, manager and directors. It is a fact that the directors have used words like 'awkward' and 'difficult' referring to our financial position which is in fact total cobblers. It is a fact that Cortese resigned from a highly paid roll that he loved doing and once stated would be his last ever job. It is a fact that several players have felt the need to call upon the club to show their commitment and then they will stay. Maybe I am reading too much into it. But it is either p1ss poor communication by the club to its employees and customers - despite promising the opposite. Or it is because they no longer have the same commitment to the vision.[/p][/quote]MP keeps saying that he will discuss his contract once the season is over. So you could read into this either: 1. That he's not committing, therefore it means he's going to Spurs (like most London Newspapers and websites) or 2. It means just that. He will discuss his contract after the end of the season I'd go for 2 because: 1. It makes sense and 2. We don't have a choice but to wait and see anyway.[/p][/quote]I prefer to think that he wants to stay and is deeply committed to this project but is waiting for assurances on the available war chest. He maybe saying wait until the end of the season - but he isn't telling his players to shut up in front of the media. We needed a CB and striker which is why we bought Forren and Osvaldo - nothing has changed we still need those two positions filling. If they had worked out and Jay hadn't had such an appalling injury we probably could have settled for just a keeper this summer with a total spend of under £10m.[/p][/quote]There is no doubt that the squad needs heavy investment and that the money will have to come from the Liebherr cheque book. I am sure that will be part of the discussion. After the season ends :0)[/p][/quote]All I ask is for the board to give us their 5 year plan in the same way NC did If they do that i will commit to buying another season ticket for everyone of those 5 years Saintsayer II
  • Score: 1

8:06pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

When we get a decent Ice Rink then we will flog the deadwood!
When we get a decent Ice Rink then we will flog the deadwood! Fatty x Ford Worker
  • Score: -4

8:24pm Fri 11 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:
When we get a decent Ice Rink then we will flog the deadwood!
No skates in Southampton, them's the rules.
[quote][p][bold]Fatty x Ford Worker[/bold] wrote: When we get a decent Ice Rink then we will flog the deadwood![/p][/quote]No skates in Southampton, them's the rules. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

8:26pm Fri 11 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Saintsayer II wrote:
StElsass wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
StElsass wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
We don't need to bicker over this, we all want the same thing.

I am an optimist, and I have never been so optimistic as these last few seasons, well not since the early to mid eighties, about the Saints. I am also a realist and am reading the actual quotes of our players, manager and directors.

It is a fact that the directors have used words like 'awkward' and 'difficult' referring to our financial position which is in fact total cobblers. It is a fact that Cortese resigned from a highly paid roll that he loved doing and once stated would be his last ever job. It is a fact that several players have felt the need to call upon the club to show their commitment and then they will stay.

Maybe I am reading too much into it. But it is either p1ss poor communication by the club to its employees and customers - despite promising the opposite. Or it is because they no longer have the same commitment to the vision.
MP keeps saying that he will discuss his contract once the season is over.
So you could read into this either:
1. That he's not committing, therefore it means he's going to Spurs (like most London Newspapers and websites)
or 2. It means just that. He will discuss his contract after the end of the season
I'd go for 2 because:
1. It makes sense
and 2. We don't have a choice but to wait and see anyway.
I prefer to think that he wants to stay and is deeply committed to this project but is waiting for assurances on the available war chest. He maybe saying wait until the end of the season - but he isn't telling his players to shut up in front of the media.

We needed a CB and striker which is why we bought Forren and Osvaldo - nothing has changed we still need those two positions filling. If they had worked out and Jay hadn't had such an appalling injury we probably could have settled for just a keeper this summer with a total spend of under £10m.
There is no doubt that the squad needs heavy investment and that the money will have to come from the Liebherr cheque book. I am sure that will be part of the discussion. After the season ends :0)
All I ask is for the board to give us their 5 year plan in the same way NC did

If they do that i will commit to buying another season ticket for everyone of those 5 years
If not you will go to Nottarf or Bournemouth, or even Eastleigh right?
[quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: We don't need to bicker over this, we all want the same thing. I am an optimist, and I have never been so optimistic as these last few seasons, well not since the early to mid eighties, about the Saints. I am also a realist and am reading the actual quotes of our players, manager and directors. It is a fact that the directors have used words like 'awkward' and 'difficult' referring to our financial position which is in fact total cobblers. It is a fact that Cortese resigned from a highly paid roll that he loved doing and once stated would be his last ever job. It is a fact that several players have felt the need to call upon the club to show their commitment and then they will stay. Maybe I am reading too much into it. But it is either p1ss poor communication by the club to its employees and customers - despite promising the opposite. Or it is because they no longer have the same commitment to the vision.[/p][/quote]MP keeps saying that he will discuss his contract once the season is over. So you could read into this either: 1. That he's not committing, therefore it means he's going to Spurs (like most London Newspapers and websites) or 2. It means just that. He will discuss his contract after the end of the season I'd go for 2 because: 1. It makes sense and 2. We don't have a choice but to wait and see anyway.[/p][/quote]I prefer to think that he wants to stay and is deeply committed to this project but is waiting for assurances on the available war chest. He maybe saying wait until the end of the season - but he isn't telling his players to shut up in front of the media. We needed a CB and striker which is why we bought Forren and Osvaldo - nothing has changed we still need those two positions filling. If they had worked out and Jay hadn't had such an appalling injury we probably could have settled for just a keeper this summer with a total spend of under £10m.[/p][/quote]There is no doubt that the squad needs heavy investment and that the money will have to come from the Liebherr cheque book. I am sure that will be part of the discussion. After the season ends :0)[/p][/quote]All I ask is for the board to give us their 5 year plan in the same way NC did If they do that i will commit to buying another season ticket for everyone of those 5 years[/p][/quote]If not you will go to Nottarf or Bournemouth, or even Eastleigh right? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

10:25pm Fri 11 Apr 14

warrens 76 says...

The board need to say that they will do whatever it takes to go to the next level, we have come to far to slip up now.
The board need to say that they will do whatever it takes to go to the next level, we have come to far to slip up now. warrens 76
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10:30pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Costa Baz says...

StElsass wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
StElsass wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote: We don't need to bicker over this, we all want the same thing. I am an optimist, and I have never been so optimistic as these last few seasons, well not since the early to mid eighties, about the Saints. I am also a realist and am reading the actual quotes of our players, manager and directors. It is a fact that the directors have used words like 'awkward' and 'difficult' referring to our financial position which is in fact total cobblers. It is a fact that Cortese resigned from a highly paid roll that he loved doing and once stated would be his last ever job. It is a fact that several players have felt the need to call upon the club to show their commitment and then they will stay. Maybe I am reading too much into it. But it is either p1ss poor communication by the club to its employees and customers - despite promising the opposite. Or it is because they no longer have the same commitment to the vision.
MP keeps saying that he will discuss his contract once the season is over. So you could read into this either: 1. That he's not committing, therefore it means he's going to Spurs (like most London Newspapers and websites) or 2. It means just that. He will discuss his contract after the end of the season I'd go for 2 because: 1. It makes sense and 2. We don't have a choice but to wait and see anyway.
I prefer to think that he wants to stay and is deeply committed to this project but is waiting for assurances on the available war chest. He maybe saying wait until the end of the season - but he isn't telling his players to shut up in front of the media. We needed a CB and striker which is why we bought Forren and Osvaldo - nothing has changed we still need those two positions filling. If they had worked out and Jay hadn't had such an appalling injury we probably could have settled for just a keeper this summer with a total spend of under £10m.
There is no doubt that the squad needs heavy investment and that the money will have to come from the Liebherr cheque book. I am sure that will be part of the discussion. After the season ends :0)
What would be considered "heavy investment"?
I would sooner see smarter investment, than just throwing money at getting a high priced misfit, a la Osvaldo.
Lovren was £8m, JRod £9m, if I'm correct, and Lambert was £1m, yet they represent our finest signings, in recent years.

For what it's worth a poster, on another forum, who is considered "in the know", based on his prior knowledge of previous transfers, is claiming that the "war chest" will be in the region of £35m, this summer.
If, I repeat IF, that is the case, then if MP were to find 4 players equal in quality and endeavour, to the three I have mentioned, it will be a very successful transfer window, IMO.
[quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: We don't need to bicker over this, we all want the same thing. I am an optimist, and I have never been so optimistic as these last few seasons, well not since the early to mid eighties, about the Saints. I am also a realist and am reading the actual quotes of our players, manager and directors. It is a fact that the directors have used words like 'awkward' and 'difficult' referring to our financial position which is in fact total cobblers. It is a fact that Cortese resigned from a highly paid roll that he loved doing and once stated would be his last ever job. It is a fact that several players have felt the need to call upon the club to show their commitment and then they will stay. Maybe I am reading too much into it. But it is either p1ss poor communication by the club to its employees and customers - despite promising the opposite. Or it is because they no longer have the same commitment to the vision.[/p][/quote]MP keeps saying that he will discuss his contract once the season is over. So you could read into this either: 1. That he's not committing, therefore it means he's going to Spurs (like most London Newspapers and websites) or 2. It means just that. He will discuss his contract after the end of the season I'd go for 2 because: 1. It makes sense and 2. We don't have a choice but to wait and see anyway.[/p][/quote]I prefer to think that he wants to stay and is deeply committed to this project but is waiting for assurances on the available war chest. He maybe saying wait until the end of the season - but he isn't telling his players to shut up in front of the media. We needed a CB and striker which is why we bought Forren and Osvaldo - nothing has changed we still need those two positions filling. If they had worked out and Jay hadn't had such an appalling injury we probably could have settled for just a keeper this summer with a total spend of under £10m.[/p][/quote]There is no doubt that the squad needs heavy investment and that the money will have to come from the Liebherr cheque book. I am sure that will be part of the discussion. After the season ends :0)[/p][/quote]What would be considered "heavy investment"? I would sooner see smarter investment, than just throwing money at getting a high priced misfit, a la Osvaldo. Lovren was £8m, JRod £9m, if I'm correct, and Lambert was £1m, yet they represent our finest signings, in recent years. For what it's worth a poster, on another forum, who is considered "in the know", based on his prior knowledge of previous transfers, is claiming that the "war chest" will be in the region of £35m, this summer. If, I repeat IF, that is the case, then if MP were to find 4 players equal in quality and endeavour, to the three I have mentioned, it will be a very successful transfer window, IMO. Costa Baz
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10:45pm Fri 11 Apr 14

F Fan says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
This is the clearest indication yet that Ralph is not delivering on his promise to be open and transparent. The manager and the players came/stayed here because of the vision Cortese sold them. No matter Cortese has gone the vision must live on. Obviously there has been no communication to this effect from the new board to the manger and players as well as the fans.

Morgan is about the fifth player to come out and state this. When Rickie first did it I jokingly said will it take the whole team to get it through, well we are half way there!

Cortese was on £2m a year and still tendered his resignation. We don't know why but possibly because the club weakened its commitment to the vision and he felt unable to deliver it as a result?

These players would not speak out without MoPos consent possibly even encouragement. They are all saying 'we will stay, we want to stay provided the ambition lives on and the club will continue to invest in the team'.

It's time the board listened and responded.
What is splitter from previous thread?

I think the £2m that cortèse got paid was performance related, not sure if he would have received that much in following years as our progress has obviously slowed down, we've reached our level IMO.

Some of our big money signings haven't quite worked out, these were made under cortèses watch and he has obviously passed some financial problems on (he will get the blame no matter what). Or Kat isn't prepared to take further risks. I thought the vision was to become self sufficient and exist from money from the accademy?
I think we either back this new regime or hope cortèse will return with a new investor. Mopo has said himself that at the moment he is concentrating on the league and will discuss the future in the summer, which I think makes sense. Hopefully he remains and we don't lose too many if any players with the addition, as every one been saying since the start of the season of defenders and now a descent back up goal keeper.
It was a quote from The Life of Brian following on from the What have the Romans done for us posts.

Cortese's package was drawn up when Markus first purchased the club and linked the CEO's package to the performance of the club and rightly so. In his first year he earned £600k.

This 'we have reached our level' stuff is so negative ffs. Even if you are happy to never push forward I don't think you will find that applies to Adam, Calum, Nat, Luke, Morgan, Jay, Jack etc. If we don't show ambition they will leave and we will slide backwards.
I say 'reached our level as we are not going to repeat our rise of the past seasons.
It is important to keep improving and as we do we are going to sign players with greater ambitions, it's only natural.
In reality though and especially with the size of our stadium and fan base it will take a lot of money to break into the European spots. How much do you expect to spend? I remember in the January transfer window when in the championship I called for us to make signings to guarantee promotion and go for the title. We signed sharp and lee who didn't make many appearances after promotion, which we struggled to make after a lot surge from west ham. I was laughed off the thread (not the 1st time) but now some on here expect these signings now!
Yes keep the manager, it's a must. Try and keep most of the better squad together unless a 'can't turn down offer comes our way. Yes we need to improve the defence but hasn't this been the case all season? But we must be careful how we do this. We have wasted £15m on osvaldo and time, will we recoup the money? Ramirez? Forren? Who has made these signings and what is the policy?
I've said before European football will require us to expand the stadium to help sustain players wages/signings, we will need more players too. Next season I'll be happy with the fa cup and prem league survival, even forth from bottom.
Dont recall you were " laughed off the thread" for saying we needed to make signings in the January transfer windown to ensure promotion. You were just proved to be wrong.
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: This is the clearest indication yet that Ralph is not delivering on his promise to be open and transparent. The manager and the players came/stayed here because of the vision Cortese sold them. No matter Cortese has gone the vision must live on. Obviously there has been no communication to this effect from the new board to the manger and players as well as the fans. Morgan is about the fifth player to come out and state this. When Rickie first did it I jokingly said will it take the whole team to get it through, well we are half way there! Cortese was on £2m a year and still tendered his resignation. We don't know why but possibly because the club weakened its commitment to the vision and he felt unable to deliver it as a result? These players would not speak out without MoPos consent possibly even encouragement. They are all saying 'we will stay, we want to stay provided the ambition lives on and the club will continue to invest in the team'. It's time the board listened and responded.[/p][/quote]What is splitter from previous thread? I think the £2m that cortèse got paid was performance related, not sure if he would have received that much in following years as our progress has obviously slowed down, we've reached our level IMO. Some of our big money signings haven't quite worked out, these were made under cortèses watch and he has obviously passed some financial problems on (he will get the blame no matter what). Or Kat isn't prepared to take further risks. I thought the vision was to become self sufficient and exist from money from the accademy? I think we either back this new regime or hope cortèse will return with a new investor. Mopo has said himself that at the moment he is concentrating on the league and will discuss the future in the summer, which I think makes sense. Hopefully he remains and we don't lose too many if any players with the addition, as every one been saying since the start of the season of defenders and now a descent back up goal keeper.[/p][/quote]It was a quote from The Life of Brian following on from the What have the Romans done for us posts. Cortese's package was drawn up when Markus first purchased the club and linked the CEO's package to the performance of the club and rightly so. In his first year he earned £600k. This 'we have reached our level' stuff is so negative ffs. Even if you are happy to never push forward I don't think you will find that applies to Adam, Calum, Nat, Luke, Morgan, Jay, Jack etc. If we don't show ambition they will leave and we will slide backwards.[/p][/quote]I say 'reached our level as we are not going to repeat our rise of the past seasons. It is important to keep improving and as we do we are going to sign players with greater ambitions, it's only natural. In reality though and especially with the size of our stadium and fan base it will take a lot of money to break into the European spots. How much do you expect to spend? I remember in the January transfer window when in the championship I called for us to make signings to guarantee promotion and go for the title. We signed sharp and lee who didn't make many appearances after promotion, which we struggled to make after a lot surge from west ham. I was laughed off the thread (not the 1st time) but now some on here expect these signings now! Yes keep the manager, it's a must. Try and keep most of the better squad together unless a 'can't turn down offer comes our way. Yes we need to improve the defence but hasn't this been the case all season? But we must be careful how we do this. We have wasted £15m on osvaldo and time, will we recoup the money? Ramirez? Forren? Who has made these signings and what is the policy? I've said before European football will require us to expand the stadium to help sustain players wages/signings, we will need more players too. Next season I'll be happy with the fa cup and prem league survival, even forth from bottom.[/p][/quote]Dont recall you were " laughed off the thread" for saying we needed to make signings in the January transfer windown to ensure promotion. You were just proved to be wrong. F Fan
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10:49pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Costa Baz says...

Clever Dick wrote:
warrens 76 wrote: We ahve inherited an 'awkward situation' …I have a few bob and let me tell all of you that having assets of up to 200 million and debts of 70 a'int awkward… If I had a billion and was already were Saints are..which of itseld could have cost a couple hundred million, then i would be in nirvana (or another pop group)..never will we have this chance again… I really want to see and here the board state outright that we have come to far, achieved too much, are so close that there is NO intention to allow any backsliding..that this opportunity comes once in two peoples lifetime and we are going for it….Katerina applauds the logic and the potential worldwide light it will shine on us and her business's.
It was not a very good decision to announce that the board had inherited a difficult financial situation. They clearly have not. Obviously we don't want to lose Luke but it may well be inevitable. Manure are "reportedly" prepared to pay him £75k a week. Coincidentally his "reported" cost would be around £27 mil. That's just one of our fantastic squad of players. This nonsense has simply given the press something to chew on and just the sale of one player would completely wipe this debt.
There could be several reasons why they have announced " inheriting a difficult situation".
They are intelligent and very successful business people, so I guess we can trust that they know how to read and interpret a set of accounts.

Maybe, as some suggest, they are preparing the fan base for a watered down vision, whereby we spend little and make do with what we have, plus what is coming through the academy?
Maybe they are giving the impression of austerity, so that they can get the fans on board by "overcoming this difficulty" by providing MP with adequate funding, that meets his needs?
Maybe they are giving the impression of being poor, so that transfer fees/ wage demands will be "sensible?

Getting MP to commit his future, to the club would, IMO indicate that the board have met MP's "vision" as to where the club is heading, but if MP won't sit down and discuss this until the season has ended, what can the board do?
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: We ahve inherited an 'awkward situation' …I have a few bob and let me tell all of you that having assets of up to 200 million and debts of 70 a'int awkward… If I had a billion and was already were Saints are..which of itseld could have cost a couple hundred million, then i would be in nirvana (or another pop group)..never will we have this chance again… I really want to see and here the board state outright that we have come to far, achieved too much, are so close that there is NO intention to allow any backsliding..that this opportunity comes once in two peoples lifetime and we are going for it….Katerina applauds the logic and the potential worldwide light it will shine on us and her business's.[/p][/quote]It was not a very good decision to announce that the board had inherited a difficult financial situation. They clearly have not. Obviously we don't want to lose Luke but it may well be inevitable. Manure are "reportedly" prepared to pay him £75k a week. Coincidentally his "reported" cost would be around £27 mil. That's just one of our fantastic squad of players. This nonsense has simply given the press something to chew on and just the sale of one player would completely wipe this debt.[/p][/quote]There could be several reasons why they have announced " inheriting a difficult situation". They are intelligent and very successful business people, so I guess we can trust that they know how to read and interpret a set of accounts. Maybe, as some suggest, they are preparing the fan base for a watered down vision, whereby we spend little and make do with what we have, plus what is coming through the academy? Maybe they are giving the impression of austerity, so that they can get the fans on board by "overcoming this difficulty" by providing MP with adequate funding, that meets his needs? Maybe they are giving the impression of being poor, so that transfer fees/ wage demands will be "sensible? Getting MP to commit his future, to the club would, IMO indicate that the board have met MP's "vision" as to where the club is heading, but if MP won't sit down and discuss this until the season has ended, what can the board do? Costa Baz
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10:51pm Fri 11 Apr 14

F Fan says...

warrens 76 wrote:
The board need to say that they will do whatever it takes to go to the next level, we have come to far to slip up now.
Not what the Board says from now on in that is important. They have already said the most important thing - the manager does not have to sell. All they have to do is do what they said.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: The board need to say that they will do whatever it takes to go to the next level, we have come to far to slip up now.[/p][/quote]Not what the Board says from now on in that is important. They have already said the most important thing - the manager does not have to sell. All they have to do is do what they said. F Fan
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11:23pm Fri 11 Apr 14

el caballo santos101 says...

F Fan wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
This is the clearest indication yet that Ralph is not delivering on his promise to be open and transparent. The manager and the players came/stayed here because of the vision Cortese sold them. No matter Cortese has gone the vision must live on. Obviously there has been no communication to this effect from the new board to the manger and players as well as the fans.

Morgan is about the fifth player to come out and state this. When Rickie first did it I jokingly said will it take the whole team to get it through, well we are half way there!

Cortese was on £2m a year and still tendered his resignation. We don't know why but possibly because the club weakened its commitment to the vision and he felt unable to deliver it as a result?

These players would not speak out without MoPos consent possibly even encouragement. They are all saying 'we will stay, we want to stay provided the ambition lives on and the club will continue to invest in the team'.

It's time the board listened and responded.
What is splitter from previous thread?

I think the £2m that cortèse got paid was performance related, not sure if he would have received that much in following years as our progress has obviously slowed down, we've reached our level IMO.

Some of our big money signings haven't quite worked out, these were made under cortèses watch and he has obviously passed some financial problems on (he will get the blame no matter what). Or Kat isn't prepared to take further risks. I thought the vision was to become self sufficient and exist from money from the accademy?
I think we either back this new regime or hope cortèse will return with a new investor. Mopo has said himself that at the moment he is concentrating on the league and will discuss the future in the summer, which I think makes sense. Hopefully he remains and we don't lose too many if any players with the addition, as every one been saying since the start of the season of defenders and now a descent back up goal keeper.
It was a quote from The Life of Brian following on from the What have the Romans done for us posts.

Cortese's package was drawn up when Markus first purchased the club and linked the CEO's package to the performance of the club and rightly so. In his first year he earned £600k.

This 'we have reached our level' stuff is so negative ffs. Even if you are happy to never push forward I don't think you will find that applies to Adam, Calum, Nat, Luke, Morgan, Jay, Jack etc. If we don't show ambition they will leave and we will slide backwards.
I say 'reached our level as we are not going to repeat our rise of the past seasons.
It is important to keep improving and as we do we are going to sign players with greater ambitions, it's only natural.
In reality though and especially with the size of our stadium and fan base it will take a lot of money to break into the European spots. How much do you expect to spend? I remember in the January transfer window when in the championship I called for us to make signings to guarantee promotion and go for the title. We signed sharp and lee who didn't make many appearances after promotion, which we struggled to make after a lot surge from west ham. I was laughed off the thread (not the 1st time) but now some on here expect these signings now!
Yes keep the manager, it's a must. Try and keep most of the better squad together unless a 'can't turn down offer comes our way. Yes we need to improve the defence but hasn't this been the case all season? But we must be careful how we do this. We have wasted £15m on osvaldo and time, will we recoup the money? Ramirez? Forren? Who has made these signings and what is the policy?
I've said before European football will require us to expand the stadium to help sustain players wages/signings, we will need more players too. Next season I'll be happy with the fa cup and prem league survival, even forth from bottom.
Dont recall you were " laughed off the thread" for saying we needed to make signings in the January transfer windown to ensure promotion. You were just proved to be wrong.
not sure we `struggled` to get promoted either! the surge came from reading and if it were not for them we would have won the league. we went into the last game of the season knowing a win would do us. that in our first year back in the champ and after being in the top 2 all season. its as if you expected us to get promoted, most would have settled for top ten with a chance of the play offs, I don't think anyone thought we would go straight up. again we went straight up thanks to NC not in spite of him!
[quote][p][bold]F Fan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: This is the clearest indication yet that Ralph is not delivering on his promise to be open and transparent. The manager and the players came/stayed here because of the vision Cortese sold them. No matter Cortese has gone the vision must live on. Obviously there has been no communication to this effect from the new board to the manger and players as well as the fans. Morgan is about the fifth player to come out and state this. When Rickie first did it I jokingly said will it take the whole team to get it through, well we are half way there! Cortese was on £2m a year and still tendered his resignation. We don't know why but possibly because the club weakened its commitment to the vision and he felt unable to deliver it as a result? These players would not speak out without MoPos consent possibly even encouragement. They are all saying 'we will stay, we want to stay provided the ambition lives on and the club will continue to invest in the team'. It's time the board listened and responded.[/p][/quote]What is splitter from previous thread? I think the £2m that cortèse got paid was performance related, not sure if he would have received that much in following years as our progress has obviously slowed down, we've reached our level IMO. Some of our big money signings haven't quite worked out, these were made under cortèses watch and he has obviously passed some financial problems on (he will get the blame no matter what). Or Kat isn't prepared to take further risks. I thought the vision was to become self sufficient and exist from money from the accademy? I think we either back this new regime or hope cortèse will return with a new investor. Mopo has said himself that at the moment he is concentrating on the league and will discuss the future in the summer, which I think makes sense. Hopefully he remains and we don't lose too many if any players with the addition, as every one been saying since the start of the season of defenders and now a descent back up goal keeper.[/p][/quote]It was a quote from The Life of Brian following on from the What have the Romans done for us posts. Cortese's package was drawn up when Markus first purchased the club and linked the CEO's package to the performance of the club and rightly so. In his first year he earned £600k. This 'we have reached our level' stuff is so negative ffs. Even if you are happy to never push forward I don't think you will find that applies to Adam, Calum, Nat, Luke, Morgan, Jay, Jack etc. If we don't show ambition they will leave and we will slide backwards.[/p][/quote]I say 'reached our level as we are not going to repeat our rise of the past seasons. It is important to keep improving and as we do we are going to sign players with greater ambitions, it's only natural. In reality though and especially with the size of our stadium and fan base it will take a lot of money to break into the European spots. How much do you expect to spend? I remember in the January transfer window when in the championship I called for us to make signings to guarantee promotion and go for the title. We signed sharp and lee who didn't make many appearances after promotion, which we struggled to make after a lot surge from west ham. I was laughed off the thread (not the 1st time) but now some on here expect these signings now! Yes keep the manager, it's a must. Try and keep most of the better squad together unless a 'can't turn down offer comes our way. Yes we need to improve the defence but hasn't this been the case all season? But we must be careful how we do this. We have wasted £15m on osvaldo and time, will we recoup the money? Ramirez? Forren? Who has made these signings and what is the policy? I've said before European football will require us to expand the stadium to help sustain players wages/signings, we will need more players too. Next season I'll be happy with the fa cup and prem league survival, even forth from bottom.[/p][/quote]Dont recall you were " laughed off the thread" for saying we needed to make signings in the January transfer windown to ensure promotion. You were just proved to be wrong.[/p][/quote]not sure we `struggled` to get promoted either! the surge came from reading and if it were not for them we would have won the league. we went into the last game of the season knowing a win would do us. that in our first year back in the champ and after being in the top 2 all season. its as if you expected us to get promoted, most would have settled for top ten with a chance of the play offs, I don't think anyone thought we would go straight up. again we went straight up thanks to NC not in spite of him! el caballo santos101
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11:28pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Jan28th1984 says...

Costa Baz wrote:
StElsass wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
StElsass wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote: We don't need to bicker over this, we all want the same thing. I am an optimist, and I have never been so optimistic as these last few seasons, well not since the early to mid eighties, about the Saints. I am also a realist and am reading the actual quotes of our players, manager and directors. It is a fact that the directors have used words like 'awkward' and 'difficult' referring to our financial position which is in fact total cobblers. It is a fact that Cortese resigned from a highly paid roll that he loved doing and once stated would be his last ever job. It is a fact that several players have felt the need to call upon the club to show their commitment and then they will stay. Maybe I am reading too much into it. But it is either p1ss poor communication by the club to its employees and customers - despite promising the opposite. Or it is because they no longer have the same commitment to the vision.
MP keeps saying that he will discuss his contract once the season is over. So you could read into this either: 1. That he's not committing, therefore it means he's going to Spurs (like most London Newspapers and websites) or 2. It means just that. He will discuss his contract after the end of the season I'd go for 2 because: 1. It makes sense and 2. We don't have a choice but to wait and see anyway.
I prefer to think that he wants to stay and is deeply committed to this project but is waiting for assurances on the available war chest. He maybe saying wait until the end of the season - but he isn't telling his players to shut up in front of the media. We needed a CB and striker which is why we bought Forren and Osvaldo - nothing has changed we still need those two positions filling. If they had worked out and Jay hadn't had such an appalling injury we probably could have settled for just a keeper this summer with a total spend of under £10m.
There is no doubt that the squad needs heavy investment and that the money will have to come from the Liebherr cheque book. I am sure that will be part of the discussion. After the season ends :0)
What would be considered "heavy investment"?
I would sooner see smarter investment, than just throwing money at getting a high priced misfit, a la Osvaldo.
Lovren was £8m, JRod £9m, if I'm correct, and Lambert was £1m, yet they represent our finest signings, in recent years.

For what it's worth a poster, on another forum, who is considered "in the know", based on his prior knowledge of previous transfers, is claiming that the "war chest" will be in the region of £35m, this summer.
If, I repeat IF, that is the case, then if MP were to find 4 players equal in quality and endeavour, to the three I have mentioned, it will be a very successful transfer window, IMO.
Any helmet who is "in the know" wouldn't spill it on a public forum.

The words "take" "with" "a" "pinch" "of" and "salt" spring to mind.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: We don't need to bicker over this, we all want the same thing. I am an optimist, and I have never been so optimistic as these last few seasons, well not since the early to mid eighties, about the Saints. I am also a realist and am reading the actual quotes of our players, manager and directors. It is a fact that the directors have used words like 'awkward' and 'difficult' referring to our financial position which is in fact total cobblers. It is a fact that Cortese resigned from a highly paid roll that he loved doing and once stated would be his last ever job. It is a fact that several players have felt the need to call upon the club to show their commitment and then they will stay. Maybe I am reading too much into it. But it is either p1ss poor communication by the club to its employees and customers - despite promising the opposite. Or it is because they no longer have the same commitment to the vision.[/p][/quote]MP keeps saying that he will discuss his contract once the season is over. So you could read into this either: 1. That he's not committing, therefore it means he's going to Spurs (like most London Newspapers and websites) or 2. It means just that. He will discuss his contract after the end of the season I'd go for 2 because: 1. It makes sense and 2. We don't have a choice but to wait and see anyway.[/p][/quote]I prefer to think that he wants to stay and is deeply committed to this project but is waiting for assurances on the available war chest. He maybe saying wait until the end of the season - but he isn't telling his players to shut up in front of the media. We needed a CB and striker which is why we bought Forren and Osvaldo - nothing has changed we still need those two positions filling. If they had worked out and Jay hadn't had such an appalling injury we probably could have settled for just a keeper this summer with a total spend of under £10m.[/p][/quote]There is no doubt that the squad needs heavy investment and that the money will have to come from the Liebherr cheque book. I am sure that will be part of the discussion. After the season ends :0)[/p][/quote]What would be considered "heavy investment"? I would sooner see smarter investment, than just throwing money at getting a high priced misfit, a la Osvaldo. Lovren was £8m, JRod £9m, if I'm correct, and Lambert was £1m, yet they represent our finest signings, in recent years. For what it's worth a poster, on another forum, who is considered "in the know", based on his prior knowledge of previous transfers, is claiming that the "war chest" will be in the region of £35m, this summer. If, I repeat IF, that is the case, then if MP were to find 4 players equal in quality and endeavour, to the three I have mentioned, it will be a very successful transfer window, IMO.[/p][/quote]Any helmet who is "in the know" wouldn't spill it on a public forum. The words "take" "with" "a" "pinch" "of" and "salt" spring to mind. Jan28th1984
  • Score: -1

11:33pm Fri 11 Apr 14

ghk230473 says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
F Fan wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
This is the clearest indication yet that Ralph is not delivering on his promise to be open and transparent. The manager and the players came/stayed here because of the vision Cortese sold them. No matter Cortese has gone the vision must live on. Obviously there has been no communication to this effect from the new board to the manger and players as well as the fans.

Morgan is about the fifth player to come out and state this. When Rickie first did it I jokingly said will it take the whole team to get it through, well we are half way there!

Cortese was on £2m a year and still tendered his resignation. We don't know why but possibly because the club weakened its commitment to the vision and he felt unable to deliver it as a result?

These players would not speak out without MoPos consent possibly even encouragement. They are all saying 'we will stay, we want to stay provided the ambition lives on and the club will continue to invest in the team'.

It's time the board listened and responded.
What is splitter from previous thread?

I think the £2m that cortèse got paid was performance related, not sure if he would have received that much in following years as our progress has obviously slowed down, we've reached our level IMO.

Some of our big money signings haven't quite worked out, these were made under cortèses watch and he has obviously passed some financial problems on (he will get the blame no matter what). Or Kat isn't prepared to take further risks. I thought the vision was to become self sufficient and exist from money from the accademy?
I think we either back this new regime or hope cortèse will return with a new investor. Mopo has said himself that at the moment he is concentrating on the league and will discuss the future in the summer, which I think makes sense. Hopefully he remains and we don't lose too many if any players with the addition, as every one been saying since the start of the season of defenders and now a descent back up goal keeper.
It was a quote from The Life of Brian following on from the What have the Romans done for us posts.

Cortese's package was drawn up when Markus first purchased the club and linked the CEO's package to the performance of the club and rightly so. In his first year he earned £600k.

This 'we have reached our level' stuff is so negative ffs. Even if you are happy to never push forward I don't think you will find that applies to Adam, Calum, Nat, Luke, Morgan, Jay, Jack etc. If we don't show ambition they will leave and we will slide backwards.
I say 'reached our level as we are not going to repeat our rise of the past seasons.
It is important to keep improving and as we do we are going to sign players with greater ambitions, it's only natural.
In reality though and especially with the size of our stadium and fan base it will take a lot of money to break into the European spots. How much do you expect to spend? I remember in the January transfer window when in the championship I called for us to make signings to guarantee promotion and go for the title. We signed sharp and lee who didn't make many appearances after promotion, which we struggled to make after a lot surge from west ham. I was laughed off the thread (not the 1st time) but now some on here expect these signings now!
Yes keep the manager, it's a must. Try and keep most of the better squad together unless a 'can't turn down offer comes our way. Yes we need to improve the defence but hasn't this been the case all season? But we must be careful how we do this. We have wasted £15m on osvaldo and time, will we recoup the money? Ramirez? Forren? Who has made these signings and what is the policy?
I've said before European football will require us to expand the stadium to help sustain players wages/signings, we will need more players too. Next season I'll be happy with the fa cup and prem league survival, even forth from bottom.
Dont recall you were " laughed off the thread" for saying we needed to make signings in the January transfer windown to ensure promotion. You were just proved to be wrong.
not sure we `struggled` to get promoted either! the surge came from reading and if it were not for them we would have won the league. we went into the last game of the season knowing a win would do us. that in our first year back in the champ and after being in the top 2 all season. its as if you expected us to get promoted, most would have settled for top ten with a chance of the play offs, I don't think anyone thought we would go straight up. again we went straight up thanks to NC not in spite of him!
The transfer window in question would have been the best time to invest, and we bought 2 players that didn't feature much the following season. Promotion to the premier league is the biggest pay day surely? Didn't see cortèse going for it then, and we were in the driving seat most of the season, how much better would it have been to finish top? Would have taken a little but more money on quality players that would have remained with the club than those other 2.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]F Fan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: This is the clearest indication yet that Ralph is not delivering on his promise to be open and transparent. The manager and the players came/stayed here because of the vision Cortese sold them. No matter Cortese has gone the vision must live on. Obviously there has been no communication to this effect from the new board to the manger and players as well as the fans. Morgan is about the fifth player to come out and state this. When Rickie first did it I jokingly said will it take the whole team to get it through, well we are half way there! Cortese was on £2m a year and still tendered his resignation. We don't know why but possibly because the club weakened its commitment to the vision and he felt unable to deliver it as a result? These players would not speak out without MoPos consent possibly even encouragement. They are all saying 'we will stay, we want to stay provided the ambition lives on and the club will continue to invest in the team'. It's time the board listened and responded.[/p][/quote]What is splitter from previous thread? I think the £2m that cortèse got paid was performance related, not sure if he would have received that much in following years as our progress has obviously slowed down, we've reached our level IMO. Some of our big money signings haven't quite worked out, these were made under cortèses watch and he has obviously passed some financial problems on (he will get the blame no matter what). Or Kat isn't prepared to take further risks. I thought the vision was to become self sufficient and exist from money from the accademy? I think we either back this new regime or hope cortèse will return with a new investor. Mopo has said himself that at the moment he is concentrating on the league and will discuss the future in the summer, which I think makes sense. Hopefully he remains and we don't lose too many if any players with the addition, as every one been saying since the start of the season of defenders and now a descent back up goal keeper.[/p][/quote]It was a quote from The Life of Brian following on from the What have the Romans done for us posts. Cortese's package was drawn up when Markus first purchased the club and linked the CEO's package to the performance of the club and rightly so. In his first year he earned £600k. This 'we have reached our level' stuff is so negative ffs. Even if you are happy to never push forward I don't think you will find that applies to Adam, Calum, Nat, Luke, Morgan, Jay, Jack etc. If we don't show ambition they will leave and we will slide backwards.[/p][/quote]I say 'reached our level as we are not going to repeat our rise of the past seasons. It is important to keep improving and as we do we are going to sign players with greater ambitions, it's only natural. In reality though and especially with the size of our stadium and fan base it will take a lot of money to break into the European spots. How much do you expect to spend? I remember in the January transfer window when in the championship I called for us to make signings to guarantee promotion and go for the title. We signed sharp and lee who didn't make many appearances after promotion, which we struggled to make after a lot surge from west ham. I was laughed off the thread (not the 1st time) but now some on here expect these signings now! Yes keep the manager, it's a must. Try and keep most of the better squad together unless a 'can't turn down offer comes our way. Yes we need to improve the defence but hasn't this been the case all season? But we must be careful how we do this. We have wasted £15m on osvaldo and time, will we recoup the money? Ramirez? Forren? Who has made these signings and what is the policy? I've said before European football will require us to expand the stadium to help sustain players wages/signings, we will need more players too. Next season I'll be happy with the fa cup and prem league survival, even forth from bottom.[/p][/quote]Dont recall you were " laughed off the thread" for saying we needed to make signings in the January transfer windown to ensure promotion. You were just proved to be wrong.[/p][/quote]not sure we `struggled` to get promoted either! the surge came from reading and if it were not for them we would have won the league. we went into the last game of the season knowing a win would do us. that in our first year back in the champ and after being in the top 2 all season. its as if you expected us to get promoted, most would have settled for top ten with a chance of the play offs, I don't think anyone thought we would go straight up. again we went straight up thanks to NC not in spite of him![/p][/quote]The transfer window in question would have been the best time to invest, and we bought 2 players that didn't feature much the following season. Promotion to the premier league is the biggest pay day surely? Didn't see cortèse going for it then, and we were in the driving seat most of the season, how much better would it have been to finish top? Would have taken a little but more money on quality players that would have remained with the club than those other 2. ghk230473
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12:08am Sat 12 Apr 14

el caballo santos101 says...

ghk230473 wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
F Fan wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
This is the clearest indication yet that Ralph is not delivering on his promise to be open and transparent. The manager and the players came/stayed here because of the vision Cortese sold them. No matter Cortese has gone the vision must live on. Obviously there has been no communication to this effect from the new board to the manger and players as well as the fans.

Morgan is about the fifth player to come out and state this. When Rickie first did it I jokingly said will it take the whole team to get it through, well we are half way there!

Cortese was on £2m a year and still tendered his resignation. We don't know why but possibly because the club weakened its commitment to the vision and he felt unable to deliver it as a result?

These players would not speak out without MoPos consent possibly even encouragement. They are all saying 'we will stay, we want to stay provided the ambition lives on and the club will continue to invest in the team'.

It's time the board listened and responded.
What is splitter from previous thread?

I think the £2m that cortèse got paid was performance related, not sure if he would have received that much in following years as our progress has obviously slowed down, we've reached our level IMO.

Some of our big money signings haven't quite worked out, these were made under cortèses watch and he has obviously passed some financial problems on (he will get the blame no matter what). Or Kat isn't prepared to take further risks. I thought the vision was to become self sufficient and exist from money from the accademy?
I think we either back this new regime or hope cortèse will return with a new investor. Mopo has said himself that at the moment he is concentrating on the league and will discuss the future in the summer, which I think makes sense. Hopefully he remains and we don't lose too many if any players with the addition, as every one been saying since the start of the season of defenders and now a descent back up goal keeper.
It was a quote from The Life of Brian following on from the What have the Romans done for us posts.

Cortese's package was drawn up when Markus first purchased the club and linked the CEO's package to the performance of the club and rightly so. In his first year he earned £600k.

This 'we have reached our level' stuff is so negative ffs. Even if you are happy to never push forward I don't think you will find that applies to Adam, Calum, Nat, Luke, Morgan, Jay, Jack etc. If we don't show ambition they will leave and we will slide backwards.
I say 'reached our level as we are not going to repeat our rise of the past seasons.
It is important to keep improving and as we do we are going to sign players with greater ambitions, it's only natural.
In reality though and especially with the size of our stadium and fan base it will take a lot of money to break into the European spots. How much do you expect to spend? I remember in the January transfer window when in the championship I called for us to make signings to guarantee promotion and go for the title. We signed sharp and lee who didn't make many appearances after promotion, which we struggled to make after a lot surge from west ham. I was laughed off the thread (not the 1st time) but now some on here expect these signings now!
Yes keep the manager, it's a must. Try and keep most of the better squad together unless a 'can't turn down offer comes our way. Yes we need to improve the defence but hasn't this been the case all season? But we must be careful how we do this. We have wasted £15m on osvaldo and time, will we recoup the money? Ramirez? Forren? Who has made these signings and what is the policy?
I've said before European football will require us to expand the stadium to help sustain players wages/signings, we will need more players too. Next season I'll be happy with the fa cup and prem league survival, even forth from bottom.
Dont recall you were " laughed off the thread" for saying we needed to make signings in the January transfer windown to ensure promotion. You were just proved to be wrong.
not sure we `struggled` to get promoted either! the surge came from reading and if it were not for them we would have won the league. we went into the last game of the season knowing a win would do us. that in our first year back in the champ and after being in the top 2 all season. its as if you expected us to get promoted, most would have settled for top ten with a chance of the play offs, I don't think anyone thought we would go straight up. again we went straight up thanks to NC not in spite of him!
The transfer window in question would have been the best time to invest, and we bought 2 players that didn't feature much the following season. Promotion to the premier league is the biggest pay day surely? Didn't see cortèse going for it then, and we were in the driving seat most of the season, how much better would it have been to finish top? Would have taken a little but more money on quality players that would have remained with the club than those other 2.
or NC brought the players that NA wanted and they helped push us over the line to promotion. then once promoted and they had done they had been brought in for NC replaced them with J-rod and mayuka, spending big money for them. mayuka might not have worked but he`s still on the books so might be the striker to replace J-rod at the start of next season.
big money has been spent in both summer windows to ensure we pushed up the leagues to the position we currently are, not all signings have been the success we wanted them to be but that happens at every club.
as for letting gaston go in the summer, what would we have done if lalla had been injured this season? ready made replacement in gaston. he struggles to get into the team because of the way the forwards have played together. but if we want to progress we need to have players of gastons obvious ability to fall back on. he may have cost £12mill but he has a £30mill player in front of him in the pecking order, now who would have thought saints would have players of that value as reserves a few short years ago!
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]F Fan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: This is the clearest indication yet that Ralph is not delivering on his promise to be open and transparent. The manager and the players came/stayed here because of the vision Cortese sold them. No matter Cortese has gone the vision must live on. Obviously there has been no communication to this effect from the new board to the manger and players as well as the fans. Morgan is about the fifth player to come out and state this. When Rickie first did it I jokingly said will it take the whole team to get it through, well we are half way there! Cortese was on £2m a year and still tendered his resignation. We don't know why but possibly because the club weakened its commitment to the vision and he felt unable to deliver it as a result? These players would not speak out without MoPos consent possibly even encouragement. They are all saying 'we will stay, we want to stay provided the ambition lives on and the club will continue to invest in the team'. It's time the board listened and responded.[/p][/quote]What is splitter from previous thread? I think the £2m that cortèse got paid was performance related, not sure if he would have received that much in following years as our progress has obviously slowed down, we've reached our level IMO. Some of our big money signings haven't quite worked out, these were made under cortèses watch and he has obviously passed some financial problems on (he will get the blame no matter what). Or Kat isn't prepared to take further risks. I thought the vision was to become self sufficient and exist from money from the accademy? I think we either back this new regime or hope cortèse will return with a new investor. Mopo has said himself that at the moment he is concentrating on the league and will discuss the future in the summer, which I think makes sense. Hopefully he remains and we don't lose too many if any players with the addition, as every one been saying since the start of the season of defenders and now a descent back up goal keeper.[/p][/quote]It was a quote from The Life of Brian following on from the What have the Romans done for us posts. Cortese's package was drawn up when Markus first purchased the club and linked the CEO's package to the performance of the club and rightly so. In his first year he earned £600k. This 'we have reached our level' stuff is so negative ffs. Even if you are happy to never push forward I don't think you will find that applies to Adam, Calum, Nat, Luke, Morgan, Jay, Jack etc. If we don't show ambition they will leave and we will slide backwards.[/p][/quote]I say 'reached our level as we are not going to repeat our rise of the past seasons. It is important to keep improving and as we do we are going to sign players with greater ambitions, it's only natural. In reality though and especially with the size of our stadium and fan base it will take a lot of money to break into the European spots. How much do you expect to spend? I remember in the January transfer window when in the championship I called for us to make signings to guarantee promotion and go for the title. We signed sharp and lee who didn't make many appearances after promotion, which we struggled to make after a lot surge from west ham. I was laughed off the thread (not the 1st time) but now some on here expect these signings now! Yes keep the manager, it's a must. Try and keep most of the better squad together unless a 'can't turn down offer comes our way. Yes we need to improve the defence but hasn't this been the case all season? But we must be careful how we do this. We have wasted £15m on osvaldo and time, will we recoup the money? Ramirez? Forren? Who has made these signings and what is the policy? I've said before European football will require us to expand the stadium to help sustain players wages/signings, we will need more players too. Next season I'll be happy with the fa cup and prem league survival, even forth from bottom.[/p][/quote]Dont recall you were " laughed off the thread" for saying we needed to make signings in the January transfer windown to ensure promotion. You were just proved to be wrong.[/p][/quote]not sure we `struggled` to get promoted either! the surge came from reading and if it were not for them we would have won the league. we went into the last game of the season knowing a win would do us. that in our first year back in the champ and after being in the top 2 all season. its as if you expected us to get promoted, most would have settled for top ten with a chance of the play offs, I don't think anyone thought we would go straight up. again we went straight up thanks to NC not in spite of him![/p][/quote]The transfer window in question would have been the best time to invest, and we bought 2 players that didn't feature much the following season. Promotion to the premier league is the biggest pay day surely? Didn't see cortèse going for it then, and we were in the driving seat most of the season, how much better would it have been to finish top? Would have taken a little but more money on quality players that would have remained with the club than those other 2.[/p][/quote]or NC brought the players that NA wanted and they helped push us over the line to promotion. then once promoted and they had done they had been brought in for NC replaced them with J-rod and mayuka, spending big money for them. mayuka might not have worked but he`s still on the books so might be the striker to replace J-rod at the start of next season. big money has been spent in both summer windows to ensure we pushed up the leagues to the position we currently are, not all signings have been the success we wanted them to be but that happens at every club. as for letting gaston go in the summer, what would we have done if lalla had been injured this season? ready made replacement in gaston. he struggles to get into the team because of the way the forwards have played together. but if we want to progress we need to have players of gastons obvious ability to fall back on. he may have cost £12mill but he has a £30mill player in front of him in the pecking order, now who would have thought saints would have players of that value as reserves a few short years ago! el caballo santos101
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4:13am Sat 12 Apr 14

montecristosaint says...

This is without doubt the biggest sumer in Saints history coming up. The rivalry between clubs is intense, and Saints have a pointo prove to those clubs who think they have an automatic right to poach our best players.A lot of the speculation rife at the moment is being generated by unpaid young journos guesting for football web sites, but on the basis that there isno smoke without fire Saints management needto step up to the plate, and secure all the objectives that will mark out the club as one of those to watch in the future as contenders for Champions League places. Has Katherina Liebherrs mindset changed since Cortese left?? Has she now got the Southampton bug?? All the indications were that this was a woman who did not like football, who wanted to sell the club who would insist that the club pays its own way. Now what we see, is the same smiling dispostion her father had, who attends games, not just some, but all of them, and who seems determined to stay on board the Saints bus. Itake my hat off to her if that is the case. She will know, better than anyone you canttake your money to the grave with you, so you might as well enjoy it. So if she is having fun at Saints, then let us hope she will once again invest more capital into Southampton and then buy the three or four top players needed to make this club top contenders. And under no circumstances, sell Shaw and the rest. My only worry, perhaps unfounded that the manager and players are like the rest of us watching to see what the management does, and it would from their reactions seem that to date not a thing has been settled. Mr Krueger, you need to get moving. Most clubs will have set their plans, will have begun making approaches for players what is going on at Southampton??
This is without doubt the biggest sumer in Saints history coming up. The rivalry between clubs is intense, and Saints have a pointo prove to those clubs who think they have an automatic right to poach our best players.A lot of the speculation rife at the moment is being generated by unpaid young journos guesting for football web sites, but on the basis that there isno smoke without fire Saints management needto step up to the plate, and secure all the objectives that will mark out the club as one of those to watch in the future as contenders for Champions League places. Has Katherina Liebherrs mindset changed since Cortese left?? Has she now got the Southampton bug?? All the indications were that this was a woman who did not like football, who wanted to sell the club who would insist that the club pays its own way. Now what we see, is the same smiling dispostion her father had, who attends games, not just some, but all of them, and who seems determined to stay on board the Saints bus. Itake my hat off to her if that is the case. She will know, better than anyone you canttake your money to the grave with you, so you might as well enjoy it. So if she is having fun at Saints, then let us hope she will once again invest more capital into Southampton and then buy the three or four top players needed to make this club top contenders. And under no circumstances, sell Shaw and the rest. My only worry, perhaps unfounded that the manager and players are like the rest of us watching to see what the management does, and it would from their reactions seem that to date not a thing has been settled. Mr Krueger, you need to get moving. Most clubs will have set their plans, will have begun making approaches for players what is going on at Southampton?? montecristosaint
  • Score: 1

7:45am Sat 12 Apr 14

Rising_Son says...

montecristosaint wrote:
This is without doubt the biggest sumer in Saints history coming up. The rivalry between clubs is intense, and Saints have a pointo prove to those clubs who think they have an automatic right to poach our best players.A lot of the speculation rife at the moment is being generated by unpaid young journos guesting for football web sites, but on the basis that there isno smoke without fire Saints management needto step up to the plate, and secure all the objectives that will mark out the club as one of those to watch in the future as contenders for Champions League places. Has Katherina Liebherrs mindset changed since Cortese left?? Has she now got the Southampton bug?? All the indications were that this was a woman who did not like football, who wanted to sell the club who would insist that the club pays its own way. Now what we see, is the same smiling dispostion her father had, who attends games, not just some, but all of them, and who seems determined to stay on board the Saints bus. Itake my hat off to her if that is the case. She will know, better than anyone you canttake your money to the grave with you, so you might as well enjoy it. So if she is having fun at Saints, then let us hope she will once again invest more capital into Southampton and then buy the three or four top players needed to make this club top contenders. And under no circumstances, sell Shaw and the rest. My only worry, perhaps unfounded that the manager and players are like the rest of us watching to see what the management does, and it would from their reactions seem that to date not a thing has been settled. Mr Krueger, you need to get moving. Most clubs will have set their plans, will have begun making approaches for players what is going on at Southampton??
Funny, at the end of last season, similar sentiments were expressed about our lack of early approaches for players, and the catastrophic effects that would have on out season.
[quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: This is without doubt the biggest sumer in Saints history coming up. The rivalry between clubs is intense, and Saints have a pointo prove to those clubs who think they have an automatic right to poach our best players.A lot of the speculation rife at the moment is being generated by unpaid young journos guesting for football web sites, but on the basis that there isno smoke without fire Saints management needto step up to the plate, and secure all the objectives that will mark out the club as one of those to watch in the future as contenders for Champions League places. Has Katherina Liebherrs mindset changed since Cortese left?? Has she now got the Southampton bug?? All the indications were that this was a woman who did not like football, who wanted to sell the club who would insist that the club pays its own way. Now what we see, is the same smiling dispostion her father had, who attends games, not just some, but all of them, and who seems determined to stay on board the Saints bus. Itake my hat off to her if that is the case. She will know, better than anyone you canttake your money to the grave with you, so you might as well enjoy it. So if she is having fun at Saints, then let us hope she will once again invest more capital into Southampton and then buy the three or four top players needed to make this club top contenders. And under no circumstances, sell Shaw and the rest. My only worry, perhaps unfounded that the manager and players are like the rest of us watching to see what the management does, and it would from their reactions seem that to date not a thing has been settled. Mr Krueger, you need to get moving. Most clubs will have set their plans, will have begun making approaches for players what is going on at Southampton??[/p][/quote]Funny, at the end of last season, similar sentiments were expressed about our lack of early approaches for players, and the catastrophic effects that would have on out season. Rising_Son
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7:46am Sat 12 Apr 14

Rising_Son says...

out -> our
out -> our Rising_Son
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9:13am Sat 12 Apr 14

Costa Baz says...

montecristosaint wrote:
This is without doubt the biggest sumer in Saints history coming up. The rivalry between clubs is intense, and Saints have a pointo prove to those clubs who think they have an automatic right to poach our best players.A lot of the speculation rife at the moment is being generated by unpaid young journos guesting for football web sites, but on the basis that there isno smoke without fire Saints management needto step up to the plate, and secure all the objectives that will mark out the club as one of those to watch in the future as contenders for Champions League places. Has Katherina Liebherrs mindset changed since Cortese left?? Has she now got the Southampton bug?? All the indications were that this was a woman who did not like football, who wanted to sell the club who would insist that the club pays its own way. Now what we see, is the same smiling dispostion her father had, who attends games, not just some, but all of them, and who seems determined to stay on board the Saints bus. Itake my hat off to her if that is the case. She will know, better than anyone you canttake your money to the grave with you, so you might as well enjoy it. So if she is having fun at Saints, then let us hope she will once again invest more capital into Southampton and then buy the three or four top players needed to make this club top contenders. And under no circumstances, sell Shaw and the rest. My only worry, perhaps unfounded that the manager and players are like the rest of us watching to see what the management does, and it would from their reactions seem that to date not a thing has been settled. Mr Krueger, you need to get moving. Most clubs will have set their plans, will have begun making approaches for players what is going on at Southampton??
Approaches for players, prior to securing the long term future of the manager, could be folly.

If MP won't commit to a new contract, much as it pains me to say this, it would make sense for the board to terminate his contract, and replace him, rather than let him spend whatever budget they are putting up.
I don't want that to happen, because MP has been great, for us, but his non committal comments about his future, strike me as someone who is thinking of himself, and not the club.

If I were Krueger, with MP constantly saying he won't talk about his future, until the last game has been played, I would pin MP down and set a date for that meeting. And then release the details to the press, as a hands off to other clubs.
[quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: This is without doubt the biggest sumer in Saints history coming up. The rivalry between clubs is intense, and Saints have a pointo prove to those clubs who think they have an automatic right to poach our best players.A lot of the speculation rife at the moment is being generated by unpaid young journos guesting for football web sites, but on the basis that there isno smoke without fire Saints management needto step up to the plate, and secure all the objectives that will mark out the club as one of those to watch in the future as contenders for Champions League places. Has Katherina Liebherrs mindset changed since Cortese left?? Has she now got the Southampton bug?? All the indications were that this was a woman who did not like football, who wanted to sell the club who would insist that the club pays its own way. Now what we see, is the same smiling dispostion her father had, who attends games, not just some, but all of them, and who seems determined to stay on board the Saints bus. Itake my hat off to her if that is the case. She will know, better than anyone you canttake your money to the grave with you, so you might as well enjoy it. So if she is having fun at Saints, then let us hope she will once again invest more capital into Southampton and then buy the three or four top players needed to make this club top contenders. And under no circumstances, sell Shaw and the rest. My only worry, perhaps unfounded that the manager and players are like the rest of us watching to see what the management does, and it would from their reactions seem that to date not a thing has been settled. Mr Krueger, you need to get moving. Most clubs will have set their plans, will have begun making approaches for players what is going on at Southampton??[/p][/quote]Approaches for players, prior to securing the long term future of the manager, could be folly. If MP won't commit to a new contract, much as it pains me to say this, it would make sense for the board to terminate his contract, and replace him, rather than let him spend whatever budget they are putting up. I don't want that to happen, because MP has been great, for us, but his non committal comments about his future, strike me as someone who is thinking of himself, and not the club. If I were Krueger, with MP constantly saying he won't talk about his future, until the last game has been played, I would pin MP down and set a date for that meeting. And then release the details to the press, as a hands off to other clubs. Costa Baz
  • Score: 2

1:07pm Sat 12 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Costa Baz wrote:
montecristosaint wrote:
This is without doubt the biggest sumer in Saints history coming up. The rivalry between clubs is intense, and Saints have a pointo prove to those clubs who think they have an automatic right to poach our best players.A lot of the speculation rife at the moment is being generated by unpaid young journos guesting for football web sites, but on the basis that there isno smoke without fire Saints management needto step up to the plate, and secure all the objectives that will mark out the club as one of those to watch in the future as contenders for Champions League places. Has Katherina Liebherrs mindset changed since Cortese left?? Has she now got the Southampton bug?? All the indications were that this was a woman who did not like football, who wanted to sell the club who would insist that the club pays its own way. Now what we see, is the same smiling dispostion her father had, who attends games, not just some, but all of them, and who seems determined to stay on board the Saints bus. Itake my hat off to her if that is the case. She will know, better than anyone you canttake your money to the grave with you, so you might as well enjoy it. So if she is having fun at Saints, then let us hope she will once again invest more capital into Southampton and then buy the three or four top players needed to make this club top contenders. And under no circumstances, sell Shaw and the rest. My only worry, perhaps unfounded that the manager and players are like the rest of us watching to see what the management does, and it would from their reactions seem that to date not a thing has been settled. Mr Krueger, you need to get moving. Most clubs will have set their plans, will have begun making approaches for players what is going on at Southampton??
Approaches for players, prior to securing the long term future of the manager, could be folly.

If MP won't commit to a new contract, much as it pains me to say this, it would make sense for the board to terminate his contract, and replace him, rather than let him spend whatever budget they are putting up.
I don't want that to happen, because MP has been great, for us, but his non committal comments about his future, strike me as someone who is thinking of himself, and not the club.

If I were Krueger, with MP constantly saying he won't talk about his future, until the last game has been played, I would pin MP down and set a date for that meeting. And then release the details to the press, as a hands off to other clubs.
Do me a favour, please stop the peevish negative stuff, we don't know yet how things will pan out, but at least we should be hoping and expressing positive thoughts. Just let things run their natural course or just say "Poch please stay, most of us would appreciate that". Ignor the Press, they have no more idea than we do about what is going to happen.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: This is without doubt the biggest sumer in Saints history coming up. The rivalry between clubs is intense, and Saints have a pointo prove to those clubs who think they have an automatic right to poach our best players.A lot of the speculation rife at the moment is being generated by unpaid young journos guesting for football web sites, but on the basis that there isno smoke without fire Saints management needto step up to the plate, and secure all the objectives that will mark out the club as one of those to watch in the future as contenders for Champions League places. Has Katherina Liebherrs mindset changed since Cortese left?? Has she now got the Southampton bug?? All the indications were that this was a woman who did not like football, who wanted to sell the club who would insist that the club pays its own way. Now what we see, is the same smiling dispostion her father had, who attends games, not just some, but all of them, and who seems determined to stay on board the Saints bus. Itake my hat off to her if that is the case. She will know, better than anyone you canttake your money to the grave with you, so you might as well enjoy it. So if she is having fun at Saints, then let us hope she will once again invest more capital into Southampton and then buy the three or four top players needed to make this club top contenders. And under no circumstances, sell Shaw and the rest. My only worry, perhaps unfounded that the manager and players are like the rest of us watching to see what the management does, and it would from their reactions seem that to date not a thing has been settled. Mr Krueger, you need to get moving. Most clubs will have set their plans, will have begun making approaches for players what is going on at Southampton??[/p][/quote]Approaches for players, prior to securing the long term future of the manager, could be folly. If MP won't commit to a new contract, much as it pains me to say this, it would make sense for the board to terminate his contract, and replace him, rather than let him spend whatever budget they are putting up. I don't want that to happen, because MP has been great, for us, but his non committal comments about his future, strike me as someone who is thinking of himself, and not the club. If I were Krueger, with MP constantly saying he won't talk about his future, until the last game has been played, I would pin MP down and set a date for that meeting. And then release the details to the press, as a hands off to other clubs.[/p][/quote]Do me a favour, please stop the peevish negative stuff, we don't know yet how things will pan out, but at least we should be hoping and expressing positive thoughts. Just let things run their natural course or just say "Poch please stay, most of us would appreciate that". Ignor the Press, they have no more idea than we do about what is going to happen. OSPREYSAINT
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