No need to panic says Poch

Basingstoke Gazette: Mauricio Pochettino Mauricio Pochettino

Saints face a tricky decision when it comes to the January transfer window – pay over the odds to chase the potential of a good start to the season, or allow their evolution to continue but risk settling into mid-table.

There is little doubt that the first option is the most exciting. Fans love to see their club splashing the cash and bringing in new players.

However, the second is surely the most sensible, prudent and the correct way to go.

This has been a very interesting season so far, and we have gained some valuable insights into the Saints squad.

We have deduced that the first team – maybe a group of about 14-16 or so players – are very capable of challenging anybody in the division.

They have proved the ability to produce the kind of results consistently enough that makes their dream of a top four finish not look as outlandish as some had suggested.

Beyond that, Saints have a very capable Premier League squad, with plenty of guys who won’t let you down.

However, that is more of a mid-table top flight side and not one that is going to compete in the higher reaches of the table.

 If Saints want to make themselves serious players for the top four positions in years to come, there is no doubt they need to have extra quality in depth.

The right time to bring that in, though, is the summer.

Granted, the World Cup will stymie the transfer market until much later on next year, but even so the prices you pay are comparatively sensible as clubs, players and agents look to get deals done.

In January, you always pay over the odds for players.

Those selling can smell the desperation and hold out for top dollar.

Those buying are often panicking.

At Saints, there is absolutely nothing to panic about.

The transfer policy of late has been sensible.

Saints have cherry-picked the occasional player here or there to improve the team, and have paid the appropriate fee for stars of the necessary quality to keep them moving forward.

The club are surely not going to be interested in players who cannot go straight in and improve the first team in January.

And at the level they aspire to, that means they are only realistically looking at footballers who already feature in other top sides.

That will mean parting with more than they are worth, perhaps considerably more, to persuade their clubs to let them go now.

Saints can resist that, though.

The evolution under Nicola Cortese and Mauricio Pochettino has been impressive and well thought out.

Alright, splashing out money might help them capitalise on a terrific start to the season, but it must be remembered that it is no guarantee as new players need time to gel, which is hard to get in the cut and thrust of a busy campaign.

Also, Saints are built on a strong team unit and bringing highly-paid new players into the dressing room can sometimes be counterproductive to that.

When the club have done so well, and such a good finish seems within reach, it’s easy to see the temptation to spend big, but common sense must be maintained.

It might be that Saints have to settle for an upper mid-table position this season. It’s not what they want but it is significant progress, and with a summer in which to address any shortcomings the future is bright.

In terms of the squad itself, the recent spate of injuries have made it look a little bare.

A significant number of fans in the Daily Echo poll wanted the club to buy a new keeper.

Artur Boruc is the number one and has done pretty well, despite two high profile errors against Stoke and Arsenal.

Kelvin Davis, unfortunate to have been out when his chance has come, is an able keeper still.

However, despite his professionalism, Saints have to be realistic as, at 37, he isn’t one for the long term future.

Paulo Gazzaniga has stepped into the breach in the last few games, but looks as though he needs games to progress.

Maybe if a new keeper did come in it would allow him a loan season, or two, to get vital experience.

People forget he is desperately young and inexperienced for a keeper. He obviously has potential but he won’t fulfil that sitting on the bench or, more likely when Boruc and Davis return, in the under-21s.

Defence is an interesting area.

There are two first team players at right back (Clyne, Chambers), two at left back (Shaw, Fox) and four at centre half (Lovren, Fonte, Yoshida, Hooiveld).

Some have argued that there is not the sufficient quality in depth in a couple of those positions, which might be a fair point when you are aiming for the top four.

But football transfers are always about priorities and that would need to be weighed up carefully.

The holding midfield roles are perfectly fine, as injuries to Victor Wanyama and Morgan Schneiderlin have proved.

The attacking midfield roles off of the main striker have a myriad of options.

The only thing missing from that department is pace.

Though it would be good to see that added to the squad, again it is hardly a top priority when you have six very good players competing for those three roles.

In attack, it is Rickie Lambert or Dani Osvaldo most of the time. Again, you aren’t going to complain too much about that, even if that pacy attacking player could add another option if required.

The analysis for Saints has to be that there is no point going crazy in January. There is even an argument for not adding another player if they are prepared to accept a top four finish might be just beyond them this season.

They are ambitious and want to get places fast. But there is no need to throw everything at it immediately and risk a well thought out plan falling on its face when it appears to working well.

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7:06am Thu 19 Dec 13

Tony in Liberia says...

I don't think we'll buy anyone in January, and I'll be perfectly happy with that. What's the point of having the best academy if we bulk out the first team squad and stop young players of the quality we know we can produce from coming through?

Depending on how badly Boruc is injured there might be a case for a loan keeper, and Shay Given woudn't be a bad shout, and obviously if the club spot another great opportunity like Lovren for a brilliant player that hasn't been spotted yet that would be a different story, but overall I would happily keep evolving the squad from within.

As a policy, it hasn't let us down yet ...
I don't think we'll buy anyone in January, and I'll be perfectly happy with that. What's the point of having the best academy if we bulk out the first team squad and stop young players of the quality we know we can produce from coming through? Depending on how badly Boruc is injured there might be a case for a loan keeper, and Shay Given woudn't be a bad shout, and obviously if the club spot another great opportunity like Lovren for a brilliant player that hasn't been spotted yet that would be a different story, but overall I would happily keep evolving the squad from within. As a policy, it hasn't let us down yet ... Tony in Liberia

7:10am Thu 19 Dec 13

batesieboy says...

Good article. This is how I see it. I will be interested to read what everyone else thinks. Keep everyone unless they want to go elsewhere (Ramirez?)...then replace them with targets already identified, as necessary.
Good article. This is how I see it. I will be interested to read what everyone else thinks. Keep everyone unless they want to go elsewhere (Ramirez?)...then replace them with targets already identified, as necessary. batesieboy

7:36am Thu 19 Dec 13

Stroppy_gramps says...

I'll take a comfortable mid table finish over the 'will we won't we' fight against the drop zone we endured last season.

More players to come through from the youth set up
Only buy in if we spot someone worth it.
champions league and cup wins will arrive in good time, it's been a great start to the season and we just need to keep going as we are.
I'll take a comfortable mid table finish over the 'will we won't we' fight against the drop zone we endured last season. More players to come through from the youth set up Only buy in if we spot someone worth it. champions league and cup wins will arrive in good time, it's been a great start to the season and we just need to keep going as we are. Stroppy_gramps

7:49am Thu 19 Dec 13

Buddy SFC says...

Hear Hear , well thought out and sensible , 10th a major step forward , 8th a stunning finish ............. lets not forget where we were 3 years ago and that the evolution is about our academy more than over paid and under performing oversea 'stars' ....................
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Hear Hear , well thought out and sensible , 10th a major step forward , 8th a stunning finish ............. lets not forget where we were 3 years ago and that the evolution is about our academy more than over paid and under performing oversea 'stars' .................... . Buddy SFC

7:51am Thu 19 Dec 13

Epsom Saint says...

I agree with this article. Unless an exceptional opportunity comes up, I think we should stick with what we have and let the fringe/academy players step up when needed; this will help develop the youngsters and keep the strong team ethic going.
I agree with this article. Unless an exceptional opportunity comes up, I think we should stick with what we have and let the fringe/academy players step up when needed; this will help develop the youngsters and keep the strong team ethic going. Epsom Saint

7:59am Thu 19 Dec 13

ghk230473 says...

Tony in Liberia wrote:
I don't think we'll buy anyone in January, and I'll be perfectly happy with that. What's the point of having the best academy if we bulk out the first team squad and stop young players of the quality we know we can produce from coming through?

Depending on how badly Boruc is injured there might be a case for a loan keeper, and Shay Given woudn't be a bad shout, and obviously if the club spot another great opportunity like Lovren for a brilliant player that hasn't been spotted yet that would be a different story, but overall I would happily keep evolving the squad from within.

As a policy, it hasn't let us down yet ...
Some good points about the youngsters however if we stand still we could get left behind and those youngsters could go to arsenal... Again!
[quote][p][bold]Tony in Liberia[/bold] wrote: I don't think we'll buy anyone in January, and I'll be perfectly happy with that. What's the point of having the best academy if we bulk out the first team squad and stop young players of the quality we know we can produce from coming through? Depending on how badly Boruc is injured there might be a case for a loan keeper, and Shay Given woudn't be a bad shout, and obviously if the club spot another great opportunity like Lovren for a brilliant player that hasn't been spotted yet that would be a different story, but overall I would happily keep evolving the squad from within. As a policy, it hasn't let us down yet ...[/p][/quote]Some good points about the youngsters however if we stand still we could get left behind and those youngsters could go to arsenal... Again! ghk230473

8:05am Thu 19 Dec 13

scottyparkerisaniron says...

Another prime example of The Echo desperately trying to fill up space with a lot of words that say not a lot. This piece is actually quite poorly written as well. Perhaps if I name enough Saints players in my article it will appear as if I am making some sort of analytic observation. Incorrect.
Another prime example of The Echo desperately trying to fill up space with a lot of words that say not a lot. This piece is actually quite poorly written as well. Perhaps if I name enough Saints players in my article it will appear as if I am making some sort of analytic observation. Incorrect. scottyparkerisaniron

8:12am Thu 19 Dec 13

Dubsaint says...

Not a great article. The main issues in the transfer window is who we will need to replace.
Not a great article. The main issues in the transfer window is who we will need to replace. Dubsaint

8:58am Thu 19 Dec 13

Folkestone Saint says...

In general most Saints fans are happy with the continous progress we are making, we have already seen what happens when you pay over the odd's for players and their wage demmands, and it is still amusing to some, imo I think we will be ready for the big push for the title in two seasons time and would like to see a decent cup run in the mean time. To summerise, build for the future not a quick fix, as we are only damaged at the moment not broken.
In general most Saints fans are happy with the continous progress we are making, we have already seen what happens when you pay over the odd's for players and their wage demmands, and it is still amusing to some, imo I think we will be ready for the big push for the title in two seasons time and would like to see a decent cup run in the mean time. To summerise, build for the future not a quick fix, as we are only damaged at the moment not broken. Folkestone Saint

9:10am Thu 19 Dec 13

Alicesdad says...

Quite a ramble but nonetheless it reflects what a lot of fans think.

I doubt we will have a budget allocated for major spend. Cortese plays a long game so I reckon he will be off loading Ramirez but I doubt there will be much more activity So don't hold your breath. I think emerging players from the academy and people returning from injury will see us good for this season.

Do not let go of how well we are doing overall, before the Arsenal game we were looking at going second. Then three defeats wiped the smile off our face. It happens. But we still have an awesome first team squad, well capable of getting back up to a top four position if we play like we know we can.

So let us focus !!

I truly hope we stuff Tottenham like a Christmas turkey with at least four goals all the trimmings and a massive yuletide celebration. Everyone will sit up and start talking about us again, we will jump a couple of places up the league, confidence will be maintained and all will be well at St Marys

Merry Christmas everyone !!
Quite a ramble but nonetheless it reflects what a lot of fans think. I doubt we will have a budget allocated for major spend. Cortese plays a long game so I reckon he will be off loading Ramirez but I doubt there will be much more activity So don't hold your breath. I think emerging players from the academy and people returning from injury will see us good for this season. Do not let go of how well we are doing overall, before the Arsenal game we were looking at going second. Then three defeats wiped the smile off our face. It happens. But we still have an awesome first team squad, well capable of getting back up to a top four position if we play like we know we can. So let us focus !! I truly hope we stuff Tottenham like a Christmas turkey with at least four goals all the trimmings and a massive yuletide celebration. Everyone will sit up and start talking about us again, we will jump a couple of places up the league, confidence will be maintained and all will be well at St Marys Merry Christmas everyone !! Alicesdad

9:16am Thu 19 Dec 13

aluminium says...

scottyparkerisaniron wrote:
Another prime example of The Echo desperately trying to fill up space with a lot of words that say not a lot. This piece is actually quite poorly written as well. Perhaps if I name enough Saints players in my article it will appear as if I am making some sort of analytic observation. Incorrect.
This is exactly what I thought after the first paragraph as I waited for a quote of some sort from the club, but no. Just a lot of words!
[quote][p][bold]scottyparkerisaniron[/bold] wrote: Another prime example of The Echo desperately trying to fill up space with a lot of words that say not a lot. This piece is actually quite poorly written as well. Perhaps if I name enough Saints players in my article it will appear as if I am making some sort of analytic observation. Incorrect.[/p][/quote]This is exactly what I thought after the first paragraph as I waited for a quote of some sort from the club, but no. Just a lot of words! aluminium

9:28am Thu 19 Dec 13

Clever Dick says...

Personally I don't think we need to pay silly money for more signings . If Gaston moves on there is obviously an opportunity to replace hime with a flying wide man. Our main task is holding on to what we already have, but then again if any players move on or have their heads turned then it will also be for huge money. We are on a bit of a poor run currently but lets not forget that 4 of our last 5 games have been against high flying sides and the Villa game was just a fluke. Would be nice to give the spuds an absolute hammering at the w/end to get us back on track.
Personally I don't think we need to pay silly money for more signings . If Gaston moves on there is obviously an opportunity to replace hime with a flying wide man. Our main task is holding on to what we already have, but then again if any players move on or have their heads turned then it will also be for huge money. We are on a bit of a poor run currently but lets not forget that 4 of our last 5 games have been against high flying sides and the Villa game was just a fluke. Would be nice to give the spuds an absolute hammering at the w/end to get us back on track. Clever Dick

9:53am Thu 19 Dec 13

mbetts says...

Poch is unlikely to say anything else, makes it look like we're not fussed so selling clubs are less likely to pump up the price as they would if we were desperate.
Poch is unlikely to say anything else, makes it look like we're not fussed so selling clubs are less likely to pump up the price as they would if we were desperate. mbetts

9:54am Thu 19 Dec 13

saintgibbo says...

I don't think we need to panic either. The best point in the article for me was the Goalkeeper position. I voted for that position in the poll because the question was where do you THINK Saints should strengthen not where do you WANT Saints to strengthen. There is a difference. Good point about Gazza going out on loan if we can get the right bloke to challenge Artur. There was talk of the QPR keeper.
I don't think we need to panic either. The best point in the article for me was the Goalkeeper position. I voted for that position in the poll because the question was where do you THINK Saints should strengthen not where do you WANT Saints to strengthen. There is a difference. Good point about Gazza going out on loan if we can get the right bloke to challenge Artur. There was talk of the QPR keeper. saintgibbo

10:00am Thu 19 Dec 13

Mush On The Beach says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Personally I don't think we need to pay silly money for more signings . If Gaston moves on there is obviously an opportunity to replace hime with a flying wide man. Our main task is holding on to what we already have, but then again if any players move on or have their heads turned then it will also be for huge money. We are on a bit of a poor run currently but lets not forget that 4 of our last 5 games have been against high flying sides and the Villa game was just a fluke. Would be nice to give the spuds an absolute hammering at the w/end to get us back on track.
I think Ramirez is the likeliest to leave. Could we benefit from a loan of Zaha to give us a different option?
I see the next permanent signings coming after the season end when there will be better options available at more sensible prices. A couple of our squad will be moved on then for upgraded targets that have been well scouted.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: Personally I don't think we need to pay silly money for more signings . If Gaston moves on there is obviously an opportunity to replace hime with a flying wide man. Our main task is holding on to what we already have, but then again if any players move on or have their heads turned then it will also be for huge money. We are on a bit of a poor run currently but lets not forget that 4 of our last 5 games have been against high flying sides and the Villa game was just a fluke. Would be nice to give the spuds an absolute hammering at the w/end to get us back on track.[/p][/quote]I think Ramirez is the likeliest to leave. Could we benefit from a loan of Zaha to give us a different option? I see the next permanent signings coming after the season end when there will be better options available at more sensible prices. A couple of our squad will be moved on then for upgraded targets that have been well scouted. Mush On The Beach

10:17am Thu 19 Dec 13

Clever Dick says...

Mush On The Beach wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Personally I don't think we need to pay silly money for more signings . If Gaston moves on there is obviously an opportunity to replace hime with a flying wide man. Our main task is holding on to what we already have, but then again if any players move on or have their heads turned then it will also be for huge money. We are on a bit of a poor run currently but lets not forget that 4 of our last 5 games have been against high flying sides and the Villa game was just a fluke. Would be nice to give the spuds an absolute hammering at the w/end to get us back on track.
I think Ramirez is the likeliest to leave. Could we benefit from a loan of Zaha to give us a different option?
I see the next permanent signings coming after the season end when there will be better options available at more sensible prices. A couple of our squad will be moved on then for upgraded targets that have been well scouted.
I can see Nicola playing hardball over any transfers out of the club. The end of season transfer window could be vey interesting and exciting for the club. I suppose a lot depends upon our final finishing position. Even if we finish just outside of European qualification that might be good for attracting quality players as they could be convinced that they are the final piece in the jigsaw.
[quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: Personally I don't think we need to pay silly money for more signings . If Gaston moves on there is obviously an opportunity to replace hime with a flying wide man. Our main task is holding on to what we already have, but then again if any players move on or have their heads turned then it will also be for huge money. We are on a bit of a poor run currently but lets not forget that 4 of our last 5 games have been against high flying sides and the Villa game was just a fluke. Would be nice to give the spuds an absolute hammering at the w/end to get us back on track.[/p][/quote]I think Ramirez is the likeliest to leave. Could we benefit from a loan of Zaha to give us a different option? I see the next permanent signings coming after the season end when there will be better options available at more sensible prices. A couple of our squad will be moved on then for upgraded targets that have been well scouted.[/p][/quote]I can see Nicola playing hardball over any transfers out of the club. The end of season transfer window could be vey interesting and exciting for the club. I suppose a lot depends upon our final finishing position. Even if we finish just outside of European qualification that might be good for attracting quality players as they could be convinced that they are the final piece in the jigsaw. Clever Dick

10:24am Thu 19 Dec 13

Dubai-saints89 says...

out Ramirez goes in Zaha (Loan) comes. ill be happy with that.

apart from that i am happy with the squad. we showed our 2nd string can get points against top teams like citeh and Newcastle. imagine when were at full strength? will Finnish 7th this season
out Ramirez goes in Zaha (Loan) comes. ill be happy with that. apart from that i am happy with the squad. we showed our 2nd string can get points against top teams like citeh and Newcastle. imagine when were at full strength? will Finnish 7th this season Dubai-saints89

10:54am Thu 19 Dec 13

Rising_Son says...

Dubai-saints89 wrote:
out Ramirez goes in Zaha (Loan) comes. ill be happy with that.

apart from that i am happy with the squad. we showed our 2nd string can get points against top teams like citeh and Newcastle. imagine when were at full strength? will Finnish 7th this season
If Zaha is that good, why a loan? It doesn't make much sense.
[quote][p][bold]Dubai-saints89[/bold] wrote: out Ramirez goes in Zaha (Loan) comes. ill be happy with that. apart from that i am happy with the squad. we showed our 2nd string can get points against top teams like citeh and Newcastle. imagine when were at full strength? will Finnish 7th this season[/p][/quote]If Zaha is that good, why a loan? It doesn't make much sense. Rising_Son

10:58am Thu 19 Dec 13

Saint Jamie says...

I think we need to sign a top keeper maybe just on loan so gazza can go out on loan to gain some experience.
Maybe even another class centre back to partner lovren to make our defence even more tank-like and offload Hoover or yoshida using fonte as back up. Would still be happy if we don't sign anyone the squad is top 8 capable for sure.
I think we need to sign a top keeper maybe just on loan so gazza can go out on loan to gain some experience. Maybe even another class centre back to partner lovren to make our defence even more tank-like and offload Hoover or yoshida using fonte as back up. Would still be happy if we don't sign anyone the squad is top 8 capable for sure. Saint Jamie

11:02am Thu 19 Dec 13

Saint Jamie says...

If we sign Diego from Wolfsburg to replace ramirez I think he would be a world class signing and give us that bit of pace we lack upfront and creativity.
J rod , Lallana and Diego as the supporting 3. I can only imagine how lethal that could be!
If we sign Diego from Wolfsburg to replace ramirez I think he would be a world class signing and give us that bit of pace we lack upfront and creativity. J rod , Lallana and Diego as the supporting 3. I can only imagine how lethal that could be! Saint Jamie

11:06am Thu 19 Dec 13

Mush On The Beach says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Dubai-saints89 wrote:
out Ramirez goes in Zaha (Loan) comes. ill be happy with that.

apart from that i am happy with the squad. we showed our 2nd string can get points against top teams like citeh and Newcastle. imagine when were at full strength? will Finnish 7th this season
If Zaha is that good, why a loan? It doesn't make much sense.
Because Manure won’t sell him, Everton are a potential top 4 side because of their successful loan of Lukaku who Chelski won’t sell either. It makes some sense to me.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dubai-saints89[/bold] wrote: out Ramirez goes in Zaha (Loan) comes. ill be happy with that. apart from that i am happy with the squad. we showed our 2nd string can get points against top teams like citeh and Newcastle. imagine when were at full strength? will Finnish 7th this season[/p][/quote]If Zaha is that good, why a loan? It doesn't make much sense.[/p][/quote]Because Manure won’t sell him, Everton are a potential top 4 side because of their successful loan of Lukaku who Chelski won’t sell either. It makes some sense to me. Mush On The Beach

11:11am Thu 19 Dec 13

Dubai-saints89 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Dubai-saints89 wrote:
out Ramirez goes in Zaha (Loan) comes. ill be happy with that.

apart from that i am happy with the squad. we showed our 2nd string can get points against top teams like citeh and Newcastle. imagine when were at full strength? will Finnish 7th this season
If Zaha is that good, why a loan? It doesn't make much sense.
no way will Moyes let him go for good.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dubai-saints89[/bold] wrote: out Ramirez goes in Zaha (Loan) comes. ill be happy with that. apart from that i am happy with the squad. we showed our 2nd string can get points against top teams like citeh and Newcastle. imagine when were at full strength? will Finnish 7th this season[/p][/quote]If Zaha is that good, why a loan? It doesn't make much sense.[/p][/quote]no way will Moyes let him go for good. Dubai-saints89

12:51pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Rising_Son says...

Dubai-saints89 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Dubai-saints89 wrote:
out Ramirez goes in Zaha (Loan) comes. ill be happy with that.

apart from that i am happy with the squad. we showed our 2nd string can get points against top teams like citeh and Newcastle. imagine when were at full strength? will Finnish 7th this season
If Zaha is that good, why a loan? It doesn't make much sense.
no way will Moyes let him go for good.
If he's that good what makes you think Moyes let him go temporarily.
[quote][p][bold]Dubai-saints89[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dubai-saints89[/bold] wrote: out Ramirez goes in Zaha (Loan) comes. ill be happy with that. apart from that i am happy with the squad. we showed our 2nd string can get points against top teams like citeh and Newcastle. imagine when were at full strength? will Finnish 7th this season[/p][/quote]If Zaha is that good, why a loan? It doesn't make much sense.[/p][/quote]no way will Moyes let him go for good.[/p][/quote]If he's that good what makes you think Moyes let him go temporarily. Rising_Son

1:13pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Mush On The Beach says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Dubai-saints89 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Dubai-saints89 wrote:
out Ramirez goes in Zaha (Loan) comes. ill be happy with that.

apart from that i am happy with the squad. we showed our 2nd string can get points against top teams like citeh and Newcastle. imagine when were at full strength? will Finnish 7th this season
If Zaha is that good, why a loan? It doesn't make much sense.
no way will Moyes let him go for good.
If he's that good what makes you think Moyes let him go temporarily.
What makes you think he won’t?
You are missing the original point anyway. It’s about identifying potential loans rather than buying over-inflated players in this window.
You ask so many questions on here, I’m beginning to think you are Bamber Gascoigne in disguise.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dubai-saints89[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dubai-saints89[/bold] wrote: out Ramirez goes in Zaha (Loan) comes. ill be happy with that. apart from that i am happy with the squad. we showed our 2nd string can get points against top teams like citeh and Newcastle. imagine when were at full strength? will Finnish 7th this season[/p][/quote]If Zaha is that good, why a loan? It doesn't make much sense.[/p][/quote]no way will Moyes let him go for good.[/p][/quote]If he's that good what makes you think Moyes let him go temporarily.[/p][/quote]What makes you think he won’t? You are missing the original point anyway. It’s about identifying potential loans rather than buying over-inflated players in this window. You ask so many questions on here, I’m beginning to think you are Bamber Gascoigne in disguise. Mush On The Beach

1:16pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Dubai-saints89 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Dubai-saints89 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Dubai-saints89 wrote:
out Ramirez goes in Zaha (Loan) comes. ill be happy with that.

apart from that i am happy with the squad. we showed our 2nd string can get points against top teams like citeh and Newcastle. imagine when were at full strength? will Finnish 7th this season
If Zaha is that good, why a loan? It doesn't make much sense.
no way will Moyes let him go for good.
If he's that good what makes you think Moyes let him go temporarily.
moyes aint got a clue what hes doing, just look at the current state of United. if you've watched any of the England u21 games this year you would know how valuable he is. fergie didnt splash all the cash on him for nothing.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dubai-saints89[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dubai-saints89[/bold] wrote: out Ramirez goes in Zaha (Loan) comes. ill be happy with that. apart from that i am happy with the squad. we showed our 2nd string can get points against top teams like citeh and Newcastle. imagine when were at full strength? will Finnish 7th this season[/p][/quote]If Zaha is that good, why a loan? It doesn't make much sense.[/p][/quote]no way will Moyes let him go for good.[/p][/quote]If he's that good what makes you think Moyes let him go temporarily.[/p][/quote]moyes aint got a clue what hes doing, just look at the current state of United. if you've watched any of the England u21 games this year you would know how valuable he is. fergie didnt splash all the cash on him for nothing. Dubai-saints89

1:17pm Thu 19 Dec 13

milton road says...

They were talking on the TV the other day that Morgan would be a good investment for a top club worth around 25 million. People talking about Shaw for 20 million. So many media still seem to not of got the message that we do not need to sell.
I think we will keep our players for this season and next season if we finish top 10. But there is going to come a time when our best players will want CL football.
I still think we need a striker we do not score enough goals and now Jay seems to be our top striker with one of the others. We need someone that can match him for pace, like Davis did for the equaliser Saturday. I think to get the best out of jay we need a pacey front man with him who is clinical.
Yoshida was rusty against Villa and at fault with 1st and 3rd goal, I still rate him better than Hoov though.
Keeper wise depends if we feel we need to buy for long term both K Davis and Buroc are getting older. In fairness to Gazz to get dropped into a game at Stamford Bridge at its peak is hard for any keeper and then to settle in against a Villa side who hit us with three goals. I do not really think Buroc would of done any better. he did fine against City.
Against City he hesitated and was a split second late where Chambers cleared off the line and as for the mess from the pass back, it should never of been passed back to him he was already being closed down. The golden rule of football, don't give dodgy pass backs. We ride our luck with some of these pass backs.

I think we will improve next season, but I think to keep all our players we must finish top ten this season. i think Shaw will give us a couple more because he has time on his side and gets first team football. But Morgan may be tempted he will be 25 next season. The club need to show certain players we are looking to move forward. Don't need a lot just a bit of tuning. We also need good fast cover at left back.
They were talking on the TV the other day that Morgan would be a good investment for a top club worth around 25 million. People talking about Shaw for 20 million. So many media still seem to not of got the message that we do not need to sell. I think we will keep our players for this season and next season if we finish top 10. But there is going to come a time when our best players will want CL football. I still think we need a striker we do not score enough goals and now Jay seems to be our top striker with one of the others. We need someone that can match him for pace, like Davis did for the equaliser Saturday. I think to get the best out of jay we need a pacey front man with him who is clinical. Yoshida was rusty against Villa and at fault with 1st and 3rd goal, I still rate him better than Hoov though. Keeper wise depends if we feel we need to buy for long term both K Davis and Buroc are getting older. In fairness to Gazz to get dropped into a game at Stamford Bridge at its peak is hard for any keeper and then to settle in against a Villa side who hit us with three goals. I do not really think Buroc would of done any better. he did fine against City. Against City he hesitated and was a split second late where Chambers cleared off the line and as for the mess from the pass back, it should never of been passed back to him he was already being closed down. The golden rule of football, don't give dodgy pass backs. We ride our luck with some of these pass backs. I think we will improve next season, but I think to keep all our players we must finish top ten this season. i think Shaw will give us a couple more because he has time on his side and gets first team football. But Morgan may be tempted he will be 25 next season. The club need to show certain players we are looking to move forward. Don't need a lot just a bit of tuning. We also need good fast cover at left back. milton road

1:20pm Thu 19 Dec 13

milton road says...

should of been Newcastle not city sorry
should of been Newcastle not city sorry milton road

1:56pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Costa Baz says...

I actually think a bargain could be obtained, in this window.

There are a lot of players that see playing in the World Cup, in Brazil no less, as the Holy Grail.

Those that are fringe players for their country, but not getting regular game time at their club, could be tempted to move in order to get some games and heighten their chances of going to Brazil.

True their club might whack the transfer fee up, but then that may be counter balanced by the player taking a sensible wage and/or the potential extra prize money from finishing higher up the table.

There will be a number of players in this position and I am sure the back room boys at SMS will be aware of them.
I actually think a bargain could be obtained, in this window. There are a lot of players that see playing in the World Cup, in Brazil no less, as the Holy Grail. Those that are fringe players for their country, but not getting regular game time at their club, could be tempted to move in order to get some games and heighten their chances of going to Brazil. True their club might whack the transfer fee up, but then that may be counter balanced by the player taking a sensible wage and/or the potential extra prize money from finishing higher up the table. There will be a number of players in this position and I am sure the back room boys at SMS will be aware of them. Costa Baz

2:22pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Rising_Son says...

Mush On The Beach wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Dubai-saints89 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Dubai-saints89 wrote:
out Ramirez goes in Zaha (Loan) comes. ill be happy with that.

apart from that i am happy with the squad. we showed our 2nd string can get points against top teams like citeh and Newcastle. imagine when were at full strength? will Finnish 7th this season
If Zaha is that good, why a loan? It doesn't make much sense.
no way will Moyes let him go for good.
If he's that good what makes you think Moyes let him go temporarily.
What makes you think he won’t?
You are missing the original point anyway. It’s about identifying potential loans rather than buying over-inflated players in this window.
You ask so many questions on here, I’m beginning to think you are Bamber Gascoigne in disguise.
I can assure you I'm not Bamber Gascoigne in disguise or otherwise. I'm not keen on loans. Teams adapt their style of play so a loanee fits in, and then it all has to change when they leave. Loans didn't do much for us when we were in decline or since we've been back on the way up. I think they won't help us much now either.

I also think Moyes won't let him go because he's under pressure and he's going to be afraid to let anyone go, especially, to a team that is close to them in the league.
[quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dubai-saints89[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dubai-saints89[/bold] wrote: out Ramirez goes in Zaha (Loan) comes. ill be happy with that. apart from that i am happy with the squad. we showed our 2nd string can get points against top teams like citeh and Newcastle. imagine when were at full strength? will Finnish 7th this season[/p][/quote]If Zaha is that good, why a loan? It doesn't make much sense.[/p][/quote]no way will Moyes let him go for good.[/p][/quote]If he's that good what makes you think Moyes let him go temporarily.[/p][/quote]What makes you think he won’t? You are missing the original point anyway. It’s about identifying potential loans rather than buying over-inflated players in this window. You ask so many questions on here, I’m beginning to think you are Bamber Gascoigne in disguise.[/p][/quote]I can assure you I'm not Bamber Gascoigne in disguise or otherwise. I'm not keen on loans. Teams adapt their style of play so a loanee fits in, and then it all has to change when they leave. Loans didn't do much for us when we were in decline or since we've been back on the way up. I think they won't help us much now either. I also think Moyes won't let him go because he's under pressure and he's going to be afraid to let anyone go, especially, to a team that is close to them in the league. Rising_Son

4:16pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Poole Tom says...

I don`t agree with players being loaned by one club to another within the same league, but whilst the rules continue to allow it to happen it is something that we will no doubt consider. However overall I am very happy with our squad so as others have said there is absolutely no need for us to panic buy.
I don`t agree with players being loaned by one club to another within the same league, but whilst the rules continue to allow it to happen it is something that we will no doubt consider. However overall I am very happy with our squad so as others have said there is absolutely no need for us to panic buy. Poole Tom

4:17pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Chriops says...

Personally I thought that the article was pretty good. It was designed to get us talking about the transfer window, and it's doing just that.

I don't think that we'll sign anyone in January, but there could be an opportunity to bring in someone who needs top flight football, to get a chance of going to the world cup. I'm not saying that this will happen, but there will be players out there demanding to move, which could help stimulate the market more than a standard January window.

Working on the same premise, would Maya Yoshida demand a move? Mayuka was so concerned with the lack of game-time that he went on a season long loan, and it's good to see that he's scoring the odd goal.

I believe that it's time to sort out the goal keeping situation (in either this, or the summer window), and would like to see Gazza going out on loan, and a serious challenger for Boruc, preferably someone ready for first team football, but not too close to collecting his premier league pension.

So, to sum up, we probably won't sign anyone in January, but if the right players are available at the right price, I'm sure that we'll take the opportunity to improve the squad.
Personally I thought that the article was pretty good. It was designed to get us talking about the transfer window, and it's doing just that. I don't think that we'll sign anyone in January, but there could be an opportunity to bring in someone who needs top flight football, to get a chance of going to the world cup. I'm not saying that this will happen, but there will be players out there demanding to move, which could help stimulate the market more than a standard January window. Working on the same premise, would Maya Yoshida demand a move? Mayuka was so concerned with the lack of game-time that he went on a season long loan, and it's good to see that he's scoring the odd goal. I believe that it's time to sort out the goal keeping situation (in either this, or the summer window), and would like to see Gazza going out on loan, and a serious challenger for Boruc, preferably someone ready for first team football, but not too close to collecting his premier league pension. So, to sum up, we probably won't sign anyone in January, but if the right players are available at the right price, I'm sure that we'll take the opportunity to improve the squad. Chriops

5:16pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Malcombe says...

It is a very good article, it's not critical just realistic and honest, the Team has made a fantastic start to date so we must all be patient, in Sport nobody likes losing if they are honest and the Team and the Coaches hate it as much as we the Supporters. When Saints were in the top 4 everyone was pleased and all over Britain Southampton FC were the talk of the Premiership and still are so while the Team has a bad run it's obviously disappointing but this Manager is very intelligent and knows exactly how his and the Chairman's plan is progressing they won't panic buy, they want to generate the finances within the Club and that plan is moving, the Franchise must of multiplied, it's difficult to get tickets for home Games so a full house every Game, the DE asked 2 simple questions, does the Team need strengthening or not, nothing wrong with that and we are all entitled to our opinions so who's say what's right or wrong, I ticked the boxes and gave my opinion but the 2 best people who know are the most important in the Club that is Nicola Cortese and Mauricio Pochettino in these 2 we trust COYR hopefully I'll see them win at Everton and with a long journey home I hope the journey isn't in silence, thank goodness I'm a born optimist
It is a very good article, it's not critical just realistic and honest, the Team has made a fantastic start to date so we must all be patient, in Sport nobody likes losing if they are honest and the Team and the Coaches hate it as much as we the Supporters. When Saints were in the top 4 everyone was pleased and all over Britain Southampton FC were the talk of the Premiership and still are so while the Team has a bad run it's obviously disappointing but this Manager is very intelligent and knows exactly how his and the Chairman's plan is progressing they won't panic buy, they want to generate the finances within the Club and that plan is moving, the Franchise must of multiplied, it's difficult to get tickets for home Games so a full house every Game, the DE asked 2 simple questions, does the Team need strengthening or not, nothing wrong with that and we are all entitled to our opinions so who's say what's right or wrong, I ticked the boxes and gave my opinion but the 2 best people who know are the most important in the Club that is Nicola Cortese and Mauricio Pochettino in these 2 we trust COYR hopefully I'll see them win at Everton and with a long journey home I hope the journey isn't in silence, thank goodness I'm a born optimist Malcombe

6:20pm Thu 19 Dec 13

saint Compo says...

scottyparkerisaniron wrote:
Another prime example of The Echo desperately trying to fill up space with a lot of words that say not a lot. This piece is actually quite poorly written as well. Perhaps if I name enough Saints players in my article it will appear as if I am making some sort of analytic observation. Incorrect.
I think your comments are unfair. I think it's a sensible article and, of late, the Echo has been far more balanced in its comments about Saints. I hope fences are being mended between the Echo and the Club. It's in the interests of both that the newspaper is supportive of our local team but should feel free to criticise in a constructive manner when appropriate.

This forum is so much better now that the Poopey loonies have gone off with their tails between their legs. No doubt a few will still embarrass themselves from time to time with an envious post but we can just see the funny side of that.

COYR
[quote][p][bold]scottyparkerisaniron[/bold] wrote: Another prime example of The Echo desperately trying to fill up space with a lot of words that say not a lot. This piece is actually quite poorly written as well. Perhaps if I name enough Saints players in my article it will appear as if I am making some sort of analytic observation. Incorrect.[/p][/quote]I think your comments are unfair. I think it's a sensible article and, of late, the Echo has been far more balanced in its comments about Saints. I hope fences are being mended between the Echo and the Club. It's in the interests of both that the newspaper is supportive of our local team but should feel free to criticise in a constructive manner when appropriate. This forum is so much better now that the Poopey loonies have gone off with their tails between their legs. No doubt a few will still embarrass themselves from time to time with an envious post but we can just see the funny side of that. COYR saint Compo

6:28pm Thu 19 Dec 13

saint Compo says...

Mush On The Beach wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Personally I don't think we need to pay silly money for more signings . If Gaston moves on there is obviously an opportunity to replace hime with a flying wide man. Our main task is holding on to what we already have, but then again if any players move on or have their heads turned then it will also be for huge money. We are on a bit of a poor run currently but lets not forget that 4 of our last 5 games have been against high flying sides and the Villa game was just a fluke. Would be nice to give the spuds an absolute hammering at the w/end to get us back on track.
I think Ramirez is the likeliest to leave. Could we benefit from a loan of Zaha to give us a different option?
I see the next permanent signings coming after the season end when there will be better options available at more sensible prices. A couple of our squad will be moved on then for upgraded targets that have been well scouted.
I wouldn't touch Zaha with a barge pole. I watched his dreadful performance in a recent England Under 21 game in which Shaw and JWP starred. Zaha spent the match showboating until Southgate got fed up with him and took him off.

COYR
[quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: Personally I don't think we need to pay silly money for more signings . If Gaston moves on there is obviously an opportunity to replace hime with a flying wide man. Our main task is holding on to what we already have, but then again if any players move on or have their heads turned then it will also be for huge money. We are on a bit of a poor run currently but lets not forget that 4 of our last 5 games have been against high flying sides and the Villa game was just a fluke. Would be nice to give the spuds an absolute hammering at the w/end to get us back on track.[/p][/quote]I think Ramirez is the likeliest to leave. Could we benefit from a loan of Zaha to give us a different option? I see the next permanent signings coming after the season end when there will be better options available at more sensible prices. A couple of our squad will be moved on then for upgraded targets that have been well scouted.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't touch Zaha with a barge pole. I watched his dreadful performance in a recent England Under 21 game in which Shaw and JWP starred. Zaha spent the match showboating until Southgate got fed up with him and took him off. COYR saint Compo

6:47pm Thu 19 Dec 13

redsnapper says...

Just look at the discontent and unhappiness at the spend, spend, spend clubs like Spurs and Chelsea.. ok they have more points than us but their mostly fickle fans are all whinging week in week out.

If the FA ever find the balls to limit overseas imports to benefit the home grown young talent we would be deservedly top of the league.

Too many changes hardly ever work--Saints are developing at the right pace.

COYR and give Tim Sherwood another big reality check!!
Just look at the discontent and unhappiness at the spend, spend, spend clubs like Spurs and Chelsea.. ok they have more points than us but their mostly fickle fans are all whinging week in week out. If the FA ever find the balls to limit overseas imports to benefit the home grown young talent we would be deservedly top of the league. Too many changes hardly ever work--Saints are developing at the right pace. COYR and give Tim Sherwood another big reality check!! redsnapper

9:02pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Mush On The Beach wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Dubai-saints89 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Dubai-saints89 wrote:
out Ramirez goes in Zaha (Loan) comes. ill be happy with that.

apart from that i am happy with the squad. we showed our 2nd string can get points against top teams like citeh and Newcastle. imagine when were at full strength? will Finnish 7th this season
If Zaha is that good, why a loan? It doesn't make much sense.
no way will Moyes let him go for good.
If he's that good what makes you think Moyes let him go temporarily.
What makes you think he won’t?
You are missing the original point anyway. It’s about identifying potential loans rather than buying over-inflated players in this window.
You ask so many questions on here, I’m beginning to think you are Bamber Gascoigne in disguise.
I can assure you I'm not Bamber Gascoigne in disguise or otherwise. I'm not keen on loans. Teams adapt their style of play so a loanee fits in, and then it all has to change when they leave. Loans didn't do much for us when we were in decline or since we've been back on the way up. I think they won't help us much now either.

I also think Moyes won't let him go because he's under pressure and he's going to be afraid to let anyone go, especially, to a team that is close to them in the league.
More to the point, I don't think NC likes loans. Can anyone remember the last player we got in on loan?
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dubai-saints89[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dubai-saints89[/bold] wrote: out Ramirez goes in Zaha (Loan) comes. ill be happy with that. apart from that i am happy with the squad. we showed our 2nd string can get points against top teams like citeh and Newcastle. imagine when were at full strength? will Finnish 7th this season[/p][/quote]If Zaha is that good, why a loan? It doesn't make much sense.[/p][/quote]no way will Moyes let him go for good.[/p][/quote]If he's that good what makes you think Moyes let him go temporarily.[/p][/quote]What makes you think he won’t? You are missing the original point anyway. It’s about identifying potential loans rather than buying over-inflated players in this window. You ask so many questions on here, I’m beginning to think you are Bamber Gascoigne in disguise.[/p][/quote]I can assure you I'm not Bamber Gascoigne in disguise or otherwise. I'm not keen on loans. Teams adapt their style of play so a loanee fits in, and then it all has to change when they leave. Loans didn't do much for us when we were in decline or since we've been back on the way up. I think they won't help us much now either. I also think Moyes won't let him go because he's under pressure and he's going to be afraid to let anyone go, especially, to a team that is close to them in the league.[/p][/quote]More to the point, I don't think NC likes loans. Can anyone remember the last player we got in on loan? Strasbourg Saint

10:30pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Santa Retfordia says...

It's worth mentioning also that Zaha is a right cockey little knobber who would almost certainly disrupt the dressing room, which is a shame because he's got skillz.

Good article, though, Adam. You've been on fire of late.
It's worth mentioning also that Zaha is a right cockey little knobber who would almost certainly disrupt the dressing room, which is a shame because he's got skillz. Good article, though, Adam. You've been on fire of late. Santa Retfordia

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