Spurs prove Poch point

Mauricio Pochettino

Mauricio Pochettino

First published in Sport

MAURICIO Pochettino’s claim that the Europa League would “kill” Saints is backed up by this weekend’s opponents Tottenham.

The Saints boss recently admitted that he was not a fan of the secondary European club competition due to it clogging up a Premier League fixture list.

Pochettino, pictured below, said the tournament can have a negative effect on a club’s league performance – and Tottenham are a perfect example of that.

The north Londoners have a dreadful Premier League record in games following a Europa League game this season.

Saints travel to White Hart Lane on Sunday, the game having been moved back 24 hours as Tottenham were in Europa action in Benfica last night.

And they will be hoping that Tottenham’s European exertions will once again have a negative impact on their form on Sunday.

Pochettino’s side have a strong away record – with a club Premier League record six wins already – and there is plenty of reason for supporters to feel optimistic of another success.

That is because it has been in the immediate aftermath of Tottenham’s trips to the continent that they have been most vulnerable this season.

Of their nine Premier League defeats, six have come in their first match after returning from Europa League action.

Spurs’ record in those games makes for dismal reading.

In 11 matches, eight of which have been at home, they have won only four times – all by a score of 1-0.

They have failed to score in six, while they have managed more than a single strike just once, in a 2-2 home draw with Manchester United.

The six goals they have scored is dwarfed by the 14 they have conceded in that spell.

It is when analysing Tottenham’s points-per-game tally that the contrast in form becomes most stark.

In their 11 games immediately following a Europa League match, Spurs have averaged 1.18 points.

In their other 19 Premier League matches this season, the total stands at 2.11.

Pochettino said last month, when asked about the club’s European ambitions: “In my opinion the Europa League is not an attractive competition.

“I think it is a competition that kills you in the sense that there are a lot of mid-table teams that put a lot of effort into the Europa League and then are not able to do anything in the league.”

The teams who finish fifth and sixth in the Premier League this season will qualify for next season’s Europa League.

The FA Cup winners will also qualify. If Arsenal win the Cup and claim a top-four place, the FA Cup runners-up will qualify for the Europa League instead.

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6:11am Fri 21 Mar 14

JohnItaly says...

Weekend off to a bad start. Lawro as us down as a win! He obviously doesn't know it is being televised - that alone is usually sufficient to guarantee a defeat. Time for a change I think - Lawro being right and Saints putting to bed the jinx of losing when being on live TV.
Weekend off to a bad start. Lawro as us down as a win! He obviously doesn't know it is being televised - that alone is usually sufficient to guarantee a defeat. Time for a change I think - Lawro being right and Saints putting to bed the jinx of losing when being on live TV. JohnItaly
  • Score: 12

7:31am Fri 21 Mar 14

Chipmonk1 says...

JohnItaly wrote:
Weekend off to a bad start. Lawro as us down as a win! He obviously doesn't know it is being televised - that alone is usually sufficient to guarantee a defeat. Time for a change I think - Lawro being right and Saints putting to bed the jinx of losing when being on live TV.
Well given that two negatives make a positive we are certainties to win but then again two wrongs don't make a right. Put me down for a 1 1 draw. I'm confused.
[quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: Weekend off to a bad start. Lawro as us down as a win! He obviously doesn't know it is being televised - that alone is usually sufficient to guarantee a defeat. Time for a change I think - Lawro being right and Saints putting to bed the jinx of losing when being on live TV.[/p][/quote]Well given that two negatives make a positive we are certainties to win but then again two wrongs don't make a right. Put me down for a 1 1 draw. I'm confused. Chipmonk1
  • Score: 3

8:03am Fri 21 Mar 14

franiow says...

Let's hope the Euro jinx continues.
Let's hope the Euro jinx continues. franiow
  • Score: 4

8:11am Fri 21 Mar 14

SaintinCanada says...

To all the Saints fans that made me and my wife so welcome at the Palace game, and helping me re-kindle the joy of being part of a passionate crowd, I say THANK YOU. It is indeed a privilage to be one of us.

TV......and an early beer for me on Sunday awaits. What a great time to be a Saints fan, and wish I could lose my vocal chords in London again.
To all the Saints fans that made me and my wife so welcome at the Palace game, and helping me re-kindle the joy of being part of a passionate crowd, I say THANK YOU. It is indeed a privilage to be one of us. TV......and an early beer for me on Sunday awaits. What a great time to be a Saints fan, and wish I could lose my vocal chords in London again. SaintinCanada
  • Score: 23

8:51am Fri 21 Mar 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

I wish he'd stop being anti the Europa league. If and when we do qualify then send Jesus in charge of a team consisting of the likes of Gazza, Targett, Guly, Hoover, Yoshida, Reed, Isgrove, Chambers/Clyne (which ever one isn't in the first team at the time) and any players needing match time or returning from injury. It doesn't need to have any negative impact.
I wish he'd stop being anti the Europa league. If and when we do qualify then send Jesus in charge of a team consisting of the likes of Gazza, Targett, Guly, Hoover, Yoshida, Reed, Isgrove, Chambers/Clyne (which ever one isn't in the first team at the time) and any players needing match time or returning from injury. It doesn't need to have any negative impact. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 8

8:52am Fri 21 Mar 14

Chipster says...

SaintinCanada wrote:
To all the Saints fans that made me and my wife so welcome at the Palace game, and helping me re-kindle the joy of being part of a passionate crowd, I say THANK YOU. It is indeed a privilage to be one of us.

TV......and an early beer for me on Sunday awaits. What a great time to be a Saints fan, and wish I could lose my vocal chords in London again.
Good to know you had a great time at Palace, went there when we were in the Championship, reminded me of the old Dell, such happy days!
We have family in Prince George BC, my sister-in-law has a grandson who's well into "soccer" and wanted a Saints "away" shirt, unfortunately the club shop has sold out as it's too far into the season. So I'm sending him one of my old shirts in the traditional "red and white stripes" which in my opinion is what our home shirt should always be. Another Saints fan in the making? I hope so!
As for tomorrow, the Spuds lost last night so hopefully should be knackered for the game. Forget that Sky cameras are there, we'll be okay provided we don't give away any soft goals like we did against Norwich and also keep Guly out of the starting line-up!!! COYR's!
[quote][p][bold]SaintinCanada[/bold] wrote: To all the Saints fans that made me and my wife so welcome at the Palace game, and helping me re-kindle the joy of being part of a passionate crowd, I say THANK YOU. It is indeed a privilage to be one of us. TV......and an early beer for me on Sunday awaits. What a great time to be a Saints fan, and wish I could lose my vocal chords in London again.[/p][/quote]Good to know you had a great time at Palace, went there when we were in the Championship, reminded me of the old Dell, such happy days! We have family in Prince George BC, my sister-in-law has a grandson who's well into "soccer" and wanted a Saints "away" shirt, unfortunately the club shop has sold out as it's too far into the season. So I'm sending him one of my old shirts in the traditional "red and white stripes" which in my opinion is what our home shirt should always be. Another Saints fan in the making? I hope so! As for tomorrow, the Spuds lost last night so hopefully should be knackered for the game. Forget that Sky cameras are there, we'll be okay provided we don't give away any soft goals like we did against Norwich and also keep Guly out of the starting line-up!!! COYR's! Chipster
  • Score: 10

9:15am Fri 21 Mar 14

Malcombe says...

Does any Fan know if Saints did qualify for this Tournament are they obligated to play in it or do they have a choice to participate?

No doubt about this one MoPo doesn't want it, perhaps he's studied Teams that have played in it and notice how it's affected the fitness of Players or there isn't any moral gains except some extra revenue, any info greatly received
Does any Fan know if Saints did qualify for this Tournament are they obligated to play in it or do they have a choice to participate? No doubt about this one MoPo doesn't want it, perhaps he's studied Teams that have played in it and notice how it's affected the fitness of Players or there isn't any moral gains except some extra revenue, any info greatly received Malcombe
  • Score: 0

9:20am Fri 21 Mar 14

hedge end bob says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I wish he'd stop being anti the Europa league. If and when we do qualify then send Jesus in charge of a team consisting of the likes of Gazza, Targett, Guly, Hoover, Yoshida, Reed, Isgrove, Chambers/Clyne (which ever one isn't in the first team at the time) and any players needing match time or returning from injury. It doesn't need to have any negative impact.
Agreed Seed , would love to see our club in european football. If it has to be the Europa League ,like you say a good oppertunity to give our second team game time. The experience our young players could gain would be brilliant and we could still concentrate on progressing with the first team without draining our away our chance of staying in the Premier league.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I wish he'd stop being anti the Europa league. If and when we do qualify then send Jesus in charge of a team consisting of the likes of Gazza, Targett, Guly, Hoover, Yoshida, Reed, Isgrove, Chambers/Clyne (which ever one isn't in the first team at the time) and any players needing match time or returning from injury. It doesn't need to have any negative impact.[/p][/quote]Agreed Seed , would love to see our club in european football. If it has to be the Europa League ,like you say a good oppertunity to give our second team game time. The experience our young players could gain would be brilliant and we could still concentrate on progressing with the first team without draining our away our chance of staying in the Premier league. hedge end bob
  • Score: 3

9:34am Fri 21 Mar 14

Sainty saint saint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I wish he'd stop being anti the Europa league. If and when we do qualify then send Jesus in charge of a team consisting of the likes of Gazza, Targett, Guly, Hoover, Yoshida, Reed, Isgrove, Chambers/Clyne (which ever one isn't in the first team at the time) and any players needing match time or returning from injury. It doesn't need to have any negative impact.
Then you'll get people constantly moaning about fielding a 'weakened' team like we did in the FA Cup... some people will moan whatever happens!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I wish he'd stop being anti the Europa league. If and when we do qualify then send Jesus in charge of a team consisting of the likes of Gazza, Targett, Guly, Hoover, Yoshida, Reed, Isgrove, Chambers/Clyne (which ever one isn't in the first team at the time) and any players needing match time or returning from injury. It doesn't need to have any negative impact.[/p][/quote]Then you'll get people constantly moaning about fielding a 'weakened' team like we did in the FA Cup... some people will moan whatever happens! Sainty saint saint
  • Score: 7

9:40am Fri 21 Mar 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Sainty saint saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I wish he'd stop being anti the Europa league. If and when we do qualify then send Jesus in charge of a team consisting of the likes of Gazza, Targett, Guly, Hoover, Yoshida, Reed, Isgrove, Chambers/Clyne (which ever one isn't in the first team at the time) and any players needing match time or returning from injury. It doesn't need to have any negative impact.
Then you'll get people constantly moaning about fielding a 'weakened' team like we did in the FA Cup... some people will moan whatever happens!
No I don't think you can compare the two. Nearly all the fans wanted a right good go in the FA cup and the club implied it did too - but then didn't. Europa would be very clear from the start so those of us who chose to go and support the lads would know exactly what we would be fielding.
[quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I wish he'd stop being anti the Europa league. If and when we do qualify then send Jesus in charge of a team consisting of the likes of Gazza, Targett, Guly, Hoover, Yoshida, Reed, Isgrove, Chambers/Clyne (which ever one isn't in the first team at the time) and any players needing match time or returning from injury. It doesn't need to have any negative impact.[/p][/quote]Then you'll get people constantly moaning about fielding a 'weakened' team like we did in the FA Cup... some people will moan whatever happens![/p][/quote]No I don't think you can compare the two. Nearly all the fans wanted a right good go in the FA cup and the club implied it did too - but then didn't. Europa would be very clear from the start so those of us who chose to go and support the lads would know exactly what we would be fielding. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 3

9:47am Fri 21 Mar 14

Santa Retfordia says...

Are we on telly on Sunday? In that case, can someone please solve an ethical dilemma for me?

I've got the kids all weekend because 'she' is buggering off on some sort of course, so is it a *bit* Jeremy Kyle to take them to the pub of a Sunday lunchtime and plonk them there with crisps and a fruit shoot while I sit there drinking Stella and swearing at the telly for two hours?
Are we on telly on Sunday? In that case, can someone please solve an ethical dilemma for me? I've got the kids all weekend because 'she' is buggering off on some sort of course, so is it a *bit* Jeremy Kyle to take them to the pub of a Sunday lunchtime and plonk them there with crisps and a fruit shoot while I sit there drinking Stella and swearing at the telly for two hours? Santa Retfordia
  • Score: 9

9:50am Fri 21 Mar 14

Positively4thStreet says...

hedge end bob wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I wish he'd stop being anti the Europa league. If and when we do qualify then send Jesus in charge of a team consisting of the likes of Gazza, Targett, Guly, Hoover, Yoshida, Reed, Isgrove, Chambers/Clyne (which ever one isn't in the first team at the time) and any players needing match time or returning from injury. It doesn't need to have any negative impact.
Agreed Seed , would love to see our club in european football. If it has to be the Europa League ,like you say a good oppertunity to give our second team game time. The experience our young players could gain would be brilliant and we could still concentrate on progressing with the first team without draining our away our chance of staying in the Premier league.
Agreed that the second string always needs a run out,but until they restore a competitive league for reserve teams(which won't happen),an outing in the cups,is always going to be a temporary,and unsatisfactory fix for that problem.
Added to that,a game of football is about pride and passion and winning(not always for the players,but always for the fans),and the phsycological effect it can have on moral, sometimes defeats the footballing objective.This was all too clearly illustrated in the weeks following the Sunderland defeat.
[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I wish he'd stop being anti the Europa league. If and when we do qualify then send Jesus in charge of a team consisting of the likes of Gazza, Targett, Guly, Hoover, Yoshida, Reed, Isgrove, Chambers/Clyne (which ever one isn't in the first team at the time) and any players needing match time or returning from injury. It doesn't need to have any negative impact.[/p][/quote]Agreed Seed , would love to see our club in european football. If it has to be the Europa League ,like you say a good oppertunity to give our second team game time. The experience our young players could gain would be brilliant and we could still concentrate on progressing with the first team without draining our away our chance of staying in the Premier league.[/p][/quote]Agreed that the second string always needs a run out,but until they restore a competitive league for reserve teams(which won't happen),an outing in the cups,is always going to be a temporary,and unsatisfactory fix for that problem. Added to that,a game of football is about pride and passion and winning(not always for the players,but always for the fans),and the phsycological effect it can have on moral, sometimes defeats the footballing objective.This was all too clearly illustrated in the weeks following the Sunderland defeat. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 1

9:52am Fri 21 Mar 14

Dartom says...

So is he saying we should never try to win a cup and only ever aim to finish 8th in the league? We all want champions league but it`s a hell of a jump to get into the top 4. Any time in Europe must be a bonus, a, financially, b, to attract better players, c, player experience and finally it`s what the fans want. I went to Steaua many moons ago and still remember how good It was despite the result, but maybe next time a better ground!
So is he saying we should never try to win a cup and only ever aim to finish 8th in the league? We all want champions league but it`s a hell of a jump to get into the top 4. Any time in Europe must be a bonus, a, financially, b, to attract better players, c, player experience and finally it`s what the fans want. I went to Steaua many moons ago and still remember how good It was despite the result, but maybe next time a better ground! Dartom
  • Score: 1

10:08am Fri 21 Mar 14

killared says...

Malcombe wrote:
Does any Fan know if Saints did qualify for this Tournament are they obligated to play in it or do they have a choice to participate?

No doubt about this one MoPo doesn't want it, perhaps he's studied Teams that have played in it and notice how it's affected the fitness of Players or there isn't any moral gains except some extra revenue, any info greatly received
It depend really if Saint have the UEFA license then they obligated to play the Europa League. Now let's say Saint qualify for the Champions league next season but Saint decline the Europa league the season before then Saint can be omitted of champions league because they decline Europa league. Saint have the UEFA license because during the world cup bid Saint Mary's stadium qualify to host match. I think it would be good for the club and the city if Saint qualify for the Europa league I mean look at the teams left in the competition right now it's not bad at all most of them were in the champions league, Benfica, Porto, Lyon, Juventus, Basle, FC Sevilla, Valencia , AZ Alkmaar
[quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: Does any Fan know if Saints did qualify for this Tournament are they obligated to play in it or do they have a choice to participate? No doubt about this one MoPo doesn't want it, perhaps he's studied Teams that have played in it and notice how it's affected the fitness of Players or there isn't any moral gains except some extra revenue, any info greatly received[/p][/quote]It depend really if Saint have the UEFA license then they obligated to play the Europa League. Now let's say Saint qualify for the Champions league next season but Saint decline the Europa league the season before then Saint can be omitted of champions league because they decline Europa league. Saint have the UEFA license because during the world cup bid Saint Mary's stadium qualify to host match. I think it would be good for the club and the city if Saint qualify for the Europa league I mean look at the teams left in the competition right now it's not bad at all most of them were in the champions league, Benfica, Porto, Lyon, Juventus, Basle, FC Sevilla, Valencia , AZ Alkmaar killared
  • Score: 1

10:08am Fri 21 Mar 14

alanrr says...

have to agree with a lot said .....it would be a huge leap from league 1 to CL in the short time since our revival and most of us would like to see how we get on against European opposition and as those games are televised we can help to undo the tv voodoo...........or is that just sky voodoo..........I can see where mopo is coming from eg Swansea and to a degree spurs but they are still 5th at the moment........I wouldn't mind that for a spell..........we should try 100% for everything
have to agree with a lot said .....it would be a huge leap from league 1 to CL in the short time since our revival and most of us would like to see how we get on against European opposition and as those games are televised we can help to undo the tv voodoo...........or is that just sky voodoo..........I can see where mopo is coming from eg Swansea and to a degree spurs but they are still 5th at the moment........I wouldn't mind that for a spell..........we should try 100% for everything alanrr
  • Score: 2

10:24am Fri 21 Mar 14

JohnItaly says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
Are we on telly on Sunday? In that case, can someone please solve an ethical dilemma for me?

I've got the kids all weekend because 'she' is buggering off on some sort of course, so is it a *bit* Jeremy Kyle to take them to the pub of a Sunday lunchtime and plonk them there with crisps and a fruit shoot while I sit there drinking Stella and swearing at the telly for two hours?
I know it is a terrible dichotomy. To watch or not to watch. I'm toying
(presently only toying) with the idea of not watching because if I find something really useful to do for a couple of hours like watch some paint dry and Saints win I can justifiably take all the credit for the victory as I must have had some negative vibes that caused the Saints to perform poorly (or unluckily) in front of the cameras. So SR why not join me as I am very happy to share the credit for Saints' resounding victory.
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: Are we on telly on Sunday? In that case, can someone please solve an ethical dilemma for me? I've got the kids all weekend because 'she' is buggering off on some sort of course, so is it a *bit* Jeremy Kyle to take them to the pub of a Sunday lunchtime and plonk them there with crisps and a fruit shoot while I sit there drinking Stella and swearing at the telly for two hours?[/p][/quote]I know it is a terrible dichotomy. To watch or not to watch. I'm toying (presently only toying) with the idea of not watching because if I find something really useful to do for a couple of hours like watch some paint dry and Saints win I can justifiably take all the credit for the victory as I must have had some negative vibes that caused the Saints to perform poorly (or unluckily) in front of the cameras. So SR why not join me as I am very happy to share the credit for Saints' resounding victory. JohnItaly
  • Score: 1

10:36am Fri 21 Mar 14

Mush On The Beach says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
Are we on telly on Sunday? In that case, can someone please solve an ethical dilemma for me?

I've got the kids all weekend because 'she' is buggering off on some sort of course, so is it a *bit* Jeremy Kyle to take them to the pub of a Sunday lunchtime and plonk them there with crisps and a fruit shoot while I sit there drinking Stella and swearing at the telly for two hours?
Oh dear Retford, sadly you have been raised in an era of political correctness where sound judgement and good honest working class values have been all but destroyed. That you have to ask breaks my heart. Get down the pub with the kids and sup a few in front of the footy, let’s call it character building for them. They’ll thank you for it later in life.
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: Are we on telly on Sunday? In that case, can someone please solve an ethical dilemma for me? I've got the kids all weekend because 'she' is buggering off on some sort of course, so is it a *bit* Jeremy Kyle to take them to the pub of a Sunday lunchtime and plonk them there with crisps and a fruit shoot while I sit there drinking Stella and swearing at the telly for two hours?[/p][/quote]Oh dear Retford, sadly you have been raised in an era of political correctness where sound judgement and good honest working class values have been all but destroyed. That you have to ask breaks my heart. Get down the pub with the kids and sup a few in front of the footy, let’s call it character building for them. They’ll thank you for it later in life. Mush On The Beach
  • Score: 9

10:39am Fri 21 Mar 14

Mush On The Beach says...

alanrr wrote:
have to agree with a lot said .....it would be a huge leap from league 1 to CL in the short time since our revival and most of us would like to see how we get on against European opposition and as those games are televised we can help to undo the tv voodoo...........or is that just sky voodoo..........I can see where mopo is coming from eg Swansea and to a degree spurs but they are still 5th at the moment........I wouldn't mind that for a spell..........we should try 100% for everything
I’m not sure what you boys are on about with a TV hoodoo. Us Saints fans around the globe watch the boys on TV every week and we love how it is working out.
[quote][p][bold]alanrr[/bold] wrote: have to agree with a lot said .....it would be a huge leap from league 1 to CL in the short time since our revival and most of us would like to see how we get on against European opposition and as those games are televised we can help to undo the tv voodoo...........or is that just sky voodoo..........I can see where mopo is coming from eg Swansea and to a degree spurs but they are still 5th at the moment........I wouldn't mind that for a spell..........we should try 100% for everything[/p][/quote]I’m not sure what you boys are on about with a TV hoodoo. Us Saints fans around the globe watch the boys on TV every week and we love how it is working out. Mush On The Beach
  • Score: 7

11:00am Fri 21 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Just recently clicked on Sky First Fast Now am wondering when the Programme is going to interupt the adverts?
Just recently clicked on Sky First Fast Now am wondering when the Programme is going to interupt the adverts? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

11:05am Fri 21 Mar 14

Confucious says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
Are we on telly on Sunday? In that case, can someone please solve an ethical dilemma for me?

I've got the kids all weekend because 'she' is buggering off on some sort of course, so is it a *bit* Jeremy Kyle to take them to the pub of a Sunday lunchtime and plonk them there with crisps and a fruit shoot while I sit there drinking Stella and swearing at the telly for two hours?
It'll do the kids a power of good to watch the footie with you.

We were worried for years about our lad because he just wasn't able to talk or communicate. We tried doctors, psychiatrists, speech therapists to no avail whatsoever.

Then when he was eight, one day we were watching Poopey play on TV and quite suddenly he said clear as a bell: "Jeez dad, switch it off - this is absolute sh!t.".

"You can speak!" I screamed. "Why have you been silent all these years?"

"Well, everything's been alright 'till now." he answered.
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: Are we on telly on Sunday? In that case, can someone please solve an ethical dilemma for me? I've got the kids all weekend because 'she' is buggering off on some sort of course, so is it a *bit* Jeremy Kyle to take them to the pub of a Sunday lunchtime and plonk them there with crisps and a fruit shoot while I sit there drinking Stella and swearing at the telly for two hours?[/p][/quote]It'll do the kids a power of good to watch the footie with you. We were worried for years about our lad because he just wasn't able to talk or communicate. We tried doctors, psychiatrists, speech therapists to no avail whatsoever. Then when he was eight, one day we were watching Poopey play on TV and quite suddenly he said clear as a bell: "Jeez dad, switch it off - this is absolute sh!t.". "You can speak!" I screamed. "Why have you been silent all these years?" "Well, everything's been alright 'till now." he answered. Confucious
  • Score: 12

11:15am Fri 21 Mar 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I wish he'd stop being anti the Europa league. If and when we do qualify then send Jesus in charge of a team consisting of the likes of Gazza, Targett, Guly, Hoover, Yoshida, Reed, Isgrove, Chambers/Clyne (which ever one isn't in the first team at the time) and any players needing match time or returning from injury. It doesn't need to have any negative impact.
the thing is he is right, we all know the Europa league is a nothing competition that `hurts` teams in the league. who can remember (without looking it up) who won it last year?
it needs to revert back to a straight knockout competition, with seeding if eufa want, and stop the teams that failed in the champions league joining in. eufa should bring back the cup winners cup as well.
MP might not like the competition but that's his personal opinion and doesn't mean it the clubs opinion. perhaps its his way of pointing out that we would need a bigger stronger squad if we qualified? or is he starting the debate about a change in the cup? I don't think that this is a new statement about the competition from MP just the echo pointing out that spuds have been awful in the prem after they have played a Thursday night Europa game. its ok saying spuds are 5th in the league and we would love to be in that position but they spent over £100mill in the summer and would have been expecting to challenge for a champions league spot if not the prem. they are 7pts away from mancy in 4th who have 3 games in hand.
that said I would love to see us qualify as it brings in more money, not anywhere near as much as champions league qualification does. it also raises the profile of the club and might convince some of our existing players that we are on the right track, and some possible future new players.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I wish he'd stop being anti the Europa league. If and when we do qualify then send Jesus in charge of a team consisting of the likes of Gazza, Targett, Guly, Hoover, Yoshida, Reed, Isgrove, Chambers/Clyne (which ever one isn't in the first team at the time) and any players needing match time or returning from injury. It doesn't need to have any negative impact.[/p][/quote]the thing is he is right, we all know the Europa league is a nothing competition that `hurts` teams in the league. who can remember (without looking it up) who won it last year? it needs to revert back to a straight knockout competition, with seeding if eufa want, and stop the teams that failed in the champions league joining in. eufa should bring back the cup winners cup as well. MP might not like the competition but that's his personal opinion and doesn't mean it the clubs opinion. perhaps its his way of pointing out that we would need a bigger stronger squad if we qualified? or is he starting the debate about a change in the cup? I don't think that this is a new statement about the competition from MP just the echo pointing out that spuds have been awful in the prem after they have played a Thursday night Europa game. its ok saying spuds are 5th in the league and we would love to be in that position but they spent over £100mill in the summer and would have been expecting to challenge for a champions league spot if not the prem. they are 7pts away from mancy in 4th who have 3 games in hand. that said I would love to see us qualify as it brings in more money, not anywhere near as much as champions league qualification does. it also raises the profile of the club and might convince some of our existing players that we are on the right track, and some possible future new players. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 1

11:36am Fri 21 Mar 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
Are we on telly on Sunday? In that case, can someone please solve an ethical dilemma for me?

I've got the kids all weekend because 'she' is buggering off on some sort of course, so is it a *bit* Jeremy Kyle to take them to the pub of a Sunday lunchtime and plonk them there with crisps and a fruit shoot while I sit there drinking Stella and swearing at the telly for two hours?
get a few tinnies in pay that nice decent and honest Mr Murdoch foe the privilege of watch it in the comfort of your own home. then you can ensure that the young ones are being truly educated in the `Southampton way` ;0)
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: Are we on telly on Sunday? In that case, can someone please solve an ethical dilemma for me? I've got the kids all weekend because 'she' is buggering off on some sort of course, so is it a *bit* Jeremy Kyle to take them to the pub of a Sunday lunchtime and plonk them there with crisps and a fruit shoot while I sit there drinking Stella and swearing at the telly for two hours?[/p][/quote]get a few tinnies in pay that nice decent and honest Mr Murdoch foe the privilege of watch it in the comfort of your own home. then you can ensure that the young ones are being truly educated in the `Southampton way` ;0) el caballo santos101
  • Score: 1

11:37am Fri 21 Mar 14

Santa Retfordia says...

Mush On The Beach wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Are we on telly on Sunday? In that case, can someone please solve an ethical dilemma for me?

I've got the kids all weekend because 'she' is buggering off on some sort of course, so is it a *bit* Jeremy Kyle to take them to the pub of a Sunday lunchtime and plonk them there with crisps and a fruit shoot while I sit there drinking Stella and swearing at the telly for two hours?
Oh dear Retford, sadly you have been raised in an era of political correctness where sound judgement and good honest working class values have been all but destroyed. That you have to ask breaks my heart. Get down the pub with the kids and sup a few in front of the footy, let’s call it character building for them. They’ll thank you for it later in life.
I swear I was born too late. When I hear about my dad's generation and how little they did in terms of nappy changing and staying out of the pub I just think "You jammy b@stard - how on earth did you get away with that?"

It's like, it was the 1970s and everything was sweet as a nut for men and then overnight we were sort of expected to get involved and take children to 'soft play' instead of spending the weekend playing golf and binge drinking. Something went very wrong in the country and no one's leaving until we find out who's to blame.
[quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: Are we on telly on Sunday? In that case, can someone please solve an ethical dilemma for me? I've got the kids all weekend because 'she' is buggering off on some sort of course, so is it a *bit* Jeremy Kyle to take them to the pub of a Sunday lunchtime and plonk them there with crisps and a fruit shoot while I sit there drinking Stella and swearing at the telly for two hours?[/p][/quote]Oh dear Retford, sadly you have been raised in an era of political correctness where sound judgement and good honest working class values have been all but destroyed. That you have to ask breaks my heart. Get down the pub with the kids and sup a few in front of the footy, let’s call it character building for them. They’ll thank you for it later in life.[/p][/quote]I swear I was born too late. When I hear about my dad's generation and how little they did in terms of nappy changing and staying out of the pub I just think "You jammy b@stard - how on earth did you get away with that?" It's like, it was the 1970s and everything was sweet as a nut for men and then overnight we were sort of expected to get involved and take children to 'soft play' instead of spending the weekend playing golf and binge drinking. Something went very wrong in the country and no one's leaving until we find out who's to blame. Santa Retfordia
  • Score: 4

11:55am Fri 21 Mar 14

Mush On The Beach says...

Emily Pankhurst :) , Maggie Thatcher, Germaine Greer and Oprah Feckin Winfrey. Life was just dandy when women role models were Mother Teresa, Pammy Anderson, Jenifer Aniston and Fatima Whitbread.
Emily Pankhurst :) , Maggie Thatcher, Germaine Greer and Oprah Feckin Winfrey. Life was just dandy when women role models were Mother Teresa, Pammy Anderson, Jenifer Aniston and Fatima Whitbread. Mush On The Beach
  • Score: 7

12:09pm Fri 21 Mar 14

killared says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I wish he'd stop being anti the Europa league. If and when we do qualify then send Jesus in charge of a team consisting of the likes of Gazza, Targett, Guly, Hoover, Yoshida, Reed, Isgrove, Chambers/Clyne (which ever one isn't in the first team at the time) and any players needing match time or returning from injury. It doesn't need to have any negative impact.
the thing is he is right, we all know the Europa league is a nothing competition that `hurts` teams in the league. who can remember (without looking it up) who won it last year?
it needs to revert back to a straight knockout competition, with seeding if eufa want, and stop the teams that failed in the champions league joining in. eufa should bring back the cup winners cup as well.
MP might not like the competition but that's his personal opinion and doesn't mean it the clubs opinion. perhaps its his way of pointing out that we would need a bigger stronger squad if we qualified? or is he starting the debate about a change in the cup? I don't think that this is a new statement about the competition from MP just the echo pointing out that spuds have been awful in the prem after they have played a Thursday night Europa game. its ok saying spuds are 5th in the league and we would love to be in that position but they spent over £100mill in the summer and would have been expecting to challenge for a champions league spot if not the prem. they are 7pts away from mancy in 4th who have 3 games in hand.
that said I would love to see us qualify as it brings in more money, not anywhere near as much as champions league qualification does. it also raises the profile of the club and might convince some of our existing players that we are on the right track, and some possible future new players.
Don't get me wrong I support Saint but saying that the Europa league is a nothing cup it's a bit much and that prove the arrogance of some team in the EPL. Some team in the EPL would gladly refuse the EPL because they believe that they are superior to others team in Europa League what a load of bull ..t ! Napoli, Benfica, Basle, Lyon, Porto, Sevilla, Valencia, Zenith and so on would humiliate our teams in the EPL and Probably Saint too !. Yes you need a bigger squad to rotate the team if Saint qualify in Europe and I agree some team like Fulham struggle since they play in the Europa League but I don't believe that will happen to Saints. A club like Southampton need European football to put them on the Map, Saint have a great foundation and very good fans base we need Europa League this club deserve this !
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I wish he'd stop being anti the Europa league. If and when we do qualify then send Jesus in charge of a team consisting of the likes of Gazza, Targett, Guly, Hoover, Yoshida, Reed, Isgrove, Chambers/Clyne (which ever one isn't in the first team at the time) and any players needing match time or returning from injury. It doesn't need to have any negative impact.[/p][/quote]the thing is he is right, we all know the Europa league is a nothing competition that `hurts` teams in the league. who can remember (without looking it up) who won it last year? it needs to revert back to a straight knockout competition, with seeding if eufa want, and stop the teams that failed in the champions league joining in. eufa should bring back the cup winners cup as well. MP might not like the competition but that's his personal opinion and doesn't mean it the clubs opinion. perhaps its his way of pointing out that we would need a bigger stronger squad if we qualified? or is he starting the debate about a change in the cup? I don't think that this is a new statement about the competition from MP just the echo pointing out that spuds have been awful in the prem after they have played a Thursday night Europa game. its ok saying spuds are 5th in the league and we would love to be in that position but they spent over £100mill in the summer and would have been expecting to challenge for a champions league spot if not the prem. they are 7pts away from mancy in 4th who have 3 games in hand. that said I would love to see us qualify as it brings in more money, not anywhere near as much as champions league qualification does. it also raises the profile of the club and might convince some of our existing players that we are on the right track, and some possible future new players.[/p][/quote]Don't get me wrong I support Saint but saying that the Europa league is a nothing cup it's a bit much and that prove the arrogance of some team in the EPL. Some team in the EPL would gladly refuse the EPL because they believe that they are superior to others team in Europa League what a load of bull ..t ! Napoli, Benfica, Basle, Lyon, Porto, Sevilla, Valencia, Zenith and so on would humiliate our teams in the EPL and Probably Saint too !. Yes you need a bigger squad to rotate the team if Saint qualify in Europe and I agree some team like Fulham struggle since they play in the Europa League but I don't believe that will happen to Saints. A club like Southampton need European football to put them on the Map, Saint have a great foundation and very good fans base we need Europa League this club deserve this ! killared
  • Score: 2

12:31pm Fri 21 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Champions League is OK, the Europa League needs a new format, especially in the early stages, it needs to be more localised and timed not to interfere with the Premier League.
Champions League is OK, the Europa League needs a new format, especially in the early stages, it needs to be more localised and timed not to interfere with the Premier League. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

12:36pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Mush On The Beach wrote:
Emily Pankhurst :) , Maggie Thatcher, Germaine Greer and Oprah Feckin Winfrey. Life was just dandy when women role models were Mother Teresa, Pammy Anderson, Jenifer Aniston and Fatima Whitbread.
Was Fatima a woman?
[quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: Emily Pankhurst :) , Maggie Thatcher, Germaine Greer and Oprah Feckin Winfrey. Life was just dandy when women role models were Mother Teresa, Pammy Anderson, Jenifer Aniston and Fatima Whitbread.[/p][/quote]Was Fatima a woman? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 2

12:38pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
Mush On The Beach wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Are we on telly on Sunday? In that case, can someone please solve an ethical dilemma for me?

I've got the kids all weekend because 'she' is buggering off on some sort of course, so is it a *bit* Jeremy Kyle to take them to the pub of a Sunday lunchtime and plonk them there with crisps and a fruit shoot while I sit there drinking Stella and swearing at the telly for two hours?
Oh dear Retford, sadly you have been raised in an era of political correctness where sound judgement and good honest working class values have been all but destroyed. That you have to ask breaks my heart. Get down the pub with the kids and sup a few in front of the footy, let’s call it character building for them. They’ll thank you for it later in life.
I swear I was born too late. When I hear about my dad's generation and how little they did in terms of nappy changing and staying out of the pub I just think "You jammy b@stard - how on earth did you get away with that?"

It's like, it was the 1970s and everything was sweet as a nut for men and then overnight we were sort of expected to get involved and take children to 'soft play' instead of spending the weekend playing golf and binge drinking. Something went very wrong in the country and no one's leaving until we find out who's to blame.
Who's stopped playing golf, fishing and binge drinking? Talking of which you currying after City? I remember you bottled it last time.
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: Are we on telly on Sunday? In that case, can someone please solve an ethical dilemma for me? I've got the kids all weekend because 'she' is buggering off on some sort of course, so is it a *bit* Jeremy Kyle to take them to the pub of a Sunday lunchtime and plonk them there with crisps and a fruit shoot while I sit there drinking Stella and swearing at the telly for two hours?[/p][/quote]Oh dear Retford, sadly you have been raised in an era of political correctness where sound judgement and good honest working class values have been all but destroyed. That you have to ask breaks my heart. Get down the pub with the kids and sup a few in front of the footy, let’s call it character building for them. They’ll thank you for it later in life.[/p][/quote]I swear I was born too late. When I hear about my dad's generation and how little they did in terms of nappy changing and staying out of the pub I just think "You jammy b@stard - how on earth did you get away with that?" It's like, it was the 1970s and everything was sweet as a nut for men and then overnight we were sort of expected to get involved and take children to 'soft play' instead of spending the weekend playing golf and binge drinking. Something went very wrong in the country and no one's leaving until we find out who's to blame.[/p][/quote]Who's stopped playing golf, fishing and binge drinking? Talking of which you currying after City? I remember you bottled it last time. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 2

1:13pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Mush On The Beach says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Mush On The Beach wrote:
Emily Pankhurst :) , Maggie Thatcher, Germaine Greer and Oprah Feckin Winfrey. Life was just dandy when women role models were Mother Teresa, Pammy Anderson, Jenifer Aniston and Fatima Whitbread.
Was Fatima a woman?
Fatima, is that a javelin in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: Emily Pankhurst :) , Maggie Thatcher, Germaine Greer and Oprah Feckin Winfrey. Life was just dandy when women role models were Mother Teresa, Pammy Anderson, Jenifer Aniston and Fatima Whitbread.[/p][/quote]Was Fatima a woman?[/p][/quote]Fatima, is that a javelin in your pocket or are you just happy to see me? Mush On The Beach
  • Score: 1

1:57pm Fri 21 Mar 14

el caballo santos101 says...

killared wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I wish he'd stop being anti the Europa league. If and when we do qualify then send Jesus in charge of a team consisting of the likes of Gazza, Targett, Guly, Hoover, Yoshida, Reed, Isgrove, Chambers/Clyne (which ever one isn't in the first team at the time) and any players needing match time or returning from injury. It doesn't need to have any negative impact.
the thing is he is right, we all know the Europa league is a nothing competition that `hurts` teams in the league. who can remember (without looking it up) who won it last year?
it needs to revert back to a straight knockout competition, with seeding if eufa want, and stop the teams that failed in the champions league joining in. eufa should bring back the cup winners cup as well.
MP might not like the competition but that's his personal opinion and doesn't mean it the clubs opinion. perhaps its his way of pointing out that we would need a bigger stronger squad if we qualified? or is he starting the debate about a change in the cup? I don't think that this is a new statement about the competition from MP just the echo pointing out that spuds have been awful in the prem after they have played a Thursday night Europa game. its ok saying spuds are 5th in the league and we would love to be in that position but they spent over £100mill in the summer and would have been expecting to challenge for a champions league spot if not the prem. they are 7pts away from mancy in 4th who have 3 games in hand.
that said I would love to see us qualify as it brings in more money, not anywhere near as much as champions league qualification does. it also raises the profile of the club and might convince some of our existing players that we are on the right track, and some possible future new players.
Don't get me wrong I support Saint but saying that the Europa league is a nothing cup it's a bit much and that prove the arrogance of some team in the EPL. Some team in the EPL would gladly refuse the EPL because they believe that they are superior to others team in Europa League what a load of bull ..t ! Napoli, Benfica, Basle, Lyon, Porto, Sevilla, Valencia, Zenith and so on would humiliate our teams in the EPL and Probably Saint too !. Yes you need a bigger squad to rotate the team if Saint qualify in Europe and I agree some team like Fulham struggle since they play in the Europa League but I don't believe that will happen to Saints. A club like Southampton need European football to put them on the Map, Saint have a great foundation and very good fans base we need Europa League this club deserve this !
there is no arrogance in calling the Europa league a `nothing cup`. uefa have made it that themselves. if they wanted it to be a decent competition why would they dump the losers from the champions league into it?
the uefa cup was a decent competition and a good second to the European cup. once the champions league was created the top 3-4 teams from the prem, and other leagues, went into that instead of just the winners, that meant teams that would have struggled to get into the uefa cup have easier entry to the Europa league, therefore devaluing the competition. turning it into a league format means the teams play too many games which causes them to suffer in their respective home leagues.

uefa created the champions league and then the Europa league as a way of making them more money and as a way of creating a European super league taking the best teams from Europe away from their current leagues. it would then be a 2 tier league system with no relegation from the lower league. when, not if, this happens uefa will have total control over Europe`s best teams and leagues like the prem will lose most of their tv coverage and money and the clubs left will start to go bust.

I would love saints to qualify for the champions league or the Europa league, I just feel that the current format makes it a meaningless competition and it needs a radical overhaul. as I said can you remember who won it last year?

you should stop putting down English teams and the league and players like spider, who is good enough to play for france. you listed a load of European teams who you say would `humiliate` teams in the prem. teams in the prem are some of the best in the world, not the best at the moment as real, barce, Bayern etc are right up there, but do you really think that the teams you mention would `humiliate` the best in the prem? you always say that prem teams and fans feel they are `superior` to the rest of Europe but you are doing that yourself. you are claiming teams like basle, lyon and the others are far superior to all of the prem. that my friend is an extremely arrogant way of thinking.
I have never said that saints are `too good` for the Europa league by the way, I just think it is a shell of the competition it once was!
[quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I wish he'd stop being anti the Europa league. If and when we do qualify then send Jesus in charge of a team consisting of the likes of Gazza, Targett, Guly, Hoover, Yoshida, Reed, Isgrove, Chambers/Clyne (which ever one isn't in the first team at the time) and any players needing match time or returning from injury. It doesn't need to have any negative impact.[/p][/quote]the thing is he is right, we all know the Europa league is a nothing competition that `hurts` teams in the league. who can remember (without looking it up) who won it last year? it needs to revert back to a straight knockout competition, with seeding if eufa want, and stop the teams that failed in the champions league joining in. eufa should bring back the cup winners cup as well. MP might not like the competition but that's his personal opinion and doesn't mean it the clubs opinion. perhaps its his way of pointing out that we would need a bigger stronger squad if we qualified? or is he starting the debate about a change in the cup? I don't think that this is a new statement about the competition from MP just the echo pointing out that spuds have been awful in the prem after they have played a Thursday night Europa game. its ok saying spuds are 5th in the league and we would love to be in that position but they spent over £100mill in the summer and would have been expecting to challenge for a champions league spot if not the prem. they are 7pts away from mancy in 4th who have 3 games in hand. that said I would love to see us qualify as it brings in more money, not anywhere near as much as champions league qualification does. it also raises the profile of the club and might convince some of our existing players that we are on the right track, and some possible future new players.[/p][/quote]Don't get me wrong I support Saint but saying that the Europa league is a nothing cup it's a bit much and that prove the arrogance of some team in the EPL. Some team in the EPL would gladly refuse the EPL because they believe that they are superior to others team in Europa League what a load of bull ..t ! Napoli, Benfica, Basle, Lyon, Porto, Sevilla, Valencia, Zenith and so on would humiliate our teams in the EPL and Probably Saint too !. Yes you need a bigger squad to rotate the team if Saint qualify in Europe and I agree some team like Fulham struggle since they play in the Europa League but I don't believe that will happen to Saints. A club like Southampton need European football to put them on the Map, Saint have a great foundation and very good fans base we need Europa League this club deserve this ![/p][/quote]there is no arrogance in calling the Europa league a `nothing cup`. uefa have made it that themselves. if they wanted it to be a decent competition why would they dump the losers from the champions league into it? the uefa cup was a decent competition and a good second to the European cup. once the champions league was created the top 3-4 teams from the prem, and other leagues, went into that instead of just the winners, that meant teams that would have struggled to get into the uefa cup have easier entry to the Europa league, therefore devaluing the competition. turning it into a league format means the teams play too many games which causes them to suffer in their respective home leagues. uefa created the champions league and then the Europa league as a way of making them more money and as a way of creating a European super league taking the best teams from Europe away from their current leagues. it would then be a 2 tier league system with no relegation from the lower league. when, not if, this happens uefa will have total control over Europe`s best teams and leagues like the prem will lose most of their tv coverage and money and the clubs left will start to go bust. I would love saints to qualify for the champions league or the Europa league, I just feel that the current format makes it a meaningless competition and it needs a radical overhaul. as I said can you remember who won it last year? you should stop putting down English teams and the league and players like spider, who is good enough to play for france. you listed a load of European teams who you say would `humiliate` teams in the prem. teams in the prem are some of the best in the world, not the best at the moment as real, barce, Bayern etc are right up there, but do you really think that the teams you mention would `humiliate` the best in the prem? you always say that prem teams and fans feel they are `superior` to the rest of Europe but you are doing that yourself. you are claiming teams like basle, lyon and the others are far superior to all of the prem. that my friend is an extremely arrogant way of thinking. I have never said that saints are `too good` for the Europa league by the way, I just think it is a shell of the competition it once was! el caballo santos101
  • Score: 3

3:01pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Santa Retfordia says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Mush On The Beach wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote: Are we on telly on Sunday? In that case, can someone please solve an ethical dilemma for me? I've got the kids all weekend because 'she' is buggering off on some sort of course, so is it a *bit* Jeremy Kyle to take them to the pub of a Sunday lunchtime and plonk them there with crisps and a fruit shoot while I sit there drinking Stella and swearing at the telly for two hours?
Oh dear Retford, sadly you have been raised in an era of political correctness where sound judgement and good honest working class values have been all but destroyed. That you have to ask breaks my heart. Get down the pub with the kids and sup a few in front of the footy, let’s call it character building for them. They’ll thank you for it later in life.
I swear I was born too late. When I hear about my dad's generation and how little they did in terms of nappy changing and staying out of the pub I just think "You jammy b@stard - how on earth did you get away with that?" It's like, it was the 1970s and everything was sweet as a nut for men and then overnight we were sort of expected to get involved and take children to 'soft play' instead of spending the weekend playing golf and binge drinking. Something went very wrong in the country and no one's leaving until we find out who's to blame.
Who's stopped playing golf, fishing and binge drinking? Talking of which you currying after City? I remember you bottled it last time.
I'm not currying afterwards because it's my mate's 40th that evening and I should probably go, but I'll be around for a few jars in the afternoon.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: Are we on telly on Sunday? In that case, can someone please solve an ethical dilemma for me? I've got the kids all weekend because 'she' is buggering off on some sort of course, so is it a *bit* Jeremy Kyle to take them to the pub of a Sunday lunchtime and plonk them there with crisps and a fruit shoot while I sit there drinking Stella and swearing at the telly for two hours?[/p][/quote]Oh dear Retford, sadly you have been raised in an era of political correctness where sound judgement and good honest working class values have been all but destroyed. That you have to ask breaks my heart. Get down the pub with the kids and sup a few in front of the footy, let’s call it character building for them. They’ll thank you for it later in life.[/p][/quote]I swear I was born too late. When I hear about my dad's generation and how little they did in terms of nappy changing and staying out of the pub I just think "You jammy b@stard - how on earth did you get away with that?" It's like, it was the 1970s and everything was sweet as a nut for men and then overnight we were sort of expected to get involved and take children to 'soft play' instead of spending the weekend playing golf and binge drinking. Something went very wrong in the country and no one's leaving until we find out who's to blame.[/p][/quote]Who's stopped playing golf, fishing and binge drinking? Talking of which you currying after City? I remember you bottled it last time.[/p][/quote]I'm not currying afterwards because it's my mate's 40th that evening and I should probably go, but I'll be around for a few jars in the afternoon. Santa Retfordia
  • Score: 1

3:39pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Mush On The Beach wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote: Are we on telly on Sunday? In that case, can someone please solve an ethical dilemma for me? I've got the kids all weekend because 'she' is buggering off on some sort of course, so is it a *bit* Jeremy Kyle to take them to the pub of a Sunday lunchtime and plonk them there with crisps and a fruit shoot while I sit there drinking Stella and swearing at the telly for two hours?
Oh dear Retford, sadly you have been raised in an era of political correctness where sound judgement and good honest working class values have been all but destroyed. That you have to ask breaks my heart. Get down the pub with the kids and sup a few in front of the footy, let’s call it character building for them. They’ll thank you for it later in life.
I swear I was born too late. When I hear about my dad's generation and how little they did in terms of nappy changing and staying out of the pub I just think "You jammy b@stard - how on earth did you get away with that?" It's like, it was the 1970s and everything was sweet as a nut for men and then overnight we were sort of expected to get involved and take children to 'soft play' instead of spending the weekend playing golf and binge drinking. Something went very wrong in the country and no one's leaving until we find out who's to blame.
Who's stopped playing golf, fishing and binge drinking? Talking of which you currying after City? I remember you bottled it last time.
I'm not currying afterwards because it's my mate's 40th that evening and I should probably go, but I'll be around for a few jars in the afternoon.
Excellent.
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: Are we on telly on Sunday? In that case, can someone please solve an ethical dilemma for me? I've got the kids all weekend because 'she' is buggering off on some sort of course, so is it a *bit* Jeremy Kyle to take them to the pub of a Sunday lunchtime and plonk them there with crisps and a fruit shoot while I sit there drinking Stella and swearing at the telly for two hours?[/p][/quote]Oh dear Retford, sadly you have been raised in an era of political correctness where sound judgement and good honest working class values have been all but destroyed. That you have to ask breaks my heart. Get down the pub with the kids and sup a few in front of the footy, let’s call it character building for them. They’ll thank you for it later in life.[/p][/quote]I swear I was born too late. When I hear about my dad's generation and how little they did in terms of nappy changing and staying out of the pub I just think "You jammy b@stard - how on earth did you get away with that?" It's like, it was the 1970s and everything was sweet as a nut for men and then overnight we were sort of expected to get involved and take children to 'soft play' instead of spending the weekend playing golf and binge drinking. Something went very wrong in the country and no one's leaving until we find out who's to blame.[/p][/quote]Who's stopped playing golf, fishing and binge drinking? Talking of which you currying after City? I remember you bottled it last time.[/p][/quote]I'm not currying afterwards because it's my mate's 40th that evening and I should probably go, but I'll be around for a few jars in the afternoon.[/p][/quote]Excellent. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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3:48pm Fri 21 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Mush On The Beach wrote:
Emily Pankhurst :) , Maggie Thatcher, Germaine Greer and Oprah Feckin Winfrey. Life was just dandy when women role models were Mother Teresa, Pammy Anderson, Jenifer Aniston and Fatima Whitbread.
Was Fatima a woman?
Easy to poke fun at her because of the muscular appearance but check out her history and you might give her more respect. She has a son called Ryan so I suppose there is a clue in there somewhere.

http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Fatima_Whit
bread
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: Emily Pankhurst :) , Maggie Thatcher, Germaine Greer and Oprah Feckin Winfrey. Life was just dandy when women role models were Mother Teresa, Pammy Anderson, Jenifer Aniston and Fatima Whitbread.[/p][/quote]Was Fatima a woman?[/p][/quote]Easy to poke fun at her because of the muscular appearance but check out her history and you might give her more respect. She has a son called Ryan so I suppose there is a clue in there somewhere. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Fatima_Whit bread OSPREYSAINT
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4:19pm Fri 21 Mar 14

killared says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
killared wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I wish he'd stop being anti the Europa league. If and when we do qualify then send Jesus in charge of a team consisting of the likes of Gazza, Targett, Guly, Hoover, Yoshida, Reed, Isgrove, Chambers/Clyne (which ever one isn't in the first team at the time) and any players needing match time or returning from injury. It doesn't need to have any negative impact.
the thing is he is right, we all know the Europa league is a nothing competition that `hurts` teams in the league. who can remember (without looking it up) who won it last year?
it needs to revert back to a straight knockout competition, with seeding if eufa want, and stop the teams that failed in the champions league joining in. eufa should bring back the cup winners cup as well.
MP might not like the competition but that's his personal opinion and doesn't mean it the clubs opinion. perhaps its his way of pointing out that we would need a bigger stronger squad if we qualified? or is he starting the debate about a change in the cup? I don't think that this is a new statement about the competition from MP just the echo pointing out that spuds have been awful in the prem after they have played a Thursday night Europa game. its ok saying spuds are 5th in the league and we would love to be in that position but they spent over £100mill in the summer and would have been expecting to challenge for a champions league spot if not the prem. they are 7pts away from mancy in 4th who have 3 games in hand.
that said I would love to see us qualify as it brings in more money, not anywhere near as much as champions league qualification does. it also raises the profile of the club and might convince some of our existing players that we are on the right track, and some possible future new players.
Don't get me wrong I support Saint but saying that the Europa league is a nothing cup it's a bit much and that prove the arrogance of some team in the EPL. Some team in the EPL would gladly refuse the EPL because they believe that they are superior to others team in Europa League what a load of bull ..t ! Napoli, Benfica, Basle, Lyon, Porto, Sevilla, Valencia, Zenith and so on would humiliate our teams in the EPL and Probably Saint too !. Yes you need a bigger squad to rotate the team if Saint qualify in Europe and I agree some team like Fulham struggle since they play in the Europa League but I don't believe that will happen to Saints. A club like Southampton need European football to put them on the Map, Saint have a great foundation and very good fans base we need Europa League this club deserve this !
there is no arrogance in calling the Europa league a `nothing cup`. uefa have made it that themselves. if they wanted it to be a decent competition why would they dump the losers from the champions league into it?
the uefa cup was a decent competition and a good second to the European cup. once the champions league was created the top 3-4 teams from the prem, and other leagues, went into that instead of just the winners, that meant teams that would have struggled to get into the uefa cup have easier entry to the Europa league, therefore devaluing the competition. turning it into a league format means the teams play too many games which causes them to suffer in their respective home leagues.

uefa created the champions league and then the Europa league as a way of making them more money and as a way of creating a European super league taking the best teams from Europe away from their current leagues. it would then be a 2 tier league system with no relegation from the lower league. when, not if, this happens uefa will have total control over Europe`s best teams and leagues like the prem will lose most of their tv coverage and money and the clubs left will start to go bust.

I would love saints to qualify for the champions league or the Europa league, I just feel that the current format makes it a meaningless competition and it needs a radical overhaul. as I said can you remember who won it last year?

you should stop putting down English teams and the league and players like spider, who is good enough to play for france. you listed a load of European teams who you say would `humiliate` teams in the prem. teams in the prem are some of the best in the world, not the best at the moment as real, barce, Bayern etc are right up there, but do you really think that the teams you mention would `humiliate` the best in the prem? you always say that prem teams and fans feel they are `superior` to the rest of Europe but you are doing that yourself. you are claiming teams like basle, lyon and the others are far superior to all of the prem. that my friend is an extremely arrogant way of thinking.
I have never said that saints are `too good` for the Europa league by the way, I just think it is a shell of the competition it once was!
Atletico Bilbao destroy Man United not long ago in the Europa league, Valencia teach a lesson of Football to Stoke city in the Europa league not long ago, Benfica beat Spurs at Home, Newcastle lost to Fc Bruge.... I'm gonna tell you the reason It's because they don't respect the cup and others team because they believe they play in the EPL so they are better than them no my friend !. I agree with you they need to change the format of the cup because it is a complete joke to put a loser in the champions league in the Europa League it's not fair I agree with you. Now concerning Morgan and the French team. France are bless with midfielders Nasri, Cabaye, Pogba, Matuidi, Rabiot, Grenier, Gonalon, Flamini, Mvila, Griezman and Morgan. Should he deserve to go to Brazil at this time no should he deserve a call up certainly yes for the last two years he's been the main man at Saint I agree but when you see a kid like Pogba who decide to leave Manchester United youth team and go to Juventus and walk in the Pro team it mean the kid is really something ! Oh by the way Chelsea won it last year but it was really obvious that they gonna win the cup vs Benfica
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I wish he'd stop being anti the Europa league. If and when we do qualify then send Jesus in charge of a team consisting of the likes of Gazza, Targett, Guly, Hoover, Yoshida, Reed, Isgrove, Chambers/Clyne (which ever one isn't in the first team at the time) and any players needing match time or returning from injury. It doesn't need to have any negative impact.[/p][/quote]the thing is he is right, we all know the Europa league is a nothing competition that `hurts` teams in the league. who can remember (without looking it up) who won it last year? it needs to revert back to a straight knockout competition, with seeding if eufa want, and stop the teams that failed in the champions league joining in. eufa should bring back the cup winners cup as well. MP might not like the competition but that's his personal opinion and doesn't mean it the clubs opinion. perhaps its his way of pointing out that we would need a bigger stronger squad if we qualified? or is he starting the debate about a change in the cup? I don't think that this is a new statement about the competition from MP just the echo pointing out that spuds have been awful in the prem after they have played a Thursday night Europa game. its ok saying spuds are 5th in the league and we would love to be in that position but they spent over £100mill in the summer and would have been expecting to challenge for a champions league spot if not the prem. they are 7pts away from mancy in 4th who have 3 games in hand. that said I would love to see us qualify as it brings in more money, not anywhere near as much as champions league qualification does. it also raises the profile of the club and might convince some of our existing players that we are on the right track, and some possible future new players.[/p][/quote]Don't get me wrong I support Saint but saying that the Europa league is a nothing cup it's a bit much and that prove the arrogance of some team in the EPL. Some team in the EPL would gladly refuse the EPL because they believe that they are superior to others team in Europa League what a load of bull ..t ! Napoli, Benfica, Basle, Lyon, Porto, Sevilla, Valencia, Zenith and so on would humiliate our teams in the EPL and Probably Saint too !. Yes you need a bigger squad to rotate the team if Saint qualify in Europe and I agree some team like Fulham struggle since they play in the Europa League but I don't believe that will happen to Saints. A club like Southampton need European football to put them on the Map, Saint have a great foundation and very good fans base we need Europa League this club deserve this ![/p][/quote]there is no arrogance in calling the Europa league a `nothing cup`. uefa have made it that themselves. if they wanted it to be a decent competition why would they dump the losers from the champions league into it? the uefa cup was a decent competition and a good second to the European cup. once the champions league was created the top 3-4 teams from the prem, and other leagues, went into that instead of just the winners, that meant teams that would have struggled to get into the uefa cup have easier entry to the Europa league, therefore devaluing the competition. turning it into a league format means the teams play too many games which causes them to suffer in their respective home leagues. uefa created the champions league and then the Europa league as a way of making them more money and as a way of creating a European super league taking the best teams from Europe away from their current leagues. it would then be a 2 tier league system with no relegation from the lower league. when, not if, this happens uefa will have total control over Europe`s best teams and leagues like the prem will lose most of their tv coverage and money and the clubs left will start to go bust. I would love saints to qualify for the champions league or the Europa league, I just feel that the current format makes it a meaningless competition and it needs a radical overhaul. as I said can you remember who won it last year? you should stop putting down English teams and the league and players like spider, who is good enough to play for france. you listed a load of European teams who you say would `humiliate` teams in the prem. teams in the prem are some of the best in the world, not the best at the moment as real, barce, Bayern etc are right up there, but do you really think that the teams you mention would `humiliate` the best in the prem? you always say that prem teams and fans feel they are `superior` to the rest of Europe but you are doing that yourself. you are claiming teams like basle, lyon and the others are far superior to all of the prem. that my friend is an extremely arrogant way of thinking. I have never said that saints are `too good` for the Europa league by the way, I just think it is a shell of the competition it once was![/p][/quote]Atletico Bilbao destroy Man United not long ago in the Europa league, Valencia teach a lesson of Football to Stoke city in the Europa league not long ago, Benfica beat Spurs at Home, Newcastle lost to Fc Bruge.... I'm gonna tell you the reason It's because they don't respect the cup and others team because they believe they play in the EPL so they are better than them no my friend !. I agree with you they need to change the format of the cup because it is a complete joke to put a loser in the champions league in the Europa League it's not fair I agree with you. Now concerning Morgan and the French team. France are bless with midfielders Nasri, Cabaye, Pogba, Matuidi, Rabiot, Grenier, Gonalon, Flamini, Mvila, Griezman and Morgan. Should he deserve to go to Brazil at this time no should he deserve a call up certainly yes for the last two years he's been the main man at Saint I agree but when you see a kid like Pogba who decide to leave Manchester United youth team and go to Juventus and walk in the Pro team it mean the kid is really something ! Oh by the way Chelsea won it last year but it was really obvious that they gonna win the cup vs Benfica killared
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5:30pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Mush On The Beach wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote: Are we on telly on Sunday? In that case, can someone please solve an ethical dilemma for me? I've got the kids all weekend because 'she' is buggering off on some sort of course, so is it a *bit* Jeremy Kyle to take them to the pub of a Sunday lunchtime and plonk them there with crisps and a fruit shoot while I sit there drinking Stella and swearing at the telly for two hours?
Oh dear Retford, sadly you have been raised in an era of political correctness where sound judgement and good honest working class values have been all but destroyed. That you have to ask breaks my heart. Get down the pub with the kids and sup a few in front of the footy, let’s call it character building for them. They’ll thank you for it later in life.
I swear I was born too late. When I hear about my dad's generation and how little they did in terms of nappy changing and staying out of the pub I just think "You jammy b@stard - how on earth did you get away with that?" It's like, it was the 1970s and everything was sweet as a nut for men and then overnight we were sort of expected to get involved and take children to 'soft play' instead of spending the weekend playing golf and binge drinking. Something went very wrong in the country and no one's leaving until we find out who's to blame.
Who's stopped playing golf, fishing and binge drinking? Talking of which you currying after City? I remember you bottled it last time.
I'm not currying afterwards because it's my mate's 40th that evening and I should probably go, but I'll be around for a few jars in the afternoon.
Excellent.
So what's the programme?

Ours looks a bit like this:

Friday night at Oldham Travelodge
Saturday
10.00 Manchester footy museum (brief, but a promise to the boys)
11.30 off to the match
12.45-2.45 match
2.45 Find Retford and follow him to a pub or two - with or without his now alcoholic kids. Locate Seed, Bill and Slugger's wallet (borrowed earlier by Bill)
5-6ish Fall out of a pub and into an Indian on the Curry Mile
7-8.00ish Hit the road.
11.30 Reach Chevieley Travelodge in time to miss Cardiff-Palace and rewatch Guly's match-winning hatrick on MotD between 11.53 and 11.57pm.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: Are we on telly on Sunday? In that case, can someone please solve an ethical dilemma for me? I've got the kids all weekend because 'she' is buggering off on some sort of course, so is it a *bit* Jeremy Kyle to take them to the pub of a Sunday lunchtime and plonk them there with crisps and a fruit shoot while I sit there drinking Stella and swearing at the telly for two hours?[/p][/quote]Oh dear Retford, sadly you have been raised in an era of political correctness where sound judgement and good honest working class values have been all but destroyed. That you have to ask breaks my heart. Get down the pub with the kids and sup a few in front of the footy, let’s call it character building for them. They’ll thank you for it later in life.[/p][/quote]I swear I was born too late. When I hear about my dad's generation and how little they did in terms of nappy changing and staying out of the pub I just think "You jammy b@stard - how on earth did you get away with that?" It's like, it was the 1970s and everything was sweet as a nut for men and then overnight we were sort of expected to get involved and take children to 'soft play' instead of spending the weekend playing golf and binge drinking. Something went very wrong in the country and no one's leaving until we find out who's to blame.[/p][/quote]Who's stopped playing golf, fishing and binge drinking? Talking of which you currying after City? I remember you bottled it last time.[/p][/quote]I'm not currying afterwards because it's my mate's 40th that evening and I should probably go, but I'll be around for a few jars in the afternoon.[/p][/quote]Excellent.[/p][/quote]So what's the programme? Ours looks a bit like this: Friday night at Oldham Travelodge Saturday 10.00 Manchester footy museum (brief, but a promise to the boys) 11.30 off to the match 12.45-2.45 match 2.45 Find Retford and follow him to a pub or two - with or without his now alcoholic kids. Locate Seed, Bill and Slugger's wallet (borrowed earlier by Bill) 5-6ish Fall out of a pub and into an Indian on the Curry Mile 7-8.00ish Hit the road. 11.30 Reach Chevieley Travelodge in time to miss Cardiff-Palace and rewatch Guly's match-winning hatrick on MotD between 11.53 and 11.57pm. Strasbourg Saint
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7:05pm Fri 21 Mar 14

el caballo santos101 says...

killared wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
killared wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I wish he'd stop being anti the Europa league. If and when we do qualify then send Jesus in charge of a team consisting of the likes of Gazza, Targett, Guly, Hoover, Yoshida, Reed, Isgrove, Chambers/Clyne (which ever one isn't in the first team at the time) and any players needing match time or returning from injury. It doesn't need to have any negative impact.
the thing is he is right, we all know the Europa league is a nothing competition that `hurts` teams in the league. who can remember (without looking it up) who won it last year?
it needs to revert back to a straight knockout competition, with seeding if eufa want, and stop the teams that failed in the champions league joining in. eufa should bring back the cup winners cup as well.
MP might not like the competition but that's his personal opinion and doesn't mean it the clubs opinion. perhaps its his way of pointing out that we would need a bigger stronger squad if we qualified? or is he starting the debate about a change in the cup? I don't think that this is a new statement about the competition from MP just the echo pointing out that spuds have been awful in the prem after they have played a Thursday night Europa game. its ok saying spuds are 5th in the league and we would love to be in that position but they spent over £100mill in the summer and would have been expecting to challenge for a champions league spot if not the prem. they are 7pts away from mancy in 4th who have 3 games in hand.
that said I would love to see us qualify as it brings in more money, not anywhere near as much as champions league qualification does. it also raises the profile of the club and might convince some of our existing players that we are on the right track, and some possible future new players.
Don't get me wrong I support Saint but saying that the Europa league is a nothing cup it's a bit much and that prove the arrogance of some team in the EPL. Some team in the EPL would gladly refuse the EPL because they believe that they are superior to others team in Europa League what a load of bull ..t ! Napoli, Benfica, Basle, Lyon, Porto, Sevilla, Valencia, Zenith and so on would humiliate our teams in the EPL and Probably Saint too !. Yes you need a bigger squad to rotate the team if Saint qualify in Europe and I agree some team like Fulham struggle since they play in the Europa League but I don't believe that will happen to Saints. A club like Southampton need European football to put them on the Map, Saint have a great foundation and very good fans base we need Europa League this club deserve this !
there is no arrogance in calling the Europa league a `nothing cup`. uefa have made it that themselves. if they wanted it to be a decent competition why would they dump the losers from the champions league into it?
the uefa cup was a decent competition and a good second to the European cup. once the champions league was created the top 3-4 teams from the prem, and other leagues, went into that instead of just the winners, that meant teams that would have struggled to get into the uefa cup have easier entry to the Europa league, therefore devaluing the competition. turning it into a league format means the teams play too many games which causes them to suffer in their respective home leagues.

uefa created the champions league and then the Europa league as a way of making them more money and as a way of creating a European super league taking the best teams from Europe away from their current leagues. it would then be a 2 tier league system with no relegation from the lower league. when, not if, this happens uefa will have total control over Europe`s best teams and leagues like the prem will lose most of their tv coverage and money and the clubs left will start to go bust.

I would love saints to qualify for the champions league or the Europa league, I just feel that the current format makes it a meaningless competition and it needs a radical overhaul. as I said can you remember who won it last year?

you should stop putting down English teams and the league and players like spider, who is good enough to play for france. you listed a load of European teams who you say would `humiliate` teams in the prem. teams in the prem are some of the best in the world, not the best at the moment as real, barce, Bayern etc are right up there, but do you really think that the teams you mention would `humiliate` the best in the prem? you always say that prem teams and fans feel they are `superior` to the rest of Europe but you are doing that yourself. you are claiming teams like basle, lyon and the others are far superior to all of the prem. that my friend is an extremely arrogant way of thinking.
I have never said that saints are `too good` for the Europa league by the way, I just think it is a shell of the competition it once was!
Atletico Bilbao destroy Man United not long ago in the Europa league, Valencia teach a lesson of Football to Stoke city in the Europa league not long ago, Benfica beat Spurs at Home, Newcastle lost to Fc Bruge.... I'm gonna tell you the reason It's because they don't respect the cup and others team because they believe they play in the EPL so they are better than them no my friend !. I agree with you they need to change the format of the cup because it is a complete joke to put a loser in the champions league in the Europa League it's not fair I agree with you. Now concerning Morgan and the French team. France are bless with midfielders Nasri, Cabaye, Pogba, Matuidi, Rabiot, Grenier, Gonalon, Flamini, Mvila, Griezman and Morgan. Should he deserve to go to Brazil at this time no should he deserve a call up certainly yes for the last two years he's been the main man at Saint I agree but when you see a kid like Pogba who decide to leave Manchester United youth team and go to Juventus and walk in the Pro team it mean the kid is really something ! Oh by the way Chelsea won it last year but it was really obvious that they gonna win the cup vs Benfica
I don't think manures 5-3 agg score can be called `destroyed`. Newcastle finished 2nd in their group, spuds also lost 5-3 on agg. stoke lost 2-0 on agg. I don't think any of those can be called `teaching a lesson` or being `destroyed`. you forget to mention any prem teams victories over European clubs, Fulham for example got to the final and only lost 2-1 aet to Atlético Madrid after beating Hamburg, Juventus, Shakhtar Donetsk, and Basel amongst others!
prem teams don't think they are `better` than other teams just because they play in the prem, they may not totally respect the Europa league, mainly though because of the problems with the competition, its seen as a second class competition and clubs don't aim to enter it or try their best because there is little value in winning it. look at the financial rewards of finishing 4th in the prem and qualifying for the champs league against finishing 5th and qualifying for the Europa league. spuds this year were desperate to get into the top 4, after all the money they spent in the summer, they aren't trying to qualify for the Europa league but will have to settle for it.
unless DD watches spider or gives him a chance he will never know what he is capable of, or whether he is better than his current picks or not. until he is given that chance none of us will know either. I believe that he is more than capable and france are a poorer team without him.
[quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I wish he'd stop being anti the Europa league. If and when we do qualify then send Jesus in charge of a team consisting of the likes of Gazza, Targett, Guly, Hoover, Yoshida, Reed, Isgrove, Chambers/Clyne (which ever one isn't in the first team at the time) and any players needing match time or returning from injury. It doesn't need to have any negative impact.[/p][/quote]the thing is he is right, we all know the Europa league is a nothing competition that `hurts` teams in the league. who can remember (without looking it up) who won it last year? it needs to revert back to a straight knockout competition, with seeding if eufa want, and stop the teams that failed in the champions league joining in. eufa should bring back the cup winners cup as well. MP might not like the competition but that's his personal opinion and doesn't mean it the clubs opinion. perhaps its his way of pointing out that we would need a bigger stronger squad if we qualified? or is he starting the debate about a change in the cup? I don't think that this is a new statement about the competition from MP just the echo pointing out that spuds have been awful in the prem after they have played a Thursday night Europa game. its ok saying spuds are 5th in the league and we would love to be in that position but they spent over £100mill in the summer and would have been expecting to challenge for a champions league spot if not the prem. they are 7pts away from mancy in 4th who have 3 games in hand. that said I would love to see us qualify as it brings in more money, not anywhere near as much as champions league qualification does. it also raises the profile of the club and might convince some of our existing players that we are on the right track, and some possible future new players.[/p][/quote]Don't get me wrong I support Saint but saying that the Europa league is a nothing cup it's a bit much and that prove the arrogance of some team in the EPL. Some team in the EPL would gladly refuse the EPL because they believe that they are superior to others team in Europa League what a load of bull ..t ! Napoli, Benfica, Basle, Lyon, Porto, Sevilla, Valencia, Zenith and so on would humiliate our teams in the EPL and Probably Saint too !. Yes you need a bigger squad to rotate the team if Saint qualify in Europe and I agree some team like Fulham struggle since they play in the Europa League but I don't believe that will happen to Saints. A club like Southampton need European football to put them on the Map, Saint have a great foundation and very good fans base we need Europa League this club deserve this ![/p][/quote]there is no arrogance in calling the Europa league a `nothing cup`. uefa have made it that themselves. if they wanted it to be a decent competition why would they dump the losers from the champions league into it? the uefa cup was a decent competition and a good second to the European cup. once the champions league was created the top 3-4 teams from the prem, and other leagues, went into that instead of just the winners, that meant teams that would have struggled to get into the uefa cup have easier entry to the Europa league, therefore devaluing the competition. turning it into a league format means the teams play too many games which causes them to suffer in their respective home leagues. uefa created the champions league and then the Europa league as a way of making them more money and as a way of creating a European super league taking the best teams from Europe away from their current leagues. it would then be a 2 tier league system with no relegation from the lower league. when, not if, this happens uefa will have total control over Europe`s best teams and leagues like the prem will lose most of their tv coverage and money and the clubs left will start to go bust. I would love saints to qualify for the champions league or the Europa league, I just feel that the current format makes it a meaningless competition and it needs a radical overhaul. as I said can you remember who won it last year? you should stop putting down English teams and the league and players like spider, who is good enough to play for france. you listed a load of European teams who you say would `humiliate` teams in the prem. teams in the prem are some of the best in the world, not the best at the moment as real, barce, Bayern etc are right up there, but do you really think that the teams you mention would `humiliate` the best in the prem? you always say that prem teams and fans feel they are `superior` to the rest of Europe but you are doing that yourself. you are claiming teams like basle, lyon and the others are far superior to all of the prem. that my friend is an extremely arrogant way of thinking. I have never said that saints are `too good` for the Europa league by the way, I just think it is a shell of the competition it once was![/p][/quote]Atletico Bilbao destroy Man United not long ago in the Europa league, Valencia teach a lesson of Football to Stoke city in the Europa league not long ago, Benfica beat Spurs at Home, Newcastle lost to Fc Bruge.... I'm gonna tell you the reason It's because they don't respect the cup and others team because they believe they play in the EPL so they are better than them no my friend !. I agree with you they need to change the format of the cup because it is a complete joke to put a loser in the champions league in the Europa League it's not fair I agree with you. Now concerning Morgan and the French team. France are bless with midfielders Nasri, Cabaye, Pogba, Matuidi, Rabiot, Grenier, Gonalon, Flamini, Mvila, Griezman and Morgan. Should he deserve to go to Brazil at this time no should he deserve a call up certainly yes for the last two years he's been the main man at Saint I agree but when you see a kid like Pogba who decide to leave Manchester United youth team and go to Juventus and walk in the Pro team it mean the kid is really something ! Oh by the way Chelsea won it last year but it was really obvious that they gonna win the cup vs Benfica[/p][/quote]I don't think manures 5-3 agg score can be called `destroyed`. Newcastle finished 2nd in their group, spuds also lost 5-3 on agg. stoke lost 2-0 on agg. I don't think any of those can be called `teaching a lesson` or being `destroyed`. you forget to mention any prem teams victories over European clubs, Fulham for example got to the final and only lost 2-1 aet to Atlético Madrid after beating Hamburg, Juventus, Shakhtar Donetsk, and Basel amongst others! prem teams don't think they are `better` than other teams just because they play in the prem, they may not totally respect the Europa league, mainly though because of the problems with the competition, its seen as a second class competition and clubs don't aim to enter it or try their best because there is little value in winning it. look at the financial rewards of finishing 4th in the prem and qualifying for the champs league against finishing 5th and qualifying for the Europa league. spuds this year were desperate to get into the top 4, after all the money they spent in the summer, they aren't trying to qualify for the Europa league but will have to settle for it. unless DD watches spider or gives him a chance he will never know what he is capable of, or whether he is better than his current picks or not. until he is given that chance none of us will know either. I believe that he is more than capable and france are a poorer team without him. el caballo santos101
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7:44pm Fri 21 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Mush On The Beach wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote: Are we on telly on Sunday? In that case, can someone please solve an ethical dilemma for me? I've got the kids all weekend because 'she' is buggering off on some sort of course, so is it a *bit* Jeremy Kyle to take them to the pub of a Sunday lunchtime and plonk them there with crisps and a fruit shoot while I sit there drinking Stella and swearing at the telly for two hours?
Oh dear Retford, sadly you have been raised in an era of political correctness where sound judgement and good honest working class values have been all but destroyed. That you have to ask breaks my heart. Get down the pub with the kids and sup a few in front of the footy, let’s call it character building for them. They’ll thank you for it later in life.
I swear I was born too late. When I hear about my dad's generation and how little they did in terms of nappy changing and staying out of the pub I just think "You jammy b@stard - how on earth did you get away with that?" It's like, it was the 1970s and everything was sweet as a nut for men and then overnight we were sort of expected to get involved and take children to 'soft play' instead of spending the weekend playing golf and binge drinking. Something went very wrong in the country and no one's leaving until we find out who's to blame.
Who's stopped playing golf, fishing and binge drinking? Talking of which you currying after City? I remember you bottled it last time.
I'm not currying afterwards because it's my mate's 40th that evening and I should probably go, but I'll be around for a few jars in the afternoon.
Excellent.
So what's the programme?

Ours looks a bit like this:

Friday night at Oldham Travelodge
Saturday
10.00 Manchester footy museum (brief, but a promise to the boys)
11.30 off to the match
12.45-2.45 match
2.45 Find Retford and follow him to a pub or two - with or without his now alcoholic kids. Locate Seed, Bill and Slugger's wallet (borrowed earlier by Bill)
5-6ish Fall out of a pub and into an Indian on the Curry Mile
7-8.00ish Hit the road.
11.30 Reach Chevieley Travelodge in time to miss Cardiff-Palace and rewatch Guly's match-winning hatrick on MotD between 11.53 and 11.57pm.
Sorry to burst that last little bubble but Guly is on the doubtful list and is unlikely to travel.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: Are we on telly on Sunday? In that case, can someone please solve an ethical dilemma for me? I've got the kids all weekend because 'she' is buggering off on some sort of course, so is it a *bit* Jeremy Kyle to take them to the pub of a Sunday lunchtime and plonk them there with crisps and a fruit shoot while I sit there drinking Stella and swearing at the telly for two hours?[/p][/quote]Oh dear Retford, sadly you have been raised in an era of political correctness where sound judgement and good honest working class values have been all but destroyed. That you have to ask breaks my heart. Get down the pub with the kids and sup a few in front of the footy, let’s call it character building for them. They’ll thank you for it later in life.[/p][/quote]I swear I was born too late. When I hear about my dad's generation and how little they did in terms of nappy changing and staying out of the pub I just think "You jammy b@stard - how on earth did you get away with that?" It's like, it was the 1970s and everything was sweet as a nut for men and then overnight we were sort of expected to get involved and take children to 'soft play' instead of spending the weekend playing golf and binge drinking. Something went very wrong in the country and no one's leaving until we find out who's to blame.[/p][/quote]Who's stopped playing golf, fishing and binge drinking? Talking of which you currying after City? I remember you bottled it last time.[/p][/quote]I'm not currying afterwards because it's my mate's 40th that evening and I should probably go, but I'll be around for a few jars in the afternoon.[/p][/quote]Excellent.[/p][/quote]So what's the programme? Ours looks a bit like this: Friday night at Oldham Travelodge Saturday 10.00 Manchester footy museum (brief, but a promise to the boys) 11.30 off to the match 12.45-2.45 match 2.45 Find Retford and follow him to a pub or two - with or without his now alcoholic kids. Locate Seed, Bill and Slugger's wallet (borrowed earlier by Bill) 5-6ish Fall out of a pub and into an Indian on the Curry Mile 7-8.00ish Hit the road. 11.30 Reach Chevieley Travelodge in time to miss Cardiff-Palace and rewatch Guly's match-winning hatrick on MotD between 11.53 and 11.57pm.[/p][/quote]Sorry to burst that last little bubble but Guly is on the doubtful list and is unlikely to travel. OSPREYSAINT
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