Second wind farm scheme near Winchester

Basingstoke Gazette: Second wind farm scheme near Winchester Second wind farm scheme near Winchester

COUNTRYSIDE campaigners are gearing up for battle against a second wind farm in the Hampshire Downs.

Energy firm TCI has applied to Basingstoke and Deane Borough Council for permission to put six 130-metre tall turbines at Woodmancott, near Micheldever.

It comes just months after a planning application from energy giant EDF Energy Renewables for a wind farm at nearby Bullington Cross, north of Winchester.

The Campaign For the Protection of Rural England (CPRE) has warned the giant turbines will spoil the Hampshire Downs and could put the wider countryside at risk by setting a precedent.

They estimate the Woodmancott turbines – which will be taller than Big Ben – will be visible for 20 miles around.

Peter Bedford, chairman of CPRE Hampshire, said: “With this and another major wind farm application already pending at neighbouring Bullington Cross, we are witnessing the potential proliferation of industrial scale development in beautiful, unspoilt Hampshire countryside.”

Protestors have launched a “SOS Save Our Scenic Hampshire Downland” campaign to protest against the plans.

But energy companies say wind turbines are important source of renewable energy. New sources of energy are needed to replace coal and nuclear plants which are closing.

Wind farms also have the support of green groups, including Winchester Action On Climate Changes, who argue they will reduce carbon emissions.

The deadline for public comments on the Woodmancott turbines has been extended to August 14.

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9:23am Fri 19 Jul 13

save energy says...

Never mind if they spoil the view for 20 miles…tourists can go elsewhere for that.

Do they supply us with the energy we need at a cost we can afford …NO

As I write this, the UKs entire 4,844 wind turbine fleet is producing-
just … 1.5 % of demand – that’s a pathetic 6% production/capacity factor.
Sewage gas is producing 4x as much energy as wind.

BUT making loads of cash for wind developers (mainly foreign), & prices are set to rise yet again to pay for it all.
UK governments new strike prices (£/MWh) for 2014 – June 27, 2013
£155/MWh for offshore wind, £100/MWh Onshore wind
yet the Av wholesale price last 12 mth = £47/MWh
http://tinyurl.com/q
z3b6qm"
WE pay the £100 difference !!!
they dont even pay tax !!!

See – (put into favorites & check regularly)
1 - This site gives Live UK Grid status - demand & generation by all fuels.….. now + Day, Wk, Mth, Yr, history.
Caution *, the scales are all different so don’t compare at first glance !! Look at the figures !!
http://www.gridwatch
.templar.co.uk/
(Nb; for a % - it’s the fuel output x 100 / demand.
Eg; wind 0.4GW, demand 38.26 GW, so wind % = 1% )

2 - Interactive switch-able graph showing Live UK Grid status - demand & generation by all fuels. (top line = demand, bottom green line = wind )
http://www.ukpowerge
neration.info/

3 - Map of Europe showing RWE’s ‘green’ plants – live production data –
– nb capacity in MW but output looks more in kW
http://www.rwe.com/w
eb/cms/en/206488/rwe
-innogy/sites/produc
tion-data-live/rwe-r
enewable-energy-live
/

Do they cost us money -YES
Are the subsidies a scam – YES
Are they a good investment for the developer – YES
Do they cut CO2 – NO
Do they give reliable energy - NO
Do they give energy security - NO
Are they fit for purpose - NO
Should we build more – NO

They are the wrong technology for the job, chosen by ill-informed politicians, not engineers.
Never mind if they spoil the view for 20 miles…tourists can go elsewhere for that. Do they supply us with the energy we need at a cost we can afford …NO As I write this, the UKs entire 4,844 wind turbine fleet is producing- just … 1.5 % of demand – that’s a pathetic 6% production/capacity factor. Sewage gas is producing 4x as much energy as wind. BUT making loads of cash for wind developers (mainly foreign), & prices are set to rise yet again to pay for it all. UK governments new strike prices (£/MWh) for 2014 – June 27, 2013 £155/MWh for offshore wind, £100/MWh Onshore wind yet the Av wholesale price last 12 mth = £47/MWh http://tinyurl.com/q z3b6qm" WE pay the £100 difference !!! they dont even pay tax !!! See – (put into favorites & check regularly) 1 - This site gives Live UK Grid status - demand & generation by all fuels.….. now + Day, Wk, Mth, Yr, history. Caution *, the scales are all different so don’t compare at first glance !! Look at the figures !! http://www.gridwatch .templar.co.uk/ (Nb; for a % - it’s the fuel output x 100 / demand. Eg; wind 0.4GW, demand 38.26 GW, so wind % = 1% ) 2 - Interactive switch-able graph showing Live UK Grid status - demand & generation by all fuels. (top line = demand, bottom green line = wind ) http://www.ukpowerge neration.info/ 3 - Map of Europe showing RWE’s ‘green’ plants – live production data – [It’s a manual refresh] – nb capacity in MW but output looks more in kW http://www.rwe.com/w eb/cms/en/206488/rwe -innogy/sites/produc tion-data-live/rwe-r enewable-energy-live / Do they cost us money -YES Are the subsidies a scam – YES Are they a good investment for the developer – YES Do they cut CO2 – NO Do they give reliable energy - NO Do they give energy security - NO Are they fit for purpose - NO Should we build more – NO They are the wrong technology for the job, chosen by ill-informed politicians, not engineers. save energy
  • Score: -1

11:59am Fri 19 Jul 13

Miss Chardonnay says...

I love wind turbines, they're so majestic! They're also not permanent so we can move them around the country so everyone gets a chance to see these elegant towers in action
I love wind turbines, they're so majestic! They're also not permanent so we can move them around the country so everyone gets a chance to see these elegant towers in action Miss Chardonnay
  • Score: 1

1:35pm Fri 19 Jul 13

winchres says...

Miss Chardonnay, if you think they are more majestic than open countryside I think you may have had just a little too much of the Chardonnay.
Miss Chardonnay, if you think they are more majestic than open countryside I think you may have had just a little too much of the Chardonnay. winchres
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1:57pm Fri 19 Jul 13

save energy says...

Miss Chardonnay wrote:
I love wind turbines, they're so majestic! They're also not permanent so we can move them around the country so everyone gets a chance to see these elegant towers in action
( “I love wind turbines, they're so majestic!” )

Well giraffes are majestic, & (like wind turbines), are tall and elegant and use natural sources of energy,
But, they are not much use if you need a cart horse.


( “They're also not permanent” )
True …..many have collapsed in strong winds.
http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/earth/energy/
windpower/9837026/Wi
nd-turbine-collapses
-in-high-wind.html
http://www.independe
nt.ie/irish-news/saf
ety-concerns-after-w
ind-turbine-snaps-an
d-falls-during-storm
-29151242.html
& here’s 96 pg pdf of turbine accidents
http://preview.tinyu
rl.com/n8fkjqy

But the reinforced concrete foundations (up to 1,500 tones each ) & tens of thousands of tons of hardcore are permanent.
The CO2 produced by that lot negates any reduction the windmill makes.


( “so we can move them around the country so everyone gets a chance to see these elegant towers in action” )

We would all love to see them in action (they are costing us a fortune ) !!!
But sadly they don’t work that often - see the grid figures & DECC stats for proof !!
[quote][p][bold]Miss Chardonnay[/bold] wrote: I love wind turbines, they're so majestic! They're also not permanent so we can move them around the country so everyone gets a chance to see these elegant towers in action[/p][/quote]( “I love wind turbines, they're so majestic!” ) Well giraffes are majestic, & (like wind turbines), are tall and elegant and use natural sources of energy, But, they are not much use if you need a cart horse. ( “They're also not permanent” ) True …..many have collapsed in strong winds. http://www.telegraph .co.uk/earth/energy/ windpower/9837026/Wi nd-turbine-collapses -in-high-wind.html http://www.independe nt.ie/irish-news/saf ety-concerns-after-w ind-turbine-snaps-an d-falls-during-storm -29151242.html & here’s 96 pg pdf of turbine accidents http://preview.tinyu rl.com/n8fkjqy But the reinforced concrete foundations (up to 1,500 tones each ) & tens of thousands of tons of hardcore are permanent. The CO2 produced by that lot negates any reduction the windmill makes. ( “so we can move them around the country so everyone gets a chance to see these elegant towers in action” ) We would all love to see them in action (they are costing us a fortune ) !!! But sadly they don’t work that often - see the grid figures & DECC stats for proof !! save energy
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11:53am Sat 20 Jul 13

NickDavisGB says...

If the choice is between wind farms or fracking, give me wind farms any time.
If the choice is between wind farms or fracking, give me wind farms any time. NickDavisGB
  • Score: 1

2:35pm Mon 22 Jul 13

Lib Lob says...

winchres wrote:
Miss Chardonnay, if you think they are more majestic than open countryside I think you may have had just a little too much of the Chardonnay.
Majestic, graceful, yes indeed - certainly more so than any fossil fuel burning power station. Fancy a nuclear power station on your doorstep? Thought not.
[quote][p][bold]winchres[/bold] wrote: Miss Chardonnay, if you think they are more majestic than open countryside I think you may have had just a little too much of the Chardonnay.[/p][/quote]Majestic, graceful, yes indeed - certainly more so than any fossil fuel burning power station. Fancy a nuclear power station on your doorstep? Thought not. Lib Lob
  • Score: 1

11:29pm Mon 22 Jul 13

save energy says...

Lib Lob says... ( “Fancy a nuclear power station on your doorstep? Thought not.” )

I have a nuclear power station & 72 industrial wind turbines (Capacity Factor ≈ 23%), within spiting distance of my house, over the last few weeks the wind turdbins have hardly moved.


The nuclear power station (Capacity Factor ≈ 90%), has produced energy consistently & reliably for 40 yrs (apart from planed maintenance shutdowns ), Produces 94 x the energy in approx 1/20th of the space the windmills cover. At ¼ the price of wind power & almost no CO2 emissions.

So to answer your question ….YES
Lib Lob says... ( “Fancy a nuclear power station on your doorstep? Thought not.” ) I have a nuclear power station & 72 industrial wind turbines (Capacity Factor ≈ 23%), within spiting distance of my house, over the last few weeks the wind turdbins have hardly moved. [ just checked their current production …24kW… only enough for 3 power showers !!!! that’s just 0.07 % of their rated output (33MW) ] The nuclear power station (Capacity Factor ≈ 90%), has produced energy consistently & reliably for 40 yrs (apart from planed maintenance shutdowns ), Produces 94 x the energy in approx 1/20th of the space the windmills cover. At ¼ the price of wind power & almost no CO2 emissions. So to answer your question ….YES save energy
  • Score: -1

9:23am Mon 29 Jul 13

littletown says...

I was glad SOS Hampshire Downs put a card through my door about this - it drew my attention to this new scheme so I could support it.
I was glad SOS Hampshire Downs put a card through my door about this - it drew my attention to this new scheme so I could support it. littletown
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