Where do Southampton need to strengthen in the January transfer window?

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Where do you think Saints should be strengthening the playing squad in January?

With just a few weeks until the transfer window opens, it's time to see which positions Saints fans want Pochettino to bring players in for.

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10:57am Tue 17 Dec 13

worried of n e hampshire says...

just hope were strong enough to bat off any advances for our players
just hope were strong enough to bat off any advances for our players worried of n e hampshire

11:18am Tue 17 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

If we are to continue to progress, we have to strengthen the squad, but it has to be done with care, there have been plenty of lessons to be learned, Spurs have been a good example of how not to do it. You can never know how injuries will come and affect the team, so the insurance of having quality squad players is vital, but very difficult, as class players do not appreciate being kept on the bench. There have been many calls for a suitable goalkeeper, Artur is the number one and it will be hard to find anyone as good or better than him, but I hope our scouts are out there looking for a suitable candidate, I think Kelvin has been great for us but I suspect he will not be good enough or the future, Gazza has a way to go before he is up to it full time, (in my opinion that is). It would be nice to have the option of a free scoring forward on the books, and maybe a quick winger to provide an option. It rather depends on the finance available, plus the will to invest it, but I don't think there is a bottomless pot anymore and perhaps a bit of prudence in January and maybe a bit more in the summer to keep the dream on course. If we have to let anyone go, make sure we have a ready made successor, but I hope it doesn't come to that, in NC and MP we trust.
If we are to continue to progress, we have to strengthen the squad, but it has to be done with care, there have been plenty of lessons to be learned, Spurs have been a good example of how not to do it. You can never know how injuries will come and affect the team, so the insurance of having quality squad players is vital, but very difficult, as class players do not appreciate being kept on the bench. There have been many calls for a suitable goalkeeper, Artur is the number one and it will be hard to find anyone as good or better than him, but I hope our scouts are out there looking for a suitable candidate, I think Kelvin has been great for us but I suspect he will not be good enough or the future, Gazza has a way to go before he is up to it full time, (in my opinion that is). It would be nice to have the option of a free scoring forward on the books, and maybe a quick winger to provide an option. It rather depends on the finance available, plus the will to invest it, but I don't think there is a bottomless pot anymore and perhaps a bit of prudence in January and maybe a bit more in the summer to keep the dream on course. If we have to let anyone go, make sure we have a ready made successor, but I hope it doesn't come to that, in NC and MP we trust. OSPREYSAINT

11:26am Tue 17 Dec 13

Saint. says...

For me a center back in Lovern quality.

A striker! Though I think Osvaldo is still finding his feet and will come good for Saints, and Rod is going from strength to strength and looking good penetrating defences with ease now, and with Mr reliable Sir Ricky! We really need a striker to scare the pants off defenders and when we are attacking will score goals more regular and quick/instant in the attack!

We have out played so man team this season , that if we had a finisher in Saurez or Ronaldo quality we wold put many a game to bed quicker!

Before the comments, the above I accept is not easy to find unless you pay really silly wages! But truly hope Saints are really looking to find that undiscovered gem out there who scores without thinking so to speak.
For me a center back in Lovern quality. A striker! Though I think Osvaldo is still finding his feet and will come good for Saints, and Rod is going from strength to strength and looking good penetrating defences with ease now, and with Mr reliable Sir Ricky! We really need a striker to scare the pants off defenders and when we are attacking will score goals more regular and quick/instant in the attack! We have out played so man team this season , that if we had a finisher in Saurez or Ronaldo quality we wold put many a game to bed quicker! Before the comments, the above I accept is not easy to find unless you pay really silly wages! But truly hope Saints are really looking to find that undiscovered gem out there who scores without thinking so to speak. Saint.

11:39am Tue 17 Dec 13

notaclue says...

My January wish list
Alex McCarthy from Reading to rotate with Artur
A quality CB to rotate with Lovren and Fonte
A creative midfielder like Banega to rotate with Adam
A poven goal scorer with pace up front like Lukaku

If we are serious about Europe then at some stage things like this will have to happen and the squad must be made stronger. Otherwise Europe would ruin our season like it did for Newcaste last seson.

Barnard, Sharp, Gaston etc should all be cleared out if possible.
My January wish list Alex McCarthy from Reading to rotate with Artur A quality CB to rotate with Lovren and Fonte A creative midfielder like Banega to rotate with Adam A poven goal scorer with pace up front like Lukaku If we are serious about Europe then at some stage things like this will have to happen and the squad must be made stronger. Otherwise Europe would ruin our season like it did for Newcaste last seson. Barnard, Sharp, Gaston etc should all be cleared out if possible. notaclue

11:41am Tue 17 Dec 13

Egomaniac says...

Both Osprey and Saint talk a lot of sense in my opinion.

We certainly need another top quality goalkeeper to give Boruc competition once he is fit again.

I think our midfield is pretty srong, but it's up front that gives me most qualms. Osvaldo and Lambert are short of striking prowess right now, despite Osvaldo's superb goal last week. It seemed to be a one off which shows what he can produce, but we need to see it more often - look at Suarez!!

It is always going to be difficult to attract the best quality, simply because we are not (at present) in Europe - seemingly a must to tempt the best - and the cream is not going to come to be a bench warmer.

We are certainly feeling the strain when key players suffer injuries, but I do believe the NC and MP plan will see us rise to the top four within the next couple or three seasons.

Despite our recent hiccup - two points from fifteen - I have no doubts that Saints will recover strongly under our present leadership.

This season has been one of the most exciting I have experienced over the last 60+ years - long may it continue.
Both Osprey and Saint talk a lot of sense in my opinion. We certainly need another top quality goalkeeper to give Boruc competition once he is fit again. I think our midfield is pretty srong, but it's up front that gives me most qualms. Osvaldo and Lambert are short of striking prowess right now, despite Osvaldo's superb goal last week. It seemed to be a one off which shows what he can produce, but we need to see it more often - look at Suarez!! It is always going to be difficult to attract the best quality, simply because we are not (at present) in Europe - seemingly a must to tempt the best - and the cream is not going to come to be a bench warmer. We are certainly feeling the strain when key players suffer injuries, but I do believe the NC and MP plan will see us rise to the top four within the next couple or three seasons. Despite our recent hiccup - two points from fifteen - I have no doubts that Saints will recover strongly under our present leadership. This season has been one of the most exciting I have experienced over the last 60+ years - long may it continue. Egomaniac

11:43am Tue 17 Dec 13

saint Compo says...

Strengthen at centre back. Tricky though because Fonte and especially Lovren have done very well as the first choice pair and any addition would have to be better than Hooiveld and Yoshida, either as first back-up or to challenge for Fonte's place. Yoshida would have to be transferred out.

In goal, Boruc is fine as first choice but the back-up is weak with an ageing Davis and an inexperienced Gazzaniga. The latter will take a few years to reach maturity for Premier League duties and there's no guarantee that he will succeed (as the once much vaunted Bialkowski did not).

In midfield we are OK, even with the surely inevitable departure of Ramirez in January.

Up front, scoring goals is still a problem and much depends on Osvaldo's ability to adapt to the English game. JRod is coming on well. If we add another striker, maybe Lambo would have to depart (to West Ham?), if only to give him enough opportunity to convince Hodgson that he should go to Brazil. That would be a very unpopular decision with the fans but Nicola has not shirked from making controversial decisions before (and soon been forgiven),

Of greater concern to me is the risk that some of our leading lights (Shaw, Lallana, JRod and even Spiderman) are poached by 'bigger' clubs in the January window.

COYR
Strengthen at centre back. Tricky though because Fonte and especially Lovren have done very well as the first choice pair and any addition would have to be better than Hooiveld and Yoshida, either as first back-up or to challenge for Fonte's place. Yoshida would have to be transferred out. In goal, Boruc is fine as first choice but the back-up is weak with an ageing Davis and an inexperienced Gazzaniga. The latter will take a few years to reach maturity for Premier League duties and there's no guarantee that he will succeed (as the once much vaunted Bialkowski did not). In midfield we are OK, even with the surely inevitable departure of Ramirez in January. Up front, scoring goals is still a problem and much depends on Osvaldo's ability to adapt to the English game. JRod is coming on well. If we add another striker, maybe Lambo would have to depart (to West Ham?), if only to give him enough opportunity to convince Hodgson that he should go to Brazil. That would be a very unpopular decision with the fans but Nicola has not shirked from making controversial decisions before (and soon been forgiven), Of greater concern to me is the risk that some of our leading lights (Shaw, Lallana, JRod and even Spiderman) are poached by 'bigger' clubs in the January window. COYR saint Compo

11:48am Tue 17 Dec 13

Puddletown Saint says...

Well done Echo - a good article which all true Saints fans can debate.

The question is January window.

If was MoPo it has to be CB. We need cover as Yos and Hoover are to prone to errors. IMHO we need somebody to replace Jose (yes he has done well this season) but he is a good player but not excellent. I would have gone for Caulker but now it is Micah Richards (on loan at first). He must crave for first team action if he has any ambition for Brazil and so in theory will play out of his skin.

As for the summer - a winger such as Lennon, a striker such as Ings and a keeper of which Forster would be my choice.

Can also see a lot leaving in the summer. As previously said evolution not revolution. COYR.
Well done Echo - a good article which all true Saints fans can debate. The question is January window. If was MoPo it has to be CB. We need cover as Yos and Hoover are to prone to errors. IMHO we need somebody to replace Jose (yes he has done well this season) but he is a good player but not excellent. I would have gone for Caulker but now it is Micah Richards (on loan at first). He must crave for first team action if he has any ambition for Brazil and so in theory will play out of his skin. As for the summer - a winger such as Lennon, a striker such as Ings and a keeper of which Forster would be my choice. Can also see a lot leaving in the summer. As previously said evolution not revolution. COYR. Puddletown Saint

12:10pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Confucious says...

We need a goalkeeper plus a really good expert pitchside and backroom tactical/strategic adviser for both MoPo and Nicola.

I have ruled myself out of the goalkeeper position due to age and lack of ability.
We need a goalkeeper plus a really good expert pitchside and backroom tactical/strategic adviser for both MoPo and Nicola. I have ruled myself out of the goalkeeper position due to age and lack of ability. Confucious

12:22pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Jesus_02 says...

If I could hand pick a type of player it would be a CB that can cover at LB. The idea of Fox playing against anyone decent scares me. Although Clyne does well if covering and we have Target waiting in the wings I still feel we are short in that area.

I also thought that we really missed Lallana for the first half at Newcastle. Not saying it was done on purpose but it definitely illustrated a point.

That said if anyone comes in it will be because they fit the model not to cover a weakness. Therefore I expect we will sign a young forward!
If I could hand pick a type of player it would be a CB that can cover at LB. The idea of Fox playing against anyone decent scares me. Although Clyne does well if covering and we have Target waiting in the wings I still feel we are short in that area. I also thought that we really missed Lallana for the first half at Newcastle. Not saying it was done on purpose but it definitely illustrated a point. That said if anyone comes in it will be because they fit the model not to cover a weakness. Therefore I expect we will sign a young forward! Jesus_02

12:23pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Sadoldgitte says...

No1 priority a new goalkeeper. No 2 a decent centre back. No 3 a goal scorer.
I would sell Osvaldo and Ramirez to pay for them.
No1 priority a new goalkeeper. No 2 a decent centre back. No 3 a goal scorer. I would sell Osvaldo and Ramirez to pay for them. Sadoldgitte

12:28pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Mush On The Beach says...

Puddletown Saint wrote:
Well done Echo - a good article which all true Saints fans can debate.

The question is January window.

If was MoPo it has to be CB. We need cover as Yos and Hoover are to prone to errors. IMHO we need somebody to replace Jose (yes he has done well this season) but he is a good player but not excellent. I would have gone for Caulker but now it is Micah Richards (on loan at first). He must crave for first team action if he has any ambition for Brazil and so in theory will play out of his skin.

As for the summer - a winger such as Lennon, a striker such as Ings and a keeper of which Forster would be my choice.

Can also see a lot leaving in the summer. As previously said evolution not revolution. COYR.
You had me at Richards but then lost me with Lennon.
Great topic for debate though everyone.
We should be scoring more goals but I think a proportion of it maybe a by-product of our system rather than the players. The high press is great but it leaves little free space for our forwards to operate in. We often seem to try and pass it through the eye of a needle like Arsenal used to be guilty of rather than shoot on sight.
As for new signings, how many decent players ever pass hands in this window for a sensible price?
I’d go for a couple of loans as Puddletown suggests that need exposure for the world cup like Micah Richards, Joe Hart and Suarez.
[quote][p][bold]Puddletown Saint[/bold] wrote: Well done Echo - a good article which all true Saints fans can debate. The question is January window. If was MoPo it has to be CB. We need cover as Yos and Hoover are to prone to errors. IMHO we need somebody to replace Jose (yes he has done well this season) but he is a good player but not excellent. I would have gone for Caulker but now it is Micah Richards (on loan at first). He must crave for first team action if he has any ambition for Brazil and so in theory will play out of his skin. As for the summer - a winger such as Lennon, a striker such as Ings and a keeper of which Forster would be my choice. Can also see a lot leaving in the summer. As previously said evolution not revolution. COYR.[/p][/quote]You had me at Richards but then lost me with Lennon. Great topic for debate though everyone. We should be scoring more goals but I think a proportion of it maybe a by-product of our system rather than the players. The high press is great but it leaves little free space for our forwards to operate in. We often seem to try and pass it through the eye of a needle like Arsenal used to be guilty of rather than shoot on sight. As for new signings, how many decent players ever pass hands in this window for a sensible price? I’d go for a couple of loans as Puddletown suggests that need exposure for the world cup like Micah Richards, Joe Hart and Suarez. Mush On The Beach

12:55pm Tue 17 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Confucious wrote:
We need a goalkeeper plus a really good expert pitchside and backroom tactical/strategic adviser for both MoPo and Nicola.

I have ruled myself out of the goalkeeper position due to age and lack of ability.
After Newcastle, will we need a new GK Coach? If so KD would fit the bill!
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: We need a goalkeeper plus a really good expert pitchside and backroom tactical/strategic adviser for both MoPo and Nicola. I have ruled myself out of the goalkeeper position due to age and lack of ability.[/p][/quote]After Newcastle, will we need a new GK Coach? If so KD would fit the bill! OSPREYSAINT

1:10pm Tue 17 Dec 13

m8ttwindsor says...

Gk - Everyones forgetting Boruc isn't young. The rest are pants to put it politely.
CB - Fonte isn't top 10 material, Hoovield & Yoshida arn't premiership material.
Winger - Even as a long term southampton supporter I do believe we only have one quality player and thats lallana. We need more pace and technical ability.
Striker - TELL OSVALDO TO BUCK UP HIS IDEAS AND PUT IN THE SAME SHIFT AS EVERYONE ELSE!

Get Rid of:
Kelvin, Hoovield, Fox, Gaston, Guly Do Prado

Get In:
Ceaser, Forster, (any one of the young german goalkeepers coming through), Richards, Kaboul, Astori, De Bruyne, Tadic, Mertens, Atsu.

AND at the end of the season buy BENTEKE, because hes going to be a hell of a lot cheaper than last year and the Villa team just arn't giving him the service he needs.
Gk - Everyones forgetting Boruc isn't young. The rest are pants to put it politely. CB - Fonte isn't top 10 material, Hoovield & Yoshida arn't premiership material. Winger - Even as a long term southampton supporter I do believe we only have one quality player and thats lallana. We need more pace and technical ability. Striker - TELL OSVALDO TO BUCK UP HIS IDEAS AND PUT IN THE SAME SHIFT AS EVERYONE ELSE! Get Rid of: Kelvin, Hoovield, Fox, Gaston, Guly Do Prado Get In: Ceaser, Forster, (any one of the young german goalkeepers coming through), Richards, Kaboul, Astori, De Bruyne, Tadic, Mertens, Atsu. AND at the end of the season buy BENTEKE, because hes going to be a hell of a lot cheaper than last year and the Villa team just arn't giving him the service he needs. m8ttwindsor

1:24pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Saintsayer II says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
If we are to continue to progress, we have to strengthen the squad, but it has to be done with care, there have been plenty of lessons to be learned, Spurs have been a good example of how not to do it. You can never know how injuries will come and affect the team, so the insurance of having quality squad players is vital, but very difficult, as class players do not appreciate being kept on the bench. There have been many calls for a suitable goalkeeper, Artur is the number one and it will be hard to find anyone as good or better than him, but I hope our scouts are out there looking for a suitable candidate, I think Kelvin has been great for us but I suspect he will not be good enough or the future, Gazza has a way to go before he is up to it full time, (in my opinion that is). It would be nice to have the option of a free scoring forward on the books, and maybe a quick winger to provide an option. It rather depends on the finance available, plus the will to invest it, but I don't think there is a bottomless pot anymore and perhaps a bit of prudence in January and maybe a bit more in the summer to keep the dream on course. If we have to let anyone go, make sure we have a ready made successor, but I hope it doesn't come to that, in NC and MP we trust.
The free scoring forward was meant to be Osvaldo
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: If we are to continue to progress, we have to strengthen the squad, but it has to be done with care, there have been plenty of lessons to be learned, Spurs have been a good example of how not to do it. You can never know how injuries will come and affect the team, so the insurance of having quality squad players is vital, but very difficult, as class players do not appreciate being kept on the bench. There have been many calls for a suitable goalkeeper, Artur is the number one and it will be hard to find anyone as good or better than him, but I hope our scouts are out there looking for a suitable candidate, I think Kelvin has been great for us but I suspect he will not be good enough or the future, Gazza has a way to go before he is up to it full time, (in my opinion that is). It would be nice to have the option of a free scoring forward on the books, and maybe a quick winger to provide an option. It rather depends on the finance available, plus the will to invest it, but I don't think there is a bottomless pot anymore and perhaps a bit of prudence in January and maybe a bit more in the summer to keep the dream on course. If we have to let anyone go, make sure we have a ready made successor, but I hope it doesn't come to that, in NC and MP we trust.[/p][/quote]The free scoring forward was meant to be Osvaldo Saintsayer II

1:27pm Tue 17 Dec 13

St Retford says...

I'm not convinced we need to strengthen at all.
I'm not convinced we need to strengthen at all. St Retford

1:45pm Tue 17 Dec 13

m8ttwindsor says...

St Retford wrote:
I'm not convinced we need to strengthen at all.
Really? we lose one GK & def and concede 8 in 5. more than weve conceded all year. Weve only scored 20 Goals this season, thats manipulated by the 4-1 we beat hull. 16 goals in 15 games is not top 8 material, barely top 10.

No replacement for Boruc
No replacement for Fonte/Lovren
No replacement for Shaw
No replacement for Wanyama
No replacement for Lallana.
No replacement for Rodriguez

There is alot to strengthen.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: I'm not convinced we need to strengthen at all.[/p][/quote]Really? we lose one GK & def and concede 8 in 5. more than weve conceded all year. Weve only scored 20 Goals this season, thats manipulated by the 4-1 we beat hull. 16 goals in 15 games is not top 8 material, barely top 10. No replacement for Boruc No replacement for Fonte/Lovren No replacement for Shaw No replacement for Wanyama No replacement for Lallana. No replacement for Rodriguez There is alot to strengthen. m8ttwindsor

1:46pm Tue 17 Dec 13

just kidding says...

I am wondering if Hernandez might be a good fit for us, a proven goal scoring poacher type who works hard. Lots of premier experience and I believe he is not too happy at United. Also Here's the Headline I would like to see after Sunday. "More woes for Spurs as Southampton take 3 points at St Mary's" (or words to that effect) Followed shortly by "Spurs appoint (anyone other than our guy cos frankly I couldn't give a crep ) as Manager.
I am wondering if Hernandez might be a good fit for us, a proven goal scoring poacher type who works hard. Lots of premier experience and I believe he is not too happy at United. Also Here's the Headline I would like to see after Sunday. "More woes for Spurs as Southampton take 3 points at St Mary's" (or words to that effect) Followed shortly by "Spurs appoint (anyone other than our guy cos frankly I couldn't give a crep ) as Manager. just kidding

1:48pm Tue 17 Dec 13

costa gaz says...

m8ttwindsor wrote:
Gk - Everyones forgetting Boruc isn't young. The rest are pants to put it politely.
CB - Fonte isn't top 10 material, Hoovield & Yoshida arn't premiership material.
Winger - Even as a long term southampton supporter I do believe we only have one quality player and thats lallana. We need more pace and technical ability.
Striker - TELL OSVALDO TO BUCK UP HIS IDEAS AND PUT IN THE SAME SHIFT AS EVERYONE ELSE!

Get Rid of:
Kelvin, Hoovield, Fox, Gaston, Guly Do Prado

Get In:
Ceaser, Forster, (any one of the young german goalkeepers coming through), Richards, Kaboul, Astori, De Bruyne, Tadic, Mertens, Atsu.

AND at the end of the season buy BENTEKE, because hes going to be a hell of a lot cheaper than last year and the Villa team just arn't giving him the service he needs.
That's one hell of a christmas list m8tt.
Do you still believe in Santa?
[quote][p][bold]m8ttwindsor[/bold] wrote: Gk - Everyones forgetting Boruc isn't young. The rest are pants to put it politely. CB - Fonte isn't top 10 material, Hoovield & Yoshida arn't premiership material. Winger - Even as a long term southampton supporter I do believe we only have one quality player and thats lallana. We need more pace and technical ability. Striker - TELL OSVALDO TO BUCK UP HIS IDEAS AND PUT IN THE SAME SHIFT AS EVERYONE ELSE! Get Rid of: Kelvin, Hoovield, Fox, Gaston, Guly Do Prado Get In: Ceaser, Forster, (any one of the young german goalkeepers coming through), Richards, Kaboul, Astori, De Bruyne, Tadic, Mertens, Atsu. AND at the end of the season buy BENTEKE, because hes going to be a hell of a lot cheaper than last year and the Villa team just arn't giving him the service he needs.[/p][/quote]That's one hell of a christmas list m8tt. Do you still believe in Santa? costa gaz

1:51pm Tue 17 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Saintsayer II wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
If we are to continue to progress, we have to strengthen the squad, but it has to be done with care, there have been plenty of lessons to be learned, Spurs have been a good example of how not to do it. You can never know how injuries will come and affect the team, so the insurance of having quality squad players is vital, but very difficult, as class players do not appreciate being kept on the bench. There have been many calls for a suitable goalkeeper, Artur is the number one and it will be hard to find anyone as good or better than him, but I hope our scouts are out there looking for a suitable candidate, I think Kelvin has been great for us but I suspect he will not be good enough or the future, Gazza has a way to go before he is up to it full time, (in my opinion that is). It would be nice to have the option of a free scoring forward on the books, and maybe a quick winger to provide an option. It rather depends on the finance available, plus the will to invest it, but I don't think there is a bottomless pot anymore and perhaps a bit of prudence in January and maybe a bit more in the summer to keep the dream on course. If we have to let anyone go, make sure we have a ready made successor, but I hope it doesn't come to that, in NC and MP we trust.
The free scoring forward was meant to be Osvaldo
Give him a bit of leeway, the Premier has been a bit of a culture shock and is different from his previous experience, he does appear to have got himself in the swing of things clubwise, he showed a bit too much passion on Saturday, why would he do that if wasn't part of dream? He has proved he can score worldies, just want him to do it more often.
[quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: If we are to continue to progress, we have to strengthen the squad, but it has to be done with care, there have been plenty of lessons to be learned, Spurs have been a good example of how not to do it. You can never know how injuries will come and affect the team, so the insurance of having quality squad players is vital, but very difficult, as class players do not appreciate being kept on the bench. There have been many calls for a suitable goalkeeper, Artur is the number one and it will be hard to find anyone as good or better than him, but I hope our scouts are out there looking for a suitable candidate, I think Kelvin has been great for us but I suspect he will not be good enough or the future, Gazza has a way to go before he is up to it full time, (in my opinion that is). It would be nice to have the option of a free scoring forward on the books, and maybe a quick winger to provide an option. It rather depends on the finance available, plus the will to invest it, but I don't think there is a bottomless pot anymore and perhaps a bit of prudence in January and maybe a bit more in the summer to keep the dream on course. If we have to let anyone go, make sure we have a ready made successor, but I hope it doesn't come to that, in NC and MP we trust.[/p][/quote]The free scoring forward was meant to be Osvaldo[/p][/quote]Give him a bit of leeway, the Premier has been a bit of a culture shock and is different from his previous experience, he does appear to have got himself in the swing of things clubwise, he showed a bit too much passion on Saturday, why would he do that if wasn't part of dream? He has proved he can score worldies, just want him to do it more often. OSPREYSAINT

1:54pm Tue 17 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

m8ttwindsor wrote:
St Retford wrote:
I'm not convinced we need to strengthen at all.
Really? we lose one GK & def and concede 8 in 5. more than weve conceded all year. Weve only scored 20 Goals this season, thats manipulated by the 4-1 we beat hull. 16 goals in 15 games is not top 8 material, barely top 10.

No replacement for Boruc
No replacement for Fonte/Lovren
No replacement for Shaw
No replacement for Wanyama
No replacement for Lallana.
No replacement for Rodriguez

There is alot to strengthen.
1 - 0 wins count three points, same as 6 - 3 wins. Goal difference may be important in the long run, but getting the points is the first priority.
[quote][p][bold]m8ttwindsor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: I'm not convinced we need to strengthen at all.[/p][/quote]Really? we lose one GK & def and concede 8 in 5. more than weve conceded all year. Weve only scored 20 Goals this season, thats manipulated by the 4-1 we beat hull. 16 goals in 15 games is not top 8 material, barely top 10. No replacement for Boruc No replacement for Fonte/Lovren No replacement for Shaw No replacement for Wanyama No replacement for Lallana. No replacement for Rodriguez There is alot to strengthen.[/p][/quote]1 - 0 wins count three points, same as 6 - 3 wins. Goal difference may be important in the long run, but getting the points is the first priority. OSPREYSAINT

1:59pm Tue 17 Dec 13

m8ttwindsor says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
m8ttwindsor wrote:
St Retford wrote: I'm not convinced we need to strengthen at all.
Really? we lose one GK & def and concede 8 in 5. more than weve conceded all year. Weve only scored 20 Goals this season, thats manipulated by the 4-1 we beat hull. 16 goals in 15 games is not top 8 material, barely top 10. No replacement for Boruc No replacement for Fonte/Lovren No replacement for Shaw No replacement for Wanyama No replacement for Lallana. No replacement for Rodriguez There is alot to strengthen.
1 - 0 wins count three points, same as 6 - 3 wins. Goal difference may be important in the long run, but getting the points is the first priority.
We could of killed the games off in the first 20 mins but havent been able to. If we'd of had a proven 20 goals a season premier league top 8 striker we would be in the top 6 right now. I fully except points are points but pochettino is struggling with his gameplan with the players hes got i.e. Kill the the game early on then control it with the high press afterwards. This is why improvement in the squad is needed

Btw im not being argumentitive even if my tone sounds a little that way!!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]m8ttwindsor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: I'm not convinced we need to strengthen at all.[/p][/quote]Really? we lose one GK & def and concede 8 in 5. more than weve conceded all year. Weve only scored 20 Goals this season, thats manipulated by the 4-1 we beat hull. 16 goals in 15 games is not top 8 material, barely top 10. No replacement for Boruc No replacement for Fonte/Lovren No replacement for Shaw No replacement for Wanyama No replacement for Lallana. No replacement for Rodriguez There is alot to strengthen.[/p][/quote]1 - 0 wins count three points, same as 6 - 3 wins. Goal difference may be important in the long run, but getting the points is the first priority.[/p][/quote]We could of killed the games off in the first 20 mins but havent been able to. If we'd of had a proven 20 goals a season premier league top 8 striker we would be in the top 6 right now. I fully except points are points but pochettino is struggling with his gameplan with the players hes got i.e. Kill the the game early on then control it with the high press afterwards. This is why improvement in the squad is needed Btw im not being argumentitive even if my tone sounds a little that way!! m8ttwindsor

2:05pm Tue 17 Dec 13

m8ttwindsor says...

Ceaser £2m
Forster £8m
Kaboul £8m
Richards £6m
Astori £8m
Mertens £12m
Tadic £8m
Atsu ON A FREE
De Bruyne SEASON LOAN

Beneteke will be under £10m by the end of the season....

For a team wanting europe consistantly (from the board, players & manager that is) these are the types of players we need.
Ceaser £2m Forster £8m Kaboul £8m Richards £6m Astori £8m Mertens £12m Tadic £8m Atsu ON A FREE De Bruyne SEASON LOAN Beneteke will be under £10m by the end of the season.... For a team wanting europe consistantly (from the board, players & manager that is) these are the types of players we need. m8ttwindsor

2:05pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Confucious says...

Mmmm...overall then, it looks as if the consensus is we need new players to ensure that:

A) Less goals are conceded.

and

B) More goals are scored.

in order that:

C) More games are won
Mmmm...overall then, it looks as if the consensus is we need new players to ensure that: A) Less goals are conceded. and B) More goals are scored. in order that: C) More games are won Confucious

2:06pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Licky_Rambert says...

Puddletown Saint wrote:
Well done Echo - a good article which all true Saints fans can debate. The question is January window. If was MoPo it has to be CB. We need cover as Yos and Hoover are to prone to errors. IMHO we need somebody to replace Jose (yes he has done well this season) but he is a good player but not excellent. I would have gone for Caulker but now it is Micah Richards (on loan at first). He must crave for first team action if he has any ambition for Brazil and so in theory will play out of his skin. As for the summer - a winger such as Lennon, a striker such as Ings and a keeper of which Forster would be my choice. Can also see a lot leaving in the summer. As previously said evolution not revolution. COYR.
can i have a second series?
[quote][p][bold]Puddletown Saint[/bold] wrote: Well done Echo - a good article which all true Saints fans can debate. The question is January window. If was MoPo it has to be CB. We need cover as Yos and Hoover are to prone to errors. IMHO we need somebody to replace Jose (yes he has done well this season) but he is a good player but not excellent. I would have gone for Caulker but now it is Micah Richards (on loan at first). He must crave for first team action if he has any ambition for Brazil and so in theory will play out of his skin. As for the summer - a winger such as Lennon, a striker such as Ings and a keeper of which Forster would be my choice. Can also see a lot leaving in the summer. As previously said evolution not revolution. COYR.[/p][/quote]can i have a second series? Licky_Rambert

2:14pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Chriops says...

I've been thinking about where we should strengthen for a while, and the obvious choices highlighted by recent weeks are Goal Keeper, and Center Back - due to the lack of true quality in these positions. I have however been asking whether this is a knee jerk reaction to the recent troubles. Yes we need better quality in these areas, but I ask myself a couple of questions.
1) Do we need to spend money in January?
2) Would the right players be available in January?

In recent times the number of our January signings have decreased. I'm guessing that Cortese isn't a great fan, due to the need for signings to get up to speed. The reality is that if we sign someone in January, they probably won't feature regularly till the following season.

If we don't sign anyone, our season won't fall apart. We will still have had a great year. Since Cortese works on the principles of continuous, sustainable growth, he may well decide that we don't need to spend again this window. However, I'm sure that we'll be looking at bringing in new talent for the summer.

We are at the stage where we need to resolve the Goal Keeping situation. For me, I'd like us to put Gazza out on loan. If we bring in a keeper this window, then get him out for the rest of the season somewhere where he can get game-time, or alternatively a season long loan in the summer. Who should we bring in? We need a keeper that's going to push Boruc - preferably about 26 yrs old, who will become the first choice keeper of the future, but equally capable of filling his shoes now.

I think we'd also love to see another top quality center back come in. Someone of a similar ilk to Lovren, so that when we have injuries, we don't keep shooting ourselves in the foot.

Finally, I feel we need another attacking midfielder of quality - Gaston seems to have gone missing, but as much as anything his signing has been vital, since he gave Lallana direct competition. Personally I'd love to see Gaston settle, and show his worth to the fans, but there has been little sign of that.

I'm guessing that if we do bring in someone this January, it will be because the incoming player needs regular football to ensure his place at the World Cup. There are numerous International players at Champions League clubs, that will be demanding a move this January to get gametime. There may well be opportunities to bring one or two in, but also would Maya Yoshida be looking to move out? If so, we might see a Center Back coming in after all.
I've been thinking about where we should strengthen for a while, and the obvious choices highlighted by recent weeks are Goal Keeper, and Center Back - due to the lack of true quality in these positions. I have however been asking whether this is a knee jerk reaction to the recent troubles. Yes we need better quality in these areas, but I ask myself a couple of questions. 1) Do we need to spend money in January? 2) Would the right players be available in January? In recent times the number of our January signings have decreased. I'm guessing that Cortese isn't a great fan, due to the need for signings to get up to speed. The reality is that if we sign someone in January, they probably won't feature regularly till the following season. If we don't sign anyone, our season won't fall apart. We will still have had a great year. Since Cortese works on the principles of continuous, sustainable growth, he may well decide that we don't need to spend again this window. However, I'm sure that we'll be looking at bringing in new talent for the summer. We are at the stage where we need to resolve the Goal Keeping situation. For me, I'd like us to put Gazza out on loan. If we bring in a keeper this window, then get him out for the rest of the season somewhere where he can get game-time, or alternatively a season long loan in the summer. Who should we bring in? We need a keeper that's going to push Boruc - preferably about 26 yrs old, who will become the first choice keeper of the future, but equally capable of filling his shoes now. I think we'd also love to see another top quality center back come in. Someone of a similar ilk to Lovren, so that when we have injuries, we don't keep shooting ourselves in the foot. Finally, I feel we need another attacking midfielder of quality - Gaston seems to have gone missing, but as much as anything his signing has been vital, since he gave Lallana direct competition. Personally I'd love to see Gaston settle, and show his worth to the fans, but there has been little sign of that. I'm guessing that if we do bring in someone this January, it will be because the incoming player needs regular football to ensure his place at the World Cup. There are numerous International players at Champions League clubs, that will be demanding a move this January to get gametime. There may well be opportunities to bring one or two in, but also would Maya Yoshida be looking to move out? If so, we might see a Center Back coming in after all. Chriops

2:22pm Tue 17 Dec 13

warrens 76 says...

I think we need to strengthen
1) the catering
2) Staff attitude to the fans
3) Singing in the ither 3 corners of the ground
4) speed of attack, saturdays goal proved it
5) ability to do something with the ball other than just keep it.
6) try and remember Hooiveld is a lovely man but allows more goals against us that the effin opposition.
I think we need to strengthen 1) the catering 2) Staff attitude to the fans 3) Singing in the ither 3 corners of the ground 4) speed of attack, saturdays goal proved it 5) ability to do something with the ball other than just keep it. 6) try and remember Hooiveld is a lovely man but allows more goals against us that the effin opposition. warrens 76

2:25pm Tue 17 Dec 13

rossofficial10 says...

Saint. wrote:
For me a center back in Lovern quality.

A striker! Though I think Osvaldo is still finding his feet and will come good for Saints, and Rod is going from strength to strength and looking good penetrating defences with ease now, and with Mr reliable Sir Ricky! We really need a striker to scare the pants off defenders and when we are attacking will score goals more regular and quick/instant in the attack!

We have out played so man team this season , that if we had a finisher in Saurez or Ronaldo quality we wold put many a game to bed quicker!

Before the comments, the above I accept is not easy to find unless you pay really silly wages! But truly hope Saints are really looking to find that undiscovered gem out there who scores without thinking so to speak.
you got some good points there mate, i think we desperately need another Louvren instead of using Yoshida or Hooiveld as backup as they are making errors when used.

having a speedy suarez type player is wishful thinking. lets hope we got some scouts out there somewhere looking for the next best thing to suarez though!!

another goalkeeper for sure, even if its brad fridel on loan for the season.
[quote][p][bold]Saint.[/bold] wrote: For me a center back in Lovern quality. A striker! Though I think Osvaldo is still finding his feet and will come good for Saints, and Rod is going from strength to strength and looking good penetrating defences with ease now, and with Mr reliable Sir Ricky! We really need a striker to scare the pants off defenders and when we are attacking will score goals more regular and quick/instant in the attack! We have out played so man team this season , that if we had a finisher in Saurez or Ronaldo quality we wold put many a game to bed quicker! Before the comments, the above I accept is not easy to find unless you pay really silly wages! But truly hope Saints are really looking to find that undiscovered gem out there who scores without thinking so to speak.[/p][/quote]you got some good points there mate, i think we desperately need another Louvren instead of using Yoshida or Hooiveld as backup as they are making errors when used. having a speedy suarez type player is wishful thinking. lets hope we got some scouts out there somewhere looking for the next best thing to suarez though!! another goalkeeper for sure, even if its brad fridel on loan for the season. rossofficial10

2:52pm Tue 17 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Confucious wrote:
Mmmm...overall then, it looks as if the consensus is we need new players to ensure that:

A) Less goals are conceded.

and

B) More goals are scored.

in order that:

C) More games are won
Back to basics, I like that idea.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Mmmm...overall then, it looks as if the consensus is we need new players to ensure that: A) Less goals are conceded. and B) More goals are scored. in order that: C) More games are won[/p][/quote]Back to basics, I like that idea. OSPREYSAINT

2:54pm Tue 17 Dec 13

westfordUSAsaints says...

m8ttwindsor wrote:
Ceaser £2m
Forster £8m
Kaboul £8m
Richards £6m
Astori £8m
Mertens £12m
Tadic £8m
Atsu ON A FREE
De Bruyne SEASON LOAN

Beneteke will be under £10m by the end of the season....

For a team wanting europe consistantly (from the board, players & manager that is) these are the types of players we need.
That is one large shopping list, and one very large salary bill!!! Why would we waste all that money, erh, SPURS!!!!

I doubt anyone will be brought it. No team can have like for like replacements in the squad, that's when you get discontent and bigger named stars start moaning.

I'm happy with them blooding more of the youngsters to put added pressure on what we have now stepping it up, clearly they are doing that.

As far as the goals conceded.

The Arsenal goals were Boruc being a twit, and Jose being pulled up for shirt tugging and a pen. Unlucky.

We got undone by Chelsea, and then Villa was just one of those games. We can't expect to keep clean sheets every week.

Gazza is good coverage for Boruc, he will get better.

A CB would be good, but I can't see MP getting someone else in Jan.

Midfield is OK, Gaston might be shipped out if the offer is right, but with Vic out, I suspect he will be kept around until the end of the year as coverage, then given another pre-season to buck his ideas up, again, he is still young.

We don't need a new striker this season. Dani is finding his feet in the PL, I think he will come good.

Top 8 would be a great second year back, remember 2ND YEAR BACK!

It's too soon to be going after Europe, we need a bigger squad to take that one.

We wait until after the WC, pick off 3 new additions in the summer, and we go again. Steadily building this squad to consistently take on the top 6.
[quote][p][bold]m8ttwindsor[/bold] wrote: Ceaser £2m Forster £8m Kaboul £8m Richards £6m Astori £8m Mertens £12m Tadic £8m Atsu ON A FREE De Bruyne SEASON LOAN Beneteke will be under £10m by the end of the season.... For a team wanting europe consistantly (from the board, players & manager that is) these are the types of players we need.[/p][/quote]That is one large shopping list, and one very large salary bill!!! Why would we waste all that money, erh, SPURS!!!! I doubt anyone will be brought it. No team can have like for like replacements in the squad, that's when you get discontent and bigger named stars start moaning. I'm happy with them blooding more of the youngsters to put added pressure on what we have now stepping it up, clearly they are doing that. As far as the goals conceded. The Arsenal goals were Boruc being a twit, and Jose being pulled up for shirt tugging and a pen. Unlucky. We got undone by Chelsea, and then Villa was just one of those games. We can't expect to keep clean sheets every week. Gazza is good coverage for Boruc, he will get better. A CB would be good, but I can't see MP getting someone else in Jan. Midfield is OK, Gaston might be shipped out if the offer is right, but with Vic out, I suspect he will be kept around until the end of the year as coverage, then given another pre-season to buck his ideas up, again, he is still young. We don't need a new striker this season. Dani is finding his feet in the PL, I think he will come good. Top 8 would be a great second year back, remember 2ND YEAR BACK! It's too soon to be going after Europe, we need a bigger squad to take that one. We wait until after the WC, pick off 3 new additions in the summer, and we go again. Steadily building this squad to consistently take on the top 6. westfordUSAsaints

3:01pm Tue 17 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

m8ttwindsor wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
m8ttwindsor wrote:
St Retford wrote: I'm not convinced we need to strengthen at all.
Really? we lose one GK & def and concede 8 in 5. more than weve conceded all year. Weve only scored 20 Goals this season, thats manipulated by the 4-1 we beat hull. 16 goals in 15 games is not top 8 material, barely top 10. No replacement for Boruc No replacement for Fonte/Lovren No replacement for Shaw No replacement for Wanyama No replacement for Lallana. No replacement for Rodriguez There is alot to strengthen.
1 - 0 wins count three points, same as 6 - 3 wins. Goal difference may be important in the long run, but getting the points is the first priority.
We could of killed the games off in the first 20 mins but havent been able to. If we'd of had a proven 20 goals a season premier league top 8 striker we would be in the top 6 right now. I fully except points are points but pochettino is struggling with his gameplan with the players hes got i.e. Kill the the game early on then control it with the high press afterwards. This is why improvement in the squad is needed

Btw im not being argumentitive even if my tone sounds a little that way!!
Good argument, but lousy grammar and spelling! Not only you though, this thread is going downhill fast. No u in Lovren. Centre Back not center, other not ither, 'Would have' not 'would of'. Haven't. not havent, accept not except, he's not hes, I'm not im, argumentative.... oh why do I bother, it ain't that important, sined A Pedant. I blame Thatcher.

Just keep posting, we will get the drift.
[quote][p][bold]m8ttwindsor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]m8ttwindsor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: I'm not convinced we need to strengthen at all.[/p][/quote]Really? we lose one GK & def and concede 8 in 5. more than weve conceded all year. Weve only scored 20 Goals this season, thats manipulated by the 4-1 we beat hull. 16 goals in 15 games is not top 8 material, barely top 10. No replacement for Boruc No replacement for Fonte/Lovren No replacement for Shaw No replacement for Wanyama No replacement for Lallana. No replacement for Rodriguez There is alot to strengthen.[/p][/quote]1 - 0 wins count three points, same as 6 - 3 wins. Goal difference may be important in the long run, but getting the points is the first priority.[/p][/quote]We could of killed the games off in the first 20 mins but havent been able to. If we'd of had a proven 20 goals a season premier league top 8 striker we would be in the top 6 right now. I fully except points are points but pochettino is struggling with his gameplan with the players hes got i.e. Kill the the game early on then control it with the high press afterwards. This is why improvement in the squad is needed Btw im not being argumentitive even if my tone sounds a little that way!![/p][/quote]Good argument, but lousy grammar and spelling! Not only you though, this thread is going downhill fast. No u in Lovren. Centre Back not center, other not ither, 'Would have' not 'would of'. Haven't. not havent, accept not except, he's not hes, I'm not im, argumentative.... oh why do I bother, it ain't that important, sined A Pedant. I blame Thatcher. Just keep posting, we will get the drift. OSPREYSAINT

3:07pm Tue 17 Dec 13

saint Compo says...

westfordUSAsaints wrote:
m8ttwindsor wrote:
Ceaser £2m
Forster £8m
Kaboul £8m
Richards £6m
Astori £8m
Mertens £12m
Tadic £8m
Atsu ON A FREE
De Bruyne SEASON LOAN

Beneteke will be under £10m by the end of the season....

For a team wanting europe consistantly (from the board, players & manager that is) these are the types of players we need.
That is one large shopping list, and one very large salary bill!!! Why would we waste all that money, erh, SPURS!!!!

I doubt anyone will be brought it. No team can have like for like replacements in the squad, that's when you get discontent and bigger named stars start moaning.

I'm happy with them blooding more of the youngsters to put added pressure on what we have now stepping it up, clearly they are doing that.

As far as the goals conceded.

The Arsenal goals were Boruc being a twit, and Jose being pulled up for shirt tugging and a pen. Unlucky.

We got undone by Chelsea, and then Villa was just one of those games. We can't expect to keep clean sheets every week.

Gazza is good coverage for Boruc, he will get better.

A CB would be good, but I can't see MP getting someone else in Jan.

Midfield is OK, Gaston might be shipped out if the offer is right, but with Vic out, I suspect he will be kept around until the end of the year as coverage, then given another pre-season to buck his ideas up, again, he is still young.

We don't need a new striker this season. Dani is finding his feet in the PL, I think he will come good.

Top 8 would be a great second year back, remember 2ND YEAR BACK!

It's too soon to be going after Europe, we need a bigger squad to take that one.

We wait until after the WC, pick off 3 new additions in the summer, and we go again. Steadily building this squad to consistently take on the top 6.
Wait until after the WC. That's cr*p!
[quote][p][bold]westfordUSAsaints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]m8ttwindsor[/bold] wrote: Ceaser £2m Forster £8m Kaboul £8m Richards £6m Astori £8m Mertens £12m Tadic £8m Atsu ON A FREE De Bruyne SEASON LOAN Beneteke will be under £10m by the end of the season.... For a team wanting europe consistantly (from the board, players & manager that is) these are the types of players we need.[/p][/quote]That is one large shopping list, and one very large salary bill!!! Why would we waste all that money, erh, SPURS!!!! I doubt anyone will be brought it. No team can have like for like replacements in the squad, that's when you get discontent and bigger named stars start moaning. I'm happy with them blooding more of the youngsters to put added pressure on what we have now stepping it up, clearly they are doing that. As far as the goals conceded. The Arsenal goals were Boruc being a twit, and Jose being pulled up for shirt tugging and a pen. Unlucky. We got undone by Chelsea, and then Villa was just one of those games. We can't expect to keep clean sheets every week. Gazza is good coverage for Boruc, he will get better. A CB would be good, but I can't see MP getting someone else in Jan. Midfield is OK, Gaston might be shipped out if the offer is right, but with Vic out, I suspect he will be kept around until the end of the year as coverage, then given another pre-season to buck his ideas up, again, he is still young. We don't need a new striker this season. Dani is finding his feet in the PL, I think he will come good. Top 8 would be a great second year back, remember 2ND YEAR BACK! It's too soon to be going after Europe, we need a bigger squad to take that one. We wait until after the WC, pick off 3 new additions in the summer, and we go again. Steadily building this squad to consistently take on the top 6.[/p][/quote]Wait until after the WC. That's cr*p! saint Compo

3:22pm Tue 17 Dec 13

St Retford says...

Licky_Rambert wrote:
Puddletown Saint wrote:
Well done Echo - a good article which all true Saints fans can debate. The question is January window. If was MoPo it has to be CB. We need cover as Yos and Hoover are to prone to errors. IMHO we need somebody to replace Jose (yes he has done well this season) but he is a good player but not excellent. I would have gone for Caulker but now it is Micah Richards (on loan at first). He must crave for first team action if he has any ambition for Brazil and so in theory will play out of his skin. As for the summer - a winger such as Lennon, a striker such as Ings and a keeper of which Forster would be my choice. Can also see a lot leaving in the summer. As previously said evolution not revolution. COYR.
can i have a second series?
Heh!
[quote][p][bold]Licky_Rambert[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Puddletown Saint[/bold] wrote: Well done Echo - a good article which all true Saints fans can debate. The question is January window. If was MoPo it has to be CB. We need cover as Yos and Hoover are to prone to errors. IMHO we need somebody to replace Jose (yes he has done well this season) but he is a good player but not excellent. I would have gone for Caulker but now it is Micah Richards (on loan at first). He must crave for first team action if he has any ambition for Brazil and so in theory will play out of his skin. As for the summer - a winger such as Lennon, a striker such as Ings and a keeper of which Forster would be my choice. Can also see a lot leaving in the summer. As previously said evolution not revolution. COYR.[/p][/quote]can i have a second series?[/p][/quote]Heh! St Retford

3:24pm Tue 17 Dec 13

St Retford says...

m8ttwindsor wrote:
St Retford wrote:
I'm not convinced we need to strengthen at all.
Really? we lose one GK & def and concede 8 in 5. more than weve conceded all year. Weve only scored 20 Goals this season, thats manipulated by the 4-1 we beat hull. 16 goals in 15 games is not top 8 material, barely top 10.

No replacement for Boruc
No replacement for Fonte/Lovren
No replacement for Shaw
No replacement for Wanyama
No replacement for Lallana.
No replacement for Rodriguez

There is alot to strengthen.
That's just, like, your opinion.
[quote][p][bold]m8ttwindsor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: I'm not convinced we need to strengthen at all.[/p][/quote]Really? we lose one GK & def and concede 8 in 5. more than weve conceded all year. Weve only scored 20 Goals this season, thats manipulated by the 4-1 we beat hull. 16 goals in 15 games is not top 8 material, barely top 10. No replacement for Boruc No replacement for Fonte/Lovren No replacement for Shaw No replacement for Wanyama No replacement for Lallana. No replacement for Rodriguez There is alot to strengthen.[/p][/quote]That's just, like, your opinion. St Retford

3:34pm Tue 17 Dec 13

m8ttwindsor says...

At no stage do I suggest we go out and spend £20+ millon in January but the list above were simply ideas of the calibre of player we should be bringing in. I do not want europe, I think it would ruin the club right now (swansea struggling would be and example of the affect of europa league and a team not ready to handle the amount of games, week in and week out)! A nice 9th or 10th finish would suit us perfectly at this stage of development. Put simply, buying one (or two ;)) of these players would give the club a boost, on a much smaller scale than Ozil's given to Arsenal.

Has my grammar improved?

BIG MOAN TIME

To all of you believers in OSVALDO I have no understanding to where you obtain your belief that hes a good player from. He's look lazy, out of touch and quite simply arrogant when he's on the field of play. He was bought because he's a friend of Pochettinos from his time at Espanyol. We have played far better when Lambert has started instead but Pochettino has to play Osvaldo to stop making the club and himself look fools for spending £15million on him. The worse we play (lack of goals, dropped points) , the more pochettino will be scrutinised and this will be a key topic.
At no stage do I suggest we go out and spend £20+ millon in January but the list above were simply ideas of the calibre of player we should be bringing in. I do not want europe, I think it would ruin the club right now (swansea struggling would be and example of the affect of europa league and a team not ready to handle the amount of games, week in and week out)! A nice 9th or 10th finish would suit us perfectly at this stage of development. Put simply, buying one (or two ;)) of these players would give the club a boost, on a much smaller scale than Ozil's given to Arsenal. Has my grammar improved? BIG MOAN TIME To all of you believers in OSVALDO I have no understanding to where you obtain your belief that hes a good player from. He's look lazy, out of touch and quite simply arrogant when he's on the field of play. He was bought because he's a friend of Pochettinos from his time at Espanyol. We have played far better when Lambert has started instead but Pochettino has to play Osvaldo to stop making the club and himself look fools for spending £15million on him. The worse we play (lack of goals, dropped points) , the more pochettino will be scrutinised and this will be a key topic. m8ttwindsor

3:35pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Costa Baz says...

Just need a genuine "number 10" type player, who can play around the main striker, but also link midfield to the front line, so we can play shorter, incisive passes in the opponents half, a la Arsenal.

Hooiveld and Yoshida have made errors, but only Chelsea have really made the defence look rattled.
Just need a genuine "number 10" type player, who can play around the main striker, but also link midfield to the front line, so we can play shorter, incisive passes in the opponents half, a la Arsenal. Hooiveld and Yoshida have made errors, but only Chelsea have really made the defence look rattled. Costa Baz

3:37pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Tevez888 says...

The only players we need are :

GK, LB, CB, MF, STK (the latter not a must)

5 Name in January might be a bit much but we could quite easily get rid of 5 or more.

Out : Guly, Fox, Barnard, Maya, Gaston (not out of choice)
In : Caeser, Astori, Banega, Diego, Riise

I know the Caeser and Riise will be questioned by some, but I think these would be great suits for cover as ultimately thats what we need more of.

Astori would be someone that could get a chance and stay in the team and then Banega and Diego could be rotated with Lallana who I think needs to be given a break to avoid burn out as he is our main man and we dont want to risk losing him long term, so taking him out for "lesser" games and bedding Diego and Banega in ready for next season would go well.
The only players we need are : GK, LB, CB, MF, STK (the latter not a must) 5 Name in January might be a bit much but we could quite easily get rid of 5 or more. Out : Guly, Fox, Barnard, Maya, Gaston (not out of choice) In : Caeser, Astori, Banega, Diego, Riise I know the Caeser and Riise will be questioned by some, but I think these would be great suits for cover as ultimately thats what we need more of. Astori would be someone that could get a chance and stay in the team and then Banega and Diego could be rotated with Lallana who I think needs to be given a break to avoid burn out as he is our main man and we dont want to risk losing him long term, so taking him out for "lesser" games and bedding Diego and Banega in ready for next season would go well. Tevez888

3:41pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

Confucious wrote:
Mmmm...overall then, it looks as if the consensus is we need new players to ensure that:

A) Less goals are conceded.

and

B) More goals are scored.

in order that:

C) More games are won
I'm leaning towards Retford's thinking here but if we do bring just ONE new face in, then someone to add pace up front would be nice.

It's more important in my eyes that we hold onto ALL our key players.

Oh, and if Osprey can be a pedant, so can I .....

LESS goals????? What school did you go to, Confucious?

Oh, and Osprey, Chriops's use of CENTER rather than CENTRE is acceptable in US English, maybe he's from across the pond. I bet you hadn't thought OF that! :-)
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Mmmm...overall then, it looks as if the consensus is we need new players to ensure that: A) Less goals are conceded. and B) More goals are scored. in order that: C) More games are won[/p][/quote]I'm leaning towards Retford's thinking here but if we do bring just ONE new face in, then someone to add pace up front would be nice. It's more important in my eyes that we hold onto ALL our key players. Oh, and if Osprey can be a pedant, so can I ..... LESS goals????? What school did you go to, Confucious? Oh, and Osprey, Chriops's use of CENTER rather than CENTRE is acceptable in US English, maybe he's from across the pond. I bet you hadn't thought OF that! :-) Strasbourg Saint

3:51pm Tue 17 Dec 13

NotImPochIble says...

IMO we need anew goalkeeper for the long term, our current back ups are not good enough for the level we strive to reach.

Similarly at CB our replacements although decent for a mid-table side, are not up to the level needed for a top 6 finish. We need a whole back 4 at Loren standard(Shaw and Clyne are almost there if not already)

In midfield all we need is a winger, we need another option as our total football style wont always work, we need the option to play more direct and "ugly" to get a result as Manure and Chelski have done in recent years. So long as we keep Lallana, JWP and spiderman we will be fine.

Up top we are desperate for a natural finisher, Dani hasn't yet lived up to the hype and we cant rely on SRL forever. A player such as Benteke would fit the bill in the summer as surely he'll be fed up playing at a bottom half side and being shown up by his countryman Lukaku week in week out! In the short term a loan move for Javier Hernandez could be a useful move for all parties.

What we dont need is someone coming in January who doesnt know the league and will take 2/3months to get up to speed like Osvaldo is.
IMO we need anew goalkeeper for the long term, our current back ups are not good enough for the level we strive to reach. Similarly at CB our replacements although decent for a mid-table side, are not up to the level needed for a top 6 finish. We need a whole back 4 at Loren standard(Shaw and Clyne are almost there if not already) In midfield all we need is a winger, we need another option as our total football style wont always work, we need the option to play more direct and "ugly" to get a result as Manure and Chelski have done in recent years. So long as we keep Lallana, JWP and spiderman we will be fine. Up top we are desperate for a natural finisher, Dani hasn't yet lived up to the hype and we cant rely on SRL forever. A player such as Benteke would fit the bill in the summer as surely he'll be fed up playing at a bottom half side and being shown up by his countryman Lukaku week in week out! In the short term a loan move for Javier Hernandez could be a useful move for all parties. What we dont need is someone coming in January who doesnt know the league and will take 2/3months to get up to speed like Osvaldo is. NotImPochIble

3:52pm Tue 17 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Mmmm...overall then, it looks as if the consensus is we need new players to ensure that:

A) Less goals are conceded.

and

B) More goals are scored.

in order that:

C) More games are won
I'm leaning towards Retford's thinking here but if we do bring just ONE new face in, then someone to add pace up front would be nice.

It's more important in my eyes that we hold onto ALL our key players.

Oh, and if Osprey can be a pedant, so can I .....

LESS goals????? What school did you go to, Confucious?

Oh, and Osprey, Chriops's use of CENTER rather than CENTRE is acceptable in US English, maybe he's from across the pond. I bet you hadn't thought OF that! :-)
Are you saying fewer goals would be more acceptable? What color shirts do you want, red and white stripes?
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Mmmm...overall then, it looks as if the consensus is we need new players to ensure that: A) Less goals are conceded. and B) More goals are scored. in order that: C) More games are won[/p][/quote]I'm leaning towards Retford's thinking here but if we do bring just ONE new face in, then someone to add pace up front would be nice. It's more important in my eyes that we hold onto ALL our key players. Oh, and if Osprey can be a pedant, so can I ..... LESS goals????? What school did you go to, Confucious? Oh, and Osprey, Chriops's use of CENTER rather than CENTRE is acceptable in US English, maybe he's from across the pond. I bet you hadn't thought OF that! :-)[/p][/quote]Are you saying fewer goals would be more acceptable? What color shirts do you want, red and white stripes? OSPREYSAINT

3:57pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Chriops says...

m8ttwindsor wrote:
At no stage do I suggest we go out and spend £20+ millon in January but the list above were simply ideas of the calibre of player we should be bringing in. I do not want europe, I think it would ruin the club right now (swansea struggling would be and example of the affect of europa league and a team not ready to handle the amount of games, week in and week out)! A nice 9th or 10th finish would suit us perfectly at this stage of development. Put simply, buying one (or two ;)) of these players would give the club a boost, on a much smaller scale than Ozil's given to Arsenal.

Has my grammar improved?

BIG MOAN TIME

To all of you believers in OSVALDO I have no understanding to where you obtain your belief that hes a good player from. He's look lazy, out of touch and quite simply arrogant when he's on the field of play. He was bought because he's a friend of Pochettinos from his time at Espanyol. We have played far better when Lambert has started instead but Pochettino has to play Osvaldo to stop making the club and himself look fools for spending £15million on him. The worse we play (lack of goals, dropped points) , the more pochettino will be scrutinised and this will be a key topic.
Pochettino's 'friend' from Espanyol has a goal scoring record comparable to Lambert's, but instead of most of his goals coming in div 1 and 2, his goals came in the top leagues in Spain and Italy.

Did you ever stop to wonder whether you were being a little bit hasty?

No, of course not - silly me.
[quote][p][bold]m8ttwindsor[/bold] wrote: At no stage do I suggest we go out and spend £20+ millon in January but the list above were simply ideas of the calibre of player we should be bringing in. I do not want europe, I think it would ruin the club right now (swansea struggling would be and example of the affect of europa league and a team not ready to handle the amount of games, week in and week out)! A nice 9th or 10th finish would suit us perfectly at this stage of development. Put simply, buying one (or two ;)) of these players would give the club a boost, on a much smaller scale than Ozil's given to Arsenal. Has my grammar improved? BIG MOAN TIME To all of you believers in OSVALDO I have no understanding to where you obtain your belief that hes a good player from. He's look lazy, out of touch and quite simply arrogant when he's on the field of play. He was bought because he's a friend of Pochettinos from his time at Espanyol. We have played far better when Lambert has started instead but Pochettino has to play Osvaldo to stop making the club and himself look fools for spending £15million on him. The worse we play (lack of goals, dropped points) , the more pochettino will be scrutinised and this will be a key topic.[/p][/quote]Pochettino's 'friend' from Espanyol has a goal scoring record comparable to Lambert's, but instead of most of his goals coming in div 1 and 2, his goals came in the top leagues in Spain and Italy. Did you ever stop to wonder whether you were being a little bit hasty? No, of course not - silly me. Chriops

4:01pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Chriops says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Mmmm...overall then, it looks as if the consensus is we need new players to ensure that:

A) Less goals are conceded.

and

B) More goals are scored.

in order that:

C) More games are won
I'm leaning towards Retford's thinking here but if we do bring just ONE new face in, then someone to add pace up front would be nice.

It's more important in my eyes that we hold onto ALL our key players.

Oh, and if Osprey can be a pedant, so can I .....

LESS goals????? What school did you go to, Confucious?

Oh, and Osprey, Chriops's use of CENTER rather than CENTRE is acceptable in US English, maybe he's from across the pond. I bet you hadn't thought OF that! :-)
Are you saying fewer goals would be more acceptable? What color shirts do you want, red and white stripes?
I'm not from across the pond, unless Gosport is? It's just the stupid american spell checker on my PC - hey, at least I use one unlike many here.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Mmmm...overall then, it looks as if the consensus is we need new players to ensure that: A) Less goals are conceded. and B) More goals are scored. in order that: C) More games are won[/p][/quote]I'm leaning towards Retford's thinking here but if we do bring just ONE new face in, then someone to add pace up front would be nice. It's more important in my eyes that we hold onto ALL our key players. Oh, and if Osprey can be a pedant, so can I ..... LESS goals????? What school did you go to, Confucious? Oh, and Osprey, Chriops's use of CENTER rather than CENTRE is acceptable in US English, maybe he's from across the pond. I bet you hadn't thought OF that! :-)[/p][/quote]Are you saying fewer goals would be more acceptable? What color shirts do you want, red and white stripes?[/p][/quote]I'm not from across the pond, unless Gosport is? It's just the stupid american spell checker on my PC - hey, at least I use one unlike many here. Chriops

4:08pm Tue 17 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Tevez888 wrote:
The only players we need are :

GK, LB, CB, MF, STK (the latter not a must)

5 Name in January might be a bit much but we could quite easily get rid of 5 or more.

Out : Guly, Fox, Barnard, Maya, Gaston (not out of choice)
In : Caeser, Astori, Banega, Diego, Riise

I know the Caeser and Riise will be questioned by some, but I think these would be great suits for cover as ultimately thats what we need more of.

Astori would be someone that could get a chance and stay in the team and then Banega and Diego could be rotated with Lallana who I think needs to be given a break to avoid burn out as he is our main man and we dont want to risk losing him long term, so taking him out for "lesser" games and bedding Diego and Banega in ready for next season would go well.
Diego just signed a 5 year contract so you can rule him out of the equation. Havard Nordtveit 23 yo DM is a name being bandied about on the Forums, but was an Arsenal reject, don't know much else about him
[quote][p][bold]Tevez888[/bold] wrote: The only players we need are : GK, LB, CB, MF, STK (the latter not a must) 5 Name in January might be a bit much but we could quite easily get rid of 5 or more. Out : Guly, Fox, Barnard, Maya, Gaston (not out of choice) In : Caeser, Astori, Banega, Diego, Riise I know the Caeser and Riise will be questioned by some, but I think these would be great suits for cover as ultimately thats what we need more of. Astori would be someone that could get a chance and stay in the team and then Banega and Diego could be rotated with Lallana who I think needs to be given a break to avoid burn out as he is our main man and we dont want to risk losing him long term, so taking him out for "lesser" games and bedding Diego and Banega in ready for next season would go well.[/p][/quote]Diego just signed a 5 year contract so you can rule him out of the equation. Havard Nordtveit 23 yo DM is a name being bandied about on the Forums, but was an Arsenal reject, don't know much else about him OSPREYSAINT

4:08pm Tue 17 Dec 13

St Retford says...

I think we still have to give the current squad time to gel. At times this season they've looked like world beaters, so we just need to get them performing more consistently. That takes hard work and time - not disruption. And people having a go at Osvaldo might do well to remember his goal against City - he's clearly 'quite good' and when he really finds his feet he'll be devastating.

I think Gazza's good enough to fill in for Artur - it's only for a couple more weeks and I can't recall him actually making a single clanger. I also think Matty Targett must be there or thereabouts as cover for Luke and Jack Cork means we're not even missing Wanyama too much. We've got a very decent squad that just needs time on the pitch and they'll bag us a top 8 finish at the very least.
I think we still have to give the current squad time to gel. At times this season they've looked like world beaters, so we just need to get them performing more consistently. That takes hard work and time - not disruption. And people having a go at Osvaldo might do well to remember his goal against City - he's clearly 'quite good' and when he really finds his feet he'll be devastating. I think Gazza's good enough to fill in for Artur - it's only for a couple more weeks and I can't recall him actually making a single clanger. I also think Matty Targett must be there or thereabouts as cover for Luke and Jack Cork means we're not even missing Wanyama too much. We've got a very decent squad that just needs time on the pitch and they'll bag us a top 8 finish at the very least. St Retford

4:10pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Poole Tom says...

If we decide to try and strengthen the squad I would be inclined to buy another top class centre half like Lovren, providing such a player is available at a reasonable price, which somehow I doubt at this stage in the season.
The other positions are in my opinion well covered except for a fast winger/forward and a goalkeeper, although it does seem to me that some are being a little hasty in writing off Gazza, even though I accept that the jury is currently still out where he is concerned. The other issue is that if we buy too many new players we will inadvertently put up a barrier to the other very talented youngsters who are currently pressing for a place in the starting line up.
As others have said some players clearly need to be moved on, but realistically this is far more likely to happen at the end of the season, apart perhaps for Ramirez who would at least generate a decent fee given the level of interest that there is supposed to be in him from several Italian clubs.
If we decide to try and strengthen the squad I would be inclined to buy another top class centre half like Lovren, providing such a player is available at a reasonable price, which somehow I doubt at this stage in the season. The other positions are in my opinion well covered except for a fast winger/forward and a goalkeeper, although it does seem to me that some are being a little hasty in writing off Gazza, even though I accept that the jury is currently still out where he is concerned. The other issue is that if we buy too many new players we will inadvertently put up a barrier to the other very talented youngsters who are currently pressing for a place in the starting line up. As others have said some players clearly need to be moved on, but realistically this is far more likely to happen at the end of the season, apart perhaps for Ramirez who would at least generate a decent fee given the level of interest that there is supposed to be in him from several Italian clubs. Poole Tom

4:14pm Tue 17 Dec 13

m8ttwindsor says...

Hasty? He had one great season at Espanyol, before that he'd scored 28 goals in 106 appearances. At Roma he scored 27 in TWO SEASONS, equavalant to (in the last 3 years of the premier league).....

DJ CAMPBELL, ANDY CARROLL, MALOUDA, PAPISS CISSE, (you can have balottelli).

Do I need to mention that Lambert scored 15 last season.....Even Grant Holt got 14 the season before.

For £15 million plus the ridiculous fees and add ons I want someone a hell of alot better with a much better goalscoring record.
Hasty? He had one great season at Espanyol, before that he'd scored 28 goals in 106 appearances. At Roma he scored 27 in TWO SEASONS, equavalant to (in the last 3 years of the premier league)..... DJ CAMPBELL, ANDY CARROLL, MALOUDA, PAPISS CISSE, (you can have balottelli). Do I need to mention that Lambert scored 15 last season.....Even Grant Holt got 14 the season before. For £15 million plus the ridiculous fees and add ons I want someone a hell of alot better with a much better goalscoring record. m8ttwindsor

4:22pm Tue 17 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

m8ttwindsor wrote:
Hasty? He had one great season at Espanyol, before that he'd scored 28 goals in 106 appearances. At Roma he scored 27 in TWO SEASONS, equavalant to (in the last 3 years of the premier league).....

DJ CAMPBELL, ANDY CARROLL, MALOUDA, PAPISS CISSE, (you can have balottelli).

Do I need to mention that Lambert scored 15 last season.....Even Grant Holt got 14 the season before.

For £15 million plus the ridiculous fees and add ons I want someone a hell of alot better with a much better goalscoring record.
Wouldn't we all, but i don't see it happening, they are rarer than hens teeth and those that have them aren't going to let them go in a hurry.
[quote][p][bold]m8ttwindsor[/bold] wrote: Hasty? He had one great season at Espanyol, before that he'd scored 28 goals in 106 appearances. At Roma he scored 27 in TWO SEASONS, equavalant to (in the last 3 years of the premier league)..... DJ CAMPBELL, ANDY CARROLL, MALOUDA, PAPISS CISSE, (you can have balottelli). Do I need to mention that Lambert scored 15 last season.....Even Grant Holt got 14 the season before. For £15 million plus the ridiculous fees and add ons I want someone a hell of alot better with a much better goalscoring record.[/p][/quote]Wouldn't we all, but i don't see it happening, they are rarer than hens teeth and those that have them aren't going to let them go in a hurry. OSPREYSAINT

4:36pm Tue 17 Dec 13

m8ttwindsor says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
m8ttwindsor wrote: Hasty? He had one great season at Espanyol, before that he'd scored 28 goals in 106 appearances. At Roma he scored 27 in TWO SEASONS, equavalant to (in the last 3 years of the premier league)..... DJ CAMPBELL, ANDY CARROLL, MALOUDA, PAPISS CISSE, (you can have balottelli). Do I need to mention that Lambert scored 15 last season.....Even Grant Holt got 14 the season before. For £15 million plus the ridiculous fees and add ons I want someone a hell of alot better with a much better goalscoring record.
Wouldn't we all, but i don't see it happening, they are rarer than hens teeth and those that have them aren't going to let them go in a hurry.
Pessimist! :P

For £15 million we could of have......

Benteke
Ba (LOAN)
JOVETIC (LOAN)
Oscar Cardoza
Helmes
Ben Yedder
Volland

But because none of these were FRIENDS with Pochettino they got overlooked :p
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]m8ttwindsor[/bold] wrote: Hasty? He had one great season at Espanyol, before that he'd scored 28 goals in 106 appearances. At Roma he scored 27 in TWO SEASONS, equavalant to (in the last 3 years of the premier league)..... DJ CAMPBELL, ANDY CARROLL, MALOUDA, PAPISS CISSE, (you can have balottelli). Do I need to mention that Lambert scored 15 last season.....Even Grant Holt got 14 the season before. For £15 million plus the ridiculous fees and add ons I want someone a hell of alot better with a much better goalscoring record.[/p][/quote]Wouldn't we all, but i don't see it happening, they are rarer than hens teeth and those that have them aren't going to let them go in a hurry.[/p][/quote]Pessimist! :P For £15 million we could of have...... Benteke Ba (LOAN) JOVETIC (LOAN) Oscar Cardoza Helmes Ben Yedder Volland But because none of these were FRIENDS with Pochettino they got overlooked :p m8ttwindsor

4:39pm Tue 17 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

m8ttwindsor wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
m8ttwindsor wrote: Hasty? He had one great season at Espanyol, before that he'd scored 28 goals in 106 appearances. At Roma he scored 27 in TWO SEASONS, equavalant to (in the last 3 years of the premier league)..... DJ CAMPBELL, ANDY CARROLL, MALOUDA, PAPISS CISSE, (you can have balottelli). Do I need to mention that Lambert scored 15 last season.....Even Grant Holt got 14 the season before. For £15 million plus the ridiculous fees and add ons I want someone a hell of alot better with a much better goalscoring record.
Wouldn't we all, but i don't see it happening, they are rarer than hens teeth and those that have them aren't going to let them go in a hurry.
Pessimist! :P

For £15 million we could of have......

Benteke
Ba (LOAN)
JOVETIC (LOAN)
Oscar Cardoza
Helmes
Ben Yedder
Volland

But because none of these were FRIENDS with Pochettino they got overlooked :p
Could HAVE had surely?
[quote][p][bold]m8ttwindsor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]m8ttwindsor[/bold] wrote: Hasty? He had one great season at Espanyol, before that he'd scored 28 goals in 106 appearances. At Roma he scored 27 in TWO SEASONS, equavalant to (in the last 3 years of the premier league)..... DJ CAMPBELL, ANDY CARROLL, MALOUDA, PAPISS CISSE, (you can have balottelli). Do I need to mention that Lambert scored 15 last season.....Even Grant Holt got 14 the season before. For £15 million plus the ridiculous fees and add ons I want someone a hell of alot better with a much better goalscoring record.[/p][/quote]Wouldn't we all, but i don't see it happening, they are rarer than hens teeth and those that have them aren't going to let them go in a hurry.[/p][/quote]Pessimist! :P For £15 million we could of have...... Benteke Ba (LOAN) JOVETIC (LOAN) Oscar Cardoza Helmes Ben Yedder Volland But because none of these were FRIENDS with Pochettino they got overlooked :p[/p][/quote]Could HAVE had surely? OSPREYSAINT

4:48pm Tue 17 Dec 13

saint Compo says...

Get this: http://www.bbc.co.uk
/sport/0/football/25
420261

Nicola is the man we have to keep!

COYR
Get this: http://www.bbc.co.uk /sport/0/football/25 420261 Nicola is the man we have to keep! COYR saint Compo

4:49pm Tue 17 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/sport/0/football/25
420261?

Worth a look at.
http://www.bbc.co.uk /sport/0/football/25 420261? Worth a look at. OSPREYSAINT

4:50pm Tue 17 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk

/sport/0/football/25

420261?

Worth a look at.
Sorry duplicated, was having problems posting it.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk /sport/0/football/25 420261? Worth a look at.[/p][/quote]Sorry duplicated, was having problems posting it. OSPREYSAINT

4:50pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

Chriops wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Mmmm...overall then, it looks as if the consensus is we need new players to ensure that:

A) Less goals are conceded.

and

B) More goals are scored.

in order that:

C) More games are won
I'm leaning towards Retford's thinking here but if we do bring just ONE new face in, then someone to add pace up front would be nice.

It's more important in my eyes that we hold onto ALL our key players.

Oh, and if Osprey can be a pedant, so can I .....

LESS goals????? What school did you go to, Confucious?

Oh, and Osprey, Chriops's use of CENTER rather than CENTRE is acceptable in US English, maybe he's from across the pond. I bet you hadn't thought OF that! :-)
Are you saying fewer goals would be more acceptable? What color shirts do you want, red and white stripes?
I'm not from across the pond, unless Gosport is? It's just the stupid american spell checker on my PC - hey, at least I use one unlike many here.
On a regular basis, I have to deal with English teaching materials, course books and exams which have been put through the US mangle. For example, 'Have your students read the text.' (No, that's not a question about the past which is missing its question mark, it's a command in the present as in 'ASK your students TO read the text'.)

So, for the American spell-check (and for living in Gosport, come to think of it) I sympathize with you and your neighbors.

I know ER might look more esthetically pleasing, I realize it's common practise to bu66er about with our words and I won't labor the point, but having agonized over it and then internalized everything, if the dialog on here is to maximize its potential, there needs to be some standardization; maybe Osprey can formulate a spelling program.

Anyway, spending big bucks in the transfer window might be flavor of the month, but if the rumurs I'm hearing have wheels, and if those wheels have tires, and if those tired wheels are the big ones you find on a truck in the parking lot waiting to be driven down the highway, then Saints won't be making the in or out cash register ring to the sound of the purchase or vending of too many awesome fieldsmen this vacation.
[quote][p][bold]Chriops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Mmmm...overall then, it looks as if the consensus is we need new players to ensure that: A) Less goals are conceded. and B) More goals are scored. in order that: C) More games are won[/p][/quote]I'm leaning towards Retford's thinking here but if we do bring just ONE new face in, then someone to add pace up front would be nice. It's more important in my eyes that we hold onto ALL our key players. Oh, and if Osprey can be a pedant, so can I ..... LESS goals????? What school did you go to, Confucious? Oh, and Osprey, Chriops's use of CENTER rather than CENTRE is acceptable in US English, maybe he's from across the pond. I bet you hadn't thought OF that! :-)[/p][/quote]Are you saying fewer goals would be more acceptable? What color shirts do you want, red and white stripes?[/p][/quote]I'm not from across the pond, unless Gosport is? It's just the stupid american spell checker on my PC - hey, at least I use one unlike many here.[/p][/quote]On a regular basis, I have to deal with English teaching materials, course books and exams which have been put through the US mangle. For example, 'Have your students read the text.' (No, that's not a question about the past which is missing its question mark, it's a command in the present as in 'ASK your students TO read the text'.) So, for the American spell-check (and for living in Gosport, come to think of it) I sympathize with you and your neighbors. I know ER might look more esthetically pleasing, I realize it's common practise to bu66er about with our words and I won't labor the point, but having agonized over it and then internalized everything, if the dialog on here is to maximize its potential, there needs to be some standardization; maybe Osprey can formulate a spelling program. Anyway, spending big bucks in the transfer window might be flavor of the month, but if the rumurs I'm hearing have wheels, and if those wheels have tires, and if those tired wheels are the big ones you find on a truck in the parking lot waiting to be driven down the highway, then Saints won't be making the in or out cash register ring to the sound of the purchase or vending of too many awesome fieldsmen this vacation. Strasbourg Saint

4:55pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Velleity says...

St Retford wrote:
I'm not convinced we need to strengthen at all.
I'm with you and I'll nail my flag to the mast by predicting here that we won't sign anyone in January.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: I'm not convinced we need to strengthen at all.[/p][/quote]I'm with you and I'll nail my flag to the mast by predicting here that we won't sign anyone in January. Velleity

5:14pm Tue 17 Dec 13

st1halo says...

m8ttwindsor wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
m8ttwindsor wrote: Hasty? He had one great season at Espanyol, before that he'd scored 28 goals in 106 appearances. At Roma he scored 27 in TWO SEASONS, equavalant to (in the last 3 years of the premier league)..... DJ CAMPBELL, ANDY CARROLL, MALOUDA, PAPISS CISSE, (you can have balottelli). Do I need to mention that Lambert scored 15 last season.....Even Grant Holt got 14 the season before. For £15 million plus the ridiculous fees and add ons I want someone a hell of alot better with a much better goalscoring record.
Wouldn't we all, but i don't see it happening, they are rarer than hens teeth and those that have them aren't going to let them go in a hurry.
Pessimist! :P

For £15 million we could of have......

Benteke
Ba (LOAN)
JOVETIC (LOAN)
Oscar Cardoza
Helmes
Ben Yedder
Volland

But because none of these were FRIENDS with Pochettino they got overlooked :p
Sorry m8tt but, with respect, you need to think a little bit more about what you're saying here.
No signing is a guarenteed winner as ALL clubs can testify and there is no evidence to suggest any of the candidates you mention will score more goals than players we have already. Berbatov, for example, is a proven goal scorer but wouln't fit into our team at all which brings me to my main point - 'Machine Gun' Dani hasn't been brought in by Poch because they're friends. Give the man a little more credit than that. Poch knows, given that they have worked together before, he will fit in with the work ethic and understand the football that Poch wants to play. This may or may not be successful but I have faith in Poch (who has also been surprised by the physicallity of the English game as well as Dani) and therefore hope to see Dani scoing readily for us.
I doubt whether there will be much activity in the January window, neither NC nor Poch are fans of it, knee-jerk is not the way we do things these days and the youth at this club are the future.


STID
Anyone else see the fantastic Hesketh goal v Pompey? Another star in the making.
[quote][p][bold]m8ttwindsor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]m8ttwindsor[/bold] wrote: Hasty? He had one great season at Espanyol, before that he'd scored 28 goals in 106 appearances. At Roma he scored 27 in TWO SEASONS, equavalant to (in the last 3 years of the premier league)..... DJ CAMPBELL, ANDY CARROLL, MALOUDA, PAPISS CISSE, (you can have balottelli). Do I need to mention that Lambert scored 15 last season.....Even Grant Holt got 14 the season before. For £15 million plus the ridiculous fees and add ons I want someone a hell of alot better with a much better goalscoring record.[/p][/quote]Wouldn't we all, but i don't see it happening, they are rarer than hens teeth and those that have them aren't going to let them go in a hurry.[/p][/quote]Pessimist! :P For £15 million we could of have...... Benteke Ba (LOAN) JOVETIC (LOAN) Oscar Cardoza Helmes Ben Yedder Volland But because none of these were FRIENDS with Pochettino they got overlooked :p[/p][/quote]Sorry m8tt but, with respect, you need to think a little bit more about what you're saying here. No signing is a guarenteed winner as ALL clubs can testify and there is no evidence to suggest any of the candidates you mention will score more goals than players we have already. Berbatov, for example, is a proven goal scorer but wouln't fit into our team at all which brings me to my main point - 'Machine Gun' Dani hasn't been brought in by Poch because they're friends. Give the man a little more credit than that. Poch knows, given that they have worked together before, he will fit in with the work ethic and understand the football that Poch wants to play. This may or may not be successful but I have faith in Poch (who has also been surprised by the physicallity of the English game as well as Dani) and therefore hope to see Dani scoing readily for us. I doubt whether there will be much activity in the January window, neither NC nor Poch are fans of it, knee-jerk is not the way we do things these days and the youth at this club are the future. STID Anyone else see the fantastic Hesketh goal v Pompey? Another star in the making. st1halo

5:30pm Tue 17 Dec 13

saintsfanfairoak says...

To be honest i think we need to strengthen in all areas,
at this level we need to allow for injury and lack of form etc,and i think its showing now..
Maybe look at youth players rather than spending silly money.
But overall the performance has been good but we do need to spend in the transfer window if we want to be in the top 4 or 5 come the end of season.
To be honest i think we need to strengthen in all areas, at this level we need to allow for injury and lack of form etc,and i think its showing now.. Maybe look at youth players rather than spending silly money. But overall the performance has been good but we do need to spend in the transfer window if we want to be in the top 4 or 5 come the end of season. saintsfanfairoak

5:37pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Sadoldgitte says...

We will sign more players in January. We are weak in some areas and Poch knows that very well. Some of the goals we have been conceeding over the last few weeks have been embarrassing and our lack of goals is a worry.
I wouldnt be surprised to see us sign another midfielder but we need a decent goalkeeper and another quality centre half. I wouldnt be upset to see Dani go. Perhaps it was a mistake not to sign Hooper after all.
We will sign more players in January. We are weak in some areas and Poch knows that very well. Some of the goals we have been conceeding over the last few weeks have been embarrassing and our lack of goals is a worry. I wouldnt be surprised to see us sign another midfielder but we need a decent goalkeeper and another quality centre half. I wouldnt be upset to see Dani go. Perhaps it was a mistake not to sign Hooper after all. Sadoldgitte

5:48pm Tue 17 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Chriops wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Mmmm...overall then, it looks as if the consensus is we need new players to ensure that:

A) Less goals are conceded.

and

B) More goals are scored.

in order that:

C) More games are won
I'm leaning towards Retford's thinking here but if we do bring just ONE new face in, then someone to add pace up front would be nice.

It's more important in my eyes that we hold onto ALL our key players.

Oh, and if Osprey can be a pedant, so can I .....

LESS goals????? What school did you go to, Confucious?

Oh, and Osprey, Chriops's use of CENTER rather than CENTRE is acceptable in US English, maybe he's from across the pond. I bet you hadn't thought OF that! :-)
Are you saying fewer goals would be more acceptable? What color shirts do you want, red and white stripes?
I'm not from across the pond, unless Gosport is? It's just the stupid american spell checker on my PC - hey, at least I use one unlike many here.
On a regular basis, I have to deal with English teaching materials, course books and exams which have been put through the US mangle. For example, 'Have your students read the text.' (No, that's not a question about the past which is missing its question mark, it's a command in the present as in 'ASK your students TO read the text'.)

So, for the American spell-check (and for living in Gosport, come to think of it) I sympathize with you and your neighbors.

I know ER might look more esthetically pleasing, I realize it's common practise to bu66er about with our words and I won't labor the point, but having agonized over it and then internalized everything, if the dialog on here is to maximize its potential, there needs to be some standardization; maybe Osprey can formulate a spelling program.

Anyway, spending big bucks in the transfer window might be flavor of the month, but if the rumurs I'm hearing have wheels, and if those wheels have tires, and if those tired wheels are the big ones you find on a truck in the parking lot waiting to be driven down the highway, then Saints won't be making the in or out cash register ring to the sound of the purchase or vending of too many awesome fieldsmen this vacation.
I use Google a lot to check my spelling but only if it doesn't look right, I could have sworn recommend had two c's and one m!
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chriops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Mmmm...overall then, it looks as if the consensus is we need new players to ensure that: A) Less goals are conceded. and B) More goals are scored. in order that: C) More games are won[/p][/quote]I'm leaning towards Retford's thinking here but if we do bring just ONE new face in, then someone to add pace up front would be nice. It's more important in my eyes that we hold onto ALL our key players. Oh, and if Osprey can be a pedant, so can I ..... LESS goals????? What school did you go to, Confucious? Oh, and Osprey, Chriops's use of CENTER rather than CENTRE is acceptable in US English, maybe he's from across the pond. I bet you hadn't thought OF that! :-)[/p][/quote]Are you saying fewer goals would be more acceptable? What color shirts do you want, red and white stripes?[/p][/quote]I'm not from across the pond, unless Gosport is? It's just the stupid american spell checker on my PC - hey, at least I use one unlike many here.[/p][/quote]On a regular basis, I have to deal with English teaching materials, course books and exams which have been put through the US mangle. For example, 'Have your students read the text.' (No, that's not a question about the past which is missing its question mark, it's a command in the present as in 'ASK your students TO read the text'.) So, for the American spell-check (and for living in Gosport, come to think of it) I sympathize with you and your neighbors. I know ER might look more esthetically pleasing, I realize it's common practise to bu66er about with our words and I won't labor the point, but having agonized over it and then internalized everything, if the dialog on here is to maximize its potential, there needs to be some standardization; maybe Osprey can formulate a spelling program. Anyway, spending big bucks in the transfer window might be flavor of the month, but if the rumurs I'm hearing have wheels, and if those wheels have tires, and if those tired wheels are the big ones you find on a truck in the parking lot waiting to be driven down the highway, then Saints won't be making the in or out cash register ring to the sound of the purchase or vending of too many awesome fieldsmen this vacation.[/p][/quote]I use Google a lot to check my spelling but only if it doesn't look right, I could have sworn recommend had two c's and one m! OSPREYSAINT

5:55pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Confucious says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Mmmm...overall then, it looks as if the consensus is we need new players to ensure that:

A) Less goals are conceded.

and

B) More goals are scored.

in order that:

C) More games are won
I'm leaning towards Retford's thinking here but if we do bring just ONE new face in, then someone to add pace up front would be nice.

It's more important in my eyes that we hold onto ALL our key players.

Oh, and if Osprey can be a pedant, so can I .....

LESS goals????? What school did you go to, Confucious?

Oh, and Osprey, Chriops's use of CENTER rather than CENTRE is acceptable in US English, maybe he's from across the pond. I bet you hadn't thought OF that! :-)
I am a proud graduate of The Institute of Fukced Up Quantifiable Nouns.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Mmmm...overall then, it looks as if the consensus is we need new players to ensure that: A) Less goals are conceded. and B) More goals are scored. in order that: C) More games are won[/p][/quote]I'm leaning towards Retford's thinking here but if we do bring just ONE new face in, then someone to add pace up front would be nice. It's more important in my eyes that we hold onto ALL our key players. Oh, and if Osprey can be a pedant, so can I ..... LESS goals????? What school did you go to, Confucious? Oh, and Osprey, Chriops's use of CENTER rather than CENTRE is acceptable in US English, maybe he's from across the pond. I bet you hadn't thought OF that! :-)[/p][/quote]I am a proud graduate of The Institute of Fukced Up Quantifiable Nouns. Confucious

6:02pm Tue 17 Dec 13

angus mc coatup says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Chriops wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Mmmm...overall then, it looks as if the consensus is we need new players to ensure that:

A) Less goals are conceded.

and

B) More goals are scored.

in order that:

C) More games are won
I'm leaning towards Retford's thinking here but if we do bring just ONE new face in, then someone to add pace up front would be nice.

It's more important in my eyes that we hold onto ALL our key players.

Oh, and if Osprey can be a pedant, so can I .....

LESS goals????? What school did you go to, Confucious?

Oh, and Osprey, Chriops's use of CENTER rather than CENTRE is acceptable in US English, maybe he's from across the pond. I bet you hadn't thought OF that! :-)
Are you saying fewer goals would be more acceptable? What color shirts do you want, red and white stripes?
I'm not from across the pond, unless Gosport is? It's just the stupid american spell checker on my PC - hey, at least I use one unlike many here.
On a regular basis, I have to deal with English teaching materials, course books and exams which have been put through the US mangle. For example, 'Have your students read the text.' (No, that's not a question about the past which is missing its question mark, it's a command in the present as in 'ASK your students TO read the text'.)

So, for the American spell-check (and for living in Gosport, come to think of it) I sympathize with you and your neighbors.

I know ER might look more esthetically pleasing, I realize it's common practise to bu66er about with our words and I won't labor the point, but having agonized over it and then internalized everything, if the dialog on here is to maximize its potential, there needs to be some standardization; maybe Osprey can formulate a spelling program.

Anyway, spending big bucks in the transfer window might be flavor of the month, but if the rumurs I'm hearing have wheels, and if those wheels have tires, and if those tired wheels are the big ones you find on a truck in the parking lot waiting to be driven down the highway, then Saints won't be making the in or out cash register ring to the sound of the purchase or vending of too many awesome fieldsmen this vacation.
Well for sure Strass ol buddy, What ol Pochy needs is a big hitter in the score zone, especially in the six, to get more uploads on frame. Someone who can win those ol chicken wing battles and get into the offensive zones, therefore
getting more big boomers into the onion bag, and hitting more diagonals into the green field areas. And a big guy in the defence zone to rawhide the hell outa their offence would help to stop their big hitters from getting into our part of the field and get
around the eighteen.........tho
se guys don't come cheap though.
need a case load of greenbacks....Ya'll come back now ya hear.....
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chriops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Mmmm...overall then, it looks as if the consensus is we need new players to ensure that: A) Less goals are conceded. and B) More goals are scored. in order that: C) More games are won[/p][/quote]I'm leaning towards Retford's thinking here but if we do bring just ONE new face in, then someone to add pace up front would be nice. It's more important in my eyes that we hold onto ALL our key players. Oh, and if Osprey can be a pedant, so can I ..... LESS goals????? What school did you go to, Confucious? Oh, and Osprey, Chriops's use of CENTER rather than CENTRE is acceptable in US English, maybe he's from across the pond. I bet you hadn't thought OF that! :-)[/p][/quote]Are you saying fewer goals would be more acceptable? What color shirts do you want, red and white stripes?[/p][/quote]I'm not from across the pond, unless Gosport is? It's just the stupid american spell checker on my PC - hey, at least I use one unlike many here.[/p][/quote]On a regular basis, I have to deal with English teaching materials, course books and exams which have been put through the US mangle. For example, 'Have your students read the text.' (No, that's not a question about the past which is missing its question mark, it's a command in the present as in 'ASK your students TO read the text'.) So, for the American spell-check (and for living in Gosport, come to think of it) I sympathize with you and your neighbors. I know ER might look more esthetically pleasing, I realize it's common practise to bu66er about with our words and I won't labor the point, but having agonized over it and then internalized everything, if the dialog on here is to maximize its potential, there needs to be some standardization; maybe Osprey can formulate a spelling program. Anyway, spending big bucks in the transfer window might be flavor of the month, but if the rumurs I'm hearing have wheels, and if those wheels have tires, and if those tired wheels are the big ones you find on a truck in the parking lot waiting to be driven down the highway, then Saints won't be making the in or out cash register ring to the sound of the purchase or vending of too many awesome fieldsmen this vacation.[/p][/quote]Well for sure Strass ol buddy, What ol Pochy needs is a big hitter in the score zone, especially in the six, to get more uploads on frame. Someone who can win those ol chicken wing battles and get into the offensive zones, therefore getting more big boomers into the onion bag, and hitting more diagonals into the green field areas. And a big guy in the defence zone to rawhide the hell outa their offence would help to stop their big hitters from getting into our part of the field and get around the eighteen.........tho se guys don't come cheap though. need a case load of greenbacks....Ya'll come back now ya hear..... angus mc coatup

6:07pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

angus mc coatup wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Chriops wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Mmmm...overall then, it looks as if the consensus is we need new players to ensure that:

A) Less goals are conceded.

and

B) More goals are scored.

in order that:

C) More games are won
I'm leaning towards Retford's thinking here but if we do bring just ONE new face in, then someone to add pace up front would be nice.

It's more important in my eyes that we hold onto ALL our key players.

Oh, and if Osprey can be a pedant, so can I .....

LESS goals????? What school did you go to, Confucious?

Oh, and Osprey, Chriops's use of CENTER rather than CENTRE is acceptable in US English, maybe he's from across the pond. I bet you hadn't thought OF that! :-)
Are you saying fewer goals would be more acceptable? What color shirts do you want, red and white stripes?
I'm not from across the pond, unless Gosport is? It's just the stupid american spell checker on my PC - hey, at least I use one unlike many here.
On a regular basis, I have to deal with English teaching materials, course books and exams which have been put through the US mangle. For example, 'Have your students read the text.' (No, that's not a question about the past which is missing its question mark, it's a command in the present as in 'ASK your students TO read the text'.)

So, for the American spell-check (and for living in Gosport, come to think of it) I sympathize with you and your neighbors.

I know ER might look more esthetically pleasing, I realize it's common practise to bu66er about with our words and I won't labor the point, but having agonized over it and then internalized everything, if the dialog on here is to maximize its potential, there needs to be some standardization; maybe Osprey can formulate a spelling program.

Anyway, spending big bucks in the transfer window might be flavor of the month, but if the rumurs I'm hearing have wheels, and if those wheels have tires, and if those tired wheels are the big ones you find on a truck in the parking lot waiting to be driven down the highway, then Saints won't be making the in or out cash register ring to the sound of the purchase or vending of too many awesome fieldsmen this vacation.
Well for sure Strass ol buddy, What ol Pochy needs is a big hitter in the score zone, especially in the six, to get more uploads on frame. Someone who can win those ol chicken wing battles and get into the offensive zones, therefore
getting more big boomers into the onion bag, and hitting more diagonals into the green field areas. And a big guy in the defence zone to rawhide the hell outa their offence would help to stop their big hitters from getting into our part of the field and get
around the eighteen.........tho

se guys don't come cheap though.
need a case load of greenbacks....Ya'll come back now ya hear.....
Yer ma main man, Mac! Yo!
[quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chriops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Mmmm...overall then, it looks as if the consensus is we need new players to ensure that: A) Less goals are conceded. and B) More goals are scored. in order that: C) More games are won[/p][/quote]I'm leaning towards Retford's thinking here but if we do bring just ONE new face in, then someone to add pace up front would be nice. It's more important in my eyes that we hold onto ALL our key players. Oh, and if Osprey can be a pedant, so can I ..... LESS goals????? What school did you go to, Confucious? Oh, and Osprey, Chriops's use of CENTER rather than CENTRE is acceptable in US English, maybe he's from across the pond. I bet you hadn't thought OF that! :-)[/p][/quote]Are you saying fewer goals would be more acceptable? What color shirts do you want, red and white stripes?[/p][/quote]I'm not from across the pond, unless Gosport is? It's just the stupid american spell checker on my PC - hey, at least I use one unlike many here.[/p][/quote]On a regular basis, I have to deal with English teaching materials, course books and exams which have been put through the US mangle. For example, 'Have your students read the text.' (No, that's not a question about the past which is missing its question mark, it's a command in the present as in 'ASK your students TO read the text'.) So, for the American spell-check (and for living in Gosport, come to think of it) I sympathize with you and your neighbors. I know ER might look more esthetically pleasing, I realize it's common practise to bu66er about with our words and I won't labor the point, but having agonized over it and then internalized everything, if the dialog on here is to maximize its potential, there needs to be some standardization; maybe Osprey can formulate a spelling program. Anyway, spending big bucks in the transfer window might be flavor of the month, but if the rumurs I'm hearing have wheels, and if those wheels have tires, and if those tired wheels are the big ones you find on a truck in the parking lot waiting to be driven down the highway, then Saints won't be making the in or out cash register ring to the sound of the purchase or vending of too many awesome fieldsmen this vacation.[/p][/quote]Well for sure Strass ol buddy, What ol Pochy needs is a big hitter in the score zone, especially in the six, to get more uploads on frame. Someone who can win those ol chicken wing battles and get into the offensive zones, therefore getting more big boomers into the onion bag, and hitting more diagonals into the green field areas. And a big guy in the defence zone to rawhide the hell outa their offence would help to stop their big hitters from getting into our part of the field and get around the eighteen.........tho se guys don't come cheap though. need a case load of greenbacks....Ya'll come back now ya hear.....[/p][/quote]Yer ma main man, Mac! Yo! Strasbourg Saint

6:49pm Tue 17 Dec 13

redsnapper says...

St Retford wrote:
I'm not convinced we need to strengthen at all.
I tend to agree. We have a super squad with a fantastic team spirit and we have a pipeline of youth who are inspired by the first team performance and with everything else that NC is doing really why would any player want to go anywhere else.??
Follow the great examples of Le Tiss and Adam to name but 2 and we will continue to prosper.
Finishing 6 or 7th this season will be just right for the development of the team....but if there is one addition to be made it is GK.

COYR and thump the spurs gain
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: I'm not convinced we need to strengthen at all.[/p][/quote]I tend to agree. We have a super squad with a fantastic team spirit and we have a pipeline of youth who are inspired by the first team performance and with everything else that NC is doing really why would any player want to go anywhere else.?? Follow the great examples of Le Tiss and Adam to name but 2 and we will continue to prosper. Finishing 6 or 7th this season will be just right for the development of the team....but if there is one addition to be made it is GK. COYR and thump the spurs gain redsnapper

7:05pm Tue 17 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Confucious wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Mmmm...overall then, it looks as if the consensus is we need new players to ensure that:

A) Less goals are conceded.

and

B) More goals are scored.

in order that:

C) More games are won
I'm leaning towards Retford's thinking here but if we do bring just ONE new face in, then someone to add pace up front would be nice.

It's more important in my eyes that we hold onto ALL our key players.

Oh, and if Osprey can be a pedant, so can I .....

LESS goals????? What school did you go to, Confucious?

Oh, and Osprey, Chriops's use of CENTER rather than CENTRE is acceptable in US English, maybe he's from across the pond. I bet you hadn't thought OF that! :-)
I am a proud graduate of The Institute of Fukced Up Quantifiable Nouns.
What colour is the Diploma?
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Mmmm...overall then, it looks as if the consensus is we need new players to ensure that: A) Less goals are conceded. and B) More goals are scored. in order that: C) More games are won[/p][/quote]I'm leaning towards Retford's thinking here but if we do bring just ONE new face in, then someone to add pace up front would be nice. It's more important in my eyes that we hold onto ALL our key players. Oh, and if Osprey can be a pedant, so can I ..... LESS goals????? What school did you go to, Confucious? Oh, and Osprey, Chriops's use of CENTER rather than CENTRE is acceptable in US English, maybe he's from across the pond. I bet you hadn't thought OF that! :-)[/p][/quote]I am a proud graduate of The Institute of Fukced Up Quantifiable Nouns.[/p][/quote]What colour is the Diploma? OSPREYSAINT

7:38pm Tue 17 Dec 13

donni1437 says...

Suarez and Ronaldo would be nice. We need and GK and Centre back and they might get a game.
Suarez and Ronaldo would be nice. We need and GK and Centre back and they might get a game. donni1437

7:41pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Baddesley Bill says...

So with all these signings that some seem to think we need....when do are young guns get their chance?

Yes...our squad needs to be strong, but our future is going to be built on foundation that is the talent from the academy.

It's all about balance....and I have very few issues with the way things are going for us to date.

It'll be interesting to see who we offload...but I certainly don't expect many new signings (if any at all).
So with all these signings that some seem to think we need....when do are young guns get their chance? Yes...our squad needs to be strong, but our future is going to be built on foundation that is the talent from the academy. It's all about balance....and I have very few issues with the way things are going for us to date. It'll be interesting to see who we offload...but I certainly don't expect many new signings (if any at all). Baddesley Bill

7:42pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Baddesley Bill says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
So with all these signings that some seem to think we need....when do are young guns get their chance?

Yes...our squad needs to be strong, but our future is going to be built on foundation that is the talent from the academy.

It's all about balance....and I have very few issues with the way things are going for us to date.

It'll be interesting to see who we offload...but I certainly don't expect many new signings (if any at all).
*our
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: So with all these signings that some seem to think we need....when do are young guns get their chance? Yes...our squad needs to be strong, but our future is going to be built on foundation that is the talent from the academy. It's all about balance....and I have very few issues with the way things are going for us to date. It'll be interesting to see who we offload...but I certainly don't expect many new signings (if any at all).[/p][/quote]*our Baddesley Bill

8:13pm Tue 17 Dec 13

westfordUSAsaints says...

saint Compo wrote:
westfordUSAsaints wrote:
m8ttwindsor wrote:
Ceaser £2m
Forster £8m
Kaboul £8m
Richards £6m
Astori £8m
Mertens £12m
Tadic £8m
Atsu ON A FREE
De Bruyne SEASON LOAN

Beneteke will be under £10m by the end of the season....

For a team wanting europe consistantly (from the board, players & manager that is) these are the types of players we need.
That is one large shopping list, and one very large salary bill!!! Why would we waste all that money, erh, SPURS!!!!

I doubt anyone will be brought it. No team can have like for like replacements in the squad, that's when you get discontent and bigger named stars start moaning.

I'm happy with them blooding more of the youngsters to put added pressure on what we have now stepping it up, clearly they are doing that.

As far as the goals conceded.

The Arsenal goals were Boruc being a twit, and Jose being pulled up for shirt tugging and a pen. Unlucky.

We got undone by Chelsea, and then Villa was just one of those games. We can't expect to keep clean sheets every week.

Gazza is good coverage for Boruc, he will get better.

A CB would be good, but I can't see MP getting someone else in Jan.

Midfield is OK, Gaston might be shipped out if the offer is right, but with Vic out, I suspect he will be kept around until the end of the year as coverage, then given another pre-season to buck his ideas up, again, he is still young.

We don't need a new striker this season. Dani is finding his feet in the PL, I think he will come good.

Top 8 would be a great second year back, remember 2ND YEAR BACK!

It's too soon to be going after Europe, we need a bigger squad to take that one.

We wait until after the WC, pick off 3 new additions in the summer, and we go again. Steadily building this squad to consistently take on the top 6.
Wait until after the WC. That's cr*p!
Really, crap? Let's see, we want top players, most of who are probably playing in the WC. Don't you think their clubs, agents, etc would be waiting until it's over to get the best deal possible.

We saw this last season, with Euro '12, virtually no team got going until after that was over.

I seriously doubt anyone will show up until after pre-season gets under way, which I think is early July, right when the WC ends!

bosh!
[quote][p][bold]saint Compo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]westfordUSAsaints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]m8ttwindsor[/bold] wrote: Ceaser £2m Forster £8m Kaboul £8m Richards £6m Astori £8m Mertens £12m Tadic £8m Atsu ON A FREE De Bruyne SEASON LOAN Beneteke will be under £10m by the end of the season.... For a team wanting europe consistantly (from the board, players & manager that is) these are the types of players we need.[/p][/quote]That is one large shopping list, and one very large salary bill!!! Why would we waste all that money, erh, SPURS!!!! I doubt anyone will be brought it. No team can have like for like replacements in the squad, that's when you get discontent and bigger named stars start moaning. I'm happy with them blooding more of the youngsters to put added pressure on what we have now stepping it up, clearly they are doing that. As far as the goals conceded. The Arsenal goals were Boruc being a twit, and Jose being pulled up for shirt tugging and a pen. Unlucky. We got undone by Chelsea, and then Villa was just one of those games. We can't expect to keep clean sheets every week. Gazza is good coverage for Boruc, he will get better. A CB would be good, but I can't see MP getting someone else in Jan. Midfield is OK, Gaston might be shipped out if the offer is right, but with Vic out, I suspect he will be kept around until the end of the year as coverage, then given another pre-season to buck his ideas up, again, he is still young. We don't need a new striker this season. Dani is finding his feet in the PL, I think he will come good. Top 8 would be a great second year back, remember 2ND YEAR BACK! It's too soon to be going after Europe, we need a bigger squad to take that one. We wait until after the WC, pick off 3 new additions in the summer, and we go again. Steadily building this squad to consistently take on the top 6.[/p][/quote]Wait until after the WC. That's cr*p![/p][/quote]Really, crap? Let's see, we want top players, most of who are probably playing in the WC. Don't you think their clubs, agents, etc would be waiting until it's over to get the best deal possible. We saw this last season, with Euro '12, virtually no team got going until after that was over. I seriously doubt anyone will show up until after pre-season gets under way, which I think is early July, right when the WC ends! bosh! westfordUSAsaints

8:36pm Tue 17 Dec 13

miltonnroad76 says...

well Boruc will be back soon and so will davis so no panic there....the worry is cover for shaw unless clyne can play there cos fox looks out of his depth and cover for lovren /fonte cos hoover is liabilty ..those two need to go ..dont write gaston yet off what if lallana was injured he may will come in and fill that role.Apparently Chambers started football as winger/midfielder well thats a great option because hard to leave him or clyne out. And gotta say well done jay rod suprising us all .Looking forward to sunday think saints are gonna rip em up ..unless we get any more injuries..
well Boruc will be back soon and so will davis so no panic there....the worry is cover for shaw unless clyne can play there cos fox looks out of his depth and cover for lovren /fonte cos hoover is liabilty ..those two need to go ..dont write gaston yet off what if lallana was injured he may will come in and fill that role.Apparently Chambers started football as winger/midfielder well thats a great option because hard to leave him or clyne out. And gotta say well done jay rod suprising us all .Looking forward to sunday think saints are gonna rip em up ..unless we get any more injuries.. miltonnroad76

8:56pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Mmmm...overall then, it looks as if the consensus is we need new players to ensure that:

A) Less goals are conceded.

and

B) More goals are scored.

in order that:

C) More games are won
I'm leaning towards Retford's thinking here but if we do bring just ONE new face in, then someone to add pace up front would be nice.

It's more important in my eyes that we hold onto ALL our key players.

Oh, and if Osprey can be a pedant, so can I .....

LESS goals????? What school did you go to, Confucious?

Oh, and Osprey, Chriops's use of CENTER rather than CENTRE is acceptable in US English, maybe he's from across the pond. I bet you hadn't thought OF that! :-)
I am a proud graduate of The Institute of Fukced Up Quantifiable Nouns.
What colour is the Diploma?
I think Confucious would tell you that those kinds of informations are secret, but take my advices, the IFUQN's trainings are dreadful. Still, the higher, the lesser, I suppose.

As for strengthening the squad, Bill makes the point about the youth. If anything, the place we need (to continue) to strengthen is the youth, and that keeps happening every time one of our academy players gets on the bench or on the pitch. Fill the squad with older, established players and that won't happen.

This season, the following young players have all gained match time and, thus, had the chance to improve - ergo, their respective positions have all been strengthened without entering the transfer circus:
Chambers, Shaw, JWP, Read, Gallagher, Isgrove & Rowe (any others??)

Add to that the established, still young, players - Cork, Schneiderlin, Lallana, Rodriguez & Clyne (some bought for their potential) and we have a constantly improving squad already.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Mmmm...overall then, it looks as if the consensus is we need new players to ensure that: A) Less goals are conceded. and B) More goals are scored. in order that: C) More games are won[/p][/quote]I'm leaning towards Retford's thinking here but if we do bring just ONE new face in, then someone to add pace up front would be nice. It's more important in my eyes that we hold onto ALL our key players. Oh, and if Osprey can be a pedant, so can I ..... LESS goals????? What school did you go to, Confucious? Oh, and Osprey, Chriops's use of CENTER rather than CENTRE is acceptable in US English, maybe he's from across the pond. I bet you hadn't thought OF that! :-)[/p][/quote]I am a proud graduate of The Institute of Fukced Up Quantifiable Nouns.[/p][/quote]What colour is the Diploma?[/p][/quote]I think Confucious would tell you that those kinds of informations are secret, but take my advices, the IFUQN's trainings are dreadful. Still, the higher, the lesser, I suppose. As for strengthening the squad, Bill makes the point about the youth. If anything, the place we need (to continue) to strengthen is the youth, and that keeps happening every time one of our academy players gets on the bench or on the pitch. Fill the squad with older, established players and that won't happen. This season, the following young players have all gained match time and, thus, had the chance to improve - ergo, their respective positions have all been strengthened without entering the transfer circus: Chambers, Shaw, JWP, Read, Gallagher, Isgrove & Rowe (any others??) Add to that the established, still young, players - Cork, Schneiderlin, Lallana, Rodriguez & Clyne (some bought for their potential) and we have a constantly improving squad already. Strasbourg Saint

9:12pm Tue 17 Dec 13

swesaint says...

Saint. wrote:
For me a center back in Lovern quality.

A striker! Though I think Osvaldo is still finding his feet and will come good for Saints, and Rod is going from strength to strength and looking good penetrating defences with ease now, and with Mr reliable Sir Ricky! We really need a striker to scare the pants off defenders and when we are attacking will score goals more regular and quick/instant in the attack!

We have out played so man team this season , that if we had a finisher in Saurez or Ronaldo quality we wold put many a game to bed quicker!

Before the comments, the above I accept is not easy to find unless you pay really silly wages! But truly hope Saints are really looking to find that undiscovered gem out there who scores without thinking so to speak.
Wow, so if we had a Ronaldo or Suarez quality player we would do better? What other gems of information do you sit on?
[quote][p][bold]Saint.[/bold] wrote: For me a center back in Lovern quality. A striker! Though I think Osvaldo is still finding his feet and will come good for Saints, and Rod is going from strength to strength and looking good penetrating defences with ease now, and with Mr reliable Sir Ricky! We really need a striker to scare the pants off defenders and when we are attacking will score goals more regular and quick/instant in the attack! We have out played so man team this season , that if we had a finisher in Saurez or Ronaldo quality we wold put many a game to bed quicker! Before the comments, the above I accept is not easy to find unless you pay really silly wages! But truly hope Saints are really looking to find that undiscovered gem out there who scores without thinking so to speak.[/p][/quote]Wow, so if we had a Ronaldo or Suarez quality player we would do better? What other gems of information do you sit on? swesaint

9:13pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Malcombe says...

All Saints Supporters read the fantastic article on BBC News on-line England Hampshire & Isle of Wight it's a must.
I was at St Marys for the Man City game sat in line with the 6 yard area, I was concentrating on the game and in particular Gazza the Keeper, he does lack confidence and I think he's afraid of making a silly mistake but obviously wants to do it right after the high standard Artur has set himself, so a Goal Keeper should be first on the list, Shay Given is available and would be good for the short term to help the injury crisis but an under 25 1st Class Keeper is needed, a Striker and a mid field Play maker should also be considered, we are blessed with some wonderful Players but "The aint scoring enough goals" Saints have played with a lot of confidence but have slipped down the League because of getting 1 point not 3, naturally all the Supporters would rather the Team got 1 point than none but form is one thing but form and winning makes the difference, I estimate Saints have dropped about 10/12 points and even if an allowance of a few dropped points ie 6 points that's a lot for where Saints are now and where they could be, 2/4 games past if Saints had beaten Arsenal they would of gone 2nd in the League and thats like it was yesterday, I do not think Saints will sell any of the regular 1st Team Players, they all love Playing for Southampton FC and all are singing from the same hymn sheet that is , we are Southampton and we all have the same ambition as the Chairman and the Manager, ONWARDS AND UPWARDS IS WHERE WE ARE GOING
All Saints Supporters read the fantastic article on BBC News on-line England Hampshire & Isle of Wight it's a must. I was at St Marys for the Man City game sat in line with the 6 yard area, I was concentrating on the game and in particular Gazza the Keeper, he does lack confidence and I think he's afraid of making a silly mistake but obviously wants to do it right after the high standard Artur has set himself, so a Goal Keeper should be first on the list, Shay Given is available and would be good for the short term to help the injury crisis but an under 25 1st Class Keeper is needed, a Striker and a mid field Play maker should also be considered, we are blessed with some wonderful Players but "The aint scoring enough goals" Saints have played with a lot of confidence but have slipped down the League because of getting 1 point not 3, naturally all the Supporters would rather the Team got 1 point than none but form is one thing but form and winning makes the difference, I estimate Saints have dropped about 10/12 points and even if an allowance of a few dropped points ie 6 points that's a lot for where Saints are now and where they could be, 2/4 games past if Saints had beaten Arsenal they would of gone 2nd in the League and thats like it was yesterday, I do not think Saints will sell any of the regular 1st Team Players, they all love Playing for Southampton FC and all are singing from the same hymn sheet that is , we are Southampton and we all have the same ambition as the Chairman and the Manager, ONWARDS AND UPWARDS IS WHERE WE ARE GOING Malcombe

9:18pm Tue 17 Dec 13

swesaint says...

m8ttwindsor wrote:
St Retford wrote:
I'm not convinced we need to strengthen at all.
Really? we lose one GK & def and concede 8 in 5. more than weve conceded all year. Weve only scored 20 Goals this season, thats manipulated by the 4-1 we beat hull. 16 goals in 15 games is not top 8 material, barely top 10.

No replacement for Boruc
No replacement for Fonte/Lovren
No replacement for Shaw
No replacement for Wanyama
No replacement for Lallana.
No replacement for Rodriguez

There is alot to strengthen.
Problem with people like you is that you think we are in a position to have replacements as good as the starters as squad players. It does not happen. I think we have done ok with the injuries. Just unlucky to get 5 or 6 at the same time and 2 keepers.
[quote][p][bold]m8ttwindsor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: I'm not convinced we need to strengthen at all.[/p][/quote]Really? we lose one GK & def and concede 8 in 5. more than weve conceded all year. Weve only scored 20 Goals this season, thats manipulated by the 4-1 we beat hull. 16 goals in 15 games is not top 8 material, barely top 10. No replacement for Boruc No replacement for Fonte/Lovren No replacement for Shaw No replacement for Wanyama No replacement for Lallana. No replacement for Rodriguez There is alot to strengthen.[/p][/quote]Problem with people like you is that you think we are in a position to have replacements as good as the starters as squad players. It does not happen. I think we have done ok with the injuries. Just unlucky to get 5 or 6 at the same time and 2 keepers. swesaint

9:25pm Tue 17 Dec 13

swesaint says...

m8ttwindsor wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
m8ttwindsor wrote: Hasty? He had one great season at Espanyol, before that he'd scored 28 goals in 106 appearances. At Roma he scored 27 in TWO SEASONS, equavalant to (in the last 3 years of the premier league)..... DJ CAMPBELL, ANDY CARROLL, MALOUDA, PAPISS CISSE, (you can have balottelli). Do I need to mention that Lambert scored 15 last season.....Even Grant Holt got 14 the season before. For £15 million plus the ridiculous fees and add ons I want someone a hell of alot better with a much better goalscoring record.
Wouldn't we all, but i don't see it happening, they are rarer than hens teeth and those that have them aren't going to let them go in a hurry.
Pessimist! :P

For £15 million we could of have......

Benteke
Ba (LOAN)
JOVETIC (LOAN)
Oscar Cardoza
Helmes
Ben Yedder
Volland

But because none of these were FRIENDS with Pochettino they got overlooked :p
It had more to do with our wage structure
[quote][p][bold]m8ttwindsor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]m8ttwindsor[/bold] wrote: Hasty? He had one great season at Espanyol, before that he'd scored 28 goals in 106 appearances. At Roma he scored 27 in TWO SEASONS, equavalant to (in the last 3 years of the premier league)..... DJ CAMPBELL, ANDY CARROLL, MALOUDA, PAPISS CISSE, (you can have balottelli). Do I need to mention that Lambert scored 15 last season.....Even Grant Holt got 14 the season before. For £15 million plus the ridiculous fees and add ons I want someone a hell of alot better with a much better goalscoring record.[/p][/quote]Wouldn't we all, but i don't see it happening, they are rarer than hens teeth and those that have them aren't going to let them go in a hurry.[/p][/quote]Pessimist! :P For £15 million we could of have...... Benteke Ba (LOAN) JOVETIC (LOAN) Oscar Cardoza Helmes Ben Yedder Volland But because none of these were FRIENDS with Pochettino they got overlooked :p[/p][/quote]It had more to do with our wage structure swesaint

9:26pm Tue 17 Dec 13

swesaint says...

m8ttwindsor wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
m8ttwindsor wrote: Hasty? He had one great season at Espanyol, before that he'd scored 28 goals in 106 appearances. At Roma he scored 27 in TWO SEASONS, equavalant to (in the last 3 years of the premier league)..... DJ CAMPBELL, ANDY CARROLL, MALOUDA, PAPISS CISSE, (you can have balottelli). Do I need to mention that Lambert scored 15 last season.....Even Grant Holt got 14 the season before. For £15 million plus the ridiculous fees and add ons I want someone a hell of alot better with a much better goalscoring record.
Wouldn't we all, but i don't see it happening, they are rarer than hens teeth and those that have them aren't going to let them go in a hurry.
Pessimist! :P

For £15 million we could of have......

Benteke
Ba (LOAN)
JOVETIC (LOAN)
Oscar Cardoza
Helmes
Ben Yedder
Volland

But because none of these were FRIENDS with Pochettino they got overlooked :p
It had more to do with our wage structure
[quote][p][bold]m8ttwindsor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]m8ttwindsor[/bold] wrote: Hasty? He had one great season at Espanyol, before that he'd scored 28 goals in 106 appearances. At Roma he scored 27 in TWO SEASONS, equavalant to (in the last 3 years of the premier league)..... DJ CAMPBELL, ANDY CARROLL, MALOUDA, PAPISS CISSE, (you can have balottelli). Do I need to mention that Lambert scored 15 last season.....Even Grant Holt got 14 the season before. For £15 million plus the ridiculous fees and add ons I want someone a hell of alot better with a much better goalscoring record.[/p][/quote]Wouldn't we all, but i don't see it happening, they are rarer than hens teeth and those that have them aren't going to let them go in a hurry.[/p][/quote]Pessimist! :P For £15 million we could of have...... Benteke Ba (LOAN) JOVETIC (LOAN) Oscar Cardoza Helmes Ben Yedder Volland But because none of these were FRIENDS with Pochettino they got overlooked :p[/p][/quote]It had more to do with our wage structure swesaint

9:42pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Tony in Liberia says...

Most teams buy in quality, international players to fulfill their short-term needs. I don't think we should. I think the academy players coming through will provide the cover.

Those who doubt this, consider the world-class and Premier-quality-if-n
ot-world-class players our academy has produced who are currently playing - Bale, Walcott, Ox, Dyer, Cranie, the central defender at Newcastle, Bridge, the Irish guy who played in the cup final and went to Fulham, forgotten his name - we produce quality from our academy, and in my mind it's stupid to come up with lists of 5 or 6 players who would just clog up that conveyor belt.

We get the best kids coming here becuase they see a pipe-line to the first team. Let's not spoil that!
Most teams buy in quality, international players to fulfill their short-term needs. I don't think we should. I think the academy players coming through will provide the cover. Those who doubt this, consider the world-class and Premier-quality-if-n ot-world-class players our academy has produced who are currently playing - Bale, Walcott, Ox, Dyer, Cranie, the central defender at Newcastle, Bridge, the Irish guy who played in the cup final and went to Fulham, forgotten his name - we produce quality from our academy, and in my mind it's stupid to come up with lists of 5 or 6 players who would just clog up that conveyor belt. We get the best kids coming here becuase they see a pipe-line to the first team. Let's not spoil that! Tony in Liberia

9:57pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Baddesley Bill says...

Tony in Liberia wrote:
Most teams buy in quality, international players to fulfill their short-term needs. I don't think we should. I think the academy players coming through will provide the cover.

Those who doubt this, consider the world-class and Premier-quality-if-n

ot-world-class players our academy has produced who are currently playing - Bale, Walcott, Ox, Dyer, Cranie, the central defender at Newcastle, Bridge, the Irish guy who played in the cup final and went to Fulham, forgotten his name - we produce quality from our academy, and in my mind it's stupid to come up with lists of 5 or 6 players who would just clog up that conveyor belt.

We get the best kids coming here becuase they see a pipe-line to the first team. Let's not spoil that!
Spot on
[quote][p][bold]Tony in Liberia[/bold] wrote: Most teams buy in quality, international players to fulfill their short-term needs. I don't think we should. I think the academy players coming through will provide the cover. Those who doubt this, consider the world-class and Premier-quality-if-n ot-world-class players our academy has produced who are currently playing - Bale, Walcott, Ox, Dyer, Cranie, the central defender at Newcastle, Bridge, the Irish guy who played in the cup final and went to Fulham, forgotten his name - we produce quality from our academy, and in my mind it's stupid to come up with lists of 5 or 6 players who would just clog up that conveyor belt. We get the best kids coming here becuase they see a pipe-line to the first team. Let's not spoil that![/p][/quote]Spot on Baddesley Bill

10:11pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Santa Retfordia says...

Tony in Liberia wrote:
Most teams buy in quality, international players to fulfill their short-term needs. I don't think we should. I think the academy players coming through will provide the cover. Those who doubt this, consider the world-class and Premier-quality-if-n ot-world-class players our academy has produced who are currently playing - Bale, Walcott, Ox, Dyer, Cranie, the central defender at Newcastle, Bridge, the Irish guy who played in the cup final and went to Fulham, forgotten his name - we produce quality from our academy, and in my mind it's stupid to come up with lists of 5 or 6 players who would just clog up that conveyor belt. We get the best kids coming here becuase they see a pipe-line to the first team. Let's not spoil that!
Word. Remember how some on here ran around sh1tting themselves because we didn't sign Alexander Buttner (sp?) and they didn't know how we'd cope at left back? Little did they know we had a young lad called Luke Shaw who hasn't done too badly and is now worth about £20m more than Buttner.

Similarly, those crying out for a forward need to remember Sam Gallagher looks none too shabby.

It's fun to play the rumour mill but I take a million times more pride in us giving youth a chance and youth delivering. A bit of continental razzmatazz helps, of course, but why not wait for the world cup when we can all play the transfer target game from our own armchairs?
[quote][p][bold]Tony in Liberia[/bold] wrote: Most teams buy in quality, international players to fulfill their short-term needs. I don't think we should. I think the academy players coming through will provide the cover. Those who doubt this, consider the world-class and Premier-quality-if-n ot-world-class players our academy has produced who are currently playing - Bale, Walcott, Ox, Dyer, Cranie, the central defender at Newcastle, Bridge, the Irish guy who played in the cup final and went to Fulham, forgotten his name - we produce quality from our academy, and in my mind it's stupid to come up with lists of 5 or 6 players who would just clog up that conveyor belt. We get the best kids coming here becuase they see a pipe-line to the first team. Let's not spoil that![/p][/quote]Word. Remember how some on here ran around sh1tting themselves because we didn't sign Alexander Buttner (sp?) and they didn't know how we'd cope at left back? Little did they know we had a young lad called Luke Shaw who hasn't done too badly and is now worth about £20m more than Buttner. Similarly, those crying out for a forward need to remember Sam Gallagher looks none too shabby. It's fun to play the rumour mill but I take a million times more pride in us giving youth a chance and youth delivering. A bit of continental razzmatazz helps, of course, but why not wait for the world cup when we can all play the transfer target game from our own armchairs? Santa Retfordia

10:15pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Santa Retfordia says...

swesaint wrote:
m8ttwindsor wrote:
St Retford wrote:
I'm not convinced we need to strengthen at all.
Really? we lose one GK & def and concede 8 in 5. more than weve conceded all year. Weve only scored 20 Goals this season, thats manipulated by the 4-1 we beat hull. 16 goals in 15 games is not top 8 material, barely top 10.

No replacement for Boruc
No replacement for Fonte/Lovren
No replacement for Shaw
No replacement for Wanyama
No replacement for Lallana.
No replacement for Rodriguez

There is alot to strengthen.
Problem with people like you is that you think we are in a position to have replacements as good as the starters as squad players. It does not happen. I think we have done ok with the injuries. Just unlucky to get 5 or 6 at the same time and 2 keepers.
Indeed. And the fact it coincided with our toughest run of games.
[quote][p][bold]swesaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]m8ttwindsor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: I'm not convinced we need to strengthen at all.[/p][/quote]Really? we lose one GK & def and concede 8 in 5. more than weve conceded all year. Weve only scored 20 Goals this season, thats manipulated by the 4-1 we beat hull. 16 goals in 15 games is not top 8 material, barely top 10. No replacement for Boruc No replacement for Fonte/Lovren No replacement for Shaw No replacement for Wanyama No replacement for Lallana. No replacement for Rodriguez There is alot to strengthen.[/p][/quote]Problem with people like you is that you think we are in a position to have replacements as good as the starters as squad players. It does not happen. I think we have done ok with the injuries. Just unlucky to get 5 or 6 at the same time and 2 keepers.[/p][/quote]Indeed. And the fact it coincided with our toughest run of games. Santa Retfordia

10:29pm Tue 17 Dec 13

slugger says...

Answer to the question .......... IMO we need to improve our on-line fans , some of them are shocking !
Answer to the question .......... IMO we need to improve our on-line fans , some of them are shocking ! slugger

10:43pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Velleity says...

NC has publicly stated that he wants the majority of the team to come from the Academy. Can anyone name a single time, ever, when anything that NC has said is a target hasn't happened?

That's why I said above that I don't believe we'll sign anyone this January. Fans need to get used to this; our transfer windows (even the summer ones) may well become events in which we hardly participate. We'll be promoting people from the Academy.

This is only a bad thing if you can't see that we are still improving the team - just in a cheaper, more sustainable and loyalty-building way.

What's more, it'll be a virtuous circle. When your 10yo son is looking for an academy to join, does he join the one where he can get directly into the first team or the one where he'll be held out by incumbents and have to find a starting place in a lower league club? So the academy will end up just getting better and better as we gain and retain better kids.

The future's bright if you're prepared to see that there might be a way other than just splashing cash.
NC has publicly stated that he wants the majority of the team to come from the Academy. Can anyone name a single time, ever, when anything that NC has said is a target hasn't happened? That's why I said above that I don't believe we'll sign anyone this January. Fans need to get used to this; our transfer windows (even the summer ones) may well become events in which we hardly participate. We'll be promoting people from the Academy. This is only a bad thing if you can't see that we are still improving the team - just in a cheaper, more sustainable and loyalty-building way. What's more, it'll be a virtuous circle. When your 10yo son is looking for an academy to join, does he join the one where he can get directly into the first team or the one where he'll be held out by incumbents and have to find a starting place in a lower league club? So the academy will end up just getting better and better as we gain and retain better kids. The future's bright if you're prepared to see that there might be a way other than just splashing cash. Velleity

10:52pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Saint. says...

swesaint wrote:
Saint. wrote:
For me a center back in Lovern quality.

A striker! Though I think Osvaldo is still finding his feet and will come good for Saints, and Rod is going from strength to strength and looking good penetrating defences with ease now, and with Mr reliable Sir Ricky! We really need a striker to scare the pants off defenders and when we are attacking will score goals more regular and quick/instant in the attack!

We have out played so man team this season , that if we had a finisher in Saurez or Ronaldo quality we wold put many a game to bed quicker!

Before the comments, the above I accept is not easy to find unless you pay really silly wages! But truly hope Saints are really looking to find that undiscovered gem out there who scores without thinking so to speak.
Wow, so if we had a Ronaldo or Suarez quality player we would do better? What other gems of information do you sit on?
Wow if only you took time out to actually read, before trying to come out with a quick quo quo!
[quote][p][bold]swesaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint.[/bold] wrote: For me a center back in Lovern quality. A striker! Though I think Osvaldo is still finding his feet and will come good for Saints, and Rod is going from strength to strength and looking good penetrating defences with ease now, and with Mr reliable Sir Ricky! We really need a striker to scare the pants off defenders and when we are attacking will score goals more regular and quick/instant in the attack! We have out played so man team this season , that if we had a finisher in Saurez or Ronaldo quality we wold put many a game to bed quicker! Before the comments, the above I accept is not easy to find unless you pay really silly wages! But truly hope Saints are really looking to find that undiscovered gem out there who scores without thinking so to speak.[/p][/quote]Wow, so if we had a Ronaldo or Suarez quality player we would do better? What other gems of information do you sit on?[/p][/quote]Wow if only you took time out to actually read, before trying to come out with a quick quo quo! Saint.

10:57pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Santa Retfordia says...

slugger wrote:
Answer to the question .......... IMO we need to improve our on-line fans , some of them are shocking !
Indeed! In the none-too-olden days it used to be mainly the Pompey and Cherries (silly name etc) fans who provided the idiocy on here but now there are all manner of Saints fans spouting the most ridiculous opinions. I can't help but think most of them weren't there at, say, Tranmere away and now for the life of them can't understand why we're not buying Messi.

Trust me, people, we are luckier than you'll ever know. This club is going places and is in very, very good hands.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: Answer to the question .......... IMO we need to improve our on-line fans , some of them are shocking ![/p][/quote]Indeed! In the none-too-olden days it used to be mainly the Pompey and Cherries (silly name etc) fans who provided the idiocy on here but now there are all manner of Saints fans spouting the most ridiculous opinions. I can't help but think most of them weren't there at, say, Tranmere away and now for the life of them can't understand why we're not buying Messi. Trust me, people, we are luckier than you'll ever know. This club is going places and is in very, very good hands. Santa Retfordia

11:10pm Tue 17 Dec 13

ghk230473 says...

It's a toughie... I think Ramirez will be gone and a versatile defender will be bought.
It's a toughie... I think Ramirez will be gone and a versatile defender will be bought. ghk230473

11:13pm Tue 17 Dec 13

SouthLondonSaint says...

If it was up to me possibly a CB and a pacy winger. I know it been said a lot by a lot of supporters of a few diffrent clubs but I do like tom ince... But I do hear reports of decent players about to come out of the youth system. Maybe would should wait and see.
If it was up to me possibly a CB and a pacy winger. I know it been said a lot by a lot of supporters of a few diffrent clubs but I do like tom ince... But I do hear reports of decent players about to come out of the youth system. Maybe would should wait and see. SouthLondonSaint

11:31pm Tue 17 Dec 13

circa 66 saint says...

I seem to remember just about a year ago on this forum people slating our £7m flop called J Rod.10/12 months later he's quite a bargain is he not.
Remember we are on a long journey it will take time to achieve our goal the team will evolve we do not need to carry out emergency repairs.
I said last year we need to start a new 5 year plan and we are still on target.

Or we can go out and buy a new team and hope for the best.
I seem to remember just about a year ago on this forum people slating our £7m flop called J Rod.10/12 months later he's quite a bargain is he not. Remember we are on a long journey it will take time to achieve our goal the team will evolve we do not need to carry out emergency repairs. I said last year we need to start a new 5 year plan and we are still on target. Or we can go out and buy a new team and hope for the best. circa 66 saint

11:36pm Tue 17 Dec 13

st1halo says...

westfordUSAsaints wrote:
saint Compo wrote:
westfordUSAsaints wrote:
m8ttwindsor wrote:
Ceaser £2m
Forster £8m
Kaboul £8m
Richards £6m
Astori £8m
Mertens £12m
Tadic £8m
Atsu ON A FREE
De Bruyne SEASON LOAN

Beneteke will be under £10m by the end of the season....

For a team wanting europe consistantly (from the board, players & manager that is) these are the types of players we need.
That is one large shopping list, and one very large salary bill!!! Why would we waste all that money, erh, SPURS!!!!

I doubt anyone will be brought it. No team can have like for like replacements in the squad, that's when you get discontent and bigger named stars start moaning.

I'm happy with them blooding more of the youngsters to put added pressure on what we have now stepping it up, clearly they are doing that.

As far as the goals conceded.

The Arsenal goals were Boruc being a twit, and Jose being pulled up for shirt tugging and a pen. Unlucky.

We got undone by Chelsea, and then Villa was just one of those games. We can't expect to keep clean sheets every week.

Gazza is good coverage for Boruc, he will get better.

A CB would be good, but I can't see MP getting someone else in Jan.

Midfield is OK, Gaston might be shipped out if the offer is right, but with Vic out, I suspect he will be kept around until the end of the year as coverage, then given another pre-season to buck his ideas up, again, he is still young.

We don't need a new striker this season. Dani is finding his feet in the PL, I think he will come good.

Top 8 would be a great second year back, remember 2ND YEAR BACK!

It's too soon to be going after Europe, we need a bigger squad to take that one.

We wait until after the WC, pick off 3 new additions in the summer, and we go again. Steadily building this squad to consistently take on the top 6.
Wait until after the WC. That's cr*p!
Really, crap? Let's see, we want top players, most of who are probably playing in the WC. Don't you think their clubs, agents, etc would be waiting until it's over to get the best deal possible.

We saw this last season, with Euro '12, virtually no team got going until after that was over.

I seriously doubt anyone will show up until after pre-season gets under way, which I think is early July, right when the WC ends!

bosh!
Whoooosh!
I think he was joking.... WC... cr@p!
[quote][p][bold]westfordUSAsaints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint Compo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]westfordUSAsaints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]m8ttwindsor[/bold] wrote: Ceaser £2m Forster £8m Kaboul £8m Richards £6m Astori £8m Mertens £12m Tadic £8m Atsu ON A FREE De Bruyne SEASON LOAN Beneteke will be under £10m by the end of the season.... For a team wanting europe consistantly (from the board, players & manager that is) these are the types of players we need.[/p][/quote]That is one large shopping list, and one very large salary bill!!! Why would we waste all that money, erh, SPURS!!!! I doubt anyone will be brought it. No team can have like for like replacements in the squad, that's when you get discontent and bigger named stars start moaning. I'm happy with them blooding more of the youngsters to put added pressure on what we have now stepping it up, clearly they are doing that. As far as the goals conceded. The Arsenal goals were Boruc being a twit, and Jose being pulled up for shirt tugging and a pen. Unlucky. We got undone by Chelsea, and then Villa was just one of those games. We can't expect to keep clean sheets every week. Gazza is good coverage for Boruc, he will get better. A CB would be good, but I can't see MP getting someone else in Jan. Midfield is OK, Gaston might be shipped out if the offer is right, but with Vic out, I suspect he will be kept around until the end of the year as coverage, then given another pre-season to buck his ideas up, again, he is still young. We don't need a new striker this season. Dani is finding his feet in the PL, I think he will come good. Top 8 would be a great second year back, remember 2ND YEAR BACK! It's too soon to be going after Europe, we need a bigger squad to take that one. We wait until after the WC, pick off 3 new additions in the summer, and we go again. Steadily building this squad to consistently take on the top 6.[/p][/quote]Wait until after the WC. That's cr*p![/p][/quote]Really, crap? Let's see, we want top players, most of who are probably playing in the WC. Don't you think their clubs, agents, etc would be waiting until it's over to get the best deal possible. We saw this last season, with Euro '12, virtually no team got going until after that was over. I seriously doubt anyone will show up until after pre-season gets under way, which I think is early July, right when the WC ends! bosh![/p][/quote]Whoooosh! I think he was joking.... WC... cr@p! st1halo

6:28am Wed 18 Dec 13

Dubai-saints89 says...

firstly, lets get rid of all the dead weight. Ramirez,Lee,Barnard can all go.

a CB would be the first choice, maybe a player like Curtis Davies? good and cheap, scores goals as well. or that Astori player from Italy. whats happening with him?

im still not convinced about Osvaldo. i know its still early days but i got a small gut feeling he could end up like another Ramirez. waste of space. so maybe we bring in 1 more striker, preferably someone whose played in the prem before, Defoe, Hernandez, Demba Ba. thats should put the pressure on Rickie and dani to preform
firstly, lets get rid of all the dead weight. Ramirez,Lee,Barnard can all go. a CB would be the first choice, maybe a player like Curtis Davies? good and cheap, scores goals as well. or that Astori player from Italy. whats happening with him? im still not convinced about Osvaldo. i know its still early days but i got a small gut feeling he could end up like another Ramirez. waste of space. so maybe we bring in 1 more striker, preferably someone whose played in the prem before, Defoe, Hernandez, Demba Ba. thats should put the pressure on Rickie and dani to preform Dubai-saints89

7:24am Wed 18 Dec 13

Malcombe says...

Most of the regulars on this thread of the DE seem to agree where Saints need to strengthen but I wonder if Poch has Players in mind that are possibly ready to step up, my Mate watched the under 18s against Portsmouth which he described as a cracking game said there are young Players champing at the bit, Josh Sims is quick and brave (the Winger suggested on here) Gallagher the hat trick hero Striker and a couple of others, he thought the Keeper Wills is it? although he didn't have a lot to do but looked very confident, there does seem to be an abundance of young Talent at this moment at Southampton and everyone knows if any of them are ready or on the fringe for the next level Poch will have them in the the first Team and start them or on the Bench, there is a very exciting time going on at Southampton and all the Supporters are waiting in anticipation
Most of the regulars on this thread of the DE seem to agree where Saints need to strengthen but I wonder if Poch has Players in mind that are possibly ready to step up, my Mate watched the under 18s against Portsmouth which he described as a cracking game said there are young Players champing at the bit, Josh Sims is quick and brave (the Winger suggested on here) Gallagher the hat trick hero Striker and a couple of others, he thought the Keeper Wills is it? although he didn't have a lot to do but looked very confident, there does seem to be an abundance of young Talent at this moment at Southampton and everyone knows if any of them are ready or on the fringe for the next level Poch will have them in the the first Team and start them or on the Bench, there is a very exciting time going on at Southampton and all the Supporters are waiting in anticipation Malcombe

9:25am Wed 18 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

slugger wrote:
Answer to the question .......... IMO we need to improve our on-line fans , some of them are shocking !
.. ans some of us are just boring, I know my place.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: Answer to the question .......... IMO we need to improve our on-line fans , some of them are shocking ![/p][/quote].. ans some of us are just boring, I know my place. OSPREYSAINT

9:31am Wed 18 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
slugger wrote:
Answer to the question .......... IMO we need to improve our on-line fans , some of them are shocking !
.. ans some of us are just boring, I know my place.
ans? .. and some can't spell for toffees.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: Answer to the question .......... IMO we need to improve our on-line fans , some of them are shocking ![/p][/quote].. ans some of us are just boring, I know my place.[/p][/quote]ans? .. and some can't spell for toffees. OSPREYSAINT

9:45am Wed 18 Dec 13

Clever Dick says...

Dubai-saints89 wrote:
firstly, lets get rid of all the dead weight. Ramirez,Lee,Barnard can all go.

a CB would be the first choice, maybe a player like Curtis Davies? good and cheap, scores goals as well. or that Astori player from Italy. whats happening with him?

im still not convinced about Osvaldo. i know its still early days but i got a small gut feeling he could end up like another Ramirez. waste of space. so maybe we bring in 1 more striker, preferably someone whose played in the prem before, Defoe, Hernandez, Demba Ba. thats should put the pressure on Rickie and dani to preform
Curtis Davis? Not as good as we already have. Defoe too old, Hernandez and Demba Ba too expensive both in transfer fee and wages. Just my opinion of course but Ramirez doesn't seem to be working out, so sell him on and get in a flying wide man who can score and cross and get to the bye line. Sinclair?
[quote][p][bold]Dubai-saints89[/bold] wrote: firstly, lets get rid of all the dead weight. Ramirez,Lee,Barnard can all go. a CB would be the first choice, maybe a player like Curtis Davies? good and cheap, scores goals as well. or that Astori player from Italy. whats happening with him? im still not convinced about Osvaldo. i know its still early days but i got a small gut feeling he could end up like another Ramirez. waste of space. so maybe we bring in 1 more striker, preferably someone whose played in the prem before, Defoe, Hernandez, Demba Ba. thats should put the pressure on Rickie and dani to preform[/p][/quote]Curtis Davis? Not as good as we already have. Defoe too old, Hernandez and Demba Ba too expensive both in transfer fee and wages. Just my opinion of course but Ramirez doesn't seem to be working out, so sell him on and get in a flying wide man who can score and cross and get to the bye line. Sinclair? Clever Dick

11:05am Wed 18 Dec 13

SO50 Saint says...

Wow some of the stuff on here is amazing you would think we need a new squad from what some people are saying. At the moment I think we are 9th and I'm pleased with that it's an improvement on last season and when you look at before the injuries and our tough run of fixtures we were in the Champions League places. I personally feel its more the squad that needs to be improved rather than the 1st team. A new striker would be excellent but i'm still in the Osvaldo will come good camp.
Wow some of the stuff on here is amazing you would think we need a new squad from what some people are saying. At the moment I think we are 9th and I'm pleased with that it's an improvement on last season and when you look at before the injuries and our tough run of fixtures we were in the Champions League places. I personally feel its more the squad that needs to be improved rather than the 1st team. A new striker would be excellent but i'm still in the Osvaldo will come good camp. SO50 Saint

11:16am Wed 18 Dec 13

bathsaints says...

As many have already said we aren't far off having a great young squad that will only get better. I do think that holding on to our best players will be a priority and a continued investment in the youth set-up and giving these players time. That said we do need another quality keeper and a centre back in the Lovren mode - in my opinion - maybe a couple of loan deals with a view to permanent in summer if they work out. Someone like Micah Richards who is great at centre back but can also play on the right would be a good addition and with something to prove in a world cup year. Vermalen at Arsenal also probably is looking for game time. As has already been said, whoever comes in (if anyone) they need to be willing to put a shift in, press, chase and get the ball down and play. It's been a good season and long may it continue....now lets stuff the spurs on sunday for a happy christmas!
As many have already said we aren't far off having a great young squad that will only get better. I do think that holding on to our best players will be a priority and a continued investment in the youth set-up and giving these players time. That said we do need another quality keeper and a centre back in the Lovren mode - in my opinion - maybe a couple of loan deals with a view to permanent in summer if they work out. Someone like Micah Richards who is great at centre back but can also play on the right would be a good addition and with something to prove in a world cup year. Vermalen at Arsenal also probably is looking for game time. As has already been said, whoever comes in (if anyone) they need to be willing to put a shift in, press, chase and get the ball down and play. It's been a good season and long may it continue....now lets stuff the spurs on sunday for a happy christmas! bathsaints

11:16am Wed 18 Dec 13

Churchill Saint says...

I don't expect many signings in Jan. The strategy is clearly one of trying to fill the gaps with academy players and this is working well. For example, Callum Chambers has done a great job covering for Clyne and Clyne will have to fight for his place when he recovers - this is all good. My concern is lack of cover for Lovren/Fonte, as Yosh and Jos are too slow and error prone. I think if there was anyone in the academy able to step up to the mark in this position we would have seen them by now. I just wonder whether Cork could play in this position as I would have thought he has all the right attributes (but what do I know) and we are already well endowed centre midfield. My only other concern is cover for Luke; suggest we go for the best English, young LB in the Championship who will fit the Southampton mould - any suggestions on who that player is?
Otherwise I think the squad is fine and I am sure there are some more nuggets coming through the academy before the season end and Mayuka back next season. I don't think we should get rid of Gaston or Guly and talk of shipping out Oswaldo is very naive.
The only other bit of business NC needs to do is to secure MoPo on a longterm contract.
I don't expect many signings in Jan. The strategy is clearly one of trying to fill the gaps with academy players and this is working well. For example, Callum Chambers has done a great job covering for Clyne and Clyne will have to fight for his place when he recovers - this is all good. My concern is lack of cover for Lovren/Fonte, as Yosh and Jos are too slow and error prone. I think if there was anyone in the academy able to step up to the mark in this position we would have seen them by now. I just wonder whether Cork could play in this position as I would have thought he has all the right attributes (but what do I know) and we are already well endowed centre midfield. My only other concern is cover for Luke; suggest we go for the best English, young LB in the Championship who will fit the Southampton mould - any suggestions on who that player is? Otherwise I think the squad is fine and I am sure there are some more nuggets coming through the academy before the season end and Mayuka back next season. I don't think we should get rid of Gaston or Guly and talk of shipping out Oswaldo is very naive. The only other bit of business NC needs to do is to secure MoPo on a longterm contract. Churchill Saint

11:46am Wed 18 Dec 13

Dubai-saints89 says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Dubai-saints89 wrote:
firstly, lets get rid of all the dead weight. Ramirez,Lee,Barnard can all go.

a CB would be the first choice, maybe a player like Curtis Davies? good and cheap, scores goals as well. or that Astori player from Italy. whats happening with him?

im still not convinced about Osvaldo. i know its still early days but i got a small gut feeling he could end up like another Ramirez. waste of space. so maybe we bring in 1 more striker, preferably someone whose played in the prem before, Defoe, Hernandez, Demba Ba. thats should put the pressure on Rickie and dani to preform
Curtis Davis? Not as good as we already have. Defoe too old, Hernandez and Demba Ba too expensive both in transfer fee and wages. Just my opinion of course but Ramirez doesn't seem to be working out, so sell him on and get in a flying wide man who can score and cross and get to the bye line. Sinclair?
isn't Sinclair at west brom? raheem sterling or wilfred zaha would be my choice for a wide man
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dubai-saints89[/bold] wrote: firstly, lets get rid of all the dead weight. Ramirez,Lee,Barnard can all go. a CB would be the first choice, maybe a player like Curtis Davies? good and cheap, scores goals as well. or that Astori player from Italy. whats happening with him? im still not convinced about Osvaldo. i know its still early days but i got a small gut feeling he could end up like another Ramirez. waste of space. so maybe we bring in 1 more striker, preferably someone whose played in the prem before, Defoe, Hernandez, Demba Ba. thats should put the pressure on Rickie and dani to preform[/p][/quote]Curtis Davis? Not as good as we already have. Defoe too old, Hernandez and Demba Ba too expensive both in transfer fee and wages. Just my opinion of course but Ramirez doesn't seem to be working out, so sell him on and get in a flying wide man who can score and cross and get to the bye line. Sinclair?[/p][/quote]isn't Sinclair at west brom? raheem sterling or wilfred zaha would be my choice for a wide man Dubai-saints89

12:30pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Chriops says...

Malcombe wrote:
Most of the regulars on this thread of the DE seem to agree where Saints need to strengthen but I wonder if Poch has Players in mind that are possibly ready to step up, my Mate watched the under 18s against Portsmouth which he described as a cracking game said there are young Players champing at the bit, Josh Sims is quick and brave (the Winger suggested on here) Gallagher the hat trick hero Striker and a couple of others, he thought the Keeper Wills is it? although he didn't have a lot to do but looked very confident, there does seem to be an abundance of young Talent at this moment at Southampton and everyone knows if any of them are ready or on the fringe for the next level Poch will have them in the the first Team and start them or on the Bench, there is a very exciting time going on at Southampton and all the Supporters are waiting in anticipation
I was at the Pompey game too, and yes Josh Simms had a cracking game. The lad is only 16 though, so we'll have a little time to wait before he comes through. The Keeper was Harry Isted - brother of Llyod I believe. Jake Hesketh looked very good too, and did Josh Debayo at Centre Back, who we recently pinched from Chelski.
[quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: Most of the regulars on this thread of the DE seem to agree where Saints need to strengthen but I wonder if Poch has Players in mind that are possibly ready to step up, my Mate watched the under 18s against Portsmouth which he described as a cracking game said there are young Players champing at the bit, Josh Sims is quick and brave (the Winger suggested on here) Gallagher the hat trick hero Striker and a couple of others, he thought the Keeper Wills is it? although he didn't have a lot to do but looked very confident, there does seem to be an abundance of young Talent at this moment at Southampton and everyone knows if any of them are ready or on the fringe for the next level Poch will have them in the the first Team and start them or on the Bench, there is a very exciting time going on at Southampton and all the Supporters are waiting in anticipation[/p][/quote]I was at the Pompey game too, and yes Josh Simms had a cracking game. The lad is only 16 though, so we'll have a little time to wait before he comes through. The Keeper was Harry Isted - brother of Llyod I believe. Jake Hesketh looked very good too, and did Josh Debayo at Centre Back, who we recently pinched from Chelski. Chriops

1:34pm Wed 18 Dec 13

SaintJD says...

swesaint wrote:
m8ttwindsor wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
m8ttwindsor wrote: Hasty? He had one great season at Espanyol, before that he'd scored 28 goals in 106 appearances. At Roma he scored 27 in TWO SEASONS, equavalant to (in the last 3 years of the premier league)..... DJ CAMPBELL, ANDY CARROLL, MALOUDA, PAPISS CISSE, (you can have balottelli). Do I need to mention that Lambert scored 15 last season.....Even Grant Holt got 14 the season before. For £15 million plus the ridiculous fees and add ons I want someone a hell of alot better with a much better goalscoring record.
Wouldn't we all, but i don't see it happening, they are rarer than hens teeth and those that have them aren't going to let them go in a hurry.
Pessimist! :P

For £15 million we could of have......

Benteke
Ba (LOAN)
JOVETIC (LOAN)
Oscar Cardoza
Helmes
Ben Yedder
Volland

But because none of these were FRIENDS with Pochettino they got overlooked :p
It had more to do with our wage structure
... and the fact that we are progressive, not stupid or short sighted.

In my opinion we have no right to ask Nicola to dig into his pockets again this window - his investment has been exceptional, and not just on transfers.

Swesaint, that post you made about lack of cover might be true from one perspective but our structure is about bringing players through and we should see injuries as an opportunity for younger players.

Chambers, Cork, JWP are all benefitting, as did J-Rod last season and I think Gazza is too. What's the point of having a young keeper sat on your bench for two seasons and then, when he gets a chance to build experience, bringing in an old bloke on loan. If he's not good enough, get a long term replacement, but I think he just needs time and games, which is what he's getting.

Of course if Nicola really is thinking top four then you can say we need to strengthen our squad in all areas, but that's for him to decide - I don't think we have a right to moan because our squad is amazing when compared to previous Saints teams of the last 20 or 30 years. Personally I'm happy that we are over achieving both in position and style of play based on realistic progression from last season.

As long as we keep MP and don't lose any young players this window I'm happy.

Great piece on BBC website:
http://www.bbc.com/s
port/0/football/2542
0261
[quote][p][bold]swesaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]m8ttwindsor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]m8ttwindsor[/bold] wrote: Hasty? He had one great season at Espanyol, before that he'd scored 28 goals in 106 appearances. At Roma he scored 27 in TWO SEASONS, equavalant to (in the last 3 years of the premier league)..... DJ CAMPBELL, ANDY CARROLL, MALOUDA, PAPISS CISSE, (you can have balottelli). Do I need to mention that Lambert scored 15 last season.....Even Grant Holt got 14 the season before. For £15 million plus the ridiculous fees and add ons I want someone a hell of alot better with a much better goalscoring record.[/p][/quote]Wouldn't we all, but i don't see it happening, they are rarer than hens teeth and those that have them aren't going to let them go in a hurry.[/p][/quote]Pessimist! :P For £15 million we could of have...... Benteke Ba (LOAN) JOVETIC (LOAN) Oscar Cardoza Helmes Ben Yedder Volland But because none of these were FRIENDS with Pochettino they got overlooked :p[/p][/quote]It had more to do with our wage structure[/p][/quote]... and the fact that we are progressive, not stupid or short sighted. In my opinion we have no right to ask Nicola to dig into his pockets again this window - his investment has been exceptional, and not just on transfers. Swesaint, that post you made about lack of cover might be true from one perspective but our structure is about bringing players through and we should see injuries as an opportunity for younger players. Chambers, Cork, JWP are all benefitting, as did J-Rod last season and I think Gazza is too. What's the point of having a young keeper sat on your bench for two seasons and then, when he gets a chance to build experience, bringing in an old bloke on loan. If he's not good enough, get a long term replacement, but I think he just needs time and games, which is what he's getting. Of course if Nicola really is thinking top four then you can say we need to strengthen our squad in all areas, but that's for him to decide - I don't think we have a right to moan because our squad is amazing when compared to previous Saints teams of the last 20 or 30 years. Personally I'm happy that we are over achieving both in position and style of play based on realistic progression from last season. As long as we keep MP and don't lose any young players this window I'm happy. Great piece on BBC website: http://www.bbc.com/s port/0/football/2542 0261 SaintJD

1:47pm Wed 18 Dec 13

SaintJD says...

OK, so next summer, if Chelsea were up for a swap of Luke Shaw or Clyne plus £10 million for Lukaku would we be up for it? And the £10 million part is slightly negotiable :) £7M maybe?
OK, so next summer, if Chelsea were up for a swap of Luke Shaw or Clyne plus £10 million for Lukaku would we be up for it? And the £10 million part is slightly negotiable :) £7M maybe? SaintJD

2:29pm Wed 18 Dec 13

george chivers says...

Has anybody thought about Man U bidding for Adam and Luke in January to boost their chances of making 4th spot in the league? Would we accept a massive panic bid?
Has anybody thought about Man U bidding for Adam and Luke in January to boost their chances of making 4th spot in the league? Would we accept a massive panic bid? george chivers

3:03pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Saints2010 says...

I'm not too worried really.

The team is looking good. The midfield is very good in the middle, though we do miss a bit when Lallana's missing as we saw against Newcastle. The only change I could see here would be Gaston out. Doubt we'd sign someone here in Jan.

Upfront I'm not worried either. Osvaldo haven't reached the form that we (and he) expects but he's getting there, just look back at the Man City goal. We do miss a bit of clinical finishing, but yet again I don't think it's a problem that needs or will be sorted by a January signing.

Goalkeeping wise it isn't as bad as some fans on here fear. Sure Boruc made a few mistakes that cost us points before getting injured. But if you think back to the start of the season who here would have though we urgently needed a keeper?! He hasn't changed over night and once he's back I'm sure the King Arthur of old will be back. We do lack cover, sure. But Gazza's a young keeper and being a goalkeeper isn't the easiest position for a young keeper. You don't get a 10 minute run out at the end of a few games to get blooded in. You're strait in the starting XI when the n.1 is out and it can be tough. It hasn't been the most composed performance by him so far, but he's looking more comfortable. Give the boy some time. But a signing isn't necessary... yet.

As for defense on the wings we are fine. Brilliant starters, brilliant cover (if you put Target ahead of Fox at LB). Our only real problem is CB. Lovren is brilliant. But we're lacking the same sort of quality to partner him. Fonte's had a great season so far, but if you take him out the cover isn't up to it. If we are to sign someone in Jan let it be a top quality CB to play along side Lovren with Fonte as cover.

And to continue what some of the comments have been saying, we've got shedloads of young talents coming up though the ranks and they'll slowly get their place in the team.

We're hardly in a place where we need to panic buy. We've been in a bit of rut since the Arsenal game (though we have just kind of played some of the best sides in the division: Arse, Chelsea, City and Newcastle who've been in great form and had an unusual number of injuries to key players, losing our n.1 keeper, n.2 CB, n.1/2 RB, n.1 & 2 CMs at the same time). Looking at the table where we are, still in touching distance of the top 5, and with a solid cushion between us and the low ends of the table I'm not worried.

We're heading in the right direction. We've got a good starting XI, a good squad and good youth players coming up. A couple of decent signings here and there, especially if some players don't show signs of improvement as the season goes on (Osvaldo, GKs...), and we'll be good to move on to an even better place next season.

But the Jan window isn't really the moment of that. It's too early to judge some of the players and players miss are always a bit out of sync. So get a good CB if there's one out there, maybe one other player if a really brilliant one becomes available and maybe sell one or two of the players who won't make it on now.

As for the rest, just sit tight, watch us climb the table playing fantastic football and wait for the next transfer window to start this debate all over again.

COYR
I'm not too worried really. The team is looking good. The midfield is very good in the middle, though we do miss a bit when Lallana's missing as we saw against Newcastle. The only change I could see here would be Gaston out. Doubt we'd sign someone here in Jan. Upfront I'm not worried either. Osvaldo haven't reached the form that we (and he) expects but he's getting there, just look back at the Man City goal. We do miss a bit of clinical finishing, but yet again I don't think it's a problem that needs or will be sorted by a January signing. Goalkeeping wise it isn't as bad as some fans on here fear. Sure Boruc made a few mistakes that cost us points before getting injured. But if you think back to the start of the season who here would have though we urgently needed a keeper?! He hasn't changed over night and once he's back I'm sure the King Arthur of old will be back. We do lack cover, sure. But Gazza's a young keeper and being a goalkeeper isn't the easiest position for a young keeper. You don't get a 10 minute run out at the end of a few games to get blooded in. You're strait in the starting XI when the n.1 is out and it can be tough. It hasn't been the most composed performance by him so far, but he's looking more comfortable. Give the boy some time. But a signing isn't necessary... yet. As for defense on the wings we are fine. Brilliant starters, brilliant cover (if you put Target ahead of Fox at LB). Our only real problem is CB. Lovren is brilliant. But we're lacking the same sort of quality to partner him. Fonte's had a great season so far, but if you take him out the cover isn't up to it. If we are to sign someone in Jan let it be a top quality CB to play along side Lovren with Fonte as cover. And to continue what some of the comments have been saying, we've got shedloads of young talents coming up though the ranks and they'll slowly get their place in the team. We're hardly in a place where we need to panic buy. We've been in a bit of rut since the Arsenal game (though we have just kind of played some of the best sides in the division: Arse, Chelsea, City and Newcastle who've been in great form and had an unusual number of injuries to key players, losing our n.1 keeper, n.2 CB, n.1/2 RB, n.1 & 2 CMs at the same time). Looking at the table where we are, still in touching distance of the top 5, and with a solid cushion between us and the low ends of the table I'm not worried. We're heading in the right direction. We've got a good starting XI, a good squad and good youth players coming up. A couple of decent signings here and there, especially if some players don't show signs of improvement as the season goes on (Osvaldo, GKs...), and we'll be good to move on to an even better place next season. But the Jan window isn't really the moment of that. It's too early to judge some of the players and players miss are always a bit out of sync. So get a good CB if there's one out there, maybe one other player if a really brilliant one becomes available and maybe sell one or two of the players who won't make it on now. As for the rest, just sit tight, watch us climb the table playing fantastic football and wait for the next transfer window to start this debate all over again. COYR Saints2010

3:47pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Beer Monster says...

Tony in Liberia wrote:
Most teams buy in quality, international players to fulfill their short-term needs. I don't think we should. I think the academy players coming through will provide the cover.

Those who doubt this, consider the world-class and Premier-quality-if-n

ot-world-class players our academy has produced who are currently playing - Bale, Walcott, Ox, Dyer, Cranie, the central defender at Newcastle, Bridge, the Irish guy who played in the cup final and went to Fulham, forgotten his name - we produce quality from our academy, and in my mind it's stupid to come up with lists of 5 or 6 players who would just clog up that conveyor belt.

We get the best kids coming here becuase they see a pipe-line to the first team. Let's not spoil that!
You mean our MOTM for the final, Chris Baird? He's gone to Reading... hopefully they'll extend his contract so he come back up with Sir Nige
[quote][p][bold]Tony in Liberia[/bold] wrote: Most teams buy in quality, international players to fulfill their short-term needs. I don't think we should. I think the academy players coming through will provide the cover. Those who doubt this, consider the world-class and Premier-quality-if-n ot-world-class players our academy has produced who are currently playing - Bale, Walcott, Ox, Dyer, Cranie, the central defender at Newcastle, Bridge, the Irish guy who played in the cup final and went to Fulham, forgotten his name - we produce quality from our academy, and in my mind it's stupid to come up with lists of 5 or 6 players who would just clog up that conveyor belt. We get the best kids coming here becuase they see a pipe-line to the first team. Let's not spoil that![/p][/quote]You mean our MOTM for the final, Chris Baird? He's gone to Reading... hopefully they'll extend his contract so he come back up with Sir Nige Beer Monster

4:41pm Wed 18 Dec 13

SaintJD says...

george chivers wrote:
Has anybody thought about Man U bidding for Adam and Luke in January to boost their chances of making 4th spot in the league? Would we accept a massive panic bid?
No way. Cortese could quite validly say that we are a better option for those players right now and I'm not sure it is quite as attractive as it once was.

Cortese's plan for us to compete at the very top is based on him seeing us compete with and pass the 'top teams' so I think that deal would be over his dead body.

At the moment I don't see many players, bar the foreign big money signings, angling for moves. But when we do start getting the inevitable bids for our youngsters I think we will really see if Saints ambitions are genuine, which I think they are.

While I think Nicola's relationship with the players is so good that I don't think he'll hold them back if they are desperate to leave I can only see players being allowed to leave it is totally on our terms.

So as mentioned in an earlier post, if Chelsea want Shaw they will have to give us a player of exceptional quality in return, and I'm talking in the Mata/Lukaku/Debryne/
Ramirez range, or Bertrand with a very sizable amount of cash.

It does crack me up sometimes how people in football seem to develop one-track minds on who is good and who isn't. We seemed obsessed with Ramirez and Osvaldo, while everything is Luke Shaw at the moment and everyone ignores Clyne and particularly JWP. I know it's all about potential, but if I was looking for the more complete full back for attacking and defending I'd go with Clyne at this present moment.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Has anybody thought about Man U bidding for Adam and Luke in January to boost their chances of making 4th spot in the league? Would we accept a massive panic bid?[/p][/quote]No way. Cortese could quite validly say that we are a better option for those players right now and I'm not sure it is quite as attractive as it once was. Cortese's plan for us to compete at the very top is based on him seeing us compete with and pass the 'top teams' so I think that deal would be over his dead body. At the moment I don't see many players, bar the foreign big money signings, angling for moves. But when we do start getting the inevitable bids for our youngsters I think we will really see if Saints ambitions are genuine, which I think they are. While I think Nicola's relationship with the players is so good that I don't think he'll hold them back if they are desperate to leave I can only see players being allowed to leave it is totally on our terms. So as mentioned in an earlier post, if Chelsea want Shaw they will have to give us a player of exceptional quality in return, and I'm talking in the Mata/Lukaku/Debryne/ Ramirez range, or Bertrand with a very sizable amount of cash. It does crack me up sometimes how people in football seem to develop one-track minds on who is good and who isn't. We seemed obsessed with Ramirez and Osvaldo, while everything is Luke Shaw at the moment and everyone ignores Clyne and particularly JWP. I know it's all about potential, but if I was looking for the more complete full back for attacking and defending I'd go with Clyne at this present moment. SaintJD

2:55am Thu 19 Dec 13

TIL 7468 says...

Lets go and get Joe Hart :)
Lets go and get Joe Hart :) TIL 7468

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