Rodriguez earns Saints point at Newcastle

Basingstoke Gazette: Rodriguez earns Saints point at Newcastle Rodriguez earns Saints point at Newcastle

Jay Rodriguez scored his sixth goal of the season to rescue a point for Saints against former manager Alan Pardew at Newcastle.

Rodriguez struck in a second half at St James’ Park which had seen the introduction of Adam Lallana and Morgan Schneidelrin form the bench.

Saints were lucky only to one Yoan Gouffran goal behind at the break but were far better in the second period.

The only thing that somewhat overshadowed the game was a late melee involving staff from both benches which required the intervention of stewards to break up.

Newcastle went into the game in good form and brimming with confidence after last weekend's victory at Manchester United, their first at Old Trafford since 1972.

By contrast, Southampton arrived on Tyneside having taken only one point from their last four, although able to plead mitigation with Arsenal, Chelsea, Aston Villa and Manchester City their most recent opponents.

Pardew was in no danger of underestimating the visitors, with whom he spent just over a year immediately before his appointment at St James' Park, and the first half proved a tight affair.

Southampton, despite being depleted by injury, worked hard to deny their hosts space, but ineffectively at times as the Magpies broke at pace to threaten repeatedly.

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Basingstoke Gazette:

Indeed, Newcastle forced three corners within the first five minutes with Mathieu Debuchy volleying just wide from the last of them after it was played out to him on the edge of the box by Vurnon Anita.

Anita had been handed the task of filling the boots of the suspended Yohan Cabaye, a big ask by anyone's standards, although with Moussa Sissoko a willing forward runner and Cheick Tiote snapping into tackles once again, Pardew's men enjoyed the better of the first half.

They should have gone ahead with 12 minutes gone when Shola Ameobi chased down Debuchy's ball over the top and squared for Gouffran to beat goalkeeper Paulo Gazzaniga to his cross.

The Frenchman selflessly picked out compatriot Remy to hand him a glorious opportunity to end his three-game wait for a goal, but his side-footed effort was cleared off the line by vigilant defender Calum Chambers.

Southampton gradually worked their way into the game, but with Jack Cork sitting deep in central midfield, their main supply lines came from full-backs Chambers and Luke Shaw.

James Ward-Prowse curled a 16th-minute effort into Tim Krul's midriff, but the traffic was largely in the opposite direction, and that was made to tell with 28 minutes played.

Debuchy's deep free-kick was headed down by central defender Mike Williamson and as the Saints defence slept, Gouffran pounced to go around Gazzaniga and roll the ball into the empty net.

Rickie Lambert blazed a 40th-minute effort across the face of goal from a narrow angle, and Anita jinked his way into the Southampton penalty area seconds later, but failed to pick out a black and white short with the visitors in disarray.

Mauricio Pochettino made a double change at the break, replacing midfielder Ward-Prowse and striker Pablo Osvaldo with Morgan Schneiderlin and Lallana, and Southampton immediately had a better balance.

Lallana's arrival gave Lambert a new lease of life as Newcastle were forced back into their own half, although the home side continued to threaten when they were in possession with Remy testing Gazzaniga from long distance with 55 minutes played.

The same man saw a speculative strike blocked by Chambers two minutes later and Ameobi headed wide from the resulting corner, but it was the visitors who were building up a head of steam.

Anita did superbly to intercept Lallana's pull-back after he had been allowed to run from halfway, and Krul was hugely relieved to see Davis' 64th-minute shot come back off the post.

But the respite was fleeting and Southampton got their reward with 25 minutes remaining when Lallana found Rodriguez and he exchanged passes with Davis before firing coolly past Krul.

The Dutchman came to the rescue six minutes later after Rodriguez had bundled a corner towards goal, and opposite number Gazzaniga had his own let-off within seconds when he served the ball up to Remy inside the box, but saw the unmarked striker fire wastefully wide.

Basingstoke Gazette:

Ben Arfa entered the fray with 17 minutes remaining and almost caught Gazzaniga out with a near-post free-kick, but there was no splitting the two sides, and tempers became frayed between the two benches after Schneiderlin's late challenge on Massadio Haidara.

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5:26pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Positively4thStreet says...

We have a SQUAD!!! COYR!!!
We have a SQUAD!!! COYR!!! Positively4thStreet

5:27pm Sat 14 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Hoover took the blame for their goal, but made up for it with his contribution with the equalizer.
Hoover took the blame for their goal, but made up for it with his contribution with the equalizer. OSPREYSAINT

5:42pm Sat 14 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Poch says Spider, Fonte and Lalla all have niggles and couldn't be risked for 90 minutes, hence the tactics.
Poch says Spider, Fonte and Lalla all have niggles and couldn't be risked for 90 minutes, hence the tactics. OSPREYSAINT

5:42pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Costa Baz says...

Can't blame the players for the poor first half performance, as it was a tactical error by MP.

Just glad he had the cojones to correct it 2nd half.
Good point, in the end. Just hope the experiment of playing 2 strikers, now ends.
Every time we have used it, we have been lack lustre, only coming back into the game when going 1up top.
Can't blame the players for the poor first half performance, as it was a tactical error by MP. Just glad he had the cojones to correct it 2nd half. Good point, in the end. Just hope the experiment of playing 2 strikers, now ends. Every time we have used it, we have been lack lustre, only coming back into the game when going 1up top. Costa Baz

5:44pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Norwegian Saint says...

Poor first half but the introduction of Lallana lit our fuse.
The J-Rod goal was, in the words if a BBC commentator, "one of the best counter attacking goals you will see this season)" He should have put us in front before a huge let off for Gazza. Feel sorry for Davis hitting the post.
We have a great team but we need to purchase another keeper, defender and maybe a little bid for Danny Ings?
I'm missing my "hell of a beating" speech!
Poor first half but the introduction of Lallana lit our fuse. The J-Rod goal was, in the words if a BBC commentator, "one of the best counter attacking goals you will see this season)" He should have put us in front before a huge let off for Gazza. Feel sorry for Davis hitting the post. We have a great team but we need to purchase another keeper, defender and maybe a little bid for Danny Ings? I'm missing my "hell of a beating" speech! Norwegian Saint

5:46pm Sat 14 Dec 13

DisplacedFan says...

We deserved at least a point. In the end a fair result. If we were at full strength we would have won.
We deserved at least a point. In the end a fair result. If we were at full strength we would have won. DisplacedFan

6:07pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

Greetings from Germany. Not been able to follow things today but looks like we did okay given the niggles to key players, the usual St James's Park refereeing and the fact that we went behind.

I've now got a 2-hour drive home. By the time I get there, we'll still be 8th, the skunts will still be hovering above the drop zone and the best French player on show at St James's Park today will still have been (a half-fit) Morgan Schneiderlin.

God IS in His heaven and all is well with the world tonight.
Greetings from Germany. Not been able to follow things today but looks like we did okay given the niggles to key players, the usual St James's Park refereeing and the fact that we went behind. I've now got a 2-hour drive home. By the time I get there, we'll still be 8th, the skunts will still be hovering above the drop zone and the best French player on show at St James's Park today will still have been (a half-fit) Morgan Schneiderlin. God IS in His heaven and all is well with the world tonight. Strasbourg Saint

6:35pm Sat 14 Dec 13

johnlennonar says...

Norwegian Saint wrote:
Poor first half but the introduction of Lallana lit our fuse.
The J-Rod goal was, in the words if a BBC commentator, "one of the best counter attacking goals you will see this season)" He should have put us in front before a huge let off for Gazza. Feel sorry for Davis hitting the post.
We have a great team but we need to purchase another keeper, defender and maybe a little bid for Danny Ings?
I'm missing my "hell of a beating" speech!
Missing your ´´Hell of a Beating´´speech HAHAHA LOL Try and think for yourself in stead of copy-paste you bloody idiot.
[quote][p][bold]Norwegian Saint[/bold] wrote: Poor first half but the introduction of Lallana lit our fuse. The J-Rod goal was, in the words if a BBC commentator, "one of the best counter attacking goals you will see this season)" He should have put us in front before a huge let off for Gazza. Feel sorry for Davis hitting the post. We have a great team but we need to purchase another keeper, defender and maybe a little bid for Danny Ings? I'm missing my "hell of a beating" speech![/p][/quote]Missing your ´´Hell of a Beating´´speech HAHAHA LOL Try and think for yourself in stead of copy-paste you bloody idiot. johnlennonar

6:39pm Sat 14 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Costa Baz wrote:
Can't blame the players for the poor first half performance, as it was a tactical error by MP.

Just glad he had the cojones to correct it 2nd half.
Good point, in the end. Just hope the experiment of playing 2 strikers, now ends.
Every time we have used it, we have been lack lustre, only coming back into the game when going 1up top.
I am not sure it was an error, more forced by expedience, his resources are a bit limited, for some reason today the Wizard of Oz could not produce any spells, but MPs tactics worked in the end and we may even have pulled off an unexpected three pointer. Be thankfull for small mercies. When everyone is fully fit, I am sure we will be riding high once more.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Can't blame the players for the poor first half performance, as it was a tactical error by MP. Just glad he had the cojones to correct it 2nd half. Good point, in the end. Just hope the experiment of playing 2 strikers, now ends. Every time we have used it, we have been lack lustre, only coming back into the game when going 1up top.[/p][/quote]I am not sure it was an error, more forced by expedience, his resources are a bit limited, for some reason today the Wizard of Oz could not produce any spells, but MPs tactics worked in the end and we may even have pulled off an unexpected three pointer. Be thankfull for small mercies. When everyone is fully fit, I am sure we will be riding high once more. OSPREYSAINT

7:02pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Costa Baz says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Can't blame the players for the poor first half performance, as it was a tactical error by MP.

Just glad he had the cojones to correct it 2nd half.
Good point, in the end. Just hope the experiment of playing 2 strikers, now ends.
Every time we have used it, we have been lack lustre, only coming back into the game when going 1up top.
I am not sure it was an error, more forced by expedience, his resources are a bit limited, for some reason today the Wizard of Oz could not produce any spells, but MPs tactics worked in the end and we may even have pulled off an unexpected three pointer. Be thankfull for small mercies. When everyone is fully fit, I am sure we will be riding high once more.
Will have to agree, to disagree.

Lallana and Schneiderlin were both fit enough to play, as it turned out with the injury time, near on 55 minutes. So had MP wanted to play his normal formation, he could have used one of them first half and the other second, eliminating the need to change from the regular formation.

But as I said, he had the awareness to change it, and even a blind man couldn't fail to see how much more comfortable the whole team was, once the change was made, and they played the "Southampton Way".
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Can't blame the players for the poor first half performance, as it was a tactical error by MP. Just glad he had the cojones to correct it 2nd half. Good point, in the end. Just hope the experiment of playing 2 strikers, now ends. Every time we have used it, we have been lack lustre, only coming back into the game when going 1up top.[/p][/quote]I am not sure it was an error, more forced by expedience, his resources are a bit limited, for some reason today the Wizard of Oz could not produce any spells, but MPs tactics worked in the end and we may even have pulled off an unexpected three pointer. Be thankfull for small mercies. When everyone is fully fit, I am sure we will be riding high once more.[/p][/quote]Will have to agree, to disagree. Lallana and Schneiderlin were both fit enough to play, as it turned out with the injury time, near on 55 minutes. So had MP wanted to play his normal formation, he could have used one of them first half and the other second, eliminating the need to change from the regular formation. But as I said, he had the awareness to change it, and even a blind man couldn't fail to see how much more comfortable the whole team was, once the change was made, and they played the "Southampton Way". Costa Baz

7:19pm Sat 14 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Costa Baz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Can't blame the players for the poor first half performance, as it was a tactical error by MP.

Just glad he had the cojones to correct it 2nd half.
Good point, in the end. Just hope the experiment of playing 2 strikers, now ends.
Every time we have used it, we have been lack lustre, only coming back into the game when going 1up top.
I am not sure it was an error, more forced by expedience, his resources are a bit limited, for some reason today the Wizard of Oz could not produce any spells, but MPs tactics worked in the end and we may even have pulled off an unexpected three pointer. Be thankfull for small mercies. When everyone is fully fit, I am sure we will be riding high once more.
Will have to agree, to disagree.

Lallana and Schneiderlin were both fit enough to play, as it turned out with the injury time, near on 55 minutes. So had MP wanted to play his normal formation, he could have used one of them first half and the other second, eliminating the need to change from the regular formation.

But as I said, he had the awareness to change it, and even a blind man couldn't fail to see how much more comfortable the whole team was, once the change was made, and they played the "Southampton Way".
I am basing my comment on what Poch said in the post match interview on Solent, I believe what he said justified the tactics.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Can't blame the players for the poor first half performance, as it was a tactical error by MP. Just glad he had the cojones to correct it 2nd half. Good point, in the end. Just hope the experiment of playing 2 strikers, now ends. Every time we have used it, we have been lack lustre, only coming back into the game when going 1up top.[/p][/quote]I am not sure it was an error, more forced by expedience, his resources are a bit limited, for some reason today the Wizard of Oz could not produce any spells, but MPs tactics worked in the end and we may even have pulled off an unexpected three pointer. Be thankfull for small mercies. When everyone is fully fit, I am sure we will be riding high once more.[/p][/quote]Will have to agree, to disagree. Lallana and Schneiderlin were both fit enough to play, as it turned out with the injury time, near on 55 minutes. So had MP wanted to play his normal formation, he could have used one of them first half and the other second, eliminating the need to change from the regular formation. But as I said, he had the awareness to change it, and even a blind man couldn't fail to see how much more comfortable the whole team was, once the change was made, and they played the "Southampton Way".[/p][/quote]I am basing my comment on what Poch said in the post match interview on Solent, I believe what he said justified the tactics. OSPREYSAINT

7:21pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Cupid-saint says...

a little bid for player we released would make us look very amateur (Danny Ings)
a little bid for player we released would make us look very amateur (Danny Ings) Cupid-saint

7:21pm Sat 14 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Norwegian Saint wrote:
Poor first half but the introduction of Lallana lit our fuse.
The J-Rod goal was, in the words if a BBC commentator, "one of the best counter attacking goals you will see this season)" He should have put us in front before a huge let off for Gazza. Feel sorry for Davis hitting the post.
We have a great team but we need to purchase another keeper, defender and maybe a little bid for Danny Ings?
I'm missing my "hell of a beating" speech!
You could always start it with "In the 2nd Half....."
[quote][p][bold]Norwegian Saint[/bold] wrote: Poor first half but the introduction of Lallana lit our fuse. The J-Rod goal was, in the words if a BBC commentator, "one of the best counter attacking goals you will see this season)" He should have put us in front before a huge let off for Gazza. Feel sorry for Davis hitting the post. We have a great team but we need to purchase another keeper, defender and maybe a little bid for Danny Ings? I'm missing my "hell of a beating" speech![/p][/quote]You could always start it with "In the 2nd Half....." OSPREYSAINT

7:56pm Sat 14 Dec 13

saintbobby says...

johnlennonar wrote:
Norwegian Saint wrote:
Poor first half but the introduction of Lallana lit our fuse.
The J-Rod goal was, in the words if a BBC commentator, "one of the best counter attacking goals you will see this season)" He should have put us in front before a huge let off for Gazza. Feel sorry for Davis hitting the post.
We have a great team but we need to purchase another keeper, defender and maybe a little bid for Danny Ings?
I'm missing my "hell of a beating" speech!
Missing your ´´Hell of a Beating´´speech HAHAHA LOL Try and think for yourself in stead of copy-paste you bloody idiot.
Johnie, that's just rude and really unnecessary. Sorry, but there you go.

An excellent point, remember we got thumped 4-1 last year and Saints had all those injuries today. Result speaks for itself and again shows how far we have come. Well done, lads! Proud Saint in West Sussex, AGAIN!!
[quote][p][bold]johnlennonar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Norwegian Saint[/bold] wrote: Poor first half but the introduction of Lallana lit our fuse. The J-Rod goal was, in the words if a BBC commentator, "one of the best counter attacking goals you will see this season)" He should have put us in front before a huge let off for Gazza. Feel sorry for Davis hitting the post. We have a great team but we need to purchase another keeper, defender and maybe a little bid for Danny Ings? I'm missing my "hell of a beating" speech![/p][/quote]Missing your ´´Hell of a Beating´´speech HAHAHA LOL Try and think for yourself in stead of copy-paste you bloody idiot.[/p][/quote]Johnie, that's just rude and really unnecessary. Sorry, but there you go. An excellent point, remember we got thumped 4-1 last year and Saints had all those injuries today. Result speaks for itself and again shows how far we have come. Well done, lads! Proud Saint in West Sussex, AGAIN!! saintbobby

7:58pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Norwegian Saint says...

johnlennonar wrote:
Norwegian Saint wrote:
Poor first half but the introduction of Lallana lit our fuse.
The J-Rod goal was, in the words if a BBC commentator, "one of the best counter attacking goals you will see this season)" He should have put us in front before a huge let off for Gazza. Feel sorry for Davis hitting the post.
We have a great team but we need to purchase another keeper, defender and maybe a little bid for Danny Ings?
I'm missing my "hell of a beating" speech!
Missing your ´´Hell of a Beating´´speech HAHAHA LOL Try and think for yourself in stead of copy-paste you bloody idiot.
Johntheloner... who the bloody hell are you calling a bloody idiot?
I am living a brilliant life here in Norway where the commentator mentioned famous people from England when my adopted country beat them 2-1 in 1981 and take a little bit of time to find names of famous people from that area (yes, sometimes I find copy and paste helpful)
I would like to find what city your from and give you a hell of a beating... then maybe copy it and give you another pasting.
Guess your just another smelly skate that wanted to come on a successful clubs forum.... you smelly little idiot!
[quote][p][bold]johnlennonar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Norwegian Saint[/bold] wrote: Poor first half but the introduction of Lallana lit our fuse. The J-Rod goal was, in the words if a BBC commentator, "one of the best counter attacking goals you will see this season)" He should have put us in front before a huge let off for Gazza. Feel sorry for Davis hitting the post. We have a great team but we need to purchase another keeper, defender and maybe a little bid for Danny Ings? I'm missing my "hell of a beating" speech![/p][/quote]Missing your ´´Hell of a Beating´´speech HAHAHA LOL Try and think for yourself in stead of copy-paste you bloody idiot.[/p][/quote]Johntheloner... who the bloody hell are you calling a bloody idiot? I am living a brilliant life here in Norway where the commentator mentioned famous people from England when my adopted country beat them 2-1 in 1981 and take a little bit of time to find names of famous people from that area (yes, sometimes I find copy and paste helpful) I would like to find what city your from and give you a hell of a beating... then maybe copy it and give you another pasting. Guess your just another smelly skate that wanted to come on a successful clubs forum.... you smelly little idiot! Norwegian Saint

8:30pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Confucious says...

Norwegian Saint wrote:
johnlennonar wrote:
Norwegian Saint wrote:
Poor first half but the introduction of Lallana lit our fuse.
The J-Rod goal was, in the words if a BBC commentator, "one of the best counter attacking goals you will see this season)" He should have put us in front before a huge let off for Gazza. Feel sorry for Davis hitting the post.
We have a great team but we need to purchase another keeper, defender and maybe a little bid for Danny Ings?
I'm missing my "hell of a beating" speech!
Missing your ´´Hell of a Beating´´speech HAHAHA LOL Try and think for yourself in stead of copy-paste you bloody idiot.
Johntheloner... who the bloody hell are you calling a bloody idiot?
I am living a brilliant life here in Norway where the commentator mentioned famous people from England when my adopted country beat them 2-1 in 1981 and take a little bit of time to find names of famous people from that area (yes, sometimes I find copy and paste helpful)
I would like to find what city your from and give you a hell of a beating... then maybe copy it and give you another pasting.
Guess your just another smelly skate that wanted to come on a successful clubs forum.... you smelly little idiot!
Fair enough Norgie, but please stay in Norway at least until we have 40 points on the board.
[quote][p][bold]Norwegian Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnlennonar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Norwegian Saint[/bold] wrote: Poor first half but the introduction of Lallana lit our fuse. The J-Rod goal was, in the words if a BBC commentator, "one of the best counter attacking goals you will see this season)" He should have put us in front before a huge let off for Gazza. Feel sorry for Davis hitting the post. We have a great team but we need to purchase another keeper, defender and maybe a little bid for Danny Ings? I'm missing my "hell of a beating" speech![/p][/quote]Missing your ´´Hell of a Beating´´speech HAHAHA LOL Try and think for yourself in stead of copy-paste you bloody idiot.[/p][/quote]Johntheloner... who the bloody hell are you calling a bloody idiot? I am living a brilliant life here in Norway where the commentator mentioned famous people from England when my adopted country beat them 2-1 in 1981 and take a little bit of time to find names of famous people from that area (yes, sometimes I find copy and paste helpful) I would like to find what city your from and give you a hell of a beating... then maybe copy it and give you another pasting. Guess your just another smelly skate that wanted to come on a successful clubs forum.... you smelly little idiot![/p][/quote]Fair enough Norgie, but please stay in Norway at least until we have 40 points on the board. Confucious

8:41pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Norwegian Saint says...

Confucious wrote:
Norwegian Saint wrote:
johnlennonar wrote:
Norwegian Saint wrote:
Poor first half but the introduction of Lallana lit our fuse.
The J-Rod goal was, in the words if a BBC commentator, "one of the best counter attacking goals you will see this season)" He should have put us in front before a huge let off for Gazza. Feel sorry for Davis hitting the post.
We have a great team but we need to purchase another keeper, defender and maybe a little bid for Danny Ings?
I'm missing my "hell of a beating" speech!
Missing your ´´Hell of a Beating´´speech HAHAHA LOL Try and think for yourself in stead of copy-paste you bloody idiot.
Johntheloner... who the bloody hell are you calling a bloody idiot?
I am living a brilliant life here in Norway where the commentator mentioned famous people from England when my adopted country beat them 2-1 in 1981 and take a little bit of time to find names of famous people from that area (yes, sometimes I find copy and paste helpful)
I would like to find what city your from and give you a hell of a beating... then maybe copy it and give you another pasting.
Guess your just another smelly skate that wanted to come on a successful clubs forum.... you smelly little idiot!
Fair enough Norgie, but please stay in Norway at least until we have 40 points on the board.
Promise! Even cancelled a trip back to blighty at Christmas!
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Norwegian Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnlennonar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Norwegian Saint[/bold] wrote: Poor first half but the introduction of Lallana lit our fuse. The J-Rod goal was, in the words if a BBC commentator, "one of the best counter attacking goals you will see this season)" He should have put us in front before a huge let off for Gazza. Feel sorry for Davis hitting the post. We have a great team but we need to purchase another keeper, defender and maybe a little bid for Danny Ings? I'm missing my "hell of a beating" speech![/p][/quote]Missing your ´´Hell of a Beating´´speech HAHAHA LOL Try and think for yourself in stead of copy-paste you bloody idiot.[/p][/quote]Johntheloner... who the bloody hell are you calling a bloody idiot? I am living a brilliant life here in Norway where the commentator mentioned famous people from England when my adopted country beat them 2-1 in 1981 and take a little bit of time to find names of famous people from that area (yes, sometimes I find copy and paste helpful) I would like to find what city your from and give you a hell of a beating... then maybe copy it and give you another pasting. Guess your just another smelly skate that wanted to come on a successful clubs forum.... you smelly little idiot![/p][/quote]Fair enough Norgie, but please stay in Norway at least until we have 40 points on the board.[/p][/quote]Promise! Even cancelled a trip back to blighty at Christmas! Norwegian Saint

9:10pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Costa Baz says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Can't blame the players for the poor first half performance, as it was a tactical error by MP.

Just glad he had the cojones to correct it 2nd half.
Good point, in the end. Just hope the experiment of playing 2 strikers, now ends.
Every time we have used it, we have been lack lustre, only coming back into the game when going 1up top.
I am not sure it was an error, more forced by expedience, his resources are a bit limited, for some reason today the Wizard of Oz could not produce any spells, but MPs tactics worked in the end and we may even have pulled off an unexpected three pointer. Be thankfull for small mercies. When everyone is fully fit, I am sure we will be riding high once more.
Will have to agree, to disagree.

Lallana and Schneiderlin were both fit enough to play, as it turned out with the injury time, near on 55 minutes. So had MP wanted to play his normal formation, he could have used one of them first half and the other second, eliminating the need to change from the regular formation.

But as I said, he had the awareness to change it, and even a blind man couldn't fail to see how much more comfortable the whole team was, once the change was made, and they played the "Southampton Way".
I am basing my comment on what Poch said in the post match interview on Solent, I believe what he said justified the tactics.
I haven't yet seen his post match interview, so don't know his reasons for changing the way we normally play.
I just believe that one of the reasons we have done so well, this season, is because we generally play the same way, from the academy up, which is why we have been so consistent, even when injuries have caused the lineups to be changed.
First half, today, we looked like a bunch of strangers, at times, and that was due to the change of tactics.

Just an opinion.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Can't blame the players for the poor first half performance, as it was a tactical error by MP. Just glad he had the cojones to correct it 2nd half. Good point, in the end. Just hope the experiment of playing 2 strikers, now ends. Every time we have used it, we have been lack lustre, only coming back into the game when going 1up top.[/p][/quote]I am not sure it was an error, more forced by expedience, his resources are a bit limited, for some reason today the Wizard of Oz could not produce any spells, but MPs tactics worked in the end and we may even have pulled off an unexpected three pointer. Be thankfull for small mercies. When everyone is fully fit, I am sure we will be riding high once more.[/p][/quote]Will have to agree, to disagree. Lallana and Schneiderlin were both fit enough to play, as it turned out with the injury time, near on 55 minutes. So had MP wanted to play his normal formation, he could have used one of them first half and the other second, eliminating the need to change from the regular formation. But as I said, he had the awareness to change it, and even a blind man couldn't fail to see how much more comfortable the whole team was, once the change was made, and they played the "Southampton Way".[/p][/quote]I am basing my comment on what Poch said in the post match interview on Solent, I believe what he said justified the tactics.[/p][/quote]I haven't yet seen his post match interview, so don't know his reasons for changing the way we normally play. I just believe that one of the reasons we have done so well, this season, is because we generally play the same way, from the academy up, which is why we have been so consistent, even when injuries have caused the lineups to be changed. First half, today, we looked like a bunch of strangers, at times, and that was due to the change of tactics. Just an opinion. Costa Baz

9:33pm Sat 14 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Costa Baz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Can't blame the players for the poor first half performance, as it was a tactical error by MP.

Just glad he had the cojones to correct it 2nd half.
Good point, in the end. Just hope the experiment of playing 2 strikers, now ends.
Every time we have used it, we have been lack lustre, only coming back into the game when going 1up top.
I am not sure it was an error, more forced by expedience, his resources are a bit limited, for some reason today the Wizard of Oz could not produce any spells, but MPs tactics worked in the end and we may even have pulled off an unexpected three pointer. Be thankfull for small mercies. When everyone is fully fit, I am sure we will be riding high once more.
Will have to agree, to disagree.

Lallana and Schneiderlin were both fit enough to play, as it turned out with the injury time, near on 55 minutes. So had MP wanted to play his normal formation, he could have used one of them first half and the other second, eliminating the need to change from the regular formation.

But as I said, he had the awareness to change it, and even a blind man couldn't fail to see how much more comfortable the whole team was, once the change was made, and they played the "Southampton Way".
I am basing my comment on what Poch said in the post match interview on Solent, I believe what he said justified the tactics.
I haven't yet seen his post match interview, so don't know his reasons for changing the way we normally play.
I just believe that one of the reasons we have done so well, this season, is because we generally play the same way, from the academy up, which is why we have been so consistent, even when injuries have caused the lineups to be changed.
First half, today, we looked like a bunch of strangers, at times, and that was due to the change of tactics.

Just an opinion.
I agree up to a point, I will watch it on Sky choice. One thing however is the statement "we play the same way", that is probably why we failed against Arsenal and Chelsea, because they had sussed out the way we play and counteracted our methods, now we have had to change because of the injury problems, we have had to adjust and adapt with what we have available, without our brick outhouse shutting of the avenues, we have to use different approach to be cutting off the supplies to their forwards. Not helped by a GK lacking experience and confidence in what he is doing, he is still on a gigantic learning curve. Had we been letting in six against Man City I would be a bit more concerned. You don't give any credit to Newcastle in the first half, they are a team on a winning streak, full of confidence, expecting to roll us over with their usual overwhelming attack, we just rode the storm and only a careless mistake cost us a goal. Had Lalla and Spider started, it is highly possible that they could have aggravated any injury that they had, Newcastle had somewhat run out of momentum after half time, an ideal time for Lalla to come on and torment them. If Poch got the tactics wrong in the first half he certainly got it right in the 2nd half.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Can't blame the players for the poor first half performance, as it was a tactical error by MP. Just glad he had the cojones to correct it 2nd half. Good point, in the end. Just hope the experiment of playing 2 strikers, now ends. Every time we have used it, we have been lack lustre, only coming back into the game when going 1up top.[/p][/quote]I am not sure it was an error, more forced by expedience, his resources are a bit limited, for some reason today the Wizard of Oz could not produce any spells, but MPs tactics worked in the end and we may even have pulled off an unexpected three pointer. Be thankfull for small mercies. When everyone is fully fit, I am sure we will be riding high once more.[/p][/quote]Will have to agree, to disagree. Lallana and Schneiderlin were both fit enough to play, as it turned out with the injury time, near on 55 minutes. So had MP wanted to play his normal formation, he could have used one of them first half and the other second, eliminating the need to change from the regular formation. But as I said, he had the awareness to change it, and even a blind man couldn't fail to see how much more comfortable the whole team was, once the change was made, and they played the "Southampton Way".[/p][/quote]I am basing my comment on what Poch said in the post match interview on Solent, I believe what he said justified the tactics.[/p][/quote]I haven't yet seen his post match interview, so don't know his reasons for changing the way we normally play. I just believe that one of the reasons we have done so well, this season, is because we generally play the same way, from the academy up, which is why we have been so consistent, even when injuries have caused the lineups to be changed. First half, today, we looked like a bunch of strangers, at times, and that was due to the change of tactics. Just an opinion.[/p][/quote]I agree up to a point, I will watch it on Sky choice. One thing however is the statement "we play the same way", that is probably why we failed against Arsenal and Chelsea, because they had sussed out the way we play and counteracted our methods, now we have had to change because of the injury problems, we have had to adjust and adapt with what we have available, without our brick outhouse shutting of the avenues, we have to use different approach to be cutting off the supplies to their forwards. Not helped by a GK lacking experience and confidence in what he is doing, he is still on a gigantic learning curve. Had we been letting in six against Man City I would be a bit more concerned. You don't give any credit to Newcastle in the first half, they are a team on a winning streak, full of confidence, expecting to roll us over with their usual overwhelming attack, we just rode the storm and only a careless mistake cost us a goal. Had Lalla and Spider started, it is highly possible that they could have aggravated any injury that they had, Newcastle had somewhat run out of momentum after half time, an ideal time for Lalla to come on and torment them. If Poch got the tactics wrong in the first half he certainly got it right in the 2nd half. OSPREYSAINT

9:46pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Saintsayer II says...

Seven of our eleven home games are against teams currently in the top 10 so we have a great chance to take points from clubs around us and pick up points from the so called lesser cluba away from home It needs to start with awin against Spurs
Seven of our eleven home games are against teams currently in the top 10 so we have a great chance to take points from clubs around us and pick up points from the so called lesser cluba away from home It needs to start with awin against Spurs Saintsayer II

10:04pm Sat 14 Dec 13

swesaint says...

Costa Baz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Can't blame the players for the poor first half performance, as it was a tactical error by MP.

Just glad he had the cojones to correct it 2nd half.
Good point, in the end. Just hope the experiment of playing 2 strikers, now ends.
Every time we have used it, we have been lack lustre, only coming back into the game when going 1up top.
I am not sure it was an error, more forced by expedience, his resources are a bit limited, for some reason today the Wizard of Oz could not produce any spells, but MPs tactics worked in the end and we may even have pulled off an unexpected three pointer. Be thankfull for small mercies. When everyone is fully fit, I am sure we will be riding high once more.
Will have to agree, to disagree.

Lallana and Schneiderlin were both fit enough to play, as it turned out with the injury time, near on 55 minutes. So had MP wanted to play his normal formation, he could have used one of them first half and the other second, eliminating the need to change from the regular formation.

But as I said, he had the awareness to change it, and even a blind man couldn't fail to see how much more comfortable the whole team was, once the change was made, and they played the "Southampton Way".
I am basing my comment on what Poch said in the post match interview on Solent, I believe what he said justified the tactics.
I haven't yet seen his post match interview, so don't know his reasons for changing the way we normally play.
I just believe that one of the reasons we have done so well, this season, is because we generally play the same way, from the academy up, which is why we have been so consistent, even when injuries have caused the lineups to be changed.
First half, today, we looked like a bunch of strangers, at times, and that was due to the change of tactics.

Just an opinion.
We were away to the in form team in the league. How do you expect us to start. You don't just o away in the PL and dominate games.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Can't blame the players for the poor first half performance, as it was a tactical error by MP. Just glad he had the cojones to correct it 2nd half. Good point, in the end. Just hope the experiment of playing 2 strikers, now ends. Every time we have used it, we have been lack lustre, only coming back into the game when going 1up top.[/p][/quote]I am not sure it was an error, more forced by expedience, his resources are a bit limited, for some reason today the Wizard of Oz could not produce any spells, but MPs tactics worked in the end and we may even have pulled off an unexpected three pointer. Be thankfull for small mercies. When everyone is fully fit, I am sure we will be riding high once more.[/p][/quote]Will have to agree, to disagree. Lallana and Schneiderlin were both fit enough to play, as it turned out with the injury time, near on 55 minutes. So had MP wanted to play his normal formation, he could have used one of them first half and the other second, eliminating the need to change from the regular formation. But as I said, he had the awareness to change it, and even a blind man couldn't fail to see how much more comfortable the whole team was, once the change was made, and they played the "Southampton Way".[/p][/quote]I am basing my comment on what Poch said in the post match interview on Solent, I believe what he said justified the tactics.[/p][/quote]I haven't yet seen his post match interview, so don't know his reasons for changing the way we normally play. I just believe that one of the reasons we have done so well, this season, is because we generally play the same way, from the academy up, which is why we have been so consistent, even when injuries have caused the lineups to be changed. First half, today, we looked like a bunch of strangers, at times, and that was due to the change of tactics. Just an opinion.[/p][/quote]We were away to the in form team in the league. How do you expect us to start. You don't just o away in the PL and dominate games. swesaint

10:22pm Sat 14 Dec 13

florida saint says...

would take appoint at newcastle any day. poss 27 pts before xmas. superb effort even with a weakened side recently. our squad was deeper than i thought, well done saints today in Geordie land and huge respect to the red and white army that travelled, one hell of a trip. respect to you. u t s.
would take appoint at newcastle any day. poss 27 pts before xmas. superb effort even with a weakened side recently. our squad was deeper than i thought, well done saints today in Geordie land and huge respect to the red and white army that travelled, one hell of a trip. respect to you. u t s. florida saint

10:30pm Sat 14 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Watched the first half highlights and more or less what we said, Newcastle huffed and puffed, but to be honest never really blew the house down, we just soaked up everything that they threw at us, just one mistake and that cost us dear. It wasn't pretty and we offered no threat up front.
Watched the first half highlights and more or less what we said, Newcastle huffed and puffed, but to be honest never really blew the house down, we just soaked up everything that they threw at us, just one mistake and that cost us dear. It wasn't pretty and we offered no threat up front. OSPREYSAINT

10:56pm Sat 14 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Second half was a lot better, but they didn't show the Spider tackle which started the melee. It was puzzling that Remy kept getting free kicks when he hadn't actually been fouled. Big Sam G was definitely pushed in the Penalty Area near the end, but nothing given. Could have gone either way but a draw was fair.
Second half was a lot better, but they didn't show the Spider tackle which started the melee. It was puzzling that Remy kept getting free kicks when he hadn't actually been fouled. Big Sam G was definitely pushed in the Penalty Area near the end, but nothing given. Could have gone either way but a draw was fair. OSPREYSAINT

12:51am Sun 15 Dec 13

sasmike says...

need a keeper and a striker on the bus and get dani and gastron off the bus
need a keeper and a striker on the bus and get dani and gastron off the bus sasmike

1:38am Sun 15 Dec 13

el caballo santos101 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Watched the first half highlights and more or less what we said, Newcastle huffed and puffed, but to be honest never really blew the house down, we just soaked up everything that they threw at us, just one mistake and that cost us dear. It wasn't pretty and we offered no threat up front.
there are a few who moan that MP hasn't got a plan B and then when he changes formation, for tactical or injury reasons, people moan that hes changed formation ( some are the people who moan there is no plan B!).
look at some of the comments, before during and after the game, about lalla spider and fonte being on the bench today. MP said after the game that they couldn't be risked from the start. you don't start a player who might go down after 5 mins with an injury you know about. you don't start a player in the hope that he might make it to half time. you can bring a player on at half time if your chasing the game and need to. its common sense. why people think they know better about a players fitness than the manager I`ll never know.
to be honest if MP thinks he should start with or without certain players in whatever formation he choses I`ll back him. MP and his team watch hours and hours of footage on the oppo`s from every camera angle and are able to do so much more with the tape than we can at home.
we have come away from an away game with one of the in form teams in the league with a good point, a point most would have been happy with before the game. we played well for most of the game and but for a big mistake by hoover, for god sake man use your right foot and put it out!, it could have been a better result.
we are down to our third choice keeper not second and most teams would struggle if they were in that position. gazza is a young lad who could be a good keeper, yes hes made mistakes and we hope he learns from them. today he tried to clear the ball first time and miss hit it, maybe he learnt from AB after the arsenil game not to get caught with the ball?
we got hammered last year at Newcastle and this year we are unlucky not to win, think how much better it could have been if we were fully fit.
a nice easy game next sunday at home to spuds, who only beat us last year because of bale, I really think we an turn them over. lets hope spider lalla and fonte are all fit though.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Watched the first half highlights and more or less what we said, Newcastle huffed and puffed, but to be honest never really blew the house down, we just soaked up everything that they threw at us, just one mistake and that cost us dear. It wasn't pretty and we offered no threat up front.[/p][/quote]there are a few who moan that MP hasn't got a plan B and then when he changes formation, for tactical or injury reasons, people moan that hes changed formation ( some are the people who moan there is no plan B!). look at some of the comments, before during and after the game, about lalla spider and fonte being on the bench today. MP said after the game that they couldn't be risked from the start. you don't start a player who might go down after 5 mins with an injury you know about. you don't start a player in the hope that he might make it to half time. you can bring a player on at half time if your chasing the game and need to. its common sense. why people think they know better about a players fitness than the manager I`ll never know. to be honest if MP thinks he should start with or without certain players in whatever formation he choses I`ll back him. MP and his team watch hours and hours of footage on the oppo`s from every camera angle and are able to do so much more with the tape than we can at home. we have come away from an away game with one of the in form teams in the league with a good point, a point most would have been happy with before the game. we played well for most of the game and but for a big mistake by hoover, for god sake man use your right foot and put it out!, it could have been a better result. we are down to our third choice keeper not second and most teams would struggle if they were in that position. gazza is a young lad who could be a good keeper, yes hes made mistakes and we hope he learns from them. today he tried to clear the ball first time and miss hit it, maybe he learnt from AB after the arsenil game not to get caught with the ball? we got hammered last year at Newcastle and this year we are unlucky not to win, think how much better it could have been if we were fully fit. a nice easy game next sunday at home to spuds, who only beat us last year because of bale, I really think we an turn them over. lets hope spider lalla and fonte are all fit though. el caballo santos101

8:12am Sun 15 Dec 13

SouthamptonLegend says...

Norwegian Saint wrote:
Poor first half but the introduction of Lallana lit our fuse.
The J-Rod goal was, in the words if a BBC commentator, "one of the best counter attacking goals you will see this season)" He should have put us in front before a huge let off for Gazza. Feel sorry for Davis hitting the post.
We have a great team but we need to purchase another keeper, defender and maybe a little bid for Danny Ings?
I'm missing my "hell of a beating" speech!
Danny Ings?!

#fuuckoff

And how many goalkeepers do we already have?! 2 experienced and 2 young talents, how many more do we need?! Davis will be back soon, he's good enough to cover for Boruc (who's only going to be out for another few weeks)

Stop panicking!!
[quote][p][bold]Norwegian Saint[/bold] wrote: Poor first half but the introduction of Lallana lit our fuse. The J-Rod goal was, in the words if a BBC commentator, "one of the best counter attacking goals you will see this season)" He should have put us in front before a huge let off for Gazza. Feel sorry for Davis hitting the post. We have a great team but we need to purchase another keeper, defender and maybe a little bid for Danny Ings? I'm missing my "hell of a beating" speech![/p][/quote]Danny Ings?! #fuuckoff And how many goalkeepers do we already have?! 2 experienced and 2 young talents, how many more do we need?! Davis will be back soon, he's good enough to cover for Boruc (who's only going to be out for another few weeks) Stop panicking!! SouthamptonLegend

8:16am Sun 15 Dec 13

SouthamptonLegend says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Second half was a lot better, but they didn't show the Spider tackle which started the melee. It was puzzling that Remy kept getting free kicks when he hadn't actually been fouled. Big Sam G was definitely pushed in the Penalty Area near the end, but nothing given. Could have gone either way but a draw was fair.
I watched MOTD and they showed it...

You're repeating what the solent commentator was saying, bore off!!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Second half was a lot better, but they didn't show the Spider tackle which started the melee. It was puzzling that Remy kept getting free kicks when he hadn't actually been fouled. Big Sam G was definitely pushed in the Penalty Area near the end, but nothing given. Could have gone either way but a draw was fair.[/p][/quote]I watched MOTD and they showed it... You're repeating what the solent commentator was saying, bore off!! SouthamptonLegend

9:32am Sun 15 Dec 13

miltonnroad76 says...

Great result with the injurys..maybe MP thuoght we could do it with out lallana and morgan ..does show we maybe need a couple of players in january as we struggled ,,hoover well nobody was suprised at him **** up.....
Great result with the injurys..maybe MP thuoght we could do it with out lallana and morgan ..does show we maybe need a couple of players in january as we struggled ,,hoover well nobody was suprised at him **** up..... miltonnroad76

9:54am Sun 15 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

SouthamptonLegend wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Second half was a lot better, but they didn't show the Spider tackle which started the melee. It was puzzling that Remy kept getting free kicks when he hadn't actually been fouled. Big Sam G was definitely pushed in the Penalty Area near the end, but nothing given. Could have gone either way but a draw was fair.
I watched MOTD and they showed it...

You're repeating what the solent commentator was saying, bore off!!
Yes, I saw it it briefly on MoD too, didn't look anything more than the usual Spider slide tackle, I was giving my opinion from what I heard on Radio Solent, various posts on two separate message sites, and what was stated on the BBC Sport site, plus the Sky choice highlights, the Solent Commentator appears to have called it right first time, if everyone else is to be believed, so what is your point and why are you so abusive?
[quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Second half was a lot better, but they didn't show the Spider tackle which started the melee. It was puzzling that Remy kept getting free kicks when he hadn't actually been fouled. Big Sam G was definitely pushed in the Penalty Area near the end, but nothing given. Could have gone either way but a draw was fair.[/p][/quote]I watched MOTD and they showed it... You're repeating what the solent commentator was saying, bore off!![/p][/quote]Yes, I saw it it briefly on MoD too, didn't look anything more than the usual Spider slide tackle, I was giving my opinion from what I heard on Radio Solent, various posts on two separate message sites, and what was stated on the BBC Sport site, plus the Sky choice highlights, the Solent Commentator appears to have called it right first time, if everyone else is to be believed, so what is your point and why are you so abusive? OSPREYSAINT

10:59am Sun 15 Dec 13

Costa Baz says...

swesaint wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Can't blame the players for the poor first half performance, as it was a tactical error by MP.

Just glad he had the cojones to correct it 2nd half.
Good point, in the end. Just hope the experiment of playing 2 strikers, now ends.
Every time we have used it, we have been lack lustre, only coming back into the game when going 1up top.
I am not sure it was an error, more forced by expedience, his resources are a bit limited, for some reason today the Wizard of Oz could not produce any spells, but MPs tactics worked in the end and we may even have pulled off an unexpected three pointer. Be thankfull for small mercies. When everyone is fully fit, I am sure we will be riding high once more.
Will have to agree, to disagree.

Lallana and Schneiderlin were both fit enough to play, as it turned out with the injury time, near on 55 minutes. So had MP wanted to play his normal formation, he could have used one of them first half and the other second, eliminating the need to change from the regular formation.

But as I said, he had the awareness to change it, and even a blind man couldn't fail to see how much more comfortable the whole team was, once the change was made, and they played the "Southampton Way".
I am basing my comment on what Poch said in the post match interview on Solent, I believe what he said justified the tactics.
I haven't yet seen his post match interview, so don't know his reasons for changing the way we normally play.
I just believe that one of the reasons we have done so well, this season, is because we generally play the same way, from the academy up, which is why we have been so consistent, even when injuries have caused the lineups to be changed.
First half, today, we looked like a bunch of strangers, at times, and that was due to the change of tactics.

Just an opinion.
We were away to the in form team in the league. How do you expect us to start. You don't just o away in the PL and dominate games.
Actually, we have proved that we do go away and dominate games.
My original point referred to the tactics that allowed us to dominate possession, in our own half, but readily concede possession in Newcastle's half, owing to the massive gap between the midfield and strikers. Something I predicted would happen on Friday, when people were clamouring for Osvaldo and Lambert both to start the game.

If playing 442 is MP's plan B, then we will have more first halves, like yesterday, to enjoy, but as only Chelsea have caused us problems, when we play the normal way, why change?
[quote][p][bold]swesaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Can't blame the players for the poor first half performance, as it was a tactical error by MP. Just glad he had the cojones to correct it 2nd half. Good point, in the end. Just hope the experiment of playing 2 strikers, now ends. Every time we have used it, we have been lack lustre, only coming back into the game when going 1up top.[/p][/quote]I am not sure it was an error, more forced by expedience, his resources are a bit limited, for some reason today the Wizard of Oz could not produce any spells, but MPs tactics worked in the end and we may even have pulled off an unexpected three pointer. Be thankfull for small mercies. When everyone is fully fit, I am sure we will be riding high once more.[/p][/quote]Will have to agree, to disagree. Lallana and Schneiderlin were both fit enough to play, as it turned out with the injury time, near on 55 minutes. So had MP wanted to play his normal formation, he could have used one of them first half and the other second, eliminating the need to change from the regular formation. But as I said, he had the awareness to change it, and even a blind man couldn't fail to see how much more comfortable the whole team was, once the change was made, and they played the "Southampton Way".[/p][/quote]I am basing my comment on what Poch said in the post match interview on Solent, I believe what he said justified the tactics.[/p][/quote]I haven't yet seen his post match interview, so don't know his reasons for changing the way we normally play. I just believe that one of the reasons we have done so well, this season, is because we generally play the same way, from the academy up, which is why we have been so consistent, even when injuries have caused the lineups to be changed. First half, today, we looked like a bunch of strangers, at times, and that was due to the change of tactics. Just an opinion.[/p][/quote]We were away to the in form team in the league. How do you expect us to start. You don't just o away in the PL and dominate games.[/p][/quote]Actually, we have proved that we do go away and dominate games. My original point referred to the tactics that allowed us to dominate possession, in our own half, but readily concede possession in Newcastle's half, owing to the massive gap between the midfield and strikers. Something I predicted would happen on Friday, when people were clamouring for Osvaldo and Lambert both to start the game. If playing 442 is MP's plan B, then we will have more first halves, like yesterday, to enjoy, but as only Chelsea have caused us problems, when we play the normal way, why change? Costa Baz

11:20am Sun 15 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

How do you explain the Villa result? Statistics say we played far better on that day and lost. Gazza is getting some unfair criticism in my opinion, Gazza v Man City 1 goal let in, Szczesny v Man City 6 goals let in, statistically that makes Gazza the better GK, but we know better, He is what he is, a young inexperienced third choice goalkeeper that is having to learn as he goes, cut him some slack.
How do you explain the Villa result? Statistics say we played far better on that day and lost. Gazza is getting some unfair criticism in my opinion, Gazza v Man City 1 goal let in, Szczesny v Man City 6 goals let in, statistically that makes Gazza the better GK, but we know better, He is what he is, a young inexperienced third choice goalkeeper that is having to learn as he goes, cut him some slack. OSPREYSAINT

11:24am Sun 15 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Costa Baz wrote:
swesaint wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Can't blame the players for the poor first half performance, as it was a tactical error by MP.

Just glad he had the cojones to correct it 2nd half.
Good point, in the end. Just hope the experiment of playing 2 strikers, now ends.
Every time we have used it, we have been lack lustre, only coming back into the game when going 1up top.
I am not sure it was an error, more forced by expedience, his resources are a bit limited, for some reason today the Wizard of Oz could not produce any spells, but MPs tactics worked in the end and we may even have pulled off an unexpected three pointer. Be thankfull for small mercies. When everyone is fully fit, I am sure we will be riding high once more.
Will have to agree, to disagree.

Lallana and Schneiderlin were both fit enough to play, as it turned out with the injury time, near on 55 minutes. So had MP wanted to play his normal formation, he could have used one of them first half and the other second, eliminating the need to change from the regular formation.

But as I said, he had the awareness to change it, and even a blind man couldn't fail to see how much more comfortable the whole team was, once the change was made, and they played the "Southampton Way".
I am basing my comment on what Poch said in the post match interview on Solent, I believe what he said justified the tactics.
I haven't yet seen his post match interview, so don't know his reasons for changing the way we normally play.
I just believe that one of the reasons we have done so well, this season, is because we generally play the same way, from the academy up, which is why we have been so consistent, even when injuries have caused the lineups to be changed.
First half, today, we looked like a bunch of strangers, at times, and that was due to the change of tactics.

Just an opinion.
We were away to the in form team in the league. How do you expect us to start. You don't just o away in the PL and dominate games.
Actually, we have proved that we do go away and dominate games.
My original point referred to the tactics that allowed us to dominate possession, in our own half, but readily concede possession in Newcastle's half, owing to the massive gap between the midfield and strikers. Something I predicted would happen on Friday, when people were clamouring for Osvaldo and Lambert both to start the game.

If playing 442 is MP's plan B, then we will have more first halves, like yesterday, to enjoy, but as only Chelsea have caused us problems, when we play the normal way, why change?
Table top management is simple, in reality Poch has a lot more to worry about, nothing wrong with your opinion though, but I can perceive flaws in your logic, I reserve the right to differ if I agreed with all that you said, we could both be wrong.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swesaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Can't blame the players for the poor first half performance, as it was a tactical error by MP. Just glad he had the cojones to correct it 2nd half. Good point, in the end. Just hope the experiment of playing 2 strikers, now ends. Every time we have used it, we have been lack lustre, only coming back into the game when going 1up top.[/p][/quote]I am not sure it was an error, more forced by expedience, his resources are a bit limited, for some reason today the Wizard of Oz could not produce any spells, but MPs tactics worked in the end and we may even have pulled off an unexpected three pointer. Be thankfull for small mercies. When everyone is fully fit, I am sure we will be riding high once more.[/p][/quote]Will have to agree, to disagree. Lallana and Schneiderlin were both fit enough to play, as it turned out with the injury time, near on 55 minutes. So had MP wanted to play his normal formation, he could have used one of them first half and the other second, eliminating the need to change from the regular formation. But as I said, he had the awareness to change it, and even a blind man couldn't fail to see how much more comfortable the whole team was, once the change was made, and they played the "Southampton Way".[/p][/quote]I am basing my comment on what Poch said in the post match interview on Solent, I believe what he said justified the tactics.[/p][/quote]I haven't yet seen his post match interview, so don't know his reasons for changing the way we normally play. I just believe that one of the reasons we have done so well, this season, is because we generally play the same way, from the academy up, which is why we have been so consistent, even when injuries have caused the lineups to be changed. First half, today, we looked like a bunch of strangers, at times, and that was due to the change of tactics. Just an opinion.[/p][/quote]We were away to the in form team in the league. How do you expect us to start. You don't just o away in the PL and dominate games.[/p][/quote]Actually, we have proved that we do go away and dominate games. My original point referred to the tactics that allowed us to dominate possession, in our own half, but readily concede possession in Newcastle's half, owing to the massive gap between the midfield and strikers. Something I predicted would happen on Friday, when people were clamouring for Osvaldo and Lambert both to start the game. If playing 442 is MP's plan B, then we will have more first halves, like yesterday, to enjoy, but as only Chelsea have caused us problems, when we play the normal way, why change?[/p][/quote]Table top management is simple, in reality Poch has a lot more to worry about, nothing wrong with your opinion though, but I can perceive flaws in your logic, I reserve the right to differ if I agreed with all that you said, we could both be wrong. OSPREYSAINT

12:37pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Watched the first half highlights and more or less what we said, Newcastle huffed and puffed, but to be honest never really blew the house down, we just soaked up everything that they threw at us, just one mistake and that cost us dear. It wasn't pretty and we offered no threat up front.
there are a few who moan that MP hasn't got a plan B and then when he changes formation, for tactical or injury reasons, people moan that hes changed formation ( some are the people who moan there is no plan B!).
look at some of the comments, before during and after the game, about lalla spider and fonte being on the bench today. MP said after the game that they couldn't be risked from the start. you don't start a player who might go down after 5 mins with an injury you know about. you don't start a player in the hope that he might make it to half time. you can bring a player on at half time if your chasing the game and need to. its common sense. why people think they know better about a players fitness than the manager I`ll never know.
to be honest if MP thinks he should start with or without certain players in whatever formation he choses I`ll back him. MP and his team watch hours and hours of footage on the oppo`s from every camera angle and are able to do so much more with the tape than we can at home.
we have come away from an away game with one of the in form teams in the league with a good point, a point most would have been happy with before the game. we played well for most of the game and but for a big mistake by hoover, for god sake man use your right foot and put it out!, it could have been a better result.
we are down to our third choice keeper not second and most teams would struggle if they were in that position. gazza is a young lad who could be a good keeper, yes hes made mistakes and we hope he learns from them. today he tried to clear the ball first time and miss hit it, maybe he learnt from AB after the arsenil game not to get caught with the ball?
we got hammered last year at Newcastle and this year we are unlucky not to win, think how much better it could have been if we were fully fit.
a nice easy game next sunday at home to spuds, who only beat us last year because of bale, I really think we an turn them over. lets hope spider lalla and fonte are all fit though.
I tend to agree with you, ECS101 but would take issue with your use of the word 'hammered' for last season. They had huge help in scoring their 4 goals; one was offside - but tbh would have been harshly ruled out - one was a freak OG and one was a dubious penalty.

As you say, it's no mean feat to go there with so many forced changes, when they are on such a good run and when, I gather, (I didn't see anything except MotD's limited efforts) the ref was once again somewhat 'unbalanced' with his judgments.

You're right about the comments about MP's selections getting criticised during the game. It shows how little we on here know. From a distance, (cue the song) we can all decide who to pick and then say 'I told you so' when one error leads to a goal. How was Hoover's performance if you take away his howler? From the little I know, he had a storming 89 1/2 minutes + stoppage time.

Spuds? There are no easy games in football (unless you're playing the skates, of course) but it's not a game we should fear.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Watched the first half highlights and more or less what we said, Newcastle huffed and puffed, but to be honest never really blew the house down, we just soaked up everything that they threw at us, just one mistake and that cost us dear. It wasn't pretty and we offered no threat up front.[/p][/quote]there are a few who moan that MP hasn't got a plan B and then when he changes formation, for tactical or injury reasons, people moan that hes changed formation ( some are the people who moan there is no plan B!). look at some of the comments, before during and after the game, about lalla spider and fonte being on the bench today. MP said after the game that they couldn't be risked from the start. you don't start a player who might go down after 5 mins with an injury you know about. you don't start a player in the hope that he might make it to half time. you can bring a player on at half time if your chasing the game and need to. its common sense. why people think they know better about a players fitness than the manager I`ll never know. to be honest if MP thinks he should start with or without certain players in whatever formation he choses I`ll back him. MP and his team watch hours and hours of footage on the oppo`s from every camera angle and are able to do so much more with the tape than we can at home. we have come away from an away game with one of the in form teams in the league with a good point, a point most would have been happy with before the game. we played well for most of the game and but for a big mistake by hoover, for god sake man use your right foot and put it out!, it could have been a better result. we are down to our third choice keeper not second and most teams would struggle if they were in that position. gazza is a young lad who could be a good keeper, yes hes made mistakes and we hope he learns from them. today he tried to clear the ball first time and miss hit it, maybe he learnt from AB after the arsenil game not to get caught with the ball? we got hammered last year at Newcastle and this year we are unlucky not to win, think how much better it could have been if we were fully fit. a nice easy game next sunday at home to spuds, who only beat us last year because of bale, I really think we an turn them over. lets hope spider lalla and fonte are all fit though.[/p][/quote]I tend to agree with you, ECS101 but would take issue with your use of the word 'hammered' for last season. They had huge help in scoring their 4 goals; one was offside - but tbh would have been harshly ruled out - one was a freak OG and one was a dubious penalty. As you say, it's no mean feat to go there with so many forced changes, when they are on such a good run and when, I gather, (I didn't see anything except MotD's limited efforts) the ref was once again somewhat 'unbalanced' with his judgments. You're right about the comments about MP's selections getting criticised during the game. It shows how little we on here know. From a distance, (cue the song) we can all decide who to pick and then say 'I told you so' when one error leads to a goal. How was Hoover's performance if you take away his howler? From the little I know, he had a storming 89 1/2 minutes + stoppage time. Spuds? There are no easy games in football (unless you're playing the skates, of course) but it's not a game we should fear. Strasbourg Saint

2:26pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Chipster says...

We need a new keeper in January, asap! Cassi just isn't up to the challenge and is a liability!
We need a new keeper in January, asap! Cassi just isn't up to the challenge and is a liability! Chipster

2:50pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Costa Baz says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
swesaint wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Can't blame the players for the poor first half performance, as it was a tactical error by MP.

Just glad he had the cojones to correct it 2nd half.
Good point, in the end. Just hope the experiment of playing 2 strikers, now ends.
Every time we have used it, we have been lack lustre, only coming back into the game when going 1up top.
I am not sure it was an error, more forced by expedience, his resources are a bit limited, for some reason today the Wizard of Oz could not produce any spells, but MPs tactics worked in the end and we may even have pulled off an unexpected three pointer. Be thankfull for small mercies. When everyone is fully fit, I am sure we will be riding high once more.
Will have to agree, to disagree.

Lallana and Schneiderlin were both fit enough to play, as it turned out with the injury time, near on 55 minutes. So had MP wanted to play his normal formation, he could have used one of them first half and the other second, eliminating the need to change from the regular formation.

But as I said, he had the awareness to change it, and even a blind man couldn't fail to see how much more comfortable the whole team was, once the change was made, and they played the "Southampton Way".
I am basing my comment on what Poch said in the post match interview on Solent, I believe what he said justified the tactics.
I haven't yet seen his post match interview, so don't know his reasons for changing the way we normally play.
I just believe that one of the reasons we have done so well, this season, is because we generally play the same way, from the academy up, which is why we have been so consistent, even when injuries have caused the lineups to be changed.
First half, today, we looked like a bunch of strangers, at times, and that was due to the change of tactics.

Just an opinion.
We were away to the in form team in the league. How do you expect us to start. You don't just o away in the PL and dominate games.
Actually, we have proved that we do go away and dominate games.
My original point referred to the tactics that allowed us to dominate possession, in our own half, but readily concede possession in Newcastle's half, owing to the massive gap between the midfield and strikers. Something I predicted would happen on Friday, when people were clamouring for Osvaldo and Lambert both to start the game.

If playing 442 is MP's plan B, then we will have more first halves, like yesterday, to enjoy, but as only Chelsea have caused us problems, when we play the normal way, why change?
Table top management is simple, in reality Poch has a lot more to worry about, nothing wrong with your opinion though, but I can perceive flaws in your logic, I reserve the right to differ if I agreed with all that you said, we could both be wrong.
It would be a sad world if we all agreed.

Last comment from me, today re the 442, is that IMO, our worst performances to date have been at Norwich (all game), Liverpool (first half) and Newcastle (first half).

We also struggled at home against West Ham and had problems breaking down Palace.

All 5 games had Osvaldo and Lambert start the game and in all 5 games we struggled going forward , because we were hitting too many long balls. Just another opinion, but if we try 442 again, then one of the front two needs to be "nippier" than either Lambert or Osvaldo, so he can drop off short to receive the ball, and still have the pace to link up with his partner.

Wouldn't be surprised to see someone who can play like that, bought in January .
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swesaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Can't blame the players for the poor first half performance, as it was a tactical error by MP. Just glad he had the cojones to correct it 2nd half. Good point, in the end. Just hope the experiment of playing 2 strikers, now ends. Every time we have used it, we have been lack lustre, only coming back into the game when going 1up top.[/p][/quote]I am not sure it was an error, more forced by expedience, his resources are a bit limited, for some reason today the Wizard of Oz could not produce any spells, but MPs tactics worked in the end and we may even have pulled off an unexpected three pointer. Be thankfull for small mercies. When everyone is fully fit, I am sure we will be riding high once more.[/p][/quote]Will have to agree, to disagree. Lallana and Schneiderlin were both fit enough to play, as it turned out with the injury time, near on 55 minutes. So had MP wanted to play his normal formation, he could have used one of them first half and the other second, eliminating the need to change from the regular formation. But as I said, he had the awareness to change it, and even a blind man couldn't fail to see how much more comfortable the whole team was, once the change was made, and they played the "Southampton Way".[/p][/quote]I am basing my comment on what Poch said in the post match interview on Solent, I believe what he said justified the tactics.[/p][/quote]I haven't yet seen his post match interview, so don't know his reasons for changing the way we normally play. I just believe that one of the reasons we have done so well, this season, is because we generally play the same way, from the academy up, which is why we have been so consistent, even when injuries have caused the lineups to be changed. First half, today, we looked like a bunch of strangers, at times, and that was due to the change of tactics. Just an opinion.[/p][/quote]We were away to the in form team in the league. How do you expect us to start. You don't just o away in the PL and dominate games.[/p][/quote]Actually, we have proved that we do go away and dominate games. My original point referred to the tactics that allowed us to dominate possession, in our own half, but readily concede possession in Newcastle's half, owing to the massive gap between the midfield and strikers. Something I predicted would happen on Friday, when people were clamouring for Osvaldo and Lambert both to start the game. If playing 442 is MP's plan B, then we will have more first halves, like yesterday, to enjoy, but as only Chelsea have caused us problems, when we play the normal way, why change?[/p][/quote]Table top management is simple, in reality Poch has a lot more to worry about, nothing wrong with your opinion though, but I can perceive flaws in your logic, I reserve the right to differ if I agreed with all that you said, we could both be wrong.[/p][/quote]It would be a sad world if we all agreed. Last comment from me, today re the 442, is that IMO, our worst performances to date have been at Norwich (all game), Liverpool (first half) and Newcastle (first half). We also struggled at home against West Ham and had problems breaking down Palace. All 5 games had Osvaldo and Lambert start the game and in all 5 games we struggled going forward , because we were hitting too many long balls. Just another opinion, but if we try 442 again, then one of the front two needs to be "nippier" than either Lambert or Osvaldo, so he can drop off short to receive the ball, and still have the pace to link up with his partner. Wouldn't be surprised to see someone who can play like that, bought in January . Costa Baz

6:15pm Sun 15 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Watched the first half highlights and more or less what we said, Newcastle huffed and puffed, but to be honest never really blew the house down, we just soaked up everything that they threw at us, just one mistake and that cost us dear. It wasn't pretty and we offered no threat up front.
there are a few who moan that MP hasn't got a plan B and then when he changes formation, for tactical or injury reasons, people moan that hes changed formation ( some are the people who moan there is no plan B!).
look at some of the comments, before during and after the game, about lalla spider and fonte being on the bench today. MP said after the game that they couldn't be risked from the start. you don't start a player who might go down after 5 mins with an injury you know about. you don't start a player in the hope that he might make it to half time. you can bring a player on at half time if your chasing the game and need to. its common sense. why people think they know better about a players fitness than the manager I`ll never know.
to be honest if MP thinks he should start with or without certain players in whatever formation he choses I`ll back him. MP and his team watch hours and hours of footage on the oppo`s from every camera angle and are able to do so much more with the tape than we can at home.
we have come away from an away game with one of the in form teams in the league with a good point, a point most would have been happy with before the game. we played well for most of the game and but for a big mistake by hoover, for god sake man use your right foot and put it out!, it could have been a better result.
we are down to our third choice keeper not second and most teams would struggle if they were in that position. gazza is a young lad who could be a good keeper, yes hes made mistakes and we hope he learns from them. today he tried to clear the ball first time and miss hit it, maybe he learnt from AB after the arsenil game not to get caught with the ball?
we got hammered last year at Newcastle and this year we are unlucky not to win, think how much better it could have been if we were fully fit.
a nice easy game next sunday at home to spuds, who only beat us last year because of bale, I really think we an turn them over. lets hope spider lalla and fonte are all fit though.
I tend to agree with you, ECS101 but would take issue with your use of the word 'hammered' for last season. They had huge help in scoring their 4 goals; one was offside - but tbh would have been harshly ruled out - one was a freak OG and one was a dubious penalty.

As you say, it's no mean feat to go there with so many forced changes, when they are on such a good run and when, I gather, (I didn't see anything except MotD's limited efforts) the ref was once again somewhat 'unbalanced' with his judgments.

You're right about the comments about MP's selections getting criticised during the game. It shows how little we on here know. From a distance, (cue the song) we can all decide who to pick and then say 'I told you so' when one error leads to a goal. How was Hoover's performance if you take away his howler? From the little I know, he had a storming 89 1/2 minutes + stoppage time.

Spuds? There are no easy games in football (unless you're playing the skates, of course) but it's not a game we should fear.
Spuds have just been battered by Scouse 5 0 at home, they won't want that to happen again in a hurry.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Watched the first half highlights and more or less what we said, Newcastle huffed and puffed, but to be honest never really blew the house down, we just soaked up everything that they threw at us, just one mistake and that cost us dear. It wasn't pretty and we offered no threat up front.[/p][/quote]there are a few who moan that MP hasn't got a plan B and then when he changes formation, for tactical or injury reasons, people moan that hes changed formation ( some are the people who moan there is no plan B!). look at some of the comments, before during and after the game, about lalla spider and fonte being on the bench today. MP said after the game that they couldn't be risked from the start. you don't start a player who might go down after 5 mins with an injury you know about. you don't start a player in the hope that he might make it to half time. you can bring a player on at half time if your chasing the game and need to. its common sense. why people think they know better about a players fitness than the manager I`ll never know. to be honest if MP thinks he should start with or without certain players in whatever formation he choses I`ll back him. MP and his team watch hours and hours of footage on the oppo`s from every camera angle and are able to do so much more with the tape than we can at home. we have come away from an away game with one of the in form teams in the league with a good point, a point most would have been happy with before the game. we played well for most of the game and but for a big mistake by hoover, for god sake man use your right foot and put it out!, it could have been a better result. we are down to our third choice keeper not second and most teams would struggle if they were in that position. gazza is a young lad who could be a good keeper, yes hes made mistakes and we hope he learns from them. today he tried to clear the ball first time and miss hit it, maybe he learnt from AB after the arsenil game not to get caught with the ball? we got hammered last year at Newcastle and this year we are unlucky not to win, think how much better it could have been if we were fully fit. a nice easy game next sunday at home to spuds, who only beat us last year because of bale, I really think we an turn them over. lets hope spider lalla and fonte are all fit though.[/p][/quote]I tend to agree with you, ECS101 but would take issue with your use of the word 'hammered' for last season. They had huge help in scoring their 4 goals; one was offside - but tbh would have been harshly ruled out - one was a freak OG and one was a dubious penalty. As you say, it's no mean feat to go there with so many forced changes, when they are on such a good run and when, I gather, (I didn't see anything except MotD's limited efforts) the ref was once again somewhat 'unbalanced' with his judgments. You're right about the comments about MP's selections getting criticised during the game. It shows how little we on here know. From a distance, (cue the song) we can all decide who to pick and then say 'I told you so' when one error leads to a goal. How was Hoover's performance if you take away his howler? From the little I know, he had a storming 89 1/2 minutes + stoppage time. Spuds? There are no easy games in football (unless you're playing the skates, of course) but it's not a game we should fear.[/p][/quote]Spuds have just been battered by Scouse 5 0 at home, they won't want that to happen again in a hurry. OSPREYSAINT

6:17pm Sun 15 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Costa Baz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
swesaint wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Can't blame the players for the poor first half performance, as it was a tactical error by MP.

Just glad he had the cojones to correct it 2nd half.
Good point, in the end. Just hope the experiment of playing 2 strikers, now ends.
Every time we have used it, we have been lack lustre, only coming back into the game when going 1up top.
I am not sure it was an error, more forced by expedience, his resources are a bit limited, for some reason today the Wizard of Oz could not produce any spells, but MPs tactics worked in the end and we may even have pulled off an unexpected three pointer. Be thankfull for small mercies. When everyone is fully fit, I am sure we will be riding high once more.
Will have to agree, to disagree.

Lallana and Schneiderlin were both fit enough to play, as it turned out with the injury time, near on 55 minutes. So had MP wanted to play his normal formation, he could have used one of them first half and the other second, eliminating the need to change from the regular formation.

But as I said, he had the awareness to change it, and even a blind man couldn't fail to see how much more comfortable the whole team was, once the change was made, and they played the "Southampton Way".
I am basing my comment on what Poch said in the post match interview on Solent, I believe what he said justified the tactics.
I haven't yet seen his post match interview, so don't know his reasons for changing the way we normally play.
I just believe that one of the reasons we have done so well, this season, is because we generally play the same way, from the academy up, which is why we have been so consistent, even when injuries have caused the lineups to be changed.
First half, today, we looked like a bunch of strangers, at times, and that was due to the change of tactics.

Just an opinion.
We were away to the in form team in the league. How do you expect us to start. You don't just o away in the PL and dominate games.
Actually, we have proved that we do go away and dominate games.
My original point referred to the tactics that allowed us to dominate possession, in our own half, but readily concede possession in Newcastle's half, owing to the massive gap between the midfield and strikers. Something I predicted would happen on Friday, when people were clamouring for Osvaldo and Lambert both to start the game.

If playing 442 is MP's plan B, then we will have more first halves, like yesterday, to enjoy, but as only Chelsea have caused us problems, when we play the normal way, why change?
Table top management is simple, in reality Poch has a lot more to worry about, nothing wrong with your opinion though, but I can perceive flaws in your logic, I reserve the right to differ if I agreed with all that you said, we could both be wrong.
It would be a sad world if we all agreed.

Last comment from me, today re the 442, is that IMO, our worst performances to date have been at Norwich (all game), Liverpool (first half) and Newcastle (first half).

We also struggled at home against West Ham and had problems breaking down Palace.

All 5 games had Osvaldo and Lambert start the game and in all 5 games we struggled going forward , because we were hitting too many long balls. Just another opinion, but if we try 442 again, then one of the front two needs to be "nippier" than either Lambert or Osvaldo, so he can drop off short to receive the ball, and still have the pace to link up with his partner.

Wouldn't be surprised to see someone who can play like that, bought in January .
Would love to see it, know anyone suitable?
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swesaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Can't blame the players for the poor first half performance, as it was a tactical error by MP. Just glad he had the cojones to correct it 2nd half. Good point, in the end. Just hope the experiment of playing 2 strikers, now ends. Every time we have used it, we have been lack lustre, only coming back into the game when going 1up top.[/p][/quote]I am not sure it was an error, more forced by expedience, his resources are a bit limited, for some reason today the Wizard of Oz could not produce any spells, but MPs tactics worked in the end and we may even have pulled off an unexpected three pointer. Be thankfull for small mercies. When everyone is fully fit, I am sure we will be riding high once more.[/p][/quote]Will have to agree, to disagree. Lallana and Schneiderlin were both fit enough to play, as it turned out with the injury time, near on 55 minutes. So had MP wanted to play his normal formation, he could have used one of them first half and the other second, eliminating the need to change from the regular formation. But as I said, he had the awareness to change it, and even a blind man couldn't fail to see how much more comfortable the whole team was, once the change was made, and they played the "Southampton Way".[/p][/quote]I am basing my comment on what Poch said in the post match interview on Solent, I believe what he said justified the tactics.[/p][/quote]I haven't yet seen his post match interview, so don't know his reasons for changing the way we normally play. I just believe that one of the reasons we have done so well, this season, is because we generally play the same way, from the academy up, which is why we have been so consistent, even when injuries have caused the lineups to be changed. First half, today, we looked like a bunch of strangers, at times, and that was due to the change of tactics. Just an opinion.[/p][/quote]We were away to the in form team in the league. How do you expect us to start. You don't just o away in the PL and dominate games.[/p][/quote]Actually, we have proved that we do go away and dominate games. My original point referred to the tactics that allowed us to dominate possession, in our own half, but readily concede possession in Newcastle's half, owing to the massive gap between the midfield and strikers. Something I predicted would happen on Friday, when people were clamouring for Osvaldo and Lambert both to start the game. If playing 442 is MP's plan B, then we will have more first halves, like yesterday, to enjoy, but as only Chelsea have caused us problems, when we play the normal way, why change?[/p][/quote]Table top management is simple, in reality Poch has a lot more to worry about, nothing wrong with your opinion though, but I can perceive flaws in your logic, I reserve the right to differ if I agreed with all that you said, we could both be wrong.[/p][/quote]It would be a sad world if we all agreed. Last comment from me, today re the 442, is that IMO, our worst performances to date have been at Norwich (all game), Liverpool (first half) and Newcastle (first half). We also struggled at home against West Ham and had problems breaking down Palace. All 5 games had Osvaldo and Lambert start the game and in all 5 games we struggled going forward , because we were hitting too many long balls. Just another opinion, but if we try 442 again, then one of the front two needs to be "nippier" than either Lambert or Osvaldo, so he can drop off short to receive the ball, and still have the pace to link up with his partner. Wouldn't be surprised to see someone who can play like that, bought in January .[/p][/quote]Would love to see it, know anyone suitable? OSPREYSAINT

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