FA clear Mark Clattenburg

Basingstoke Gazette: FA clear Mark Clattenburg FA clear Mark Clattenburg

The Football Association has cleared Mark Clattenburg of any wrongdoing following the alleged comments made to Adam Lallana.

Saints took their complaint to the FA when the Professional Game Match Officials Limited ruled that there was no case to answer.

But the FA has responded in similar fashion.

An FA statement says: "The FA can confirm it received a complaint from Southampton concerning referee Mark Clattenburg and his alleged comments made to their player Adam Lallana.

"The FA has given its full consideration to this matter and it is our view that the comments, as disclosed in Southampton’s letter of complaint, do not constitute misconduct under The FA’s Rules.

"Consequently, The FA will not be taking any further action in relation to this matter and now considers this case to be closed."

Saints are understood to be prepared to draw a line under the incident now but believe it will be very difficult for Clattenburg to be able to officiate any of their future matches following the controversy.

The club are also believed to feel that the situation has highlighted a number of flaws in the system, and that similar complaints in the future should be looked at by an independent panel rather than by the PGMOL body which includes former referees.

Furthermore, Saints are adding their support to the growing calls for all referees' communications to be recorded during matches to remove any grey areas over conversations had between players and officials, something which many are surprised is not already happening in every professional match.

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3:15pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Confucious says...

I hope this incident doesn't sour our relationship with all the other members of the Referees Union - to our cost!
I hope this incident doesn't sour our relationship with all the other members of the Referees Union - to our cost! Confucious
  • Score: 8

3:19pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Jesus_02 says...

You are right to fear the referees asscoiation... We are not Everton after all
You are right to fear the referees asscoiation... We are not Everton after all Jesus_02
  • Score: 3

3:31pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Outside of the Box says...

It was pretty silly in the 1st place, hopefully we won't see Clattenburg at our games for the next 5 years, however will probably get him on Saturday, knowing our luck and the old guffs at the FA.
It was pretty silly in the 1st place, hopefully we won't see Clattenburg at our games for the next 5 years, however will probably get him on Saturday, knowing our luck and the old guffs at the FA. Outside of the Box
  • Score: 10

3:32pm Mon 6 Jan 14

willygetaway says...

they are just as bent as the feekin refs ( imo)
they are just as bent as the feekin refs ( imo) willygetaway
  • Score: -7

3:37pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Jesus_02 says...

The FA have NOT cleared Clattenburg...They has been no investigation.

"The FA has given its full consideration to this matter and it is our view that the comments, as disclosed in Southampton’s letter of complaint, do not constitute misconduct under The FA’s Rules.

Consequently, The FA will not be taking any further action in relation to this matter and now considers this case to be closed"

They have also been very careful to avoid what was actually been said
The FA have NOT cleared Clattenburg...They has been no investigation. "The FA has given its full consideration to this matter and it is our view that the comments, as disclosed in Southampton’s letter of complaint, do not constitute misconduct under The FA’s Rules. Consequently, The FA will not be taking any further action in relation to this matter and now considers this case to be closed" They have also been very careful to avoid what was actually been said Jesus_02
  • Score: 3

3:39pm Mon 6 Jan 14

BracknellSaint says...

It was never going to succeed, but if it (a) keeps Clattenberg away from our games, and (b) gets into the refs' heads, so we get some favourable decisons for a change, it will have done it's job, Fergie style.
It was never going to succeed, but if it (a) keeps Clattenberg away from our games, and (b) gets into the refs' heads, so we get some favourable decisons for a change, it will have done it's job, Fergie style. BracknellSaint
  • Score: 8

3:42pm Mon 6 Jan 14

RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE says...

Lets wipe our mouths and move on there's bigger fish to fry.....lets win all our games and win the FA cup !!!!
Lets wipe our mouths and move on there's bigger fish to fry.....lets win all our games and win the FA cup !!!! RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE
  • Score: 7

4:01pm Mon 6 Jan 14

red/whitearmy says...

Referees are too over protected by the **** All. The F.A. will never punish refs but punish players and managers for speaking out. The trouble is we never know what is said between players and refs. The refs want respect but that also goes the other way.
Referees are too over protected by the **** All. The F.A. will never punish refs but punish players and managers for speaking out. The trouble is we never know what is said between players and refs. The refs want respect but that also goes the other way. red/whitearmy
  • Score: 1

4:03pm Mon 6 Jan 14

el caballo santos101 says...

well that's that then. a very good piece of work by the don. he would have known that this wouldn't go anywhere in the first place but this is the telling statement, "Saints are understood to be prepared to draw a line under the incident now but believe it will be very difficult for Clattenburg to be able to officiate any of their future matches following the controversy. "
this whole incident was done in order to keep clutterbrain away from our games. as seed has said before, this was a business decision. clutterbrains howlers against us is not just costing us points but millions of pounds as well. NC has never worried about what the press think of us, don't forget that during the photo stoppage the sun wouldn't even print our name, referring to us as `the south coast outfit` etc.
lets concentrate on getting 3ps from the next game now.
well that's that then. a very good piece of work by the don. he would have known that this wouldn't go anywhere in the first place but this is the telling statement, "Saints are understood to be prepared to draw a line under the incident now but believe it will be very difficult for Clattenburg to be able to officiate any of their future matches following the controversy. " this whole incident was done in order to keep clutterbrain away from our games. as seed has said before, this was a business decision. clutterbrains howlers against us is not just costing us points but millions of pounds as well. NC has never worried about what the press think of us, don't forget that during the photo stoppage the sun wouldn't even print our name, referring to us as `the south coast outfit` etc. lets concentrate on getting 3ps from the next game now. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 2

4:08pm Mon 6 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

I would actually welcome Clottenburk as Referee of the Arsenal home match, it could prove every interesting to say the least, would they dare? I respect the FA ruling, they will have looked at it with less bias, in my opinion. Time for us to bite the bullet and move on. If nothing else it has given the authorities food for thought and I am in no doubt that other Clubs won't allow themselves to be frightened from raising any matters that give them cause for concern in the future.
I would actually welcome Clottenburk as Referee of the Arsenal home match, it could prove every interesting to say the least, would they dare? I respect the FA ruling, they will have looked at it with less bias, in my opinion. Time for us to bite the bullet and move on. If nothing else it has given the authorities food for thought and I am in no doubt that other Clubs won't allow themselves to be frightened from raising any matters that give them cause for concern in the future. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -5

4:30pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child says...

BracknellSaint wrote:
It was never going to succeed, but if it (a) keeps Clattenberg away from our games, and (b) gets into the refs' heads, so we get some favourable decisons for a change, it will have done it's job, Fergie style.
we don't need decisions that favour us, just fair decisions fairly made!
[quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: It was never going to succeed, but if it (a) keeps Clattenberg away from our games, and (b) gets into the refs' heads, so we get some favourable decisons for a change, it will have done it's job, Fergie style.[/p][/quote]we don't need decisions that favour us, just fair decisions fairly made! Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child
  • Score: 11

5:00pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Malcombe says...

Let's hope it now dies a natural death and we move on, a ruddy storm in a Tea Cup in my opinion, if Cortese is involved then let him fight it alone, much as he is doing a very good job at Southampton FC it doesn't excuse him from being an embarrassment and that's Cannon fodder for the opposing Supporter
Let's hope it now dies a natural death and we move on, a ruddy storm in a Tea Cup in my opinion, if Cortese is involved then let him fight it alone, much as he is doing a very good job at Southampton FC it doesn't excuse him from being an embarrassment and that's Cannon fodder for the opposing Supporter Malcombe
  • Score: -16

5:11pm Mon 6 Jan 14

warrens 76 says...

Amazing how all professional overseer bodies protect their own,,when did you here last of a policeman ever found guilty or punished for shooting or seriously injuring an unarmed member of the public.. never…

Or serious negligence cases against Dr's or the health authorities publicly admitting to failure..

Yet of far greater importance the FA, EUFA and FIFA will allow any degree of mismanagement, cheating and lying by itself and it's enforcer's (referee's) yet a player or manager is nearly always found guilty…

...the football authorities refusal to bring the game into the 21st century as per pro EVERY other professional sport brings the game into disrepute week after week…

..be clear dodgy decisions in a football a sport with in many games little to choose between the elite and the chasing pack allows cheating and collusion to prosper…

,,,take all Manu's dodgy decisions away since they first won the perm (which 5 minutes illegal extra time allowed against Sheff wed) and they would not have won 8 premierships let alone 18 (I think)…

Seriously much of what goes on in the modern game is turning me off it.
Amazing how all professional overseer bodies protect their own,,when did you here last of a policeman ever found guilty or punished for shooting or seriously injuring an unarmed member of the public.. never… Or serious negligence cases against Dr's or the health authorities publicly admitting to failure.. Yet of far greater importance the FA, EUFA and FIFA will allow any degree of mismanagement, cheating and lying by itself and it's enforcer's (referee's) yet a player or manager is nearly always found guilty… ...the football authorities refusal to bring the game into the 21st century as per pro EVERY other professional sport brings the game into disrepute week after week… ..be clear dodgy decisions in a football a sport with in many games little to choose between the elite and the chasing pack allows cheating and collusion to prosper… ,,,take all Manu's dodgy decisions away since they first won the perm (which 5 minutes illegal extra time allowed against Sheff wed) and they would not have won 8 premierships let alone 18 (I think)… Seriously much of what goes on in the modern game is turning me off it. warrens 76
  • Score: -3

5:13pm Mon 6 Jan 14

BracknellSaint says...

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote:
BracknellSaint wrote:
It was never going to succeed, but if it (a) keeps Clattenberg away from our games, and (b) gets into the refs' heads, so we get some favourable decisons for a change, it will have done it's job, Fergie style.
we don't need decisions that favour us, just fair decisions fairly made!
I would normally agree.But based on the old adage of things evening themselves out over the season, it means we are going to score a couple of offside goals(not given) and about 3 really dodgy penalties given to us, and a couple of blatant pens in our area amazingly waved away by the officials! I'm looking forward to those moments. Prefer to win under our own steam, but by the same token hate losing points due to inept referees.
[quote][p][bold]Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: It was never going to succeed, but if it (a) keeps Clattenberg away from our games, and (b) gets into the refs' heads, so we get some favourable decisons for a change, it will have done it's job, Fergie style.[/p][/quote]we don't need decisions that favour us, just fair decisions fairly made![/p][/quote]I would normally agree.But based on the old adage of things evening themselves out over the season, it means we are going to score a couple of offside goals(not given) and about 3 really dodgy penalties given to us, and a couple of blatant pens in our area amazingly waved away by the officials! I'm looking forward to those moments. Prefer to win under our own steam, but by the same token hate losing points due to inept referees. BracknellSaint
  • Score: 2

5:15pm Mon 6 Jan 14

sburman says...

Players & managers criticise refs and each other all the time using the foulest of language in full earshot of the youngest spectators. But let a ref. make am off the cuff remark to a player and he has hurt feelings.

For god’s sake, get over it.
Players & managers criticise refs and each other all the time using the foulest of language in full earshot of the youngest spectators. But let a ref. make am off the cuff remark to a player and he has hurt feelings. For god’s sake, get over it. sburman
  • Score: 3

5:23pm Mon 6 Jan 14

lowe esteem says...

This is like arguing with the Financial Ombudsman about the cost of a First Class Stamp.
Everybody knows it's wrong, but they do like their whitewash.
Perhaps Football Agents could re-invent themselves into 'no win no fee' shysters?
This is like arguing with the Financial Ombudsman about the cost of a First Class Stamp. Everybody knows it's wrong, but they do like their whitewash. Perhaps Football Agents could re-invent themselves into 'no win no fee' shysters? lowe esteem
  • Score: -1

5:42pm Mon 6 Jan 14

issacchunt says...

If the alleged conversation is the basis for the complaint sadly Saints have overreacted, he was at best joking or at worse sarcastic. Refs constantly get sworn at so good on him for having a polite go back.

I can only guess that it is worse than the reported 'england' comment for it to be pursued.
If the alleged conversation is the basis for the complaint sadly Saints have overreacted, he was at best joking or at worse sarcastic. Refs constantly get sworn at so good on him for having a polite go back. I can only guess that it is worse than the reported 'england' comment for it to be pursued. issacchunt
  • Score: 7

5:46pm Mon 6 Jan 14

right back in the bar says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
I would actually welcome Clottenburk as Referee of the Arsenal home match, it could prove every interesting to say the least, would they dare? I respect the FA ruling, they will have looked at it with less bias, in my opinion. Time for us to bite the bullet and move on. If nothing else it has given the authorities food for thought and I am in no doubt that other Clubs won't allow themselves to be frightened from raising any matters that give them cause for concern in the future.
move on - yes, indeed. ... Saturday's game is a must win to restore belief and confidence. Teams like WBA will be scrapping to stay out of the dogfight but our quality ought to see us through. Time to get on a sustained winning run again and bag some points. 56 should be the target and a good return.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: I would actually welcome Clottenburk as Referee of the Arsenal home match, it could prove every interesting to say the least, would they dare? I respect the FA ruling, they will have looked at it with less bias, in my opinion. Time for us to bite the bullet and move on. If nothing else it has given the authorities food for thought and I am in no doubt that other Clubs won't allow themselves to be frightened from raising any matters that give them cause for concern in the future.[/p][/quote]move on - yes, indeed. ... Saturday's game is a must win to restore belief and confidence. Teams like WBA will be scrapping to stay out of the dogfight but our quality ought to see us through. Time to get on a sustained winning run again and bag some points. 56 should be the target and a good return. right back in the bar
  • Score: 2

5:50pm Mon 6 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Amazing how all professional overseer bodies protect their own,,when did you here last of a policeman ever found guilty or punished for shooting or seriously injuring an unarmed member of the public.. never…

Or serious negligence cases against Dr's or the health authorities publicly admitting to failure..

Yet of far greater importance the FA, EUFA and FIFA will allow any degree of mismanagement, cheating and lying by itself and it's enforcer's (referee's) yet a player or manager is nearly always found guilty…

...the football authorities refusal to bring the game into the 21st century as per pro EVERY other professional sport brings the game into disrepute week after week…

..be clear dodgy decisions in a football a sport with in many games little to choose between the elite and the chasing pack allows cheating and collusion to prosper…

,,,take all Manu's dodgy decisions away since they first won the perm (which 5 minutes illegal extra time allowed against Sheff wed) and they would not have won 8 premierships let alone 18 (I think)…

Seriously much of what goes on in the modern game is turning me off it.
Well you can always support our Test Cricketers, they are going to need a few recruits.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Amazing how all professional overseer bodies protect their own,,when did you here last of a policeman ever found guilty or punished for shooting or seriously injuring an unarmed member of the public.. never… Or serious negligence cases against Dr's or the health authorities publicly admitting to failure.. Yet of far greater importance the FA, EUFA and FIFA will allow any degree of mismanagement, cheating and lying by itself and it's enforcer's (referee's) yet a player or manager is nearly always found guilty… ...the football authorities refusal to bring the game into the 21st century as per pro EVERY other professional sport brings the game into disrepute week after week… ..be clear dodgy decisions in a football a sport with in many games little to choose between the elite and the chasing pack allows cheating and collusion to prosper… ,,,take all Manu's dodgy decisions away since they first won the perm (which 5 minutes illegal extra time allowed against Sheff wed) and they would not have won 8 premierships let alone 18 (I think)… Seriously much of what goes on in the modern game is turning me off it.[/p][/quote]Well you can always support our Test Cricketers, they are going to need a few recruits. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -4

5:58pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Marchwood Malcom says...

Good! We won't have him refuting our future games and now this pathetic episode can finally come to an end. What absolute nonsense.
Good! We won't have him refuting our future games and now this pathetic episode can finally come to an end. What absolute nonsense. Marchwood Malcom
  • Score: 0

6:00pm Mon 6 Jan 14

willygetaway says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Amazing how all professional overseer bodies protect their own,,when did you here last of a policeman ever found guilty or punished for shooting or seriously injuring an unarmed member of the public.. never…

Or serious negligence cases against Dr's or the health authorities publicly admitting to failure..

Yet of far greater importance the FA, EUFA and FIFA will allow any degree of mismanagement, cheating and lying by itself and it's enforcer's (referee's) yet a player or manager is nearly always found guilty…

...the football authorities refusal to bring the game into the 21st century as per pro EVERY other professional sport brings the game into disrepute week after week…

..be clear dodgy decisions in a football a sport with in many games little to choose between the elite and the chasing pack allows cheating and collusion to prosper…

,,,take all Manu's dodgy decisions away since they first won the perm (which 5 minutes illegal extra time allowed against Sheff wed) and they would not have won 8 premierships let alone 18 (I think)…

Seriously much of what goes on in the modern game is turning me off it.
i got a minus four for saying the same thing but in fewer words Bro, i think the FA police are on here
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Amazing how all professional overseer bodies protect their own,,when did you here last of a policeman ever found guilty or punished for shooting or seriously injuring an unarmed member of the public.. never… Or serious negligence cases against Dr's or the health authorities publicly admitting to failure.. Yet of far greater importance the FA, EUFA and FIFA will allow any degree of mismanagement, cheating and lying by itself and it's enforcer's (referee's) yet a player or manager is nearly always found guilty… ...the football authorities refusal to bring the game into the 21st century as per pro EVERY other professional sport brings the game into disrepute week after week… ..be clear dodgy decisions in a football a sport with in many games little to choose between the elite and the chasing pack allows cheating and collusion to prosper… ,,,take all Manu's dodgy decisions away since they first won the perm (which 5 minutes illegal extra time allowed against Sheff wed) and they would not have won 8 premierships let alone 18 (I think)… Seriously much of what goes on in the modern game is turning me off it.[/p][/quote]i got a minus four for saying the same thing but in fewer words Bro, i think the FA police are on here willygetaway
  • Score: -4

6:07pm Mon 6 Jan 14

JohnItaly says...

Let's put this sorry saga to bed and get down to the serious business of transfer rumours.
Let's put this sorry saga to bed and get down to the serious business of transfer rumours. JohnItaly
  • Score: 4

6:10pm Mon 6 Jan 14

el caballo santos101 says...

lowe esteem wrote:
This is like arguing with the Financial Ombudsman about the cost of a First Class Stamp.
Everybody knows it's wrong, but they do like their whitewash.
Perhaps Football Agents could re-invent themselves into 'no win no fee' shysters?
whats wrong with the price of a first class stamp?
[quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: This is like arguing with the Financial Ombudsman about the cost of a First Class Stamp. Everybody knows it's wrong, but they do like their whitewash. Perhaps Football Agents could re-invent themselves into 'no win no fee' shysters?[/p][/quote]whats wrong with the price of a first class stamp? el caballo santos101
  • Score: 1

6:57pm Mon 6 Jan 14

donni1437 says...

what did he say anyway? "You've changed" or something similar? I've totally missed it all. I'm sure Adams had worse.
what did he say anyway? "You've changed" or something similar? I've totally missed it all. I'm sure Adams had worse. donni1437
  • Score: -5

7:07pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Clever Dick says...

The F.A have also confirmed that it is completely acceptable for incompetent officials to insult players at their will, but should the player insult that same official he can expect to be yellow carded. Incompetence rules at the FA and has done so for many years.
The F.A have also confirmed that it is completely acceptable for incompetent officials to insult players at their will, but should the player insult that same official he can expect to be yellow carded. Incompetence rules at the FA and has done so for many years. Clever Dick
  • Score: 1

7:17pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Dooorrrset saint says...

Bloody hell this is getting a tad boring now! Get over it and move on....
Bloody hell this is getting a tad boring now! Get over it and move on.... Dooorrrset saint
  • Score: 1

7:21pm Mon 6 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

issacchunt wrote:
If the alleged conversation is the basis for the complaint sadly Saints have overreacted, he was at best joking or at worse sarcastic. Refs constantly get sworn at so good on him for having a polite go back.

I can only guess that it is worse than the reported 'england' comment for it to be pursued.
That is part of the problem, there is no true transcript of what was said, but if a Referee wants to disrespect a player for being an England player, I happen to think it is a serious mistake. Sounds trivial, I know but there wasn't a prouder man in the United Kingdom when Adam was awarded an England cap, it meant a hell of a lot to him and to have this thrown back in his face with a flippant remark in the heat of a game, is bound to have been upsetting. I have seen no apology from anyone saying that it was a joke that went wrong. All I see is denial and a load of offensive remarks about a player that didn't actually make an official complaint.
[quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: If the alleged conversation is the basis for the complaint sadly Saints have overreacted, he was at best joking or at worse sarcastic. Refs constantly get sworn at so good on him for having a polite go back. I can only guess that it is worse than the reported 'england' comment for it to be pursued.[/p][/quote]That is part of the problem, there is no true transcript of what was said, but if a Referee wants to disrespect a player for being an England player, I happen to think it is a serious mistake. Sounds trivial, I know but there wasn't a prouder man in the United Kingdom when Adam was awarded an England cap, it meant a hell of a lot to him and to have this thrown back in his face with a flippant remark in the heat of a game, is bound to have been upsetting. I have seen no apology from anyone saying that it was a joke that went wrong. All I see is denial and a load of offensive remarks about a player that didn't actually make an official complaint. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

7:22pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Norwegian Saint says...

Clatterbrain is probably part of a betting syndicate... It comes down to penalty decisions against us... Norwich, Arsenal and Everton PLUS not allowing goals where nothing is wrong PLUS not sending off opponents.

Next match with him will see Saints have 8 men left on the pitch losing 7-0 all penalties.

Hate the guy, he thinks he is above God and Riley backs him, nearly as crooked as Poopey

Saints will be playing against 14 for the rest of the season... and we can still win!
Clatterbrain is probably part of a betting syndicate... It comes down to penalty decisions against us... Norwich, Arsenal and Everton PLUS not allowing goals where nothing is wrong PLUS not sending off opponents. Next match with him will see Saints have 8 men left on the pitch losing 7-0 all penalties. Hate the guy, he thinks he is above God and Riley backs him, nearly as crooked as Poopey Saints will be playing against 14 for the rest of the season... and we can still win! Norwegian Saint
  • Score: -1

7:22pm Mon 6 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Dooorrrset saint wrote:
Bloody hell this is getting a tad boring now! Get over it and move on....
I will, if everyone will.
[quote][p][bold]Dooorrrset saint[/bold] wrote: Bloody hell this is getting a tad boring now! Get over it and move on....[/p][/quote]I will, if everyone will. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -3

7:29pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Skating on thin ice says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
If the alleged conversation is the basis for the complaint sadly Saints have overreacted, he was at best joking or at worse sarcastic. Refs constantly get sworn at so good on him for having a polite go back.

I can only guess that it is worse than the reported 'england' comment for it to be pursued.
That is part of the problem, there is no true transcript of what was said, but if a Referee wants to disrespect a player for being an England player, I happen to think it is a serious mistake. Sounds trivial, I know but there wasn't a prouder man in the United Kingdom when Adam was awarded an England cap, it meant a hell of a lot to him and to have this thrown back in his face with a flippant remark in the heat of a game, is bound to have been upsetting. I have seen no apology from anyone saying that it was a joke that went wrong. All I see is denial and a load of offensive remarks about a player that didn't actually make an official complaint.
Wrong way round. If a player who thinks because he has had a couple of games in an England shirt that makes him into My Little Pony, wants to disrespect a Referee, it is a serious mistake.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: If the alleged conversation is the basis for the complaint sadly Saints have overreacted, he was at best joking or at worse sarcastic. Refs constantly get sworn at so good on him for having a polite go back. I can only guess that it is worse than the reported 'england' comment for it to be pursued.[/p][/quote]That is part of the problem, there is no true transcript of what was said, but if a Referee wants to disrespect a player for being an England player, I happen to think it is a serious mistake. Sounds trivial, I know but there wasn't a prouder man in the United Kingdom when Adam was awarded an England cap, it meant a hell of a lot to him and to have this thrown back in his face with a flippant remark in the heat of a game, is bound to have been upsetting. I have seen no apology from anyone saying that it was a joke that went wrong. All I see is denial and a load of offensive remarks about a player that didn't actually make an official complaint.[/p][/quote]Wrong way round. If a player who thinks because he has had a couple of games in an England shirt that makes him into My Little Pony, wants to disrespect a Referee, it is a serious mistake. Skating on thin ice
  • Score: -1

7:41pm Mon 6 Jan 14

lymicherry says...

Dooorrrset saint wrote:
Bloody hell this is getting a tad boring now! Get over it and move on....
Absolutely. Adam Lallana is an immensely talented footballer who has done neither himself nor his club any favours by acting like a precious child.
[quote][p][bold]Dooorrrset saint[/bold] wrote: Bloody hell this is getting a tad boring now! Get over it and move on....[/p][/quote]Absolutely. Adam Lallana is an immensely talented footballer who has done neither himself nor his club any favours by acting like a precious child. lymicherry
  • Score: -2

7:41pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Meribelsaint says...

Malcombe wrote:
Let's hope it now dies a natural death and we move on, a ruddy storm in a Tea Cup in my opinion, if Cortese is involved then let him fight it alone, much as he is doing a very good job at Southampton FC it doesn't excuse him from being an embarrassment and that's Cannon fodder for the opposing Supporter
Do you really think NC is an embarrassment? Personally I think he's the best thing to happen to us in my lifetime. He may be a bit of a PR disaster at times, but we've only been going in one direction since he's been at the helm and long may that continue.
[quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: Let's hope it now dies a natural death and we move on, a ruddy storm in a Tea Cup in my opinion, if Cortese is involved then let him fight it alone, much as he is doing a very good job at Southampton FC it doesn't excuse him from being an embarrassment and that's Cannon fodder for the opposing Supporter[/p][/quote]Do you really think NC is an embarrassment? Personally I think he's the best thing to happen to us in my lifetime. He may be a bit of a PR disaster at times, but we've only been going in one direction since he's been at the helm and long may that continue. Meribelsaint
  • Score: 4

7:43pm Mon 6 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

lymicherry wrote:
Dooorrrset saint wrote:
Bloody hell this is getting a tad boring now! Get over it and move on....
Absolutely. Adam Lallana is an immensely talented footballer who has done neither himself nor his club any favours by acting like a precious child.
Once again, he hasn't done anything, when will you get it into your thick heads, that he hasn't made the complaint, it is the Club that is handling it.
[quote][p][bold]lymicherry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dooorrrset saint[/bold] wrote: Bloody hell this is getting a tad boring now! Get over it and move on....[/p][/quote]Absolutely. Adam Lallana is an immensely talented footballer who has done neither himself nor his club any favours by acting like a precious child.[/p][/quote]Once again, he hasn't done anything, when will you get it into your thick heads, that he hasn't made the complaint, it is the Club that is handling it. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

7:44pm Mon 6 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Skating on thin ice wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
If the alleged conversation is the basis for the complaint sadly Saints have overreacted, he was at best joking or at worse sarcastic. Refs constantly get sworn at so good on him for having a polite go back.

I can only guess that it is worse than the reported 'england' comment for it to be pursued.
That is part of the problem, there is no true transcript of what was said, but if a Referee wants to disrespect a player for being an England player, I happen to think it is a serious mistake. Sounds trivial, I know but there wasn't a prouder man in the United Kingdom when Adam was awarded an England cap, it meant a hell of a lot to him and to have this thrown back in his face with a flippant remark in the heat of a game, is bound to have been upsetting. I have seen no apology from anyone saying that it was a joke that went wrong. All I see is denial and a load of offensive remarks about a player that didn't actually make an official complaint.
Wrong way round. If a player who thinks because he has had a couple of games in an England shirt that makes him into My Little Pony, wants to disrespect a Referee, it is a serious mistake.
.. and yet he hasn't, get your facts right.
[quote][p][bold]Skating on thin ice[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: If the alleged conversation is the basis for the complaint sadly Saints have overreacted, he was at best joking or at worse sarcastic. Refs constantly get sworn at so good on him for having a polite go back. I can only guess that it is worse than the reported 'england' comment for it to be pursued.[/p][/quote]That is part of the problem, there is no true transcript of what was said, but if a Referee wants to disrespect a player for being an England player, I happen to think it is a serious mistake. Sounds trivial, I know but there wasn't a prouder man in the United Kingdom when Adam was awarded an England cap, it meant a hell of a lot to him and to have this thrown back in his face with a flippant remark in the heat of a game, is bound to have been upsetting. I have seen no apology from anyone saying that it was a joke that went wrong. All I see is denial and a load of offensive remarks about a player that didn't actually make an official complaint.[/p][/quote]Wrong way round. If a player who thinks because he has had a couple of games in an England shirt that makes him into My Little Pony, wants to disrespect a Referee, it is a serious mistake.[/p][/quote].. and yet he hasn't, get your facts right. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

8:03pm Mon 6 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

http://metro.co.uk/2
014/01/06/the-real-r
eason-southampton-ha
ve-made-an-issue-out
-of-mark-clattenburg
s-comment-4252138/

Food for thought.
http://metro.co.uk/2 014/01/06/the-real-r eason-southampton-ha ve-made-an-issue-out -of-mark-clattenburg s-comment-4252138/ Food for thought. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

8:42pm Mon 6 Jan 14

REDARMYRULETHESOUTH says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
http://metro.co.uk/2

014/01/06/the-real-r

eason-southampton-ha

ve-made-an-issue-out

-of-mark-clattenburg

s-comment-4252138/

Food for thought.
Thanks for the link for the article.

This is how a lot of SAINTS FANS see the issue - we do not want clutterbrain officiating our games. Not only have decisions not gone our way - the Refs comments suggest a state of mind and bias.

IT WAS A STONEWALL PENALTY AT EVERTON - Clutterbrain is guilty of poor decision making.

Went on to read more of the articles and read about shot shy Saints at Everton.

HOW PLEASED WE ALL WERE TO SEE THE MIGHTY SAINTS TAKING ON SHOTS AND SCORING FOUR VS BURNLEY.

THE FEEL GOOD FACTOR IS BACK WITH THE LEAGUE AND CUP DREAM ALIVE.

With the strongest Team Selection - 3 points vs West Brom. We will have to be at our best though !!

RED ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
RMY. COYR

WE HATE POMPEY and dislike wet spam chelski manure etc
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: http://metro.co.uk/2 014/01/06/the-real-r eason-southampton-ha ve-made-an-issue-out -of-mark-clattenburg s-comment-4252138/ Food for thought.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the link for the article. This is how a lot of SAINTS FANS see the issue - we do not want clutterbrain officiating our games. Not only have decisions not gone our way - the Refs comments suggest a state of mind and bias. IT WAS A STONEWALL PENALTY AT EVERTON - Clutterbrain is guilty of poor decision making. Went on to read more of the articles and read about shot shy Saints at Everton. HOW PLEASED WE ALL WERE TO SEE THE MIGHTY SAINTS TAKING ON SHOTS AND SCORING FOUR VS BURNLEY. THE FEEL GOOD FACTOR IS BACK WITH THE LEAGUE AND CUP DREAM ALIVE. With the strongest Team Selection - 3 points vs West Brom. We will have to be at our best though !! RED ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RMY. COYR WE HATE POMPEY and dislike wet spam chelski manure etc REDARMYRULETHESOUTH
  • Score: 2

8:44pm Mon 6 Jan 14

slugger says...

Clattenberg won't ref another Saints game this season .......... Job done ..... Fair play Nicola !
Clattenberg won't ref another Saints game this season .......... Job done ..... Fair play Nicola ! slugger
  • Score: 6

8:44pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Saint Jinx says...

The point being lost here is a complete and utter lack of respect for a young guy who is proudly leading his team, he has just got married and he is becoming a star. Rooney doesn't stop talking but I'll bet Mr. Clattenburg wouldn't dare speak to him like that. The same with Le Tissier.

Adam Lallana is not a child. He is just a decent and honest person, like most of our young team.

Mark Clattenburg is a bully who is probably intimidated by southern accents!
The point being lost here is a complete and utter lack of respect for a young guy who is proudly leading his team, he has just got married and he is becoming a star. Rooney doesn't stop talking but I'll bet Mr. Clattenburg wouldn't dare speak to him like that. The same with Le Tissier. Adam Lallana is not a child. He is just a decent and honest person, like most of our young team. Mark Clattenburg is a bully who is probably intimidated by southern accents! Saint Jinx
  • Score: 5

8:52pm Mon 6 Jan 14

ctsaint says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
http://metro.co.uk/2

014/01/06/the-real-r

eason-southampton-ha

ve-made-an-issue-out

-of-mark-clattenburg

s-comment-4252138/

Food for thought.
I agree it's exactly that and I understand and support the strategy, NC and Mopo are nobodies mugs , this is all about pressure , be it to be rid of Cluttenburg, make him think, or on a broader scale to wire up refs and reconsider how we deal with key incidents and mistakes .
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: http://metro.co.uk/2 014/01/06/the-real-r eason-southampton-ha ve-made-an-issue-out -of-mark-clattenburg s-comment-4252138/ Food for thought.[/p][/quote]I agree it's exactly that and I understand and support the strategy, NC and Mopo are nobodies mugs , this is all about pressure , be it to be rid of Cluttenburg, make him think, or on a broader scale to wire up refs and reconsider how we deal with key incidents and mistakes . ctsaint
  • Score: 2

9:10pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Georgethepie says...

Let's be honest a manager says something he gets sent to the stands and fined. A player says something he gets a red card and fined. A ref has a stinker or says something he walks away only if he continues to be rubbish does he get moved down the leagues and that's just 1 of the reasons why the FA are a joke.....
Let's be honest a manager says something he gets sent to the stands and fined. A player says something he gets a red card and fined. A ref has a stinker or says something he walks away only if he continues to be rubbish does he get moved down the leagues and that's just 1 of the reasons why the FA are a joke..... Georgethepie
  • Score: 2

10:26pm Mon 6 Jan 14

F Fan says...

Great line from Martin Allen when ITV did the highlights of the Burnley game. Lallana was pictured speaking to the Ref. Allen quipped in a deadpan voice "And there's Alan Lallana, asking the Ref 'Don't you know who I am? '"

No idea if Lalanna instigated the complaint or not, or what his or the Club's objective was. But humour is a great response to hubris. And I suspect that is what this looks like to the vast majority of football fans across the country who don't know Lalanna and though highly of the way we conduct our business, a great shame in my view. And not worth the gain if indeed the complaint was a cunning plan to keep Clattenburg away from our games.
Great line from Martin Allen when ITV did the highlights of the Burnley game. Lallana was pictured speaking to the Ref. Allen quipped in a deadpan voice "And there's Alan Lallana, asking the Ref 'Don't you know who I am? '" No idea if Lalanna instigated the complaint or not, or what his or the Club's objective was. But humour is a great response to hubris. And I suspect that is what this looks like to the vast majority of football fans across the country who don't know Lalanna and though highly of the way we conduct our business, a great shame in my view. And not worth the gain if indeed the complaint was a cunning plan to keep Clattenburg away from our games. F Fan
  • Score: 2

10:28pm Mon 6 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

slugger wrote:
Clattenberg won't ref another Saints game this season .......... Job done ..... Fair play Nicola !
Now about that nice Mr H Webb, he is a decent sort who will play it by the book on Saturday, never doubted his integrity despite the fact that I don't think we have ever won when he was in charge, I am sure it was because we weren't good enough on the day rather than inept or biased Officiating.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: Clattenberg won't ref another Saints game this season .......... Job done ..... Fair play Nicola ![/p][/quote]Now about that nice Mr H Webb, he is a decent sort who will play it by the book on Saturday, never doubted his integrity despite the fact that I don't think we have ever won when he was in charge, I am sure it was because we weren't good enough on the day rather than inept or biased Officiating. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

10:59pm Mon 6 Jan 14

the third hardest man in sholing says...

. yeah like referees are terrible evil people with a particular grudge against our club.......of course no other managers, fans or players of other clubs ever feel this sense of injustice either ...this a disgrace I think we should pull out of the Premier League in protest.
. yeah like referees are terrible evil people with a particular grudge against our club.......of course no other managers, fans or players of other clubs ever feel this sense of injustice either ...this a disgrace I think we should pull out of the Premier League in protest. the third hardest man in sholing
  • Score: 1

11:59pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Saint TGB says...

Skating on thin ice wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
If the alleged conversation is the basis for the complaint sadly Saints have overreacted, he was at best joking or at worse sarcastic. Refs constantly get sworn at so good on him for having a polite go back.

I can only guess that it is worse than the reported 'england' comment for it to be pursued.
That is part of the problem, there is no true transcript of what was said, but if a Referee wants to disrespect a player for being an England player, I happen to think it is a serious mistake. Sounds trivial, I know but there wasn't a prouder man in the United Kingdom when Adam was awarded an England cap, it meant a hell of a lot to him and to have this thrown back in his face with a flippant remark in the heat of a game, is bound to have been upsetting. I have seen no apology from anyone saying that it was a joke that went wrong. All I see is denial and a load of offensive remarks about a player that didn't actually make an official complaint.
Wrong way round. If a player who thinks because he has had a couple of games in an England shirt that makes him into My Little Pony, wants to disrespect a Referee, it is a serious mistake.
Idiot.
[quote][p][bold]Skating on thin ice[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: If the alleged conversation is the basis for the complaint sadly Saints have overreacted, he was at best joking or at worse sarcastic. Refs constantly get sworn at so good on him for having a polite go back. I can only guess that it is worse than the reported 'england' comment for it to be pursued.[/p][/quote]That is part of the problem, there is no true transcript of what was said, but if a Referee wants to disrespect a player for being an England player, I happen to think it is a serious mistake. Sounds trivial, I know but there wasn't a prouder man in the United Kingdom when Adam was awarded an England cap, it meant a hell of a lot to him and to have this thrown back in his face with a flippant remark in the heat of a game, is bound to have been upsetting. I have seen no apology from anyone saying that it was a joke that went wrong. All I see is denial and a load of offensive remarks about a player that didn't actually make an official complaint.[/p][/quote]Wrong way round. If a player who thinks because he has had a couple of games in an England shirt that makes him into My Little Pony, wants to disrespect a Referee, it is a serious mistake.[/p][/quote]Idiot. Saint TGB
  • Score: 2

2:19pm Tue 7 Jan 14

st1halo says...

NC is a smart man and people need to look at the bigger picture. Twatenburg has been heavily biased againt us in the games we have had him as referee. How do you go about seeking redress? Argue the decisions and you risk fines, the bias continues. The inocuous complaint will force all refs to bear scrutiny at our games. Any retribution fom refs in future would damage their own integity and credibility. NC is quite happy to put up with a little bad press in the pusuit of adding fairness to our matches and so he should be. There is no embarrassment in taking a principled stance.

STID
NC is a smart man and people need to look at the bigger picture. Twatenburg has been heavily biased againt us in the games we have had him as referee. How do you go about seeking redress? Argue the decisions and you risk fines, the bias continues. The inocuous complaint will force all refs to bear scrutiny at our games. Any retribution fom refs in future would damage their own integity and credibility. NC is quite happy to put up with a little bad press in the pusuit of adding fairness to our matches and so he should be. There is no embarrassment in taking a principled stance. STID st1halo
  • Score: 1

4:18pm Tue 7 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

the third hardest man in sholing wrote:
. yeah like referees are terrible evil people with a particular grudge against our club.......of course no other managers, fans or players of other clubs ever feel this sense of injustice either ...this a disgrace I think we should pull out of the Premier League in protest.
Dafty, it isn't Referees per se, it is one in particular in this instance. Of course other Manager felt injustice, the moment they opened their gobs they got fined and banned with no appeal, hardly fair is it? If pulling out of the Premier League would make any difference, it might be worth consideration, but somehow I don't think that would work either, I reckon this should be taken up in Parliament by our local MP, how about you?
[quote][p][bold]the third hardest man in sholing[/bold] wrote: . yeah like referees are terrible evil people with a particular grudge against our club.......of course no other managers, fans or players of other clubs ever feel this sense of injustice either ...this a disgrace I think we should pull out of the Premier League in protest.[/p][/quote]Dafty, it isn't Referees per se, it is one in particular in this instance. Of course other Manager felt injustice, the moment they opened their gobs they got fined and banned with no appeal, hardly fair is it? If pulling out of the Premier League would make any difference, it might be worth consideration, but somehow I don't think that would work either, I reckon this should be taken up in Parliament by our local MP, how about you? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

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