Winchester faces overcrowding problems with success of Christmas market

Basingstoke Gazette: Hoards of people have flocked in for this year's market Hoards of people have flocked in for this year's market

SERIOUS concerns have been raised over the success of the Winchester Cathedral Christmas market because of overcrowding and traffic.

Long queues and coach congestion have sparked unease that the market is becoming too big.

Some 37 coaches visited the city on November 30 alone, with 250 expected throughout December, bringing in thousands of people and a bonanza for shops, pubs and cafés.

The extra footfall is clear every day as people squeeze through the bottleneck entrance. Barriers and security guards usher the crowds with people waiting for 10-15 minutes before entering the Inner Close.

There have been severe traffic problems with frequent tailbacks around The Broadway and along Friarsgate for vehicles trying to enter the Brooks Centre car park.

City councillor Fiona Mather, whose ward includes the cathedral, said: “There are some serious capacity issues. The site is very constrained and we are, of course, a small city that has problems dealing with 37 coaches in a day.”

Cllr Ian Tait added: “I’ve no problem with the number of people, but it’s the management and forward planning that concerns me. I’d like assurances from the police and the fire service that they are happy. I am supportive of the market and I think it’s been great this year but it would be better running along The Square.”

A city council spokesman said: “Winchester is an extremely popular destination and so does get very busy. We recommend that people use public transport, walk, or use Park and Ride as a first choice”.

The cathedral is enjoying a huge financial boost from the market, which started around six years ago.

Around 100 exhibitors are at the market until December 22, each paying up to £9,984, plus a £12 daily surcharge for a prime location. This means the cathedral will potentially accrue between £364,000-£998,000 from the chalets alone. Last year, sales for the gift shop and catering rose by seven per cent and five per cent, raking in £467,000 and £899,000 respectively, according to the cathedral annual report.

A spokesman for Winchester Cathedral said: “It’s too early to comment in detail, but a strong marketing campaign, along with some very favourable weather, give us every indication that the popularity of the market and ice rink as part of the whole Christmas capital will stand up well.”

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10:24am Thu 12 Dec 13

JoLovegrove says...

I've lived in Winchester all of my life and I've been twice to this market and I really do not see what the fuss is about....it's not the best Christmas Market I've ever been to, full of stuff I wouldn't buy and if I did I'd find it cheaper on ebay! The crowds are ridiculous and and really not worth the stress...it's not an enjoyable experience and when you manage to wrestle your way out of there and hit the High Street with that other ridiculous market that goes up it, it's enough to turn you into a crazy Ninja ready to karate chop anyone that gets in your way! The traffic chaos it causes is horrendous. Thankfully I live within walking distance of town at the moment so we have put a ban on driving anywhere that goes near the Town Centre until Christmas is over!
I've lived in Winchester all of my life and I've been twice to this market and I really do not see what the fuss is about....it's not the best Christmas Market I've ever been to, full of stuff I wouldn't buy and if I did I'd find it cheaper on ebay! The crowds are ridiculous and and really not worth the stress...it's not an enjoyable experience and when you manage to wrestle your way out of there and hit the High Street with that other ridiculous market that goes up it, it's enough to turn you into a crazy Ninja ready to karate chop anyone that gets in your way! The traffic chaos it causes is horrendous. Thankfully I live within walking distance of town at the moment so we have put a ban on driving anywhere that goes near the Town Centre until Christmas is over! JoLovegrove

11:58am Thu 12 Dec 13

karter 1950 says...

another storm in a teacup if it's getting over crowded just move it to the front of the cathedral there is plenty of room no problem all sorted ......why does have to be sqeezed into where it is now.....
another storm in a teacup if it's getting over crowded just move it to the front of the cathedral there is plenty of room no problem all sorted ......why does have to be sqeezed into where it is now..... karter 1950

3:24pm Thu 12 Dec 13

SDF--- says...

For 5 weeks over Christmas it is pretty bad, took an hour and a half to get round the 1 way on Saturday morning. It will be like this all the time when they build 2,000 more homes
For 5 weeks over Christmas it is pretty bad, took an hour and a half to get round the 1 way on Saturday morning. It will be like this all the time when they build 2,000 more homes SDF---

4:02pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Mrsc24 says...

As a long term local I try and avoid the centre during the Hat Fair and Christmas Market times - this is not Winchester at it's best! However I am proud so many come from far to enjoy the lovely atmosphere - which, despite the crowds, it still has.

I feel there is a current push to grow Winchester at any cost which is a short sighted strategy and needs to be reviewed - it is a lovely place, but with such increased tourism and increases in housing it will be ruined and loose the essence of what draws people to it in the first place.
As a long term local I try and avoid the centre during the Hat Fair and Christmas Market times - this is not Winchester at it's best! However I am proud so many come from far to enjoy the lovely atmosphere - which, despite the crowds, it still has. I feel there is a current push to grow Winchester at any cost which is a short sighted strategy and needs to be reviewed - it is a lovely place, but with such increased tourism and increases in housing it will be ruined and loose the essence of what draws people to it in the first place. Mrsc24

5:20pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Yves1977 says...

Mrsc24 wrote:
As a long term local I try and avoid the centre during the Hat Fair and Christmas Market times - this is not Winchester at it's best! However I am proud so many come from far to enjoy the lovely atmosphere - which, despite the crowds, it still has.

I feel there is a current push to grow Winchester at any cost which is a short sighted strategy and needs to be reviewed - it is a lovely place, but with such increased tourism and increases in housing it will be ruined and loose the essence of what draws people to it in the first place.
Winchester has always changed - usually growing but also shrinking (between 15-17th centuries). It is wrong to freeze it in aspic like the selfish Barton Farm campaigners have done." I'm alright in my 1960s, 70s, 80s, house but no to any new ones"!
[quote][p][bold]Mrsc24[/bold] wrote: As a long term local I try and avoid the centre during the Hat Fair and Christmas Market times - this is not Winchester at it's best! However I am proud so many come from far to enjoy the lovely atmosphere - which, despite the crowds, it still has. I feel there is a current push to grow Winchester at any cost which is a short sighted strategy and needs to be reviewed - it is a lovely place, but with such increased tourism and increases in housing it will be ruined and loose the essence of what draws people to it in the first place.[/p][/quote]Winchester has always changed - usually growing but also shrinking (between 15-17th centuries). It is wrong to freeze it in aspic like the selfish Barton Farm campaigners have done." I'm alright in my 1960s, 70s, 80s, house but no to any new ones"! Yves1977

9:30pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Towag says...

It's a bloody nightmare for public transport.... Taxis are unable to get to the Broadway and side of Sainsbury's rank... That is why taxi users are waiting for ever to get a taxi at these designated ranks!! Cabbies are sick to death wasting precious fuel waiting in the jams!! Why Oh Why do Winchester **** Council not let Hackney cabbies use the bus lanes to access the ranks?? This is common sense in most other towns I've visited where this is the norm. Why is it so different here? Or is it WCC just don't like us cabbies?
It's a bloody nightmare for public transport.... Taxis are unable to get to the Broadway and side of Sainsbury's rank... That is why taxi users are waiting for ever to get a taxi at these designated ranks!! Cabbies are sick to death wasting precious fuel waiting in the jams!! Why Oh Why do Winchester **** Council not let Hackney cabbies use the bus lanes to access the ranks?? This is common sense in most other towns I've visited where this is the norm. Why is it so different here? Or is it WCC just don't like us cabbies? Towag

9:35pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Towag says...

JoLovegrove wrote:
I've lived in Winchester all of my life and I've been twice to this market and I really do not see what the fuss is about....it's not the best Christmas Market I've ever been to, full of stuff I wouldn't buy and if I did I'd find it cheaper on ebay! The crowds are ridiculous and and really not worth the stress...it's not an enjoyable experience and when you manage to wrestle your way out of there and hit the High Street with that other ridiculous market that goes up it, it's enough to turn you into a crazy Ninja ready to karate chop anyone that gets in your way! The traffic chaos it causes is horrendous. Thankfully I live within walking distance of town at the moment so we have put a ban on driving anywhere that goes near the Town Centre until Christmas is over!
Spot on Jo!! You want to see us cabbies go Hulk when it hits like a fecking avalanche!! No wonder we go "Green""!!
[quote][p][bold]JoLovegrove[/bold] wrote: I've lived in Winchester all of my life and I've been twice to this market and I really do not see what the fuss is about....it's not the best Christmas Market I've ever been to, full of stuff I wouldn't buy and if I did I'd find it cheaper on ebay! The crowds are ridiculous and and really not worth the stress...it's not an enjoyable experience and when you manage to wrestle your way out of there and hit the High Street with that other ridiculous market that goes up it, it's enough to turn you into a crazy Ninja ready to karate chop anyone that gets in your way! The traffic chaos it causes is horrendous. Thankfully I live within walking distance of town at the moment so we have put a ban on driving anywhere that goes near the Town Centre until Christmas is over![/p][/quote]Spot on Jo!! You want to see us cabbies go Hulk when it hits like a fecking avalanche!! No wonder we go "Green""!! Towag

12:02pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Deborah2 says...

Is not an obvious first step to stop the coaches from coming into the city and instead send them to the south park and ride? Their occupants can then be ferried in by the park and ride bus service which would in addition regulate the flow of people coming in. The coaches create a hazard anyway by blocking any view of traffic coming towards King Alf's statue from the Guildhall direction. It's only a matter of time before someone gets run over.
I also live within walking distance of the town but avoid going in at weekends at this time of year. So I hope the visitors are spending money, if the locals have to shop elsewhere.
Is not an obvious first step to stop the coaches from coming into the city and instead send them to the south park and ride? Their occupants can then be ferried in by the park and ride bus service which would in addition regulate the flow of people coming in. The coaches create a hazard anyway by blocking any view of traffic coming towards King Alf's statue from the Guildhall direction. It's only a matter of time before someone gets run over. I also live within walking distance of the town but avoid going in at weekends at this time of year. So I hope the visitors are spending money, if the locals have to shop elsewhere. Deborah2

12:12am Sun 15 Dec 13

guevara59 says...

Deborah2 wrote:
Is not an obvious first step to stop the coaches from coming into the city and instead send them to the south park and ride? Their occupants can then be ferried in by the park and ride bus service which would in addition regulate the flow of people coming in. The coaches create a hazard anyway by blocking any view of traffic coming towards King Alf's statue from the Guildhall direction. It's only a matter of time before someone gets run over.
I also live within walking distance of the town but avoid going in at weekends at this time of year. So I hope the visitors are spending money, if the locals have to shop elsewhere.
Why do people always have to moan when they know what living in a city is going to be like, especially when it is a major tourist attraction, moreover those same 'residents' would not be happy if Winchesters businesses were failing and boarded up like a lot of other areas round here - typical Britain when something actually goes right for a change you have to give the organisers a good kick in - what's the matter with you ?? As far as I can see the market was well organised with very helpful and polite stewards not ,Security Guards' who were helping to keep people safe when entering and leaving the market with the additional benefit of giving information on the market and city facilities. I also noted that the coaches were met by cathedral people in high viz who gave directions to the market and helped ensure that not everyone went in the same entrance - there are 3 entrances to the Cathedral as anyone who lives here is fully aware of - people should stop knocking peoples efforts to make Winchester prosperous until they know the facts and really should be grateful that the market has helped Winchesters Business community flourish in times of great hardship for many others in our country
[quote][p][bold]Deborah2[/bold] wrote: Is not an obvious first step to stop the coaches from coming into the city and instead send them to the south park and ride? Their occupants can then be ferried in by the park and ride bus service which would in addition regulate the flow of people coming in. The coaches create a hazard anyway by blocking any view of traffic coming towards King Alf's statue from the Guildhall direction. It's only a matter of time before someone gets run over. I also live within walking distance of the town but avoid going in at weekends at this time of year. So I hope the visitors are spending money, if the locals have to shop elsewhere.[/p][/quote]Why do people always have to moan when they know what living in a city is going to be like, especially when it is a major tourist attraction, moreover those same 'residents' would not be happy if Winchesters businesses were failing and boarded up like a lot of other areas round here - typical Britain when something actually goes right for a change you have to give the organisers a good kick in - what's the matter with you ?? As far as I can see the market was well organised with very helpful and polite stewards not ,Security Guards' who were helping to keep people safe when entering and leaving the market with the additional benefit of giving information on the market and city facilities. I also noted that the coaches were met by cathedral people in high viz who gave directions to the market and helped ensure that not everyone went in the same entrance - there are 3 entrances to the Cathedral as anyone who lives here is fully aware of - people should stop knocking peoples efforts to make Winchester prosperous until they know the facts and really should be grateful that the market has helped Winchesters Business community flourish in times of great hardship for many others in our country guevara59

12:30am Sun 15 Dec 13

guevara59 says...

Deborah2 wrote:
Is not an obvious first step to stop the coaches from coming into the city and instead send them to the south park and ride? Their occupants can then be ferried in by the park and ride bus service which would in addition regulate the flow of people coming in. The coaches create a hazard anyway by blocking any view of traffic coming towards King Alf's statue from the Guildhall direction. It's only a matter of time before someone gets run over.
I also live within walking distance of the town but avoid going in at weekends at this time of year. So I hope the visitors are spending money, if the locals have to shop elsewhere.
Why do people always have to moan when they know what living in a city is going to be like, especially when it is a major tourist attraction, moreover those same 'residents' would not be happy if Winchesters businesses were failing and boarded up like a lot of other areas round here - typical Britain when something actually goes right for a change you have to give the organisers a good kick in - what's the matter with you ?? As far as I can see the market was well organised with very helpful and polite stewards not ,Security Guards' who were helping to keep people safe when entering and leaving the market with the additional benefit of giving information on the market and city facilities. I also noted that the coaches were met by cathedral people in high viz who gave directions to the market and helped ensure that not everyone went in the same entrance - there are 3 entrances to the Cathedral as anyone who lives here is fully aware of - people should stop knocking peoples efforts to make Winchester prosperous until they know the facts and really should be grateful that the market has helped Winchesters Business community flourish in times of great hardship for many others in our country
[quote][p][bold]Deborah2[/bold] wrote: Is not an obvious first step to stop the coaches from coming into the city and instead send them to the south park and ride? Their occupants can then be ferried in by the park and ride bus service which would in addition regulate the flow of people coming in. The coaches create a hazard anyway by blocking any view of traffic coming towards King Alf's statue from the Guildhall direction. It's only a matter of time before someone gets run over. I also live within walking distance of the town but avoid going in at weekends at this time of year. So I hope the visitors are spending money, if the locals have to shop elsewhere.[/p][/quote]Why do people always have to moan when they know what living in a city is going to be like, especially when it is a major tourist attraction, moreover those same 'residents' would not be happy if Winchesters businesses were failing and boarded up like a lot of other areas round here - typical Britain when something actually goes right for a change you have to give the organisers a good kick in - what's the matter with you ?? As far as I can see the market was well organised with very helpful and polite stewards not ,Security Guards' who were helping to keep people safe when entering and leaving the market with the additional benefit of giving information on the market and city facilities. I also noted that the coaches were met by cathedral people in high viz who gave directions to the market and helped ensure that not everyone went in the same entrance - there are 3 entrances to the Cathedral as anyone who lives here is fully aware of - people should stop knocking peoples efforts to make Winchester prosperous until they know the facts and really should be grateful that the market has helped Winchesters Business community flourish in times of great hardship for many others in our country guevara59

12:31am Sun 15 Dec 13

guevara59 says...

JoLovegrove wrote:
I've lived in Winchester all of my life and I've been twice to this market and I really do not see what the fuss is about....it's not the best Christmas Market I've ever been to, full of stuff I wouldn't buy and if I did I'd find it cheaper on ebay! The crowds are ridiculous and and really not worth the stress...it's not an enjoyable experience and when you manage to wrestle your way out of there and hit the High Street with that other ridiculous market that goes up it, it's enough to turn you into a crazy Ninja ready to karate chop anyone that gets in your way! The traffic chaos it causes is horrendous. Thankfully I live within walking distance of town at the moment so we have put a ban on driving anywhere that goes near the Town Centre until Christmas is over!
Why do people always have to moan when they know what living in a city is going to be like, especially when it is a major tourist attraction, moreover those same 'residents' would not be happy if Winchesters businesses were failing and boarded up like a lot of other areas round here - typical Britain when something actually goes right for a change you have to give the organisers a good kick in - what's the matter with you ?? As far as I can see the market was well organised with very helpful and polite stewards not ,Security Guards' who were helping to keep people safe when entering and leaving the market with the additional benefit of giving information on the market and city facilities. I also noted that the coaches were met by cathedral people in high viz who gave directions to the market and helped ensure that not everyone went in the same entrance - there are 3 entrances to the Cathedral as anyone who lives here is fully aware of - people should stop knocking peoples efforts to make Winchester prosperous until they know the facts and really should be grateful that the market has helped Winchesters Business community flourish in times of great hardship for many others in our country
[quote][p][bold]JoLovegrove[/bold] wrote: I've lived in Winchester all of my life and I've been twice to this market and I really do not see what the fuss is about....it's not the best Christmas Market I've ever been to, full of stuff I wouldn't buy and if I did I'd find it cheaper on ebay! The crowds are ridiculous and and really not worth the stress...it's not an enjoyable experience and when you manage to wrestle your way out of there and hit the High Street with that other ridiculous market that goes up it, it's enough to turn you into a crazy Ninja ready to karate chop anyone that gets in your way! The traffic chaos it causes is horrendous. Thankfully I live within walking distance of town at the moment so we have put a ban on driving anywhere that goes near the Town Centre until Christmas is over![/p][/quote]Why do people always have to moan when they know what living in a city is going to be like, especially when it is a major tourist attraction, moreover those same 'residents' would not be happy if Winchesters businesses were failing and boarded up like a lot of other areas round here - typical Britain when something actually goes right for a change you have to give the organisers a good kick in - what's the matter with you ?? As far as I can see the market was well organised with very helpful and polite stewards not ,Security Guards' who were helping to keep people safe when entering and leaving the market with the additional benefit of giving information on the market and city facilities. I also noted that the coaches were met by cathedral people in high viz who gave directions to the market and helped ensure that not everyone went in the same entrance - there are 3 entrances to the Cathedral as anyone who lives here is fully aware of - people should stop knocking peoples efforts to make Winchester prosperous until they know the facts and really should be grateful that the market has helped Winchesters Business community flourish in times of great hardship for many others in our country guevara59

12:32am Sun 15 Dec 13

guevara59 says...

karter 1950 wrote:
another storm in a teacup if it's getting over crowded just move it to the front of the cathedral there is plenty of room no problem all sorted ......why does have to be sqeezed into where it is now.....
Why do people always have to moan when they know what living in a city is going to be like, especially when it is a major tourist attraction, moreover those same 'residents' would not be happy if Winchesters businesses were failing and boarded up like a lot of other areas round here - typical Britain when something actually goes right for a change you have to give the organisers a good kick in - what's the matter with you ?? As far as I can see the market was well organised with very helpful and polite stewards not ,Security Guards' who were helping to keep people safe when entering and leaving the market with the additional benefit of giving information on the market and city facilities. I also noted that the coaches were met by cathedral people in high viz who gave directions to the market and helped ensure that not everyone went in the same entrance - there are 3 entrances to the Cathedral as anyone who lives here is fully aware of - people should stop knocking peoples efforts to make Winchester prosperous until they know the facts and really should be grateful that the market has helped Winchesters Business community flourish in times of great hardship for many others in our country
[quote][p][bold]karter 1950[/bold] wrote: another storm in a teacup if it's getting over crowded just move it to the front of the cathedral there is plenty of room no problem all sorted ......why does have to be sqeezed into where it is now.....[/p][/quote]Why do people always have to moan when they know what living in a city is going to be like, especially when it is a major tourist attraction, moreover those same 'residents' would not be happy if Winchesters businesses were failing and boarded up like a lot of other areas round here - typical Britain when something actually goes right for a change you have to give the organisers a good kick in - what's the matter with you ?? As far as I can see the market was well organised with very helpful and polite stewards not ,Security Guards' who were helping to keep people safe when entering and leaving the market with the additional benefit of giving information on the market and city facilities. I also noted that the coaches were met by cathedral people in high viz who gave directions to the market and helped ensure that not everyone went in the same entrance - there are 3 entrances to the Cathedral as anyone who lives here is fully aware of - people should stop knocking peoples efforts to make Winchester prosperous until they know the facts and really should be grateful that the market has helped Winchesters Business community flourish in times of great hardship for many others in our country guevara59

12:33am Sun 15 Dec 13

guevara59 says...

Towag wrote:
It's a bloody nightmare for public transport.... Taxis are unable to get to the Broadway and side of Sainsbury's rank... That is why taxi users are waiting for ever to get a taxi at these designated ranks!! Cabbies are sick to death wasting precious fuel waiting in the jams!! Why Oh Why do Winchester **** Council not let Hackney cabbies use the bus lanes to access the ranks?? This is common sense in most other towns I've visited where this is the norm. Why is it so different here? Or is it WCC just don't like us cabbies?
Why do people always have to moan when they know what living in a city is going to be like, especially when it is a major tourist attraction, moreover those same 'residents' would not be happy if Winchesters businesses were failing and boarded up like a lot of other areas round here - typical Britain when something actually goes right for a change you have to give the organisers a good kick in - what's the matter with you ?? As far as I can see the market was well organised with very helpful and polite stewards not ,Security Guards' who were helping to keep people safe when entering and leaving the market with the additional benefit of giving information on the market and city facilities. I also noted that the coaches were met by cathedral people in high viz who gave directions to the market and helped ensure that not everyone went in the same entrance - there are 3 entrances to the Cathedral as anyone who lives here is fully aware of - people should stop knocking peoples efforts to make Winchester prosperous until they know the facts and really should be grateful that the market has helped Winchesters Business community flourish in times of great hardship for many others in our country
[quote][p][bold]Towag[/bold] wrote: It's a bloody nightmare for public transport.... Taxis are unable to get to the Broadway and side of Sainsbury's rank... That is why taxi users are waiting for ever to get a taxi at these designated ranks!! Cabbies are sick to death wasting precious fuel waiting in the jams!! Why Oh Why do Winchester **** Council not let Hackney cabbies use the bus lanes to access the ranks?? This is common sense in most other towns I've visited where this is the norm. Why is it so different here? Or is it WCC just don't like us cabbies?[/p][/quote]Why do people always have to moan when they know what living in a city is going to be like, especially when it is a major tourist attraction, moreover those same 'residents' would not be happy if Winchesters businesses were failing and boarded up like a lot of other areas round here - typical Britain when something actually goes right for a change you have to give the organisers a good kick in - what's the matter with you ?? As far as I can see the market was well organised with very helpful and polite stewards not ,Security Guards' who were helping to keep people safe when entering and leaving the market with the additional benefit of giving information on the market and city facilities. I also noted that the coaches were met by cathedral people in high viz who gave directions to the market and helped ensure that not everyone went in the same entrance - there are 3 entrances to the Cathedral as anyone who lives here is fully aware of - people should stop knocking peoples efforts to make Winchester prosperous until they know the facts and really should be grateful that the market has helped Winchesters Business community flourish in times of great hardship for many others in our country guevara59

12:38am Sun 15 Dec 13

guevara59 says...

Yves1977 wrote:
Mrsc24 wrote:
As a long term local I try and avoid the centre during the Hat Fair and Christmas Market times - this is not Winchester at it's best! However I am proud so many come from far to enjoy the lovely atmosphere - which, despite the crowds, it still has.

I feel there is a current push to grow Winchester at any cost which is a short sighted strategy and needs to be reviewed - it is a lovely place, but with such increased tourism and increases in housing it will be ruined and loose the essence of what draws people to it in the first place.
Winchester has always changed - usually growing but also shrinking (between 15-17th centuries). It is wrong to freeze it in aspic like the selfish Barton Farm campaigners have done." I'm alright in my 1960s, 70s, 80s, house but no to any new ones"!
Why do people always have to moan when they know what living in a city is going to be like, especially when it is a major tourist attraction, moreover those same 'residents' would not be happy if Winchesters businesses were failing and boarded up like a lot of other areas round here - typical Britain when something actually goes right for a change you have to give the organisers a good kick in - what's the matter with you ?? As far as I can see the market was well organised with very helpful and polite stewards not ,Security Guards' who were helping to keep people safe when entering and leaving the market with the additional benefit of giving information on the market and city facilities. I also noted that the coaches were met by cathedral people in high viz who gave directions to the market and helped ensure that not everyone went in the same entrance - there are 3 entrances to the Cathedral as anyone who lives here is fully aware of - people should stop knocking peoples efforts to make Winchester prosperous until they know the facts and really should be grateful that the market has helped Winchesters Business community flourish in times of great hardship for many others in our country
[quote][p][bold]Yves1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mrsc24[/bold] wrote: As a long term local I try and avoid the centre during the Hat Fair and Christmas Market times - this is not Winchester at it's best! However I am proud so many come from far to enjoy the lovely atmosphere - which, despite the crowds, it still has. I feel there is a current push to grow Winchester at any cost which is a short sighted strategy and needs to be reviewed - it is a lovely place, but with such increased tourism and increases in housing it will be ruined and loose the essence of what draws people to it in the first place.[/p][/quote]Winchester has always changed - usually growing but also shrinking (between 15-17th centuries). It is wrong to freeze it in aspic like the selfish Barton Farm campaigners have done." I'm alright in my 1960s, 70s, 80s, house but no to any new ones"![/p][/quote]Why do people always have to moan when they know what living in a city is going to be like, especially when it is a major tourist attraction, moreover those same 'residents' would not be happy if Winchesters businesses were failing and boarded up like a lot of other areas round here - typical Britain when something actually goes right for a change you have to give the organisers a good kick in - what's the matter with you ?? As far as I can see the market was well organised with very helpful and polite stewards not ,Security Guards' who were helping to keep people safe when entering and leaving the market with the additional benefit of giving information on the market and city facilities. I also noted that the coaches were met by cathedral people in high viz who gave directions to the market and helped ensure that not everyone went in the same entrance - there are 3 entrances to the Cathedral as anyone who lives here is fully aware of - people should stop knocking peoples efforts to make Winchester prosperous until they know the facts and really should be grateful that the market has helped Winchesters Business community flourish in times of great hardship for many others in our country guevara59

9:06am Sun 15 Dec 13

winchres says...

guevara59, please stop cutting and pasting!!!!!
guevara59, please stop cutting and pasting!!!!! winchres

1:22pm Sun 15 Dec 13

winchester resident says...

Guevara59, I don't think that the Chronicle article is a moan. It's an obvious point that there is an optimum size for en event in a constrained location.
Has the Christmas Market got to the optimum size or beyond for this location?
At times, yes the experience of attending the market is not as good as it should be for visitors and the traffic congestion is also bad. If you speak to the stall holders they tell you that it's more difficult to sell when the market is very densely packed at weekends.
Guevara59, I don't think that the Chronicle article is a moan. It's an obvious point that there is an optimum size for en event in a constrained location. Has the Christmas Market got to the optimum size or beyond for this location? At times, yes the experience of attending the market is not as good as it should be for visitors and the traffic congestion is also bad. If you speak to the stall holders they tell you that it's more difficult to sell when the market is very densely packed at weekends. winchester resident

3:34pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Towag says...

guevara59 wrote:
Yves1977 wrote:
Mrsc24 wrote:
As a long term local I try and avoid the centre during the Hat Fair and Christmas Market times - this is not Winchester at it's best! However I am proud so many come from far to enjoy the lovely atmosphere - which, despite the crowds, it still has.

I feel there is a current push to grow Winchester at any cost which is a short sighted strategy and needs to be reviewed - it is a lovely place, but with such increased tourism and increases in housing it will be ruined and loose the essence of what draws people to it in the first place.
Winchester has always changed - usually growing but also shrinking (between 15-17th centuries). It is wrong to freeze it in aspic like the selfish Barton Farm campaigners have done." I'm alright in my 1960s, 70s, 80s, house but no to any new ones"!
Why do people always have to moan when they know what living in a city is going to be like, especially when it is a major tourist attraction, moreover those same 'residents' would not be happy if Winchesters businesses were failing and boarded up like a lot of other areas round here - typical Britain when something actually goes right for a change you have to give the organisers a good kick in - what's the matter with you ?? As far as I can see the market was well organised with very helpful and polite stewards not ,Security Guards' who were helping to keep people safe when entering and leaving the market with the additional benefit of giving information on the market and city facilities. I also noted that the coaches were met by cathedral people in high viz who gave directions to the market and helped ensure that not everyone went in the same entrance - there are 3 entrances to the Cathedral as anyone who lives here is fully aware of - people should stop knocking peoples efforts to make Winchester prosperous until they know the facts and really should be grateful that the market has helped Winchesters Business community flourish in times of great hardship for many others in our country
The problem is too much brings the whole lot to a grinding halt and that is where the problems start... If provision was made to deal with it instead of sticking plaster as it always is, maybe it would be better tolerated and things would run more smoothly instead of the utter frustration it actually causes...Winchester has a traffic problem as is plainly seen which only adds to the utter frustration caused. Try telling your view of it to the bus drivers , cabbies and all those car users who experience it to agree with you and you'll soon see why!! But its obvious you live in cloud cuckoo land by your daft comments...
[quote][p][bold]guevara59[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yves1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mrsc24[/bold] wrote: As a long term local I try and avoid the centre during the Hat Fair and Christmas Market times - this is not Winchester at it's best! However I am proud so many come from far to enjoy the lovely atmosphere - which, despite the crowds, it still has. I feel there is a current push to grow Winchester at any cost which is a short sighted strategy and needs to be reviewed - it is a lovely place, but with such increased tourism and increases in housing it will be ruined and loose the essence of what draws people to it in the first place.[/p][/quote]Winchester has always changed - usually growing but also shrinking (between 15-17th centuries). It is wrong to freeze it in aspic like the selfish Barton Farm campaigners have done." I'm alright in my 1960s, 70s, 80s, house but no to any new ones"![/p][/quote]Why do people always have to moan when they know what living in a city is going to be like, especially when it is a major tourist attraction, moreover those same 'residents' would not be happy if Winchesters businesses were failing and boarded up like a lot of other areas round here - typical Britain when something actually goes right for a change you have to give the organisers a good kick in - what's the matter with you ?? As far as I can see the market was well organised with very helpful and polite stewards not ,Security Guards' who were helping to keep people safe when entering and leaving the market with the additional benefit of giving information on the market and city facilities. I also noted that the coaches were met by cathedral people in high viz who gave directions to the market and helped ensure that not everyone went in the same entrance - there are 3 entrances to the Cathedral as anyone who lives here is fully aware of - people should stop knocking peoples efforts to make Winchester prosperous until they know the facts and really should be grateful that the market has helped Winchesters Business community flourish in times of great hardship for many others in our country[/p][/quote]The problem is too much brings the whole lot to a grinding halt and that is where the problems start... If provision was made to deal with it instead of sticking plaster as it always is, maybe it would be better tolerated and things would run more smoothly instead of the utter frustration it actually causes...Winchester has a traffic problem as is plainly seen which only adds to the utter frustration caused. Try telling your view of it to the bus drivers , cabbies and all those car users who experience it to agree with you and you'll soon see why!! But its obvious you live in cloud cuckoo land by your daft comments... Towag

11:30am Mon 16 Dec 13

jonone says...

Yves1977 wrote:
Mrsc24 wrote: As a long term local I try and avoid the centre during the Hat Fair and Christmas Market times - this is not Winchester at it's best! However I am proud so many come from far to enjoy the lovely atmosphere - which, despite the crowds, it still has. I feel there is a current push to grow Winchester at any cost which is a short sighted strategy and needs to be reviewed - it is a lovely place, but with such increased tourism and increases in housing it will be ruined and loose the essence of what draws people to it in the first place.
Winchester has always changed - usually growing but also shrinking (between 15-17th centuries). It is wrong to freeze it in aspic like the selfish Barton Farm campaigners have done." I'm alright in my 1960s, 70s, 80s, house but no to any new ones"!
So, all the schools, the hospital and doctors/dentists have capacity to accept 2,000 extra households?

I cannot say that Winchester should never grow, but Barton Farm is a horrendous proposal that will significantly damage Winchester as a whole. Writing opposition off as "nimbyism" shows a lack of intellect and capability of rational thought.
[quote][p][bold]Yves1977[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mrsc24[/bold] wrote: As a long term local I try and avoid the centre during the Hat Fair and Christmas Market times - this is not Winchester at it's best! However I am proud so many come from far to enjoy the lovely atmosphere - which, despite the crowds, it still has. I feel there is a current push to grow Winchester at any cost which is a short sighted strategy and needs to be reviewed - it is a lovely place, but with such increased tourism and increases in housing it will be ruined and loose the essence of what draws people to it in the first place.[/p][/quote]Winchester has always changed - usually growing but also shrinking (between 15-17th centuries). It is wrong to freeze it in aspic like the selfish Barton Farm campaigners have done." I'm alright in my 1960s, 70s, 80s, house but no to any new ones"![/p][/quote]So, all the schools, the hospital and doctors/dentists have capacity to accept 2,000 extra households? I cannot say that Winchester should never grow, but Barton Farm is a horrendous proposal that will significantly damage Winchester as a whole. Writing opposition off as "nimbyism" shows a lack of intellect and capability of rational thought. jonone

7:37pm Mon 16 Dec 13

chumpster says...

What the city really needs is a landfill site, operational by Jan 1st, to dispose of all the tat bought at the various markets...
What the city really needs is a landfill site, operational by Jan 1st, to dispose of all the tat bought at the various markets... chumpster

9:53pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Towag says...

chumpster wrote:
What the city really needs is a landfill site, operational by Jan 1st, to dispose of all the tat bought at the various markets...
LOL!!
[quote][p][bold]chumpster[/bold] wrote: What the city really needs is a landfill site, operational by Jan 1st, to dispose of all the tat bought at the various markets...[/p][/quote]LOL!! Towag

9:36am Tue 24 Dec 13

AndyWinch says...

The Christmas market is alright if you like that sort of thing.

It's the everyday market selling low-cost tack on the high street that really causes congestion - it makes whole lines of shops almost inaccessible on a busy Saturday.

It used to be interesting when it was monthly, or even weekly - but it's just the same stalls now almost every flipping day!
The Christmas market is alright if you like that sort of thing. It's the everyday market selling low-cost tack on the high street that really causes congestion - it makes whole lines of shops almost inaccessible on a busy Saturday. It used to be interesting when it was monthly, or even weekly - but it's just the same stalls now almost every flipping day! AndyWinch

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