COMMENT: Poch needs a history lesson as Saints cannot continue to treat the FA Cup with so little respect

Basingstoke Gazette: Mauricio Pochettino Mauricio Pochettino

BOBBY Stokes would no doubt be turning in his grave, bless his soul.

 

What would the man, whose goal on May 1 1976 gave Saints their greatest ever moment, have made of Mauricio Pochettino’s team selection at the weekend?

 

Handed a great chance to reach the quarter finals of the FA Cup – 90 minutes from a Wembley day out – what did the manager do against a Sunderland side concentrating on other priorities?

He dropped his regular goalkeeper, Artur Boruc.

He dropped his leading goalscorer, Jay Rodriguez.

He dropped his main centre half, Jose Fonte (with the other one out injured).

And guess what he did with his two in-form defensive midfielders, Jack Cork and Morgan Schneiderlin?

Yes, he dropped them too.

A Saints side showing six changes from the one that had triumphed at Hull in the league a few days earlier were subsequently dumped out of the FA Cup.

Unlike their exit at the same fifth round stage at Bristol Rovers almost six years ago to the day, Saints’ exit was not smothered in humiliation.

But it did leave a sour taste in the mouth.

Saints exited the world’s greatest club knockout competition with more than a handful of fans accusing them of treating the FA Cup with little more than contempt.

Pochettino has earned plenty of plaudits since arriving at St Mary’s, and he has deserved them.

But at the weekend, he let every single Saints fan down with his team selection.

Sunderland made a raft of changes because Gus Poyet knows that Premier League survival is his priority.

Saints are not going to finish in the Champions League places, and they are not going to get sucked in to a relegation battle.

With that in mind, Pochettino should have targeted the FA Cup.

It is the competition that could turn him into a living legend at Saints. Ask Lawrie McMenemy, if you want a second opinion.

But no. The sight of Jos Hooiveld and Guly in the starting line-up were indications that, for whatever reason, Pochettino was not taking the FA Cup with the seriousness the situation deserved.

Hooiveld has looked uncomfortable in the few Premier League games he has played this season, while Guly has been another peripheral figure. Victor Wanyama is a £12m midfielder but he failed to impress when coming back from injury at Fulham recently, and looked off the pace again on Saturday.

Cork or Schneiderlin should have played instead. Preferably both.

The manager could not blame injuries either for his selections. Rodriguez and Schneiderlin both came off the bench and Cork and Fonte both sat on it for the whole 90 minutes, so presumably they were fit.

The Daily Echo’s online forums were full of furious Saints fans sounding off in the wake of Saturday’s defeat, and it is hard to argue with their frustrations following a tame surrender from a competition which 38 years ago gave Saints their greatest victory.

The English footballing landscape has changed considerably since that heady day against Manchester United in 1976.

Sometimes for the better, sometimes not. This was one of the nots.

Pochettino has not helped himself this season by sending out his assistant Jesus Perez to conduct both the pre match and post match interviews surrounding all cup ties.

Poyet didn’t send his No 2 out to face the media before or after the Sunderland game, and he’s got far more on his mind regarding league survival.

I have no wish to infer that Pochettino does not care about the FA Cup or the League Cup. He has never said that, and I’m sure he never will.

But he did go public to state that the Europa League could ‘kill’ clubs of Saints’ stature with regards to the qualifying and group games needed before you progress to the knockout stages.

He should have stayed quiet, kept his thoughts to himself.

As soon as he spoke, it did not need a large jump of thought to wonder how seriously he would be taking the FA Cup, a tournament with a Europa League spot for the winners (or the runners-up if won by a Champions League qualifying club).

At the weekend we saw how seriously he took it.

Not very.

Perez was then sent out to face the press, when really the manager should have fronted up the critical questions. By staying in the shadows, Pochettino did not do himself any favours. His actions did not reflect well on the man.

I have no reason to disbelieve Fonte when he told the media after the win at Hull that all the Saints players were desperate to follow in the footsteps of the 1976 legends.

He knows the importance of the FA Cup.

At a time when Saints are totally safe from relegation, and unlikely to improve their league position that much if at all, Mauricio Pochettino should have been well aware of the importance too.

Perhaps he needs a history lesson, to fully understand why players such as Stokes, Ian Porterfield, Roger Osborne, Ricky Villa, Norman Whiteside, Keith Houchen and Lawrie Sanchez are legends at their respective clubs.

Those were cup final heroes of an era when the competition truly meant something to every football fan.

Truly meant something to every club.

Deep down, I’m convinced a lot of fans still care, especially if their team has got nothing else to play for.

It’s just a crying shame that the men in charge of picking the teams these days don’t share that view.

And every time a manager makes a team selection like Pochettino did at Sunderland, so the FA Cup loses a tiny bit of its fairydust.

To sum up, I don’t think Pochettino treated the FA Cup with contempt or disdain, or a lack of respect, on purpose.

I just don’t think he understands what it really means.

Whatever, his attitude needs to have changed by next season because Saints are not a big enough club yet to carry on treating cup competitions like they have been in recent months.

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11:01am Mon 17 Feb 14

mgprobert says...

Hear hear - 100% agree, and I expect most fans do
Hear hear - 100% agree, and I expect most fans do mgprobert

11:05am Mon 17 Feb 14

prawn89 says...

yup, disappointing to say the least.

To be fair, the players who came in failed to step up. Surely the likes of Guly and Hoiveld just proved that they are just not up for it and should be shipped out if we have serious intentions to improve...

Mind you, we didn't do any better with a full strength side this season vs Sunderland.
yup, disappointing to say the least. To be fair, the players who came in failed to step up. Surely the likes of Guly and Hoiveld just proved that they are just not up for it and should be shipped out if we have serious intentions to improve... Mind you, we didn't do any better with a full strength side this season vs Sunderland. prawn89

11:20am Mon 17 Feb 14

Alicesdad says...

Oh ffs get a grip. We lost. Move on and get over it.

He took a gamble on beating a below form premiership team with some second string players and it didn't come off. All this verbal diarhoea about lack of respect for the cup is a bit much and a bit late.

It is a simple fact that the cup has slipped down the ladder of importance for the top clubs.This is not new, it has been this way for some years. We are no longer living in the 1970s when it was almost on a par with the league in the fans eyes.

Look at the League Cup, or whatever its called now, that's been dead for years and I struggle to remember who won it last year. In fact I can't remember.

The corporate finance side of business now rules the roost. If there was big money in the cup or the possibility of a Champions Leagure place then it would be a different matter. But that won't happen. The writing was on the wall when Man Utd opted not to enter the FACup in 2000. There was money elsewhere ot be made. That principle remains unchanged so why there is this press volcano of outrage is surprising. Tub thumping to get a reaction maybe? Or maybe they are fed up with reporting about the rainstorms and flooding.

Focus on what is important. To keep players at thsi club we want to finish this season on a high. We could finish 6th ... bit of a stretch but not impossible .. so come on lets get on with that.

So stop throwing the toys out of the pram Echo, it's be time for your lunchtime feed soon and you'll get a nice new nappy to soil.
Oh ffs get a grip. We lost. Move on and get over it. He took a gamble on beating a below form premiership team with some second string players and it didn't come off. All this verbal diarhoea about lack of respect for the cup is a bit much and a bit late. It is a simple fact that the cup has slipped down the ladder of importance for the top clubs.This is not new, it has been this way for some years. We are no longer living in the 1970s when it was almost on a par with the league in the fans eyes. Look at the League Cup, or whatever its called now, that's been dead for years and I struggle to remember who won it last year. In fact I can't remember. The corporate finance side of business now rules the roost. If there was big money in the cup or the possibility of a Champions Leagure place then it would be a different matter. But that won't happen. The writing was on the wall when Man Utd opted not to enter the FACup in 2000. There was money elsewhere ot be made. That principle remains unchanged so why there is this press volcano of outrage is surprising. Tub thumping to get a reaction maybe? Or maybe they are fed up with reporting about the rainstorms and flooding. Focus on what is important. To keep players at thsi club we want to finish this season on a high. We could finish 6th ... bit of a stretch but not impossible .. so come on lets get on with that. So stop throwing the toys out of the pram Echo, it's be time for your lunchtime feed soon and you'll get a nice new nappy to soil. Alicesdad

11:25am Mon 17 Feb 14

chapelsaint says...

To be fair, a cup final means more to the fans than it does to the finances of the club-and we all know that the fans come a very bad second.
To be fair, a cup final means more to the fans than it does to the finances of the club-and we all know that the fans come a very bad second. chapelsaint

11:26am Mon 17 Feb 14

Golden_Salamander says...

Sorry Simon but the FA Cup is UNIMPORTANT these days.

If the FA Cup is so important to the fans, why did only 15k turn up for the 3rd round match against Burnley ?.

It is only a few fans who are living in the old days where the FA Cup was as important as the league, IT IS NOT ANY MORE since the Sky money has put all the importance on league position and the 50% who did not turn up for than match against Burnley realise that (I went by the way).

The FA could change this overnight by giving the 4th CL place to the winners of the FA Cup, but while the current allocation exists the important games are the league games.

Pochettino realises that,,so do 50% of the fans, so do the Management of the Club who put all the PERFORMACE RELATED BONUSES (trips to Las Vegus / South of france in previous years) on a TOP 8 position.

Some fans need to wake up and stop living in the past. Wigan (last season) and the Cheats in previous seasons TRY TO BIG UP the FA Cup but it is unimportant these days just look at their league position.
Sorry Simon but the FA Cup is UNIMPORTANT these days. If the FA Cup is so important to the fans, why did only 15k turn up for the 3rd round match against Burnley ?. It is only a few fans who are living in the old days where the FA Cup was as important as the league, IT IS NOT ANY MORE since the Sky money has put all the importance on league position and the 50% who did not turn up for than match against Burnley realise that (I went by the way). The FA could change this overnight by giving the 4th CL place to the winners of the FA Cup, but while the current allocation exists the important games are the league games. Pochettino realises that,,so do 50% of the fans, so do the Management of the Club who put all the PERFORMACE RELATED BONUSES (trips to Las Vegus / South of france in previous years) on a TOP 8 position. Some fans need to wake up and stop living in the past. Wigan (last season) and the Cheats in previous seasons TRY TO BIG UP the FA Cup but it is unimportant these days just look at their league position. Golden_Salamander

11:26am Mon 17 Feb 14

Clever Dick says...

I doubt very much if this was his decision alone. It was probably club policy. In just the same way as transfer targets are dealt with. All prem sides are multi million pound operatios these days and hard decisions sometimes have to be made. You only need to take a look at the crowds attendng cup games compaed to league games to see where the priorities lie.
I doubt very much if this was his decision alone. It was probably club policy. In just the same way as transfer targets are dealt with. All prem sides are multi million pound operatios these days and hard decisions sometimes have to be made. You only need to take a look at the crowds attendng cup games compaed to league games to see where the priorities lie. Clever Dick

11:38am Mon 17 Feb 14

Salalal says...

Excellent article. The team selection was an insult to the fans. But, I wouldn't put the blame on Pochettino alone. Adkins selected the same useless fringe players for cup games, including the 3-0 League Cup defeat at Leeds last season.
Excellent article. The team selection was an insult to the fans. But, I wouldn't put the blame on Pochettino alone. Adkins selected the same useless fringe players for cup games, including the 3-0 League Cup defeat at Leeds last season. Salalal

11:42am Mon 17 Feb 14

Salalal says...

prawn89 wrote:
yup, disappointing to say the least.

To be fair, the players who came in failed to step up. Surely the likes of Guly and Hoiveld just proved that they are just not up for it and should be shipped out if we have serious intentions to improve...

Mind you, we didn't do any better with a full strength side this season vs Sunderland.
Totally agree. The best bit of transfer business we can do this summer is to get rid of Hooiveld and Guly. I would throw in Kelvin Davis as well..
[quote][p][bold]prawn89[/bold] wrote: yup, disappointing to say the least. To be fair, the players who came in failed to step up. Surely the likes of Guly and Hoiveld just proved that they are just not up for it and should be shipped out if we have serious intentions to improve... Mind you, we didn't do any better with a full strength side this season vs Sunderland.[/p][/quote]Totally agree. The best bit of transfer business we can do this summer is to get rid of Hooiveld and Guly. I would throw in Kelvin Davis as well.. Salalal

11:48am Mon 17 Feb 14

saintrich says...

Were sunderland disrespecting the FA Cup by 'dropping' 9 players?

The better team on the day won.

The side we had out was capable. Shall we just keep 11 players and release the rest? They obviously aren't good enough judging by your poor article.
Were sunderland disrespecting the FA Cup by 'dropping' 9 players? The better team on the day won. The side we had out was capable. Shall we just keep 11 players and release the rest? They obviously aren't good enough judging by your poor article. saintrich

11:51am Mon 17 Feb 14

Salalal says...

saintrich wrote:
Were sunderland disrespecting the FA Cup by 'dropping' 9 players?

The better team on the day won.

The side we had out was capable. Shall we just keep 11 players and release the rest? They obviously aren't good enough judging by your poor article.
No, we only need to get rid of three. Sunderland already got rid of one of those three a long time ago. He features in their all-time worst Sunderland players XI.
[quote][p][bold]saintrich[/bold] wrote: Were sunderland disrespecting the FA Cup by 'dropping' 9 players? The better team on the day won. The side we had out was capable. Shall we just keep 11 players and release the rest? They obviously aren't good enough judging by your poor article.[/p][/quote]No, we only need to get rid of three. Sunderland already got rid of one of those three a long time ago. He features in their all-time worst Sunderland players XI. Salalal

11:52am Mon 17 Feb 14

magnette says...

Pochettino did not put out a weakened team per se,

The only "weak" members was Kelvin Davis but even he has much experience at this level, and Guly who has played a few first team games this year.
Clyne is probably first choice right back and possible England candidate.
Hooi and Yosh are second choice but Fonte (shin) and Lovren are both injured.
Shaw is nailed on first team left back.
Wanyama is a marke signing and first choice,
Davies has been a regular first choice.
JWP has played more games than not.
Lambert/Lallana well no argument there.

The introduction of other first team players made little difference and Lambert missed a sitter.

A few points for you to consider: A while back Saints were 2/3rd in the league. They lost a few players to injury and tumbled to 10th. The team wins a million pounds for every position it gains in the league. The FA cup is a lottery that Saints have little chance of winning.

Pochettino has to marshall resources to achieve the long term best for the club. Which is gaining entry into the top six using sensible, sustainable investment into the club and progressing forward better than the other clubs by the training of young players and their staged introduction into the first team. It is not the clubs aim to throw caution to the wind for the possibility of a glory-or-bust day out to London for the fans; or do you think it would be wiser to follow the Portsmouth business model?
Pochettino did not put out a weakened team per se, The only "weak" members was Kelvin Davis but even he has much experience at this level, and Guly who has played a few first team games this year. Clyne is probably first choice right back and possible England candidate. Hooi and Yosh are second choice but Fonte (shin) and Lovren are both injured. Shaw is nailed on first team left back. Wanyama is a marke signing and first choice, Davies has been a regular first choice. JWP has played more games than not. Lambert/Lallana well no argument there. The introduction of other first team players made little difference and Lambert missed a sitter. A few points for you to consider: A while back Saints were 2/3rd in the league. They lost a few players to injury and tumbled to 10th. The team wins a million pounds for every position it gains in the league. The FA cup is a lottery that Saints have little chance of winning. Pochettino has to marshall resources to achieve the long term best for the club. Which is gaining entry into the top six using sensible, sustainable investment into the club and progressing forward better than the other clubs by the training of young players and their staged introduction into the first team. It is not the clubs aim to throw caution to the wind for the possibility of a glory-or-bust day out to London for the fans; or do you think it would be wiser to follow the Portsmouth business model? magnette

11:53am Mon 17 Feb 14

el caballo santos101 says...

why is it that when we lose the first string players are `dropped` yet in previous rounds when we won they were simply `rested`?
the echo proudly tells us of all the players who were `dropped` yet doesn't inform us why or who they were replaced by.
fonte wasn't `dropped` anyone who saw the cuts to his leg after the hull game would realise this, his replacement though, hoover, has played enough top flight games to be able to come in to do a job. spider was replaced by Big Vic a £12mill+ player, who the echo recently told us was one of the main reasons we started the season so well, and who only lost his place through injury and is now trying to regain match fitness and his place. cork was replaced by JWP an England U21 regular who most `experts` feel will make the step up to the full team. chambers was replaced by clyne, who again has played at U21 level for England and is also expected to be in the full team by many `experts` and again lost his place through injury and is trying to regain it. AB was replaced by Kelv, who has played every cup game if memory serves, he also wasn't at fault for sunderlands goal, though his distribution was dreadful all game. J-rod was replaced by guly, a player who gets totally disrespected by some fans and must always be worried that any mistake will see him come in for even more abuse,how cant those fans see that they are affecting his game, and therefore the team,
so most of the `dropped` players were replaced by very competent replacements some of who shoulld be looking to regain their starting places.
I`m not excusing the performance as it was dire, I`m just trying to point out that the whole team played poorly not just the replacements, who had the opportunity to get into the first 11.
lets not forget that had SRL not missed we would be looking at a replay, so we played that bad and still nearly drew the game.
why is it that when we lose the first string players are `dropped` yet in previous rounds when we won they were simply `rested`? the echo proudly tells us of all the players who were `dropped` yet doesn't inform us why or who they were replaced by. fonte wasn't `dropped` anyone who saw the cuts to his leg after the hull game would realise this, his replacement though, hoover, has played enough top flight games to be able to come in to do a job. spider was replaced by Big Vic a £12mill+ player, who the echo recently told us was one of the main reasons we started the season so well, and who only lost his place through injury and is now trying to regain match fitness and his place. cork was replaced by JWP an England U21 regular who most `experts` feel will make the step up to the full team. chambers was replaced by clyne, who again has played at U21 level for England and is also expected to be in the full team by many `experts` and again lost his place through injury and is trying to regain it. AB was replaced by Kelv, who has played every cup game if memory serves, he also wasn't at fault for sunderlands goal, though his distribution was dreadful all game. J-rod was replaced by guly, a player who gets totally disrespected by some fans and must always be worried that any mistake will see him come in for even more abuse,how cant those fans see that they are affecting his game, and therefore the team, so most of the `dropped` players were replaced by very competent replacements some of who shoulld be looking to regain their starting places. I`m not excusing the performance as it was dire, I`m just trying to point out that the whole team played poorly not just the replacements, who had the opportunity to get into the first 11. lets not forget that had SRL not missed we would be looking at a replay, so we played that bad and still nearly drew the game. el caballo santos101

11:57am Mon 17 Feb 14

Salalal says...

magnette wrote:
Pochettino did not put out a weakened team per se,

The only "weak" members was Kelvin Davis but even he has much experience at this level, and Guly who has played a few first team games this year.
Clyne is probably first choice right back and possible England candidate.
Hooi and Yosh are second choice but Fonte (shin) and Lovren are both injured.
Shaw is nailed on first team left back.
Wanyama is a marke signing and first choice,
Davies has been a regular first choice.
JWP has played more games than not.
Lambert/Lallana well no argument there.

The introduction of other first team players made little difference and Lambert missed a sitter.

A few points for you to consider: A while back Saints were 2/3rd in the league. They lost a few players to injury and tumbled to 10th. The team wins a million pounds for every position it gains in the league. The FA cup is a lottery that Saints have little chance of winning.

Pochettino has to marshall resources to achieve the long term best for the club. Which is gaining entry into the top six using sensible, sustainable investment into the club and progressing forward better than the other clubs by the training of young players and their staged introduction into the first team. It is not the clubs aim to throw caution to the wind for the possibility of a glory-or-bust day out to London for the fans; or do you think it would be wiser to follow the Portsmouth business model?
Kelvin Davis and Guly are two of the three weak links. There is also Hooiveld. I will be gutted if I see the three of them appear in a Saints team ever again.
[quote][p][bold]magnette[/bold] wrote: Pochettino did not put out a weakened team per se, The only "weak" members was Kelvin Davis but even he has much experience at this level, and Guly who has played a few first team games this year. Clyne is probably first choice right back and possible England candidate. Hooi and Yosh are second choice but Fonte (shin) and Lovren are both injured. Shaw is nailed on first team left back. Wanyama is a marke signing and first choice, Davies has been a regular first choice. JWP has played more games than not. Lambert/Lallana well no argument there. The introduction of other first team players made little difference and Lambert missed a sitter. A few points for you to consider: A while back Saints were 2/3rd in the league. They lost a few players to injury and tumbled to 10th. The team wins a million pounds for every position it gains in the league. The FA cup is a lottery that Saints have little chance of winning. Pochettino has to marshall resources to achieve the long term best for the club. Which is gaining entry into the top six using sensible, sustainable investment into the club and progressing forward better than the other clubs by the training of young players and their staged introduction into the first team. It is not the clubs aim to throw caution to the wind for the possibility of a glory-or-bust day out to London for the fans; or do you think it would be wiser to follow the Portsmouth business model?[/p][/quote]Kelvin Davis and Guly are two of the three weak links. There is also Hooiveld. I will be gutted if I see the three of them appear in a Saints team ever again. Salalal

12:05pm Mon 17 Feb 14

saintrich says...

Did picking Davis over Boruc affect the match? Would Boruc have saved Gardner's shot?

Tim Howard didn't play for Everton yesterday, are they disrespecting the cup too?
Did picking Davis over Boruc affect the match? Would Boruc have saved Gardner's shot? Tim Howard didn't play for Everton yesterday, are they disrespecting the cup too? saintrich

12:13pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Confucious says...

Perhaps for some strange reason, MoPo, a stranger to these shores looked at the half empty St Marys stadium during all the earlier home ties somehow jumped to the conclusion that the FA Cup wasn't vitally important to the fans.
Perhaps for some strange reason, MoPo, a stranger to these shores looked at the half empty St Marys stadium during all the earlier home ties somehow jumped to the conclusion that the FA Cup wasn't vitally important to the fans. Confucious

12:19pm Mon 17 Feb 14

bigfella777 says...

If you agree with this rubbish you're not a real fan
If you agree with this rubbish you're not a real fan bigfella777

12:20pm Mon 17 Feb 14

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. says...

when saints won the cup it was in the top three cup competitions in the world ,the sad fact is ,it no longer is ,lost its magic a long time ago.
when saints won the cup it was in the top three cup competitions in the world ,the sad fact is ,it no longer is ,lost its magic a long time ago. WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.

12:21pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Salalal says...

saintrich wrote:
Did picking Davis over Boruc affect the match? Would Boruc have saved Gardner's shot?

Tim Howard didn't play for Everton yesterday, are they disrespecting the cup too?
As we have never ever beaten another Premier League team with those three in the side and never will, YES, picking them cost us the game.

The whole team broke down as there was no high line and no passing movements because Boruc and Fonte were not there to get them started or enable the rest of the team to push up and Guly could not link up with Lallana and Lambert the way that Rodriguez does.
[quote][p][bold]saintrich[/bold] wrote: Did picking Davis over Boruc affect the match? Would Boruc have saved Gardner's shot? Tim Howard didn't play for Everton yesterday, are they disrespecting the cup too?[/p][/quote]As we have never ever beaten another Premier League team with those three in the side and never will, YES, picking them cost us the game. The whole team broke down as there was no high line and no passing movements because Boruc and Fonte were not there to get them started or enable the rest of the team to push up and Guly could not link up with Lallana and Lambert the way that Rodriguez does. Salalal

12:21pm Mon 17 Feb 14

drkensta says...

I wonder what Marcus Lieber would have thought about the team selection and the consequent result?
I wonder what Marcus Lieber would have thought about the team selection and the consequent result? drkensta

12:30pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Salalal says...

saintrich wrote:
Did picking Davis over Boruc affect the match? Would Boruc have saved Gardner's shot?

Tim Howard didn't play for Everton yesterday, are they disrespecting the cup too?
The fact that Sunderland were smart enough to get rid of Kelvin Davis a long time ago probably helped them to win the match. Their fans rate him as the worst goalkeeper ever to play for them. Oh, how they laughed when they saw he was in goal for us. They thought it was hilarious.
[quote][p][bold]saintrich[/bold] wrote: Did picking Davis over Boruc affect the match? Would Boruc have saved Gardner's shot? Tim Howard didn't play for Everton yesterday, are they disrespecting the cup too?[/p][/quote]The fact that Sunderland were smart enough to get rid of Kelvin Davis a long time ago probably helped them to win the match. Their fans rate him as the worst goalkeeper ever to play for them. Oh, how they laughed when they saw he was in goal for us. They thought it was hilarious. Salalal

12:34pm Mon 17 Feb 14

IanRC5 says...

Wanyama was poor again and Jack Cork must be wondering why he bothers, poor motivation by the manager. Kelvins distribution was awful throughout.
Wanyama was poor again and Jack Cork must be wondering why he bothers, poor motivation by the manager. Kelvins distribution was awful throughout. IanRC5

12:36pm Mon 17 Feb 14

willygetaway says...

so DE you hated Cortese, and now you have your eyes fixed on Mopo.
What is you hidden agenda ????
or you would rather we are run by the type of person like the dark lord? The DE are just a bunch of skunts,so dont hide behind your cynical headlines. I support the saints, and have no wish to head back to the old days. Now bring on fat Sam
so DE you hated Cortese, and now you have your eyes fixed on Mopo. What is you hidden agenda ???? or you would rather we are run by the type of person like the dark lord? The DE are just a bunch of skunts,so dont hide behind your cynical headlines. I support the saints, and have no wish to head back to the old days. Now bring on fat Sam willygetaway

12:53pm Mon 17 Feb 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Salalal wrote:
saintrich wrote:
Did picking Davis over Boruc affect the match? Would Boruc have saved Gardner's shot?

Tim Howard didn't play for Everton yesterday, are they disrespecting the cup too?
The fact that Sunderland were smart enough to get rid of Kelvin Davis a long time ago probably helped them to win the match. Their fans rate him as the worst goalkeeper ever to play for them. Oh, how they laughed when they saw he was in goal for us. They thought it was hilarious.
yes your right, its just a shame that we signed Kelv so that he could help us get promoted from L1, being voted the best keeper in the league by fellow players. he then also helped us go straight through the championship again being voted goalkeeper of the season by fellow professionals. just think how much better we could have been with Bartoz or tommy forecast in goal for those seasons!
did you know that lyon fans didn't rate dejan? perhaps we should also consider their opinion and drop dejan. oh how they must have laughed when we paid £8mill for him!
[quote][p][bold]Salalal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintrich[/bold] wrote: Did picking Davis over Boruc affect the match? Would Boruc have saved Gardner's shot? Tim Howard didn't play for Everton yesterday, are they disrespecting the cup too?[/p][/quote]The fact that Sunderland were smart enough to get rid of Kelvin Davis a long time ago probably helped them to win the match. Their fans rate him as the worst goalkeeper ever to play for them. Oh, how they laughed when they saw he was in goal for us. They thought it was hilarious.[/p][/quote]yes your right, its just a shame that we signed Kelv so that he could help us get promoted from L1, being voted the best keeper in the league by fellow players. he then also helped us go straight through the championship again being voted goalkeeper of the season by fellow professionals. just think how much better we could have been with Bartoz or tommy forecast in goal for those seasons! did you know that lyon fans didn't rate dejan? perhaps we should also consider their opinion and drop dejan. oh how they must have laughed when we paid £8mill for him! el caballo santos101

1:11pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Little Hitler says...

Still really unhappy about this, you either go for a win or you don't, not something halfway between the two options. This is what we got and it can be a killer for all involved (the fans, the players and our collective confidence).

There was simply no need to weaken the side, we had no pressing concerns requiring us to split up our winning formula.

Anyone who knows anything about football recognises that taking one great player out and replacing him with one poor quality equivalent is all it needs to completely change the balance of a side. It doesn't matter if it's 5-a-side football or the Premier League, the result is the same.

The manager clearly isn't interested in European football and he's willing to show the same dogged stubbornness as Nicola Cortese did. This may be for the greater good but right now I feel badly let down.
Still really unhappy about this, you either go for a win or you don't, not something halfway between the two options. This is what we got and it can be a killer for all involved (the fans, the players and our collective confidence). There was simply no need to weaken the side, we had no pressing concerns requiring us to split up our winning formula. Anyone who knows anything about football recognises that taking one great player out and replacing him with one poor quality equivalent is all it needs to completely change the balance of a side. It doesn't matter if it's 5-a-side football or the Premier League, the result is the same. The manager clearly isn't interested in European football and he's willing to show the same dogged stubbornness as Nicola Cortese did. This may be for the greater good but right now I feel badly let down. Little Hitler

1:22pm Mon 17 Feb 14

SouthamptonBoy65 says...

Salalal wrote:
saintrich wrote:
Did picking Davis over Boruc affect the match? Would Boruc have saved Gardner's shot?

Tim Howard didn't play for Everton yesterday, are they disrespecting the cup too?
The fact that Sunderland were smart enough to get rid of Kelvin Davis a long time ago probably helped them to win the match. Their fans rate him as the worst goalkeeper ever to play for them. Oh, how they laughed when they saw he was in goal for us. They thought it was hilarious.
Really!!!
,
Tell me one keeper that would have saved that shot! The one goal conceded shot!

Look back at the past few years and tell us why KD was such a bad buy, you know from league 1 only a few years back.....get real and show some respect.
[quote][p][bold]Salalal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintrich[/bold] wrote: Did picking Davis over Boruc affect the match? Would Boruc have saved Gardner's shot? Tim Howard didn't play for Everton yesterday, are they disrespecting the cup too?[/p][/quote]The fact that Sunderland were smart enough to get rid of Kelvin Davis a long time ago probably helped them to win the match. Their fans rate him as the worst goalkeeper ever to play for them. Oh, how they laughed when they saw he was in goal for us. They thought it was hilarious.[/p][/quote]Really!!! , Tell me one keeper that would have saved that shot! The one goal conceded shot! Look back at the past few years and tell us why KD was such a bad buy, you know from league 1 only a few years back.....get real and show some respect. SouthamptonBoy65

1:32pm Mon 17 Feb 14

redsnapper says...

SouthamptonBoy65 wrote:
Salalal wrote:
saintrich wrote:
Did picking Davis over Boruc affect the match? Would Boruc have saved Gardner's shot?

Tim Howard didn't play for Everton yesterday, are they disrespecting the cup too?
The fact that Sunderland were smart enough to get rid of Kelvin Davis a long time ago probably helped them to win the match. Their fans rate him as the worst goalkeeper ever to play for them. Oh, how they laughed when they saw he was in goal for us. They thought it was hilarious.
Really!!!
,
Tell me one keeper that would have saved that shot! The one goal conceded shot!

Look back at the past few years and tell us why KD was such a bad buy, you know from league 1 only a few years back.....get real and show some respect.
Kelvins awful distribution on Sat was a major contribution to the poor team performance, too many kicks over kicked, misdirected or over the line.....hopeless.
[quote][p][bold]SouthamptonBoy65[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Salalal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintrich[/bold] wrote: Did picking Davis over Boruc affect the match? Would Boruc have saved Gardner's shot? Tim Howard didn't play for Everton yesterday, are they disrespecting the cup too?[/p][/quote]The fact that Sunderland were smart enough to get rid of Kelvin Davis a long time ago probably helped them to win the match. Their fans rate him as the worst goalkeeper ever to play for them. Oh, how they laughed when they saw he was in goal for us. They thought it was hilarious.[/p][/quote]Really!!! , Tell me one keeper that would have saved that shot! The one goal conceded shot! Look back at the past few years and tell us why KD was such a bad buy, you know from league 1 only a few years back.....get real and show some respect.[/p][/quote]Kelvins awful distribution on Sat was a major contribution to the poor team performance, too many kicks over kicked, misdirected or over the line.....hopeless. redsnapper

1:38pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Thorshammer says...

Golden_Salamander wrote:
Sorry Simon but the FA Cup is UNIMPORTANT these days.

If the FA Cup is so important to the fans, why did only 15k turn up for the 3rd round match against Burnley ?.

It is only a few fans who are living in the old days where the FA Cup was as important as the league, IT IS NOT ANY MORE since the Sky money has put all the importance on league position and the 50% who did not turn up for than match against Burnley realise that (I went by the way).

The FA could change this overnight by giving the 4th CL place to the winners of the FA Cup, but while the current allocation exists the important games are the league games.

Pochettino realises that,,so do 50% of the fans, so do the Management of the Club who put all the PERFORMACE RELATED BONUSES (trips to Las Vegus / South of france in previous years) on a TOP 8 position.

Some fans need to wake up and stop living in the past. Wigan (last season) and the Cheats in previous seasons TRY TO BIG UP the FA Cup but it is unimportant these days just look at their league position.
Spot on, players do not talk about medals any more, it is the size of their house and bank balance,
The Cup has lost its romance and appeal over the last 20 years with Man Utd not bothering with it and the FA holding the semi at Wembley. It is a cash cow being milked.
2 places in the League earns as much as the Cup, that is the reality.
[quote][p][bold]Golden_Salamander[/bold] wrote: Sorry Simon but the FA Cup is UNIMPORTANT these days. If the FA Cup is so important to the fans, why did only 15k turn up for the 3rd round match against Burnley ?. It is only a few fans who are living in the old days where the FA Cup was as important as the league, IT IS NOT ANY MORE since the Sky money has put all the importance on league position and the 50% who did not turn up for than match against Burnley realise that (I went by the way). The FA could change this overnight by giving the 4th CL place to the winners of the FA Cup, but while the current allocation exists the important games are the league games. Pochettino realises that,,so do 50% of the fans, so do the Management of the Club who put all the PERFORMACE RELATED BONUSES (trips to Las Vegus / South of france in previous years) on a TOP 8 position. Some fans need to wake up and stop living in the past. Wigan (last season) and the Cheats in previous seasons TRY TO BIG UP the FA Cup but it is unimportant these days just look at their league position.[/p][/quote]Spot on, players do not talk about medals any more, it is the size of their house and bank balance, The Cup has lost its romance and appeal over the last 20 years with Man Utd not bothering with it and the FA holding the semi at Wembley. It is a cash cow being milked. 2 places in the League earns as much as the Cup, that is the reality. Thorshammer

1:41pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Costa Baz says...

Just my opinion, but if the Europa Cup is causing so much concern, to managers and clubs, alike, what are they doing to rectify it?

I would like to see the following.

Champions League. Once a team has been eliminated from this competition, they should not be allowed to drop into the Europa Cup. Keeping space for these "failures" is, I believe, one of the reasons why the Europa Cup starts so early - the number of teams that have qualified, need to be whittled down, in time to accept the CL flops.

Europa Cup. This should revert to the old UEFA Cup format, and become a straight, home and away, knockout competition. It is not a money spinning competition, until the latter stages, so why have mini leagues, that just tire your players out, in the knowledge that one of the CL flops will probably win the trophy, anyway?

Re-instate the Cup Winners Cup. Return to the old format, but reward the winners, of this cup, by either allowing them to defend it, the following season, or by giving them a place in the CL, in the qualifying stages.

Maybe, if the managers considered the reward, for winning the cup was just that, and not a threat to their job security, they might take the competition more seriously?

As a football fan, along with many on here, I don't understand why having the FA Cup on your managerial CV, isn't worth going for.
Just my opinion, but if the Europa Cup is causing so much concern, to managers and clubs, alike, what are they doing to rectify it? I would like to see the following. Champions League. Once a team has been eliminated from this competition, they should not be allowed to drop into the Europa Cup. Keeping space for these "failures" is, I believe, one of the reasons why the Europa Cup starts so early - the number of teams that have qualified, need to be whittled down, in time to accept the CL flops. Europa Cup. This should revert to the old UEFA Cup format, and become a straight, home and away, knockout competition. It is not a money spinning competition, until the latter stages, so why have mini leagues, that just tire your players out, in the knowledge that one of the CL flops will probably win the trophy, anyway? Re-instate the Cup Winners Cup. Return to the old format, but reward the winners, of this cup, by either allowing them to defend it, the following season, or by giving them a place in the CL, in the qualifying stages. Maybe, if the managers considered the reward, for winning the cup was just that, and not a threat to their job security, they might take the competition more seriously? As a football fan, along with many on here, I don't understand why having the FA Cup on your managerial CV, isn't worth going for. Costa Baz

2:06pm Mon 17 Feb 14

st1halo says...

It's no use blaming Poch, Kelvin or anyone else for our capitulation as many clubs have been doing this for many years now.
The only people who are to blame are the FA. They have allowed this once great competition to drift into decline and if it continues, into obscurity. They have the funds and the ability to raise the stakes, perhaps offering more money round by round with large prizes or even lucrative sponsorship deals for the finalists and winners. Why do smaller clubs battle so hard to get through the rounds? Simple. Money. Financial reward is the international language that every foreign manager and club owner will understand so being aquainted with the history and importance to fans of this competition will be irrelevant. This will unite fans and clubs alike in a common purpose.
Likewise UEFA and the Europa Cup. What is the point in having competitions if no one wants to be involved?

STID
It's no use blaming Poch, Kelvin or anyone else for our capitulation as many clubs have been doing this for many years now. The only people who are to blame are the FA. They have allowed this once great competition to drift into decline and if it continues, into obscurity. They have the funds and the ability to raise the stakes, perhaps offering more money round by round with large prizes or even lucrative sponsorship deals for the finalists and winners. Why do smaller clubs battle so hard to get through the rounds? Simple. Money. Financial reward is the international language that every foreign manager and club owner will understand so being aquainted with the history and importance to fans of this competition will be irrelevant. This will unite fans and clubs alike in a common purpose. Likewise UEFA and the Europa Cup. What is the point in having competitions if no one wants to be involved? STID st1halo

2:09pm Mon 17 Feb 14

just kidding says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
why is it that when we lose the first string players are `dropped` yet in previous rounds when we won they were simply `rested`?
the echo proudly tells us of all the players who were `dropped` yet doesn't inform us why or who they were replaced by.
fonte wasn't `dropped` anyone who saw the cuts to his leg after the hull game would realise this, his replacement though, hoover, has played enough top flight games to be able to come in to do a job. spider was replaced by Big Vic a £12mill+ player, who the echo recently told us was one of the main reasons we started the season so well, and who only lost his place through injury and is now trying to regain match fitness and his place. cork was replaced by JWP an England U21 regular who most `experts` feel will make the step up to the full team. chambers was replaced by clyne, who again has played at U21 level for England and is also expected to be in the full team by many `experts` and again lost his place through injury and is trying to regain it. AB was replaced by Kelv, who has played every cup game if memory serves, he also wasn't at fault for sunderlands goal, though his distribution was dreadful all game. J-rod was replaced by guly, a player who gets totally disrespected by some fans and must always be worried that any mistake will see him come in for even more abuse,how cant those fans see that they are affecting his game, and therefore the team,
so most of the `dropped` players were replaced by very competent replacements some of who shoulld be looking to regain their starting places.
I`m not excusing the performance as it was dire, I`m just trying to point out that the whole team played poorly not just the replacements, who had the opportunity to get into the first 11.
lets not forget that had SRL not missed we would be looking at a replay, so we played that bad and still nearly drew the game.
"The English footballing landscape has changed considerably since that heady day against Manchester United in 1976." I think this quote and your comments sum things up really well. And I might add that this is a Squad game and Ponch has to respect the players in the squad by letting them play. Mixed in with that is the need to get his injured players back up and running along with giving valuable playing time to the youngsters, and resting some of the regulars. Personally I cannot hide the fact that I would much rather see us beating Man U, ending above them in the table, with a well honed confident group of players, than any cup run at this point.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: why is it that when we lose the first string players are `dropped` yet in previous rounds when we won they were simply `rested`? the echo proudly tells us of all the players who were `dropped` yet doesn't inform us why or who they were replaced by. fonte wasn't `dropped` anyone who saw the cuts to his leg after the hull game would realise this, his replacement though, hoover, has played enough top flight games to be able to come in to do a job. spider was replaced by Big Vic a £12mill+ player, who the echo recently told us was one of the main reasons we started the season so well, and who only lost his place through injury and is now trying to regain match fitness and his place. cork was replaced by JWP an England U21 regular who most `experts` feel will make the step up to the full team. chambers was replaced by clyne, who again has played at U21 level for England and is also expected to be in the full team by many `experts` and again lost his place through injury and is trying to regain it. AB was replaced by Kelv, who has played every cup game if memory serves, he also wasn't at fault for sunderlands goal, though his distribution was dreadful all game. J-rod was replaced by guly, a player who gets totally disrespected by some fans and must always be worried that any mistake will see him come in for even more abuse,how cant those fans see that they are affecting his game, and therefore the team, so most of the `dropped` players were replaced by very competent replacements some of who shoulld be looking to regain their starting places. I`m not excusing the performance as it was dire, I`m just trying to point out that the whole team played poorly not just the replacements, who had the opportunity to get into the first 11. lets not forget that had SRL not missed we would be looking at a replay, so we played that bad and still nearly drew the game.[/p][/quote]"The English footballing landscape has changed considerably since that heady day against Manchester United in 1976." I think this quote and your comments sum things up really well. And I might add that this is a Squad game and Ponch has to respect the players in the squad by letting them play. Mixed in with that is the need to get his injured players back up and running along with giving valuable playing time to the youngsters, and resting some of the regulars. Personally I cannot hide the fact that I would much rather see us beating Man U, ending above them in the table, with a well honed confident group of players, than any cup run at this point. just kidding

2:20pm Mon 17 Feb 14

St.Winch70 says...

What don't you understand about a group of players not performing in a football match?
Do you really get paid for penning this tripe?
What don't you understand about a group of players not performing in a football match? Do you really get paid for penning this tripe? St.Winch70

2:27pm Mon 17 Feb 14

NC Fan4Life says...

Sadly, the FA Cup has lost its magic. It has reduced in importance since the winners don't qualify for the Champions league. Man Utd led the view of the top clubs back in 2000 by not entering and most Premier teams have used it to rest players since because league position is now far more important financially. Also the crowd attendances at FA Cup matches are falling as fast as its importance is diminishing, clubs only take an interest if they happen to get to the semi-final or are drawn a derby game.

I like many, are saddened by this but cannot see it being saved unless the FA can negotiate a Champions League place away from the league, something most Premier League clubs will not want to loose.
The Europa League is not as prestigious as its predecessor and has too many games at the wrong time. Who thinks bringing back the European Cup Winners Cup instead be of help in rejuvenating the FA Cup ?
Sadly, the FA Cup has lost its magic. It has reduced in importance since the winners don't qualify for the Champions league. Man Utd led the view of the top clubs back in 2000 by not entering and most Premier teams have used it to rest players since because league position is now far more important financially. Also the crowd attendances at FA Cup matches are falling as fast as its importance is diminishing, clubs only take an interest if they happen to get to the semi-final or are drawn a derby game. I like many, are saddened by this but cannot see it being saved unless the FA can negotiate a Champions League place away from the league, something most Premier League clubs will not want to loose. The Europa League is not as prestigious as its predecessor and has too many games at the wrong time. Who thinks bringing back the European Cup Winners Cup instead be of help in rejuvenating the FA Cup ? NC Fan4Life

2:45pm Mon 17 Feb 14

eyresiesaint says...

I wish the echo would stop trying to cause such cr@p for the team they are supposed to be behind, Sunderland changed 9 players but don't get any flack, if we had won then it would of read, master selection by poch,

Fonte had a great gash in his shins from hull game, apart from that it was really only guly that had not been in the first team too much this season, he still put out 7 regulars that play week In week out, perhaps they should of been more up for the fight,

I'm proud of were we are and how poch has got us playing and the mentality we show, but if the local paper and fans get on their back for one bad result then we won't keep hold of one of the best managers we have had in years,

Sort it out echo and get your facts straight, does not matter if boruc was in goal he would not if saved the goal anyway,

COYR
I wish the echo would stop trying to cause such cr@p for the team they are supposed to be behind, Sunderland changed 9 players but don't get any flack, if we had won then it would of read, master selection by poch, Fonte had a great gash in his shins from hull game, apart from that it was really only guly that had not been in the first team too much this season, he still put out 7 regulars that play week In week out, perhaps they should of been more up for the fight, I'm proud of were we are and how poch has got us playing and the mentality we show, but if the local paper and fans get on their back for one bad result then we won't keep hold of one of the best managers we have had in years, Sort it out echo and get your facts straight, does not matter if boruc was in goal he would not if saved the goal anyway, COYR eyresiesaint

3:13pm Mon 17 Feb 14

cotswoldsaint says...

Like most fans really disappointed with the team selection, performance and result on Saturday. Still, no choice but to move on and hope for a positive response from manager and team for the rest of the season. For all the criticism of MoPo, he's taken Saints to a different level this season and I for one do not want to see him leave in the summer, with a number of star players exiting in his wake, no doubt.
On a related point, Sky have had a report on their website for some days in which Guly allegedly confirms he will be leaving Saints in the summer though then goes on to say "if" that happens he will be "sad to leave". Possibly a ploy by his agent to kick-start new contract negotiations?? I just hope that after his latest non-performance that doesn't happen and he can amble off into the twighlight of his career.
Like most fans really disappointed with the team selection, performance and result on Saturday. Still, no choice but to move on and hope for a positive response from manager and team for the rest of the season. For all the criticism of MoPo, he's taken Saints to a different level this season and I for one do not want to see him leave in the summer, with a number of star players exiting in his wake, no doubt. On a related point, Sky have had a report on their website for some days in which Guly allegedly confirms he will be leaving Saints in the summer though then goes on to say "if" that happens he will be "sad to leave". Possibly a ploy by his agent to kick-start new contract negotiations?? I just hope that after his latest non-performance that doesn't happen and he can amble off into the twighlight of his career. cotswoldsaint

3:56pm Mon 17 Feb 14

FindAndDestroy says...

I am just as upset as you all are.....I think we have said more than enough...we have to accept it is done there is no going back, we need to lick our wounds and move on quickly.....

We can not afford to dwell on this defeat, waste spam in on the horizon, we can still finish higher than 8, so there still plenty to play for...

MoPo has done an incredible job for this Club, so all these negative attitudes coming his way is uncalled for..

Lets get behind the team for the next battle..

COYRs
I am just as upset as you all are.....I think we have said more than enough...we have to accept it is done there is no going back, we need to lick our wounds and move on quickly..... We can not afford to dwell on this defeat, waste spam in on the horizon, we can still finish higher than 8, so there still plenty to play for... MoPo has done an incredible job for this Club, so all these negative attitudes coming his way is uncalled for.. Lets get behind the team for the next battle.. COYRs FindAndDestroy

4:46pm Mon 17 Feb 14

lowe esteem says...

magnette wrote:
Pochettino did not put out a weakened team per se,

The only "weak" members was Kelvin Davis but even he has much experience at this level, and Guly who has played a few first team games this year.
Clyne is probably first choice right back and possible England candidate.
Hooi and Yosh are second choice but Fonte (shin) and Lovren are both injured.
Shaw is nailed on first team left back.
Wanyama is a marke signing and first choice,
Davies has been a regular first choice.
JWP has played more games than not.
Lambert/Lallana well no argument there.

The introduction of other first team players made little difference and Lambert missed a sitter.

A few points for you to consider: A while back Saints were 2/3rd in the league. They lost a few players to injury and tumbled to 10th. The team wins a million pounds for every position it gains in the league. The FA cup is a lottery that Saints have little chance of winning.

Pochettino has to marshall resources to achieve the long term best for the club. Which is gaining entry into the top six using sensible, sustainable investment into the club and progressing forward better than the other clubs by the training of young players and their staged introduction into the first team. It is not the clubs aim to throw caution to the wind for the possibility of a glory-or-bust day out to London for the fans; or do you think it would be wiser to follow the Portsmouth business model?
What a totally, ridiculous, far-fetched and piscine comparison, just because they're geographically close doesn't mean we have to behave in the opposite or not bother.
If we've a plan, we should fly a bit.
Hang on to your hats, new age football fans, be prepared for all the fun and flair of...holding on to 9th place.
Money for nothing, count me out.
[quote][p][bold]magnette[/bold] wrote: Pochettino did not put out a weakened team per se, The only "weak" members was Kelvin Davis but even he has much experience at this level, and Guly who has played a few first team games this year. Clyne is probably first choice right back and possible England candidate. Hooi and Yosh are second choice but Fonte (shin) and Lovren are both injured. Shaw is nailed on first team left back. Wanyama is a marke signing and first choice, Davies has been a regular first choice. JWP has played more games than not. Lambert/Lallana well no argument there. The introduction of other first team players made little difference and Lambert missed a sitter. A few points for you to consider: A while back Saints were 2/3rd in the league. They lost a few players to injury and tumbled to 10th. The team wins a million pounds for every position it gains in the league. The FA cup is a lottery that Saints have little chance of winning. Pochettino has to marshall resources to achieve the long term best for the club. Which is gaining entry into the top six using sensible, sustainable investment into the club and progressing forward better than the other clubs by the training of young players and their staged introduction into the first team. It is not the clubs aim to throw caution to the wind for the possibility of a glory-or-bust day out to London for the fans; or do you think it would be wiser to follow the Portsmouth business model?[/p][/quote]What a totally, ridiculous, far-fetched and piscine comparison, just because they're geographically close doesn't mean we have to behave in the opposite or not bother. If we've a plan, we should fly a bit. Hang on to your hats, new age football fans, be prepared for all the fun and flair of...holding on to 9th place. Money for nothing, count me out. lowe esteem

5:48pm Mon 17 Feb 14

bowl300 says...

prawn89 wrote:
yup, disappointing to say the least.

To be fair, the players who came in failed to step up. Surely the likes of Guly and Hoiveld just proved that they are just not up for it and should be shipped out if we have serious intentions to improve...

Mind you, we didn't do any better with a full strength side this season vs Sunderland.
"Mind you, we didn't do any better with a full strength side this season vs Sunderland."

Yes we did, we drew (twice). And that was against a full-strength Sunderland team desperate for points.
[quote][p][bold]prawn89[/bold] wrote: yup, disappointing to say the least. To be fair, the players who came in failed to step up. Surely the likes of Guly and Hoiveld just proved that they are just not up for it and should be shipped out if we have serious intentions to improve... Mind you, we didn't do any better with a full strength side this season vs Sunderland.[/p][/quote]"Mind you, we didn't do any better with a full strength side this season vs Sunderland." Yes we did, we drew (twice). And that was against a full-strength Sunderland team desperate for points. bowl300

6:07pm Mon 17 Feb 14

lowe esteem says...

saintrich wrote:
Did picking Davis over Boruc affect the match? Would Boruc have saved Gardner's shot?

Tim Howard didn't play for Everton yesterday, are they disrespecting the cup too?
You've asked a surprisingly interesting question there, SR, and I think Sunderland fans are very well qualified to answer this too.
[quote][p][bold]saintrich[/bold] wrote: Did picking Davis over Boruc affect the match? Would Boruc have saved Gardner's shot? Tim Howard didn't play for Everton yesterday, are they disrespecting the cup too?[/p][/quote]You've asked a surprisingly interesting question there, SR, and I think Sunderland fans are very well qualified to answer this too. lowe esteem

7:25pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Forest Saint says...

Spot on this time Echo. I've lost respect for Pocchetino now. I'm sure Katerina would have liked a day out at Wembley. I hope he goes in the summer because this was our bst chance for years for some real glory and he's jusdisrespected the fa cupd and let all the fans down. Come on Pocchetino spotop hiding behind Peres and justify yourself or will you just carry on arrogantly as you are
Spot on this time Echo. I've lost respect for Pocchetino now. I'm sure Katerina would have liked a day out at Wembley. I hope he goes in the summer because this was our bst chance for years for some real glory and he's jusdisrespected the fa cupd and let all the fans down. Come on Pocchetino spotop hiding behind Peres and justify yourself or will you just carry on arrogantly as you are Forest Saint

8:46pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Sadoldgitte says...

Salalal wrote:
Excellent article. The team selection was an insult to the fans. But, I wouldn't put the blame on Pochettino alone. Adkins selected the same useless fringe players for cup games, including the 3-0 League Cup defeat at Leeds last season.
Cortese made it plain he wasnt bothered about cup competitions and his legacy lives on.
[quote][p][bold]Salalal[/bold] wrote: Excellent article. The team selection was an insult to the fans. But, I wouldn't put the blame on Pochettino alone. Adkins selected the same useless fringe players for cup games, including the 3-0 League Cup defeat at Leeds last season.[/p][/quote]Cortese made it plain he wasnt bothered about cup competitions and his legacy lives on. Sadoldgitte

8:59pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Saint in Melbourne says...

Daily Echo, get a grip! The 11 that started on Saturday were more than capable of beating Sunderland, they just didn't play very well and were subsequently beaten. All the fans that are moaning about Saints disrespecting the cup need to get a grip as well.

Davis - club captain
Clyne and Shaw - U21 internationals, future England full backs
Yoshida - Japanese international, lauded for his recent displays
Jos - (did you see Fonte's shin during the week? That's why he played.
Wanyama - short listed for African player of the year
JWP - U21 international
Davis - Nothern Ireland captain
Lambert - England international
Lallana - England international
Guly - ?

Any fan who argues that this starting 11 isn't good enough to win any game needs a reality check.
Daily Echo, get a grip! The 11 that started on Saturday were more than capable of beating Sunderland, they just didn't play very well and were subsequently beaten. All the fans that are moaning about Saints disrespecting the cup need to get a grip as well. Davis - club captain Clyne and Shaw - U21 internationals, future England full backs Yoshida - Japanese international, lauded for his recent displays Jos - (did you see Fonte's shin during the week? That's why he played. Wanyama - short listed for African player of the year JWP - U21 international Davis - Nothern Ireland captain Lambert - England international Lallana - England international Guly - ? Any fan who argues that this starting 11 isn't good enough to win any game needs a reality check. Saint in Melbourne

9:18pm Mon 17 Feb 14

wagsta says...

Yeah de of course he should be......... the fans are that passionate about the cup that they can't even half fill the ground. Wake up &
smell the coffee cos league position is everything now. Catching manure is our next target. Get behind the team for the wham game.
Yeah de of course he should be......... the fans are that passionate about the cup that they can't even half fill the ground. Wake up & smell the coffee cos league position is everything now. Catching manure is our next target. Get behind the team for the wham game. wagsta

9:24pm Mon 17 Feb 14

wagsta says...

lowe esteem wrote:
magnette wrote:
Pochettino did not put out a weakened team per se,

The only "weak" members was Kelvin Davis but even he has much experience at this level, and Guly who has played a few first team games this year.
Clyne is probably first choice right back and possible England candidate.
Hooi and Yosh are second choice but Fonte (shin) and Lovren are both injured.
Shaw is nailed on first team left back.
Wanyama is a marke signing and first choice,
Davies has been a regular first choice.
JWP has played more games than not.
Lambert/Lallana well no argument there.

The introduction of other first team players made little difference and Lambert missed a sitter.

A few points for you to consider: A while back Saints were 2/3rd in the league. They lost a few players to injury and tumbled to 10th. The team wins a million pounds for every position it gains in the league. The FA cup is a lottery that Saints have little chance of winning.

Pochettino has to marshall resources to achieve the long term best for the club. Which is gaining entry into the top six using sensible, sustainable investment into the club and progressing forward better than the other clubs by the training of young players and their staged introduction into the first team. It is not the clubs aim to throw caution to the wind for the possibility of a glory-or-bust day out to London for the fans; or do you think it would be wiser to follow the Portsmouth business model?
What a totally, ridiculous, far-fetched and piscine comparison, just because they're geographically close doesn't mean we have to behave in the opposite or not bother.
If we've a plan, we should fly a bit.
Hang on to your hats, new age football fans, be prepared for all the fun and flair of...holding on to 9th place.
Money for nothing, count me out.
Bye!
[quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]magnette[/bold] wrote: Pochettino did not put out a weakened team per se, The only "weak" members was Kelvin Davis but even he has much experience at this level, and Guly who has played a few first team games this year. Clyne is probably first choice right back and possible England candidate. Hooi and Yosh are second choice but Fonte (shin) and Lovren are both injured. Shaw is nailed on first team left back. Wanyama is a marke signing and first choice, Davies has been a regular first choice. JWP has played more games than not. Lambert/Lallana well no argument there. The introduction of other first team players made little difference and Lambert missed a sitter. A few points for you to consider: A while back Saints were 2/3rd in the league. They lost a few players to injury and tumbled to 10th. The team wins a million pounds for every position it gains in the league. The FA cup is a lottery that Saints have little chance of winning. Pochettino has to marshall resources to achieve the long term best for the club. Which is gaining entry into the top six using sensible, sustainable investment into the club and progressing forward better than the other clubs by the training of young players and their staged introduction into the first team. It is not the clubs aim to throw caution to the wind for the possibility of a glory-or-bust day out to London for the fans; or do you think it would be wiser to follow the Portsmouth business model?[/p][/quote]What a totally, ridiculous, far-fetched and piscine comparison, just because they're geographically close doesn't mean we have to behave in the opposite or not bother. If we've a plan, we should fly a bit. Hang on to your hats, new age football fans, be prepared for all the fun and flair of...holding on to 9th place. Money for nothing, count me out.[/p][/quote]Bye! wagsta

9:48pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Salalal says...

Saint in Melbourne wrote:
Daily Echo, get a grip! The 11 that started on Saturday were more than capable of beating Sunderland, they just didn't play very well and were subsequently beaten. All the fans that are moaning about Saints disrespecting the cup need to get a grip as well.

Davis - club captain
Clyne and Shaw - U21 internationals, future England full backs
Yoshida - Japanese international, lauded for his recent displays
Jos - (did you see Fonte's shin during the week? That's why he played.
Wanyama - short listed for African player of the year
JWP - U21 international
Davis - Nothern Ireland captain
Lambert - England international
Lallana - England international
Guly - ?

Any fan who argues that this starting 11 isn't good enough to win any game needs a reality check.
We have NEVER beaten any Premier League side with K, Davis, Hooiveld and Guly in the team and we never will so it clearly isn't good enough.
[quote][p][bold]Saint in Melbourne[/bold] wrote: Daily Echo, get a grip! The 11 that started on Saturday were more than capable of beating Sunderland, they just didn't play very well and were subsequently beaten. All the fans that are moaning about Saints disrespecting the cup need to get a grip as well. Davis - club captain Clyne and Shaw - U21 internationals, future England full backs Yoshida - Japanese international, lauded for his recent displays Jos - (did you see Fonte's shin during the week? That's why he played. Wanyama - short listed for African player of the year JWP - U21 international Davis - Nothern Ireland captain Lambert - England international Lallana - England international Guly - ? Any fan who argues that this starting 11 isn't good enough to win any game needs a reality check.[/p][/quote]We have NEVER beaten any Premier League side with K, Davis, Hooiveld and Guly in the team and we never will so it clearly isn't good enough. Salalal

10:19pm Mon 17 Feb 14

lymicherry says...

Strange how the sports editor of a regional newspaper can tell a Premiership football manager how to do his job yet doesn't appear to know the difference between "infer" and "imply"...
Strange how the sports editor of a regional newspaper can tell a Premiership football manager how to do his job yet doesn't appear to know the difference between "infer" and "imply"... lymicherry

10:34pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Sammy2sheds says...

I think It is the right of supporters to question some club decisions
These people who accept everything the club does were the
Same ones nodding in agreement when Lowe was chairmen.
A lot of us fans are gutted and maybe poch will convey that to the players
So they go out and smash the hammers
I want to beat west ham real bad,the worst and the luckiest team in the premier league.
I think It is the right of supporters to question some club decisions These people who accept everything the club does were the Same ones nodding in agreement when Lowe was chairmen. A lot of us fans are gutted and maybe poch will convey that to the players So they go out and smash the hammers I want to beat west ham real bad,the worst and the luckiest team in the premier league. Sammy2sheds

7:59am Tue 18 Feb 14

Rising_Son says...

lowe esteem wrote:
magnette wrote:
Pochettino did not put out a weakened team per se,

The only "weak" members was Kelvin Davis but even he has much experience at this level, and Guly who has played a few first team games this year.
Clyne is probably first choice right back and possible England candidate.
Hooi and Yosh are second choice but Fonte (shin) and Lovren are both injured.
Shaw is nailed on first team left back.
Wanyama is a marke signing and first choice,
Davies has been a regular first choice.
JWP has played more games than not.
Lambert/Lallana well no argument there.

The introduction of other first team players made little difference and Lambert missed a sitter.

A few points for you to consider: A while back Saints were 2/3rd in the league. They lost a few players to injury and tumbled to 10th. The team wins a million pounds for every position it gains in the league. The FA cup is a lottery that Saints have little chance of winning.

Pochettino has to marshall resources to achieve the long term best for the club. Which is gaining entry into the top six using sensible, sustainable investment into the club and progressing forward better than the other clubs by the training of young players and their staged introduction into the first team. It is not the clubs aim to throw caution to the wind for the possibility of a glory-or-bust day out to London for the fans; or do you think it would be wiser to follow the Portsmouth business model?
What a totally, ridiculous, far-fetched and piscine comparison, just because they're geographically close doesn't mean we have to behave in the opposite or not bother.
If we've a plan, we should fly a bit.
Hang on to your hats, new age football fans, be prepared for all the fun and flair of...holding on to 9th place.
Money for nothing, count me out.
I think quite a few people on here would be happy to see you counted out. No names, though.
[quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]magnette[/bold] wrote: Pochettino did not put out a weakened team per se, The only "weak" members was Kelvin Davis but even he has much experience at this level, and Guly who has played a few first team games this year. Clyne is probably first choice right back and possible England candidate. Hooi and Yosh are second choice but Fonte (shin) and Lovren are both injured. Shaw is nailed on first team left back. Wanyama is a marke signing and first choice, Davies has been a regular first choice. JWP has played more games than not. Lambert/Lallana well no argument there. The introduction of other first team players made little difference and Lambert missed a sitter. A few points for you to consider: A while back Saints were 2/3rd in the league. They lost a few players to injury and tumbled to 10th. The team wins a million pounds for every position it gains in the league. The FA cup is a lottery that Saints have little chance of winning. Pochettino has to marshall resources to achieve the long term best for the club. Which is gaining entry into the top six using sensible, sustainable investment into the club and progressing forward better than the other clubs by the training of young players and their staged introduction into the first team. It is not the clubs aim to throw caution to the wind for the possibility of a glory-or-bust day out to London for the fans; or do you think it would be wiser to follow the Portsmouth business model?[/p][/quote]What a totally, ridiculous, far-fetched and piscine comparison, just because they're geographically close doesn't mean we have to behave in the opposite or not bother. If we've a plan, we should fly a bit. Hang on to your hats, new age football fans, be prepared for all the fun and flair of...holding on to 9th place. Money for nothing, count me out.[/p][/quote]I think quite a few people on here would be happy to see you counted out. No names, though. Rising_Son

8:05am Tue 18 Feb 14

Rising_Son says...

Forest Saint wrote:
Spot on this time Echo. I've lost respect for Pocchetino now. I'm sure Katerina would have liked a day out at Wembley. I hope he goes in the summer because this was our bst chance for years for some real glory and he's jusdisrespected the fa cupd and let all the fans down. Come on Pocchetino spotop hiding behind Peres and justify yourself or will you just carry on arrogantly as you are
"Katerina would have liked a day out at Wembley". What evidence have you got for that?
[quote][p][bold]Forest Saint[/bold] wrote: Spot on this time Echo. I've lost respect for Pocchetino now. I'm sure Katerina would have liked a day out at Wembley. I hope he goes in the summer because this was our bst chance for years for some real glory and he's jusdisrespected the fa cupd and let all the fans down. Come on Pocchetino spotop hiding behind Peres and justify yourself or will you just carry on arrogantly as you are[/p][/quote]"Katerina would have liked a day out at Wembley". What evidence have you got for that? Rising_Son

1:31am Wed 19 Feb 14

mikesugar says...

Let's face it Poch could have started with a strong line up killed the game off with three goals then subbed out the players he wanted to rest. He didn't want a cup run especially if it resulted in Europa cup. Now that is a competition that needs to go away.
Let's face it Poch could have started with a strong line up killed the game off with three goals then subbed out the players he wanted to rest. He didn't want a cup run especially if it resulted in Europa cup. Now that is a competition that needs to go away. mikesugar

2:05pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Totton_Saint_Andy says...

Pochettino's a disgrace, I can't believe he'd ever choose a side like this. The mans lost it after letting Fox got to Forest. Just pure ignorance to what he's done for the club since we were in League 1 like Adam, Morgan and Rickie. I'd love to see him sell them like he did Fox. Same goes for that idiot Osvaldo, waste of bloody money, we should stick with what we've got. I mean we've got half the England team anyway, so I dunno why we're messing about with the likes of Osvaldo. Rodriguez, Lallana, Lambert, Shaw, Clyne, JWP and Kelvin should all be going to Brazil with England. As will Fonte, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Yoshida and Guly for their respective countries. I mean we practically own the World Cup this time. So that's why I say get rid of idiots like this Pochettino, he doesn't understand the English game and I don't understand him. Tell you what I'd prefer?? If Nigel Adkins came back. Now there's a real manager. He built the team we have here today. If it wasn't for him, or anybody else with half a brain cell to rub together, we wouldn't be here!! People are so quick to forget that I think. I mean Adkins bought Hooiveld and.....errr... Hooiveld. He also bought us the small matter of back to back promotions, on a budget and squad that should've won both divisions, let alone promoted out of them. That's something you just can't argue with. And I almost forgot our 1st piece of pointless silverware in how many years???? I think people are just too ignorant and quick to forget what that man did for this club. Like being so ignorant and naïve sometimes, it almost worked!! Remember when he played De Ridder and Guly upfront away at Doncaster? We lost 1-0 and Billy Sharp scored? His tactics worked perfectly well, cuz later the next month, Sharp was scoring for Saints anyway.

So yeah, say what you like, how can we just get ourselves over this, when we know that with a simply better manager in charge, we could be sat in the FA Cup finals right now.... And what football fan can genuinely refuse that as something that's good for their club?! I don't care how many times this Pochettino has managed against Barcelona and Real Madrid. It'll never compare him to the fact that Adkins has won Championships and competed in Europe. Who could forget that he lead Bangor City to UEFA Cup ties against ÌA Akranes and Widzew Łódź?! Nothing to be sniffed at. So if we want to point a finger, point it at Cortese. He's the man who sacked Adkins and hired Pochettino in the name of 'progress' and this '5 year plan'. Well going out of the Cup is great bloody progress isn't it? But don't worry, it's not like we play the team that has most clean sheets this season, including picking up points away at Chelsea and Spurs. We haven't beaten West Ham in 4 attempts, but we would if Adkins was still here. Same with Sunderland, 6 attempts for them. But again, we would if Adkins were here. But all on board that HC bus, mate, 3 points Saturday, easy win, West Ham are ****, Andy Carroll is a stupid Geordie horse faced ****, etc etc.
Pochettino's a disgrace, I can't believe he'd ever choose a side like this. The mans lost it after letting Fox got to Forest. Just pure ignorance to what he's done for the club since we were in League 1 like Adam, Morgan and Rickie. I'd love to see him sell them like he did Fox. Same goes for that idiot Osvaldo, waste of bloody money, we should stick with what we've got. I mean we've got half the England team anyway, so I dunno why we're messing about with the likes of Osvaldo. Rodriguez, Lallana, Lambert, Shaw, Clyne, JWP and Kelvin should all be going to Brazil with England. As will Fonte, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Yoshida and Guly for their respective countries. I mean we practically own the World Cup this time. So that's why I say get rid of idiots like this Pochettino, he doesn't understand the English game and I don't understand him. Tell you what I'd prefer?? If Nigel Adkins came back. Now there's a real manager. He built the team we have here today. If it wasn't for him, or anybody else with half a brain cell to rub together, we wouldn't be here!! People are so quick to forget that I think. I mean Adkins bought Hooiveld and.....errr... Hooiveld. He also bought us the small matter of back to back promotions, on a budget and squad that should've won both divisions, let alone promoted out of them. That's something you just can't argue with. And I almost forgot our 1st piece of pointless silverware in how many years???? I think people are just too ignorant and quick to forget what that man did for this club. Like being so ignorant and naïve sometimes, it almost worked!! Remember when he played De Ridder and Guly upfront away at Doncaster? We lost 1-0 and Billy Sharp scored? His tactics worked perfectly well, cuz later the next month, Sharp was scoring for Saints anyway. So yeah, say what you like, how can we just get ourselves over this, when we know that with a simply better manager in charge, we could be sat in the FA Cup finals right now.... And what football fan can genuinely refuse that as something that's good for their club?! I don't care how many times this Pochettino has managed against Barcelona and Real Madrid. It'll never compare him to the fact that Adkins has won Championships and competed in Europe. Who could forget that he lead Bangor City to UEFA Cup ties against ÌA Akranes and Widzew Łódź?! Nothing to be sniffed at. So if we want to point a finger, point it at Cortese. He's the man who sacked Adkins and hired Pochettino in the name of 'progress' and this '5 year plan'. Well going out of the Cup is great bloody progress isn't it? But don't worry, it's not like we play the team that has most clean sheets this season, including picking up points away at Chelsea and Spurs. We haven't beaten West Ham in 4 attempts, but we would if Adkins was still here. Same with Sunderland, 6 attempts for them. But again, we would if Adkins were here. But all on board that HC bus, mate, 3 points Saturday, easy win, West Ham are ****, Andy Carroll is a stupid Geordie horse faced ****, etc etc. Totton_Saint_Andy

8:47am Thu 20 Feb 14

stokeser says...

ffs all the moaners .....if we won the premier league your all still be moaning..
ffs all the moaners .....if we won the premier league your all still be moaning.. stokeser

2:51pm Thu 20 Feb 14

lowe esteem says...

stokeser wrote:
ffs all the moaners .....if we won the premier league your all still be moaning..
Stop moaning ffs
[quote][p][bold]stokeser[/bold] wrote: ffs all the moaners .....if we won the premier league your all still be moaning..[/p][/quote]Stop moaning ffs lowe esteem

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