Promising day turns sour for Saints

Jay Rodriguez firing towards the back of the net to open the scores

Jay Rodriguez firing towards the back of the net to open the scores

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Saints let a two goal lead slip as they drew 2-2 against Sunderland at the Stadium of Light in the first game of the post-Nicola Cortese era.

After a week where Saints had been in the headlines for the resignation of their executive chairman and the appointment of club owner Katharina Liebherr to the board they had complete and utter domination of the majority of the game against the Black Cats and could have had it easily sewn up by half time.

They paid the price for failing to do that as goals from Jay Rodriguez and Dejan Lovren were cancelled out by strikes from Fabio Borini and Adam Johnson as it ended all square.

To make things worse both Gaston Ramirez and Lovren were stretchered off towards the end with very serious looking ankle injuries.

Sunderland went into the game brimming with confidence after the 4-1 victory at Fulham and anticipating Wednesday night's Capital One Cup semi-final, second leg trip to Manchester United.

But to Poyet's horror, what unfolded during the opening 45 minutes was the antithesis of what he had seen at Craven Cottage as slick Southampton out-thought, out-muscled and out-played his side.

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With Jack Cork anchoring the midfield, Steven Davis, Morgan Schneiderlin and Adam Lallana had the freedom to exploit the space between the red and white lines, and the visitors threatened to run riot.

They took the lead when Rodriguez made the most of Marcos Alonso's failure to clear his lines, teeing himself up to fire firmly into the bottom corner from the edge of the box with goalkeeper Vito Mannone helpless.

It could have been 2-0 with 18 minutes gone when Johnson deflected Luke Shaw's cross on to the post with Mannone wrong-footed, and Lambert wasted a glorious opportunity three minutes later when he shot across the face of goal from Schneiderlin's pass.

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Rodriguez should have doubled his tally with 29 minutes played when Rickie Lambert robbed Wes Brown after the defender took a poor first touch and fed him, but he shot tamely at Mannone.

But the keeper was beaten again two minutes later when central defender Lovren met Davis' corner ahead of Brown and volleyed home.

However, seconds later Johnson crossed from the right for Borini to control and scuff a shot past keeper Artur Boruc, who got a hand to the ball, but could not keep it out.

The Saints continued with their progressive approach in the second half and Davis fired over from distance full-back Shaw was allowed to run from his own half and thump a shot into Mannone's midriff.

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Fellow defender Calum Chambers called up Mannone once again with a speculative 55th-minute effort, and the Italian needed two attempts to collect Rodriguez's effort seconds later after Schneiderlin and Lallana had capitalised on Brown's wayward pass.

The keeper denied Lovren and Shaw again within seconds as the hour-mark arrived, and he was relieved to see Rodriguez fire into the side-netting under pressure from Phil Bardsley after Lallana and Lambert had combined.

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Borini thought he had levelled after being played in by substitute Craig Gardner with 64 minutes gone, but he did so from an offside position and the strike was correctly chalked off.

But they were not to be denied and Gardner was the provider once again with 19 minutes remaining when he fed Johnson on the right and saw him smash a rising shot past Boruc's less than effective defences and into the roof of the net.

The Poland international saved from Gardner and fellow substitute Steven Fletcher in quick succession as Sunderland went for broke, and it was the Saints who were more grateful to hear the final whistle after having substitute Ramirez and Lovren carried off within seconds of each other.

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3:12pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Confucious says...

Of course a draw feels bad after being two up. But on reflection any away point in the Prem is to be celebrated - especially after the bad week we've had in the back room.

One thing for sure, expressing negativity might make some feel better, but it won't do one jot of good. Keep the faith.

FA Cup next week so hopefully, hopefully, hopefully, within two weeks Lovren can be back.
Of course a draw feels bad after being two up. But on reflection any away point in the Prem is to be celebrated - especially after the bad week we've had in the back room. One thing for sure, expressing negativity might make some feel better, but it won't do one jot of good. Keep the faith. FA Cup next week so hopefully, hopefully, hopefully, within two weeks Lovren can be back. Confucious
  • Score: 8

3:15pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Norwegian Saint says...

I'm sad we didn't get the win after such a top performance in the first half.
We need a striker (Rooney?:-) and a defender.
I'm sad we didn't get the win after such a top performance in the first half. We need a striker (Rooney?:-) and a defender. Norwegian Saint
  • Score: 2

3:25pm Sat 18 Jan 14

DisplacedFan says...

Confucious wrote:
Of course a draw feels bad after being two up. But on reflection any away point in the Prem is to be celebrated - especially after the bad week we've had in the back room.

One thing for sure, expressing negativity might make some feel better, but it won't do one jot of good. Keep the faith.

FA Cup next week so hopefully, hopefully, hopefully, within two weeks Lovren can be back.
Constructive criticism is not negative and is part of a healthy discussion.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Of course a draw feels bad after being two up. But on reflection any away point in the Prem is to be celebrated - especially after the bad week we've had in the back room. One thing for sure, expressing negativity might make some feel better, but it won't do one jot of good. Keep the faith. FA Cup next week so hopefully, hopefully, hopefully, within two weeks Lovren can be back.[/p][/quote]Constructive criticism is not negative and is part of a healthy discussion. DisplacedFan
  • Score: -6

3:34pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Rising_Son says...

DisplacedFan wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Of course a draw feels bad after being two up. But on reflection any away point in the Prem is to be celebrated - especially after the bad week we've had in the back room.

One thing for sure, expressing negativity might make some feel better, but it won't do one jot of good. Keep the faith.

FA Cup next week so hopefully, hopefully, hopefully, within two weeks Lovren can be back.
Constructive criticism is not negative and is part of a healthy discussion.
But much of the criticism on here is simply blaming/villifying individual players, which is rarely constructive.
[quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Of course a draw feels bad after being two up. But on reflection any away point in the Prem is to be celebrated - especially after the bad week we've had in the back room. One thing for sure, expressing negativity might make some feel better, but it won't do one jot of good. Keep the faith. FA Cup next week so hopefully, hopefully, hopefully, within two weeks Lovren can be back.[/p][/quote]Constructive criticism is not negative and is part of a healthy discussion.[/p][/quote]But much of the criticism on here is simply blaming/villifying individual players, which is rarely constructive. Rising_Son
  • Score: 1

3:35pm Sat 18 Jan 14

markodarko29 says...

was it me i watched the game on bt ,but that was a terrible tackle on remirez on the edge of the box ,i think the ref bottled it cause brown was booked already ,unbeleivable .saints should have scored 4 in the first half but seemed to be out battled in second ,sunderland dirtiest team in prem .for me ricky is struggling at moment maybe west ham 7m good option for all
was it me i watched the game on bt ,but that was a terrible tackle on remirez on the edge of the box ,i think the ref bottled it cause brown was booked already ,unbeleivable .saints should have scored 4 in the first half but seemed to be out battled in second ,sunderland dirtiest team in prem .for me ricky is struggling at moment maybe west ham 7m good option for all markodarko29
  • Score: 1

3:43pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Costa Baz says...

I texted my son to say it was reminding me of the Villa game.
Could easily have ended up the same score, so grateful, in the end, for the point.

Just need to kill off games. We've known this all season. With Gaston now likely to be out for a while, maybe a chance to bring someone in? Please, KL.

Have to admire the way we still went looking for a winner, even after losing the two players.
I texted my son to say it was reminding me of the Villa game. Could easily have ended up the same score, so grateful, in the end, for the point. Just need to kill off games. We've known this all season. With Gaston now likely to be out for a while, maybe a chance to bring someone in? Please, KL. Have to admire the way we still went looking for a winner, even after losing the two players. Costa Baz
  • Score: 2

3:56pm Sat 18 Jan 14

DisplacedFan says...

Rising_Son wrote:
DisplacedFan wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Of course a draw feels bad after being two up. But on reflection any away point in the Prem is to be celebrated - especially after the bad week we've had in the back room.

One thing for sure, expressing negativity might make some feel better, but it won't do one jot of good. Keep the faith.

FA Cup next week so hopefully, hopefully, hopefully, within two weeks Lovren can be back.
Constructive criticism is not negative and is part of a healthy discussion.
But much of the criticism on here is simply blaming/villifying individual players, which is rarely constructive.
If that is the criticism you are referring to, then I agree. But we need a striker.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Of course a draw feels bad after being two up. But on reflection any away point in the Prem is to be celebrated - especially after the bad week we've had in the back room. One thing for sure, expressing negativity might make some feel better, but it won't do one jot of good. Keep the faith. FA Cup next week so hopefully, hopefully, hopefully, within two weeks Lovren can be back.[/p][/quote]Constructive criticism is not negative and is part of a healthy discussion.[/p][/quote]But much of the criticism on here is simply blaming/villifying individual players, which is rarely constructive.[/p][/quote]If that is the criticism you are referring to, then I agree. But we need a striker. DisplacedFan
  • Score: 1

4:02pm Sat 18 Jan 14

JohnItaly says...

Once again Saints have dominated a game but failed to secure 3pts. Somewhere someone will have statistics that show goals scored against goal attempts - both on and of target. I suspect, unfortunately, Saints' statistics will not make particularly good reading. It is an area that has to be addressed. It may become more crucial if Lovren's injury has him on the sidelines for a few games as the defence will inevitably miss his presence.
Once again Saints have dominated a game but failed to secure 3pts. Somewhere someone will have statistics that show goals scored against goal attempts - both on and of target. I suspect, unfortunately, Saints' statistics will not make particularly good reading. It is an area that has to be addressed. It may become more crucial if Lovren's injury has him on the sidelines for a few games as the defence will inevitably miss his presence. JohnItaly
  • Score: 3

4:03pm Sat 18 Jan 14

DisplacedFan says...

If Newcastle win today we will lose even more ground on moving up.
If Newcastle win today we will lose even more ground on moving up. DisplacedFan
  • Score: 1

4:07pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Southampton boy says...

What was the difference between the two side we had 10 or more on target they had 4 we scored 2 they scored2 need to put mire away
What was the difference between the two side we had 10 or more on target they had 4 we scored 2 they scored2 need to put mire away Southampton boy
  • Score: 3

4:18pm Sat 18 Jan 14

NC Fan4Life says...

DisplacedFan wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Of course a draw feels bad after being two up. But on reflection any away point in the Prem is to be celebrated - especially after the bad week we've had in the back room.

One thing for sure, expressing negativity might make some feel better, but it won't do one jot of good. Keep the faith.

FA Cup next week so hopefully, hopefully, hopefully, within two weeks Lovren can be back.
Constructive criticism is not negative and is part of a healthy discussion.
There has been a lot said since Wednesday and much of it misplaced criticism, negative & rude to individuals involved with the club. Marcus along with Nichola saved our club for which we will be eternally grateful. Nichola was the driving force that has both secured us financially and taken us back to where we belong and with dreams of Europe and we must thank him for that. At the start of the season we would all have grabbed the current league position with both hands. Katharina to her credit has honored Marcus's five year commitment so she must also be thanked.
SFC is no longer a low league one club but is now competing in the top half of the Premiership and as a much larger business that is now envied by others. However it is not his money so you cannot blame Katharina for wanting more involvement with the growing business especially if Nichola was asking her for a much bigger investment to take us to an even higher level. Equally Nichola should realize that he would not have full control of SFC as it grew larger and Katharina is not foolish enough to allow him free hand with her money. Apparently she did want him to stay so it appears that Nichola did not want to relinquish any of his power, yet wanted her to substancially increase her investment.
Katharina comes from a strong business background with good advisers so will not allow the club to slip back into decline. I would expect her to appoint a CEO to continue to take the club forward as her father would have wanted. If that is the case then again we should be grateful. However if that is not the case and has decided to sell then she will want the club to be at its highest value with all its assets. Therefore provided she sells to someone who wants to take the club forward, which I an sure she would as she would not want to she her fathers investment to be wasted.
Either way we should be pleased to have her as our owner and our club will still have a much better future than most.
A final thought, Nichola replaced two good managers in order to take us up each level so maybe it is now Nichola's turn to be replaced !
The future is still secure - have faith while we evolve again.
Come on you Saints
[quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Of course a draw feels bad after being two up. But on reflection any away point in the Prem is to be celebrated - especially after the bad week we've had in the back room. One thing for sure, expressing negativity might make some feel better, but it won't do one jot of good. Keep the faith. FA Cup next week so hopefully, hopefully, hopefully, within two weeks Lovren can be back.[/p][/quote]Constructive criticism is not negative and is part of a healthy discussion.[/p][/quote]There has been a lot said since Wednesday and much of it misplaced criticism, negative & rude to individuals involved with the club. Marcus along with Nichola saved our club for which we will be eternally grateful. Nichola was the driving force that has both secured us financially and taken us back to where we belong and with dreams of Europe and we must thank him for that. At the start of the season we would all have grabbed the current league position with both hands. Katharina to her credit has honored Marcus's five year commitment so she must also be thanked. SFC is no longer a low league one club but is now competing in the top half of the Premiership and as a much larger business that is now envied by others. However it is not his money so you cannot blame Katharina for wanting more involvement with the growing business especially if Nichola was asking her for a much bigger investment to take us to an even higher level. Equally Nichola should realize that he would not have full control of SFC as it grew larger and Katharina is not foolish enough to allow him free hand with her money. Apparently she did want him to stay so it appears that Nichola did not want to relinquish any of his power, yet wanted her to substancially increase her investment. Katharina comes from a strong business background with good advisers so will not allow the club to slip back into decline. I would expect her to appoint a CEO to continue to take the club forward as her father would have wanted. If that is the case then again we should be grateful. However if that is not the case and has decided to sell then she will want the club to be at its highest value with all its assets. Therefore provided she sells to someone who wants to take the club forward, which I an sure she would as she would not want to she her fathers investment to be wasted. Either way we should be pleased to have her as our owner and our club will still have a much better future than most. A final thought, Nichola replaced two good managers in order to take us up each level so maybe it is now Nichola's turn to be replaced ! The future is still secure - have faith while we evolve again. Come on you Saints NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 3

4:18pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Norwegian Saint says...

And Poopey go behind... If it stays like that and Torquay win or draw Poopey are in the relegation places :-D
Will they put that in there history books??? :-D
And Poopey go behind... If it stays like that and Torquay win or draw Poopey are in the relegation places :-D Will they put that in there history books??? :-D Norwegian Saint
  • Score: 3

5:14pm Sat 18 Jan 14

saintlysoul says...

Shouldn't let a 2 goal lead slip at this level. Spider poor AGAIN, Davis poor , Llana poor yet changes are made at a time when it's too late for any impact to be made. Shaw at fault for both goals showing that all the hype about him is nonsense. If he's transferred to one if these bigs clubs supposedly interested in him it will be interesting to see if he maintains a starting place I very much doubt it!!!! I have heard that the club will be sold and that before sale the top players will be sold as apparently when football clubs are sold they are a more viable proposition to a prospective purchaser if there is money in the bank. I doubt very much if MP will stay he apparently spoke with the team this week and told them he was staying. NA said the same thing to the team and 2 weeks later he left. Time will tell but there are clearly dramatic changes afoot.
Shouldn't let a 2 goal lead slip at this level. Spider poor AGAIN, Davis poor , Llana poor yet changes are made at a time when it's too late for any impact to be made. Shaw at fault for both goals showing that all the hype about him is nonsense. If he's transferred to one if these bigs clubs supposedly interested in him it will be interesting to see if he maintains a starting place I very much doubt it!!!! I have heard that the club will be sold and that before sale the top players will be sold as apparently when football clubs are sold they are a more viable proposition to a prospective purchaser if there is money in the bank. I doubt very much if MP will stay he apparently spoke with the team this week and told them he was staying. NA said the same thing to the team and 2 weeks later he left. Time will tell but there are clearly dramatic changes afoot. saintlysoul
  • Score: -7

5:19pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Clever Dick says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
DisplacedFan wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Of course a draw feels bad after being two up. But on reflection any away point in the Prem is to be celebrated - especially after the bad week we've had in the back room.

One thing for sure, expressing negativity might make some feel better, but it won't do one jot of good. Keep the faith.

FA Cup next week so hopefully, hopefully, hopefully, within two weeks Lovren can be back.
Constructive criticism is not negative and is part of a healthy discussion.
There has been a lot said since Wednesday and much of it misplaced criticism, negative & rude to individuals involved with the club. Marcus along with Nichola saved our club for which we will be eternally grateful. Nichola was the driving force that has both secured us financially and taken us back to where we belong and with dreams of Europe and we must thank him for that. At the start of the season we would all have grabbed the current league position with both hands. Katharina to her credit has honored Marcus's five year commitment so she must also be thanked.
SFC is no longer a low league one club but is now competing in the top half of the Premiership and as a much larger business that is now envied by others. However it is not his money so you cannot blame Katharina for wanting more involvement with the growing business especially if Nichola was asking her for a much bigger investment to take us to an even higher level. Equally Nichola should realize that he would not have full control of SFC as it grew larger and Katharina is not foolish enough to allow him free hand with her money. Apparently she did want him to stay so it appears that Nichola did not want to relinquish any of his power, yet wanted her to substancially increase her investment.
Katharina comes from a strong business background with good advisers so will not allow the club to slip back into decline. I would expect her to appoint a CEO to continue to take the club forward as her father would have wanted. If that is the case then again we should be grateful. However if that is not the case and has decided to sell then she will want the club to be at its highest value with all its assets. Therefore provided she sells to someone who wants to take the club forward, which I an sure she would as she would not want to she her fathers investment to be wasted.
Either way we should be pleased to have her as our owner and our club will still have a much better future than most.
A final thought, Nichola replaced two good managers in order to take us up each level so maybe it is now Nichola's turn to be replaced !
The future is still secure - have faith while we evolve again.
Come on you Saints
I guess it all comes down to what was written in that will. If the five year commitment was all it covered then she will be looking to sell. If the Liebherr family want to continue with his legacy then they will be looking to continue the meteoric rise.
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Of course a draw feels bad after being two up. But on reflection any away point in the Prem is to be celebrated - especially after the bad week we've had in the back room. One thing for sure, expressing negativity might make some feel better, but it won't do one jot of good. Keep the faith. FA Cup next week so hopefully, hopefully, hopefully, within two weeks Lovren can be back.[/p][/quote]Constructive criticism is not negative and is part of a healthy discussion.[/p][/quote]There has been a lot said since Wednesday and much of it misplaced criticism, negative & rude to individuals involved with the club. Marcus along with Nichola saved our club for which we will be eternally grateful. Nichola was the driving force that has both secured us financially and taken us back to where we belong and with dreams of Europe and we must thank him for that. At the start of the season we would all have grabbed the current league position with both hands. Katharina to her credit has honored Marcus's five year commitment so she must also be thanked. SFC is no longer a low league one club but is now competing in the top half of the Premiership and as a much larger business that is now envied by others. However it is not his money so you cannot blame Katharina for wanting more involvement with the growing business especially if Nichola was asking her for a much bigger investment to take us to an even higher level. Equally Nichola should realize that he would not have full control of SFC as it grew larger and Katharina is not foolish enough to allow him free hand with her money. Apparently she did want him to stay so it appears that Nichola did not want to relinquish any of his power, yet wanted her to substancially increase her investment. Katharina comes from a strong business background with good advisers so will not allow the club to slip back into decline. I would expect her to appoint a CEO to continue to take the club forward as her father would have wanted. If that is the case then again we should be grateful. However if that is not the case and has decided to sell then she will want the club to be at its highest value with all its assets. Therefore provided she sells to someone who wants to take the club forward, which I an sure she would as she would not want to she her fathers investment to be wasted. Either way we should be pleased to have her as our owner and our club will still have a much better future than most. A final thought, Nichola replaced two good managers in order to take us up each level so maybe it is now Nichola's turn to be replaced ! The future is still secure - have faith while we evolve again. Come on you Saints[/p][/quote]I guess it all comes down to what was written in that will. If the five year commitment was all it covered then she will be looking to sell. If the Liebherr family want to continue with his legacy then they will be looking to continue the meteoric rise. Clever Dick
  • Score: 0

5:52pm Sat 18 Jan 14

swesaint says...

Two goal leads need to be 3 points in the PL especially with our ambition and playing bottom of the table. Ref had a shocker at the end ki holds gastons shirt and we get advantage but no second yellow and then the tackle from behind.
Two goal leads need to be 3 points in the PL especially with our ambition and playing bottom of the table. Ref had a shocker at the end ki holds gastons shirt and we get advantage but no second yellow and then the tackle from behind. swesaint
  • Score: 0

5:53pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Thornhill Saint says...

Very gutsy dominant performance by Saints today. Considering below par performances could have been blamed on the "instability at the club", the players turning on the style like that made me even more proud to supot Saints

Gaston was looking good. Such a shame! I wish him and Dejan a speedy recovery.

COYS
Very gutsy dominant performance by Saints today. Considering below par performances could have been blamed on the "instability at the club", the players turning on the style like that made me even more proud to supot Saints Gaston was looking good. Such a shame! I wish him and Dejan a speedy recovery. COYS Thornhill Saint
  • Score: 4

5:54pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Simmo13 says...

markodarko29 wrote:
was it me i watched the game on bt ,but that was a terrible tackle on remirez on the edge of the box ,i think the ref bottled it cause brown was booked already ,unbeleivable .saints should have scored 4 in the first half but seemed to be out battled in second ,sunderland dirtiest team in prem .for me ricky is struggling at moment maybe west ham 7m good option for all
Agree
[quote][p][bold]markodarko29[/bold] wrote: was it me i watched the game on bt ,but that was a terrible tackle on remirez on the edge of the box ,i think the ref bottled it cause brown was booked already ,unbeleivable .saints should have scored 4 in the first half but seemed to be out battled in second ,sunderland dirtiest team in prem .for me ricky is struggling at moment maybe west ham 7m good option for all[/p][/quote]Agree Simmo13
  • Score: 1

5:56pm Sat 18 Jan 14

swesaint says...

Yet again naive defending right after scoring, how many times is it going to happen? Their second was a carbon copy of several conceded this season. Acres of space and players all out of position.
Yet again naive defending right after scoring, how many times is it going to happen? Their second was a carbon copy of several conceded this season. Acres of space and players all out of position. swesaint
  • Score: 4

7:03pm Sat 18 Jan 14

saintlysoul says...

swesaint wrote:
Yet again naive defending right after scoring, how many times is it going to happen? Their second was a carbon copy of several conceded this season. Acres of space and players all out of position.
Good point. Shaw is pedestrian at times and has no urgency about his game. He clearly thinks he's better than he is and all this hype is ruining him
[quote][p][bold]swesaint[/bold] wrote: Yet again naive defending right after scoring, how many times is it going to happen? Their second was a carbon copy of several conceded this season. Acres of space and players all out of position.[/p][/quote]Good point. Shaw is pedestrian at times and has no urgency about his game. He clearly thinks he's better than he is and all this hype is ruining him saintlysoul
  • Score: 1

7:08pm Sat 18 Jan 14

right back in the bar says...

saintlysoul wrote:
Shouldn't let a 2 goal lead slip at this level. Spider poor AGAIN, Davis poor , Llana poor yet changes are made at a time when it's too late for any impact to be made. Shaw at fault for both goals showing that all the hype about him is nonsense. If he's transferred to one if these bigs clubs supposedly interested in him it will be interesting to see if he maintains a starting place I very much doubt it!!!! I have heard that the club will be sold and that before sale the top players will be sold as apparently when football clubs are sold they are a more viable proposition to a prospective purchaser if there is money in the bank. I doubt very much if MP will stay he apparently spoke with the team this week and told them he was staying. NA said the same thing to the team and 2 weeks later he left. Time will tell but there are clearly dramatic changes afoot.
what a load of bolox - like someone else said on here, criticism of individual players serves no constructive purpose but these comments are just rubbish. We did not gamble enough to go and win the game when we were dominating is all - its was a good point considering all thats gone on this week and much as it pains me to say Sunderland are a reinvigorated team under the odious Uruguayan. just get along to St Marys next week and support the team.
[quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: Shouldn't let a 2 goal lead slip at this level. Spider poor AGAIN, Davis poor , Llana poor yet changes are made at a time when it's too late for any impact to be made. Shaw at fault for both goals showing that all the hype about him is nonsense. If he's transferred to one if these bigs clubs supposedly interested in him it will be interesting to see if he maintains a starting place I very much doubt it!!!! I have heard that the club will be sold and that before sale the top players will be sold as apparently when football clubs are sold they are a more viable proposition to a prospective purchaser if there is money in the bank. I doubt very much if MP will stay he apparently spoke with the team this week and told them he was staying. NA said the same thing to the team and 2 weeks later he left. Time will tell but there are clearly dramatic changes afoot.[/p][/quote]what a load of bolox - like someone else said on here, criticism of individual players serves no constructive purpose but these comments are just rubbish. We did not gamble enough to go and win the game when we were dominating is all - its was a good point considering all thats gone on this week and much as it pains me to say Sunderland are a reinvigorated team under the odious Uruguayan. just get along to St Marys next week and support the team. right back in the bar
  • Score: 0

7:27pm Sat 18 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

I think it is Poyet that has more to worry about, his team didn't turn up until they were 2 down, they aren't as bad a team as their league position would suggest, but unless their players are prepared to give 100% from the start of the match, they will get beaten more often than not.
I think it is Poyet that has more to worry about, his team didn't turn up until they were 2 down, they aren't as bad a team as their league position would suggest, but unless their players are prepared to give 100% from the start of the match, they will get beaten more often than not. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

7:31pm Sat 18 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

DisplacedFan wrote:
If Newcastle win today we will lose even more ground on moving up.
Still seven points ahead of the chasing pack though, although with good players out injured again, I suspect we may be vulnerable in the future.
[quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: If Newcastle win today we will lose even more ground on moving up.[/p][/quote]Still seven points ahead of the chasing pack though, although with good players out injured again, I suspect we may be vulnerable in the future. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

7:37pm Sat 18 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

saintlysoul wrote:
Shouldn't let a 2 goal lead slip at this level. Spider poor AGAIN, Davis poor , Llana poor yet changes are made at a time when it's too late for any impact to be made. Shaw at fault for both goals showing that all the hype about him is nonsense. If he's transferred to one if these bigs clubs supposedly interested in him it will be interesting to see if he maintains a starting place I very much doubt it!!!! I have heard that the club will be sold and that before sale the top players will be sold as apparently when football clubs are sold they are a more viable proposition to a prospective purchaser if there is money in the bank. I doubt very much if MP will stay he apparently spoke with the team this week and told them he was staying. NA said the same thing to the team and 2 weeks later he left. Time will tell but there are clearly dramatic changes afoot.
Well Villa just did it so it's not unique. You are soooooooooo negative.
[quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: Shouldn't let a 2 goal lead slip at this level. Spider poor AGAIN, Davis poor , Llana poor yet changes are made at a time when it's too late for any impact to be made. Shaw at fault for both goals showing that all the hype about him is nonsense. If he's transferred to one if these bigs clubs supposedly interested in him it will be interesting to see if he maintains a starting place I very much doubt it!!!! I have heard that the club will be sold and that before sale the top players will be sold as apparently when football clubs are sold they are a more viable proposition to a prospective purchaser if there is money in the bank. I doubt very much if MP will stay he apparently spoke with the team this week and told them he was staying. NA said the same thing to the team and 2 weeks later he left. Time will tell but there are clearly dramatic changes afoot.[/p][/quote]Well Villa just did it so it's not unique. You are soooooooooo negative. OSPREYSAINT
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10:07pm Sat 18 Jan 14

mack chinnon says...

saintlysoul wrote:
Shouldn't let a 2 goal lead slip at this level. Spider poor AGAIN, Davis poor , Llana poor yet changes are made at a time when it's too late for any impact to be made. Shaw at fault for both goals showing that all the hype about him is nonsense. If he's transferred to one if these bigs clubs supposedly interested in him it will be interesting to see if he maintains a starting place I very much doubt it!!!! I have heard that the club will be sold and that before sale the top players will be sold as apparently when football clubs are sold they are a more viable proposition to a prospective purchaser if there is money in the bank. I doubt very much if MP will stay he apparently spoke with the team this week and told them he was staying. NA said the same thing to the team and 2 weeks later he left. Time will tell but there are clearly dramatic changes afoot.
We've been through plenty of dramatic changes in the last 5 years Mr Soul.
[quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: Shouldn't let a 2 goal lead slip at this level. Spider poor AGAIN, Davis poor , Llana poor yet changes are made at a time when it's too late for any impact to be made. Shaw at fault for both goals showing that all the hype about him is nonsense. If he's transferred to one if these bigs clubs supposedly interested in him it will be interesting to see if he maintains a starting place I very much doubt it!!!! I have heard that the club will be sold and that before sale the top players will be sold as apparently when football clubs are sold they are a more viable proposition to a prospective purchaser if there is money in the bank. I doubt very much if MP will stay he apparently spoke with the team this week and told them he was staying. NA said the same thing to the team and 2 weeks later he left. Time will tell but there are clearly dramatic changes afoot.[/p][/quote]We've been through plenty of dramatic changes in the last 5 years Mr Soul. mack chinnon
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