'Offside' goal starts Saints slump

Saints ’keeper Artur Boruc looks dejected after West Ham’s Carlton Cole scores his side’s second goal.

Saints ’keeper Artur Boruc looks dejected after West Ham’s Carlton Cole scores his side’s second goal.

First published in Sport Basingstoke Gazette: Photograph of the Author by , Chief Sports Writer

Mauricio Pochettino insisted he was still glad Mark Clattenburg took charge of Saints’ game at West Ham despite admitting his frustration at some of the decisions that went against his side in their 3-1 defeat.

The highest profile of those led to West Ham’s first goal, writes ADAM LEITCH.

Saints were adamant Matt Jarvis was offside before finishing past Artur Boruc and, though it was tight, replays appeared to back them up.

However, no flag was raised and the goal was given.

Clattenburg was taking charge of a Saints game for the first time since the club reported him to the referee’s body, the PGMOL, and the FA over comments made to Adam Lallana in the defeat at Everton. Both bodies found there was no case to answer.

Pochettino, right, said: “The refereeing decisions actually influenced the game and we were unlucky in that sense.

“We are not going to make anything more of it.

“It seems that the stars are not with us whenever Mr Clattenburg referees for us.”

 He added: “It’s clear that we are disappointed but I think that overall it’s a good thing he’s refereeing for us because we want to normalise the situation.

“We don’t want to make any big deal out of it or keep on rehashing the situation again.

“We want to help referees as much as we can because we know their job is quite hard and make things easier for them so they can make the best decisions in every game for us and for every single team.”

As well as a Saints comeback for Clattenburg, the defeat at West Ham also marked a return to the squad for Dejan Lovren and Gaston Ramirez.

The pair were both stretchered off in the league game at Sunderland on January 18 with ankle injuries.

Lovren was an unused sub at Upton Park while Ramirez looked sharp as he came off the bench in the second half.

“We will need to assess his fitness and also Gaston who actually came onto the pitch,” said Pochettino.

“They are both fully recovered but they will have to fight to get their place back in the team.”

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7:04am Mon 24 Feb 14

Norwegian Saint says...

Clatterbrain games v Saints
Norwich (a), Norwich player falls in box Result: PENALTY
Arsenal (a), a slight tug by Fonte on Mertesaker. PENALTY
Everton (a), player raises hand inside area to stop a cross : NO PENALTY
Wet Spam (a), player raises hand inside area to stop a cross : NO PENALTY

I see a pattern happening here
Clatterbrain games v Saints Norwich (a), Norwich player falls in box Result: PENALTY Arsenal (a), a slight tug by Fonte on Mertesaker. PENALTY Everton (a), player raises hand inside area to stop a cross : NO PENALTY Wet Spam (a), player raises hand inside area to stop a cross : NO PENALTY I see a pattern happening here Norwegian Saint
  • Score: 27

7:37am Mon 24 Feb 14

Golden_Salamander says...

Does anybody which of S BECK or HOLMES failed to raise his flag ?

Before anyone like MOTD's Shearer says it is not Clattenburg fault that the linesman fails to give the CLEAR offsite can I just point out :-
Norwich : Belly flop by holt - S BECK & Bryan.
Arsenal : Shirt pull by Fonte while Giroud is PULLING Jos shirt - S BECK & HOLMES (same as whu).
Everton : Failed to give CLEAR handball in 85min - S BECK & Child
WHU : Same as Arsenal S BECK & HOLMES for the CLEAR offsite.

IMO the Ref tells his assistants who he wants decisions to go "for" & "against" and imo Clattenburg isn't fit to Ref "sunday morning parks league football"

We need to get Krueger and a few of his Ice Hockey mates to tell Mike Riley that sending Clueless Clattenburg and his assistants to Saints games is unacceptable.
Does anybody which of S BECK or HOLMES failed to raise his flag ? Before anyone like MOTD's Shearer says it is not Clattenburg fault that the linesman fails to give the CLEAR offsite can I just point out :- Norwich : Belly flop by holt - S BECK & Bryan. Arsenal : Shirt pull by Fonte while Giroud is PULLING Jos shirt - S BECK & HOLMES (same as whu). Everton : Failed to give CLEAR handball in 85min - S BECK & Child WHU : Same as Arsenal S BECK & HOLMES for the CLEAR offsite. IMO the Ref tells his assistants who he wants decisions to go "for" & "against" and imo Clattenburg isn't fit to Ref "sunday morning parks league football" We need to get Krueger and a few of his Ice Hockey mates to tell Mike Riley that sending Clueless Clattenburg and his assistants to Saints games is unacceptable. Golden_Salamander
  • Score: 18

8:01am Mon 24 Feb 14

Abbey Saint says...

There is stink about his personal and professional life that even a basic google search highlights. He's a self promoting Geordie who likes to come across as a larger than life figure with a history of flash cars and flashier clothes. He has been disciplined as a referee because of events in his personal and business life. In short, he will probably be the author of his own downfall soon, because he seems unable to do what referees should - maintain a low professional profile without courting controversy. Some referees seem clearly straightforward types even allowing for human error. Clarettburg? Not for me.
There is stink about his personal and professional life that even a basic google search highlights. He's a self promoting Geordie who likes to come across as a larger than life figure with a history of flash cars and flashier clothes. He has been disciplined as a referee because of events in his personal and business life. In short, he will probably be the author of his own downfall soon, because he seems unable to do what referees should - maintain a low professional profile without courting controversy. Some referees seem clearly straightforward types even allowing for human error. Clarettburg? Not for me. Abbey Saint
  • Score: 12

8:18am Mon 24 Feb 14

Rising_Son says...

Golden_Salamander wrote:
Does anybody which of S BECK or HOLMES failed to raise his flag ?

Before anyone like MOTD's Shearer says it is not Clattenburg fault that the linesman fails to give the CLEAR offsite can I just point out :-
Norwich : Belly flop by holt - S BECK & Bryan.
Arsenal : Shirt pull by Fonte while Giroud is PULLING Jos shirt - S BECK & HOLMES (same as whu).
Everton : Failed to give CLEAR handball in 85min - S BECK & Child
WHU : Same as Arsenal S BECK & HOLMES for the CLEAR offsite.

IMO the Ref tells his assistants who he wants decisions to go "for" & "against" and imo Clattenburg isn't fit to Ref "sunday morning parks league football"

We need to get Krueger and a few of his Ice Hockey mates to tell Mike Riley that sending Clueless Clattenburg and his assistants to Saints games is unacceptable.
Ice hockey is a rough, tough sport but I don't think you see much arguing with referees. Scandinavian and North American Saints, what do you think?
[quote][p][bold]Golden_Salamander[/bold] wrote: Does anybody which of S BECK or HOLMES failed to raise his flag ? Before anyone like MOTD's Shearer says it is not Clattenburg fault that the linesman fails to give the CLEAR offsite can I just point out :- Norwich : Belly flop by holt - S BECK & Bryan. Arsenal : Shirt pull by Fonte while Giroud is PULLING Jos shirt - S BECK & HOLMES (same as whu). Everton : Failed to give CLEAR handball in 85min - S BECK & Child WHU : Same as Arsenal S BECK & HOLMES for the CLEAR offsite. IMO the Ref tells his assistants who he wants decisions to go "for" & "against" and imo Clattenburg isn't fit to Ref "sunday morning parks league football" We need to get Krueger and a few of his Ice Hockey mates to tell Mike Riley that sending Clueless Clattenburg and his assistants to Saints games is unacceptable.[/p][/quote]Ice hockey is a rough, tough sport but I don't think you see much arguing with referees. Scandinavian and North American Saints, what do you think? Rising_Son
  • Score: 1

8:21am Mon 24 Feb 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Norwegian Saint wrote:
Clatterbrain games v Saints
Norwich (a), Norwich player falls in box Result: PENALTY
Arsenal (a), a slight tug by Fonte on Mertesaker. PENALTY
Everton (a), player raises hand inside area to stop a cross : NO PENALTY
Wet Spam (a), player raises hand inside area to stop a cross : NO PENALTY

I see a pattern happening here
And a clearly offside goal. I was behind the goal and thought it was off but because of my angle to it couldn't be sure so I texted Bill to check. And before anyone says lino - refs are allowed to overrule linos and often do.
[quote][p][bold]Norwegian Saint[/bold] wrote: Clatterbrain games v Saints Norwich (a), Norwich player falls in box Result: PENALTY Arsenal (a), a slight tug by Fonte on Mertesaker. PENALTY Everton (a), player raises hand inside area to stop a cross : NO PENALTY Wet Spam (a), player raises hand inside area to stop a cross : NO PENALTY I see a pattern happening here[/p][/quote]And a clearly offside goal. I was behind the goal and thought it was off but because of my angle to it couldn't be sure so I texted Bill to check. And before anyone says lino - refs are allowed to overrule linos and often do. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 5

8:32am Mon 24 Feb 14

SFCOLDBOY says...

Although the goal was clearly offside, unfortunately this is an effect of our defenders playing the "High Line".
This method of play constricts the room in midfield and allows our midfield players to control this area with their sharp passing.
The other benefit is, they are close enough to swamp the opposition, to retrieve the ball when it is lost.
The deficit of this policy is we are totally reliant on the linesmen to get their offside decisions correct when a player runs through.
It's a dangerous tactic, when you leave decisions that are out of the teams control.
We have been caught several times this way this season but on ballance it has worked well,when our forwards are firing.
I very much like our style of play but this tactic needs more thought for next season.
COYS.
Although the goal was clearly offside, unfortunately this is an effect of our defenders playing the "High Line". This method of play constricts the room in midfield and allows our midfield players to control this area with their sharp passing. The other benefit is, they are close enough to swamp the opposition, to retrieve the ball when it is lost. The deficit of this policy is we are totally reliant on the linesmen to get their offside decisions correct when a player runs through. It's a dangerous tactic, when you leave decisions that are out of the teams control. We have been caught several times this way this season but on ballance it has worked well,when our forwards are firing. I very much like our style of play but this tactic needs more thought for next season. COYS. SFCOLDBOY
  • Score: 8

8:43am Mon 24 Feb 14

Rising_Son says...

SFCOLDBOY wrote:
Although the goal was clearly offside, unfortunately this is an effect of our defenders playing the "High Line".
This method of play constricts the room in midfield and allows our midfield players to control this area with their sharp passing.
The other benefit is, they are close enough to swamp the opposition, to retrieve the ball when it is lost.
The deficit of this policy is we are totally reliant on the linesmen to get their offside decisions correct when a player runs through.
It's a dangerous tactic, when you leave decisions that are out of the teams control.
We have been caught several times this way this season but on ballance it has worked well,when our forwards are firing.
I very much like our style of play but this tactic needs more thought for next season.
COYS.
Every strategy has its strengths and its weaknesses. Which one to use is a choice every team has to make, at least until we can train players to be in different places and doing different things at the same time.
[quote][p][bold]SFCOLDBOY[/bold] wrote: Although the goal was clearly offside, unfortunately this is an effect of our defenders playing the "High Line". This method of play constricts the room in midfield and allows our midfield players to control this area with their sharp passing. The other benefit is, they are close enough to swamp the opposition, to retrieve the ball when it is lost. The deficit of this policy is we are totally reliant on the linesmen to get their offside decisions correct when a player runs through. It's a dangerous tactic, when you leave decisions that are out of the teams control. We have been caught several times this way this season but on ballance it has worked well,when our forwards are firing. I very much like our style of play but this tactic needs more thought for next season. COYS.[/p][/quote]Every strategy has its strengths and its weaknesses. Which one to use is a choice every team has to make, at least until we can train players to be in different places and doing different things at the same time. Rising_Son
  • Score: 2

9:36am Mon 24 Feb 14

There's only one 'H' in 'Ampshire says...

Even more than not giving the offside and penalty was the general disparity in giving fouls. Every time one of our smaller players gave a Wet Spam heavy a minor nudge it was a free kick
Yet he ignored time and again them clattering into us and sending our players flying

One really was left with the impression this was not a disinterested display from Mr Clatter burg
Even more than not giving the offside and penalty was the general disparity in giving fouls. Every time one of our smaller players gave a Wet Spam heavy a minor nudge it was a free kick Yet he ignored time and again them clattering into us and sending our players flying One really was left with the impression this was not a disinterested display from Mr Clatter burg There's only one 'H' in 'Ampshire
  • Score: 8

9:40am Mon 24 Feb 14

Egomaniac says...

Whether or not the goal was offside is totally irrelevant. Over a season the pros and cons tend to even out, so let's not harp on about the offside in this case.

What is relevant is the fact that Saints had 69% possession and played some great football - but only took one chance! West ham had only 31% possession and scored three goals. That's the important factor - nothing to do with Clattenburg for heaven's sake!

There is a basic weakness in the Saints' team at present - the lack of an effective striker or strikers. Take a look at Liverpool - two, possibly three very effective on form strikers - who take their chances. Indeed that is what will be our undoing next weekend I'm afraid.

Take a close look at MP's body language of late. I detect the signs of a manager who is not too happy at present, and I really fear we may lose him in the summer.

I am a die hard Saints fan, always have been, and always will be, whatever our fortunes. However, I detect some difficult times ahead - just a horrible gut feeling. I truly hope I am wrong, but ………...
Whether or not the goal was offside is totally irrelevant. Over a season the pros and cons tend to even out, so let's not harp on about the offside in this case. What is relevant is the fact that Saints had 69% possession and played some great football - but only took one chance! West ham had only 31% possession and scored three goals. That's the important factor - nothing to do with Clattenburg for heaven's sake! There is a basic weakness in the Saints' team at present - the lack of an effective striker or strikers. Take a look at Liverpool - two, possibly three very effective on form strikers - who take their chances. Indeed that is what will be our undoing next weekend I'm afraid. Take a close look at MP's body language of late. I detect the signs of a manager who is not too happy at present, and I really fear we may lose him in the summer. I am a die hard Saints fan, always have been, and always will be, whatever our fortunes. However, I detect some difficult times ahead - just a horrible gut feeling. I truly hope I am wrong, but ………... Egomaniac
  • Score: 11

9:52am Mon 24 Feb 14

expatsaint says...

We sound like a bunch of whingeing kids. Every team in every match has reasons to bemoan marginal decisions, biased officials and perceived "favourtism." That is football and it was ever thus; what is very clear this season is that Saints create almost more goal-scoring opportunities than our opponents in virtually every match - we simply do not put them away. That is the issue that needs to be addressed and commented upon - forget all the other stuff, it is irrelevant, unconstructive and fails to deal with the real problem.
We sound like a bunch of whingeing kids. Every team in every match has reasons to bemoan marginal decisions, biased officials and perceived "favourtism." That is football and it was ever thus; what is very clear this season is that Saints create almost more goal-scoring opportunities than our opponents in virtually every match - we simply do not put them away. That is the issue that needs to be addressed and commented upon - forget all the other stuff, it is irrelevant, unconstructive and fails to deal with the real problem. expatsaint
  • Score: 8

9:53am Mon 24 Feb 14

markodarko29 says...

i think the trouble at the moment with saints is we rely to much on lambert ,rodrigues, lallana to score the goals the likes of sneiderlain, cork ,davis ,ward prowse, wanyama are not chipping in enough ,we need more goals from midfied if we want to get in the top 6
i think the trouble at the moment with saints is we rely to much on lambert ,rodrigues, lallana to score the goals the likes of sneiderlain, cork ,davis ,ward prowse, wanyama are not chipping in enough ,we need more goals from midfied if we want to get in the top 6 markodarko29
  • Score: 18

9:56am Mon 24 Feb 14

Jesus_02 says...

Clattenburg referees.. Saints Lose... situation is normallised
Clattenburg referees.. Saints Lose... situation is normallised Jesus_02
  • Score: 2

10:14am Mon 24 Feb 14

Clever Dick says...

As MoPo said. "The stars are not with us when Clutterbrain is the ref". And" the refereeing decisions actually changed the game". It's a very diplomatic way of saying that he has cheated us yet again. It's a f--king disgrace we keep getting this moron and it should be very obvious to even the complete fools at the FA that there is a hidden agenda here,given that we lose every time hie is in charge.
As MoPo said. "The stars are not with us when Clutterbrain is the ref". And" the refereeing decisions actually changed the game". It's a very diplomatic way of saying that he has cheated us yet again. It's a f--king disgrace we keep getting this moron and it should be very obvious to even the complete fools at the FA that there is a hidden agenda here,given that we lose every time hie is in charge. Clever Dick
  • Score: 5

10:18am Mon 24 Feb 14

Malcombe says...

When I Refereed in the 90s if I had Officials or Club Linesmen I would expect them to raise the Flag if a Player is offside because I could not see if the attacking Player is between the last opposing Player and the Goal Keeper unless it was very obvious.

In Pro Football a Linesman/Assistant is of course a qualified Referee and the job is concentrate 100% and stay in line with the last Defender however one second lapse of concentration known as Ball watching a mistake can be costly.

An Assistants job is as important as the Referee, all the Officials are assessed in every game and the Referee has total responsibility on the Pitch but not every decision because it's impossible, if an Assistant makes a mistake re offside the Referee cannot be to blame as he or she is usually metres behind the attacking Player and the last Defender, I have seen many games when the Goal Keeper is 1 or more metres out of the Penalty area when he releases a fly kick but I've never seen an Assistant flag up for handball yet the job of the Assistant is keep an eye on the Keeper with Goal kicks and Fly kicks.

As everyone knows who love Football it's never easy being a Referee or Assistant and nobody is infallible but it's not nice if a goal is scored then on a TV replay proved to be offside, nobody would complain if it counted for there Team, when I watch games I'm not totally bias for Referees and have often shouted at the TV come on Ref what was that for etc, most Referees in Pro Football are good and if they were not they would not Referee any Pro game.
When I Refereed in the 90s if I had Officials or Club Linesmen I would expect them to raise the Flag if a Player is offside because I could not see if the attacking Player is between the last opposing Player and the Goal Keeper unless it was very obvious. In Pro Football a Linesman/Assistant is of course a qualified Referee and the job is concentrate 100% and stay in line with the last Defender however one second lapse of concentration known as Ball watching a mistake can be costly. An Assistants job is as important as the Referee, all the Officials are assessed in every game and the Referee has total responsibility on the Pitch but not every decision because it's impossible, if an Assistant makes a mistake re offside the Referee cannot be to blame as he or she is usually metres behind the attacking Player and the last Defender, I have seen many games when the Goal Keeper is 1 or more metres out of the Penalty area when he releases a fly kick but I've never seen an Assistant flag up for handball yet the job of the Assistant is keep an eye on the Keeper with Goal kicks and Fly kicks. As everyone knows who love Football it's never easy being a Referee or Assistant and nobody is infallible but it's not nice if a goal is scored then on a TV replay proved to be offside, nobody would complain if it counted for there Team, when I watch games I'm not totally bias for Referees and have often shouted at the TV come on Ref what was that for etc, most Referees in Pro Football are good and if they were not they would not Referee any Pro game. Malcombe
  • Score: 6

10:28am Mon 24 Feb 14

Clever Dick says...

Malcombe wrote:
When I Refereed in the 90s if I had Officials or Club Linesmen I would expect them to raise the Flag if a Player is offside because I could not see if the attacking Player is between the last opposing Player and the Goal Keeper unless it was very obvious.

In Pro Football a Linesman/Assistant is of course a qualified Referee and the job is concentrate 100% and stay in line with the last Defender however one second lapse of concentration known as Ball watching a mistake can be costly.

An Assistants job is as important as the Referee, all the Officials are assessed in every game and the Referee has total responsibility on the Pitch but not every decision because it's impossible, if an Assistant makes a mistake re offside the Referee cannot be to blame as he or she is usually metres behind the attacking Player and the last Defender, I have seen many games when the Goal Keeper is 1 or more metres out of the Penalty area when he releases a fly kick but I've never seen an Assistant flag up for handball yet the job of the Assistant is keep an eye on the Keeper with Goal kicks and Fly kicks.

As everyone knows who love Football it's never easy being a Referee or Assistant and nobody is infallible but it's not nice if a goal is scored then on a TV replay proved to be offside, nobody would complain if it counted for there Team, when I watch games I'm not totally bias for Referees and have often shouted at the TV come on Ref what was that for etc, most Referees in Pro Football are good and if they were not they would not Referee any Pro game.
And Clutterbrain's record against us speaks for itself. If he is being assessed every game on his peformances then he should have been stood down for a month ove his failure to give a 100% nailed on penalty in the Everton game, followed by his totally unproffessional comment toward Adam.
[quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: When I Refereed in the 90s if I had Officials or Club Linesmen I would expect them to raise the Flag if a Player is offside because I could not see if the attacking Player is between the last opposing Player and the Goal Keeper unless it was very obvious. In Pro Football a Linesman/Assistant is of course a qualified Referee and the job is concentrate 100% and stay in line with the last Defender however one second lapse of concentration known as Ball watching a mistake can be costly. An Assistants job is as important as the Referee, all the Officials are assessed in every game and the Referee has total responsibility on the Pitch but not every decision because it's impossible, if an Assistant makes a mistake re offside the Referee cannot be to blame as he or she is usually metres behind the attacking Player and the last Defender, I have seen many games when the Goal Keeper is 1 or more metres out of the Penalty area when he releases a fly kick but I've never seen an Assistant flag up for handball yet the job of the Assistant is keep an eye on the Keeper with Goal kicks and Fly kicks. As everyone knows who love Football it's never easy being a Referee or Assistant and nobody is infallible but it's not nice if a goal is scored then on a TV replay proved to be offside, nobody would complain if it counted for there Team, when I watch games I'm not totally bias for Referees and have often shouted at the TV come on Ref what was that for etc, most Referees in Pro Football are good and if they were not they would not Referee any Pro game.[/p][/quote]And Clutterbrain's record against us speaks for itself. If he is being assessed every game on his peformances then he should have been stood down for a month ove his failure to give a 100% nailed on penalty in the Everton game, followed by his totally unproffessional comment toward Adam. Clever Dick
  • Score: 3

10:50am Mon 24 Feb 14

There's only one 'H' in 'Ampshire says...

I would disagree with the view the ref is unimportant
Most teams are very evenly matched and goal opportunities rare (unlike say basketball)
Games can be won and lost on small margins - take the goal Sunderland scored against us - an inch higher from 25 yards out and it would have rebounded harmlessly of the crossbar.
In a situation where tiny margins making a difference, the ref can have a major detrimental effect on the game
The solution
Copy the egg-chasers (who have much more advanced ideas than football) and introduce video-reffing).
It will add to the game as it does in rugby and tennis with Hawkeye as the crown awaits the decision
I would disagree with the view the ref is unimportant Most teams are very evenly matched and goal opportunities rare (unlike say basketball) Games can be won and lost on small margins - take the goal Sunderland scored against us - an inch higher from 25 yards out and it would have rebounded harmlessly of the crossbar. In a situation where tiny margins making a difference, the ref can have a major detrimental effect on the game The solution Copy the egg-chasers (who have much more advanced ideas than football) and introduce video-reffing). It will add to the game as it does in rugby and tennis with Hawkeye as the crown awaits the decision There's only one 'H' in 'Ampshire
  • Score: 0

10:55am Mon 24 Feb 14

killared says...

I think we should all move on from Saturday defeat. Yes it was a tight offside and a few decision went against us but the fact is we didn't take our chances and we LOST !.We were better than West Ham in everyway but our finish was poor an our players really need to work on that !
I think we should all move on from Saturday defeat. Yes it was a tight offside and a few decision went against us but the fact is we didn't take our chances and we LOST !.We were better than West Ham in everyway but our finish was poor an our players really need to work on that ! killared
  • Score: 8

11:10am Mon 24 Feb 14

beanwalking says...

I read somewhere that premier league refs get paid about £75000-£125000 a year depending on how many games they ref. Where as linesmen/women are only part time and get paid £5-600 per game. Maybe that's the reason we lost again. Hope Sian runs the line again for the Liverpool game. I think she is very good and fair. Looking forward to another cracking game on Saturday.
I read somewhere that premier league refs get paid about £75000-£125000 a year depending on how many games they ref. Where as linesmen/women are only part time and get paid £5-600 per game. Maybe that's the reason we lost again. Hope Sian runs the line again for the Liverpool game. I think she is very good and fair. Looking forward to another cracking game on Saturday. beanwalking
  • Score: 2

11:12am Mon 24 Feb 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Egomaniac wrote:
Whether or not the goal was offside is totally irrelevant. Over a season the pros and cons tend to even out, so let's not harp on about the offside in this case.

What is relevant is the fact that Saints had 69% possession and played some great football - but only took one chance! West ham had only 31% possession and scored three goals. That's the important factor - nothing to do with Clattenburg for heaven's sake!

There is a basic weakness in the Saints' team at present - the lack of an effective striker or strikers. Take a look at Liverpool - two, possibly three very effective on form strikers - who take their chances. Indeed that is what will be our undoing next weekend I'm afraid.

Take a close look at MP's body language of late. I detect the signs of a manager who is not too happy at present, and I really fear we may lose him in the summer.

I am a die hard Saints fan, always have been, and always will be, whatever our fortunes. However, I detect some difficult times ahead - just a horrible gut feeling. I truly hope I am wrong, but ………...
It isn't irrelevant, we were one up and forcing them to come on to us which was the game plan as that creates the space for us to operate in rather than the parked bus mentality. It was the wrong decision by the officials yet again.

We do lack a striker, it's just very unfortunate that our record signing turned out to be a numpty and we've had to ship him out leaving us a man down - the one that should have been our best man too and so we are not killing games off.

Either way we are doing exceptionally well for the 2nd season back on the world stage and MoPo should be absolutely delighted. He's got people talking about us. Did he really expect to be in the top 6 this year? I find that hard to believe. Provided Kat backs him in the summer with a couple of top quality signings why would he be unhappy here? Once he's taken us as far as he can he will be off, but I think we are well short of that at the moment.
[quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: Whether or not the goal was offside is totally irrelevant. Over a season the pros and cons tend to even out, so let's not harp on about the offside in this case. What is relevant is the fact that Saints had 69% possession and played some great football - but only took one chance! West ham had only 31% possession and scored three goals. That's the important factor - nothing to do with Clattenburg for heaven's sake! There is a basic weakness in the Saints' team at present - the lack of an effective striker or strikers. Take a look at Liverpool - two, possibly three very effective on form strikers - who take their chances. Indeed that is what will be our undoing next weekend I'm afraid. Take a close look at MP's body language of late. I detect the signs of a manager who is not too happy at present, and I really fear we may lose him in the summer. I am a die hard Saints fan, always have been, and always will be, whatever our fortunes. However, I detect some difficult times ahead - just a horrible gut feeling. I truly hope I am wrong, but ………...[/p][/quote]It isn't irrelevant, we were one up and forcing them to come on to us which was the game plan as that creates the space for us to operate in rather than the parked bus mentality. It was the wrong decision by the officials yet again. We do lack a striker, it's just very unfortunate that our record signing turned out to be a numpty and we've had to ship him out leaving us a man down - the one that should have been our best man too and so we are not killing games off. Either way we are doing exceptionally well for the 2nd season back on the world stage and MoPo should be absolutely delighted. He's got people talking about us. Did he really expect to be in the top 6 this year? I find that hard to believe. Provided Kat backs him in the summer with a couple of top quality signings why would he be unhappy here? Once he's taken us as far as he can he will be off, but I think we are well short of that at the moment. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 12

11:19am Mon 24 Feb 14

bathsaints says...

As with others I agree that although the offside goal was another unfair decision against us we also have to look at how much possesion and chances we created. As the away-side we were far superior but we seem to have an inability to fully kill teams off. I hope MoPo stays and I hope he is backed in the transfer window (as well as hold onto our current stars) and that we push on next season. It'd be good to have a strong finish. Lets let the football do the talking and aim to finish as strongly as we can. We won't win them all but we do need to give ourselves more of a chance by being a bit more clinical (as well as cutting out the odd mistake at the back). Still positive though and lets beat Liverpool 5-4 on Saturday!
As with others I agree that although the offside goal was another unfair decision against us we also have to look at how much possesion and chances we created. As the away-side we were far superior but we seem to have an inability to fully kill teams off. I hope MoPo stays and I hope he is backed in the transfer window (as well as hold onto our current stars) and that we push on next season. It'd be good to have a strong finish. Lets let the football do the talking and aim to finish as strongly as we can. We won't win them all but we do need to give ourselves more of a chance by being a bit more clinical (as well as cutting out the odd mistake at the back). Still positive though and lets beat Liverpool 5-4 on Saturday! bathsaints
  • Score: 2

12:39pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Golden_Salamander says...

Changing the subject has anybody noticed that Saints play the "North London yobos" on Sunday March 23 at 1:30 and Saints always take their full allocation..

And we all know how the skates supporters are fickle and switch their support at a moment notice. Well Gosport will be at Wembley that afternoon as well.
?? problems at Waterloo ? Hole in the wall ?
Changing the subject has anybody noticed that Saints play the "North London yobos" on Sunday March 23 at 1:30 and Saints always take their full allocation.. And we all know how the skates supporters are fickle and switch their support at a moment notice. Well Gosport will be at Wembley that afternoon as well. ?? problems at Waterloo ? Hole in the wall ? Golden_Salamander
  • Score: 0

12:43pm Mon 24 Feb 14

NewForestStu says...

One of those games i'm afraid. At the time i said to my mate after Lallana was clear through and scuffed his shot that we were not going to get anything today.

Whilst imo Clattenburg wouldnt have viewed the offside goal very easily, the linesman on that side was a joke. Whilst we got a booking, several minutes later a far worst foul in the same position went unpunished.

I have to admit Collins, Nolan and Cole all played very well against us and with that bit of luck got the 3 points.

Whilst we have a number of strikers at the club (and Gallagher to come through the ranks) i feel a top drawer front man would ease the pressure (cannot gripe tho as that is what Ossie was meant to do, but gald we got rid).

My only other slight concern (and i will no doubt get slated for this) is that whilst 80% of the time he plays well but our keeper does tend to mess around too much for my liking. He also appears somewhat a bit too blase and casual. If only we still had Niemi!!!!

Still, only my views....bad day (well result aside i had a good day out ;-) ) move on to Liverpool, and i do think we are gonna get something from this game.
One of those games i'm afraid. At the time i said to my mate after Lallana was clear through and scuffed his shot that we were not going to get anything today. Whilst imo Clattenburg wouldnt have viewed the offside goal very easily, the linesman on that side was a joke. Whilst we got a booking, several minutes later a far worst foul in the same position went unpunished. I have to admit Collins, Nolan and Cole all played very well against us and with that bit of luck got the 3 points. Whilst we have a number of strikers at the club (and Gallagher to come through the ranks) i feel a top drawer front man would ease the pressure (cannot gripe tho as that is what Ossie was meant to do, but gald we got rid). My only other slight concern (and i will no doubt get slated for this) is that whilst 80% of the time he plays well but our keeper does tend to mess around too much for my liking. He also appears somewhat a bit too blase and casual. If only we still had Niemi!!!! Still, only my views....bad day (well result aside i had a good day out ;-) ) move on to Liverpool, and i do think we are gonna get something from this game. NewForestStu
  • Score: 5

12:53pm Mon 24 Feb 14

NewForestStu says...

beanwalking wrote:
I read somewhere that premier league refs get paid about £75000-£125000 a year depending on how many games they ref. Where as linesmen/women are only part time and get paid £5-600 per game. Maybe that's the reason we lost again. Hope Sian runs the line again for the Liverpool game. I think she is very good and fair. Looking forward to another cracking game on Saturday.
Sian.....was she the one at St. Marys that missed the ball being out of play (on the Kingsland side) a few months back by about three yards? ;-)
[quote][p][bold]beanwalking[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that premier league refs get paid about £75000-£125000 a year depending on how many games they ref. Where as linesmen/women are only part time and get paid £5-600 per game. Maybe that's the reason we lost again. Hope Sian runs the line again for the Liverpool game. I think she is very good and fair. Looking forward to another cracking game on Saturday.[/p][/quote]Sian.....was she the one at St. Marys that missed the ball being out of play (on the Kingsland side) a few months back by about three yards? ;-) NewForestStu
  • Score: 1

12:57pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Crodney says...

Norwegian Saint wrote:
Clatterbrain games v Saints
Norwich (a), Norwich player falls in box Result: PENALTY
Arsenal (a), a slight tug by Fonte on Mertesaker. PENALTY
Everton (a), player raises hand inside area to stop a cross : NO PENALTY
Wet Spam (a), player raises hand inside area to stop a cross : NO PENALTY

I see a pattern happening here

Last season - he gave a foul against Clyne on the edge of the Saints pen area. I was in line with that - definitely no foul as confirmed on the replay later. Due to Gazza fumbling, Norwich equalised. That was Clattenberg's first game after the Chelsea incident. After about an hour of 50/50's going to Norwich, the Northam crown chanted - "we always get a shirt referee". Suddenly it was noticeable that the 50/50's started going to Saints. In my view a very poor referee - shows bias not just in Saints matches. As as been said by others above - some "interesting" aspects to his private life as well. I believe refs do tell their assistants what to look for - as said by some former refs in their autobiographies.
Norwegian Saint wrote: Clatterbrain games v Saints Norwich (a), Norwich player falls in box Result: PENALTY Arsenal (a), a slight tug by Fonte on Mertesaker. PENALTY Everton (a), player raises hand inside area to stop a cross : NO PENALTY Wet Spam (a), player raises hand inside area to stop a cross : NO PENALTY I see a pattern happening here Last season - he gave a foul against Clyne on the edge of the Saints pen area. I was in line with that - definitely no foul as confirmed on the replay later. Due to Gazza fumbling, Norwich equalised. That was Clattenberg's first game after the Chelsea incident. After about an hour of 50/50's going to Norwich, the Northam crown chanted - "we always get a shirt referee". Suddenly it was noticeable that the 50/50's started going to Saints. In my view a very poor referee - shows bias not just in Saints matches. As as been said by others above - some "interesting" aspects to his private life as well. I believe refs do tell their assistants what to look for - as said by some former refs in their autobiographies. Crodney
  • Score: 1

1:05pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Poole Tom says...

NewForestStu wrote:
One of those games i'm afraid. At the time i said to my mate after Lallana was clear through and scuffed his shot that we were not going to get anything today.

Whilst imo Clattenburg wouldnt have viewed the offside goal very easily, the linesman on that side was a joke. Whilst we got a booking, several minutes later a far worst foul in the same position went unpunished.

I have to admit Collins, Nolan and Cole all played very well against us and with that bit of luck got the 3 points.

Whilst we have a number of strikers at the club (and Gallagher to come through the ranks) i feel a top drawer front man would ease the pressure (cannot gripe tho as that is what Ossie was meant to do, but gald we got rid).

My only other slight concern (and i will no doubt get slated for this) is that whilst 80% of the time he plays well but our keeper does tend to mess around too much for my liking. He also appears somewhat a bit too blase and casual. If only we still had Niemi!!!!

Still, only my views....bad day (well result aside i had a good day out ;-) ) move on to Liverpool, and i do think we are gonna get something from this game.
If Cardiff go down as I expect them to, maybe a bid for their keeper Marshall would`nt be a bad idea?
[quote][p][bold]NewForestStu[/bold] wrote: One of those games i'm afraid. At the time i said to my mate after Lallana was clear through and scuffed his shot that we were not going to get anything today. Whilst imo Clattenburg wouldnt have viewed the offside goal very easily, the linesman on that side was a joke. Whilst we got a booking, several minutes later a far worst foul in the same position went unpunished. I have to admit Collins, Nolan and Cole all played very well against us and with that bit of luck got the 3 points. Whilst we have a number of strikers at the club (and Gallagher to come through the ranks) i feel a top drawer front man would ease the pressure (cannot gripe tho as that is what Ossie was meant to do, but gald we got rid). My only other slight concern (and i will no doubt get slated for this) is that whilst 80% of the time he plays well but our keeper does tend to mess around too much for my liking. He also appears somewhat a bit too blase and casual. If only we still had Niemi!!!! Still, only my views....bad day (well result aside i had a good day out ;-) ) move on to Liverpool, and i do think we are gonna get something from this game.[/p][/quote]If Cardiff go down as I expect them to, maybe a bid for their keeper Marshall would`nt be a bad idea? Poole Tom
  • Score: 2

1:10pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Saint 2701 says...

The simple fact is that we need someone to put the ball in the back of the net. Unfortunetely, Rickie has been well and truely found out at this level. IMO we have 2 options, risk signing another striker for £15-20 million or try to bring Osvaldo back into the fold. I would give Osvaldo preseason to impress, if his attitude still stinks, move him on. I believe he will flourish with Ramirez playing behind him, never really got the service he thrives on with J-Rod, Lallana and S Davis IMO.
The simple fact is that we need someone to put the ball in the back of the net. Unfortunetely, Rickie has been well and truely found out at this level. IMO we have 2 options, risk signing another striker for £15-20 million or try to bring Osvaldo back into the fold. I would give Osvaldo preseason to impress, if his attitude still stinks, move him on. I believe he will flourish with Ramirez playing behind him, never really got the service he thrives on with J-Rod, Lallana and S Davis IMO. Saint 2701
  • Score: -10

1:16pm Mon 24 Feb 14

NewForestStu says...

Saint 2701 wrote:
The simple fact is that we need someone to put the ball in the back of the net. Unfortunetely, Rickie has been well and truely found out at this level. IMO we have 2 options, risk signing another striker for £15-20 million or try to bring Osvaldo back into the fold. I would give Osvaldo preseason to impress, if his attitude still stinks, move him on. I believe he will flourish with Ramirez playing behind him, never really got the service he thrives on with J-Rod, Lallana and S Davis IMO.
Sorry, do not agree with what you are saying. Rickie been found out? Even when he does not score he adds so much with his football brain to our game......also to bring Ossie back would be ludicrous (just my take on it tho).

Whilst we all want more or better players look at where we are nowadays.....most games we have good quality players (some internationals) on the bench to come on. This shows how strong our squad and club currently is.....go back 10 - 15 years.....we would have been bringing on the likes of Magilton or Maddison (no disrespect meant to either). Happy days, just wished we had progressed in the FA Cup.
[quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: The simple fact is that we need someone to put the ball in the back of the net. Unfortunetely, Rickie has been well and truely found out at this level. IMO we have 2 options, risk signing another striker for £15-20 million or try to bring Osvaldo back into the fold. I would give Osvaldo preseason to impress, if his attitude still stinks, move him on. I believe he will flourish with Ramirez playing behind him, never really got the service he thrives on with J-Rod, Lallana and S Davis IMO.[/p][/quote]Sorry, do not agree with what you are saying. Rickie been found out? Even when he does not score he adds so much with his football brain to our game......also to bring Ossie back would be ludicrous (just my take on it tho). Whilst we all want more or better players look at where we are nowadays.....most games we have good quality players (some internationals) on the bench to come on. This shows how strong our squad and club currently is.....go back 10 - 15 years.....we would have been bringing on the likes of Magilton or Maddison (no disrespect meant to either). Happy days, just wished we had progressed in the FA Cup. NewForestStu
  • Score: 3

1:17pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Egomaniac says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Egomaniac wrote:
Whether or not the goal was offside is totally irrelevant. Over a season the pros and cons tend to even out, so let's not harp on about the offside in this case.

What is relevant is the fact that Saints had 69% possession and played some great football - but only took one chance! West ham had only 31% possession and scored three goals. That's the important factor - nothing to do with Clattenburg for heaven's sake!

There is a basic weakness in the Saints' team at present - the lack of an effective striker or strikers. Take a look at Liverpool - two, possibly three very effective on form strikers - who take their chances. Indeed that is what will be our undoing next weekend I'm afraid.

Take a close look at MP's body language of late. I detect the signs of a manager who is not too happy at present, and I really fear we may lose him in the summer.

I am a die hard Saints fan, always have been, and always will be, whatever our fortunes. However, I detect some difficult times ahead - just a horrible gut feeling. I truly hope I am wrong, but ………...
It isn't irrelevant, we were one up and forcing them to come on to us which was the game plan as that creates the space for us to operate in rather than the parked bus mentality. It was the wrong decision by the officials yet again.

We do lack a striker, it's just very unfortunate that our record signing turned out to be a numpty and we've had to ship him out leaving us a man down - the one that should have been our best man too and so we are not killing games off.

Either way we are doing exceptionally well for the 2nd season back on the world stage and MoPo should be absolutely delighted. He's got people talking about us. Did he really expect to be in the top 6 this year? I find that hard to believe. Provided Kat backs him in the summer with a couple of top quality signings why would he be unhappy here? Once he's taken us as far as he can he will be off, but I think we are well short of that at the moment.
I think generally we are at one Seedhouse! Our only real difference is the offside decision - it was marginal at best, and a Premiership side with our quality should not allow it to influence the rest of the game - or at worse we should have the nous to counter West Ham's change of tactics.

If we can procure a quality striker (or two) in the next window, then the Saints will take some stopping! In the meantime we have to start taking the many chances we make. As we saw on Saturday, possession is meaningless if we don't!

It has been a fabulous season generally - no-one can argue with that - and as a long serving supporter for me it has been one of the best in many a year (1976 excluded of curse!). We have certainly exceeded expectations bearing in mind we were in League 1 only four years ago. The achievement has been immense.

My comment regarding MP possibly leaving the ship in the summer is my own gut feeling, nothing more. Like I said - I really hope I am wrong.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: Whether or not the goal was offside is totally irrelevant. Over a season the pros and cons tend to even out, so let's not harp on about the offside in this case. What is relevant is the fact that Saints had 69% possession and played some great football - but only took one chance! West ham had only 31% possession and scored three goals. That's the important factor - nothing to do with Clattenburg for heaven's sake! There is a basic weakness in the Saints' team at present - the lack of an effective striker or strikers. Take a look at Liverpool - two, possibly three very effective on form strikers - who take their chances. Indeed that is what will be our undoing next weekend I'm afraid. Take a close look at MP's body language of late. I detect the signs of a manager who is not too happy at present, and I really fear we may lose him in the summer. I am a die hard Saints fan, always have been, and always will be, whatever our fortunes. However, I detect some difficult times ahead - just a horrible gut feeling. I truly hope I am wrong, but ………...[/p][/quote]It isn't irrelevant, we were one up and forcing them to come on to us which was the game plan as that creates the space for us to operate in rather than the parked bus mentality. It was the wrong decision by the officials yet again. We do lack a striker, it's just very unfortunate that our record signing turned out to be a numpty and we've had to ship him out leaving us a man down - the one that should have been our best man too and so we are not killing games off. Either way we are doing exceptionally well for the 2nd season back on the world stage and MoPo should be absolutely delighted. He's got people talking about us. Did he really expect to be in the top 6 this year? I find that hard to believe. Provided Kat backs him in the summer with a couple of top quality signings why would he be unhappy here? Once he's taken us as far as he can he will be off, but I think we are well short of that at the moment.[/p][/quote]I think generally we are at one Seedhouse! Our only real difference is the offside decision - it was marginal at best, and a Premiership side with our quality should not allow it to influence the rest of the game - or at worse we should have the nous to counter West Ham's change of tactics. If we can procure a quality striker (or two) in the next window, then the Saints will take some stopping! In the meantime we have to start taking the many chances we make. As we saw on Saturday, possession is meaningless if we don't! It has been a fabulous season generally - no-one can argue with that - and as a long serving supporter for me it has been one of the best in many a year (1976 excluded of curse!). We have certainly exceeded expectations bearing in mind we were in League 1 only four years ago. The achievement has been immense. My comment regarding MP possibly leaving the ship in the summer is my own gut feeling, nothing more. Like I said - I really hope I am wrong. Egomaniac
  • Score: 6

1:52pm Mon 24 Feb 14

drkensta says...

Our record of missed chances in front of goal could cost us dearly against Liverpool, but if we can get some first time on target finishing going this Saturday we will have a good chance of taking maximum points. In their match against Swansea, Liverpool showed that they have a strike team to dream of, but their defense was less than ordinary, and against a fast on the ball and off the ball attack they are extremely vulnerable, especially in the middle of their defensive set-up. So forget about referee decisions, and get on and score more goals than them.
Our record of missed chances in front of goal could cost us dearly against Liverpool, but if we can get some first time on target finishing going this Saturday we will have a good chance of taking maximum points. In their match against Swansea, Liverpool showed that they have a strike team to dream of, but their defense was less than ordinary, and against a fast on the ball and off the ball attack they are extremely vulnerable, especially in the middle of their defensive set-up. So forget about referee decisions, and get on and score more goals than them. drkensta
  • Score: 3

1:56pm Mon 24 Feb 14

GHamilton says...

Egomaniac wrote:
Whether or not the goal was offside is totally irrelevant. Over a season the pros and cons tend to even out, so let's not harp on about the offside in this case. What is relevant is the fact that Saints had 69% possession and played some great football - but only took one chance! West ham had only 31% possession and scored three goals. That's the important factor - nothing to do with Clattenburg for heaven's sake! There is a basic weakness in the Saints' team at present - the lack of an effective striker or strikers. Take a look at Liverpool - two, possibly three very effective on form strikers - who take their chances. Indeed that is what will be our undoing next weekend I'm afraid. Take a close look at MP's body language of late. I detect the signs of a manager who is not too happy at present, and I really fear we may lose him in the summer. I am a die hard Saints fan, always have been, and always will be, whatever our fortunes. However, I detect some difficult times ahead - just a horrible gut feeling. I truly hope I am wrong, but ………...
You 're right. I feel the same as you in as much as we cant kill teams off with our finishing, and i sense your right about MP . My worry, is our transfer market activity. It's all well and good having plenty of cash, it's another thing entirely getting the goods. Out of the £35m spent, only £8m was a good investment (Lovern), Wanyama is not worth the £12m we payed for him, he gives us no better strength in midfield than Cork and contributes nothing to our goal tally. As for the other £15m we might manage to get some of it back. We will be fine this season and as stated on here by others we would have been more than chuffed with 9th at the start of the season as we enter into March...it's just frustrating that our style of play is not getting the rewards it deserves. I think MP will stay; hope so, despite his FA Cup antics he's been great for the club. As for KL....i can't see she will not invest heavily come the summer, only this time i think she'll want to see more due diligence done before she signs the cheques. We have came a long way as a club these past 4-5 years....you've only got to look at all our expectations!!
[quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: Whether or not the goal was offside is totally irrelevant. Over a season the pros and cons tend to even out, so let's not harp on about the offside in this case. What is relevant is the fact that Saints had 69% possession and played some great football - but only took one chance! West ham had only 31% possession and scored three goals. That's the important factor - nothing to do with Clattenburg for heaven's sake! There is a basic weakness in the Saints' team at present - the lack of an effective striker or strikers. Take a look at Liverpool - two, possibly three very effective on form strikers - who take their chances. Indeed that is what will be our undoing next weekend I'm afraid. Take a close look at MP's body language of late. I detect the signs of a manager who is not too happy at present, and I really fear we may lose him in the summer. I am a die hard Saints fan, always have been, and always will be, whatever our fortunes. However, I detect some difficult times ahead - just a horrible gut feeling. I truly hope I am wrong, but ………...[/p][/quote]You 're right. I feel the same as you in as much as we cant kill teams off with our finishing, and i sense your right about MP . My worry, is our transfer market activity. It's all well and good having plenty of cash, it's another thing entirely getting the goods. Out of the £35m spent, only £8m was a good investment (Lovern), Wanyama is not worth the £12m we payed for him, he gives us no better strength in midfield than Cork and contributes nothing to our goal tally. As for the other £15m we might manage to get some of it back. We will be fine this season and as stated on here by others we would have been more than chuffed with 9th at the start of the season as we enter into March...it's just frustrating that our style of play is not getting the rewards it deserves. I think MP will stay; hope so, despite his FA Cup antics he's been great for the club. As for KL....i can't see she will not invest heavily come the summer, only this time i think she'll want to see more due diligence done before she signs the cheques. We have came a long way as a club these past 4-5 years....you've only got to look at all our expectations!! GHamilton
  • Score: 2

2:03pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Saint 2701 says...

NewForestStu wrote:
Saint 2701 wrote:
The simple fact is that we need someone to put the ball in the back of the net. Unfortunetely, Rickie has been well and truely found out at this level. IMO we have 2 options, risk signing another striker for £15-20 million or try to bring Osvaldo back into the fold. I would give Osvaldo preseason to impress, if his attitude still stinks, move him on. I believe he will flourish with Ramirez playing behind him, never really got the service he thrives on with J-Rod, Lallana and S Davis IMO.
Sorry, do not agree with what you are saying. Rickie been found out? Even when he does not score he adds so much with his football brain to our game......also to bring Ossie back would be ludicrous (just my take on it tho).

Whilst we all want more or better players look at where we are nowadays.....most games we have good quality players (some internationals) on the bench to come on. This shows how strong our squad and club currently is.....go back 10 - 15 years.....we would have been bringing on the likes of Magilton or Maddison (no disrespect meant to either). Happy days, just wished we had progressed in the FA Cup.
Pochettino want's us to be playing champions league football. To get there you need alot of goals; something Lambert is just not doing at the moment. So yes he has been found out; teams have worked out how to stop him scoring and we have no plan B now. That means we need a new striker, to get a good striker we will need to spend £15 - 20 million, or get Osvaldo back.

Why would bringing Osvaldo back be ludicrous? Does anybody know both sides of the story? Are him and Fonte both professional footballers? Can they both act like grown men and shake hands and get on with it? Did we all forgive and embrace Jason Puncheon?
[quote][p][bold]NewForestStu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: The simple fact is that we need someone to put the ball in the back of the net. Unfortunetely, Rickie has been well and truely found out at this level. IMO we have 2 options, risk signing another striker for £15-20 million or try to bring Osvaldo back into the fold. I would give Osvaldo preseason to impress, if his attitude still stinks, move him on. I believe he will flourish with Ramirez playing behind him, never really got the service he thrives on with J-Rod, Lallana and S Davis IMO.[/p][/quote]Sorry, do not agree with what you are saying. Rickie been found out? Even when he does not score he adds so much with his football brain to our game......also to bring Ossie back would be ludicrous (just my take on it tho). Whilst we all want more or better players look at where we are nowadays.....most games we have good quality players (some internationals) on the bench to come on. This shows how strong our squad and club currently is.....go back 10 - 15 years.....we would have been bringing on the likes of Magilton or Maddison (no disrespect meant to either). Happy days, just wished we had progressed in the FA Cup.[/p][/quote]Pochettino want's us to be playing champions league football. To get there you need alot of goals; something Lambert is just not doing at the moment. So yes he has been found out; teams have worked out how to stop him scoring and we have no plan B now. That means we need a new striker, to get a good striker we will need to spend £15 - 20 million, or get Osvaldo back. Why would bringing Osvaldo back be ludicrous? Does anybody know both sides of the story? Are him and Fonte both professional footballers? Can they both act like grown men and shake hands and get on with it? Did we all forgive and embrace Jason Puncheon? Saint 2701
  • Score: -8

2:26pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Saint 2701 wrote:
NewForestStu wrote:
Saint 2701 wrote:
The simple fact is that we need someone to put the ball in the back of the net. Unfortunetely, Rickie has been well and truely found out at this level. IMO we have 2 options, risk signing another striker for £15-20 million or try to bring Osvaldo back into the fold. I would give Osvaldo preseason to impress, if his attitude still stinks, move him on. I believe he will flourish with Ramirez playing behind him, never really got the service he thrives on with J-Rod, Lallana and S Davis IMO.
Sorry, do not agree with what you are saying. Rickie been found out? Even when he does not score he adds so much with his football brain to our game......also to bring Ossie back would be ludicrous (just my take on it tho).

Whilst we all want more or better players look at where we are nowadays.....most games we have good quality players (some internationals) on the bench to come on. This shows how strong our squad and club currently is.....go back 10 - 15 years.....we would have been bringing on the likes of Magilton or Maddison (no disrespect meant to either). Happy days, just wished we had progressed in the FA Cup.
Pochettino want's us to be playing champions league football. To get there you need alot of goals; something Lambert is just not doing at the moment. So yes he has been found out; teams have worked out how to stop him scoring and we have no plan B now. That means we need a new striker, to get a good striker we will need to spend £15 - 20 million, or get Osvaldo back.

Why would bringing Osvaldo back be ludicrous? Does anybody know both sides of the story? Are him and Fonte both professional footballers? Can they both act like grown men and shake hands and get on with it? Did we all forgive and embrace Jason Puncheon?
I don't think it's about forgive and forget - as manager, players and supporters we should be able to do just that as you say. For me, from what I've seen with Osvaldo, he just isn't good enough he doesn't have the pace we need and is not the right type of striker for our squad. I believe we can get a better fit than him for £15-20m.
[quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NewForestStu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: The simple fact is that we need someone to put the ball in the back of the net. Unfortunetely, Rickie has been well and truely found out at this level. IMO we have 2 options, risk signing another striker for £15-20 million or try to bring Osvaldo back into the fold. I would give Osvaldo preseason to impress, if his attitude still stinks, move him on. I believe he will flourish with Ramirez playing behind him, never really got the service he thrives on with J-Rod, Lallana and S Davis IMO.[/p][/quote]Sorry, do not agree with what you are saying. Rickie been found out? Even when he does not score he adds so much with his football brain to our game......also to bring Ossie back would be ludicrous (just my take on it tho). Whilst we all want more or better players look at where we are nowadays.....most games we have good quality players (some internationals) on the bench to come on. This shows how strong our squad and club currently is.....go back 10 - 15 years.....we would have been bringing on the likes of Magilton or Maddison (no disrespect meant to either). Happy days, just wished we had progressed in the FA Cup.[/p][/quote]Pochettino want's us to be playing champions league football. To get there you need alot of goals; something Lambert is just not doing at the moment. So yes he has been found out; teams have worked out how to stop him scoring and we have no plan B now. That means we need a new striker, to get a good striker we will need to spend £15 - 20 million, or get Osvaldo back. Why would bringing Osvaldo back be ludicrous? Does anybody know both sides of the story? Are him and Fonte both professional footballers? Can they both act like grown men and shake hands and get on with it? Did we all forgive and embrace Jason Puncheon?[/p][/quote]I don't think it's about forgive and forget - as manager, players and supporters we should be able to do just that as you say. For me, from what I've seen with Osvaldo, he just isn't good enough he doesn't have the pace we need and is not the right type of striker for our squad. I believe we can get a better fit than him for £15-20m. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 6

2:29pm Mon 24 Feb 14

el caballo santos101 says...

I`ve seen a lot of mention of the off side being a `marginal decision` or its difficult for a linesman to see when the ball is kick and look at the advancing player at the same time. to me this is just plain wrong and just looking for excuses.
the linesman is a professional who is well paid and excellently trained to do a job, that job is mainly to give/not give off sides, occasionally they give free kicks but often leave it to the ref they also give the throw ins but also get overruled, especially when the ball goes out 45+ yards away.
so to this offside, the player was offside, it wasn't marginal, it was clear to everyone except the linesman. so could he not `see` when the ball was kicked and the player who was offside at the same time? well no that's almost impossible, but he doesn't have to see the ball being kicked, he can hear it. anyone around the ground can hear a ball being kicked even with a lot of crowd noise. so he only has to look at the offside player. in that case why didn't he get the right decision?
cluttenburke was also at fault several times during the game. noble was fouling left right and centre yet he wasn't booked, cluttenburke at one point warned him that he would be booked for his next foul, within ten mins noble made another bad tackle which cluttenburke gave a foul for, so was he booked? of course not he wasn't even spoken to. again why did cluttenburke not book him? the commentators were just as shocked as us.

so cluttenburke has bad game after bad game and what do the FA do? nothing, players and managers aren't allowed to criticize refs, and the FA are worried that by taking action against refs they wont get many people stepping up to ref in the future.

should we forget about linesmen then and have `video refs` of course not, it just wouldn't work in football. take hoofs goal, if we had a video ref he might have given it as offside but that would have taken time. football is a fast flowing game tennis and cricket aren't, we have also seen `bad calls` from the video refs/umpires in every sport that uses them. so your still not eliminating mistakes.

give the refs and linos help then and have 2 linesmen per side, 4 in total. either lino could then signal for offsides and they wouldn't have to give throw ins etc from the other end of the pitch.

saints should put another official complaint in against cluttenburke and do so every time he refs our games until the FA realise that he is awful and we don't want him!
I`ve seen a lot of mention of the off side being a `marginal decision` or its difficult for a linesman to see when the ball is kick and look at the advancing player at the same time. to me this is just plain wrong and just looking for excuses. the linesman is a professional who is well paid and excellently trained to do a job, that job is mainly to give/not give off sides, occasionally they give free kicks but often leave it to the ref they also give the throw ins but also get overruled, especially when the ball goes out 45+ yards away. so to this offside, the player was offside, it wasn't marginal, it was clear to everyone except the linesman. so could he not `see` when the ball was kicked and the player who was offside at the same time? well no that's almost impossible, but he doesn't have to see the ball being kicked, he can hear it. anyone around the ground can hear a ball being kicked even with a lot of crowd noise. so he only has to look at the offside player. in that case why didn't he get the right decision? cluttenburke was also at fault several times during the game. noble was fouling left right and centre yet he wasn't booked, cluttenburke at one point warned him that he would be booked for his next foul, within ten mins noble made another bad tackle which cluttenburke gave a foul for, so was he booked? of course not he wasn't even spoken to. again why did cluttenburke not book him? the commentators were just as shocked as us. so cluttenburke has bad game after bad game and what do the FA do? nothing, players and managers aren't allowed to criticize refs, and the FA are worried that by taking action against refs they wont get many people stepping up to ref in the future. should we forget about linesmen then and have `video refs` of course not, it just wouldn't work in football. take hoofs goal, if we had a video ref he might have given it as offside but that would have taken time. football is a fast flowing game tennis and cricket aren't, we have also seen `bad calls` from the video refs/umpires in every sport that uses them. so your still not eliminating mistakes. give the refs and linos help then and have 2 linesmen per side, 4 in total. either lino could then signal for offsides and they wouldn't have to give throw ins etc from the other end of the pitch. saints should put another official complaint in against cluttenburke and do so every time he refs our games until the FA realise that he is awful and we don't want him! el caballo santos101
  • Score: 1

2:45pm Mon 24 Feb 14

killared says...

@Seedhouse the Unrepentant

I agree with what you said that Osvaldo he's not good enough but remember at the moment we cannot buy a world class players as we are not in the Europa League or Champions League we can only buy second best , mercenaries or young talent at the moment !
@Seedhouse the Unrepentant I agree with what you said that Osvaldo he's not good enough but remember at the moment we cannot buy a world class players as we are not in the Europa League or Champions League we can only buy second best , mercenaries or young talent at the moment ! killared
  • Score: 1

2:58pm Mon 24 Feb 14

st1halo says...

Saint 2701 wrote:
NewForestStu wrote:
Saint 2701 wrote:
The simple fact is that we need someone to put the ball in the back of the net. Unfortunetely, Rickie has been well and truely found out at this level. IMO we have 2 options, risk signing another striker for £15-20 million or try to bring Osvaldo back into the fold. I would give Osvaldo preseason to impress, if his attitude still stinks, move him on. I believe he will flourish with Ramirez playing behind him, never really got the service he thrives on with J-Rod, Lallana and S Davis IMO.
Sorry, do not agree with what you are saying. Rickie been found out? Even when he does not score he adds so much with his football brain to our game......also to bring Ossie back would be ludicrous (just my take on it tho).

Whilst we all want more or better players look at where we are nowadays.....most games we have good quality players (some internationals) on the bench to come on. This shows how strong our squad and club currently is.....go back 10 - 15 years.....we would have been bringing on the likes of Magilton or Maddison (no disrespect meant to either). Happy days, just wished we had progressed in the FA Cup.
Pochettino want's us to be playing champions league football. To get there you need alot of goals; something Lambert is just not doing at the moment. So yes he has been found out; teams have worked out how to stop him scoring and we have no plan B now. That means we need a new striker, to get a good striker we will need to spend £15 - 20 million, or get Osvaldo back.

Why would bringing Osvaldo back be ludicrous? Does anybody know both sides of the story? Are him and Fonte both professional footballers? Can they both act like grown men and shake hands and get on with it? Did we all forgive and embrace Jason Puncheon?
Rickie Lambert - 8 goals - joint ithird highest english scorer with Welbeck.
7 assists - joint 3rd highest prem player with Silva and Giroud.

Not bad for someone who's been found out eh?

STID
*sings*
La lala la lalala la la... Rickie Lambert southampton's ......
[quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NewForestStu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: The simple fact is that we need someone to put the ball in the back of the net. Unfortunetely, Rickie has been well and truely found out at this level. IMO we have 2 options, risk signing another striker for £15-20 million or try to bring Osvaldo back into the fold. I would give Osvaldo preseason to impress, if his attitude still stinks, move him on. I believe he will flourish with Ramirez playing behind him, never really got the service he thrives on with J-Rod, Lallana and S Davis IMO.[/p][/quote]Sorry, do not agree with what you are saying. Rickie been found out? Even when he does not score he adds so much with his football brain to our game......also to bring Ossie back would be ludicrous (just my take on it tho). Whilst we all want more or better players look at where we are nowadays.....most games we have good quality players (some internationals) on the bench to come on. This shows how strong our squad and club currently is.....go back 10 - 15 years.....we would have been bringing on the likes of Magilton or Maddison (no disrespect meant to either). Happy days, just wished we had progressed in the FA Cup.[/p][/quote]Pochettino want's us to be playing champions league football. To get there you need alot of goals; something Lambert is just not doing at the moment. So yes he has been found out; teams have worked out how to stop him scoring and we have no plan B now. That means we need a new striker, to get a good striker we will need to spend £15 - 20 million, or get Osvaldo back. Why would bringing Osvaldo back be ludicrous? Does anybody know both sides of the story? Are him and Fonte both professional footballers? Can they both act like grown men and shake hands and get on with it? Did we all forgive and embrace Jason Puncheon?[/p][/quote]Rickie Lambert - 8 goals - joint ithird highest english scorer with Welbeck. 7 assists - joint 3rd highest prem player with Silva and Giroud. Not bad for someone who's been found out eh? STID *sings* La lala la lalala la la... Rickie Lambert southampton's ...... st1halo
  • Score: 7

4:03pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Saint 2701 says...

st1halo wrote:
Saint 2701 wrote:
NewForestStu wrote:
Saint 2701 wrote:
The simple fact is that we need someone to put the ball in the back of the net. Unfortunetely, Rickie has been well and truely found out at this level. IMO we have 2 options, risk signing another striker for £15-20 million or try to bring Osvaldo back into the fold. I would give Osvaldo preseason to impress, if his attitude still stinks, move him on. I believe he will flourish with Ramirez playing behind him, never really got the service he thrives on with J-Rod, Lallana and S Davis IMO.
Sorry, do not agree with what you are saying. Rickie been found out? Even when he does not score he adds so much with his football brain to our game......also to bring Ossie back would be ludicrous (just my take on it tho).

Whilst we all want more or better players look at where we are nowadays.....most games we have good quality players (some internationals) on the bench to come on. This shows how strong our squad and club currently is.....go back 10 - 15 years.....we would have been bringing on the likes of Magilton or Maddison (no disrespect meant to either). Happy days, just wished we had progressed in the FA Cup.
Pochettino want's us to be playing champions league football. To get there you need alot of goals; something Lambert is just not doing at the moment. So yes he has been found out; teams have worked out how to stop him scoring and we have no plan B now. That means we need a new striker, to get a good striker we will need to spend £15 - 20 million, or get Osvaldo back.

Why would bringing Osvaldo back be ludicrous? Does anybody know both sides of the story? Are him and Fonte both professional footballers? Can they both act like grown men and shake hands and get on with it? Did we all forgive and embrace Jason Puncheon?
Rickie Lambert - 8 goals - joint ithird highest english scorer with Welbeck.
7 assists - joint 3rd highest prem player with Silva and Giroud.

Not bad for someone who's been found out eh?

STID
*sings*
La lala la lalala la la... Rickie Lambert southampton's ......
Who's talking about highest English goal scorers?

3 goals from open play, yeah that is pretty bad for a striker eh?
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NewForestStu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: The simple fact is that we need someone to put the ball in the back of the net. Unfortunetely, Rickie has been well and truely found out at this level. IMO we have 2 options, risk signing another striker for £15-20 million or try to bring Osvaldo back into the fold. I would give Osvaldo preseason to impress, if his attitude still stinks, move him on. I believe he will flourish with Ramirez playing behind him, never really got the service he thrives on with J-Rod, Lallana and S Davis IMO.[/p][/quote]Sorry, do not agree with what you are saying. Rickie been found out? Even when he does not score he adds so much with his football brain to our game......also to bring Ossie back would be ludicrous (just my take on it tho). Whilst we all want more or better players look at where we are nowadays.....most games we have good quality players (some internationals) on the bench to come on. This shows how strong our squad and club currently is.....go back 10 - 15 years.....we would have been bringing on the likes of Magilton or Maddison (no disrespect meant to either). Happy days, just wished we had progressed in the FA Cup.[/p][/quote]Pochettino want's us to be playing champions league football. To get there you need alot of goals; something Lambert is just not doing at the moment. So yes he has been found out; teams have worked out how to stop him scoring and we have no plan B now. That means we need a new striker, to get a good striker we will need to spend £15 - 20 million, or get Osvaldo back. Why would bringing Osvaldo back be ludicrous? Does anybody know both sides of the story? Are him and Fonte both professional footballers? Can they both act like grown men and shake hands and get on with it? Did we all forgive and embrace Jason Puncheon?[/p][/quote]Rickie Lambert - 8 goals - joint ithird highest english scorer with Welbeck. 7 assists - joint 3rd highest prem player with Silva and Giroud. Not bad for someone who's been found out eh? STID *sings* La lala la lalala la la... Rickie Lambert southampton's ......[/p][/quote]Who's talking about highest English goal scorers? 3 goals from open play, yeah that is pretty bad for a striker eh? Saint 2701
  • Score: -5

4:06pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Abbey Saint says...

Clattenburg is banned from refereeing Newcastle because of his support for that club.
This weekend, Newcastle and Saints changed places in the premier league.

Just saying........
Clattenburg is banned from refereeing Newcastle because of his support for that club. This weekend, Newcastle and Saints changed places in the premier league. Just saying........ Abbey Saint
  • Score: 6

4:15pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Abbey Saint wrote:
Clattenburg is banned from refereeing Newcastle because of his support for that club.
This weekend, Newcastle and Saints changed places in the premier league.

Just saying........
Yes, and it involved a decision that has been proven to be wrong, says it all really.
[quote][p][bold]Abbey Saint[/bold] wrote: Clattenburg is banned from refereeing Newcastle because of his support for that club. This weekend, Newcastle and Saints changed places in the premier league. Just saying........[/p][/quote]Yes, and it involved a decision that has been proven to be wrong, says it all really. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 4

4:17pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Saint 2701 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Saint 2701 wrote:
NewForestStu wrote:
Saint 2701 wrote:
The simple fact is that we need someone to put the ball in the back of the net. Unfortunetely, Rickie has been well and truely found out at this level. IMO we have 2 options, risk signing another striker for £15-20 million or try to bring Osvaldo back into the fold. I would give Osvaldo preseason to impress, if his attitude still stinks, move him on. I believe he will flourish with Ramirez playing behind him, never really got the service he thrives on with J-Rod, Lallana and S Davis IMO.
Sorry, do not agree with what you are saying. Rickie been found out? Even when he does not score he adds so much with his football brain to our game......also to bring Ossie back would be ludicrous (just my take on it tho).

Whilst we all want more or better players look at where we are nowadays.....most games we have good quality players (some internationals) on the bench to come on. This shows how strong our squad and club currently is.....go back 10 - 15 years.....we would have been bringing on the likes of Magilton or Maddison (no disrespect meant to either). Happy days, just wished we had progressed in the FA Cup.
Pochettino want's us to be playing champions league football. To get there you need alot of goals; something Lambert is just not doing at the moment. So yes he has been found out; teams have worked out how to stop him scoring and we have no plan B now. That means we need a new striker, to get a good striker we will need to spend £15 - 20 million, or get Osvaldo back.

Why would bringing Osvaldo back be ludicrous? Does anybody know both sides of the story? Are him and Fonte both professional footballers? Can they both act like grown men and shake hands and get on with it? Did we all forgive and embrace Jason Puncheon?
I don't think it's about forgive and forget - as manager, players and supporters we should be able to do just that as you say. For me, from what I've seen with Osvaldo, he just isn't good enough he doesn't have the pace we need and is not the right type of striker for our squad. I believe we can get a better fit than him for £15-20m.
I don't think we've seen enough of him to make judgement. Obviously the PL is a much more aggressive and faster game than Serie A and like any player in that league, it would take time to adjust. He was never given the right service IMO, he needs the ball to feet and our players were still sussing him out and not picking up his runs. Would definitely be interesting to see him get on the end of the through balls Gaston is playing at the moment.

Anyway, i highly doubt he will return, but i think he shouldn't be completely written off just yet. Either way we need another striker in place of Lambert.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NewForestStu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: The simple fact is that we need someone to put the ball in the back of the net. Unfortunetely, Rickie has been well and truely found out at this level. IMO we have 2 options, risk signing another striker for £15-20 million or try to bring Osvaldo back into the fold. I would give Osvaldo preseason to impress, if his attitude still stinks, move him on. I believe he will flourish with Ramirez playing behind him, never really got the service he thrives on with J-Rod, Lallana and S Davis IMO.[/p][/quote]Sorry, do not agree with what you are saying. Rickie been found out? Even when he does not score he adds so much with his football brain to our game......also to bring Ossie back would be ludicrous (just my take on it tho). Whilst we all want more or better players look at where we are nowadays.....most games we have good quality players (some internationals) on the bench to come on. This shows how strong our squad and club currently is.....go back 10 - 15 years.....we would have been bringing on the likes of Magilton or Maddison (no disrespect meant to either). Happy days, just wished we had progressed in the FA Cup.[/p][/quote]Pochettino want's us to be playing champions league football. To get there you need alot of goals; something Lambert is just not doing at the moment. So yes he has been found out; teams have worked out how to stop him scoring and we have no plan B now. That means we need a new striker, to get a good striker we will need to spend £15 - 20 million, or get Osvaldo back. Why would bringing Osvaldo back be ludicrous? Does anybody know both sides of the story? Are him and Fonte both professional footballers? Can they both act like grown men and shake hands and get on with it? Did we all forgive and embrace Jason Puncheon?[/p][/quote]I don't think it's about forgive and forget - as manager, players and supporters we should be able to do just that as you say. For me, from what I've seen with Osvaldo, he just isn't good enough he doesn't have the pace we need and is not the right type of striker for our squad. I believe we can get a better fit than him for £15-20m.[/p][/quote]I don't think we've seen enough of him to make judgement. Obviously the PL is a much more aggressive and faster game than Serie A and like any player in that league, it would take time to adjust. He was never given the right service IMO, he needs the ball to feet and our players were still sussing him out and not picking up his runs. Would definitely be interesting to see him get on the end of the through balls Gaston is playing at the moment. Anyway, i highly doubt he will return, but i think he shouldn't be completely written off just yet. Either way we need another striker in place of Lambert. Saint 2701
  • Score: -4

4:34pm Mon 24 Feb 14

st1halo says...

Saint 2701 wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Saint 2701 wrote:
NewForestStu wrote:
Saint 2701 wrote:
The simple fact is that we need someone to put the ball in the back of the net. Unfortunetely, Rickie has been well and truely found out at this level. IMO we have 2 options, risk signing another striker for £15-20 million or try to bring Osvaldo back into the fold. I would give Osvaldo preseason to impress, if his attitude still stinks, move him on. I believe he will flourish with Ramirez playing behind him, never really got the service he thrives on with J-Rod, Lallana and S Davis IMO.
Sorry, do not agree with what you are saying. Rickie been found out? Even when he does not score he adds so much with his football brain to our game......also to bring Ossie back would be ludicrous (just my take on it tho).

Whilst we all want more or better players look at where we are nowadays.....most games we have good quality players (some internationals) on the bench to come on. This shows how strong our squad and club currently is.....go back 10 - 15 years.....we would have been bringing on the likes of Magilton or Maddison (no disrespect meant to either). Happy days, just wished we had progressed in the FA Cup.
Pochettino want's us to be playing champions league football. To get there you need alot of goals; something Lambert is just not doing at the moment. So yes he has been found out; teams have worked out how to stop him scoring and we have no plan B now. That means we need a new striker, to get a good striker we will need to spend £15 - 20 million, or get Osvaldo back.

Why would bringing Osvaldo back be ludicrous? Does anybody know both sides of the story? Are him and Fonte both professional footballers? Can they both act like grown men and shake hands and get on with it? Did we all forgive and embrace Jason Puncheon?
Rickie Lambert - 8 goals - joint ithird highest english scorer with Welbeck.
7 assists - joint 3rd highest prem player with Silva and Giroud.

Not bad for someone who's been found out eh?

STID
*sings*
La lala la lalala la la... Rickie Lambert southampton's ......
Who's talking about highest English goal scorers?

3 goals from open play, yeah that is pretty bad for a striker eh?
7 assists!
Time that Arsenal and Man City had a Plan B too as Silva and Giroud must have been found out also!
Our main goal threats, i.e Rickie Jay and Adam have already scored more goals between them this season than they did in the whole of last season. The reason you and others moan is because of the possession stats. You should ask yourself would you be asking the same questions if we averaged 20% possession in games. We are playing a numbers game and possession is a means to an end so the conversion rate isn't important, the tally is. Yes we can improve, Jay can work on his finishing and assist rate and we are short of one striker, players such as Shaw, Clyne and Chambers should contribute by scoring an assisting more but no-one has been 'found out' and it's ludicrous to suggest so.

STID
[quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NewForestStu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: The simple fact is that we need someone to put the ball in the back of the net. Unfortunetely, Rickie has been well and truely found out at this level. IMO we have 2 options, risk signing another striker for £15-20 million or try to bring Osvaldo back into the fold. I would give Osvaldo preseason to impress, if his attitude still stinks, move him on. I believe he will flourish with Ramirez playing behind him, never really got the service he thrives on with J-Rod, Lallana and S Davis IMO.[/p][/quote]Sorry, do not agree with what you are saying. Rickie been found out? Even when he does not score he adds so much with his football brain to our game......also to bring Ossie back would be ludicrous (just my take on it tho). Whilst we all want more or better players look at where we are nowadays.....most games we have good quality players (some internationals) on the bench to come on. This shows how strong our squad and club currently is.....go back 10 - 15 years.....we would have been bringing on the likes of Magilton or Maddison (no disrespect meant to either). Happy days, just wished we had progressed in the FA Cup.[/p][/quote]Pochettino want's us to be playing champions league football. To get there you need alot of goals; something Lambert is just not doing at the moment. So yes he has been found out; teams have worked out how to stop him scoring and we have no plan B now. That means we need a new striker, to get a good striker we will need to spend £15 - 20 million, or get Osvaldo back. Why would bringing Osvaldo back be ludicrous? Does anybody know both sides of the story? Are him and Fonte both professional footballers? Can they both act like grown men and shake hands and get on with it? Did we all forgive and embrace Jason Puncheon?[/p][/quote]Rickie Lambert - 8 goals - joint ithird highest english scorer with Welbeck. 7 assists - joint 3rd highest prem player with Silva and Giroud. Not bad for someone who's been found out eh? STID *sings* La lala la lalala la la... Rickie Lambert southampton's ......[/p][/quote]Who's talking about highest English goal scorers? 3 goals from open play, yeah that is pretty bad for a striker eh?[/p][/quote]7 assists! Time that Arsenal and Man City had a Plan B too as Silva and Giroud must have been found out also! Our main goal threats, i.e Rickie Jay and Adam have already scored more goals between them this season than they did in the whole of last season. The reason you and others moan is because of the possession stats. You should ask yourself would you be asking the same questions if we averaged 20% possession in games. We are playing a numbers game and possession is a means to an end so the conversion rate isn't important, the tally is. Yes we can improve, Jay can work on his finishing and assist rate and we are short of one striker, players such as Shaw, Clyne and Chambers should contribute by scoring an assisting more but no-one has been 'found out' and it's ludicrous to suggest so. STID st1halo
  • Score: 8

4:53pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Broadening the debate beyond the offside for a moment, my gripe with Clutts on Saturday (and in other games for that matter) is twofold:

1. Like Webb, he seems to have a rather interesting interpretation of handball. Forget the 'none penalty' shown on MotD. That was never a penalty. I'd totally forgotten about it until it was shown again. Yet, there were 3 other important handballs he failed to give us (plus one on the half way line for Spam). One was shown on MotD when Downing made sure his hand stopped the ball going into the box - no foul, no booking apparently! A second was on the other side of the area when a Spam hand (Collins?) was above his head and stopped the ball - no foul apparently. However, before this (at the other end tbh) I thought there was a clear handball when Adam tried to cross and the ball was blocked. Adam didn't complain, but then he seemed to be under instruction to keep it shut all game - maybe a sort of silent protest.

2. His other 're-interpretation' seems to be about fouls. How the East End thugs were allowed to spend the whole match following through with studs, feet, arms etc. is beyond me. The yellow flag lino was hopeless. Early in the second half, he allowed Rickie to be mauled, then gave a foul the other way because Rickie had a slight hold of a shirt. Seconds later, someone (Noble?) put in a vicious over-the-ball tackle on Adam and that was fine - apparently. Adam didn't ONCE use his captain's privilege by speaking to the ref, but finally lost his cool near the end when he was again pushed, shoved and kicked off the ball, got nothing and tugged the opponent's shorts off - and got booked!

Unlike Horse (but I do take your point), I can understand linos struggling to get offsides 100% right and they shouldn't raise their flag if they have enough doubt. Alas, that unwritten rule wasn't applied to our cost when Jay netted against Sunderland at the start of the season.

How many 50-50s have we got this season? Maybe the penalty Pool didn't get.

If things even themselves out - and I simply don't buy that (especially when Clutts is in charge) - then someone write me a list and tell me how many wrong decisions will go our way before the end of the season. If they do, we could yet be crowned champions in May. :)
Broadening the debate beyond the offside for a moment, my gripe with Clutts on Saturday (and in other games for that matter) is twofold: 1. Like Webb, he seems to have a rather interesting interpretation of handball. Forget the 'none penalty' shown on MotD. That was never a penalty. I'd totally forgotten about it until it was shown again. Yet, there were 3 other important handballs he failed to give us (plus one on the half way line for Spam). One was shown on MotD when Downing made sure his hand stopped the ball going into the box - no foul, no booking apparently! A second was on the other side of the area when a Spam hand (Collins?) was above his head and stopped the ball - no foul apparently. However, before this (at the other end tbh) I thought there was a clear handball when Adam tried to cross and the ball was blocked. Adam didn't complain, but then he seemed to be under instruction to keep it shut all game - maybe a sort of silent protest. 2. His other 're-interpretation' seems to be about fouls. How the East End thugs were allowed to spend the whole match following through with studs, feet, arms etc. is beyond me. The yellow flag lino was hopeless. Early in the second half, he allowed Rickie to be mauled, then gave a foul the other way because Rickie had a slight hold of a shirt. Seconds later, someone (Noble?) put in a vicious over-the-ball tackle on Adam and that was fine - apparently. Adam didn't ONCE use his captain's privilege by speaking to the ref, but finally lost his cool near the end when he was again pushed, shoved and kicked off the ball, got nothing and tugged the opponent's shorts off - and got booked! Unlike Horse (but I do take your point), I can understand linos struggling to get offsides 100% right and they shouldn't raise their flag if they have enough doubt. Alas, that unwritten rule wasn't applied to our cost when Jay netted against Sunderland at the start of the season. How many 50-50s have we got this season? Maybe the penalty Pool didn't get. If things even themselves out - and I simply don't buy that (especially when Clutts is in charge) - then someone write me a list and tell me how many wrong decisions will go our way before the end of the season. If they do, we could yet be crowned champions in May. :) Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 6

5:35pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Totally Oblivious says...

If you disregard the Saints v Clattenburg saga, it is very frustating to be a Saints supporter and watch us completely dominate the opposition , play most of the best football and still end up losing or only drawing matches. It's happened several times this season. Great to watch, but we're often caught out for not finishing off our great approach work. We lack a 'fox in the box' as it is known-dare I mention someone like Billy Sharp?
If you disregard the Saints v Clattenburg saga, it is very frustating to be a Saints supporter and watch us completely dominate the opposition , play most of the best football and still end up losing or only drawing matches. It's happened several times this season. Great to watch, but we're often caught out for not finishing off our great approach work. We lack a 'fox in the box' as it is known-dare I mention someone like Billy Sharp? Totally Oblivious
  • Score: 0

5:46pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Clever Dick says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Broadening the debate beyond the offside for a moment, my gripe with Clutts on Saturday (and in other games for that matter) is twofold:

1. Like Webb, he seems to have a rather interesting interpretation of handball. Forget the 'none penalty' shown on MotD. That was never a penalty. I'd totally forgotten about it until it was shown again. Yet, there were 3 other important handballs he failed to give us (plus one on the half way line for Spam). One was shown on MotD when Downing made sure his hand stopped the ball going into the box - no foul, no booking apparently! A second was on the other side of the area when a Spam hand (Collins?) was above his head and stopped the ball - no foul apparently. However, before this (at the other end tbh) I thought there was a clear handball when Adam tried to cross and the ball was blocked. Adam didn't complain, but then he seemed to be under instruction to keep it shut all game - maybe a sort of silent protest.

2. His other 're-interpretation' seems to be about fouls. How the East End thugs were allowed to spend the whole match following through with studs, feet, arms etc. is beyond me. The yellow flag lino was hopeless. Early in the second half, he allowed Rickie to be mauled, then gave a foul the other way because Rickie had a slight hold of a shirt. Seconds later, someone (Noble?) put in a vicious over-the-ball tackle on Adam and that was fine - apparently. Adam didn't ONCE use his captain's privilege by speaking to the ref, but finally lost his cool near the end when he was again pushed, shoved and kicked off the ball, got nothing and tugged the opponent's shorts off - and got booked!

Unlike Horse (but I do take your point), I can understand linos struggling to get offsides 100% right and they shouldn't raise their flag if they have enough doubt. Alas, that unwritten rule wasn't applied to our cost when Jay netted against Sunderland at the start of the season.

How many 50-50s have we got this season? Maybe the penalty Pool didn't get.

If things even themselves out - and I simply don't buy that (especially when Clutts is in charge) - then someone write me a list and tell me how many wrong decisions will go our way before the end of the season. If they do, we could yet be crowned champions in May. :)
Things don't even themselves out in football. That is a total fallacy that the powers that be use to cover over the incompetence of officials. Especially Clutter brain. What should be important is getting the correct decision at the correct time. There would then be no reason for things to be evened out. If I'm wrong and things really do get evened out can we please have Clutter brain for our next 7 games. The 21 points and two penalties per game will do very nicely thanks.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Broadening the debate beyond the offside for a moment, my gripe with Clutts on Saturday (and in other games for that matter) is twofold: 1. Like Webb, he seems to have a rather interesting interpretation of handball. Forget the 'none penalty' shown on MotD. That was never a penalty. I'd totally forgotten about it until it was shown again. Yet, there were 3 other important handballs he failed to give us (plus one on the half way line for Spam). One was shown on MotD when Downing made sure his hand stopped the ball going into the box - no foul, no booking apparently! A second was on the other side of the area when a Spam hand (Collins?) was above his head and stopped the ball - no foul apparently. However, before this (at the other end tbh) I thought there was a clear handball when Adam tried to cross and the ball was blocked. Adam didn't complain, but then he seemed to be under instruction to keep it shut all game - maybe a sort of silent protest. 2. His other 're-interpretation' seems to be about fouls. How the East End thugs were allowed to spend the whole match following through with studs, feet, arms etc. is beyond me. The yellow flag lino was hopeless. Early in the second half, he allowed Rickie to be mauled, then gave a foul the other way because Rickie had a slight hold of a shirt. Seconds later, someone (Noble?) put in a vicious over-the-ball tackle on Adam and that was fine - apparently. Adam didn't ONCE use his captain's privilege by speaking to the ref, but finally lost his cool near the end when he was again pushed, shoved and kicked off the ball, got nothing and tugged the opponent's shorts off - and got booked! Unlike Horse (but I do take your point), I can understand linos struggling to get offsides 100% right and they shouldn't raise their flag if they have enough doubt. Alas, that unwritten rule wasn't applied to our cost when Jay netted against Sunderland at the start of the season. How many 50-50s have we got this season? Maybe the penalty Pool didn't get. If things even themselves out - and I simply don't buy that (especially when Clutts is in charge) - then someone write me a list and tell me how many wrong decisions will go our way before the end of the season. If they do, we could yet be crowned champions in May. :)[/p][/quote]Things don't even themselves out in football. That is a total fallacy that the powers that be use to cover over the incompetence of officials. Especially Clutter brain. What should be important is getting the correct decision at the correct time. There would then be no reason for things to be evened out. If I'm wrong and things really do get evened out can we please have Clutter brain for our next 7 games. The 21 points and two penalties per game will do very nicely thanks. Clever Dick
  • Score: 4

6:00pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Baddesley Bill says...

Totally Oblivious wrote:
If you disregard the Saints v Clattenburg saga, it is very frustating to be a Saints supporter and watch us completely dominate the opposition , play most of the best football and still end up losing or only drawing matches. It's happened several times this season. Great to watch, but we're often caught out for not finishing off our great approach work. We lack a 'fox in the box' as it is known-dare I mention someone like Billy Sharp?
I really liked Billy Sharp. He definitely assisted in our Championship promotion year....I would have liked to have seen him given a chance at the time....but in retrospect, I don't think he would have made it at this level.

The quality required to compete at the top end of the PL would cost £20-£30 million pounds imo. That is why we need to be patient....and bring on the academy talent.
[quote][p][bold]Totally Oblivious[/bold] wrote: If you disregard the Saints v Clattenburg saga, it is very frustating to be a Saints supporter and watch us completely dominate the opposition , play most of the best football and still end up losing or only drawing matches. It's happened several times this season. Great to watch, but we're often caught out for not finishing off our great approach work. We lack a 'fox in the box' as it is known-dare I mention someone like Billy Sharp?[/p][/quote]I really liked Billy Sharp. He definitely assisted in our Championship promotion year....I would have liked to have seen him given a chance at the time....but in retrospect, I don't think he would have made it at this level. The quality required to compete at the top end of the PL would cost £20-£30 million pounds imo. That is why we need to be patient....and bring on the academy talent. Baddesley Bill
  • Score: 3

6:39pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Broadening the debate beyond the offside for a moment, my gripe with Clutts on Saturday (and in other games for that matter) is twofold:

1. Like Webb, he seems to have a rather interesting interpretation of handball. Forget the 'none penalty' shown on MotD. That was never a penalty. I'd totally forgotten about it until it was shown again. Yet, there were 3 other important handballs he failed to give us (plus one on the half way line for Spam). One was shown on MotD when Downing made sure his hand stopped the ball going into the box - no foul, no booking apparently! A second was on the other side of the area when a Spam hand (Collins?) was above his head and stopped the ball - no foul apparently. However, before this (at the other end tbh) I thought there was a clear handball when Adam tried to cross and the ball was blocked. Adam didn't complain, but then he seemed to be under instruction to keep it shut all game - maybe a sort of silent protest.

2. His other 're-interpretation' seems to be about fouls. How the East End thugs were allowed to spend the whole match following through with studs, feet, arms etc. is beyond me. The yellow flag lino was hopeless. Early in the second half, he allowed Rickie to be mauled, then gave a foul the other way because Rickie had a slight hold of a shirt. Seconds later, someone (Noble?) put in a vicious over-the-ball tackle on Adam and that was fine - apparently. Adam didn't ONCE use his captain's privilege by speaking to the ref, but finally lost his cool near the end when he was again pushed, shoved and kicked off the ball, got nothing and tugged the opponent's shorts off - and got booked!

Unlike Horse (but I do take your point), I can understand linos struggling to get offsides 100% right and they shouldn't raise their flag if they have enough doubt. Alas, that unwritten rule wasn't applied to our cost when Jay netted against Sunderland at the start of the season.

How many 50-50s have we got this season? Maybe the penalty Pool didn't get.

If things even themselves out - and I simply don't buy that (especially when Clutts is in charge) - then someone write me a list and tell me how many wrong decisions will go our way before the end of the season. If they do, we could yet be crowned champions in May. :)
Regarding Point #2: in team sports, not just football, until the one team is willing to stand up to the other and give it back as good as they get, then the ref has no reason to act against the thug team. Why? They are more aggressive and will get into his face, causing him unwanted grief. If the other team does fight back, then the ref is immediately faced with losing control of the match and he must crack down. Now, I know that I'm just a know-nothing WUM from Pompey according to the happy-clappers, but you'll remember a fella by the name of Pochettino saying earlier in the season that his team are too nice and don't get the calls. Saints have got to learn on the training ground to get their shoulders in other guy's chests and under their chins. Learn to hurt the other buggers and they'll learn to respect you. Until then, you'll have no respect and no space. Rodriguez, for one, is playing a lot bigger this season and once he learns how to hurt defenders, he'll have more space. All those centre-halfs like to dish it out, but they whine like babies when it comes back at them, and it gets them off their games. Sport is a substitute for war, and the psychology of the battle is important. If Saints want the calls, they have to get meaner and tougher and give the ref a problem to solve. Until they do, Stoke, Sunderland, WH will always get the best of them (and, ya, with Saints talent, even a draw against those mugs is being bested). That's why Wanyama, poor passer, and Ward-Prowse, talented but unpolished, need to be on the pitch against those teams. They get stuck in. Wanyama is a little reckless and scares the tar out of other team's midfielders. Every team needs that in the middle, even if it means sacrificing some skill.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Broadening the debate beyond the offside for a moment, my gripe with Clutts on Saturday (and in other games for that matter) is twofold: 1. Like Webb, he seems to have a rather interesting interpretation of handball. Forget the 'none penalty' shown on MotD. That was never a penalty. I'd totally forgotten about it until it was shown again. Yet, there were 3 other important handballs he failed to give us (plus one on the half way line for Spam). One was shown on MotD when Downing made sure his hand stopped the ball going into the box - no foul, no booking apparently! A second was on the other side of the area when a Spam hand (Collins?) was above his head and stopped the ball - no foul apparently. However, before this (at the other end tbh) I thought there was a clear handball when Adam tried to cross and the ball was blocked. Adam didn't complain, but then he seemed to be under instruction to keep it shut all game - maybe a sort of silent protest. 2. His other 're-interpretation' seems to be about fouls. How the East End thugs were allowed to spend the whole match following through with studs, feet, arms etc. is beyond me. The yellow flag lino was hopeless. Early in the second half, he allowed Rickie to be mauled, then gave a foul the other way because Rickie had a slight hold of a shirt. Seconds later, someone (Noble?) put in a vicious over-the-ball tackle on Adam and that was fine - apparently. Adam didn't ONCE use his captain's privilege by speaking to the ref, but finally lost his cool near the end when he was again pushed, shoved and kicked off the ball, got nothing and tugged the opponent's shorts off - and got booked! Unlike Horse (but I do take your point), I can understand linos struggling to get offsides 100% right and they shouldn't raise their flag if they have enough doubt. Alas, that unwritten rule wasn't applied to our cost when Jay netted against Sunderland at the start of the season. How many 50-50s have we got this season? Maybe the penalty Pool didn't get. If things even themselves out - and I simply don't buy that (especially when Clutts is in charge) - then someone write me a list and tell me how many wrong decisions will go our way before the end of the season. If they do, we could yet be crowned champions in May. :)[/p][/quote]Regarding Point #2: in team sports, not just football, until the one team is willing to stand up to the other and give it back as good as they get, then the ref has no reason to act against the thug team. Why? They are more aggressive and will get into his face, causing him unwanted grief. If the other team does fight back, then the ref is immediately faced with losing control of the match and he must crack down. Now, I know that I'm just a know-nothing WUM from Pompey according to the happy-clappers, but you'll remember a fella by the name of Pochettino saying earlier in the season that his team are too nice and don't get the calls. Saints have got to learn on the training ground to get their shoulders in other guy's chests and under their chins. Learn to hurt the other buggers and they'll learn to respect you. Until then, you'll have no respect and no space. Rodriguez, for one, is playing a lot bigger this season and once he learns how to hurt defenders, he'll have more space. All those centre-halfs like to dish it out, but they whine like babies when it comes back at them, and it gets them off their games. Sport is a substitute for war, and the psychology of the battle is important. If Saints want the calls, they have to get meaner and tougher and give the ref a problem to solve. Until they do, Stoke, Sunderland, WH will always get the best of them (and, ya, with Saints talent, even a draw against those mugs is being bested). That's why Wanyama, poor passer, and Ward-Prowse, talented but unpolished, need to be on the pitch against those teams. They get stuck in. Wanyama is a little reckless and scares the tar out of other team's midfielders. Every team needs that in the middle, even if it means sacrificing some skill. Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness
  • Score: -9

6:46pm Mon 24 Feb 14

David Crook says...

Totally Oblivious wrote:
If you disregard the Saints v Clattenburg saga, it is very frustating to be a Saints supporter and watch us completely dominate the opposition , play most of the best football and still end up losing or only drawing matches. It's happened several times this season. Great to watch, but we're often caught out for not finishing off our great approach work. We lack a 'fox in the box' as it is known-dare I mention someone like Billy Sharp?
Billy Sharp should never have gone.
[quote][p][bold]Totally Oblivious[/bold] wrote: If you disregard the Saints v Clattenburg saga, it is very frustating to be a Saints supporter and watch us completely dominate the opposition , play most of the best football and still end up losing or only drawing matches. It's happened several times this season. Great to watch, but we're often caught out for not finishing off our great approach work. We lack a 'fox in the box' as it is known-dare I mention someone like Billy Sharp?[/p][/quote]Billy Sharp should never have gone. David Crook
  • Score: -6

6:54pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Baba Booey says...

Losing to West Ham doesn't mean we are entering a slump. Even though I am a Happy Clapper I think the DE is being a tad pecimistic.
Losing to West Ham doesn't mean we are entering a slump. Even though I am a Happy Clapper I think the DE is being a tad pecimistic. Baba Booey
  • Score: 6

7:00pm Mon 24 Feb 14

The Straight Shooter says...

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Broadening the debate beyond the offside for a moment, my gripe with Clutts on Saturday (and in other games for that matter) is twofold:

1. Like Webb, he seems to have a rather interesting interpretation of handball. Forget the 'none penalty' shown on MotD. That was never a penalty. I'd totally forgotten about it until it was shown again. Yet, there were 3 other important handballs he failed to give us (plus one on the half way line for Spam). One was shown on MotD when Downing made sure his hand stopped the ball going into the box - no foul, no booking apparently! A second was on the other side of the area when a Spam hand (Collins?) was above his head and stopped the ball - no foul apparently. However, before this (at the other end tbh) I thought there was a clear handball when Adam tried to cross and the ball was blocked. Adam didn't complain, but then he seemed to be under instruction to keep it shut all game - maybe a sort of silent protest.

2. His other 're-interpretation' seems to be about fouls. How the East End thugs were allowed to spend the whole match following through with studs, feet, arms etc. is beyond me. The yellow flag lino was hopeless. Early in the second half, he allowed Rickie to be mauled, then gave a foul the other way because Rickie had a slight hold of a shirt. Seconds later, someone (Noble?) put in a vicious over-the-ball tackle on Adam and that was fine - apparently. Adam didn't ONCE use his captain's privilege by speaking to the ref, but finally lost his cool near the end when he was again pushed, shoved and kicked off the ball, got nothing and tugged the opponent's shorts off - and got booked!

Unlike Horse (but I do take your point), I can understand linos struggling to get offsides 100% right and they shouldn't raise their flag if they have enough doubt. Alas, that unwritten rule wasn't applied to our cost when Jay netted against Sunderland at the start of the season.

How many 50-50s have we got this season? Maybe the penalty Pool didn't get.

If things even themselves out - and I simply don't buy that (especially when Clutts is in charge) - then someone write me a list and tell me how many wrong decisions will go our way before the end of the season. If they do, we could yet be crowned champions in May. :)
Regarding Point #2: in team sports, not just football, until the one team is willing to stand up to the other and give it back as good as they get, then the ref has no reason to act against the thug team. Why? They are more aggressive and will get into his face, causing him unwanted grief. If the other team does fight back, then the ref is immediately faced with losing control of the match and he must crack down. Now, I know that I'm just a know-nothing WUM from Pompey according to the happy-clappers, but you'll remember a fella by the name of Pochettino saying earlier in the season that his team are too nice and don't get the calls. Saints have got to learn on the training ground to get their shoulders in other guy's chests and under their chins. Learn to hurt the other buggers and they'll learn to respect you. Until then, you'll have no respect and no space. Rodriguez, for one, is playing a lot bigger this season and once he learns how to hurt defenders, he'll have more space. All those centre-halfs like to dish it out, but they whine like babies when it comes back at them, and it gets them off their games. Sport is a substitute for war, and the psychology of the battle is important. If Saints want the calls, they have to get meaner and tougher and give the ref a problem to solve. Until they do, Stoke, Sunderland, WH will always get the best of them (and, ya, with Saints talent, even a draw against those mugs is being bested). That's why Wanyama, poor passer, and Ward-Prowse, talented but unpolished, need to be on the pitch against those teams. They get stuck in. Wanyama is a little reckless and scares the tar out of other team's midfielders. Every team needs that in the middle, even if it means sacrificing some skill.
A good evaluation which I fear will fall on deaf ears. You see if you say anything which is negative but true, you are automatically a smelly fish from down the road. Don't say anything negative which might ruin the illusion that all is well with the club. Thems the rules!
[quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Broadening the debate beyond the offside for a moment, my gripe with Clutts on Saturday (and in other games for that matter) is twofold: 1. Like Webb, he seems to have a rather interesting interpretation of handball. Forget the 'none penalty' shown on MotD. That was never a penalty. I'd totally forgotten about it until it was shown again. Yet, there were 3 other important handballs he failed to give us (plus one on the half way line for Spam). One was shown on MotD when Downing made sure his hand stopped the ball going into the box - no foul, no booking apparently! A second was on the other side of the area when a Spam hand (Collins?) was above his head and stopped the ball - no foul apparently. However, before this (at the other end tbh) I thought there was a clear handball when Adam tried to cross and the ball was blocked. Adam didn't complain, but then he seemed to be under instruction to keep it shut all game - maybe a sort of silent protest. 2. His other 're-interpretation' seems to be about fouls. How the East End thugs were allowed to spend the whole match following through with studs, feet, arms etc. is beyond me. The yellow flag lino was hopeless. Early in the second half, he allowed Rickie to be mauled, then gave a foul the other way because Rickie had a slight hold of a shirt. Seconds later, someone (Noble?) put in a vicious over-the-ball tackle on Adam and that was fine - apparently. Adam didn't ONCE use his captain's privilege by speaking to the ref, but finally lost his cool near the end when he was again pushed, shoved and kicked off the ball, got nothing and tugged the opponent's shorts off - and got booked! Unlike Horse (but I do take your point), I can understand linos struggling to get offsides 100% right and they shouldn't raise their flag if they have enough doubt. Alas, that unwritten rule wasn't applied to our cost when Jay netted against Sunderland at the start of the season. How many 50-50s have we got this season? Maybe the penalty Pool didn't get. If things even themselves out - and I simply don't buy that (especially when Clutts is in charge) - then someone write me a list and tell me how many wrong decisions will go our way before the end of the season. If they do, we could yet be crowned champions in May. :)[/p][/quote]Regarding Point #2: in team sports, not just football, until the one team is willing to stand up to the other and give it back as good as they get, then the ref has no reason to act against the thug team. Why? They are more aggressive and will get into his face, causing him unwanted grief. If the other team does fight back, then the ref is immediately faced with losing control of the match and he must crack down. Now, I know that I'm just a know-nothing WUM from Pompey according to the happy-clappers, but you'll remember a fella by the name of Pochettino saying earlier in the season that his team are too nice and don't get the calls. Saints have got to learn on the training ground to get their shoulders in other guy's chests and under their chins. Learn to hurt the other buggers and they'll learn to respect you. Until then, you'll have no respect and no space. Rodriguez, for one, is playing a lot bigger this season and once he learns how to hurt defenders, he'll have more space. All those centre-halfs like to dish it out, but they whine like babies when it comes back at them, and it gets them off their games. Sport is a substitute for war, and the psychology of the battle is important. If Saints want the calls, they have to get meaner and tougher and give the ref a problem to solve. Until they do, Stoke, Sunderland, WH will always get the best of them (and, ya, with Saints talent, even a draw against those mugs is being bested). That's why Wanyama, poor passer, and Ward-Prowse, talented but unpolished, need to be on the pitch against those teams. They get stuck in. Wanyama is a little reckless and scares the tar out of other team's midfielders. Every team needs that in the middle, even if it means sacrificing some skill.[/p][/quote]A good evaluation which I fear will fall on deaf ears. You see if you say anything which is negative but true, you are automatically a smelly fish from down the road. Don't say anything negative which might ruin the illusion that all is well with the club. Thems the rules! The Straight Shooter
  • Score: -9

7:24pm Mon 24 Feb 14

arfer phesache says...

The Straight Shooter wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Broadening the debate beyond the offside for a moment, my gripe with Clutts on Saturday (and in other games for that matter) is twofold:

1. Like Webb, he seems to have a rather interesting interpretation of handball. Forget the 'none penalty' shown on MotD. That was never a penalty. I'd totally forgotten about it until it was shown again. Yet, there were 3 other important handballs he failed to give us (plus one on the half way line for Spam). One was shown on MotD when Downing made sure his hand stopped the ball going into the box - no foul, no booking apparently! A second was on the other side of the area when a Spam hand (Collins?) was above his head and stopped the ball - no foul apparently. However, before this (at the other end tbh) I thought there was a clear handball when Adam tried to cross and the ball was blocked. Adam didn't complain, but then he seemed to be under instruction to keep it shut all game - maybe a sort of silent protest.

2. His other 're-interpretation' seems to be about fouls. How the East End thugs were allowed to spend the whole match following through with studs, feet, arms etc. is beyond me. The yellow flag lino was hopeless. Early in the second half, he allowed Rickie to be mauled, then gave a foul the other way because Rickie had a slight hold of a shirt. Seconds later, someone (Noble?) put in a vicious over-the-ball tackle on Adam and that was fine - apparently. Adam didn't ONCE use his captain's privilege by speaking to the ref, but finally lost his cool near the end when he was again pushed, shoved and kicked off the ball, got nothing and tugged the opponent's shorts off - and got booked!

Unlike Horse (but I do take your point), I can understand linos struggling to get offsides 100% right and they shouldn't raise their flag if they have enough doubt. Alas, that unwritten rule wasn't applied to our cost when Jay netted against Sunderland at the start of the season.

How many 50-50s have we got this season? Maybe the penalty Pool didn't get.

If things even themselves out - and I simply don't buy that (especially when Clutts is in charge) - then someone write me a list and tell me how many wrong decisions will go our way before the end of the season. If they do, we could yet be crowned champions in May. :)
Regarding Point #2: in team sports, not just football, until the one team is willing to stand up to the other and give it back as good as they get, then the ref has no reason to act against the thug team. Why? They are more aggressive and will get into his face, causing him unwanted grief. If the other team does fight back, then the ref is immediately faced with losing control of the match and he must crack down. Now, I know that I'm just a know-nothing WUM from Pompey according to the happy-clappers, but you'll remember a fella by the name of Pochettino saying earlier in the season that his team are too nice and don't get the calls. Saints have got to learn on the training ground to get their shoulders in other guy's chests and under their chins. Learn to hurt the other buggers and they'll learn to respect you. Until then, you'll have no respect and no space. Rodriguez, for one, is playing a lot bigger this season and once he learns how to hurt defenders, he'll have more space. All those centre-halfs like to dish it out, but they whine like babies when it comes back at them, and it gets them off their games. Sport is a substitute for war, and the psychology of the battle is important. If Saints want the calls, they have to get meaner and tougher and give the ref a problem to solve. Until they do, Stoke, Sunderland, WH will always get the best of them (and, ya, with Saints talent, even a draw against those mugs is being bested). That's why Wanyama, poor passer, and Ward-Prowse, talented but unpolished, need to be on the pitch against those teams. They get stuck in. Wanyama is a little reckless and scares the tar out of other team's midfielders. Every team needs that in the middle, even if it means sacrificing some skill.
A good evaluation which I fear will fall on deaf ears. You see if you say anything which is negative but true, you are automatically a smelly fish from down the road. Don't say anything negative which might ruin the illusion that all is well with the club. Thems the rules!
Did you know that talking to yourself is an early sign of schizophrenia.
Just saying like.............
[quote][p][bold]The Straight Shooter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Broadening the debate beyond the offside for a moment, my gripe with Clutts on Saturday (and in other games for that matter) is twofold: 1. Like Webb, he seems to have a rather interesting interpretation of handball. Forget the 'none penalty' shown on MotD. That was never a penalty. I'd totally forgotten about it until it was shown again. Yet, there were 3 other important handballs he failed to give us (plus one on the half way line for Spam). One was shown on MotD when Downing made sure his hand stopped the ball going into the box - no foul, no booking apparently! A second was on the other side of the area when a Spam hand (Collins?) was above his head and stopped the ball - no foul apparently. However, before this (at the other end tbh) I thought there was a clear handball when Adam tried to cross and the ball was blocked. Adam didn't complain, but then he seemed to be under instruction to keep it shut all game - maybe a sort of silent protest. 2. His other 're-interpretation' seems to be about fouls. How the East End thugs were allowed to spend the whole match following through with studs, feet, arms etc. is beyond me. The yellow flag lino was hopeless. Early in the second half, he allowed Rickie to be mauled, then gave a foul the other way because Rickie had a slight hold of a shirt. Seconds later, someone (Noble?) put in a vicious over-the-ball tackle on Adam and that was fine - apparently. Adam didn't ONCE use his captain's privilege by speaking to the ref, but finally lost his cool near the end when he was again pushed, shoved and kicked off the ball, got nothing and tugged the opponent's shorts off - and got booked! Unlike Horse (but I do take your point), I can understand linos struggling to get offsides 100% right and they shouldn't raise their flag if they have enough doubt. Alas, that unwritten rule wasn't applied to our cost when Jay netted against Sunderland at the start of the season. How many 50-50s have we got this season? Maybe the penalty Pool didn't get. If things even themselves out - and I simply don't buy that (especially when Clutts is in charge) - then someone write me a list and tell me how many wrong decisions will go our way before the end of the season. If they do, we could yet be crowned champions in May. :)[/p][/quote]Regarding Point #2: in team sports, not just football, until the one team is willing to stand up to the other and give it back as good as they get, then the ref has no reason to act against the thug team. Why? They are more aggressive and will get into his face, causing him unwanted grief. If the other team does fight back, then the ref is immediately faced with losing control of the match and he must crack down. Now, I know that I'm just a know-nothing WUM from Pompey according to the happy-clappers, but you'll remember a fella by the name of Pochettino saying earlier in the season that his team are too nice and don't get the calls. Saints have got to learn on the training ground to get their shoulders in other guy's chests and under their chins. Learn to hurt the other buggers and they'll learn to respect you. Until then, you'll have no respect and no space. Rodriguez, for one, is playing a lot bigger this season and once he learns how to hurt defenders, he'll have more space. All those centre-halfs like to dish it out, but they whine like babies when it comes back at them, and it gets them off their games. Sport is a substitute for war, and the psychology of the battle is important. If Saints want the calls, they have to get meaner and tougher and give the ref a problem to solve. Until they do, Stoke, Sunderland, WH will always get the best of them (and, ya, with Saints talent, even a draw against those mugs is being bested). That's why Wanyama, poor passer, and Ward-Prowse, talented but unpolished, need to be on the pitch against those teams. They get stuck in. Wanyama is a little reckless and scares the tar out of other team's midfielders. Every team needs that in the middle, even if it means sacrificing some skill.[/p][/quote]A good evaluation which I fear will fall on deaf ears. You see if you say anything which is negative but true, you are automatically a smelly fish from down the road. Don't say anything negative which might ruin the illusion that all is well with the club. Thems the rules![/p][/quote]Did you know that talking to yourself is an early sign of schizophrenia. Just saying like............. arfer phesache
  • Score: 9

7:39pm Mon 24 Feb 14

The Straight Shooter says...

arfer phesache wrote:
The Straight Shooter wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Broadening the debate beyond the offside for a moment, my gripe with Clutts on Saturday (and in other games for that matter) is twofold:

1. Like Webb, he seems to have a rather interesting interpretation of handball. Forget the 'none penalty' shown on MotD. That was never a penalty. I'd totally forgotten about it until it was shown again. Yet, there were 3 other important handballs he failed to give us (plus one on the half way line for Spam). One was shown on MotD when Downing made sure his hand stopped the ball going into the box - no foul, no booking apparently! A second was on the other side of the area when a Spam hand (Collins?) was above his head and stopped the ball - no foul apparently. However, before this (at the other end tbh) I thought there was a clear handball when Adam tried to cross and the ball was blocked. Adam didn't complain, but then he seemed to be under instruction to keep it shut all game - maybe a sort of silent protest.

2. His other 're-interpretation' seems to be about fouls. How the East End thugs were allowed to spend the whole match following through with studs, feet, arms etc. is beyond me. The yellow flag lino was hopeless. Early in the second half, he allowed Rickie to be mauled, then gave a foul the other way because Rickie had a slight hold of a shirt. Seconds later, someone (Noble?) put in a vicious over-the-ball tackle on Adam and that was fine - apparently. Adam didn't ONCE use his captain's privilege by speaking to the ref, but finally lost his cool near the end when he was again pushed, shoved and kicked off the ball, got nothing and tugged the opponent's shorts off - and got booked!

Unlike Horse (but I do take your point), I can understand linos struggling to get offsides 100% right and they shouldn't raise their flag if they have enough doubt. Alas, that unwritten rule wasn't applied to our cost when Jay netted against Sunderland at the start of the season.

How many 50-50s have we got this season? Maybe the penalty Pool didn't get.

If things even themselves out - and I simply don't buy that (especially when Clutts is in charge) - then someone write me a list and tell me how many wrong decisions will go our way before the end of the season. If they do, we could yet be crowned champions in May. :)
Regarding Point #2: in team sports, not just football, until the one team is willing to stand up to the other and give it back as good as they get, then the ref has no reason to act against the thug team. Why? They are more aggressive and will get into his face, causing him unwanted grief. If the other team does fight back, then the ref is immediately faced with losing control of the match and he must crack down. Now, I know that I'm just a know-nothing WUM from Pompey according to the happy-clappers, but you'll remember a fella by the name of Pochettino saying earlier in the season that his team are too nice and don't get the calls. Saints have got to learn on the training ground to get their shoulders in other guy's chests and under their chins. Learn to hurt the other buggers and they'll learn to respect you. Until then, you'll have no respect and no space. Rodriguez, for one, is playing a lot bigger this season and once he learns how to hurt defenders, he'll have more space. All those centre-halfs like to dish it out, but they whine like babies when it comes back at them, and it gets them off their games. Sport is a substitute for war, and the psychology of the battle is important. If Saints want the calls, they have to get meaner and tougher and give the ref a problem to solve. Until they do, Stoke, Sunderland, WH will always get the best of them (and, ya, with Saints talent, even a draw against those mugs is being bested). That's why Wanyama, poor passer, and Ward-Prowse, talented but unpolished, need to be on the pitch against those teams. They get stuck in. Wanyama is a little reckless and scares the tar out of other team's midfielders. Every team needs that in the middle, even if it means sacrificing some skill.
A good evaluation which I fear will fall on deaf ears. You see if you say anything which is negative but true, you are automatically a smelly fish from down the road. Don't say anything negative which might ruin the illusion that all is well with the club. Thems the rules!
Did you know that talking to yourself is an early sign of schizophrenia.
Just saying like.............
YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN!!! I bet this one has been waiting like a vulture all day and then swoops down on his prey with a cutting post, such as the one inflicted on me. Ever so sad.
[quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Straight Shooter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Broadening the debate beyond the offside for a moment, my gripe with Clutts on Saturday (and in other games for that matter) is twofold: 1. Like Webb, he seems to have a rather interesting interpretation of handball. Forget the 'none penalty' shown on MotD. That was never a penalty. I'd totally forgotten about it until it was shown again. Yet, there were 3 other important handballs he failed to give us (plus one on the half way line for Spam). One was shown on MotD when Downing made sure his hand stopped the ball going into the box - no foul, no booking apparently! A second was on the other side of the area when a Spam hand (Collins?) was above his head and stopped the ball - no foul apparently. However, before this (at the other end tbh) I thought there was a clear handball when Adam tried to cross and the ball was blocked. Adam didn't complain, but then he seemed to be under instruction to keep it shut all game - maybe a sort of silent protest. 2. His other 're-interpretation' seems to be about fouls. How the East End thugs were allowed to spend the whole match following through with studs, feet, arms etc. is beyond me. The yellow flag lino was hopeless. Early in the second half, he allowed Rickie to be mauled, then gave a foul the other way because Rickie had a slight hold of a shirt. Seconds later, someone (Noble?) put in a vicious over-the-ball tackle on Adam and that was fine - apparently. Adam didn't ONCE use his captain's privilege by speaking to the ref, but finally lost his cool near the end when he was again pushed, shoved and kicked off the ball, got nothing and tugged the opponent's shorts off - and got booked! Unlike Horse (but I do take your point), I can understand linos struggling to get offsides 100% right and they shouldn't raise their flag if they have enough doubt. Alas, that unwritten rule wasn't applied to our cost when Jay netted against Sunderland at the start of the season. How many 50-50s have we got this season? Maybe the penalty Pool didn't get. If things even themselves out - and I simply don't buy that (especially when Clutts is in charge) - then someone write me a list and tell me how many wrong decisions will go our way before the end of the season. If they do, we could yet be crowned champions in May. :)[/p][/quote]Regarding Point #2: in team sports, not just football, until the one team is willing to stand up to the other and give it back as good as they get, then the ref has no reason to act against the thug team. Why? They are more aggressive and will get into his face, causing him unwanted grief. If the other team does fight back, then the ref is immediately faced with losing control of the match and he must crack down. Now, I know that I'm just a know-nothing WUM from Pompey according to the happy-clappers, but you'll remember a fella by the name of Pochettino saying earlier in the season that his team are too nice and don't get the calls. Saints have got to learn on the training ground to get their shoulders in other guy's chests and under their chins. Learn to hurt the other buggers and they'll learn to respect you. Until then, you'll have no respect and no space. Rodriguez, for one, is playing a lot bigger this season and once he learns how to hurt defenders, he'll have more space. All those centre-halfs like to dish it out, but they whine like babies when it comes back at them, and it gets them off their games. Sport is a substitute for war, and the psychology of the battle is important. If Saints want the calls, they have to get meaner and tougher and give the ref a problem to solve. Until they do, Stoke, Sunderland, WH will always get the best of them (and, ya, with Saints talent, even a draw against those mugs is being bested). That's why Wanyama, poor passer, and Ward-Prowse, talented but unpolished, need to be on the pitch against those teams. They get stuck in. Wanyama is a little reckless and scares the tar out of other team's midfielders. Every team needs that in the middle, even if it means sacrificing some skill.[/p][/quote]A good evaluation which I fear will fall on deaf ears. You see if you say anything which is negative but true, you are automatically a smelly fish from down the road. Don't say anything negative which might ruin the illusion that all is well with the club. Thems the rules![/p][/quote]Did you know that talking to yourself is an early sign of schizophrenia. Just saying like.............[/p][/quote]YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN!!! I bet this one has been waiting like a vulture all day and then swoops down on his prey with a cutting post, such as the one inflicted on me. Ever so sad. The Straight Shooter
  • Score: -4

7:40pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Baddesley Bill says...

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Broadening the debate beyond the offside for a moment, my gripe with Clutts on Saturday (and in other games for that matter) is twofold:

1. Like Webb, he seems to have a rather interesting interpretation of handball. Forget the 'none penalty' shown on MotD. That was never a penalty. I'd totally forgotten about it until it was shown again. Yet, there were 3 other important handballs he failed to give us (plus one on the half way line for Spam). One was shown on MotD when Downing made sure his hand stopped the ball going into the box - no foul, no booking apparently! A second was on the other side of the area when a Spam hand (Collins?) was above his head and stopped the ball - no foul apparently. However, before this (at the other end tbh) I thought there was a clear handball when Adam tried to cross and the ball was blocked. Adam didn't complain, but then he seemed to be under instruction to keep it shut all game - maybe a sort of silent protest.

2. His other 're-interpretation' seems to be about fouls. How the East End thugs were allowed to spend the whole match following through with studs, feet, arms etc. is beyond me. The yellow flag lino was hopeless. Early in the second half, he allowed Rickie to be mauled, then gave a foul the other way because Rickie had a slight hold of a shirt. Seconds later, someone (Noble?) put in a vicious over-the-ball tackle on Adam and that was fine - apparently. Adam didn't ONCE use his captain's privilege by speaking to the ref, but finally lost his cool near the end when he was again pushed, shoved and kicked off the ball, got nothing and tugged the opponent's shorts off - and got booked!

Unlike Horse (but I do take your point), I can understand linos struggling to get offsides 100% right and they shouldn't raise their flag if they have enough doubt. Alas, that unwritten rule wasn't applied to our cost when Jay netted against Sunderland at the start of the season.

How many 50-50s have we got this season? Maybe the penalty Pool didn't get.

If things even themselves out - and I simply don't buy that (especially when Clutts is in charge) - then someone write me a list and tell me how many wrong decisions will go our way before the end of the season. If they do, we could yet be crowned champions in May. :)
Regarding Point #2: in team sports, not just football, until the one team is willing to stand up to the other and give it back as good as they get, then the ref has no reason to act against the thug team. Why? They are more aggressive and will get into his face, causing him unwanted grief. If the other team does fight back, then the ref is immediately faced with losing control of the match and he must crack down. Now, I know that I'm just a know-nothing WUM from Pompey according to the happy-clappers, but you'll remember a fella by the name of Pochettino saying earlier in the season that his team are too nice and don't get the calls. Saints have got to learn on the training ground to get their shoulders in other guy's chests and under their chins. Learn to hurt the other buggers and they'll learn to respect you. Until then, you'll have no respect and no space. Rodriguez, for one, is playing a lot bigger this season and once he learns how to hurt defenders, he'll have more space. All those centre-halfs like to dish it out, but they whine like babies when it comes back at them, and it gets them off their games. Sport is a substitute for war, and the psychology of the battle is important. If Saints want the calls, they have to get meaner and tougher and give the ref a problem to solve. Until they do, Stoke, Sunderland, WH will always get the best of them (and, ya, with Saints talent, even a draw against those mugs is being bested). That's why Wanyama, poor passer, and Ward-Prowse, talented but unpolished, need to be on the pitch against those teams. They get stuck in. Wanyama is a little reckless and scares the tar out of other team's midfielders. Every team needs that in the middle, even if it means sacrificing some skill.
I'm fairly sure Wanyama has started every game against West Ham, Sunderland and Stoke when free of injury.
[quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Broadening the debate beyond the offside for a moment, my gripe with Clutts on Saturday (and in other games for that matter) is twofold: 1. Like Webb, he seems to have a rather interesting interpretation of handball. Forget the 'none penalty' shown on MotD. That was never a penalty. I'd totally forgotten about it until it was shown again. Yet, there were 3 other important handballs he failed to give us (plus one on the half way line for Spam). One was shown on MotD when Downing made sure his hand stopped the ball going into the box - no foul, no booking apparently! A second was on the other side of the area when a Spam hand (Collins?) was above his head and stopped the ball - no foul apparently. However, before this (at the other end tbh) I thought there was a clear handball when Adam tried to cross and the ball was blocked. Adam didn't complain, but then he seemed to be under instruction to keep it shut all game - maybe a sort of silent protest. 2. His other 're-interpretation' seems to be about fouls. How the East End thugs were allowed to spend the whole match following through with studs, feet, arms etc. is beyond me. The yellow flag lino was hopeless. Early in the second half, he allowed Rickie to be mauled, then gave a foul the other way because Rickie had a slight hold of a shirt. Seconds later, someone (Noble?) put in a vicious over-the-ball tackle on Adam and that was fine - apparently. Adam didn't ONCE use his captain's privilege by speaking to the ref, but finally lost his cool near the end when he was again pushed, shoved and kicked off the ball, got nothing and tugged the opponent's shorts off - and got booked! Unlike Horse (but I do take your point), I can understand linos struggling to get offsides 100% right and they shouldn't raise their flag if they have enough doubt. Alas, that unwritten rule wasn't applied to our cost when Jay netted against Sunderland at the start of the season. How many 50-50s have we got this season? Maybe the penalty Pool didn't get. If things even themselves out - and I simply don't buy that (especially when Clutts is in charge) - then someone write me a list and tell me how many wrong decisions will go our way before the end of the season. If they do, we could yet be crowned champions in May. :)[/p][/quote]Regarding Point #2: in team sports, not just football, until the one team is willing to stand up to the other and give it back as good as they get, then the ref has no reason to act against the thug team. Why? They are more aggressive and will get into his face, causing him unwanted grief. If the other team does fight back, then the ref is immediately faced with losing control of the match and he must crack down. Now, I know that I'm just a know-nothing WUM from Pompey according to the happy-clappers, but you'll remember a fella by the name of Pochettino saying earlier in the season that his team are too nice and don't get the calls. Saints have got to learn on the training ground to get their shoulders in other guy's chests and under their chins. Learn to hurt the other buggers and they'll learn to respect you. Until then, you'll have no respect and no space. Rodriguez, for one, is playing a lot bigger this season and once he learns how to hurt defenders, he'll have more space. All those centre-halfs like to dish it out, but they whine like babies when it comes back at them, and it gets them off their games. Sport is a substitute for war, and the psychology of the battle is important. If Saints want the calls, they have to get meaner and tougher and give the ref a problem to solve. Until they do, Stoke, Sunderland, WH will always get the best of them (and, ya, with Saints talent, even a draw against those mugs is being bested). That's why Wanyama, poor passer, and Ward-Prowse, talented but unpolished, need to be on the pitch against those teams. They get stuck in. Wanyama is a little reckless and scares the tar out of other team's midfielders. Every team needs that in the middle, even if it means sacrificing some skill.[/p][/quote]I'm fairly sure Wanyama has started every game against West Ham, Sunderland and Stoke when free of injury. Baddesley Bill
  • Score: 6

7:42pm Mon 24 Feb 14

arfer phesache says...

The Straight Shooter wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
The Straight Shooter wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Broadening the debate beyond the offside for a moment, my gripe with Clutts on Saturday (and in other games for that matter) is twofold:

1. Like Webb, he seems to have a rather interesting interpretation of handball. Forget the 'none penalty' shown on MotD. That was never a penalty. I'd totally forgotten about it until it was shown again. Yet, there were 3 other important handballs he failed to give us (plus one on the half way line for Spam). One was shown on MotD when Downing made sure his hand stopped the ball going into the box - no foul, no booking apparently! A second was on the other side of the area when a Spam hand (Collins?) was above his head and stopped the ball - no foul apparently. However, before this (at the other end tbh) I thought there was a clear handball when Adam tried to cross and the ball was blocked. Adam didn't complain, but then he seemed to be under instruction to keep it shut all game - maybe a sort of silent protest.

2. His other 're-interpretation' seems to be about fouls. How the East End thugs were allowed to spend the whole match following through with studs, feet, arms etc. is beyond me. The yellow flag lino was hopeless. Early in the second half, he allowed Rickie to be mauled, then gave a foul the other way because Rickie had a slight hold of a shirt. Seconds later, someone (Noble?) put in a vicious over-the-ball tackle on Adam and that was fine - apparently. Adam didn't ONCE use his captain's privilege by speaking to the ref, but finally lost his cool near the end when he was again pushed, shoved and kicked off the ball, got nothing and tugged the opponent's shorts off - and got booked!

Unlike Horse (but I do take your point), I can understand linos struggling to get offsides 100% right and they shouldn't raise their flag if they have enough doubt. Alas, that unwritten rule wasn't applied to our cost when Jay netted against Sunderland at the start of the season.

How many 50-50s have we got this season? Maybe the penalty Pool didn't get.

If things even themselves out - and I simply don't buy that (especially when Clutts is in charge) - then someone write me a list and tell me how many wrong decisions will go our way before the end of the season. If they do, we could yet be crowned champions in May. :)
Regarding Point #2: in team sports, not just football, until the one team is willing to stand up to the other and give it back as good as they get, then the ref has no reason to act against the thug team. Why? They are more aggressive and will get into his face, causing him unwanted grief. If the other team does fight back, then the ref is immediately faced with losing control of the match and he must crack down. Now, I know that I'm just a know-nothing WUM from Pompey according to the happy-clappers, but you'll remember a fella by the name of Pochettino saying earlier in the season that his team are too nice and don't get the calls. Saints have got to learn on the training ground to get their shoulders in other guy's chests and under their chins. Learn to hurt the other buggers and they'll learn to respect you. Until then, you'll have no respect and no space. Rodriguez, for one, is playing a lot bigger this season and once he learns how to hurt defenders, he'll have more space. All those centre-halfs like to dish it out, but they whine like babies when it comes back at them, and it gets them off their games. Sport is a substitute for war, and the psychology of the battle is important. If Saints want the calls, they have to get meaner and tougher and give the ref a problem to solve. Until they do, Stoke, Sunderland, WH will always get the best of them (and, ya, with Saints talent, even a draw against those mugs is being bested). That's why Wanyama, poor passer, and Ward-Prowse, talented but unpolished, need to be on the pitch against those teams. They get stuck in. Wanyama is a little reckless and scares the tar out of other team's midfielders. Every team needs that in the middle, even if it means sacrificing some skill.
A good evaluation which I fear will fall on deaf ears. You see if you say anything which is negative but true, you are automatically a smelly fish from down the road. Don't say anything negative which might ruin the illusion that all is well with the club. Thems the rules!
Did you know that talking to yourself is an early sign of schizophrenia.
Just saying like.............
YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN!!! I bet this one has been waiting like a vulture all day and then swoops down on his prey with a cutting post, such as the one inflicted on me. Ever so sad.
Oooooh! you are awful......But Iike you.......
[quote][p][bold]The Straight Shooter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Straight Shooter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Broadening the debate beyond the offside for a moment, my gripe with Clutts on Saturday (and in other games for that matter) is twofold: 1. Like Webb, he seems to have a rather interesting interpretation of handball. Forget the 'none penalty' shown on MotD. That was never a penalty. I'd totally forgotten about it until it was shown again. Yet, there were 3 other important handballs he failed to give us (plus one on the half way line for Spam). One was shown on MotD when Downing made sure his hand stopped the ball going into the box - no foul, no booking apparently! A second was on the other side of the area when a Spam hand (Collins?) was above his head and stopped the ball - no foul apparently. However, before this (at the other end tbh) I thought there was a clear handball when Adam tried to cross and the ball was blocked. Adam didn't complain, but then he seemed to be under instruction to keep it shut all game - maybe a sort of silent protest. 2. His other 're-interpretation' seems to be about fouls. How the East End thugs were allowed to spend the whole match following through with studs, feet, arms etc. is beyond me. The yellow flag lino was hopeless. Early in the second half, he allowed Rickie to be mauled, then gave a foul the other way because Rickie had a slight hold of a shirt. Seconds later, someone (Noble?) put in a vicious over-the-ball tackle on Adam and that was fine - apparently. Adam didn't ONCE use his captain's privilege by speaking to the ref, but finally lost his cool near the end when he was again pushed, shoved and kicked off the ball, got nothing and tugged the opponent's shorts off - and got booked! Unlike Horse (but I do take your point), I can understand linos struggling to get offsides 100% right and they shouldn't raise their flag if they have enough doubt. Alas, that unwritten rule wasn't applied to our cost when Jay netted against Sunderland at the start of the season. How many 50-50s have we got this season? Maybe the penalty Pool didn't get. If things even themselves out - and I simply don't buy that (especially when Clutts is in charge) - then someone write me a list and tell me how many wrong decisions will go our way before the end of the season. If they do, we could yet be crowned champions in May. :)[/p][/quote]Regarding Point #2: in team sports, not just football, until the one team is willing to stand up to the other and give it back as good as they get, then the ref has no reason to act against the thug team. Why? They are more aggressive and will get into his face, causing him unwanted grief. If the other team does fight back, then the ref is immediately faced with losing control of the match and he must crack down. Now, I know that I'm just a know-nothing WUM from Pompey according to the happy-clappers, but you'll remember a fella by the name of Pochettino saying earlier in the season that his team are too nice and don't get the calls. Saints have got to learn on the training ground to get their shoulders in other guy's chests and under their chins. Learn to hurt the other buggers and they'll learn to respect you. Until then, you'll have no respect and no space. Rodriguez, for one, is playing a lot bigger this season and once he learns how to hurt defenders, he'll have more space. All those centre-halfs like to dish it out, but they whine like babies when it comes back at them, and it gets them off their games. Sport is a substitute for war, and the psychology of the battle is important. If Saints want the calls, they have to get meaner and tougher and give the ref a problem to solve. Until they do, Stoke, Sunderland, WH will always get the best of them (and, ya, with Saints talent, even a draw against those mugs is being bested). That's why Wanyama, poor passer, and Ward-Prowse, talented but unpolished, need to be on the pitch against those teams. They get stuck in. Wanyama is a little reckless and scares the tar out of other team's midfielders. Every team needs that in the middle, even if it means sacrificing some skill.[/p][/quote]A good evaluation which I fear will fall on deaf ears. You see if you say anything which is negative but true, you are automatically a smelly fish from down the road. Don't say anything negative which might ruin the illusion that all is well with the club. Thems the rules![/p][/quote]Did you know that talking to yourself is an early sign of schizophrenia. Just saying like.............[/p][/quote]YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN!!! I bet this one has been waiting like a vulture all day and then swoops down on his prey with a cutting post, such as the one inflicted on me. Ever so sad.[/p][/quote]Oooooh! you are awful......But Iike you....... arfer phesache
  • Score: 1

7:43pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Baba Booey says...

The Straight Shooter wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Broadening the debate beyond the offside for a moment, my gripe with Clutts on Saturday (and in other games for that matter) is twofold:

1. Like Webb, he seems to have a rather interesting interpretation of handball. Forget the 'none penalty' shown on MotD. That was never a penalty. I'd totally forgotten about it until it was shown again. Yet, there were 3 other important handballs he failed to give us (plus one on the half way line for Spam). One was shown on MotD when Downing made sure his hand stopped the ball going into the box - no foul, no booking apparently! A second was on the other side of the area when a Spam hand (Collins?) was above his head and stopped the ball - no foul apparently. However, before this (at the other end tbh) I thought there was a clear handball when Adam tried to cross and the ball was blocked. Adam didn't complain, but then he seemed to be under instruction to keep it shut all game - maybe a sort of silent protest.

2. His other 're-interpretation' seems to be about fouls. How the East End thugs were allowed to spend the whole match following through with studs, feet, arms etc. is beyond me. The yellow flag lino was hopeless. Early in the second half, he allowed Rickie to be mauled, then gave a foul the other way because Rickie had a slight hold of a shirt. Seconds later, someone (Noble?) put in a vicious over-the-ball tackle on Adam and that was fine - apparently. Adam didn't ONCE use his captain's privilege by speaking to the ref, but finally lost his cool near the end when he was again pushed, shoved and kicked off the ball, got nothing and tugged the opponent's shorts off - and got booked!

Unlike Horse (but I do take your point), I can understand linos struggling to get offsides 100% right and they shouldn't raise their flag if they have enough doubt. Alas, that unwritten rule wasn't applied to our cost when Jay netted against Sunderland at the start of the season.

How many 50-50s have we got this season? Maybe the penalty Pool didn't get.

If things even themselves out - and I simply don't buy that (especially when Clutts is in charge) - then someone write me a list and tell me how many wrong decisions will go our way before the end of the season. If they do, we could yet be crowned champions in May. :)
Regarding Point #2: in team sports, not just football, until the one team is willing to stand up to the other and give it back as good as they get, then the ref has no reason to act against the thug team. Why? They are more aggressive and will get into his face, causing him unwanted grief. If the other team does fight back, then the ref is immediately faced with losing control of the match and he must crack down. Now, I know that I'm just a know-nothing WUM from Pompey according to the happy-clappers, but you'll remember a fella by the name of Pochettino saying earlier in the season that his team are too nice and don't get the calls. Saints have got to learn on the training ground to get their shoulders in other guy's chests and under their chins. Learn to hurt the other buggers and they'll learn to respect you. Until then, you'll have no respect and no space. Rodriguez, for one, is playing a lot bigger this season and once he learns how to hurt defenders, he'll have more space. All those centre-halfs like to dish it out, but they whine like babies when it comes back at them, and it gets them off their games. Sport is a substitute for war, and the psychology of the battle is important. If Saints want the calls, they have to get meaner and tougher and give the ref a problem to solve. Until they do, Stoke, Sunderland, WH will always get the best of them (and, ya, with Saints talent, even a draw against those mugs is being bested). That's why Wanyama, poor passer, and Ward-Prowse, talented but unpolished, need to be on the pitch against those teams. They get stuck in. Wanyama is a little reckless and scares the tar out of other team's midfielders. Every team needs that in the middle, even if it means sacrificing some skill.
A good evaluation which I fear will fall on deaf ears. You see if you say anything which is negative but true, you are automatically a smelly fish from down the road. Don't say anything negative which might ruin the illusion that all is well with the club. Thems the rules!
It's called supporting you team .......... you should try it sometime.
[quote][p][bold]The Straight Shooter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Broadening the debate beyond the offside for a moment, my gripe with Clutts on Saturday (and in other games for that matter) is twofold: 1. Like Webb, he seems to have a rather interesting interpretation of handball. Forget the 'none penalty' shown on MotD. That was never a penalty. I'd totally forgotten about it until it was shown again. Yet, there were 3 other important handballs he failed to give us (plus one on the half way line for Spam). One was shown on MotD when Downing made sure his hand stopped the ball going into the box - no foul, no booking apparently! A second was on the other side of the area when a Spam hand (Collins?) was above his head and stopped the ball - no foul apparently. However, before this (at the other end tbh) I thought there was a clear handball when Adam tried to cross and the ball was blocked. Adam didn't complain, but then he seemed to be under instruction to keep it shut all game - maybe a sort of silent protest. 2. His other 're-interpretation' seems to be about fouls. How the East End thugs were allowed to spend the whole match following through with studs, feet, arms etc. is beyond me. The yellow flag lino was hopeless. Early in the second half, he allowed Rickie to be mauled, then gave a foul the other way because Rickie had a slight hold of a shirt. Seconds later, someone (Noble?) put in a vicious over-the-ball tackle on Adam and that was fine - apparently. Adam didn't ONCE use his captain's privilege by speaking to the ref, but finally lost his cool near the end when he was again pushed, shoved and kicked off the ball, got nothing and tugged the opponent's shorts off - and got booked! Unlike Horse (but I do take your point), I can understand linos struggling to get offsides 100% right and they shouldn't raise their flag if they have enough doubt. Alas, that unwritten rule wasn't applied to our cost when Jay netted against Sunderland at the start of the season. How many 50-50s have we got this season? Maybe the penalty Pool didn't get. If things even themselves out - and I simply don't buy that (especially when Clutts is in charge) - then someone write me a list and tell me how many wrong decisions will go our way before the end of the season. If they do, we could yet be crowned champions in May. :)[/p][/quote]Regarding Point #2: in team sports, not just football, until the one team is willing to stand up to the other and give it back as good as they get, then the ref has no reason to act against the thug team. Why? They are more aggressive and will get into his face, causing him unwanted grief. If the other team does fight back, then the ref is immediately faced with losing control of the match and he must crack down. Now, I know that I'm just a know-nothing WUM from Pompey according to the happy-clappers, but you'll remember a fella by the name of Pochettino saying earlier in the season that his team are too nice and don't get the calls. Saints have got to learn on the training ground to get their shoulders in other guy's chests and under their chins. Learn to hurt the other buggers and they'll learn to respect you. Until then, you'll have no respect and no space. Rodriguez, for one, is playing a lot bigger this season and once he learns how to hurt defenders, he'll have more space. All those centre-halfs like to dish it out, but they whine like babies when it comes back at them, and it gets them off their games. Sport is a substitute for war, and the psychology of the battle is important. If Saints want the calls, they have to get meaner and tougher and give the ref a problem to solve. Until they do, Stoke, Sunderland, WH will always get the best of them (and, ya, with Saints talent, even a draw against those mugs is being bested). That's why Wanyama, poor passer, and Ward-Prowse, talented but unpolished, need to be on the pitch against those teams. They get stuck in. Wanyama is a little reckless and scares the tar out of other team's midfielders. Every team needs that in the middle, even if it means sacrificing some skill.[/p][/quote]A good evaluation which I fear will fall on deaf ears. You see if you say anything which is negative but true, you are automatically a smelly fish from down the road. Don't say anything negative which might ruin the illusion that all is well with the club. Thems the rules![/p][/quote]It's called supporting you team .......... you should try it sometime. Baba Booey
  • Score: 7

7:49pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

Hey Saddos Wet Spam wanted it more says Percy me Parrot !
Hey Saddos Wet Spam wanted it more says Percy me Parrot ! Fatty x Ford Worker
  • Score: -1

7:58pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Clever Dick says...

The Straight Shooter wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Broadening the debate beyond the offside for a moment, my gripe with Clutts on Saturday (and in other games for that matter) is twofold:

1. Like Webb, he seems to have a rather interesting interpretation of handball. Forget the 'none penalty' shown on MotD. That was never a penalty. I'd totally forgotten about it until it was shown again. Yet, there were 3 other important handballs he failed to give us (plus one on the half way line for Spam). One was shown on MotD when Downing made sure his hand stopped the ball going into the box - no foul, no booking apparently! A second was on the other side of the area when a Spam hand (Collins?) was above his head and stopped the ball - no foul apparently. However, before this (at the other end tbh) I thought there was a clear handball when Adam tried to cross and the ball was blocked. Adam didn't complain, but then he seemed to be under instruction to keep it shut all game - maybe a sort of silent protest.

2. His other 're-interpretation' seems to be about fouls. How the East End thugs were allowed to spend the whole match following through with studs, feet, arms etc. is beyond me. The yellow flag lino was hopeless. Early in the second half, he allowed Rickie to be mauled, then gave a foul the other way because Rickie had a slight hold of a shirt. Seconds later, someone (Noble?) put in a vicious over-the-ball tackle on Adam and that was fine - apparently. Adam didn't ONCE use his captain's privilege by speaking to the ref, but finally lost his cool near the end when he was again pushed, shoved and kicked off the ball, got nothing and tugged the opponent's shorts off - and got booked!

Unlike Horse (but I do take your point), I can understand linos struggling to get offsides 100% right and they shouldn't raise their flag if they have enough doubt. Alas, that unwritten rule wasn't applied to our cost when Jay netted against Sunderland at the start of the season.

How many 50-50s have we got this season? Maybe the penalty Pool didn't get.

If things even themselves out - and I simply don't buy that (especially when Clutts is in charge) - then someone write me a list and tell me how many wrong decisions will go our way before the end of the season. If they do, we could yet be crowned champions in May. :)
Regarding Point #2: in team sports, not just football, until the one team is willing to stand up to the other and give it back as good as they get, then the ref has no reason to act against the thug team. Why? They are more aggressive and will get into his face, causing him unwanted grief. If the other team does fight back, then the ref is immediately faced with losing control of the match and he must crack down. Now, I know that I'm just a know-nothing WUM from Pompey according to the happy-clappers, but you'll remember a fella by the name of Pochettino saying earlier in the season that his team are too nice and don't get the calls. Saints have got to learn on the training ground to get their shoulders in other guy's chests and under their chins. Learn to hurt the other buggers and they'll learn to respect you. Until then, you'll have no respect and no space. Rodriguez, for one, is playing a lot bigger this season and once he learns how to hurt defenders, he'll have more space. All those centre-halfs like to dish it out, but they whine like babies when it comes back at them, and it gets them off their games. Sport is a substitute for war, and the psychology of the battle is important. If Saints want the calls, they have to get meaner and tougher and give the ref a problem to solve. Until they do, Stoke, Sunderland, WH will always get the best of them (and, ya, with Saints talent, even a draw against those mugs is being bested). That's why Wanyama, poor passer, and Ward-Prowse, talented but unpolished, need to be on the pitch against those teams. They get stuck in. Wanyama is a little reckless and scares the tar out of other team's midfielders. Every team needs that in the middle, even if it means sacrificing some skill.
A good evaluation which I fear will fall on deaf ears. You see if you say anything which is negative but true, you are automatically a smelly fish from down the road. Don't say anything negative which might ruin the illusion that all is well with the club. Thems the rules!
Well from a personal point of view I'd say all is well within the club. Considering where we were three years ago our current position is nothing short of a miracle. OK so we lose occasionally. We are still evolving and that's going to happen. And yes we were stitched up by Osvaldo which has left us without options up front. Hardly the clubs fault when a player let's himself down and behaves like an amateur. Just to cheer you up though I wouldn't disagree that giving as good as we get should be the order of the day. When playing nasty bar stewards like the hoof I'd love to see them on the end of some really hard stuff. Bullys often disappear when they get back what they are dishing out.That's not quite as easy as it sounds though as our side is pretty young and green around the edges.
[quote][p][bold]The Straight Shooter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Broadening the debate beyond the offside for a moment, my gripe with Clutts on Saturday (and in other games for that matter) is twofold: 1. Like Webb, he seems to have a rather interesting interpretation of handball. Forget the 'none penalty' shown on MotD. That was never a penalty. I'd totally forgotten about it until it was shown again. Yet, there were 3 other important handballs he failed to give us (plus one on the half way line for Spam). One was shown on MotD when Downing made sure his hand stopped the ball going into the box - no foul, no booking apparently! A second was on the other side of the area when a Spam hand (Collins?) was above his head and stopped the ball - no foul apparently. However, before this (at the other end tbh) I thought there was a clear handball when Adam tried to cross and the ball was blocked. Adam didn't complain, but then he seemed to be under instruction to keep it shut all game - maybe a sort of silent protest. 2. His other 're-interpretation' seems to be about fouls. How the East End thugs were allowed to spend the whole match following through with studs, feet, arms etc. is beyond me. The yellow flag lino was hopeless. Early in the second half, he allowed Rickie to be mauled, then gave a foul the other way because Rickie had a slight hold of a shirt. Seconds later, someone (Noble?) put in a vicious over-the-ball tackle on Adam and that was fine - apparently. Adam didn't ONCE use his captain's privilege by speaking to the ref, but finally lost his cool near the end when he was again pushed, shoved and kicked off the ball, got nothing and tugged the opponent's shorts off - and got booked! Unlike Horse (but I do take your point), I can understand linos struggling to get offsides 100% right and they shouldn't raise their flag if they have enough doubt. Alas, that unwritten rule wasn't applied to our cost when Jay netted against Sunderland at the start of the season. How many 50-50s have we got this season? Maybe the penalty Pool didn't get. If things even themselves out - and I simply don't buy that (especially when Clutts is in charge) - then someone write me a list and tell me how many wrong decisions will go our way before the end of the season. If they do, we could yet be crowned champions in May. :)[/p][/quote]Regarding Point #2: in team sports, not just football, until the one team is willing to stand up to the other and give it back as good as they get, then the ref has no reason to act against the thug team. Why? They are more aggressive and will get into his face, causing him unwanted grief. If the other team does fight back, then the ref is immediately faced with losing control of the match and he must crack down. Now, I know that I'm just a know-nothing WUM from Pompey according to the happy-clappers, but you'll remember a fella by the name of Pochettino saying earlier in the season that his team are too nice and don't get the calls. Saints have got to learn on the training ground to get their shoulders in other guy's chests and under their chins. Learn to hurt the other buggers and they'll learn to respect you. Until then, you'll have no respect and no space. Rodriguez, for one, is playing a lot bigger this season and once he learns how to hurt defenders, he'll have more space. All those centre-halfs like to dish it out, but they whine like babies when it comes back at them, and it gets them off their games. Sport is a substitute for war, and the psychology of the battle is important. If Saints want the calls, they have to get meaner and tougher and give the ref a problem to solve. Until they do, Stoke, Sunderland, WH will always get the best of them (and, ya, with Saints talent, even a draw against those mugs is being bested). That's why Wanyama, poor passer, and Ward-Prowse, talented but unpolished, need to be on the pitch against those teams. They get stuck in. Wanyama is a little reckless and scares the tar out of other team's midfielders. Every team needs that in the middle, even if it means sacrificing some skill.[/p][/quote]A good evaluation which I fear will fall on deaf ears. You see if you say anything which is negative but true, you are automatically a smelly fish from down the road. Don't say anything negative which might ruin the illusion that all is well with the club. Thems the rules![/p][/quote]Well from a personal point of view I'd say all is well within the club. Considering where we were three years ago our current position is nothing short of a miracle. OK so we lose occasionally. We are still evolving and that's going to happen. And yes we were stitched up by Osvaldo which has left us without options up front. Hardly the clubs fault when a player let's himself down and behaves like an amateur. Just to cheer you up though I wouldn't disagree that giving as good as we get should be the order of the day. When playing nasty bar stewards like the hoof I'd love to see them on the end of some really hard stuff. Bullys often disappear when they get back what they are dishing out.That's not quite as easy as it sounds though as our side is pretty young and green around the edges. Clever Dick
  • Score: 7

7:58pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Clever Dick says...

The Straight Shooter wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Broadening the debate beyond the offside for a moment, my gripe with Clutts on Saturday (and in other games for that matter) is twofold:

1. Like Webb, he seems to have a rather interesting interpretation of handball. Forget the 'none penalty' shown on MotD. That was never a penalty. I'd totally forgotten about it until it was shown again. Yet, there were 3 other important handballs he failed to give us (plus one on the half way line for Spam). One was shown on MotD when Downing made sure his hand stopped the ball going into the box - no foul, no booking apparently! A second was on the other side of the area when a Spam hand (Collins?) was above his head and stopped the ball - no foul apparently. However, before this (at the other end tbh) I thought there was a clear handball when Adam tried to cross and the ball was blocked. Adam didn't complain, but then he seemed to be under instruction to keep it shut all game - maybe a sort of silent protest.

2. His other 're-interpretation' seems to be about fouls. How the East End thugs were allowed to spend the whole match following through with studs, feet, arms etc. is beyond me. The yellow flag lino was hopeless. Early in the second half, he allowed Rickie to be mauled, then gave a foul the other way because Rickie had a slight hold of a shirt. Seconds later, someone (Noble?) put in a vicious over-the-ball tackle on Adam and that was fine - apparently. Adam didn't ONCE use his captain's privilege by speaking to the ref, but finally lost his cool near the end when he was again pushed, shoved and kicked off the ball, got nothing and tugged the opponent's shorts off - and got booked!

Unlike Horse (but I do take your point), I can understand linos struggling to get offsides 100% right and they shouldn't raise their flag if they have enough doubt. Alas, that unwritten rule wasn't applied to our cost when Jay netted against Sunderland at the start of the season.

How many 50-50s have we got this season? Maybe the penalty Pool didn't get.

If things even themselves out - and I simply don't buy that (especially when Clutts is in charge) - then someone write me a list and tell me how many wrong decisions will go our way before the end of the season. If they do, we could yet be crowned champions in May. :)
Regarding Point #2: in team sports, not just football, until the one team is willing to stand up to the other and give it back as good as they get, then the ref has no reason to act against the thug team. Why? They are more aggressive and will get into his face, causing him unwanted grief. If the other team does fight back, then the ref is immediately faced with losing control of the match and he must crack down. Now, I know that I'm just a know-nothing WUM from Pompey according to the happy-clappers, but you'll remember a fella by the name of Pochettino saying earlier in the season that his team are too nice and don't get the calls. Saints have got to learn on the training ground to get their shoulders in other guy's chests and under their chins. Learn to hurt the other buggers and they'll learn to respect you. Until then, you'll have no respect and no space. Rodriguez, for one, is playing a lot bigger this season and once he learns how to hurt defenders, he'll have more space. All those centre-halfs like to dish it out, but they whine like babies when it comes back at them, and it gets them off their games. Sport is a substitute for war, and the psychology of the battle is important. If Saints want the calls, they have to get meaner and tougher and give the ref a problem to solve. Until they do, Stoke, Sunderland, WH will always get the best of them (and, ya, with Saints talent, even a draw against those mugs is being bested). That's why Wanyama, poor passer, and Ward-Prowse, talented but unpolished, need to be on the pitch against those teams. They get stuck in. Wanyama is a little reckless and scares the tar out of other team's midfielders. Every team needs that in the middle, even if it means sacrificing some skill.
A good evaluation which I fear will fall on deaf ears. You see if you say anything which is negative but true, you are automatically a smelly fish from down the road. Don't say anything negative which might ruin the illusion that all is well with the club. Thems the rules!
Well from a personal point of view I'd say all is well within the club. Considering where we were three years ago our current position is nothing short of a miracle. OK so we lose occasionally. We are still evolving and that's going to happen. And yes we were stitched up by Osvaldo which has left us without options up front. Hardly the clubs fault when a player let's himself down and behaves like an amateur. Just to cheer you up though I wouldn't disagree that giving as good as we get should be the order of the day. When playing nasty bar stewards like the hoof I'd love to see them on the end of some really hard stuff. Bullys often disappear when they get back what they are dishing out.That's not quite as easy as it sounds though as our side is pretty young and green around the edges.
[quote][p][bold]The Straight Shooter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Broadening the debate beyond the offside for a moment, my gripe with Clutts on Saturday (and in other games for that matter) is twofold: 1. Like Webb, he seems to have a rather interesting interpretation of handball. Forget the 'none penalty' shown on MotD. That was never a penalty. I'd totally forgotten about it until it was shown again. Yet, there were 3 other important handballs he failed to give us (plus one on the half way line for Spam). One was shown on MotD when Downing made sure his hand stopped the ball going into the box - no foul, no booking apparently! A second was on the other side of the area when a Spam hand (Collins?) was above his head and stopped the ball - no foul apparently. However, before this (at the other end tbh) I thought there was a clear handball when Adam tried to cross and the ball was blocked. Adam didn't complain, but then he seemed to be under instruction to keep it shut all game - maybe a sort of silent protest. 2. His other 're-interpretation' seems to be about fouls. How the East End thugs were allowed to spend the whole match following through with studs, feet, arms etc. is beyond me. The yellow flag lino was hopeless. Early in the second half, he allowed Rickie to be mauled, then gave a foul the other way because Rickie had a slight hold of a shirt. Seconds later, someone (Noble?) put in a vicious over-the-ball tackle on Adam and that was fine - apparently. Adam didn't ONCE use his captain's privilege by speaking to the ref, but finally lost his cool near the end when he was again pushed, shoved and kicked off the ball, got nothing and tugged the opponent's shorts off - and got booked! Unlike Horse (but I do take your point), I can understand linos struggling to get offsides 100% right and they shouldn't raise their flag if they have enough doubt. Alas, that unwritten rule wasn't applied to our cost when Jay netted against Sunderland at the start of the season. How many 50-50s have we got this season? Maybe the penalty Pool didn't get. If things even themselves out - and I simply don't buy that (especially when Clutts is in charge) - then someone write me a list and tell me how many wrong decisions will go our way before the end of the season. If they do, we could yet be crowned champions in May. :)[/p][/quote]Regarding Point #2: in team sports, not just football, until the one team is willing to stand up to the other and give it back as good as they get, then the ref has no reason to act against the thug team. Why? They are more aggressive and will get into his face, causing him unwanted grief. If the other team does fight back, then the ref is immediately faced with losing control of the match and he must crack down. Now, I know that I'm just a know-nothing WUM from Pompey according to the happy-clappers, but you'll remember a fella by the name of Pochettino saying earlier in the season that his team are too nice and don't get the calls. Saints have got to learn on the training ground to get their shoulders in other guy's chests and under their chins. Learn to hurt the other buggers and they'll learn to respect you. Until then, you'll have no respect and no space. Rodriguez, for one, is playing a lot bigger this season and once he learns how to hurt defenders, he'll have more space. All those centre-halfs like to dish it out, but they whine like babies when it comes back at them, and it gets them off their games. Sport is a substitute for war, and the psychology of the battle is important. If Saints want the calls, they have to get meaner and tougher and give the ref a problem to solve. Until they do, Stoke, Sunderland, WH will always get the best of them (and, ya, with Saints talent, even a draw against those mugs is being bested). That's why Wanyama, poor passer, and Ward-Prowse, talented but unpolished, need to be on the pitch against those teams. They get stuck in. Wanyama is a little reckless and scares the tar out of other team's midfielders. Every team needs that in the middle, even if it means sacrificing some skill.[/p][/quote]A good evaluation which I fear will fall on deaf ears. You see if you say anything which is negative but true, you are automatically a smelly fish from down the road. Don't say anything negative which might ruin the illusion that all is well with the club. Thems the rules![/p][/quote]Well from a personal point of view I'd say all is well within the club. Considering where we were three years ago our current position is nothing short of a miracle. OK so we lose occasionally. We are still evolving and that's going to happen. And yes we were stitched up by Osvaldo which has left us without options up front. Hardly the clubs fault when a player let's himself down and behaves like an amateur. Just to cheer you up though I wouldn't disagree that giving as good as we get should be the order of the day. When playing nasty bar stewards like the hoof I'd love to see them on the end of some really hard stuff. Bullys often disappear when they get back what they are dishing out.That's not quite as easy as it sounds though as our side is pretty young and green around the edges. Clever Dick
  • Score: 4

8:29pm Mon 24 Feb 14

st1halo says...

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Broadening the debate beyond the offside for a moment, my gripe with Clutts on Saturday (and in other games for that matter) is twofold:

1. Like Webb, he seems to have a rather interesting interpretation of handball. Forget the 'none penalty' shown on MotD. That was never a penalty. I'd totally forgotten about it until it was shown again. Yet, there were 3 other important handballs he failed to give us (plus one on the half way line for Spam). One was shown on MotD when Downing made sure his hand stopped the ball going into the box - no foul, no booking apparently! A second was on the other side of the area when a Spam hand (Collins?) was above his head and stopped the ball - no foul apparently. However, before this (at the other end tbh) I thought there was a clear handball when Adam tried to cross and the ball was blocked. Adam didn't complain, but then he seemed to be under instruction to keep it shut all game - maybe a sort of silent protest.

2. His other 're-interpretation' seems to be about fouls. How the East End thugs were allowed to spend the whole match following through with studs, feet, arms etc. is beyond me. The yellow flag lino was hopeless. Early in the second half, he allowed Rickie to be mauled, then gave a foul the other way because Rickie had a slight hold of a shirt. Seconds later, someone (Noble?) put in a vicious over-the-ball tackle on Adam and that was fine - apparently. Adam didn't ONCE use his captain's privilege by speaking to the ref, but finally lost his cool near the end when he was again pushed, shoved and kicked off the ball, got nothing and tugged the opponent's shorts off - and got booked!

Unlike Horse (but I do take your point), I can understand linos struggling to get offsides 100% right and they shouldn't raise their flag if they have enough doubt. Alas, that unwritten rule wasn't applied to our cost when Jay netted against Sunderland at the start of the season.

How many 50-50s have we got this season? Maybe the penalty Pool didn't get.

If things even themselves out - and I simply don't buy that (especially when Clutts is in charge) - then someone write me a list and tell me how many wrong decisions will go our way before the end of the season. If they do, we could yet be crowned champions in May. :)
Regarding Point #2: in team sports, not just football, until the one team is willing to stand up to the other and give it back as good as they get, then the ref has no reason to act against the thug team. Why? They are more aggressive and will get into his face, causing him unwanted grief. If the other team does fight back, then the ref is immediately faced with losing control of the match and he must crack down. Now, I know that I'm just a know-nothing WUM from Pompey according to the happy-clappers, but you'll remember a fella by the name of Pochettino saying earlier in the season that his team are too nice and don't get the calls. Saints have got to learn on the training ground to get their shoulders in other guy's chests and under their chins. Learn to hurt the other buggers and they'll learn to respect you. Until then, you'll have no respect and no space. Rodriguez, for one, is playing a lot bigger this season and once he learns how to hurt defenders, he'll have more space. All those centre-halfs like to dish it out, but they whine like babies when it comes back at them, and it gets them off their games. Sport is a substitute for war, and the psychology of the battle is important. If Saints want the calls, they have to get meaner and tougher and give the ref a problem to solve. Until they do, Stoke, Sunderland, WH will always get the best of them (and, ya, with Saints talent, even a draw against those mugs is being bested). That's why Wanyama, poor passer, and Ward-Prowse, talented but unpolished, need to be on the pitch against those teams. They get stuck in. Wanyama is a little reckless and scares the tar out of other team's midfielders. Every team needs that in the middle, even if it means sacrificing some skill.
I don't agree about refs. Rules is Rules! If a referee starts to give decisions for fear of grief then he's not fit for the job.
I do agree about the psychology of the battle when coming up against more physical teams.

As for the Pompey Wum thing, I think when your very first post sideswipes everyone with statements like 'know nothing about football' and 'happy clappers' in an attempt to invalidate any reply, you shouldnt be too surprised at the result. It was provocative. Had you just said your piece I think your reception would have been warmer. No disrespect, just saying.

STID
[quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Broadening the debate beyond the offside for a moment, my gripe with Clutts on Saturday (and in other games for that matter) is twofold: 1. Like Webb, he seems to have a rather interesting interpretation of handball. Forget the 'none penalty' shown on MotD. That was never a penalty. I'd totally forgotten about it until it was shown again. Yet, there were 3 other important handballs he failed to give us (plus one on the half way line for Spam). One was shown on MotD when Downing made sure his hand stopped the ball going into the box - no foul, no booking apparently! A second was on the other side of the area when a Spam hand (Collins?) was above his head and stopped the ball - no foul apparently. However, before this (at the other end tbh) I thought there was a clear handball when Adam tried to cross and the ball was blocked. Adam didn't complain, but then he seemed to be under instruction to keep it shut all game - maybe a sort of silent protest. 2. His other 're-interpretation' seems to be about fouls. How the East End thugs were allowed to spend the whole match following through with studs, feet, arms etc. is beyond me. The yellow flag lino was hopeless. Early in the second half, he allowed Rickie to be mauled, then gave a foul the other way because Rickie had a slight hold of a shirt. Seconds later, someone (Noble?) put in a vicious over-the-ball tackle on Adam and that was fine - apparently. Adam didn't ONCE use his captain's privilege by speaking to the ref, but finally lost his cool near the end when he was again pushed, shoved and kicked off the ball, got nothing and tugged the opponent's shorts off - and got booked! Unlike Horse (but I do take your point), I can understand linos struggling to get offsides 100% right and they shouldn't raise their flag if they have enough doubt. Alas, that unwritten rule wasn't applied to our cost when Jay netted against Sunderland at the start of the season. How many 50-50s have we got this season? Maybe the penalty Pool didn't get. If things even themselves out - and I simply don't buy that (especially when Clutts is in charge) - then someone write me a list and tell me how many wrong decisions will go our way before the end of the season. If they do, we could yet be crowned champions in May. :)[/p][/quote]Regarding Point #2: in team sports, not just football, until the one team is willing to stand up to the other and give it back as good as they get, then the ref has no reason to act against the thug team. Why? They are more aggressive and will get into his face, causing him unwanted grief. If the other team does fight back, then the ref is immediately faced with losing control of the match and he must crack down. Now, I know that I'm just a know-nothing WUM from Pompey according to the happy-clappers, but you'll remember a fella by the name of Pochettino saying earlier in the season that his team are too nice and don't get the calls. Saints have got to learn on the training ground to get their shoulders in other guy's chests and under their chins. Learn to hurt the other buggers and they'll learn to respect you. Until then, you'll have no respect and no space. Rodriguez, for one, is playing a lot bigger this season and once he learns how to hurt defenders, he'll have more space. All those centre-halfs like to dish it out, but they whine like babies when it comes back at them, and it gets them off their games. Sport is a substitute for war, and the psychology of the battle is important. If Saints want the calls, they have to get meaner and tougher and give the ref a problem to solve. Until they do, Stoke, Sunderland, WH will always get the best of them (and, ya, with Saints talent, even a draw against those mugs is being bested). That's why Wanyama, poor passer, and Ward-Prowse, talented but unpolished, need to be on the pitch against those teams. They get stuck in. Wanyama is a little reckless and scares the tar out of other team's midfielders. Every team needs that in the middle, even if it means sacrificing some skill.[/p][/quote]I don't agree about refs. Rules is Rules! If a referee starts to give decisions for fear of grief then he's not fit for the job. I do agree about the psychology of the battle when coming up against more physical teams. As for the Pompey Wum thing, I think when your very first post sideswipes everyone with statements like 'know nothing about football' and 'happy clappers' in an attempt to invalidate any reply, you shouldnt be too surprised at the result. It was provocative. Had you just said your piece I think your reception would have been warmer. No disrespect, just saying. STID st1halo
  • Score: 7

8:33pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness says...

Clever Dick wrote:
The Straight Shooter wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Broadening the debate beyond the offside for a moment, my gripe with Clutts on Saturday (and in other games for that matter) is twofold:

1. Like Webb, he seems to have a rather interesting interpretation of handball. Forget the 'none penalty' shown on MotD. That was never a penalty. I'd totally forgotten about it until it was shown again. Yet, there were 3 other important handballs he failed to give us (plus one on the half way line for Spam). One was shown on MotD when Downing made sure his hand stopped the ball going into the box - no foul, no booking apparently! A second was on the other side of the area when a Spam hand (Collins?) was above his head and stopped the ball - no foul apparently. However, before this (at the other end tbh) I thought there was a clear handball when Adam tried to cross and the ball was blocked. Adam didn't complain, but then he seemed to be under instruction to keep it shut all game - maybe a sort of silent protest.

2. His other 're-interpretation' seems to be about fouls. How the East End thugs were allowed to spend the whole match following through with studs, feet, arms etc. is beyond me. The yellow flag lino was hopeless. Early in the second half, he allowed Rickie to be mauled, then gave a foul the other way because Rickie had a slight hold of a shirt. Seconds later, someone (Noble?) put in a vicious over-the-ball tackle on Adam and that was fine - apparently. Adam didn't ONCE use his captain's privilege by speaking to the ref, but finally lost his cool near the end when he was again pushed, shoved and kicked off the ball, got nothing and tugged the opponent's shorts off - and got booked!

Unlike Horse (but I do take your point), I can understand linos struggling to get offsides 100% right and they shouldn't raise their flag if they have enough doubt. Alas, that unwritten rule wasn't applied to our cost when Jay netted against Sunderland at the start of the season.

How many 50-50s have we got this season? Maybe the penalty Pool didn't get.

If things even themselves out - and I simply don't buy that (especially when Clutts is in charge) - then someone write me a list and tell me how many wrong decisions will go our way before the end of the season. If they do, we could yet be crowned champions in May. :)
Regarding Point #2: in team sports, not just football, until the one team is willing to stand up to the other and give it back as good as they get, then the ref has no reason to act against the thug team. Why? They are more aggressive and will get into his face, causing him unwanted grief. If the other team does fight back, then the ref is immediately faced with losing control of the match and he must crack down. Now, I know that I'm just a know-nothing WUM from Pompey according to the happy-clappers, but you'll remember a fella by the name of Pochettino saying earlier in the season that his team are too nice and don't get the calls. Saints have got to learn on the training ground to get their shoulders in other guy's chests and under their chins. Learn to hurt the other buggers and they'll learn to respect you. Until then, you'll have no respect and no space. Rodriguez, for one, is playing a lot bigger this season and once he learns how to hurt defenders, he'll have more space. All those centre-halfs like to dish it out, but they whine like babies when it comes back at them, and it gets them off their games. Sport is a substitute for war, and the psychology of the battle is important. If Saints want the calls, they have to get meaner and tougher and give the ref a problem to solve. Until they do, Stoke, Sunderland, WH will always get the best of them (and, ya, with Saints talent, even a draw against those mugs is being bested). That's why Wanyama, poor passer, and Ward-Prowse, talented but unpolished, need to be on the pitch against those teams. They get stuck in. Wanyama is a little reckless and scares the tar out of other team's midfielders. Every team needs that in the middle, even if it means sacrificing some skill.
A good evaluation which I fear will fall on deaf ears. You see if you say anything which is negative but true, you are automatically a smelly fish from down the road. Don't say anything negative which might ruin the illusion that all is well with the club. Thems the rules!
Well from a personal point of view I'd say all is well within the club. Considering where we were three years ago our current position is nothing short of a miracle. OK so we lose occasionally. We are still evolving and that's going to happen. And yes we were stitched up by Osvaldo which has left us without options up front. Hardly the clubs fault when a player let's himself down and behaves like an amateur. Just to cheer you up though I wouldn't disagree that giving as good as we get should be the order of the day. When playing nasty bar stewards like the hoof I'd love to see them on the end of some really hard stuff. Bullys often disappear when they get back what they are dishing out.That's not quite as easy as it sounds though as our side is pretty young and green around the edges.
"young and green around the edges." Thanks. My point on these posts has been to show why and where further progress is needed, not to wind-up the happy-clappers and get their tears flowing. With regard to Fonte and Osvaldo, I know that none of us knows the real full story about what occurred. However, Fonte likes to dish it out in order to get any edge he can and survive in the Premier League, and good for him. But, if he's clogging his own strikers on the training ground, he should expect the odd punch in the head. Oh, don't get the vapours, you happy-clappers. Men will often throw a few punches and then forget the whole incident. On the day that it went public, I was worried that Saints, as a team, were not comfortable having a battler in the team. Other teams have bust-ups on the training ground and get on with it, so there is an issue here. Either Osvaldo's too much of a headcase or, and we must consider this, the other Saints are too delicate to put up with a training ground dust-up.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Straight Shooter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Broadening the debate beyond the offside for a moment, my gripe with Clutts on Saturday (and in other games for that matter) is twofold: 1. Like Webb, he seems to have a rather interesting interpretation of handball. Forget the 'none penalty' shown on MotD. That was never a penalty. I'd totally forgotten about it until it was shown again. Yet, there were 3 other important handballs he failed to give us (plus one on the half way line for Spam). One was shown on MotD when Downing made sure his hand stopped the ball going into the box - no foul, no booking apparently! A second was on the other side of the area when a Spam hand (Collins?) was above his head and stopped the ball - no foul apparently. However, before this (at the other end tbh) I thought there was a clear handball when Adam tried to cross and the ball was blocked. Adam didn't complain, but then he seemed to be under instruction to keep it shut all game - maybe a sort of silent protest. 2. His other 're-interpretation' seems to be about fouls. How the East End thugs were allowed to spend the whole match following through with studs, feet, arms etc. is beyond me. The yellow flag lino was hopeless. Early in the second half, he allowed Rickie to be mauled, then gave a foul the other way because Rickie had a slight hold of a shirt. Seconds later, someone (Noble?) put in a vicious over-the-ball tackle on Adam and that was fine - apparently. Adam didn't ONCE use his captain's privilege by speaking to the ref, but finally lost his cool near the end when he was again pushed, shoved and kicked off the ball, got nothing and tugged the opponent's shorts off - and got booked! Unlike Horse (but I do take your point), I can understand linos struggling to get offsides 100% right and they shouldn't raise their flag if they have enough doubt. Alas, that unwritten rule wasn't applied to our cost when Jay netted against Sunderland at the start of the season. How many 50-50s have we got this season? Maybe the penalty Pool didn't get. If things even themselves out - and I simply don't buy that (especially when Clutts is in charge) - then someone write me a list and tell me how many wrong decisions will go our way before the end of the season. If they do, we could yet be crowned champions in May. :)[/p][/quote]Regarding Point #2: in team sports, not just football, until the one team is willing to stand up to the other and give it back as good as they get, then the ref has no reason to act against the thug team. Why? They are more aggressive and will get into his face, causing him unwanted grief. If the other team does fight back, then the ref is immediately faced with losing control of the match and he must crack down. Now, I know that I'm just a know-nothing WUM from Pompey according to the happy-clappers, but you'll remember a fella by the name of Pochettino saying earlier in the season that his team are too nice and don't get the calls. Saints have got to learn on the training ground to get their shoulders in other guy's chests and under their chins. Learn to hurt the other buggers and they'll learn to respect you. Until then, you'll have no respect and no space. Rodriguez, for one, is playing a lot bigger this season and once he learns how to hurt defenders, he'll have more space. All those centre-halfs like to dish it out, but they whine like babies when it comes back at them, and it gets them off their games. Sport is a substitute for war, and the psychology of the battle is important. If Saints want the calls, they have to get meaner and tougher and give the ref a problem to solve. Until they do, Stoke, Sunderland, WH will always get the best of them (and, ya, with Saints talent, even a draw against those mugs is being bested). That's why Wanyama, poor passer, and Ward-Prowse, talented but unpolished, need to be on the pitch against those teams. They get stuck in. Wanyama is a little reckless and scares the tar out of other team's midfielders. Every team needs that in the middle, even if it means sacrificing some skill.[/p][/quote]A good evaluation which I fear will fall on deaf ears. You see if you say anything which is negative but true, you are automatically a smelly fish from down the road. Don't say anything negative which might ruin the illusion that all is well with the club. Thems the rules![/p][/quote]Well from a personal point of view I'd say all is well within the club. Considering where we were three years ago our current position is nothing short of a miracle. OK so we lose occasionally. We are still evolving and that's going to happen. And yes we were stitched up by Osvaldo which has left us without options up front. Hardly the clubs fault when a player let's himself down and behaves like an amateur. Just to cheer you up though I wouldn't disagree that giving as good as we get should be the order of the day. When playing nasty bar stewards like the hoof I'd love to see them on the end of some really hard stuff. Bullys often disappear when they get back what they are dishing out.That's not quite as easy as it sounds though as our side is pretty young and green around the edges.[/p][/quote]"young and green around the edges." Thanks. My point on these posts has been to show why and where further progress is needed, not to wind-up the happy-clappers and get their tears flowing. With regard to Fonte and Osvaldo, I know that none of us knows the real full story about what occurred. However, Fonte likes to dish it out in order to get any edge he can and survive in the Premier League, and good for him. But, if he's clogging his own strikers on the training ground, he should expect the odd punch in the head. Oh, don't get the vapours, you happy-clappers. Men will often throw a few punches and then forget the whole incident. On the day that it went public, I was worried that Saints, as a team, were not comfortable having a battler in the team. Other teams have bust-ups on the training ground and get on with it, so there is an issue here. Either Osvaldo's too much of a headcase or, and we must consider this, the other Saints are too delicate to put up with a training ground dust-up. Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness
  • Score: -8

8:37pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness says...

st1halo wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Broadening the debate beyond the offside for a moment, my gripe with Clutts on Saturday (and in other games for that matter) is twofold:

1. Like Webb, he seems to have a rather interesting interpretation of handball. Forget the 'none penalty' shown on MotD. That was never a penalty. I'd totally forgotten about it until it was shown again. Yet, there were 3 other important handballs he failed to give us (plus one on the half way line for Spam). One was shown on MotD when Downing made sure his hand stopped the ball going into the box - no foul, no booking apparently! A second was on the other side of the area when a Spam hand (Collins?) was above his head and stopped the ball - no foul apparently. However, before this (at the other end tbh) I thought there was a clear handball when Adam tried to cross and the ball was blocked. Adam didn't complain, but then he seemed to be under instruction to keep it shut all game - maybe a sort of silent protest.

2. His other 're-interpretation' seems to be about fouls. How the East End thugs were allowed to spend the whole match following through with studs, feet, arms etc. is beyond me. The yellow flag lino was hopeless. Early in the second half, he allowed Rickie to be mauled, then gave a foul the other way because Rickie had a slight hold of a shirt. Seconds later, someone (Noble?) put in a vicious over-the-ball tackle on Adam and that was fine - apparently. Adam didn't ONCE use his captain's privilege by speaking to the ref, but finally lost his cool near the end when he was again pushed, shoved and kicked off the ball, got nothing and tugged the opponent's shorts off - and got booked!

Unlike Horse (but I do take your point), I can understand linos struggling to get offsides 100% right and they shouldn't raise their flag if they have enough doubt. Alas, that unwritten rule wasn't applied to our cost when Jay netted against Sunderland at the start of the season.

How many 50-50s have we got this season? Maybe the penalty Pool didn't get.

If things even themselves out - and I simply don't buy that (especially when Clutts is in charge) - then someone write me a list and tell me how many wrong decisions will go our way before the end of the season. If they do, we could yet be crowned champions in May. :)
Regarding Point #2: in team sports, not just football, until the one team is willing to stand up to the other and give it back as good as they get, then the ref has no reason to act against the thug team. Why? They are more aggressive and will get into his face, causing him unwanted grief. If the other team does fight back, then the ref is immediately faced with losing control of the match and he must crack down. Now, I know that I'm just a know-nothing WUM from Pompey according to the happy-clappers, but you'll remember a fella by the name of Pochettino saying earlier in the season that his team are too nice and don't get the calls. Saints have got to learn on the training ground to get their shoulders in other guy's chests and under their chins. Learn to hurt the other buggers and they'll learn to respect you. Until then, you'll have no respect and no space. Rodriguez, for one, is playing a lot bigger this season and once he learns how to hurt defenders, he'll have more space. All those centre-halfs like to dish it out, but they whine like babies when it comes back at them, and it gets them off their games. Sport is a substitute for war, and the psychology of the battle is important. If Saints want the calls, they have to get meaner and tougher and give the ref a problem to solve. Until they do, Stoke, Sunderland, WH will always get the best of them (and, ya, with Saints talent, even a draw against those mugs is being bested). That's why Wanyama, poor passer, and Ward-Prowse, talented but unpolished, need to be on the pitch against those teams. They get stuck in. Wanyama is a little reckless and scares the tar out of other team's midfielders. Every team needs that in the middle, even if it means sacrificing some skill.
I don't agree about refs. Rules is Rules! If a referee starts to give decisions for fear of grief then he's not fit for the job.
I do agree about the psychology of the battle when coming up against more physical teams.

As for the Pompey Wum thing, I think when your very first post sideswipes everyone with statements like 'know nothing about football' and 'happy clappers' in an attempt to invalidate any reply, you shouldnt be too surprised at the result. It was provocative. Had you just said your piece I think your reception would have been warmer. No disrespect, just saying.

STID
You obviously didn't read my first post, which was on the game thread page. The happy-clappers were already having a go at me when I started taunting them back. No disrespect here, either.
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Broadening the debate beyond the offside for a moment, my gripe with Clutts on Saturday (and in other games for that matter) is twofold: 1. Like Webb, he seems to have a rather interesting interpretation of handball. Forget the 'none penalty' shown on MotD. That was never a penalty. I'd totally forgotten about it until it was shown again. Yet, there were 3 other important handballs he failed to give us (plus one on the half way line for Spam). One was shown on MotD when Downing made sure his hand stopped the ball going into the box - no foul, no booking apparently! A second was on the other side of the area when a Spam hand (Collins?) was above his head and stopped the ball - no foul apparently. However, before this (at the other end tbh) I thought there was a clear handball when Adam tried to cross and the ball was blocked. Adam didn't complain, but then he seemed to be under instruction to keep it shut all game - maybe a sort of silent protest. 2. His other 're-interpretation' seems to be about fouls. How the East End thugs were allowed to spend the whole match following through with studs, feet, arms etc. is beyond me. The yellow flag lino was hopeless. Early in the second half, he allowed Rickie to be mauled, then gave a foul the other way because Rickie had a slight hold of a shirt. Seconds later, someone (Noble?) put in a vicious over-the-ball tackle on Adam and that was fine - apparently. Adam didn't ONCE use his captain's privilege by speaking to the ref, but finally lost his cool near the end when he was again pushed, shoved and kicked off the ball, got nothing and tugged the opponent's shorts off - and got booked! Unlike Horse (but I do take your point), I can understand linos struggling to get offsides 100% right and they shouldn't raise their flag if they have enough doubt. Alas, that unwritten rule wasn't applied to our cost when Jay netted against Sunderland at the start of the season. How many 50-50s have we got this season? Maybe the penalty Pool didn't get. If things even themselves out - and I simply don't buy that (especially when Clutts is in charge) - then someone write me a list and tell me how many wrong decisions will go our way before the end of the season. If they do, we could yet be crowned champions in May. :)[/p][/quote]Regarding Point #2: in team sports, not just football, until the one team is willing to stand up to the other and give it back as good as they get, then the ref has no reason to act against the thug team. Why? They are more aggressive and will get into his face, causing him unwanted grief. If the other team does fight back, then the ref is immediately faced with losing control of the match and he must crack down. Now, I know that I'm just a know-nothing WUM from Pompey according to the happy-clappers, but you'll remember a fella by the name of Pochettino saying earlier in the season that his team are too nice and don't get the calls. Saints have got to learn on the training ground to get their shoulders in other guy's chests and under their chins. Learn to hurt the other buggers and they'll learn to respect you. Until then, you'll have no respect and no space. Rodriguez, for one, is playing a lot bigger this season and once he learns how to hurt defenders, he'll have more space. All those centre-halfs like to dish it out, but they whine like babies when it comes back at them, and it gets them off their games. Sport is a substitute for war, and the psychology of the battle is important. If Saints want the calls, they have to get meaner and tougher and give the ref a problem to solve. Until they do, Stoke, Sunderland, WH will always get the best of them (and, ya, with Saints talent, even a draw against those mugs is being bested). That's why Wanyama, poor passer, and Ward-Prowse, talented but unpolished, need to be on the pitch against those teams. They get stuck in. Wanyama is a little reckless and scares the tar out of other team's midfielders. Every team needs that in the middle, even if it means sacrificing some skill.[/p][/quote]I don't agree about refs. Rules is Rules! If a referee starts to give decisions for fear of grief then he's not fit for the job. I do agree about the psychology of the battle when coming up against more physical teams. As for the Pompey Wum thing, I think when your very first post sideswipes everyone with statements like 'know nothing about football' and 'happy clappers' in an attempt to invalidate any reply, you shouldnt be too surprised at the result. It was provocative. Had you just said your piece I think your reception would have been warmer. No disrespect, just saying. STID[/p][/quote]You obviously didn't read my first post, which was on the game thread page. The happy-clappers were already having a go at me when I started taunting them back. No disrespect here, either. Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness
  • Score: -9

8:43pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Well, my earlier thoughts seemed to have stirred things up. So, trying to deflect things a bit, here's a comment from the BBC FA Cup thread this evening:

'Simon Church gets goal-side of Miguel Llera and goes down in a heap, he wants a penalty but referee Mark Clattenburg is not interested. Llera would have been sent-off as well there...'

Little Marky's having a busy week!
Well, my earlier thoughts seemed to have stirred things up. So, trying to deflect things a bit, here's a comment from the BBC FA Cup thread this evening: 'Simon Church gets goal-side of Miguel Llera and goes down in a heap, he wants a penalty but referee Mark Clattenburg is not interested. Llera would have been sent-off as well there...' Little Marky's having a busy week! Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 5

9:01pm Mon 24 Feb 14

SnapperSaint says...

The Straight Shooter wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Broadening the debate beyond the offside for a moment, my gripe with Clutts on Saturday (and in other games for that matter) is twofold:

1. Like Webb, he seems to have a rather interesting interpretation of handball. Forget the 'none penalty' shown on MotD. That was never a penalty. I'd totally forgotten about it until it was shown again. Yet, there were 3 other important handballs he failed to give us (plus one on the half way line for Spam). One was shown on MotD when Downing made sure his hand stopped the ball going into the box - no foul, no booking apparently! A second was on the other side of the area when a Spam hand (Collins?) was above his head and stopped the ball - no foul apparently. However, before this (at the other end tbh) I thought there was a clear handball when Adam tried to cross and the ball was blocked. Adam didn't complain, but then he seemed to be under instruction to keep it shut all game - maybe a sort of silent protest.

2. His other 're-interpretation' seems to be about fouls. How the East End thugs were allowed to spend the whole match following through with studs, feet, arms etc. is beyond me. The yellow flag lino was hopeless. Early in the second half, he allowed Rickie to be mauled, then gave a foul the other way because Rickie had a slight hold of a shirt. Seconds later, someone (Noble?) put in a vicious over-the-ball tackle on Adam and that was fine - apparently. Adam didn't ONCE use his captain's privilege by speaking to the ref, but finally lost his cool near the end when he was again pushed, shoved and kicked off the ball, got nothing and tugged the opponent's shorts off - and got booked!

Unlike Horse (but I do take your point), I can understand linos struggling to get offsides 100% right and they shouldn't raise their flag if they have enough doubt. Alas, that unwritten rule wasn't applied to our cost when Jay netted against Sunderland at the start of the season.

How many 50-50s have we got this season? Maybe the penalty Pool didn't get.

If things even themselves out - and I simply don't buy that (especially when Clutts is in charge) - then someone write me a list and tell me how many wrong decisions will go our way before the end of the season. If they do, we could yet be crowned champions in May. :)
Regarding Point #2: in team sports, not just football, until the one team is willing to stand up to the other and give it back as good as they get, then the ref has no reason to act against the thug team. Why? They are more aggressive and will get into his face, causing him unwanted grief. If the other team does fight back, then the ref is immediately faced with losing control of the match and he must crack down. Now, I know that I'm just a know-nothing WUM from Pompey according to the happy-clappers, but you'll remember a fella by the name of Pochettino saying earlier in the season that his team are too nice and don't get the calls. Saints have got to learn on the training ground to get their shoulders in other guy's chests and under their chins. Learn to hurt the other buggers and they'll learn to respect you. Until then, you'll have no respect and no space. Rodriguez, for one, is playing a lot bigger this season and once he learns how to hurt defenders, he'll have more space. All those centre-halfs like to dish it out, but they whine like babies when it comes back at them, and it gets them off their games. Sport is a substitute for war, and the psychology of the battle is important. If Saints want the calls, they have to get meaner and tougher and give the ref a problem to solve. Until they do, Stoke, Sunderland, WH will always get the best of them (and, ya, with Saints talent, even a draw against those mugs is being bested). That's why Wanyama, poor passer, and Ward-Prowse, talented but unpolished, need to be on the pitch against those teams. They get stuck in. Wanyama is a little reckless and scares the tar out of other team's midfielders. Every team needs that in the middle, even if it means sacrificing some skill.
A good evaluation which I fear will fall on deaf ears. You see if you say anything which is negative but true, you are automatically a smelly fish from down the road. Don't say anything negative which might ruin the illusion that all is well with the club. Thems the rules!
That's true if you say un-reasoned negative things i.e. talk cr@p, then people do think you are a fish faced WUM, but since on this particular occasion he's made a perfectly reasoned point, then it's worth reading and respond to.

Please don't make assumptions about what I or the rest of the posters on this (highly entertaining site) think...thanks!
Them's my rules anyway Mr Smelly Fish!
That was said as a JOKE btw!
[quote][p][bold]The Straight Shooter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Broadening the debate beyond the offside for a moment, my gripe with Clutts on Saturday (and in other games for that matter) is twofold: 1. Like Webb, he seems to have a rather interesting interpretation of handball. Forget the 'none penalty' shown on MotD. That was never a penalty. I'd totally forgotten about it until it was shown again. Yet, there were 3 other important handballs he failed to give us (plus one on the half way line for Spam). One was shown on MotD when Downing made sure his hand stopped the ball going into the box - no foul, no booking apparently! A second was on the other side of the area when a Spam hand (Collins?) was above his head and stopped the ball - no foul apparently. However, before this (at the other end tbh) I thought there was a clear handball when Adam tried to cross and the ball was blocked. Adam didn't complain, but then he seemed to be under instruction to keep it shut all game - maybe a sort of silent protest. 2. His other 're-interpretation' seems to be about fouls. How the East End thugs were allowed to spend the whole match following through with studs, feet, arms etc. is beyond me. The yellow flag lino was hopeless. Early in the second half, he allowed Rickie to be mauled, then gave a foul the other way because Rickie had a slight hold of a shirt. Seconds later, someone (Noble?) put in a vicious over-the-ball tackle on Adam and that was fine - apparently. Adam didn't ONCE use his captain's privilege by speaking to the ref, but finally lost his cool near the end when he was again pushed, shoved and kicked off the ball, got nothing and tugged the opponent's shorts off - and got booked! Unlike Horse (but I do take your point), I can understand linos struggling to get offsides 100% right and they shouldn't raise their flag if they have enough doubt. Alas, that unwritten rule wasn't applied to our cost when Jay netted against Sunderland at the start of the season. How many 50-50s have we got this season? Maybe the penalty Pool didn't get. If things even themselves out - and I simply don't buy that (especially when Clutts is in charge) - then someone write me a list and tell me how many wrong decisions will go our way before the end of the season. If they do, we could yet be crowned champions in May. :)[/p][/quote]Regarding Point #2: in team sports, not just football, until the one team is willing to stand up to the other and give it back as good as they get, then the ref has no reason to act against the thug team. Why? They are more aggressive and will get into his face, causing him unwanted grief. If the other team does fight back, then the ref is immediately faced with losing control of the match and he must crack down. Now, I know that I'm just a know-nothing WUM from Pompey according to the happy-clappers, but you'll remember a fella by the name of Pochettino saying earlier in the season that his team are too nice and don't get the calls. Saints have got to learn on the training ground to get their shoulders in other guy's chests and under their chins. Learn to hurt the other buggers and they'll learn to respect you. Until then, you'll have no respect and no space. Rodriguez, for one, is playing a lot bigger this season and once he learns how to hurt defenders, he'll have more space. All those centre-halfs like to dish it out, but they whine like babies when it comes back at them, and it gets them off their games. Sport is a substitute for war, and the psychology of the battle is important. If Saints want the calls, they have to get meaner and tougher and give the ref a problem to solve. Until they do, Stoke, Sunderland, WH will always get the best of them (and, ya, with Saints talent, even a draw against those mugs is being bested). That's why Wanyama, poor passer, and Ward-Prowse, talented but unpolished, need to be on the pitch against those teams. They get stuck in. Wanyama is a little reckless and scares the tar out of other team's midfielders. Every team needs that in the middle, even if it means sacrificing some skill.[/p][/quote]A good evaluation which I fear will fall on deaf ears. You see if you say anything which is negative but true, you are automatically a smelly fish from down the road. Don't say anything negative which might ruin the illusion that all is well with the club. Thems the rules![/p][/quote]That's true if you say un-reasoned negative things i.e. talk cr@p, then people do think you are a fish faced WUM, but since on this particular occasion he's made a perfectly reasoned point, then it's worth reading and respond to. Please don't make assumptions about what I or the rest of the posters on this (highly entertaining site) think...thanks! Them's my rules anyway Mr Smelly Fish! That was said as a JOKE btw! SnapperSaint
  • Score: 5

9:08pm Mon 24 Feb 14

SnapperSaint says...

st1halo wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Broadening the debate beyond the offside for a moment, my gripe with Clutts on Saturday (and in other games for that matter) is twofold:

1. Like Webb, he seems to have a rather interesting interpretation of handball. Forget the 'none penalty' shown on MotD. That was never a penalty. I'd totally forgotten about it until it was shown again. Yet, there were 3 other important handballs he failed to give us (plus one on the half way line for Spam). One was shown on MotD when Downing made sure his hand stopped the ball going into the box - no foul, no booking apparently! A second was on the other side of the area when a Spam hand (Collins?) was above his head and stopped the ball - no foul apparently. However, before this (at the other end tbh) I thought there was a clear handball when Adam tried to cross and the ball was blocked. Adam didn't complain, but then he seemed to be under instruction to keep it shut all game - maybe a sort of silent protest.

2. His other 're-interpretation' seems to be about fouls. How the East End thugs were allowed to spend the whole match following through with studs, feet, arms etc. is beyond me. The yellow flag lino was hopeless. Early in the second half, he allowed Rickie to be mauled, then gave a foul the other way because Rickie had a slight hold of a shirt. Seconds later, someone (Noble?) put in a vicious over-the-ball tackle on Adam and that was fine - apparently. Adam didn't ONCE use his captain's privilege by speaking to the ref, but finally lost his cool near the end when he was again pushed, shoved and kicked off the ball, got nothing and tugged the opponent's shorts off - and got booked!

Unlike Horse (but I do take your point), I can understand linos struggling to get offsides 100% right and they shouldn't raise their flag if they have enough doubt. Alas, that unwritten rule wasn't applied to our cost when Jay netted against Sunderland at the start of the season.

How many 50-50s have we got this season? Maybe the penalty Pool didn't get.

If things even themselves out - and I simply don't buy that (especially when Clutts is in charge) - then someone write me a list and tell me how many wrong decisions will go our way before the end of the season. If they do, we could yet be crowned champions in May. :)
Regarding Point #2: in team sports, not just football, until the one team is willing to stand up to the other and give it back as good as they get, then the ref has no reason to act against the thug team. Why? They are more aggressive and will get into his face, causing him unwanted grief. If the other team does fight back, then the ref is immediately faced with losing control of the match and he must crack down. Now, I know that I'm just a know-nothing WUM from Pompey according to the happy-clappers, but you'll remember a fella by the name of Pochettino saying earlier in the season that his team are too nice and don't get the calls. Saints have got to learn on the training ground to get their shoulders in other guy's chests and under their chins. Learn to hurt the other buggers and they'll learn to respect you. Until then, you'll have no respect and no space. Rodriguez, for one, is playing a lot bigger this season and once he learns how to hurt defenders, he'll have more space. All those centre-halfs like to dish it out, but they whine like babies when it comes back at them, and it gets them off their games. Sport is a substitute for war, and the psychology of the battle is important. If Saints want the calls, they have to get meaner and tougher and give the ref a problem to solve. Until they do, Stoke, Sunderland, WH will always get the best of them (and, ya, with Saints talent, even a draw against those mugs is being bested). That's why Wanyama, poor passer, and Ward-Prowse, talented but unpolished, need to be on the pitch against those teams. They get stuck in. Wanyama is a little reckless and scares the tar out of other team's midfielders. Every team needs that in the middle, even if it means sacrificing some skill.
I don't agree about refs. Rules is Rules! If a referee starts to give decisions for fear of grief then he's not fit for the job.
I do agree about the psychology of the battle when coming up against more physical teams.

As for the Pompey Wum thing, I think when your very first post sideswipes everyone with statements like 'know nothing about football' and 'happy clappers' in an attempt to invalidate any reply, you shouldnt be too surprised at the result. It was provocative. Had you just said your piece I think your reception would have been warmer. No disrespect, just saying.

STID
My point exactly...make a valid argument I will listen, call me names I get p1ssed off and hit back...
SNPAMT (AKA Mental) has some good points, but spoils it with his get your attack in first approach...calm it Mr SANPAMentalT all opinions are valid.
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Broadening the debate beyond the offside for a moment, my gripe with Clutts on Saturday (and in other games for that matter) is twofold: 1. Like Webb, he seems to have a rather interesting interpretation of handball. Forget the 'none penalty' shown on MotD. That was never a penalty. I'd totally forgotten about it until it was shown again. Yet, there were 3 other important handballs he failed to give us (plus one on the half way line for Spam). One was shown on MotD when Downing made sure his hand stopped the ball going into the box - no foul, no booking apparently! A second was on the other side of the area when a Spam hand (Collins?) was above his head and stopped the ball - no foul apparently. However, before this (at the other end tbh) I thought there was a clear handball when Adam tried to cross and the ball was blocked. Adam didn't complain, but then he seemed to be under instruction to keep it shut all game - maybe a sort of silent protest. 2. His other 're-interpretation' seems to be about fouls. How the East End thugs were allowed to spend the whole match following through with studs, feet, arms etc. is beyond me. The yellow flag lino was hopeless. Early in the second half, he allowed Rickie to be mauled, then gave a foul the other way because Rickie had a slight hold of a shirt. Seconds later, someone (Noble?) put in a vicious over-the-ball tackle on Adam and that was fine - apparently. Adam didn't ONCE use his captain's privilege by speaking to the ref, but finally lost his cool near the end when he was again pushed, shoved and kicked off the ball, got nothing and tugged the opponent's shorts off - and got booked! Unlike Horse (but I do take your point), I can understand linos struggling to get offsides 100% right and they shouldn't raise their flag if they have enough doubt. Alas, that unwritten rule wasn't applied to our cost when Jay netted against Sunderland at the start of the season. How many 50-50s have we got this season? Maybe the penalty Pool didn't get. If things even themselves out - and I simply don't buy that (especially when Clutts is in charge) - then someone write me a list and tell me how many wrong decisions will go our way before the end of the season. If they do, we could yet be crowned champions in May. :)[/p][/quote]Regarding Point #2: in team sports, not just football, until the one team is willing to stand up to the other and give it back as good as they get, then the ref has no reason to act against the thug team. Why? They are more aggressive and will get into his face, causing him unwanted grief. If the other team does fight back, then the ref is immediately faced with losing control of the match and he must crack down. Now, I know that I'm just a know-nothing WUM from Pompey according to the happy-clappers, but you'll remember a fella by the name of Pochettino saying earlier in the season that his team are too nice and don't get the calls. Saints have got to learn on the training ground to get their shoulders in other guy's chests and under their chins. Learn to hurt the other buggers and they'll learn to respect you. Until then, you'll have no respect and no space. Rodriguez, for one, is playing a lot bigger this season and once he learns how to hurt defenders, he'll have more space. All those centre-halfs like to dish it out, but they whine like babies when it comes back at them, and it gets them off their games. Sport is a substitute for war, and the psychology of the battle is important. If Saints want the calls, they have to get meaner and tougher and give the ref a problem to solve. Until they do, Stoke, Sunderland, WH will always get the best of them (and, ya, with Saints talent, even a draw against those mugs is being bested). That's why Wanyama, poor passer, and Ward-Prowse, talented but unpolished, need to be on the pitch against those teams. They get stuck in. Wanyama is a little reckless and scares the tar out of other team's midfielders. Every team needs that in the middle, even if it means sacrificing some skill.[/p][/quote]I don't agree about refs. Rules is Rules! If a referee starts to give decisions for fear of grief then he's not fit for the job. I do agree about the psychology of the battle when coming up against more physical teams. As for the Pompey Wum thing, I think when your very first post sideswipes everyone with statements like 'know nothing about football' and 'happy clappers' in an attempt to invalidate any reply, you shouldnt be too surprised at the result. It was provocative. Had you just said your piece I think your reception would have been warmer. No disrespect, just saying. STID[/p][/quote]My point exactly...make a valid argument I will listen, call me names I get p1ssed off and hit back... SNPAMT (AKA Mental) has some good points, but spoils it with his get your attack in first approach...calm it Mr SANPAMentalT all opinions are valid. SnapperSaint
  • Score: 6

9:11pm Mon 24 Feb 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Broadening the debate beyond the offside for a moment, my gripe with Clutts on Saturday (and in other games for that matter) is twofold:

1. Like Webb, he seems to have a rather interesting interpretation of handball. Forget the 'none penalty' shown on MotD. That was never a penalty. I'd totally forgotten about it until it was shown again. Yet, there were 3 other important handballs he failed to give us (plus one on the half way line for Spam). One was shown on MotD when Downing made sure his hand stopped the ball going into the box - no foul, no booking apparently! A second was on the other side of the area when a Spam hand (Collins?) was above his head and stopped the ball - no foul apparently. However, before this (at the other end tbh) I thought there was a clear handball when Adam tried to cross and the ball was blocked. Adam didn't complain, but then he seemed to be under instruction to keep it shut all game - maybe a sort of silent protest.

2. His other 're-interpretation' seems to be about fouls. How the East End thugs were allowed to spend the whole match following through with studs, feet, arms etc. is beyond me. The yellow flag lino was hopeless. Early in the second half, he allowed Rickie to be mauled, then gave a foul the other way because Rickie had a slight hold of a shirt. Seconds later, someone (Noble?) put in a vicious over-the-ball tackle on Adam and that was fine - apparently. Adam didn't ONCE use his captain's privilege by speaking to the ref, but finally lost his cool near the end when he was again pushed, shoved and kicked off the ball, got nothing and tugged the opponent's shorts off - and got booked!

Unlike Horse (but I do take your point), I can understand linos struggling to get offsides 100% right and they shouldn't raise their flag if they have enough doubt. Alas, that unwritten rule wasn't applied to our cost when Jay netted against Sunderland at the start of the season.

How many 50-50s have we got this season? Maybe the penalty Pool didn't get.

If things even themselves out - and I simply don't buy that (especially when Clutts is in charge) - then someone write me a list and tell me how many wrong decisions will go our way before the end of the season. If they do, we could yet be crowned champions in May. :)
Stras, I`ve got no problem with officials getting decisions wrong, it happens we move on, well apart from clutterbrain, when did he get anything right?

my problem with this offside is that it was right in front of him, and the ball wasn't hit from the other end of the pitch, again knowing how hoof play the linesman should be ready and prepared for that sort of pass.

there were no obstructions blocking the linesman view and once shaw stepped up javis was clearly offside. again I stand by what I said with regard the linesman hearing when a ball is kicked, everyone whos ever been to a game has heard the ball being kicked so why shouldn't a linesman? he is well paid and extremely well trained to make simple calls, and with this one he got it terribly wrong.

we have had lots of offside calls go against us when they shouldn't, j-rod scoring and it being wiped out for a start. that was a close and hard call and I didn't mind that it was called wrong, as I said it happens. I get annoyed when they ant get even the most simple calls right. does a player have to be 2 yards offside for him to see it?
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Broadening the debate beyond the offside for a moment, my gripe with Clutts on Saturday (and in other games for that matter) is twofold: 1. Like Webb, he seems to have a rather interesting interpretation of handball. Forget the 'none penalty' shown on MotD. That was never a penalty. I'd totally forgotten about it until it was shown again. Yet, there were 3 other important handballs he failed to give us (plus one on the half way line for Spam). One was shown on MotD when Downing made sure his hand stopped the ball going into the box - no foul, no booking apparently! A second was on the other side of the area when a Spam hand (Collins?) was above his head and stopped the ball - no foul apparently. However, before this (at the other end tbh) I thought there was a clear handball when Adam tried to cross and the ball was blocked. Adam didn't complain, but then he seemed to be under instruction to keep it shut all game - maybe a sort of silent protest. 2. His other 're-interpretation' seems to be about fouls. How the East End thugs were allowed to spend the whole match following through with studs, feet, arms etc. is beyond me. The yellow flag lino was hopeless. Early in the second half, he allowed Rickie to be mauled, then gave a foul the other way because Rickie had a slight hold of a shirt. Seconds later, someone (Noble?) put in a vicious over-the-ball tackle on Adam and that was fine - apparently. Adam didn't ONCE use his captain's privilege by speaking to the ref, but finally lost his cool near the end when he was again pushed, shoved and kicked off the ball, got nothing and tugged the opponent's shorts off - and got booked! Unlike Horse (but I do take your point), I can understand linos struggling to get offsides 100% right and they shouldn't raise their flag if they have enough doubt. Alas, that unwritten rule wasn't applied to our cost when Jay netted against Sunderland at the start of the season. How many 50-50s have we got this season? Maybe the penalty Pool didn't get. If things even themselves out - and I simply don't buy that (especially when Clutts is in charge) - then someone write me a list and tell me how many wrong decisions will go our way before the end of the season. If they do, we could yet be crowned champions in May. :)[/p][/quote]Stras, I`ve got no problem with officials getting decisions wrong, it happens we move on, well apart from clutterbrain, when did he get anything right? my problem with this offside is that it was right in front of him, and the ball wasn't hit from the other end of the pitch, again knowing how hoof play the linesman should be ready and prepared for that sort of pass. there were no obstructions blocking the linesman view and once shaw stepped up javis was clearly offside. again I stand by what I said with regard the linesman hearing when a ball is kicked, everyone whos ever been to a game has heard the ball being kicked so why shouldn't a linesman? he is well paid and extremely well trained to make simple calls, and with this one he got it terribly wrong. we have had lots of offside calls go against us when they shouldn't, j-rod scoring and it being wiped out for a start. that was a close and hard call and I didn't mind that it was called wrong, as I said it happens. I get annoyed when they ant get even the most simple calls right. does a player have to be 2 yards offside for him to see it? el caballo santos101
  • Score: 5

9:15pm Mon 24 Feb 14

The Straight Shooter says...

Has he gone? As I was saying it's all very well to support the club but an element of realism is important to have. Otherwise we could pretend that we didn't lose Nicola, our record signing didn't run back to Italy, we weren't embarrassed by the Clattenburg fiasco, West Spam ( that play on words is classic) didn't slap us down, Chelsea and Man U aren't circling young Luke and we haven't appointed a Wayne Gretzky wannabe as a director.

I don't mean to be a downer guys. I'm just giving it to you straight.
Has he gone? As I was saying it's all very well to support the club but an element of realism is important to have. Otherwise we could pretend that we didn't lose Nicola, our record signing didn't run back to Italy, we weren't embarrassed by the Clattenburg fiasco, West Spam ( that play on words is classic) didn't slap us down, Chelsea and Man U aren't circling young Luke and we haven't appointed a Wayne Gretzky wannabe as a director. I don't mean to be a downer guys. I'm just giving it to you straight. The Straight Shooter
  • Score: -7

9:25pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Baddesley Bill says...

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
The Straight Shooter wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Broadening the debate beyond the offside for a moment, my gripe with Clutts on Saturday (and in other games for that matter) is twofold:

1. Like Webb, he seems to have a rather interesting interpretation of handball. Forget the 'none penalty' shown on MotD. That was never a penalty. I'd totally forgotten about it until it was shown again. Yet, there were 3 other important handballs he failed to give us (plus one on the half way line for Spam). One was shown on MotD when Downing made sure his hand stopped the ball going into the box - no foul, no booking apparently! A second was on the other side of the area when a Spam hand (Collins?) was above his head and stopped the ball - no foul apparently. However, before this (at the other end tbh) I thought there was a clear handball when Adam tried to cross and the ball was blocked. Adam didn't complain, but then he seemed to be under instruction to keep it shut all game - maybe a sort of silent protest.

2. His other 're-interpretation' seems to be about fouls. How the East End thugs were allowed to spend the whole match following through with studs, feet, arms etc. is beyond me. The yellow flag lino was hopeless. Early in the second half, he allowed Rickie to be mauled, then gave a foul the other way because Rickie had a slight hold of a shirt. Seconds later, someone (Noble?) put in a vicious over-the-ball tackle on Adam and that was fine - apparently. Adam didn't ONCE use his captain's privilege by speaking to the ref, but finally lost his cool near the end when he was again pushed, shoved and kicked off the ball, got nothing and tugged the opponent's shorts off - and got booked!

Unlike Horse (but I do take your point), I can understand linos struggling to get offsides 100% right and they shouldn't raise their flag if they have enough doubt. Alas, that unwritten rule wasn't applied to our cost when Jay netted against Sunderland at the start of the season.

How many 50-50s have we got this season? Maybe the penalty Pool didn't get.

If things even themselves out - and I simply don't buy that (especially when Clutts is in charge) - then someone write me a list and tell me how many wrong decisions will go our way before the end of the season. If they do, we could yet be crowned champions in May. :)
Regarding Point #2: in team sports, not just football, until the one team is willing to stand up to the other and give it back as good as they get, then the ref has no reason to act against the thug team. Why? They are more aggressive and will get into his face, causing him unwanted grief. If the other team does fight back, then the ref is immediately faced with losing control of the match and he must crack down. Now, I know that I'm just a know-nothing WUM from Pompey according to the happy-clappers, but you'll remember a fella by the name of Pochettino saying earlier in the season that his team are too nice and don't get the calls. Saints have got to learn on the training ground to get their shoulders in other guy's chests and under their chins. Learn to hurt the other buggers and they'll learn to respect you. Until then, you'll have no respect and no space. Rodriguez, for one, is playing a lot bigger this season and once he learns how to hurt defenders, he'll have more space. All those centre-halfs like to dish it out, but they whine like babies when it comes back at them, and it gets them off their games. Sport is a substitute for war, and the psychology of the battle is important. If Saints want the calls, they have to get meaner and tougher and give the ref a problem to solve. Until they do, Stoke, Sunderland, WH will always get the best of them (and, ya, with Saints talent, even a draw against those mugs is being bested). That's why Wanyama, poor passer, and Ward-Prowse, talented but unpolished, need to be on the pitch against those teams. They get stuck in. Wanyama is a little reckless and scares the tar out of other team's midfielders. Every team needs that in the middle, even if it means sacrificing some skill.
A good evaluation which I fear will fall on deaf ears. You see if you say anything which is negative but true, you are automatically a smelly fish from down the road. Don't say anything negative which might ruin the illusion that all is well with the club. Thems the rules!
Well from a personal point of view I'd say all is well within the club. Considering where we were three years ago our current position is nothing short of a miracle. OK so we lose occasionally. We are still evolving and that's going to happen. And yes we were stitched up by Osvaldo which has left us without options up front. Hardly the clubs fault when a player let's himself down and behaves like an amateur. Just to cheer you up though I wouldn't disagree that giving as good as we get should be the order of the day. When playing nasty bar stewards like the hoof I'd love to see them on the end of some really hard stuff. Bullys often disappear when they get back what they are dishing out.That's not quite as easy as it sounds though as our side is pretty young and green around the edges.
"young and green around the edges." Thanks. My point on these posts has been to show why and where further progress is needed, not to wind-up the happy-clappers and get their tears flowing. With regard to Fonte and Osvaldo, I know that none of us knows the real full story about what occurred. However, Fonte likes to dish it out in order to get any edge he can and survive in the Premier League, and good for him. But, if he's clogging his own strikers on the training ground, he should expect the odd punch in the head. Oh, don't get the vapours, you happy-clappers. Men will often throw a few punches and then forget the whole incident. On the day that it went public, I was worried that Saints, as a team, were not comfortable having a battler in the team. Other teams have bust-ups on the training ground and get on with it, so there is an issue here. Either Osvaldo's too much of a headcase or, and we must consider this, the other Saints are too delicate to put up with a training ground dust-up.
I get it now...so we want our team kicking the utter carp out of each other on the training pitch now...

....that should help with team building in the long run.

Please accept my apologies for suggesting you were a wum. It is obvious to me now that you have a valid opinion.....and head-butting teammates is actually an excellent training technique.

I know...let's built a cage fighting section at Staplewood....that'l
l do the trick! ;o)
[quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Straight Shooter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Broadening the debate beyond the offside for a moment, my gripe with Clutts on Saturday (and in other games for that matter) is twofold: 1. Like Webb, he seems to have a rather interesting interpretation of handball. Forget the 'none penalty' shown on MotD. That was never a penalty. I'd totally forgotten about it until it was shown again. Yet, there were 3 other important handballs he failed to give us (plus one on the half way line for Spam). One was shown on MotD when Downing made sure his hand stopped the ball going into the box - no foul, no booking apparently! A second was on the other side of the area when a Spam hand (Collins?) was above his head and stopped the ball - no foul apparently. However, before this (at the other end tbh) I thought there was a clear handball when Adam tried to cross and the ball was blocked. Adam didn't complain, but then he seemed to be under instruction to keep it shut all game - maybe a sort of silent protest. 2. His other 're-interpretation' seems to be about fouls. How the East End thugs were allowed to spend the whole match following through with studs, feet, arms etc. is beyond me. The yellow flag lino was hopeless. Early in the second half, he allowed Rickie to be mauled, then gave a foul the other way because Rickie had a slight hold of a shirt. Seconds later, someone (Noble?) put in a vicious over-the-ball tackle on Adam and that was fine - apparently. Adam didn't ONCE use his captain's privilege by speaking to the ref, but finally lost his cool near the end when he was again pushed, shoved and kicked off the ball, got nothing and tugged the opponent's shorts off - and got booked! Unlike Horse (but I do take your point), I can understand linos struggling to get offsides 100% right and they shouldn't raise their flag if they have enough doubt. Alas, that unwritten rule wasn't applied to our cost when Jay netted against Sunderland at the start of the season. How many 50-50s have we got this season? Maybe the penalty Pool didn't get. If things even themselves out - and I simply don't buy that (especially when Clutts is in charge) - then someone write me a list and tell me how many wrong decisions will go our way before the end of the season. If they do, we could yet be crowned champions in May. :)[/p][/quote]Regarding Point #2: in team sports, not just football, until the one team is willing to stand up to the other and give it back as good as they get, then the ref has no reason to act against the thug team. Why? They are more aggressive and will get into his face, causing him unwanted grief. If the other team does fight back, then the ref is immediately faced with losing control of the match and he must crack down. Now, I know that I'm just a know-nothing WUM from Pompey according to the happy-clappers, but you'll remember a fella by the name of Pochettino saying earlier in the season that his team are too nice and don't get the calls. Saints have got to learn on the training ground to get their shoulders in other guy's chests and under their chins. Learn to hurt the other buggers and they'll learn to respect you. Until then, you'll have no respect and no space. Rodriguez, for one, is playing a lot bigger this season and once he learns how to hurt defenders, he'll have more space. All those centre-halfs like to dish it out, but they whine like babies when it comes back at them, and it gets them off their games. Sport is a substitute for war, and the psychology of the battle is important. If Saints want the calls, they have to get meaner and tougher and give the ref a problem to solve. Until they do, Stoke, Sunderland, WH will always get the best of them (and, ya, with Saints talent, even a draw against those mugs is being bested). That's why Wanyama, poor passer, and Ward-Prowse, talented but unpolished, need to be on the pitch against those teams. They get stuck in. Wanyama is a little reckless and scares the tar out of other team's midfielders. Every team needs that in the middle, even if it means sacrificing some skill.[/p][/quote]A good evaluation which I fear will fall on deaf ears. You see if you say anything which is negative but true, you are automatically a smelly fish from down the road. Don't say anything negative which might ruin the illusion that all is well with the club. Thems the rules![/p][/quote]Well from a personal point of view I'd say all is well within the club. Considering where we were three years ago our current position is nothing short of a miracle. OK so we lose occasionally. We are still evolving and that's going to happen. And yes we were stitched up by Osvaldo which has left us without options up front. Hardly the clubs fault when a player let's himself down and behaves like an amateur. Just to cheer you up though I wouldn't disagree that giving as good as we get should be the order of the day. When playing nasty bar stewards like the hoof I'd love to see them on the end of some really hard stuff. Bullys often disappear when they get back what they are dishing out.That's not quite as easy as it sounds though as our side is pretty young and green around the edges.[/p][/quote]"young and green around the edges." Thanks. My point on these posts has been to show why and where further progress is needed, not to wind-up the happy-clappers and get their tears flowing. With regard to Fonte and Osvaldo, I know that none of us knows the real full story about what occurred. However, Fonte likes to dish it out in order to get any edge he can and survive in the Premier League, and good for him. But, if he's clogging his own strikers on the training ground, he should expect the odd punch in the head. Oh, don't get the vapours, you happy-clappers. Men will often throw a few punches and then forget the whole incident. On the day that it went public, I was worried that Saints, as a team, were not comfortable having a battler in the team. Other teams have bust-ups on the training ground and get on with it, so there is an issue here. Either Osvaldo's too much of a headcase or, and we must consider this, the other Saints are too delicate to put up with a training ground dust-up.[/p][/quote]I get it now...so we want our team kicking the utter carp out of each other on the training pitch now... ....that should help with team building in the long run. Please accept my apologies for suggesting you were a wum. It is obvious to me now that you have a valid opinion.....and head-butting teammates is actually an excellent training technique. I know...let's built a cage fighting section at Staplewood....that'l l do the trick! ;o) Baddesley Bill
  • Score: 8

9:33pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Baddesley Bill says...

The Straight Shooter wrote:
Has he gone? As I was saying it's all very well to support the club but an element of realism is important to have. Otherwise we could pretend that we didn't lose Nicola, our record signing didn't run back to Italy, we weren't embarrassed by the Clattenburg fiasco, West Spam ( that play on words is classic) didn't slap us down, Chelsea and Man U aren't circling young Luke and we haven't appointed a Wayne Gretzky wannabe as a director.

I don't mean to be a downer guys. I'm just giving it to you straight.
Thanks for that.

Can we assume that you have now stated your opinion on the matter and will not bang on with it over and over?

Otherwise, some might assume you are simply spending your evening on the wind up.
[quote][p][bold]The Straight Shooter[/bold] wrote: Has he gone? As I was saying it's all very well to support the club but an element of realism is important to have. Otherwise we could pretend that we didn't lose Nicola, our record signing didn't run back to Italy, we weren't embarrassed by the Clattenburg fiasco, West Spam ( that play on words is classic) didn't slap us down, Chelsea and Man U aren't circling young Luke and we haven't appointed a Wayne Gretzky wannabe as a director. I don't mean to be a downer guys. I'm just giving it to you straight.[/p][/quote]Thanks for that. Can we assume that you have now stated your opinion on the matter and will not bang on with it over and over? Otherwise, some might assume you are simply spending your evening on the wind up. Baddesley Bill
  • Score: 7

9:46pm Mon 24 Feb 14

angus mc coatup says...

The Straight Shooter wrote:
Has he gone? As I was saying it's all very well to support the club but an element of realism is important to have. Otherwise we could pretend that we didn't lose Nicola, our record signing didn't run back to Italy, we weren't embarrassed by the Clattenburg fiasco, West Spam ( that play on words is classic) didn't slap us down, Chelsea and Man U aren't circling young Luke and we haven't appointed a Wayne Gretzky wannabe as a director.

I don't mean to be a downer guys. I'm just giving it to you straight.
Stop it ! you're making me cry, the club is in meltdown HEEELLP !
Oh hang on we still have a mega rich owner, who has restructured the management. We got shot of a trouble maker under our terms, Embarrassed
by the Clattenberg fiasco is just your opinion I wasn't embarrassed at all. West ham won a hard fought game fair and square, Chelsea and Man u can circle all they want.........shaw's on a five year deal and said he's happy here that's good enough for me. And the last comment about the new director is just childish. So your not giving anything to us straight are you
[quote][p][bold]The Straight Shooter[/bold] wrote: Has he gone? As I was saying it's all very well to support the club but an element of realism is important to have. Otherwise we could pretend that we didn't lose Nicola, our record signing didn't run back to Italy, we weren't embarrassed by the Clattenburg fiasco, West Spam ( that play on words is classic) didn't slap us down, Chelsea and Man U aren't circling young Luke and we haven't appointed a Wayne Gretzky wannabe as a director. I don't mean to be a downer guys. I'm just giving it to you straight.[/p][/quote]Stop it ! you're making me cry, the club is in meltdown HEEELLP ! Oh hang on we still have a mega rich owner, who has restructured the management. We got shot of a trouble maker under our terms, Embarrassed by the Clattenberg fiasco is just your opinion I wasn't embarrassed at all. West ham won a hard fought game fair and square, Chelsea and Man u can circle all they want.........shaw's on a five year deal and said he's happy here that's good enough for me. And the last comment about the new director is just childish. So your not giving anything to us straight are you angus mc coatup
  • Score: 4

9:58pm Mon 24 Feb 14

el caballo santos101 says...

why is it people chose `provocative` login names?
why is it the when people post provocative or overtly negative posts they try to quantify it by saying stuff like `its the truth` or claim to know more than everyone else?
why is it that people post these negative and provocative posts they try to belittle other regular posters by calling them `happy clappers`?
why is it that when people post false facts that they cant `back up` they take offence when others prove them wrong?
why is it that every time we lose a game MP or the players suddenly become `found out`? people were saying MP was `found out` at the end of last season, so why wasn't he `found out` earlier this season?
where are all the posters who know whats wrong with the management and players and style of football when we win?
why were we not found out earlier in the season when we were 3rd after teams had all summer to work out how we play?
why has osprey disappeared and has come back as babba something? welcome back mate ;0)
just because you say something over and over and over again doesn't make it right! just ask my other half!
why is it people chose `provocative` login names? why is it the when people post provocative or overtly negative posts they try to quantify it by saying stuff like `its the truth` or claim to know more than everyone else? why is it that people post these negative and provocative posts they try to belittle other regular posters by calling them `happy clappers`? why is it that when people post false facts that they cant `back up` they take offence when others prove them wrong? why is it that every time we lose a game MP or the players suddenly become `found out`? people were saying MP was `found out` at the end of last season, so why wasn't he `found out` earlier this season? where are all the posters who know whats wrong with the management and players and style of football when we win? why were we not found out earlier in the season when we were 3rd after teams had all summer to work out how we play? why has osprey disappeared and has come back as babba something? welcome back mate ;0) just because you say something over and over and over again doesn't make it right! just ask my other half! el caballo santos101
  • Score: 7

10:08pm Mon 24 Feb 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

why has osprey disappeared and has come back as babba something? welcome back mate ;0)

I am still observing, whoever that is, it's not me.
Glad we haven't got to go to Hull and back. I will possibly return to annoy you soon, perhaps, but not yet.
why has osprey disappeared and has come back as babba something? welcome back mate ;0) I am still observing, whoever that is, it's not me. Glad we haven't got to go to Hull and back. I will possibly return to annoy you soon, perhaps, but not yet. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

10:18pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Velleity says...

When the noisiest person on this thread started out his posting career by saying Lallana is not good enough for this division, I'm afraid all credibility went out of the window. Either that or Roy along with the dozens of pundits suggesting that Adam's pretty much a shoo-in for Brazil are all wrong.

There are things we could be doing better; there are things we need to improve (In the summer we badly need the player we were hoping Dani would be) but, all in all, is anyone genuinely unhappy with where we are? Really?

If supporting the team that's on the pitch makes you one then I'm a happy clapper and proud of it.
When the noisiest person on this thread started out his posting career by saying Lallana is not good enough for this division, I'm afraid all credibility went out of the window. Either that or Roy along with the dozens of pundits suggesting that Adam's pretty much a shoo-in for Brazil are all wrong. There are things we could be doing better; there are things we need to improve (In the summer we badly need the player we were hoping Dani would be) but, all in all, is anyone genuinely unhappy with where we are? Really? If supporting the team that's on the pitch makes you one then I'm a happy clapper and proud of it. Velleity
  • Score: 6

10:22pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Clever Dick says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
why is it people chose `provocative` login names?
why is it the when people post provocative or overtly negative posts they try to quantify it by saying stuff like `its the truth` or claim to know more than everyone else?
why is it that people post these negative and provocative posts they try to belittle other regular posters by calling them `happy clappers`?
why is it that when people post false facts that they cant `back up` they take offence when others prove them wrong?
why is it that every time we lose a game MP or the players suddenly become `found out`? people were saying MP was `found out` at the end of last season, so why wasn't he `found out` earlier this season?
where are all the posters who know whats wrong with the management and players and style of football when we win?
why were we not found out earlier in the season when we were 3rd after teams had all summer to work out how we play?
why has osprey disappeared and has come back as babba something? welcome back mate ;0)
just because you say something over and over and over again doesn't make it right! just ask my other half!
Don't know
Don't know
Don't know
Don't know
Don't know
Don't know
Don't know
Don't know
Don't know
Well I think that's answered all your questions
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: why is it people chose `provocative` login names? why is it the when people post provocative or overtly negative posts they try to quantify it by saying stuff like `its the truth` or claim to know more than everyone else? why is it that people post these negative and provocative posts they try to belittle other regular posters by calling them `happy clappers`? why is it that when people post false facts that they cant `back up` they take offence when others prove them wrong? why is it that every time we lose a game MP or the players suddenly become `found out`? people were saying MP was `found out` at the end of last season, so why wasn't he `found out` earlier this season? where are all the posters who know whats wrong with the management and players and style of football when we win? why were we not found out earlier in the season when we were 3rd after teams had all summer to work out how we play? why has osprey disappeared and has come back as babba something? welcome back mate ;0) just because you say something over and over and over again doesn't make it right! just ask my other half![/p][/quote]Don't know Don't know Don't know Don't know Don't know Don't know Don't know Don't know Don't know Well I think that's answered all your questions Clever Dick
  • Score: 5

10:24pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
The Straight Shooter wrote:
Has he gone? As I was saying it's all very well to support the club but an element of realism is important to have. Otherwise we could pretend that we didn't lose Nicola, our record signing didn't run back to Italy, we weren't embarrassed by the Clattenburg fiasco, West Spam ( that play on words is classic) didn't slap us down, Chelsea and Man U aren't circling young Luke and we haven't appointed a Wayne Gretzky wannabe as a director.

I don't mean to be a downer guys. I'm just giving it to you straight.
Thanks for that.

Can we assume that you have now stated your opinion on the matter and will not bang on with it over and over?

Otherwise, some might assume you are simply spending your evening on the wind up.
We all know who it is Bill...the "Ya" gives it away.
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Straight Shooter[/bold] wrote: Has he gone? As I was saying it's all very well to support the club but an element of realism is important to have. Otherwise we could pretend that we didn't lose Nicola, our record signing didn't run back to Italy, we weren't embarrassed by the Clattenburg fiasco, West Spam ( that play on words is classic) didn't slap us down, Chelsea and Man U aren't circling young Luke and we haven't appointed a Wayne Gretzky wannabe as a director. I don't mean to be a downer guys. I'm just giving it to you straight.[/p][/quote]Thanks for that. Can we assume that you have now stated your opinion on the matter and will not bang on with it over and over? Otherwise, some might assume you are simply spending your evening on the wind up.[/p][/quote]We all know who it is Bill...the "Ya" gives it away. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 5

10:27pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
why has osprey disappeared and has come back as babba something? welcome back mate ;0)

I am still observing, whoever that is, it's not me.
Glad we haven't got to go to Hull and back. I will possibly return to annoy you soon, perhaps, but not yet.
I'm confused now (even more than confucious) but if that's Osprey the original, welcome back ........ eventually!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: why has osprey disappeared and has come back as babba something? welcome back mate ;0) I am still observing, whoever that is, it's not me. Glad we haven't got to go to Hull and back. I will possibly return to annoy you soon, perhaps, but not yet.[/p][/quote]I'm confused now (even more than confucious) but if that's Osprey the original, welcome back ........ eventually! Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 1

10:28pm Mon 24 Feb 14

angus mc coatup says...

Velleity wrote:
When the noisiest person on this thread started out his posting career by saying Lallana is not good enough for this division, I'm afraid all credibility went out of the window. Either that or Roy along with the dozens of pundits suggesting that Adam's pretty much a shoo-in for Brazil are all wrong.

There are things we could be doing better; there are things we need to improve (In the summer we badly need the player we were hoping Dani would be) but, all in all, is anyone genuinely unhappy with where we are? Really?

If supporting the team that's on the pitch makes you one then I'm a happy clapper and proud of it.
No complaints from me mate, the team will evolve and get better over time. And by strange coincidence, I'm a happy clapper as well in fact I'm a very very happy clapper......
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: When the noisiest person on this thread started out his posting career by saying Lallana is not good enough for this division, I'm afraid all credibility went out of the window. Either that or Roy along with the dozens of pundits suggesting that Adam's pretty much a shoo-in for Brazil are all wrong. There are things we could be doing better; there are things we need to improve (In the summer we badly need the player we were hoping Dani would be) but, all in all, is anyone genuinely unhappy with where we are? Really? If supporting the team that's on the pitch makes you one then I'm a happy clapper and proud of it.[/p][/quote]No complaints from me mate, the team will evolve and get better over time. And by strange coincidence, I'm a happy clapper as well in fact I'm a very very happy clapper...... angus mc coatup
  • Score: 3

10:36pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
why is it people chose `provocative` login names?
why is it the when people post provocative or overtly negative posts they try to quantify it by saying stuff like `its the truth` or claim to know more than everyone else?
why is it that people post these negative and provocative posts they try to belittle other regular posters by calling them `happy clappers`?
why is it that when people post false facts that they cant `back up` they take offence when others prove them wrong?
why is it that every time we lose a game MP or the players suddenly become `found out`? people were saying MP was `found out` at the end of last season, so why wasn't he `found out` earlier this season?
where are all the posters who know whats wrong with the management and players and style of football when we win?
why were we not found out earlier in the season when we were 3rd after teams had all summer to work out how we play?
why has osprey disappeared and has come back as babba something? welcome back mate ;0)
just because you say something over and over and over again doesn't make it right! just ask my other half!
More of life's great mysteries, 101, right up there with 'why do fools fall in love', 'where have all the flowers gone' and 'the city of Portsmouth: why?'
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: why is it people chose `provocative` login names? why is it the when people post provocative or overtly negative posts they try to quantify it by saying stuff like `its the truth` or claim to know more than everyone else? why is it that people post these negative and provocative posts they try to belittle other regular posters by calling them `happy clappers`? why is it that when people post false facts that they cant `back up` they take offence when others prove them wrong? why is it that every time we lose a game MP or the players suddenly become `found out`? people were saying MP was `found out` at the end of last season, so why wasn't he `found out` earlier this season? where are all the posters who know whats wrong with the management and players and style of football when we win? why were we not found out earlier in the season when we were 3rd after teams had all summer to work out how we play? why has osprey disappeared and has come back as babba something? welcome back mate ;0) just because you say something over and over and over again doesn't make it right! just ask my other half![/p][/quote]More of life's great mysteries, 101, right up there with 'why do fools fall in love', 'where have all the flowers gone' and 'the city of Portsmouth: why?' Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 5

10:49pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Baddesley Bill says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
The Straight Shooter wrote:
Has he gone? As I was saying it's all very well to support the club but an element of realism is important to have. Otherwise we could pretend that we didn't lose Nicola, our record signing didn't run back to Italy, we weren't embarrassed by the Clattenburg fiasco, West Spam ( that play on words is classic) didn't slap us down, Chelsea and Man U aren't circling young Luke and we haven't appointed a Wayne Gretzky wannabe as a director.

I don't mean to be a downer guys. I'm just giving it to you straight.
Thanks for that.

Can we assume that you have now stated your opinion on the matter and will not bang on with it over and over?

Otherwise, some might assume you are simply spending your evening on the wind up.
We all know who it is Bill...the "Ya" gives it away.
I know. Bless his cottons....he can never stay away for long.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Straight Shooter[/bold] wrote: Has he gone? As I was saying it's all very well to support the club but an element of realism is important to have. Otherwise we could pretend that we didn't lose Nicola, our record signing didn't run back to Italy, we weren't embarrassed by the Clattenburg fiasco, West Spam ( that play on words is classic) didn't slap us down, Chelsea and Man U aren't circling young Luke and we haven't appointed a Wayne Gretzky wannabe as a director. I don't mean to be a downer guys. I'm just giving it to you straight.[/p][/quote]Thanks for that. Can we assume that you have now stated your opinion on the matter and will not bang on with it over and over? Otherwise, some might assume you are simply spending your evening on the wind up.[/p][/quote]We all know who it is Bill...the "Ya" gives it away.[/p][/quote]I know. Bless his cottons....he can never stay away for long. Baddesley Bill
  • Score: 3

10:53pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

It is perfectly acceptable for posters to point out our failings and their opinions as to what we need to do to improve. Unless you win every single game there is always room for improvement.

What separates the skates and wums is the language and tone used. If it is full of hatred and bile against a team they supposedly love, then they obviously don't, and therefore are sussed instantly.
It is perfectly acceptable for posters to point out our failings and their opinions as to what we need to do to improve. Unless you win every single game there is always room for improvement. What separates the skates and wums is the language and tone used. If it is full of hatred and bile against a team they supposedly love, then they obviously don't, and therefore are sussed instantly. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 5

10:55pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
The Straight Shooter wrote:
Has he gone? As I was saying it's all very well to support the club but an element of realism is important to have. Otherwise we could pretend that we didn't lose Nicola, our record signing didn't run back to Italy, we weren't embarrassed by the Clattenburg fiasco, West Spam ( that play on words is classic) didn't slap us down, Chelsea and Man U aren't circling young Luke and we haven't appointed a Wayne Gretzky wannabe as a director.

I don't mean to be a downer guys. I'm just giving it to you straight.
Thanks for that.

Can we assume that you have now stated your opinion on the matter and will not bang on with it over and over?

Otherwise, some might assume you are simply spending your evening on the wind up.
We all know who it is Bill...the "Ya" gives it away.
I know. Bless his cottons....he can never stay away for long.
Fortunately, he goes to bed early.
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Straight Shooter[/bold] wrote: Has he gone? As I was saying it's all very well to support the club but an element of realism is important to have. Otherwise we could pretend that we didn't lose Nicola, our record signing didn't run back to Italy, we weren't embarrassed by the Clattenburg fiasco, West Spam ( that play on words is classic) didn't slap us down, Chelsea and Man U aren't circling young Luke and we haven't appointed a Wayne Gretzky wannabe as a director. I don't mean to be a downer guys. I'm just giving it to you straight.[/p][/quote]Thanks for that. Can we assume that you have now stated your opinion on the matter and will not bang on with it over and over? Otherwise, some might assume you are simply spending your evening on the wind up.[/p][/quote]We all know who it is Bill...the "Ya" gives it away.[/p][/quote]I know. Bless his cottons....he can never stay away for long.[/p][/quote]Fortunately, he goes to bed early. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 6

10:59pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Baddesley Bill says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
It is perfectly acceptable for posters to point out our failings and their opinions as to what we need to do to improve. Unless you win every single game there is always room for improvement.

What separates the skates and wums is the language and tone used. If it is full of hatred and bile against a team they supposedly love, then they obviously don't, and therefore are sussed instantly.
Blooming eck Seed....stop educating them. It is their pure stupidity that gives them away. Perhaps Blue ain't so deluded after all....at least he doesn't pretend to be something he isn't!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: It is perfectly acceptable for posters to point out our failings and their opinions as to what we need to do to improve. Unless you win every single game there is always room for improvement. What separates the skates and wums is the language and tone used. If it is full of hatred and bile against a team they supposedly love, then they obviously don't, and therefore are sussed instantly.[/p][/quote]Blooming eck Seed....stop educating them. It is their pure stupidity that gives them away. Perhaps Blue ain't so deluded after all....at least he doesn't pretend to be something he isn't! Baddesley Bill
  • Score: 6

11:16pm Mon 24 Feb 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
It is perfectly acceptable for posters to point out our failings and their opinions as to what we need to do to improve. Unless you win every single game there is always room for improvement.

What separates the skates and wums is the language and tone used. If it is full of hatred and bile against a team they supposedly love, then they obviously don't, and therefore are sussed instantly.
Blooming eck Seed....stop educating them. It is their pure stupidity that gives them away. Perhaps Blue ain't so deluded after all....at least he doesn't pretend to be something he isn't!
well a kind of respect bluedeadinthehead and pis poor form. they are honest about who they support and even though they know they are going to get the abuse they so deserve, they keep coming back to fight their corner. you have to give them credit for trying.
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: It is perfectly acceptable for posters to point out our failings and their opinions as to what we need to do to improve. Unless you win every single game there is always room for improvement. What separates the skates and wums is the language and tone used. If it is full of hatred and bile against a team they supposedly love, then they obviously don't, and therefore are sussed instantly.[/p][/quote]Blooming eck Seed....stop educating them. It is their pure stupidity that gives them away. Perhaps Blue ain't so deluded after all....at least he doesn't pretend to be something he isn't![/p][/quote]well a kind of respect bluedeadinthehead and pis poor form. they are honest about who they support and even though they know they are going to get the abuse they so deserve, they keep coming back to fight their corner. you have to give them credit for trying. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 0

11:18pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
It is perfectly acceptable for posters to point out our failings and their opinions as to what we need to do to improve. Unless you win every single game there is always room for improvement.

What separates the skates and wums is the language and tone used. If it is full of hatred and bile against a team they supposedly love, then they obviously don't, and therefore are sussed instantly.
Blooming eck Seed....stop educating them. It is their pure stupidity that gives them away. Perhaps Blue ain't so deluded after all....at least he doesn't pretend to be something he isn't!
There's one!
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: It is perfectly acceptable for posters to point out our failings and their opinions as to what we need to do to improve. Unless you win every single game there is always room for improvement. What separates the skates and wums is the language and tone used. If it is full of hatred and bile against a team they supposedly love, then they obviously don't, and therefore are sussed instantly.[/p][/quote]Blooming eck Seed....stop educating them. It is their pure stupidity that gives them away. Perhaps Blue ain't so deluded after all....at least he doesn't pretend to be something he isn't![/p][/quote]There's one! Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 1

11:25pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Next Monday the skates are live on Sky Sports One away to top of the league Chesterfield. I will be on Ascension but will be VPNing in to watch on Sky Go. It will be very very funny.

Tomorrow Beattie has the chance to take three points at 'Fortress Fratton'.

It's all good.

WTFILN?
Next Monday the skates are live on Sky Sports One away to top of the league Chesterfield. I will be on Ascension but will be VPNing in to watch on Sky Go. It will be very very funny. Tomorrow Beattie has the chance to take three points at 'Fortress Fratton'. It's all good. WTFILN? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 6

11:26pm Mon 24 Feb 14

el caballo santos101 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
why has osprey disappeared and has come back as babba something? welcome back mate ;0)

I am still observing, whoever that is, it's not me.
Glad we haven't got to go to Hull and back. I will possibly return to annoy you soon, perhaps, but not yet.
well sorry if I offended you osprey or baba ganoush (sorry still think I got it wrong but I will learn it). you do both sound alike though.

osprey in all seriousness you don't annoy me at all, in fact as I said to some one who gloated about you stopping, I may not always agree with you and you can be a bit, well you know ospreyish, but that's ok because for the most part you are quite witty and well informed.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: why has osprey disappeared and has come back as babba something? welcome back mate ;0) I am still observing, whoever that is, it's not me. Glad we haven't got to go to Hull and back. I will possibly return to annoy you soon, perhaps, but not yet.[/p][/quote]well sorry if I offended you osprey or baba ganoush (sorry still think I got it wrong but I will learn it). you do both sound alike though. osprey in all seriousness you don't annoy me at all, in fact as I said to some one who gloated about you stopping, I may not always agree with you and you can be a bit, well you know ospreyish, but that's ok because for the most part you are quite witty and well informed. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 2

11:32pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
why has osprey disappeared and has come back as babba something? welcome back mate ;0)

I am still observing, whoever that is, it's not me.
Glad we haven't got to go to Hull and back. I will possibly return to annoy you soon, perhaps, but not yet.
well sorry if I offended you osprey or baba ganoush (sorry still think I got it wrong but I will learn it). you do both sound alike though.

osprey in all seriousness you don't annoy me at all, in fact as I said to some one who gloated about you stopping, I may not always agree with you and you can be a bit, well you know ospreyish, but that's ok because for the most part you are quite witty and well informed.
.... and he doesn't take himself too seriously. Most of it is self-confessed winding up. It may annoy some but he's a genuine fan like the rest of us on here (well, excluding the WUMs and skates, of course).
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: why has osprey disappeared and has come back as babba something? welcome back mate ;0) I am still observing, whoever that is, it's not me. Glad we haven't got to go to Hull and back. I will possibly return to annoy you soon, perhaps, but not yet.[/p][/quote]well sorry if I offended you osprey or baba ganoush (sorry still think I got it wrong but I will learn it). you do both sound alike though. osprey in all seriousness you don't annoy me at all, in fact as I said to some one who gloated about you stopping, I may not always agree with you and you can be a bit, well you know ospreyish, but that's ok because for the most part you are quite witty and well informed.[/p][/quote].... and he doesn't take himself too seriously. Most of it is self-confessed winding up. It may annoy some but he's a genuine fan like the rest of us on here (well, excluding the WUMs and skates, of course). Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 2

4:36am Tue 25 Feb 14

Rising_Son says...

The Straight Shooter wrote:
"As I was saying it's all very well to support the club but an element of realism is important to have." I'm a happy clapper because I am a realist. I know where we are. I know where we have been and how we got here. I know our strengths and our weaknesses. Of course, unlike you, I also know that I don't know where we are going or how soon we will get there, but I am optimistic because over the last few years my optimism has been a lot closer to reality than the "reality" of doomers and gloomers like you.
The Straight Shooter wrote: "As I was saying it's all very well to support the club but an element of realism is important to have." I'm a happy clapper because I am a realist. I know where we are. I know where we have been and how we got here. I know our strengths and our weaknesses. Of course, unlike you, I also know that I don't know where we are going or how soon we will get there, but I am optimistic because over the last few years my optimism has been a lot closer to reality than the "reality" of doomers and gloomers like you. Rising_Son
  • Score: 1

4:40am Tue 25 Feb 14

Rising_Son says...

Oh, I forgot. Welcome back Osprey. I'm looking forward to hearing more from you.
Oh, I forgot. Welcome back Osprey. I'm looking forward to hearing more from you. Rising_Son
  • Score: 0

9:35am Tue 25 Feb 14

Clever Dick says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Oh, I forgot. Welcome back Osprey. I'm looking forward to hearing more from you.
Yeah Welcum back from mee to. Just testing too sea if yore spel chekkin haz gott rustie.:-)
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: Oh, I forgot. Welcome back Osprey. I'm looking forward to hearing more from you.[/p][/quote]Yeah Welcum back from mee to. Just testing too sea if yore spel chekkin haz gott rustie.:-) Clever Dick
  • Score: 0

10:21am Tue 25 Feb 14

Jesus_02 says...

Malcombe wrote:
When I Refereed in the 90s if I had Officials or Club Linesmen I would expect them to raise the Flag if a Player is offside because I could not see if the attacking Player is between the last opposing Player and the Goal Keeper unless it was very obvious. In Pro Football a Linesman/Assistant is of course a qualified Referee and the job is concentrate 100% and stay in line with the last Defender however one second lapse of concentration known as Ball watching a mistake can be costly. An Assistants job is as important as the Referee, all the Officials are assessed in every game and the Referee has total responsibility on the Pitch but not every decision because it's impossible, if an Assistant makes a mistake re offside the Referee cannot be to blame as he or she is usually metres behind the attacking Player and the last Defender, I have seen many games when the Goal Keeper is 1 or more metres out of the Penalty area when he releases a fly kick but I've never seen an Assistant flag up for handball yet the job of the Assistant is keep an eye on the Keeper with Goal kicks and Fly kicks. As everyone knows who love Football it's never easy being a Referee or Assistant and nobody is infallible but it's not nice if a goal is scored then on a TV replay proved to be offside, nobody would complain if it counted for there Team, when I watch games I'm not totally bias for Referees and have often shouted at the TV come on Ref what was that for etc, most Referees in Pro Football are good and if they were not they would not Referee any Pro game.
Personally think that Linesmen should have stayed as Lineman. Becoming assistant refs caused a bit too much confusion, especially with the over complication of the offside rule with regard to phases, active and inactive player ect....Rule changes like that set refs and assistants up for a fall
[quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: When I Refereed in the 90s if I had Officials or Club Linesmen I would expect them to raise the Flag if a Player is offside because I could not see if the attacking Player is between the last opposing Player and the Goal Keeper unless it was very obvious. In Pro Football a Linesman/Assistant is of course a qualified Referee and the job is concentrate 100% and stay in line with the last Defender however one second lapse of concentration known as Ball watching a mistake can be costly. An Assistants job is as important as the Referee, all the Officials are assessed in every game and the Referee has total responsibility on the Pitch but not every decision because it's impossible, if an Assistant makes a mistake re offside the Referee cannot be to blame as he or she is usually metres behind the attacking Player and the last Defender, I have seen many games when the Goal Keeper is 1 or more metres out of the Penalty area when he releases a fly kick but I've never seen an Assistant flag up for handball yet the job of the Assistant is keep an eye on the Keeper with Goal kicks and Fly kicks. As everyone knows who love Football it's never easy being a Referee or Assistant and nobody is infallible but it's not nice if a goal is scored then on a TV replay proved to be offside, nobody would complain if it counted for there Team, when I watch games I'm not totally bias for Referees and have often shouted at the TV come on Ref what was that for etc, most Referees in Pro Football are good and if they were not they would not Referee any Pro game.[/p][/quote]Personally think that Linesmen should have stayed as Lineman. Becoming assistant refs caused a bit too much confusion, especially with the over complication of the offside rule with regard to phases, active and inactive player ect....Rule changes like that set refs and assistants up for a fall Jesus_02
  • Score: 1

10:54am Tue 25 Feb 14

RonSlater says...

My god with some of the whingeing on here Saints fans are starting to sound like certain other club's fans who never accept any fault. It's almost embarrassing.

First up, we're having a marvelous season. We are comfortably better than eleven other teams in the EPL which is a huge step forward from last season.

Secondly, that offside decision was marginal. Yes it was offside but it was very tight. Anyone who says it wasn't is quite simply wrong.

Thirdly, we dominated a game against a side who don't exactly have a rich array of attacking talent and yet let them score three goals. Much of our current set up is top half EPL. However our defensive cover is not (Yoshi is a decent player but a weak link nonetheless). A straight ball over the top and two secondary plays from crosses is not a good way to concede three goals.

Fourthly, three goals from open play is not enough from the main striker of a side trying to make an impact in the top half of the EPL. Osvaldo was lambasted for stats that weren't as bad so SRL shouldnt be protected based on his past record. We need to hope we can sell Osvaldo for a decent amount in the summer and try to find another top notch striker. Ultimately if you look at Aguero, Suarez, Hazard, Giroud, Adebayor, Lukaku, RVP, Remy, Lambert....there's little doubt who is the weakest in that list of main attacking threats from the current top nine.

With a new striker and another Lovren, plus the inevitable continued improvement of a lot of our younger players I think we can make further leaps forward in 2014/2015
My god with some of the whingeing on here Saints fans are starting to sound like certain other club's fans who never accept any fault. It's almost embarrassing. First up, we're having a marvelous season. We are comfortably better than eleven other teams in the EPL which is a huge step forward from last season. Secondly, that offside decision was marginal. Yes it was offside but it was very tight. Anyone who says it wasn't is quite simply wrong. Thirdly, we dominated a game against a side who don't exactly have a rich array of attacking talent and yet let them score three goals. Much of our current set up is top half EPL. However our defensive cover is not (Yoshi is a decent player but a weak link nonetheless). A straight ball over the top and two secondary plays from crosses is not a good way to concede three goals. Fourthly, three goals from open play is not enough from the main striker of a side trying to make an impact in the top half of the EPL. Osvaldo was lambasted for stats that weren't as bad so SRL shouldnt be protected based on his past record. We need to hope we can sell Osvaldo for a decent amount in the summer and try to find another top notch striker. Ultimately if you look at Aguero, Suarez, Hazard, Giroud, Adebayor, Lukaku, RVP, Remy, Lambert....there's little doubt who is the weakest in that list of main attacking threats from the current top nine. With a new striker and another Lovren, plus the inevitable continued improvement of a lot of our younger players I think we can make further leaps forward in 2014/2015 RonSlater
  • Score: 0

11:47am Tue 25 Feb 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
why has osprey disappeared and has come back as babba something? welcome back mate ;0)

I am still observing, whoever that is, it's not me.
Glad we haven't got to go to Hull and back. I will possibly return to annoy you soon, perhaps, but not yet.
well sorry if I offended you osprey or baba ganoush (sorry still think I got it wrong but I will learn it). you do both sound alike though.

osprey in all seriousness you don't annoy me at all, in fact as I said to some one who gloated about you stopping, I may not always agree with you and you can be a bit, well you know ospreyish, but that's ok because for the most part you are quite witty and well informed.
Thanks, at least you didn't think I was "Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness", that would have upset me, big time. I note my absence didn't improve the input to the site! Anyway I am a teaser, not a WUM, and I am not on here to attention seek, just to have some banter, as you know I don't like posters that use the site to be abusive, and I will continue to pick on any that do, no matter how amusing it purports to be. "Thumbs down" all you like it won't make any difference, if it makes you feel better that's OK by me, at least I will have been useful for once.

"ospreyish"? I kind of like that.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: why has osprey disappeared and has come back as babba something? welcome back mate ;0) I am still observing, whoever that is, it's not me. Glad we haven't got to go to Hull and back. I will possibly return to annoy you soon, perhaps, but not yet.[/p][/quote]well sorry if I offended you osprey or baba ganoush (sorry still think I got it wrong but I will learn it). you do both sound alike though. osprey in all seriousness you don't annoy me at all, in fact as I said to some one who gloated about you stopping, I may not always agree with you and you can be a bit, well you know ospreyish, but that's ok because for the most part you are quite witty and well informed.[/p][/quote]Thanks, at least you didn't think I was "Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness", that would have upset me, big time. I note my absence didn't improve the input to the site! Anyway I am a teaser, not a WUM, and I am not on here to attention seek, just to have some banter, as you know I don't like posters that use the site to be abusive, and I will continue to pick on any that do, no matter how amusing it purports to be. "Thumbs down" all you like it won't make any difference, if it makes you feel better that's OK by me, at least I will have been useful for once. "ospreyish"? I kind of like that. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -4

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