Poch: We'll discuss my future in summer

Basingstoke Gazette: Mauricio Pochettino Mauricio Pochettino

Mauricio Pochettino doesn’t intend to discuss his future with Saints until the season is over.

He is adamant he wishes to focus on pushing his team to the highest possible Premier League finish.

Pochettino also reiterated that extending his current contract is not a priority to him, although he conceded the club may view it differently.

There has been fevered speculation as to whether the popular manager, whose deal expires at the end of next season, will remain at St Mary’s long term following the departure of Nicola Cortese in January.

There is also further talk as to whether Saints should tie down first teamers such as Jose Fonte, Jack Cork and Artur Boruc to new contracts with their deals set to run out at the same time as their manager.

Pochettino confessed he needs detailed discussions with those now running the club in order to make calm and informed decisions over his future.

He sees little way that could, or indeed should, happen during the run-in to the end of the season.

He said: “It (player contracts) should be and it is a priority for the club. I really can’t speak further about their situation, I can only speak about my situation.

“It is difficult to answer you.

“At the moment, we’re in the midst of finishing the competition as best as possible.

“I am not a manager to speak about individual situations when we’re in the middle of doing that, which also includes my own personal, individual circumstances.

“I think the fact that I still have an additional year on my contract is proof enough that we should be focusing on the league, focusing on the competitions.

“After these six weeks, then we can speak about things in a calm manner and I can get to know more how the club wants to move forward, what the new project at the club is and how we move forward from then on.

“With everything that has happened in January, with the arrival of a new team, a new vision for the football club, a new vision in a commercial and sporting sense, I don’t think it is time to be speaking about decisions or making abrupt decisions.

“I think once the season is over, we can make a deep analysis of how we want to move forward.

“We want to listen, especially more than anything to the new team, how they want to forward with the new team and from then on we can make a decision with the new team about how we move forward.”

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7:10am Fri 28 Mar 14

Little Hitler says...

All sounds very sensible to me, it's called The Southampton Way and is based on sound logic.

Meanwhile, at the smelly end of the M27, the new manager will be chosen based entirely on their eBay feedback score. I'm a 100%er myself but it didn't interest me.
All sounds very sensible to me, it's called The Southampton Way and is based on sound logic. Meanwhile, at the smelly end of the M27, the new manager will be chosen based entirely on their eBay feedback score. I'm a 100%er myself but it didn't interest me. Little Hitler
  • Score: 38

7:32am Fri 28 Mar 14

Clever Dick says...

Little Hitler wrote:
All sounds very sensible to me, it's called The Southampton Way and is based on sound logic.

Meanwhile, at the smelly end of the M27, the new manager will be chosen based entirely on their eBay feedback score. I'm a 100%er myself but it didn't interest me.
Yeah. One of their board members was interviewed on SKY and said they had to take this decision as they didn't want to be seen to be panicking. LMFAO. 7 games to go and sacking your manager and replacing him with the academy manager when they have a cr@p academy insn't panicking? Come on Newport.
[quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: All sounds very sensible to me, it's called The Southampton Way and is based on sound logic. Meanwhile, at the smelly end of the M27, the new manager will be chosen based entirely on their eBay feedback score. I'm a 100%er myself but it didn't interest me.[/p][/quote]Yeah. One of their board members was interviewed on SKY and said they had to take this decision as they didn't want to be seen to be panicking. LMFAO. 7 games to go and sacking your manager and replacing him with the academy manager when they have a cr@p academy insn't panicking? Come on Newport. Clever Dick
  • Score: 25

8:10am Fri 28 Mar 14

Marchwood Malcom says...

I hate to say it but I can't see us keeping hold of him. He's a great manager who will already be on the radar of bigger clubs. I think our only hope of keeping him is if the club stump up major cash in the summer for him to buy, thus demonstrating the club's ambition.
I hate to say it but I can't see us keeping hold of him. He's a great manager who will already be on the radar of bigger clubs. I think our only hope of keeping him is if the club stump up major cash in the summer for him to buy, thus demonstrating the club's ambition. Marchwood Malcom
  • Score: 15

8:16am Fri 28 Mar 14

Saintsayer II says...

With a bit of luck MoPo will decide that his future lies somewhere other than Southampton
As much as I have enjoyed a lot of the games his coaching tends to be one dimensional and he has probably taken us as far as he can Plenty of coaches in this world who can come in and take us further
With a bit of luck MoPo will decide that his future lies somewhere other than Southampton As much as I have enjoyed a lot of the games his coaching tends to be one dimensional and he has probably taken us as far as he can Plenty of coaches in this world who can come in and take us further Saintsayer II
  • Score: -52

8:31am Fri 28 Mar 14

Sainty saint saint says...

Marchwood Malcom wrote:
I hate to say it but I can't see us keeping hold of him. He's a great manager who will already be on the radar of bigger clubs. I think our only hope of keeping him is if the club stump up major cash in the summer for him to buy, thus demonstrating the club's ambition.
Where would he go though?
[quote][p][bold]Marchwood Malcom[/bold] wrote: I hate to say it but I can't see us keeping hold of him. He's a great manager who will already be on the radar of bigger clubs. I think our only hope of keeping him is if the club stump up major cash in the summer for him to buy, thus demonstrating the club's ambition.[/p][/quote]Where would he go though? Sainty saint saint
  • Score: -4

8:35am Fri 28 Mar 14

invictus says...

It's time Krueger have us a statement of intent about the club's ambitions. Full stop.
It's time Krueger have us a statement of intent about the club's ambitions. Full stop. invictus
  • Score: 23

8:38am Fri 28 Mar 14

SiamSaint says...

Sainty saint saint wrote:
Marchwood Malcom wrote:
I hate to say it but I can't see us keeping hold of him. He's a great manager who will already be on the radar of bigger clubs. I think our only hope of keeping him is if the club stump up major cash in the summer for him to buy, thus demonstrating the club's ambition.
Where would he go though?
He's not going to walk into the Barcelona, Bayern or even Manure job. He's settled, brought his kids over to Hampshire... as long as he has harmony (and a few more quid in his arse pocket, and money to spend on players - like the fee we hope to get for Osdildo) I feel he will stay. With Nicola gone, the project and the glory is all his.
[quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marchwood Malcom[/bold] wrote: I hate to say it but I can't see us keeping hold of him. He's a great manager who will already be on the radar of bigger clubs. I think our only hope of keeping him is if the club stump up major cash in the summer for him to buy, thus demonstrating the club's ambition.[/p][/quote]Where would he go though?[/p][/quote]He's not going to walk into the Barcelona, Bayern or even Manure job. He's settled, brought his kids over to Hampshire... as long as he has harmony (and a few more quid in his arse pocket, and money to spend on players - like the fee we hope to get for Osdildo) I feel he will stay. With Nicola gone, the project and the glory is all his. SiamSaint
  • Score: 27

8:42am Fri 28 Mar 14

Jan28th1984 says...

All in good time! Let the man make his own decisions about his future, he's a big boy now and he can make his own mind up. He owes it to himself and his family to make the best decision for himself.
There's no rush, we've got him for another year yet and he is focussed on our last seven games so don't worry about it.
I hope he stays but if he wants to go then good luck to him. This club doesn't want anyone who doesn't want to be here.
He is a young manager still learning the game. More cunning managers this season have found him out but with greater resources he can fight them back.
Like he says he will have a sit down with the decision makers at the club and discuss it all in a calm and orderly manner. The decisions about investment in the squad, retention (or not) of key players and the future of the management team will be made sanely, soberly, and properly, unlike some other clubs I can think of.

Fellow Saints! 45 points on the board and no relegation worries from the top flight with seven games left...most of us would have been well pleased with this situation just a few short years ago.
All in good time! Let the man make his own decisions about his future, he's a big boy now and he can make his own mind up. He owes it to himself and his family to make the best decision for himself. There's no rush, we've got him for another year yet and he is focussed on our last seven games so don't worry about it. I hope he stays but if he wants to go then good luck to him. This club doesn't want anyone who doesn't want to be here. He is a young manager still learning the game. More cunning managers this season have found him out but with greater resources he can fight them back. Like he says he will have a sit down with the decision makers at the club and discuss it all in a calm and orderly manner. The decisions about investment in the squad, retention (or not) of key players and the future of the management team will be made sanely, soberly, and properly, unlike some other clubs I can think of. Fellow Saints! 45 points on the board and no relegation worries from the top flight with seven games left...most of us would have been well pleased with this situation just a few short years ago. Jan28th1984
  • Score: 42

8:43am Fri 28 Mar 14

Folkestone Saint says...

If the club have the same vision as NC's then I can see him staying, but if the board are happy with mid-table oblivion or worse then I feel he will go as that is not what Mopo signed up for when he joined us.
p.s. how many more teams are the tabloids going to sell Luke to, it's R Madrid now?
If the club have the same vision as NC's then I can see him staying, but if the board are happy with mid-table oblivion or worse then I feel he will go as that is not what Mopo signed up for when he joined us. p.s. how many more teams are the tabloids going to sell Luke to, it's R Madrid now? Folkestone Saint
  • Score: 14

8:47am Fri 28 Mar 14

Folkestone Saint says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Little Hitler wrote:
All sounds very sensible to me, it's called The Southampton Way and is based on sound logic.

Meanwhile, at the smelly end of the M27, the new manager will be chosen based entirely on their eBay feedback score. I'm a 100%er myself but it didn't interest me.
Yeah. One of their board members was interviewed on SKY and said they had to take this decision as they didn't want to be seen to be panicking. LMFAO. 7 games to go and sacking your manager and replacing him with the academy manager when they have a cr@p academy insn't panicking? Come on Newport.
we should loan a few players to "Northamton" as it would be ironic if they sent them down
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: All sounds very sensible to me, it's called The Southampton Way and is based on sound logic. Meanwhile, at the smelly end of the M27, the new manager will be chosen based entirely on their eBay feedback score. I'm a 100%er myself but it didn't interest me.[/p][/quote]Yeah. One of their board members was interviewed on SKY and said they had to take this decision as they didn't want to be seen to be panicking. LMFAO. 7 games to go and sacking your manager and replacing him with the academy manager when they have a cr@p academy insn't panicking? Come on Newport.[/p][/quote]we should loan a few players to "Northamton" as it would be ironic if they sent them down Folkestone Saint
  • Score: 17

8:49am Fri 28 Mar 14

Folkestone Saint says...

Folkestone Saint wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Little Hitler wrote:
All sounds very sensible to me, it's called The Southampton Way and is based on sound logic.

Meanwhile, at the smelly end of the M27, the new manager will be chosen based entirely on their eBay feedback score. I'm a 100%er myself but it didn't interest me.
Yeah. One of their board members was interviewed on SKY and said they had to take this decision as they didn't want to be seen to be panicking. LMFAO. 7 games to go and sacking your manager and replacing him with the academy manager when they have a cr@p academy insn't panicking? Come on Newport.
we should loan a few players to "Northamton" as it would be ironic if they sent them down
Oop's I forgot to "P", best get off to work
[quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: All sounds very sensible to me, it's called The Southampton Way and is based on sound logic. Meanwhile, at the smelly end of the M27, the new manager will be chosen based entirely on their eBay feedback score. I'm a 100%er myself but it didn't interest me.[/p][/quote]Yeah. One of their board members was interviewed on SKY and said they had to take this decision as they didn't want to be seen to be panicking. LMFAO. 7 games to go and sacking your manager and replacing him with the academy manager when they have a cr@p academy insn't panicking? Come on Newport.[/p][/quote]we should loan a few players to "Northamton" as it would be ironic if they sent them down[/p][/quote]Oop's I forgot to "P", best get off to work Folkestone Saint
  • Score: 0

9:05am Fri 28 Mar 14

jrod11 says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Little Hitler wrote:
All sounds very sensible to me, it's called The Southampton Way and is based on sound logic.

Meanwhile, at the smelly end of the M27, the new manager will be chosen based entirely on their eBay feedback score. I'm a 100%er myself but it didn't interest me.
Yeah. One of their board members was interviewed on SKY and said they had to take this decision as they didn't want to be seen to be panicking. LMFAO. 7 games to go and sacking your manager and replacing him with the academy manager when they have a cr@p academy insn't panicking? Come on Newport.
Well said Dick.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: All sounds very sensible to me, it's called The Southampton Way and is based on sound logic. Meanwhile, at the smelly end of the M27, the new manager will be chosen based entirely on their eBay feedback score. I'm a 100%er myself but it didn't interest me.[/p][/quote]Yeah. One of their board members was interviewed on SKY and said they had to take this decision as they didn't want to be seen to be panicking. LMFAO. 7 games to go and sacking your manager and replacing him with the academy manager when they have a cr@p academy insn't panicking? Come on Newport.[/p][/quote]Well said Dick. jrod11
  • Score: -3

9:08am Fri 28 Mar 14

saint Compo says...

Trying to read between the lines, does he see himself as committed at least to completing his contract? If Pocho goes in the summer, it will damage our chances of retaining our star players who, according to the media, are big clubs' targets. If he is unwilling to sign a new contract in the summer, the writing's on the wall anyway and players will still become unsettled and look elsewhere. In those circumstances Pocho will probably have to be released if approached by a big club.

What's critical in either of these scenarios is that Saints have in in view a very strong, high profile manager ready to appoint quickly in order to have any hope of keeping the stars. Isn't the previous Bayern Munich manager (a German!) still without a club?

COYR
Trying to read between the lines, does he see himself as committed at least to completing his contract? If Pocho goes in the summer, it will damage our chances of retaining our star players who, according to the media, are big clubs' targets. If he is unwilling to sign a new contract in the summer, the writing's on the wall anyway and players will still become unsettled and look elsewhere. In those circumstances Pocho will probably have to be released if approached by a big club. What's critical in either of these scenarios is that Saints have in in view a very strong, high profile manager ready to appoint quickly in order to have any hope of keeping the stars. Isn't the previous Bayern Munich manager (a German!) still without a club? COYR saint Compo
  • Score: -3

9:10am Fri 28 Mar 14

jrod11 says...

Poch has done well but anyone will realise the club will not match his ambitions of Champions league football.
Poch has done well but anyone will realise the club will not match his ambitions of Champions league football. jrod11
  • Score: -25

9:35am Fri 28 Mar 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Saintsayer II wrote:
With a bit of luck MoPo will decide that his future lies somewhere other than Southampton
As much as I have enjoyed a lot of the games his coaching tends to be one dimensional and he has probably taken us as far as he can Plenty of coaches in this world who can come in and take us further
Such as?
[quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: With a bit of luck MoPo will decide that his future lies somewhere other than Southampton As much as I have enjoyed a lot of the games his coaching tends to be one dimensional and he has probably taken us as far as he can Plenty of coaches in this world who can come in and take us further[/p][/quote]Such as? Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 1

9:45am Fri 28 Mar 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Little Hitler wrote:
All sounds very sensible to me, it's called The Southampton Way and is based on sound logic.

Meanwhile, at the smelly end of the M27, the new manager will be chosen based entirely on their eBay feedback score. I'm a 100%er myself but it didn't interest me.
Yeah. One of their board members was interviewed on SKY and said they had to take this decision as they didn't want to be seen to be panicking. LMFAO. 7 games to go and sacking your manager and replacing him with the academy manager when they have a cr@p academy insn't panicking? Come on Newport.
If MP did leave, it wouldn't be the end of the world. Lest we forget, Richie Barker would be available.

Oh, wait a minute .......... :)
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: All sounds very sensible to me, it's called The Southampton Way and is based on sound logic. Meanwhile, at the smelly end of the M27, the new manager will be chosen based entirely on their eBay feedback score. I'm a 100%er myself but it didn't interest me.[/p][/quote]Yeah. One of their board members was interviewed on SKY and said they had to take this decision as they didn't want to be seen to be panicking. LMFAO. 7 games to go and sacking your manager and replacing him with the academy manager when they have a cr@p academy insn't panicking? Come on Newport.[/p][/quote]If MP did leave, it wouldn't be the end of the world. Lest we forget, Richie Barker would be available. Oh, wait a minute .......... :) Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 2

9:46am Fri 28 Mar 14

jrod11 says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
With a bit of luck MoPo will decide that his future lies somewhere other than Southampton
As much as I have enjoyed a lot of the games his coaching tends to be one dimensional and he has probably taken us as far as he can Plenty of coaches in this world who can come in and take us further
Such as?
Barker is available and would be a cheap option.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: With a bit of luck MoPo will decide that his future lies somewhere other than Southampton As much as I have enjoyed a lot of the games his coaching tends to be one dimensional and he has probably taken us as far as he can Plenty of coaches in this world who can come in and take us further[/p][/quote]Such as?[/p][/quote]Barker is available and would be a cheap option. jrod11
  • Score: -15

9:50am Fri 28 Mar 14

jrod11 says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
With a bit of luck MoPo will decide that his future lies somewhere other than Southampton
As much as I have enjoyed a lot of the games his coaching tends to be one dimensional and he has probably taken us as far as he can Plenty of coaches in this world who can come in and take us further
Such as?
David Moyes ?
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: With a bit of luck MoPo will decide that his future lies somewhere other than Southampton As much as I have enjoyed a lot of the games his coaching tends to be one dimensional and he has probably taken us as far as he can Plenty of coaches in this world who can come in and take us further[/p][/quote]Such as?[/p][/quote]David Moyes ? jrod11
  • Score: -18

10:01am Fri 28 Mar 14

Velleity says...

jrod11 wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Little Hitler wrote:
All sounds very sensible to me, it's called The Southampton Way and is based on sound logic.

Meanwhile, at the smelly end of the M27, the new manager will be chosen based entirely on their eBay feedback score. I'm a 100%er myself but it didn't interest me.
Yeah. One of their board members was interviewed on SKY and said they had to take this decision as they didn't want to be seen to be panicking. LMFAO. 7 games to go and sacking your manager and replacing him with the academy manager when they have a cr@p academy insn't panicking? Come on Newport.
Well said Dick.
Is it just me or does jrod11 remind anyone else of Kent141? Definitely the same style of post and general quiet undermining.
[quote][p][bold]jrod11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: All sounds very sensible to me, it's called The Southampton Way and is based on sound logic. Meanwhile, at the smelly end of the M27, the new manager will be chosen based entirely on their eBay feedback score. I'm a 100%er myself but it didn't interest me.[/p][/quote]Yeah. One of their board members was interviewed on SKY and said they had to take this decision as they didn't want to be seen to be panicking. LMFAO. 7 games to go and sacking your manager and replacing him with the academy manager when they have a cr@p academy insn't panicking? Come on Newport.[/p][/quote]Well said Dick.[/p][/quote]Is it just me or does jrod11 remind anyone else of Kent141? Definitely the same style of post and general quiet undermining. Velleity
  • Score: 7

10:03am Fri 28 Mar 14

Beer Monster says...

jrod11 wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
With a bit of luck MoPo will decide that his future lies somewhere other than Southampton
As much as I have enjoyed a lot of the games his coaching tends to be one dimensional and he has probably taken us as far as he can Plenty of coaches in this world who can come in and take us further
Such as?
David Moyes ?
Martinez has shown that Moyes was already punching above his station at Everton, let alone Man U. We want to aim higher.
[quote][p][bold]jrod11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: With a bit of luck MoPo will decide that his future lies somewhere other than Southampton As much as I have enjoyed a lot of the games his coaching tends to be one dimensional and he has probably taken us as far as he can Plenty of coaches in this world who can come in and take us further[/p][/quote]Such as?[/p][/quote]David Moyes ?[/p][/quote]Martinez has shown that Moyes was already punching above his station at Everton, let alone Man U. We want to aim higher. Beer Monster
  • Score: 7

10:03am Fri 28 Mar 14

notaclue says...

jrod11 wrote:
Poch has done well but anyone will realise the club will not match his ambitions of Champions league football.
If that is the case then expect the good half of our team to follow him out the door.
The uncertanty that his contract position causes will not help the players to decide to stay here eiher. But the addiion of say Lukaku would help us climb higher in the table an show our ambiton.

It is tme for the chairman to tell evryone including MP what our plans for the future are, and i for one am optomistic!
[quote][p][bold]jrod11[/bold] wrote: Poch has done well but anyone will realise the club will not match his ambitions of Champions league football.[/p][/quote]If that is the case then expect the good half of our team to follow him out the door. The uncertanty that his contract position causes will not help the players to decide to stay here eiher. But the addiion of say Lukaku would help us climb higher in the table an show our ambiton. It is tme for the chairman to tell evryone including MP what our plans for the future are, and i for one am optomistic! notaclue
  • Score: 4

10:05am Fri 28 Mar 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Velleity wrote:
jrod11 wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Little Hitler wrote:
All sounds very sensible to me, it's called The Southampton Way and is based on sound logic.

Meanwhile, at the smelly end of the M27, the new manager will be chosen based entirely on their eBay feedback score. I'm a 100%er myself but it didn't interest me.
Yeah. One of their board members was interviewed on SKY and said they had to take this decision as they didn't want to be seen to be panicking. LMFAO. 7 games to go and sacking your manager and replacing him with the academy manager when they have a cr@p academy insn't panicking? Come on Newport.
Well said Dick.
Is it just me or does jrod11 remind anyone else of Kent141? Definitely the same style of post and general quiet undermining.
Thought exactly the same, Velleity, and like Kuntyboy, the best thing is to treat him with the insignificance he so richly deserves.
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jrod11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: All sounds very sensible to me, it's called The Southampton Way and is based on sound logic. Meanwhile, at the smelly end of the M27, the new manager will be chosen based entirely on their eBay feedback score. I'm a 100%er myself but it didn't interest me.[/p][/quote]Yeah. One of their board members was interviewed on SKY and said they had to take this decision as they didn't want to be seen to be panicking. LMFAO. 7 games to go and sacking your manager and replacing him with the academy manager when they have a cr@p academy insn't panicking? Come on Newport.[/p][/quote]Well said Dick.[/p][/quote]Is it just me or does jrod11 remind anyone else of Kent141? Definitely the same style of post and general quiet undermining.[/p][/quote]Thought exactly the same, Velleity, and like Kuntyboy, the best thing is to treat him with the insignificance he so richly deserves. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 4

10:23am Fri 28 Mar 14

warrens 76 says...

It is apparent that MoPo and the players and the board are using the end of season run to 'see were we are' and then some earnest discussions will take place about how many of those who contributed can be retained, how much the club is prepared to spend and or reinvest from Shaw, Osvaldo as possible sales to strengthen ….

..one final factor will be what the vision is not just next season but for the period of any new contract, no good investing next year if it is not continually followed up…

I am not sure one way or the other and in light of the above we are not going to know anything 'real' until May/june so lets all put it on the back burner and stop worrying.
It is apparent that MoPo and the players and the board are using the end of season run to 'see were we are' and then some earnest discussions will take place about how many of those who contributed can be retained, how much the club is prepared to spend and or reinvest from Shaw, Osvaldo as possible sales to strengthen …. ..one final factor will be what the vision is not just next season but for the period of any new contract, no good investing next year if it is not continually followed up… I am not sure one way or the other and in light of the above we are not going to know anything 'real' until May/june so lets all put it on the back burner and stop worrying. warrens 76
  • Score: 5

10:25am Fri 28 Mar 14

george chivers says...

Saintsayer II wrote:
With a bit of luck MoPo will decide that his future lies somewhere other than Southampton
As much as I have enjoyed a lot of the games his coaching tends to be one dimensional and he has probably taken us as far as he can Plenty of coaches in this world who can come in and take us further
I didn't re-new my season ticket this year because I don't like the way we play. I am not a fan of Spanish press the ball, high possession rate tactics. I prefer to watch teams who play like Liverpool or Everton and Tottenham at their best. By doing that I have downgraded myself from supporter to fan. I will however, never follow any other club other than Saints. I am without any doubt STID.

But I don't agree with what you say about MOPO. He has taken us to a very respectable position in the league, our best ever I believe in the PL. What is frustrating is the number of times we have been in winning positions and thrown the points away. Something like 33 points I believe.

This however can be improved upon next season with the acquisition of better players. A quicker central defender for instance and by the elimination, as much as possible of individual errors by players in the penalty area. This will I think enable us to climb the league.

So despite the fact I don't like the brand of football MOPO delivers I do like the results. And I do believe that continued success for provincial clubs like ours will only come if we have continuity in the management team. I do believe he can move us onwards and upwards, its just if he doesn't employ a more multi-dimensional style of play I won't be there to witness it. But I will be pleased to look at the league table.

I hope he stays, good luck to him. I think we need him.

STID COYR
[quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: With a bit of luck MoPo will decide that his future lies somewhere other than Southampton As much as I have enjoyed a lot of the games his coaching tends to be one dimensional and he has probably taken us as far as he can Plenty of coaches in this world who can come in and take us further[/p][/quote]I didn't re-new my season ticket this year because I don't like the way we play. I am not a fan of Spanish press the ball, high possession rate tactics. I prefer to watch teams who play like Liverpool or Everton and Tottenham at their best. By doing that I have downgraded myself from supporter to fan. I will however, never follow any other club other than Saints. I am without any doubt STID. But I don't agree with what you say about MOPO. He has taken us to a very respectable position in the league, our best ever I believe in the PL. What is frustrating is the number of times we have been in winning positions and thrown the points away. Something like 33 points I believe. This however can be improved upon next season with the acquisition of better players. A quicker central defender for instance and by the elimination, as much as possible of individual errors by players in the penalty area. This will I think enable us to climb the league. So despite the fact I don't like the brand of football MOPO delivers I do like the results. And I do believe that continued success for provincial clubs like ours will only come if we have continuity in the management team. I do believe he can move us onwards and upwards, its just if he doesn't employ a more multi-dimensional style of play I won't be there to witness it. But I will be pleased to look at the league table. I hope he stays, good luck to him. I think we need him. STID COYR george chivers
  • Score: 0

10:27am Fri 28 Mar 14

ghk230473 says...

I sometimes scratch my head over mopo's selections and tactics, however there is no doubt the players do play for him. Also there is the under lying fact that we do need consistency in the management area, and this consistency often brings success. On this basis I would be keen to keep mopo, I think it would be in his interest to stay too. He's with an up and coming club, great accademy, potential, best league in the world and hopefully backing from the board.
He's talking sense too, there is no need to discuss anything until the season has finished, then they can analyse, debate and agree the best way forward.
I sometimes scratch my head over mopo's selections and tactics, however there is no doubt the players do play for him. Also there is the under lying fact that we do need consistency in the management area, and this consistency often brings success. On this basis I would be keen to keep mopo, I think it would be in his interest to stay too. He's with an up and coming club, great accademy, potential, best league in the world and hopefully backing from the board. He's talking sense too, there is no need to discuss anything until the season has finished, then they can analyse, debate and agree the best way forward. ghk230473
  • Score: 4

10:36am Fri 28 Mar 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Velleity wrote:
jrod11 wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Little Hitler wrote:
All sounds very sensible to me, it's called The Southampton Way and is based on sound logic.

Meanwhile, at the smelly end of the M27, the new manager will be chosen based entirely on their eBay feedback score. I'm a 100%er myself but it didn't interest me.
Yeah. One of their board members was interviewed on SKY and said they had to take this decision as they didn't want to be seen to be panicking. LMFAO. 7 games to go and sacking your manager and replacing him with the academy manager when they have a cr@p academy insn't panicking? Come on Newport.
Well said Dick.
Is it just me or does jrod11 remind anyone else of Kent141? Definitely the same style of post and general quiet undermining.
Thought exactly the same, Velleity, and like Kuntyboy, the best thing is to treat him with the insignificance he so richly deserves.
he does like CD though doesn't he. dick did you upset him in the past? you might have a stalker on your hands!
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jrod11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: All sounds very sensible to me, it's called The Southampton Way and is based on sound logic. Meanwhile, at the smelly end of the M27, the new manager will be chosen based entirely on their eBay feedback score. I'm a 100%er myself but it didn't interest me.[/p][/quote]Yeah. One of their board members was interviewed on SKY and said they had to take this decision as they didn't want to be seen to be panicking. LMFAO. 7 games to go and sacking your manager and replacing him with the academy manager when they have a cr@p academy insn't panicking? Come on Newport.[/p][/quote]Well said Dick.[/p][/quote]Is it just me or does jrod11 remind anyone else of Kent141? Definitely the same style of post and general quiet undermining.[/p][/quote]Thought exactly the same, Velleity, and like Kuntyboy, the best thing is to treat him with the insignificance he so richly deserves.[/p][/quote]he does like CD though doesn't he. dick did you upset him in the past? you might have a stalker on your hands! el caballo santos101
  • Score: 1

10:47am Fri 28 Mar 14

saint61 says...

Sainty saint saint wrote:
Marchwood Malcom wrote:
I hate to say it but I can't see us keeping hold of him. He's a great manager who will already be on the radar of bigger clubs. I think our only hope of keeping him is if the club stump up major cash in the summer for him to buy, thus demonstrating the club's ambition.
Where would he go though?
Spurs !
[quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marchwood Malcom[/bold] wrote: I hate to say it but I can't see us keeping hold of him. He's a great manager who will already be on the radar of bigger clubs. I think our only hope of keeping him is if the club stump up major cash in the summer for him to buy, thus demonstrating the club's ambition.[/p][/quote]Where would he go though?[/p][/quote]Spurs ! saint61
  • Score: -3

10:52am Fri 28 Mar 14

Outside of the Box says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Little Hitler wrote:
All sounds very sensible to me, it's called The Southampton Way and is based on sound logic.

Meanwhile, at the smelly end of the M27, the new manager will be chosen based entirely on their eBay feedback score. I'm a 100%er myself but it didn't interest me.
Yeah. One of their board members was interviewed on SKY and said they had to take this decision as they didn't want to be seen to be panicking. LMFAO. 7 games to go and sacking your manager and replacing him with the academy manager when they have a cr@p academy insn't panicking? Come on Newport.
This is same academy manager who bought his kids to St Mary's earlier this season to be destroyed by our lads.

Not panicking is like Private Pike shouting don't panic Mr Mainwaring when that is exactly what's he's doing.

#WTFILN
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: All sounds very sensible to me, it's called The Southampton Way and is based on sound logic. Meanwhile, at the smelly end of the M27, the new manager will be chosen based entirely on their eBay feedback score. I'm a 100%er myself but it didn't interest me.[/p][/quote]Yeah. One of their board members was interviewed on SKY and said they had to take this decision as they didn't want to be seen to be panicking. LMFAO. 7 games to go and sacking your manager and replacing him with the academy manager when they have a cr@p academy insn't panicking? Come on Newport.[/p][/quote]This is same academy manager who bought his kids to St Mary's earlier this season to be destroyed by our lads. Not panicking is like Private Pike shouting don't panic Mr Mainwaring when that is exactly what's he's doing. #WTFILN Outside of the Box
  • Score: 3

10:58am Fri 28 Mar 14

ghk230473 says...

saint61 wrote:
Sainty saint saint wrote:
Marchwood Malcom wrote:
I hate to say it but I can't see us keeping hold of him. He's a great manager who will already be on the radar of bigger clubs. I think our only hope of keeping him is if the club stump up major cash in the summer for him to buy, thus demonstrating the club's ambition.
Where would he go though?
Spurs !
Really?
Stadium not much bigger than ours, Daniel levy!, no accademy, less potential, and a whole mix match of players. I don't understand people who think spuds are a big' club? Leeds, Sunderland and Newcastle are bigger with a greater fan base, which is what let's us down to be honest. We need to increase our stadium capacity and sell the club to the people of Hampshire not just southampton. Capitalise on being the no1 team in the south and grow from there. Give out free tickets to kids for cup games etc and raise our profile.
[quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marchwood Malcom[/bold] wrote: I hate to say it but I can't see us keeping hold of him. He's a great manager who will already be on the radar of bigger clubs. I think our only hope of keeping him is if the club stump up major cash in the summer for him to buy, thus demonstrating the club's ambition.[/p][/quote]Where would he go though?[/p][/quote]Spurs ![/p][/quote]Really? Stadium not much bigger than ours, Daniel levy!, no accademy, less potential, and a whole mix match of players. I don't understand people who think spuds are a big' club? Leeds, Sunderland and Newcastle are bigger with a greater fan base, which is what let's us down to be honest. We need to increase our stadium capacity and sell the club to the people of Hampshire not just southampton. Capitalise on being the no1 team in the south and grow from there. Give out free tickets to kids for cup games etc and raise our profile. ghk230473
  • Score: 9

10:59am Fri 28 Mar 14

Saintsayer II says...

george chivers wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
With a bit of luck MoPo will decide that his future lies somewhere other than Southampton
As much as I have enjoyed a lot of the games his coaching tends to be one dimensional and he has probably taken us as far as he can Plenty of coaches in this world who can come in and take us further
I didn't re-new my season ticket this year because I don't like the way we play. I am not a fan of Spanish press the ball, high possession rate tactics. I prefer to watch teams who play like Liverpool or Everton and Tottenham at their best. By doing that I have downgraded myself from supporter to fan. I will however, never follow any other club other than Saints. I am without any doubt STID.

But I don't agree with what you say about MOPO. He has taken us to a very respectable position in the league, our best ever I believe in the PL. What is frustrating is the number of times we have been in winning positions and thrown the points away. Something like 33 points I believe.

This however can be improved upon next season with the acquisition of better players. A quicker central defender for instance and by the elimination, as much as possible of individual errors by players in the penalty area. This will I think enable us to climb the league.

So despite the fact I don't like the brand of football MOPO delivers I do like the results. And I do believe that continued success for provincial clubs like ours will only come if we have continuity in the management team. I do believe he can move us onwards and upwards, its just if he doesn't employ a more multi-dimensional style of play I won't be there to witness it. But I will be pleased to look at the league table.

I hope he stays, good luck to him. I think we need him.

STID COYR
Don't get me wrong George If he stays I will support him and the team
If he gets a quicker CB that may save a few more points agreed but that CB will also become knackered on the run in because of the high energy pressing game and the training required to play it
In the same way that top players will go to clubs that can give them CL football......... as a top class supporter I want to see top class football at SMS
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: With a bit of luck MoPo will decide that his future lies somewhere other than Southampton As much as I have enjoyed a lot of the games his coaching tends to be one dimensional and he has probably taken us as far as he can Plenty of coaches in this world who can come in and take us further[/p][/quote]I didn't re-new my season ticket this year because I don't like the way we play. I am not a fan of Spanish press the ball, high possession rate tactics. I prefer to watch teams who play like Liverpool or Everton and Tottenham at their best. By doing that I have downgraded myself from supporter to fan. I will however, never follow any other club other than Saints. I am without any doubt STID. But I don't agree with what you say about MOPO. He has taken us to a very respectable position in the league, our best ever I believe in the PL. What is frustrating is the number of times we have been in winning positions and thrown the points away. Something like 33 points I believe. This however can be improved upon next season with the acquisition of better players. A quicker central defender for instance and by the elimination, as much as possible of individual errors by players in the penalty area. This will I think enable us to climb the league. So despite the fact I don't like the brand of football MOPO delivers I do like the results. And I do believe that continued success for provincial clubs like ours will only come if we have continuity in the management team. I do believe he can move us onwards and upwards, its just if he doesn't employ a more multi-dimensional style of play I won't be there to witness it. But I will be pleased to look at the league table. I hope he stays, good luck to him. I think we need him. STID COYR[/p][/quote]Don't get me wrong George If he stays I will support him and the team If he gets a quicker CB that may save a few more points agreed but that CB will also become knackered on the run in because of the high energy pressing game and the training required to play it In the same way that top players will go to clubs that can give them CL football......... as a top class supporter I want to see top class football at SMS Saintsayer II
  • Score: 3

11:04am Fri 28 Mar 14

el caballo santos101 says...

why does everyone think MP will go if the clubs new `vision` isn't the same as the old? did he quit espanyol when after he joined they started to sell off their best players to stop them going bust? no he stuck to his job and kept bringing the youth through.
I`m not saying he is going to stay if the board tell him they want to sell all of our best players (which they wont), but they might want to sell a player or two and being a manager MP will realise that players do get sold. what I think it comes down to is that MP wants to have a say in what players are sold, and if he really wants to keep a player he will want the club to accept that. he isn't stupid and will realise that the lure of the `big` clubs will be hard for some players to resist. there is also the subject of the transfer budget to work out. MP has this season to finish first and every comment that comes out of the club says that he is at the training ground early and doesn't leave until late, perhaps he feels there is more time to sit down and talk properly with the board after the season has finished, makes more sense to me.

if MP does decide to leave I will wish him all the best, but I don't think for 1 minute that it will lead to a mass exodus of our best players, why would it? did all the players leave when adkins left? did manure lose their best players when AF retired? I don't think I have ever seen an exodus of players when a popular manager leaves a club. player departures will be down to the board not MP.
there are plenty of top quality managers who would love to come here with all our facilities? really who? again though if he did leave, the club see the managers role as just a cog in the `Southampton way`, and they have said before that they would only replace with a similar `cog`. so saying that this or that manager is the answer is only right if he would fit in with our philosophy.
that being said, hurray up and sign MP and put us all out of our misery.
why does everyone think MP will go if the clubs new `vision` isn't the same as the old? did he quit espanyol when after he joined they started to sell off their best players to stop them going bust? no he stuck to his job and kept bringing the youth through. I`m not saying he is going to stay if the board tell him they want to sell all of our best players (which they wont), but they might want to sell a player or two and being a manager MP will realise that players do get sold. what I think it comes down to is that MP wants to have a say in what players are sold, and if he really wants to keep a player he will want the club to accept that. he isn't stupid and will realise that the lure of the `big` clubs will be hard for some players to resist. there is also the subject of the transfer budget to work out. MP has this season to finish first and every comment that comes out of the club says that he is at the training ground early and doesn't leave until late, perhaps he feels there is more time to sit down and talk properly with the board after the season has finished, makes more sense to me. if MP does decide to leave I will wish him all the best, but I don't think for 1 minute that it will lead to a mass exodus of our best players, why would it? did all the players leave when adkins left? did manure lose their best players when AF retired? I don't think I have ever seen an exodus of players when a popular manager leaves a club. player departures will be down to the board not MP. there are plenty of top quality managers who would love to come here with all our facilities? really who? again though if he did leave, the club see the managers role as just a cog in the `Southampton way`, and they have said before that they would only replace with a similar `cog`. so saying that this or that manager is the answer is only right if he would fit in with our philosophy. that being said, hurray up and sign MP and put us all out of our misery. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 0

11:07am Fri 28 Mar 14

Saintsayer II says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
With a bit of luck MoPo will decide that his future lies somewhere other than Southampton
As much as I have enjoyed a lot of the games his coaching tends to be one dimensional and he has probably taken us as far as he can Plenty of coaches in this world who can come in and take us further
Such as?
The EPL is known as THE place to be if you want to earn top dollar This applies to players and coaches
As someone above mentione Bayerns last manager is still without a club, Sammy Hypia at Leverkusen has said he would like to manage here, and I still think Hoddle is looking for a way back into management
All 3 of those would get respect from the players and because of their reputations be able to attract some of the better players around I am just as certain that there are many more that we have never heard of who would leap at the opportunity to take on the job at such a progressive club
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: With a bit of luck MoPo will decide that his future lies somewhere other than Southampton As much as I have enjoyed a lot of the games his coaching tends to be one dimensional and he has probably taken us as far as he can Plenty of coaches in this world who can come in and take us further[/p][/quote]Such as?[/p][/quote]The EPL is known as THE place to be if you want to earn top dollar This applies to players and coaches As someone above mentione Bayerns last manager is still without a club, Sammy Hypia at Leverkusen has said he would like to manage here, and I still think Hoddle is looking for a way back into management All 3 of those would get respect from the players and because of their reputations be able to attract some of the better players around I am just as certain that there are many more that we have never heard of who would leap at the opportunity to take on the job at such a progressive club Saintsayer II
  • Score: -3

11:23am Fri 28 Mar 14

jrod11 says...

notaclue wrote:
jrod11 wrote:
Poch has done well but anyone will realise the club will not match his ambitions of Champions league football.
If that is the case then expect the good half of our team to follow him out the door.
The uncertanty that his contract position causes will not help the players to decide to stay here eiher. But the addiion of say Lukaku would help us climb higher in the table an show our ambiton.

It is tme for the chairman to tell evryone including MP what our plans for the future are, and i for one am optomistic!
Lukaku would be a great statement of intent if he was to sign.
[quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jrod11[/bold] wrote: Poch has done well but anyone will realise the club will not match his ambitions of Champions league football.[/p][/quote]If that is the case then expect the good half of our team to follow him out the door. The uncertanty that his contract position causes will not help the players to decide to stay here eiher. But the addiion of say Lukaku would help us climb higher in the table an show our ambiton. It is tme for the chairman to tell evryone including MP what our plans for the future are, and i for one am optomistic![/p][/quote]Lukaku would be a great statement of intent if he was to sign. jrod11
  • Score: 0

11:45am Fri 28 Mar 14

mustique says...

In this day and age contracts don't seem to mean very much.
Let the man get on with the job in hand and talk in the summer. What ever happens the Manager is under contract for another year so why panic?
If he is the gentleman and a man of honour he will do what is right if the Club play the same game.
In this day and age contracts don't seem to mean very much. Let the man get on with the job in hand and talk in the summer. What ever happens the Manager is under contract for another year so why panic? If he is the gentleman and a man of honour he will do what is right if the Club play the same game. mustique
  • Score: 3

11:50am Fri 28 Mar 14

notaclue says...

It concerns me that the manager does not aleady know what the clubs future intentions are.
It concerns me that the manager does not aleady know what the clubs future intentions are. notaclue
  • Score: -2

12:01pm Fri 28 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

jrod11 wrote:
notaclue wrote:
jrod11 wrote:
Poch has done well but anyone will realise the club will not match his ambitions of Champions league football.
If that is the case then expect the good half of our team to follow him out the door.
The uncertanty that his contract position causes will not help the players to decide to stay here eiher. But the addiion of say Lukaku would help us climb higher in the table an show our ambiton.

It is tme for the chairman to tell evryone including MP what our plans for the future are, and i for one am optomistic!
Lukaku would be a great statement of intent if he was to sign.
Shhhhh!
[quote][p][bold]jrod11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jrod11[/bold] wrote: Poch has done well but anyone will realise the club will not match his ambitions of Champions league football.[/p][/quote]If that is the case then expect the good half of our team to follow him out the door. The uncertanty that his contract position causes will not help the players to decide to stay here eiher. But the addiion of say Lukaku would help us climb higher in the table an show our ambiton. It is tme for the chairman to tell evryone including MP what our plans for the future are, and i for one am optomistic![/p][/quote]Lukaku would be a great statement of intent if he was to sign.[/p][/quote]Shhhhh! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

12:03pm Fri 28 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

notaclue wrote:
It concerns me that the manager does not aleady know what the clubs future intentions are.
Doesn't seem to be bothering Poch though and that's more important than what you or I think
[quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: It concerns me that the manager does not aleady know what the clubs future intentions are.[/p][/quote]Doesn't seem to be bothering Poch though and that's more important than what you or I think OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

12:05pm Fri 28 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

mustique wrote:
In this day and age contracts don't seem to mean very much.
Let the man get on with the job in hand and talk in the summer. What ever happens the Manager is under contract for another year so why panic?
If he is the gentleman and a man of honour he will do what is right if the Club play the same game.
Good point, some of these posters seem to think that everyone else match their own low standards of honesty.
[quote][p][bold]mustique[/bold] wrote: In this day and age contracts don't seem to mean very much. Let the man get on with the job in hand and talk in the summer. What ever happens the Manager is under contract for another year so why panic? If he is the gentleman and a man of honour he will do what is right if the Club play the same game.[/p][/quote]Good point, some of these posters seem to think that everyone else match their own low standards of honesty. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

12:08pm Fri 28 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

ghk230473 wrote:
I sometimes scratch my head over mopo's selections and tactics, however there is no doubt the players do play for him. Also there is the under lying fact that we do need consistency in the management area, and this consistency often brings success. On this basis I would be keen to keep mopo, I think it would be in his interest to stay too. He's with an up and coming club, great accademy, potential, best league in the world and hopefully backing from the board.
He's talking sense too, there is no need to discuss anything until the season has finished, then they can analyse, debate and agree the best way forward.
Careful with that head scratching, splinters can be painful, I agree with your post, 100%.
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: I sometimes scratch my head over mopo's selections and tactics, however there is no doubt the players do play for him. Also there is the under lying fact that we do need consistency in the management area, and this consistency often brings success. On this basis I would be keen to keep mopo, I think it would be in his interest to stay too. He's with an up and coming club, great accademy, potential, best league in the world and hopefully backing from the board. He's talking sense too, there is no need to discuss anything until the season has finished, then they can analyse, debate and agree the best way forward.[/p][/quote]Careful with that head scratching, splinters can be painful, I agree with your post, 100%. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

12:20pm Fri 28 Mar 14

hedge end bob says...

Saintsayer II wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote: With a bit of luck MoPo will decide that his future lies somewhere other than Southampton As much as I have enjoyed a lot of the games his coaching tends to be one dimensional and he has probably taken us as far as he can Plenty of coaches in this world who can come in and take us further
Such as?
The EPL is known as THE place to be if you want to earn top dollar This applies to players and coaches As someone above mentione Bayerns last manager is still without a club, Sammy Hypia at Leverkusen has said he would like to manage here, and I still think Hoddle is looking for a way back into management All 3 of those would get respect from the players and because of their reputations be able to attract some of the better players around I am just as certain that there are many more that we have never heard of who would leap at the opportunity to take on the job at such a progressive club
Fecking Hoddle, youre having a laugh . Tell me what has he ever done as a manager who has built a team of his own players and not taken over from a team already up and running.
Even Poopey never gave him the chance.
[quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: With a bit of luck MoPo will decide that his future lies somewhere other than Southampton As much as I have enjoyed a lot of the games his coaching tends to be one dimensional and he has probably taken us as far as he can Plenty of coaches in this world who can come in and take us further[/p][/quote]Such as?[/p][/quote]The EPL is known as THE place to be if you want to earn top dollar This applies to players and coaches As someone above mentione Bayerns last manager is still without a club, Sammy Hypia at Leverkusen has said he would like to manage here, and I still think Hoddle is looking for a way back into management All 3 of those would get respect from the players and because of their reputations be able to attract some of the better players around I am just as certain that there are many more that we have never heard of who would leap at the opportunity to take on the job at such a progressive club[/p][/quote]Fecking Hoddle, youre having a laugh . Tell me what has he ever done as a manager who has built a team of his own players and not taken over from a team already up and running. Even Poopey never gave him the chance. hedge end bob
  • Score: 5

12:44pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Golden_Salamander says...

There is one big advantage of him leaving it to the summer is that when he (and the players that worship him) commit to Saints then we should have a positive summer transfer window.
As we all know the London Media (and sometimes the local ones as well) have an "attention span of a Sun reading" and if he (and the players) commit NOW that would be forgotten come the summer (we would still get stories every day linking somebody with an exit). This way around we get the stories now (when nothing can happen) and that will end when everybody commits.
.
For those saying he could go to a bigger club like spurs, remember his comments of a few weeks where he said HE HAS THE FINAL SAY ON WHO COMES & GOES here and compare that with the previous spurs manager who said HALF THE PLAYERS signed were NOT HIS. I know what Pochettino will choose !
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For those saying they don't like his PASS & MOVE style of Football. I assume they would prefer the hoof the ball forward and chase after it played by whu and the Cheats. Well the PASS & MOVE football is here to stay in the PL and judging by woy comments those tactics will be used by England in the world cup which is why his squad will be made up of Diverpool/Saints/Ars
enal(few English) players.
There is one big advantage of him leaving it to the summer is that when he (and the players that worship him) commit to Saints then we should have a positive summer transfer window. As we all know the London Media (and sometimes the local ones as well) have an "attention span of a Sun reading" and if he (and the players) commit NOW that would be forgotten come the summer (we would still get stories every day linking somebody with an exit). This way around we get the stories now (when nothing can happen) and that will end when everybody commits. . For those saying he could go to a bigger club like spurs, remember his comments of a few weeks where he said HE HAS THE FINAL SAY ON WHO COMES & GOES here and compare that with the previous spurs manager who said HALF THE PLAYERS signed were NOT HIS. I know what Pochettino will choose ! . For those saying they don't like his PASS & MOVE style of Football. I assume they would prefer the hoof the ball forward and chase after it played by whu and the Cheats. Well the PASS & MOVE football is here to stay in the PL and judging by woy comments those tactics will be used by England in the world cup which is why his squad will be made up of Diverpool/Saints/Ars enal(few English) players. Golden_Salamander
  • Score: 2

1:28pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Stroppy_gramps says...

ignore the trolls

Personally I think MoPo has done a fantastic job with the squad available to him. Some results have gone against us, but we have caused a few upsets along the way and in quite a few of the games that we've lost, it wasn't for want of trying. the FA cup exit still causes me a bit of indigestion but, tbh, that's part of the drama of a cup competition.
We've also been a touch unlucky with some injuries along the way.

But over all, it hasn't actually been that bad a season for us - if you had asked me if I wanted to be in this position at this stage last season I would have leapt at the chance.. Far Better to be sitting in the top ten than looking at each upcoming match with apprehension every week.

I always felt that Europe would be a step too far this season and certainly next season as well. I would far rather we consolidate our position in the PL this season, spend the summer making a couple of astute signings where we need to strengthen and then push on next season. We've all seen the results of glory hunting. True success is staying in the top flight, reaping the benefits season after season, slowly building a squad that can really challenge the upper reaches of the Premier League. The cups and titles will come, what matters is being in a position to be able to challenge for them.

Football being what it is, I refuse to predict if MoPo will remain with us. I would absolutely love it if he did though. I think he is a very exciting young manager who was worked wonders with a young squad. Never forget - it is under Poch's management that we have got FOUR Southampton players into the England set up. anyone else achieved that in the last 20 years?
so what I would love to see is:
1) MoPo sign another contract in the summer
2) More depth added to the squad
3) the board fighting like tigers to keep our stars.

However with everything that is said about our amazing team and club - I'll believe it when I see it on the Club website and NOT BEFORE.


COYR
ignore the trolls Personally I think MoPo has done a fantastic job with the squad available to him. Some results have gone against us, but we have caused a few upsets along the way and in quite a few of the games that we've lost, it wasn't for want of trying. the FA cup exit still causes me a bit of indigestion but, tbh, that's part of the drama of a cup competition. We've also been a touch unlucky with some injuries along the way. But over all, it hasn't actually been that bad a season for us - if you had asked me if I wanted to be in this position at this stage last season I would have leapt at the chance.. Far Better to be sitting in the top ten than looking at each upcoming match with apprehension every week. I always felt that Europe would be a step too far this season and certainly next season as well. I would far rather we consolidate our position in the PL this season, spend the summer making a couple of astute signings where we need to strengthen and then push on next season. We've all seen the results of glory hunting. True success is staying in the top flight, reaping the benefits season after season, slowly building a squad that can really challenge the upper reaches of the Premier League. The cups and titles will come, what matters is being in a position to be able to challenge for them. Football being what it is, I refuse to predict if MoPo will remain with us. I would absolutely love it if he did though. I think he is a very exciting young manager who was worked wonders with a young squad. Never forget - it is under Poch's management that we have got FOUR Southampton players into the England set up. anyone else achieved that in the last 20 years? so what I would love to see is: 1) MoPo sign another contract in the summer 2) More depth added to the squad 3) the board fighting like tigers to keep our stars. However with everything that is said about our amazing team and club - I'll believe it when I see it on the Club website and NOT BEFORE. COYR Stroppy_gramps
  • Score: 2

2:10pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Norwegian Saint says...

August 2014
Poch has signed a five year contract extension.
England World Cup Winners Shaw, Lallana, Cork, J-Rod, Lambert, Gallagher, JWP, Clyne, Chambers and Reed all extend contracts to the end of their careers along with Lovren, Davis, Schneiderlain, Boruc and Fonte.
The new additions of Messi and Ronaldo are still trying to get into the starting line up.
Meanwhile, just a few miles to the West the Poopey are getting ready to fight against relegation again to conferance south on a park lent to them by the local toilet draining company, but retains the same name of Fratton Park
August 2014 Poch has signed a five year contract extension. England World Cup Winners Shaw, Lallana, Cork, J-Rod, Lambert, Gallagher, JWP, Clyne, Chambers and Reed all extend contracts to the end of their careers along with Lovren, Davis, Schneiderlain, Boruc and Fonte. The new additions of Messi and Ronaldo are still trying to get into the starting line up. Meanwhile, just a few miles to the West the Poopey are getting ready to fight against relegation again to conferance south on a park lent to them by the local toilet draining company, but retains the same name of Fratton Park Norwegian Saint
  • Score: 6

2:13pm Fri 28 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Poch: We'll discuss my future in summer 2015. That would be a cheap option!
Poch: We'll discuss my future in summer 2015. That would be a cheap option! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -2

2:28pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
why does everyone think MP will go if the clubs new `vision` isn't the same as the old? did he quit espanyol when after he joined they started to sell off their best players to stop them going bust? no he stuck to his job and kept bringing the youth through.
I`m not saying he is going to stay if the board tell him they want to sell all of our best players (which they wont), but they might want to sell a player or two and being a manager MP will realise that players do get sold. what I think it comes down to is that MP wants to have a say in what players are sold, and if he really wants to keep a player he will want the club to accept that. he isn't stupid and will realise that the lure of the `big` clubs will be hard for some players to resist. there is also the subject of the transfer budget to work out. MP has this season to finish first and every comment that comes out of the club says that he is at the training ground early and doesn't leave until late, perhaps he feels there is more time to sit down and talk properly with the board after the season has finished, makes more sense to me.

if MP does decide to leave I will wish him all the best, but I don't think for 1 minute that it will lead to a mass exodus of our best players, why would it? did all the players leave when adkins left? did manure lose their best players when AF retired? I don't think I have ever seen an exodus of players when a popular manager leaves a club. player departures will be down to the board not MP.
there are plenty of top quality managers who would love to come here with all our facilities? really who? again though if he did leave, the club see the managers role as just a cog in the `Southampton way`, and they have said before that they would only replace with a similar `cog`. so saying that this or that manager is the answer is only right if he would fit in with our philosophy.
that being said, hurray up and sign MP and put us all out of our misery.
I can't agree with this 'sell a player or two' argument. Ok, it seems reasonable on face value but it misses out on one massive factor. NC persuaded MoPo and some of the players to come here based on the clubs aims and aspirations - it's vision. Other players like Luke and Adam were persuaded to sign new contracts based on the same vision and the wages of course. They want the money but they also want the on pitch success to enable them to have a career to be proud to look back on - sat on their Sunseekers when they're over 40... :o)

If we sell a couple of them then the statement made to the manager and the remaining players - and indeed the ones we are trying to court - is that we have dropped our previous vision of competing at the highest level. If we do that we will lose all of the top quality players over a season or two and end up with a loyal squad who fight to remain in the Prem year after year. The likes of Kelvin, Fonte, Yoshida, Hoover, Rickie, Davis etc. It will effectively be a return to the Lowe years with a team of half decent players made good by one loyal star Matt (Adam). Even Beattie felt he could play at a higher level than Saints ffs! We've moved on from that period and need to keep progressing albeit at a sensible pace.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: why does everyone think MP will go if the clubs new `vision` isn't the same as the old? did he quit espanyol when after he joined they started to sell off their best players to stop them going bust? no he stuck to his job and kept bringing the youth through. I`m not saying he is going to stay if the board tell him they want to sell all of our best players (which they wont), but they might want to sell a player or two and being a manager MP will realise that players do get sold. what I think it comes down to is that MP wants to have a say in what players are sold, and if he really wants to keep a player he will want the club to accept that. he isn't stupid and will realise that the lure of the `big` clubs will be hard for some players to resist. there is also the subject of the transfer budget to work out. MP has this season to finish first and every comment that comes out of the club says that he is at the training ground early and doesn't leave until late, perhaps he feels there is more time to sit down and talk properly with the board after the season has finished, makes more sense to me. if MP does decide to leave I will wish him all the best, but I don't think for 1 minute that it will lead to a mass exodus of our best players, why would it? did all the players leave when adkins left? did manure lose their best players when AF retired? I don't think I have ever seen an exodus of players when a popular manager leaves a club. player departures will be down to the board not MP. there are plenty of top quality managers who would love to come here with all our facilities? really who? again though if he did leave, the club see the managers role as just a cog in the `Southampton way`, and they have said before that they would only replace with a similar `cog`. so saying that this or that manager is the answer is only right if he would fit in with our philosophy. that being said, hurray up and sign MP and put us all out of our misery.[/p][/quote]I can't agree with this 'sell a player or two' argument. Ok, it seems reasonable on face value but it misses out on one massive factor. NC persuaded MoPo and some of the players to come here based on the clubs aims and aspirations - it's vision. Other players like Luke and Adam were persuaded to sign new contracts based on the same vision and the wages of course. They want the money but they also want the on pitch success to enable them to have a career to be proud to look back on - sat on their Sunseekers when they're over 40... :o) If we sell a couple of them then the statement made to the manager and the remaining players - and indeed the ones we are trying to court - is that we have dropped our previous vision of competing at the highest level. If we do that we will lose all of the top quality players over a season or two and end up with a loyal squad who fight to remain in the Prem year after year. The likes of Kelvin, Fonte, Yoshida, Hoover, Rickie, Davis etc. It will effectively be a return to the Lowe years with a team of half decent players made good by one loyal star Matt (Adam). Even Beattie felt he could play at a higher level than Saints ffs! We've moved on from that period and need to keep progressing albeit at a sensible pace. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 4

3:02pm Fri 28 Mar 14

el caballo santos101 says...

george chivers wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
With a bit of luck MoPo will decide that his future lies somewhere other than Southampton
As much as I have enjoyed a lot of the games his coaching tends to be one dimensional and he has probably taken us as far as he can Plenty of coaches in this world who can come in and take us further
I didn't re-new my season ticket this year because I don't like the way we play. I am not a fan of Spanish press the ball, high possession rate tactics. I prefer to watch teams who play like Liverpool or Everton and Tottenham at their best. By doing that I have downgraded myself from supporter to fan. I will however, never follow any other club other than Saints. I am without any doubt STID.

But I don't agree with what you say about MOPO. He has taken us to a very respectable position in the league, our best ever I believe in the PL. What is frustrating is the number of times we have been in winning positions and thrown the points away. Something like 33 points I believe.

This however can be improved upon next season with the acquisition of better players. A quicker central defender for instance and by the elimination, as much as possible of individual errors by players in the penalty area. This will I think enable us to climb the league.

So despite the fact I don't like the brand of football MOPO delivers I do like the results. And I do believe that continued success for provincial clubs like ours will only come if we have continuity in the management team. I do believe he can move us onwards and upwards, its just if he doesn't employ a more multi-dimensional style of play I won't be there to witness it. But I will be pleased to look at the league table.

I hope he stays, good luck to him. I think we need him.

STID COYR
George, how can you say that you don't like our style of football, the high press game, and then say that you prefer to watch teams like Liverpool and Everton (will get to spuds in a sec), Liverpool play the same style as us, pressing high whilst having two holding midfielders and the width coming from the full backs. the only reason that Liverpool win more than us is because they have suarez up front, with other good quality players. Liverpool concede a lot of goals, like we do, using this system 39 to our 40! they just score more.
Everton have a Spanish manager, Roberto Martinez, who plays a similar pass and move high press game, which he started at Swansea and brendon rogers followed on from and then took to Liverpool. so both Liverpool and Everton`s managers have managed Swansea and both play the pass/move pressing game. so tell me, how can you think that both teams play differently to us?
back to spuds, does anyone know what system they are playing? I don't even think Tim Sherwood has much of a clue as he constantly changes shape and players positions during games, he has to react to how other teams play as whatever system he starts with is usually wrong, spuds win and loss percentages are both worse than they were under AVB, if Sherwood hadn't got Adebayor playing in his first few games (which is all adebayor usually does well in) his record would have been a lot worse. Sherwood will be sacked in the summer and spuds will go for a big name manager, they have tried to buy their way into the champions league, spending over £100mill (bale+) but it hasn't worked, they cant spend the same this summer so will have to try for a big name manager, just shows what a player like bale or suarez can do for a team. spuds have conceded the same as us but scored less giving them a 0 goal difference. do you like watching teams scramble around looking like headless chickens with players not knowing what they or their team mates are supposed to be doing? yes they beat us but we gave them the game, had lalla scored when through on the keeper (it was a good save) we would have gone 3-0 up and their heads would have dropped.
you don't have to like our style of football, I really do, but you cant then say that you like other teams who play a very, very similar system.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: With a bit of luck MoPo will decide that his future lies somewhere other than Southampton As much as I have enjoyed a lot of the games his coaching tends to be one dimensional and he has probably taken us as far as he can Plenty of coaches in this world who can come in and take us further[/p][/quote]I didn't re-new my season ticket this year because I don't like the way we play. I am not a fan of Spanish press the ball, high possession rate tactics. I prefer to watch teams who play like Liverpool or Everton and Tottenham at their best. By doing that I have downgraded myself from supporter to fan. I will however, never follow any other club other than Saints. I am without any doubt STID. But I don't agree with what you say about MOPO. He has taken us to a very respectable position in the league, our best ever I believe in the PL. What is frustrating is the number of times we have been in winning positions and thrown the points away. Something like 33 points I believe. This however can be improved upon next season with the acquisition of better players. A quicker central defender for instance and by the elimination, as much as possible of individual errors by players in the penalty area. This will I think enable us to climb the league. So despite the fact I don't like the brand of football MOPO delivers I do like the results. And I do believe that continued success for provincial clubs like ours will only come if we have continuity in the management team. I do believe he can move us onwards and upwards, its just if he doesn't employ a more multi-dimensional style of play I won't be there to witness it. But I will be pleased to look at the league table. I hope he stays, good luck to him. I think we need him. STID COYR[/p][/quote]George, how can you say that you don't like our style of football, the high press game, and then say that you prefer to watch teams like Liverpool and Everton (will get to spuds in a sec), Liverpool play the same style as us, pressing high whilst having two holding midfielders and the width coming from the full backs. the only reason that Liverpool win more than us is because they have suarez up front, with other good quality players. Liverpool concede a lot of goals, like we do, using this system 39 to our 40! they just score more. Everton have a Spanish manager, Roberto Martinez, who plays a similar pass and move high press game, which he started at Swansea and brendon rogers followed on from and then took to Liverpool. so both Liverpool and Everton`s managers have managed Swansea and both play the pass/move pressing game. so tell me, how can you think that both teams play differently to us? back to spuds, does anyone know what system they are playing? I don't even think Tim Sherwood has much of a clue as he constantly changes shape and players positions during games, he has to react to how other teams play as whatever system he starts with is usually wrong, spuds win and loss percentages are both worse than they were under AVB, if Sherwood hadn't got Adebayor playing in his first few games (which is all adebayor usually does well in) his record would have been a lot worse. Sherwood will be sacked in the summer and spuds will go for a big name manager, they have tried to buy their way into the champions league, spending over £100mill (bale+) but it hasn't worked, they cant spend the same this summer so will have to try for a big name manager, just shows what a player like bale or suarez can do for a team. spuds have conceded the same as us but scored less giving them a 0 goal difference. do you like watching teams scramble around looking like headless chickens with players not knowing what they or their team mates are supposed to be doing? yes they beat us but we gave them the game, had lalla scored when through on the keeper (it was a good save) we would have gone 3-0 up and their heads would have dropped. you don't have to like our style of football, I really do, but you cant then say that you like other teams who play a very, very similar system. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 2

3:03pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Cincinnati says...

The players seem to have a close bond with MP. Can't see, or imagine, who would be out there as a replacement who would be able to step in and have the same level of respect.
The players seem to have a close bond with MP. Can't see, or imagine, who would be out there as a replacement who would be able to step in and have the same level of respect. Cincinnati
  • Score: 3

3:06pm Fri 28 Mar 14

jrod11 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
why does everyone think MP will go if the clubs new `vision` isn't the same as the old? did he quit espanyol when after he joined they started to sell off their best players to stop them going bust? no he stuck to his job and kept bringing the youth through.
I`m not saying he is going to stay if the board tell him they want to sell all of our best players (which they wont), but they might want to sell a player or two and being a manager MP will realise that players do get sold. what I think it comes down to is that MP wants to have a say in what players are sold, and if he really wants to keep a player he will want the club to accept that. he isn't stupid and will realise that the lure of the `big` clubs will be hard for some players to resist. there is also the subject of the transfer budget to work out. MP has this season to finish first and every comment that comes out of the club says that he is at the training ground early and doesn't leave until late, perhaps he feels there is more time to sit down and talk properly with the board after the season has finished, makes more sense to me.

if MP does decide to leave I will wish him all the best, but I don't think for 1 minute that it will lead to a mass exodus of our best players, why would it? did all the players leave when adkins left? did manure lose their best players when AF retired? I don't think I have ever seen an exodus of players when a popular manager leaves a club. player departures will be down to the board not MP.
there are plenty of top quality managers who would love to come here with all our facilities? really who? again though if he did leave, the club see the managers role as just a cog in the `Southampton way`, and they have said before that they would only replace with a similar `cog`. so saying that this or that manager is the answer is only right if he would fit in with our philosophy.
that being said, hurray up and sign MP and put us all out of our misery.
I can't agree with this 'sell a player or two' argument. Ok, it seems reasonable on face value but it misses out on one massive factor. NC persuaded MoPo and some of the players to come here based on the clubs aims and aspirations - it's vision. Other players like Luke and Adam were persuaded to sign new contracts based on the same vision and the wages of course. They want the money but they also want the on pitch success to enable them to have a career to be proud to look back on - sat on their Sunseekers when they're over 40... :o)

If we sell a couple of them then the statement made to the manager and the remaining players - and indeed the ones we are trying to court - is that we have dropped our previous vision of competing at the highest level. If we do that we will lose all of the top quality players over a season or two and end up with a loyal squad who fight to remain in the Prem year after year. The likes of Kelvin, Fonte, Yoshida, Hoover, Rickie, Davis etc. It will effectively be a return to the Lowe years with a team of half decent players made good by one loyal star Matt (Adam). Even Beattie felt he could play at a higher level than Saints ffs! We've moved on from that period and need to keep progressing albeit at a sensible pace.
Do you think if Poch stayed and was given assurances of large funds to add to the squad without having to sell first his ambition of Champions League football could be achieved here ?
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: why does everyone think MP will go if the clubs new `vision` isn't the same as the old? did he quit espanyol when after he joined they started to sell off their best players to stop them going bust? no he stuck to his job and kept bringing the youth through. I`m not saying he is going to stay if the board tell him they want to sell all of our best players (which they wont), but they might want to sell a player or two and being a manager MP will realise that players do get sold. what I think it comes down to is that MP wants to have a say in what players are sold, and if he really wants to keep a player he will want the club to accept that. he isn't stupid and will realise that the lure of the `big` clubs will be hard for some players to resist. there is also the subject of the transfer budget to work out. MP has this season to finish first and every comment that comes out of the club says that he is at the training ground early and doesn't leave until late, perhaps he feels there is more time to sit down and talk properly with the board after the season has finished, makes more sense to me. if MP does decide to leave I will wish him all the best, but I don't think for 1 minute that it will lead to a mass exodus of our best players, why would it? did all the players leave when adkins left? did manure lose their best players when AF retired? I don't think I have ever seen an exodus of players when a popular manager leaves a club. player departures will be down to the board not MP. there are plenty of top quality managers who would love to come here with all our facilities? really who? again though if he did leave, the club see the managers role as just a cog in the `Southampton way`, and they have said before that they would only replace with a similar `cog`. so saying that this or that manager is the answer is only right if he would fit in with our philosophy. that being said, hurray up and sign MP and put us all out of our misery.[/p][/quote]I can't agree with this 'sell a player or two' argument. Ok, it seems reasonable on face value but it misses out on one massive factor. NC persuaded MoPo and some of the players to come here based on the clubs aims and aspirations - it's vision. Other players like Luke and Adam were persuaded to sign new contracts based on the same vision and the wages of course. They want the money but they also want the on pitch success to enable them to have a career to be proud to look back on - sat on their Sunseekers when they're over 40... :o) If we sell a couple of them then the statement made to the manager and the remaining players - and indeed the ones we are trying to court - is that we have dropped our previous vision of competing at the highest level. If we do that we will lose all of the top quality players over a season or two and end up with a loyal squad who fight to remain in the Prem year after year. The likes of Kelvin, Fonte, Yoshida, Hoover, Rickie, Davis etc. It will effectively be a return to the Lowe years with a team of half decent players made good by one loyal star Matt (Adam). Even Beattie felt he could play at a higher level than Saints ffs! We've moved on from that period and need to keep progressing albeit at a sensible pace.[/p][/quote]Do you think if Poch stayed and was given assurances of large funds to add to the squad without having to sell first his ambition of Champions League football could be achieved here ? jrod11
  • Score: 1

3:13pm Fri 28 Mar 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
why does everyone think MP will go if the clubs new `vision` isn't the same as the old? did he quit espanyol when after he joined they started to sell off their best players to stop them going bust? no he stuck to his job and kept bringing the youth through.
I`m not saying he is going to stay if the board tell him they want to sell all of our best players (which they wont), but they might want to sell a player or two and being a manager MP will realise that players do get sold. what I think it comes down to is that MP wants to have a say in what players are sold, and if he really wants to keep a player he will want the club to accept that. he isn't stupid and will realise that the lure of the `big` clubs will be hard for some players to resist. there is also the subject of the transfer budget to work out. MP has this season to finish first and every comment that comes out of the club says that he is at the training ground early and doesn't leave until late, perhaps he feels there is more time to sit down and talk properly with the board after the season has finished, makes more sense to me.

if MP does decide to leave I will wish him all the best, but I don't think for 1 minute that it will lead to a mass exodus of our best players, why would it? did all the players leave when adkins left? did manure lose their best players when AF retired? I don't think I have ever seen an exodus of players when a popular manager leaves a club. player departures will be down to the board not MP.
there are plenty of top quality managers who would love to come here with all our facilities? really who? again though if he did leave, the club see the managers role as just a cog in the `Southampton way`, and they have said before that they would only replace with a similar `cog`. so saying that this or that manager is the answer is only right if he would fit in with our philosophy.
that being said, hurray up and sign MP and put us all out of our misery.
I can't agree with this 'sell a player or two' argument. Ok, it seems reasonable on face value but it misses out on one massive factor. NC persuaded MoPo and some of the players to come here based on the clubs aims and aspirations - it's vision. Other players like Luke and Adam were persuaded to sign new contracts based on the same vision and the wages of course. They want the money but they also want the on pitch success to enable them to have a career to be proud to look back on - sat on their Sunseekers when they're over 40... :o)

If we sell a couple of them then the statement made to the manager and the remaining players - and indeed the ones we are trying to court - is that we have dropped our previous vision of competing at the highest level. If we do that we will lose all of the top quality players over a season or two and end up with a loyal squad who fight to remain in the Prem year after year. The likes of Kelvin, Fonte, Yoshida, Hoover, Rickie, Davis etc. It will effectively be a return to the Lowe years with a team of half decent players made good by one loyal star Matt (Adam). Even Beattie felt he could play at a higher level than Saints ffs! We've moved on from that period and need to keep progressing albeit at a sensible pace.
I`m not saying we will sell luke lalla etc, but we might sell yoshida or clyne , Osvaldo is going and cork might move on, I don't want any of them to leave (except Osvaldo). MP will fight to keep the players he wants but if the board decide to sell someone he doesn't want to go will it be too much for MP to take? they all brought into the NC vision and we now need to see if they agree with the new vision.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: why does everyone think MP will go if the clubs new `vision` isn't the same as the old? did he quit espanyol when after he joined they started to sell off their best players to stop them going bust? no he stuck to his job and kept bringing the youth through. I`m not saying he is going to stay if the board tell him they want to sell all of our best players (which they wont), but they might want to sell a player or two and being a manager MP will realise that players do get sold. what I think it comes down to is that MP wants to have a say in what players are sold, and if he really wants to keep a player he will want the club to accept that. he isn't stupid and will realise that the lure of the `big` clubs will be hard for some players to resist. there is also the subject of the transfer budget to work out. MP has this season to finish first and every comment that comes out of the club says that he is at the training ground early and doesn't leave until late, perhaps he feels there is more time to sit down and talk properly with the board after the season has finished, makes more sense to me. if MP does decide to leave I will wish him all the best, but I don't think for 1 minute that it will lead to a mass exodus of our best players, why would it? did all the players leave when adkins left? did manure lose their best players when AF retired? I don't think I have ever seen an exodus of players when a popular manager leaves a club. player departures will be down to the board not MP. there are plenty of top quality managers who would love to come here with all our facilities? really who? again though if he did leave, the club see the managers role as just a cog in the `Southampton way`, and they have said before that they would only replace with a similar `cog`. so saying that this or that manager is the answer is only right if he would fit in with our philosophy. that being said, hurray up and sign MP and put us all out of our misery.[/p][/quote]I can't agree with this 'sell a player or two' argument. Ok, it seems reasonable on face value but it misses out on one massive factor. NC persuaded MoPo and some of the players to come here based on the clubs aims and aspirations - it's vision. Other players like Luke and Adam were persuaded to sign new contracts based on the same vision and the wages of course. They want the money but they also want the on pitch success to enable them to have a career to be proud to look back on - sat on their Sunseekers when they're over 40... :o) If we sell a couple of them then the statement made to the manager and the remaining players - and indeed the ones we are trying to court - is that we have dropped our previous vision of competing at the highest level. If we do that we will lose all of the top quality players over a season or two and end up with a loyal squad who fight to remain in the Prem year after year. The likes of Kelvin, Fonte, Yoshida, Hoover, Rickie, Davis etc. It will effectively be a return to the Lowe years with a team of half decent players made good by one loyal star Matt (Adam). Even Beattie felt he could play at a higher level than Saints ffs! We've moved on from that period and need to keep progressing albeit at a sensible pace.[/p][/quote]I`m not saying we will sell luke lalla etc, but we might sell yoshida or clyne , Osvaldo is going and cork might move on, I don't want any of them to leave (except Osvaldo). MP will fight to keep the players he wants but if the board decide to sell someone he doesn't want to go will it be too much for MP to take? they all brought into the NC vision and we now need to see if they agree with the new vision. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 0

3:35pm Fri 28 Mar 14

ghk230473 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
why does everyone think MP will go if the clubs new `vision` isn't the same as the old? did he quit espanyol when after he joined they started to sell off their best players to stop them going bust? no he stuck to his job and kept bringing the youth through.
I`m not saying he is going to stay if the board tell him they want to sell all of our best players (which they wont), but they might want to sell a player or two and being a manager MP will realise that players do get sold. what I think it comes down to is that MP wants to have a say in what players are sold, and if he really wants to keep a player he will want the club to accept that. he isn't stupid and will realise that the lure of the `big` clubs will be hard for some players to resist. there is also the subject of the transfer budget to work out. MP has this season to finish first and every comment that comes out of the club says that he is at the training ground early and doesn't leave until late, perhaps he feels there is more time to sit down and talk properly with the board after the season has finished, makes more sense to me.

if MP does decide to leave I will wish him all the best, but I don't think for 1 minute that it will lead to a mass exodus of our best players, why would it? did all the players leave when adkins left? did manure lose their best players when AF retired? I don't think I have ever seen an exodus of players when a popular manager leaves a club. player departures will be down to the board not MP.
there are plenty of top quality managers who would love to come here with all our facilities? really who? again though if he did leave, the club see the managers role as just a cog in the `Southampton way`, and they have said before that they would only replace with a similar `cog`. so saying that this or that manager is the answer is only right if he would fit in with our philosophy.
that being said, hurray up and sign MP and put us all out of our misery.
I can't agree with this 'sell a player or two' argument. Ok, it seems reasonable on face value but it misses out on one massive factor. NC persuaded MoPo and some of the players to come here based on the clubs aims and aspirations - it's vision. Other players like Luke and Adam were persuaded to sign new contracts based on the same vision and the wages of course. They want the money but they also want the on pitch success to enable them to have a career to be proud to look back on - sat on their Sunseekers when they're over 40... :o)

If we sell a couple of them then the statement made to the manager and the remaining players - and indeed the ones we are trying to court - is that we have dropped our previous vision of competing at the highest level. If we do that we will lose all of the top quality players over a season or two and end up with a loyal squad who fight to remain in the Prem year after year. The likes of Kelvin, Fonte, Yoshida, Hoover, Rickie, Davis etc. It will effectively be a return to the Lowe years with a team of half decent players made good by one loyal star Matt (Adam). Even Beattie felt he could play at a higher level than Saints ffs! We've moved on from that period and need to keep progressing albeit at a sensible pace.
The clubs not big enough yet to challenge top 7 let alone top 4. Realistically we will sell IF the price is right, we are in a better position than when we let bale and theo go. We are about 10 years away from top 4. An increased stadium is needed straight away, 1st to maybe 38000 then to mid 40's. Katherine isn't going to chuck money at it like abrahmovich and I wouldn't want her to. There's youth coming thru too and they must be allowed a chance. Only thing I would change is our age policy, players are fitter and look after themselves better than before, we could do with a bit of experience, may have prevented us losing so many games when we were leading.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: why does everyone think MP will go if the clubs new `vision` isn't the same as the old? did he quit espanyol when after he joined they started to sell off their best players to stop them going bust? no he stuck to his job and kept bringing the youth through. I`m not saying he is going to stay if the board tell him they want to sell all of our best players (which they wont), but they might want to sell a player or two and being a manager MP will realise that players do get sold. what I think it comes down to is that MP wants to have a say in what players are sold, and if he really wants to keep a player he will want the club to accept that. he isn't stupid and will realise that the lure of the `big` clubs will be hard for some players to resist. there is also the subject of the transfer budget to work out. MP has this season to finish first and every comment that comes out of the club says that he is at the training ground early and doesn't leave until late, perhaps he feels there is more time to sit down and talk properly with the board after the season has finished, makes more sense to me. if MP does decide to leave I will wish him all the best, but I don't think for 1 minute that it will lead to a mass exodus of our best players, why would it? did all the players leave when adkins left? did manure lose their best players when AF retired? I don't think I have ever seen an exodus of players when a popular manager leaves a club. player departures will be down to the board not MP. there are plenty of top quality managers who would love to come here with all our facilities? really who? again though if he did leave, the club see the managers role as just a cog in the `Southampton way`, and they have said before that they would only replace with a similar `cog`. so saying that this or that manager is the answer is only right if he would fit in with our philosophy. that being said, hurray up and sign MP and put us all out of our misery.[/p][/quote]I can't agree with this 'sell a player or two' argument. Ok, it seems reasonable on face value but it misses out on one massive factor. NC persuaded MoPo and some of the players to come here based on the clubs aims and aspirations - it's vision. Other players like Luke and Adam were persuaded to sign new contracts based on the same vision and the wages of course. They want the money but they also want the on pitch success to enable them to have a career to be proud to look back on - sat on their Sunseekers when they're over 40... :o) If we sell a couple of them then the statement made to the manager and the remaining players - and indeed the ones we are trying to court - is that we have dropped our previous vision of competing at the highest level. If we do that we will lose all of the top quality players over a season or two and end up with a loyal squad who fight to remain in the Prem year after year. The likes of Kelvin, Fonte, Yoshida, Hoover, Rickie, Davis etc. It will effectively be a return to the Lowe years with a team of half decent players made good by one loyal star Matt (Adam). Even Beattie felt he could play at a higher level than Saints ffs! We've moved on from that period and need to keep progressing albeit at a sensible pace.[/p][/quote]The clubs not big enough yet to challenge top 7 let alone top 4. Realistically we will sell IF the price is right, we are in a better position than when we let bale and theo go. We are about 10 years away from top 4. An increased stadium is needed straight away, 1st to maybe 38000 then to mid 40's. Katherine isn't going to chuck money at it like abrahmovich and I wouldn't want her to. There's youth coming thru too and they must be allowed a chance. Only thing I would change is our age policy, players are fitter and look after themselves better than before, we could do with a bit of experience, may have prevented us losing so many games when we were leading. ghk230473
  • Score: -3

3:59pm Fri 28 Mar 14

jrod11 says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
why does everyone think MP will go if the clubs new `vision` isn't the same as the old? did he quit espanyol when after he joined they started to sell off their best players to stop them going bust? no he stuck to his job and kept bringing the youth through.
I`m not saying he is going to stay if the board tell him they want to sell all of our best players (which they wont), but they might want to sell a player or two and being a manager MP will realise that players do get sold. what I think it comes down to is that MP wants to have a say in what players are sold, and if he really wants to keep a player he will want the club to accept that. he isn't stupid and will realise that the lure of the `big` clubs will be hard for some players to resist. there is also the subject of the transfer budget to work out. MP has this season to finish first and every comment that comes out of the club says that he is at the training ground early and doesn't leave until late, perhaps he feels there is more time to sit down and talk properly with the board after the season has finished, makes more sense to me.

if MP does decide to leave I will wish him all the best, but I don't think for 1 minute that it will lead to a mass exodus of our best players, why would it? did all the players leave when adkins left? did manure lose their best players when AF retired? I don't think I have ever seen an exodus of players when a popular manager leaves a club. player departures will be down to the board not MP.
there are plenty of top quality managers who would love to come here with all our facilities? really who? again though if he did leave, the club see the managers role as just a cog in the `Southampton way`, and they have said before that they would only replace with a similar `cog`. so saying that this or that manager is the answer is only right if he would fit in with our philosophy.
that being said, hurray up and sign MP and put us all out of our misery.
I can't agree with this 'sell a player or two' argument. Ok, it seems reasonable on face value but it misses out on one massive factor. NC persuaded MoPo and some of the players to come here based on the clubs aims and aspirations - it's vision. Other players like Luke and Adam were persuaded to sign new contracts based on the same vision and the wages of course. They want the money but they also want the on pitch success to enable them to have a career to be proud to look back on - sat on their Sunseekers when they're over 40... :o)

If we sell a couple of them then the statement made to the manager and the remaining players - and indeed the ones we are trying to court - is that we have dropped our previous vision of competing at the highest level. If we do that we will lose all of the top quality players over a season or two and end up with a loyal squad who fight to remain in the Prem year after year. The likes of Kelvin, Fonte, Yoshida, Hoover, Rickie, Davis etc. It will effectively be a return to the Lowe years with a team of half decent players made good by one loyal star Matt (Adam). Even Beattie felt he could play at a higher level than Saints ffs! We've moved on from that period and need to keep progressing albeit at a sensible pace.
The clubs not big enough yet to challenge top 7 let alone top 4. Realistically we will sell IF the price is right, we are in a better position than when we let bale and theo go. We are about 10 years away from top 4. An increased stadium is needed straight away, 1st to maybe 38000 then to mid 40's. Katherine isn't going to chuck money at it like abrahmovich and I wouldn't want her to. There's youth coming thru too and they must be allowed a chance. Only thing I would change is our age policy, players are fitter and look after themselves better than before, we could do with a bit of experience, may have prevented us losing so many games when we were leading.
A increased stadium is a must to compete at the higher level and 45000 is a realistic figure to aim at eventually .
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: why does everyone think MP will go if the clubs new `vision` isn't the same as the old? did he quit espanyol when after he joined they started to sell off their best players to stop them going bust? no he stuck to his job and kept bringing the youth through. I`m not saying he is going to stay if the board tell him they want to sell all of our best players (which they wont), but they might want to sell a player or two and being a manager MP will realise that players do get sold. what I think it comes down to is that MP wants to have a say in what players are sold, and if he really wants to keep a player he will want the club to accept that. he isn't stupid and will realise that the lure of the `big` clubs will be hard for some players to resist. there is also the subject of the transfer budget to work out. MP has this season to finish first and every comment that comes out of the club says that he is at the training ground early and doesn't leave until late, perhaps he feels there is more time to sit down and talk properly with the board after the season has finished, makes more sense to me. if MP does decide to leave I will wish him all the best, but I don't think for 1 minute that it will lead to a mass exodus of our best players, why would it? did all the players leave when adkins left? did manure lose their best players when AF retired? I don't think I have ever seen an exodus of players when a popular manager leaves a club. player departures will be down to the board not MP. there are plenty of top quality managers who would love to come here with all our facilities? really who? again though if he did leave, the club see the managers role as just a cog in the `Southampton way`, and they have said before that they would only replace with a similar `cog`. so saying that this or that manager is the answer is only right if he would fit in with our philosophy. that being said, hurray up and sign MP and put us all out of our misery.[/p][/quote]I can't agree with this 'sell a player or two' argument. Ok, it seems reasonable on face value but it misses out on one massive factor. NC persuaded MoPo and some of the players to come here based on the clubs aims and aspirations - it's vision. Other players like Luke and Adam were persuaded to sign new contracts based on the same vision and the wages of course. They want the money but they also want the on pitch success to enable them to have a career to be proud to look back on - sat on their Sunseekers when they're over 40... :o) If we sell a couple of them then the statement made to the manager and the remaining players - and indeed the ones we are trying to court - is that we have dropped our previous vision of competing at the highest level. If we do that we will lose all of the top quality players over a season or two and end up with a loyal squad who fight to remain in the Prem year after year. The likes of Kelvin, Fonte, Yoshida, Hoover, Rickie, Davis etc. It will effectively be a return to the Lowe years with a team of half decent players made good by one loyal star Matt (Adam). Even Beattie felt he could play at a higher level than Saints ffs! We've moved on from that period and need to keep progressing albeit at a sensible pace.[/p][/quote]The clubs not big enough yet to challenge top 7 let alone top 4. Realistically we will sell IF the price is right, we are in a better position than when we let bale and theo go. We are about 10 years away from top 4. An increased stadium is needed straight away, 1st to maybe 38000 then to mid 40's. Katherine isn't going to chuck money at it like abrahmovich and I wouldn't want her to. There's youth coming thru too and they must be allowed a chance. Only thing I would change is our age policy, players are fitter and look after themselves better than before, we could do with a bit of experience, may have prevented us losing so many games when we were leading.[/p][/quote]A increased stadium is a must to compete at the higher level and 45000 is a realistic figure to aim at eventually . jrod11
  • Score: 0

4:28pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Clever Dick says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Velleity wrote:
jrod11 wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Little Hitler wrote:
All sounds very sensible to me, it's called The Southampton Way and is based on sound logic.

Meanwhile, at the smelly end of the M27, the new manager will be chosen based entirely on their eBay feedback score. I'm a 100%er myself but it didn't interest me.
Yeah. One of their board members was interviewed on SKY and said they had to take this decision as they didn't want to be seen to be panicking. LMFAO. 7 games to go and sacking your manager and replacing him with the academy manager when they have a cr@p academy insn't panicking? Come on Newport.
Well said Dick.
Is it just me or does jrod11 remind anyone else of Kent141? Definitely the same style of post and general quiet undermining.
Thought exactly the same, Velleity, and like Kuntyboy, the best thing is to treat him with the insignificance he so richly deserves.
he does like CD though doesn't he. dick did you upset him in the past? you might have a stalker on your hands!
Yeah. I upset him by disagreeing with him over a completely insignificant matter and he wouldn't.have it. I thought he was a previous poster who always knew it all and had to have the last word even when he was clearly talking sh1t. I just couldn't remember his sign on. I'm now proud to say that I am his favourite poster and I have him trained to respond with inane cr@p every time I post. So I'm just ignoring and having a chuckle and hoping he has an even more enjoyable time when he gets to watch some Conference footie next season.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jrod11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: All sounds very sensible to me, it's called The Southampton Way and is based on sound logic. Meanwhile, at the smelly end of the M27, the new manager will be chosen based entirely on their eBay feedback score. I'm a 100%er myself but it didn't interest me.[/p][/quote]Yeah. One of their board members was interviewed on SKY and said they had to take this decision as they didn't want to be seen to be panicking. LMFAO. 7 games to go and sacking your manager and replacing him with the academy manager when they have a cr@p academy insn't panicking? Come on Newport.[/p][/quote]Well said Dick.[/p][/quote]Is it just me or does jrod11 remind anyone else of Kent141? Definitely the same style of post and general quiet undermining.[/p][/quote]Thought exactly the same, Velleity, and like Kuntyboy, the best thing is to treat him with the insignificance he so richly deserves.[/p][/quote]he does like CD though doesn't he. dick did you upset him in the past? you might have a stalker on your hands![/p][/quote]Yeah. I upset him by disagreeing with him over a completely insignificant matter and he wouldn't.have it. I thought he was a previous poster who always knew it all and had to have the last word even when he was clearly talking sh1t. I just couldn't remember his sign on. I'm now proud to say that I am his favourite poster and I have him trained to respond with inane cr@p every time I post. So I'm just ignoring and having a chuckle and hoping he has an even more enjoyable time when he gets to watch some Conference footie next season. Clever Dick
  • Score: 5

5:28pm Fri 28 Mar 14

jrod11 says...

Clever Dick wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Velleity wrote:
jrod11 wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Little Hitler wrote:
All sounds very sensible to me, it's called The Southampton Way and is based on sound logic.

Meanwhile, at the smelly end of the M27, the new manager will be chosen based entirely on their eBay feedback score. I'm a 100%er myself but it didn't interest me.
Yeah. One of their board members was interviewed on SKY and said they had to take this decision as they didn't want to be seen to be panicking. LMFAO. 7 games to go and sacking your manager and replacing him with the academy manager when they have a cr@p academy insn't panicking? Come on Newport.
Well said Dick.
Is it just me or does jrod11 remind anyone else of Kent141? Definitely the same style of post and general quiet undermining.
Thought exactly the same, Velleity, and like Kuntyboy, the best thing is to treat him with the insignificance he so richly deserves.
he does like CD though doesn't he. dick did you upset him in the past? you might have a stalker on your hands!
Yeah. I upset him by disagreeing with him over a completely insignificant matter and he wouldn't.have it. I thought he was a previous poster who always knew it all and had to have the last word even when he was clearly talking sh1t. I just couldn't remember his sign on. I'm now proud to say that I am his favourite poster and I have him trained to respond with inane cr@p every time I post. So I'm just ignoring and having a chuckle and hoping he has an even more enjoyable time when he gets to watch some Conference footie next season.
Well said Dick.. I think a lot of us will enjoy watching Eastleigh when our fixtures dont clash .
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jrod11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: All sounds very sensible to me, it's called The Southampton Way and is based on sound logic. Meanwhile, at the smelly end of the M27, the new manager will be chosen based entirely on their eBay feedback score. I'm a 100%er myself but it didn't interest me.[/p][/quote]Yeah. One of their board members was interviewed on SKY and said they had to take this decision as they didn't want to be seen to be panicking. LMFAO. 7 games to go and sacking your manager and replacing him with the academy manager when they have a cr@p academy insn't panicking? Come on Newport.[/p][/quote]Well said Dick.[/p][/quote]Is it just me or does jrod11 remind anyone else of Kent141? Definitely the same style of post and general quiet undermining.[/p][/quote]Thought exactly the same, Velleity, and like Kuntyboy, the best thing is to treat him with the insignificance he so richly deserves.[/p][/quote]he does like CD though doesn't he. dick did you upset him in the past? you might have a stalker on your hands![/p][/quote]Yeah. I upset him by disagreeing with him over a completely insignificant matter and he wouldn't.have it. I thought he was a previous poster who always knew it all and had to have the last word even when he was clearly talking sh1t. I just couldn't remember his sign on. I'm now proud to say that I am his favourite poster and I have him trained to respond with inane cr@p every time I post. So I'm just ignoring and having a chuckle and hoping he has an even more enjoyable time when he gets to watch some Conference footie next season.[/p][/quote]Well said Dick.. I think a lot of us will enjoy watching Eastleigh when our fixtures dont clash . jrod11
  • Score: -3

5:46pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Velleity says...

jrod11 wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Velleity wrote:
jrod11 wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Little Hitler wrote:
All sounds very sensible to me, it's called The Southampton Way and is based on sound logic.

Meanwhile, at the smelly end of the M27, the new manager will be chosen based entirely on their eBay feedback score. I'm a 100%er myself but it didn't interest me.
Yeah. One of their board members was interviewed on SKY and said they had to take this decision as they didn't want to be seen to be panicking. LMFAO. 7 games to go and sacking your manager and replacing him with the academy manager when they have a cr@p academy insn't panicking? Come on Newport.
Well said Dick.
Is it just me or does jrod11 remind anyone else of Kent141? Definitely the same style of post and general quiet undermining.
Thought exactly the same, Velleity, and like Kuntyboy, the best thing is to treat him with the insignificance he so richly deserves.
he does like CD though doesn't he. dick did you upset him in the past? you might have a stalker on your hands!
Yeah. I upset him by disagreeing with him over a completely insignificant matter and he wouldn't.have it. I thought he was a previous poster who always knew it all and had to have the last word even when he was clearly talking sh1t. I just couldn't remember his sign on. I'm now proud to say that I am his favourite poster and I have him trained to respond with inane cr@p every time I post. So I'm just ignoring and having a chuckle and hoping he has an even more enjoyable time when he gets to watch some Conference footie next season.
Well said Dick.. I think a lot of us will enjoy watching Eastleigh when our fixtures dont clash .
Clever Dick, you were right; he's like a well-trained dog. Nice to have a faithful pet that responds to your every word.

I have one in ghk but he's not quite as reliable.
[quote][p][bold]jrod11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jrod11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: All sounds very sensible to me, it's called The Southampton Way and is based on sound logic. Meanwhile, at the smelly end of the M27, the new manager will be chosen based entirely on their eBay feedback score. I'm a 100%er myself but it didn't interest me.[/p][/quote]Yeah. One of their board members was interviewed on SKY and said they had to take this decision as they didn't want to be seen to be panicking. LMFAO. 7 games to go and sacking your manager and replacing him with the academy manager when they have a cr@p academy insn't panicking? Come on Newport.[/p][/quote]Well said Dick.[/p][/quote]Is it just me or does jrod11 remind anyone else of Kent141? Definitely the same style of post and general quiet undermining.[/p][/quote]Thought exactly the same, Velleity, and like Kuntyboy, the best thing is to treat him with the insignificance he so richly deserves.[/p][/quote]he does like CD though doesn't he. dick did you upset him in the past? you might have a stalker on your hands![/p][/quote]Yeah. I upset him by disagreeing with him over a completely insignificant matter and he wouldn't.have it. I thought he was a previous poster who always knew it all and had to have the last word even when he was clearly talking sh1t. I just couldn't remember his sign on. I'm now proud to say that I am his favourite poster and I have him trained to respond with inane cr@p every time I post. So I'm just ignoring and having a chuckle and hoping he has an even more enjoyable time when he gets to watch some Conference footie next season.[/p][/quote]Well said Dick.. I think a lot of us will enjoy watching Eastleigh when our fixtures dont clash .[/p][/quote]Clever Dick, you were right; he's like a well-trained dog. Nice to have a faithful pet that responds to your every word. I have one in ghk but he's not quite as reliable. Velleity
  • Score: -12

6:44pm Fri 28 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Velleity wrote:
jrod11 wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Velleity wrote:
jrod11 wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Little Hitler wrote:
All sounds very sensible to me, it's called The Southampton Way and is based on sound logic.

Meanwhile, at the smelly end of the M27, the new manager will be chosen based entirely on their eBay feedback score. I'm a 100%er myself but it didn't interest me.
Yeah. One of their board members was interviewed on SKY and said they had to take this decision as they didn't want to be seen to be panicking. LMFAO. 7 games to go and sacking your manager and replacing him with the academy manager when they have a cr@p academy insn't panicking? Come on Newport.
Well said Dick.
Is it just me or does jrod11 remind anyone else of Kent141? Definitely the same style of post and general quiet undermining.
Thought exactly the same, Velleity, and like Kuntyboy, the best thing is to treat him with the insignificance he so richly deserves.
he does like CD though doesn't he. dick did you upset him in the past? you might have a stalker on your hands!
Yeah. I upset him by disagreeing with him over a completely insignificant matter and he wouldn't.have it. I thought he was a previous poster who always knew it all and had to have the last word even when he was clearly talking sh1t. I just couldn't remember his sign on. I'm now proud to say that I am his favourite poster and I have him trained to respond with inane cr@p every time I post. So I'm just ignoring and having a chuckle and hoping he has an even more enjoyable time when he gets to watch some Conference footie next season.
Well said Dick.. I think a lot of us will enjoy watching Eastleigh when our fixtures dont clash .
Clever Dick, you were right; he's like a well-trained dog. Nice to have a faithful pet that responds to your every word.

I have one in ghk but he's not quite as reliable.
I see myself as a friendly mongrel, reliable and loyal, but not always well behaved. I see you as Jack Russell, good at rooting out rotters.
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jrod11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jrod11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: All sounds very sensible to me, it's called The Southampton Way and is based on sound logic. Meanwhile, at the smelly end of the M27, the new manager will be chosen based entirely on their eBay feedback score. I'm a 100%er myself but it didn't interest me.[/p][/quote]Yeah. One of their board members was interviewed on SKY and said they had to take this decision as they didn't want to be seen to be panicking. LMFAO. 7 games to go and sacking your manager and replacing him with the academy manager when they have a cr@p academy insn't panicking? Come on Newport.[/p][/quote]Well said Dick.[/p][/quote]Is it just me or does jrod11 remind anyone else of Kent141? Definitely the same style of post and general quiet undermining.[/p][/quote]Thought exactly the same, Velleity, and like Kuntyboy, the best thing is to treat him with the insignificance he so richly deserves.[/p][/quote]he does like CD though doesn't he. dick did you upset him in the past? you might have a stalker on your hands![/p][/quote]Yeah. I upset him by disagreeing with him over a completely insignificant matter and he wouldn't.have it. I thought he was a previous poster who always knew it all and had to have the last word even when he was clearly talking sh1t. I just couldn't remember his sign on. I'm now proud to say that I am his favourite poster and I have him trained to respond with inane cr@p every time I post. So I'm just ignoring and having a chuckle and hoping he has an even more enjoyable time when he gets to watch some Conference footie next season.[/p][/quote]Well said Dick.. I think a lot of us will enjoy watching Eastleigh when our fixtures dont clash .[/p][/quote]Clever Dick, you were right; he's like a well-trained dog. Nice to have a faithful pet that responds to your every word. I have one in ghk but he's not quite as reliable.[/p][/quote]I see myself as a friendly mongrel, reliable and loyal, but not always well behaved. I see you as Jack Russell, good at rooting out rotters. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -3

6:53pm Fri 28 Mar 14

mikesugar says...

We have had a fantastic season and thanks to all at Saints for giving us that. The squad is still too thin to go after Europe or indeed protracted cup runs so making sure of Premier league status and top ten finish was clearly the Project MoPo refers to. 100% success I would suggest and fully deserves the plaudits and hopefully bonus he gets. Where do we go from here? With the Board now structured to manage the business and a solid financial base we can look forward to the next phase of strengthening the team, bringing through more youngsters and giving the Manager more options. How do they do that? my take on it is sell the big price players whilst they attract the biggest price. So we will see Luke and Adam go for sure, and probably Chambers, the important thing is what we do with the money….and that will be the key to keeping MoPo and moving forward.
We have had a fantastic season and thanks to all at Saints for giving us that. The squad is still too thin to go after Europe or indeed protracted cup runs so making sure of Premier league status and top ten finish was clearly the Project MoPo refers to. 100% success I would suggest and fully deserves the plaudits and hopefully bonus he gets. Where do we go from here? With the Board now structured to manage the business and a solid financial base we can look forward to the next phase of strengthening the team, bringing through more youngsters and giving the Manager more options. How do they do that? my take on it is sell the big price players whilst they attract the biggest price. So we will see Luke and Adam go for sure, and probably Chambers, the important thing is what we do with the money….and that will be the key to keeping MoPo and moving forward. mikesugar
  • Score: -2

7:20pm Fri 28 Mar 14

lowe esteem says...

george chivers wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
With a bit of luck MoPo will decide that his future lies somewhere other than Southampton
As much as I have enjoyed a lot of the games his coaching tends to be one dimensional and he has probably taken us as far as he can Plenty of coaches in this world who can come in and take us further
I didn't re-new my season ticket this year because I don't like the way we play. I am not a fan of Spanish press the ball, high possession rate tactics. I prefer to watch teams who play like Liverpool or Everton and Tottenham at their best. By doing that I have downgraded myself from supporter to fan. I will however, never follow any other club other than Saints. I am without any doubt STID.

But I don't agree with what you say about MOPO. He has taken us to a very respectable position in the league, our best ever I believe in the PL. What is frustrating is the number of times we have been in winning positions and thrown the points away. Something like 33 points I believe.

This however can be improved upon next season with the acquisition of better players. A quicker central defender for instance and by the elimination, as much as possible of individual errors by players in the penalty area. This will I think enable us to climb the league.

So despite the fact I don't like the brand of football MOPO delivers I do like the results. And I do believe that continued success for provincial clubs like ours will only come if we have continuity in the management team. I do believe he can move us onwards and upwards, its just if he doesn't employ a more multi-dimensional style of play I won't be there to witness it. But I will be pleased to look at the league table.

I hope he stays, good luck to him. I think we need him.

STID COYR
Careful George, the content of your post is not fawning enough-or brief enough for some- so "we" have taken some points away!
However, these are the same people that are indulging in some quality premature panicking that's right up there with Corporal Jones, and in no time they're discussing the merits of Hoddle et al, which is ridiculous, and shows how these things get out of hand.
I do agree with most of what you say, and note that you have not got swept away with the tide of hyperbole and the false momentum that can be created by the sycophants and constant media attention, which we're all party to.
Whilst most Saints fans would agree to disagree on something, it is worth noting that there must be a direct correlation between our recent successes and the slower turnover of managers. I am sure that all efforts will be made to retain this particular one.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: With a bit of luck MoPo will decide that his future lies somewhere other than Southampton As much as I have enjoyed a lot of the games his coaching tends to be one dimensional and he has probably taken us as far as he can Plenty of coaches in this world who can come in and take us further[/p][/quote]I didn't re-new my season ticket this year because I don't like the way we play. I am not a fan of Spanish press the ball, high possession rate tactics. I prefer to watch teams who play like Liverpool or Everton and Tottenham at their best. By doing that I have downgraded myself from supporter to fan. I will however, never follow any other club other than Saints. I am without any doubt STID. But I don't agree with what you say about MOPO. He has taken us to a very respectable position in the league, our best ever I believe in the PL. What is frustrating is the number of times we have been in winning positions and thrown the points away. Something like 33 points I believe. This however can be improved upon next season with the acquisition of better players. A quicker central defender for instance and by the elimination, as much as possible of individual errors by players in the penalty area. This will I think enable us to climb the league. So despite the fact I don't like the brand of football MOPO delivers I do like the results. And I do believe that continued success for provincial clubs like ours will only come if we have continuity in the management team. I do believe he can move us onwards and upwards, its just if he doesn't employ a more multi-dimensional style of play I won't be there to witness it. But I will be pleased to look at the league table. I hope he stays, good luck to him. I think we need him. STID COYR[/p][/quote]Careful George, the content of your post is not fawning enough-or brief enough for some- so "we" have taken some points away! However, these are the same people that are indulging in some quality premature panicking that's right up there with Corporal Jones, and in no time they're discussing the merits of Hoddle et al, which is ridiculous, and shows how these things get out of hand. I do agree with most of what you say, and note that you have not got swept away with the tide of hyperbole and the false momentum that can be created by the sycophants and constant media attention, which we're all party to. Whilst most Saints fans would agree to disagree on something, it is worth noting that there must be a direct correlation between our recent successes and the slower turnover of managers. I am sure that all efforts will be made to retain this particular one. lowe esteem
  • Score: -2

7:20pm Fri 28 Mar 14

george chivers says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
With a bit of luck MoPo will decide that his future lies somewhere other than Southampton
As much as I have enjoyed a lot of the games his coaching tends to be one dimensional and he has probably taken us as far as he can Plenty of coaches in this world who can come in and take us further
I didn't re-new my season ticket this year because I don't like the way we play. I am not a fan of Spanish press the ball, high possession rate tactics. I prefer to watch teams who play like Liverpool or Everton and Tottenham at their best. By doing that I have downgraded myself from supporter to fan. I will however, never follow any other club other than Saints. I am without any doubt STID.

But I don't agree with what you say about MOPO. He has taken us to a very respectable position in the league, our best ever I believe in the PL. What is frustrating is the number of times we have been in winning positions and thrown the points away. Something like 33 points I believe.

This however can be improved upon next season with the acquisition of better players. A quicker central defender for instance and by the elimination, as much as possible of individual errors by players in the penalty area. This will I think enable us to climb the league.

So despite the fact I don't like the brand of football MOPO delivers I do like the results. And I do believe that continued success for provincial clubs like ours will only come if we have continuity in the management team. I do believe he can move us onwards and upwards, its just if he doesn't employ a more multi-dimensional style of play I won't be there to witness it. But I will be pleased to look at the league table.

I hope he stays, good luck to him. I think we need him.

STID COYR
George, how can you say that you don't like our style of football, the high press game, and then say that you prefer to watch teams like Liverpool and Everton (will get to spuds in a sec), Liverpool play the same style as us, pressing high whilst having two holding midfielders and the width coming from the full backs. the only reason that Liverpool win more than us is because they have suarez up front, with other good quality players. Liverpool concede a lot of goals, like we do, using this system 39 to our 40! they just score more.
Everton have a Spanish manager, Roberto Martinez, who plays a similar pass and move high press game, which he started at Swansea and brendon rogers followed on from and then took to Liverpool. so both Liverpool and Everton`s managers have managed Swansea and both play the pass/move pressing game. so tell me, how can you think that both teams play differently to us?
back to spuds, does anyone know what system they are playing? I don't even think Tim Sherwood has much of a clue as he constantly changes shape and players positions during games, he has to react to how other teams play as whatever system he starts with is usually wrong, spuds win and loss percentages are both worse than they were under AVB, if Sherwood hadn't got Adebayor playing in his first few games (which is all adebayor usually does well in) his record would have been a lot worse. Sherwood will be sacked in the summer and spuds will go for a big name manager, they have tried to buy their way into the champions league, spending over £100mill (bale+) but it hasn't worked, they cant spend the same this summer so will have to try for a big name manager, just shows what a player like bale or suarez can do for a team. spuds have conceded the same as us but scored less giving them a 0 goal difference. do you like watching teams scramble around looking like headless chickens with players not knowing what they or their team mates are supposed to be doing? yes they beat us but we gave them the game, had lalla scored when through on the keeper (it was a good save) we would have gone 3-0 up and their heads would have dropped.
you don't have to like our style of football, I really do, but you cant then say that you like other teams who play a very, very similar system.
The difference is this, none of those clubs push up as high as we do and all three use wingers at some time in the game. They are not so narrow as us because they have players such as Sterling, Townsend and McGeady who are out and out wingers who operate on both flanks.

We don't have any wingers, the last one was Puncheon who we sold to Palace. For me we are too predictable and not entertaining enough for my liking. If we could bring in the whole of the Barcelona team I still wouldn't want to watch us play with a carousel in midfield. There is too much emphasis on possession for me. Everton Liverpool and Spurs are far more entertaining to watch and that is the style of football I like.

But I know lots of people will disagree and are happy with improved results and are not worried about wingers. Good luck to them that is their right.

STID COYR
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: With a bit of luck MoPo will decide that his future lies somewhere other than Southampton As much as I have enjoyed a lot of the games his coaching tends to be one dimensional and he has probably taken us as far as he can Plenty of coaches in this world who can come in and take us further[/p][/quote]I didn't re-new my season ticket this year because I don't like the way we play. I am not a fan of Spanish press the ball, high possession rate tactics. I prefer to watch teams who play like Liverpool or Everton and Tottenham at their best. By doing that I have downgraded myself from supporter to fan. I will however, never follow any other club other than Saints. I am without any doubt STID. But I don't agree with what you say about MOPO. He has taken us to a very respectable position in the league, our best ever I believe in the PL. What is frustrating is the number of times we have been in winning positions and thrown the points away. Something like 33 points I believe. This however can be improved upon next season with the acquisition of better players. A quicker central defender for instance and by the elimination, as much as possible of individual errors by players in the penalty area. This will I think enable us to climb the league. So despite the fact I don't like the brand of football MOPO delivers I do like the results. And I do believe that continued success for provincial clubs like ours will only come if we have continuity in the management team. I do believe he can move us onwards and upwards, its just if he doesn't employ a more multi-dimensional style of play I won't be there to witness it. But I will be pleased to look at the league table. I hope he stays, good luck to him. I think we need him. STID COYR[/p][/quote]George, how can you say that you don't like our style of football, the high press game, and then say that you prefer to watch teams like Liverpool and Everton (will get to spuds in a sec), Liverpool play the same style as us, pressing high whilst having two holding midfielders and the width coming from the full backs. the only reason that Liverpool win more than us is because they have suarez up front, with other good quality players. Liverpool concede a lot of goals, like we do, using this system 39 to our 40! they just score more. Everton have a Spanish manager, Roberto Martinez, who plays a similar pass and move high press game, which he started at Swansea and brendon rogers followed on from and then took to Liverpool. so both Liverpool and Everton`s managers have managed Swansea and both play the pass/move pressing game. so tell me, how can you think that both teams play differently to us? back to spuds, does anyone know what system they are playing? I don't even think Tim Sherwood has much of a clue as he constantly changes shape and players positions during games, he has to react to how other teams play as whatever system he starts with is usually wrong, spuds win and loss percentages are both worse than they were under AVB, if Sherwood hadn't got Adebayor playing in his first few games (which is all adebayor usually does well in) his record would have been a lot worse. Sherwood will be sacked in the summer and spuds will go for a big name manager, they have tried to buy their way into the champions league, spending over £100mill (bale+) but it hasn't worked, they cant spend the same this summer so will have to try for a big name manager, just shows what a player like bale or suarez can do for a team. spuds have conceded the same as us but scored less giving them a 0 goal difference. do you like watching teams scramble around looking like headless chickens with players not knowing what they or their team mates are supposed to be doing? yes they beat us but we gave them the game, had lalla scored when through on the keeper (it was a good save) we would have gone 3-0 up and their heads would have dropped. you don't have to like our style of football, I really do, but you cant then say that you like other teams who play a very, very similar system.[/p][/quote]The difference is this, none of those clubs push up as high as we do and all three use wingers at some time in the game. They are not so narrow as us because they have players such as Sterling, Townsend and McGeady who are out and out wingers who operate on both flanks. We don't have any wingers, the last one was Puncheon who we sold to Palace. For me we are too predictable and not entertaining enough for my liking. If we could bring in the whole of the Barcelona team I still wouldn't want to watch us play with a carousel in midfield. There is too much emphasis on possession for me. Everton Liverpool and Spurs are far more entertaining to watch and that is the style of football I like. But I know lots of people will disagree and are happy with improved results and are not worried about wingers. Good luck to them that is their right. STID COYR george chivers
  • Score: 0

7:21pm Fri 28 Mar 14

jrod11 says...

While you lot spend all night on here speaking footy I am off for a Blind date with a hot 51 year old Blonde stunner from Portsmouth called Ann ...Bet Dick is jealous now.
While you lot spend all night on here speaking footy I am off for a Blind date with a hot 51 year old Blonde stunner from Portsmouth called Ann ...Bet Dick is jealous now. jrod11
  • Score: -2

7:32pm Fri 28 Mar 14

george chivers says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
why does everyone think MP will go if the clubs new `vision` isn't the same as the old? did he quit espanyol when after he joined they started to sell off their best players to stop them going bust? no he stuck to his job and kept bringing the youth through.
I`m not saying he is going to stay if the board tell him they want to sell all of our best players (which they wont), but they might want to sell a player or two and being a manager MP will realise that players do get sold. what I think it comes down to is that MP wants to have a say in what players are sold, and if he really wants to keep a player he will want the club to accept that. he isn't stupid and will realise that the lure of the `big` clubs will be hard for some players to resist. there is also the subject of the transfer budget to work out. MP has this season to finish first and every comment that comes out of the club says that he is at the training ground early and doesn't leave until late, perhaps he feels there is more time to sit down and talk properly with the board after the season has finished, makes more sense to me.

if MP does decide to leave I will wish him all the best, but I don't think for 1 minute that it will lead to a mass exodus of our best players, why would it? did all the players leave when adkins left? did manure lose their best players when AF retired? I don't think I have ever seen an exodus of players when a popular manager leaves a club. player departures will be down to the board not MP.
there are plenty of top quality managers who would love to come here with all our facilities? really who? again though if he did leave, the club see the managers role as just a cog in the `Southampton way`, and they have said before that they would only replace with a similar `cog`. so saying that this or that manager is the answer is only right if he would fit in with our philosophy.
that being said, hurray up and sign MP and put us all out of our misery.
I can't agree with this 'sell a player or two' argument. Ok, it seems reasonable on face value but it misses out on one massive factor. NC persuaded MoPo and some of the players to come here based on the clubs aims and aspirations - it's vision. Other players like Luke and Adam were persuaded to sign new contracts based on the same vision and the wages of course. They want the money but they also want the on pitch success to enable them to have a career to be proud to look back on - sat on their Sunseekers when they're over 40... :o)

If we sell a couple of them then the statement made to the manager and the remaining players - and indeed the ones we are trying to court - is that we have dropped our previous vision of competing at the highest level. If we do that we will lose all of the top quality players over a season or two and end up with a loyal squad who fight to remain in the Prem year after year. The likes of Kelvin, Fonte, Yoshida, Hoover, Rickie, Davis etc. It will effectively be a return to the Lowe years with a team of half decent players made good by one loyal star Matt (Adam). Even Beattie felt he could play at a higher level than Saints ffs! We've moved on from that period and need to keep progressing albeit at a sensible pace.
I know you are grieving for NC and I can fully understand that. But he has gone and that has to be accepted.

Personally I would like to keep all of the good players and build on that base but I don't think that is realistic. The World Cup will ensure we will lose some and who can blame them for going. The temptation of more money and an upgrade in the level of football they play will always outstrip a vision sold to them by a man who is no longer with the club.

I don't think there are any of our players who believe they could win the champions league playing for Southampton. Or many of the supporters. The Supporters may dream about it but when they wake up the truth soon hits them.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: why does everyone think MP will go if the clubs new `vision` isn't the same as the old? did he quit espanyol when after he joined they started to sell off their best players to stop them going bust? no he stuck to his job and kept bringing the youth through. I`m not saying he is going to stay if the board tell him they want to sell all of our best players (which they wont), but they might want to sell a player or two and being a manager MP will realise that players do get sold. what I think it comes down to is that MP wants to have a say in what players are sold, and if he really wants to keep a player he will want the club to accept that. he isn't stupid and will realise that the lure of the `big` clubs will be hard for some players to resist. there is also the subject of the transfer budget to work out. MP has this season to finish first and every comment that comes out of the club says that he is at the training ground early and doesn't leave until late, perhaps he feels there is more time to sit down and talk properly with the board after the season has finished, makes more sense to me. if MP does decide to leave I will wish him all the best, but I don't think for 1 minute that it will lead to a mass exodus of our best players, why would it? did all the players leave when adkins left? did manure lose their best players when AF retired? I don't think I have ever seen an exodus of players when a popular manager leaves a club. player departures will be down to the board not MP. there are plenty of top quality managers who would love to come here with all our facilities? really who? again though if he did leave, the club see the managers role as just a cog in the `Southampton way`, and they have said before that they would only replace with a similar `cog`. so saying that this or that manager is the answer is only right if he would fit in with our philosophy. that being said, hurray up and sign MP and put us all out of our misery.[/p][/quote]I can't agree with this 'sell a player or two' argument. Ok, it seems reasonable on face value but it misses out on one massive factor. NC persuaded MoPo and some of the players to come here based on the clubs aims and aspirations - it's vision. Other players like Luke and Adam were persuaded to sign new contracts based on the same vision and the wages of course. They want the money but they also want the on pitch success to enable them to have a career to be proud to look back on - sat on their Sunseekers when they're over 40... :o) If we sell a couple of them then the statement made to the manager and the remaining players - and indeed the ones we are trying to court - is that we have dropped our previous vision of competing at the highest level. If we do that we will lose all of the top quality players over a season or two and end up with a loyal squad who fight to remain in the Prem year after year. The likes of Kelvin, Fonte, Yoshida, Hoover, Rickie, Davis etc. It will effectively be a return to the Lowe years with a team of half decent players made good by one loyal star Matt (Adam). Even Beattie felt he could play at a higher level than Saints ffs! We've moved on from that period and need to keep progressing albeit at a sensible pace.[/p][/quote]I know you are grieving for NC and I can fully understand that. But he has gone and that has to be accepted. Personally I would like to keep all of the good players and build on that base but I don't think that is realistic. The World Cup will ensure we will lose some and who can blame them for going. The temptation of more money and an upgrade in the level of football they play will always outstrip a vision sold to them by a man who is no longer with the club. I don't think there are any of our players who believe they could win the champions league playing for Southampton. Or many of the supporters. The Supporters may dream about it but when they wake up the truth soon hits them. george chivers
  • Score: 2

7:35pm Fri 28 Mar 14

george chivers says...

lowe esteem wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
With a bit of luck MoPo will decide that his future lies somewhere other than Southampton
As much as I have enjoyed a lot of the games his coaching tends to be one dimensional and he has probably taken us as far as he can Plenty of coaches in this world who can come in and take us further
I didn't re-new my season ticket this year because I don't like the way we play. I am not a fan of Spanish press the ball, high possession rate tactics. I prefer to watch teams who play like Liverpool or Everton and Tottenham at their best. By doing that I have downgraded myself from supporter to fan. I will however, never follow any other club other than Saints. I am without any doubt STID.

But I don't agree with what you say about MOPO. He has taken us to a very respectable position in the league, our best ever I believe in the PL. What is frustrating is the number of times we have been in winning positions and thrown the points away. Something like 33 points I believe.

This however can be improved upon next season with the acquisition of better players. A quicker central defender for instance and by the elimination, as much as possible of individual errors by players in the penalty area. This will I think enable us to climb the league.

So despite the fact I don't like the brand of football MOPO delivers I do like the results. And I do believe that continued success for provincial clubs like ours will only come if we have continuity in the management team. I do believe he can move us onwards and upwards, its just if he doesn't employ a more multi-dimensional style of play I won't be there to witness it. But I will be pleased to look at the league table.

I hope he stays, good luck to him. I think we need him.

STID COYR
Careful George, the content of your post is not fawning enough-or brief enough for some- so "we" have taken some points away!
However, these are the same people that are indulging in some quality premature panicking that's right up there with Corporal Jones, and in no time they're discussing the merits of Hoddle et al, which is ridiculous, and shows how these things get out of hand.
I do agree with most of what you say, and note that you have not got swept away with the tide of hyperbole and the false momentum that can be created by the sycophants and constant media attention, which we're all party to.
Whilst most Saints fans would agree to disagree on something, it is worth noting that there must be a direct correlation between our recent successes and the slower turnover of managers. I am sure that all efforts will be made to retain this particular one.
I hope so.
[quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: With a bit of luck MoPo will decide that his future lies somewhere other than Southampton As much as I have enjoyed a lot of the games his coaching tends to be one dimensional and he has probably taken us as far as he can Plenty of coaches in this world who can come in and take us further[/p][/quote]I didn't re-new my season ticket this year because I don't like the way we play. I am not a fan of Spanish press the ball, high possession rate tactics. I prefer to watch teams who play like Liverpool or Everton and Tottenham at their best. By doing that I have downgraded myself from supporter to fan. I will however, never follow any other club other than Saints. I am without any doubt STID. But I don't agree with what you say about MOPO. He has taken us to a very respectable position in the league, our best ever I believe in the PL. What is frustrating is the number of times we have been in winning positions and thrown the points away. Something like 33 points I believe. This however can be improved upon next season with the acquisition of better players. A quicker central defender for instance and by the elimination, as much as possible of individual errors by players in the penalty area. This will I think enable us to climb the league. So despite the fact I don't like the brand of football MOPO delivers I do like the results. And I do believe that continued success for provincial clubs like ours will only come if we have continuity in the management team. I do believe he can move us onwards and upwards, its just if he doesn't employ a more multi-dimensional style of play I won't be there to witness it. But I will be pleased to look at the league table. I hope he stays, good luck to him. I think we need him. STID COYR[/p][/quote]Careful George, the content of your post is not fawning enough-or brief enough for some- so "we" have taken some points away! However, these are the same people that are indulging in some quality premature panicking that's right up there with Corporal Jones, and in no time they're discussing the merits of Hoddle et al, which is ridiculous, and shows how these things get out of hand. I do agree with most of what you say, and note that you have not got swept away with the tide of hyperbole and the false momentum that can be created by the sycophants and constant media attention, which we're all party to. Whilst most Saints fans would agree to disagree on something, it is worth noting that there must be a direct correlation between our recent successes and the slower turnover of managers. I am sure that all efforts will be made to retain this particular one.[/p][/quote]I hope so. george chivers
  • Score: 0

7:36pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Velleity says...

Velleity wrote:
jrod11 wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Velleity wrote:
jrod11 wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Little Hitler wrote:
All sounds very sensible to me, it's called The Southampton Way and is based on sound logic.

Meanwhile, at the smelly end of the M27, the new manager will be chosen based entirely on their eBay feedback score. I'm a 100%er myself but it didn't interest me.
Yeah. One of their board members was interviewed on SKY and said they had to take this decision as they didn't want to be seen to be panicking. LMFAO. 7 games to go and sacking your manager and replacing him with the academy manager when they have a cr@p academy insn't panicking? Come on Newport.
Well said Dick.
Is it just me or does jrod11 remind anyone else of Kent141? Definitely the same style of post and general quiet undermining.
Thought exactly the same, Velleity, and like Kuntyboy, the best thing is to treat him with the insignificance he so richly deserves.
he does like CD though doesn't he. dick did you upset him in the past? you might have a stalker on your hands!
Yeah. I upset him by disagreeing with him over a completely insignificant matter and he wouldn't.have it. I thought he was a previous poster who always knew it all and had to have the last word even when he was clearly talking sh1t. I just couldn't remember his sign on. I'm now proud to say that I am his favourite poster and I have him trained to respond with inane cr@p every time I post. So I'm just ignoring and having a chuckle and hoping he has an even more enjoyable time when he gets to watch some Conference footie next season.
Well said Dick.. I think a lot of us will enjoy watching Eastleigh when our fixtures dont clash .
Clever Dick, you were right; he's like a well-trained dog. Nice to have a faithful pet that responds to your every word.

I have one in ghk but he's not quite as reliable.
And something notable is that if ever I post on a thread where ghk posts, I end up with the most astounding umber of thumbs down you can imagine - way out of any range reasonably possible, because he signs on several times to thumbs down my posts. He's done it above, just because I mentioned him.

I was wrong, he's not a dog, more of a performing seal.
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jrod11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jrod11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: All sounds very sensible to me, it's called The Southampton Way and is based on sound logic. Meanwhile, at the smelly end of the M27, the new manager will be chosen based entirely on their eBay feedback score. I'm a 100%er myself but it didn't interest me.[/p][/quote]Yeah. One of their board members was interviewed on SKY and said they had to take this decision as they didn't want to be seen to be panicking. LMFAO. 7 games to go and sacking your manager and replacing him with the academy manager when they have a cr@p academy insn't panicking? Come on Newport.[/p][/quote]Well said Dick.[/p][/quote]Is it just me or does jrod11 remind anyone else of Kent141? Definitely the same style of post and general quiet undermining.[/p][/quote]Thought exactly the same, Velleity, and like Kuntyboy, the best thing is to treat him with the insignificance he so richly deserves.[/p][/quote]he does like CD though doesn't he. dick did you upset him in the past? you might have a stalker on your hands![/p][/quote]Yeah. I upset him by disagreeing with him over a completely insignificant matter and he wouldn't.have it. I thought he was a previous poster who always knew it all and had to have the last word even when he was clearly talking sh1t. I just couldn't remember his sign on. I'm now proud to say that I am his favourite poster and I have him trained to respond with inane cr@p every time I post. So I'm just ignoring and having a chuckle and hoping he has an even more enjoyable time when he gets to watch some Conference footie next season.[/p][/quote]Well said Dick.. I think a lot of us will enjoy watching Eastleigh when our fixtures dont clash .[/p][/quote]Clever Dick, you were right; he's like a well-trained dog. Nice to have a faithful pet that responds to your every word. I have one in ghk but he's not quite as reliable.[/p][/quote]And something notable is that if ever I post on a thread where ghk posts, I end up with the most astounding umber of thumbs down you can imagine - way out of any range reasonably possible, because he signs on several times to thumbs down my posts. He's done it above, just because I mentioned him. I was wrong, he's not a dog, more of a performing seal. Velleity
  • Score: -11

7:41pm Fri 28 Mar 14

lowe esteem says...

Norwegian Saint wrote:
August 2014
Poch has signed a five year contract extension.
England World Cup Winners Shaw, Lallana, Cork, J-Rod, Lambert, Gallagher, JWP, Clyne, Chambers and Reed all extend contracts to the end of their careers along with Lovren, Davis, Schneiderlain, Boruc and Fonte.
The new additions of Messi and Ronaldo are still trying to get into the starting line up.
Meanwhile, just a few miles to the West the Poopey are getting ready to fight against relegation again to conferance south on a park lent to them by the local toilet draining company, but retains the same name of Fratton Park
You know the in your face way that David Walliams follows Simon Cowell with that sickly faux love struck mooning smile?
That's Pompey that is, and probably why they liked to train at Wellington, why they love watching us at St Mary's or on telly, and why you've heard they've 'gone West' -unless you're looking at the atlas or globe differently in Norway?
[quote][p][bold]Norwegian Saint[/bold] wrote: August 2014 Poch has signed a five year contract extension. England World Cup Winners Shaw, Lallana, Cork, J-Rod, Lambert, Gallagher, JWP, Clyne, Chambers and Reed all extend contracts to the end of their careers along with Lovren, Davis, Schneiderlain, Boruc and Fonte. The new additions of Messi and Ronaldo are still trying to get into the starting line up. Meanwhile, just a few miles to the West the Poopey are getting ready to fight against relegation again to conferance south on a park lent to them by the local toilet draining company, but retains the same name of Fratton Park[/p][/quote]You know the in your face way that David Walliams follows Simon Cowell with that sickly faux love struck mooning smile? That's Pompey that is, and probably why they liked to train at Wellington, why they love watching us at St Mary's or on telly, and why you've heard they've 'gone West' -unless you're looking at the atlas or globe differently in Norway? lowe esteem
  • Score: 0

8:11pm Fri 28 Mar 14

ghk230473 says...

Velleity wrote:
Velleity wrote:
jrod11 wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Velleity wrote:
jrod11 wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Little Hitler wrote:
All sounds very sensible to me, it's called The Southampton Way and is based on sound logic.

Meanwhile, at the smelly end of the M27, the new manager will be chosen based entirely on their eBay feedback score. I'm a 100%er myself but it didn't interest me.
Yeah. One of their board members was interviewed on SKY and said they had to take this decision as they didn't want to be seen to be panicking. LMFAO. 7 games to go and sacking your manager and replacing him with the academy manager when they have a cr@p academy insn't panicking? Come on Newport.
Well said Dick.
Is it just me or does jrod11 remind anyone else of Kent141? Definitely the same style of post and general quiet undermining.
Thought exactly the same, Velleity, and like Kuntyboy, the best thing is to treat him with the insignificance he so richly deserves.
he does like CD though doesn't he. dick did you upset him in the past? you might have a stalker on your hands!
Yeah. I upset him by disagreeing with him over a completely insignificant matter and he wouldn't.have it. I thought he was a previous poster who always knew it all and had to have the last word even when he was clearly talking sh1t. I just couldn't remember his sign on. I'm now proud to say that I am his favourite poster and I have him trained to respond with inane cr@p every time I post. So I'm just ignoring and having a chuckle and hoping he has an even more enjoyable time when he gets to watch some Conference footie next season.
Well said Dick.. I think a lot of us will enjoy watching Eastleigh when our fixtures dont clash .
Clever Dick, you were right; he's like a well-trained dog. Nice to have a faithful pet that responds to your every word.

I have one in ghk but he's not quite as reliable.
And something notable is that if ever I post on a thread where ghk posts, I end up with the most astounding umber of thumbs down you can imagine - way out of any range reasonably possible, because he signs on several times to thumbs down my posts. He's done it above, just because I mentioned him.

I was wrong, he's not a dog, more of a performing seal.
You wish Valerie... Only 1 thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about. Truth is you'd rather be an old busy body like a fish wife gossiping over a fence than talk about football... Could it be because what you know football wise can be written on the back of a stamp with a thick marker pen;-) the sky hasn't fallen yet r val!!!
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jrod11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jrod11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: All sounds very sensible to me, it's called The Southampton Way and is based on sound logic. Meanwhile, at the smelly end of the M27, the new manager will be chosen based entirely on their eBay feedback score. I'm a 100%er myself but it didn't interest me.[/p][/quote]Yeah. One of their board members was interviewed on SKY and said they had to take this decision as they didn't want to be seen to be panicking. LMFAO. 7 games to go and sacking your manager and replacing him with the academy manager when they have a cr@p academy insn't panicking? Come on Newport.[/p][/quote]Well said Dick.[/p][/quote]Is it just me or does jrod11 remind anyone else of Kent141? Definitely the same style of post and general quiet undermining.[/p][/quote]Thought exactly the same, Velleity, and like Kuntyboy, the best thing is to treat him with the insignificance he so richly deserves.[/p][/quote]he does like CD though doesn't he. dick did you upset him in the past? you might have a stalker on your hands![/p][/quote]Yeah. I upset him by disagreeing with him over a completely insignificant matter and he wouldn't.have it. I thought he was a previous poster who always knew it all and had to have the last word even when he was clearly talking sh1t. I just couldn't remember his sign on. I'm now proud to say that I am his favourite poster and I have him trained to respond with inane cr@p every time I post. So I'm just ignoring and having a chuckle and hoping he has an even more enjoyable time when he gets to watch some Conference footie next season.[/p][/quote]Well said Dick.. I think a lot of us will enjoy watching Eastleigh when our fixtures dont clash .[/p][/quote]Clever Dick, you were right; he's like a well-trained dog. Nice to have a faithful pet that responds to your every word. I have one in ghk but he's not quite as reliable.[/p][/quote]And something notable is that if ever I post on a thread where ghk posts, I end up with the most astounding umber of thumbs down you can imagine - way out of any range reasonably possible, because he signs on several times to thumbs down my posts. He's done it above, just because I mentioned him. I was wrong, he's not a dog, more of a performing seal.[/p][/quote]You wish Valerie... Only 1 thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about. Truth is you'd rather be an old busy body like a fish wife gossiping over a fence than talk about football... Could it be because what you know football wise can be written on the back of a stamp with a thick marker pen;-) the sky hasn't fallen yet r val!!! ghk230473
  • Score: 12

8:22pm Fri 28 Mar 14

el caballo santos101 says...

george chivers wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
With a bit of luck MoPo will decide that his future lies somewhere other than Southampton
As much as I have enjoyed a lot of the games his coaching tends to be one dimensional and he has probably taken us as far as he can Plenty of coaches in this world who can come in and take us further
I didn't re-new my season ticket this year because I don't like the way we play. I am not a fan of Spanish press the ball, high possession rate tactics. I prefer to watch teams who play like Liverpool or Everton and Tottenham at their best. By doing that I have downgraded myself from supporter to fan. I will however, never follow any other club other than Saints. I am without any doubt STID.

But I don't agree with what you say about MOPO. He has taken us to a very respectable position in the league, our best ever I believe in the PL. What is frustrating is the number of times we have been in winning positions and thrown the points away. Something like 33 points I believe.

This however can be improved upon next season with the acquisition of better players. A quicker central defender for instance and by the elimination, as much as possible of individual errors by players in the penalty area. This will I think enable us to climb the league.

So despite the fact I don't like the brand of football MOPO delivers I do like the results. And I do believe that continued success for provincial clubs like ours will only come if we have continuity in the management team. I do believe he can move us onwards and upwards, its just if he doesn't employ a more multi-dimensional style of play I won't be there to witness it. But I will be pleased to look at the league table.

I hope he stays, good luck to him. I think we need him.

STID COYR
George, how can you say that you don't like our style of football, the high press game, and then say that you prefer to watch teams like Liverpool and Everton (will get to spuds in a sec), Liverpool play the same style as us, pressing high whilst having two holding midfielders and the width coming from the full backs. the only reason that Liverpool win more than us is because they have suarez up front, with other good quality players. Liverpool concede a lot of goals, like we do, using this system 39 to our 40! they just score more.
Everton have a Spanish manager, Roberto Martinez, who plays a similar pass and move high press game, which he started at Swansea and brendon rogers followed on from and then took to Liverpool. so both Liverpool and Everton`s managers have managed Swansea and both play the pass/move pressing game. so tell me, how can you think that both teams play differently to us?
back to spuds, does anyone know what system they are playing? I don't even think Tim Sherwood has much of a clue as he constantly changes shape and players positions during games, he has to react to how other teams play as whatever system he starts with is usually wrong, spuds win and loss percentages are both worse than they were under AVB, if Sherwood hadn't got Adebayor playing in his first few games (which is all adebayor usually does well in) his record would have been a lot worse. Sherwood will be sacked in the summer and spuds will go for a big name manager, they have tried to buy their way into the champions league, spending over £100mill (bale+) but it hasn't worked, they cant spend the same this summer so will have to try for a big name manager, just shows what a player like bale or suarez can do for a team. spuds have conceded the same as us but scored less giving them a 0 goal difference. do you like watching teams scramble around looking like headless chickens with players not knowing what they or their team mates are supposed to be doing? yes they beat us but we gave them the game, had lalla scored when through on the keeper (it was a good save) we would have gone 3-0 up and their heads would have dropped.
you don't have to like our style of football, I really do, but you cant then say that you like other teams who play a very, very similar system.
The difference is this, none of those clubs push up as high as we do and all three use wingers at some time in the game. They are not so narrow as us because they have players such as Sterling, Townsend and McGeady who are out and out wingers who operate on both flanks.

We don't have any wingers, the last one was Puncheon who we sold to Palace. For me we are too predictable and not entertaining enough for my liking. If we could bring in the whole of the Barcelona team I still wouldn't want to watch us play with a carousel in midfield. There is too much emphasis on possession for me. Everton Liverpool and Spurs are far more entertaining to watch and that is the style of football I like.

But I know lots of people will disagree and are happy with improved results and are not worried about wingers. Good luck to them that is their right.

STID COYR
I suggest that you watch Liverpool again. they press right up on the opposition as they did to us! and sterling is used behind the front 2 and can go anywhere across the pitch, not as an out and out winger, much like lalla has played for us. Johnson and Flanagan provide their main width, like clyne/chambers and shaw do for us.
Liverpool differ from us because they play with 2 main strikers with sterling or coutinho in behind, bursting through the middle or able to go wide. whilst we play with 1 up front then j-rod out wide left, S. davis covers the right leaving lalla in behind the main striker (srl) and able to go anywhere across the pitch. both teams though press high, in fact Liverpool have been pushing further up as the season has progressed.
as I said Liverpool don't have out and out wingers nor do everton.
evertons formation is very similar to ours, lukaku for SRL, barkley for lalla, pienaar and mirallas filling the S. Davis and J-rod rolls. evertons width comes from their full backs, baines and coleman and McCarthy and barry are the defensive midfielders.
I`m not picking a fight with you George, just trying to point out that all three of the clubs play a very similar style and whilst we may have been the first to push higher up the pitch both the scouse teams are doing it more and more.
as I said spuds may play with townsend or lennon, but not at the same time. they started the season with a 4-4-2 formation but since Sherwood has taken over they play mostly with one up front and then he just fits in the expensive players wherever he can. using the 4-4-2 they were getting hopelessly outnumbered in midfield and they looked really bad. they don't look much better now but at least their midfield is standing up for itself more.
not many top flight clubs use wingers anymore and prefer to use full backs as wide men.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: With a bit of luck MoPo will decide that his future lies somewhere other than Southampton As much as I have enjoyed a lot of the games his coaching tends to be one dimensional and he has probably taken us as far as he can Plenty of coaches in this world who can come in and take us further[/p][/quote]I didn't re-new my season ticket this year because I don't like the way we play. I am not a fan of Spanish press the ball, high possession rate tactics. I prefer to watch teams who play like Liverpool or Everton and Tottenham at their best. By doing that I have downgraded myself from supporter to fan. I will however, never follow any other club other than Saints. I am without any doubt STID. But I don't agree with what you say about MOPO. He has taken us to a very respectable position in the league, our best ever I believe in the PL. What is frustrating is the number of times we have been in winning positions and thrown the points away. Something like 33 points I believe. This however can be improved upon next season with the acquisition of better players. A quicker central defender for instance and by the elimination, as much as possible of individual errors by players in the penalty area. This will I think enable us to climb the league. So despite the fact I don't like the brand of football MOPO delivers I do like the results. And I do believe that continued success for provincial clubs like ours will only come if we have continuity in the management team. I do believe he can move us onwards and upwards, its just if he doesn't employ a more multi-dimensional style of play I won't be there to witness it. But I will be pleased to look at the league table. I hope he stays, good luck to him. I think we need him. STID COYR[/p][/quote]George, how can you say that you don't like our style of football, the high press game, and then say that you prefer to watch teams like Liverpool and Everton (will get to spuds in a sec), Liverpool play the same style as us, pressing high whilst having two holding midfielders and the width coming from the full backs. the only reason that Liverpool win more than us is because they have suarez up front, with other good quality players. Liverpool concede a lot of goals, like we do, using this system 39 to our 40! they just score more. Everton have a Spanish manager, Roberto Martinez, who plays a similar pass and move high press game, which he started at Swansea and brendon rogers followed on from and then took to Liverpool. so both Liverpool and Everton`s managers have managed Swansea and both play the pass/move pressing game. so tell me, how can you think that both teams play differently to us? back to spuds, does anyone know what system they are playing? I don't even think Tim Sherwood has much of a clue as he constantly changes shape and players positions during games, he has to react to how other teams play as whatever system he starts with is usually wrong, spuds win and loss percentages are both worse than they were under AVB, if Sherwood hadn't got Adebayor playing in his first few games (which is all adebayor usually does well in) his record would have been a lot worse. Sherwood will be sacked in the summer and spuds will go for a big name manager, they have tried to buy their way into the champions league, spending over £100mill (bale+) but it hasn't worked, they cant spend the same this summer so will have to try for a big name manager, just shows what a player like bale or suarez can do for a team. spuds have conceded the same as us but scored less giving them a 0 goal difference. do you like watching teams scramble around looking like headless chickens with players not knowing what they or their team mates are supposed to be doing? yes they beat us but we gave them the game, had lalla scored when through on the keeper (it was a good save) we would have gone 3-0 up and their heads would have dropped. you don't have to like our style of football, I really do, but you cant then say that you like other teams who play a very, very similar system.[/p][/quote]The difference is this, none of those clubs push up as high as we do and all three use wingers at some time in the game. They are not so narrow as us because they have players such as Sterling, Townsend and McGeady who are out and out wingers who operate on both flanks. We don't have any wingers, the last one was Puncheon who we sold to Palace. For me we are too predictable and not entertaining enough for my liking. If we could bring in the whole of the Barcelona team I still wouldn't want to watch us play with a carousel in midfield. There is too much emphasis on possession for me. Everton Liverpool and Spurs are far more entertaining to watch and that is the style of football I like. But I know lots of people will disagree and are happy with improved results and are not worried about wingers. Good luck to them that is their right. STID COYR[/p][/quote]I suggest that you watch Liverpool again. they press right up on the opposition as they did to us! and sterling is used behind the front 2 and can go anywhere across the pitch, not as an out and out winger, much like lalla has played for us. Johnson and Flanagan provide their main width, like clyne/chambers and shaw do for us. Liverpool differ from us because they play with 2 main strikers with sterling or coutinho in behind, bursting through the middle or able to go wide. whilst we play with 1 up front then j-rod out wide left, S. davis covers the right leaving lalla in behind the main striker (srl) and able to go anywhere across the pitch. both teams though press high, in fact Liverpool have been pushing further up as the season has progressed. as I said Liverpool don't have out and out wingers nor do everton. evertons formation is very similar to ours, lukaku for SRL, barkley for lalla, pienaar and mirallas filling the S. Davis and J-rod rolls. evertons width comes from their full backs, baines and coleman and McCarthy and barry are the defensive midfielders. I`m not picking a fight with you George, just trying to point out that all three of the clubs play a very similar style and whilst we may have been the first to push higher up the pitch both the scouse teams are doing it more and more. as I said spuds may play with townsend or lennon, but not at the same time. they started the season with a 4-4-2 formation but since Sherwood has taken over they play mostly with one up front and then he just fits in the expensive players wherever he can. using the 4-4-2 they were getting hopelessly outnumbered in midfield and they looked really bad. they don't look much better now but at least their midfield is standing up for itself more. not many top flight clubs use wingers anymore and prefer to use full backs as wide men. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 0

8:26pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Velleity says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Velleity wrote:
jrod11 wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Velleity wrote:
jrod11 wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Little Hitler wrote:
All sounds very sensible to me, it's called The Southampton Way and is based on sound logic.

Meanwhile, at the smelly end of the M27, the new manager will be chosen based entirely on their eBay feedback score. I'm a 100%er myself but it didn't interest me.
Yeah. One of their board members was interviewed on SKY and said they had to take this decision as they didn't want to be seen to be panicking. LMFAO. 7 games to go and sacking your manager and replacing him with the academy manager when they have a cr@p academy insn't panicking? Come on Newport.
Well said Dick.
Is it just me or does jrod11 remind anyone else of Kent141? Definitely the same style of post and general quiet undermining.
Thought exactly the same, Velleity, and like Kuntyboy, the best thing is to treat him with the insignificance he so richly deserves.
he does like CD though doesn't he. dick did you upset him in the past? you might have a stalker on your hands!
Yeah. I upset him by disagreeing with him over a completely insignificant matter and he wouldn't.have it. I thought he was a previous poster who always knew it all and had to have the last word even when he was clearly talking sh1t. I just couldn't remember his sign on. I'm now proud to say that I am his favourite poster and I have him trained to respond with inane cr@p every time I post. So I'm just ignoring and having a chuckle and hoping he has an even more enjoyable time when he gets to watch some Conference footie next season.
Well said Dick.. I think a lot of us will enjoy watching Eastleigh when our fixtures dont clash .
Clever Dick, you were right; he's like a well-trained dog. Nice to have a faithful pet that responds to your every word.

I have one in ghk but he's not quite as reliable.
And something notable is that if ever I post on a thread where ghk posts, I end up with the most astounding umber of thumbs down you can imagine - way out of any range reasonably possible, because he signs on several times to thumbs down my posts. He's done it above, just because I mentioned him.

I was wrong, he's not a dog, more of a performing seal.
You wish Valerie... Only 1 thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about. Truth is you'd rather be an old busy body like a fish wife gossiping over a fence than talk about football... Could it be because what you know football wise can be written on the back of a stamp with a thick marker pen;-) the sky hasn't fallen yet r val!!!
Wahey! He's back.

Woof, woof!
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jrod11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jrod11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: All sounds very sensible to me, it's called The Southampton Way and is based on sound logic. Meanwhile, at the smelly end of the M27, the new manager will be chosen based entirely on their eBay feedback score. I'm a 100%er myself but it didn't interest me.[/p][/quote]Yeah. One of their board members was interviewed on SKY and said they had to take this decision as they didn't want to be seen to be panicking. LMFAO. 7 games to go and sacking your manager and replacing him with the academy manager when they have a cr@p academy insn't panicking? Come on Newport.[/p][/quote]Well said Dick.[/p][/quote]Is it just me or does jrod11 remind anyone else of Kent141? Definitely the same style of post and general quiet undermining.[/p][/quote]Thought exactly the same, Velleity, and like Kuntyboy, the best thing is to treat him with the insignificance he so richly deserves.[/p][/quote]he does like CD though doesn't he. dick did you upset him in the past? you might have a stalker on your hands![/p][/quote]Yeah. I upset him by disagreeing with him over a completely insignificant matter and he wouldn't.have it. I thought he was a previous poster who always knew it all and had to have the last word even when he was clearly talking sh1t. I just couldn't remember his sign on. I'm now proud to say that I am his favourite poster and I have him trained to respond with inane cr@p every time I post. So I'm just ignoring and having a chuckle and hoping he has an even more enjoyable time when he gets to watch some Conference footie next season.[/p][/quote]Well said Dick.. I think a lot of us will enjoy watching Eastleigh when our fixtures dont clash .[/p][/quote]Clever Dick, you were right; he's like a well-trained dog. Nice to have a faithful pet that responds to your every word. I have one in ghk but he's not quite as reliable.[/p][/quote]And something notable is that if ever I post on a thread where ghk posts, I end up with the most astounding umber of thumbs down you can imagine - way out of any range reasonably possible, because he signs on several times to thumbs down my posts. He's done it above, just because I mentioned him. I was wrong, he's not a dog, more of a performing seal.[/p][/quote]You wish Valerie... Only 1 thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about. Truth is you'd rather be an old busy body like a fish wife gossiping over a fence than talk about football... Could it be because what you know football wise can be written on the back of a stamp with a thick marker pen;-) the sky hasn't fallen yet r val!!![/p][/quote]Wahey! He's back. Woof, woof! Velleity
  • Score: -12

8:37pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Velleity says...

Minus five in ten minutes on an old thread... You're amazing, ghk. Well done on being so bothered as to do that.

Woof, woof.
Minus five in ten minutes on an old thread... You're amazing, ghk. Well done on being so bothered as to do that. Woof, woof. Velleity
  • Score: -10

9:12pm Fri 28 Mar 14

ghk230473 says...

Velleity wrote:
Minus five in ten minutes on an old thread... You're amazing, ghk. Well done on being so bothered as to do that.

Woof, woof.
Multiple log ins u do wish there.... I'm laughing my head off here because I know the truth which is I'm not the only 1 that thinks you're a c11nt!
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: Minus five in ten minutes on an old thread... You're amazing, ghk. Well done on being so bothered as to do that. Woof, woof.[/p][/quote]Multiple log ins u do wish there.... I'm laughing my head off here because I know the truth which is I'm not the only 1 that thinks you're a c11nt! ghk230473
  • Score: 3

9:15pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Velleity says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Minus five in ten minutes on an old thread... You're amazing, ghk. Well done on being so bothered as to do that.

Woof, woof.
Multiple log ins u do wish there.... I'm laughing my head off here because I know the truth which is I'm not the only 1 that thinks you're a c11nt!
I guess that's why it only happens on threads where you're posting as well.

Keep barking little doggie.
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: Minus five in ten minutes on an old thread... You're amazing, ghk. Well done on being so bothered as to do that. Woof, woof.[/p][/quote]Multiple log ins u do wish there.... I'm laughing my head off here because I know the truth which is I'm not the only 1 that thinks you're a c11nt![/p][/quote]I guess that's why it only happens on threads where you're posting as well. Keep barking little doggie. Velleity
  • Score: -7

9:21pm Fri 28 Mar 14

ghk230473 says...

Velleity wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Minus five in ten minutes on an old thread... You're amazing, ghk. Well done on being so bothered as to do that.

Woof, woof.
Multiple log ins u do wish there.... I'm laughing my head off here because I know the truth which is I'm not the only 1 that thinks you're a c11nt!
I guess that's why it only happens on threads where you're posting as well.

Keep barking little doggie.
Lmfao.....
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: Minus five in ten minutes on an old thread... You're amazing, ghk. Well done on being so bothered as to do that. Woof, woof.[/p][/quote]Multiple log ins u do wish there.... I'm laughing my head off here because I know the truth which is I'm not the only 1 that thinks you're a c11nt![/p][/quote]I guess that's why it only happens on threads where you're posting as well. Keep barking little doggie.[/p][/quote]Lmfao..... ghk230473
  • Score: 5

9:22pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
why does everyone think MP will go if the clubs new `vision` isn't the same as the old? did he quit espanyol when after he joined they started to sell off their best players to stop them going bust? no he stuck to his job and kept bringing the youth through.
I`m not saying he is going to stay if the board tell him they want to sell all of our best players (which they wont), but they might want to sell a player or two and being a manager MP will realise that players do get sold. what I think it comes down to is that MP wants to have a say in what players are sold, and if he really wants to keep a player he will want the club to accept that. he isn't stupid and will realise that the lure of the `big` clubs will be hard for some players to resist. there is also the subject of the transfer budget to work out. MP has this season to finish first and every comment that comes out of the club says that he is at the training ground early and doesn't leave until late, perhaps he feels there is more time to sit down and talk properly with the board after the season has finished, makes more sense to me.

if MP does decide to leave I will wish him all the best, but I don't think for 1 minute that it will lead to a mass exodus of our best players, why would it? did all the players leave when adkins left? did manure lose their best players when AF retired? I don't think I have ever seen an exodus of players when a popular manager leaves a club. player departures will be down to the board not MP.
there are plenty of top quality managers who would love to come here with all our facilities? really who? again though if he did leave, the club see the managers role as just a cog in the `Southampton way`, and they have said before that they would only replace with a similar `cog`. so saying that this or that manager is the answer is only right if he would fit in with our philosophy.
that being said, hurray up and sign MP and put us all out of our misery.
I can't agree with this 'sell a player or two' argument. Ok, it seems reasonable on face value but it misses out on one massive factor. NC persuaded MoPo and some of the players to come here based on the clubs aims and aspirations - it's vision. Other players like Luke and Adam were persuaded to sign new contracts based on the same vision and the wages of course. They want the money but they also want the on pitch success to enable them to have a career to be proud to look back on - sat on their Sunseekers when they're over 40... :o)

If we sell a couple of them then the statement made to the manager and the remaining players - and indeed the ones we are trying to court - is that we have dropped our previous vision of competing at the highest level. If we do that we will lose all of the top quality players over a season or two and end up with a loyal squad who fight to remain in the Prem year after year. The likes of Kelvin, Fonte, Yoshida, Hoover, Rickie, Davis etc. It will effectively be a return to the Lowe years with a team of half decent players made good by one loyal star Matt (Adam). Even Beattie felt he could play at a higher level than Saints ffs! We've moved on from that period and need to keep progressing albeit at a sensible pace.
I know you are grieving for NC and I can fully understand that. But he has gone and that has to be accepted.

Personally I would like to keep all of the good players and build on that base but I don't think that is realistic. The World Cup will ensure we will lose some and who can blame them for going. The temptation of more money and an upgrade in the level of football they play will always outstrip a vision sold to them by a man who is no longer with the club.

I don't think there are any of our players who believe they could win the champions league playing for Southampton. Or many of the supporters. The Supporters may dream about it but when they wake up the truth soon hits them.
Just because a CEO leaves a business it doesn't mean that business has to go backwards. In fact most business look to bring in a CEO to take them to a higher level than the last one did - it's really simple business look at the FOOTSIE - and you keep saying SFC is only a business, fine, then behave like a business.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: why does everyone think MP will go if the clubs new `vision` isn't the same as the old? did he quit espanyol when after he joined they started to sell off their best players to stop them going bust? no he stuck to his job and kept bringing the youth through. I`m not saying he is going to stay if the board tell him they want to sell all of our best players (which they wont), but they might want to sell a player or two and being a manager MP will realise that players do get sold. what I think it comes down to is that MP wants to have a say in what players are sold, and if he really wants to keep a player he will want the club to accept that. he isn't stupid and will realise that the lure of the `big` clubs will be hard for some players to resist. there is also the subject of the transfer budget to work out. MP has this season to finish first and every comment that comes out of the club says that he is at the training ground early and doesn't leave until late, perhaps he feels there is more time to sit down and talk properly with the board after the season has finished, makes more sense to me. if MP does decide to leave I will wish him all the best, but I don't think for 1 minute that it will lead to a mass exodus of our best players, why would it? did all the players leave when adkins left? did manure lose their best players when AF retired? I don't think I have ever seen an exodus of players when a popular manager leaves a club. player departures will be down to the board not MP. there are plenty of top quality managers who would love to come here with all our facilities? really who? again though if he did leave, the club see the managers role as just a cog in the `Southampton way`, and they have said before that they would only replace with a similar `cog`. so saying that this or that manager is the answer is only right if he would fit in with our philosophy. that being said, hurray up and sign MP and put us all out of our misery.[/p][/quote]I can't agree with this 'sell a player or two' argument. Ok, it seems reasonable on face value but it misses out on one massive factor. NC persuaded MoPo and some of the players to come here based on the clubs aims and aspirations - it's vision. Other players like Luke and Adam were persuaded to sign new contracts based on the same vision and the wages of course. They want the money but they also want the on pitch success to enable them to have a career to be proud to look back on - sat on their Sunseekers when they're over 40... :o) If we sell a couple of them then the statement made to the manager and the remaining players - and indeed the ones we are trying to court - is that we have dropped our previous vision of competing at the highest level. If we do that we will lose all of the top quality players over a season or two and end up with a loyal squad who fight to remain in the Prem year after year. The likes of Kelvin, Fonte, Yoshida, Hoover, Rickie, Davis etc. It will effectively be a return to the Lowe years with a team of half decent players made good by one loyal star Matt (Adam). Even Beattie felt he could play at a higher level than Saints ffs! We've moved on from that period and need to keep progressing albeit at a sensible pace.[/p][/quote]I know you are grieving for NC and I can fully understand that. But he has gone and that has to be accepted. Personally I would like to keep all of the good players and build on that base but I don't think that is realistic. The World Cup will ensure we will lose some and who can blame them for going. The temptation of more money and an upgrade in the level of football they play will always outstrip a vision sold to them by a man who is no longer with the club. I don't think there are any of our players who believe they could win the champions league playing for Southampton. Or many of the supporters. The Supporters may dream about it but when they wake up the truth soon hits them.[/p][/quote]Just because a CEO leaves a business it doesn't mean that business has to go backwards. In fact most business look to bring in a CEO to take them to a higher level than the last one did - it's really simple business look at the FOOTSIE - and you keep saying SFC is only a business, fine, then behave like a business. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 0

9:30pm Fri 28 Mar 14

jrod11 says...

There really is nothing funnier than watching someone having conversations with themselves day after day after day....
There really is nothing funnier than watching someone having conversations with themselves day after day after day.... jrod11
  • Score: 0

9:50pm Fri 28 Mar 14

jrod11 says...

after day....
after day.... jrod11
  • Score: 2

10:17pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Baddesley Bill says...

jrod11 wrote:
after day....
Give it a rest. Cheers.
[quote][p][bold]jrod11[/bold] wrote: after day....[/p][/quote]Give it a rest. Cheers. Baddesley Bill
  • Score: 0

10:50pm Fri 28 Mar 14

george chivers says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
why does everyone think MP will go if the clubs new `vision` isn't the same as the old? did he quit espanyol when after he joined they started to sell off their best players to stop them going bust? no he stuck to his job and kept bringing the youth through.
I`m not saying he is going to stay if the board tell him they want to sell all of our best players (which they wont), but they might want to sell a player or two and being a manager MP will realise that players do get sold. what I think it comes down to is that MP wants to have a say in what players are sold, and if he really wants to keep a player he will want the club to accept that. he isn't stupid and will realise that the lure of the `big` clubs will be hard for some players to resist. there is also the subject of the transfer budget to work out. MP has this season to finish first and every comment that comes out of the club says that he is at the training ground early and doesn't leave until late, perhaps he feels there is more time to sit down and talk properly with the board after the season has finished, makes more sense to me.

if MP does decide to leave I will wish him all the best, but I don't think for 1 minute that it will lead to a mass exodus of our best players, why would it? did all the players leave when adkins left? did manure lose their best players when AF retired? I don't think I have ever seen an exodus of players when a popular manager leaves a club. player departures will be down to the board not MP.
there are plenty of top quality managers who would love to come here with all our facilities? really who? again though if he did leave, the club see the managers role as just a cog in the `Southampton way`, and they have said before that they would only replace with a similar `cog`. so saying that this or that manager is the answer is only right if he would fit in with our philosophy.
that being said, hurray up and sign MP and put us all out of our misery.
I can't agree with this 'sell a player or two' argument. Ok, it seems reasonable on face value but it misses out on one massive factor. NC persuaded MoPo and some of the players to come here based on the clubs aims and aspirations - it's vision. Other players like Luke and Adam were persuaded to sign new contracts based on the same vision and the wages of course. They want the money but they also want the on pitch success to enable them to have a career to be proud to look back on - sat on their Sunseekers when they're over 40... :o)

If we sell a couple of them then the statement made to the manager and the remaining players - and indeed the ones we are trying to court - is that we have dropped our previous vision of competing at the highest level. If we do that we will lose all of the top quality players over a season or two and end up with a loyal squad who fight to remain in the Prem year after year. The likes of Kelvin, Fonte, Yoshida, Hoover, Rickie, Davis etc. It will effectively be a return to the Lowe years with a team of half decent players made good by one loyal star Matt (Adam). Even Beattie felt he could play at a higher level than Saints ffs! We've moved on from that period and need to keep progressing albeit at a sensible pace.
I know you are grieving for NC and I can fully understand that. But he has gone and that has to be accepted.

Personally I would like to keep all of the good players and build on that base but I don't think that is realistic. The World Cup will ensure we will lose some and who can blame them for going. The temptation of more money and an upgrade in the level of football they play will always outstrip a vision sold to them by a man who is no longer with the club.

I don't think there are any of our players who believe they could win the champions league playing for Southampton. Or many of the supporters. The Supporters may dream about it but when they wake up the truth soon hits them.
Just because a CEO leaves a business it doesn't mean that business has to go backwards. In fact most business look to bring in a CEO to take them to a higher level than the last one did - it's really simple business look at the FOOTSIE - and you keep saying SFC is only a business, fine, then behave like a business.
I didn't say the business had to go backwards. What I am saying is the new CEO will probably have a new vision and that vision will be different to NC's vision.
To raise Saints up a level in business terms is not going happen quickly because to achieve that you have find a lot of new customers from somewhere. How is that going to happen? 10,000 on the ground capacity ready for next season. Enormous sales of shirts in North America? Sponsorship? Maybe those things can happen in 3 to 5 years but not instantly. Then you have the problem of escalating wages as players improve or we sign new ones. No matter who the CEO is he doesn't have a magic wand.

Unfortunately some of our good players will leave us in the next 2-3 years, sadly that is inevitable.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: why does everyone think MP will go if the clubs new `vision` isn't the same as the old? did he quit espanyol when after he joined they started to sell off their best players to stop them going bust? no he stuck to his job and kept bringing the youth through. I`m not saying he is going to stay if the board tell him they want to sell all of our best players (which they wont), but they might want to sell a player or two and being a manager MP will realise that players do get sold. what I think it comes down to is that MP wants to have a say in what players are sold, and if he really wants to keep a player he will want the club to accept that. he isn't stupid and will realise that the lure of the `big` clubs will be hard for some players to resist. there is also the subject of the transfer budget to work out. MP has this season to finish first and every comment that comes out of the club says that he is at the training ground early and doesn't leave until late, perhaps he feels there is more time to sit down and talk properly with the board after the season has finished, makes more sense to me. if MP does decide to leave I will wish him all the best, but I don't think for 1 minute that it will lead to a mass exodus of our best players, why would it? did all the players leave when adkins left? did manure lose their best players when AF retired? I don't think I have ever seen an exodus of players when a popular manager leaves a club. player departures will be down to the board not MP. there are plenty of top quality managers who would love to come here with all our facilities? really who? again though if he did leave, the club see the managers role as just a cog in the `Southampton way`, and they have said before that they would only replace with a similar `cog`. so saying that this or that manager is the answer is only right if he would fit in with our philosophy. that being said, hurray up and sign MP and put us all out of our misery.[/p][/quote]I can't agree with this 'sell a player or two' argument. Ok, it seems reasonable on face value but it misses out on one massive factor. NC persuaded MoPo and some of the players to come here based on the clubs aims and aspirations - it's vision. Other players like Luke and Adam were persuaded to sign new contracts based on the same vision and the wages of course. They want the money but they also want the on pitch success to enable them to have a career to be proud to look back on - sat on their Sunseekers when they're over 40... :o) If we sell a couple of them then the statement made to the manager and the remaining players - and indeed the ones we are trying to court - is that we have dropped our previous vision of competing at the highest level. If we do that we will lose all of the top quality players over a season or two and end up with a loyal squad who fight to remain in the Prem year after year. The likes of Kelvin, Fonte, Yoshida, Hoover, Rickie, Davis etc. It will effectively be a return to the Lowe years with a team of half decent players made good by one loyal star Matt (Adam). Even Beattie felt he could play at a higher level than Saints ffs! We've moved on from that period and need to keep progressing albeit at a sensible pace.[/p][/quote]I know you are grieving for NC and I can fully understand that. But he has gone and that has to be accepted. Personally I would like to keep all of the good players and build on that base but I don't think that is realistic. The World Cup will ensure we will lose some and who can blame them for going. The temptation of more money and an upgrade in the level of football they play will always outstrip a vision sold to them by a man who is no longer with the club. I don't think there are any of our players who believe they could win the champions league playing for Southampton. Or many of the supporters. The Supporters may dream about it but when they wake up the truth soon hits them.[/p][/quote]Just because a CEO leaves a business it doesn't mean that business has to go backwards. In fact most business look to bring in a CEO to take them to a higher level than the last one did - it's really simple business look at the FOOTSIE - and you keep saying SFC is only a business, fine, then behave like a business.[/p][/quote]I didn't say the business had to go backwards. What I am saying is the new CEO will probably have a new vision and that vision will be different to NC's vision. To raise Saints up a level in business terms is not going happen quickly because to achieve that you have find a lot of new customers from somewhere. How is that going to happen? 10,000 on the ground capacity ready for next season. Enormous sales of shirts in North America? Sponsorship? Maybe those things can happen in 3 to 5 years but not instantly. Then you have the problem of escalating wages as players improve or we sign new ones. No matter who the CEO is he doesn't have a magic wand. Unfortunately some of our good players will leave us in the next 2-3 years, sadly that is inevitable. george chivers
  • Score: 3

4:33am Sat 29 Mar 14

Galapagos Saint says...

Perhaps we could swap the Falklands for the Poch
Perhaps we could swap the Falklands for the Poch Galapagos Saint
  • Score: 0

6:29am Sat 29 Mar 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
why does everyone think MP will go if the clubs new `vision` isn't the same as the old? did he quit espanyol when after he joined they started to sell off their best players to stop them going bust? no he stuck to his job and kept bringing the youth through.
I`m not saying he is going to stay if the board tell him they want to sell all of our best players (which they wont), but they might want to sell a player or two and being a manager MP will realise that players do get sold. what I think it comes down to is that MP wants to have a say in what players are sold, and if he really wants to keep a player he will want the club to accept that. he isn't stupid and will realise that the lure of the `big` clubs will be hard for some players to resist. there is also the subject of the transfer budget to work out. MP has this season to finish first and every comment that comes out of the club says that he is at the training ground early and doesn't leave until late, perhaps he feels there is more time to sit down and talk properly with the board after the season has finished, makes more sense to me.

if MP does decide to leave I will wish him all the best, but I don't think for 1 minute that it will lead to a mass exodus of our best players, why would it? did all the players leave when adkins left? did manure lose their best players when AF retired? I don't think I have ever seen an exodus of players when a popular manager leaves a club. player departures will be down to the board not MP.
there are plenty of top quality managers who would love to come here with all our facilities? really who? again though if he did leave, the club see the managers role as just a cog in the `Southampton way`, and they have said before that they would only replace with a similar `cog`. so saying that this or that manager is the answer is only right if he would fit in with our philosophy.
that being said, hurray up and sign MP and put us all out of our misery.
I can't agree with this 'sell a player or two' argument. Ok, it seems reasonable on face value but it misses out on one massive factor. NC persuaded MoPo and some of the players to come here based on the clubs aims and aspirations - it's vision. Other players like Luke and Adam were persuaded to sign new contracts based on the same vision and the wages of course. They want the money but they also want the on pitch success to enable them to have a career to be proud to look back on - sat on their Sunseekers when they're over 40... :o)

If we sell a couple of them then the statement made to the manager and the remaining players - and indeed the ones we are trying to court - is that we have dropped our previous vision of competing at the highest level. If we do that we will lose all of the top quality players over a season or two and end up with a loyal squad who fight to remain in the Prem year after year. The likes of Kelvin, Fonte, Yoshida, Hoover, Rickie, Davis etc. It will effectively be a return to the Lowe years with a team of half decent players made good by one loyal star Matt (Adam). Even Beattie felt he could play at a higher level than Saints ffs! We've moved on from that period and need to keep progressing albeit at a sensible pace.
I know you are grieving for NC and I can fully understand that. But he has gone and that has to be accepted.

Personally I would like to keep all of the good players and build on that base but I don't think that is realistic. The World Cup will ensure we will lose some and who can blame them for going. The temptation of more money and an upgrade in the level of football they play will always outstrip a vision sold to them by a man who is no longer with the club.

I don't think there are any of our players who believe they could win the champions league playing for Southampton. Or many of the supporters. The Supporters may dream about it but when they wake up the truth soon hits them.
Just because a CEO leaves a business it doesn't mean that business has to go backwards. In fact most business look to bring in a CEO to take them to a higher level than the last one did - it's really simple business look at the FOOTSIE - and you keep saying SFC is only a business, fine, then behave like a business.
I didn't say the business had to go backwards. What I am saying is the new CEO will probably have a new vision and that vision will be different to NC's vision.
To raise Saints up a level in business terms is not going happen quickly because to achieve that you have find a lot of new customers from somewhere. How is that going to happen? 10,000 on the ground capacity ready for next season. Enormous sales of shirts in North America? Sponsorship? Maybe those things can happen in 3 to 5 years but not instantly. Then you have the problem of escalating wages as players improve or we sign new ones. No matter who the CEO is he doesn't have a magic wand.

Unfortunately some of our good players will leave us in the next 2-3 years, sadly that is inevitable.
You say the business doesn't have to go backwards and then proceed to set out a dumbed down business plan from the previous one. The vision, at least as I understood it, was to push for top four and Champions League qualification by not selling any of our young stars and by making the necessary purchases season on season. To seek to expand our ground capacity either at SMS or elsewhere.

You talk of shirt sales and top sponsorship. Those things come after success not before! You have to speculate to accumulate. Liverpool became an 'international brand' after Shankley and Paisley achieved so much on field success. Same with Manure and more recently Chelsea and City. You don't achieve it because of a good marketing campaign!
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: why does everyone think MP will go if the clubs new `vision` isn't the same as the old? did he quit espanyol when after he joined they started to sell off their best players to stop them going bust? no he stuck to his job and kept bringing the youth through. I`m not saying he is going to stay if the board tell him they want to sell all of our best players (which they wont), but they might want to sell a player or two and being a manager MP will realise that players do get sold. what I think it comes down to is that MP wants to have a say in what players are sold, and if he really wants to keep a player he will want the club to accept that. he isn't stupid and will realise that the lure of the `big` clubs will be hard for some players to resist. there is also the subject of the transfer budget to work out. MP has this season to finish first and every comment that comes out of the club says that he is at the training ground early and doesn't leave until late, perhaps he feels there is more time to sit down and talk properly with the board after the season has finished, makes more sense to me. if MP does decide to leave I will wish him all the best, but I don't think for 1 minute that it will lead to a mass exodus of our best players, why would it? did all the players leave when adkins left? did manure lose their best players when AF retired? I don't think I have ever seen an exodus of players when a popular manager leaves a club. player departures will be down to the board not MP. there are plenty of top quality managers who would love to come here with all our facilities? really who? again though if he did leave, the club see the managers role as just a cog in the `Southampton way`, and they have said before that they would only replace with a similar `cog`. so saying that this or that manager is the answer is only right if he would fit in with our philosophy. that being said, hurray up and sign MP and put us all out of our misery.[/p][/quote]I can't agree with this 'sell a player or two' argument. Ok, it seems reasonable on face value but it misses out on one massive factor. NC persuaded MoPo and some of the players to come here based on the clubs aims and aspirations - it's vision. Other players like Luke and Adam were persuaded to sign new contracts based on the same vision and the wages of course. They want the money but they also want the on pitch success to enable them to have a career to be proud to look back on - sat on their Sunseekers when they're over 40... :o) If we sell a couple of them then the statement made to the manager and the remaining players - and indeed the ones we are trying to court - is that we have dropped our previous vision of competing at the highest level. If we do that we will lose all of the top quality players over a season or two and end up with a loyal squad who fight to remain in the Prem year after year. The likes of Kelvin, Fonte, Yoshida, Hoover, Rickie, Davis etc. It will effectively be a return to the Lowe years with a team of half decent players made good by one loyal star Matt (Adam). Even Beattie felt he could play at a higher level than Saints ffs! We've moved on from that period and need to keep progressing albeit at a sensible pace.[/p][/quote]I know you are grieving for NC and I can fully understand that. But he has gone and that has to be accepted. Personally I would like to keep all of the good players and build on that base but I don't think that is realistic. The World Cup will ensure we will lose some and who can blame them for going. The temptation of more money and an upgrade in the level of football they play will always outstrip a vision sold to them by a man who is no longer with the club. I don't think there are any of our players who believe they could win the champions league playing for Southampton. Or many of the supporters. The Supporters may dream about it but when they wake up the truth soon hits them.[/p][/quote]Just because a CEO leaves a business it doesn't mean that business has to go backwards. In fact most business look to bring in a CEO to take them to a higher level than the last one did - it's really simple business look at the FOOTSIE - and you keep saying SFC is only a business, fine, then behave like a business.[/p][/quote]I didn't say the business had to go backwards. What I am saying is the new CEO will probably have a new vision and that vision will be different to NC's vision. To raise Saints up a level in business terms is not going happen quickly because to achieve that you have find a lot of new customers from somewhere. How is that going to happen? 10,000 on the ground capacity ready for next season. Enormous sales of shirts in North America? Sponsorship? Maybe those things can happen in 3 to 5 years but not instantly. Then you have the problem of escalating wages as players improve or we sign new ones. No matter who the CEO is he doesn't have a magic wand. Unfortunately some of our good players will leave us in the next 2-3 years, sadly that is inevitable.[/p][/quote]You say the business doesn't have to go backwards and then proceed to set out a dumbed down business plan from the previous one. The vision, at least as I understood it, was to push for top four and Champions League qualification by not selling any of our young stars and by making the necessary purchases season on season. To seek to expand our ground capacity either at SMS or elsewhere. You talk of shirt sales and top sponsorship. Those things come after success not before! You have to speculate to accumulate. Liverpool became an 'international brand' after Shankley and Paisley achieved so much on field success. Same with Manure and more recently Chelsea and City. You don't achieve it because of a good marketing campaign! Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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