Gaston on his way out?

Basingstoke Gazette: Gaston Ramirez Gaston Ramirez

WHEN attacking midfielder Gastón Ramirez arrived in the summer of 2012, the St Mary’s faithful licked their lips in anticipation of watching one of football’s hot prospects don the club’s crest.

The impression was that Nigel Adkins planned to build his Saints side around the Uruguayan star, who was bought from Bologna for around £12m on the final day of last season’s summer transfer window – setting a new record amount paid for a player by Saints, writes PETER HOWARD.

The 23-year-old had just come off the back of a glittering Olympics where he starred for Uruguay’s Under-23s, scoring a stunning free-kick at Old Trafford in their 2-1 win over the United Arab Emirates.

He represented a fantastic coup for Saints after being linked with top clubs in Italy and England.

As such, Adkins was excited to utilise such a prospect. Early promise, with a splattering of skilful performances, turned to calls for time to let him settle into the team as inconsistencies crept into his game.

Poor set piece deliveries, lack of strength and workrate were all concerns for Saints supporters.

In addition, he also spent his fair share of time on the treatment table.

From when Mauricio Pochettino replaced Adkins in January, Ramirez was either subbed or a substitute in the ten games he played under the Argentinean.

His first season in England ended on a sour note after getting sent off for an elbow in the 3-0 defeat to West Bromwich Albion. Over the summer, Pochettino sculpted his team. The lung-bursting, high tempo, passing, fluid game we’ve become familiar with was created during tours in Spain and Austria. But by the time Ramirez joined the squad late in July, after being involved in the Confederations Cup, much of the development would have been complete.

His constant movement around the entire globe with the Uruguay national side, in all fairness, probably didn’t help him settle at Saints.

But it is clear that he will continue to be a fringe player this season and might even exit the club in the coming January transfer window. In Pochettino’s system there is no question that Ramirez, a technically gifted player, simply doesn’t have the work-rate or strength to be considered first choice.

And with Adam Lallana, Jay Rodriguez and James Ward-Prowse in blistering form, his chances of playing have become slimmer and slimmer. His cameo performances - playing just 94 minutes of Premier League football in total - have resigned many to the conclusion that he’s a lost cause.

His undoubted talents do not seem suited to the style of the English top-flight. His likely destination would be Serie A in the coming transfer window; Inter Milan and Napoli have both stated their interest.

Yet there is still a feeling at St Mary’s that any day now Ramirez will bloom into the player Saints fans all hoped he’d be. The glimpses of flicks, twists and gloriously placed through balls have hinted at what ability he has.

Unfortunately, he is a luxury Saints cannot afford. With every man working at full tilt for 90 minutes, it would be impossible to cater for his style. Ramirez, who has won 26 caps for his country, was born in Fray Bentos - yes, that’s right, the town which possesses the same name as the pie company. His first club was Penarol in his homeland. From there, he was then snapped up by Bologna in 2010, becoming a key player as they finished 9th and 16th in Serie A. He made his debut for Uruguay aged just 19 during a 7-1 win over Indonesia in October 2010. At London 2012 he came up against fellow Saint, Jack Cork, and clattered the bar as Daniel Sturridge scored the winner in a 1-0 victory. But if he wants to follow up his Olympic time with a regular World Cup place next summer, he probabaly needs to find himself a new club.

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9:10am Sat 21 Dec 13

magnette says...

" was born in Fray Bentos - yes, that’s right, the town which possesses the same name as the pie company."
You make it sound like the town was named after the company!
" was born in Fray Bentos - yes, that’s right, the town which possesses the same name as the pie company." You make it sound like the town was named after the company! magnette

9:51am Sat 21 Dec 13

TIL 7468 says...

Who ate all the......
Well he's certainly not fat!
C'mon man get some work rate in you!
Who ate all the...... Well he's certainly not fat! C'mon man get some work rate in you! TIL 7468

10:28am Sat 21 Dec 13

saintgibbo says...

That , i m h o, is a fair reading of the situation. No doubt about the lad's talent, just not suited to Saints, and probably prem style. I have been hoping like everyone that he would click but how long do you wait?
Begining to think probably it would be best for him to find a good European side so he can kick on. Whatever happens i will still applaud him while he is in the Saints strip.
Also, as you walk past St.Marys church tomorrow or just even catch a glimpse of the steeple, just offer up a prayer of thanks that Markus wasn't Vincent Tan.
That , i m h o, is a fair reading of the situation. No doubt about the lad's talent, just not suited to Saints, and probably prem style. I have been hoping like everyone that he would click but how long do you wait? Begining to think probably it would be best for him to find a good European side so he can kick on. Whatever happens i will still applaud him while he is in the Saints strip. Also, as you walk past St.Marys church tomorrow or just even catch a glimpse of the steeple, just offer up a prayer of thanks that Markus wasn't Vincent Tan. saintgibbo

10:53am Sat 21 Dec 13

costa gaz says...

I do really think he has talent but it is just not suited to our game.
Unfortunately he could not adapt to the way MP sets his side up, whilst Lallana has excelled playing our high tempo game, others like Lambert have become less effective than he was under Adkins.
To see the best in a player he must be playing in a system that suits and unfortunately our one does not suit Gaston.
This happens everywhere, eg Torres was superb at Liverpool, then mediocre at Chelsea.
Gaston will be a very good player again, but not here.
I do really think he has talent but it is just not suited to our game. Unfortunately he could not adapt to the way MP sets his side up, whilst Lallana has excelled playing our high tempo game, others like Lambert have become less effective than he was under Adkins. To see the best in a player he must be playing in a system that suits and unfortunately our one does not suit Gaston. This happens everywhere, eg Torres was superb at Liverpool, then mediocre at Chelsea. Gaston will be a very good player again, but not here. costa gaz

12:30pm Sat 21 Dec 13

gr8saint says...

And yet Pochettino claims he will not be letting Gaston move in January.
Are we suggesting that MoPo is playing games? ;)
And yet Pochettino claims he will not be letting Gaston move in January. Are we suggesting that MoPo is playing games? ;) gr8saint

1:18pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Mush On The Beach says...

costa gaz wrote:
I do really think he has talent but it is just not suited to our game.
Unfortunately he could not adapt to the way MP sets his side up, whilst Lallana has excelled playing our high tempo game, others like Lambert have become less effective than he was under Adkins.
To see the best in a player he must be playing in a system that suits and unfortunately our one does not suit Gaston.
This happens everywhere, eg Torres was superb at Liverpool, then mediocre at Chelsea.
Gaston will be a very good player again, but not here.
Yep, agree with all that Baz.
The only point I would add is that I believe the reason Torres has not been the same player at Chelski is down to a degenerative knee problem that he sustained at Liverpool. Chelski medicos may have dropped a b0llock in the rushed signing, he is not the player he was.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: I do really think he has talent but it is just not suited to our game. Unfortunately he could not adapt to the way MP sets his side up, whilst Lallana has excelled playing our high tempo game, others like Lambert have become less effective than he was under Adkins. To see the best in a player he must be playing in a system that suits and unfortunately our one does not suit Gaston. This happens everywhere, eg Torres was superb at Liverpool, then mediocre at Chelsea. Gaston will be a very good player again, but not here.[/p][/quote]Yep, agree with all that Baz. The only point I would add is that I believe the reason Torres has not been the same player at Chelski is down to a degenerative knee problem that he sustained at Liverpool. Chelski medicos may have dropped a b0llock in the rushed signing, he is not the player he was. Mush On The Beach

1:21pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Mush On The Beach says...

Mush On The Beach wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
I do really think he has talent but it is just not suited to our game.
Unfortunately he could not adapt to the way MP sets his side up, whilst Lallana has excelled playing our high tempo game, others like Lambert have become less effective than he was under Adkins.
To see the best in a player he must be playing in a system that suits and unfortunately our one does not suit Gaston.
This happens everywhere, eg Torres was superb at Liverpool, then mediocre at Chelsea.
Gaston will be a very good player again, but not here.
Yep, agree with all that Baz.
The only point I would add is that I believe the reason Torres has not been the same player at Chelski is down to a degenerative knee problem that he sustained at Liverpool. Chelski medicos may have dropped a b0llock in the rushed signing, he is not the player he was.
Sorry, obviously I mean Gaz. You don't know each other do you?
[quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: I do really think he has talent but it is just not suited to our game. Unfortunately he could not adapt to the way MP sets his side up, whilst Lallana has excelled playing our high tempo game, others like Lambert have become less effective than he was under Adkins. To see the best in a player he must be playing in a system that suits and unfortunately our one does not suit Gaston. This happens everywhere, eg Torres was superb at Liverpool, then mediocre at Chelsea. Gaston will be a very good player again, but not here.[/p][/quote]Yep, agree with all that Baz. The only point I would add is that I believe the reason Torres has not been the same player at Chelski is down to a degenerative knee problem that he sustained at Liverpool. Chelski medicos may have dropped a b0llock in the rushed signing, he is not the player he was.[/p][/quote]Sorry, obviously I mean Gaz. You don't know each other do you? Mush On The Beach

1:54pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Clever Dick says...

Just watching the Liverpool game. That goofy guy they have looks decent. I think we should offer a straight swap for Gaston!
Just watching the Liverpool game. That goofy guy they have looks decent. I think we should offer a straight swap for Gaston! Clever Dick

2:06pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Mush On The Beach says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Just watching the Liverpool game. That goofy guy they have looks decent. I think we should offer a straight swap for Gaston!
I wonder if Coutinho would have fitted into our system any better than Gaston as Mauricio was certainly keen. He looks a similar style player to me.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: Just watching the Liverpool game. That goofy guy they have looks decent. I think we should offer a straight swap for Gaston![/p][/quote]I wonder if Coutinho would have fitted into our system any better than Gaston as Mauricio was certainly keen. He looks a similar style player to me. Mush On The Beach

3:16pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Clever Dick says...

Mush On The Beach wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Just watching the Liverpool game. That goofy guy they have looks decent. I think we should offer a straight swap for Gaston!
I wonder if Coutinho would have fitted into our system any better than Gaston as Mauricio was certainly keen. He looks a similar style player to me.
Well if he's a similar style player to you, we obviously won't get him so how do you fancy signing for us? Mind you you'll have to change your name. You'll look pretty silly with MUSH ON THE BEACH on the back. Just kidding. Actually I think Coutinho looks better than Gaston. He creates well and I think he works a bit harder as well.
[quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: Just watching the Liverpool game. That goofy guy they have looks decent. I think we should offer a straight swap for Gaston![/p][/quote]I wonder if Coutinho would have fitted into our system any better than Gaston as Mauricio was certainly keen. He looks a similar style player to me.[/p][/quote]Well if he's a similar style player to you, we obviously won't get him so how do you fancy signing for us? Mind you you'll have to change your name. You'll look pretty silly with MUSH ON THE BEACH on the back. Just kidding. Actually I think Coutinho looks better than Gaston. He creates well and I think he works a bit harder as well. Clever Dick

3:24pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

It's a shame but it's time to cash him in and look for a replacement. If we wait we won't get our money back.
It's a shame but it's time to cash him in and look for a replacement. If we wait we won't get our money back. Seedhouse the Unrepentant

3:50pm Sat 21 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Don't forget we will have the new improved bionic Guly back soon.
Don't forget we will have the new improved bionic Guly back soon. OSPREYSAINT

4:02pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Rising_Son says...

Are you trying to be provocative?
Are you trying to be provocative? Rising_Son

4:18pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Mush On The Beach says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Mush On The Beach wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Just watching the Liverpool game. That goofy guy they have looks decent. I think we should offer a straight swap for Gaston!
I wonder if Coutinho would have fitted into our system any better than Gaston as Mauricio was certainly keen. He looks a similar style player to me.
Well if he's a similar style player to you, we obviously won't get him so how do you fancy signing for us? Mind you you'll have to change your name. You'll look pretty silly with MUSH ON THE BEACH on the back. Just kidding. Actually I think Coutinho looks better than Gaston. He creates well and I think he works a bit harder as well.
Funny, I was one that slipped through the net due to poor scouting in Hampshire at the time, Mush would fit just nicely on the back of the shirt. I agree that Coutinho shows a bit more creativity in the final third but do Liverpool press as hard us? I'm unsure about his work rate, but if MP wanted him, that probably answers the question.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: Just watching the Liverpool game. That goofy guy they have looks decent. I think we should offer a straight swap for Gaston![/p][/quote]I wonder if Coutinho would have fitted into our system any better than Gaston as Mauricio was certainly keen. He looks a similar style player to me.[/p][/quote]Well if he's a similar style player to you, we obviously won't get him so how do you fancy signing for us? Mind you you'll have to change your name. You'll look pretty silly with MUSH ON THE BEACH on the back. Just kidding. Actually I think Coutinho looks better than Gaston. He creates well and I think he works a bit harder as well.[/p][/quote]Funny, I was one that slipped through the net due to poor scouting in Hampshire at the time, Mush would fit just nicely on the back of the shirt. I agree that Coutinho shows a bit more creativity in the final third but do Liverpool press as hard us? I'm unsure about his work rate, but if MP wanted him, that probably answers the question. Mush On The Beach

5:11pm Sat 21 Dec 13

saintbobby says...

In my long time naivety I always feel a little sad when a player does not work out.

You like to think that a player comes to St. Mary's and all his troubles are over because he will get more support than he might have expected. We look after our own pretty well and I always feel a bit miffed when it doesn't work out.

Know what I mean or just a silly misguided Saint?
In my long time naivety I always feel a little sad when a player does not work out. You like to think that a player comes to St. Mary's and all his troubles are over because he will get more support than he might have expected. We look after our own pretty well and I always feel a bit miffed when it doesn't work out. Know what I mean or just a silly misguided Saint? saintbobby

7:30pm Sat 21 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Are you trying to be provocative?
Judging by your response I may have been successful! You never know he could the new Six Million Dollar Man. Guly Majors, dah, daht, da.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: Are you trying to be provocative?[/p][/quote]Judging by your response I may have been successful! You never know he could the new Six Million Dollar Man. Guly Majors, dah, daht, da. OSPREYSAINT

7:49pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Tirau Dan says...

From Poch in the other Story: “My rule is that I never talk about assumptions, I never talk about rumours,” he said. “I don’t speak about intangible things that aren’t really real, so I don’t want to comment on that.” Amen
From Poch in the other Story: “My rule is that I never talk about assumptions, I never talk about rumours,” he said. “I don’t speak about intangible things that aren’t really real, so I don’t want to comment on that.” Amen Tirau Dan

7:55pm Sat 21 Dec 13

St.David says...

I don't think Gaston will get the chance to prove himself now and I think he will be on his way. As for January business. . I love the belief the management team are putting in our academy and youngsters but I also think our squade would look a lot stronger with Zaha, Ince and Butner fighting for a place. COYRs. .
I don't think Gaston will get the chance to prove himself now and I think he will be on his way. As for January business. . I love the belief the management team are putting in our academy and youngsters but I also think our squade would look a lot stronger with Zaha, Ince and Butner fighting for a place. COYRs. . St.David

8:16pm Sat 21 Dec 13

george chivers says...

Perfect article. Says it all. Italy would be better for him.
Perfect article. Says it all. Italy would be better for him. george chivers

9:26pm Sat 21 Dec 13

rednwhite72 says...

It was inevitable, he hasn't made a place for himself in the side, maybe we can use the money to add a new improved CB to partner Lovren, I think hoov's is falling away and yoshi is not quite upto par.
It was inevitable, he hasn't made a place for himself in the side, maybe we can use the money to add a new improved CB to partner Lovren, I think hoov's is falling away and yoshi is not quite upto par. rednwhite72

9:29pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Meribelsaint says...

saintbobby wrote:
In my long time naivety I always feel a little sad when a player does not work out.

You like to think that a player comes to St. Mary's and all his troubles are over because he will get more support than he might have expected. We look after our own pretty well and I always feel a bit miffed when it doesn't work out.

Know what I mean or just a silly misguided Saint?
Just how I feel. So I guess that makes 2 silly misguided Saints!
[quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: In my long time naivety I always feel a little sad when a player does not work out. You like to think that a player comes to St. Mary's and all his troubles are over because he will get more support than he might have expected. We look after our own pretty well and I always feel a bit miffed when it doesn't work out. Know what I mean or just a silly misguided Saint?[/p][/quote]Just how I feel. So I guess that makes 2 silly misguided Saints! Meribelsaint

4:33am Sun 22 Dec 13

Saint_Sista says...

On the day we signed Ramirez, Tim Vickery said (on 5Live):

"WONDERFUL left foot! BUT long-legged and slow to get into his stride. I'm worried that the pace of the Premier League will be too much for him. That's the doubt. He'll be good for set pieces , but can Southampton afford to carry him as a luxury player? It's a big worry with them being newly promoted."
On the day we signed Ramirez, Tim Vickery said (on 5Live): "WONDERFUL left foot! BUT long-legged and slow to get into his stride. I'm worried that the pace of the Premier League will be too much for him. That's the doubt. He'll be good for set pieces [well you can't be right all the time, Tim ;-) ], but can Southampton afford to carry him as a luxury player? It's a big worry with them being newly promoted." Saint_Sista

5:31am Sun 22 Dec 13

Rising_Son says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Are you trying to be provocative?
Judging by your response I may have been successful! You never know he could the new Six Million Dollar Man. Guly Majors, dah, daht, da.
I was expecting the anti-Guly brigade to comment, bit it seems they are now too preoccupied with hating Gazzaniga, Yoshida and Hooiveld to have bothered.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: Are you trying to be provocative?[/p][/quote]Judging by your response I may have been successful! You never know he could the new Six Million Dollar Man. Guly Majors, dah, daht, da.[/p][/quote]I was expecting the anti-Guly brigade to comment, bit it seems they are now too preoccupied with hating Gazzaniga, Yoshida and Hooiveld to have bothered. Rising_Son

9:30pm Thu 26 Dec 13

montecristosaint says...

you all forget howdifficut it was for Saints to get him in in the first place. Rumor has it that he might be allowed out on loan perhaps to Inter Milan. He is still very young and by no means a lost cause. But as I am sure he knows, if he wants to be a success in the Premier league and I think he does he needs to get much much stronger. What is hurting him is the insistance upon the ability to track back and defend. Saints attack as a whole and defend as a whole. He simply cant do it at the moment. There are signs he is getting better but its going to a a season of solid stamina training to get him up to par.Now tell me I am way off the mark, lol.
you all forget howdifficut it was for Saints to get him in in the first place. Rumor has it that he might be allowed out on loan perhaps to Inter Milan. He is still very young and by no means a lost cause. But as I am sure he knows, if he wants to be a success in the Premier league and I think he does he needs to get much much stronger. What is hurting him is the insistance upon the ability to track back and defend. Saints attack as a whole and defend as a whole. He simply cant do it at the moment. There are signs he is getting better but its going to a a season of solid stamina training to get him up to par.Now tell me I am way off the mark, lol. montecristosaint

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