Southampton defender José Fonte believes officials should be dropped if they make a major mistake, as Andre Marriner prepares to take charge of Saints after committing a high-profile blunder

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Saints defender José Fonte says Andre Marriner’s appointment as referee for the Newcastle game will not be a big issue – but he does believe that officials should be dropped after making major mistakes.

Marriner was at the centre of controversy last weekend, when he incorrectly sent off Arsenal defender Kieran Gibbs in the Gunners’ 6-0 defeat to Chelsea, at Stamford Bridge.

Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain had handled the ball in his own area, as he attempted to keep a shot out of the net, but Marriner and his assistants mistakenly identified Gibbs as the culprit.

However, rather than being dropped from the Premier League rotation this week, the 43-year-old has been handed the contest between Saints and Newcastle.

Fonte understands the thinking behind that decision, but says his own view is that officials should be held more accountable.

“It is a question for debate,” he said. “Personally, my opinion is yes. If we make mistakes, we are punished. We get dropped.

“I think, obviously, some might argue that it is good, some might argue that it is not, but I personally think that they should get dropped as well and don’t referee for a couple of weeks to realise what went wrong.

“I just think when the mistake is very, very bad, you need to stop and think ‘What can I do better?’”

But Fonte does not believe what happened with Marriner last week will be a distraction tomorrow.

“I don’t think that it’s going to be a big issue,” he said.

“We know that he has a tough job to do, but I am sure he will want to be perfect on Saturday and we players need to focus on our game, so there is not much that we can say about that.

“I don’t think we are going to focus on that.”

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12:24pm Fri 28 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Fair enough but who would be responsible for giving Referees a yellow card!
Referees that make errors and get off scot free, find that they lose the respect of the players and supporters alike and that cannot be good for the game. There should a form of discipline applicable to them which matches the severity of the error, (fines? / suspension?), I don't know what would be appropriate, once they have served the punishment, move on and hopefully they won't do it again. To be untouchable is unacceptable.
Fair enough but who would be responsible for giving Referees a yellow card! Referees that make errors and get off scot free, find that they lose the respect of the players and supporters alike and that cannot be good for the game. There should a form of discipline applicable to them which matches the severity of the error, (fines? / suspension?), I don't know what would be appropriate, once they have served the punishment, move on and hopefully they won't do it again. To be untouchable is unacceptable. OSPREYSAINT
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12:28pm Fri 28 Mar 14

hedge end bob says...

Should of gone to Spec Savers!!!!!
Should of gone to Spec Savers!!!!! hedge end bob
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2:12pm Fri 28 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

hedge end bob wrote:
Should of gone to Spec Savers!!!!!
Should HAVE gone to school!
[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: Should of gone to Spec Savers!!!!![/p][/quote]Should HAVE gone to school! OSPREYSAINT
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2:31pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Saint Madcap says...

I wonder if The Northam do requests?

Could you please sing "Who are you" to Mr Marriner when he books a player.

Who are you who who, who who ;)
I wonder if The Northam do requests? Could you please sing "Who are you" to Mr Marriner when he books a player. Who are you who who, who who ;) Saint Madcap
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2:41pm Fri 28 Mar 14

stay local says...

I think the players involved should also be held responsible, when the wrong player was booked immediately then the correct player should have made the error known, otherwise they were cheating.
I think the players involved should also be held responsible, when the wrong player was booked immediately then the correct player should have made the error known, otherwise they were cheating. stay local
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2:47pm Fri 28 Mar 14

hedge end bob says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
hedge end bob wrote: Should of gone to Spec Savers!!!!!
Should HAVE gone to school!
I DID BORSTALL, CAN'T WRITE, CAN'T SPELL BUT I DON'T TAKE THE PIZZ OUT OF OTHER POSTERS!!!!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: Should of gone to Spec Savers!!!!![/p][/quote]Should HAVE gone to school![/p][/quote]I DID BORSTALL, CAN'T WRITE, CAN'T SPELL BUT I DON'T TAKE THE PIZZ OUT OF OTHER POSTERS!!!! hedge end bob
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2:51pm Fri 28 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

stay local wrote:
I think the players involved should also be held responsible, when the wrong player was booked immediately then the correct player should have made the error known, otherwise they were cheating.
Oxo clearly made it clear to the Referee that he had done the dirty deed, the Referee chose to ignor him, treating him as a liar, and that is one of the reasons I disliked it more than usual, basically accusing the player of trying to deceive him. After this no player is going to bother to own up as he will probably not be believed anyway.
[quote][p][bold]stay local[/bold] wrote: I think the players involved should also be held responsible, when the wrong player was booked immediately then the correct player should have made the error known, otherwise they were cheating.[/p][/quote]Oxo clearly made it clear to the Referee that he had done the dirty deed, the Referee chose to ignor him, treating him as a liar, and that is one of the reasons I disliked it more than usual, basically accusing the player of trying to deceive him. After this no player is going to bother to own up as he will probably not be believed anyway. OSPREYSAINT
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2:53pm Fri 28 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

hedge end bob wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
hedge end bob wrote: Should of gone to Spec Savers!!!!!
Should HAVE gone to school!
I DID BORSTALL, CAN'T WRITE, CAN'T SPELL BUT I DON'T TAKE THE PIZZ OUT OF OTHER POSTERS!!!!
Why not it mostly harmless! Strewth, borstal, I haven't heard that term used for a few years, it was all the rage when I was avoiding being a naughty boy.....
[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: Should of gone to Spec Savers!!!!![/p][/quote]Should HAVE gone to school![/p][/quote]I DID BORSTALL, CAN'T WRITE, CAN'T SPELL BUT I DON'T TAKE THE PIZZ OUT OF OTHER POSTERS!!!![/p][/quote]Why not it mostly harmless! Strewth, borstal, I haven't heard that term used for a few years, it was all the rage when I was avoiding being a naughty boy..... OSPREYSAINT
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2:56pm Fri 28 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
hedge end bob wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
hedge end bob wrote: Should of gone to Spec Savers!!!!!
Should HAVE gone to school!
I DID BORSTALL, CAN'T WRITE, CAN'T SPELL BUT I DON'T TAKE THE PIZZ OUT OF OTHER POSTERS!!!!
Why not it mostly harmless! Strewth, borstal, I haven't heard that term used for a few years, it was all the rage when I was avoiding being a naughty boy.....
Sorry heb didn't mean to upset you, just a pet hate of mine, Did you realise that Borstals were abolished in 1982, Youth Custody Centres they are today, like me you are one of the good OLD boys.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: Should of gone to Spec Savers!!!!![/p][/quote]Should HAVE gone to school![/p][/quote]I DID BORSTALL, CAN'T WRITE, CAN'T SPELL BUT I DON'T TAKE THE PIZZ OUT OF OTHER POSTERS!!!![/p][/quote]Why not it mostly harmless! Strewth, borstal, I haven't heard that term used for a few years, it was all the rage when I was avoiding being a naughty boy.....[/p][/quote]Sorry heb didn't mean to upset you, just a pet hate of mine, Did you realise that Borstals were abolished in 1982, Youth Custody Centres they are today, like me you are one of the good OLD boys. OSPREYSAINT
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3:28pm Fri 28 Mar 14

BowesSaint says...

hedge end bob wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
hedge end bob wrote: Should of gone to Spec Savers!!!!!
Should HAVE gone to school!
I DID BORSTALL, CAN'T WRITE, CAN'T SPELL BUT I DON'T TAKE THE PIZZ OUT OF OTHER POSTERS!!!!
never mind the spelling what about am original thought for f@#ks sake !!
[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: Should of gone to Spec Savers!!!!![/p][/quote]Should HAVE gone to school![/p][/quote]I DID BORSTALL, CAN'T WRITE, CAN'T SPELL BUT I DON'T TAKE THE PIZZ OUT OF OTHER POSTERS!!!![/p][/quote]never mind the spelling what about am original thought for f@#ks sake !! BowesSaint
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3:34pm Fri 28 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

BowesSaint wrote:
hedge end bob wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
hedge end bob wrote: Should of gone to Spec Savers!!!!!
Should HAVE gone to school!
I DID BORSTALL, CAN'T WRITE, CAN'T SPELL BUT I DON'T TAKE THE PIZZ OUT OF OTHER POSTERS!!!!
never mind the spelling what about am original thought for f@#ks sake !!
Good idea, what is your take on Andre Marriner, good Referee who made a bit of a rickett or not?
[quote][p][bold]BowesSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: Should of gone to Spec Savers!!!!![/p][/quote]Should HAVE gone to school![/p][/quote]I DID BORSTALL, CAN'T WRITE, CAN'T SPELL BUT I DON'T TAKE THE PIZZ OUT OF OTHER POSTERS!!!![/p][/quote]never mind the spelling what about am original thought for f@#ks sake !![/p][/quote]Good idea, what is your take on Andre Marriner, good Referee who made a bit of a rickett or not? OSPREYSAINT
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5:18pm Fri 28 Mar 14

el caballo santos101 says...

there have been various ref who have been dropped for `the next game` over the years, with our favourite Mr clutterburke being one.
the only ref I can remember being dropped back to the lower leagues for good was Uriah Rennie. for those too young to remember him think of him as another Clutterburke, only worse (I know that's hard to believe). Mr Rennie was an absolutely awful ref but even then it took years for him to be `punished`. he made the game all about him, with one club announcer even saying over the PA `welcome to the second half of the Uriah Rennie show` as the teams came back on to the pitch (championship game between preston and palace). he was constantly accused of talking to the players with little or no respect, yet demanded respect from them. he made several big blunders and the game write up in the press were mostly about him and his errors.
I would have thought that Marriner should have been dropped for at least 2 games. the FA though want to protect refs, which is why managers get touchline bans and fines for criticizing them. the FA believe that if they don't protect refs then no one will want to become a ref in the future. lets not forget the big `respect` campaign they ran a few years ago.
there have been various ref who have been dropped for `the next game` over the years, with our favourite Mr clutterburke being one. the only ref I can remember being dropped back to the lower leagues for good was Uriah Rennie. for those too young to remember him think of him as another Clutterburke, only worse (I know that's hard to believe). Mr Rennie was an absolutely awful ref but even then it took years for him to be `punished`. he made the game all about him, with one club announcer even saying over the PA `welcome to the second half of the Uriah Rennie show` as the teams came back on to the pitch (championship game between preston and palace). he was constantly accused of talking to the players with little or no respect, yet demanded respect from them. he made several big blunders and the game write up in the press were mostly about him and his errors. I would have thought that Marriner should have been dropped for at least 2 games. the FA though want to protect refs, which is why managers get touchline bans and fines for criticizing them. the FA believe that if they don't protect refs then no one will want to become a ref in the future. lets not forget the big `respect` campaign they ran a few years ago. el caballo santos101
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6:40pm Fri 28 Mar 14

lowe esteem says...

Not with you on this one Jose.
Refs have to make a lot more decisions than players, don't get paid as much, get more abuse, and do try and keep the game flowing. There are a very, very small minority who 'showboat' and an even lesser number that are poor, but these are nearly always found out, and drift back down the pyramid very quickly. All in all, the standard of refereeing is incredibly high when compared to say, professional footballers, who err and offend frequently.
For instance, who's not fed up with the boorish behaviour of the players who 'charge' over to an incident and inflame it by trying to manhandle the opponents away. Forthuks ache what's wrong with dragging your own players away?
Don't get me started, (cheating/simulation etc) never done more than run the line for the Local Drunks League meself- but who'd be a referee honestly? I think this bloke should get support on the eve of a game, Mr Fonte (like you expect from your Manager and fans). Respect the ref campaign my RRR's!
Not with you on this one Jose. Refs have to make a lot more decisions than players, don't get paid as much, get more abuse, and do try and keep the game flowing. There are a very, very small minority who 'showboat' and an even lesser number that are poor, but these are nearly always found out, and drift back down the pyramid very quickly. All in all, the standard of refereeing is incredibly high when compared to say, professional footballers, who err and offend frequently. For instance, who's not fed up with the boorish behaviour of the players who 'charge' over to an incident and inflame it by trying to manhandle the opponents away. Forthuks ache what's wrong with dragging your own players away? Don't get me started, (cheating/simulation etc) never done more than run the line for the Local Drunks League meself- but who'd be a referee honestly? I think this bloke should get support on the eve of a game, Mr Fonte (like you expect from your Manager and fans). Respect the ref campaign my RRR's! lowe esteem
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8:38pm Fri 28 Mar 14

tarquin farquharson says...

A shocking referee, along with Atkinson, and Clattenberg, these three have gone out of their way on several previous occasions to give Saints absolutely nothing out of games since we have been back in the Premier League.
A shocking referee, along with Atkinson, and Clattenberg, these three have gone out of their way on several previous occasions to give Saints absolutely nothing out of games since we have been back in the Premier League. tarquin farquharson
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9:01pm Fri 28 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

tarquin farquharson wrote:
A shocking referee, along with Atkinson, and Clattenberg, these three have gone out of their way on several previous occasions to give Saints absolutely nothing out of games since we have been back in the Premier League.
How do you explain the fact we have not lost since we came back into the Premier with him in charge?
This season D 0 - 0 WHU. W 2 - 0 Fulham. W 3 - 0 Cardiff.
[quote][p][bold]tarquin farquharson[/bold] wrote: A shocking referee, along with Atkinson, and Clattenberg, these three have gone out of their way on several previous occasions to give Saints absolutely nothing out of games since we have been back in the Premier League.[/p][/quote]How do you explain the fact we have not lost since we came back into the Premier with him in charge? This season D 0 - 0 WHU. W 2 - 0 Fulham. W 3 - 0 Cardiff. OSPREYSAINT
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10:29pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Malcombe says...

I joined the Southampton Referee's Associating in 1991 after passing my oral Exam to start as a Class 3 at 47 years old, there wasn't any Practical the next step is to Referee a game. The Referee Appointment Secretary appointed me to a game in the Lower Division of grass roots Southampton Saturday afternoon League, he might as well of Appointed me to the grass roots Southampton Saturday afternoon Premier League because it's 22 +Subs men against 1 man in black, it was an experience I'll never forget and the Appointment Secretary was there to give me tips at half time and full time in the Dressing Room and was I grateful.

The Players don't have any sympathy for a novice Referee, I foolishly told them it was my first game it was my naivety because they then tried to take control of every decision, I had to quickly mature and decide that I would not be intimidated so I took control more by bluff and it worked, I went to the Dressing Room and thought do I want this every week or is this is my first and last, it didn't take me long to fall in love with Refereeing.

Over 9 years I worked hard to be a good Referee and Linesman another job for a Referee that I never had any instructions where my first running the Line was at Wide Lane I was nervous but totally dedicated. I was Assessed many times to get my Class 1 and was told if I thought I'd made the correct decision regarding any offence by a Player I must not change that decision because my life will be made hell by the Players if I admitted my mistake and change my mind they would continue to give me grief, of course I made mistakes ie giving a corner when it should be a goal kick etc, naturally Players would have words with me but I always did what I was instructed and stuck to my decisions, the Players quickly get over it and most forget it by the end of the game.At Society Meetings the talk was about Refereeing where many tips from experience Referees are learnt and taken in for the next game.

The Premiership Referees will of gone through the same as me starting at Grass Roots and there Training was exactly the same, they have to take a fitness test every Summer unlike me because I was too old to get to the top but I trained every week and had my own Tread Mill because I loved being a Referee. The Premier Referees are Assessed in every game and often an Assistant Referee will raise his flag for an offence but the Referee has the final word, one bit of body language in Refereeing is if an Assistant thinks it's a penalty but the Referee thinks it's not, the Referee will put his arms down low behind his back and link his hands to signal to the Assistant that it's not a penalty.

Punishment for a Referee for a very big mistake like the Arsenal game is a difficult one because he could of affected the result, Referees are human beings and not infallible but here lies the question, what punishment? One thing that can never happen in all the top Football Leagues in the world is there cannot be a Game of Football without Officials

The most important things to being a Referee is confidence, dedication plus 100% concentration and man management, adopt these skills and it can be very enjoyable as I found out.
I joined the Southampton Referee's Associating in 1991 after passing my oral Exam to start as a Class 3 at 47 years old, there wasn't any Practical the next step is to Referee a game. The Referee Appointment Secretary appointed me to a game in the Lower Division of grass roots Southampton Saturday afternoon League, he might as well of Appointed me to the grass roots Southampton Saturday afternoon Premier League because it's 22 +Subs men against 1 man in black, it was an experience I'll never forget and the Appointment Secretary was there to give me tips at half time and full time in the Dressing Room and was I grateful. The Players don't have any sympathy for a novice Referee, I foolishly told them it was my first game it was my naivety because they then tried to take control of every decision, I had to quickly mature and decide that I would not be intimidated so I took control more by bluff and it worked, I went to the Dressing Room and thought do I want this every week or is this is my first and last, it didn't take me long to fall in love with Refereeing. Over 9 years I worked hard to be a good Referee and Linesman another job for a Referee that I never had any instructions where my first running the Line was at Wide Lane I was nervous but totally dedicated. I was Assessed many times to get my Class 1 and was told if I thought I'd made the correct decision regarding any offence by a Player I must not change that decision because my life will be made hell by the Players if I admitted my mistake and change my mind they would continue to give me grief, of course I made mistakes ie giving a corner when it should be a goal kick etc, naturally Players would have words with me but I always did what I was instructed and stuck to my decisions, the Players quickly get over it and most forget it by the end of the game.At Society Meetings the talk was about Refereeing where many tips from experience Referees are learnt and taken in for the next game. The Premiership Referees will of gone through the same as me starting at Grass Roots and there Training was exactly the same, they have to take a fitness test every Summer unlike me because I was too old to get to the top but I trained every week and had my own Tread Mill because I loved being a Referee. The Premier Referees are Assessed in every game and often an Assistant Referee will raise his flag for an offence but the Referee has the final word, one bit of body language in Refereeing is if an Assistant thinks it's a penalty but the Referee thinks it's not, the Referee will put his arms down low behind his back and link his hands to signal to the Assistant that it's not a penalty. Punishment for a Referee for a very big mistake like the Arsenal game is a difficult one because he could of affected the result, Referees are human beings and not infallible but here lies the question, what punishment? One thing that can never happen in all the top Football Leagues in the world is there cannot be a Game of Football without Officials The most important things to being a Referee is confidence, dedication plus 100% concentration and man management, adopt these skills and it can be very enjoyable as I found out. Malcombe
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10:58pm Fri 28 Mar 14

redsnapper says...

A bit hypocritical Jose..your mistakes of late have been increasing and you have not been dropped.
A bit hypocritical Jose..your mistakes of late have been increasing and you have not been dropped. redsnapper
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8:34am Sat 29 Mar 14

hedge end bob says...

Osprey and Bowes saint, suggest you read your own comments before pointing out my lack of education. I believe it should be it's not its and an instead of am . Surprised at you two boffins or should that be baffoons ???
Osprey and Bowes saint, suggest you read your own comments before pointing out my lack of education. I believe it should be it's not its and an instead of am . Surprised at you two boffins or should that be baffoons ??? hedge end bob
  • Score: 1

10:02am Sat 29 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

hedge end bob wrote:
Osprey and Bowes saint, suggest you read your own comments before pointing out my lack of education. I believe it should be it's not its and an instead of am . Surprised at you two boffins or should that be baffoons ???
As I said in previous posts, the "would of / would have" thing is a personal hate, I don't know why people still do it having been reminded often enough, I also wondered if it was now taught in schools these days and has become normal? The other posts are purely for a tease, some of the mispellings are rather amusing and are part and parcel of texting these days. I do appreciate posters that get the players name spelling correct, but it isn't a real deal. Useful if someone posts garbage you can use it against them. The misplaced apostrophe thing, that is a minefield, it is very easy to get that wrong unless you take the trouble to look it up before posting! Just keep posting and ignor the critics, if you believe in what you say, is fact, then there should be no problem at all.
[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: Osprey and Bowes saint, suggest you read your own comments before pointing out my lack of education. I believe it should be it's not its and an instead of am . Surprised at you two boffins or should that be baffoons ???[/p][/quote]As I said in previous posts, the "would of / would have" thing is a personal hate, I don't know why people still do it having been reminded often enough, I also wondered if it was now taught in schools these days and has become normal? The other posts are purely for a tease, some of the mispellings are rather amusing and are part and parcel of texting these days. I do appreciate posters that get the players name spelling correct, but it isn't a real deal. Useful if someone posts garbage you can use it against them. The misplaced apostrophe thing, that is a minefield, it is very easy to get that wrong unless you take the trouble to look it up before posting! Just keep posting and ignor the critics, if you believe in what you say, is fact, then there should be no problem at all. OSPREYSAINT
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10:40am Sat 29 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

It is ironic that posters that have been criticising the Referees are the ones that make the most errors when posting on here!
It is ironic that posters that have been criticising the Referees are the ones that make the most errors when posting on here! OSPREYSAINT
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6:00pm Sat 29 Mar 14

lowe esteem says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
It is ironic that posters that have been criticising the Referees are the ones that make the most errors when posting on here!
...and the referee...(as above)?

Oh, ref dun gud tuday to, so cred it wear (not tyne) its'''' jew aye?

Man of the Match behind Lallana, Jrod, SRL, Chambers, S Davis, Corky, JWP, Shaw, Lovren, Fonte, and Boruc in that order. Whilst Eliot had a fantastic game in goal for Leslie Neilsen's men, keeping us to single figures, I can't elevate him any higher, as it's a team game and Saints -to a man- were on top of their game. My only criticism is how Iong it took for the first goal, but perseverance and determination can become integral to this team's improvement and success. Keep the nucleus of this group together and the sky's the limit.
Match've the Day should be a good watch.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: It is ironic that posters that have been criticising the Referees are the ones that make the most errors when posting on here![/p][/quote]...and the referee...(as above)? Oh, ref dun gud tuday to, so cred it wear (not tyne) its'''' jew aye? Man of the Match behind Lallana, Jrod, SRL, Chambers, S Davis, Corky, JWP, Shaw, Lovren, Fonte, and Boruc in that order. Whilst Eliot had a fantastic game in goal for Leslie Neilsen's men, keeping us to single figures, I can't elevate him any higher, as it's a team game and Saints -to a man- were on top of their game. My only criticism is how Iong it took for the first goal, but perseverance and determination can become integral to this team's improvement and success. Keep the nucleus of this group together and the sky's the limit. Match've the Day should be a good watch. lowe esteem
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