Sunday trading has social cost, says Bishop of Basingstoke (From Basingstoke Gazette)

Basingstoke has a Bishop?!

Hahahahaha!

Sam_Walker 123456 wrote:
Basingstoke has a Bishop?!

Hahahahaha!

In the pack of Bishops (cards) He's the Joker card.

Nothing personal to him though I don't know him

but I don't see why Basingstoke has a bishop.

Who cares what vicarage has to say, the church is just for weddings, funerals and getting lectured to at baptisms! I don't reaally agree with extending Sunday trading, but not for religious reasons. Reminds me of when they banned tobacco ads. The forms became more profitable, because all they were doing was matching the advertising spend of rivals pound for pound just to stay still. Supermarkets would all have to stay open as long as their rivals, paying wages etc. with consumers not spending that much more than they did before.

With the Working Time Directive in place sunday trading allows more flexibility to workers and shoppers and therefore individuals and families. The bishop's opinions are not backed up by facts and figures but religious belief. Something which has increasingly less relevance nowadays.

Buster makes some good points.
I would gladly give up my Sundays in order to have time off in the week. What is special about Sunday anyway? If it is sunny then half the population sits in traffic jams trying to get to the coast and if it is wet they sit at home or go shopping.
Extending Sunday trading will not change anything much. It will not alter our habits by much and it certainly will not have much impact on the economy. Those who already work on Sunday will probably work longer hours but get time off in lieu - in fact many workers might welcome the change because they will work and be paid for 8 hours instead of 6 but still spend the same time and money on getting to and from work.

RgPostcode wrote:

Sam_Walker 123456 wrote: Basingstoke has a Bishop?! Hahahahaha!

In the pack of Bishops (cards) He's the Joker card. Nothing personal to him though I don't know him but I don't see why Basingstoke has a bishop.

Basingstoke is in the Winchester diocese. Your Bishop is an assistant and subordinate to the Bishop of Winchester.
So your comment, 'I don't see why Basingstoke has a bishop' is like saying, 'I don't see why my bank has an assistant manager.'

Hmmm I'm not sure the bishop is actually opposing this on religious grounds as suggested above!

I would suggest reading the article carefully (and perhaps slowly!) before attacking someone for making statements that are figments of your imagination.

I feel the family unit is already under too much pressure and never agreed to sunday trading, it can and does take at least one member of the family away from that unit for little more than minimum wage just to please people who can buy their goods on another day or evening or on line and have it delivered, and unlike hospitals etc it is not an essential service

robertspet8 wrote:

RgPostcode wrote:

Sam_Walker 123456 wrote: Basingstoke has a Bishop?! Hahahahaha!

In the pack of Bishops (cards) He's the Joker card. Nothing personal to him though I don't know him but I don't see why Basingstoke has a bishop.

Basingstoke is in the Winchester diocese. Your Bishop is an assistant and subordinate to the Bishop of Winchester.
So your comment, 'I don't see why Basingstoke has a bishop' is like saying, 'I don't see why my bank has an assistant manager.'

He's nothing to do with me - I don't have or want a bishop. I assume this 'service' isn't costing me any money?

Folkestone Saint wrote:
I feel the family unit is already under too much pressure and never agreed to sunday trading, it can and does take at least one member of the family away from that unit for little more than minimum wage just to please people who can buy their goods on another day or evening or on line and have it delivered, and unlike hospitals etc it is not an essential service

What is your defiintion of 'the family unit' and what pressures are they under which would be solved by stopping Sunday Trading?

robertspet8 wrote:

RgPostcode wrote:

Sam_Walker 123456 wrote: Basingstoke has a Bishop?! Hahahahaha!

In the pack of Bishops (cards) He's the Joker card. Nothing personal to him though I don't know him but I don't see why Basingstoke has a bishop.

Basingstoke is in the Winchester diocese. Your Bishop is an assistant and subordinate to the Bishop of Winchester.
So your comment, 'I don't see why Basingstoke has a bishop' is like saying, 'I don't see why my bank has an assistant manager.'

No, that is not like saying that at all.

As an employee of a shop I loved Sunday working hours but as a shopper I hate them. However, me as an Employee makes me want them to stay how they're.

A large supermarket says no, and all the rest say nothing, sounds like a bad idea to me.

stevemac1970 wrote:
A large supermarket says no, and all the rest say nothing, sounds like a bad idea to me.

Beautifully illustrated!

robertspet8 wrote:

RgPostcode wrote:

Sam_Walker 123456 wrote: Basingstoke has a Bishop?! Hahahahaha!

In the pack of Bishops (cards) He's the Joker card. Nothing personal to him though I don't know him but I don't see why Basingstoke has a bishop.

Basingstoke is in the Winchester diocese. Your Bishop is an assistant and subordinate to the Bishop of Winchester.
So your comment, 'I don't see why Basingstoke has a bishop' is like saying, 'I don't see why my bank has an assistant manager.'

You normally talk a lot of sense, but that's a poor analogy. He's called the bishop, not the assistant bishop. I don't want to bash the bishop, I've listened to him speak and he seemed like a decent guy, but if he's an assistant he should have a different job title.

GC31 wrote:

robertspet8 wrote:

RgPostcode wrote:

Sam_Walker 123456 wrote: Basingstoke has a Bishop?! Hahahahaha!

In the pack of Bishops (cards) He's the Joker card. Nothing personal to him though I don't know him but I don't see why Basingstoke has a bishop.

Basingstoke is in the Winchester diocese. Your Bishop is an assistant and subordinate to the Bishop of Winchester.
So your comment, 'I don't see why Basingstoke has a bishop' is like saying, 'I don't see why my bank has an assistant manager.'

You normally talk a lot of sense, but that's a poor analogy. He's called the bishop, not the assistant bishop. I don't want to bash the bishop, I've listened to him speak and he seemed like a decent guy, but if he's an assistant he should have a different job title.

lol

Sam_Walker123456 wrote:

Folkestone Saint wrote:
I feel the family unit is already under too much pressure and never agreed to sunday trading, it can and does take at least one member of the family away from that unit for little more than minimum wage just to please people who can buy their goods on another day or evening or on line and have it delivered, and unlike hospitals etc it is not an essential service

What is your defiintion of 'the family unit' and what pressures are they under which would be solved by stopping Sunday Trading?

I may be old fashioned but my unit is my son daughter wife and myself, if one of us is always working (missing from) when the others are not that could lead to the break-down of our unit as it would become normal for at least one not to be there imo, there-fore I do not shop on Sundays

GC31 wrote:

robertspet8 wrote:

RgPostcode wrote:

Sam_Walker 123456 wrote: Basingstoke has a Bishop?! Hahahahaha!

In the pack of Bishops (cards) He's the Joker card. Nothing personal to him though I don't know him but I don't see why Basingstoke has a bishop.

Basingstoke is in the Winchester diocese. Your Bishop is an assistant and subordinate to the Bishop of Winchester. So your comment, 'I don't see why Basingstoke has a bishop' is like saying, 'I don't see why my bank has an assistant manager.'

You normally talk a lot of sense, but that's a poor analogy. He's called the bishop, not the assistant bishop. I don't want to bash the bishop, I've listened to him speak and he seemed like a decent guy, but if he's an assistant he should have a different job title.

Thank you for the back handed compliment.
OK I admit it is not the best analogy. However he does have a different title to the Bishop of Winchester. But even if he didn't what difference would it make and what confusion would it cause? Would any of us treat either of them any differently?
I remember when nearly every bank branch had a manager who reported to another manager at the main branch. To the customer the distinction in their titles was the same as the distinction in the Bishops' titles - the address (Bishop of Basingstoke, Manager of Barclays Fleet, etc.). They were all called managers and as a customer I only became aware of the bank's hierarchy when my loan request was passed up to a higher authority by my 'local' manager.
The bank knew the difference between its managers in the same way that the CofE knows the difference between its bishops and there is nothing for us mere mortals to worry about.

Folkestone Saint wrote:

Sam_Walker123456 wrote:

Folkestone Saint wrote: I feel the family unit is already under too much pressure and never agreed to sunday trading, it can and does take at least one member of the family away from that unit for little more than minimum wage just to please people who can buy their goods on another day or evening or on line and have it delivered, and unlike hospitals etc it is not an essential service

What is your defiintion of 'the family unit' and what pressures are they under which would be solved by stopping Sunday Trading?

I may be old fashioned but my unit is my son daughter wife and myself, if one of us is always working (missing from) when the others are not that could lead to the break-down of our unit as it would become normal for at least one not to be there imo, there-fore I do not shop on Sundays

Old fashioned? 'No!' Fortunate? 'Yes!'
It sounds as though you have good family ties and you would stick together regardless of the Sunday Trading Laws.
However I do not think Sunday Trading is the reason for the breakdown of families. You have to look closer to home and see what family members are doing: TV, Computer Games, Social Networks, Mobiles, etc. They all intrude into family life whereas you have to get off you bum to go to the shops!
As to shop workers - they are already doing the job and it would only mean longer hours on a Sunday for them which would be more economic for them.
Anyway I would say shops provide an essential service - just try living without them for a month!