Pochettino: We need to improve

MAURICIO POCHETTINO

MAURICIO POCHETTINO

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MAURICIO Pochettino confessed some of the goals Saints conceded at Tottenham yesterday were “difficult to accept.”

Although Pochettino was frustrated with referee Anthony Taylor, he did concede that Saints were not without blame.

Defenders Nathaniel Clyne and Dejan Lovren made errors that led to each of Tottenham’s first two goals.

“It’s clear that we made some mistakes that are actually quite difficult to accept that we made them,” said the manager.

“It’s clear that we need to improve, especially individually, and that’s part of football.

“We always need to, and want to, improve.”

Pochettino, whose side have conceded 11 goals in their last five games, added: “All managers are worried and concerned when you lose. “Of course we’re disappointed and of course we’re worried about that and concerned about it.”

Saints started the season in superb defensive form, only conceding five times in their first 11 games.

But yesterday’s result means they have since let in 35 in their last 20 outings.

Saints have now conceded more goals this season than relegation-haunted Crystal Palace, while none of the sides above them in the table have conceded more than they have.

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Saints had certainly started the game at Tottenham in superb fashion and looked to be heading towards a comfortable victory.

However, once Tottenham got back into the match, they soon began to dominate, and put Pochettino’s side under a lot of pressure during the second half.

Overall, though, the Saints boss felt it was cruel on his side to have come away with nothing.

“We had a very good game overall,” he said. “We were up 2-0, we were controlling it, especially in the first half.

“We deserved more, but there were some refereeing decisions that did not go our way today.

“Despite that, we did very well against a very good Tottenham side.”

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8:33am Mon 24 Mar 14

Lazy says...

NO **** SHERLOCK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NO **** SHERLOCK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lazy
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9:40am Mon 24 Mar 14

montecristosaint says...

Im sorrybut we really need another centre half to compete with Fonte and Lovren. And a central striker.
Im sorrybut we really need another centre half to compete with Fonte and Lovren. And a central striker. montecristosaint
  • Score: 19

10:34am Mon 24 Mar 14

John Gillham says...

There were defensive mistakes, lots of them, but maybe we lost midfield in the second half and this put extra pressure on the defence. We ave away far too much possesion. They were pressing high like we usually do. We missed Morgan today. He would have made the difference, also Wanyama wouldn't have been bullied the same way Cork was.
There were defensive mistakes, lots of them, but maybe we lost midfield in the second half and this put extra pressure on the defence. We ave away far too much possesion. They were pressing high like we usually do. We missed Morgan today. He would have made the difference, also Wanyama wouldn't have been bullied the same way Cork was. John Gillham
  • Score: 6

10:46am Mon 24 Mar 14

mbetts says...

We've gone backwards recently earlier in the season our pressing game was winning points and high praise now our defending is reminiscent of early last season and our midfield are being regularly out fought especially during the second half yesterday.
We've gone backwards recently earlier in the season our pressing game was winning points and high praise now our defending is reminiscent of early last season and our midfield are being regularly out fought especially during the second half yesterday. mbetts
  • Score: 18

11:00am Mon 24 Mar 14

ere-we-go says...

Saints need to learn when to attack and when to defend. Time and again yesterday the ball was played in behind Luke Shaw, dragging Lovren out of position, who is clearly not a left back!

There we were with a two nil lead yet they still continued to charge forward.

I am all for the system we play but surely there needs to be a time when we change tactics during a game to get the job done.
Saints need to learn when to attack and when to defend. Time and again yesterday the ball was played in behind Luke Shaw, dragging Lovren out of position, who is clearly not a left back! There we were with a two nil lead yet they still continued to charge forward. I am all for the system we play but surely there needs to be a time when we change tactics during a game to get the job done. ere-we-go
  • Score: 19

11:07am Mon 24 Mar 14

Norwegian Saint says...

Just about all Saints goals conceded have all come from either our own mistakes or a referees error.
Two of the three v Spurs, Both v Norwich, All three against Liverpool.... the list goes on and on back to Borucs riverdance performance at Arsenal.
I would like to see one more defender, one more striker and one more keeper.

For the rest of the season we may as well blood youngsters like Reed and start with Sam

Hate bogey teams beginning with "S"
Spurs Lost twice
Stoke Drew twice
Sunderland Drew twice lost twice
(Only one we won was Swansea at home)
Just about all Saints goals conceded have all come from either our own mistakes or a referees error. Two of the three v Spurs, Both v Norwich, All three against Liverpool.... the list goes on and on back to Borucs riverdance performance at Arsenal. I would like to see one more defender, one more striker and one more keeper. For the rest of the season we may as well blood youngsters like Reed and start with Sam Hate bogey teams beginning with "S" Spurs Lost twice Stoke Drew twice Sunderland Drew twice lost twice (Only one we won was Swansea at home) Norwegian Saint
  • Score: 6

11:23am Mon 24 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

montecristosaint wrote:
Im sorrybut we really need another centre half to compete with Fonte and Lovren. And a central striker.
No reason to be apologetic, we are aware of this, as you know the transfer window is very firmly closed and there is nothing we can do until the window opens again after the Season ends.
[quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: Im sorrybut we really need another centre half to compete with Fonte and Lovren. And a central striker.[/p][/quote]No reason to be apologetic, we are aware of this, as you know the transfer window is very firmly closed and there is nothing we can do until the window opens again after the Season ends. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

11:24am Mon 24 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

mbetts wrote:
We've gone backwards recently earlier in the season our pressing game was winning points and high praise now our defending is reminiscent of early last season and our midfield are being regularly out fought especially during the second half yesterday.
We know this.
[quote][p][bold]mbetts[/bold] wrote: We've gone backwards recently earlier in the season our pressing game was winning points and high praise now our defending is reminiscent of early last season and our midfield are being regularly out fought especially during the second half yesterday.[/p][/quote]We know this. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -5

11:27am Mon 24 Mar 14

saint phil says...

I would like to have seen Reed start the game and Big Sam brougth on with 20 minuets left with Rodriguz going off , and with Lambert remaining on. We just lost control of the middle of the park!.
I would like to have seen Reed start the game and Big Sam brougth on with 20 minuets left with Rodriguz going off , and with Lambert remaining on. We just lost control of the middle of the park!. saint phil
  • Score: 4

11:29am Mon 24 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

ere-we-go wrote:
Saints need to learn when to attack and when to defend. Time and again yesterday the ball was played in behind Luke Shaw, dragging Lovren out of position, who is clearly not a left back!

There we were with a two nil lead yet they still continued to charge forward.

I am all for the system we play but surely there needs to be a time when we change tactics during a game to get the job done.
Easy for a table top manager to preach, a bit more difficult in the heat of a battle, our early season tactics have been sussed and countermanded by the better teams with astute Managers using tactics to nullify our efforts. We have to learn new ways of using their tactics to our advantage, I am sure Poch is wise enough to figure it out. I suspect that being safe in mid-table isn't helping, I don't know for sure.
[quote][p][bold]ere-we-go[/bold] wrote: Saints need to learn when to attack and when to defend. Time and again yesterday the ball was played in behind Luke Shaw, dragging Lovren out of position, who is clearly not a left back! There we were with a two nil lead yet they still continued to charge forward. I am all for the system we play but surely there needs to be a time when we change tactics during a game to get the job done.[/p][/quote]Easy for a table top manager to preach, a bit more difficult in the heat of a battle, our early season tactics have been sussed and countermanded by the better teams with astute Managers using tactics to nullify our efforts. We have to learn new ways of using their tactics to our advantage, I am sure Poch is wise enough to figure it out. I suspect that being safe in mid-table isn't helping, I don't know for sure. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -2

11:33am Mon 24 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

saint phil wrote:
I would like to have seen Reed start the game and Big Sam brougth on with 20 minuets left with Rodriguz going off , and with Lambert remaining on. We just lost control of the middle of the park!.
I agree, although I am not sure Lambo can manage a full 90 minutes at the moment, on another web site they keep rabbiting on about a back problem making life difficult for him, pure hearsay unless you know better?
[quote][p][bold]saint phil[/bold] wrote: I would like to have seen Reed start the game and Big Sam brougth on with 20 minuets left with Rodriguz going off , and with Lambert remaining on. We just lost control of the middle of the park!.[/p][/quote]I agree, although I am not sure Lambo can manage a full 90 minutes at the moment, on another web site they keep rabbiting on about a back problem making life difficult for him, pure hearsay unless you know better? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

11:39am Mon 24 Mar 14

ere-we-go says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
ere-we-go wrote:
Saints need to learn when to attack and when to defend. Time and again yesterday the ball was played in behind Luke Shaw, dragging Lovren out of position, who is clearly not a left back!

There we were with a two nil lead yet they still continued to charge forward.

I am all for the system we play but surely there needs to be a time when we change tactics during a game to get the job done.
Easy for a table top manager to preach, a bit more difficult in the heat of a battle, our early season tactics have been sussed and countermanded by the better teams with astute Managers using tactics to nullify our efforts. We have to learn new ways of using their tactics to our advantage, I am sure Poch is wise enough to figure it out. I suspect that being safe in mid-table isn't helping, I don't know for sure.
Precisely!
In yesterdays case, if we need to learn as you say, "new ways of using their tactics to our advantage", would be to say, perhaps, "Luke, stop pushing forward, they keep playing in behind you" or, "Dejan, put the ball out for a throw in" !
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ere-we-go[/bold] wrote: Saints need to learn when to attack and when to defend. Time and again yesterday the ball was played in behind Luke Shaw, dragging Lovren out of position, who is clearly not a left back! There we were with a two nil lead yet they still continued to charge forward. I am all for the system we play but surely there needs to be a time when we change tactics during a game to get the job done.[/p][/quote]Easy for a table top manager to preach, a bit more difficult in the heat of a battle, our early season tactics have been sussed and countermanded by the better teams with astute Managers using tactics to nullify our efforts. We have to learn new ways of using their tactics to our advantage, I am sure Poch is wise enough to figure it out. I suspect that being safe in mid-table isn't helping, I don't know for sure.[/p][/quote]Precisely! In yesterdays case, if we need to learn as you say, "new ways of using their tactics to our advantage", would be to say, perhaps, "Luke, stop pushing forward, they keep playing in behind you" or, "Dejan, put the ball out for a throw in" ! ere-we-go
  • Score: 3

11:56am Mon 24 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

ere-we-go wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
ere-we-go wrote:
Saints need to learn when to attack and when to defend. Time and again yesterday the ball was played in behind Luke Shaw, dragging Lovren out of position, who is clearly not a left back!

There we were with a two nil lead yet they still continued to charge forward.

I am all for the system we play but surely there needs to be a time when we change tactics during a game to get the job done.
Easy for a table top manager to preach, a bit more difficult in the heat of a battle, our early season tactics have been sussed and countermanded by the better teams with astute Managers using tactics to nullify our efforts. We have to learn new ways of using their tactics to our advantage, I am sure Poch is wise enough to figure it out. I suspect that being safe in mid-table isn't helping, I don't know for sure.
Precisely!
In yesterdays case, if we need to learn as you say, "new ways of using their tactics to our advantage", would be to say, perhaps, "Luke, stop pushing forward, they keep playing in behind you" or, "Dejan, put the ball out for a throw in" !
I agree, if you remember earlier in the Season, when Luke pushed forward, someone was designate to drop into the space behind him, JWP was good at this, but hasn't been used much on that side and the cover seems to have been lost. Dejan would rather turn and create rather than hoofing it out, which is what Jose tends to do as he knows his limitations. to err is human to forgive divine they say. I forgive Dejan for his misguided efforts, but he needs to be a bit more careful because anything slightly dodgy will be punished in this League, there are some very good players out there, for me the only real difference yesterday was the performance of Eriksen and our perchant to make a bad decision every now and then, possibly exacerbated by a couple of poor Refereing calls, but we always seem to get them don't we, not that I am biased in any way.
[quote][p][bold]ere-we-go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ere-we-go[/bold] wrote: Saints need to learn when to attack and when to defend. Time and again yesterday the ball was played in behind Luke Shaw, dragging Lovren out of position, who is clearly not a left back! There we were with a two nil lead yet they still continued to charge forward. I am all for the system we play but surely there needs to be a time when we change tactics during a game to get the job done.[/p][/quote]Easy for a table top manager to preach, a bit more difficult in the heat of a battle, our early season tactics have been sussed and countermanded by the better teams with astute Managers using tactics to nullify our efforts. We have to learn new ways of using their tactics to our advantage, I am sure Poch is wise enough to figure it out. I suspect that being safe in mid-table isn't helping, I don't know for sure.[/p][/quote]Precisely! In yesterdays case, if we need to learn as you say, "new ways of using their tactics to our advantage", would be to say, perhaps, "Luke, stop pushing forward, they keep playing in behind you" or, "Dejan, put the ball out for a throw in" ![/p][/quote]I agree, if you remember earlier in the Season, when Luke pushed forward, someone was designate to drop into the space behind him, JWP was good at this, but hasn't been used much on that side and the cover seems to have been lost. Dejan would rather turn and create rather than hoofing it out, which is what Jose tends to do as he knows his limitations. to err is human to forgive divine they say. I forgive Dejan for his misguided efforts, but he needs to be a bit more careful because anything slightly dodgy will be punished in this League, there are some very good players out there, for me the only real difference yesterday was the performance of Eriksen and our perchant to make a bad decision every now and then, possibly exacerbated by a couple of poor Refereing calls, but we always seem to get them don't we, not that I am biased in any way. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

12:14pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Wembley76 says...

I am concerned about Dejan and his fitness. Since the injury at Sunderland, he has been a shadow of his old self, partic against Liverpool and again vs Spurs...he is getting caught in possession and seems less sharp...did we bring him back too early...? Had a great first half of the season and needs support to recover and regain full fitness and confidence. The main issue is that we seem unable to 'flex' out play and consolidate when we get an early lead...this has happened on so may occasions but we seem to fail to learn from the experience...
I am concerned about Dejan and his fitness. Since the injury at Sunderland, he has been a shadow of his old self, partic against Liverpool and again vs Spurs...he is getting caught in possession and seems less sharp...did we bring him back too early...? Had a great first half of the season and needs support to recover and regain full fitness and confidence. The main issue is that we seem unable to 'flex' out play and consolidate when we get an early lead...this has happened on so may occasions but we seem to fail to learn from the experience... Wembley76
  • Score: 13

12:26pm Mon 24 Mar 14

ere-we-go says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
ere-we-go wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
ere-we-go wrote:
Saints need to learn when to attack and when to defend. Time and again yesterday the ball was played in behind Luke Shaw, dragging Lovren out of position, who is clearly not a left back!

There we were with a two nil lead yet they still continued to charge forward.

I am all for the system we play but surely there needs to be a time when we change tactics during a game to get the job done.
Easy for a table top manager to preach, a bit more difficult in the heat of a battle, our early season tactics have been sussed and countermanded by the better teams with astute Managers using tactics to nullify our efforts. We have to learn new ways of using their tactics to our advantage, I am sure Poch is wise enough to figure it out. I suspect that being safe in mid-table isn't helping, I don't know for sure.
Precisely!
In yesterdays case, if we need to learn as you say, "new ways of using their tactics to our advantage", would be to say, perhaps, "Luke, stop pushing forward, they keep playing in behind you" or, "Dejan, put the ball out for a throw in" !
I agree, if you remember earlier in the Season, when Luke pushed forward, someone was designate to drop into the space behind him, JWP was good at this, but hasn't been used much on that side and the cover seems to have been lost. Dejan would rather turn and create rather than hoofing it out, which is what Jose tends to do as he knows his limitations. to err is human to forgive divine they say. I forgive Dejan for his misguided efforts, but he needs to be a bit more careful because anything slightly dodgy will be punished in this League, there are some very good players out there, for me the only real difference yesterday was the performance of Eriksen and our perchant to make a bad decision every now and then, possibly exacerbated by a couple of poor Refereing calls, but we always seem to get them don't we, not that I am biased in any way.
Does Jose know his limitations or does he think differently!

In my view, neither of the tussles in the corner when Dejan lost possession were blatant fouls but that's just me!

The little errors are coming thick and fast which in many ways are a good thing.

This is an exciting, young and predominantly English side who are learning their trade.

Despite the pain and frustration that these mistakes are on the day, they are necessary to help them develop.

I've loved being a Saints fan for many years but this season even more so, by being fan of a side that is developing youth, proving they are capable of competing at this level and having everyone talk about us.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ere-we-go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ere-we-go[/bold] wrote: Saints need to learn when to attack and when to defend. Time and again yesterday the ball was played in behind Luke Shaw, dragging Lovren out of position, who is clearly not a left back! There we were with a two nil lead yet they still continued to charge forward. I am all for the system we play but surely there needs to be a time when we change tactics during a game to get the job done.[/p][/quote]Easy for a table top manager to preach, a bit more difficult in the heat of a battle, our early season tactics have been sussed and countermanded by the better teams with astute Managers using tactics to nullify our efforts. We have to learn new ways of using their tactics to our advantage, I am sure Poch is wise enough to figure it out. I suspect that being safe in mid-table isn't helping, I don't know for sure.[/p][/quote]Precisely! In yesterdays case, if we need to learn as you say, "new ways of using their tactics to our advantage", would be to say, perhaps, "Luke, stop pushing forward, they keep playing in behind you" or, "Dejan, put the ball out for a throw in" ![/p][/quote]I agree, if you remember earlier in the Season, when Luke pushed forward, someone was designate to drop into the space behind him, JWP was good at this, but hasn't been used much on that side and the cover seems to have been lost. Dejan would rather turn and create rather than hoofing it out, which is what Jose tends to do as he knows his limitations. to err is human to forgive divine they say. I forgive Dejan for his misguided efforts, but he needs to be a bit more careful because anything slightly dodgy will be punished in this League, there are some very good players out there, for me the only real difference yesterday was the performance of Eriksen and our perchant to make a bad decision every now and then, possibly exacerbated by a couple of poor Refereing calls, but we always seem to get them don't we, not that I am biased in any way.[/p][/quote]Does Jose know his limitations or does he think differently! In my view, neither of the tussles in the corner when Dejan lost possession were blatant fouls but that's just me! The little errors are coming thick and fast which in many ways are a good thing. This is an exciting, young and predominantly English side who are learning their trade. Despite the pain and frustration that these mistakes are on the day, they are necessary to help them develop. I've loved being a Saints fan for many years but this season even more so, by being fan of a side that is developing youth, proving they are capable of competing at this level and having everyone talk about us. ere-we-go
  • Score: 9

12:26pm Mon 24 Mar 14

SaintJD says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
ere-we-go wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
ere-we-go wrote:
Saints need to learn when to attack and when to defend. Time and again yesterday the ball was played in behind Luke Shaw, dragging Lovren out of position, who is clearly not a left back!

There we were with a two nil lead yet they still continued to charge forward.

I am all for the system we play but surely there needs to be a time when we change tactics during a game to get the job done.
Easy for a table top manager to preach, a bit more difficult in the heat of a battle, our early season tactics have been sussed and countermanded by the better teams with astute Managers using tactics to nullify our efforts. We have to learn new ways of using their tactics to our advantage, I am sure Poch is wise enough to figure it out. I suspect that being safe in mid-table isn't helping, I don't know for sure.
Precisely!
In yesterdays case, if we need to learn as you say, "new ways of using their tactics to our advantage", would be to say, perhaps, "Luke, stop pushing forward, they keep playing in behind you" or, "Dejan, put the ball out for a throw in" !
I agree, if you remember earlier in the Season, when Luke pushed forward, someone was designate to drop into the space behind him, JWP was good at this, but hasn't been used much on that side and the cover seems to have been lost. Dejan would rather turn and create rather than hoofing it out, which is what Jose tends to do as he knows his limitations. to err is human to forgive divine they say. I forgive Dejan for his misguided efforts, but he needs to be a bit more careful because anything slightly dodgy will be punished in this League, there are some very good players out there, for me the only real difference yesterday was the performance of Eriksen and our perchant to make a bad decision every now and then, possibly exacerbated by a couple of poor Refereing calls, but we always seem to get them don't we, not that I am biased in any way.
I think yesterday pretty much summed it up and illustrated perfectly that we aren't far off being a top, top team, but that immaturity and sloppiness is punishing us massively.

I'm not sure we needed to adapt our game at 2-0 because we were bossing it and our style is simply not to invite them to come on to us - it's to keep pressing high, win the ball back quickly and keep it away from our goal. It can work, in any situation.

But the build up to the first goal saw us relaxing too much and I could see it coming - there were sloppy passes, we gave the ball away cheaply and I'd blame Fonte more than anyone for failing to use common sense. Yes, we want to play nice football, but there are times when you kick it out so we can get into the right shape defensively - both Lovren and Fonte were guilty of trying to play in silly areas and it cost us dear.

We did exactly the same against Norwich - silly, cheap goals from individual lack of focus when we are bossing a game.

So first thing to improve is: value clear sheets more, even if you think you can out score the opposition. Defend with 100% focus at all times. Although we do need reinforcement this isn't even a skill thing - our back four are capable of being resolute when they want to be, but we switch off every now and again.

The second thing we need to work on is maturity in not getting carried away when a team does get some momentum in the game.

At Chelsea and against Spurs we bossed the games completely but as soon as the crowd got interested and they got a head of steam on the pitch we seem to get bullied, panic and leak goals in succession.

So, very simply, when we concede we need to be calm enough to slow the game down quickly and the way to do that is to do what we do best - value possession.

Second half yesterday we lost our heads and stopped valuing the ball until the last 15 minutes. We spent 30 minutes forgetting to keep the ball.

That's largely a youth thing, but it's so simple and easy to rectify.

In the first half I see no reason why Saints didn't look in all the world like a top four team - we were exceptional.

But top four teams don't give the opposition an easy route back into the game and, when they do, they tend not to lose their shape and style.

Once we sort that, we can make the next step up because, though I agree that strengthening the squad is important in the summer, you can't tell me that Spurs have better starting XIs than us. I wouldn't swap their first 11 for ours in a million years yesterday, they've played rubbish all season and they are comfortably ahead of us in the league.

The only difference is maturity and eeking out results, not personnel.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ere-we-go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ere-we-go[/bold] wrote: Saints need to learn when to attack and when to defend. Time and again yesterday the ball was played in behind Luke Shaw, dragging Lovren out of position, who is clearly not a left back! There we were with a two nil lead yet they still continued to charge forward. I am all for the system we play but surely there needs to be a time when we change tactics during a game to get the job done.[/p][/quote]Easy for a table top manager to preach, a bit more difficult in the heat of a battle, our early season tactics have been sussed and countermanded by the better teams with astute Managers using tactics to nullify our efforts. We have to learn new ways of using their tactics to our advantage, I am sure Poch is wise enough to figure it out. I suspect that being safe in mid-table isn't helping, I don't know for sure.[/p][/quote]Precisely! In yesterdays case, if we need to learn as you say, "new ways of using their tactics to our advantage", would be to say, perhaps, "Luke, stop pushing forward, they keep playing in behind you" or, "Dejan, put the ball out for a throw in" ![/p][/quote]I agree, if you remember earlier in the Season, when Luke pushed forward, someone was designate to drop into the space behind him, JWP was good at this, but hasn't been used much on that side and the cover seems to have been lost. Dejan would rather turn and create rather than hoofing it out, which is what Jose tends to do as he knows his limitations. to err is human to forgive divine they say. I forgive Dejan for his misguided efforts, but he needs to be a bit more careful because anything slightly dodgy will be punished in this League, there are some very good players out there, for me the only real difference yesterday was the performance of Eriksen and our perchant to make a bad decision every now and then, possibly exacerbated by a couple of poor Refereing calls, but we always seem to get them don't we, not that I am biased in any way.[/p][/quote]I think yesterday pretty much summed it up and illustrated perfectly that we aren't far off being a top, top team, but that immaturity and sloppiness is punishing us massively. I'm not sure we needed to adapt our game at 2-0 because we were bossing it and our style is simply not to invite them to come on to us - it's to keep pressing high, win the ball back quickly and keep it away from our goal. It can work, in any situation. But the build up to the first goal saw us relaxing too much and I could see it coming - there were sloppy passes, we gave the ball away cheaply and I'd blame Fonte more than anyone for failing to use common sense. Yes, we want to play nice football, but there are times when you kick it out so we can get into the right shape defensively - both Lovren and Fonte were guilty of trying to play in silly areas and it cost us dear. We did exactly the same against Norwich - silly, cheap goals from individual lack of focus when we are bossing a game. So first thing to improve is: value clear sheets more, even if you think you can out score the opposition. Defend with 100% focus at all times. Although we do need reinforcement this isn't even a skill thing - our back four are capable of being resolute when they want to be, but we switch off every now and again. The second thing we need to work on is maturity in not getting carried away when a team does get some momentum in the game. At Chelsea and against Spurs we bossed the games completely but as soon as the crowd got interested and they got a head of steam on the pitch we seem to get bullied, panic and leak goals in succession. So, very simply, when we concede we need to be calm enough to slow the game down quickly and the way to do that is to do what we do best - value possession. Second half yesterday we lost our heads and stopped valuing the ball until the last 15 minutes. We spent 30 minutes forgetting to keep the ball. That's largely a youth thing, but it's so simple and easy to rectify. In the first half I see no reason why Saints didn't look in all the world like a top four team - we were exceptional. But top four teams don't give the opposition an easy route back into the game and, when they do, they tend not to lose their shape and style. Once we sort that, we can make the next step up because, though I agree that strengthening the squad is important in the summer, you can't tell me that Spurs have better starting XIs than us. I wouldn't swap their first 11 for ours in a million years yesterday, they've played rubbish all season and they are comfortably ahead of us in the league. The only difference is maturity and eeking out results, not personnel. SaintJD
  • Score: 11

12:38pm Mon 24 Mar 14

JohnItaly says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
ere-we-go wrote:
Saints need to learn when to attack and when to defend. Time and again yesterday the ball was played in behind Luke Shaw, dragging Lovren out of position, who is clearly not a left back!

There we were with a two nil lead yet they still continued to charge forward.

I am all for the system we play but surely there needs to be a time when we change tactics during a game to get the job done.
Easy for a table top manager to preach, a bit more difficult in the heat of a battle, our early season tactics have been sussed and countermanded by the better teams with astute Managers using tactics to nullify our efforts. We have to learn new ways of using their tactics to our advantage, I am sure Poch is wise enough to figure it out. I suspect that being safe in mid-table isn't helping, I don't know for sure.
In terms of being "sussed out by better teams" it is worth bearing in mind that we have won only ONE game all season against top half opposition. That as we all know was against Liverpool who, thankfully, at the time were without Suarez other wise we might have been the ONLY team not to defeat a top half team. Clearly there is a need for a plan B.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ere-we-go[/bold] wrote: Saints need to learn when to attack and when to defend. Time and again yesterday the ball was played in behind Luke Shaw, dragging Lovren out of position, who is clearly not a left back! There we were with a two nil lead yet they still continued to charge forward. I am all for the system we play but surely there needs to be a time when we change tactics during a game to get the job done.[/p][/quote]Easy for a table top manager to preach, a bit more difficult in the heat of a battle, our early season tactics have been sussed and countermanded by the better teams with astute Managers using tactics to nullify our efforts. We have to learn new ways of using their tactics to our advantage, I am sure Poch is wise enough to figure it out. I suspect that being safe in mid-table isn't helping, I don't know for sure.[/p][/quote]In terms of being "sussed out by better teams" it is worth bearing in mind that we have won only ONE game all season against top half opposition. That as we all know was against Liverpool who, thankfully, at the time were without Suarez other wise we might have been the ONLY team not to defeat a top half team. Clearly there is a need for a plan B. JohnItaly
  • Score: 3

12:47pm Mon 24 Mar 14

townieboy says...

TWO POOR DEFENSIVE MISTAKES END OF STORY. YOU JUST CANT DO THAT IN ANY LEAGUE.
TWO POOR DEFENSIVE MISTAKES END OF STORY. YOU JUST CANT DO THAT IN ANY LEAGUE. townieboy
  • Score: 2

1:12pm Mon 24 Mar 14

SaintJD says...

"Saints have now conceded more goals this season than relegation-haunted Crystal Palace, while none of the sides above them in the table have conceded more than they have."

Ah, very selective stats from the Daily Echo and, while they conveniently make your point, they are also a little misleading.

What they don't say is that we have the seventh best goal difference in the league (better than two of the teams above us and way better than all the teams below us).

No question our defensive solidity has tailed off though, mainly because, with no real pressure on us in recent months, we've taken a bit of a casual 'you score, we'll score more' approach.

And, although I don't think they've realised, I'm sure our players have to be aware that the England manager is watching virtually all our games so, for Rickie, J-Rod, Adam and Luke, I'd suggest they might be playing slightly more individually and making decisions that they maybe wouldn't have in the past in order to catch the eye, which is only natural, but might mean taking on your man and getting forward when you might usually be a bit more disciplined if there was more riding on the game.
"Saints have now conceded more goals this season than relegation-haunted Crystal Palace, while none of the sides above them in the table have conceded more than they have." Ah, very selective stats from the Daily Echo and, while they conveniently make your point, they are also a little misleading. What they don't say is that we have the seventh best goal difference in the league (better than two of the teams above us and way better than all the teams below us). No question our defensive solidity has tailed off though, mainly because, with no real pressure on us in recent months, we've taken a bit of a casual 'you score, we'll score more' approach. And, although I don't think they've realised, I'm sure our players have to be aware that the England manager is watching virtually all our games so, for Rickie, J-Rod, Adam and Luke, I'd suggest they might be playing slightly more individually and making decisions that they maybe wouldn't have in the past in order to catch the eye, which is only natural, but might mean taking on your man and getting forward when you might usually be a bit more disciplined if there was more riding on the game. SaintJD
  • Score: 1

1:32pm Mon 24 Mar 14

mbetts says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
mbetts wrote:
We've gone backwards recently earlier in the season our pressing game was winning points and high praise now our defending is reminiscent of early last season and our midfield are being regularly out fought especially during the second half yesterday.
We know this.
Are you a teacher? All you seem to do is mark other peoples quotes, technically anybody who saw yesterdays match knows the entire above story, I was just offering my opinion on what I saw, what was yours?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mbetts[/bold] wrote: We've gone backwards recently earlier in the season our pressing game was winning points and high praise now our defending is reminiscent of early last season and our midfield are being regularly out fought especially during the second half yesterday.[/p][/quote]We know this.[/p][/quote]Are you a teacher? All you seem to do is mark other peoples quotes, technically anybody who saw yesterdays match knows the entire above story, I was just offering my opinion on what I saw, what was yours? mbetts
  • Score: 4

1:52pm Mon 24 Mar 14

warrens 76 says...

Confidence is a wonderful thing..we had confidence then became over confident, they scored and became confident, we lost our confidence, they scored again and we lost our confidence completely, game over, all this is in confidence of course.
Confidence is a wonderful thing..we had confidence then became over confident, they scored and became confident, we lost our confidence, they scored again and we lost our confidence completely, game over, all this is in confidence of course. warrens 76
  • Score: 1

2:08pm Mon 24 Mar 14

jezza says...

It is our second year in the Premiership, a season when historically, most newly promoted sides are found wanting and really struggle to escape the relegation battle.

We went to a side who are consistently top 8, who have spent vastly more money on players than we have, and who have a real incentive to get results now, rather than build for the future.

But we scared them. And we scared them proper. They didn't get past us until the 92nd minute, and their fans had all but given up on doing so.

Disapointing? Yes. Reason for pessimism? Not at all.

We are ninth and 6 points behind Man U. How many of the people calling the club's current performance "unacceptable" hold betting slips for either of those?

COYS - STID
It is our second year in the Premiership, a season when historically, most newly promoted sides are found wanting and really struggle to escape the relegation battle. We went to a side who are consistently top 8, who have spent vastly more money on players than we have, and who have a real incentive to get results now, rather than build for the future. But we scared them. And we scared them proper. They didn't get past us until the 92nd minute, and their fans had all but given up on doing so. Disapointing? Yes. Reason for pessimism? Not at all. We are ninth and 6 points behind Man U. How many of the people calling the club's current performance "unacceptable" hold betting slips for either of those? COYS - STID jezza
  • Score: 8

2:51pm Mon 24 Mar 14

RealTalkSouthampton says...

Watched the games against spuds and we weren't unluckly...

Simple truth is we lack experience and quality. Our system is fine and the manager has enough quality. The team carries lambert to much. Our defensive is probably the strongest part of the team, but then you need good protection from the midfield. A yaya toure type player in midfield and tevez type upfront is what we need.

Plus a few subs that can change the game...

Would be nice for the club to disclose it's ambition because as arsenal have shown your can't win anything with youngsters alone. So we either need to build with patients or buy success!
Watched the games against spuds and we weren't unluckly... Simple truth is we lack experience and quality. Our system is fine and the manager has enough quality. The team carries lambert to much. Our defensive is probably the strongest part of the team, but then you need good protection from the midfield. A yaya toure type player in midfield and tevez type upfront is what we need. Plus a few subs that can change the game... Would be nice for the club to disclose it's ambition because as arsenal have shown your can't win anything with youngsters alone. So we either need to build with patients or buy success! RealTalkSouthampton
  • Score: -3

3:10pm Mon 24 Mar 14

SaintJD says...

RealTalkSouthampton wrote:
Watched the games against spuds and we weren't unluckly...

Simple truth is we lack experience and quality. Our system is fine and the manager has enough quality. The team carries lambert to much. Our defensive is probably the strongest part of the team, but then you need good protection from the midfield. A yaya toure type player in midfield and tevez type upfront is what we need.

Plus a few subs that can change the game...

Would be nice for the club to disclose it's ambition because as arsenal have shown your can't win anything with youngsters alone. So we either need to build with patients or buy success!
If we had the quality in the first half - which we clearly had - we have the quality full stop, we just need to work on our focus.

As I said in a recent post, Spurs are fifth and challenging for fourth, yet I'd only really swap out three or so members of their first 11 for ours: Jan V., Eriksen (possibly), Lloris (probably).

Carrying Lambert is also a very interesting statement - he maybe tired towards the end of the game, but he was intrinsic to our success in the first half and probably played himself back into the England reckoning with the versatility of his all round game.

Also, defence is surely the weakest part of our team, not the strongest and we have two or three very decent driving midfielders - maybe not a Toure, but certainly in the same league as the driving midfield players at Liverpool, Arsenal, Everton, Spurs, Man Utd and Chelsea.

I'd prioritise central defence for improvement, if we assume all our best players stay, plus maybe competition for Artur and cover at left back.

A world-class striker definitely, possibly a pacey winger but would have to be top quality. A top quality alternative to S. Davis maybe, although he's been reliable enough.

Totally agree with your final statement 'build with patience' is exactly what we need to do, although build with patience while aiming high immediately because, as Arsenal show, your young players can't afford to be patient with their careers - if you don't show them silverware within three or four seasons they'll understandably get twitchy and try to get it elsewhere, meaning you build with patience, but have to keep filling in the gaps when some of your key bricks fall out..

Or you build a perfect dream home only to see it collapse when you discover the builders put Guly and Fox in the foundations :)
[quote][p][bold]RealTalkSouthampton[/bold] wrote: Watched the games against spuds and we weren't unluckly... Simple truth is we lack experience and quality. Our system is fine and the manager has enough quality. The team carries lambert to much. Our defensive is probably the strongest part of the team, but then you need good protection from the midfield. A yaya toure type player in midfield and tevez type upfront is what we need. Plus a few subs that can change the game... Would be nice for the club to disclose it's ambition because as arsenal have shown your can't win anything with youngsters alone. So we either need to build with patients or buy success![/p][/quote]If we had the quality in the first half - which we clearly had - we have the quality full stop, we just need to work on our focus. As I said in a recent post, Spurs are fifth and challenging for fourth, yet I'd only really swap out three or so members of their first 11 for ours: Jan V., Eriksen (possibly), Lloris (probably). Carrying Lambert is also a very interesting statement - he maybe tired towards the end of the game, but he was intrinsic to our success in the first half and probably played himself back into the England reckoning with the versatility of his all round game. Also, defence is surely the weakest part of our team, not the strongest and we have two or three very decent driving midfielders - maybe not a Toure, but certainly in the same league as the driving midfield players at Liverpool, Arsenal, Everton, Spurs, Man Utd and Chelsea. I'd prioritise central defence for improvement, if we assume all our best players stay, plus maybe competition for Artur and cover at left back. A world-class striker definitely, possibly a pacey winger but would have to be top quality. A top quality alternative to S. Davis maybe, although he's been reliable enough. Totally agree with your final statement 'build with patience' is exactly what we need to do, although build with patience while aiming high immediately because, as Arsenal show, your young players can't afford to be patient with their careers - if you don't show them silverware within three or four seasons they'll understandably get twitchy and try to get it elsewhere, meaning you build with patience, but have to keep filling in the gaps when some of your key bricks fall out.. Or you build a perfect dream home only to see it collapse when you discover the builders put Guly and Fox in the foundations :) SaintJD
  • Score: 0

3:23pm Mon 24 Mar 14

miltonarcher says...

mbetts wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
mbetts wrote:
We've gone backwards recently earlier in the season our pressing game was winning points and high praise now our defending is reminiscent of early last season and our midfield are being regularly out fought especially during the second half yesterday.
We know this.
Are you a teacher? All you seem to do is mark other peoples quotes, technically anybody who saw yesterdays match knows the entire above story, I was just offering my opinion on what I saw, what was yours?
He is the all-knowing pedantic poster. Whatever you do don’t make a spelling or grammatical error or you will feel the lashings of his tongue, via his keyboard of course.
[quote][p][bold]mbetts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mbetts[/bold] wrote: We've gone backwards recently earlier in the season our pressing game was winning points and high praise now our defending is reminiscent of early last season and our midfield are being regularly out fought especially during the second half yesterday.[/p][/quote]We know this.[/p][/quote]Are you a teacher? All you seem to do is mark other peoples quotes, technically anybody who saw yesterdays match knows the entire above story, I was just offering my opinion on what I saw, what was yours?[/p][/quote]He is the all-knowing pedantic poster. Whatever you do don’t make a spelling or grammatical error or you will feel the lashings of his tongue, via his keyboard of course. miltonarcher
  • Score: 3

4:07pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Positively4thStreet says...

miltonarcher wrote:
mbetts wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
mbetts wrote:
We've gone backwards recently earlier in the season our pressing game was winning points and high praise now our defending is reminiscent of early last season and our midfield are being regularly out fought especially during the second half yesterday.
We know this.
Are you a teacher? All you seem to do is mark other peoples quotes, technically anybody who saw yesterdays match knows the entire above story, I was just offering my opinion on what I saw, what was yours?
He is the all-knowing pedantic poster. Whatever you do don’t make a spelling or grammatical error or you will feel the lashings of his tongue, via his keyboard of course.
What worries me is that criticism of spelling or grammar(aside from being rude),doesn't encourage people to post,if they are constantly in fear of being pulled up for it,which is a bad thing.
Considering the modern use of phonetic teaching,and text speak,the standard of English grammar on these posts,is always very high,but it wouldn't matter if it wasn't,as long as people are happy to put over their point of view without fear of rebuke.
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mbetts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mbetts[/bold] wrote: We've gone backwards recently earlier in the season our pressing game was winning points and high praise now our defending is reminiscent of early last season and our midfield are being regularly out fought especially during the second half yesterday.[/p][/quote]We know this.[/p][/quote]Are you a teacher? All you seem to do is mark other peoples quotes, technically anybody who saw yesterdays match knows the entire above story, I was just offering my opinion on what I saw, what was yours?[/p][/quote]He is the all-knowing pedantic poster. Whatever you do don’t make a spelling or grammatical error or you will feel the lashings of his tongue, via his keyboard of course.[/p][/quote]What worries me is that criticism of spelling or grammar(aside from being rude),doesn't encourage people to post,if they are constantly in fear of being pulled up for it,which is a bad thing. Considering the modern use of phonetic teaching,and text speak,the standard of English grammar on these posts,is always very high,but it wouldn't matter if it wasn't,as long as people are happy to put over their point of view without fear of rebuke. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 2

4:22pm Mon 24 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

mbetts wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
mbetts wrote:
We've gone backwards recently earlier in the season our pressing game was winning points and high praise now our defending is reminiscent of early last season and our midfield are being regularly out fought especially during the second half yesterday.
We know this.
Are you a teacher? All you seem to do is mark other peoples quotes, technically anybody who saw yesterdays match knows the entire above story, I was just offering my opinion on what I saw, what was yours?
Not a teacher as such, more of a teaser or an educator I guess, my opinion of yesterday was that it was a very disappointing result which opened up the flood gates for a load of negative posts about what went wrong and how we should have done it right. Had we won, things would have been very different, about 30% of these posters wouldn't have posted at all, in my not very important opinion.
[quote][p][bold]mbetts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mbetts[/bold] wrote: We've gone backwards recently earlier in the season our pressing game was winning points and high praise now our defending is reminiscent of early last season and our midfield are being regularly out fought especially during the second half yesterday.[/p][/quote]We know this.[/p][/quote]Are you a teacher? All you seem to do is mark other peoples quotes, technically anybody who saw yesterdays match knows the entire above story, I was just offering my opinion on what I saw, what was yours?[/p][/quote]Not a teacher as such, more of a teaser or an educator I guess, my opinion of yesterday was that it was a very disappointing result which opened up the flood gates for a load of negative posts about what went wrong and how we should have done it right. Had we won, things would have been very different, about 30% of these posters wouldn't have posted at all, in my not very important opinion. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -2

4:26pm Mon 24 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

I perceive a problem next Saturday, the emphasis will all be on a Referee who is under great pressure after dropping a dangleberry in the Arsenal - Chelsea game, perhaps we should take a pair of spectacles and wave them at him when he makes a mistake?
I perceive a problem next Saturday, the emphasis will all be on a Referee who is under great pressure after dropping a dangleberry in the Arsenal - Chelsea game, perhaps we should take a pair of spectacles and wave them at him when he makes a mistake? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -5

4:30pm Mon 24 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

miltonarcher wrote:
mbetts wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
mbetts wrote:
We've gone backwards recently earlier in the season our pressing game was winning points and high praise now our defending is reminiscent of early last season and our midfield are being regularly out fought especially during the second half yesterday.
We know this.
Are you a teacher? All you seem to do is mark other peoples quotes, technically anybody who saw yesterdays match knows the entire above story, I was just offering my opinion on what I saw, what was yours?
He is the all-knowing pedantic poster. Whatever you do don’t make a spelling or grammatical error or you will feel the lashings of his tongue, via his keyboard of course.
I know diddley squat according to many and maybe they are right? You don't like me do you? Instead of flaming me, how about using the space to comment on the game or our future, much better for the rest who mostly don't actually give a monkeys about my ramblings and would prefer to hear positive and supportive news from those that know stuff.
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mbetts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mbetts[/bold] wrote: We've gone backwards recently earlier in the season our pressing game was winning points and high praise now our defending is reminiscent of early last season and our midfield are being regularly out fought especially during the second half yesterday.[/p][/quote]We know this.[/p][/quote]Are you a teacher? All you seem to do is mark other peoples quotes, technically anybody who saw yesterdays match knows the entire above story, I was just offering my opinion on what I saw, what was yours?[/p][/quote]He is the all-knowing pedantic poster. Whatever you do don’t make a spelling or grammatical error or you will feel the lashings of his tongue, via his keyboard of course.[/p][/quote]I know diddley squat according to many and maybe they are right? You don't like me do you? Instead of flaming me, how about using the space to comment on the game or our future, much better for the rest who mostly don't actually give a monkeys about my ramblings and would prefer to hear positive and supportive news from those that know stuff. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -3

4:33pm Mon 24 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

jezza wrote:
It is our second year in the Premiership, a season when historically, most newly promoted sides are found wanting and really struggle to escape the relegation battle.

We went to a side who are consistently top 8, who have spent vastly more money on players than we have, and who have a real incentive to get results now, rather than build for the future.

But we scared them. And we scared them proper. They didn't get past us until the 92nd minute, and their fans had all but given up on doing so.

Disapointing? Yes. Reason for pessimism? Not at all.

We are ninth and 6 points behind Man U. How many of the people calling the club's current performance "unacceptable" hold betting slips for either of those?

COYS - STID
Good post, well made.
[quote][p][bold]jezza[/bold] wrote: It is our second year in the Premiership, a season when historically, most newly promoted sides are found wanting and really struggle to escape the relegation battle. We went to a side who are consistently top 8, who have spent vastly more money on players than we have, and who have a real incentive to get results now, rather than build for the future. But we scared them. And we scared them proper. They didn't get past us until the 92nd minute, and their fans had all but given up on doing so. Disapointing? Yes. Reason for pessimism? Not at all. We are ninth and 6 points behind Man U. How many of the people calling the club's current performance "unacceptable" hold betting slips for either of those? COYS - STID[/p][/quote]Good post, well made. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

4:39pm Mon 24 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

townieboy wrote:
TWO POOR DEFENSIVE MISTAKES END OF STORY. YOU JUST CANT DO THAT IN ANY LEAGUE.
Tottenham made a couple too and we took advantage of them, we ought to have done better though, theirs was a rubbish offside trap, that, with a bit of nouse, we could have capitalised upon.
[quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: TWO POOR DEFENSIVE MISTAKES END OF STORY. YOU JUST CANT DO THAT IN ANY LEAGUE.[/p][/quote]Tottenham made a couple too and we took advantage of them, we ought to have done better though, theirs was a rubbish offside trap, that, with a bit of nouse, we could have capitalised upon. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

4:42pm Mon 24 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Confidence is a wonderful thing..we had confidence then became over confident, they scored and became confident, we lost our confidence, they scored again and we lost our confidence completely, game over, all this is in confidence of course.
Thanks for confiding with us, I am confident that you absolutely correct.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Confidence is a wonderful thing..we had confidence then became over confident, they scored and became confident, we lost our confidence, they scored again and we lost our confidence completely, game over, all this is in confidence of course.[/p][/quote]Thanks for confiding with us, I am confident that you absolutely correct. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

4:54pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Lazy says...

Guly - **** off !!
Lovren - **** off !!
Wanyama - **** off !!
Pochettino - **** off !!

PROBLEM SOLVED !!
Guly - **** off !! Lovren - **** off !! Wanyama - **** off !! Pochettino - **** off !! PROBLEM SOLVED !! Lazy
  • Score: -10

5:05pm Mon 24 Mar 14

SaintJD says...

Lazy wrote:
Guly - **** off !!
Lovren - **** off !!
Wanyama - **** off !!
Pochettino - **** off !!

PROBLEM SOLVED !!
**** off !! PROBLEM SOLVED !!
[quote][p][bold]Lazy[/bold] wrote: Guly - **** off !! Lovren - **** off !! Wanyama - **** off !! Pochettino - **** off !! PROBLEM SOLVED !![/p][/quote]**** off !! PROBLEM SOLVED !! SaintJD
  • Score: 6

5:28pm Mon 24 Mar 14

florida saint says...

all unforced errors, gutted u t s
all unforced errors, gutted u t s florida saint
  • Score: 0

6:24pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Golden_Salamander says...

ere-we-go wrote:
Saints need to learn when to attack and when to defend. Time and again yesterday the ball was played in behind Luke Shaw, dragging Lovren out of position, who is clearly not a left back!

There we were with a two nil lead yet they still continued to charge forward.

I am all for the system we play but surely there needs to be a time when we change tactics during a game to get the job done.
I think there is also a change in tactics from the opposition in games that are causing us problems.
In the 1st half spurs tried to "play through" our midfield and got nowhere, our system just picks them off and we "pass the ball around them".
In the 2nd half they changed their tactics to play a "more direct game" and tried to put the ball over our defenders so that we were "turned around" and then attempting to press us in.
Chelsea did the same when we were 1-0 up at half time, and they brought on Ba and played the ball long.
It is a problem that a number of teams are using against us to bypass our "pressing system".

The good teams have enough good players to make those tactics work and get the rewards. However the teams at the bottom don't, and we just pick up the loose ball and play it around at the back until we get an opening to pass the ball up to the halfway line. (That why we end up will something like 75% of the ball and the opposition only having a few attempts at goal. in those matches).

Pochettino will have to find a way to combat those tactics against the top teams because most sides are trying it against us these days.
[quote][p][bold]ere-we-go[/bold] wrote: Saints need to learn when to attack and when to defend. Time and again yesterday the ball was played in behind Luke Shaw, dragging Lovren out of position, who is clearly not a left back! There we were with a two nil lead yet they still continued to charge forward. I am all for the system we play but surely there needs to be a time when we change tactics during a game to get the job done.[/p][/quote]I think there is also a change in tactics from the opposition in games that are causing us problems. In the 1st half spurs tried to "play through" our midfield and got nowhere, our system just picks them off and we "pass the ball around them". In the 2nd half they changed their tactics to play a "more direct game" and tried to put the ball over our defenders so that we were "turned around" and then attempting to press us in. Chelsea did the same when we were 1-0 up at half time, and they brought on Ba and played the ball long. It is a problem that a number of teams are using against us to bypass our "pressing system". The good teams have enough good players to make those tactics work and get the rewards. However the teams at the bottom don't, and we just pick up the loose ball and play it around at the back until we get an opening to pass the ball up to the halfway line. (That why we end up will something like 75% of the ball and the opposition only having a few attempts at goal. in those matches). Pochettino will have to find a way to combat those tactics against the top teams because most sides are trying it against us these days. Golden_Salamander
  • Score: 3

6:35pm Mon 24 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
mbetts wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
mbetts wrote:
We've gone backwards recently earlier in the season our pressing game was winning points and high praise now our defending is reminiscent of early last season and our midfield are being regularly out fought especially during the second half yesterday.
We know this.
Are you a teacher? All you seem to do is mark other peoples quotes, technically anybody who saw yesterdays match knows the entire above story, I was just offering my opinion on what I saw, what was yours?
He is the all-knowing pedantic poster. Whatever you do don’t make a spelling or grammatical error or you will feel the lashings of his tongue, via his keyboard of course.
What worries me is that criticism of spelling or grammar(aside from being rude),doesn't encourage people to post,if they are constantly in fear of being pulled up for it,which is a bad thing.
Considering the modern use of phonetic teaching,and text speak,the standard of English grammar on these posts,is always very high,but it wouldn't matter if it wasn't,as long as people are happy to put over their point of view without fear of rebuke.
Seriously, words can't hurt anyone, I would hate people not to post for fear of being picked on for spelling and grammar errors, not my intention at all, but if they are going to post anti Saints b/s and get it wrong then its's an opportunity to point out the error of their ways without resorting to abuse which is the norm. The "lazy" post above doesn't deserve to be treated with any thing bar contempt, SaintJD's response will suffice.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mbetts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mbetts[/bold] wrote: We've gone backwards recently earlier in the season our pressing game was winning points and high praise now our defending is reminiscent of early last season and our midfield are being regularly out fought especially during the second half yesterday.[/p][/quote]We know this.[/p][/quote]Are you a teacher? All you seem to do is mark other peoples quotes, technically anybody who saw yesterdays match knows the entire above story, I was just offering my opinion on what I saw, what was yours?[/p][/quote]He is the all-knowing pedantic poster. Whatever you do don’t make a spelling or grammatical error or you will feel the lashings of his tongue, via his keyboard of course.[/p][/quote]What worries me is that criticism of spelling or grammar(aside from being rude),doesn't encourage people to post,if they are constantly in fear of being pulled up for it,which is a bad thing. Considering the modern use of phonetic teaching,and text speak,the standard of English grammar on these posts,is always very high,but it wouldn't matter if it wasn't,as long as people are happy to put over their point of view without fear of rebuke.[/p][/quote]Seriously, words can't hurt anyone, I would hate people not to post for fear of being picked on for spelling and grammar errors, not my intention at all, but if they are going to post anti Saints b/s and get it wrong then its's an opportunity to point out the error of their ways without resorting to abuse which is the norm. The "lazy" post above doesn't deserve to be treated with any thing bar contempt, SaintJD's response will suffice. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

7:18pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Emsworthsaint says...

OK all of you - gutting to loose 2-3 twice to them this season, so HOW do we beat Newcastle and what player changes would YOU make. I'm listening...
OK all of you - gutting to loose 2-3 twice to them this season, so HOW do we beat Newcastle and what player changes would YOU make. I'm listening... Emsworthsaint
  • Score: 1

8:12pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Positively4thStreet says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
mbetts wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
mbetts wrote:
We've gone backwards recently earlier in the season our pressing game was winning points and high praise now our defending is reminiscent of early last season and our midfield are being regularly out fought especially during the second half yesterday.
We know this.
Are you a teacher? All you seem to do is mark other peoples quotes, technically anybody who saw yesterdays match knows the entire above story, I was just offering my opinion on what I saw, what was yours?
He is the all-knowing pedantic poster. Whatever you do don’t make a spelling or grammatical error or you will feel the lashings of his tongue, via his keyboard of course.
What worries me is that criticism of spelling or grammar(aside from being rude),doesn't encourage people to post,if they are constantly in fear of being pulled up for it,which is a bad thing.
Considering the modern use of phonetic teaching,and text speak,the standard of English grammar on these posts,is always very high,but it wouldn't matter if it wasn't,as long as people are happy to put over their point of view without fear of rebuke.
Seriously, words can't hurt anyone, I would hate people not to post for fear of being picked on for spelling and grammar errors, not my intention at all, but if they are going to post anti Saints b/s and get it wrong then its's an opportunity to point out the error of their ways without resorting to abuse which is the norm. The "lazy" post above doesn't deserve to be treated with any thing bar contempt, SaintJD's response will suffice.
I don't agree with you Osprey that "words can't hurt anyone". Cyber bullying is one of the biggest problems there is on the internet, widely acknowledged as causing distress and worse to many people.
Not everyone is blessed with the talent for expressing themselves in Shakespearian quality prose,but that doesn't make their contributions any less valid for that.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mbetts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mbetts[/bold] wrote: We've gone backwards recently earlier in the season our pressing game was winning points and high praise now our defending is reminiscent of early last season and our midfield are being regularly out fought especially during the second half yesterday.[/p][/quote]We know this.[/p][/quote]Are you a teacher? All you seem to do is mark other peoples quotes, technically anybody who saw yesterdays match knows the entire above story, I was just offering my opinion on what I saw, what was yours?[/p][/quote]He is the all-knowing pedantic poster. Whatever you do don’t make a spelling or grammatical error or you will feel the lashings of his tongue, via his keyboard of course.[/p][/quote]What worries me is that criticism of spelling or grammar(aside from being rude),doesn't encourage people to post,if they are constantly in fear of being pulled up for it,which is a bad thing. Considering the modern use of phonetic teaching,and text speak,the standard of English grammar on these posts,is always very high,but it wouldn't matter if it wasn't,as long as people are happy to put over their point of view without fear of rebuke.[/p][/quote]Seriously, words can't hurt anyone, I would hate people not to post for fear of being picked on for spelling and grammar errors, not my intention at all, but if they are going to post anti Saints b/s and get it wrong then its's an opportunity to point out the error of their ways without resorting to abuse which is the norm. The "lazy" post above doesn't deserve to be treated with any thing bar contempt, SaintJD's response will suffice.[/p][/quote]I don't agree with you Osprey that "words can't hurt anyone". Cyber bullying is one of the biggest problems there is on the internet, widely acknowledged as causing distress and worse to many people. Not everyone is blessed with the talent for expressing themselves in Shakespearian quality prose,but that doesn't make their contributions any less valid for that. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

8:22pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Clever Dick says...

SaintJD wrote:
Lazy wrote:
Guly - **** off !!
Lovren - **** off !!
Wanyama - **** off !!
Pochettino - **** off !!

PROBLEM SOLVED !!
**** off !! PROBLEM SOLVED !!
Yep to that. ManC rumoured to want Wanyama, Manure rumoured to want Lovren, Spuds rumoured to want MoPo. They must be really bad mustn't they. Oh and I expect somebody will want Guly too. He's not that bad just not up to the prem.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lazy[/bold] wrote: Guly - **** off !! Lovren - **** off !! Wanyama - **** off !! Pochettino - **** off !! PROBLEM SOLVED !![/p][/quote]**** off !! PROBLEM SOLVED !![/p][/quote]Yep to that. ManC rumoured to want Wanyama, Manure rumoured to want Lovren, Spuds rumoured to want MoPo. They must be really bad mustn't they. Oh and I expect somebody will want Guly too. He's not that bad just not up to the prem. Clever Dick
  • Score: 0

8:22pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Clever Dick says...

SaintJD wrote:
Lazy wrote:
Guly - **** off !!
Lovren - **** off !!
Wanyama - **** off !!
Pochettino - **** off !!

PROBLEM SOLVED !!
**** off !! PROBLEM SOLVED !!
Yep to that. ManC rumoured to want Wanyama, Manure rumoured to want Lovren, Spuds rumoured to want MoPo. They must be really bad mustn't they. Oh and I expect somebody will want Guly too. He's not that bad just not up to the prem.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lazy[/bold] wrote: Guly - **** off !! Lovren - **** off !! Wanyama - **** off !! Pochettino - **** off !! PROBLEM SOLVED !![/p][/quote]**** off !! PROBLEM SOLVED !![/p][/quote]Yep to that. ManC rumoured to want Wanyama, Manure rumoured to want Lovren, Spuds rumoured to want MoPo. They must be really bad mustn't they. Oh and I expect somebody will want Guly too. He's not that bad just not up to the prem. Clever Dick
  • Score: 0

8:22pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Santa Retfordia says...

Emsworthsaint wrote:
OK all of you - gutting to loose 2-3 twice to them this season, so HOW do we beat Newcastle and what player changes would YOU make. I'm listening...
I think we're at a stage where the team picks itself each week based entirely around injury, rather than tactics. I can't imagine we'll be able to make many changes at all.

Another two or three quality signings in the summer should help fix this but I can't help but feel we're sort of drifting to the end of the season. Still, it's nice to go to games and just have a laugh rather stress about relegation, isn't it?
[quote][p][bold]Emsworthsaint[/bold] wrote: OK all of you - gutting to loose 2-3 twice to them this season, so HOW do we beat Newcastle and what player changes would YOU make. I'm listening...[/p][/quote]I think we're at a stage where the team picks itself each week based entirely around injury, rather than tactics. I can't imagine we'll be able to make many changes at all. Another two or three quality signings in the summer should help fix this but I can't help but feel we're sort of drifting to the end of the season. Still, it's nice to go to games and just have a laugh rather stress about relegation, isn't it? Santa Retfordia
  • Score: 0

8:26pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Clever Dick says...

Emsworthsaint wrote:
OK all of you - gutting to loose 2-3 twice to them this season, so HOW do we beat Newcastle and what player changes would YOU make. I'm listening...
Well I've given this a great deal of thought. I think if we play a forward line that can score at least four and a goalkeeper who never let's any in we should win comfortably.........
......4-0 in fact.
[quote][p][bold]Emsworthsaint[/bold] wrote: OK all of you - gutting to loose 2-3 twice to them this season, so HOW do we beat Newcastle and what player changes would YOU make. I'm listening...[/p][/quote]Well I've given this a great deal of thought. I think if we play a forward line that can score at least four and a goalkeeper who never let's any in we should win comfortably......... ......4-0 in fact. Clever Dick
  • Score: 1

9:06pm Mon 24 Mar 14

redsnapper says...

Lets face it we are pretty much marooned I 9th. It was a mistake to not go for what could have been an easy FA Cup run all the way. Now with nothing to play for it is no real surprise that the early season performances are dipping. Collectively the defence have all been misfiring even wunderkid Luke has slipped a bit. Up front SRL doesn't look fit and nearly everyone in our midfeld has ben badly hacked in recent games and injuries have been commonplace.Dejan seems to get crocked every game despite recent noises to contrary MP has already derided the Europa League--quite rightly. Season not yet over but I might just as well be.
Lets face it we are pretty much marooned I 9th. It was a mistake to not go for what could have been an easy FA Cup run all the way. Now with nothing to play for it is no real surprise that the early season performances are dipping. Collectively the defence have all been misfiring even wunderkid Luke has slipped a bit. Up front SRL doesn't look fit and nearly everyone in our midfeld has ben badly hacked in recent games and injuries have been commonplace.Dejan seems to get crocked every game despite recent noises to contrary MP has already derided the Europa League--quite rightly. Season not yet over but I might just as well be. redsnapper
  • Score: -2

9:34pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Santa Retfordia says...

redsnapper wrote:
Lets face it we are pretty much marooned I 9th. It was a mistake to not go for what could have been an easy FA Cup run all the way. Now with nothing to play for it is no real surprise that the early season performances are dipping. Collectively the defence have all been misfiring even wunderkid Luke has slipped a bit. Up front SRL doesn't look fit and nearly everyone in our midfeld has ben badly hacked in recent games and injuries have been commonplace.Dejan seems to get crocked every game despite recent noises to contrary MP has already derided the Europa League--quite rightly. Season not yet over but I might just as well be.
I sort of agree but we can definitely finish above the Geordies and I'm not writing United off yet either. I can't imagine them pulling away tomorrow.
[quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: Lets face it we are pretty much marooned I 9th. It was a mistake to not go for what could have been an easy FA Cup run all the way. Now with nothing to play for it is no real surprise that the early season performances are dipping. Collectively the defence have all been misfiring even wunderkid Luke has slipped a bit. Up front SRL doesn't look fit and nearly everyone in our midfeld has ben badly hacked in recent games and injuries have been commonplace.Dejan seems to get crocked every game despite recent noises to contrary MP has already derided the Europa League--quite rightly. Season not yet over but I might just as well be.[/p][/quote]I sort of agree but we can definitely finish above the Geordies and I'm not writing United off yet either. I can't imagine them pulling away tomorrow. Santa Retfordia
  • Score: 0

9:54pm Mon 24 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Emsworthsaint wrote:
OK all of you - gutting to loose 2-3 twice to them this season, so HOW do we beat Newcastle and what player changes would YOU make. I'm listening...
Tricky, I would start with Artur in goal, Luke and Chambo at full back, Jose and Dejan at CB, Cork, Davis Spider (or JWP), & Rambo in MF, JRod and Lala up front. Use Lambo as a Sub. at some time. Controversial but I think it might work.
[quote][p][bold]Emsworthsaint[/bold] wrote: OK all of you - gutting to loose 2-3 twice to them this season, so HOW do we beat Newcastle and what player changes would YOU make. I'm listening...[/p][/quote]Tricky, I would start with Artur in goal, Luke and Chambo at full back, Jose and Dejan at CB, Cork, Davis Spider (or JWP), & Rambo in MF, JRod and Lala up front. Use Lambo as a Sub. at some time. Controversial but I think it might work. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

3:14am Tue 25 Mar 14

SiamSaint says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
mbetts wrote:
We've gone backwards recently earlier in the season our pressing game was winning points and high praise now our defending is reminiscent of early last season and our midfield are being regularly out fought especially during the second half yesterday.
We know this.
He still has a right to say it. Maybe it's stating the bleeding obvious, but still, it's a valid opinion.

We know we know this
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mbetts[/bold] wrote: We've gone backwards recently earlier in the season our pressing game was winning points and high praise now our defending is reminiscent of early last season and our midfield are being regularly out fought especially during the second half yesterday.[/p][/quote]We know this.[/p][/quote]He still has a right to say it. Maybe it's stating the bleeding obvious, but still, it's a valid opinion. We know we know this SiamSaint
  • Score: 0

3:14am Tue 25 Mar 14

SiamSaint says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
mbetts wrote:
We've gone backwards recently earlier in the season our pressing game was winning points and high praise now our defending is reminiscent of early last season and our midfield are being regularly out fought especially during the second half yesterday.
We know this.
He still has a right to say it. Maybe it's stating the bleeding obvious, but still, it's a valid opinion.

We know we know this
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mbetts[/bold] wrote: We've gone backwards recently earlier in the season our pressing game was winning points and high praise now our defending is reminiscent of early last season and our midfield are being regularly out fought especially during the second half yesterday.[/p][/quote]We know this.[/p][/quote]He still has a right to say it. Maybe it's stating the bleeding obvious, but still, it's a valid opinion. We know we know this SiamSaint
  • Score: 0

3:22am Tue 25 Mar 14

SiamSaint says...

jezza wrote:
It is our second year in the Premiership, a season when historically, most newly promoted sides are found wanting and really struggle to escape the relegation battle.

We went to a side who are consistently top 8, who have spent vastly more money on players than we have, and who have a real incentive to get results now, rather than build for the future.

But we scared them. And we scared them proper. They didn't get past us until the 92nd minute, and their fans had all but given up on doing so.

Disapointing? Yes. Reason for pessimism? Not at all.

We are ninth and 6 points behind Man U. How many of the people calling the club's current performance "unacceptable" hold betting slips for either of those?

COYS - STID
That's a good post. We have consolidated exceptionally well and thoroughly deserve our place in the league. Are we better than anyone above us? We do play nicer footie than a few of them but we now need to learn exactly how to march on. The decision to bring in Osdildo was possibly the worst Poch has made but hey, didn;t we all get excited at the time? And wqe may even make a few quid on him. Am 100 per cent sure that next summer's marquee signing will be a goodie (no, not either Bill, Tim or Graham!). In Poch we trust!
[quote][p][bold]jezza[/bold] wrote: It is our second year in the Premiership, a season when historically, most newly promoted sides are found wanting and really struggle to escape the relegation battle. We went to a side who are consistently top 8, who have spent vastly more money on players than we have, and who have a real incentive to get results now, rather than build for the future. But we scared them. And we scared them proper. They didn't get past us until the 92nd minute, and their fans had all but given up on doing so. Disapointing? Yes. Reason for pessimism? Not at all. We are ninth and 6 points behind Man U. How many of the people calling the club's current performance "unacceptable" hold betting slips for either of those? COYS - STID[/p][/quote]That's a good post. We have consolidated exceptionally well and thoroughly deserve our place in the league. Are we better than anyone above us? We do play nicer footie than a few of them but we now need to learn exactly how to march on. The decision to bring in Osdildo was possibly the worst Poch has made but hey, didn;t we all get excited at the time? And wqe may even make a few quid on him. Am 100 per cent sure that next summer's marquee signing will be a goodie (no, not either Bill, Tim or Graham!). In Poch we trust! SiamSaint
  • Score: 0

3:22am Tue 25 Mar 14

SiamSaint says...

jezza wrote:
It is our second year in the Premiership, a season when historically, most newly promoted sides are found wanting and really struggle to escape the relegation battle.

We went to a side who are consistently top 8, who have spent vastly more money on players than we have, and who have a real incentive to get results now, rather than build for the future.

But we scared them. And we scared them proper. They didn't get past us until the 92nd minute, and their fans had all but given up on doing so.

Disapointing? Yes. Reason for pessimism? Not at all.

We are ninth and 6 points behind Man U. How many of the people calling the club's current performance "unacceptable" hold betting slips for either of those?

COYS - STID
That's a good post. We have consolidated exceptionally well and thoroughly deserve our place in the league. Are we better than anyone above us? We do play nicer footie than a few of them but we now need to learn exactly how to march on. The decision to bring in Osdildo was possibly the worst Poch has made but hey, didn;t we all get excited at the time? And wqe may even make a few quid on him. Am 100 per cent sure that next summer's marquee signing will be a goodie (no, not either Bill, Tim or Graham!). In Poch we trust!
[quote][p][bold]jezza[/bold] wrote: It is our second year in the Premiership, a season when historically, most newly promoted sides are found wanting and really struggle to escape the relegation battle. We went to a side who are consistently top 8, who have spent vastly more money on players than we have, and who have a real incentive to get results now, rather than build for the future. But we scared them. And we scared them proper. They didn't get past us until the 92nd minute, and their fans had all but given up on doing so. Disapointing? Yes. Reason for pessimism? Not at all. We are ninth and 6 points behind Man U. How many of the people calling the club's current performance "unacceptable" hold betting slips for either of those? COYS - STID[/p][/quote]That's a good post. We have consolidated exceptionally well and thoroughly deserve our place in the league. Are we better than anyone above us? We do play nicer footie than a few of them but we now need to learn exactly how to march on. The decision to bring in Osdildo was possibly the worst Poch has made but hey, didn;t we all get excited at the time? And wqe may even make a few quid on him. Am 100 per cent sure that next summer's marquee signing will be a goodie (no, not either Bill, Tim or Graham!). In Poch we trust! SiamSaint
  • Score: 0

3:52am Tue 25 Mar 14

SiamSaint says...

RealTalkSouthampton wrote:
Watched the games against spuds and we weren't unluckly...

Simple truth is we lack experience and quality. Our system is fine and the manager has enough quality. The team carries lambert to much. Our defensive is probably the strongest part of the team, but then you need good protection from the midfield. A yaya toure type player in midfield and tevez type upfront is what we need.

Plus a few subs that can change the game...

Would be nice for the club to disclose it's ambition because as arsenal have shown your can't win anything with youngsters alone. So we either need to build with patients or buy success!
Yes, but as Dejan showed, coming back from injury too soon might not be the best thing. So let's be patient with those patients!
[quote][p][bold]RealTalkSouthampton[/bold] wrote: Watched the games against spuds and we weren't unluckly... Simple truth is we lack experience and quality. Our system is fine and the manager has enough quality. The team carries lambert to much. Our defensive is probably the strongest part of the team, but then you need good protection from the midfield. A yaya toure type player in midfield and tevez type upfront is what we need. Plus a few subs that can change the game... Would be nice for the club to disclose it's ambition because as arsenal have shown your can't win anything with youngsters alone. So we either need to build with patients or buy success![/p][/quote]Yes, but as Dejan showed, coming back from injury too soon might not be the best thing. So let's be patient with those patients! SiamSaint
  • Score: 0

9:02am Tue 25 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

SiamSaint wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
mbetts wrote:
We've gone backwards recently earlier in the season our pressing game was winning points and high praise now our defending is reminiscent of early last season and our midfield are being regularly out fought especially during the second half yesterday.
We know this.
He still has a right to say it. Maybe it's stating the bleeding obvious, but still, it's a valid opinion.

We know we know this
We know we know this twice as much now.
[quote][p][bold]SiamSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mbetts[/bold] wrote: We've gone backwards recently earlier in the season our pressing game was winning points and high praise now our defending is reminiscent of early last season and our midfield are being regularly out fought especially during the second half yesterday.[/p][/quote]We know this.[/p][/quote]He still has a right to say it. Maybe it's stating the bleeding obvious, but still, it's a valid opinion. We know we know this[/p][/quote]We know we know this twice as much now. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

9:08am Tue 25 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
mbetts wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
mbetts wrote:
We've gone backwards recently earlier in the season our pressing game was winning points and high praise now our defending is reminiscent of early last season and our midfield are being regularly out fought especially during the second half yesterday.
We know this.
Are you a teacher? All you seem to do is mark other peoples quotes, technically anybody who saw yesterdays match knows the entire above story, I was just offering my opinion on what I saw, what was yours?
He is the all-knowing pedantic poster. Whatever you do don’t make a spelling or grammatical error or you will feel the lashings of his tongue, via his keyboard of course.
What worries me is that criticism of spelling or grammar(aside from being rude),doesn't encourage people to post,if they are constantly in fear of being pulled up for it,which is a bad thing.
Considering the modern use of phonetic teaching,and text speak,the standard of English grammar on these posts,is always very high,but it wouldn't matter if it wasn't,as long as people are happy to put over their point of view without fear of rebuke.
Seriously, words can't hurt anyone, I would hate people not to post for fear of being picked on for spelling and grammar errors, not my intention at all, but if they are going to post anti Saints b/s and get it wrong then its's an opportunity to point out the error of their ways without resorting to abuse which is the norm. The "lazy" post above doesn't deserve to be treated with any thing bar contempt, SaintJD's response will suffice.
I don't agree with you Osprey that "words can't hurt anyone". Cyber bullying is one of the biggest problems there is on the internet, widely acknowledged as causing distress and worse to many people.
Not everyone is blessed with the talent for expressing themselves in Shakespearian quality prose,but that doesn't make their contributions any less valid for that.
Good point well made, It is so difficult to tease when some people take things too seriously, the problem lies a bit in people who are disingenuous and deliberately post messages that are clearly in breach of site rules, do you think I should drop my cheeky responses? Leave the site to Trolls and WUMs to go unchallenged?
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mbetts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mbetts[/bold] wrote: We've gone backwards recently earlier in the season our pressing game was winning points and high praise now our defending is reminiscent of early last season and our midfield are being regularly out fought especially during the second half yesterday.[/p][/quote]We know this.[/p][/quote]Are you a teacher? All you seem to do is mark other peoples quotes, technically anybody who saw yesterdays match knows the entire above story, I was just offering my opinion on what I saw, what was yours?[/p][/quote]He is the all-knowing pedantic poster. Whatever you do don’t make a spelling or grammatical error or you will feel the lashings of his tongue, via his keyboard of course.[/p][/quote]What worries me is that criticism of spelling or grammar(aside from being rude),doesn't encourage people to post,if they are constantly in fear of being pulled up for it,which is a bad thing. Considering the modern use of phonetic teaching,and text speak,the standard of English grammar on these posts,is always very high,but it wouldn't matter if it wasn't,as long as people are happy to put over their point of view without fear of rebuke.[/p][/quote]Seriously, words can't hurt anyone, I would hate people not to post for fear of being picked on for spelling and grammar errors, not my intention at all, but if they are going to post anti Saints b/s and get it wrong then its's an opportunity to point out the error of their ways without resorting to abuse which is the norm. The "lazy" post above doesn't deserve to be treated with any thing bar contempt, SaintJD's response will suffice.[/p][/quote]I don't agree with you Osprey that "words can't hurt anyone". Cyber bullying is one of the biggest problems there is on the internet, widely acknowledged as causing distress and worse to many people. Not everyone is blessed with the talent for expressing themselves in Shakespearian quality prose,but that doesn't make their contributions any less valid for that.[/p][/quote]Good point well made, It is so difficult to tease when some people take things too seriously, the problem lies a bit in people who are disingenuous and deliberately post messages that are clearly in breach of site rules, do you think I should drop my cheeky responses? Leave the site to Trolls and WUMs to go unchallenged? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

9:52am Tue 25 Mar 14

warrens 76 says...

Several posters pointed out earlier in the season that the high pressing game could take it's toll later in the season, injuries, effort expended and so on..they were right.

Never forget that under NA we still were good with possession but a liability when we lost it…how many games did we lose when the opposition only had one, two or in the case of Reading three chance…

What we are seeing is an unfortunate resurrection of our weakness's over the last four years, because when we stop pressing we come under pressure which we simply cannot handle…ironically if our defense becomes solid we will score a lot more to boot.

Breaking at speed without the lurking fear of always conceeding even when two goals up (FFS) will of itself produce more goals…

So who has to go assuming we keep all the players we need and we have £35 million to spend assuming Osvaldo goes …who goes and who should come in...
Several posters pointed out earlier in the season that the high pressing game could take it's toll later in the season, injuries, effort expended and so on..they were right. Never forget that under NA we still were good with possession but a liability when we lost it…how many games did we lose when the opposition only had one, two or in the case of Reading three chance… What we are seeing is an unfortunate resurrection of our weakness's over the last four years, because when we stop pressing we come under pressure which we simply cannot handle…ironically if our defense becomes solid we will score a lot more to boot. Breaking at speed without the lurking fear of always conceeding even when two goals up (FFS) will of itself produce more goals… So who has to go assuming we keep all the players we need and we have £35 million to spend assuming Osvaldo goes …who goes and who should come in... warrens 76
  • Score: 0

9:52am Tue 25 Mar 14

SiamSaint says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
SiamSaint wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
mbetts wrote:
We've gone backwards recently earlier in the season our pressing game was winning points and high praise now our defending is reminiscent of early last season and our midfield are being regularly out fought especially during the second half yesterday.
We know this.
He still has a right to say it. Maybe it's stating the bleeding obvious, but still, it's a valid opinion.

We know we know this
We know we know this twice as much now.
To be sure, to be sure
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SiamSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mbetts[/bold] wrote: We've gone backwards recently earlier in the season our pressing game was winning points and high praise now our defending is reminiscent of early last season and our midfield are being regularly out fought especially during the second half yesterday.[/p][/quote]We know this.[/p][/quote]He still has a right to say it. Maybe it's stating the bleeding obvious, but still, it's a valid opinion. We know we know this[/p][/quote]We know we know this twice as much now.[/p][/quote]To be sure, to be sure SiamSaint
  • Score: 1

10:40am Tue 25 Mar 14

Positively4thStreet says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
mbetts wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
mbetts wrote:
We've gone backwards recently earlier in the season our pressing game was winning points and high praise now our defending is reminiscent of early last season and our midfield are being regularly out fought especially during the second half yesterday.
We know this.
Are you a teacher? All you seem to do is mark other peoples quotes, technically anybody who saw yesterdays match knows the entire above story, I was just offering my opinion on what I saw, what was yours?
He is the all-knowing pedantic poster. Whatever you do don’t make a spelling or grammatical error or you will feel the lashings of his tongue, via his keyboard of course.
What worries me is that criticism of spelling or grammar(aside from being rude),doesn't encourage people to post,if they are constantly in fear of being pulled up for it,which is a bad thing.
Considering the modern use of phonetic teaching,and text speak,the standard of English grammar on these posts,is always very high,but it wouldn't matter if it wasn't,as long as people are happy to put over their point of view without fear of rebuke.
Seriously, words can't hurt anyone, I would hate people not to post for fear of being picked on for spelling and grammar errors, not my intention at all, but if they are going to post anti Saints b/s and get it wrong then its's an opportunity to point out the error of their ways without resorting to abuse which is the norm. The "lazy" post above doesn't deserve to be treated with any thing bar contempt, SaintJD's response will suffice.
I don't agree with you Osprey that "words can't hurt anyone". Cyber bullying is one of the biggest problems there is on the internet, widely acknowledged as causing distress and worse to many people.
Not everyone is blessed with the talent for expressing themselves in Shakespearian quality prose,but that doesn't make their contributions any less valid for that.
Good point well made, It is so difficult to tease when some people take things too seriously, the problem lies a bit in people who are disingenuous and deliberately post messages that are clearly in breach of site rules, do you think I should drop my cheeky responses? Leave the site to Trolls and WUMs to go unchallenged?
Got no probs with the cheeky posts Osprey,they make me smile,and no probs picking up trolls on their spelling,that's all in the game,but all Damoose did was spell Lovren... Lovern, which may just have been a typo.
English grammar is amazingly good fun if you are that way inclined,and you could spend hours constructing,or deconstructing just one sentence if you wanted to,to polish it up,but not everyone does,so its not mandatory,just to take part in a discussion on a newspaper thread
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mbetts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mbetts[/bold] wrote: We've gone backwards recently earlier in the season our pressing game was winning points and high praise now our defending is reminiscent of early last season and our midfield are being regularly out fought especially during the second half yesterday.[/p][/quote]We know this.[/p][/quote]Are you a teacher? All you seem to do is mark other peoples quotes, technically anybody who saw yesterdays match knows the entire above story, I was just offering my opinion on what I saw, what was yours?[/p][/quote]He is the all-knowing pedantic poster. Whatever you do don’t make a spelling or grammatical error or you will feel the lashings of his tongue, via his keyboard of course.[/p][/quote]What worries me is that criticism of spelling or grammar(aside from being rude),doesn't encourage people to post,if they are constantly in fear of being pulled up for it,which is a bad thing. Considering the modern use of phonetic teaching,and text speak,the standard of English grammar on these posts,is always very high,but it wouldn't matter if it wasn't,as long as people are happy to put over their point of view without fear of rebuke.[/p][/quote]Seriously, words can't hurt anyone, I would hate people not to post for fear of being picked on for spelling and grammar errors, not my intention at all, but if they are going to post anti Saints b/s and get it wrong then its's an opportunity to point out the error of their ways without resorting to abuse which is the norm. The "lazy" post above doesn't deserve to be treated with any thing bar contempt, SaintJD's response will suffice.[/p][/quote]I don't agree with you Osprey that "words can't hurt anyone". Cyber bullying is one of the biggest problems there is on the internet, widely acknowledged as causing distress and worse to many people. Not everyone is blessed with the talent for expressing themselves in Shakespearian quality prose,but that doesn't make their contributions any less valid for that.[/p][/quote]Good point well made, It is so difficult to tease when some people take things too seriously, the problem lies a bit in people who are disingenuous and deliberately post messages that are clearly in breach of site rules, do you think I should drop my cheeky responses? Leave the site to Trolls and WUMs to go unchallenged?[/p][/quote]Got no probs with the cheeky posts Osprey,they make me smile,and no probs picking up trolls on their spelling,that's all in the game,but all Damoose did was spell Lovren... Lovern, which may just have been a typo. English grammar is amazingly good fun if you are that way inclined,and you could spend hours constructing,or deconstructing just one sentence if you wanted to,to polish it up,but not everyone does,so its not mandatory,just to take part in a discussion on a newspaper thread Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 1

12:56pm Tue 25 Mar 14

SaintJD says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
mbetts wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
mbetts wrote:
We've gone backwards recently earlier in the season our pressing game was winning points and high praise now our defending is reminiscent of early last season and our midfield are being regularly out fought especially during the second half yesterday.
We know this.
Are you a teacher? All you seem to do is mark other peoples quotes, technically anybody who saw yesterdays match knows the entire above story, I was just offering my opinion on what I saw, what was yours?
He is the all-knowing pedantic poster. Whatever you do don’t make a spelling or grammatical error or you will feel the lashings of his tongue, via his keyboard of course.
What worries me is that criticism of spelling or grammar(aside from being rude),doesn't encourage people to post,if they are constantly in fear of being pulled up for it,which is a bad thing.
Considering the modern use of phonetic teaching,and text speak,the standard of English grammar on these posts,is always very high,but it wouldn't matter if it wasn't,as long as people are happy to put over their point of view without fear of rebuke.
Seriously, words can't hurt anyone, I would hate people not to post for fear of being picked on for spelling and grammar errors, not my intention at all, but if they are going to post anti Saints b/s and get it wrong then its's an opportunity to point out the error of their ways without resorting to abuse which is the norm. The "lazy" post above doesn't deserve to be treated with any thing bar contempt, SaintJD's response will suffice.
I don't agree with you Osprey that "words can't hurt anyone". Cyber bullying is one of the biggest problems there is on the internet, widely acknowledged as causing distress and worse to many people.
Not everyone is blessed with the talent for expressing themselves in Shakespearian quality prose,but that doesn't make their contributions any less valid for that.
Good point well made, It is so difficult to tease when some people take things too seriously, the problem lies a bit in people who are disingenuous and deliberately post messages that are clearly in breach of site rules, do you think I should drop my cheeky responses? Leave the site to Trolls and WUMs to go unchallenged?
Got no probs with the cheeky posts Osprey,they make me smile,and no probs picking up trolls on their spelling,that's all in the game,but all Damoose did was spell Lovren... Lovern, which may just have been a typo.
English grammar is amazingly good fun if you are that way inclined,and you could spend hours constructing,or deconstructing just one sentence if you wanted to,to polish it up,but not everyone does,so its not mandatory,just to take part in a discussion on a newspaper thread
One other thing about cyber bullying before we close this discussion. I don't think you can call any of Osprey's posts that I've ever read even mildly hurtful.

However, I do think that certain people automatically posting thumbs down to every post from a particular poster can potentially be judged in that way (and I'm not referencing either of you here.

A forum is all about active debate but I don't think it's good to single out some of the most active and productive posters on this site - although it's probably a compliment likely coming from the blue few.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mbetts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mbetts[/bold] wrote: We've gone backwards recently earlier in the season our pressing game was winning points and high praise now our defending is reminiscent of early last season and our midfield are being regularly out fought especially during the second half yesterday.[/p][/quote]We know this.[/p][/quote]Are you a teacher? All you seem to do is mark other peoples quotes, technically anybody who saw yesterdays match knows the entire above story, I was just offering my opinion on what I saw, what was yours?[/p][/quote]He is the all-knowing pedantic poster. Whatever you do don’t make a spelling or grammatical error or you will feel the lashings of his tongue, via his keyboard of course.[/p][/quote]What worries me is that criticism of spelling or grammar(aside from being rude),doesn't encourage people to post,if they are constantly in fear of being pulled up for it,which is a bad thing. Considering the modern use of phonetic teaching,and text speak,the standard of English grammar on these posts,is always very high,but it wouldn't matter if it wasn't,as long as people are happy to put over their point of view without fear of rebuke.[/p][/quote]Seriously, words can't hurt anyone, I would hate people not to post for fear of being picked on for spelling and grammar errors, not my intention at all, but if they are going to post anti Saints b/s and get it wrong then its's an opportunity to point out the error of their ways without resorting to abuse which is the norm. The "lazy" post above doesn't deserve to be treated with any thing bar contempt, SaintJD's response will suffice.[/p][/quote]I don't agree with you Osprey that "words can't hurt anyone". Cyber bullying is one of the biggest problems there is on the internet, widely acknowledged as causing distress and worse to many people. Not everyone is blessed with the talent for expressing themselves in Shakespearian quality prose,but that doesn't make their contributions any less valid for that.[/p][/quote]Good point well made, It is so difficult to tease when some people take things too seriously, the problem lies a bit in people who are disingenuous and deliberately post messages that are clearly in breach of site rules, do you think I should drop my cheeky responses? Leave the site to Trolls and WUMs to go unchallenged?[/p][/quote]Got no probs with the cheeky posts Osprey,they make me smile,and no probs picking up trolls on their spelling,that's all in the game,but all Damoose did was spell Lovren... Lovern, which may just have been a typo. English grammar is amazingly good fun if you are that way inclined,and you could spend hours constructing,or deconstructing just one sentence if you wanted to,to polish it up,but not everyone does,so its not mandatory,just to take part in a discussion on a newspaper thread[/p][/quote]One other thing about cyber bullying before we close this discussion. I don't think you can call any of Osprey's posts that I've ever read even mildly hurtful. However, I do think that certain people automatically posting thumbs down to every post from a particular poster can potentially be judged in that way (and I'm not referencing either of you here. A forum is all about active debate but I don't think it's good to single out some of the most active and productive posters on this site - although it's probably a compliment likely coming from the blue few. SaintJD
  • Score: 0

5:04pm Tue 25 Mar 14

espanuel says...

Norwegian Saint wrote:
Just about all Saints goals conceded have all come from either our own mistakes or a referees error.
Two of the three v Spurs, Both v Norwich, All three against Liverpool.... the list goes on and on back to Borucs riverdance performance at Arsenal.
I would like to see one more defender, one more striker and one more keeper.

For the rest of the season we may as well blood youngsters like Reed and start with Sam

Hate bogey teams beginning with "S"
Spurs Lost twice
Stoke Drew twice
Sunderland Drew twice lost twice
(Only one we won was Swansea at home)
I think the keeper was at fault on Sunday and has been throughout the season on some games that we should have come away as winners.
[quote][p][bold]Norwegian Saint[/bold] wrote: Just about all Saints goals conceded have all come from either our own mistakes or a referees error. Two of the three v Spurs, Both v Norwich, All three against Liverpool.... the list goes on and on back to Borucs riverdance performance at Arsenal. I would like to see one more defender, one more striker and one more keeper. For the rest of the season we may as well blood youngsters like Reed and start with Sam Hate bogey teams beginning with "S" Spurs Lost twice Stoke Drew twice Sunderland Drew twice lost twice (Only one we won was Swansea at home)[/p][/quote]I think the keeper was at fault on Sunday and has been throughout the season on some games that we should have come away as winners. espanuel
  • Score: 0

7:30pm Tue 25 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
mbetts wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
mbetts wrote:
We've gone backwards recently earlier in the season our pressing game was winning points and high praise now our defending is reminiscent of early last season and our midfield are being regularly out fought especially during the second half yesterday.
We know this.
Are you a teacher? All you seem to do is mark other peoples quotes, technically anybody who saw yesterdays match knows the entire above story, I was just offering my opinion on what I saw, what was yours?
He is the all-knowing pedantic poster. Whatever you do don’t make a spelling or grammatical error or you will feel the lashings of his tongue, via his keyboard of course.
What worries me is that criticism of spelling or grammar(aside from being rude),doesn't encourage people to post,if they are constantly in fear of being pulled up for it,which is a bad thing.
Considering the modern use of phonetic teaching,and text speak,the standard of English grammar on these posts,is always very high,but it wouldn't matter if it wasn't,as long as people are happy to put over their point of view without fear of rebuke.
Seriously, words can't hurt anyone, I would hate people not to post for fear of being picked on for spelling and grammar errors, not my intention at all, but if they are going to post anti Saints b/s and get it wrong then its's an opportunity to point out the error of their ways without resorting to abuse which is the norm. The "lazy" post above doesn't deserve to be treated with any thing bar contempt, SaintJD's response will suffice.
I don't agree with you Osprey that "words can't hurt anyone". Cyber bullying is one of the biggest problems there is on the internet, widely acknowledged as causing distress and worse to many people.
Not everyone is blessed with the talent for expressing themselves in Shakespearian quality prose,but that doesn't make their contributions any less valid for that.
Good point well made, It is so difficult to tease when some people take things too seriously, the problem lies a bit in people who are disingenuous and deliberately post messages that are clearly in breach of site rules, do you think I should drop my cheeky responses? Leave the site to Trolls and WUMs to go unchallenged?
Got no probs with the cheeky posts Osprey,they make me smile,and no probs picking up trolls on their spelling,that's all in the game,but all Damoose did was spell Lovren... Lovern, which may just have been a typo.
English grammar is amazingly good fun if you are that way inclined,and you could spend hours constructing,or deconstructing just one sentence if you wanted to,to polish it up,but not everyone does,so its not mandatory,just to take part in a discussion on a newspaper thread
Fair do's but Damoose did post a couple of duff ones, got mega thumbed down! Not by me!
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mbetts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mbetts[/bold] wrote: We've gone backwards recently earlier in the season our pressing game was winning points and high praise now our defending is reminiscent of early last season and our midfield are being regularly out fought especially during the second half yesterday.[/p][/quote]We know this.[/p][/quote]Are you a teacher? All you seem to do is mark other peoples quotes, technically anybody who saw yesterdays match knows the entire above story, I was just offering my opinion on what I saw, what was yours?[/p][/quote]He is the all-knowing pedantic poster. Whatever you do don’t make a spelling or grammatical error or you will feel the lashings of his tongue, via his keyboard of course.[/p][/quote]What worries me is that criticism of spelling or grammar(aside from being rude),doesn't encourage people to post,if they are constantly in fear of being pulled up for it,which is a bad thing. Considering the modern use of phonetic teaching,and text speak,the standard of English grammar on these posts,is always very high,but it wouldn't matter if it wasn't,as long as people are happy to put over their point of view without fear of rebuke.[/p][/quote]Seriously, words can't hurt anyone, I would hate people not to post for fear of being picked on for spelling and grammar errors, not my intention at all, but if they are going to post anti Saints b/s and get it wrong then its's an opportunity to point out the error of their ways without resorting to abuse which is the norm. The "lazy" post above doesn't deserve to be treated with any thing bar contempt, SaintJD's response will suffice.[/p][/quote]I don't agree with you Osprey that "words can't hurt anyone". Cyber bullying is one of the biggest problems there is on the internet, widely acknowledged as causing distress and worse to many people. Not everyone is blessed with the talent for expressing themselves in Shakespearian quality prose,but that doesn't make their contributions any less valid for that.[/p][/quote]Good point well made, It is so difficult to tease when some people take things too seriously, the problem lies a bit in people who are disingenuous and deliberately post messages that are clearly in breach of site rules, do you think I should drop my cheeky responses? Leave the site to Trolls and WUMs to go unchallenged?[/p][/quote]Got no probs with the cheeky posts Osprey,they make me smile,and no probs picking up trolls on their spelling,that's all in the game,but all Damoose did was spell Lovren... Lovern, which may just have been a typo. English grammar is amazingly good fun if you are that way inclined,and you could spend hours constructing,or deconstructing just one sentence if you wanted to,to polish it up,but not everyone does,so its not mandatory,just to take part in a discussion on a newspaper thread[/p][/quote]Fair do's but Damoose did post a couple of duff ones, got mega thumbed down! Not by me! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

7:48pm Tue 25 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

I see Manure are off to a flying stop, Citeh 1 up in the first minute Dzeko
I see Manure are off to a flying stop, Citeh 1 up in the first minute Dzeko OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

10:07pm Tue 25 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Citeh 3 0 ft Everton 3 0 ft, Arse 2 2 ft
Citeh 3 0 ft Everton 3 0 ft, Arse 2 2 ft OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

12:10pm Wed 26 Mar 14

mbetts says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Citeh 3 0 ft Everton 3 0 ft, Arse 2 2 ft
We know this! :-)
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Citeh 3 0 ft Everton 3 0 ft, Arse 2 2 ft[/p][/quote]We know this! :-) mbetts
  • Score: 0

11:09am Thu 27 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

mbetts wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Citeh 3 0 ft Everton 3 0 ft, Arse 2 2 ft
We know this! :-)
You heard it here second!
[quote][p][bold]mbetts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Citeh 3 0 ft Everton 3 0 ft, Arse 2 2 ft[/p][/quote]We know this! :-)[/p][/quote]You heard it here second! OSPREYSAINT
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