Saints fans furious with Pochettino after FA Cup exit

Basingstoke Gazette: MAURICIO POCHETTINO MAURICIO POCHETTINO

MAURICIO Pochettino stands accused of showing the FA Cup a lack of respect – by some of his own supporters!

Much-changed Saints turned in a below-par performance to lose 1-0 at Sunderland in a fifth round tie at the weekend.

Pochettino left out regulars such as Artur Boruc, Jose Fonte, Jack Cork, Morgan Schneiderlin and top scorer Jay Rodriguez.

Sections of the Saints fanbase were furious with Pochettino’s actions, given the club are totally free of any relegation worries.

The Daily Echo’s website was inundated with postings from fans upset at the meek way Saints exited the competition when a win would have left them 90 minutes from a Wembley semi final.

Pochettino himself did not face the media after the 1-0 defeat, instead leaving assistant Jesus Perez to answer questions.

Writing on the Echo’s website, Abbey Saint said: “This was NOT Saints strongest side, and to say he (Perez) was just a ‘little sad’ to be knocked out of THE FA CUP at this late stage when we have nothing else to play for this season (Poch has already said the Europa League is not useful) disrespects the FA Cup, the travelling fans and the Saints history.”

Right back in the bar said: “Whatever the management believe, this was a massive game for us fans and to select a weakened team without form players in the starting lineup was a disgrace - unfathomable when there was a 1/4 final at stake. What a waste.”

St Christopher added: “Appalling display and a totally unneccesary result that all began with the team selection that effectively said to everyone (including the players) we were either that not interested or had become so big-headed that we didn't need our best team.

“Either way it wasn't MoPo’s finest hour and does raise legitimate questions over certain aspects of his managerial credentials.”

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6:40am Mon 17 Feb 14

saint61 says...

If we consider this a mistake, maybe just a misjudgement. Then it's the first one he's made.
So DE stop trying to make a major story and once again stop being so negative and start supporting the Saints. They then may welcome you back.

YOU ARE NOT THE VOICE OF THE FANS !
If we consider this a mistake, maybe just a misjudgement. Then it's the first one he's made. So DE stop trying to make a major story and once again stop being so negative and start supporting the Saints. They then may welcome you back. YOU ARE NOT THE VOICE OF THE FANS ! saint61

7:01am Mon 17 Feb 14

bigfella777 says...

This is a joke they lost 1~0 get over it .
This is a joke they lost 1~0 get over it . bigfella777

7:07am Mon 17 Feb 14

willygetaway says...

saint61 wrote:
If we consider this a mistake, maybe just a misjudgement. Then it's the first one he's made.
So DE stop trying to make a major story and once again stop being so negative and start supporting the Saints. They then may welcome you back.

YOU ARE NOT THE VOICE OF THE FANS !
i totally agree, whilst not happy with the way we played at Sunderland, in the general scheme of things i,m more than happy with Mopo. who remembers are display against Arsenal? or are our memory's that short. ? i for one would like the man to stay and finish the job that he has started.or should we takje on the DE s point of view and hound out the best manager we have had in years ? i am sure that the are more than a few skunts on the DE staff up yours DE COYR saints till i die and bring on the hoffers
[quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: If we consider this a mistake, maybe just a misjudgement. Then it's the first one he's made. So DE stop trying to make a major story and once again stop being so negative and start supporting the Saints. They then may welcome you back. YOU ARE NOT THE VOICE OF THE FANS ![/p][/quote]i totally agree, whilst not happy with the way we played at Sunderland, in the general scheme of things i,m more than happy with Mopo. who remembers are display against Arsenal? or are our memory's that short. ? i for one would like the man to stay and finish the job that he has started.or should we takje on the DE s point of view and hound out the best manager we have had in years ? i am sure that the are more than a few skunts on the DE staff up yours DE COYR saints till i die and bring on the hoffers willygetaway

7:11am Mon 17 Feb 14

Tony in Liberia says...

Ok, let's get some perspective here.

We would probably all agree that Guly had his worst 45 minutes for us, and probably shouldn't have been in the team.

Other than that, this wasn't a team that disrespected the cup. Up front, we had Llalana & Lambert, probably our two biggest heroes.

Midfield, we had Wanyama, our biggest signing still at the club, & Ward-Prowse, who a few days ago many of us were saying should go to the World Cup in Brasil, and in any case should be a mainstay of the England team for years to come. Beside them we had Davis, one of our best performers all year.

In defense, Shaw & Clyne are two of our best players, and again people are talking of them going to the world cup.

WIth Lovren unavailable, Maya has looked pretty good beside Fonte, but with him having gashed shins it made sense to play Hooveild. And they did pretty well; Sunderland only had one shot all game, and that was a wonder-strike that the guy would probably put over the bar 9 times out of ten.

Davies in goal - you have to keep the goalie fresh, and that shot would of beaten almost any keeper in the world.

So, not a bad team - the problem was that they played complete carp.

Should we blame Poch for Lambert putting it over the bar from 3 yards? Should we blame Poch because JWP scuffed his shot into the ground? Should we blame Poch because Shaw & Clyne didn't put in a decent cross all game? For Llalana producing one of his worst games so far? For Wanyama & JWP playing as if they'd never even met each other before?

No, if you're going to blame anyone for this, blame the players before Poch; this team was good enough, but they just didn't play.

That happens sometimes; maybe they started believing their nbame was on the cup? They were playing like a team who believed they deserved to win the game befoer it had started, and didn't need to put in the effort that's always required.

It's true that Poch doesn't want the Europa League, and maybe that had an effect on the urgency he put into his team talk, we'll never know. But I believe everyone at St Mary's wanted to win this game; they just messed it up on the day. That happens - let's get over it! This has still been a great season, this team is still performing amazingly, and this was one game where we just didn't play.

And as for Jesus' comments, what else should he say? It's ok for the fans to go crazy, but he & the managemtn team have to keep the team going for the rest of hte season, and they won't do that by slagging off anyone, ranting about the performance, or letting negativity into the team. Their job is to keep the spirit up, keep the team believing, and keep them focussed on the next game, the next goal. Maybe he phrased it badly, but he didn't have Poch's translator.

Yes, I'm gutted we are out of the Cup - apart from anything else, I would of won £3,000 on Betfair - but we'll get much further accepting that this was a game where weplayed within the limits of the squad available to us, and that some of our best players had incredibly off days.

And then we move on to the next game, and moving up the league if possible.
Ok, let's get some perspective here. We would probably all agree that Guly had his worst 45 minutes for us, and probably shouldn't have been in the team. Other than that, this wasn't a team that disrespected the cup. Up front, we had Llalana & Lambert, probably our two biggest heroes. Midfield, we had Wanyama, our biggest signing still at the club, & Ward-Prowse, who a few days ago many of us were saying should go to the World Cup in Brasil, and in any case should be a mainstay of the England team for years to come. Beside them we had Davis, one of our best performers all year. In defense, Shaw & Clyne are two of our best players, and again people are talking of them going to the world cup. WIth Lovren unavailable, Maya has looked pretty good beside Fonte, but with him having gashed shins it made sense to play Hooveild. And they did pretty well; Sunderland only had one shot all game, and that was a wonder-strike that the guy would probably put over the bar 9 times out of ten. Davies in goal - you have to keep the goalie fresh, and that shot would of beaten almost any keeper in the world. So, not a bad team - the problem was that they played complete carp. Should we blame Poch for Lambert putting it over the bar from 3 yards? Should we blame Poch because JWP scuffed his shot into the ground? Should we blame Poch because Shaw & Clyne didn't put in a decent cross all game? For Llalana producing one of his worst games so far? For Wanyama & JWP playing as if they'd never even met each other before? No, if you're going to blame anyone for this, blame the players before Poch; this team was good enough, but they just didn't play. That happens sometimes; maybe they started believing their nbame was on the cup? They were playing like a team who believed they deserved to win the game befoer it had started, and didn't need to put in the effort that's always required. It's true that Poch doesn't want the Europa League, and maybe that had an effect on the urgency he put into his team talk, we'll never know. But I believe everyone at St Mary's wanted to win this game; they just messed it up on the day. That happens - let's get over it! This has still been a great season, this team is still performing amazingly, and this was one game where we just didn't play. And as for Jesus' comments, what else should he say? It's ok for the fans to go crazy, but he & the managemtn team have to keep the team going for the rest of hte season, and they won't do that by slagging off anyone, ranting about the performance, or letting negativity into the team. Their job is to keep the spirit up, keep the team believing, and keep them focussed on the next game, the next goal. Maybe he phrased it badly, but he didn't have Poch's translator. Yes, I'm gutted we are out of the Cup - apart from anything else, I would of won £3,000 on Betfair - but we'll get much further accepting that this was a game where weplayed within the limits of the squad available to us, and that some of our best players had incredibly off days. And then we move on to the next game, and moving up the league if possible. Tony in Liberia

7:25am Mon 17 Feb 14

Sammy2sheds says...

That was our biggest game of the season so far
The fact that Perez was given the media duties told the players that this game was not priority.
That was our biggest game of the season so far The fact that Perez was given the media duties told the players that this game was not priority. Sammy2sheds

7:37am Mon 17 Feb 14

Rednose says...

Bad day at the office, no more than that. 6 changes made against a team below us in the league, who I may had made 9 themselves. Simple facts MP did nothing different to previous rounds, including his assistance facing the press. The players that started should have been more than a match for Sunderland. If anything it would have been good if they showed a bit more fight, but we lost to a great strike, so not to be this year. There is a plan and a way of thinking going on at Southampton at the moment that we're all behind, can't start **** when we have a small blip. Shame on those that can't restrain their dissapointment and give the DE a chance to run a non story for days afterwards. Lastly talk about lack of respect for the cup. The FA holding the semi's at Wembley cheapings the final, now that is disrespect to the tournament in my opinion.
Bad day at the office, no more than that. 6 changes made against a team below us in the league, who I may had made 9 themselves. Simple facts MP did nothing different to previous rounds, including his assistance facing the press. The players that started should have been more than a match for Sunderland. If anything it would have been good if they showed a bit more fight, but we lost to a great strike, so not to be this year. There is a plan and a way of thinking going on at Southampton at the moment that we're all behind, can't start **** when we have a small blip. Shame on those that can't restrain their dissapointment and give the DE a chance to run a non story for days afterwards. Lastly talk about lack of respect for the cup. The FA holding the semi's at Wembley cheapings the final, now that is disrespect to the tournament in my opinion. Rednose

7:40am Mon 17 Feb 14

Sally Hamilton Original says...

What a total load of absolute rubbish... Echo you do not voice the opinion of the real fans
What a total load of absolute rubbish... Echo you do not voice the opinion of the real fans Sally Hamilton Original

7:44am Mon 17 Feb 14

Rednose says...

Who would have thought b1tching would have been classed as a swear word. So if I offended anyone.
Who would have thought b1tching would have been classed as a swear word. So if I offended anyone. Rednose

7:46am Mon 17 Feb 14

Saintsteve7 says...

Tony in Liberia wrote:
Ok, let's get some perspective here.

We would probably all agree that Guly had his worst 45 minutes for us, and probably shouldn't have been in the team.

Other than that, this wasn't a team that disrespected the cup. Up front, we had Llalana & Lambert, probably our two biggest heroes.

Midfield, we had Wanyama, our biggest signing still at the club, & Ward-Prowse, who a few days ago many of us were saying should go to the World Cup in Brasil, and in any case should be a mainstay of the England team for years to come. Beside them we had Davis, one of our best performers all year.

In defense, Shaw & Clyne are two of our best players, and again people are talking of them going to the world cup.

WIth Lovren unavailable, Maya has looked pretty good beside Fonte, but with him having gashed shins it made sense to play Hooveild. And they did pretty well; Sunderland only had one shot all game, and that was a wonder-strike that the guy would probably put over the bar 9 times out of ten.

Davies in goal - you have to keep the goalie fresh, and that shot would of beaten almost any keeper in the world.

So, not a bad team - the problem was that they played complete carp.

Should we blame Poch for Lambert putting it over the bar from 3 yards? Should we blame Poch because JWP scuffed his shot into the ground? Should we blame Poch because Shaw & Clyne didn't put in a decent cross all game? For Llalana producing one of his worst games so far? For Wanyama & JWP playing as if they'd never even met each other before?

No, if you're going to blame anyone for this, blame the players before Poch; this team was good enough, but they just didn't play.

That happens sometimes; maybe they started believing their nbame was on the cup? They were playing like a team who believed they deserved to win the game befoer it had started, and didn't need to put in the effort that's always required.

It's true that Poch doesn't want the Europa League, and maybe that had an effect on the urgency he put into his team talk, we'll never know. But I believe everyone at St Mary's wanted to win this game; they just messed it up on the day. That happens - let's get over it! This has still been a great season, this team is still performing amazingly, and this was one game where we just didn't play.

And as for Jesus' comments, what else should he say? It's ok for the fans to go crazy, but he & the managemtn team have to keep the team going for the rest of hte season, and they won't do that by slagging off anyone, ranting about the performance, or letting negativity into the team. Their job is to keep the spirit up, keep the team believing, and keep them focussed on the next game, the next goal. Maybe he phrased it badly, but he didn't have Poch's translator.

Yes, I'm gutted we are out of the Cup - apart from anything else, I would of won £3,000 on Betfair - but we'll get much further accepting that this was a game where weplayed within the limits of the squad available to us, and that some of our best players had incredibly off days.

And then we move on to the next game, and moving up the league if possible.
Spot on!
[quote][p][bold]Tony in Liberia[/bold] wrote: Ok, let's get some perspective here. We would probably all agree that Guly had his worst 45 minutes for us, and probably shouldn't have been in the team. Other than that, this wasn't a team that disrespected the cup. Up front, we had Llalana & Lambert, probably our two biggest heroes. Midfield, we had Wanyama, our biggest signing still at the club, & Ward-Prowse, who a few days ago many of us were saying should go to the World Cup in Brasil, and in any case should be a mainstay of the England team for years to come. Beside them we had Davis, one of our best performers all year. In defense, Shaw & Clyne are two of our best players, and again people are talking of them going to the world cup. WIth Lovren unavailable, Maya has looked pretty good beside Fonte, but with him having gashed shins it made sense to play Hooveild. And they did pretty well; Sunderland only had one shot all game, and that was a wonder-strike that the guy would probably put over the bar 9 times out of ten. Davies in goal - you have to keep the goalie fresh, and that shot would of beaten almost any keeper in the world. So, not a bad team - the problem was that they played complete carp. Should we blame Poch for Lambert putting it over the bar from 3 yards? Should we blame Poch because JWP scuffed his shot into the ground? Should we blame Poch because Shaw & Clyne didn't put in a decent cross all game? For Llalana producing one of his worst games so far? For Wanyama & JWP playing as if they'd never even met each other before? No, if you're going to blame anyone for this, blame the players before Poch; this team was good enough, but they just didn't play. That happens sometimes; maybe they started believing their nbame was on the cup? They were playing like a team who believed they deserved to win the game befoer it had started, and didn't need to put in the effort that's always required. It's true that Poch doesn't want the Europa League, and maybe that had an effect on the urgency he put into his team talk, we'll never know. But I believe everyone at St Mary's wanted to win this game; they just messed it up on the day. That happens - let's get over it! This has still been a great season, this team is still performing amazingly, and this was one game where we just didn't play. And as for Jesus' comments, what else should he say? It's ok for the fans to go crazy, but he & the managemtn team have to keep the team going for the rest of hte season, and they won't do that by slagging off anyone, ranting about the performance, or letting negativity into the team. Their job is to keep the spirit up, keep the team believing, and keep them focussed on the next game, the next goal. Maybe he phrased it badly, but he didn't have Poch's translator. Yes, I'm gutted we are out of the Cup - apart from anything else, I would of won £3,000 on Betfair - but we'll get much further accepting that this was a game where weplayed within the limits of the squad available to us, and that some of our best players had incredibly off days. And then we move on to the next game, and moving up the league if possible.[/p][/quote]Spot on! Saintsteve7

7:48am Mon 17 Feb 14

SouthamptonBoy65 says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
That was our biggest game of the season so far
The fact that Perez was given the media duties told the players that this game was not priority.
Hasn't Perez done the media for all the cup matches?

I'm sure the team realised this and thought what's the point! Sensitive little souls that they are.

COME ON, they had a very off day, that was not a bad team put out!
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: That was our biggest game of the season so far The fact that Perez was given the media duties told the players that this game was not priority.[/p][/quote]Hasn't Perez done the media for all the cup matches? I'm sure the team realised this and thought what's the point! Sensitive little souls that they are. COME ON, they had a very off day, that was not a bad team put out! SouthamptonBoy65

7:53am Mon 17 Feb 14

West Cork Saiint says...

We gave it a lash with hardly our B Team (shaw, Clyde, lallana, lambert etc) so move on. Would have been nice to progress considering our league position, but I would not swap our situation with Sunderland. I think the boys have done a massive job this season and am a very happy saints fan :-)
We gave it a lash with hardly our B Team (shaw, Clyde, lallana, lambert etc) so move on. Would have been nice to progress considering our league position, but I would not swap our situation with Sunderland. I think the boys have done a massive job this season and am a very happy saints fan :-) West Cork Saiint

8:05am Mon 17 Feb 14

Golden_Salamander says...

If the FA Cup is so important to the fans, why did only 15k turn up for the 3rd round match against Burnley ?.

It is only a few fans who are living in the old days where the FA Cup was as important as the league, IT IS NOT ANY MORE since the Sky money has put all the importance on league position and the 50% who did not turn up for than match against Burnley realise that (I went by the way).

The FA could change this overnight by giving the 4th CL place to the winners of the FA Cup, but while the current allocation exists the important games are the league games.

Pochettino realises that,,so do 50% of the fans, so do the Management of the Club who put all the PERFORMACE RELATED BONUSES (trips to Las Vegus / South of france in previous years) on a TOP 8 position.

Some fans need to wake up and stop living in the past. Wigan (last season) and the Cheats in previous seasons TRY TO BIG UP the FA Cup but it is unimportant these days just look at their league position.
If the FA Cup is so important to the fans, why did only 15k turn up for the 3rd round match against Burnley ?. It is only a few fans who are living in the old days where the FA Cup was as important as the league, IT IS NOT ANY MORE since the Sky money has put all the importance on league position and the 50% who did not turn up for than match against Burnley realise that (I went by the way). The FA could change this overnight by giving the 4th CL place to the winners of the FA Cup, but while the current allocation exists the important games are the league games. Pochettino realises that,,so do 50% of the fans, so do the Management of the Club who put all the PERFORMACE RELATED BONUSES (trips to Las Vegus / South of france in previous years) on a TOP 8 position. Some fans need to wake up and stop living in the past. Wigan (last season) and the Cheats in previous seasons TRY TO BIG UP the FA Cup but it is unimportant these days just look at their league position. Golden_Salamander

8:15am Mon 17 Feb 14

Salalal says...

To be fair, it is not only Pochettino who has made the stupid mistake of selecting Kelvin Davis, Hooiveld & Guly for a match. Nigel Adkins also selected the three of them for the League Cup match v Leeds last season, which we lost 3-0 with an even worse performance than the one at Sunderland. I assume it was only a stupid mistake, as doing it deliberately, knowing full well that with those three in the team you have no chance of winning, would be the equivalent of deliberately trying to lose, or match fixing.
To be fair, it is not only Pochettino who has made the stupid mistake of selecting Kelvin Davis, Hooiveld & Guly for a match. Nigel Adkins also selected the three of them for the League Cup match v Leeds last season, which we lost 3-0 with an even worse performance than the one at Sunderland. I assume it was only a stupid mistake, as doing it deliberately, knowing full well that with those three in the team you have no chance of winning, would be the equivalent of deliberately trying to lose, or match fixing. Salalal

8:28am Mon 17 Feb 14

saint christopher says...

Having calmed down from the anger and embarrasment caused by our appalling display I think Tony in Liberia has it spot on. This team should not only have been good enough to beat a 2nd-string Sunderland team but should also have been more fired up and focussed given that this was effectively all they were now playing for this season.

Yes, they were not good playing conditions and the appalling turn out meant there was zilch atmosphere, but at the end of the day they never seriously looked like winning the game, and Lambert's miss at the end just about summed up their performance (and probably put the last nail in any lingering hope of him going to the WC in the process).

Players shouldn't just be disappointed, they should be absolutely gutted - and be even more determined to recompense the fans by going all out to win every remaining match in the style we've become accustomed to - and to do so irrespective of how many youngsters are given playing time.

However on a far more serious personal note I see that for the second time I have been quoted by the DE, presumably because my erudite compositions are so far superior to the inane scribblngs of their own staff. All well and good but worldwide fame doesn't itself pay the bills, and even a token renumeration finding its way through my letterbox would be much appreciated.

Or shall I just add this to my dreams of a top 4 finish?
Having calmed down from the anger and embarrasment caused by our appalling display I think Tony in Liberia has it spot on. This team should not only have been good enough to beat a 2nd-string Sunderland team but should also have been more fired up and focussed given that this was effectively all they were now playing for this season. Yes, they were not good playing conditions and the appalling turn out meant there was zilch atmosphere, but at the end of the day they never seriously looked like winning the game, and Lambert's miss at the end just about summed up their performance (and probably put the last nail in any lingering hope of him going to the WC in the process). Players shouldn't just be disappointed, they should be absolutely gutted - and be even more determined to recompense the fans by going all out to win every remaining match in the style we've become accustomed to - and to do so irrespective of how many youngsters are given playing time. However on a far more serious personal note I see that for the second time I have been quoted by the DE, presumably because my erudite compositions are so far superior to the inane scribblngs of their own staff. All well and good but worldwide fame doesn't itself pay the bills, and even a token renumeration finding its way through my letterbox would be much appreciated. Or shall I just add this to my dreams of a top 4 finish? saint christopher

8:33am Mon 17 Feb 14

saint phil says...

Just remember we have come a long way in a short time. It shows that our back up players struggle to compete at this level, I would sooner be out of the cup than lose three points. Saint Phil.
Just remember we have come a long way in a short time. It shows that our back up players struggle to compete at this level, I would sooner be out of the cup than lose three points. Saint Phil. saint phil

8:38am Mon 17 Feb 14

mgprobert says...

Some well made points from Tony in Liberia. For me the Saints' management's clear apathy for the FA Cup got through to the players who, Luke Shaw apart, didn't look interested - which seems very hard to understand, as a fan.
Much as it hurts me to say it Sunderland wanted it more - so good luck to them. It was a sad day for Saints and as a fan I feel insulted.
Some well made points from Tony in Liberia. For me the Saints' management's clear apathy for the FA Cup got through to the players who, Luke Shaw apart, didn't look interested - which seems very hard to understand, as a fan. Much as it hurts me to say it Sunderland wanted it more - so good luck to them. It was a sad day for Saints and as a fan I feel insulted. mgprobert

8:39am Mon 17 Feb 14

justaSaintsfan says...

Perhaps Saints players had an off day. Maybe Sunderland were just the better team on the day. All teams have days when they don't take their goal chances and lose or draw games. We should consider Saints' performances over the whole season, not just one game. It has been a good season so far and good progress has been made compared to last season. Some players have been bought in and have improved the squad. Some academy youngsters have come into the squad and improved their game, thus improving the quality in the squad. There are also some more established Saints players, who are in only their second season of playing at Premiership level and they, too, are still learning and improving.

All in all, Saints are these days an improving work in progress, so we fans should progress with them and stay confident in the progress being made. Some people might ask what progress that is. They need only look back to when Markus Liebherr bought Saints. Progress has been remarkable since that time, with Saints being better each season than the previous one. Saints now have a squad that includes many players who play for their national teams, THREE of whom have played for England this season. There are also players in the squad who are close to being called into the England squad.


I have been a Saints fan for many, many years and can easily confirm that there has never been a better time to be optimistic. I'm looking forward to the next match, the rest of this season and seasons to come. Last Saturday's game against Sunderland wasn't the end of the world. I'm sure the players did the best they could on the day. They only lost 1-0 and Sunderland weren't all that good either! Sunderland had their previous midweek game called off, which meant that ALL their players had not played in midweek, compared to only half our team. That probably contributed to Saints play not quite being up to its more usual, higher standard. Even the best teams in the world lose games like that!

So let us look forward to better things to come from Saints. Maybe they will win the FA Cup next season! It should be yet another season of improvement! COYR!!!
Perhaps Saints players had an off day. Maybe Sunderland were just the better team on the day. All teams have days when they don't take their goal chances and lose or draw games. We should consider Saints' performances over the whole season, not just one game. It has been a good season so far and good progress has been made compared to last season. Some players have been bought in and have improved the squad. Some academy youngsters have come into the squad and improved their game, thus improving the quality in the squad. There are also some more established Saints players, who are in only their second season of playing at Premiership level and they, too, are still learning and improving. All in all, Saints are these days an improving work in progress, so we fans should progress with them and stay confident in the progress being made. Some people might ask what progress that is. They need only look back to when Markus Liebherr bought Saints. Progress has been remarkable since that time, with Saints being better each season than the previous one. Saints now have a squad that includes many players who play for their national teams, THREE of whom have played for England this season. There are also players in the squad who are close to being called into the England squad. I have been a Saints fan for many, many years and can easily confirm that there has never been a better time to be optimistic. I'm looking forward to the next match, the rest of this season and seasons to come. Last Saturday's game against Sunderland wasn't the end of the world. I'm sure the players did the best they could on the day. They only lost 1-0 and Sunderland weren't all that good either! Sunderland had their previous midweek game called off, which meant that ALL their players had not played in midweek, compared to only half our team. That probably contributed to Saints play not quite being up to its more usual, higher standard. Even the best teams in the world lose games like that! So let us look forward to better things to come from Saints. Maybe they will win the FA Cup next season! It should be yet another season of improvement! COYR!!! justaSaintsfan

8:53am Mon 17 Feb 14

Peoples Choice says...

All these ones defending the selection and saying we should move on Id bet my bottom dollar you got out of bed at 11am Saturday morning, had a bacon roll and switched over to BT Sport at 12.40pm, then at Full Time switched channels and led up for the rest of the day. It was a total shambles from kick off to full time, stemming from dropping Boruc for Davis, whose distribution must have been a way to pay back Sunderland for the 106 goals he let in for them. We should have gone out with the team that beat Hull on Tuesday, its not like we have a game midweek or anything. We were on Saturday at 12.45pm 180mins from Wembley, and Perez and Pochettino gave it the big two fingered salute
All these ones defending the selection and saying we should move on Id bet my bottom dollar you got out of bed at 11am Saturday morning, had a bacon roll and switched over to BT Sport at 12.40pm, then at Full Time switched channels and led up for the rest of the day. It was a total shambles from kick off to full time, stemming from dropping Boruc for Davis, whose distribution must have been a way to pay back Sunderland for the 106 goals he let in for them. We should have gone out with the team that beat Hull on Tuesday, its not like we have a game midweek or anything. We were on Saturday at 12.45pm 180mins from Wembley, and Perez and Pochettino gave it the big two fingered salute Peoples Choice

8:59am Mon 17 Feb 14

SaintAsh1964 says...

I think we really need to ask the question is MoPo the man to take us forward.
Plays a weakened team in the a Cup game again,( ok fair enough against lower League opposition, but not against a team in the same league playing well), which has cost us a Cup run, extra revenue and momentum in the League.
Has stated that he doesnt fancy/want to qualify for the Europa League, so how do we progress?
We are not going to jump straight to the Champions League are we? so whats the point of doing well in the League and finishing as high as we can, when effectively we are limited to 7th place under MoPo.
I dont think the likes of Lallana, Shaw, Schneiderlin etal are going to be happy with that type of ambition from the Manager.
If we want to progress over the next 3-7 years as a club, we have to learn how to play European football from the bottom up, not the other way around and that means following in the footsteps of Spurs, Swansea, Newcastle, who have qualified for the Europa League and are finding out what is needed from their players and what is required of the Management of the Club.
And finally, it's not the case of loosing a game, but the manner in which we lost, its no coincidence that below par performances have resulted from playing a weakened team, surely its best to play the strongest team, go ahead in the game AND then rest your best players.
UTS
I think we really need to ask the question is MoPo the man to take us forward. Plays a weakened team in the a Cup game again,( ok fair enough against lower League opposition, but not against a team in the same league playing well), which has cost us a Cup run, extra revenue and momentum in the League. Has stated that he doesnt fancy/want to qualify for the Europa League, so how do we progress? We are not going to jump straight to the Champions League are we? so whats the point of doing well in the League and finishing as high as we can, when effectively we are limited to 7th place under MoPo. I dont think the likes of Lallana, Shaw, Schneiderlin etal are going to be happy with that type of ambition from the Manager. If we want to progress over the next 3-7 years as a club, we have to learn how to play European football from the bottom up, not the other way around and that means following in the footsteps of Spurs, Swansea, Newcastle, who have qualified for the Europa League and are finding out what is needed from their players and what is required of the Management of the Club. And finally, it's not the case of loosing a game, but the manner in which we lost, its no coincidence that below par performances have resulted from playing a weakened team, surely its best to play the strongest team, go ahead in the game AND then rest your best players. UTS SaintAsh1964

9:01am Mon 17 Feb 14

Salalal says...

Why can't people get it into their theads that if you play K. Davis, Hooiveld and Guly in the team against Premier League opposition, you have no chance of winning? You can't blame the other players for 'not trying'. They know as well as we do that with those 3 in the team, the game has been conceded.
Why can't people get it into their theads that if you play K. Davis, Hooiveld and Guly in the team against Premier League opposition, you have no chance of winning? You can't blame the other players for 'not trying'. They know as well as we do that with those 3 in the team, the game has been conceded. Salalal

9:13am Mon 17 Feb 14

Tony in Liberia says...

Salalal - look at those players a minute. Lovren was definitely out, and Fonte gashed his shins playing last week so couldn't of played. Well, maybe he could, but it would have been a stupid risk and the pain when he kicked the ball would of made him ineffective. That only left Hooveild.

Davis - he's our second choice keeper, and has to be given games somewhere along the line. He didn't play badly (apart from his distribution, which was woeful), and BOruc wouldn't of saved that shot either.

Guly - ok, I don't know what he's doing on a football pitch, but then I'm not a manager; successive managers, who see him every day intraining, who know more about football than I'll ever know, have consistently kept him in the squad, renewed his countrct, and given him games. They must have their reason; he must bring something tothe team (a bit like Heskey; I never saw how he played for England, but there must of been good reasons), or they wouldn't keep him around. Yes, he had a terrible 45 minutes yesterday and was subbed, but lets face it they could of subbed all 11 at half time.

To say that we can't win with those three in the team is ludicrous. What we can't do is win when half the team don't put in a shift, or half the team forget how to play football.
Salalal - look at those players a minute. Lovren was definitely out, and Fonte gashed his shins playing last week so couldn't of played. Well, maybe he could, but it would have been a stupid risk and the pain when he kicked the ball would of made him ineffective. That only left Hooveild. Davis - he's our second choice keeper, and has to be given games somewhere along the line. He didn't play badly (apart from his distribution, which was woeful), and BOruc wouldn't of saved that shot either. Guly - ok, I don't know what he's doing on a football pitch, but then I'm not a manager; successive managers, who see him every day intraining, who know more about football than I'll ever know, have consistently kept him in the squad, renewed his countrct, and given him games. They must have their reason; he must bring something tothe team (a bit like Heskey; I never saw how he played for England, but there must of been good reasons), or they wouldn't keep him around. Yes, he had a terrible 45 minutes yesterday and was subbed, but lets face it they could of subbed all 11 at half time. To say that we can't win with those three in the team is ludicrous. What we can't do is win when half the team don't put in a shift, or half the team forget how to play football. Tony in Liberia

9:17am Mon 17 Feb 14

saint Compo says...

It was a slap in the face for Saints fans. Pocho has lost more than a Cup match with his team selection. He's alienated a lot of fans and possibly some players. Cork will be very unhappy not to have been started after saying in the week how keen he was to emulate his father who got an FA Cup winners medal with Spurs.

Pocho should make a statement to clarify his thinking. Don't hide behind Jesus.

COYR
It was a slap in the face for Saints fans. Pocho has lost more than a Cup match with his team selection. He's alienated a lot of fans and possibly some players. Cork will be very unhappy not to have been started after saying in the week how keen he was to emulate his father who got an FA Cup winners medal with Spurs. Pocho should make a statement to clarify his thinking. Don't hide behind Jesus. COYR saint Compo

9:17am Mon 17 Feb 14

Sammy2sheds says...

SouthamptonBoy65 wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
That was our biggest game of the season so far
The fact that Perez was given the media duties told the players that this game was not priority.
Hasn't Perez done the media for all the cup matches?

I'm sure the team realised this and thought what's the point! Sensitive little souls that they are.

COME ON, they had a very off day, that was not a bad team put out!
A very very off day
This game was treated with disdain
Taking Adam lal off said everything
[quote][p][bold]SouthamptonBoy65[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: That was our biggest game of the season so far The fact that Perez was given the media duties told the players that this game was not priority.[/p][/quote]Hasn't Perez done the media for all the cup matches? I'm sure the team realised this and thought what's the point! Sensitive little souls that they are. COME ON, they had a very off day, that was not a bad team put out![/p][/quote]A very very off day This game was treated with disdain Taking Adam lal off said everything Sammy2sheds

9:18am Mon 17 Feb 14

lewis99 says...

There are only 3 domestic trophies to play for each season, the first, the Premier League title, we are NOT going to win, EVER, so that leaves 2 trophies, the fans and the English players in any team want to play at a cup final at Wembley, the overseas players haven't bought into the history and tradition of the Cups, they want to play in the European Cup final, and that is where the big money is for the owners of clubs! Me, like any English fan, look forward to a good cup run every year, Saints management robbed me and thousands like me, a great chance of a trip to Wembley and maybe a bit of glory, Mo Po and Jesus, you mucked up BIG time!!
There are only 3 domestic trophies to play for each season, the first, the Premier League title, we are NOT going to win, EVER, so that leaves 2 trophies, the fans and the English players in any team want to play at a cup final at Wembley, the overseas players haven't bought into the history and tradition of the Cups, they want to play in the European Cup final, and that is where the big money is for the owners of clubs! Me, like any English fan, look forward to a good cup run every year, Saints management robbed me and thousands like me, a great chance of a trip to Wembley and maybe a bit of glory, Mo Po and Jesus, you mucked up BIG time!! lewis99

9:25am Mon 17 Feb 14

Salalal says...

Tony in Liberia wrote:
Salalal - look at those players a minute. Lovren was definitely out, and Fonte gashed his shins playing last week so couldn't of played. Well, maybe he could, but it would have been a stupid risk and the pain when he kicked the ball would of made him ineffective. That only left Hooveild.

Davis - he's our second choice keeper, and has to be given games somewhere along the line. He didn't play badly (apart from his distribution, which was woeful), and BOruc wouldn't of saved that shot either.

Guly - ok, I don't know what he's doing on a football pitch, but then I'm not a manager; successive managers, who see him every day intraining, who know more about football than I'll ever know, have consistently kept him in the squad, renewed his countrct, and given him games. They must have their reason; he must bring something tothe team (a bit like Heskey; I never saw how he played for England, but there must of been good reasons), or they wouldn't keep him around. Yes, he had a terrible 45 minutes yesterday and was subbed, but lets face it they could of subbed all 11 at half time.

To say that we can't win with those three in the team is ludicrous. What we can't do is win when half the team don't put in a shift, or half the team forget how to play football.
I'll say it again: with those three in the team, we can't beat Premier League opposition. That is a proven fact. We haven't won any of the last ELEVEN games against Premier League teams that Hooiveld has played in.
[quote][p][bold]Tony in Liberia[/bold] wrote: Salalal - look at those players a minute. Lovren was definitely out, and Fonte gashed his shins playing last week so couldn't of played. Well, maybe he could, but it would have been a stupid risk and the pain when he kicked the ball would of made him ineffective. That only left Hooveild. Davis - he's our second choice keeper, and has to be given games somewhere along the line. He didn't play badly (apart from his distribution, which was woeful), and BOruc wouldn't of saved that shot either. Guly - ok, I don't know what he's doing on a football pitch, but then I'm not a manager; successive managers, who see him every day intraining, who know more about football than I'll ever know, have consistently kept him in the squad, renewed his countrct, and given him games. They must have their reason; he must bring something tothe team (a bit like Heskey; I never saw how he played for England, but there must of been good reasons), or they wouldn't keep him around. Yes, he had a terrible 45 minutes yesterday and was subbed, but lets face it they could of subbed all 11 at half time. To say that we can't win with those three in the team is ludicrous. What we can't do is win when half the team don't put in a shift, or half the team forget how to play football.[/p][/quote]I'll say it again: with those three in the team, we can't beat Premier League opposition. That is a proven fact. We haven't won any of the last ELEVEN games against Premier League teams that Hooiveld has played in. Salalal

9:34am Mon 17 Feb 14

St.Winch70 says...

Peoples Choice wrote:
All these ones defending the selection and saying we should move on Id bet my bottom dollar you got out of bed at 11am Saturday morning, had a bacon roll and switched over to BT Sport at 12.40pm, then at Full Time switched channels and led up for the rest of the day. It was a total shambles from kick off to full time, stemming from dropping Boruc for Davis, whose distribution must have been a way to pay back Sunderland for the 106 goals he let in for them. We should have gone out with the team that beat Hull on Tuesday, its not like we have a game midweek or anything. We were on Saturday at 12.45pm 180mins from Wembley, and Perez and Pochettino gave it the big two fingered salute
Do you know anything about football? Saints played awfully and lost. You follow the team, not pick it! It was your choice to attend the game, nobody put your arm up your back and forced you to go.
Probably best you hand back your season ticket if you feel like this every time your team has an off day - grow up or go and work for the Echo sports desk.
I have no patience for whiners like you.
[quote][p][bold]Peoples Choice[/bold] wrote: All these ones defending the selection and saying we should move on Id bet my bottom dollar you got out of bed at 11am Saturday morning, had a bacon roll and switched over to BT Sport at 12.40pm, then at Full Time switched channels and led up for the rest of the day. It was a total shambles from kick off to full time, stemming from dropping Boruc for Davis, whose distribution must have been a way to pay back Sunderland for the 106 goals he let in for them. We should have gone out with the team that beat Hull on Tuesday, its not like we have a game midweek or anything. We were on Saturday at 12.45pm 180mins from Wembley, and Perez and Pochettino gave it the big two fingered salute[/p][/quote]Do you know anything about football? Saints played awfully and lost. You follow the team, not pick it! It was your choice to attend the game, nobody put your arm up your back and forced you to go. Probably best you hand back your season ticket if you feel like this every time your team has an off day - grow up or go and work for the Echo sports desk. I have no patience for whiners like you. St.Winch70

9:35am Mon 17 Feb 14

Sadoldgitte says...

To play a team like this in a game like this was appalling. Also why does jesus do the media for cup games. If he the cup game manager? I am fed up with clubs decidding that they are only going to go for things in a half hearted manner. If you dont go out to win games what is the point of playing?
To play a team like this in a game like this was appalling. Also why does jesus do the media for cup games. If he the cup game manager? I am fed up with clubs decidding that they are only going to go for things in a half hearted manner. If you dont go out to win games what is the point of playing? Sadoldgitte

9:38am Mon 17 Feb 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
That was our biggest game of the season so far
The fact that Perez was given the media duties told the players that this game was not priority.
Agree,psychologicall
y it immediately sends out the message " reserve game".
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: That was our biggest game of the season so far The fact that Perez was given the media duties told the players that this game was not priority.[/p][/quote]Agree,psychologicall y it immediately sends out the message " reserve game". Positively4thStreet

9:42am Mon 17 Feb 14

alan.of.eastleigh says...

Peoples Choice wrote:
All these ones defending the selection and saying we should move on Id bet my bottom dollar you got out of bed at 11am Saturday morning, had a bacon roll and switched over to BT Sport at 12.40pm, then at Full Time switched channels and led up for the rest of the day. It was a total shambles from kick off to full time, stemming from dropping Boruc for Davis, whose distribution must have been a way to pay back Sunderland for the 106 goals he let in for them. We should have gone out with the team that beat Hull on Tuesday, its not like we have a game midweek or anything. We were on Saturday at 12.45pm 180mins from Wembley, and Perez and Pochettino gave it the big two fingered salute
Borus was ill - hence not on the bench. Fonte had severe lacerations down his leg from Hull game and was in a little discomfort. Was still on the bench if required The only player who has not regularly appeared in the first team was McQueen who played for 10 minutes.
[quote][p][bold]Peoples Choice[/bold] wrote: All these ones defending the selection and saying we should move on Id bet my bottom dollar you got out of bed at 11am Saturday morning, had a bacon roll and switched over to BT Sport at 12.40pm, then at Full Time switched channels and led up for the rest of the day. It was a total shambles from kick off to full time, stemming from dropping Boruc for Davis, whose distribution must have been a way to pay back Sunderland for the 106 goals he let in for them. We should have gone out with the team that beat Hull on Tuesday, its not like we have a game midweek or anything. We were on Saturday at 12.45pm 180mins from Wembley, and Perez and Pochettino gave it the big two fingered salute[/p][/quote]Borus was ill - hence not on the bench. Fonte had severe lacerations down his leg from Hull game and was in a little discomfort. Was still on the bench if required The only player who has not regularly appeared in the first team was McQueen who played for 10 minutes. alan.of.eastleigh

9:43am Mon 17 Feb 14

bathsaints says...

It was the performance of our first teamers that baffled me not the supposed weakened team. Lallana had arguably his worst game for a long time as did Rickie Luke and Clyne. We all know Hoover isn't really upto this level and so when he partially was at fault for Gardner getting the ball to school we shouldn't be surprised. I felt we missed Cork whose distribution is outstanding. It is disappointing especially given the draw for the quarters but the players showed a lack of passion in my opinion now you may say that attitude came from Poch but that shouldn't stop them performing. Pochettino is definatley the man to take us forward and I hope fans remember this if you look at not only where we are in the league but also the way we play but if he is here next season I hope he learns from this and at least gives the FA cup a go! On a different note I saw the highlights of the forest v sheff utd game and can't believe how poor Danny Fox's positioning was, he was at fault definatley for the third goal and possibly the second too. Good luck to him at Forest!!...Anyway lets get 3 points on Saturday and push on for a top 8 finish. COYR
It was the performance of our first teamers that baffled me not the supposed weakened team. Lallana had arguably his worst game for a long time as did Rickie Luke and Clyne. We all know Hoover isn't really upto this level and so when he partially was at fault for Gardner getting the ball to school we shouldn't be surprised. I felt we missed Cork whose distribution is outstanding. It is disappointing especially given the draw for the quarters but the players showed a lack of passion in my opinion now you may say that attitude came from Poch but that shouldn't stop them performing. Pochettino is definatley the man to take us forward and I hope fans remember this if you look at not only where we are in the league but also the way we play but if he is here next season I hope he learns from this and at least gives the FA cup a go! On a different note I saw the highlights of the forest v sheff utd game and can't believe how poor Danny Fox's positioning was, he was at fault definatley for the third goal and possibly the second too. Good luck to him at Forest!!...Anyway lets get 3 points on Saturday and push on for a top 8 finish. COYR bathsaints

9:50am Mon 17 Feb 14

drkensta says...

the Gardiner goal was not a wonder goal. Davis was yards off of his goal line for no good reason when the ball fell to Gardiner 25 or more yards out from the goal. He did the right thing in placing his shot over Davis for it to go into an undefended goal. The goal was a goalkeeping error and Davis or Artur would have saved it if either was in the correct goal defending position at that time. Davis's distribution was abysmal for what is suppose to be a Premier league goalkeeper, I think the Saints where fortunate that Johnson was not playing or Sunderland would have scored a few more. I do not what was behind the team selection but lots of teams select weaker sides for matches, it is just I thought that we were different and that the Southampton way was to put out our best team for all matches. It appears that under the present management we are just the same as many others in the Premier League, limited ambition.
the Gardiner goal was not a wonder goal. Davis was yards off of his goal line for no good reason when the ball fell to Gardiner 25 or more yards out from the goal. He did the right thing in placing his shot over Davis for it to go into an undefended goal. The goal was a goalkeeping error and Davis or Artur would have saved it if either was in the correct goal defending position at that time. Davis's distribution was abysmal for what is suppose to be a Premier league goalkeeper, I think the Saints where fortunate that Johnson was not playing or Sunderland would have scored a few more. I do not what was behind the team selection but lots of teams select weaker sides for matches, it is just I thought that we were different and that the Southampton way was to put out our best team for all matches. It appears that under the present management we are just the same as many others in the Premier League, limited ambition. drkensta

9:52am Mon 17 Feb 14

george chivers says...

Tony in Liberia wrote:
Ok, let's get some perspective here.

We would probably all agree that Guly had his worst 45 minutes for us, and probably shouldn't have been in the team.

Other than that, this wasn't a team that disrespected the cup. Up front, we had Llalana & Lambert, probably our two biggest heroes.

Midfield, we had Wanyama, our biggest signing still at the club, & Ward-Prowse, who a few days ago many of us were saying should go to the World Cup in Brasil, and in any case should be a mainstay of the England team for years to come. Beside them we had Davis, one of our best performers all year.

In defense, Shaw & Clyne are two of our best players, and again people are talking of them going to the world cup.

WIth Lovren unavailable, Maya has looked pretty good beside Fonte, but with him having gashed shins it made sense to play Hooveild. And they did pretty well; Sunderland only had one shot all game, and that was a wonder-strike that the guy would probably put over the bar 9 times out of ten.

Davies in goal - you have to keep the goalie fresh, and that shot would of beaten almost any keeper in the world.

So, not a bad team - the problem was that they played complete carp.

Should we blame Poch for Lambert putting it over the bar from 3 yards? Should we blame Poch because JWP scuffed his shot into the ground? Should we blame Poch because Shaw & Clyne didn't put in a decent cross all game? For Llalana producing one of his worst games so far? For Wanyama & JWP playing as if they'd never even met each other before?

No, if you're going to blame anyone for this, blame the players before Poch; this team was good enough, but they just didn't play.

That happens sometimes; maybe they started believing their nbame was on the cup? They were playing like a team who believed they deserved to win the game befoer it had started, and didn't need to put in the effort that's always required.

It's true that Poch doesn't want the Europa League, and maybe that had an effect on the urgency he put into his team talk, we'll never know. But I believe everyone at St Mary's wanted to win this game; they just messed it up on the day. That happens - let's get over it! This has still been a great season, this team is still performing amazingly, and this was one game where we just didn't play.

And as for Jesus' comments, what else should he say? It's ok for the fans to go crazy, but he & the managemtn team have to keep the team going for the rest of hte season, and they won't do that by slagging off anyone, ranting about the performance, or letting negativity into the team. Their job is to keep the spirit up, keep the team believing, and keep them focussed on the next game, the next goal. Maybe he phrased it badly, but he didn't have Poch's translator.

Yes, I'm gutted we are out of the Cup - apart from anything else, I would of won £3,000 on Betfair - but we'll get much further accepting that this was a game where weplayed within the limits of the squad available to us, and that some of our best players had incredibly off days.

And then we move on to the next game, and moving up the league if possible.
Tony, all of your comments are valid. But you forget about the way we played. We didn't press the ball in the Sunderland half, we played through mid-field from the back which is not our normal game plan. And we played with a much deeper back four than usual and the management team were never seen in the technical area urging the back four to push up to the half way line. That is a major change from our normal way of playing in the league.

We were set up to give Sunderland every chance of winning and they did. it will be interesting to see if the same tactics are employed in future league games if we get into a position where we can qualify for the Europa Cup by league position

It will also be interesting to see if the attendance at the next home game drops below the average gate of about 28,000. I can fully understand why Poch did what he did because of the attendant risks of qualifying for the Europa Cup. That in its self is a good business decision and a very good personal decision for himself to protect his job next season.

But if the attendances drop I hope the club understands why. As it is I think we have had only one full house this season, which I believe is down to the way we play and the lack of chances we create and the general lack of entertainment our style of play generates. Although of course our points tally and league position is much improved. But points aren't everything. People pay to be entertained, not to be frustrated and sometimes bored by possession football, especially at home where are record is not outstanding in terms of wins.

And that is why some of us want to see us do well in the Cup, because cup ties against premiere league rivals should be full on, with a full first team, going for it regardless! But the FA cup is not the competition it was and for teams like Southampton the financial incentive is to get knocked out not to progress.

I also think Sunderland didn't want to win either which was reflected in their team selection. Getting through has worsened their chances of staying in the Premiere League without any doubt.

A shame. The top clubs in the PL with excessive money have all the power and are supported indirectly by the idiots in UEFA who could solve the problem by running the Europa Cup as a free draw, two leg knockout competition. Then it would be worth entering and in turn make the FA Cup a worthwhile competition again. And of course it would do the same for the rest of the cup competitions in Europe.

But there is no doubt in my mind our team selection and tactics on Saturday were made with deliberate failure in mind. Not to lose on purpose of course but to give Sunderland ever opportunity of winning.
[quote][p][bold]Tony in Liberia[/bold] wrote: Ok, let's get some perspective here. We would probably all agree that Guly had his worst 45 minutes for us, and probably shouldn't have been in the team. Other than that, this wasn't a team that disrespected the cup. Up front, we had Llalana & Lambert, probably our two biggest heroes. Midfield, we had Wanyama, our biggest signing still at the club, & Ward-Prowse, who a few days ago many of us were saying should go to the World Cup in Brasil, and in any case should be a mainstay of the England team for years to come. Beside them we had Davis, one of our best performers all year. In defense, Shaw & Clyne are two of our best players, and again people are talking of them going to the world cup. WIth Lovren unavailable, Maya has looked pretty good beside Fonte, but with him having gashed shins it made sense to play Hooveild. And they did pretty well; Sunderland only had one shot all game, and that was a wonder-strike that the guy would probably put over the bar 9 times out of ten. Davies in goal - you have to keep the goalie fresh, and that shot would of beaten almost any keeper in the world. So, not a bad team - the problem was that they played complete carp. Should we blame Poch for Lambert putting it over the bar from 3 yards? Should we blame Poch because JWP scuffed his shot into the ground? Should we blame Poch because Shaw & Clyne didn't put in a decent cross all game? For Llalana producing one of his worst games so far? For Wanyama & JWP playing as if they'd never even met each other before? No, if you're going to blame anyone for this, blame the players before Poch; this team was good enough, but they just didn't play. That happens sometimes; maybe they started believing their nbame was on the cup? They were playing like a team who believed they deserved to win the game befoer it had started, and didn't need to put in the effort that's always required. It's true that Poch doesn't want the Europa League, and maybe that had an effect on the urgency he put into his team talk, we'll never know. But I believe everyone at St Mary's wanted to win this game; they just messed it up on the day. That happens - let's get over it! This has still been a great season, this team is still performing amazingly, and this was one game where we just didn't play. And as for Jesus' comments, what else should he say? It's ok for the fans to go crazy, but he & the managemtn team have to keep the team going for the rest of hte season, and they won't do that by slagging off anyone, ranting about the performance, or letting negativity into the team. Their job is to keep the spirit up, keep the team believing, and keep them focussed on the next game, the next goal. Maybe he phrased it badly, but he didn't have Poch's translator. Yes, I'm gutted we are out of the Cup - apart from anything else, I would of won £3,000 on Betfair - but we'll get much further accepting that this was a game where weplayed within the limits of the squad available to us, and that some of our best players had incredibly off days. And then we move on to the next game, and moving up the league if possible.[/p][/quote]Tony, all of your comments are valid. But you forget about the way we played. We didn't press the ball in the Sunderland half, we played through mid-field from the back which is not our normal game plan. And we played with a much deeper back four than usual and the management team were never seen in the technical area urging the back four to push up to the half way line. That is a major change from our normal way of playing in the league. We were set up to give Sunderland every chance of winning and they did. it will be interesting to see if the same tactics are employed in future league games if we get into a position where we can qualify for the Europa Cup by league position It will also be interesting to see if the attendance at the next home game drops below the average gate of about 28,000. I can fully understand why Poch did what he did because of the attendant risks of qualifying for the Europa Cup. That in its self is a good business decision and a very good personal decision for himself to protect his job next season. But if the attendances drop I hope the club understands why. As it is I think we have had only one full house this season, which I believe is down to the way we play and the lack of chances we create and the general lack of entertainment our style of play generates. Although of course our points tally and league position is much improved. But points aren't everything. People pay to be entertained, not to be frustrated and sometimes bored by possession football, especially at home where are record is not outstanding in terms of wins. And that is why some of us want to see us do well in the Cup, because cup ties against premiere league rivals should be full on, with a full first team, going for it regardless! But the FA cup is not the competition it was and for teams like Southampton the financial incentive is to get knocked out not to progress. I also think Sunderland didn't want to win either which was reflected in their team selection. Getting through has worsened their chances of staying in the Premiere League without any doubt. A shame. The top clubs in the PL with excessive money have all the power and are supported indirectly by the idiots in UEFA who could solve the problem by running the Europa Cup as a free draw, two leg knockout competition. Then it would be worth entering and in turn make the FA Cup a worthwhile competition again. And of course it would do the same for the rest of the cup competitions in Europe. But there is no doubt in my mind our team selection and tactics on Saturday were made with deliberate failure in mind. Not to lose on purpose of course but to give Sunderland ever opportunity of winning. george chivers

9:58am Mon 17 Feb 14

markodarko29 says...

Salalal wrote:
Why can't people get it into their theads that if you play K. Davis, Hooiveld and Guly in the team against Premier League opposition, you have no chance of winning? You can't blame the other players for 'not trying'. They know as well as we do that with those 3 in the team, the game has been conceded.
totally agree as soon as the team came up ,i knew we would lose ,k davis hooliveld and guly are not good enough to be prem squad players ,you may get away playing one of them but all 3 no chance ,
[quote][p][bold]Salalal[/bold] wrote: Why can't people get it into their theads that if you play K. Davis, Hooiveld and Guly in the team against Premier League opposition, you have no chance of winning? You can't blame the other players for 'not trying'. They know as well as we do that with those 3 in the team, the game has been conceded.[/p][/quote]totally agree as soon as the team came up ,i knew we would lose ,k davis hooliveld and guly are not good enough to be prem squad players ,you may get away playing one of them but all 3 no chance , markodarko29

9:59am Mon 17 Feb 14

eyresiesaint says...

I don't get why the echo and fans get on poch's back as soon as saints lose a game, he can't play the same 11 every match especially as including wet spam next week that is 3 away games in a row.

At the end of the day he is a good manager who has got us playing great football, the pitch was terrible and exept Hoover the rest of the team in my opinion were good players, but with fonte's hash on his shin and lovren out we have no other options at cb.

If we got into europe with the size of our squad as it is we would be fighting relegation next season, he is just protecting the best interest if the club.

The daily echo needs to start supporting its club and stop stirring up cr@p

COYR
I don't get why the echo and fans get on poch's back as soon as saints lose a game, he can't play the same 11 every match especially as including wet spam next week that is 3 away games in a row. At the end of the day he is a good manager who has got us playing great football, the pitch was terrible and exept Hoover the rest of the team in my opinion were good players, but with fonte's hash on his shin and lovren out we have no other options at cb. If we got into europe with the size of our squad as it is we would be fighting relegation next season, he is just protecting the best interest if the club. The daily echo needs to start supporting its club and stop stirring up cr@p COYR eyresiesaint

10:00am Mon 17 Feb 14

Salalal says...

I have just checked to confirm this, With K. Davis, Hooiveld and Guly in the side, Saints have NEVER beaten a Premier League team, and we never will. They have played together in some of our most ignominious defeats including the 2-0 home defeat to Wigan, the 3-0 League Cup defeat at Leeds and the latest defeat to Sunderland. If a manager picks those three, he does it in the full knowledge that we are not going to win the game.
I have just checked to confirm this, With K. Davis, Hooiveld and Guly in the side, Saints have NEVER beaten a Premier League team, and we never will. They have played together in some of our most ignominious defeats including the 2-0 home defeat to Wigan, the 3-0 League Cup defeat at Leeds and the latest defeat to Sunderland. If a manager picks those three, he does it in the full knowledge that we are not going to win the game. Salalal

10:03am Mon 17 Feb 14

Blackwaterblue says...

Generally foreign managers do not consider cups to be important, even the most famous cup in the world.
Generally foreign managers do not consider cups to be important, even the most famous cup in the world. Blackwaterblue

10:15am Mon 17 Feb 14

Wembley76 says...

I thin the Saints fans have a right to voice an opinion and are reasonable in being disappointed with the result. Having been to Wembley in 76 and again for the Final in the Millenium I count these as prob the two best of my footballing experiences (in watching Saints for 40 seasons) This is of course my heart speaking and is based on emotion rather than logic and fact. Logically the cups are not a priority, and we cannot expect a foreign manager to have the same passion and understanding of the FA Cup as we do..I still remember getting up and excitedly watching the build ups for the Finals. Mo Po has done a great job for us and for sure I would not want to swop with Sundrland...so let's move on...learn from it and beat W Ham next week!
I thin the Saints fans have a right to voice an opinion and are reasonable in being disappointed with the result. Having been to Wembley in 76 and again for the Final in the Millenium I count these as prob the two best of my footballing experiences (in watching Saints for 40 seasons) This is of course my heart speaking and is based on emotion rather than logic and fact. Logically the cups are not a priority, and we cannot expect a foreign manager to have the same passion and understanding of the FA Cup as we do..I still remember getting up and excitedly watching the build ups for the Finals. Mo Po has done a great job for us and for sure I would not want to swop with Sundrland...so let's move on...learn from it and beat W Ham next week! Wembley76

10:19am Mon 17 Feb 14

redsnapper says...

And there was I thinking the Echo Scribblers were getting more pro Saints and coming up with more in depth comment and than along comes this pile of dog dirt.

The players didn't function on the day, the first eleven was less changed than Mackems and the FA Cup is just a tin pot trophy these days, with the only reward being a good day out Wembley (IF you get a ticket) and and a long season starting in July with the hopeless Europa Cup.

Team didn't click- Poch did nothing wrong. Most fans have moved on
And there was I thinking the Echo Scribblers were getting more pro Saints and coming up with more in depth comment and than along comes this pile of dog dirt. The players didn't function on the day, the first eleven was less changed than Mackems and the FA Cup is just a tin pot trophy these days, with the only reward being a good day out Wembley (IF you get a ticket) and and a long season starting in July with the hopeless Europa Cup. Team didn't click- Poch did nothing wrong. Most fans have moved on redsnapper

10:22am Mon 17 Feb 14

Poole Tom says...

If the FA Cup winners and dare I say the League Cup winners were rewarded with a place in the Champions League both competitions would be revitalized at a stroke. Unfortunately however that`s never going to happen because of the influence of the big clubs who would rather third and fourth place in the Premier League were rewarded with a Champions League place because with their almost unlimited wealth they are far more likely to qualify every year via that route( i.e. Arsenal). Consequently we all have to accept that the Premier League is king and everything else no longer matters, sadly.
If the FA Cup winners and dare I say the League Cup winners were rewarded with a place in the Champions League both competitions would be revitalized at a stroke. Unfortunately however that`s never going to happen because of the influence of the big clubs who would rather third and fourth place in the Premier League were rewarded with a Champions League place because with their almost unlimited wealth they are far more likely to qualify every year via that route( i.e. Arsenal). Consequently we all have to accept that the Premier League is king and everything else no longer matters, sadly. Poole Tom

10:24am Mon 17 Feb 14

killared says...

@Blackwaterblue

What a load of BS ! Watch more European football please then speak your mind !. Foreign coach take the Europa League seriously English team think is beneath them for example. So you saying that Foreign coach don't take the domestic cup is just ridiculous !. It is unfortunate what happen to Saint last weekend but that's football you win some and you lose some, What we need to do now is to win the next game and finisher higher than Man U and Newcastle
@Blackwaterblue What a load of BS ! Watch more European football please then speak your mind !. Foreign coach take the Europa League seriously English team think is beneath them for example. So you saying that Foreign coach don't take the domestic cup is just ridiculous !. It is unfortunate what happen to Saint last weekend but that's football you win some and you lose some, What we need to do now is to win the next game and finisher higher than Man U and Newcastle killared

10:26am Mon 17 Feb 14

Beer Monster says...

Well said redsnapper - it was a terrible game of football to watch, neither side looked that bothered and the home fans were lacklustre (many chants of "is this a library?" etc coming thick and fast from our section). Let's get back to what we do best and hammer the spammers.
Well said redsnapper - it was a terrible game of football to watch, neither side looked that bothered and the home fans were lacklustre (many chants of "is this a library?" etc coming thick and fast from our section). Let's get back to what we do best and hammer the spammers. Beer Monster

10:33am Mon 17 Feb 14

St.Winch70 says...

This thread is absolute proof that many 'fans' have very limited intelligence on footballing matters.
Do you really think that Pochettino would have been happy with the way his team played on Saturday? We fielded a team with far more premiership experience than the opposition but lost.
Not a single player came out of the game with any credit including the full internationals on show and the ones touted for future stardom.
I guarantee you that Pochettino did not pick a team to lose that game, maybe he is guilty of expecting top flight players to perform effectively for 90 minutes...
This thread is absolute proof that many 'fans' have very limited intelligence on footballing matters. Do you really think that Pochettino would have been happy with the way his team played on Saturday? We fielded a team with far more premiership experience than the opposition but lost. Not a single player came out of the game with any credit including the full internationals on show and the ones touted for future stardom. I guarantee you that Pochettino did not pick a team to lose that game, maybe he is guilty of expecting top flight players to perform effectively for 90 minutes... St.Winch70

10:35am Mon 17 Feb 14

D.Axelrod says...

He's already said that he dislikes the Europa League. Maybe if it wasn't for the punishment of entering theEuropa League if we were to win the FA Cup as a disincentive Poch might have played a stronger side and we would be in the competition. I wonder whether he's got eyes on a bigger prize next season. Champions League anyone? That could never happen with a pointless Europa League campaign next season.
He's already said that he dislikes the Europa League. Maybe if it wasn't for the punishment of entering theEuropa League if we were to win the FA Cup as a disincentive Poch might have played a stronger side and we would be in the competition. I wonder whether he's got eyes on a bigger prize next season. Champions League anyone? That could never happen with a pointless Europa League campaign next season. D.Axelrod

10:35am Mon 17 Feb 14

localnews says...

saint Compo wrote:
It was a slap in the face for Saints fans. Pocho has lost more than a Cup match with his team selection. He's alienated a lot of fans and possibly some players. Cork will be very unhappy not to have been started after saying in the week how keen he was to emulate his father who got an FA Cup winners medal with Spurs.

Pocho should make a statement to clarify his thinking. Don't hide behind Jesus.

COYR
I thought his old man got his winner's medal with Wimbledon (1-0 win over Liverpool)
[quote][p][bold]saint Compo[/bold] wrote: It was a slap in the face for Saints fans. Pocho has lost more than a Cup match with his team selection. He's alienated a lot of fans and possibly some players. Cork will be very unhappy not to have been started after saying in the week how keen he was to emulate his father who got an FA Cup winners medal with Spurs. Pocho should make a statement to clarify his thinking. Don't hide behind Jesus. COYR[/p][/quote]I thought his old man got his winner's medal with Wimbledon (1-0 win over Liverpool) localnews

10:37am Mon 17 Feb 14

Clever Dick says...

Tony in Liberia wrote:
Ok, let's get some perspective here.

We would probably all agree that Guly had his worst 45 minutes for us, and probably shouldn't have been in the team.

Other than that, this wasn't a team that disrespected the cup. Up front, we had Llalana & Lambert, probably our two biggest heroes.

Midfield, we had Wanyama, our biggest signing still at the club, & Ward-Prowse, who a few days ago many of us were saying should go to the World Cup in Brasil, and in any case should be a mainstay of the England team for years to come. Beside them we had Davis, one of our best performers all year.

In defense, Shaw & Clyne are two of our best players, and again people are talking of them going to the world cup.

WIth Lovren unavailable, Maya has looked pretty good beside Fonte, but with him having gashed shins it made sense to play Hooveild. And they did pretty well; Sunderland only had one shot all game, and that was a wonder-strike that the guy would probably put over the bar 9 times out of ten.

Davies in goal - you have to keep the goalie fresh, and that shot would of beaten almost any keeper in the world.

So, not a bad team - the problem was that they played complete carp.

Should we blame Poch for Lambert putting it over the bar from 3 yards? Should we blame Poch because JWP scuffed his shot into the ground? Should we blame Poch because Shaw & Clyne didn't put in a decent cross all game? For Llalana producing one of his worst games so far? For Wanyama & JWP playing as if they'd never even met each other before?

No, if you're going to blame anyone for this, blame the players before Poch; this team was good enough, but they just didn't play.

That happens sometimes; maybe they started believing their nbame was on the cup? They were playing like a team who believed they deserved to win the game befoer it had started, and didn't need to put in the effort that's always required.

It's true that Poch doesn't want the Europa League, and maybe that had an effect on the urgency he put into his team talk, we'll never know. But I believe everyone at St Mary's wanted to win this game; they just messed it up on the day. That happens - let's get over it! This has still been a great season, this team is still performing amazingly, and this was one game where we just didn't play.

And as for Jesus' comments, what else should he say? It's ok for the fans to go crazy, but he & the managemtn team have to keep the team going for the rest of hte season, and they won't do that by slagging off anyone, ranting about the performance, or letting negativity into the team. Their job is to keep the spirit up, keep the team believing, and keep them focussed on the next game, the next goal. Maybe he phrased it badly, but he didn't have Poch's translator.

Yes, I'm gutted we are out of the Cup - apart from anything else, I would of won £3,000 on Betfair - but we'll get much further accepting that this was a game where weplayed within the limits of the squad available to us, and that some of our best players had incredibly off days.

And then we move on to the next game, and moving up the league if possible.
He's a bit like Marmite at the moment then. I agree with pretty much eveything you say here. For those of you who love MoPo the good new is that he is surely staying if he isn't interested in the Europa cup next season. If he is planning to leave then what a great way to go by winning a trophy.
[quote][p][bold]Tony in Liberia[/bold] wrote: Ok, let's get some perspective here. We would probably all agree that Guly had his worst 45 minutes for us, and probably shouldn't have been in the team. Other than that, this wasn't a team that disrespected the cup. Up front, we had Llalana & Lambert, probably our two biggest heroes. Midfield, we had Wanyama, our biggest signing still at the club, & Ward-Prowse, who a few days ago many of us were saying should go to the World Cup in Brasil, and in any case should be a mainstay of the England team for years to come. Beside them we had Davis, one of our best performers all year. In defense, Shaw & Clyne are two of our best players, and again people are talking of them going to the world cup. WIth Lovren unavailable, Maya has looked pretty good beside Fonte, but with him having gashed shins it made sense to play Hooveild. And they did pretty well; Sunderland only had one shot all game, and that was a wonder-strike that the guy would probably put over the bar 9 times out of ten. Davies in goal - you have to keep the goalie fresh, and that shot would of beaten almost any keeper in the world. So, not a bad team - the problem was that they played complete carp. Should we blame Poch for Lambert putting it over the bar from 3 yards? Should we blame Poch because JWP scuffed his shot into the ground? Should we blame Poch because Shaw & Clyne didn't put in a decent cross all game? For Llalana producing one of his worst games so far? For Wanyama & JWP playing as if they'd never even met each other before? No, if you're going to blame anyone for this, blame the players before Poch; this team was good enough, but they just didn't play. That happens sometimes; maybe they started believing their nbame was on the cup? They were playing like a team who believed they deserved to win the game befoer it had started, and didn't need to put in the effort that's always required. It's true that Poch doesn't want the Europa League, and maybe that had an effect on the urgency he put into his team talk, we'll never know. But I believe everyone at St Mary's wanted to win this game; they just messed it up on the day. That happens - let's get over it! This has still been a great season, this team is still performing amazingly, and this was one game where we just didn't play. And as for Jesus' comments, what else should he say? It's ok for the fans to go crazy, but he & the managemtn team have to keep the team going for the rest of hte season, and they won't do that by slagging off anyone, ranting about the performance, or letting negativity into the team. Their job is to keep the spirit up, keep the team believing, and keep them focussed on the next game, the next goal. Maybe he phrased it badly, but he didn't have Poch's translator. Yes, I'm gutted we are out of the Cup - apart from anything else, I would of won £3,000 on Betfair - but we'll get much further accepting that this was a game where weplayed within the limits of the squad available to us, and that some of our best players had incredibly off days. And then we move on to the next game, and moving up the league if possible.[/p][/quote]He's a bit like Marmite at the moment then. I agree with pretty much eveything you say here. For those of you who love MoPo the good new is that he is surely staying if he isn't interested in the Europa cup next season. If he is planning to leave then what a great way to go by winning a trophy. Clever Dick

10:38am Mon 17 Feb 14

D.Axelrod says...

Just to make clear I'm not saying we can finish in the tope four this season, but next. Who knows, and by the way I'd have loved to win the cup. Just have to agree Europa is a load of rubbish and just trying to look on the bright side.
Just to make clear I'm not saying we can finish in the tope four this season, but next. Who knows, and by the way I'd have loved to win the cup. Just have to agree Europa is a load of rubbish and just trying to look on the bright side. D.Axelrod

10:42am Mon 17 Feb 14

SWAYTHLING SAINT says...

And of course the thread police will claim that those fans who are angry aren't proper Saints fans. An excellent chance for a Wembley day out....gone. I feel most sorry for the supporters who made the long trip up there, they deserved better.
And of course the thread police will claim that those fans who are angry aren't proper Saints fans. An excellent chance for a Wembley day out....gone. I feel most sorry for the supporters who made the long trip up there, they deserved better. SWAYTHLING SAINT

10:44am Mon 17 Feb 14

Confucious says...

Unless we can get a hold of a time machine, there's no changing Saturday's result - though of course if we do manage to do so then changes would made by MoPo and everyone concerned second time around.

Meanwhile, everyone can influence the future.

The players and fans were clearly down at the final whistle on Saturday. We need everyone to be up for the Spam match and the rest of the season - and it's essential the club recaptures it's positive mood. This setback could be the cause of renewed effort and vigour - or the cause of a serious decline.

I agree with all those who now say we need to "move on." Frankly, there's nowhere else to go. COYR!
Unless we can get a hold of a time machine, there's no changing Saturday's result - though of course if we do manage to do so then changes would made by MoPo and everyone concerned second time around. Meanwhile, everyone can influence the future. The players and fans were clearly down at the final whistle on Saturday. We need everyone to be up for the Spam match and the rest of the season - and it's essential the club recaptures it's positive mood. This setback could be the cause of renewed effort and vigour - or the cause of a serious decline. I agree with all those who now say we need to "move on." Frankly, there's nowhere else to go. COYR! Confucious

10:53am Mon 17 Feb 14

swesaint says...

saint Compo wrote:
It was a slap in the face for Saints fans. Pocho has lost more than a Cup match with his team selection. He's alienated a lot of fans and possibly some players. Cork will be very unhappy not to have been started after saying in the week how keen he was to emulate his father who got an FA Cup winners medal with Spurs.

Pocho should make a statement to clarify his thinking. Don't hide behind Jesus.

COYR
If you feel alienated bby the club after this we are probably better off without you
[quote][p][bold]saint Compo[/bold] wrote: It was a slap in the face for Saints fans. Pocho has lost more than a Cup match with his team selection. He's alienated a lot of fans and possibly some players. Cork will be very unhappy not to have been started after saying in the week how keen he was to emulate his father who got an FA Cup winners medal with Spurs. Pocho should make a statement to clarify his thinking. Don't hide behind Jesus. COYR[/p][/quote]If you feel alienated bby the club after this we are probably better off without you swesaint

10:55am Mon 17 Feb 14

Clever Dick says...

We played a weakened team in this round and we played a weakened team in every other round as well I really don't understand all the rubbish being spoken about the Europa league either. There is nothing to stop us playing the u21s in that if we want too, but the fact remains that we had to win the cup for that to happen. Even if we had won this game we were probably no better than 1 to 4 to win it. We had 3 very good chances to score in the game and failed to do so. They had a wonder strike that went in. That's football. It happens Yes it was disappointing that we played poorly as well but that was down to the players on the pitch. Probabably a lot of the anger is being directed at Jesus because his English is not exactly great either. Nevertheless he has held the reins for all the previous rounds so there is absolutely no change in club policy there either.
We played a weakened team in this round and we played a weakened team in every other round as well I really don't understand all the rubbish being spoken about the Europa league either. There is nothing to stop us playing the u21s in that if we want too, but the fact remains that we had to win the cup for that to happen. Even if we had won this game we were probably no better than 1 to 4 to win it. We had 3 very good chances to score in the game and failed to do so. They had a wonder strike that went in. That's football. It happens Yes it was disappointing that we played poorly as well but that was down to the players on the pitch. Probabably a lot of the anger is being directed at Jesus because his English is not exactly great either. Nevertheless he has held the reins for all the previous rounds so there is absolutely no change in club policy there either. Clever Dick

10:56am Mon 17 Feb 14

Jesus_02 says...

If you look at the majority of the selections separately you can see the reasoning. But put simply too many changes where made, I don’t think anyone would have been confident when looking at the team sheet.

I was born in 77 and I’m desperate for saints to win something other than the JPT. I think they expected to win with the team they put out. MoPo is a good manager but he’s still learning.
If you look at the majority of the selections separately you can see the reasoning. But put simply too many changes where made, I don’t think anyone would have been confident when looking at the team sheet. I was born in 77 and I’m desperate for saints to win something other than the JPT. I think they expected to win with the team they put out. MoPo is a good manager but he’s still learning. Jesus_02

10:58am Mon 17 Feb 14

seany1966 says...

We lost .. gutted by the team selection & performance ...Move on.... nothing more to see here...
We lost .. gutted by the team selection & performance ...Move on.... nothing more to see here... seany1966

11:00am Mon 17 Feb 14

Alicesdad says...

I don't know what's going on !
What's happening ?
I don't know what's going on ! What's happening ? Alicesdad

11:05am Mon 17 Feb 14

Clever Dick says...

Confucious wrote:
Unless we can get a hold of a time machine, there's no changing Saturday's result - though of course if we do manage to do so then changes would made by MoPo and everyone concerned second time around.

Meanwhile, everyone can influence the future.

The players and fans were clearly down at the final whistle on Saturday. We need everyone to be up for the Spam match and the rest of the season - and it's essential the club recaptures it's positive mood. This setback could be the cause of renewed effort and vigour - or the cause of a serious decline.

I agree with all those who now say we need to "move on." Frankly, there's nowhere else to go. COYR!
Actually I' have just this morning perfected a design for a time machine. Unfortunately It will only go back two days so I'm not prepared to release details until one day after the next £100million rollover on the Eurolottery.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Unless we can get a hold of a time machine, there's no changing Saturday's result - though of course if we do manage to do so then changes would made by MoPo and everyone concerned second time around. Meanwhile, everyone can influence the future. The players and fans were clearly down at the final whistle on Saturday. We need everyone to be up for the Spam match and the rest of the season - and it's essential the club recaptures it's positive mood. This setback could be the cause of renewed effort and vigour - or the cause of a serious decline. I agree with all those who now say we need to "move on." Frankly, there's nowhere else to go. COYR![/p][/quote]Actually I' have just this morning perfected a design for a time machine. Unfortunately It will only go back two days so I'm not prepared to release details until one day after the next £100million rollover on the Eurolottery. Clever Dick

11:08am Mon 17 Feb 14

Jesus_02 says...

george chivers wrote:
Tony in Liberia wrote: Ok, let's get some perspective here. We would probably all agree that Guly had his worst 45 minutes for us, and probably shouldn't have been in the team. Other than that, this wasn't a team that disrespected the cup. Up front, we had Llalana & Lambert, probably our two biggest heroes. Midfield, we had Wanyama, our biggest signing still at the club, & Ward-Prowse, who a few days ago many of us were saying should go to the World Cup in Brasil, and in any case should be a mainstay of the England team for years to come. Beside them we had Davis, one of our best performers all year. In defense, Shaw & Clyne are two of our best players, and again people are talking of them going to the world cup. WIth Lovren unavailable, Maya has looked pretty good beside Fonte, but with him having gashed shins it made sense to play Hooveild. And they did pretty well; Sunderland only had one shot all game, and that was a wonder-strike that the guy would probably put over the bar 9 times out of ten. Davies in goal - you have to keep the goalie fresh, and that shot would of beaten almost any keeper in the world. So, not a bad team - the problem was that they played complete carp. Should we blame Poch for Lambert putting it over the bar from 3 yards? Should we blame Poch because JWP scuffed his shot into the ground? Should we blame Poch because Shaw & Clyne didn't put in a decent cross all game? For Llalana producing one of his worst games so far? For Wanyama & JWP playing as if they'd never even met each other before? No, if you're going to blame anyone for this, blame the players before Poch; this team was good enough, but they just didn't play. That happens sometimes; maybe they started believing their nbame was on the cup? They were playing like a team who believed they deserved to win the game befoer it had started, and didn't need to put in the effort that's always required. It's true that Poch doesn't want the Europa League, and maybe that had an effect on the urgency he put into his team talk, we'll never know. But I believe everyone at St Mary's wanted to win this game; they just messed it up on the day. That happens - let's get over it! This has still been a great season, this team is still performing amazingly, and this was one game where we just didn't play. And as for Jesus' comments, what else should he say? It's ok for the fans to go crazy, but he & the managemtn team have to keep the team going for the rest of hte season, and they won't do that by slagging off anyone, ranting about the performance, or letting negativity into the team. Their job is to keep the spirit up, keep the team believing, and keep them focussed on the next game, the next goal. Maybe he phrased it badly, but he didn't have Poch's translator. Yes, I'm gutted we are out of the Cup - apart from anything else, I would of won £3,000 on Betfair - but we'll get much further accepting that this was a game where weplayed within the limits of the squad available to us, and that some of our best players had incredibly off days. And then we move on to the next game, and moving up the league if possible.
Tony, all of your comments are valid. But you forget about the way we played. We didn't press the ball in the Sunderland half, we played through mid-field from the back which is not our normal game plan. And we played with a much deeper back four than usual and the management team were never seen in the technical area urging the back four to push up to the half way line. That is a major change from our normal way of playing in the league. We were set up to give Sunderland every chance of winning and they did. it will be interesting to see if the same tactics are employed in future league games if we get into a position where we can qualify for the Europa Cup by league position It will also be interesting to see if the attendance at the next home game drops below the average gate of about 28,000. I can fully understand why Poch did what he did because of the attendant risks of qualifying for the Europa Cup. That in its self is a good business decision and a very good personal decision for himself to protect his job next season. But if the attendances drop I hope the club understands why. As it is I think we have had only one full house this season, which I believe is down to the way we play and the lack of chances we create and the general lack of entertainment our style of play generates. Although of course our points tally and league position is much improved. But points aren't everything. People pay to be entertained, not to be frustrated and sometimes bored by possession football, especially at home where are record is not outstanding in terms of wins. And that is why some of us want to see us do well in the Cup, because cup ties against premiere league rivals should be full on, with a full first team, going for it regardless! But the FA cup is not the competition it was and for teams like Southampton the financial incentive is to get knocked out not to progress. I also think Sunderland didn't want to win either which was reflected in their team selection. Getting through has worsened their chances of staying in the Premiere League without any doubt. A shame. The top clubs in the PL with excessive money have all the power and are supported indirectly by the idiots in UEFA who could solve the problem by running the Europa Cup as a free draw, two leg knockout competition. Then it would be worth entering and in turn make the FA Cup a worthwhile competition again. And of course it would do the same for the rest of the cup competitions in Europe. But there is no doubt in my mind our team selection and tactics on Saturday were made with deliberate failure in mind. Not to lose on purpose of course but to give Sunderland ever opportunity of winning.
"...the way we play and the lack of chances we create and the general lack of entertainment our style of play generates."

Really?
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tony in Liberia[/bold] wrote: Ok, let's get some perspective here. We would probably all agree that Guly had his worst 45 minutes for us, and probably shouldn't have been in the team. Other than that, this wasn't a team that disrespected the cup. Up front, we had Llalana & Lambert, probably our two biggest heroes. Midfield, we had Wanyama, our biggest signing still at the club, & Ward-Prowse, who a few days ago many of us were saying should go to the World Cup in Brasil, and in any case should be a mainstay of the England team for years to come. Beside them we had Davis, one of our best performers all year. In defense, Shaw & Clyne are two of our best players, and again people are talking of them going to the world cup. WIth Lovren unavailable, Maya has looked pretty good beside Fonte, but with him having gashed shins it made sense to play Hooveild. And they did pretty well; Sunderland only had one shot all game, and that was a wonder-strike that the guy would probably put over the bar 9 times out of ten. Davies in goal - you have to keep the goalie fresh, and that shot would of beaten almost any keeper in the world. So, not a bad team - the problem was that they played complete carp. Should we blame Poch for Lambert putting it over the bar from 3 yards? Should we blame Poch because JWP scuffed his shot into the ground? Should we blame Poch because Shaw & Clyne didn't put in a decent cross all game? For Llalana producing one of his worst games so far? For Wanyama & JWP playing as if they'd never even met each other before? No, if you're going to blame anyone for this, blame the players before Poch; this team was good enough, but they just didn't play. That happens sometimes; maybe they started believing their nbame was on the cup? They were playing like a team who believed they deserved to win the game befoer it had started, and didn't need to put in the effort that's always required. It's true that Poch doesn't want the Europa League, and maybe that had an effect on the urgency he put into his team talk, we'll never know. But I believe everyone at St Mary's wanted to win this game; they just messed it up on the day. That happens - let's get over it! This has still been a great season, this team is still performing amazingly, and this was one game where we just didn't play. And as for Jesus' comments, what else should he say? It's ok for the fans to go crazy, but he & the managemtn team have to keep the team going for the rest of hte season, and they won't do that by slagging off anyone, ranting about the performance, or letting negativity into the team. Their job is to keep the spirit up, keep the team believing, and keep them focussed on the next game, the next goal. Maybe he phrased it badly, but he didn't have Poch's translator. Yes, I'm gutted we are out of the Cup - apart from anything else, I would of won £3,000 on Betfair - but we'll get much further accepting that this was a game where weplayed within the limits of the squad available to us, and that some of our best players had incredibly off days. And then we move on to the next game, and moving up the league if possible.[/p][/quote]Tony, all of your comments are valid. But you forget about the way we played. We didn't press the ball in the Sunderland half, we played through mid-field from the back which is not our normal game plan. And we played with a much deeper back four than usual and the management team were never seen in the technical area urging the back four to push up to the half way line. That is a major change from our normal way of playing in the league. We were set up to give Sunderland every chance of winning and they did. it will be interesting to see if the same tactics are employed in future league games if we get into a position where we can qualify for the Europa Cup by league position It will also be interesting to see if the attendance at the next home game drops below the average gate of about 28,000. I can fully understand why Poch did what he did because of the attendant risks of qualifying for the Europa Cup. That in its self is a good business decision and a very good personal decision for himself to protect his job next season. But if the attendances drop I hope the club understands why. As it is I think we have had only one full house this season, which I believe is down to the way we play and the lack of chances we create and the general lack of entertainment our style of play generates. Although of course our points tally and league position is much improved. But points aren't everything. People pay to be entertained, not to be frustrated and sometimes bored by possession football, especially at home where are record is not outstanding in terms of wins. And that is why some of us want to see us do well in the Cup, because cup ties against premiere league rivals should be full on, with a full first team, going for it regardless! But the FA cup is not the competition it was and for teams like Southampton the financial incentive is to get knocked out not to progress. I also think Sunderland didn't want to win either which was reflected in their team selection. Getting through has worsened their chances of staying in the Premiere League without any doubt. A shame. The top clubs in the PL with excessive money have all the power and are supported indirectly by the idiots in UEFA who could solve the problem by running the Europa Cup as a free draw, two leg knockout competition. Then it would be worth entering and in turn make the FA Cup a worthwhile competition again. And of course it would do the same for the rest of the cup competitions in Europe. But there is no doubt in my mind our team selection and tactics on Saturday were made with deliberate failure in mind. Not to lose on purpose of course but to give Sunderland ever opportunity of winning.[/p][/quote]"...the way we play and the lack of chances we create and the general lack of entertainment our style of play generates." Really? Jesus_02

11:11am Mon 17 Feb 14

killared says...

I'm a Saint Fan but some comment on here about the Europa League are just awful. Who are we to says that the Europa League is useless or awful. I don't really care if you lots on here bad mouth me but at the moment we are just an English team in the EPL and that's it !. It's our 2nd season in the EPL and yes we are doing really well and Pochettino don't like the Europa League but he has no experience in Europe so if we are in Europa league we should be grateful because that will put us on the European map and the coach will get some experience. I don't really understand why we are so picky it's not like we've been in Champions League constantly and suddenly end up in Europa League yes that would be a disgrace !. I'm really sure some fans would love the odd away day in some East European country so Red Army cheer up what happen Saturday was an accident and let's beat a rugby team Saturday !
I'm a Saint Fan but some comment on here about the Europa League are just awful. Who are we to says that the Europa League is useless or awful. I don't really care if you lots on here bad mouth me but at the moment we are just an English team in the EPL and that's it !. It's our 2nd season in the EPL and yes we are doing really well and Pochettino don't like the Europa League but he has no experience in Europe so if we are in Europa league we should be grateful because that will put us on the European map and the coach will get some experience. I don't really understand why we are so picky it's not like we've been in Champions League constantly and suddenly end up in Europa League yes that would be a disgrace !. I'm really sure some fans would love the odd away day in some East European country so Red Army cheer up what happen Saturday was an accident and let's beat a rugby team Saturday ! killared

11:14am Mon 17 Feb 14

Confucious says...

Alicesdad wrote:
I don't know what's going on !
What's happening ?
It's "Depression Monday". Loads of Saints fans have been on here wishing their parents had never met. One has even gone so far as to tie his budgie's swing to the top of its' cage. Only the ones who are usually moaning and gloomy on here have managed to completely turn things around - going from being miserable and depressed to depressed and miserable.

But worry not - it all ends soon. Anger officially switches from MoPo to Fat Sam at 10.15am Tuesday.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: I don't know what's going on ! What's happening ?[/p][/quote]It's "Depression Monday". Loads of Saints fans have been on here wishing their parents had never met. One has even gone so far as to tie his budgie's swing to the top of its' cage. Only the ones who are usually moaning and gloomy on here have managed to completely turn things around - going from being miserable and depressed to depressed and miserable. But worry not - it all ends soon. Anger officially switches from MoPo to Fat Sam at 10.15am Tuesday. Confucious

11:15am Mon 17 Feb 14

Velleity says...

Inviting flak here but it's interesting that it was Guly/Kelvin/Hoover's fault.

No-one but Nathan performed anything like as well as normal, so pinning the blame entirely on the three players you all love to hate is a bit harsh.

I presume Rickie's miss wasn't seen by any of you as I haven't noticed it being mentioned too much. Yes, we've had a nice deep analysis of Kelvin being to blame for their goal but not a word of criticism about SRL missing an open goal from 3 yards. That alone would have saved the tie yet it's not permissible to comment on it for some reason - we need to round up the usual suspects for total blame.

It was a poor TEAM performance.

Now, onwards and upwards to beat Wet Hoof.
Inviting flak here but it's interesting that it was Guly/Kelvin/Hoover's fault. No-one but Nathan performed anything like as well as normal, so pinning the blame entirely on the three players you all love to hate is a bit harsh. I presume Rickie's miss wasn't seen by any of you as I haven't noticed it being mentioned too much. Yes, we've had a nice deep analysis of Kelvin being to blame for their goal but not a word of criticism about SRL missing an open goal from 3 yards. That alone would have saved the tie yet it's not permissible to comment on it for some reason - we need to round up the usual suspects for total blame. It was a poor TEAM performance. Now, onwards and upwards to beat Wet Hoof. Velleity

11:19am Mon 17 Feb 14

Dubai-saints89 says...

beating Sunderland would have meant more money for us and a real possible chance of taking the fans to Wembley for a great day out and possibly...just possibly winning the trophy and sealing a European spot. you cant have a go at the fans for being disappointed with the team/management. they have the right to be angry and point fingers.
lets be honest here, most saints fans would love to have see saints achieve something like that that in our 2nd season in the top flight. it would show everyone how far we have come + boost the chances of our England boys going to the WC.
losing to Sunderland means we now have more work to do in order to climb the table. and achieve something out of the league which is a 6th spot..maybe..just maybe 5th which will be a lot harder with United, spurs, everton and Newcastle lurking around.
basically we could have achieved so much more in the Cup as we are already guaranteed a Finnish in the top 10.
if your happy with that then i seriously doubt what you actually want us to gain from this season
beating Sunderland would have meant more money for us and a real possible chance of taking the fans to Wembley for a great day out and possibly...just possibly winning the trophy and sealing a European spot. you cant have a go at the fans for being disappointed with the team/management. they have the right to be angry and point fingers. lets be honest here, most saints fans would love to have see saints achieve something like that that in our 2nd season in the top flight. it would show everyone how far we have come + boost the chances of our England boys going to the WC. losing to Sunderland means we now have more work to do in order to climb the table. and achieve something out of the league which is a 6th spot..maybe..just maybe 5th which will be a lot harder with United, spurs, everton and Newcastle lurking around. basically we could have achieved so much more in the Cup as we are already guaranteed a Finnish in the top 10. if your happy with that then i seriously doubt what you actually want us to gain from this season Dubai-saints89

11:19am Mon 17 Feb 14

allsaintsnocurves says...

The fact is Saints played 3 players who are in the first team squad but you wouldn't class as 1st choice. They have all started games for Saints this season so you would expect the manager to have faith in them and the rest of the players. The team didn't perform as it can but only lost by 1 goal and had 2 great chances that on another day would have gone in. This was a cup game and anything could have happened. Saints lost. We are all disappointed but 1 bad game does not make a bad manager or a bad team.

We move on in the Southampton Way! Together as one.
The fact is Saints played 3 players who are in the first team squad but you wouldn't class as 1st choice. They have all started games for Saints this season so you would expect the manager to have faith in them and the rest of the players. The team didn't perform as it can but only lost by 1 goal and had 2 great chances that on another day would have gone in. This was a cup game and anything could have happened. Saints lost. We are all disappointed but 1 bad game does not make a bad manager or a bad team. We move on in the Southampton Way! Together as one. allsaintsnocurves

11:41am Mon 17 Feb 14

Saint. says...

Simply DE you do not speak for me!

I have said many times in MP we have the best manager and we are very fortunate to have him!! Long may it continue as this guy will deliver success to Southampton FC!!
Simply DE you do not speak for me! I have said many times in MP we have the best manager and we are very fortunate to have him!! Long may it continue as this guy will deliver success to Southampton FC!! Saint.

11:57am Mon 17 Feb 14

Rising_Son says...

SaintAsh1964 wrote:
I think we really need to ask the question is MoPo the man to take us forward.
Plays a weakened team in the a Cup game again,( ok fair enough against lower League opposition, but not against a team in the same league playing well), which has cost us a Cup run, extra revenue and momentum in the League.
Has stated that he doesnt fancy/want to qualify for the Europa League, so how do we progress?
We are not going to jump straight to the Champions League are we? so whats the point of doing well in the League and finishing as high as we can, when effectively we are limited to 7th place under MoPo.
I dont think the likes of Lallana, Shaw, Schneiderlin etal are going to be happy with that type of ambition from the Manager.
If we want to progress over the next 3-7 years as a club, we have to learn how to play European football from the bottom up, not the other way around and that means following in the footsteps of Spurs, Swansea, Newcastle, who have qualified for the Europa League and are finding out what is needed from their players and what is required of the Management of the Club.
And finally, it's not the case of loosing a game, but the manner in which we lost, its no coincidence that below par performances have resulted from playing a weakened team, surely its best to play the strongest team, go ahead in the game AND then rest your best players.
UTS
Yep, the experience of playing in the Europa Cup seems to have taught Swansea and Newcastle, at least, not to bother with it again.
[quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: I think we really need to ask the question is MoPo the man to take us forward. Plays a weakened team in the a Cup game again,( ok fair enough against lower League opposition, but not against a team in the same league playing well), which has cost us a Cup run, extra revenue and momentum in the League. Has stated that he doesnt fancy/want to qualify for the Europa League, so how do we progress? We are not going to jump straight to the Champions League are we? so whats the point of doing well in the League and finishing as high as we can, when effectively we are limited to 7th place under MoPo. I dont think the likes of Lallana, Shaw, Schneiderlin etal are going to be happy with that type of ambition from the Manager. If we want to progress over the next 3-7 years as a club, we have to learn how to play European football from the bottom up, not the other way around and that means following in the footsteps of Spurs, Swansea, Newcastle, who have qualified for the Europa League and are finding out what is needed from their players and what is required of the Management of the Club. And finally, it's not the case of loosing a game, but the manner in which we lost, its no coincidence that below par performances have resulted from playing a weakened team, surely its best to play the strongest team, go ahead in the game AND then rest your best players. UTS[/p][/quote]Yep, the experience of playing in the Europa Cup seems to have taught Swansea and Newcastle, at least, not to bother with it again. Rising_Son

12:07pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Saintsayer II says...

Tony in Liberia wrote:
Ok, let's get some perspective here.

We would probably all agree that Guly had his worst 45 minutes for us, and probably shouldn't have been in the team.

Other than that, this wasn't a team that disrespected the cup. Up front, we had Llalana & Lambert, probably our two biggest heroes.

Midfield, we had Wanyama, our biggest signing still at the club, & Ward-Prowse, who a few days ago many of us were saying should go to the World Cup in Brasil, and in any case should be a mainstay of the England team for years to come. Beside them we had Davis, one of our best performers all year.

In defense, Shaw & Clyne are two of our best players, and again people are talking of them going to the world cup.

WIth Lovren unavailable, Maya has looked pretty good beside Fonte, but with him having gashed shins it made sense to play Hooveild. And they did pretty well; Sunderland only had one shot all game, and that was a wonder-strike that the guy would probably put over the bar 9 times out of ten.

Davies in goal - you have to keep the goalie fresh, and that shot would of beaten almost any keeper in the world.

So, not a bad team - the problem was that they played complete carp.

Should we blame Poch for Lambert putting it over the bar from 3 yards? Should we blame Poch because JWP scuffed his shot into the ground? Should we blame Poch because Shaw & Clyne didn't put in a decent cross all game? For Llalana producing one of his worst games so far? For Wanyama & JWP playing as if they'd never even met each other before?

No, if you're going to blame anyone for this, blame the players before Poch; this team was good enough, but they just didn't play.

That happens sometimes; maybe they started believing their nbame was on the cup? They were playing like a team who believed they deserved to win the game befoer it had started, and didn't need to put in the effort that's always required.

It's true that Poch doesn't want the Europa League, and maybe that had an effect on the urgency he put into his team talk, we'll never know. But I believe everyone at St Mary's wanted to win this game; they just messed it up on the day. That happens - let's get over it! This has still been a great season, this team is still performing amazingly, and this was one game where we just didn't play.

And as for Jesus' comments, what else should he say? It's ok for the fans to go crazy, but he & the managemtn team have to keep the team going for the rest of hte season, and they won't do that by slagging off anyone, ranting about the performance, or letting negativity into the team. Their job is to keep the spirit up, keep the team believing, and keep them focussed on the next game, the next goal. Maybe he phrased it badly, but he didn't have Poch's translator.

Yes, I'm gutted we are out of the Cup - apart from anything else, I would of won £3,000 on Betfair - but we'll get much further accepting that this was a game where weplayed within the limits of the squad available to us, and that some of our best players had incredibly off days.

And then we move on to the next game, and moving up the league if possible.
And what happens if ,when we reach the last game of the season against Man Utd , the winner gets the last Europa League spot Will MoPo put out a team of reserves/youngsters to avoid getting to the highest possible league position
What he did on Saturday and what he proposes for the rest of the season is nothing short of fraud
[quote][p][bold]Tony in Liberia[/bold] wrote: Ok, let's get some perspective here. We would probably all agree that Guly had his worst 45 minutes for us, and probably shouldn't have been in the team. Other than that, this wasn't a team that disrespected the cup. Up front, we had Llalana & Lambert, probably our two biggest heroes. Midfield, we had Wanyama, our biggest signing still at the club, & Ward-Prowse, who a few days ago many of us were saying should go to the World Cup in Brasil, and in any case should be a mainstay of the England team for years to come. Beside them we had Davis, one of our best performers all year. In defense, Shaw & Clyne are two of our best players, and again people are talking of them going to the world cup. WIth Lovren unavailable, Maya has looked pretty good beside Fonte, but with him having gashed shins it made sense to play Hooveild. And they did pretty well; Sunderland only had one shot all game, and that was a wonder-strike that the guy would probably put over the bar 9 times out of ten. Davies in goal - you have to keep the goalie fresh, and that shot would of beaten almost any keeper in the world. So, not a bad team - the problem was that they played complete carp. Should we blame Poch for Lambert putting it over the bar from 3 yards? Should we blame Poch because JWP scuffed his shot into the ground? Should we blame Poch because Shaw & Clyne didn't put in a decent cross all game? For Llalana producing one of his worst games so far? For Wanyama & JWP playing as if they'd never even met each other before? No, if you're going to blame anyone for this, blame the players before Poch; this team was good enough, but they just didn't play. That happens sometimes; maybe they started believing their nbame was on the cup? They were playing like a team who believed they deserved to win the game befoer it had started, and didn't need to put in the effort that's always required. It's true that Poch doesn't want the Europa League, and maybe that had an effect on the urgency he put into his team talk, we'll never know. But I believe everyone at St Mary's wanted to win this game; they just messed it up on the day. That happens - let's get over it! This has still been a great season, this team is still performing amazingly, and this was one game where we just didn't play. And as for Jesus' comments, what else should he say? It's ok for the fans to go crazy, but he & the managemtn team have to keep the team going for the rest of hte season, and they won't do that by slagging off anyone, ranting about the performance, or letting negativity into the team. Their job is to keep the spirit up, keep the team believing, and keep them focussed on the next game, the next goal. Maybe he phrased it badly, but he didn't have Poch's translator. Yes, I'm gutted we are out of the Cup - apart from anything else, I would of won £3,000 on Betfair - but we'll get much further accepting that this was a game where weplayed within the limits of the squad available to us, and that some of our best players had incredibly off days. And then we move on to the next game, and moving up the league if possible.[/p][/quote]And what happens if ,when we reach the last game of the season against Man Utd , the winner gets the last Europa League spot Will MoPo put out a team of reserves/youngsters to avoid getting to the highest possible league position What he did on Saturday and what he proposes for the rest of the season is nothing short of fraud Saintsayer II

12:28pm Mon 17 Feb 14

jonnyP says...

Lets look at the facts:
On another day Big Vic would have gone thru Gardiner & he would not have had the opportunity to score; Lallana & SRL would both have scored & JWP would have lashed that 1st half chance in the back of the net & we'd have won 3-0 & been singing MoPo's praises for his team selection.
The team just had an off day- it's a shame but one of those things.
We will continue to improve & play better in the majority of our games.
Let us not get too down hearted.
COYS !!!
Lets look at the facts: On another day Big Vic would have gone thru Gardiner & he would not have had the opportunity to score; Lallana & SRL would both have scored & JWP would have lashed that 1st half chance in the back of the net & we'd have won 3-0 & been singing MoPo's praises for his team selection. The team just had an off day- it's a shame but one of those things. We will continue to improve & play better in the majority of our games. Let us not get too down hearted. COYS !!! jonnyP

12:31pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Outside of the Box says...

The whole thing was a debacle from start to finish. The most important game of our season? Yeah right, it sure didn't look like that, the Manager not talking to the media, That's his right as he isn't contracted to do so, as he is in the EPL, the selection was or wasn't good enough? all have palyed in the Prem this year, (apart from the young substitute) The local paper reporting MoPo don't really want Europa League next season, from the bloke who hasn't signed a contract beyond the summer. Some fans moaning some fans not, I would only moan if I had travelled to Sunderland, the magic of the FA Cup,,,,it used to be great,,,until semi-finals got played at Wembley,,, for me the FA destroyed that magic as soon as they had to pay for the new Wembley.

Bottom line is, you cannot please all of the fans all of the time, we have a game on Saturday against Wet Spam let go forward and put the debacle of Saturday behind us,,,,Together As One
The whole thing was a debacle from start to finish. The most important game of our season? Yeah right, it sure didn't look like that, the Manager not talking to the media, That's his right as he isn't contracted to do so, as he is in the EPL, the selection was or wasn't good enough? all have palyed in the Prem this year, (apart from the young substitute) The local paper reporting MoPo don't really want Europa League next season, from the bloke who hasn't signed a contract beyond the summer. Some fans moaning some fans not, I would only moan if I had travelled to Sunderland, the magic of the FA Cup,,,,it used to be great,,,until semi-finals got played at Wembley,,, for me the FA destroyed that magic as soon as they had to pay for the new Wembley. Bottom line is, you cannot please all of the fans all of the time, we have a game on Saturday against Wet Spam let go forward and put the debacle of Saturday behind us,,,,Together As One Outside of the Box

12:32pm Mon 17 Feb 14

TheSaintsSoothsayer says...

Can't be bothered to read the essays above, noticeably from people who don't even live in the UK.! I guess they'd soon be on a plane over for a Wembley date!!

Why doesn't Pochetinno do league or FA Cup interviews? I appreciate he never has done but answer me why not?

Why didn't he start with a full, premier league side and when he was 2 or 3 nil up, take them off & rightly, play the fringe players? If we had lost the game at least we could have said "He put out his best team" We can't say that.
Jos Hoiveld in 11 BPL games has never won
Kelvin Davis in his whole Sunderland & Saints career has only ever kept 2 (Yes, TWO) clean sheets!

In my opinion, Pochetinno threw the best chance we've had since 2003 of winning some real silverware. He has treated the travelling fans with disdain. He has treated the FA Cup with disdain.

Pochetinno has acted disgracefully.

I wish Southampton Football Club well in trying to sell cup tickets next season

Simon Carter, I wholeheartedly agree with your article.
Can't be bothered to read the essays above, noticeably from people who don't even live in the UK.! I guess they'd soon be on a plane over for a Wembley date!! Why doesn't Pochetinno do league or FA Cup interviews? I appreciate he never has done but answer me why not? Why didn't he start with a full, premier league side and when he was 2 or 3 nil up, take them off & rightly, play the fringe players? If we had lost the game at least we could have said "He put out his best team" We can't say that. Jos Hoiveld in 11 BPL games has never won Kelvin Davis in his whole Sunderland & Saints career has only ever kept 2 (Yes, TWO) clean sheets! In my opinion, Pochetinno threw the best chance we've had since 2003 of winning some real silverware. He has treated the travelling fans with disdain. He has treated the FA Cup with disdain. Pochetinno has acted disgracefully. I wish Southampton Football Club well in trying to sell cup tickets next season Simon Carter, I wholeheartedly agree with your article. TheSaintsSoothsayer

12:37pm Mon 17 Feb 14

el caballo santos101 says...

SWAYTHLING SAINT wrote:
And of course the thread police will claim that those fans who are angry aren't proper Saints fans. An excellent chance for a Wembley day out....gone. I feel most sorry for the supporters who made the long trip up there, they deserved better.
Your at it again swaythling, you have another go at the `thread police`, so who are they? and who has been told that they aren't a proper fan because they are angry? (the only people I have seen called not fans are the ones who aren't saying that they are angry or blaming certain players)

whilst we talking about certain players, yesterday you said that the `guly fans got their wish` and `it was a shame that danny fox didn't play`.
you never answered my questions yesterday so I thought I would do the decent thing and give you the opportunity to answer them again, please be assured that I am not trying to claim that you are not a proper fan and I am not trying to `police` the threads, just giving you the chance to clarify your statements, so.
who are the `guly fans`?
what was their `wish`?
please explain why the result was `gulys fault` again remember to add fox to your answers as we clearly would have been so much worse with him playing.
don't be ashamed of your opinions as I for one will not say you are not a proper fan if they differ from mine.
[quote][p][bold]SWAYTHLING SAINT[/bold] wrote: And of course the thread police will claim that those fans who are angry aren't proper Saints fans. An excellent chance for a Wembley day out....gone. I feel most sorry for the supporters who made the long trip up there, they deserved better.[/p][/quote]Your at it again swaythling, you have another go at the `thread police`, so who are they? and who has been told that they aren't a proper fan because they are angry? (the only people I have seen called not fans are the ones who aren't saying that they are angry or blaming certain players) whilst we talking about certain players, yesterday you said that the `guly fans got their wish` and `it was a shame that danny fox didn't play`. you never answered my questions yesterday so I thought I would do the decent thing and give you the opportunity to answer them again, please be assured that I am not trying to claim that you are not a proper fan and I am not trying to `police` the threads, just giving you the chance to clarify your statements, so. who are the `guly fans`? what was their `wish`? please explain why the result was `gulys fault` again remember to add fox to your answers as we clearly would have been so much worse with him playing. don't be ashamed of your opinions as I for one will not say you are not a proper fan if they differ from mine. el caballo santos101

12:38pm Mon 17 Feb 14

SaintAsh1964 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
I think we really need to ask the question is MoPo the man to take us forward.
Plays a weakened team in the a Cup game again,( ok fair enough against lower League opposition, but not against a team in the same league playing well), which has cost us a Cup run, extra revenue and momentum in the League.
Has stated that he doesnt fancy/want to qualify for the Europa League, so how do we progress?
We are not going to jump straight to the Champions League are we? so whats the point of doing well in the League and finishing as high as we can, when effectively we are limited to 7th place under MoPo.
I dont think the likes of Lallana, Shaw, Schneiderlin etal are going to be happy with that type of ambition from the Manager.
If we want to progress over the next 3-7 years as a club, we have to learn how to play European football from the bottom up, not the other way around and that means following in the footsteps of Spurs, Swansea, Newcastle, who have qualified for the Europa League and are finding out what is needed from their players and what is required of the Management of the Club.
And finally, it's not the case of loosing a game, but the manner in which we lost, its no coincidence that below par performances have resulted from playing a weakened team, surely its best to play the strongest team, go ahead in the game AND then rest your best players.
UTS
Yep, the experience of playing in the Europa Cup seems to have taught Swansea and Newcastle, at least, not to bother with it again.
I notice you don't include Spurs, who if and when they qualify for the champions League will have the experience of European football behind them and had Michu had been fit then Swansea would have had a better season.
My point is, how can we gain experience against European clubs if we have a Manager that is not interested in qualifying for European football?
It doesn't make sense to me not to finish as high as possible and try to win Silverware, I mean that is MoPo's job isint it?
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: I think we really need to ask the question is MoPo the man to take us forward. Plays a weakened team in the a Cup game again,( ok fair enough against lower League opposition, but not against a team in the same league playing well), which has cost us a Cup run, extra revenue and momentum in the League. Has stated that he doesnt fancy/want to qualify for the Europa League, so how do we progress? We are not going to jump straight to the Champions League are we? so whats the point of doing well in the League and finishing as high as we can, when effectively we are limited to 7th place under MoPo. I dont think the likes of Lallana, Shaw, Schneiderlin etal are going to be happy with that type of ambition from the Manager. If we want to progress over the next 3-7 years as a club, we have to learn how to play European football from the bottom up, not the other way around and that means following in the footsteps of Spurs, Swansea, Newcastle, who have qualified for the Europa League and are finding out what is needed from their players and what is required of the Management of the Club. And finally, it's not the case of loosing a game, but the manner in which we lost, its no coincidence that below par performances have resulted from playing a weakened team, surely its best to play the strongest team, go ahead in the game AND then rest your best players. UTS[/p][/quote]Yep, the experience of playing in the Europa Cup seems to have taught Swansea and Newcastle, at least, not to bother with it again.[/p][/quote]I notice you don't include Spurs, who if and when they qualify for the champions League will have the experience of European football behind them and had Michu had been fit then Swansea would have had a better season. My point is, how can we gain experience against European clubs if we have a Manager that is not interested in qualifying for European football? It doesn't make sense to me not to finish as high as possible and try to win Silverware, I mean that is MoPo's job isint it? SaintAsh1964

12:41pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Beer Monster says...

Velleity wrote:
Inviting flak here but it's interesting that it was Guly/Kelvin/Hoover's fault.

No-one but Nathan performed anything like as well as normal, so pinning the blame entirely on the three players you all love to hate is a bit harsh.

I presume Rickie's miss wasn't seen by any of you as I haven't noticed it being mentioned too much. Yes, we've had a nice deep analysis of Kelvin being to blame for their goal but not a word of criticism about SRL missing an open goal from 3 yards. That alone would have saved the tie yet it's not permissible to comment on it for some reason - we need to round up the usual suspects for total blame.

It was a poor TEAM performance.

Now, onwards and upwards to beat Wet Hoof.
Not at all - the all round performance was gash, neither team looked like they wanted the poisoned chalice that was a place in the quarter finals. I'm not singling out anyone, because they should all be ashamed of themselves. The only things that kept me going were the humorous chants from our fans and the anticipation of a few pints in Newcastle later on.

And yeah, Rickie's miss - do you wonder if he had a bet on or something? My granny could have scored that...

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[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: Inviting flak here but it's interesting that it was Guly/Kelvin/Hoover's fault. No-one but Nathan performed anything like as well as normal, so pinning the blame entirely on the three players you all love to hate is a bit harsh. I presume Rickie's miss wasn't seen by any of you as I haven't noticed it being mentioned too much. Yes, we've had a nice deep analysis of Kelvin being to blame for their goal but not a word of criticism about SRL missing an open goal from 3 yards. That alone would have saved the tie yet it's not permissible to comment on it for some reason - we need to round up the usual suspects for total blame. It was a poor TEAM performance. Now, onwards and upwards to beat Wet Hoof.[/p][/quote]Not at all - the all round performance was gash, neither team looked like they wanted the poisoned chalice that was a place in the quarter finals. I'm not singling out anyone, because they should all be ashamed of themselves. The only things that kept me going were the humorous chants from our fans and the anticipation of a few pints in Newcastle later on. And yeah, Rickie's miss - do you wonder if he had a bet on or something? My granny could have scored that... http://metro.co.uk/2 014/02/15/rickie-lam bert-misses-absolute -sitter-as-southampt on-crash-out-of-fa-c up-to-sunderland-430 5612/ Beer Monster

12:46pm Mon 17 Feb 14

WobblyCat says...

Tony in Liberia wrote:
Ok, let's get some perspective here.

We would probably all agree that Guly had his worst 45 minutes for us, and probably shouldn't have been in the team.

Other than that, this wasn't a team that disrespected the cup. Up front, we had Llalana & Lambert, probably our two biggest heroes.

Midfield, we had Wanyama, our biggest signing still at the club, & Ward-Prowse, who a few days ago many of us were saying should go to the World Cup in Brasil, and in any case should be a mainstay of the England team for years to come. Beside them we had Davis, one of our best performers all year.

In defense, Shaw & Clyne are two of our best players, and again people are talking of them going to the world cup.

WIth Lovren unavailable, Maya has looked pretty good beside Fonte, but with him having gashed shins it made sense to play Hooveild. And they did pretty well; Sunderland only had one shot all game, and that was a wonder-strike that the guy would probably put over the bar 9 times out of ten.

Davies in goal - you have to keep the goalie fresh, and that shot would of beaten almost any keeper in the world.

So, not a bad team - the problem was that they played complete carp.

Should we blame Poch for Lambert putting it over the bar from 3 yards? Should we blame Poch because JWP scuffed his shot into the ground? Should we blame Poch because Shaw & Clyne didn't put in a decent cross all game? For Llalana producing one of his worst games so far? For Wanyama & JWP playing as if they'd never even met each other before?

No, if you're going to blame anyone for this, blame the players before Poch; this team was good enough, but they just didn't play.

That happens sometimes; maybe they started believing their nbame was on the cup? They were playing like a team who believed they deserved to win the game befoer it had started, and didn't need to put in the effort that's always required.

It's true that Poch doesn't want the Europa League, and maybe that had an effect on the urgency he put into his team talk, we'll never know. But I believe everyone at St Mary's wanted to win this game; they just messed it up on the day. That happens - let's get over it! This has still been a great season, this team is still performing amazingly, and this was one game where we just didn't play.

And as for Jesus' comments, what else should he say? It's ok for the fans to go crazy, but he & the managemtn team have to keep the team going for the rest of hte season, and they won't do that by slagging off anyone, ranting about the performance, or letting negativity into the team. Their job is to keep the spirit up, keep the team believing, and keep them focussed on the next game, the next goal. Maybe he phrased it badly, but he didn't have Poch's translator.

Yes, I'm gutted we are out of the Cup - apart from anything else, I would of won £3,000 on Betfair - but we'll get much further accepting that this was a game where weplayed within the limits of the squad available to us, and that some of our best players had incredibly off days.

And then we move on to the next game, and moving up the league if possible.
You always make calm, thoughtful posts but I can’t agree with this one. We can talk about the fact that we had some first choice, quality players in the team but fielding a much changed side affects the consistency and quality of the way we play as a unit. I know Sunderland made 9 changes and are below us etc etc but this is all moot to me. Play your best side! If we are still abysmal and lose then ok it's a bad day at the office but as far as I'm concerned we had the bad day before we even kicked off. If we were in Sunderland’s position I would understand the changes but what are we trying to protect? This will never sit right with me.
[quote][p][bold]Tony in Liberia[/bold] wrote: Ok, let's get some perspective here. We would probably all agree that Guly had his worst 45 minutes for us, and probably shouldn't have been in the team. Other than that, this wasn't a team that disrespected the cup. Up front, we had Llalana & Lambert, probably our two biggest heroes. Midfield, we had Wanyama, our biggest signing still at the club, & Ward-Prowse, who a few days ago many of us were saying should go to the World Cup in Brasil, and in any case should be a mainstay of the England team for years to come. Beside them we had Davis, one of our best performers all year. In defense, Shaw & Clyne are two of our best players, and again people are talking of them going to the world cup. WIth Lovren unavailable, Maya has looked pretty good beside Fonte, but with him having gashed shins it made sense to play Hooveild. And they did pretty well; Sunderland only had one shot all game, and that was a wonder-strike that the guy would probably put over the bar 9 times out of ten. Davies in goal - you have to keep the goalie fresh, and that shot would of beaten almost any keeper in the world. So, not a bad team - the problem was that they played complete carp. Should we blame Poch for Lambert putting it over the bar from 3 yards? Should we blame Poch because JWP scuffed his shot into the ground? Should we blame Poch because Shaw & Clyne didn't put in a decent cross all game? For Llalana producing one of his worst games so far? For Wanyama & JWP playing as if they'd never even met each other before? No, if you're going to blame anyone for this, blame the players before Poch; this team was good enough, but they just didn't play. That happens sometimes; maybe they started believing their nbame was on the cup? They were playing like a team who believed they deserved to win the game befoer it had started, and didn't need to put in the effort that's always required. It's true that Poch doesn't want the Europa League, and maybe that had an effect on the urgency he put into his team talk, we'll never know. But I believe everyone at St Mary's wanted to win this game; they just messed it up on the day. That happens - let's get over it! This has still been a great season, this team is still performing amazingly, and this was one game where we just didn't play. And as for Jesus' comments, what else should he say? It's ok for the fans to go crazy, but he & the managemtn team have to keep the team going for the rest of hte season, and they won't do that by slagging off anyone, ranting about the performance, or letting negativity into the team. Their job is to keep the spirit up, keep the team believing, and keep them focussed on the next game, the next goal. Maybe he phrased it badly, but he didn't have Poch's translator. Yes, I'm gutted we are out of the Cup - apart from anything else, I would of won £3,000 on Betfair - but we'll get much further accepting that this was a game where weplayed within the limits of the squad available to us, and that some of our best players had incredibly off days. And then we move on to the next game, and moving up the league if possible.[/p][/quote]You always make calm, thoughtful posts but I can’t agree with this one. We can talk about the fact that we had some first choice, quality players in the team but fielding a much changed side affects the consistency and quality of the way we play as a unit. I know Sunderland made 9 changes and are below us etc etc but this is all moot to me. Play your best side! If we are still abysmal and lose then ok it's a bad day at the office but as far as I'm concerned we had the bad day before we even kicked off. If we were in Sunderland’s position I would understand the changes but what are we trying to protect? This will never sit right with me. WobblyCat

12:48pm Mon 17 Feb 14

jls217 says...

We don't have a particularly large squad - every now and then a player will need to be rested or be injured enough not to be available for selection. This team was not a bad team on paper, unfortunately football is played on the grass and when they stepped into their office it all went wrong for them. None of them performed particularly well as individuals and as a unit it just all went wrong for them. Sooner or later they had to have an off day and this weekend was it. Poch is, in my humble opinion, a damned good manager and deserves our respect and support when it doesn't come off for him and from time to time it's bound to go tits up. Gotta love Saints for the smiles they put on my face not for the occasional grimace.
We don't have a particularly large squad - every now and then a player will need to be rested or be injured enough not to be available for selection. This team was not a bad team on paper, unfortunately football is played on the grass and when they stepped into their office it all went wrong for them. None of them performed particularly well as individuals and as a unit it just all went wrong for them. Sooner or later they had to have an off day and this weekend was it. Poch is, in my humble opinion, a damned good manager and deserves our respect and support when it doesn't come off for him and from time to time it's bound to go tits up. Gotta love Saints for the smiles they put on my face not for the occasional grimace. jls217

1:03pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Dubai-saints89 says...

TheSaintsSoothsayer wrote:
Can't be bothered to read the essays above, noticeably from people who don't even live in the UK.! I guess they'd soon be on a plane over for a Wembley date!!

Why doesn't Pochetinno do league or FA Cup interviews? I appreciate he never has done but answer me why not?

Why didn't he start with a full, premier league side and when he was 2 or 3 nil up, take them off & rightly, play the fringe players? If we had lost the game at least we could have said "He put out his best team" We can't say that.
Jos Hoiveld in 11 BPL games has never won
Kelvin Davis in his whole Sunderland & Saints career has only ever kept 2 (Yes, TWO) clean sheets!

In my opinion, Pochetinno threw the best chance we've had since 2003 of winning some real silverware. He has treated the travelling fans with disdain. He has treated the FA Cup with disdain.

Pochetinno has acted disgracefully.

I wish Southampton Football Club well in trying to sell cup tickets next season

Simon Carter, I wholeheartedly agree with your article.
and so what if we dont live in the UK? are their restriction on certain saints fan who can/cannot comment on the game? if there was a wembley date you'd be surprised how many saints fans living abroad would fly over. hope your enjoying the crappy weather while i walk around the sun in my saints shirt.
[quote][p][bold]TheSaintsSoothsayer[/bold] wrote: Can't be bothered to read the essays above, noticeably from people who don't even live in the UK.! I guess they'd soon be on a plane over for a Wembley date!! Why doesn't Pochetinno do league or FA Cup interviews? I appreciate he never has done but answer me why not? Why didn't he start with a full, premier league side and when he was 2 or 3 nil up, take them off & rightly, play the fringe players? If we had lost the game at least we could have said "He put out his best team" We can't say that. Jos Hoiveld in 11 BPL games has never won Kelvin Davis in his whole Sunderland & Saints career has only ever kept 2 (Yes, TWO) clean sheets! In my opinion, Pochetinno threw the best chance we've had since 2003 of winning some real silverware. He has treated the travelling fans with disdain. He has treated the FA Cup with disdain. Pochetinno has acted disgracefully. I wish Southampton Football Club well in trying to sell cup tickets next season Simon Carter, I wholeheartedly agree with your article.[/p][/quote]and so what if we dont live in the UK? are their restriction on certain saints fan who can/cannot comment on the game? if there was a wembley date you'd be surprised how many saints fans living abroad would fly over. hope your enjoying the crappy weather while i walk around the sun in my saints shirt. Dubai-saints89

1:06pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Buckmas says...

Having made the previous trip to Sunderland for the last cup match where we made so many changes I thought we would have learnt our lesson. Always play your strongest team I think the club or players should refund the costs for the supporters who made that trip after such a poor display with so much to play for. This year the way that the cup draw has been pitting the top four together opened up the door to a trip to Wembley. I must say Good Luck to Sunderland and all the best as they won fair and square. It's just the way that we set ourselves up for this match was wrong citing fatigue from a Tuesday night match to the Saturday does not wear at this stage of the season if the players are not match fit by now they never will be . MP knows his strongest team as do most of the fans that is why we are upset at the cup exit. I will never slag off individual players as they all wear red and white. It's that the team selected was not the strongest collectively and those who have followed our club for an extended period of time know only too well what it takes to get to a Cup Final or Semi and when the door is open why not do everything to progress. Signed from a Saints Season ticket holder who is now thinking WHY !
Having made the previous trip to Sunderland for the last cup match where we made so many changes I thought we would have learnt our lesson. Always play your strongest team I think the club or players should refund the costs for the supporters who made that trip after such a poor display with so much to play for. This year the way that the cup draw has been pitting the top four together opened up the door to a trip to Wembley. I must say Good Luck to Sunderland and all the best as they won fair and square. It's just the way that we set ourselves up for this match was wrong citing fatigue from a Tuesday night match to the Saturday does not wear at this stage of the season if the players are not match fit by now they never will be . MP knows his strongest team as do most of the fans that is why we are upset at the cup exit. I will never slag off individual players as they all wear red and white. It's that the team selected was not the strongest collectively and those who have followed our club for an extended period of time know only too well what it takes to get to a Cup Final or Semi and when the door is open why not do everything to progress. Signed from a Saints Season ticket holder who is now thinking WHY ! Buckmas

1:10pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Rising_Son says...

SaintAsh1964 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
I think we really need to ask the question is MoPo the man to take us forward.
Plays a weakened team in the a Cup game again,( ok fair enough against lower League opposition, but not against a team in the same league playing well), which has cost us a Cup run, extra revenue and momentum in the League.
Has stated that he doesnt fancy/want to qualify for the Europa League, so how do we progress?
We are not going to jump straight to the Champions League are we? so whats the point of doing well in the League and finishing as high as we can, when effectively we are limited to 7th place under MoPo.
I dont think the likes of Lallana, Shaw, Schneiderlin etal are going to be happy with that type of ambition from the Manager.
If we want to progress over the next 3-7 years as a club, we have to learn how to play European football from the bottom up, not the other way around and that means following in the footsteps of Spurs, Swansea, Newcastle, who have qualified for the Europa League and are finding out what is needed from their players and what is required of the Management of the Club.
And finally, it's not the case of loosing a game, but the manner in which we lost, its no coincidence that below par performances have resulted from playing a weakened team, surely its best to play the strongest team, go ahead in the game AND then rest your best players.
UTS
Yep, the experience of playing in the Europa Cup seems to have taught Swansea and Newcastle, at least, not to bother with it again.
I notice you don't include Spurs, who if and when they qualify for the champions League will have the experience of European football behind them and had Michu had been fit then Swansea would have had a better season.
My point is, how can we gain experience against European clubs if we have a Manager that is not interested in qualifying for European football?
It doesn't make sense to me not to finish as high as possible and try to win Silverware, I mean that is MoPo's job isint it?
My point is that it hasn't done much for the likes of Swansea, Newcastle, Wigan or the skates? And they clearly outnumber spuds.
[quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: I think we really need to ask the question is MoPo the man to take us forward. Plays a weakened team in the a Cup game again,( ok fair enough against lower League opposition, but not against a team in the same league playing well), which has cost us a Cup run, extra revenue and momentum in the League. Has stated that he doesnt fancy/want to qualify for the Europa League, so how do we progress? We are not going to jump straight to the Champions League are we? so whats the point of doing well in the League and finishing as high as we can, when effectively we are limited to 7th place under MoPo. I dont think the likes of Lallana, Shaw, Schneiderlin etal are going to be happy with that type of ambition from the Manager. If we want to progress over the next 3-7 years as a club, we have to learn how to play European football from the bottom up, not the other way around and that means following in the footsteps of Spurs, Swansea, Newcastle, who have qualified for the Europa League and are finding out what is needed from their players and what is required of the Management of the Club. And finally, it's not the case of loosing a game, but the manner in which we lost, its no coincidence that below par performances have resulted from playing a weakened team, surely its best to play the strongest team, go ahead in the game AND then rest your best players. UTS[/p][/quote]Yep, the experience of playing in the Europa Cup seems to have taught Swansea and Newcastle, at least, not to bother with it again.[/p][/quote]I notice you don't include Spurs, who if and when they qualify for the champions League will have the experience of European football behind them and had Michu had been fit then Swansea would have had a better season. My point is, how can we gain experience against European clubs if we have a Manager that is not interested in qualifying for European football? It doesn't make sense to me not to finish as high as possible and try to win Silverware, I mean that is MoPo's job isint it?[/p][/quote]My point is that it hasn't done much for the likes of Swansea, Newcastle, Wigan or the skates? And they clearly outnumber spuds. Rising_Son

1:27pm Mon 17 Feb 14

SaintJD says...

Golden_Salamander wrote:
If the FA Cup is so important to the fans, why did only 15k turn up for the 3rd round match against Burnley ?.

It is only a few fans who are living in the old days where the FA Cup was as important as the league, IT IS NOT ANY MORE since the Sky money has put all the importance on league position and the 50% who did not turn up for than match against Burnley realise that (I went by the way).

The FA could change this overnight by giving the 4th CL place to the winners of the FA Cup, but while the current allocation exists the important games are the league games.

Pochettino realises that,,so do 50% of the fans, so do the Management of the Club who put all the PERFORMACE RELATED BONUSES (trips to Las Vegus / South of france in previous years) on a TOP 8 position.

Some fans need to wake up and stop living in the past. Wigan (last season) and the Cheats in previous seasons TRY TO BIG UP the FA Cup but it is unimportant these days just look at their league position.
Fans don't turn up because the clubs disrespect the competition and play under strength teams.

Love MP clearly, but the changes on Saturday were pointless and the only positive was JWP getting a game - giving Guly, Kelvin and Hoover game time, while keeping them happy, isn't progressive - our strongest side has more of a focus on youth.

What it does show is that our absolute priority if we are to keep progressing is to strengthen the depth of our squad.

Forget buying a 'world class' striker - it was clear over December and on Saturday that the dip in our form when we turn to the likes of Hoover, Fox (when he was here) and Kelvin is far too big for us to sustain a decent challenge.

Once we have that sorted we can look to buy that world class striker, but one thing at a time.

It's a shame that we've wasted two brilliant opportunities to win something this season because in all fairness seasons like this one don't come along very often - Sunderland have a League Cup final and a good draw in the FA Cup to look forward to and, while I clearly wouldn't swap our position or style of play in a million years, with a tiny bit of extra effort in the cups we could have had the best of both worlds.

And I wouldn't have bet against us beating either Arsenal or Man City in a one off cup game either.
[quote][p][bold]Golden_Salamander[/bold] wrote: If the FA Cup is so important to the fans, why did only 15k turn up for the 3rd round match against Burnley ?. It is only a few fans who are living in the old days where the FA Cup was as important as the league, IT IS NOT ANY MORE since the Sky money has put all the importance on league position and the 50% who did not turn up for than match against Burnley realise that (I went by the way). The FA could change this overnight by giving the 4th CL place to the winners of the FA Cup, but while the current allocation exists the important games are the league games. Pochettino realises that,,so do 50% of the fans, so do the Management of the Club who put all the PERFORMACE RELATED BONUSES (trips to Las Vegus / South of france in previous years) on a TOP 8 position. Some fans need to wake up and stop living in the past. Wigan (last season) and the Cheats in previous seasons TRY TO BIG UP the FA Cup but it is unimportant these days just look at their league position.[/p][/quote]Fans don't turn up because the clubs disrespect the competition and play under strength teams. Love MP clearly, but the changes on Saturday were pointless and the only positive was JWP getting a game - giving Guly, Kelvin and Hoover game time, while keeping them happy, isn't progressive - our strongest side has more of a focus on youth. What it does show is that our absolute priority if we are to keep progressing is to strengthen the depth of our squad. Forget buying a 'world class' striker - it was clear over December and on Saturday that the dip in our form when we turn to the likes of Hoover, Fox (when he was here) and Kelvin is far too big for us to sustain a decent challenge. Once we have that sorted we can look to buy that world class striker, but one thing at a time. It's a shame that we've wasted two brilliant opportunities to win something this season because in all fairness seasons like this one don't come along very often - Sunderland have a League Cup final and a good draw in the FA Cup to look forward to and, while I clearly wouldn't swap our position or style of play in a million years, with a tiny bit of extra effort in the cups we could have had the best of both worlds. And I wouldn't have bet against us beating either Arsenal or Man City in a one off cup game either. SaintJD

1:27pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Saint Surrey says...

TheSaintsSoothsayer wrote:
Can't be bothered to read the essays above, noticeably from people who don't even live in the UK.! I guess they'd soon be on a plane over for a Wembley date!!

Why doesn't Pochetinno do league or FA Cup interviews? I appreciate he never has done but answer me why not?

Why didn't he start with a full, premier league side and when he was 2 or 3 nil up, take them off & rightly, play the fringe players? If we had lost the game at least we could have said "He put out his best team" We can't say that.
Jos Hoiveld in 11 BPL games has never won
Kelvin Davis in his whole Sunderland & Saints career has only ever kept 2 (Yes, TWO) clean sheets!

In my opinion, Pochetinno threw the best chance we've had since 2003 of winning some real silverware. He has treated the travelling fans with disdain. He has treated the FA Cup with disdain.

Pochetinno has acted disgracefully.

I wish Southampton Football Club well in trying to sell cup tickets next season

Simon Carter, I wholeheartedly agree with your article.
How can it be said that we put out a weakened or 'reserve' team? Of the starting 11, 8 were internationals at some level and 5 were full internationals for their country, with 3 or 4 being tipped to go to Brazil. They were hardly fringe players. All except McQueen are regulars in the first team squad and Guly, at least, is regularly used as a substitute.

As I saw it, we simply didn't play well and their goal would have beaten most EPL goalkeepers. Apart from that one shot, Davies had very little to do.

I don't usually post on here (this is only my 2nd post) but I regularly read the comments with interest. However, the vilification of the management team in the light of one loss appals me.

We lost - get over it!! Now let's get on with the rest of the season
[quote][p][bold]TheSaintsSoothsayer[/bold] wrote: Can't be bothered to read the essays above, noticeably from people who don't even live in the UK.! I guess they'd soon be on a plane over for a Wembley date!! Why doesn't Pochetinno do league or FA Cup interviews? I appreciate he never has done but answer me why not? Why didn't he start with a full, premier league side and when he was 2 or 3 nil up, take them off & rightly, play the fringe players? If we had lost the game at least we could have said "He put out his best team" We can't say that. Jos Hoiveld in 11 BPL games has never won Kelvin Davis in his whole Sunderland & Saints career has only ever kept 2 (Yes, TWO) clean sheets! In my opinion, Pochetinno threw the best chance we've had since 2003 of winning some real silverware. He has treated the travelling fans with disdain. He has treated the FA Cup with disdain. Pochetinno has acted disgracefully. I wish Southampton Football Club well in trying to sell cup tickets next season Simon Carter, I wholeheartedly agree with your article.[/p][/quote]How can it be said that we put out a weakened or 'reserve' team? Of the starting 11, 8 were internationals at some level and 5 were full internationals for their country, with 3 or 4 being tipped to go to Brazil. They were hardly fringe players. All except McQueen are regulars in the first team squad and Guly, at least, is regularly used as a substitute. As I saw it, we simply didn't play well and their goal would have beaten most EPL goalkeepers. Apart from that one shot, Davies had very little to do. I don't usually post on here (this is only my 2nd post) but I regularly read the comments with interest. However, the vilification of the management team in the light of one loss appals me. We lost - get over it!! Now let's get on with the rest of the season Saint Surrey

1:27pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Saint Surrey says...

TheSaintsSoothsayer wrote:
Can't be bothered to read the essays above, noticeably from people who don't even live in the UK.! I guess they'd soon be on a plane over for a Wembley date!!

Why doesn't Pochetinno do league or FA Cup interviews? I appreciate he never has done but answer me why not?

Why didn't he start with a full, premier league side and when he was 2 or 3 nil up, take them off & rightly, play the fringe players? If we had lost the game at least we could have said "He put out his best teamHow can it be said that we put out a weakened or 'reserve' team? Of the starting 11, 8 were internationals at some level and 5 were full internationals for their country, with 3 or 4 being tipped to go to Brazil. They were hardly fringe players. All except McQueen are regulars in the first team squad and Guly, at least, is regularly used as a substitute.

As I saw it, we simply didn't play well and their goal would have beaten most EPL goalkeepers. Apart from that one shot, Davies had very little to do.

I don't usually post on here (this is only my 2nd post) but I regularly read the comments with interest. However, the vilification of the management team in the light of one loss appals me.

We lost - get over it!! Now let's get on with the rest of the season
[quote][p][bold]TheSaintsSoothsayer[/bold] wrote: Can't be bothered to read the essays above, noticeably from people who don't even live in the UK.! I guess they'd soon be on a plane over for a Wembley date!! Why doesn't Pochetinno do league or FA Cup interviews? I appreciate he never has done but answer me why not? Why didn't he start with a full, premier league side and when he was 2 or 3 nil up, take them off & rightly, play the fringe players? If we had lost the game at least we could have said "He put out his best teamHow can it be said that we put out a weakened or 'reserve' team? Of the starting 11, 8 were internationals at some level and 5 were full internationals for their country, with 3 or 4 being tipped to go to Brazil. They were hardly fringe players. All except McQueen are regulars in the first team squad and Guly, at least, is regularly used as a substitute. As I saw it, we simply didn't play well and their goal would have beaten most EPL goalkeepers. Apart from that one shot, Davies had very little to do. I don't usually post on here (this is only my 2nd post) but I regularly read the comments with interest. However, the vilification of the management team in the light of one loss appals me. We lost - get over it!! Now let's get on with the rest of the season Saint Surrey

1:28pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Saintsayer II says...

Saint. wrote:
Simply DE you do not speak for me!

I have said many times in MP we have the best manager and we are very fortunate to have him!! Long may it continue as this guy will deliver success to Southampton FC!!
You may think so I couldn't possibly comment
[quote][p][bold]Saint.[/bold] wrote: Simply DE you do not speak for me! I have said many times in MP we have the best manager and we are very fortunate to have him!! Long may it continue as this guy will deliver success to Southampton FC!![/p][/quote]You may think so I couldn't possibly comment Saintsayer II

1:30pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Jan28th1984 says...

Stop stirring it up Echo - the game is done now and the moment is gone. We've all had our whinge and hopefully the club has taken note and learned from it.
Poch was a good manager last week, a good manager this week, and will be a good manager next week, that hasn't changed.
Next game is West Ham away and that is where the focus should be now - three points and continue chasing Manchester United for 7th spot.
Get in Saints.
Stop stirring it up Echo - the game is done now and the moment is gone. We've all had our whinge and hopefully the club has taken note and learned from it. Poch was a good manager last week, a good manager this week, and will be a good manager next week, that hasn't changed. Next game is West Ham away and that is where the focus should be now - three points and continue chasing Manchester United for 7th spot. Get in Saints. Jan28th1984

1:30pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Confucious wrote:
Unless we can get a hold of a time machine, there's no changing Saturday's result - though of course if we do manage to do so then changes would made by MoPo and everyone concerned second time around.

Meanwhile, everyone can influence the future.

The players and fans were clearly down at the final whistle on Saturday. We need everyone to be up for the Spam match and the rest of the season - and it's essential the club recaptures it's positive mood. This setback could be the cause of renewed effort and vigour - or the cause of a serious decline.

I agree with all those who now say we need to "move on." Frankly, there's nowhere else to go. COYR!
Who wouldn't be down after a performance like that?
Fans are always up for it,but its the players who need to be up for it at the end of the day.They are professionals,that's what they are paid for,if they appear not to be making the sort of effort which their grossly inflated salaries require of them,then the fans have every right to feel cheated.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Unless we can get a hold of a time machine, there's no changing Saturday's result - though of course if we do manage to do so then changes would made by MoPo and everyone concerned second time around. Meanwhile, everyone can influence the future. The players and fans were clearly down at the final whistle on Saturday. We need everyone to be up for the Spam match and the rest of the season - and it's essential the club recaptures it's positive mood. This setback could be the cause of renewed effort and vigour - or the cause of a serious decline. I agree with all those who now say we need to "move on." Frankly, there's nowhere else to go. COYR![/p][/quote]Who wouldn't be down after a performance like that? Fans are always up for it,but its the players who need to be up for it at the end of the day.They are professionals,that's what they are paid for,if they appear not to be making the sort of effort which their grossly inflated salaries require of them,then the fans have every right to feel cheated. Positively4thStreet

1:39pm Mon 17 Feb 14

SaintAsh1964 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
I think we really need to ask the question is MoPo the man to take us forward.
Plays a weakened team in the a Cup game again,( ok fair enough against lower League opposition, but not against a team in the same league playing well), which has cost us a Cup run, extra revenue and momentum in the League.
Has stated that he doesnt fancy/want to qualify for the Europa League, so how do we progress?
We are not going to jump straight to the Champions League are we? so whats the point of doing well in the League and finishing as high as we can, when effectively we are limited to 7th place under MoPo.
I dont think the likes of Lallana, Shaw, Schneiderlin etal are going to be happy with that type of ambition from the Manager.
If we want to progress over the next 3-7 years as a club, we have to learn how to play European football from the bottom up, not the other way around and that means following in the footsteps of Spurs, Swansea, Newcastle, who have qualified for the Europa League and are finding out what is needed from their players and what is required of the Management of the Club.
And finally, it's not the case of loosing a game, but the manner in which we lost, its no coincidence that below par performances have resulted from playing a weakened team, surely its best to play the strongest team, go ahead in the game AND then rest your best players.
UTS
Yep, the experience of playing in the Europa Cup seems to have taught Swansea and Newcastle, at least, not to bother with it again.
I notice you don't include Spurs, who if and when they qualify for the champions League will have the experience of European football behind them and had Michu had been fit then Swansea would have had a better season.
My point is, how can we gain experience against European clubs if we have a Manager that is not interested in qualifying for European football?
It doesn't make sense to me not to finish as high as possible and try to win Silverware, I mean that is MoPo's job isint it?
My point is that it hasn't done much for the likes of Swansea, Newcastle, Wigan or the skates? And they clearly outnumber spuds.
So we are limited to 8th spot then, don't push to high up the League and play the under 18's in all cup games.
Sorted.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: I think we really need to ask the question is MoPo the man to take us forward. Plays a weakened team in the a Cup game again,( ok fair enough against lower League opposition, but not against a team in the same league playing well), which has cost us a Cup run, extra revenue and momentum in the League. Has stated that he doesnt fancy/want to qualify for the Europa League, so how do we progress? We are not going to jump straight to the Champions League are we? so whats the point of doing well in the League and finishing as high as we can, when effectively we are limited to 7th place under MoPo. I dont think the likes of Lallana, Shaw, Schneiderlin etal are going to be happy with that type of ambition from the Manager. If we want to progress over the next 3-7 years as a club, we have to learn how to play European football from the bottom up, not the other way around and that means following in the footsteps of Spurs, Swansea, Newcastle, who have qualified for the Europa League and are finding out what is needed from their players and what is required of the Management of the Club. And finally, it's not the case of loosing a game, but the manner in which we lost, its no coincidence that below par performances have resulted from playing a weakened team, surely its best to play the strongest team, go ahead in the game AND then rest your best players. UTS[/p][/quote]Yep, the experience of playing in the Europa Cup seems to have taught Swansea and Newcastle, at least, not to bother with it again.[/p][/quote]I notice you don't include Spurs, who if and when they qualify for the champions League will have the experience of European football behind them and had Michu had been fit then Swansea would have had a better season. My point is, how can we gain experience against European clubs if we have a Manager that is not interested in qualifying for European football? It doesn't make sense to me not to finish as high as possible and try to win Silverware, I mean that is MoPo's job isint it?[/p][/quote]My point is that it hasn't done much for the likes of Swansea, Newcastle, Wigan or the skates? And they clearly outnumber spuds.[/p][/quote]So we are limited to 8th spot then, don't push to high up the League and play the under 18's in all cup games. Sorted. SaintAsh1964

1:41pm Mon 17 Feb 14

SaintJD says...

Saint Surrey wrote:
TheSaintsSoothsayer wrote:
Can't be bothered to read the essays above, noticeably from people who don't even live in the UK.! I guess they'd soon be on a plane over for a Wembley date!!

Why doesn't Pochetinno do league or FA Cup interviews? I appreciate he never has done but answer me why not?

Why didn't he start with a full, premier league side and when he was 2 or 3 nil up, take them off & rightly, play the fringe players? If we had lost the game at least we could have said "He put out his best team" We can't say that.
Jos Hoiveld in 11 BPL games has never won
Kelvin Davis in his whole Sunderland & Saints career has only ever kept 2 (Yes, TWO) clean sheets!

In my opinion, Pochetinno threw the best chance we've had since 2003 of winning some real silverware. He has treated the travelling fans with disdain. He has treated the FA Cup with disdain.

Pochetinno has acted disgracefully.

I wish Southampton Football Club well in trying to sell cup tickets next season

Simon Carter, I wholeheartedly agree with your article.
How can it be said that we put out a weakened or 'reserve' team? Of the starting 11, 8 were internationals at some level and 5 were full internationals for their country, with 3 or 4 being tipped to go to Brazil. They were hardly fringe players. All except McQueen are regulars in the first team squad and Guly, at least, is regularly used as a substitute.

As I saw it, we simply didn't play well and their goal would have beaten most EPL goalkeepers. Apart from that one shot, Davies had very little to do.

I don't usually post on here (this is only my 2nd post) but I regularly read the comments with interest. However, the vilification of the management team in the light of one loss appals me.

We lost - get over it!! Now let's get on with the rest of the season
I think it's more the message it sends out.

Basically - do we want to actually win anything?

If there was fixture congestion or if we weren't blooding young players in the league, fine, rotate, but we have an incredible team this season (thanks MP) and had a decent draw in both cups.

Why then is the cup not a priority and why would we not play our strongest possible team?

We are not, realistically, contenders for the league title. I think that is a reasonable thing to say.

So the Cup, whether it be FA Cup, League Cup or Europa League, is our real chance of silverware and, essentially, something to reward us for the quality of our football last season.

If you do not 100% go for these opportunities, why bother?

Swansea fans will quickly forget about the good football they played in the past couple of seasons as their form drops, but they won't forget they won a trophy.

I love MP and I love and am proud of the team he has created. That's why I'm particularly annoyed that we didn't give it our all on Saturday.
[quote][p][bold]Saint Surrey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheSaintsSoothsayer[/bold] wrote: Can't be bothered to read the essays above, noticeably from people who don't even live in the UK.! I guess they'd soon be on a plane over for a Wembley date!! Why doesn't Pochetinno do league or FA Cup interviews? I appreciate he never has done but answer me why not? Why didn't he start with a full, premier league side and when he was 2 or 3 nil up, take them off & rightly, play the fringe players? If we had lost the game at least we could have said "He put out his best team" We can't say that. Jos Hoiveld in 11 BPL games has never won Kelvin Davis in his whole Sunderland & Saints career has only ever kept 2 (Yes, TWO) clean sheets! In my opinion, Pochetinno threw the best chance we've had since 2003 of winning some real silverware. He has treated the travelling fans with disdain. He has treated the FA Cup with disdain. Pochetinno has acted disgracefully. I wish Southampton Football Club well in trying to sell cup tickets next season Simon Carter, I wholeheartedly agree with your article.[/p][/quote]How can it be said that we put out a weakened or 'reserve' team? Of the starting 11, 8 were internationals at some level and 5 were full internationals for their country, with 3 or 4 being tipped to go to Brazil. They were hardly fringe players. All except McQueen are regulars in the first team squad and Guly, at least, is regularly used as a substitute. As I saw it, we simply didn't play well and their goal would have beaten most EPL goalkeepers. Apart from that one shot, Davies had very little to do. I don't usually post on here (this is only my 2nd post) but I regularly read the comments with interest. However, the vilification of the management team in the light of one loss appals me. We lost - get over it!! Now let's get on with the rest of the season[/p][/quote]I think it's more the message it sends out. Basically - do we want to actually win anything? If there was fixture congestion or if we weren't blooding young players in the league, fine, rotate, but we have an incredible team this season (thanks MP) and had a decent draw in both cups. Why then is the cup not a priority and why would we not play our strongest possible team? We are not, realistically, contenders for the league title. I think that is a reasonable thing to say. So the Cup, whether it be FA Cup, League Cup or Europa League, is our real chance of silverware and, essentially, something to reward us for the quality of our football last season. If you do not 100% go for these opportunities, why bother? Swansea fans will quickly forget about the good football they played in the past couple of seasons as their form drops, but they won't forget they won a trophy. I love MP and I love and am proud of the team he has created. That's why I'm particularly annoyed that we didn't give it our all on Saturday. SaintJD

1:42pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Ontario Saint says...

What is the Echo trying to do? It comes across to me that the Echo is the spokesperson for the Saints fans which mos definitely they are not.
I am sure if I was Poch , it would make me very unwelcome as the Saints Manager . As such it could prove instrumental to the best Manager the Saints have ever had l leaving the Club at the end of the season.

The guy made a genuine mistake knowing the players had travelled to the North East TWICE within 3 days....they were probably suffering from fatigue.

The Ech is far far too sensational in writing GARBAGE like this and they have absolutely no right to speak for the Fans who have been delighted by what Poch has done for the Club.

Lets get behind him for the rest of the season . If Man U think they can get into the top 4 , then why should Saints not go for it too as we are only 3 ponts behind them?
What is the Echo trying to do? It comes across to me that the Echo is the spokesperson for the Saints fans which mos definitely they are not. I am sure if I was Poch , it would make me very unwelcome as the Saints Manager . As such it could prove instrumental to the best Manager the Saints have ever had l leaving the Club at the end of the season. The guy made a genuine mistake knowing the players had travelled to the North East TWICE within 3 days....they were probably suffering from fatigue. The Ech is far far too sensational in writing GARBAGE like this and they have absolutely no right to speak for the Fans who have been delighted by what Poch has done for the Club. Lets get behind him for the rest of the season . If Man U think they can get into the top 4 , then why should Saints not go for it too as we are only 3 ponts behind them? Ontario Saint

1:43pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Santa Retfordia says...

Jan28th1984 wrote:
Stop stirring it up Echo - the game is done now and the moment is gone. We've all had our whinge and hopefully the club has taken note and learned from it. Poch was a good manager last week, a good manager this week, and will be a good manager next week, that hasn't changed. Next game is West Ham away and that is where the focus should be now - three points and continue chasing Manchester United for 7th spot. Get in Saints.
Innit.

He's the most gifted manager we've ever had. Why don't we try not p1ssing him off?
[quote][p][bold]Jan28th1984[/bold] wrote: Stop stirring it up Echo - the game is done now and the moment is gone. We've all had our whinge and hopefully the club has taken note and learned from it. Poch was a good manager last week, a good manager this week, and will be a good manager next week, that hasn't changed. Next game is West Ham away and that is where the focus should be now - three points and continue chasing Manchester United for 7th spot. Get in Saints.[/p][/quote]Innit. He's the most gifted manager we've ever had. Why don't we try not p1ssing him off? Santa Retfordia

1:49pm Mon 17 Feb 14

saints fan #1 says...

Salalal wrote:
Why can't people get it into their theads that if you play K. Davis, Hooiveld and Guly in the team against Premier League opposition, you have no chance of winning? You can't blame the other players for 'not trying'. They know as well as we do that with those 3 in the team, the game has been conceded.
Shouldn't knock K. Davis and Hooiveld who have helped us progress to this level BUT they are not premier legue players and as for Guly I realy don't know what level he's on, Maybe champions legue but we wont know until we get there because he hasn't played well at any other level :)
[quote][p][bold]Salalal[/bold] wrote: Why can't people get it into their theads that if you play K. Davis, Hooiveld and Guly in the team against Premier League opposition, you have no chance of winning? You can't blame the other players for 'not trying'. They know as well as we do that with those 3 in the team, the game has been conceded.[/p][/quote]Shouldn't knock K. Davis and Hooiveld who have helped us progress to this level BUT they are not premier legue players and as for Guly I realy don't know what level he's on, Maybe champions legue but we wont know until we get there because he hasn't played well at any other level :) saints fan #1

1:50pm Mon 17 Feb 14

SaintAsh1964 says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
Jan28th1984 wrote:
Stop stirring it up Echo - the game is done now and the moment is gone. We've all had our whinge and hopefully the club has taken note and learned from it. Poch was a good manager last week, a good manager this week, and will be a good manager next week, that hasn't changed. Next game is West Ham away and that is where the focus should be now - three points and continue chasing Manchester United for 7th spot. Get in Saints.
Innit.

He's the most gifted manager we've ever had. Why don't we try not p1ssing him off?
But what is our aim?
What is the point of beating West Ham & Liverpool, we're safe, why bother?
What is the point of having our best Manager in a decade, if he doesnt want to win Silverware and qualify for European football?
WGS once said of Lowe that he moaned about the cost of reaching the FA Cup final, that is no different to MoPo not wanting to qualify for Europe!
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jan28th1984[/bold] wrote: Stop stirring it up Echo - the game is done now and the moment is gone. We've all had our whinge and hopefully the club has taken note and learned from it. Poch was a good manager last week, a good manager this week, and will be a good manager next week, that hasn't changed. Next game is West Ham away and that is where the focus should be now - three points and continue chasing Manchester United for 7th spot. Get in Saints.[/p][/quote]Innit. He's the most gifted manager we've ever had. Why don't we try not p1ssing him off?[/p][/quote]But what is our aim? What is the point of beating West Ham & Liverpool, we're safe, why bother? What is the point of having our best Manager in a decade, if he doesnt want to win Silverware and qualify for European football? WGS once said of Lowe that he moaned about the cost of reaching the FA Cup final, that is no different to MoPo not wanting to qualify for Europe! SaintAsh1964

2:01pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Rising_Son says...

SaintAsh1964 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
I think we really need to ask the question is MoPo the man to take us forward.
Plays a weakened team in the a Cup game again,( ok fair enough against lower League opposition, but not against a team in the same league playing well), which has cost us a Cup run, extra revenue and momentum in the League.
Has stated that he doesnt fancy/want to qualify for the Europa League, so how do we progress?
We are not going to jump straight to the Champions League are we? so whats the point of doing well in the League and finishing as high as we can, when effectively we are limited to 7th place under MoPo.
I dont think the likes of Lallana, Shaw, Schneiderlin etal are going to be happy with that type of ambition from the Manager.
If we want to progress over the next 3-7 years as a club, we have to learn how to play European football from the bottom up, not the other way around and that means following in the footsteps of Spurs, Swansea, Newcastle, who have qualified for the Europa League and are finding out what is needed from their players and what is required of the Management of the Club.
And finally, it's not the case of loosing a game, but the manner in which we lost, its no coincidence that below par performances have resulted from playing a weakened team, surely its best to play the strongest team, go ahead in the game AND then rest your best players.
UTS
Yep, the experience of playing in the Europa Cup seems to have taught Swansea and Newcastle, at least, not to bother with it again.
I notice you don't include Spurs, who if and when they qualify for the champions League will have the experience of European football behind them and had Michu had been fit then Swansea would have had a better season.
My point is, how can we gain experience against European clubs if we have a Manager that is not interested in qualifying for European football?
It doesn't make sense to me not to finish as high as possible and try to win Silverware, I mean that is MoPo's job isint it?
My point is that it hasn't done much for the likes of Swansea, Newcastle, Wigan or the skates? And they clearly outnumber spuds.
So we are limited to 8th spot then, don't push to high up the League and play the under 18's in all cup games.
Sorted.
Huh?
[quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: I think we really need to ask the question is MoPo the man to take us forward. Plays a weakened team in the a Cup game again,( ok fair enough against lower League opposition, but not against a team in the same league playing well), which has cost us a Cup run, extra revenue and momentum in the League. Has stated that he doesnt fancy/want to qualify for the Europa League, so how do we progress? We are not going to jump straight to the Champions League are we? so whats the point of doing well in the League and finishing as high as we can, when effectively we are limited to 7th place under MoPo. I dont think the likes of Lallana, Shaw, Schneiderlin etal are going to be happy with that type of ambition from the Manager. If we want to progress over the next 3-7 years as a club, we have to learn how to play European football from the bottom up, not the other way around and that means following in the footsteps of Spurs, Swansea, Newcastle, who have qualified for the Europa League and are finding out what is needed from their players and what is required of the Management of the Club. And finally, it's not the case of loosing a game, but the manner in which we lost, its no coincidence that below par performances have resulted from playing a weakened team, surely its best to play the strongest team, go ahead in the game AND then rest your best players. UTS[/p][/quote]Yep, the experience of playing in the Europa Cup seems to have taught Swansea and Newcastle, at least, not to bother with it again.[/p][/quote]I notice you don't include Spurs, who if and when they qualify for the champions League will have the experience of European football behind them and had Michu had been fit then Swansea would have had a better season. My point is, how can we gain experience against European clubs if we have a Manager that is not interested in qualifying for European football? It doesn't make sense to me not to finish as high as possible and try to win Silverware, I mean that is MoPo's job isint it?[/p][/quote]My point is that it hasn't done much for the likes of Swansea, Newcastle, Wigan or the skates? And they clearly outnumber spuds.[/p][/quote]So we are limited to 8th spot then, don't push to high up the League and play the under 18's in all cup games. Sorted.[/p][/quote]Huh? Rising_Son

2:02pm Mon 17 Feb 14

saints fan #1 says...

The fringe players that were played against Sunderland were given there chance to prove them seif but failed. I think MP decision to play them proved that they aren't to the standard we need to get to the next level. He may be looking at the market in the summer to improve the depth we have. So when fringe players are called apon they can prove there worth.
The fringe players that were played against Sunderland were given there chance to prove them seif but failed. I think MP decision to play them proved that they aren't to the standard we need to get to the next level. He may be looking at the market in the summer to improve the depth we have. So when fringe players are called apon they can prove there worth. saints fan #1

2:08pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Positively4thStreet says...

SaintAsh1964 wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Jan28th1984 wrote:
Stop stirring it up Echo - the game is done now and the moment is gone. We've all had our whinge and hopefully the club has taken note and learned from it. Poch was a good manager last week, a good manager this week, and will be a good manager next week, that hasn't changed. Next game is West Ham away and that is where the focus should be now - three points and continue chasing Manchester United for 7th spot. Get in Saints.
Innit.

He's the most gifted manager we've ever had. Why don't we try not p1ssing him off?
But what is our aim?
What is the point of beating West Ham & Liverpool, we're safe, why bother?
What is the point of having our best Manager in a decade, if he doesnt want to win Silverware and qualify for European football?
WGS once said of Lowe that he moaned about the cost of reaching the FA Cup final, that is no different to MoPo not wanting to qualify for Europe!
Yes exactly.Why should we fans have to roll over and accept that it's all about the money,and there's nothing we can do about it?
Its not about the money to us,its about the football,and the winning,and the pride,and the bragging rights.What's the point in following football at all,if it isn't about the team you support,winning their games?
[quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jan28th1984[/bold] wrote: Stop stirring it up Echo - the game is done now and the moment is gone. We've all had our whinge and hopefully the club has taken note and learned from it. Poch was a good manager last week, a good manager this week, and will be a good manager next week, that hasn't changed. Next game is West Ham away and that is where the focus should be now - three points and continue chasing Manchester United for 7th spot. Get in Saints.[/p][/quote]Innit. He's the most gifted manager we've ever had. Why don't we try not p1ssing him off?[/p][/quote]But what is our aim? What is the point of beating West Ham & Liverpool, we're safe, why bother? What is the point of having our best Manager in a decade, if he doesnt want to win Silverware and qualify for European football? WGS once said of Lowe that he moaned about the cost of reaching the FA Cup final, that is no different to MoPo not wanting to qualify for Europe![/p][/quote]Yes exactly.Why should we fans have to roll over and accept that it's all about the money,and there's nothing we can do about it? Its not about the money to us,its about the football,and the winning,and the pride,and the bragging rights.What's the point in following football at all,if it isn't about the team you support,winning their games? Positively4thStreet

2:18pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Rising_Son says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Jan28th1984 wrote:
Stop stirring it up Echo - the game is done now and the moment is gone. We've all had our whinge and hopefully the club has taken note and learned from it. Poch was a good manager last week, a good manager this week, and will be a good manager next week, that hasn't changed. Next game is West Ham away and that is where the focus should be now - three points and continue chasing Manchester United for 7th spot. Get in Saints.
Innit.

He's the most gifted manager we've ever had. Why don't we try not p1ssing him off?
But what is our aim?
What is the point of beating West Ham & Liverpool, we're safe, why bother?
What is the point of having our best Manager in a decade, if he doesnt want to win Silverware and qualify for European football?
WGS once said of Lowe that he moaned about the cost of reaching the FA Cup final, that is no different to MoPo not wanting to qualify for Europe!
Yes exactly.Why should we fans have to roll over and accept that it's all about the money,and there's nothing we can do about it?
Its not about the money to us,its about the football,and the winning,and the pride,and the bragging rights.What's the point in following football at all,if it isn't about the team you support,winning their games?
Following football and supporting a team are not the same thing. Winning is only important if you sport a particular team.

You also don't have to roll over and accept that it's all about money. Of course, that could take you down the same page path as our blue neighbours.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jan28th1984[/bold] wrote: Stop stirring it up Echo - the game is done now and the moment is gone. We've all had our whinge and hopefully the club has taken note and learned from it. Poch was a good manager last week, a good manager this week, and will be a good manager next week, that hasn't changed. Next game is West Ham away and that is where the focus should be now - three points and continue chasing Manchester United for 7th spot. Get in Saints.[/p][/quote]Innit. He's the most gifted manager we've ever had. Why don't we try not p1ssing him off?[/p][/quote]But what is our aim? What is the point of beating West Ham & Liverpool, we're safe, why bother? What is the point of having our best Manager in a decade, if he doesnt want to win Silverware and qualify for European football? WGS once said of Lowe that he moaned about the cost of reaching the FA Cup final, that is no different to MoPo not wanting to qualify for Europe![/p][/quote]Yes exactly.Why should we fans have to roll over and accept that it's all about the money,and there's nothing we can do about it? Its not about the money to us,its about the football,and the winning,and the pride,and the bragging rights.What's the point in following football at all,if it isn't about the team you support,winning their games?[/p][/quote]Following football and supporting a team are not the same thing. Winning is only important if you sport a particular team. You also don't have to roll over and accept that it's all about money. Of course, that could take you down the same page path as our blue neighbours. Rising_Son

2:22pm Mon 17 Feb 14

SaintAsh1964 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
I think we really need to ask the question is MoPo the man to take us forward.
Plays a weakened team in the a Cup game again,( ok fair enough against lower League opposition, but not against a team in the same league playing well), which has cost us a Cup run, extra revenue and momentum in the League.
Has stated that he doesnt fancy/want to qualify for the Europa League, so how do we progress?
We are not going to jump straight to the Champions League are we? so whats the point of doing well in the League and finishing as high as we can, when effectively we are limited to 7th place under MoPo.
I dont think the likes of Lallana, Shaw, Schneiderlin etal are going to be happy with that type of ambition from the Manager.
If we want to progress over the next 3-7 years as a club, we have to learn how to play European football from the bottom up, not the other way around and that means following in the footsteps of Spurs, Swansea, Newcastle, who have qualified for the Europa League and are finding out what is needed from their players and what is required of the Management of the Club.
And finally, it's not the case of loosing a game, but the manner in which we lost, its no coincidence that below par performances have resulted from playing a weakened team, surely its best to play the strongest team, go ahead in the game AND then rest your best players.
UTS
Yep, the experience of playing in the Europa Cup seems to have taught Swansea and Newcastle, at least, not to bother with it again.
I notice you don't include Spurs, who if and when they qualify for the champions League will have the experience of European football behind them and had Michu had been fit then Swansea would have had a better season.
My point is, how can we gain experience against European clubs if we have a Manager that is not interested in qualifying for European football?
It doesn't make sense to me not to finish as high as possible and try to win Silverware, I mean that is MoPo's job isint it?
My point is that it hasn't done much for the likes of Swansea, Newcastle, Wigan or the skates? And they clearly outnumber spuds.
So we are limited to 8th spot then, don't push to high up the League and play the under 18's in all cup games.
Sorted.
Huh?
Sorry did you not say that Europa League football had not done Swansea, Newcastle, Wigan or them down the road any favours?
In that case what is the point of qualifying for the competition?
To progress we have to play teams of a better standard, if our aim is champions League football eventually, we have to go through the Europa League first, that is common sense!
Qualify for several years, learn how to play that standard of football, build your squad up to that standard and then BINGO! champions League!
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: I think we really need to ask the question is MoPo the man to take us forward. Plays a weakened team in the a Cup game again,( ok fair enough against lower League opposition, but not against a team in the same league playing well), which has cost us a Cup run, extra revenue and momentum in the League. Has stated that he doesnt fancy/want to qualify for the Europa League, so how do we progress? We are not going to jump straight to the Champions League are we? so whats the point of doing well in the League and finishing as high as we can, when effectively we are limited to 7th place under MoPo. I dont think the likes of Lallana, Shaw, Schneiderlin etal are going to be happy with that type of ambition from the Manager. If we want to progress over the next 3-7 years as a club, we have to learn how to play European football from the bottom up, not the other way around and that means following in the footsteps of Spurs, Swansea, Newcastle, who have qualified for the Europa League and are finding out what is needed from their players and what is required of the Management of the Club. And finally, it's not the case of loosing a game, but the manner in which we lost, its no coincidence that below par performances have resulted from playing a weakened team, surely its best to play the strongest team, go ahead in the game AND then rest your best players. UTS[/p][/quote]Yep, the experience of playing in the Europa Cup seems to have taught Swansea and Newcastle, at least, not to bother with it again.[/p][/quote]I notice you don't include Spurs, who if and when they qualify for the champions League will have the experience of European football behind them and had Michu had been fit then Swansea would have had a better season. My point is, how can we gain experience against European clubs if we have a Manager that is not interested in qualifying for European football? It doesn't make sense to me not to finish as high as possible and try to win Silverware, I mean that is MoPo's job isint it?[/p][/quote]My point is that it hasn't done much for the likes of Swansea, Newcastle, Wigan or the skates? And they clearly outnumber spuds.[/p][/quote]So we are limited to 8th spot then, don't push to high up the League and play the under 18's in all cup games. Sorted.[/p][/quote]Huh?[/p][/quote]Sorry did you not say that Europa League football had not done Swansea, Newcastle, Wigan or them down the road any favours? In that case what is the point of qualifying for the competition? To progress we have to play teams of a better standard, if our aim is champions League football eventually, we have to go through the Europa League first, that is common sense! Qualify for several years, learn how to play that standard of football, build your squad up to that standard and then BINGO! champions League! SaintAsh1964

2:24pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Peoples Choice says...

St.Winch70 wrote:
Peoples Choice wrote:
All these ones defending the selection and saying we should move on Id bet my bottom dollar you got out of bed at 11am Saturday morning, had a bacon roll and switched over to BT Sport at 12.40pm, then at Full Time switched channels and led up for the rest of the day. It was a total shambles from kick off to full time, stemming from dropping Boruc for Davis, whose distribution must have been a way to pay back Sunderland for the 106 goals he let in for them. We should have gone out with the team that beat Hull on Tuesday, its not like we have a game midweek or anything. We were on Saturday at 12.45pm 180mins from Wembley, and Perez and Pochettino gave it the big two fingered salute
Do you know anything about football? Saints played awfully and lost. You follow the team, not pick it! It was your choice to attend the game, nobody put your arm up your back and forced you to go.
Probably best you hand back your season ticket if you feel like this every time your team has an off day - grow up or go and work for the Echo sports desk.
I have no patience for whiners like you.
Ark at the old keyboard warrior giving it spuds from his Apple Mac which he probably streamed the game from on Saturday. No one forced me to go, I choose to go to every home and away game and feel conned after that. So having Schneiderlin, Cork, Rodrigues and Chambers on the bench who have starred recently to me is disrespecting the cup. So St Winch, evidentely short from Winchester, rather than talking rubbish on here, go and fill some sandbags before the rivers rise again
[quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peoples Choice[/bold] wrote: All these ones defending the selection and saying we should move on Id bet my bottom dollar you got out of bed at 11am Saturday morning, had a bacon roll and switched over to BT Sport at 12.40pm, then at Full Time switched channels and led up for the rest of the day. It was a total shambles from kick off to full time, stemming from dropping Boruc for Davis, whose distribution must have been a way to pay back Sunderland for the 106 goals he let in for them. We should have gone out with the team that beat Hull on Tuesday, its not like we have a game midweek or anything. We were on Saturday at 12.45pm 180mins from Wembley, and Perez and Pochettino gave it the big two fingered salute[/p][/quote]Do you know anything about football? Saints played awfully and lost. You follow the team, not pick it! It was your choice to attend the game, nobody put your arm up your back and forced you to go. Probably best you hand back your season ticket if you feel like this every time your team has an off day - grow up or go and work for the Echo sports desk. I have no patience for whiners like you.[/p][/quote]Ark at the old keyboard warrior giving it spuds from his Apple Mac which he probably streamed the game from on Saturday. No one forced me to go, I choose to go to every home and away game and feel conned after that. So having Schneiderlin, Cork, Rodrigues and Chambers on the bench who have starred recently to me is disrespecting the cup. So St Winch, evidentely short from Winchester, rather than talking rubbish on here, go and fill some sandbags before the rivers rise again Peoples Choice

2:27pm Mon 17 Feb 14

beelife says...

Ok lets move on , what are the favoured watering holes for the saints fans for this saturday
Ok lets move on , what are the favoured watering holes for the saints fans for this saturday beelife

2:29pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Jan28th1984 wrote:
Stop stirring it up Echo - the game is done now and the moment is gone. We've all had our whinge and hopefully the club has taken note and learned from it. Poch was a good manager last week, a good manager this week, and will be a good manager next week, that hasn't changed. Next game is West Ham away and that is where the focus should be now - three points and continue chasing Manchester United for 7th spot. Get in Saints.
Innit.

He's the most gifted manager we've ever had. Why don't we try not p1ssing him off?
But what is our aim?
What is the point of beating West Ham & Liverpool, we're safe, why bother?
What is the point of having our best Manager in a decade, if he doesnt want to win Silverware and qualify for European football?
WGS once said of Lowe that he moaned about the cost of reaching the FA Cup final, that is no different to MoPo not wanting to qualify for Europe!
Yes exactly.Why should we fans have to roll over and accept that it's all about the money,and there's nothing we can do about it?
Its not about the money to us,its about the football,and the winning,and the pride,and the bragging rights.What's the point in following football at all,if it isn't about the team you support,winning their games?
Following football and supporting a team are not the same thing. Winning is only important if you sport a particular team.

You also don't have to roll over and accept that it's all about money. Of course, that could take you down the same page path as our blue neighbours.
Well that's my point,it's basically about fans verses the businessmen now,and the businessmen are winning ten nil at the moment!
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jan28th1984[/bold] wrote: Stop stirring it up Echo - the game is done now and the moment is gone. We've all had our whinge and hopefully the club has taken note and learned from it. Poch was a good manager last week, a good manager this week, and will be a good manager next week, that hasn't changed. Next game is West Ham away and that is where the focus should be now - three points and continue chasing Manchester United for 7th spot. Get in Saints.[/p][/quote]Innit. He's the most gifted manager we've ever had. Why don't we try not p1ssing him off?[/p][/quote]But what is our aim? What is the point of beating West Ham & Liverpool, we're safe, why bother? What is the point of having our best Manager in a decade, if he doesnt want to win Silverware and qualify for European football? WGS once said of Lowe that he moaned about the cost of reaching the FA Cup final, that is no different to MoPo not wanting to qualify for Europe![/p][/quote]Yes exactly.Why should we fans have to roll over and accept that it's all about the money,and there's nothing we can do about it? Its not about the money to us,its about the football,and the winning,and the pride,and the bragging rights.What's the point in following football at all,if it isn't about the team you support,winning their games?[/p][/quote]Following football and supporting a team are not the same thing. Winning is only important if you sport a particular team. You also don't have to roll over and accept that it's all about money. Of course, that could take you down the same page path as our blue neighbours.[/p][/quote]Well that's my point,it's basically about fans verses the businessmen now,and the businessmen are winning ten nil at the moment! Positively4thStreet

2:32pm Mon 17 Feb 14

LeTissLeGod says...

SaintAsh1964 wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Jan28th1984 wrote:
Stop stirring it up Echo - the game is done now and the moment is gone. We've all had our whinge and hopefully the club has taken note and learned from it. Poch was a good manager last week, a good manager this week, and will be a good manager next week, that hasn't changed. Next game is West Ham away and that is where the focus should be now - three points and continue chasing Manchester United for 7th spot. Get in Saints.
Innit.

He's the most gifted manager we've ever had. Why don't we try not p1ssing him off?
But what is our aim?
What is the point of beating West Ham & Liverpool, we're safe, why bother?
What is the point of having our best Manager in a decade, if he doesnt want to win Silverware and qualify for European football?
WGS once said of Lowe that he moaned about the cost of reaching the FA Cup final, that is no different to MoPo not wanting to qualify for Europe!
I agree with you mate,this manager ONLY wants to get into the champions league(that's with any club !),both cups & europa league means nothing to him, so stuff us supporters who would have loved a trip to Wembley.He does'nt give a tosh about us
[quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jan28th1984[/bold] wrote: Stop stirring it up Echo - the game is done now and the moment is gone. We've all had our whinge and hopefully the club has taken note and learned from it. Poch was a good manager last week, a good manager this week, and will be a good manager next week, that hasn't changed. Next game is West Ham away and that is where the focus should be now - three points and continue chasing Manchester United for 7th spot. Get in Saints.[/p][/quote]Innit. He's the most gifted manager we've ever had. Why don't we try not p1ssing him off?[/p][/quote]But what is our aim? What is the point of beating West Ham & Liverpool, we're safe, why bother? What is the point of having our best Manager in a decade, if he doesnt want to win Silverware and qualify for European football? WGS once said of Lowe that he moaned about the cost of reaching the FA Cup final, that is no different to MoPo not wanting to qualify for Europe![/p][/quote]I agree with you mate,this manager ONLY wants to get into the champions league(that's with any club !),both cups & europa league means nothing to him, so stuff us supporters who would have loved a trip to Wembley.He does'nt give a tosh about us LeTissLeGod

2:44pm Mon 17 Feb 14

george chivers says...

Jesus_02 wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Tony in Liberia wrote: Ok, let's get some perspective here. We would probably all agree that Guly had his worst 45 minutes for us, and probably shouldn't have been in the team. Other than that, this wasn't a team that disrespected the cup. Up front, we had Llalana & Lambert, probably our two biggest heroes. Midfield, we had Wanyama, our biggest signing still at the club, & Ward-Prowse, who a few days ago many of us were saying should go to the World Cup in Brasil, and in any case should be a mainstay of the England team for years to come. Beside them we had Davis, one of our best performers all year. In defense, Shaw & Clyne are two of our best players, and again people are talking of them going to the world cup. WIth Lovren unavailable, Maya has looked pretty good beside Fonte, but with him having gashed shins it made sense to play Hooveild. And they did pretty well; Sunderland only had one shot all game, and that was a wonder-strike that the guy would probably put over the bar 9 times out of ten. Davies in goal - you have to keep the goalie fresh, and that shot would of beaten almost any keeper in the world. So, not a bad team - the problem was that they played complete carp. Should we blame Poch for Lambert putting it over the bar from 3 yards? Should we blame Poch because JWP scuffed his shot into the ground? Should we blame Poch because Shaw & Clyne didn't put in a decent cross all game? For Llalana producing one of his worst games so far? For Wanyama & JWP playing as if they'd never even met each other before? No, if you're going to blame anyone for this, blame the players before Poch; this team was good enough, but they just didn't play. That happens sometimes; maybe they started believing their nbame was on the cup? They were playing like a team who believed they deserved to win the game befoer it had started, and didn't need to put in the effort that's always required. It's true that Poch doesn't want the Europa League, and maybe that had an effect on the urgency he put into his team talk, we'll never know. But I believe everyone at St Mary's wanted to win this game; they just messed it up on the day. That happens - let's get over it! This has still been a great season, this team is still performing amazingly, and this was one game where we just didn't play. And as for Jesus' comments, what else should he say? It's ok for the fans to go crazy, but he & the managemtn team have to keep the team going for the rest of hte season, and they won't do that by slagging off anyone, ranting about the performance, or letting negativity into the team. Their job is to keep the spirit up, keep the team believing, and keep them focussed on the next game, the next goal. Maybe he phrased it badly, but he didn't have Poch's translator. Yes, I'm gutted we are out of the Cup - apart from anything else, I would of won £3,000 on Betfair - but we'll get much further accepting that this was a game where weplayed within the limits of the squad available to us, and that some of our best players had incredibly off days. And then we move on to the next game, and moving up the league if possible.
Tony, all of your comments are valid. But you forget about the way we played. We didn't press the ball in the Sunderland half, we played through mid-field from the back which is not our normal game plan. And we played with a much deeper back four than usual and the management team were never seen in the technical area urging the back four to push up to the half way line. That is a major change from our normal way of playing in the league. We were set up to give Sunderland every chance of winning and they did. it will be interesting to see if the same tactics are employed in future league games if we get into a position where we can qualify for the Europa Cup by league position It will also be interesting to see if the attendance at the next home game drops below the average gate of about 28,000. I can fully understand why Poch did what he did because of the attendant risks of qualifying for the Europa Cup. That in its self is a good business decision and a very good personal decision for himself to protect his job next season. But if the attendances drop I hope the club understands why. As it is I think we have had only one full house this season, which I believe is down to the way we play and the lack of chances we create and the general lack of entertainment our style of play generates. Although of course our points tally and league position is much improved. But points aren't everything. People pay to be entertained, not to be frustrated and sometimes bored by possession football, especially at home where are record is not outstanding in terms of wins. And that is why some of us want to see us do well in the Cup, because cup ties against premiere league rivals should be full on, with a full first team, going for it regardless! But the FA cup is not the competition it was and for teams like Southampton the financial incentive is to get knocked out not to progress. I also think Sunderland didn't want to win either which was reflected in their team selection. Getting through has worsened their chances of staying in the Premiere League without any doubt. A shame. The top clubs in the PL with excessive money have all the power and are supported indirectly by the idiots in UEFA who could solve the problem by running the Europa Cup as a free draw, two leg knockout competition. Then it would be worth entering and in turn make the FA Cup a worthwhile competition again. And of course it would do the same for the rest of the cup competitions in Europe. But there is no doubt in my mind our team selection and tactics on Saturday were made with deliberate failure in mind. Not to lose on purpose of course but to give Sunderland ever opportunity of winning.
"...the way we play and the lack of chances we create and the general lack of entertainment our style of play generates."

Really?
Yes. That is why I didn't renew my season ticket this year. I don't like watching Spanish football. It gets results but doesn't provide value in terms of entertainment. Very limited. I want more than just points.
[quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tony in Liberia[/bold] wrote: Ok, let's get some perspective here. We would probably all agree that Guly had his worst 45 minutes for us, and probably shouldn't have been in the team. Other than that, this wasn't a team that disrespected the cup. Up front, we had Llalana & Lambert, probably our two biggest heroes. Midfield, we had Wanyama, our biggest signing still at the club, & Ward-Prowse, who a few days ago many of us were saying should go to the World Cup in Brasil, and in any case should be a mainstay of the England team for years to come. Beside them we had Davis, one of our best performers all year. In defense, Shaw & Clyne are two of our best players, and again people are talking of them going to the world cup. WIth Lovren unavailable, Maya has looked pretty good beside Fonte, but with him having gashed shins it made sense to play Hooveild. And they did pretty well; Sunderland only had one shot all game, and that was a wonder-strike that the guy would probably put over the bar 9 times out of ten. Davies in goal - you have to keep the goalie fresh, and that shot would of beaten almost any keeper in the world. So, not a bad team - the problem was that they played complete carp. Should we blame Poch for Lambert putting it over the bar from 3 yards? Should we blame Poch because JWP scuffed his shot into the ground? Should we blame Poch because Shaw & Clyne didn't put in a decent cross all game? For Llalana producing one of his worst games so far? For Wanyama & JWP playing as if they'd never even met each other before? No, if you're going to blame anyone for this, blame the players before Poch; this team was good enough, but they just didn't play. That happens sometimes; maybe they started believing their nbame was on the cup? They were playing like a team who believed they deserved to win the game befoer it had started, and didn't need to put in the effort that's always required. It's true that Poch doesn't want the Europa League, and maybe that had an effect on the urgency he put into his team talk, we'll never know. But I believe everyone at St Mary's wanted to win this game; they just messed it up on the day. That happens - let's get over it! This has still been a great season, this team is still performing amazingly, and this was one game where we just didn't play. And as for Jesus' comments, what else should he say? It's ok for the fans to go crazy, but he & the managemtn team have to keep the team going for the rest of hte season, and they won't do that by slagging off anyone, ranting about the performance, or letting negativity into the team. Their job is to keep the spirit up, keep the team believing, and keep them focussed on the next game, the next goal. Maybe he phrased it badly, but he didn't have Poch's translator. Yes, I'm gutted we are out of the Cup - apart from anything else, I would of won £3,000 on Betfair - but we'll get much further accepting that this was a game where weplayed within the limits of the squad available to us, and that some of our best players had incredibly off days. And then we move on to the next game, and moving up the league if possible.[/p][/quote]Tony, all of your comments are valid. But you forget about the way we played. We didn't press the ball in the Sunderland half, we played through mid-field from the back which is not our normal game plan. And we played with a much deeper back four than usual and the management team were never seen in the technical area urging the back four to push up to the half way line. That is a major change from our normal way of playing in the league. We were set up to give Sunderland every chance of winning and they did. it will be interesting to see if the same tactics are employed in future league games if we get into a position where we can qualify for the Europa Cup by league position It will also be interesting to see if the attendance at the next home game drops below the average gate of about 28,000. I can fully understand why Poch did what he did because of the attendant risks of qualifying for the Europa Cup. That in its self is a good business decision and a very good personal decision for himself to protect his job next season. But if the attendances drop I hope the club understands why. As it is I think we have had only one full house this season, which I believe is down to the way we play and the lack of chances we create and the general lack of entertainment our style of play generates. Although of course our points tally and league position is much improved. But points aren't everything. People pay to be entertained, not to be frustrated and sometimes bored by possession football, especially at home where are record is not outstanding in terms of wins. And that is why some of us want to see us do well in the Cup, because cup ties against premiere league rivals should be full on, with a full first team, going for it regardless! But the FA cup is not the competition it was and for teams like Southampton the financial incentive is to get knocked out not to progress. I also think Sunderland didn't want to win either which was reflected in their team selection. Getting through has worsened their chances of staying in the Premiere League without any doubt. A shame. The top clubs in the PL with excessive money have all the power and are supported indirectly by the idiots in UEFA who could solve the problem by running the Europa Cup as a free draw, two leg knockout competition. Then it would be worth entering and in turn make the FA Cup a worthwhile competition again. And of course it would do the same for the rest of the cup competitions in Europe. But there is no doubt in my mind our team selection and tactics on Saturday were made with deliberate failure in mind. Not to lose on purpose of course but to give Sunderland ever opportunity of winning.[/p][/quote]"...the way we play and the lack of chances we create and the general lack of entertainment our style of play generates." Really?[/p][/quote]Yes. That is why I didn't renew my season ticket this year. I don't like watching Spanish football. It gets results but doesn't provide value in terms of entertainment. Very limited. I want more than just points. george chivers

2:46pm Mon 17 Feb 14

LeTissLeGod says...

WHY BOTHER TO BUY AN FA & LEAGUE CUP TICKET NEXT SEASON ????????????????????
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WHY BOTHER TO BUY AN FA & LEAGUE CUP TICKET NEXT SEASON ???????????????????? ???????????????????? ?????????????? LeTissLeGod

2:49pm Mon 17 Feb 14

st1halo says...

Poole Tom wrote:
If the FA Cup winners and dare I say the League Cup winners were rewarded with a place in the Champions League both competitions would be revitalized at a stroke. Unfortunately however that`s never going to happen because of the influence of the big clubs who would rather third and fourth place in the Premier League were rewarded with a Champions League place because with their almost unlimited wealth they are far more likely to qualify every year via that route( i.e. Arsenal). Consequently we all have to accept that the Premier League is king and everything else no longer matters, sadly.
The problem with awarding a CL place is that you then start to dilute that particular competition and other cup winners in other countries would need to be involved.
It's no use blaming Poch, Kelvin or anyone else for our capitulation as many clubs have been doing this for many years now.
The only people who are to blame are the FA. They have allowed this once great competition to drift into decline and if it continues, into obscurity. They have the funds and the ability to raise the stakes, perhaps offering more money round by round with large prizes or even lucrative sponsorship deals for the finalists and winners. Why do smaller clubs battle so hard to get through the rounds? Simple. Money. Financial reward is the international language that every foreign manager and club owner will understand so being aquainted with the history and importance to fans of this competition will be irrelevant. This will unite fans and clubs alike in a common purpose.
Likewise UEFA and the Europa Cup. What is the point in having competitions if no one wants to be involved?
[quote][p][bold]Poole Tom[/bold] wrote: If the FA Cup winners and dare I say the League Cup winners were rewarded with a place in the Champions League both competitions would be revitalized at a stroke. Unfortunately however that`s never going to happen because of the influence of the big clubs who would rather third and fourth place in the Premier League were rewarded with a Champions League place because with their almost unlimited wealth they are far more likely to qualify every year via that route( i.e. Arsenal). Consequently we all have to accept that the Premier League is king and everything else no longer matters, sadly.[/p][/quote]The problem with awarding a CL place is that you then start to dilute that particular competition and other cup winners in other countries would need to be involved. It's no use blaming Poch, Kelvin or anyone else for our capitulation as many clubs have been doing this for many years now. The only people who are to blame are the FA. They have allowed this once great competition to drift into decline and if it continues, into obscurity. They have the funds and the ability to raise the stakes, perhaps offering more money round by round with large prizes or even lucrative sponsorship deals for the finalists and winners. Why do smaller clubs battle so hard to get through the rounds? Simple. Money. Financial reward is the international language that every foreign manager and club owner will understand so being aquainted with the history and importance to fans of this competition will be irrelevant. This will unite fans and clubs alike in a common purpose. Likewise UEFA and the Europa Cup. What is the point in having competitions if no one wants to be involved? st1halo

2:49pm Mon 17 Feb 14

NC Fan4Life says...

I do think the team selection was an error of judgement probably thinking that if Sunderland were resting so many then we could too and still win. However it did not appear as though the players were up for it, especially those that came into the side who should have given everything to retain the place. This also had a mental effect together with such a small crowd all taking the intensity out of the game and it showed on both sides.
Having said that, if Ricki & JWP had both taken their chances we would have won it comfortably.
Sadly the FA Cup has lost its magic, for many fans who no longer go to cup games, and for clubs who get more financial reward in the league. The cup will continue to diminish unless a Champions League spot is a reward to the winners, something the Premier league would oppose.
I do think the team selection was an error of judgement probably thinking that if Sunderland were resting so many then we could too and still win. However it did not appear as though the players were up for it, especially those that came into the side who should have given everything to retain the place. This also had a mental effect together with such a small crowd all taking the intensity out of the game and it showed on both sides. Having said that, if Ricki & JWP had both taken their chances we would have won it comfortably. Sadly the FA Cup has lost its magic, for many fans who no longer go to cup games, and for clubs who get more financial reward in the league. The cup will continue to diminish unless a Champions League spot is a reward to the winners, something the Premier league would oppose. NC Fan4Life

2:57pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Rising_Son says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Jan28th1984 wrote:
Stop stirring it up Echo - the game is done now and the moment is gone. We've all had our whinge and hopefully the club has taken note and learned from it. Poch was a good manager last week, a good manager this week, and will be a good manager next week, that hasn't changed. Next game is West Ham away and that is where the focus should be now - three points and continue chasing Manchester United for 7th spot. Get in Saints.
Innit.

He's the most gifted manager we've ever had. Why don't we try not p1ssing him off?
But what is our aim?
What is the point of beating West Ham & Liverpool, we're safe, why bother?
What is the point of having our best Manager in a decade, if he doesnt want to win Silverware and qualify for European football?
WGS once said of Lowe that he moaned about the cost of reaching the FA Cup final, that is no different to MoPo not wanting to qualify for Europe!
Yes exactly.Why should we fans have to roll over and accept that it's all about the money,and there's nothing we can do about it?
Its not about the money to us,its about the football,and the winning,and the pride,and the bragging rights.What's the point in following football at all,if it isn't about the team you support,winning their games?
Following football and supporting a team are not the same thing. Winning is only important if you sport a particular team.

You also don't have to roll over and accept that it's all about money. Of course, that could take you down the same page path as our blue neighbours.
Well that's my point,it's basically about fans verses the businessmen now,and the businessmen are winning ten nil at the moment!
You could retire.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jan28th1984[/bold] wrote: Stop stirring it up Echo - the game is done now and the moment is gone. We've all had our whinge and hopefully the club has taken note and learned from it. Poch was a good manager last week, a good manager this week, and will be a good manager next week, that hasn't changed. Next game is West Ham away and that is where the focus should be now - three points and continue chasing Manchester United for 7th spot. Get in Saints.[/p][/quote]Innit. He's the most gifted manager we've ever had. Why don't we try not p1ssing him off?[/p][/quote]But what is our aim? What is the point of beating West Ham & Liverpool, we're safe, why bother? What is the point of having our best Manager in a decade, if he doesnt want to win Silverware and qualify for European football? WGS once said of Lowe that he moaned about the cost of reaching the FA Cup final, that is no different to MoPo not wanting to qualify for Europe![/p][/quote]Yes exactly.Why should we fans have to roll over and accept that it's all about the money,and there's nothing we can do about it? Its not about the money to us,its about the football,and the winning,and the pride,and the bragging rights.What's the point in following football at all,if it isn't about the team you support,winning their games?[/p][/quote]Following football and supporting a team are not the same thing. Winning is only important if you sport a particular team. You also don't have to roll over and accept that it's all about money. Of course, that could take you down the same page path as our blue neighbours.[/p][/quote]Well that's my point,it's basically about fans verses the businessmen now,and the businessmen are winning ten nil at the moment![/p][/quote]You could retire. Rising_Son

3:05pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Rising_Son says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
SWAYTHLING SAINT wrote:
And of course the thread police will claim that those fans who are angry aren't proper Saints fans. An excellent chance for a Wembley day out....gone. I feel most sorry for the supporters who made the long trip up there, they deserved better.
Your at it again swaythling, you have another go at the `thread police`, so who are they? and who has been told that they aren't a proper fan because they are angry? (the only people I have seen called not fans are the ones who aren't saying that they are angry or blaming certain players)

whilst we talking about certain players, yesterday you said that the `guly fans got their wish` and `it was a shame that danny fox didn't play`.
you never answered my questions yesterday so I thought I would do the decent thing and give you the opportunity to answer them again, please be assured that I am not trying to claim that you are not a proper fan and I am not trying to `police` the threads, just giving you the chance to clarify your statements, so.
who are the `guly fans`?
what was their `wish`?
please explain why the result was `gulys fault` again remember to add fox to your answers as we clearly would have been so much worse with him playing.
don't be ashamed of your opinions as I for one will not say you are not a proper fan if they differ from mine.
I can't find his response. What did he say?
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SWAYTHLING SAINT[/bold] wrote: And of course the thread police will claim that those fans who are angry aren't proper Saints fans. An excellent chance for a Wembley day out....gone. I feel most sorry for the supporters who made the long trip up there, they deserved better.[/p][/quote]Your at it again swaythling, you have another go at the `thread police`, so who are they? and who has been told that they aren't a proper fan because they are angry? (the only people I have seen called not fans are the ones who aren't saying that they are angry or blaming certain players) whilst we talking about certain players, yesterday you said that the `guly fans got their wish` and `it was a shame that danny fox didn't play`. you never answered my questions yesterday so I thought I would do the decent thing and give you the opportunity to answer them again, please be assured that I am not trying to claim that you are not a proper fan and I am not trying to `police` the threads, just giving you the chance to clarify your statements, so. who are the `guly fans`? what was their `wish`? please explain why the result was `gulys fault` again remember to add fox to your answers as we clearly would have been so much worse with him playing. don't be ashamed of your opinions as I for one will not say you are not a proper fan if they differ from mine.[/p][/quote]I can't find his response. What did he say? Rising_Son

3:05pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Jan28th1984 wrote:
Stop stirring it up Echo - the game is done now and the moment is gone. We've all had our whinge and hopefully the club has taken note and learned from it. Poch was a good manager last week, a good manager this week, and will be a good manager next week, that hasn't changed. Next game is West Ham away and that is where the focus should be now - three points and continue chasing Manchester United for 7th spot. Get in Saints.
Innit.

He's the most gifted manager we've ever had. Why don't we try not p1ssing him off?
But what is our aim?
What is the point of beating West Ham & Liverpool, we're safe, why bother?
What is the point of having our best Manager in a decade, if he doesnt want to win Silverware and qualify for European football?
WGS once said of Lowe that he moaned about the cost of reaching the FA Cup final, that is no different to MoPo not wanting to qualify for Europe!
Yes exactly.Why should we fans have to roll over and accept that it's all about the money,and there's nothing we can do about it?
Its not about the money to us,its about the football,and the winning,and the pride,and the bragging rights.What's the point in following football at all,if it isn't about the team you support,winning their games?
Following football and supporting a team are not the same thing. Winning is only important if you sport a particular team.

You also don't have to roll over and accept that it's all about money. Of course, that could take you down the same page path as our blue neighbours.
Well that's my point,it's basically about fans verses the businessmen now,and the businessmen are winning ten nil at the moment!
You could retire.
I already have!
I am off to a monastery,first thing in the morning then. :0)
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jan28th1984[/bold] wrote: Stop stirring it up Echo - the game is done now and the moment is gone. We've all had our whinge and hopefully the club has taken note and learned from it. Poch was a good manager last week, a good manager this week, and will be a good manager next week, that hasn't changed. Next game is West Ham away and that is where the focus should be now - three points and continue chasing Manchester United for 7th spot. Get in Saints.[/p][/quote]Innit. He's the most gifted manager we've ever had. Why don't we try not p1ssing him off?[/p][/quote]But what is our aim? What is the point of beating West Ham & Liverpool, we're safe, why bother? What is the point of having our best Manager in a decade, if he doesnt want to win Silverware and qualify for European football? WGS once said of Lowe that he moaned about the cost of reaching the FA Cup final, that is no different to MoPo not wanting to qualify for Europe![/p][/quote]Yes exactly.Why should we fans have to roll over and accept that it's all about the money,and there's nothing we can do about it? Its not about the money to us,its about the football,and the winning,and the pride,and the bragging rights.What's the point in following football at all,if it isn't about the team you support,winning their games?[/p][/quote]Following football and supporting a team are not the same thing. Winning is only important if you sport a particular team. You also don't have to roll over and accept that it's all about money. Of course, that could take you down the same page path as our blue neighbours.[/p][/quote]Well that's my point,it's basically about fans verses the businessmen now,and the businessmen are winning ten nil at the moment![/p][/quote]You could retire.[/p][/quote]I already have! I am off to a monastery,first thing in the morning then. :0) Positively4thStreet

3:06pm Mon 17 Feb 14

st1halo says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
I do think the team selection was an error of judgement probably thinking that if Sunderland were resting so many then we could too and still win. However it did not appear as though the players were up for it, especially those that came into the side who should have given everything to retain the place. This also had a mental effect together with such a small crowd all taking the intensity out of the game and it showed on both sides.
Having said that, if Ricki & JWP had both taken their chances we would have won it comfortably.
Sadly the FA Cup has lost its magic, for many fans who no longer go to cup games, and for clubs who get more financial reward in the league. The cup will continue to diminish unless a Champions League spot is a reward to the winners, something the Premier league would oppose.
As I said above in my post, a CL spot is not a viable proposition. The FA needs to act to make the FACup a valid competition worth winning. If they don't we are in danger of becoming a one trophy nation that limited clubs have the oportunity of securing.

STID
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: I do think the team selection was an error of judgement probably thinking that if Sunderland were resting so many then we could too and still win. However it did not appear as though the players were up for it, especially those that came into the side who should have given everything to retain the place. This also had a mental effect together with such a small crowd all taking the intensity out of the game and it showed on both sides. Having said that, if Ricki & JWP had both taken their chances we would have won it comfortably. Sadly the FA Cup has lost its magic, for many fans who no longer go to cup games, and for clubs who get more financial reward in the league. The cup will continue to diminish unless a Champions League spot is a reward to the winners, something the Premier league would oppose.[/p][/quote]As I said above in my post, a CL spot is not a viable proposition. The FA needs to act to make the FACup a valid competition worth winning. If they don't we are in danger of becoming a one trophy nation that limited clubs have the oportunity of securing. STID st1halo

3:07pm Mon 17 Feb 14

SaintJD says...

Peoples Choice wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
Peoples Choice wrote:
All these ones defending the selection and saying we should move on Id bet my bottom dollar you got out of bed at 11am Saturday morning, had a bacon roll and switched over to BT Sport at 12.40pm, then at Full Time switched channels and led up for the rest of the day. It was a total shambles from kick off to full time, stemming from dropping Boruc for Davis, whose distribution must have been a way to pay back Sunderland for the 106 goals he let in for them. We should have gone out with the team that beat Hull on Tuesday, its not like we have a game midweek or anything. We were on Saturday at 12.45pm 180mins from Wembley, and Perez and Pochettino gave it the big two fingered salute
Do you know anything about football? Saints played awfully and lost. You follow the team, not pick it! It was your choice to attend the game, nobody put your arm up your back and forced you to go.
Probably best you hand back your season ticket if you feel like this every time your team has an off day - grow up or go and work for the Echo sports desk.
I have no patience for whiners like you.
Ark at the old keyboard warrior giving it spuds from his Apple Mac which he probably streamed the game from on Saturday. No one forced me to go, I choose to go to every home and away game and feel conned after that. So having Schneiderlin, Cork, Rodrigues and Chambers on the bench who have starred recently to me is disrespecting the cup. So St Winch, evidentely short from Winchester, rather than talking rubbish on here, go and fill some sandbags before the rivers rise again
I do think that changing four players can have a massive impact on a team - just look at the Fulham game - one change bringing on Cork for Victor and we were transformed.

It also depends where those changes are made. Left or right back (unless it's Fox) you can usually get away with, but removing your influential keeper, centre back, bang in form holding midfielder and only pacey forward option is taking the entire spine out of your team and will be reflected in the performance.

Having an off day isn't a good enough explanation Winch and I don't buy the fatigue explanation. Worst case scenario you sort training facilities in the area and stay up in the area for the two matches.

If we play our best 11 we win 9 times out of 10 in my opinion. I base this on the fact that we are a way better team than Sunderland, should have beaten them twice in the league (a replay would have been OK had we drawn) and that they played a weakened team without their star performer and the ground was half full, thus removing a lot of the home advantage.

It pains me to see fans and clubs disrespecting what used to be the most exciting games of any league season.

I watched Sunderland play their League Cup semi against Man Utd and the ground was half empty, which is just beyond comprehension to me.

Why would the league fixture (where they play a better Man Utd team and probably get beaten) sell out, but a chance for Wembley (not to mention likely priority on tickets for going to the semi when they get there) is on offer.

You get drama, possible penalties and the tickets are cheaper. Don't understand it.

Personally, some of my very best Saints memories come from the cups - Bolton Barry Horne goal, Zenith Data, run to the final and final against Arsenal, Man Utd away win on pens,

I can honestly say that if we were in the draw against Hull or Brighton I'd be seriously excited this morning - more so than at any time during this outstanding season.

The excitement of even an FA Cup semi final is something that makes memories in itself.
[quote][p][bold]Peoples Choice[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peoples Choice[/bold] wrote: All these ones defending the selection and saying we should move on Id bet my bottom dollar you got out of bed at 11am Saturday morning, had a bacon roll and switched over to BT Sport at 12.40pm, then at Full Time switched channels and led up for the rest of the day. It was a total shambles from kick off to full time, stemming from dropping Boruc for Davis, whose distribution must have been a way to pay back Sunderland for the 106 goals he let in for them. We should have gone out with the team that beat Hull on Tuesday, its not like we have a game midweek or anything. We were on Saturday at 12.45pm 180mins from Wembley, and Perez and Pochettino gave it the big two fingered salute[/p][/quote]Do you know anything about football? Saints played awfully and lost. You follow the team, not pick it! It was your choice to attend the game, nobody put your arm up your back and forced you to go. Probably best you hand back your season ticket if you feel like this every time your team has an off day - grow up or go and work for the Echo sports desk. I have no patience for whiners like you.[/p][/quote]Ark at the old keyboard warrior giving it spuds from his Apple Mac which he probably streamed the game from on Saturday. No one forced me to go, I choose to go to every home and away game and feel conned after that. So having Schneiderlin, Cork, Rodrigues and Chambers on the bench who have starred recently to me is disrespecting the cup. So St Winch, evidentely short from Winchester, rather than talking rubbish on here, go and fill some sandbags before the rivers rise again[/p][/quote]I do think that changing four players can have a massive impact on a team - just look at the Fulham game - one change bringing on Cork for Victor and we were transformed. It also depends where those changes are made. Left or right back (unless it's Fox) you can usually get away with, but removing your influential keeper, centre back, bang in form holding midfielder and only pacey forward option is taking the entire spine out of your team and will be reflected in the performance. Having an off day isn't a good enough explanation Winch and I don't buy the fatigue explanation. Worst case scenario you sort training facilities in the area and stay up in the area for the two matches. If we play our best 11 we win 9 times out of 10 in my opinion. I base this on the fact that we are a way better team than Sunderland, should have beaten them twice in the league (a replay would have been OK had we drawn) and that they played a weakened team without their star performer and the ground was half full, thus removing a lot of the home advantage. It pains me to see fans and clubs disrespecting what used to be the most exciting games of any league season. I watched Sunderland play their League Cup semi against Man Utd and the ground was half empty, which is just beyond comprehension to me. Why would the league fixture (where they play a better Man Utd team and probably get beaten) sell out, but a chance for Wembley (not to mention likely priority on tickets for going to the semi when they get there) is on offer. You get drama, possible penalties and the tickets are cheaper. Don't understand it. Personally, some of my very best Saints memories come from the cups - Bolton Barry Horne goal, Zenith Data, run to the final and final against Arsenal, Man Utd away win on pens, I can honestly say that if we were in the draw against Hull or Brighton I'd be seriously excited this morning - more so than at any time during this outstanding season. The excitement of even an FA Cup semi final is something that makes memories in itself. SaintJD

3:08pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Poole Tom says...

LeTissLeGod wrote:
WHY BOTHER TO BUY AN FA & LEAGUE CUP TICKET NEXT SEASON ????????????????????

????????????????????

??????????????
I think this is the question that sums up a lot of people`s feelings today. We all know before a ball is kicked at the start of each season that if we are lucky we will see two or three great games, hopefully a few good games, some not so good and a couple of terrible one`s like on Saturday. We accept that because that is the life of most football fans. What we don`t accept is our own management seemingly not wanting to win competitions that are dear to our hearts. As a paying customer for over 40 years that does`nt seem unreasonable to me.
[quote][p][bold]LeTissLeGod[/bold] wrote: WHY BOTHER TO BUY AN FA & LEAGUE CUP TICKET NEXT SEASON ???????????????????? ???????????????????? ??????????????[/p][/quote]I think this is the question that sums up a lot of people`s feelings today. We all know before a ball is kicked at the start of each season that if we are lucky we will see two or three great games, hopefully a few good games, some not so good and a couple of terrible one`s like on Saturday. We accept that because that is the life of most football fans. What we don`t accept is our own management seemingly not wanting to win competitions that are dear to our hearts. As a paying customer for over 40 years that does`nt seem unreasonable to me. Poole Tom

3:14pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Rising_Son says...

JD, the trick, I think, is to get a good balance between making memories and making a successful future. Not an easy task, I fear.
JD, the trick, I think, is to get a good balance between making memories and making a successful future. Not an easy task, I fear. Rising_Son

3:23pm Mon 17 Feb 14

killared says...

@st1halo

You are right about the FA cup but you are wrong about the Europa League mate !. It's only clubs in the EPL who don't take that competition seriously because they think because they play in the EPL they should play in the Champions League NO !. Not long ago I saw Man U under Ferguson getting owned by Athletico Bilbao a mid table team in La liga and Ferguson filled his first 11. Athletico Madrid won the cup not long ago and they are 3 rd in La Liga so is Shatar Donestk, Benfica reach the final last year these are very good European side. I support Saint don't get me wrong but when Pochettino said that he doesn't like the Europa League knowing that he doesn't have any experience in any European cup it's a bit odd, Fair enough if he wants to play in the CL but he should get some experience before thinking about the CL in my opinion !
@st1halo You are right about the FA cup but you are wrong about the Europa League mate !. It's only clubs in the EPL who don't take that competition seriously because they think because they play in the EPL they should play in the Champions League NO !. Not long ago I saw Man U under Ferguson getting owned by Athletico Bilbao a mid table team in La liga and Ferguson filled his first 11. Athletico Madrid won the cup not long ago and they are 3 rd in La Liga so is Shatar Donestk, Benfica reach the final last year these are very good European side. I support Saint don't get me wrong but when Pochettino said that he doesn't like the Europa League knowing that he doesn't have any experience in any European cup it's a bit odd, Fair enough if he wants to play in the CL but he should get some experience before thinking about the CL in my opinion ! killared

3:30pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Confucious says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
Jan28th1984 wrote:
Stop stirring it up Echo - the game is done now and the moment is gone. We've all had our whinge and hopefully the club has taken note and learned from it. Poch was a good manager last week, a good manager this week, and will be a good manager next week, that hasn't changed. Next game is West Ham away and that is where the focus should be now - three points and continue chasing Manchester United for 7th spot. Get in Saints.
Innit.

He's the most gifted manager we've ever had. Why don't we try not p1ssing him off?
They're all going down to Staplewood soon for a good sing song......

Oh with a scowl and a frown
We'll keep our peckers down
And prepare for depression, doom and dread
We're gonna unpack our troubles from our old kit bag
And drop down dead.
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jan28th1984[/bold] wrote: Stop stirring it up Echo - the game is done now and the moment is gone. We've all had our whinge and hopefully the club has taken note and learned from it. Poch was a good manager last week, a good manager this week, and will be a good manager next week, that hasn't changed. Next game is West Ham away and that is where the focus should be now - three points and continue chasing Manchester United for 7th spot. Get in Saints.[/p][/quote]Innit. He's the most gifted manager we've ever had. Why don't we try not p1ssing him off?[/p][/quote]They're all going down to Staplewood soon for a good sing song...... Oh with a scowl and a frown We'll keep our peckers down And prepare for depression, doom and dread We're gonna unpack our troubles from our old kit bag And drop down dead. Confucious

3:49pm Mon 17 Feb 14

REDARMYRULETHESOUTH says...

beelife wrote:
Ok lets move on , what are the favoured watering holes for the saints fans for this saturday
Beeline,

A lot of fans will be going up by train with the £10 weekend offer and it is a right old laugh with other Saints Fans.

THE HOLE IN THE WALL is popular with fans for a couple of beers before pushing on the game - that's the plan.

Near the ground the MILLERS WELL and the DENMARK ARMS on the Barking Road (20 mins away) are also possibilities.

If you like the banter with Wet Spam and not easily intimated (which Saints Fans aren't) - then the DUKE OF EDINBURGH on Green Street - problem is though we don't like Wet Spam and their supporters..

TIMES HAVE CHANGED....

THERE IS STILL NEEDLE with Wet Spam after the Championship season - the arrogance that they were entitled to get promotion over us lives on. At St Mary's they come down to FIGHT and although isolated it often kicks off in the ground on a small scale.

WE ARE GOING TO WET SPAM TO WIN AND RECORD A GOOD WIN.

After the game - their supporters are not going to be happy .... ;o)

Enjoy the pre match tinnies and chanting - then the narrow CONCOURSE inside the ground is the way ahead.

WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON.

NO FEAR - NO SURRENDER

RED ARMY 2014.
UP THE PREMIER LEAGUE WE GO.
[quote][p][bold]beelife[/bold] wrote: Ok lets move on , what are the favoured watering holes for the saints fans for this saturday[/p][/quote]Beeline, A lot of fans will be going up by train with the £10 weekend offer and it is a right old laugh with other Saints Fans. THE HOLE IN THE WALL is popular with fans for a couple of beers before pushing on the game - that's the plan. Near the ground the MILLERS WELL and the DENMARK ARMS on the Barking Road (20 mins away) are also possibilities. If you like the banter with Wet Spam and not easily intimated (which Saints Fans aren't) - then the DUKE OF EDINBURGH on Green Street - problem is though we don't like Wet Spam and their supporters.. TIMES HAVE CHANGED.... THERE IS STILL NEEDLE with Wet Spam after the Championship season - the arrogance that they were entitled to get promotion over us lives on. At St Mary's they come down to FIGHT and although isolated it often kicks off in the ground on a small scale. WE ARE GOING TO WET SPAM TO WIN AND RECORD A GOOD WIN. After the game - their supporters are not going to be happy .... ;o) Enjoy the pre match tinnies and chanting - then the narrow CONCOURSE inside the ground is the way ahead. WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON. NO FEAR - NO SURRENDER RED ARMY 2014. UP THE PREMIER LEAGUE WE GO. REDARMYRULETHESOUTH

3:54pm Mon 17 Feb 14

mbetts says...

The Echo has an agenda to undermine the club at any opportunity probably bigger s*** stirrers than any of these WUM skates that invade this thread.

Bad decisions on Saturday? yes, upset fans? obviously, turn on MoPo and his staff p***** them off and forcing them out of the club? HELL NO!!!!!
The Echo has an agenda to undermine the club at any opportunity probably bigger s*** stirrers than any of these WUM skates that invade this thread. Bad decisions on Saturday? yes, upset fans? obviously, turn on MoPo and his staff p***** them off and forcing them out of the club? HELL NO!!!!! mbetts

3:57pm Mon 17 Feb 14

mickey01 says...

if luke shaw is saying that it is every players dream to play at wembley then maybe he will think that a move to a bigger club is the answer !! and how many will follow him
if luke shaw is saying that it is every players dream to play at wembley then maybe he will think that a move to a bigger club is the answer !! and how many will follow him mickey01

3:58pm Mon 17 Feb 14

St.Winch70 says...

Peoples Choice wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
Peoples Choice wrote:
All these ones defending the selection and saying we should move on Id bet my bottom dollar you got out of bed at 11am Saturday morning, had a bacon roll and switched over to BT Sport at 12.40pm, then at Full Time switched channels and led up for the rest of the day. It was a total shambles from kick off to full time, stemming from dropping Boruc for Davis, whose distribution must have been a way to pay back Sunderland for the 106 goals he let in for them. We should have gone out with the team that beat Hull on Tuesday, its not like we have a game midweek or anything. We were on Saturday at 12.45pm 180mins from Wembley, and Perez and Pochettino gave it the big two fingered salute
Do you know anything about football? Saints played awfully and lost. You follow the team, not pick it! It was your choice to attend the game, nobody put your arm up your back and forced you to go.
Probably best you hand back your season ticket if you feel like this every time your team has an off day - grow up or go and work for the Echo sports desk.
I have no patience for whiners like you.
Ark at the old keyboard warrior giving it spuds from his Apple Mac which he probably streamed the game from on Saturday. No one forced me to go, I choose to go to every home and away game and feel conned after that. So having Schneiderlin, Cork, Rodrigues and Chambers on the bench who have starred recently to me is disrespecting the cup. So St Winch, evidentely short from Winchester, rather than talking rubbish on here, go and fill some sandbags before the rivers rise again
I think you've cornered the 'talking rubbish' part. This post proves that I was right with my assessment of you. You moan about the selection...how good was Lallana, how far out was Lambert when he spooned it over the bar, where was the Captain of Kenya when Gardener picked up the ball on the edge of our box, why did Shaw fail to put in a single decent ball, and his counterpart Clyne the other future England full back, how well did he play? We had a side that should have won that game, they didn't play well and lost. Maybe you started drinking early and forgot to watch the game....but I suspect it's just a case of you really knowing f*ck all about football.
[quote][p][bold]Peoples Choice[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peoples Choice[/bold] wrote: All these ones defending the selection and saying we should move on Id bet my bottom dollar you got out of bed at 11am Saturday morning, had a bacon roll and switched over to BT Sport at 12.40pm, then at Full Time switched channels and led up for the rest of the day. It was a total shambles from kick off to full time, stemming from dropping Boruc for Davis, whose distribution must have been a way to pay back Sunderland for the 106 goals he let in for them. We should have gone out with the team that beat Hull on Tuesday, its not like we have a game midweek or anything. We were on Saturday at 12.45pm 180mins from Wembley, and Perez and Pochettino gave it the big two fingered salute[/p][/quote]Do you know anything about football? Saints played awfully and lost. You follow the team, not pick it! It was your choice to attend the game, nobody put your arm up your back and forced you to go. Probably best you hand back your season ticket if you feel like this every time your team has an off day - grow up or go and work for the Echo sports desk. I have no patience for whiners like you.[/p][/quote]Ark at the old keyboard warrior giving it spuds from his Apple Mac which he probably streamed the game from on Saturday. No one forced me to go, I choose to go to every home and away game and feel conned after that. So having Schneiderlin, Cork, Rodrigues and Chambers on the bench who have starred recently to me is disrespecting the cup. So St Winch, evidentely short from Winchester, rather than talking rubbish on here, go and fill some sandbags before the rivers rise again[/p][/quote]I think you've cornered the 'talking rubbish' part. This post proves that I was right with my assessment of you. You moan about the selection...how good was Lallana, how far out was Lambert when he spooned it over the bar, where was the Captain of Kenya when Gardener picked up the ball on the edge of our box, why did Shaw fail to put in a single decent ball, and his counterpart Clyne the other future England full back, how well did he play? We had a side that should have won that game, they didn't play well and lost. Maybe you started drinking early and forgot to watch the game....but I suspect it's just a case of you really knowing f*ck all about football. St.Winch70

4:03pm Mon 17 Feb 14

REDARMYRULETHESOUTH says...

LeTissLeGod wrote:
WHY BOTHER TO BUY AN FA & LEAGUE CUP TICKET NEXT SEASON ????????????????????

????????????????????

??????????????
UNLESS THERE IS A CHANGE IN POLICY OR STATEMENT OF INTENT FROM THE CLUB ...

SUPPORTERS WILL NOT BUY TICKETS FOR THE LEAGUE CUP AND FA CUP.

EMPTY GROUNDS WILL BE THE FUTURE AND NO MORE TRAVELLING TO AWAY GAMES.

It is true that with correct Team Selection and Effort - we could be in Sunderland's place in the League Cup Final and setting up for a thrilling Quarter Final Place with an eye on WEMBLEY in the Semis.

DISAPPOINTED AND P*SSED OFF - LOTS OF FANS ARE.

WE NOW FOCUS ON THE WET SPAM GAME AND GETTING THE WIN AGAINST AN AGRICULTURAL 19TH CENTURY TEAM OF HOOFERS.

WHO ARE WE ? - WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON - WE'RE OFF TO BRAZIL.

COYR
[quote][p][bold]LeTissLeGod[/bold] wrote: WHY BOTHER TO BUY AN FA & LEAGUE CUP TICKET NEXT SEASON ???????????????????? ???????????????????? ??????????????[/p][/quote]UNLESS THERE IS A CHANGE IN POLICY OR STATEMENT OF INTENT FROM THE CLUB ... SUPPORTERS WILL NOT BUY TICKETS FOR THE LEAGUE CUP AND FA CUP. EMPTY GROUNDS WILL BE THE FUTURE AND NO MORE TRAVELLING TO AWAY GAMES. It is true that with correct Team Selection and Effort - we could be in Sunderland's place in the League Cup Final and setting up for a thrilling Quarter Final Place with an eye on WEMBLEY in the Semis. DISAPPOINTED AND P*SSED OFF - LOTS OF FANS ARE. WE NOW FOCUS ON THE WET SPAM GAME AND GETTING THE WIN AGAINST AN AGRICULTURAL 19TH CENTURY TEAM OF HOOFERS. WHO ARE WE ? - WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON - WE'RE OFF TO BRAZIL. COYR REDARMYRULETHESOUTH

4:04pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Norwegian Saint says...

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!

This is not about MoPo, to me it is about Jesus and his pathetic interview!!!!

The result is done and dusted now we can not turn back time (unfortunately) but that is not what annoys me. Although it was a poor display, it is the fact that Jesus said he was a little sad but nobody was disappointed! Only to see Luke say he was devastated! Lallana saying it's the biggest match of the season! Fonte wanting to follow in our previous heroes!

I believe in MoPo but Jesus came out with that disgusting reaction, I never want to see him in front of the cameras again.

Could you imagine Jason Dodd coming out saying he was "a little sad"? He would be ripping the boys a new ars'hole!

So it's not MoPo or the players or the poor match.... It was that interview from Jesus that nearly broke my tv screen!
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!! This is not about MoPo, to me it is about Jesus and his pathetic interview!!!! The result is done and dusted now we can not turn back time (unfortunately) but that is not what annoys me. Although it was a poor display, it is the fact that Jesus said he was a little sad but nobody was disappointed! Only to see Luke say he was devastated! Lallana saying it's the biggest match of the season! Fonte wanting to follow in our previous heroes! I believe in MoPo but Jesus came out with that disgusting reaction, I never want to see him in front of the cameras again. Could you imagine Jason Dodd coming out saying he was "a little sad"? He would be ripping the boys a new ars'hole! So it's not MoPo or the players or the poor match.... It was that interview from Jesus that nearly broke my tv screen! Norwegian Saint

4:20pm Mon 17 Feb 14

St.Winch70 says...

REDARMYRULETHESOUTH wrote:
LeTissLeGod wrote:
WHY BOTHER TO BUY AN FA & LEAGUE CUP TICKET NEXT SEASON ????????????????????


????????????????????


??????????????
UNLESS THERE IS A CHANGE IN POLICY OR STATEMENT OF INTENT FROM THE CLUB ...

SUPPORTERS WILL NOT BUY TICKETS FOR THE LEAGUE CUP AND FA CUP.

EMPTY GROUNDS WILL BE THE FUTURE AND NO MORE TRAVELLING TO AWAY GAMES.

It is true that with correct Team Selection and Effort - we could be in Sunderland's place in the League Cup Final and setting up for a thrilling Quarter Final Place with an eye on WEMBLEY in the Semis.

DISAPPOINTED AND P*SSED OFF - LOTS OF FANS ARE.

WE NOW FOCUS ON THE WET SPAM GAME AND GETTING THE WIN AGAINST AN AGRICULTURAL 19TH CENTURY TEAM OF HOOFERS.

WHO ARE WE ? - WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON - WE'RE OFF TO BRAZIL.

COYR
Pathetic, we are Southampton, lets boycott our own club! Thanks moron, but don't speak for me. I'll happily buy a ticket for any competition that my club is in and I'll support them. If they lose, I won't demand the right to pick the team. I support the team, the manager and all that they are trying to achieve. I accept that there are games you win and games you lose...that's the nature of any sporting competition.
[quote][p][bold]REDARMYRULETHESOUTH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeTissLeGod[/bold] wrote: WHY BOTHER TO BUY AN FA & LEAGUE CUP TICKET NEXT SEASON ???????????????????? ???????????????????? ??????????????[/p][/quote]UNLESS THERE IS A CHANGE IN POLICY OR STATEMENT OF INTENT FROM THE CLUB ... SUPPORTERS WILL NOT BUY TICKETS FOR THE LEAGUE CUP AND FA CUP. EMPTY GROUNDS WILL BE THE FUTURE AND NO MORE TRAVELLING TO AWAY GAMES. It is true that with correct Team Selection and Effort - we could be in Sunderland's place in the League Cup Final and setting up for a thrilling Quarter Final Place with an eye on WEMBLEY in the Semis. DISAPPOINTED AND P*SSED OFF - LOTS OF FANS ARE. WE NOW FOCUS ON THE WET SPAM GAME AND GETTING THE WIN AGAINST AN AGRICULTURAL 19TH CENTURY TEAM OF HOOFERS. WHO ARE WE ? - WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON - WE'RE OFF TO BRAZIL. COYR[/p][/quote]Pathetic, we are Southampton, lets boycott our own club! Thanks moron, but don't speak for me. I'll happily buy a ticket for any competition that my club is in and I'll support them. If they lose, I won't demand the right to pick the team. I support the team, the manager and all that they are trying to achieve. I accept that there are games you win and games you lose...that's the nature of any sporting competition. St.Winch70

4:37pm Mon 17 Feb 14

st1halo says...

killared wrote:
@st1halo

You are right about the FA cup but you are wrong about the Europa League mate !. It's only clubs in the EPL who don't take that competition seriously because they think because they play in the EPL they should play in the Champions League NO !. Not long ago I saw Man U under Ferguson getting owned by Athletico Bilbao a mid table team in La liga and Ferguson filled his first 11. Athletico Madrid won the cup not long ago and they are 3 rd in La Liga so is Shatar Donestk, Benfica reach the final last year these are very good European side. I support Saint don't get me wrong but when Pochettino said that he doesn't like the Europa League knowing that he doesn't have any experience in any European cup it's a bit odd, Fair enough if he wants to play in the CL but he should get some experience before thinking about the CL in my opinion !
I agree kllla, We should be going for a Europa spot and getting the experience for future ventures. Everyone talks about Swansea and Newcastle but no-one mentions Fulham's achievement 4 years ago.
My point was that EUFA need to look at financial rewards for participants to stop the apathetic approach that clubs in the EPL have just as the FA do with the Cup.
The Premier League is a global success, the FA and UEFA have to realise that they need to compete to endure. If its financially rewarding, all clubs will want to suceed and managers will be expected to compete.

STID
[quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: @st1halo You are right about the FA cup but you are wrong about the Europa League mate !. It's only clubs in the EPL who don't take that competition seriously because they think because they play in the EPL they should play in the Champions League NO !. Not long ago I saw Man U under Ferguson getting owned by Athletico Bilbao a mid table team in La liga and Ferguson filled his first 11. Athletico Madrid won the cup not long ago and they are 3 rd in La Liga so is Shatar Donestk, Benfica reach the final last year these are very good European side. I support Saint don't get me wrong but when Pochettino said that he doesn't like the Europa League knowing that he doesn't have any experience in any European cup it's a bit odd, Fair enough if he wants to play in the CL but he should get some experience before thinking about the CL in my opinion ![/p][/quote]I agree kllla, We should be going for a Europa spot and getting the experience for future ventures. Everyone talks about Swansea and Newcastle but no-one mentions Fulham's achievement 4 years ago. My point was that EUFA need to look at financial rewards for participants to stop the apathetic approach that clubs in the EPL have just as the FA do with the Cup. The Premier League is a global success, the FA and UEFA have to realise that they need to compete to endure. If its financially rewarding, all clubs will want to suceed and managers will be expected to compete. STID st1halo

4:45pm Mon 17 Feb 14

beelife says...

thanks for info redarmyrulethesouth, is that the pub at waterloo. we are season ticket holders from bournemuff and will be on the train saturday coyyr
thanks for info redarmyrulethesouth, is that the pub at waterloo. we are season ticket holders from bournemuff and will be on the train saturday coyyr beelife

4:46pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Redondo Saint says...

willygetaway wrote:
saint61 wrote:
If we consider this a mistake, maybe just a misjudgement. Then it's the first one he's made.
So DE stop trying to make a major story and once again stop being so negative and start supporting the Saints. They then may welcome you back.

YOU ARE NOT THE VOICE OF THE FANS !
i totally agree, whilst not happy with the way we played at Sunderland, in the general scheme of things i,m more than happy with Mopo. who remembers are display against Arsenal? or are our memory's that short. ? i for one would like the man to stay and finish the job that he has started.or should we takje on the DE s point of view and hound out the best manager we have had in years ? i am sure that the are more than a few skunts on the DE staff up yours DE COYR saints till i die and bring on the hoffers
Its OUR not ARE you numpty
[quote][p][bold]willygetaway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: If we consider this a mistake, maybe just a misjudgement. Then it's the first one he's made. So DE stop trying to make a major story and once again stop being so negative and start supporting the Saints. They then may welcome you back. YOU ARE NOT THE VOICE OF THE FANS ![/p][/quote]i totally agree, whilst not happy with the way we played at Sunderland, in the general scheme of things i,m more than happy with Mopo. who remembers are display against Arsenal? or are our memory's that short. ? i for one would like the man to stay and finish the job that he has started.or should we takje on the DE s point of view and hound out the best manager we have had in years ? i am sure that the are more than a few skunts on the DE staff up yours DE COYR saints till i die and bring on the hoffers[/p][/quote]Its OUR not ARE you numpty Redondo Saint

4:46pm Mon 17 Feb 14

george chivers says...

st1halo wrote:
killared wrote:
@st1halo

You are right about the FA cup but you are wrong about the Europa League mate !. It's only clubs in the EPL who don't take that competition seriously because they think because they play in the EPL they should play in the Champions League NO !. Not long ago I saw Man U under Ferguson getting owned by Athletico Bilbao a mid table team in La liga and Ferguson filled his first 11. Athletico Madrid won the cup not long ago and they are 3 rd in La Liga so is Shatar Donestk, Benfica reach the final last year these are very good European side. I support Saint don't get me wrong but when Pochettino said that he doesn't like the Europa League knowing that he doesn't have any experience in any European cup it's a bit odd, Fair enough if he wants to play in the CL but he should get some experience before thinking about the CL in my opinion !
I agree kllla, We should be going for a Europa spot and getting the experience for future ventures. Everyone talks about Swansea and Newcastle but no-one mentions Fulham's achievement 4 years ago.
My point was that EUFA need to look at financial rewards for participants to stop the apathetic approach that clubs in the EPL have just as the FA do with the Cup.
The Premier League is a global success, the FA and UEFA have to realise that they need to compete to endure. If its financially rewarding, all clubs will want to suceed and managers will be expected to compete.

STID
No one mentions Fulham's success because everybody has forgotten about it.
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: @st1halo You are right about the FA cup but you are wrong about the Europa League mate !. It's only clubs in the EPL who don't take that competition seriously because they think because they play in the EPL they should play in the Champions League NO !. Not long ago I saw Man U under Ferguson getting owned by Athletico Bilbao a mid table team in La liga and Ferguson filled his first 11. Athletico Madrid won the cup not long ago and they are 3 rd in La Liga so is Shatar Donestk, Benfica reach the final last year these are very good European side. I support Saint don't get me wrong but when Pochettino said that he doesn't like the Europa League knowing that he doesn't have any experience in any European cup it's a bit odd, Fair enough if he wants to play in the CL but he should get some experience before thinking about the CL in my opinion ![/p][/quote]I agree kllla, We should be going for a Europa spot and getting the experience for future ventures. Everyone talks about Swansea and Newcastle but no-one mentions Fulham's achievement 4 years ago. My point was that EUFA need to look at financial rewards for participants to stop the apathetic approach that clubs in the EPL have just as the FA do with the Cup. The Premier League is a global success, the FA and UEFA have to realise that they need to compete to endure. If its financially rewarding, all clubs will want to suceed and managers will be expected to compete. STID[/p][/quote]No one mentions Fulham's success because everybody has forgotten about it. george chivers

4:53pm Mon 17 Feb 14

boilerman says...

I went to the capital one cup game against Bristol city, we put out a second string and the general feeling in our part of the ground was that it was a good opportunity for the fringe players to show what they could do.
As many who went will know apart from JWP and possibly JC the rest let themselves down , I know we won but Bristol City had a lot of chances and could have embarassed us if they had taken them.
Why is it when players get the chance to prove themselves they don't ? is it because they are too comfortable just training and picking up a decent salary?
I still think we should have put out our strongest team against Sunderland.
I went to the capital one cup game against Bristol city, we put out a second string and the general feeling in our part of the ground was that it was a good opportunity for the fringe players to show what they could do. As many who went will know apart from JWP and possibly JC the rest let themselves down , I know we won but Bristol City had a lot of chances and could have embarassed us if they had taken them. Why is it when players get the chance to prove themselves they don't ? is it because they are too comfortable just training and picking up a decent salary? I still think we should have put out our strongest team against Sunderland. boilerman

4:57pm Mon 17 Feb 14

REDARMYRULETHESOUTH says...

beelife wrote:
thanks for info redarmyrulethesouth, is that the pub at waterloo. we are season ticket holders from bournemuff and will be on the train saturday coyyr
YES IT IS !!

COYR
[quote][p][bold]beelife[/bold] wrote: thanks for info redarmyrulethesouth, is that the pub at waterloo. we are season ticket holders from bournemuff and will be on the train saturday coyyr[/p][/quote]YES IT IS !! COYR REDARMYRULETHESOUTH

5:01pm Mon 17 Feb 14

george chivers says...

St.Winch70 wrote:
This thread is absolute proof that many 'fans' have very limited intelligence on footballing matters.
Do you really think that Pochettino would have been happy with the way his team played on Saturday? We fielded a team with far more premiership experience than the opposition but lost.
Not a single player came out of the game with any credit including the full internationals on show and the ones touted for future stardom.
I guarantee you that Pochettino did not pick a team to lose that game, maybe he is guilty of expecting top flight players to perform effectively for 90 minutes...
Then why did he say twice last week the Europa Cup was a waste of time and not real a European competition? And why did he not enforce our press the ball tactics? He picked a team to give Sunderland a better chance of winning, because he would rather be out of the FA cup than in it.

If you can't see that, you are the person with the limited intelligence. Poch is happy with the result and so is the club.
[quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: This thread is absolute proof that many 'fans' have very limited intelligence on footballing matters. Do you really think that Pochettino would have been happy with the way his team played on Saturday? We fielded a team with far more premiership experience than the opposition but lost. Not a single player came out of the game with any credit including the full internationals on show and the ones touted for future stardom. I guarantee you that Pochettino did not pick a team to lose that game, maybe he is guilty of expecting top flight players to perform effectively for 90 minutes...[/p][/quote]Then why did he say twice last week the Europa Cup was a waste of time and not real a European competition? And why did he not enforce our press the ball tactics? He picked a team to give Sunderland a better chance of winning, because he would rather be out of the FA cup than in it. If you can't see that, you are the person with the limited intelligence. Poch is happy with the result and so is the club. george chivers

5:06pm Mon 17 Feb 14

SaintJD says...

St.Winch70 wrote:
REDARMYRULETHESOUTH wrote:
LeTissLeGod wrote:
WHY BOTHER TO BUY AN FA & LEAGUE CUP TICKET NEXT SEASON ????????????????????



????????????????????



??????????????
UNLESS THERE IS A CHANGE IN POLICY OR STATEMENT OF INTENT FROM THE CLUB ...

SUPPORTERS WILL NOT BUY TICKETS FOR THE LEAGUE CUP AND FA CUP.

EMPTY GROUNDS WILL BE THE FUTURE AND NO MORE TRAVELLING TO AWAY GAMES.

It is true that with correct Team Selection and Effort - we could be in Sunderland's place in the League Cup Final and setting up for a thrilling Quarter Final Place with an eye on WEMBLEY in the Semis.

DISAPPOINTED AND P*SSED OFF - LOTS OF FANS ARE.

WE NOW FOCUS ON THE WET SPAM GAME AND GETTING THE WIN AGAINST AN AGRICULTURAL 19TH CENTURY TEAM OF HOOFERS.

WHO ARE WE ? - WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON - WE'RE OFF TO BRAZIL.

COYR
Pathetic, we are Southampton, lets boycott our own club! Thanks moron, but don't speak for me. I'll happily buy a ticket for any competition that my club is in and I'll support them. If they lose, I won't demand the right to pick the team. I support the team, the manager and all that they are trying to achieve. I accept that there are games you win and games you lose...that's the nature of any sporting competition.
That's seriously disrespectful mate. All the guy said is that fans should not be expected to travel to Sunderland during a week or appalling weather in the middle of winter, having shelled out a significant amount of money in a recession to be told that the game wasn't really a priority and that some of the players were a little tired from Tuesday.

This is rubbish. All we expect is to give an important cup game a good go. If the players and management had gone out and battled as if their lives depended on it, no problem, but how can you possibly prioritise league games against West Ham or Hull ahead of a chance of a trophy and European football? That's madness and entirely at odds with what football is all about surely.

As for the idea that nobody cares about cup competitions anymore, tell that to all the people who didn't get a ticket for the Johnston's Paint Final a couple of years ago.

I phoned up from the first second they went on sale, literally redialling for an hour and even then only got crap tickets on the upper tier.

It was a competition that, though clearly small, kick started our momentum to the Premier League.

I'm quite happy for other clubs to disrespect the cup as much as they want (gives us a better chance of winning), but I don't think we should ever give it any less than 100%, particularly in the league cup. There is no excuse.
[quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]REDARMYRULETHESOUTH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeTissLeGod[/bold] wrote: WHY BOTHER TO BUY AN FA & LEAGUE CUP TICKET NEXT SEASON ???????????????????? ???????????????????? ??????????????[/p][/quote]UNLESS THERE IS A CHANGE IN POLICY OR STATEMENT OF INTENT FROM THE CLUB ... SUPPORTERS WILL NOT BUY TICKETS FOR THE LEAGUE CUP AND FA CUP. EMPTY GROUNDS WILL BE THE FUTURE AND NO MORE TRAVELLING TO AWAY GAMES. It is true that with correct Team Selection and Effort - we could be in Sunderland's place in the League Cup Final and setting up for a thrilling Quarter Final Place with an eye on WEMBLEY in the Semis. DISAPPOINTED AND P*SSED OFF - LOTS OF FANS ARE. WE NOW FOCUS ON THE WET SPAM GAME AND GETTING THE WIN AGAINST AN AGRICULTURAL 19TH CENTURY TEAM OF HOOFERS. WHO ARE WE ? - WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON - WE'RE OFF TO BRAZIL. COYR[/p][/quote]Pathetic, we are Southampton, lets boycott our own club! Thanks moron, but don't speak for me. I'll happily buy a ticket for any competition that my club is in and I'll support them. If they lose, I won't demand the right to pick the team. I support the team, the manager and all that they are trying to achieve. I accept that there are games you win and games you lose...that's the nature of any sporting competition.[/p][/quote]That's seriously disrespectful mate. All the guy said is that fans should not be expected to travel to Sunderland during a week or appalling weather in the middle of winter, having shelled out a significant amount of money in a recession to be told that the game wasn't really a priority and that some of the players were a little tired from Tuesday. This is rubbish. All we expect is to give an important cup game a good go. If the players and management had gone out and battled as if their lives depended on it, no problem, but how can you possibly prioritise league games against West Ham or Hull ahead of a chance of a trophy and European football? That's madness and entirely at odds with what football is all about surely. As for the idea that nobody cares about cup competitions anymore, tell that to all the people who didn't get a ticket for the Johnston's Paint Final a couple of years ago. I phoned up from the first second they went on sale, literally redialling for an hour and even then only got crap tickets on the upper tier. It was a competition that, though clearly small, kick started our momentum to the Premier League. I'm quite happy for other clubs to disrespect the cup as much as they want (gives us a better chance of winning), but I don't think we should ever give it any less than 100%, particularly in the league cup. There is no excuse. SaintJD

5:08pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Clever Dick says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Jan28th1984 wrote:
Stop stirring it up Echo - the game is done now and the moment is gone. We've all had our whinge and hopefully the club has taken note and learned from it. Poch was a good manager last week, a good manager this week, and will be a good manager next week, that hasn't changed. Next game is West Ham away and that is where the focus should be now - three points and continue chasing Manchester United for 7th spot. Get in Saints.
Innit.

He's the most gifted manager we've ever had. Why don't we try not p1ssing him off?
But what is our aim?
What is the point of beating West Ham & Liverpool, we're safe, why bother?
What is the point of having our best Manager in a decade, if he doesnt want to win Silverware and qualify for European football?
WGS once said of Lowe that he moaned about the cost of reaching the FA Cup final, that is no different to MoPo not wanting to qualify for Europe!
Yes exactly.Why should we fans have to roll over and accept that it's all about the money,and there's nothing we can do about it?
Its not about the money to us,its about the football,and the winning,and the pride,and the bragging rights.What's the point in following football at all,if it isn't about the team you support,winning their games?
Following football and supporting a team are not the same thing. Winning is only important if you sport a particular team.

You also don't have to roll over and accept that it's all about money. Of course, that could take you down the same page path as our blue neighbours.
Well that's my point,it's basically about fans verses the businessmen now,and the businessmen are winning ten nil at the moment!
The businessmen will always win for the simple reason that it is their club and their money. Markus was a hugely successful businessman and it was his money (along with the vision of a certain Mr. Cortese) which got us back to the league that we belong in. We've been on a fantastic 3 year journey as a result of this business man's influence on our club. When 1 league position is worth more than winning the fa cup how can anybody expect those same business people to suddenly do an about turn. You can't have it both ways. So the highest league position we can attain is the current ambition of the club. If we never attain anything higher and continue playing attractive football then most fans will be happy. It's money that talks and even the very top teams target a champions league place first and the title second. Why? Money!
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jan28th1984[/bold] wrote: Stop stirring it up Echo - the game is done now and the moment is gone. We've all had our whinge and hopefully the club has taken note and learned from it. Poch was a good manager last week, a good manager this week, and will be a good manager next week, that hasn't changed. Next game is West Ham away and that is where the focus should be now - three points and continue chasing Manchester United for 7th spot. Get in Saints.[/p][/quote]Innit. He's the most gifted manager we've ever had. Why don't we try not p1ssing him off?[/p][/quote]But what is our aim? What is the point of beating West Ham & Liverpool, we're safe, why bother? What is the point of having our best Manager in a decade, if he doesnt want to win Silverware and qualify for European football? WGS once said of Lowe that he moaned about the cost of reaching the FA Cup final, that is no different to MoPo not wanting to qualify for Europe![/p][/quote]Yes exactly.Why should we fans have to roll over and accept that it's all about the money,and there's nothing we can do about it? Its not about the money to us,its about the football,and the winning,and the pride,and the bragging rights.What's the point in following football at all,if it isn't about the team you support,winning their games?[/p][/quote]Following football and supporting a team are not the same thing. Winning is only important if you sport a particular team. You also don't have to roll over and accept that it's all about money. Of course, that could take you down the same page path as our blue neighbours.[/p][/quote]Well that's my point,it's basically about fans verses the businessmen now,and the businessmen are winning ten nil at the moment![/p][/quote]The businessmen will always win for the simple reason that it is their club and their money. Markus was a hugely successful businessman and it was his money (along with the vision of a certain Mr. Cortese) which got us back to the league that we belong in. We've been on a fantastic 3 year journey as a result of this business man's influence on our club. When 1 league position is worth more than winning the fa cup how can anybody expect those same business people to suddenly do an about turn. You can't have it both ways. So the highest league position we can attain is the current ambition of the club. If we never attain anything higher and continue playing attractive football then most fans will be happy. It's money that talks and even the very top teams target a champions league place first and the title second. Why? Money! Clever Dick

5:17pm Mon 17 Feb 14

SaintJD says...

boilerman wrote:
I went to the capital one cup game against Bristol city, we put out a second string and the general feeling in our part of the ground was that it was a good opportunity for the fringe players to show what they could do.
As many who went will know apart from JWP and possibly JC the rest let themselves down , I know we won but Bristol City had a lot of chances and could have embarassed us if they had taken them.
Why is it when players get the chance to prove themselves they don't ? is it because they are too comfortable just training and picking up a decent salary?
I still think we should have put out our strongest team against Sunderland.
The problem is the same in international friendlies - rather than keep the strong side and just change one or two, the tendency is to either play your best side and take it seriously or throw five or six new players together for the second half when the game is won and there is nothing to play for.

The established players don't have much to prove and are on a hiding to nothing playing with players they are not as confident with so their performance drops a couple of percent, the new guys feel under pressure because they've got to shine even when the real impact players aren't around them to help them out or feed them.

For instance, if you just lose Fonte at least Boruc is still there to keep the continuity and Cork is there for assurance and cover. But lose all three and suddenly the defensive unit is a little bit unsure of itself.

Equally, J-Rod's pace and energy is essential to our style and threat. I think it's a tiny bit unfair on Guly to ask him to fill that role because, frankly, he's always been a last 15 minutes striker to bolster our physical presence, nothing more. He's done that role OK when he's been asked, but he is not someone who will cause any defence any kind of problem.

So my point is, if you want any player to stand a chance of impressing, put your best players around him to give him a valid chance.
[quote][p][bold]boilerman[/bold] wrote: I went to the capital one cup game against Bristol city, we put out a second string and the general feeling in our part of the ground was that it was a good opportunity for the fringe players to show what they could do. As many who went will know apart from JWP and possibly JC the rest let themselves down , I know we won but Bristol City had a lot of chances and could have embarassed us if they had taken them. Why is it when players get the chance to prove themselves they don't ? is it because they are too comfortable just training and picking up a decent salary? I still think we should have put out our strongest team against Sunderland.[/p][/quote]The problem is the same in international friendlies - rather than keep the strong side and just change one or two, the tendency is to either play your best side and take it seriously or throw five or six new players together for the second half when the game is won and there is nothing to play for. The established players don't have much to prove and are on a hiding to nothing playing with players they are not as confident with so their performance drops a couple of percent, the new guys feel under pressure because they've got to shine even when the real impact players aren't around them to help them out or feed them. For instance, if you just lose Fonte at least Boruc is still there to keep the continuity and Cork is there for assurance and cover. But lose all three and suddenly the defensive unit is a little bit unsure of itself. Equally, J-Rod's pace and energy is essential to our style and threat. I think it's a tiny bit unfair on Guly to ask him to fill that role because, frankly, he's always been a last 15 minutes striker to bolster our physical presence, nothing more. He's done that role OK when he's been asked, but he is not someone who will cause any defence any kind of problem. So my point is, if you want any player to stand a chance of impressing, put your best players around him to give him a valid chance. SaintJD

5:20pm Mon 17 Feb 14

jcpsaints says...

FA Cup Sunderland v Saints
Do Prado for an hour. Hooiveld, Wanyama & Yoshida were all a total letdown & contributed very little during such a major occasion on this Saturday cup fixture. Two of the above also at fault for the deciding winning goal. I can honestly say I am done with this season after that selection, reason being the Saints coaching staff put out a chosen weakened lineup and for disrespecting the 900 or so fans who got up and spent good earned money and had left at around 4am to travel at least a 632 mile trip to see that selection and performance.
Mr Pocchetino you can now leave for all I care because I am not investing anymore of my time on the Saints for quite a while. So disrespectful. If you don't care at all about this famous historic tournament then please tell the supporters.. That was totally pathetic because I truly feel that I could of managed a stronger lineup and team performance that would of given us a better chance of reaching the quarter finals. I know I could, we all could. Glorious chance of making new history for the football club and city, what's very frustrating is that we never gave ourselves , the city and most importantly the fans the best opportunity of accomplishing that task. To ask for our best inform players to start and considering our league position I honestly feel that this was not too much to ask for at all. If it was then I really do feel like giving up.

James Penney Atlanta USA
life long Southampton fan.
FA Cup Sunderland v Saints Do Prado for an hour. Hooiveld, Wanyama & Yoshida were all a total letdown & contributed very little during such a major occasion on this Saturday cup fixture. Two of the above also at fault for the deciding winning goal. I can honestly say I am done with this season after that selection, reason being the Saints coaching staff put out a chosen weakened lineup and for disrespecting the 900 or so fans who got up and spent good earned money and had left at around 4am to travel at least a 632 mile trip to see that selection and performance. Mr Pocchetino you can now leave for all I care because I am not investing anymore of my time on the Saints for quite a while. So disrespectful. If you don't care at all about this famous historic tournament then please tell the supporters.. That was totally pathetic because I truly feel that I could of managed a stronger lineup and team performance that would of given us a better chance of reaching the quarter finals. I know I could, we all could. Glorious chance of making new history for the football club and city, what's very frustrating is that we never gave ourselves , the city and most importantly the fans the best opportunity of accomplishing that task. To ask for our best inform players to start and considering our league position I honestly feel that this was not too much to ask for at all. If it was then I really do feel like giving up. James Penney Atlanta USA life long Southampton fan. jcpsaints

5:23pm Mon 17 Feb 14

SaintJD says...

SaintJD wrote:
boilerman wrote:
I went to the capital one cup game against Bristol city, we put out a second string and the general feeling in our part of the ground was that it was a good opportunity for the fringe players to show what they could do.
As many who went will know apart from JWP and possibly JC the rest let themselves down , I know we won but Bristol City had a lot of chances and could have embarassed us if they had taken them.
Why is it when players get the chance to prove themselves they don't ? is it because they are too comfortable just training and picking up a decent salary?
I still think we should have put out our strongest team against Sunderland.
The problem is the same in international friendlies - rather than keep the strong side and just change one or two, the tendency is to either play your best side and take it seriously or throw five or six new players together for the second half when the game is won and there is nothing to play for.

The established players don't have much to prove and are on a hiding to nothing playing with players they are not as confident with so their performance drops a couple of percent, the new guys feel under pressure because they've got to shine even when the real impact players aren't around them to help them out or feed them.

For instance, if you just lose Fonte at least Boruc is still there to keep the continuity and Cork is there for assurance and cover. But lose all three and suddenly the defensive unit is a little bit unsure of itself.

Equally, J-Rod's pace and energy is essential to our style and threat. I think it's a tiny bit unfair on Guly to ask him to fill that role because, frankly, he's always been a last 15 minutes striker to bolster our physical presence, nothing more. He's done that role OK when he's been asked, but he is not someone who will cause any defence any kind of problem.

So my point is, if you want any player to stand a chance of impressing, put your best players around him to give him a valid chance.
Oh, and that's not forgetting that most of the players we gave a chance to, bar JWP and Clyne clearly, have already shown us what the can do. I don't need further proof that Hoover, Kelvin and Guly are good solid professionals who have served the club well and done a good job for us, but I've also seen enough to know that they aren't going to suddenly jump up and surprise me by keeping anyone else out of the side on merit.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boilerman[/bold] wrote: I went to the capital one cup game against Bristol city, we put out a second string and the general feeling in our part of the ground was that it was a good opportunity for the fringe players to show what they could do. As many who went will know apart from JWP and possibly JC the rest let themselves down , I know we won but Bristol City had a lot of chances and could have embarassed us if they had taken them. Why is it when players get the chance to prove themselves they don't ? is it because they are too comfortable just training and picking up a decent salary? I still think we should have put out our strongest team against Sunderland.[/p][/quote]The problem is the same in international friendlies - rather than keep the strong side and just change one or two, the tendency is to either play your best side and take it seriously or throw five or six new players together for the second half when the game is won and there is nothing to play for. The established players don't have much to prove and are on a hiding to nothing playing with players they are not as confident with so their performance drops a couple of percent, the new guys feel under pressure because they've got to shine even when the real impact players aren't around them to help them out or feed them. For instance, if you just lose Fonte at least Boruc is still there to keep the continuity and Cork is there for assurance and cover. But lose all three and suddenly the defensive unit is a little bit unsure of itself. Equally, J-Rod's pace and energy is essential to our style and threat. I think it's a tiny bit unfair on Guly to ask him to fill that role because, frankly, he's always been a last 15 minutes striker to bolster our physical presence, nothing more. He's done that role OK when he's been asked, but he is not someone who will cause any defence any kind of problem. So my point is, if you want any player to stand a chance of impressing, put your best players around him to give him a valid chance.[/p][/quote]Oh, and that's not forgetting that most of the players we gave a chance to, bar JWP and Clyne clearly, have already shown us what the can do. I don't need further proof that Hoover, Kelvin and Guly are good solid professionals who have served the club well and done a good job for us, but I've also seen enough to know that they aren't going to suddenly jump up and surprise me by keeping anyone else out of the side on merit. SaintJD

5:31pm Mon 17 Feb 14

St.Winch70 says...

SaintJD wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
REDARMYRULETHESOUTH wrote:
LeTissLeGod wrote:
WHY BOTHER TO BUY AN FA & LEAGUE CUP TICKET NEXT SEASON ????????????????????




????????????????????




??????????????
UNLESS THERE IS A CHANGE IN POLICY OR STATEMENT OF INTENT FROM THE CLUB ...

SUPPORTERS WILL NOT BUY TICKETS FOR THE LEAGUE CUP AND FA CUP.

EMPTY GROUNDS WILL BE THE FUTURE AND NO MORE TRAVELLING TO AWAY GAMES.

It is true that with correct Team Selection and Effort - we could be in Sunderland's place in the League Cup Final and setting up for a thrilling Quarter Final Place with an eye on WEMBLEY in the Semis.

DISAPPOINTED AND P*SSED OFF - LOTS OF FANS ARE.

WE NOW FOCUS ON THE WET SPAM GAME AND GETTING THE WIN AGAINST AN AGRICULTURAL 19TH CENTURY TEAM OF HOOFERS.

WHO ARE WE ? - WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON - WE'RE OFF TO BRAZIL.

COYR
Pathetic, we are Southampton, lets boycott our own club! Thanks moron, but don't speak for me. I'll happily buy a ticket for any competition that my club is in and I'll support them. If they lose, I won't demand the right to pick the team. I support the team, the manager and all that they are trying to achieve. I accept that there are games you win and games you lose...that's the nature of any sporting competition.
That's seriously disrespectful mate. All the guy said is that fans should not be expected to travel to Sunderland during a week or appalling weather in the middle of winter, having shelled out a significant amount of money in a recession to be told that the game wasn't really a priority and that some of the players were a little tired from Tuesday.

This is rubbish. All we expect is to give an important cup game a good go. If the players and management had gone out and battled as if their lives depended on it, no problem, but how can you possibly prioritise league games against West Ham or Hull ahead of a chance of a trophy and European football? That's madness and entirely at odds with what football is all about surely.

As for the idea that nobody cares about cup competitions anymore, tell that to all the people who didn't get a ticket for the Johnston's Paint Final a couple of years ago.

I phoned up from the first second they went on sale, literally redialling for an hour and even then only got crap tickets on the upper tier.

It was a competition that, though clearly small, kick started our momentum to the Premier League.

I'm quite happy for other clubs to disrespect the cup as much as they want (gives us a better chance of winning), but I don't think we should ever give it any less than 100%, particularly in the league cup. There is no excuse.
Why should I respect someone who calls on supporters to boycott their own team. Where is his mandate to speak for fans? No-one forces you to buy a ticket for any match, you do it by choice. If Lambert and Lallana had taken their chances and we'd won, then none of these idiots would be carping on. Fact is we lost, our players didn't perform, it's happened so move on. Too much emotive nonsense being spouted and idiots trying to blame team selection, when the eleven premiership players simply didn't perform! So again, before I look to blame the manager I'll ask why was Kelvin's handling and distribution so poor? Why were Clyne and Shaw so lacking in quality? Why did Wanyama, Davis and JWP not boss the midfield? Why was Lallana so ineffectual? How did Lambert miss an open goal from three yards? These are all questions being asked of Premiership quality players who, collectively, on the day were very poor. That is why we lost this game.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]REDARMYRULETHESOUTH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeTissLeGod[/bold] wrote: WHY BOTHER TO BUY AN FA & LEAGUE CUP TICKET NEXT SEASON ???????????????????? ???????????????????? ??????????????[/p][/quote]UNLESS THERE IS A CHANGE IN POLICY OR STATEMENT OF INTENT FROM THE CLUB ... SUPPORTERS WILL NOT BUY TICKETS FOR THE LEAGUE CUP AND FA CUP. EMPTY GROUNDS WILL BE THE FUTURE AND NO MORE TRAVELLING TO AWAY GAMES. It is true that with correct Team Selection and Effort - we could be in Sunderland's place in the League Cup Final and setting up for a thrilling Quarter Final Place with an eye on WEMBLEY in the Semis. DISAPPOINTED AND P*SSED OFF - LOTS OF FANS ARE. WE NOW FOCUS ON THE WET SPAM GAME AND GETTING THE WIN AGAINST AN AGRICULTURAL 19TH CENTURY TEAM OF HOOFERS. WHO ARE WE ? - WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON - WE'RE OFF TO BRAZIL. COYR[/p][/quote]Pathetic, we are Southampton, lets boycott our own club! Thanks moron, but don't speak for me. I'll happily buy a ticket for any competition that my club is in and I'll support them. If they lose, I won't demand the right to pick the team. I support the team, the manager and all that they are trying to achieve. I accept that there are games you win and games you lose...that's the nature of any sporting competition.[/p][/quote]That's seriously disrespectful mate. All the guy said is that fans should not be expected to travel to Sunderland during a week or appalling weather in the middle of winter, having shelled out a significant amount of money in a recession to be told that the game wasn't really a priority and that some of the players were a little tired from Tuesday. This is rubbish. All we expect is to give an important cup game a good go. If the players and management had gone out and battled as if their lives depended on it, no problem, but how can you possibly prioritise league games against West Ham or Hull ahead of a chance of a trophy and European football? That's madness and entirely at odds with what football is all about surely. As for the idea that nobody cares about cup competitions anymore, tell that to all the people who didn't get a ticket for the Johnston's Paint Final a couple of years ago. I phoned up from the first second they went on sale, literally redialling for an hour and even then only got crap tickets on the upper tier. It was a competition that, though clearly small, kick started our momentum to the Premier League. I'm quite happy for other clubs to disrespect the cup as much as they want (gives us a better chance of winning), but I don't think we should ever give it any less than 100%, particularly in the league cup. There is no excuse.[/p][/quote]Why should I respect someone who calls on supporters to boycott their own team. Where is his mandate to speak for fans? No-one forces you to buy a ticket for any match, you do it by choice. If Lambert and Lallana had taken their chances and we'd won, then none of these idiots would be carping on. Fact is we lost, our players didn't perform, it's happened so move on. Too much emotive nonsense being spouted and idiots trying to blame team selection, when the eleven premiership players simply didn't perform! So again, before I look to blame the manager I'll ask why was Kelvin's handling and distribution so poor? Why were Clyne and Shaw so lacking in quality? Why did Wanyama, Davis and JWP not boss the midfield? Why was Lallana so ineffectual? How did Lambert miss an open goal from three yards? These are all questions being asked of Premiership quality players who, collectively, on the day were very poor. That is why we lost this game. St.Winch70

5:39pm Mon 17 Feb 14

The_Shotster says...

geees be serious! More disappointed than furious. The Echo would have been all over us if we'd beaten Sunderland on Saturday. Poor, weak story lines. grow up!! The players didn't show up.
geees be serious! More disappointed than furious. The Echo would have been all over us if we'd beaten Sunderland on Saturday. Poor, weak story lines. grow up!! The players didn't show up. The_Shotster

5:45pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Rank Xerox says...

The Daily Echo can't win can they. No matter what they right and I don't think there is anything wrong with headline 'Saints fans furious with Pochettino after FA Cup exit' taking in to account all the posts posted on this website that I read over the weekend summed up that headline.

I am getting a bit tired of reading too many posts from so cold fans saying the DE don't know what they are writing about and they don't represent the fans.

It is the DE website that alows you to post your views/concerns/frust
rations etc. If people don't like what they write I am more than happy for them to post on the website of the rag down the road instead.
The Daily Echo can't win can they. No matter what they right and I don't think there is anything wrong with headline 'Saints fans furious with Pochettino after FA Cup exit' taking in to account all the posts posted on this website that I read over the weekend summed up that headline. I am getting a bit tired of reading too many posts from so cold fans saying the DE don't know what they are writing about and they don't represent the fans. It is the DE website that alows you to post your views/concerns/frust rations etc. If people don't like what they write I am more than happy for them to post on the website of the rag down the road instead. Rank Xerox

6:10pm Mon 17 Feb 14

loosehead says...

How many points have we got? how many games are left? is there any mathematical chance of us being dragged into the relegation dogfight?
we had a blip when key players were injured do we want to take that chance & play them in the FA cup?
surely to finish as high as we possibly can & then build on the squad for next season is the way to go isn't it?
yes I think the fans should have been warned we weren't going to contest in this match as Lamberts miss seems to round it all up "the club" didn't want to go further in this competition & the players knew it
How many points have we got? how many games are left? is there any mathematical chance of us being dragged into the relegation dogfight? we had a blip when key players were injured do we want to take that chance & play them in the FA cup? surely to finish as high as we possibly can & then build on the squad for next season is the way to go isn't it? yes I think the fans should have been warned we weren't going to contest in this match as Lamberts miss seems to round it all up "the club" didn't want to go further in this competition & the players knew it loosehead

6:10pm Mon 17 Feb 14

TheSaintsSoothsayer says...

Ontario Saint wrote:
What is the Echo trying to do? It comes across to me that the Echo is the spokesperson for the Saints fans which mos definitely they are not.
I am sure if I was Poch , it would make me very unwelcome as the Saints Manager . As such it could prove instrumental to the best Manager the Saints have ever had l leaving the Club at the end of the season.

The guy made a genuine mistake knowing the players had travelled to the North East TWICE within 3 days....they were probably suffering from fatigue.

The Ech is far far too sensational in writing GARBAGE like this and they have absolutely no right to speak for the Fans who have been delighted by what Poch has done for the Club.

Lets get behind him for the rest of the season . If Man U think they can get into the top 4 , then why should Saints not go for it too as we are only 3 ponts behind them?
Sorry but this post is a load of garbage, not the article and funnily enough from someone who doesn't even live in the UK.

Before you feel too bad for the professional players of Saints, on a fortune weekly, who played at Hull & Sunderland, just reflect that they flew up the night before, rested overnight in a plush hotel. Played the games and flew back.. In each case the travelling fans had 12 hours, at least, on a coach!!

They have every right to complain about that GARBAGE served up on Saturday.

The message Pochetinno has given out, and it seems you've swallowed it, is I'm happy to fight for midtable mediocrity, I'm not bothered about your famed FA Cup.

FA Cup winners are remembered - Clubs finishing in mid-table are not. As far as I'm concerned, and I'm a season ticket holder, my season ends here. Why should I spend my hard earned supporting a club that doesn't give a fook? Why should I. Supported Saints for many, many years and never seen fans treated so shabbily.
[quote][p][bold]Ontario Saint[/bold] wrote: What is the Echo trying to do? It comes across to me that the Echo is the spokesperson for the Saints fans which mos definitely they are not. I am sure if I was Poch , it would make me very unwelcome as the Saints Manager . As such it could prove instrumental to the best Manager the Saints have ever had l leaving the Club at the end of the season. The guy made a genuine mistake knowing the players had travelled to the North East TWICE within 3 days....they were probably suffering from fatigue. The Ech is far far too sensational in writing GARBAGE like this and they have absolutely no right to speak for the Fans who have been delighted by what Poch has done for the Club. Lets get behind him for the rest of the season . If Man U think they can get into the top 4 , then why should Saints not go for it too as we are only 3 ponts behind them?[/p][/quote]Sorry but this post is a load of garbage, not the article and funnily enough from someone who doesn't even live in the UK. Before you feel too bad for the professional players of Saints, on a fortune weekly, who played at Hull & Sunderland, just reflect that they flew up the night before, rested overnight in a plush hotel. Played the games and flew back.. In each case the travelling fans had 12 hours, at least, on a coach!! They have every right to complain about that GARBAGE served up on Saturday. The message Pochetinno has given out, and it seems you've swallowed it, is I'm happy to fight for midtable mediocrity, I'm not bothered about your famed FA Cup. FA Cup winners are remembered - Clubs finishing in mid-table are not. As far as I'm concerned, and I'm a season ticket holder, my season ends here. Why should I spend my hard earned supporting a club that doesn't give a fook? Why should I. Supported Saints for many, many years and never seen fans treated so shabbily. TheSaintsSoothsayer

6:10pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Emsworthsaint says...

Tony in Liberia wrote:
Ok, let's get some perspective here.

We would probably all agree that Guly had his worst 45 minutes for us, and probably shouldn't have been in the team.

Other than that, this wasn't a team that disrespected the cup. Up front, we had Llalana & Lambert, probably our two biggest heroes.

Midfield, we had Wanyama, our biggest signing still at the club, & Ward-Prowse, who a few days ago many of us were saying should go to the World Cup in Brasil, and in any case should be a mainstay of the England team for years to come. Beside them we had Davis, one of our best performers all year.

In defense, Shaw & Clyne are two of our best players, and again people are talking of them going to the world cup.

WIth Lovren unavailable, Maya has looked pretty good beside Fonte, but with him having gashed shins it made sense to play Hooveild. And they did pretty well; Sunderland only had one shot all game, and that was a wonder-strike that the guy would probably put over the bar 9 times out of ten.

Davies in goal - you have to keep the goalie fresh, and that shot would of beaten almost any keeper in the world.

So, not a bad team - the problem was that they played complete carp.

Should we blame Poch for Lambert putting it over the bar from 3 yards? Should we blame Poch because JWP scuffed his shot into the ground? Should we blame Poch because Shaw & Clyne didn't put in a decent cross all game? For Llalana producing one of his worst games so far? For Wanyama & JWP playing as if they'd never even met each other before?

No, if you're going to blame anyone for this, blame the players before Poch; this team was good enough, but they just didn't play.

That happens sometimes; maybe they started believing their nbame was on the cup? They were playing like a team who believed they deserved to win the game befoer it had started, and didn't need to put in the effort that's always required.

It's true that Poch doesn't want the Europa League, and maybe that had an effect on the urgency he put into his team talk, we'll never know. But I believe everyone at St Mary's wanted to win this game; they just messed it up on the day. That happens - let's get over it! This has still been a great season, this team is still performing amazingly, and this was one game where we just didn't play.

And as for Jesus' comments, what else should he say? It's ok for the fans to go crazy, but he & the managemtn team have to keep the team going for the rest of hte season, and they won't do that by slagging off anyone, ranting about the performance, or letting negativity into the team. Their job is to keep the spirit up, keep the team believing, and keep them focussed on the next game, the next goal. Maybe he phrased it badly, but he didn't have Poch's translator.

Yes, I'm gutted we are out of the Cup - apart from anything else, I would of won £3,000 on Betfair - but we'll get much further accepting that this was a game where weplayed within the limits of the squad available to us, and that some of our best players had incredibly off days.

And then we move on to the next game, and moving up the league if possible.
Tony, I agree with you. A nicely balanced comment. All sport is full of 'if only's', i.e. If only Wanyama got stuck into their scorer, he never would have had that shot. But W ducked out of it and the goal came.
[quote][p][bold]Tony in Liberia[/bold] wrote: Ok, let's get some perspective here. We would probably all agree that Guly had his worst 45 minutes for us, and probably shouldn't have been in the team. Other than that, this wasn't a team that disrespected the cup. Up front, we had Llalana & Lambert, probably our two biggest heroes. Midfield, we had Wanyama, our biggest signing still at the club, & Ward-Prowse, who a few days ago many of us were saying should go to the World Cup in Brasil, and in any case should be a mainstay of the England team for years to come. Beside them we had Davis, one of our best performers all year. In defense, Shaw & Clyne are two of our best players, and again people are talking of them going to the world cup. WIth Lovren unavailable, Maya has looked pretty good beside Fonte, but with him having gashed shins it made sense to play Hooveild. And they did pretty well; Sunderland only had one shot all game, and that was a wonder-strike that the guy would probably put over the bar 9 times out of ten. Davies in goal - you have to keep the goalie fresh, and that shot would of beaten almost any keeper in the world. So, not a bad team - the problem was that they played complete carp. Should we blame Poch for Lambert putting it over the bar from 3 yards? Should we blame Poch because JWP scuffed his shot into the ground? Should we blame Poch because Shaw & Clyne didn't put in a decent cross all game? For Llalana producing one of his worst games so far? For Wanyama & JWP playing as if they'd never even met each other before? No, if you're going to blame anyone for this, blame the players before Poch; this team was good enough, but they just didn't play. That happens sometimes; maybe they started believing their nbame was on the cup? They were playing like a team who believed they deserved to win the game befoer it had started, and didn't need to put in the effort that's always required. It's true that Poch doesn't want the Europa League, and maybe that had an effect on the urgency he put into his team talk, we'll never know. But I believe everyone at St Mary's wanted to win this game; they just messed it up on the day. That happens - let's get over it! This has still been a great season, this team is still performing amazingly, and this was one game where we just didn't play. And as for Jesus' comments, what else should he say? It's ok for the fans to go crazy, but he & the managemtn team have to keep the team going for the rest of hte season, and they won't do that by slagging off anyone, ranting about the performance, or letting negativity into the team. Their job is to keep the spirit up, keep the team believing, and keep them focussed on the next game, the next goal. Maybe he phrased it badly, but he didn't have Poch's translator. Yes, I'm gutted we are out of the Cup - apart from anything else, I would of won £3,000 on Betfair - but we'll get much further accepting that this was a game where weplayed within the limits of the squad available to us, and that some of our best players had incredibly off days. And then we move on to the next game, and moving up the league if possible.[/p][/quote]Tony, I agree with you. A nicely balanced comment. All sport is full of 'if only's', i.e. If only Wanyama got stuck into their scorer, he never would have had that shot. But W ducked out of it and the goal came. Emsworthsaint

6:12pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Changing the subject...Clattenbur
g is reffing the West Ham game...aaargh!!
Changing the subject...Clattenbur g is reffing the West Ham game...aaargh!! Positively4thStreet

6:17pm Mon 17 Feb 14

st1halo says...

george chivers wrote:
st1halo wrote:
killared wrote:
@st1halo

You are right about the FA cup but you are wrong about the Europa League mate !. It's only clubs in the EPL who don't take that competition seriously because they think because they play in the EPL they should play in the Champions League NO !. Not long ago I saw Man U under Ferguson getting owned by Athletico Bilbao a mid table team in La liga and Ferguson filled his first 11. Athletico Madrid won the cup not long ago and they are 3 rd in La Liga so is Shatar Donestk, Benfica reach the final last year these are very good European side. I support Saint don't get me wrong but when Pochettino said that he doesn't like the Europa League knowing that he doesn't have any experience in any European cup it's a bit odd, Fair enough if he wants to play in the CL but he should get some experience before thinking about the CL in my opinion !
I agree kllla, We should be going for a Europa spot and getting the experience for future ventures. Everyone talks about Swansea and Newcastle but no-one mentions Fulham's achievement 4 years ago.
My point was that EUFA need to look at financial rewards for participants to stop the apathetic approach that clubs in the EPL have just as the FA do with the Cup.
The Premier League is a global success, the FA and UEFA have to realise that they need to compete to endure. If its financially rewarding, all clubs will want to suceed and managers will be expected to compete.

STID
No one mentions Fulham's success because everybody has forgotten about it.
Maybe George, but I suspect the Fulham fans who went enjoyed the campaign and had the day out of their lives. They won't forget... ever.

STID
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: @st1halo You are right about the FA cup but you are wrong about the Europa League mate !. It's only clubs in the EPL who don't take that competition seriously because they think because they play in the EPL they should play in the Champions League NO !. Not long ago I saw Man U under Ferguson getting owned by Athletico Bilbao a mid table team in La liga and Ferguson filled his first 11. Athletico Madrid won the cup not long ago and they are 3 rd in La Liga so is Shatar Donestk, Benfica reach the final last year these are very good European side. I support Saint don't get me wrong but when Pochettino said that he doesn't like the Europa League knowing that he doesn't have any experience in any European cup it's a bit odd, Fair enough if he wants to play in the CL but he should get some experience before thinking about the CL in my opinion ![/p][/quote]I agree kllla, We should be going for a Europa spot and getting the experience for future ventures. Everyone talks about Swansea and Newcastle but no-one mentions Fulham's achievement 4 years ago. My point was that EUFA need to look at financial rewards for participants to stop the apathetic approach that clubs in the EPL have just as the FA do with the Cup. The Premier League is a global success, the FA and UEFA have to realise that they need to compete to endure. If its financially rewarding, all clubs will want to suceed and managers will be expected to compete. STID[/p][/quote]No one mentions Fulham's success because everybody has forgotten about it.[/p][/quote]Maybe George, but I suspect the Fulham fans who went enjoyed the campaign and had the day out of their lives. They won't forget... ever. STID st1halo

6:29pm Mon 17 Feb 14

TheSaintsSoothsayer says...

Confucious wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Jan28th1984 wrote:
Stop stirring it up Echo - the game is done now and the moment is gone. We've all had our whinge and hopefully the club has taken note and learned from it. Poch was a good manager last week, a good manager this week, and will be a good manager next week, that hasn't changed. Next game is West Ham away and that is where the focus should be now - three points and continue chasing Manchester United for 7th spot. Get in Saints.
Innit.

He's the most gifted manager we've ever had. Why don't we try not p1ssing him off?
They're all going down to Staplewood soon for a good sing song......

Oh with a scowl and a frown
We'll keep our peckers down
And prepare for depression, doom and dread
We're gonna unpack our troubles from our old kit bag
And drop down dead.
D1CKHEAD
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jan28th1984[/bold] wrote: Stop stirring it up Echo - the game is done now and the moment is gone. We've all had our whinge and hopefully the club has taken note and learned from it. Poch was a good manager last week, a good manager this week, and will be a good manager next week, that hasn't changed. Next game is West Ham away and that is where the focus should be now - three points and continue chasing Manchester United for 7th spot. Get in Saints.[/p][/quote]Innit. He's the most gifted manager we've ever had. Why don't we try not p1ssing him off?[/p][/quote]They're all going down to Staplewood soon for a good sing song...... Oh with a scowl and a frown We'll keep our peckers down And prepare for depression, doom and dread We're gonna unpack our troubles from our old kit bag And drop down dead.[/p][/quote]D1CKHEAD TheSaintsSoothsayer

6:32pm Mon 17 Feb 14

REDARMYRULETHESOUTH says...

SO WHERE ARE WE after all the posting and dissecting the weekend.

We know that we have a TOP TEAM and TOP PLAYERS. If we play them and they perform - we get good results like at Cardiif Fulham and Hull Away.

If we played Saturdays Team with Hoover Kevin Guly etc given that they have not played as a Team before and their ability against Wet Spam - we would more than likely lose the game - so it is too simplistic to say that we picked a good side against Sunderland and they did not perform. That is only part of the answer.

REGARDING LEAGUE GAMES like Liverpool and Man City etc at Home we will sell out and our AWAY SUPPORTERS ARE MAGNIFICENT - Wet Spam and Palace are sure to sell out.

SAINTS SUPPORTERS will no doubt be wary of going to the Cup Competitions next Season having this years experience and the experience under Nigel who was keen to throw Cup games to concentrate on the League.

Knowing that Squad Players are likely to be used - individual choice will dictate - but be prepared for a lot more empty seats UNLESS THINGS CHANGE IN THE CUP.

LOOKING FORWARD TO THE WIN vs THE SPAMMERS.

COYR
SO WHERE ARE WE after all the posting and dissecting the weekend. We know that we have a TOP TEAM and TOP PLAYERS. If we play them and they perform - we get good results like at Cardiif Fulham and Hull Away. If we played Saturdays Team with Hoover Kevin Guly etc given that they have not played as a Team before and their ability against Wet Spam - we would more than likely lose the game - so it is too simplistic to say that we picked a good side against Sunderland and they did not perform. That is only part of the answer. REGARDING LEAGUE GAMES like Liverpool and Man City etc at Home we will sell out and our AWAY SUPPORTERS ARE MAGNIFICENT - Wet Spam and Palace are sure to sell out. SAINTS SUPPORTERS will no doubt be wary of going to the Cup Competitions next Season having this years experience and the experience under Nigel who was keen to throw Cup games to concentrate on the League. Knowing that Squad Players are likely to be used - individual choice will dictate - but be prepared for a lot more empty seats UNLESS THINGS CHANGE IN THE CUP. LOOKING FORWARD TO THE WIN vs THE SPAMMERS. COYR REDARMYRULETHESOUTH

6:33pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Clever Dick says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Changing the subject...Clattenbur

g is reffing the West Ham game...aaargh!!
Oh great. There is nothing like a completely incompetent ref to take our minds off the cup defeat. Nolan can kick lumps out of everybody in the area and he won't see it. Collins can grab Ricky with a bear hug on every corner and he won't see it. Jose can get no nearer than two feet from one of fat Sam's forwards and it will be a pen. This is simply the fa making sure that we get this idiot again so soon after his last inept performance. I kind of hope he really messes up again and gets dropped for ever.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: Changing the subject...Clattenbur g is reffing the West Ham game...aaargh!![/p][/quote]Oh great. There is nothing like a completely incompetent ref to take our minds off the cup defeat. Nolan can kick lumps out of everybody in the area and he won't see it. Collins can grab Ricky with a bear hug on every corner and he won't see it. Jose can get no nearer than two feet from one of fat Sam's forwards and it will be a pen. This is simply the fa making sure that we get this idiot again so soon after his last inept performance. I kind of hope he really messes up again and gets dropped for ever. Clever Dick

6:44pm Mon 17 Feb 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
SWAYTHLING SAINT wrote:
And of course the thread police will claim that those fans who are angry aren't proper Saints fans. An excellent chance for a Wembley day out....gone. I feel most sorry for the supporters who made the long trip up there, they deserved better.
Your at it again swaythling, you have another go at the `thread police`, so who are they? and who has been told that they aren't a proper fan because they are angry? (the only people I have seen called not fans are the ones who aren't saying that they are angry or blaming certain players)

whilst we talking about certain players, yesterday you said that the `guly fans got their wish` and `it was a shame that danny fox didn't play`.
you never answered my questions yesterday so I thought I would do the decent thing and give you the opportunity to answer them again, please be assured that I am not trying to claim that you are not a proper fan and I am not trying to `police` the threads, just giving you the chance to clarify your statements, so.
who are the `guly fans`?
what was their `wish`?
please explain why the result was `gulys fault` again remember to add fox to your answers as we clearly would have been so much worse with him playing.
don't be ashamed of your opinions as I for one will not say you are not a proper fan if they differ from mine.
I can't find his response. What did he say?
You cant find it because yet again hes failed to answer the most basic of questions! I will leave it up to everyone to make their own minds up why.

If you want to debate I will debate, I have no problem with that (I had a bit of a 'debate' with Costa Gaz yesterday, I hope he didn't take any offence as their was none intended).
I don't like it though when someone, who I have never seen post anything positive, or after we win, comes on here after a defeat and tries to blame the usual player/s when the whole team were bad. He then has a dig at me and others by claiming we are the so called 'thread police' who call others non-fan's because our opinions are different, that is something that, and I can answer for the others here, we have never done! If you want to accuse me of something then at least show evidence of your claim. You can be as negative as you want but if you post your thoughts then you should expect others to challenge them. Have the 'balls' to back your claims.
You cant call other posters the 'thread police' and accuse them of doing things they haven't just because they argue that your wild and baseless posts are wrong. No one is forced to post on here and if you don't like what others post you don't have to read them!
I find it rather ironic that swaythling accuses others of name calling yet feels its OK to call them names!
Anyway its been 6 hours today with no response, 24 hours since yesterday!
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SWAYTHLING SAINT[/bold] wrote: And of course the thread police will claim that those fans who are angry aren't proper Saints fans. An excellent chance for a Wembley day out....gone. I feel most sorry for the supporters who made the long trip up there, they deserved better.[/p][/quote]Your at it again swaythling, you have another go at the `thread police`, so who are they? and who has been told that they aren't a proper fan because they are angry? (the only people I have seen called not fans are the ones who aren't saying that they are angry or blaming certain players) whilst we talking about certain players, yesterday you said that the `guly fans got their wish` and `it was a shame that danny fox didn't play`. you never answered my questions yesterday so I thought I would do the decent thing and give you the opportunity to answer them again, please be assured that I am not trying to claim that you are not a proper fan and I am not trying to `police` the threads, just giving you the chance to clarify your statements, so. who are the `guly fans`? what was their `wish`? please explain why the result was `gulys fault` again remember to add fox to your answers as we clearly would have been so much worse with him playing. don't be ashamed of your opinions as I for one will not say you are not a proper fan if they differ from mine.[/p][/quote]I can't find his response. What did he say?[/p][/quote]You cant find it because yet again hes failed to answer the most basic of questions! I will leave it up to everyone to make their own minds up why. If you want to debate I will debate, I have no problem with that (I had a bit of a 'debate' with Costa Gaz yesterday, I hope he didn't take any offence as their was none intended). I don't like it though when someone, who I have never seen post anything positive, or after we win, comes on here after a defeat and tries to blame the usual player/s when the whole team were bad. He then has a dig at me and others by claiming we are the so called 'thread police' who call others non-fan's because our opinions are different, that is something that, and I can answer for the others here, we have never done! If you want to accuse me of something then at least show evidence of your claim. You can be as negative as you want but if you post your thoughts then you should expect others to challenge them. Have the 'balls' to back your claims. You cant call other posters the 'thread police' and accuse them of doing things they haven't just because they argue that your wild and baseless posts are wrong. No one is forced to post on here and if you don't like what others post you don't have to read them! I find it rather ironic that swaythling accuses others of name calling yet feels its OK to call them names! Anyway its been 6 hours today with no response, 24 hours since yesterday! el caballo santos101

6:57pm Mon 17 Feb 14

el caballo santos101 says...

TheSaintsSoothsayer wrote:
Ontario Saint wrote:
What is the Echo trying to do? It comes across to me that the Echo is the spokesperson for the Saints fans which mos definitely they are not.
I am sure if I was Poch , it would make me very unwelcome as the Saints Manager . As such it could prove instrumental to the best Manager the Saints have ever had l leaving the Club at the end of the season.

The guy made a genuine mistake knowing the players had travelled to the North East TWICE within 3 days....they were probably suffering from fatigue.

The Ech is far far too sensational in writing GARBAGE like this and they have absolutely no right to speak for the Fans who have been delighted by what Poch has done for the Club.

Lets get behind him for the rest of the season . If Man U think they can get into the top 4 , then why should Saints not go for it too as we are only 3 ponts behind them?
Sorry but this post is a load of garbage, not the article and funnily enough from someone who doesn't even live in the UK.

Before you feel too bad for the professional players of Saints, on a fortune weekly, who played at Hull & Sunderland, just reflect that they flew up the night before, rested overnight in a plush hotel. Played the games and flew back.. In each case the travelling fans had 12 hours, at least, on a coach!!

They have every right to complain about that GARBAGE served up on Saturday.

The message Pochetinno has given out, and it seems you've swallowed it, is I'm happy to fight for midtable mediocrity, I'm not bothered about your famed FA Cup.

FA Cup winners are remembered - Clubs finishing in mid-table are not. As far as I'm concerned, and I'm a season ticket holder, my season ends here. Why should I spend my hard earned supporting a club that doesn't give a fook? Why should I. Supported Saints for many, many years and never seen fans treated so shabbily.
Do people who don't live in the UK not count then?
Are these fans who spend thousands of pounds to come over here to watch games, or who get up at silly o'clock to watch games on tv every week not entitled to an opinion?
What have you got against fans who live abroad?
Most come from Southampton and moved for work/family reasons so do they lose their right to be fans because they moved away?
[quote][p][bold]TheSaintsSoothsayer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ontario Saint[/bold] wrote: What is the Echo trying to do? It comes across to me that the Echo is the spokesperson for the Saints fans which mos definitely they are not. I am sure if I was Poch , it would make me very unwelcome as the Saints Manager . As such it could prove instrumental to the best Manager the Saints have ever had l leaving the Club at the end of the season. The guy made a genuine mistake knowing the players had travelled to the North East TWICE within 3 days....they were probably suffering from fatigue. The Ech is far far too sensational in writing GARBAGE like this and they have absolutely no right to speak for the Fans who have been delighted by what Poch has done for the Club. Lets get behind him for the rest of the season . If Man U think they can get into the top 4 , then why should Saints not go for it too as we are only 3 ponts behind them?[/p][/quote]Sorry but this post is a load of garbage, not the article and funnily enough from someone who doesn't even live in the UK. Before you feel too bad for the professional players of Saints, on a fortune weekly, who played at Hull & Sunderland, just reflect that they flew up the night before, rested overnight in a plush hotel. Played the games and flew back.. In each case the travelling fans had 12 hours, at least, on a coach!! They have every right to complain about that GARBAGE served up on Saturday. The message Pochetinno has given out, and it seems you've swallowed it, is I'm happy to fight for midtable mediocrity, I'm not bothered about your famed FA Cup. FA Cup winners are remembered - Clubs finishing in mid-table are not. As far as I'm concerned, and I'm a season ticket holder, my season ends here. Why should I spend my hard earned supporting a club that doesn't give a fook? Why should I. Supported Saints for many, many years and never seen fans treated so shabbily.[/p][/quote]Do people who don't live in the UK not count then? Are these fans who spend thousands of pounds to come over here to watch games, or who get up at silly o'clock to watch games on tv every week not entitled to an opinion? What have you got against fans who live abroad? Most come from Southampton and moved for work/family reasons so do they lose their right to be fans because they moved away? el caballo santos101

6:58pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Stroppy_gramps says...

I deliberately stayed away from the DE after myposts on Saturday.

1) to give myself time to calm down and
2) so I wouldn't have to read the rantings

glad I did.

I was kind of over it about an hour after the final whistle.
It wasn't the best selection in my opinion, however I do not have access to all of the data the coaching staff have so I shouldn't complain about it.
These things happen in cup matches, and they are incredibly frustrating each time they happen.
And finally, as the g/f reminded me - at least we aren't Portsmouth.

nothing more to say really.
I deliberately stayed away from the DE after myposts on Saturday. 1) to give myself time to calm down and 2) so I wouldn't have to read the rantings glad I did. I was kind of over it about an hour after the final whistle. It wasn't the best selection in my opinion, however I do not have access to all of the data the coaching staff have so I shouldn't complain about it. These things happen in cup matches, and they are incredibly frustrating each time they happen. And finally, as the g/f reminded me - at least we aren't Portsmouth. nothing more to say really. Stroppy_gramps

7:01pm Mon 17 Feb 14

arfer phesache says...

TheSaintsSoothsayer wrote:
Ontario Saint wrote:
What is the Echo trying to do? It comes across to me that the Echo is the spokesperson for the Saints fans which mos definitely they are not.
I am sure if I was Poch , it would make me very unwelcome as the Saints Manager . As such it could prove instrumental to the best Manager the Saints have ever had l leaving the Club at the end of the season.

The guy made a genuine mistake knowing the players had travelled to the North East TWICE within 3 days....they were probably suffering from fatigue.

The Ech is far far too sensational in writing GARBAGE like this and they have absolutely no right to speak for the Fans who have been delighted by what Poch has done for the Club.

Lets get behind him for the rest of the season . If Man U think they can get into the top 4 , then why should Saints not go for it too as we are only 3 ponts behind them?
Sorry but this post is a load of garbage, not the article and funnily enough from someone who doesn't even live in the UK.

Before you feel too bad for the professional players of Saints, on a fortune weekly, who played at Hull & Sunderland, just reflect that they flew up the night before, rested overnight in a plush hotel. Played the games and flew back.. In each case the travelling fans had 12 hours, at least, on a coach!!

They have every right to complain about that GARBAGE served up on Saturday.

The message Pochetinno has given out, and it seems you've swallowed it, is I'm happy to fight for midtable mediocrity, I'm not bothered about your famed FA Cup.

FA Cup winners are remembered - Clubs finishing in mid-table are not. As far as I'm concerned, and I'm a season ticket holder, my season ends here. Why should I spend my hard earned supporting a club that doesn't give a fook? Why should I. Supported Saints for many, many years and never seen fans treated so shabbily.
Good!
St Mary's will be a much better place without you.
[quote][p][bold]TheSaintsSoothsayer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ontario Saint[/bold] wrote: What is the Echo trying to do? It comes across to me that the Echo is the spokesperson for the Saints fans which mos definitely they are not. I am sure if I was Poch , it would make me very unwelcome as the Saints Manager . As such it could prove instrumental to the best Manager the Saints have ever had l leaving the Club at the end of the season. The guy made a genuine mistake knowing the players had travelled to the North East TWICE within 3 days....they were probably suffering from fatigue. The Ech is far far too sensational in writing GARBAGE like this and they have absolutely no right to speak for the Fans who have been delighted by what Poch has done for the Club. Lets get behind him for the rest of the season . If Man U think they can get into the top 4 , then why should Saints not go for it too as we are only 3 ponts behind them?[/p][/quote]Sorry but this post is a load of garbage, not the article and funnily enough from someone who doesn't even live in the UK. Before you feel too bad for the professional players of Saints, on a fortune weekly, who played at Hull & Sunderland, just reflect that they flew up the night before, rested overnight in a plush hotel. Played the games and flew back.. In each case the travelling fans had 12 hours, at least, on a coach!! They have every right to complain about that GARBAGE served up on Saturday. The message Pochetinno has given out, and it seems you've swallowed it, is I'm happy to fight for midtable mediocrity, I'm not bothered about your famed FA Cup. FA Cup winners are remembered - Clubs finishing in mid-table are not. As far as I'm concerned, and I'm a season ticket holder, my season ends here. Why should I spend my hard earned supporting a club that doesn't give a fook? Why should I. Supported Saints for many, many years and never seen fans treated so shabbily.[/p][/quote]Good! St Mary's will be a much better place without you. arfer phesache

7:01pm Mon 17 Feb 14

FindAndDestroy says...

BAD NEWS FLASH!!!!!

http://www1.skysport
s.com/football/news/
11095/9171385/premie
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nburg-to-officiate-s
outhampton-game-at-w
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Why?????????
BAD NEWS FLASH!!!!! http://www1.skysport s.com/football/news/ 11095/9171385/premie r-league-mark-clatte nburg-to-officiate-s outhampton-game-at-w est-ham Why????????? FindAndDestroy

7:28pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Clever Dick says...

loosehead wrote:
How many points have we got? how many games are left? is there any mathematical chance of us being dragged into the relegation dogfight?
we had a blip when key players were injured do we want to take that chance & play them in the FA cup?
surely to finish as high as we possibly can & then build on the squad for next season is the way to go isn't it?
yes I think the fans should have been warned we weren't going to contest in this match as Lamberts miss seems to round it all up "the club" didn't want to go further in this competition & the players knew it
Whilst I can perfectly understand fans being upset at this inept performance, especially if they travelled to the game, I can't personally ever remember there being a club which has come out and said that they weren't going to try . Nearly every premiership team treats the fa cup with contempt until the semi final stage and only then do the big clubs show an interest. As far as I can see the Saints have been consistent in their approach to the comp from the very first game. Attendance are very poor, even when prices are heavily discounted so they might well be excused for thinking the fans have more interest in the league. Especially as all league games pretty much fill the ground and at a much higher price.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: How many points have we got? how many games are left? is there any mathematical chance of us being dragged into the relegation dogfight? we had a blip when key players were injured do we want to take that chance & play them in the FA cup? surely to finish as high as we possibly can & then build on the squad for next season is the way to go isn't it? yes I think the fans should have been warned we weren't going to contest in this match as Lamberts miss seems to round it all up "the club" didn't want to go further in this competition & the players knew it[/p][/quote]Whilst I can perfectly understand fans being upset at this inept performance, especially if they travelled to the game, I can't personally ever remember there being a club which has come out and said that they weren't going to try . Nearly every premiership team treats the fa cup with contempt until the semi final stage and only then do the big clubs show an interest. As far as I can see the Saints have been consistent in their approach to the comp from the very first game. Attendance are very poor, even when prices are heavily discounted so they might well be excused for thinking the fans have more interest in the league. Especially as all league games pretty much fill the ground and at a much higher price. Clever Dick

7:48pm Mon 17 Feb 14

St.Winch70 says...

george chivers wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
This thread is absolute proof that many 'fans' have very limited intelligence on footballing matters.
Do you really think that Pochettino would have been happy with the way his team played on Saturday? We fielded a team with far more premiership experience than the opposition but lost.
Not a single player came out of the game with any credit including the full internationals on show and the ones touted for future stardom.
I guarantee you that Pochettino did not pick a team to lose that game, maybe he is guilty of expecting top flight players to perform effectively for 90 minutes...
Then why did he say twice last week the Europa Cup was a waste of time and not real a European competition? And why did he not enforce our press the ball tactics? He picked a team to give Sunderland a better chance of winning, because he would rather be out of the FA cup than in it.

If you can't see that, you are the person with the limited intelligence. Poch is happy with the result and so is the club.
Ridiculous statement.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: This thread is absolute proof that many 'fans' have very limited intelligence on footballing matters. Do you really think that Pochettino would have been happy with the way his team played on Saturday? We fielded a team with far more premiership experience than the opposition but lost. Not a single player came out of the game with any credit including the full internationals on show and the ones touted for future stardom. I guarantee you that Pochettino did not pick a team to lose that game, maybe he is guilty of expecting top flight players to perform effectively for 90 minutes...[/p][/quote]Then why did he say twice last week the Europa Cup was a waste of time and not real a European competition? And why did he not enforce our press the ball tactics? He picked a team to give Sunderland a better chance of winning, because he would rather be out of the FA cup than in it. If you can't see that, you are the person with the limited intelligence. Poch is happy with the result and so is the club.[/p][/quote]Ridiculous statement. St.Winch70

7:57pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Golden_Salamander says...

Back around 1900 Saints WON the Southern League SIX times.

So what some would say it is only the Southern League, but at that time the Southern League was ON A PAR with the Football League, but was made up of southern teams e.g. spurs, west ham etc and the northern teams played in the Football League.
At the time winning the SL SIX TIMES was a massive achievement for the Club, however within 20 years all the southern teams had to join the FL and the Southern League had become a bit of a joke.

The same thing has / is happening with the FA Cup. In the 70's it was WORTH WINNING but today it has lost it's appeal and is just used to give match practice to fringe players, by ALL sides not just Saints.

Remember any side can cheat the tax payers (e.g. schools, ship builders etc) to FUND A CUP RUN. The FA even allow a club to play a player who has been purchased from a Russian club when they are under a Transfer Embargo. The FA have devalued their own Cup Comp by taking NO action against CHEATS FC.

Winning the FA Cup will soon be treated in the same manor as winning the Southern League 6 TIMES IN 8 SEASONS (around 1900).
Back around 1900 Saints WON the Southern League SIX times. So what some would say it is only the Southern League, but at that time the Southern League was ON A PAR with the Football League, but was made up of southern teams e.g. spurs, west ham etc and the northern teams played in the Football League. At the time winning the SL SIX TIMES was a massive achievement for the Club, however within 20 years all the southern teams had to join the FL and the Southern League had become a bit of a joke. The same thing has / is happening with the FA Cup. In the 70's it was WORTH WINNING but today it has lost it's appeal and is just used to give match practice to fringe players, by ALL sides not just Saints. Remember any side can cheat the tax payers (e.g. schools, ship builders etc) to FUND A CUP RUN. The FA even allow a club to play a player who has been purchased from a Russian club when they are under a Transfer Embargo. The FA have devalued their own Cup Comp by taking NO action against CHEATS FC. Winning the FA Cup will soon be treated in the same manor as winning the Southern League 6 TIMES IN 8 SEASONS (around 1900). Golden_Salamander

8:03pm Mon 17 Feb 14

SFCOLDBOY says...

FindAndDestroy wrote:
BAD NEWS FLASH!!!!!

http://www1.skysport

s.com/football/news/

11095/9171385/premie

r-league-mark-clatte

nburg-to-officiate-s

outhampton-game-at-w

est-ham

Why?????????
I wont be at the match but I hope to be listening to the most p1ss taking ever, by our fans at Wet Spam.
This crazy decision to appoint Clutterbrain will be the best thing to unite our support with our team and management after Saturday's debacle.
Wind in to him lads and lasses, remember it don't matter if he makes us lose, we wont get relegated and after all we aint allowed to try to get a Europa spot.
So enjoy yourselves,whatever happens,
COYS

P.S. Strassie,

If you read this----- I understand you will be there, have a good moan at the "REF" for my lot too.
[quote][p][bold]FindAndDestroy[/bold] wrote: BAD NEWS FLASH!!!!! http://www1.skysport s.com/football/news/ 11095/9171385/premie r-league-mark-clatte nburg-to-officiate-s outhampton-game-at-w est-ham Why?????????[/p][/quote]I wont be at the match but I hope to be listening to the most p1ss taking ever, by our fans at Wet Spam. This crazy decision to appoint Clutterbrain will be the best thing to unite our support with our team and management after Saturday's debacle. Wind in to him lads and lasses, remember it don't matter if he makes us lose, we wont get relegated and after all we aint allowed to try to get a Europa spot. So enjoy yourselves,whatever happens, COYS P.S. Strassie, If you read this----- I understand you will be there, have a good moan at the "REF" for my lot too. SFCOLDBOY

8:14pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Meribelsaint says...

arfer phesache wrote:
TheSaintsSoothsayer wrote:
Ontario Saint wrote:
What is the Echo trying to do? It comes across to me that the Echo is the spokesperson for the Saints fans which mos definitely they are not.
I am sure if I was Poch , it would make me very unwelcome as the Saints Manager . As such it could prove instrumental to the best Manager the Saints have ever had l leaving the Club at the end of the season.

The guy made a genuine mistake knowing the players had travelled to the North East TWICE within 3 days....they were probably suffering from fatigue.

The Ech is far far too sensational in writing GARBAGE like this and they have absolutely no right to speak for the Fans who have been delighted by what Poch has done for the Club.

Lets get behind him for the rest of the season . If Man U think they can get into the top 4 , then why should Saints not go for it too as we are only 3 ponts behind them?
Sorry but this post is a load of garbage, not the article and funnily enough from someone who doesn't even live in the UK.

Before you feel too bad for the professional players of Saints, on a fortune weekly, who played at Hull & Sunderland, just reflect that they flew up the night before, rested overnight in a plush hotel. Played the games and flew back.. In each case the travelling fans had 12 hours, at least, on a coach!!

They have every right to complain about that GARBAGE served up on Saturday.

The message Pochetinno has given out, and it seems you've swallowed it, is I'm happy to fight for midtable mediocrity, I'm not bothered about your famed FA Cup.

FA Cup winners are remembered - Clubs finishing in mid-table are not. As far as I'm concerned, and I'm a season ticket holder, my season ends here. Why should I spend my hard earned supporting a club that doesn't give a fook? Why should I. Supported Saints for many, many years and never seen fans treated so shabbily.
Good!
St Mary's will be a much better place without you.
At TheSaintsSoothsayer
What have you got against Saints abroad? Aren't we all Saints fans regardless? I watch every game and kick every ball just as I used to when I was a regular at the Dell. I live overseas now, am I less of a fan because of that? Just out of interest, do you also have a problem with Saints fans who live in Southampton but don't have/can't afford a season ticket?
Once a Saint, always a Saint, together as one.
[quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheSaintsSoothsayer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ontario Saint[/bold] wrote: What is the Echo trying to do? It comes across to me that the Echo is the spokesperson for the Saints fans which mos definitely they are not. I am sure if I was Poch , it would make me very unwelcome as the Saints Manager . As such it could prove instrumental to the best Manager the Saints have ever had l leaving the Club at the end of the season. The guy made a genuine mistake knowing the players had travelled to the North East TWICE within 3 days....they were probably suffering from fatigue. The Ech is far far too sensational in writing GARBAGE like this and they have absolutely no right to speak for the Fans who have been delighted by what Poch has done for the Club. Lets get behind him for the rest of the season . If Man U think they can get into the top 4 , then why should Saints not go for it too as we are only 3 ponts behind them?[/p][/quote]Sorry but this post is a load of garbage, not the article and funnily enough from someone who doesn't even live in the UK. Before you feel too bad for the professional players of Saints, on a fortune weekly, who played at Hull & Sunderland, just reflect that they flew up the night before, rested overnight in a plush hotel. Played the games and flew back.. In each case the travelling fans had 12 hours, at least, on a coach!! They have every right to complain about that GARBAGE served up on Saturday. The message Pochetinno has given out, and it seems you've swallowed it, is I'm happy to fight for midtable mediocrity, I'm not bothered about your famed FA Cup. FA Cup winners are remembered - Clubs finishing in mid-table are not. As far as I'm concerned, and I'm a season ticket holder, my season ends here. Why should I spend my hard earned supporting a club that doesn't give a fook? Why should I. Supported Saints for many, many years and never seen fans treated so shabbily.[/p][/quote]Good! St Mary's will be a much better place without you.[/p][/quote]At TheSaintsSoothsayer What have you got against Saints abroad? Aren't we all Saints fans regardless? I watch every game and kick every ball just as I used to when I was a regular at the Dell. I live overseas now, am I less of a fan because of that? Just out of interest, do you also have a problem with Saints fans who live in Southampton but don't have/can't afford a season ticket? Once a Saint, always a Saint, together as one. Meribelsaint

8:14pm Mon 17 Feb 14

redsnapper says...

From DIV 1 to where we are now is the achievement of the century.

For obvious reasons Poch has to find replacements/cover for LB.CH and F and GK.

IMHO This is more important to clubs future than winning the devalued FA tin pot trophy.

If Saturday proves that it was KD, Guly and Jos's last chance to show first team potential than I think we got a result.


And as mentioned above it 12AGAINST 11 at West Ham with that proven Saints HATER Mark Clutterbrain.

Forget this w/e 's debacle and COYR.

Wonder how long before the Echo "journos" come up with some dumb headline about ref this weekend??????????
From DIV 1 to where we are now is the achievement of the century. For obvious reasons Poch has to find replacements/cover for LB.CH and F and GK. IMHO This is more important to clubs future than winning the devalued FA tin pot trophy. If Saturday proves that it was KD, Guly and Jos's last chance to show first team potential than I think we got a result. And as mentioned above it 12AGAINST 11 at West Ham with that proven Saints HATER Mark Clutterbrain. Forget this w/e 's debacle and COYR. Wonder how long before the Echo "journos" come up with some dumb headline about ref this weekend?????????? redsnapper

8:22pm Mon 17 Feb 14

ottostrasser says...

I am fully behind Poch and the team as it seems are the vast majority of fans.
Its just a small minority of bedwetters and/ or "fans" with an agenda that are doing the stirring.
I am fully behind Poch and the team as it seems are the vast majority of fans. Its just a small minority of bedwetters and/ or "fans" with an agenda that are doing the stirring. ottostrasser

8:46pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Velleity says...

Wenger made eight changes for yesterday's game against Liverpool. He was clearly trying to throw the match.... oh, hang on.
Wenger made eight changes for yesterday's game against Liverpool. He was clearly trying to throw the match.... oh, hang on. Velleity

8:54pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Saintsayer II says...

Just watched it again MoPo's intentions were quite clear he never left his seat to give anyone a Gee Up the whole game his body language said he never wanted to be there let alone win it
Just watched it again MoPo's intentions were quite clear he never left his seat to give anyone a Gee Up the whole game his body language said he never wanted to be there let alone win it Saintsayer II

9:05pm Mon 17 Feb 14

TheSaintsSoothsayer says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
TheSaintsSoothsayer wrote:
Ontario Saint wrote:
What is the Echo trying to do? It comes across to me that the Echo is the spokesperson for the Saints fans which mos definitely they are not.
I am sure if I was Poch , it would make me very unwelcome as the Saints Manager . As such it could prove instrumental to the best Manager the Saints have ever had l leaving the Club at the end of the season.

The guy made a genuine mistake knowing the players had travelled to the North East TWICE within 3 days....they were probably suffering from fatigue.

The Ech is far far too sensational in writing GARBAGE like this and they have absolutely no right to speak for the Fans who have been delighted by what Poch has done for the Club.

Lets get behind him for the rest of the season . If Man U think they can get into the top 4 , then why should Saints not go for it too as we are only 3 ponts behind them?
Sorry but this post is a load of garbage, not the article and funnily enough from someone who doesn't even live in the UK.

Before you feel too bad for the professional players of Saints, on a fortune weekly, who played at Hull & Sunderland, just reflect that they flew up the night before, rested overnight in a plush hotel. Played the games and flew back.. In each case the travelling fans had 12 hours, at least, on a coach!!

They have every right to complain about that GARBAGE served up on Saturday.

The message Pochetinno has given out, and it seems you've swallowed it, is I'm happy to fight for midtable mediocrity, I'm not bothered about your famed FA Cup.

FA Cup winners are remembered - Clubs finishing in mid-table are not. As far as I'm concerned, and I'm a season ticket holder, my season ends here. Why should I spend my hard earned supporting a club that doesn't give a fook? Why should I. Supported Saints for many, many years and never seen fans treated so shabbily.
Do people who don't live in the UK not count then?
Are these fans who spend thousands of pounds to come over here to watch games, or who get up at silly o'clock to watch games on tv every week not entitled to an opinion?
What have you got against fans who live abroad?
Most come from Southampton and moved for work/family reasons so do they lose their right to be fans because they moved away?
What I have 'against' people not in the UK posting is that you get a totally different view, literally, of a game you watch on TV especially if it's FOX. When you're at a game, and see the complete picture, and not just the picture the TV companies want you to see, you can have very different opinions on what the game was actually like. Sometimes you guys from overseas, as marvelous as it is that you get up at "silly o'clock", get the wrong picture and I have to say right now it just irks me - OK. That's where we fans who go will educate you.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheSaintsSoothsayer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ontario Saint[/bold] wrote: What is the Echo trying to do? It comes across to me that the Echo is the spokesperson for the Saints fans which mos definitely they are not. I am sure if I was Poch , it would make me very unwelcome as the Saints Manager . As such it could prove instrumental to the best Manager the Saints have ever had l leaving the Club at the end of the season. The guy made a genuine mistake knowing the players had travelled to the North East TWICE within 3 days....they were probably suffering from fatigue. The Ech is far far too sensational in writing GARBAGE like this and they have absolutely no right to speak for the Fans who have been delighted by what Poch has done for the Club. Lets get behind him for the rest of the season . If Man U think they can get into the top 4 , then why should Saints not go for it too as we are only 3 ponts behind them?[/p][/quote]Sorry but this post is a load of garbage, not the article and funnily enough from someone who doesn't even live in the UK. Before you feel too bad for the professional players of Saints, on a fortune weekly, who played at Hull & Sunderland, just reflect that they flew up the night before, rested overnight in a plush hotel. Played the games and flew back.. In each case the travelling fans had 12 hours, at least, on a coach!! They have every right to complain about that GARBAGE served up on Saturday. The message Pochetinno has given out, and it seems you've swallowed it, is I'm happy to fight for midtable mediocrity, I'm not bothered about your famed FA Cup. FA Cup winners are remembered - Clubs finishing in mid-table are not. As far as I'm concerned, and I'm a season ticket holder, my season ends here. Why should I spend my hard earned supporting a club that doesn't give a fook? Why should I. Supported Saints for many, many years and never seen fans treated so shabbily.[/p][/quote]Do people who don't live in the UK not count then? Are these fans who spend thousands of pounds to come over here to watch games, or who get up at silly o'clock to watch games on tv every week not entitled to an opinion? What have you got against fans who live abroad? Most come from Southampton and moved for work/family reasons so do they lose their right to be fans because they moved away?[/p][/quote]What I have 'against' people not in the UK posting is that you get a totally different view, literally, of a game you watch on TV especially if it's FOX. When you're at a game, and see the complete picture, and not just the picture the TV companies want you to see, you can have very different opinions on what the game was actually like. Sometimes you guys from overseas, as marvelous as it is that you get up at "silly o'clock", get the wrong picture and I have to say right now it just irks me - OK. That's where we fans who go will educate you. TheSaintsSoothsayer

9:18pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Clever Dick says...

SFCOLDBOY wrote:
FindAndDestroy wrote:
BAD NEWS FLASH!!!!!

http://www1.skysport


s.com/football/news/


11095/9171385/premie


r-league-mark-clatte


nburg-to-officiate-s


outhampton-game-at-w


est-ham

Why?????????
I wont be at the match but I hope to be listening to the most p1ss taking ever, by our fans at Wet Spam.
This crazy decision to appoint Clutterbrain will be the best thing to unite our support with our team and management after Saturday's debacle.
Wind in to him lads and lasses, remember it don't matter if he makes us lose, we wont get relegated and after all we aint allowed to try to get a Europa spot.
So enjoy yourselves,whatever happens,
COYS

P.S. Strassie,

If you read this----- I understand you will be there, have a good moan at the "REF" for my lot too.
Yes please .come on you travelling Saints fans. Let him know what we think of him. Humiliate, humiliate and humiliate again.
You don't know what you're doing
Who's the w-anker in the black
You've got a Clutter brain.
You never used to be like this when you knew how to referee.
I'm really looking forward to match choice win, lose or draw.
Non stop abuse from beginning to end might finally wake somebody at the fa up.
[quote][p][bold]SFCOLDBOY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FindAndDestroy[/bold] wrote: BAD NEWS FLASH!!!!! http://www1.skysport s.com/football/news/ 11095/9171385/premie r-league-mark-clatte nburg-to-officiate-s outhampton-game-at-w est-ham Why?????????[/p][/quote]I wont be at the match but I hope to be listening to the most p1ss taking ever, by our fans at Wet Spam. This crazy decision to appoint Clutterbrain will be the best thing to unite our support with our team and management after Saturday's debacle. Wind in to him lads and lasses, remember it don't matter if he makes us lose, we wont get relegated and after all we aint allowed to try to get a Europa spot. So enjoy yourselves,whatever happens, COYS P.S. Strassie, If you read this----- I understand you will be there, have a good moan at the "REF" for my lot too.[/p][/quote]Yes please .come on you travelling Saints fans. Let him know what we think of him. Humiliate, humiliate and humiliate again. You don't know what you're doing Who's the w-anker in the black You've got a Clutter brain. You never used to be like this when you knew how to referee. I'm really looking forward to match choice win, lose or draw. Non stop abuse from beginning to end might finally wake somebody at the fa up. Clever Dick

9:19pm Mon 17 Feb 14

loosehead says...

Clever Dick wrote:
loosehead wrote:
How many points have we got? how many games are left? is there any mathematical chance of us being dragged into the relegation dogfight?
we had a blip when key players were injured do we want to take that chance & play them in the FA cup?
surely to finish as high as we possibly can & then build on the squad for next season is the way to go isn't it?
yes I think the fans should have been warned we weren't going to contest in this match as Lamberts miss seems to round it all up "the club" didn't want to go further in this competition & the players knew it
Whilst I can perfectly understand fans being upset at this inept performance, especially if they travelled to the game, I can't personally ever remember there being a club which has come out and said that they weren't going to try . Nearly every premiership team treats the fa cup with contempt until the semi final stage and only then do the big clubs show an interest. As far as I can see the Saints have been consistent in their approach to the comp from the very first game. Attendance are very poor, even when prices are heavily discounted so they might well be excused for thinking the fans have more interest in the league. Especially as all league games pretty much fill the ground and at a much higher price.
i kinda was agreeing with you!
Don't they get more money the higher up the league they are?
if so(sorry I'm a Rugby fan) why not ensure you keep your best team fit & injury free instead of playing for a cup which you might not go any further in & meaning you lose money by dropping places in the league?
I did use to be a season ticket holder back in the 70's at the Dell & I went to every away match & home match & I went to the FA Cup victory & the League cup loss & charity shield loss but to get as far to the top this year & then bring in or young players on then next year go mall out to win at least one trophy must be the way to go hasn't it?
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: How many points have we got? how many games are left? is there any mathematical chance of us being dragged into the relegation dogfight? we had a blip when key players were injured do we want to take that chance & play them in the FA cup? surely to finish as high as we possibly can & then build on the squad for next season is the way to go isn't it? yes I think the fans should have been warned we weren't going to contest in this match as Lamberts miss seems to round it all up "the club" didn't want to go further in this competition & the players knew it[/p][/quote]Whilst I can perfectly understand fans being upset at this inept performance, especially if they travelled to the game, I can't personally ever remember there being a club which has come out and said that they weren't going to try . Nearly every premiership team treats the fa cup with contempt until the semi final stage and only then do the big clubs show an interest. As far as I can see the Saints have been consistent in their approach to the comp from the very first game. Attendance are very poor, even when prices are heavily discounted so they might well be excused for thinking the fans have more interest in the league. Especially as all league games pretty much fill the ground and at a much higher price.[/p][/quote]i kinda was agreeing with you! Don't they get more money the higher up the league they are? if so(sorry I'm a Rugby fan) why not ensure you keep your best team fit & injury free instead of playing for a cup which you might not go any further in & meaning you lose money by dropping places in the league? I did use to be a season ticket holder back in the 70's at the Dell & I went to every away match & home match & I went to the FA Cup victory & the League cup loss & charity shield loss but to get as far to the top this year & then bring in or young players on then next year go mall out to win at least one trophy must be the way to go hasn't it? loosehead

9:44pm Mon 17 Feb 14

James the saint says...

saint61 wrote:
If we consider this a mistake, maybe just a misjudgement. Then it's the first one he's made.
So DE stop trying to make a major story and once again stop being so negative and start supporting the Saints. They then may welcome you back.

YOU ARE NOT THE VOICE OF THE FANS !
I agree completely. Would we be on his back if we had won the game ?? There was still a very stroud side playing , and also Sunderland put out a weakened team..
[quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: If we consider this a mistake, maybe just a misjudgement. Then it's the first one he's made. So DE stop trying to make a major story and once again stop being so negative and start supporting the Saints. They then may welcome you back. YOU ARE NOT THE VOICE OF THE FANS ![/p][/quote]I agree completely. Would we be on his back if we had won the game ?? There was still a very stroud side playing , and also Sunderland put out a weakened team.. James the saint

9:44pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Clever Dick says...

loosehead wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
loosehead wrote:
How many points have we got? how many games are left? is there any mathematical chance of us being dragged into the relegation dogfight?
we had a blip when key players were injured do we want to take that chance & play them in the FA cup?
surely to finish as high as we possibly can & then build on the squad for next season is the way to go isn't it?
yes I think the fans should have been warned we weren't going to contest in this match as Lamberts miss seems to round it all up "the club" didn't want to go further in this competition & the players knew it
Whilst I can perfectly understand fans being upset at this inept performance, especially if they travelled to the game, I can't personally ever remember there being a club which has come out and said that they weren't going to try . Nearly every premiership team treats the fa cup with contempt until the semi final stage and only then do the big clubs show an interest. As far as I can see the Saints have been consistent in their approach to the comp from the very first game. Attendance are very poor, even when prices are heavily discounted so they might well be excused for thinking the fans have more interest in the league. Especially as all league games pretty much fill the ground and at a much higher price.
i kinda was agreeing with you!
Don't they get more money the higher up the league they are?
if so(sorry I'm a Rugby fan) why not ensure you keep your best team fit & injury free instead of playing for a cup which you might not go any further in & meaning you lose money by dropping places in the league?
I did use to be a season ticket holder back in the 70's at the Dell & I went to every away match & home match & I went to the FA Cup victory & the League cup loss & charity shield loss but to get as far to the top this year & then bring in or young players on then next year go mall out to win at least one trophy must be the way to go hasn't it?
Yes. Approx amounts for finishing positions in the league are:-
8th receive 82.3 mil
9th receive 79.7 mil
10th receive 76.4 mil
11th receive 73.1 mil
Those figures include everything the club would receive in 1 season
60odd million for bottom and around 99 million for top.
Even the difference between 8th and 11th is around 9 million.
Perhaps that is why the cup holds no interest to a business which can pick up all that extra cash by maintaining our current position.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: How many points have we got? how many games are left? is there any mathematical chance of us being dragged into the relegation dogfight? we had a blip when key players were injured do we want to take that chance & play them in the FA cup? surely to finish as high as we possibly can & then build on the squad for next season is the way to go isn't it? yes I think the fans should have been warned we weren't going to contest in this match as Lamberts miss seems to round it all up "the club" didn't want to go further in this competition & the players knew it[/p][/quote]Whilst I can perfectly understand fans being upset at this inept performance, especially if they travelled to the game, I can't personally ever remember there being a club which has come out and said that they weren't going to try . Nearly every premiership team treats the fa cup with contempt until the semi final stage and only then do the big clubs show an interest. As far as I can see the Saints have been consistent in their approach to the comp from the very first game. Attendance are very poor, even when prices are heavily discounted so they might well be excused for thinking the fans have more interest in the league. Especially as all league games pretty much fill the ground and at a much higher price.[/p][/quote]i kinda was agreeing with you! Don't they get more money the higher up the league they are? if so(sorry I'm a Rugby fan) why not ensure you keep your best team fit & injury free instead of playing for a cup which you might not go any further in & meaning you lose money by dropping places in the league? I did use to be a season ticket holder back in the 70's at the Dell & I went to every away match & home match & I went to the FA Cup victory & the League cup loss & charity shield loss but to get as far to the top this year & then bring in or young players on then next year go mall out to win at least one trophy must be the way to go hasn't it?[/p][/quote]Yes. Approx amounts for finishing positions in the league are:- 8th receive 82.3 mil 9th receive 79.7 mil 10th receive 76.4 mil 11th receive 73.1 mil Those figures include everything the club would receive in 1 season 60odd million for bottom and around 99 million for top. Even the difference between 8th and 11th is around 9 million. Perhaps that is why the cup holds no interest to a business which can pick up all that extra cash by maintaining our current position. Clever Dick

9:52pm Mon 17 Feb 14

miltonarcher says...

SaintAsh1964 wrote:
I think we really need to ask the question is MoPo the man to take us forward.
Plays a weakened team in the a Cup game again,( ok fair enough against lower League opposition, but not against a team in the same league playing well), which has cost us a Cup run, extra revenue and momentum in the League.
Has stated that he doesnt fancy/want to qualify for the Europa League, so how do we progress?
We are not going to jump straight to the Champions League are we? so whats the point of doing well in the League and finishing as high as we can, when effectively we are limited to 7th place under MoPo.
I dont think the likes of Lallana, Shaw, Schneiderlin etal are going to be happy with that type of ambition from the Manager.
If we want to progress over the next 3-7 years as a club, we have to learn how to play European football from the bottom up, not the other way around and that means following in the footsteps of Spurs, Swansea, Newcastle, who have qualified for the Europa League and are finding out what is needed from their players and what is required of the Management of the Club.
And finally, it's not the case of loosing a game, but the manner in which we lost, its no coincidence that below par performances have resulted from playing a weakened team, surely its best to play the strongest team, go ahead in the game AND then rest your best players.
UTS
The fact your spot on post got thumbs down illustrates how our fan base has been infested by the prawn sandwich brigade. They don't have a clue about the effect this indifference for the FA Cup has on our current squad and of course the lack of ambition to win some silverware will impact on our ability to keep our young stars and sign new players.
[quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: I think we really need to ask the question is MoPo the man to take us forward. Plays a weakened team in the a Cup game again,( ok fair enough against lower League opposition, but not against a team in the same league playing well), which has cost us a Cup run, extra revenue and momentum in the League. Has stated that he doesnt fancy/want to qualify for the Europa League, so how do we progress? We are not going to jump straight to the Champions League are we? so whats the point of doing well in the League and finishing as high as we can, when effectively we are limited to 7th place under MoPo. I dont think the likes of Lallana, Shaw, Schneiderlin etal are going to be happy with that type of ambition from the Manager. If we want to progress over the next 3-7 years as a club, we have to learn how to play European football from the bottom up, not the other way around and that means following in the footsteps of Spurs, Swansea, Newcastle, who have qualified for the Europa League and are finding out what is needed from their players and what is required of the Management of the Club. And finally, it's not the case of loosing a game, but the manner in which we lost, its no coincidence that below par performances have resulted from playing a weakened team, surely its best to play the strongest team, go ahead in the game AND then rest your best players. UTS[/p][/quote]The fact your spot on post got thumbs down illustrates how our fan base has been infested by the prawn sandwich brigade. They don't have a clue about the effect this indifference for the FA Cup has on our current squad and of course the lack of ambition to win some silverware will impact on our ability to keep our young stars and sign new players. miltonarcher

9:56pm Mon 17 Feb 14

James the saint says...

Incidentally we only have one first team defender available in Fonte as lovren is still sidelined, fonte is also posting only day ago a leg that looks like a shark has taken a chunk out of. Aside from this exclusion (which I agree with as we can't afford to lose him to injury) we had only dropped spider man and rod, who, to be fair, were replaced with alternatives. These alternatives are plenty good enough to go away to Sunderland and expect to get a result. Remember if lambert had not missed his sitter then no one would be saying anything like this report is suggesting. It's football, we beat Liverpool at anfield and lose against villa at st Mary's, it's what makes the sport watchable. I would have selected the same team probably with the exception of giving gallagher a place up front and giving lambert a day off. I am a saints fan and I am a ponch fan. Good effort lads and I join you in disappointment for having gone out of the competition when we may have had a good chance. Don't let your heads drop, there's always next season!!! Let's go home and make sure all your passports are up to date and buy a load of sun cream for you as you'll get burnt easy in that Rio sun..
Incidentally we only have one first team defender available in Fonte as lovren is still sidelined, fonte is also posting only day ago a leg that looks like a shark has taken a chunk out of. Aside from this exclusion (which I agree with as we can't afford to lose him to injury) we had only dropped spider man and rod, who, to be fair, were replaced with alternatives. These alternatives are plenty good enough to go away to Sunderland and expect to get a result. Remember if lambert had not missed his sitter then no one would be saying anything like this report is suggesting. It's football, we beat Liverpool at anfield and lose against villa at st Mary's, it's what makes the sport watchable. I would have selected the same team probably with the exception of giving gallagher a place up front and giving lambert a day off. I am a saints fan and I am a ponch fan. Good effort lads and I join you in disappointment for having gone out of the competition when we may have had a good chance. Don't let your heads drop, there's always next season!!! Let's go home and make sure all your passports are up to date and buy a load of sun cream for you as you'll get burnt easy in that Rio sun.. James the saint

10:05pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

SFCOLDBOY wrote:
FindAndDestroy wrote:
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Why?????????
I wont be at the match but I hope to be listening to the most p1ss taking ever, by our fans at Wet Spam.
This crazy decision to appoint Clutterbrain will be the best thing to unite our support with our team and management after Saturday's debacle.
Wind in to him lads and lasses, remember it don't matter if he makes us lose, we wont get relegated and after all we aint allowed to try to get a Europa spot.
So enjoy yourselves,whatever happens,
COYS

P.S. Strassie,

If you read this----- I understand you will be there, have a good moan at the "REF" for my lot too.
Sure will Oldboy.

Been staying quiet today. What happened all those days ago in Sunderland is a fading memory now. It's almost fly-to-the-UK-and-su
pport-the-Saints O'clock and I can't wait.
[quote][p][bold]SFCOLDBOY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FindAndDestroy[/bold] wrote: BAD NEWS FLASH!!!!! http://www1.skysport s.com/football/news/ 11095/9171385/premie r-league-mark-clatte nburg-to-officiate-s outhampton-game-at-w est-ham Why?????????[/p][/quote]I wont be at the match but I hope to be listening to the most p1ss taking ever, by our fans at Wet Spam. This crazy decision to appoint Clutterbrain will be the best thing to unite our support with our team and management after Saturday's debacle. Wind in to him lads and lasses, remember it don't matter if he makes us lose, we wont get relegated and after all we aint allowed to try to get a Europa spot. So enjoy yourselves,whatever happens, COYS P.S. Strassie, If you read this----- I understand you will be there, have a good moan at the "REF" for my lot too.[/p][/quote]Sure will Oldboy. Been staying quiet today. What happened all those days ago in Sunderland is a fading memory now. It's almost fly-to-the-UK-and-su pport-the-Saints O'clock and I can't wait. Strasbourg Saint

10:49pm Mon 17 Feb 14

BracknellSaint says...

TheSaintsSoothsayer wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
TheSaintsSoothsayer wrote:
Ontario Saint wrote:
What is the Echo trying to do? It comes across to me that the Echo is the spokesperson for the Saints fans which mos definitely they are not.
I am sure if I was Poch , it would make me very unwelcome as the Saints Manager . As such it could prove instrumental to the best Manager the Saints have ever had l leaving the Club at the end of the season.

The guy made a genuine mistake knowing the players had travelled to the North East TWICE within 3 days....they were probably suffering from fatigue.

The Ech is far far too sensational in writing GARBAGE like this and they have absolutely no right to speak for the Fans who have been delighted by what Poch has done for the Club.

Lets get behind him for the rest of the season . If Man U think they can get into the top 4 , then why should Saints not go for it too as we are only 3 ponts behind them?
Sorry but this post is a load of garbage, not the article and funnily enough from someone who doesn't even live in the UK.

Before you feel too bad for the professional players of Saints, on a fortune weekly, who played at Hull & Sunderland, just reflect that they flew up the night before, rested overnight in a plush hotel. Played the games and flew back.. In each case the travelling fans had 12 hours, at least, on a coach!!

They have every right to complain about that GARBAGE served up on Saturday.

The message Pochetinno has given out, and it seems you've swallowed it, is I'm happy to fight for midtable mediocrity, I'm not bothered about your famed FA Cup.

FA Cup winners are remembered - Clubs finishing in mid-table are not. As far as I'm concerned, and I'm a season ticket holder, my season ends here. Why should I spend my hard earned supporting a club that doesn't give a fook? Why should I. Supported Saints for many, many years and never seen fans treated so shabbily.
Do people who don't live in the UK not count then?
Are these fans who spend thousands of pounds to come over here to watch games, or who get up at silly o'clock to watch games on tv every week not entitled to an opinion?
What have you got against fans who live abroad?
Most come from Southampton and moved for work/family reasons so do they lose their right to be fans because they moved away?
What I have 'against' people not in the UK posting is that you get a totally different view, literally, of a game you watch on TV especially if it's FOX. When you're at a game, and see the complete picture, and not just the picture the TV companies want you to see, you can have very different opinions on what the game was actually like. Sometimes you guys from overseas, as marvelous as it is that you get up at "silly o'clock", get the wrong picture and I have to say right now it just irks me - OK. That's where we fans who go will educate you.
Actually, I'd say the almost opposite.
Unless you are at every game home and away, their probably seeing more games than you...and unless you are watching through binoculars, those watching all the games live on TV, or internet feed, are seeing things more clearly, and up close. The benefit of being on the ground is that you can actually take your eyes off the 'main' action, and just follow one player, or see stuff off the ball, granted( and that is also very interesting) but usually, if you're behind one goal for example, you can hardly make out the details of what's actually happening at the other end. TV, while completely lacking the atmosphere of the stadium, and also not allowing you to interact / have your voice join the singing etc, DOES allow you to see the minute details much more. So, I think those abroad, or who for whatever reason can't get to matches, but are dedicated to watching every game live by means legal or not on TV/ web, can offer excellent insights and info on things those in the ground may have missed.
[quote][p][bold]TheSaintsSoothsayer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheSaintsSoothsayer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ontario Saint[/bold] wrote: What is the Echo trying to do? It comes across to me that the Echo is the spokesperson for the Saints fans which mos definitely they are not. I am sure if I was Poch , it would make me very unwelcome as the Saints Manager . As such it could prove instrumental to the best Manager the Saints have ever had l leaving the Club at the end of the season. The guy made a genuine mistake knowing the players had travelled to the North East TWICE within 3 days....they were probably suffering from fatigue. The Ech is far far too sensational in writing GARBAGE like this and they have absolutely no right to speak for the Fans who have been delighted by what Poch has done for the Club. Lets get behind him for the rest of the season . If Man U think they can get into the top 4 , then why should Saints not go for it too as we are only 3 ponts behind them?[/p][/quote]Sorry but this post is a load of garbage, not the article and funnily enough from someone who doesn't even live in the UK. Before you feel too bad for the professional players of Saints, on a fortune weekly, who played at Hull & Sunderland, just reflect that they flew up the night before, rested overnight in a plush hotel. Played the games and flew back.. In each case the travelling fans had 12 hours, at least, on a coach!! They have every right to complain about that GARBAGE served up on Saturday. The message Pochetinno has given out, and it seems you've swallowed it, is I'm happy to fight for midtable mediocrity, I'm not bothered about your famed FA Cup. FA Cup winners are remembered - Clubs finishing in mid-table are not. As far as I'm concerned, and I'm a season ticket holder, my season ends here. Why should I spend my hard earned supporting a club that doesn't give a fook? Why should I. Supported Saints for many, many years and never seen fans treated so shabbily.[/p][/quote]Do people who don't live in the UK not count then? Are these fans who spend thousands of pounds to come over here to watch games, or who get up at silly o'clock to watch games on tv every week not entitled to an opinion? What have you got against fans who live abroad? Most come from Southampton and moved for work/family reasons so do they lose their right to be fans because they moved away?[/p][/quote]What I have 'against' people not in the UK posting is that you get a totally different view, literally, of a game you watch on TV especially if it's FOX. When you're at a game, and see the complete picture, and not just the picture the TV companies want you to see, you can have very different opinions on what the game was actually like. Sometimes you guys from overseas, as marvelous as it is that you get up at "silly o'clock", get the wrong picture and I have to say right now it just irks me - OK. That's where we fans who go will educate you.[/p][/quote]Actually, I'd say the almost opposite. Unless you are at every game home and away, their probably seeing more games than you...and unless you are watching through binoculars, those watching all the games live on TV, or internet feed, are seeing things more clearly, and up close. The benefit of being on the ground is that you can actually take your eyes off the 'main' action, and just follow one player, or see stuff off the ball, granted( and that is also very interesting) but usually, if you're behind one goal for example, you can hardly make out the details of what's actually happening at the other end. TV, while completely lacking the atmosphere of the stadium, and also not allowing you to interact / have your voice join the singing etc, DOES allow you to see the minute details much more. So, I think those abroad, or who for whatever reason can't get to matches, but are dedicated to watching every game live by means legal or not on TV/ web, can offer excellent insights and info on things those in the ground may have missed. BracknellSaint

11:05pm Mon 17 Feb 14

arfer phesache says...

TheSaintsSoothsayer wrote:
Can't be bothered to read the essays above, noticeably from people who don't even live in the UK.! I guess they'd soon be on a plane over for a Wembley date!!

Why doesn't Pochetinno do league or FA Cup interviews? I appreciate he never has done but answer me why not?

Why didn't he start with a full, premier league side and when he was 2 or 3 nil up, take them off & rightly, play the fringe players? If we had lost the game at least we could have said "He put out his best team" We can't say that.
Jos Hoiveld in 11 BPL games has never won
Kelvin Davis in his whole Sunderland & Saints career has only ever kept 2 (Yes, TWO) clean sheets!

In my opinion, Pochetinno threw the best chance we've had since 2003 of winning some real silverware. He has treated the travelling fans with disdain. He has treated the FA Cup with disdain.

Pochetinno has acted disgracefully.

I wish Southampton Football Club well in trying to sell cup tickets next season

Simon Carter, I wholeheartedly agree with your article.
Kelvin Davis ended the 2010/11 with 20 clean sheets, in a single season it's more than Peter Shilton managed.
[quote][p][bold]TheSaintsSoothsayer[/bold] wrote: Can't be bothered to read the essays above, noticeably from people who don't even live in the UK.! I guess they'd soon be on a plane over for a Wembley date!! Why doesn't Pochetinno do league or FA Cup interviews? I appreciate he never has done but answer me why not? Why didn't he start with a full, premier league side and when he was 2 or 3 nil up, take them off & rightly, play the fringe players? If we had lost the game at least we could have said "He put out his best team" We can't say that. Jos Hoiveld in 11 BPL games has never won Kelvin Davis in his whole Sunderland & Saints career has only ever kept 2 (Yes, TWO) clean sheets! In my opinion, Pochetinno threw the best chance we've had since 2003 of winning some real silverware. He has treated the travelling fans with disdain. He has treated the FA Cup with disdain. Pochetinno has acted disgracefully. I wish Southampton Football Club well in trying to sell cup tickets next season Simon Carter, I wholeheartedly agree with your article.[/p][/quote]Kelvin Davis ended the 2010/11 with 20 clean sheets, in a single season it's more than Peter Shilton managed. arfer phesache

11:36pm Mon 17 Feb 14

el caballo santos101 says...

TheSaintsSoothsayer wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
TheSaintsSoothsayer wrote:
Ontario Saint wrote:
What is the Echo trying to do? It comes across to me that the Echo is the spokesperson for the Saints fans which mos definitely they are not.
I am sure if I was Poch , it would make me very unwelcome as the Saints Manager . As such it could prove instrumental to the best Manager the Saints have ever had l leaving the Club at the end of the season.

The guy made a genuine mistake knowing the players had travelled to the North East TWICE within 3 days....they were probably suffering from fatigue.

The Ech is far far too sensational in writing GARBAGE like this and they have absolutely no right to speak for the Fans who have been delighted by what Poch has done for the Club.

Lets get behind him for the rest of the season . If Man U think they can get into the top 4 , then why should Saints not go for it too as we are only 3 ponts behind them?
Sorry but this post is a load of garbage, not the article and funnily enough from someone who doesn't even live in the UK.

Before you feel too bad for the professional players of Saints, on a fortune weekly, who played at Hull & Sunderland, just reflect that they flew up the night before, rested overnight in a plush hotel. Played the games and flew back.. In each case the travelling fans had 12 hours, at least, on a coach!!

They have every right to complain about that GARBAGE served up on Saturday.

The message Pochetinno has given out, and it seems you've swallowed it, is I'm happy to fight for midtable mediocrity, I'm not bothered about your famed FA Cup.

FA Cup winners are remembered - Clubs finishing in mid-table are not. As far as I'm concerned, and I'm a season ticket holder, my season ends here. Why should I spend my hard earned supporting a club that doesn't give a fook? Why should I. Supported Saints for many, many years and never seen fans treated so shabbily.
Do people who don't live in the UK not count then?
Are these fans who spend thousands of pounds to come over here to watch games, or who get up at silly o'clock to watch games on tv every week not entitled to an opinion?
What have you got against fans who live abroad?
Most come from Southampton and moved for work/family reasons so do they lose their right to be fans because they moved away?
What I have 'against' people not in the UK posting is that you get a totally different view, literally, of a game you watch on TV especially if it's FOX. When you're at a game, and see the complete picture, and not just the picture the TV companies want you to see, you can have very different opinions on what the game was actually like. Sometimes you guys from overseas, as marvelous as it is that you get up at "silly o'clock", get the wrong picture and I have to say right now it just irks me - OK. That's where we fans who go will educate you.
thank you for taking the time to educate me on your narrow minded views of ALL fans overseas. you also have interesting views on certain tv companies i.e. fox, if you go to every game, which I presume you do, how is it you are able to have such informed opinions on the coverage that fox provide? you might find that viewers overseas get a lot more live tv coverage than the uk and therefore plenty of analysis and close up replays, which im not sure you get at a game. how is it that overseas fans get the `wrong picture`? what picture should they get? there are many many fans abroad and as I said loads of them spend a small fortune coming back to the uk several times a year to watch games at sms and away, do they not get the complete picture? there are also fans around the world who don't get live tv games and instead pay for saints player so that they can listen to solents coverage, they do this week in week out and again at silly o`clock, do they not get the whole picture? my uncle emigrated to Australia over 20years ago, after spending more than that as a season ticket holder who new most of the players, hes managed to come back once for a game in that time but knows more about the game and the club/team than most have forgotten. is his opinion worthless to you? your sweeping and universal dismissal of overseas fans is quite frankly staggering, oh and the only `sea` I am over is the test! I live in totton! so am I `we fans who go` or do I still need to be `educated`?
I am absolutely amazed that you are prepared to disregard peoples views and opinions just because they live abroad!
[quote][p][bold]TheSaintsSoothsayer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheSaintsSoothsayer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ontario Saint[/bold] wrote: What is the Echo trying to do? It comes across to me that the Echo is the spokesperson for the Saints fans which mos definitely they are not. I am sure if I was Poch , it would make me very unwelcome as the Saints Manager . As such it could prove instrumental to the best Manager the Saints have ever had l leaving the Club at the end of the season. The guy made a genuine mistake knowing the players had travelled to the North East TWICE within 3 days....they were probably suffering from fatigue. The Ech is far far too sensational in writing GARBAGE like this and they have absolutely no right to speak for the Fans who have been delighted by what Poch has done for the Club. Lets get behind him for the rest of the season . If Man U think they can get into the top 4 , then why should Saints not go for it too as we are only 3 ponts behind them?[/p][/quote]Sorry but this post is a load of garbage, not the article and funnily enough from someone who doesn't even live in the UK. Before you feel too bad for the professional players of Saints, on a fortune weekly, who played at Hull & Sunderland, just reflect that they flew up the night before, rested overnight in a plush hotel. Played the games and flew back.. In each case the travelling fans had 12 hours, at least, on a coach!! They have every right to complain about that GARBAGE served up on Saturday. The message Pochetinno has given out, and it seems you've swallowed it, is I'm happy to fight for midtable mediocrity, I'm not bothered about your famed FA Cup. FA Cup winners are remembered - Clubs finishing in mid-table are not. As far as I'm concerned, and I'm a season ticket holder, my season ends here. Why should I spend my hard earned supporting a club that doesn't give a fook? Why should I. Supported Saints for many, many years and never seen fans treated so shabbily.[/p][/quote]Do people who don't live in the UK not count then? Are these fans who spend thousands of pounds to come over here to watch games, or who get up at silly o'clock to watch games on tv every week not entitled to an opinion? What have you got against fans who live abroad? Most come from Southampton and moved for work/family reasons so do they lose their right to be fans because they moved away?[/p][/quote]What I have 'against' people not in the UK posting is that you get a totally different view, literally, of a game you watch on TV especially if it's FOX. When you're at a game, and see the complete picture, and not just the picture the TV companies want you to see, you can have very different opinions on what the game was actually like. Sometimes you guys from overseas, as marvelous as it is that you get up at "silly o'clock", get the wrong picture and I have to say right now it just irks me - OK. That's where we fans who go will educate you.[/p][/quote]thank you for taking the time to educate me on your narrow minded views of ALL fans overseas. you also have interesting views on certain tv companies i.e. fox, if you go to every game, which I presume you do, how is it you are able to have such informed opinions on the coverage that fox provide? you might find that viewers overseas get a lot more live tv coverage than the uk and therefore plenty of analysis and close up replays, which im not sure you get at a game. how is it that overseas fans get the `wrong picture`? what picture should they get? there are many many fans abroad and as I said loads of them spend a small fortune coming back to the uk several times a year to watch games at sms and away, do they not get the complete picture? there are also fans around the world who don't get live tv games and instead pay for saints player so that they can listen to solents coverage, they do this week in week out and again at silly o`clock, do they not get the whole picture? my uncle emigrated to Australia over 20years ago, after spending more than that as a season ticket holder who new most of the players, hes managed to come back once for a game in that time but knows more about the game and the club/team than most have forgotten. is his opinion worthless to you? your sweeping and universal dismissal of overseas fans is quite frankly staggering, oh and the only `sea` I am over is the test! I live in totton! so am I `we fans who go` or do I still need to be `educated`? I am absolutely amazed that you are prepared to disregard peoples views and opinions just because they live abroad! el caballo santos101

11:36pm Mon 17 Feb 14

FindAndDestroy says...

Clever Dick wrote:
SFCOLDBOY wrote:
FindAndDestroy wrote:
BAD NEWS FLASH!!!!!

http://www1.skysport



s.com/football/news/



11095/9171385/premie



r-league-mark-clatte



nburg-to-officiate-s



outhampton-game-at-w



est-ham

Why?????????
I wont be at the match but I hope to be listening to the most p1ss taking ever, by our fans at Wet Spam.
This crazy decision to appoint Clutterbrain will be the best thing to unite our support with our team and management after Saturday's debacle.
Wind in to him lads and lasses, remember it don't matter if he makes us lose, we wont get relegated and after all we aint allowed to try to get a Europa spot.
So enjoy yourselves,whatever happens,
COYS

P.S. Strassie,

If you read this----- I understand you will be there, have a good moan at the "REF" for my lot too.
Yes please .come on you travelling Saints fans. Let him know what we think of him. Humiliate, humiliate and humiliate again.
You don't know what you're doing
Who's the w-anker in the black
You've got a Clutter brain.
You never used to be like this when you knew how to referee.
I'm really looking forward to match choice win, lose or draw.
Non stop abuse from beginning to end might finally wake somebody at the fa up.
My Mates Tom Doug and I Are thinking of banner to show Mark Clattenburg how we feel about him....

If you have any sweet ideas what to try on the banner please let me know...
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SFCOLDBOY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FindAndDestroy[/bold] wrote: BAD NEWS FLASH!!!!! http://www1.skysport s.com/football/news/ 11095/9171385/premie r-league-mark-clatte nburg-to-officiate-s outhampton-game-at-w est-ham Why?????????[/p][/quote]I wont be at the match but I hope to be listening to the most p1ss taking ever, by our fans at Wet Spam. This crazy decision to appoint Clutterbrain will be the best thing to unite our support with our team and management after Saturday's debacle. Wind in to him lads and lasses, remember it don't matter if he makes us lose, we wont get relegated and after all we aint allowed to try to get a Europa spot. So enjoy yourselves,whatever happens, COYS P.S. Strassie, If you read this----- I understand you will be there, have a good moan at the "REF" for my lot too.[/p][/quote]Yes please .come on you travelling Saints fans. Let him know what we think of him. Humiliate, humiliate and humiliate again. You don't know what you're doing Who's the w-anker in the black You've got a Clutter brain. You never used to be like this when you knew how to referee. I'm really looking forward to match choice win, lose or draw. Non stop abuse from beginning to end might finally wake somebody at the fa up.[/p][/quote]My Mates Tom Doug and I Are thinking of banner to show Mark Clattenburg how we feel about him.... If you have any sweet ideas what to try on the banner please let me know... FindAndDestroy

12:00am Tue 18 Feb 14

el caballo santos101 says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
TheSaintsSoothsayer wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
TheSaintsSoothsayer wrote:
Ontario Saint wrote:
What is the Echo trying to do? It comes across to me that the Echo is the spokesperson for the Saints fans which mos definitely they are not.
I am sure if I was Poch , it would make me very unwelcome as the Saints Manager . As such it could prove instrumental to the best Manager the Saints have ever had l leaving the Club at the end of the season.

The guy made a genuine mistake knowing the players had travelled to the North East TWICE within 3 days....they were probably suffering from fatigue.

The Ech is far far too sensational in writing GARBAGE like this and they have absolutely no right to speak for the Fans who have been delighted by what Poch has done for the Club.

Lets get behind him for the rest of the season . If Man U think they can get into the top 4 , then why should Saints not go for it too as we are only 3 ponts behind them?
Sorry but this post is a load of garbage, not the article and funnily enough from someone who doesn't even live in the UK.

Before you feel too bad for the professional players of Saints, on a fortune weekly, who played at Hull & Sunderland, just reflect that they flew up the night before, rested overnight in a plush hotel. Played the games and flew back.. In each case the travelling fans had 12 hours, at least, on a coach!!

They have every right to complain about that GARBAGE served up on Saturday.

The message Pochetinno has given out, and it seems you've swallowed it, is I'm happy to fight for midtable mediocrity, I'm not bothered about your famed FA Cup.

FA Cup winners are remembered - Clubs finishing in mid-table are not. As far as I'm concerned, and I'm a season ticket holder, my season ends here. Why should I spend my hard earned supporting a club that doesn't give a fook? Why should I. Supported Saints for many, many years and never seen fans treated so shabbily.
Do people who don't live in the UK not count then?
Are these fans who spend thousands of pounds to come over here to watch games, or who get up at silly o'clock to watch games on tv every week not entitled to an opinion?
What have you got against fans who live abroad?
Most come from Southampton and moved for work/family reasons so do they lose their right to be fans because they moved away?
What I have 'against' people not in the UK posting is that you get a totally different view, literally, of a game you watch on TV especially if it's FOX. When you're at a game, and see the complete picture, and not just the picture the TV companies want you to see, you can have very different opinions on what the game was actually like. Sometimes you guys from overseas, as marvelous as it is that you get up at "silly o'clock", get the wrong picture and I have to say right now it just irks me - OK. That's where we fans who go will educate you.
thank you for taking the time to educate me on your narrow minded views of ALL fans overseas. you also have interesting views on certain tv companies i.e. fox, if you go to every game, which I presume you do, how is it you are able to have such informed opinions on the coverage that fox provide? you might find that viewers overseas get a lot more live tv coverage than the uk and therefore plenty of analysis and close up replays, which im not sure you get at a game. how is it that overseas fans get the `wrong picture`? what picture should they get? there are many many fans abroad and as I said loads of them spend a small fortune coming back to the uk several times a year to watch games at sms and away, do they not get the complete picture? there are also fans around the world who don't get live tv games and instead pay for saints player so that they can listen to solents coverage, they do this week in week out and again at silly o`clock, do they not get the whole picture? my uncle emigrated to Australia over 20years ago, after spending more than that as a season ticket holder who new most of the players, hes managed to come back once for a game in that time but knows more about the game and the club/team than most have forgotten. is his opinion worthless to you? your sweeping and universal dismissal of overseas fans is quite frankly staggering, oh and the only `sea` I am over is the test! I live in totton! so am I `we fans who go` or do I still need to be `educated`?
I am absolutely amazed that you are prepared to disregard peoples views and opinions just because they live abroad!
sorry that should read `my uncle has forgotten more than most will ever know!` perhaps I do need `educating` ;0) my disbelief at TheSaintsSoothsayer`
s views of our wonderful fans abroad must have affected me more than I realised.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheSaintsSoothsayer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheSaintsSoothsayer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ontario Saint[/bold] wrote: What is the Echo trying to do? It comes across to me that the Echo is the spokesperson for the Saints fans which mos definitely they are not. I am sure if I was Poch , it would make me very unwelcome as the Saints Manager . As such it could prove instrumental to the best Manager the Saints have ever had l leaving the Club at the end of the season. The guy made a genuine mistake knowing the players had travelled to the North East TWICE within 3 days....they were probably suffering from fatigue. The Ech is far far too sensational in writing GARBAGE like this and they have absolutely no right to speak for the Fans who have been delighted by what Poch has done for the Club. Lets get behind him for the rest of the season . If Man U think they can get into the top 4 , then why should Saints not go for it too as we are only 3 ponts behind them?[/p][/quote]Sorry but this post is a load of garbage, not the article and funnily enough from someone who doesn't even live in the UK. Before you feel too bad for the professional players of Saints, on a fortune weekly, who played at Hull & Sunderland, just reflect that they flew up the night before, rested overnight in a plush hotel. Played the games and flew back.. In each case the travelling fans had 12 hours, at least, on a coach!! They have every right to complain about that GARBAGE served up on Saturday. The message Pochetinno has given out, and it seems you've swallowed it, is I'm happy to fight for midtable mediocrity, I'm not bothered about your famed FA Cup. FA Cup winners are remembered - Clubs finishing in mid-table are not. As far as I'm concerned, and I'm a season ticket holder, my season ends here. Why should I spend my hard earned supporting a club that doesn't give a fook? Why should I. Supported Saints for many, many years and never seen fans treated so shabbily.[/p][/quote]Do people who don't live in the UK not count then? Are these fans who spend thousands of pounds to come over here to watch games, or who get up at silly o'clock to watch games on tv every week not entitled to an opinion? What have you got against fans who live abroad? Most come from Southampton and moved for work/family reasons so do they lose their right to be fans because they moved away?[/p][/quote]What I have 'against' people not in the UK posting is that you get a totally different view, literally, of a game you watch on TV especially if it's FOX. When you're at a game, and see the complete picture, and not just the picture the TV companies want you to see, you can have very different opinions on what the game was actually like. Sometimes you guys from overseas, as marvelous as it is that you get up at "silly o'clock", get the wrong picture and I have to say right now it just irks me - OK. That's where we fans who go will educate you.[/p][/quote]thank you for taking the time to educate me on your narrow minded views of ALL fans overseas. you also have interesting views on certain tv companies i.e. fox, if you go to every game, which I presume you do, how is it you are able to have such informed opinions on the coverage that fox provide? you might find that viewers overseas get a lot more live tv coverage than the uk and therefore plenty of analysis and close up replays, which im not sure you get at a game. how is it that overseas fans get the `wrong picture`? what picture should they get? there are many many fans abroad and as I said loads of them spend a small fortune coming back to the uk several times a year to watch games at sms and away, do they not get the complete picture? there are also fans around the world who don't get live tv games and instead pay for saints player so that they can listen to solents coverage, they do this week in week out and again at silly o`clock, do they not get the whole picture? my uncle emigrated to Australia over 20years ago, after spending more than that as a season ticket holder who new most of the players, hes managed to come back once for a game in that time but knows more about the game and the club/team than most have forgotten. is his opinion worthless to you? your sweeping and universal dismissal of overseas fans is quite frankly staggering, oh and the only `sea` I am over is the test! I live in totton! so am I `we fans who go` or do I still need to be `educated`? I am absolutely amazed that you are prepared to disregard peoples views and opinions just because they live abroad![/p][/quote]sorry that should read `my uncle has forgotten more than most will ever know!` perhaps I do need `educating` ;0) my disbelief at TheSaintsSoothsayer` s views of our wonderful fans abroad must have affected me more than I realised. el caballo santos101

3:03am Tue 18 Feb 14

st1halo says...

TheSaintsSoothsayer wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
TheSaintsSoothsayer wrote:
Ontario Saint wrote:
What is the Echo trying to do? It comes across to me that the Echo is the spokesperson for the Saints fans which mos definitely they are not.
I am sure if I was Poch , it would make me very unwelcome as the Saints Manager . As such it could prove instrumental to the best Manager the Saints have ever had l leaving the Club at the end of the season.

The guy made a genuine mistake knowing the players had travelled to the North East TWICE within 3 days....they were probably suffering from fatigue.

The Ech is far far too sensational in writing GARBAGE like this and they have absolutely no right to speak for the Fans who have been delighted by what Poch has done for the Club.

Lets get behind him for the rest of the season . If Man U think they can get into the top 4 , then why should Saints not go for it too as we are only 3 ponts behind them?
Sorry but this post is a load of garbage, not the article and funnily enough from someone who doesn't even live in the UK.

Before you feel too bad for the professional players of Saints, on a fortune weekly, who played at Hull & Sunderland, just reflect that they flew up the night before, rested overnight in a plush hotel. Played the games and flew back.. In each case the travelling fans had 12 hours, at least, on a coach!!

They have every right to complain about that GARBAGE served up on Saturday.

The message Pochetinno has given out, and it seems you've swallowed it, is I'm happy to fight for midtable mediocrity, I'm not bothered about your famed FA Cup.

FA Cup winners are remembered - Clubs finishing in mid-table are not. As far as I'm concerned, and I'm a season ticket holder, my season ends here. Why should I spend my hard earned supporting a club that doesn't give a fook? Why should I. Supported Saints for many, many years and never seen fans treated so shabbily.
Do people who don't live in the UK not count then?
Are these fans who spend thousands of pounds to come over here to watch games, or who get up at silly o'clock to watch games on tv every week not entitled to an opinion?
What have you got against fans who live abroad?
Most come from Southampton and moved for work/family reasons so do they lose their right to be fans because they moved away?
What I have 'against' people not in the UK posting is that you get a totally different view, literally, of a game you watch on TV especially if it's FOX. When you're at a game, and see the complete picture, and not just the picture the TV companies want you to see, you can have very different opinions on what the game was actually like. Sometimes you guys from overseas, as marvelous as it is that you get up at "silly o'clock", get the wrong picture and I have to say right now it just irks me - OK. That's where we fans who go will educate you.
That has to be the most ridiculous comment I've ever read on here.

I go to the games and record games to watch them again and constantly see things I missed.

Football is not about what you see, ti's about your opinion of what you see. Ten people can see the same incident and each have a different opinion on what they have seen.

What you see is no more educated than what anyone else has seen - It's just an opinion. Do you see?

STID
[quote][p][bold]TheSaintsSoothsayer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheSaintsSoothsayer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ontario Saint[/bold] wrote: What is the Echo trying to do? It comes across to me that the Echo is the spokesperson for the Saints fans which mos definitely they are not. I am sure if I was Poch , it would make me very unwelcome as the Saints Manager . As such it could prove instrumental to the best Manager the Saints have ever had l leaving the Club at the end of the season. The guy made a genuine mistake knowing the players had travelled to the North East TWICE within 3 days....they were probably suffering from fatigue. The Ech is far far too sensational in writing GARBAGE like this and they have absolutely no right to speak for the Fans who have been delighted by what Poch has done for the Club. Lets get behind him for the rest of the season . If Man U think they can get into the top 4 , then why should Saints not go for it too as we are only 3 ponts behind them?[/p][/quote]Sorry but this post is a load of garbage, not the article and funnily enough from someone who doesn't even live in the UK. Before you feel too bad for the professional players of Saints, on a fortune weekly, who played at Hull & Sunderland, just reflect that they flew up the night before, rested overnight in a plush hotel. Played the games and flew back.. In each case the travelling fans had 12 hours, at least, on a coach!! They have every right to complain about that GARBAGE served up on Saturday. The message Pochetinno has given out, and it seems you've swallowed it, is I'm happy to fight for midtable mediocrity, I'm not bothered about your famed FA Cup. FA Cup winners are remembered - Clubs finishing in mid-table are not. As far as I'm concerned, and I'm a season ticket holder, my season ends here. Why should I spend my hard earned supporting a club that doesn't give a fook? Why should I. Supported Saints for many, many years and never seen fans treated so shabbily.[/p][/quote]Do people who don't live in the UK not count then? Are these fans who spend thousands of pounds to come over here to watch games, or who get up at silly o'clock to watch games on tv every week not entitled to an opinion? What have you got against fans who live abroad? Most come from Southampton and moved for work/family reasons so do they lose their right to be fans because they moved away?[/p][/quote]What I have 'against' people not in the UK posting is that you get a totally different view, literally, of a game you watch on TV especially if it's FOX. When you're at a game, and see the complete picture, and not just the picture the TV companies want you to see, you can have very different opinions on what the game was actually like. Sometimes you guys from overseas, as marvelous as it is that you get up at "silly o'clock", get the wrong picture and I have to say right now it just irks me - OK. That's where we fans who go will educate you.[/p][/quote]That has to be the most ridiculous comment I've ever read on here. I go to the games and record games to watch them again and constantly see things I missed. Football is not about what you see, ti's about your opinion of what you see. Ten people can see the same incident and each have a different opinion on what they have seen. What you see is no more educated than what anyone else has seen - It's just an opinion. Do you see? STID st1halo

3:23am Tue 18 Feb 14

el caballo santos101 says...

st1halo wrote:
TheSaintsSoothsayer wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
TheSaintsSoothsayer wrote:
Ontario Saint wrote:
What is the Echo trying to do? It comes across to me that the Echo is the spokesperson for the Saints fans which mos definitely they are not.
I am sure if I was Poch , it would make me very unwelcome as the Saints Manager . As such it could prove instrumental to the best Manager the Saints have ever had l leaving the Club at the end of the season.

The guy made a genuine mistake knowing the players had travelled to the North East TWICE within 3 days....they were probably suffering from fatigue.

The Ech is far far too sensational in writing GARBAGE like this and they have absolutely no right to speak for the Fans who have been delighted by what Poch has done for the Club.

Lets get behind him for the rest of the season . If Man U think they can get into the top 4 , then why should Saints not go for it too as we are only 3 ponts behind them?
Sorry but this post is a load of garbage, not the article and funnily enough from someone who doesn't even live in the UK.

Before you feel too bad for the professional players of Saints, on a fortune weekly, who played at Hull & Sunderland, just reflect that they flew up the night before, rested overnight in a plush hotel. Played the games and flew back.. In each case the travelling fans had 12 hours, at least, on a coach!!

They have every right to complain about that GARBAGE served up on Saturday.

The message Pochetinno has given out, and it seems you've swallowed it, is I'm happy to fight for midtable mediocrity, I'm not bothered about your famed FA Cup.

FA Cup winners are remembered - Clubs finishing in mid-table are not. As far as I'm concerned, and I'm a season ticket holder, my season ends here. Why should I spend my hard earned supporting a club that doesn't give a fook? Why should I. Supported Saints for many, many years and never seen fans treated so shabbily.
Do people who don't live in the UK not count then?
Are these fans who spend thousands of pounds to come over here to watch games, or who get up at silly o'clock to watch games on tv every week not entitled to an opinion?
What have you got against fans who live abroad?
Most come from Southampton and moved for work/family reasons so do they lose their right to be fans because they moved away?
What I have 'against' people not in the UK posting is that you get a totally different view, literally, of a game you watch on TV especially if it's FOX. When you're at a game, and see the complete picture, and not just the picture the TV companies want you to see, you can have very different opinions on what the game was actually like. Sometimes you guys from overseas, as marvelous as it is that you get up at "silly o'clock", get the wrong picture and I have to say right now it just irks me - OK. That's where we fans who go will educate you.
That has to be the most ridiculous comment I've ever read on here.

I go to the games and record games to watch them again and constantly see things I missed.

Football is not about what you see, ti's about your opinion of what you see. Ten people can see the same incident and each have a different opinion on what they have seen.

What you see is no more educated than what anyone else has seen - It's just an opinion. Do you see?

STID
Its also very offensive to the fans who had to leave Southampton for various reasons and our growing number of foreign fans, to suggest the need to be 'educated' by anyone .is beyond belief, I don't always agree with what people post but never do I even consider their geographical location. I can only assume that these comments aren't real and are a wind up!
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheSaintsSoothsayer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheSaintsSoothsayer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ontario Saint[/bold] wrote: What is the Echo trying to do? It comes across to me that the Echo is the spokesperson for the Saints fans which mos definitely they are not. I am sure if I was Poch , it would make me very unwelcome as the Saints Manager . As such it could prove instrumental to the best Manager the Saints have ever had l leaving the Club at the end of the season. The guy made a genuine mistake knowing the players had travelled to the North East TWICE within 3 days....they were probably suffering from fatigue. The Ech is far far too sensational in writing GARBAGE like this and they have absolutely no right to speak for the Fans who have been delighted by what Poch has done for the Club. Lets get behind him for the rest of the season . If Man U think they can get into the top 4 , then why should Saints not go for it too as we are only 3 ponts behind them?[/p][/quote]Sorry but this post is a load of garbage, not the article and funnily enough from someone who doesn't even live in the UK. Before you feel too bad for the professional players of Saints, on a fortune weekly, who played at Hull & Sunderland, just reflect that they flew up the night before, rested overnight in a plush hotel. Played the games and flew back.. In each case the travelling fans had 12 hours, at least, on a coach!! They have every right to complain about that GARBAGE served up on Saturday. The message Pochetinno has given out, and it seems you've swallowed it, is I'm happy to fight for midtable mediocrity, I'm not bothered about your famed FA Cup. FA Cup winners are remembered - Clubs finishing in mid-table are not. As far as I'm concerned, and I'm a season ticket holder, my season ends here. Why should I spend my hard earned supporting a club that doesn't give a fook? Why should I. Supported Saints for many, many years and never seen fans treated so shabbily.[/p][/quote]Do people who don't live in the UK not count then? Are these fans who spend thousands of pounds to come over here to watch games, or who get up at silly o'clock to watch games on tv every week not entitled to an opinion? What have you got against fans who live abroad? Most come from Southampton and moved for work/family reasons so do they lose their right to be fans because they moved away?[/p][/quote]What I have 'against' people not in the UK posting is that you get a totally different view, literally, of a game you watch on TV especially if it's FOX. When you're at a game, and see the complete picture, and not just the picture the TV companies want you to see, you can have very different opinions on what the game was actually like. Sometimes you guys from overseas, as marvelous as it is that you get up at "silly o'clock", get the wrong picture and I have to say right now it just irks me - OK. That's where we fans who go will educate you.[/p][/quote]That has to be the most ridiculous comment I've ever read on here. I go to the games and record games to watch them again and constantly see things I missed. Football is not about what you see, ti's about your opinion of what you see. Ten people can see the same incident and each have a different opinion on what they have seen. What you see is no more educated than what anyone else has seen - It's just an opinion. Do you see? STID[/p][/quote]Its also very offensive to the fans who had to leave Southampton for various reasons and our growing number of foreign fans, to suggest the need to be 'educated' by anyone .is beyond belief, I don't always agree with what people post but never do I even consider their geographical location. I can only assume that these comments aren't real and are a wind up! el caballo santos101

5:25am Tue 18 Feb 14

Rising_Son says...

st1halo wrote:
TheSaintsSoothsayer wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
TheSaintsSoothsayer wrote:
Ontario Saint wrote:
What is the Echo trying to do? It comes across to me that the Echo is the spokesperson for the Saints fans which mos definitely they are not.
I am sure if I was Poch , it would make me very unwelcome as the Saints Manager . As such it could prove instrumental to the best Manager the Saints have ever had l leaving the Club at the end of the season.

The guy made a genuine mistake knowing the players had travelled to the North East TWICE within 3 days....they were probably suffering from fatigue.

The Ech is far far too sensational in writing GARBAGE like this and they have absolutely no right to speak for the Fans who have been delighted by what Poch has done for the Club.

Lets get behind him for the rest of the season . If Man U think they can get into the top 4 , then why should Saints not go for it too as we are only 3 ponts behind them?
Sorry but this post is a load of garbage, not the article and funnily enough from someone who doesn't even live in the UK.

Before you feel too bad for the professional players of Saints, on a fortune weekly, who played at Hull & Sunderland, just reflect that they flew up the night before, rested overnight in a plush hotel. Played the games and flew back.. In each case the travelling fans had 12 hours, at least, on a coach!!

They have every right to complain about that GARBAGE served up on Saturday.

The message Pochetinno has given out, and it seems you've swallowed it, is I'm happy to fight for midtable mediocrity, I'm not bothered about your famed FA Cup.

FA Cup winners are remembered - Clubs finishing in mid-table are not. As far as I'm concerned, and I'm a season ticket holder, my season ends here. Why should I spend my hard earned supporting a club that doesn't give a fook? Why should I. Supported Saints for many, many years and never seen fans treated so shabbily.
Do people who don't live in the UK not count then?
Are these fans who spend thousands of pounds to come over here to watch games, or who get up at silly o'clock to watch games on tv every week not entitled to an opinion?
What have you got against fans who live abroad?
Most come from Southampton and moved for work/family reasons so do they lose their right to be fans because they moved away?
What I have 'against' people not in the UK posting is that you get a totally different view, literally, of a game you watch on TV especially if it's FOX. When you're at a game, and see the complete picture, and not just the picture the TV companies want you to see, you can have very different opinions on what the game was actually like. Sometimes you guys from overseas, as marvelous as it is that you get up at "silly o'clock", get the wrong picture and I have to say right now it just irks me - OK. That's where we fans who go will educate you.
That has to be the most ridiculous comment I've ever read on here.

I go to the games and record games to watch them again and constantly see things I missed.

Football is not about what you see, ti's about your opinion of what you see. Ten people can see the same incident and each have a different opinion on what they have seen.

What you see is no more educated than what anyone else has seen - It's just an opinion. Do you see?

STID
Sadly, he probably doesn't.
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheSaintsSoothsayer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheSaintsSoothsayer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ontario Saint[/bold] wrote: What is the Echo trying to do? It comes across to me that the Echo is the spokesperson for the Saints fans which mos definitely they are not. I am sure if I was Poch , it would make me very unwelcome as the Saints Manager . As such it could prove instrumental to the best Manager the Saints have ever had l leaving the Club at the end of the season. The guy made a genuine mistake knowing the players had travelled to the North East TWICE within 3 days....they were probably suffering from fatigue. The Ech is far far too sensational in writing GARBAGE like this and they have absolutely no right to speak for the Fans who have been delighted by what Poch has done for the Club. Lets get behind him for the rest of the season . If Man U think they can get into the top 4 , then why should Saints not go for it too as we are only 3 ponts behind them?[/p][/quote]Sorry but this post is a load of garbage, not the article and funnily enough from someone who doesn't even live in the UK. Before you feel too bad for the professional players of Saints, on a fortune weekly, who played at Hull & Sunderland, just reflect that they flew up the night before, rested overnight in a plush hotel. Played the games and flew back.. In each case the travelling fans had 12 hours, at least, on a coach!! They have every right to complain about that GARBAGE served up on Saturday. The message Pochetinno has given out, and it seems you've swallowed it, is I'm happy to fight for midtable mediocrity, I'm not bothered about your famed FA Cup. FA Cup winners are remembered - Clubs finishing in mid-table are not. As far as I'm concerned, and I'm a season ticket holder, my season ends here. Why should I spend my hard earned supporting a club that doesn't give a fook? Why should I. Supported Saints for many, many years and never seen fans treated so shabbily.[/p][/quote]Do people who don't live in the UK not count then? Are these fans who spend thousands of pounds to come over here to watch games, or who get up at silly o'clock to watch games on tv every week not entitled to an opinion? What have you got against fans who live abroad? Most come from Southampton and moved for work/family reasons so do they lose their right to be fans because they moved away?[/p][/quote]What I have 'against' people not in the UK posting is that you get a totally different view, literally, of a game you watch on TV especially if it's FOX. When you're at a game, and see the complete picture, and not just the picture the TV companies want you to see, you can have very different opinions on what the game was actually like. Sometimes you guys from overseas, as marvelous as it is that you get up at "silly o'clock", get the wrong picture and I have to say right now it just irks me - OK. That's where we fans who go will educate you.[/p][/quote]That has to be the most ridiculous comment I've ever read on here. I go to the games and record games to watch them again and constantly see things I missed. Football is not about what you see, ti's about your opinion of what you see. Ten people can see the same incident and each have a different opinion on what they have seen. What you see is no more educated than what anyone else has seen - It's just an opinion. Do you see? STID[/p][/quote]Sadly, he probably doesn't. Rising_Son

5:25am Tue 18 Feb 14

Rising_Son says...

st1halo wrote:
TheSaintsSoothsayer wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
TheSaintsSoothsayer wrote:
Ontario Saint wrote:
What is the Echo trying to do? It comes across to me that the Echo is the spokesperson for the Saints fans which mos definitely they are not.
I am sure if I was Poch , it would make me very unwelcome as the Saints Manager . As such it could prove instrumental to the best Manager the Saints have ever had l leaving the Club at the end of the season.

The guy made a genuine mistake knowing the players had travelled to the North East TWICE within 3 days....they were probably suffering from fatigue.

The Ech is far far too sensational in writing GARBAGE like this and they have absolutely no right to speak for the Fans who have been delighted by what Poch has done for the Club.

Lets get behind him for the rest of the season . If Man U think they can get into the top 4 , then why should Saints not go for it too as we are only 3 ponts behind them?
Sorry but this post is a load of garbage, not the article and funnily enough from someone who doesn't even live in the UK.

Before you feel too bad for the professional players of Saints, on a fortune weekly, who played at Hull & Sunderland, just reflect that they flew up the night before, rested overnight in a plush hotel. Played the games and flew back.. In each case the travelling fans had 12 hours, at least, on a coach!!

They have every right to complain about that GARBAGE served up on Saturday.

The message Pochetinno has given out, and it seems you've swallowed it, is I'm happy to fight for midtable mediocrity, I'm not bothered about your famed FA Cup.

FA Cup winners are remembered - Clubs finishing in mid-table are not. As far as I'm concerned, and I'm a season ticket holder, my season ends here. Why should I spend my hard earned supporting a club that doesn't give a fook? Why should I. Supported Saints for many, many years and never seen fans treated so shabbily.
Do people who don't live in the UK not count then?
Are these fans who spend thousands of pounds to come over here to watch games, or who get up at silly o'clock to watch games on tv every week not entitled to an opinion?
What have you got against fans who live abroad?
Most come from Southampton and moved for work/family reasons so do they lose their right to be fans because they moved away?
What I have 'against' people not in the UK posting is that you get a totally different view, literally, of a game you watch on TV especially if it's FOX. When you're at a game, and see the complete picture, and not just the picture the TV companies want you to see, you can have very different opinions on what the game was actually like. Sometimes you guys from overseas, as marvelous as it is that you get up at "silly o'clock", get the wrong picture and I have to say right now it just irks me - OK. That's where we fans who go will educate you.
That has to be the most ridiculous comment I've ever read on here.

I go to the games and record games to watch them again and constantly see things I missed.

Football is not about what you see, ti's about your opinion of what you see. Ten people can see the same incident and each have a different opinion on what they have seen.

What you see is no more educated than what anyone else has seen - It's just an opinion. Do you see?

STID
Sadly, he probably doesn't.
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheSaintsSoothsayer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheSaintsSoothsayer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ontario Saint[/bold] wrote: What is the Echo trying to do? It comes across to me that the Echo is the spokesperson for the Saints fans which mos definitely they are not. I am sure if I was Poch , it would make me very unwelcome as the Saints Manager . As such it could prove instrumental to the best Manager the Saints have ever had l leaving the Club at the end of the season. The guy made a genuine mistake knowing the players had travelled to the North East TWICE within 3 days....they were probably suffering from fatigue. The Ech is far far too sensational in writing GARBAGE like this and they have absolutely no right to speak for the Fans who have been delighted by what Poch has done for the Club. Lets get behind him for the rest of the season . If Man U think they can get into the top 4 , then why should Saints not go for it too as we are only 3 ponts behind them?[/p][/quote]Sorry but this post is a load of garbage, not the article and funnily enough from someone who doesn't even live in the UK. Before you feel too bad for the professional players of Saints, on a fortune weekly, who played at Hull & Sunderland, just reflect that they flew up the night before, rested overnight in a plush hotel. Played the games and flew back.. In each case the travelling fans had 12 hours, at least, on a coach!! They have every right to complain about that GARBAGE served up on Saturday. The message Pochetinno has given out, and it seems you've swallowed it, is I'm happy to fight for midtable mediocrity, I'm not bothered about your famed FA Cup. FA Cup winners are remembered - Clubs finishing in mid-table are not. As far as I'm concerned, and I'm a season ticket holder, my season ends here. Why should I spend my hard earned supporting a club that doesn't give a fook? Why should I. Supported Saints for many, many years and never seen fans treated so shabbily.[/p][/quote]Do people who don't live in the UK not count then? Are these fans who spend thousands of pounds to come over here to watch games, or who get up at silly o'clock to watch games on tv every week not entitled to an opinion? What have you got against fans who live abroad? Most come from Southampton and moved for work/family reasons so do they lose their right to be fans because they moved away?[/p][/quote]What I have 'against' people not in the UK posting is that you get a totally different view, literally, of a game you watch on TV especially if it's FOX. When you're at a game, and see the complete picture, and not just the picture the TV companies want you to see, you can have very different opinions on what the game was actually like. Sometimes you guys from overseas, as marvelous as it is that you get up at "silly o'clock", get the wrong picture and I have to say right now it just irks me - OK. That's where we fans who go will educate you.[/p][/quote]That has to be the most ridiculous comment I've ever read on here. I go to the games and record games to watch them again and constantly see things I missed. Football is not about what you see, ti's about your opinion of what you see. Ten people can see the same incident and each have a different opinion on what they have seen. What you see is no more educated than what anyone else has seen - It's just an opinion. Do you see? STID[/p][/quote]Sadly, he probably doesn't. Rising_Son

5:57am Tue 18 Feb 14

SWAYTHLING SAINT says...

arfer phesache wrote:
TheSaintsSoothsayer wrote:
Can't be bothered to read the essays above, noticeably from people who don't even live in the UK.! I guess they'd soon be on a plane over for a Wembley date!!

Why doesn't Pochetinno do league or FA Cup interviews? I appreciate he never has done but answer me why not?

Why didn't he start with a full, premier league side and when he was 2 or 3 nil up, take them off & rightly, play the fringe players? If we had lost the game at least we could have said "He put out his best team" We can't say that.
Jos Hoiveld in 11 BPL games has never won
Kelvin Davis in his whole Sunderland & Saints career has only ever kept 2 (Yes, TWO) clean sheets!

In my opinion, Pochetinno threw the best chance we've had since 2003 of winning some real silverware. He has treated the travelling fans with disdain. He has treated the FA Cup with disdain.

Pochetinno has acted disgracefully.

I wish Southampton Football Club well in trying to sell cup tickets next season

Simon Carter, I wholeheartedly agree with your article.
Kelvin Davis ended the 2010/11 with 20 clean sheets, in a single season it's more than Peter Shilton managed.
I think you'll find that the great Peter Shilton was competing against top flight opposition, whereas Kelvin was not. Add to this the fact that both had different defences in front of them and the point you're trying to make doesn't really stack up. And let's be honest the two can't ever be compared, Shilton at that time was world class whereas Kelvin wasn't and isn't.
[quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheSaintsSoothsayer[/bold] wrote: Can't be bothered to read the essays above, noticeably from people who don't even live in the UK.! I guess they'd soon be on a plane over for a Wembley date!! Why doesn't Pochetinno do league or FA Cup interviews? I appreciate he never has done but answer me why not? Why didn't he start with a full, premier league side and when he was 2 or 3 nil up, take them off & rightly, play the fringe players? If we had lost the game at least we could have said "He put out his best team" We can't say that. Jos Hoiveld in 11 BPL games has never won Kelvin Davis in his whole Sunderland & Saints career has only ever kept 2 (Yes, TWO) clean sheets! In my opinion, Pochetinno threw the best chance we've had since 2003 of winning some real silverware. He has treated the travelling fans with disdain. He has treated the FA Cup with disdain. Pochetinno has acted disgracefully. I wish Southampton Football Club well in trying to sell cup tickets next season Simon Carter, I wholeheartedly agree with your article.[/p][/quote]Kelvin Davis ended the 2010/11 with 20 clean sheets, in a single season it's more than Peter Shilton managed.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find that the great Peter Shilton was competing against top flight opposition, whereas Kelvin was not. Add to this the fact that both had different defences in front of them and the point you're trying to make doesn't really stack up. And let's be honest the two can't ever be compared, Shilton at that time was world class whereas Kelvin wasn't and isn't. SWAYTHLING SAINT

7:35am Tue 18 Feb 14

Rising_Son says...

SWAYTHLING SAINT wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
TheSaintsSoothsayer wrote:
Can't be bothered to read the essays above, noticeably from people who don't even live in the UK.! I guess they'd soon be on a plane over for a Wembley date!!

Why doesn't Pochetinno do league or FA Cup interviews? I appreciate he never has done but answer me why not?

Why didn't he start with a full, premier league side and when he was 2 or 3 nil up, take them off & rightly, play the fringe players? If we had lost the game at least we could have said "He put out his best team" We can't say that.
Jos Hoiveld in 11 BPL games has never won
Kelvin Davis in his whole Sunderland & Saints career has only ever kept 2 (Yes, TWO) clean sheets!

In my opinion, Pochetinno threw the best chance we've had since 2003 of winning some real silverware. He has treated the travelling fans with disdain. He has treated the FA Cup with disdain.

Pochetinno has acted disgracefully.

I wish Southampton Football Club well in trying to sell cup tickets next season

Simon Carter, I wholeheartedly agree with your article.
Kelvin Davis ended the 2010/11 with 20 clean sheets, in a single season it's more than Peter Shilton managed.
I think you'll find that the great Peter Shilton was competing against top flight opposition, whereas Kelvin was not. Add to this the fact that both had different defences in front of them and the point you're trying to make doesn't really stack up. And let's be honest the two can't ever be compared, Shilton at that time was world class whereas Kelvin wasn't and isn't.
Arfer never claimed that Kelvin Davis was a better goalkeeper than Peter
Shilton. He only pointed out that he had more clean sheets.

Also, if you think that the quality of the defences in front of them is a factor, no comparison of the goalkeepers would be very valid, not even yours.
[quote][p][bold]SWAYTHLING SAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheSaintsSoothsayer[/bold] wrote: Can't be bothered to read the essays above, noticeably from people who don't even live in the UK.! I guess they'd soon be on a plane over for a Wembley date!! Why doesn't Pochetinno do league or FA Cup interviews? I appreciate he never has done but answer me why not? Why didn't he start with a full, premier league side and when he was 2 or 3 nil up, take them off & rightly, play the fringe players? If we had lost the game at least we could have said "He put out his best team" We can't say that. Jos Hoiveld in 11 BPL games has never won Kelvin Davis in his whole Sunderland & Saints career has only ever kept 2 (Yes, TWO) clean sheets! In my opinion, Pochetinno threw the best chance we've had since 2003 of winning some real silverware. He has treated the travelling fans with disdain. He has treated the FA Cup with disdain. Pochetinno has acted disgracefully. I wish Southampton Football Club well in trying to sell cup tickets next season Simon Carter, I wholeheartedly agree with your article.[/p][/quote]Kelvin Davis ended the 2010/11 with 20 clean sheets, in a single season it's more than Peter Shilton managed.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find that the great Peter Shilton was competing against top flight opposition, whereas Kelvin was not. Add to this the fact that both had different defences in front of them and the point you're trying to make doesn't really stack up. And let's be honest the two can't ever be compared, Shilton at that time was world class whereas Kelvin wasn't and isn't.[/p][/quote]Arfer never claimed that Kelvin Davis was a better goalkeeper than Peter Shilton. He only pointed out that he had more clean sheets. Also, if you think that the quality of the defences in front of them is a factor, no comparison of the goalkeepers would be very valid, not even yours. Rising_Son

7:52am Tue 18 Feb 14

SWAYTHLING SAINT says...

Rising_Son wrote:
SWAYTHLING SAINT wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
TheSaintsSoothsayer wrote:
Can't be bothered to read the essays above, noticeably from people who don't even live in the UK.! I guess they'd soon be on a plane over for a Wembley date!!

Why doesn't Pochetinno do league or FA Cup interviews? I appreciate he never has done but answer me why not?

Why didn't he start with a full, premier league side and when he was 2 or 3 nil up, take them off & rightly, play the fringe players? If we had lost the game at least we could have said "He put out his best team" We can't say that.
Jos Hoiveld in 11 BPL games has never won
Kelvin Davis in his whole Sunderland & Saints career has only ever kept 2 (Yes, TWO) clean sheets!

In my opinion, Pochetinno threw the best chance we've had since 2003 of winning some real silverware. He has treated the travelling fans with disdain. He has treated the FA Cup with disdain.

Pochetinno has acted disgracefully.

I wish Southampton Football Club well in trying to sell cup tickets next season

Simon Carter, I wholeheartedly agree with your article.
Kelvin Davis ended the 2010/11 with 20 clean sheets, in a single season it's more than Peter Shilton managed.
I think you'll find that the great Peter Shilton was competing against top flight opposition, whereas Kelvin was not. Add to this the fact that both had different defences in front of them and the point you're trying to make doesn't really stack up. And let's be honest the two can't ever be compared, Shilton at that time was world class whereas Kelvin wasn't and isn't.
Arfer never claimed that Kelvin Davis was a better goalkeeper than Peter
Shilton. He only pointed out that he had more clean sheets.

Also, if you think that the quality of the defences in front of them is a factor, no comparison of the goalkeepers would be very valid, not even yours.
But he compared the their clean sheet records of both keepers, which I think you'll find is a direct performance comparison between the two. And of course it goes with out saying that the quality of opposition and each keepers defence are key factors when comparing clean sheet records. It's not exactly rocket science.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SWAYTHLING SAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheSaintsSoothsayer[/bold] wrote: Can't be bothered to read the essays above, noticeably from people who don't even live in the UK.! I guess they'd soon be on a plane over for a Wembley date!! Why doesn't Pochetinno do league or FA Cup interviews? I appreciate he never has done but answer me why not? Why didn't he start with a full, premier league side and when he was 2 or 3 nil up, take them off & rightly, play the fringe players? If we had lost the game at least we could have said "He put out his best team" We can't say that. Jos Hoiveld in 11 BPL games has never won Kelvin Davis in his whole Sunderland & Saints career has only ever kept 2 (Yes, TWO) clean sheets! In my opinion, Pochetinno threw the best chance we've had since 2003 of winning some real silverware. He has treated the travelling fans with disdain. He has treated the FA Cup with disdain. Pochetinno has acted disgracefully. I wish Southampton Football Club well in trying to sell cup tickets next season Simon Carter, I wholeheartedly agree with your article.[/p][/quote]Kelvin Davis ended the 2010/11 with 20 clean sheets, in a single season it's more than Peter Shilton managed.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find that the great Peter Shilton was competing against top flight opposition, whereas Kelvin was not. Add to this the fact that both had different defences in front of them and the point you're trying to make doesn't really stack up. And let's be honest the two can't ever be compared, Shilton at that time was world class whereas Kelvin wasn't and isn't.[/p][/quote]Arfer never claimed that Kelvin Davis was a better goalkeeper than Peter Shilton. He only pointed out that he had more clean sheets. Also, if you think that the quality of the defences in front of them is a factor, no comparison of the goalkeepers would be very valid, not even yours.[/p][/quote]But he compared the their clean sheet records of both keepers, which I think you'll find is a direct performance comparison between the two. And of course it goes with out saying that the quality of opposition and each keepers defence are key factors when comparing clean sheet records. It's not exactly rocket science. SWAYTHLING SAINT

8:23am Tue 18 Feb 14

Rising_Son says...

SWAYTHLING SAINT wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
SWAYTHLING SAINT wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
TheSaintsSoothsayer wrote:
Can't be bothered to read the essays above, noticeably from people who don't even live in the UK.! I guess they'd soon be on a plane over for a Wembley date!!

Why doesn't Pochetinno do league or FA Cup interviews? I appreciate he never has done but answer me why not?

Why didn't he start with a full, premier league side and when he was 2 or 3 nil up, take them off & rightly, play the fringe players? If we had lost the game at least we could have said "He put out his best team" We can't say that.
Jos Hoiveld in 11 BPL games has never won
Kelvin Davis in his whole Sunderland & Saints career has only ever kept 2 (Yes, TWO) clean sheets!

In my opinion, Pochetinno threw the best chance we've had since 2003 of winning some real silverware. He has treated the travelling fans with disdain. He has treated the FA Cup with disdain.

Pochetinno has acted disgracefully.

I wish Southampton Football Club well in trying to sell cup tickets next season

Simon Carter, I wholeheartedly agree with your article.
Kelvin Davis ended the 2010/11 with 20 clean sheets, in a single season it's more than Peter Shilton managed.
I think you'll find that the great Peter Shilton was competing against top flight opposition, whereas Kelvin was not. Add to this the fact that both had different defences in front of them and the point you're trying to make doesn't really stack up. And let's be honest the two can't ever be compared, Shilton at that time was world class whereas Kelvin wasn't and isn't.
Arfer never claimed that Kelvin Davis was a better goalkeeper than Peter
Shilton. He only pointed out that he had more clean sheets.

Also, if you think that the quality of the defences in front of them is a factor, no comparison of the goalkeepers would be very valid, not even yours.
But he compared the their clean sheet records of both keepers, which I think you'll find is a direct performance comparison between the two. And of course it goes with out saying that the quality of opposition and each keepers defence are key factors when comparing clean sheet records. It's not exactly rocket science.
I have scored more goals in my humble footballing career than Jack Cork has at Saints, but I would choose him to play any day of the week rather than me. Why? Because a comparison of records is not necessarily a comparison of ability. It certainly isn't rocket science. I'm amazed that you don't seem to get it, given the simplicity of the principle involved.
[quote][p][bold]SWAYTHLING SAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SWAYTHLING SAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheSaintsSoothsayer[/bold] wrote: Can't be bothered to read the essays above, noticeably from people who don't even live in the UK.! I guess they'd soon be on a plane over for a Wembley date!! Why doesn't Pochetinno do league or FA Cup interviews? I appreciate he never has done but answer me why not? Why didn't he start with a full, premier league side and when he was 2 or 3 nil up, take them off & rightly, play the fringe players? If we had lost the game at least we could have said "He put out his best team" We can't say that. Jos Hoiveld in 11 BPL games has never won Kelvin Davis in his whole Sunderland & Saints career has only ever kept 2 (Yes, TWO) clean sheets! In my opinion, Pochetinno threw the best chance we've had since 2003 of winning some real silverware. He has treated the travelling fans with disdain. He has treated the FA Cup with disdain. Pochetinno has acted disgracefully. I wish Southampton Football Club well in trying to sell cup tickets next season Simon Carter, I wholeheartedly agree with your article.[/p][/quote]Kelvin Davis ended the 2010/11 with 20 clean sheets, in a single season it's more than Peter Shilton managed.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find that the great Peter Shilton was competing against top flight opposition, whereas Kelvin was not. Add to this the fact that both had different defences in front of them and the point you're trying to make doesn't really stack up. And let's be honest the two can't ever be compared, Shilton at that time was world class whereas Kelvin wasn't and isn't.[/p][/quote]Arfer never claimed that Kelvin Davis was a better goalkeeper than Peter Shilton. He only pointed out that he had more clean sheets. Also, if you think that the quality of the defences in front of them is a factor, no comparison of the goalkeepers would be very valid, not even yours.[/p][/quote]But he compared the their clean sheet records of both keepers, which I think you'll find is a direct performance comparison between the two. And of course it goes with out saying that the quality of opposition and each keepers defence are key factors when comparing clean sheet records. It's not exactly rocket science.[/p][/quote]I have scored more goals in my humble footballing career than Jack Cork has at Saints, but I would choose him to play any day of the week rather than me. Why? Because a comparison of records is not necessarily a comparison of ability. It certainly isn't rocket science. I'm amazed that you don't seem to get it, given the simplicity of the principle involved. Rising_Son

8:36am Tue 18 Feb 14

SWAYTHLING SAINT says...

Rising_Son wrote:
SWAYTHLING SAINT wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
SWAYTHLING SAINT wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
TheSaintsSoothsayer wrote:
Can't be bothered to read the essays above, noticeably from people who don't even live in the UK.! I guess they'd soon be on a plane over for a Wembley date!!

Why doesn't Pochetinno do league or FA Cup interviews? I appreciate he never has done but answer me why not?

Why didn't he start with a full, premier league side and when he was 2 or 3 nil up, take them off & rightly, play the fringe players? If we had lost the game at least we could have said "He put out his best team" We can't say that.
Jos Hoiveld in 11 BPL games has never won
Kelvin Davis in his whole Sunderland & Saints career has only ever kept 2 (Yes, TWO) clean sheets!

In my opinion, Pochetinno threw the best chance we've had since 2003 of winning some real silverware. He has treated the travelling fans with disdain. He has treated the FA Cup with disdain.

Pochetinno has acted disgracefully.

I wish Southampton Football Club well in trying to sell cup tickets next season

Simon Carter, I wholeheartedly agree with your article.
Kelvin Davis ended the 2010/11 with 20 clean sheets, in a single season it's more than Peter Shilton managed.
I think you'll find that the great Peter Shilton was competing against top flight opposition, whereas Kelvin was not. Add to this the fact that both had different defences in front of them and the point you're trying to make doesn't really stack up. And let's be honest the two can't ever be compared, Shilton at that time was world class whereas Kelvin wasn't and isn't.
Arfer never claimed that Kelvin Davis was a better goalkeeper than Peter
Shilton. He only pointed out that he had more clean sheets.

Also, if you think that the quality of the defences in front of them is a factor, no comparison of the goalkeepers would be very valid, not even yours.
But he compared the their clean sheet records of both keepers, which I think you'll find is a direct performance comparison between the two. And of course it goes with out saying that the quality of opposition and each keepers defence are key factors when comparing clean sheet records. It's not exactly rocket science.
I have scored more goals in my humble footballing career than Jack Cork has at Saints, but I would choose him to play any day of the week rather than me. Why? Because a comparison of records is not necessarily a comparison of ability. It certainly isn't rocket science. I'm amazed that you don't seem to get it, given the simplicity of the principle involved.
I throw in the towel on this one. I know, you’re of course correct. On closer inspection it turns out that at 11:05 pm on Monday, arfer never compared the clean sheet record feat of Davis COMPARED to what Shilton was able to achieve. It was all a figment of my imagination and the said message can not be found on this thread. You could indeed draw a COMPARISON between my aberration and Pam dreaming an entire season of Dallas.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SWAYTHLING SAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SWAYTHLING SAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheSaintsSoothsayer[/bold] wrote: Can't be bothered to read the essays above, noticeably from people who don't even live in the UK.! I guess they'd soon be on a plane over for a Wembley date!! Why doesn't Pochetinno do league or FA Cup interviews? I appreciate he never has done but answer me why not? Why didn't he start with a full, premier league side and when he was 2 or 3 nil up, take them off & rightly, play the fringe players? If we had lost the game at least we could have said "He put out his best team" We can't say that. Jos Hoiveld in 11 BPL games has never won Kelvin Davis in his whole Sunderland & Saints career has only ever kept 2 (Yes, TWO) clean sheets! In my opinion, Pochetinno threw the best chance we've had since 2003 of winning some real silverware. He has treated the travelling fans with disdain. He has treated the FA Cup with disdain. Pochetinno has acted disgracefully. I wish Southampton Football Club well in trying to sell cup tickets next season Simon Carter, I wholeheartedly agree with your article.[/p][/quote]Kelvin Davis ended the 2010/11 with 20 clean sheets, in a single season it's more than Peter Shilton managed.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find that the great Peter Shilton was competing against top flight opposition, whereas Kelvin was not. Add to this the fact that both had different defences in front of them and the point you're trying to make doesn't really stack up. And let's be honest the two can't ever be compared, Shilton at that time was world class whereas Kelvin wasn't and isn't.[/p][/quote]Arfer never claimed that Kelvin Davis was a better goalkeeper than Peter Shilton. He only pointed out that he had more clean sheets. Also, if you think that the quality of the defences in front of them is a factor, no comparison of the goalkeepers would be very valid, not even yours.[/p][/quote]But he compared the their clean sheet records of both keepers, which I think you'll find is a direct performance comparison between the two. And of course it goes with out saying that the quality of opposition and each keepers defence are key factors when comparing clean sheet records. It's not exactly rocket science.[/p][/quote]I have scored more goals in my humble footballing career than Jack Cork has at Saints, but I would choose him to play any day of the week rather than me. Why? Because a comparison of records is not necessarily a comparison of ability. It certainly isn't rocket science. I'm amazed that you don't seem to get it, given the simplicity of the principle involved.[/p][/quote]I throw in the towel on this one. I know, you’re of course correct. On closer inspection it turns out that at 11:05 pm on Monday, arfer never compared the clean sheet record feat of Davis COMPARED to what Shilton was able to achieve. It was all a figment of my imagination and the said message can not be found on this thread. You could indeed draw a COMPARISON between my aberration and Pam dreaming an entire season of Dallas. SWAYTHLING SAINT

9:43am Tue 18 Feb 14

jls217 says...

justaSaintsfan wrote:
Perhaps Saints players had an off day. Maybe Sunderland were just the better team on the day. All teams have days when they don't take their goal chances and lose or draw games. We should consider Saints' performances over the whole season, not just one game. It has been a good season so far and good progress has been made compared to last season. Some players have been bought in and have improved the squad. Some academy youngsters have come into the squad and improved their game, thus improving the quality in the squad. There are also some more established Saints players, who are in only their second season of playing at Premiership level and they, too, are still learning and improving.

All in all, Saints are these days an improving work in progress, so we fans should progress with them and stay confident in the progress being made. Some people might ask what progress that is. They need only look back to when Markus Liebherr bought Saints. Progress has been remarkable since that time, with Saints being better each season than the previous one. Saints now have a squad that includes many players who play for their national teams, THREE of whom have played for England this season. There are also players in the squad who are close to being called into the England squad.


I have been a Saints fan for many, many years and can easily confirm that there has never been a better time to be optimistic. I'm looking forward to the next match, the rest of this season and seasons to come. Last Saturday's game against Sunderland wasn't the end of the world. I'm sure the players did the best they could on the day. They only lost 1-0 and Sunderland weren't all that good either! Sunderland had their previous midweek game called off, which meant that ALL their players had not played in midweek, compared to only half our team. That probably contributed to Saints play not quite being up to its more usual, higher standard. Even the best teams in the world lose games like that!

So let us look forward to better things to come from Saints. Maybe they will win the FA Cup next season! It should be yet another season of improvement! COYR!!!
Gets my vote.
[quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: Perhaps Saints players had an off day. Maybe Sunderland were just the better team on the day. All teams have days when they don't take their goal chances and lose or draw games. We should consider Saints' performances over the whole season, not just one game. It has been a good season so far and good progress has been made compared to last season. Some players have been bought in and have improved the squad. Some academy youngsters have come into the squad and improved their game, thus improving the quality in the squad. There are also some more established Saints players, who are in only their second season of playing at Premiership level and they, too, are still learning and improving. All in all, Saints are these days an improving work in progress, so we fans should progress with them and stay confident in the progress being made. Some people might ask what progress that is. They need only look back to when Markus Liebherr bought Saints. Progress has been remarkable since that time, with Saints being better each season than the previous one. Saints now have a squad that includes many players who play for their national teams, THREE of whom have played for England this season. There are also players in the squad who are close to being called into the England squad. I have been a Saints fan for many, many years and can easily confirm that there has never been a better time to be optimistic. I'm looking forward to the next match, the rest of this season and seasons to come. Last Saturday's game against Sunderland wasn't the end of the world. I'm sure the players did the best they could on the day. They only lost 1-0 and Sunderland weren't all that good either! Sunderland had their previous midweek game called off, which meant that ALL their players had not played in midweek, compared to only half our team. That probably contributed to Saints play not quite being up to its more usual, higher standard. Even the best teams in the world lose games like that! So let us look forward to better things to come from Saints. Maybe they will win the FA Cup next season! It should be yet another season of improvement! COYR!!![/p][/quote]Gets my vote. jls217

9:52am Tue 18 Feb 14

jls217 says...

Can't quite fathom why people who live abroad and still follow Saints are having fingers pointed at them. I was in the Army and went wherever Her Royal Maj wanted me to be even if I did have a ticket for that Saturday's game. Didn't make me less avid as a fan. I had no real choice but to pack up and go. Others here have had to go to feed their families/promote their business/fulfill a contract etc etc etc. Picking on the wrong people. I really missed my regular fix of the Dell or the MOTD (no computors or worldwide TV games in those days and sometimes didn't get to hear any scores till midweek - depending how far into the hinterland we were sent. Did I stop having opinions all of a sudden? Nowadays with the benefit of modern communications those abroad can from their opinions and offer them as easily as if they were living in Romsey. Bottom line - stop being so bloody stupid!
Can't quite fathom why people who live abroad and still follow Saints are having fingers pointed at them. I was in the Army and went wherever Her Royal Maj wanted me to be even if I did have a ticket for that Saturday's game. Didn't make me less avid as a fan. I had no real choice but to pack up and go. Others here have had to go to feed their families/promote their business/fulfill a contract etc etc etc. Picking on the wrong people. I really missed my regular fix of the Dell or the MOTD (no computors or worldwide TV games in those days and sometimes didn't get to hear any scores till midweek - depending how far into the hinterland we were sent. Did I stop having opinions all of a sudden? Nowadays with the benefit of modern communications those abroad can from their opinions and offer them as easily as if they were living in Romsey. Bottom line - stop being so bloody stupid! jls217

9:59am Tue 18 Feb 14

Clever Dick says...

FindAndDestroy wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
SFCOLDBOY wrote:
FindAndDestroy wrote:
BAD NEWS FLASH!!!!!

http://www1.skysport




s.com/football/news/




11095/9171385/premie




r-league-mark-clatte




nburg-to-officiate-s




outhampton-game-at-w




est-ham

Why?????????
I wont be at the match but I hope to be listening to the most p1ss taking ever, by our fans at Wet Spam.
This crazy decision to appoint Clutterbrain will be the best thing to unite our support with our team and management after Saturday's debacle.
Wind in to him lads and lasses, remember it don't matter if he makes us lose, we wont get relegated and after all we aint allowed to try to get a Europa spot.
So enjoy yourselves,whatever happens,
COYS

P.S. Strassie,

If you read this----- I understand you will be there, have a good moan at the "REF" for my lot too.
Yes please .come on you travelling Saints fans. Let him know what we think of him. Humiliate, humiliate and humiliate again.
You don't know what you're doing
Who's the w-anker in the black
You've got a Clutter brain.
You never used to be like this when you knew how to referee.
I'm really looking forward to match choice win, lose or draw.
Non stop abuse from beginning to end might finally wake somebody at the fa up.
My Mates Tom Doug and I Are thinking of banner to show Mark Clattenburg how we feel about him....

If you have any sweet ideas what to try on the banner please let me know...
Well I'd like to help out but you will get thrown out of the ground before you get in if you put into words what I think of that plonker.
[quote][p][bold]FindAndDestroy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SFCOLDBOY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FindAndDestroy[/bold] wrote: BAD NEWS FLASH!!!!! http://www1.skysport s.com/football/news/ 11095/9171385/premie r-league-mark-clatte nburg-to-officiate-s outhampton-game-at-w est-ham Why?????????[/p][/quote]I wont be at the match but I hope to be listening to the most p1ss taking ever, by our fans at Wet Spam. This crazy decision to appoint Clutterbrain will be the best thing to unite our support with our team and management after Saturday's debacle. Wind in to him lads and lasses, remember it don't matter if he makes us lose, we wont get relegated and after all we aint allowed to try to get a Europa spot. So enjoy yourselves,whatever happens, COYS P.S. Strassie, If you read this----- I understand you will be there, have a good moan at the "REF" for my lot too.[/p][/quote]Yes please .come on you travelling Saints fans. Let him know what we think of him. Humiliate, humiliate and humiliate again. You don't know what you're doing Who's the w-anker in the black You've got a Clutter brain. You never used to be like this when you knew how to referee. I'm really looking forward to match choice win, lose or draw. Non stop abuse from beginning to end might finally wake somebody at the fa up.[/p][/quote]My Mates Tom Doug and I Are thinking of banner to show Mark Clattenburg how we feel about him.... If you have any sweet ideas what to try on the banner please let me know...[/p][/quote]Well I'd like to help out but you will get thrown out of the ground before you get in if you put into words what I think of that plonker. Clever Dick

10:00am Tue 18 Feb 14

jls217 says...

A couple of months ago I read in one of the papers the depth of planning that Poch and NC put into the running of the club and one of the quotes was one of 'em explaining that they didn't want to blunder into a situation, like some clubs had had to, and be forced into making a snap decision about buying a player. They had players lined up who they wanted to replace any of the squad so there would be no surprises or panic buys.

With this in mind the only positive to come from the mess of the FA cup humiliation is that now they can blood all the youngsters lined up and decide which ones are going to make the grade even if only to the bench and those for whom the step is too great this year and need another year to develop or maybe are just never going to make the grade. This means leading up to the end of the season the management team can take a good look at the calibre of players for those problem positions that are coming to the end of their contracts/are likely to be avail for loan(not my favourite option)/or on the transfer list/are unhappy with their current club and then try to bring them in for as little or even nothing.

Cup has to be half full at all times as a Saints fan and right now that cup is flowing over - just enjoy the ride.
A couple of months ago I read in one of the papers the depth of planning that Poch and NC put into the running of the club and one of the quotes was one of 'em explaining that they didn't want to blunder into a situation, like some clubs had had to, and be forced into making a snap decision about buying a player. They had players lined up who they wanted to replace any of the squad so there would be no surprises or panic buys. With this in mind the only positive to come from the mess of the FA cup humiliation is that now they can blood all the youngsters lined up and decide which ones are going to make the grade even if only to the bench and those for whom the step is too great this year and need another year to develop or maybe are just never going to make the grade. This means leading up to the end of the season the management team can take a good look at the calibre of players for those problem positions that are coming to the end of their contracts/are likely to be avail for loan(not my favourite option)/or on the transfer list/are unhappy with their current club and then try to bring them in for as little or even nothing. Cup has to be half full at all times as a Saints fan and right now that cup is flowing over - just enjoy the ride. jls217

11:41am Tue 18 Feb 14

SaintJD says...

St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
REDARMYRULETHESOUTH wrote:
LeTissLeGod wrote:
WHY BOTHER TO BUY AN FA & LEAGUE CUP TICKET NEXT SEASON ????????????????????





????????????????????





??????????????
UNLESS THERE IS A CHANGE IN POLICY OR STATEMENT OF INTENT FROM THE CLUB ...

SUPPORTERS WILL NOT BUY TICKETS FOR THE LEAGUE CUP AND FA CUP.

EMPTY GROUNDS WILL BE THE FUTURE AND NO MORE TRAVELLING TO AWAY GAMES.

It is true that with correct Team Selection and Effort - we could be in Sunderland's place in the League Cup Final and setting up for a thrilling Quarter Final Place with an eye on WEMBLEY in the Semis.

DISAPPOINTED AND P*SSED OFF - LOTS OF FANS ARE.

WE NOW FOCUS ON THE WET SPAM GAME AND GETTING THE WIN AGAINST AN AGRICULTURAL 19TH CENTURY TEAM OF HOOFERS.

WHO ARE WE ? - WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON - WE'RE OFF TO BRAZIL.

COYR
Pathetic, we are Southampton, lets boycott our own club! Thanks moron, but don't speak for me. I'll happily buy a ticket for any competition that my club is in and I'll support them. If they lose, I won't demand the right to pick the team. I support the team, the manager and all that they are trying to achieve. I accept that there are games you win and games you lose...that's the nature of any sporting competition.
That's seriously disrespectful mate. All the guy said is that fans should not be expected to travel to Sunderland during a week or appalling weather in the middle of winter, having shelled out a significant amount of money in a recession to be told that the game wasn't really a priority and that some of the players were a little tired from Tuesday.

This is rubbish. All we expect is to give an important cup game a good go. If the players and management had gone out and battled as if their lives depended on it, no problem, but how can you possibly prioritise league games against West Ham or Hull ahead of a chance of a trophy and European football? That's madness and entirely at odds with what football is all about surely.

As for the idea that nobody cares about cup competitions anymore, tell that to all the people who didn't get a ticket for the Johnston's Paint Final a couple of years ago.

I phoned up from the first second they went on sale, literally redialling for an hour and even then only got crap tickets on the upper tier.

It was a competition that, though clearly small, kick started our momentum to the Premier League.

I'm quite happy for other clubs to disrespect the cup as much as they want (gives us a better chance of winning), but I don't think we should ever give it any less than 100%, particularly in the league cup. There is no excuse.
Why should I respect someone who calls on supporters to boycott their own team. Where is his mandate to speak for fans? No-one forces you to buy a ticket for any match, you do it by choice. If Lambert and Lallana had taken their chances and we'd won, then none of these idiots would be carping on. Fact is we lost, our players didn't perform, it's happened so move on. Too much emotive nonsense being spouted and idiots trying to blame team selection, when the eleven premiership players simply didn't perform! So again, before I look to blame the manager I'll ask why was Kelvin's handling and distribution so poor? Why were Clyne and Shaw so lacking in quality? Why did Wanyama, Davis and JWP not boss the midfield? Why was Lallana so ineffectual? How did Lambert miss an open goal from three yards? These are all questions being asked of Premiership quality players who, collectively, on the day were very poor. That is why we lost this game.
That's funny. Surely you've just mentioned four of the five players we swapped out on Saturday. And in terms of the questions, I'll give you a simple answer as to why they didn't perform - too many changes. As soon as the first choice players saw that team sheet I'm sure they went from feeling confident to thinking things may be a little tough - not a good way to set up for a crunch cup tie, especially when the coaching staff have virtually told them they should be feeling fatigued following a second game in a week..
[quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]REDARMYRULETHESOUTH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeTissLeGod[/bold] wrote: WHY BOTHER TO BUY AN FA & LEAGUE CUP TICKET NEXT SEASON ???????????????????? ???????????????????? ??????????????[/p][/quote]UNLESS THERE IS A CHANGE IN POLICY OR STATEMENT OF INTENT FROM THE CLUB ... SUPPORTERS WILL NOT BUY TICKETS FOR THE LEAGUE CUP AND FA CUP. EMPTY GROUNDS WILL BE THE FUTURE AND NO MORE TRAVELLING TO AWAY GAMES. It is true that with correct Team Selection and Effort - we could be in Sunderland's place in the League Cup Final and setting up for a thrilling Quarter Final Place with an eye on WEMBLEY in the Semis. DISAPPOINTED AND P*SSED OFF - LOTS OF FANS ARE. WE NOW FOCUS ON THE WET SPAM GAME AND GETTING THE WIN AGAINST AN AGRICULTURAL 19TH CENTURY TEAM OF HOOFERS. WHO ARE WE ? - WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON - WE'RE OFF TO BRAZIL. COYR[/p][/quote]Pathetic, we are Southampton, lets boycott our own club! Thanks moron, but don't speak for me. I'll happily buy a ticket for any competition that my club is in and I'll support them. If they lose, I won't demand the right to pick the team. I support the team, the manager and all that they are trying to achieve. I accept that there are games you win and games you lose...that's the nature of any sporting competition.[/p][/quote]That's seriously disrespectful mate. All the guy said is that fans should not be expected to travel to Sunderland during a week or appalling weather in the middle of winter, having shelled out a significant amount of money in a recession to be told that the game wasn't really a priority and that some of the players were a little tired from Tuesday. This is rubbish. All we expect is to give an important cup game a good go. If the players and management had gone out and battled as if their lives depended on it, no problem, but how can you possibly prioritise league games against West Ham or Hull ahead of a chance of a trophy and European football? That's madness and entirely at odds with what football is all about surely. As for the idea that nobody cares about cup competitions anymore, tell that to all the people who didn't get a ticket for the Johnston's Paint Final a couple of years ago. I phoned up from the first second they went on sale, literally redialling for an hour and even then only got crap tickets on the upper tier. It was a competition that, though clearly small, kick started our momentum to the Premier League. I'm quite happy for other clubs to disrespect the cup as much as they want (gives us a better chance of winning), but I don't think we should ever give it any less than 100%, particularly in the league cup. There is no excuse.[/p][/quote]Why should I respect someone who calls on supporters to boycott their own team. Where is his mandate to speak for fans? No-one forces you to buy a ticket for any match, you do it by choice. If Lambert and Lallana had taken their chances and we'd won, then none of these idiots would be carping on. Fact is we lost, our players didn't perform, it's happened so move on. Too much emotive nonsense being spouted and idiots trying to blame team selection, when the eleven premiership players simply didn't perform! So again, before I look to blame the manager I'll ask why was Kelvin's handling and distribution so poor? Why were Clyne and Shaw so lacking in quality? Why did Wanyama, Davis and JWP not boss the midfield? Why was Lallana so ineffectual? How did Lambert miss an open goal from three yards? These are all questions being asked of Premiership quality players who, collectively, on the day were very poor. That is why we lost this game.[/p][/quote]That's funny. Surely you've just mentioned four of the five players we swapped out on Saturday. And in terms of the questions, I'll give you a simple answer as to why they didn't perform - too many changes. As soon as the first choice players saw that team sheet I'm sure they went from feeling confident to thinking things may be a little tough - not a good way to set up for a crunch cup tie, especially when the coaching staff have virtually told them they should be feeling fatigued following a second game in a week.. SaintJD

11:51am Tue 18 Feb 14

SaintJD says...

Velleity wrote:
Wenger made eight changes for yesterday's game against Liverpool. He was clearly trying to throw the match.... oh, hang on.
That point would be valid if it weren't for the huge void between their squad and ours. Although I'm sure if Arsenal had played Guly instead of Oxlade Chamberlain they probably would have won by four or five.

It's validity is knocked even more by the fact that Arsenal are challenging for the league, played Man Utd on Wednesday and play Bayern Munich in midweek. We play nobody until next Saturday.

Clearly teams such as Chelsea, Man City and Arsenal have world-class players on the bench who need to be kept happy.

As mentioned, if we had young kids who needed a game, fine, but at least two, possibly three of the players we brought in for the Sunderland game should really be players we'd look to say thanks and goodbye to this summer if we really do have aspirations of European football.
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: Wenger made eight changes for yesterday's game against Liverpool. He was clearly trying to throw the match.... oh, hang on.[/p][/quote]That point would be valid if it weren't for the huge void between their squad and ours. Although I'm sure if Arsenal had played Guly instead of Oxlade Chamberlain they probably would have won by four or five. It's validity is knocked even more by the fact that Arsenal are challenging for the league, played Man Utd on Wednesday and play Bayern Munich in midweek. We play nobody until next Saturday. Clearly teams such as Chelsea, Man City and Arsenal have world-class players on the bench who need to be kept happy. As mentioned, if we had young kids who needed a game, fine, but at least two, possibly three of the players we brought in for the Sunderland game should really be players we'd look to say thanks and goodbye to this summer if we really do have aspirations of European football. SaintJD

11:55am Tue 18 Feb 14

SaintJD says...

TheSaintsSoothsayer wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
TheSaintsSoothsayer wrote:
Ontario Saint wrote:
What is the Echo trying to do? It comes across to me that the Echo is the spokesperson for the Saints fans which mos definitely they are not.
I am sure if I was Poch , it would make me very unwelcome as the Saints Manager . As such it could prove instrumental to the best Manager the Saints have ever had l leaving the Club at the end of the season.

The guy made a genuine mistake knowing the players had travelled to the North East TWICE within 3 days....they were probably suffering from fatigue.

The Ech is far far too sensational in writing GARBAGE like this and they have absolutely no right to speak for the Fans who have been delighted by what Poch has done for the Club.

Lets get behind him for the rest of the season . If Man U think they can get into the top 4 , then why should Saints not go for it too as we are only 3 ponts behind them?
Sorry but this post is a load of garbage, not the article and funnily enough from someone who doesn't even live in the UK.

Before you feel too bad for the professional players of Saints, on a fortune weekly, who played at Hull & Sunderland, just reflect that they flew up the night before, rested overnight in a plush hotel. Played the games and flew back.. In each case the travelling fans had 12 hours, at least, on a coach!!

They have every right to complain about that GARBAGE served up on Saturday.

The message Pochetinno has given out, and it seems you've swallowed it, is I'm happy to fight for midtable mediocrity, I'm not bothered about your famed FA Cup.

FA Cup winners are remembered - Clubs finishing in mid-table are not. As far as I'm concerned, and I'm a season ticket holder, my season ends here. Why should I spend my hard earned supporting a club that doesn't give a fook? Why should I. Supported Saints for many, many years and never seen fans treated so shabbily.
Do people who don't live in the UK not count then?
Are these fans who spend thousands of pounds to come over here to watch games, or who get up at silly o'clock to watch games on tv every week not entitled to an opinion?
What have you got against fans who live abroad?
Most come from Southampton and moved for work/family reasons so do they lose their right to be fans because they moved away?
What I have 'against' people not in the UK posting is that you get a totally different view, literally, of a game you watch on TV especially if it's FOX. When you're at a game, and see the complete picture, and not just the picture the TV companies want you to see, you can have very different opinions on what the game was actually like. Sometimes you guys from overseas, as marvelous as it is that you get up at "silly o'clock", get the wrong picture and I have to say right now it just irks me - OK. That's where we fans who go will educate you.
I knew someone would find a way of blaming Fox for this defeat.
[quote][p][bold]TheSaintsSoothsayer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheSaintsSoothsayer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ontario Saint[/bold] wrote: What is the Echo trying to do? It comes across to me that the Echo is the spokesperson for the Saints fans which mos definitely they are not. I am sure if I was Poch , it would make me very unwelcome as the Saints Manager . As such it could prove instrumental to the best Manager the Saints have ever had l leaving the Club at the end of the season. The guy made a genuine mistake knowing the players had travelled to the North East TWICE within 3 days....they were probably suffering from fatigue. The Ech is far far too sensational in writing GARBAGE like this and they have absolutely no right to speak for the Fans who have been delighted by what Poch has done for the Club. Lets get behind him for the rest of the season . If Man U think they can get into the top 4 , then why should Saints not go for it too as we are only 3 ponts behind them?[/p][/quote]Sorry but this post is a load of garbage, not the article and funnily enough from someone who doesn't even live in the UK. Before you feel too bad for the professional players of Saints, on a fortune weekly, who played at Hull & Sunderland, just reflect that they flew up the night before, rested overnight in a plush hotel. Played the games and flew back.. In each case the travelling fans had 12 hours, at least, on a coach!! They have every right to complain about that GARBAGE served up on Saturday. The message Pochetinno has given out, and it seems you've swallowed it, is I'm happy to fight for midtable mediocrity, I'm not bothered about your famed FA Cup. FA Cup winners are remembered - Clubs finishing in mid-table are not. As far as I'm concerned, and I'm a season ticket holder, my season ends here. Why should I spend my hard earned supporting a club that doesn't give a fook? Why should I. Supported Saints for many, many years and never seen fans treated so shabbily.[/p][/quote]Do people who don't live in the UK not count then? Are these fans who spend thousands of pounds to come over here to watch games, or who get up at silly o'clock to watch games on tv every week not entitled to an opinion? What have you got against fans who live abroad? Most come from Southampton and moved for work/family reasons so do they lose their right to be fans because they moved away?[/p][/quote]What I have 'against' people not in the UK posting is that you get a totally different view, literally, of a game you watch on TV especially if it's FOX. When you're at a game, and see the complete picture, and not just the picture the TV companies want you to see, you can have very different opinions on what the game was actually like. Sometimes you guys from overseas, as marvelous as it is that you get up at "silly o'clock", get the wrong picture and I have to say right now it just irks me - OK. That's where we fans who go will educate you.[/p][/quote]I knew someone would find a way of blaming Fox for this defeat. SaintJD

1:07pm Tue 18 Feb 14

arfer phesache says...

SWAYTHLING SAINT wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
TheSaintsSoothsayer wrote:
Can't be bothered to read the essays above, noticeably from people who don't even live in the UK.! I guess they'd soon be on a plane over for a Wembley date!!

Why doesn't Pochetinno do league or FA Cup interviews? I appreciate he never has done but answer me why not?

Why didn't he start with a full, premier league side and when he was 2 or 3 nil up, take them off & rightly, play the fringe players? If we had lost the game at least we could have said "He put out his best team" We can't say that.
Jos Hoiveld in 11 BPL games has never won
Kelvin Davis in his whole Sunderland & Saints career has only ever kept 2 (Yes, TWO) clean sheets!

In my opinion, Pochetinno threw the best chance we've had since 2003 of winning some real silverware. He has treated the travelling fans with disdain. He has treated the FA Cup with disdain.

Pochetinno has acted disgracefully.

I wish Southampton Football Club well in trying to sell cup tickets next season

Simon Carter, I wholeheartedly agree with your article.
Kelvin Davis ended the 2010/11 with 20 clean sheets, in a single season it's more than Peter Shilton managed.
I think you'll find that the great Peter Shilton was competing against top flight opposition, whereas Kelvin was not. Add to this the fact that both had different defences in front of them and the point you're trying to make doesn't really stack up. And let's be honest the two can't ever be compared, Shilton at that time was world class whereas Kelvin wasn't and isn't.
Ok, disregard the Peter Shilton bit. Kelvin Davis ended the 2010/11season with 20 clean sheets, not 2, as was wrongly stated as fact by TheSaintsoothsayer.
[quote][p][bold]SWAYTHLING SAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheSaintsSoothsayer[/bold] wrote: Can't be bothered to read the essays above, noticeably from people who don't even live in the UK.! I guess they'd soon be on a plane over for a Wembley date!! Why doesn't Pochetinno do league or FA Cup interviews? I appreciate he never has done but answer me why not? Why didn't he start with a full, premier league side and when he was 2 or 3 nil up, take them off & rightly, play the fringe players? If we had lost the game at least we could have said "He put out his best team" We can't say that. Jos Hoiveld in 11 BPL games has never won Kelvin Davis in his whole Sunderland & Saints career has only ever kept 2 (Yes, TWO) clean sheets! In my opinion, Pochetinno threw the best chance we've had since 2003 of winning some real silverware. He has treated the travelling fans with disdain. He has treated the FA Cup with disdain. Pochetinno has acted disgracefully. I wish Southampton Football Club well in trying to sell cup tickets next season Simon Carter, I wholeheartedly agree with your article.[/p][/quote]Kelvin Davis ended the 2010/11 with 20 clean sheets, in a single season it's more than Peter Shilton managed.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find that the great Peter Shilton was competing against top flight opposition, whereas Kelvin was not. Add to this the fact that both had different defences in front of them and the point you're trying to make doesn't really stack up. And let's be honest the two can't ever be compared, Shilton at that time was world class whereas Kelvin wasn't and isn't.[/p][/quote]Ok, disregard the Peter Shilton bit. Kelvin Davis ended the 2010/11season with 20 clean sheets, not 2, as was wrongly stated as fact by TheSaintsoothsayer. arfer phesache

3:22pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Norwegian Saint says...

TheSaintsSoothsayer wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
TheSaintsSoothsayer wrote:
Ontario Saint wrote:
What is the Echo trying to do? It comes across to me that the Echo is the spokesperson for the Saints fans which mos definitely they are not.
I am sure if I was Poch , it would make me very unwelcome as the Saints Manager . As such it could prove instrumental to the best Manager the Saints have ever had l leaving the Club at the end of the season.

The guy made a genuine mistake knowing the players had travelled to the North East TWICE within 3 days....they were probably suffering from fatigue.

The Ech is far far too sensational in writing GARBAGE like this and they have absolutely no right to speak for the Fans who have been delighted by what Poch has done for the Club.

Lets get behind him for the rest of the season . If Man U think they can get into the top 4 , then why should Saints not go for it too as we are only 3 ponts behind them?
Sorry but this post is a load of garbage, not the article and funnily enough from someone who doesn't even live in the UK.

Before you feel too bad for the professional players of Saints, on a fortune weekly, who played at Hull & Sunderland, just reflect that they flew up the night before, rested overnight in a plush hotel. Played the games and flew back.. In each case the travelling fans had 12 hours, at least, on a coach!!

They have every right to complain about that GARBAGE served up on Saturday.

The message Pochetinno has given out, and it seems you've swallowed it, is I'm happy to fight for midtable mediocrity, I'm not bothered about your famed FA Cup.

FA Cup winners are remembered - Clubs finishing in mid-table are not. As far as I'm concerned, and I'm a season ticket holder, my season ends here. Why should I spend my hard earned supporting a club that doesn't give a fook? Why should I. Supported Saints for many, many years and never seen fans treated so shabbily.
Do people who don't live in the UK not count then?
Are these fans who spend thousands of pounds to come over here to watch games, or who get up at silly o'clock to watch games on tv every week not entitled to an opinion?
What have you got against fans who live abroad?
Most come from Southampton and moved for work/family reasons so do they lose their right to be fans because they moved away?
What I have 'against' people not in the UK posting is that you get a totally different view, literally, of a game you watch on TV especially if it's FOX. When you're at a game, and see the complete picture, and not just the picture the TV companies want you to see, you can have very different opinions on what the game was actually like. Sometimes you guys from overseas, as marvelous as it is that you get up at "silly o'clock", get the wrong picture and I have to say right now it just irks me - OK. That's where we fans who go will educate you.
Oh dear, oooh dear, ooooooh dear, what a mindless, embarrassing, pathetic quote from TheSaintsSoothsayer!

(Sent from ipad on my sofa overlooking a stunning fjord and snow topped mountains but wishing I could fly back each week to watch the boys home and away but unfortunately my lotto numbers haven't come in yet)
[quote][p][bold]TheSaintsSoothsayer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheSaintsSoothsayer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ontario Saint[/bold] wrote: What is the Echo trying to do? It comes across to me that the Echo is the spokesperson for the Saints fans which mos definitely they are not. I am sure if I was Poch , it would make me very unwelcome as the Saints Manager . As such it could prove instrumental to the best Manager the Saints have ever had l leaving the Club at the end of the season. The guy made a genuine mistake knowing the players had travelled to the North East TWICE within 3 days....they were probably suffering from fatigue. The Ech is far far too sensational in writing GARBAGE like this and they have absolutely no right to speak for the Fans who have been delighted by what Poch has done for the Club. Lets get behind him for the rest of the season . If Man U think they can get into the top 4 , then why should Saints not go for it too as we are only 3 ponts behind them?[/p][/quote]Sorry but this post is a load of garbage, not the article and funnily enough from someone who doesn't even live in the UK. Before you feel too bad for the professional players of Saints, on a fortune weekly, who played at Hull & Sunderland, just reflect that they flew up the night before, rested overnight in a plush hotel. Played the games and flew back.. In each case the travelling fans had 12 hours, at least, on a coach!! They have every right to complain about that GARBAGE served up on Saturday. The message Pochetinno has given out, and it seems you've swallowed it, is I'm happy to fight for midtable mediocrity, I'm not bothered about your famed FA Cup. FA Cup winners are remembered - Clubs finishing in mid-table are not. As far as I'm concerned, and I'm a season ticket holder, my season ends here. Why should I spend my hard earned supporting a club that doesn't give a fook? Why should I. Supported Saints for many, many years and never seen fans treated so shabbily.[/p][/quote]Do people who don't live in the UK not count then? Are these fans who spend thousands of pounds to come over here to watch games, or who get up at silly o'clock to watch games on tv every week not entitled to an opinion? What have you got against fans who live abroad? Most come from Southampton and moved for work/family reasons so do they lose their right to be fans because they moved away?[/p][/quote]What I have 'against' people not in the UK posting is that you get a totally different view, literally, of a game you watch on TV especially if it's FOX. When you're at a game, and see the complete picture, and not just the picture the TV companies want you to see, you can have very different opinions on what the game was actually like. Sometimes you guys from overseas, as marvelous as it is that you get up at "silly o'clock", get the wrong picture and I have to say right now it just irks me - OK. That's where we fans who go will educate you.[/p][/quote]Oh dear, oooh dear, ooooooh dear, what a mindless, embarrassing, pathetic quote from TheSaintsSoothsayer! (Sent from ipad on my sofa overlooking a stunning fjord and snow topped mountains but wishing I could fly back each week to watch the boys home and away but unfortunately my lotto numbers haven't come in yet) Norwegian Saint

11:57am Wed 19 Feb 14

SaintJD says...

arfer phesache wrote:
SWAYTHLING SAINT wrote:
arfer phesache wrote:
TheSaintsSoothsayer wrote:
Can't be bothered to read the essays above, noticeably from people who don't even live in the UK.! I guess they'd soon be on a plane over for a Wembley date!!

Why doesn't Pochetinno do league or FA Cup interviews? I appreciate he never has done but answer me why not?

Why didn't he start with a full, premier league side and when he was 2 or 3 nil up, take them off & rightly, play the fringe players? If we had lost the game at least we could have said "He put out his best team" We can't say that.
Jos Hoiveld in 11 BPL games has never won
Kelvin Davis in his whole Sunderland & Saints career has only ever kept 2 (Yes, TWO) clean sheets!

In my opinion, Pochetinno threw the best chance we've had since 2003 of winning some real silverware. He has treated the travelling fans with disdain. He has treated the FA Cup with disdain.

Pochetinno has acted disgracefully.

I wish Southampton Football Club well in trying to sell cup tickets next season

Simon Carter, I wholeheartedly agree with your article.
Kelvin Davis ended the 2010/11 with 20 clean sheets, in a single season it's more than Peter Shilton managed.
I think you'll find that the great Peter Shilton was competing against top flight opposition, whereas Kelvin was not. Add to this the fact that both had different defences in front of them and the point you're trying to make doesn't really stack up. And let's be honest the two can't ever be compared, Shilton at that time was world class whereas Kelvin wasn't and isn't.
Ok, disregard the Peter Shilton bit. Kelvin Davis ended the 2010/11season with 20 clean sheets, not 2, as was wrongly stated as fact by TheSaintsoothsayer.
Could be wrong but he might be talking Premier League appearances, which would likely be more accurate as he hasn't got that many appearances under his belt.
[quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SWAYTHLING SAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheSaintsSoothsayer[/bold] wrote: Can't be bothered to read the essays above, noticeably from people who don't even live in the UK.! I guess they'd soon be on a plane over for a Wembley date!! Why doesn't Pochetinno do league or FA Cup interviews? I appreciate he never has done but answer me why not? Why didn't he start with a full, premier league side and when he was 2 or 3 nil up, take them off & rightly, play the fringe players? If we had lost the game at least we could have said "He put out his best team" We can't say that. Jos Hoiveld in 11 BPL games has never won Kelvin Davis in his whole Sunderland & Saints career has only ever kept 2 (Yes, TWO) clean sheets! In my opinion, Pochetinno threw the best chance we've had since 2003 of winning some real silverware. He has treated the travelling fans with disdain. He has treated the FA Cup with disdain. Pochetinno has acted disgracefully. I wish Southampton Football Club well in trying to sell cup tickets next season Simon Carter, I wholeheartedly agree with your article.[/p][/quote]Kelvin Davis ended the 2010/11 with 20 clean sheets, in a single season it's more than Peter Shilton managed.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find that the great Peter Shilton was competing against top flight opposition, whereas Kelvin was not. Add to this the fact that both had different defences in front of them and the point you're trying to make doesn't really stack up. And let's be honest the two can't ever be compared, Shilton at that time was world class whereas Kelvin wasn't and isn't.[/p][/quote]Ok, disregard the Peter Shilton bit. Kelvin Davis ended the 2010/11season with 20 clean sheets, not 2, as was wrongly stated as fact by TheSaintsoothsayer.[/p][/quote]Could be wrong but he might be talking Premier League appearances, which would likely be more accurate as he hasn't got that many appearances under his belt. SaintJD

3:39pm Wed 19 Feb 14

St.Winch70 says...

SaintJD wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
REDARMYRULETHESOUTH wrote:
LeTissLeGod wrote:
WHY BOTHER TO BUY AN FA & LEAGUE CUP TICKET NEXT SEASON ????????????????????






????????????????????






??????????????
UNLESS THERE IS A CHANGE IN POLICY OR STATEMENT OF INTENT FROM THE CLUB ...

SUPPORTERS WILL NOT BUY TICKETS FOR THE LEAGUE CUP AND FA CUP.

EMPTY GROUNDS WILL BE THE FUTURE AND NO MORE TRAVELLING TO AWAY GAMES.

It is true that with correct Team Selection and Effort - we could be in Sunderland's place in the League Cup Final and setting up for a thrilling Quarter Final Place with an eye on WEMBLEY in the Semis.

DISAPPOINTED AND P*SSED OFF - LOTS OF FANS ARE.

WE NOW FOCUS ON THE WET SPAM GAME AND GETTING THE WIN AGAINST AN AGRICULTURAL 19TH CENTURY TEAM OF HOOFERS.

WHO ARE WE ? - WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON - WE'RE OFF TO BRAZIL.

COYR
Pathetic, we are Southampton, lets boycott our own club! Thanks moron, but don't speak for me. I'll happily buy a ticket for any competition that my club is in and I'll support them. If they lose, I won't demand the right to pick the team. I support the team, the manager and all that they are trying to achieve. I accept that there are games you win and games you lose...that's the nature of any sporting competition.
That's seriously disrespectful mate. All the guy said is that fans should not be expected to travel to Sunderland during a week or appalling weather in the middle of winter, having shelled out a significant amount of money in a recession to be told that the game wasn't really a priority and that some of the players were a little tired from Tuesday.

This is rubbish. All we expect is to give an important cup game a good go. If the players and management had gone out and battled as if their lives depended on it, no problem, but how can you possibly prioritise league games against West Ham or Hull ahead of a chance of a trophy and European football? That's madness and entirely at odds with what football is all about surely.

As for the idea that nobody cares about cup competitions anymore, tell that to all the people who didn't get a ticket for the Johnston's Paint Final a couple of years ago.

I phoned up from the first second they went on sale, literally redialling for an hour and even then only got crap tickets on the upper tier.

It was a competition that, though clearly small, kick started our momentum to the Premier League.

I'm quite happy for other clubs to disrespect the cup as much as they want (gives us a better chance of winning), but I don't think we should ever give it any less than 100%, particularly in the league cup. There is no excuse.
Why should I respect someone who calls on supporters to boycott their own team. Where is his mandate to speak for fans? No-one forces you to buy a ticket for any match, you do it by choice. If Lambert and Lallana had taken their chances and we'd won, then none of these idiots would be carping on. Fact is we lost, our players didn't perform, it's happened so move on. Too much emotive nonsense being spouted and idiots trying to blame team selection, when the eleven premiership players simply didn't perform! So again, before I look to blame the manager I'll ask why was Kelvin's handling and distribution so poor? Why were Clyne and Shaw so lacking in quality? Why did Wanyama, Davis and JWP not boss the midfield? Why was Lallana so ineffectual? How did Lambert miss an open goal from three yards? These are all questions being asked of Premiership quality players who, collectively, on the day were very poor. That is why we lost this game.
That's funny. Surely you've just mentioned four of the five players we swapped out on Saturday. And in terms of the questions, I'll give you a simple answer as to why they didn't perform - too many changes. As soon as the first choice players saw that team sheet I'm sure they went from feeling confident to thinking things may be a little tough - not a good way to set up for a crunch cup tie, especially when the coaching staff have virtually told them they should be feeling fatigued following a second game in a week..
Have you any idea how fitness and fatigue are monitored by the manager and back room staff?
You seem to conveniently forget that Sunderland made far more changes to their 'starting 11' than we did and won....
How you make judgement of the Saints 'first choice' players' frame of mind is laughable - this isn't the Drew Smith league.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]REDARMYRULETHESOUTH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeTissLeGod[/bold] wrote: WHY BOTHER TO BUY AN FA & LEAGUE CUP TICKET NEXT SEASON ???????????????????? ???????????????????? ??????????????[/p][/quote]UNLESS THERE IS A CHANGE IN POLICY OR STATEMENT OF INTENT FROM THE CLUB ... SUPPORTERS WILL NOT BUY TICKETS FOR THE LEAGUE CUP AND FA CUP. EMPTY GROUNDS WILL BE THE FUTURE AND NO MORE TRAVELLING TO AWAY GAMES. It is true that with correct Team Selection and Effort - we could be in Sunderland's place in the League Cup Final and setting up for a thrilling Quarter Final Place with an eye on WEMBLEY in the Semis. DISAPPOINTED AND P*SSED OFF - LOTS OF FANS ARE. WE NOW FOCUS ON THE WET SPAM GAME AND GETTING THE WIN AGAINST AN AGRICULTURAL 19TH CENTURY TEAM OF HOOFERS. WHO ARE WE ? - WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON - WE'RE OFF TO BRAZIL. COYR[/p][/quote]Pathetic, we are Southampton, lets boycott our own club! Thanks moron, but don't speak for me. I'll happily buy a ticket for any competition that my club is in and I'll support them. If they lose, I won't demand the right to pick the team. I support the team, the manager and all that they are trying to achieve. I accept that there are games you win and games you lose...that's the nature of any sporting competition.[/p][/quote]That's seriously disrespectful mate. All the guy said is that fans should not be expected to travel to Sunderland during a week or appalling weather in the middle of winter, having shelled out a significant amount of money in a recession to be told that the game wasn't really a priority and that some of the players were a little tired from Tuesday. This is rubbish. All we expect is to give an important cup game a good go. If the players and management had gone out and battled as if their lives depended on it, no problem, but how can you possibly prioritise league games against West Ham or Hull ahead of a chance of a trophy and European football? That's madness and entirely at odds with what football is all about surely. As for the idea that nobody cares about cup competitions anymore, tell that to all the people who didn't get a ticket for the Johnston's Paint Final a couple of years ago. I phoned up from the first second they went on sale, literally redialling for an hour and even then only got crap tickets on the upper tier. It was a competition that, though clearly small, kick started our momentum to the Premier League. I'm quite happy for other clubs to disrespect the cup as much as they want (gives us a better chance of winning), but I don't think we should ever give it any less than 100%, particularly in the league cup. There is no excuse.[/p][/quote]Why should I respect someone who calls on supporters to boycott their own team. Where is his mandate to speak for fans? No-one forces you to buy a ticket for any match, you do it by choice. If Lambert and Lallana had taken their chances and we'd won, then none of these idiots would be carping on. Fact is we lost, our players didn't perform, it's happened so move on. Too much emotive nonsense being spouted and idiots trying to blame team selection, when the eleven premiership players simply didn't perform! So again, before I look to blame the manager I'll ask why was Kelvin's handling and distribution so poor? Why were Clyne and Shaw so lacking in quality? Why did Wanyama, Davis and JWP not boss the midfield? Why was Lallana so ineffectual? How did Lambert miss an open goal from three yards? These are all questions being asked of Premiership quality players who, collectively, on the day were very poor. That is why we lost this game.[/p][/quote]That's funny. Surely you've just mentioned four of the five players we swapped out on Saturday. And in terms of the questions, I'll give you a simple answer as to why they didn't perform - too many changes. As soon as the first choice players saw that team sheet I'm sure they went from feeling confident to thinking things may be a little tough - not a good way to set up for a crunch cup tie, especially when the coaching staff have virtually told them they should be feeling fatigued following a second game in a week..[/p][/quote]Have you any idea how fitness and fatigue are monitored by the manager and back room staff? You seem to conveniently forget that Sunderland made far more changes to their 'starting 11' than we did and won.... How you make judgement of the Saints 'first choice' players' frame of mind is laughable - this isn't the Drew Smith league. St.Winch70

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