Plans for 500 houses and a supermarket go on display

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TRAFFIC was the main concern when villagers had a close look at plans for 500 houses and a supermarket in Hook.

The two-day public exhibition saw more than 400 people come to Hook Community Centre, in Ravenscroft.

As reported in The Gazette, Hart District Council earmarked land to the north east of Hook for a development which will include a supermarket.

The site is at the junction of the B3349 Griffin Way North and A30 London Road.

Representatives from joint developers Croudace Strategic and David Wilson Homes, as well as from Sainsbury’s, were on hand to answer questions.

Paul Pankhurst, a civil engineer from Oak Tree Drive, was not impressed with the plans, and said development would lead to noise pollution and traffic problems.

The 29-year-old added: “I have real concerns that this number of houses will have a detrimental effect on our already overstretched facilities.”

Mandy Lancashire, 49, of Ravenscroft, said: “Since we moved here, we have always known that that land would be built on. But the traffic is bad now, what’s it going to be like when all this is built?”

Laurence Whitehouse, of Night-ingale Gardens, also had reservations about the traffic, but on balance, he welcomed the proposals.

The 68-year-old said: “I think it’s a good idea that Hook has another store to compete with Tesco. I think Hart has to have some more development.”

Martin Harrop, planning manager at Croudace Strategic, said the effect on traffic was the main issue for residents.

He added: “This whole process is about taking on board people’s views.

“Our highways team will have to look at all the points made. It’s certainly been a very good turnout.”

No planning application has yet been submitted for the site, although the district council previously told The Gazette that a supermarket could be built there within the next four years.

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11:33am Fri 23 Nov 12

poi000 says...

Hook has outgrown Tesco, we need another supermarket.
Shame it isn't Waitrose though.
Hook has outgrown Tesco, we need another supermarket. Shame it isn't Waitrose though. poi000
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12:45pm Fri 23 Nov 12

AndrewRH says...

I am not familiar with the area; but may I ask if the plans include bicycle routes so that people who choose to, can nip to the shop to pick up what they need (unlike with car, people travelling by bike may well often just nip into shop to get what they need that day rather than loading up with week's worth -- there's always home delivery or cargo bikes for that if so desired).

A bicycle route would also benefit getting around the area for other destinations. That would reduce the need to use the car for the short in-town journeys.

Thank you in advance for enlightenment on this...
I am not familiar with the area; but may I ask if the plans include bicycle routes so that people who choose to, can nip to the shop to pick up what they need (unlike with car, people travelling by bike may well often just nip into shop to get what they need that day rather than loading up with week's worth -- there's always home delivery or cargo bikes for that if so desired). A bicycle route would also benefit getting around the area for other destinations. That would reduce the need to use the car for the short in-town journeys. Thank you in advance for enlightenment on this... AndrewRH
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6:52pm Fri 23 Nov 12

Best_Name_Ever says...

Just out if interest Andrew RH - if cycle routes are not being provided as part of this development, would you be objecting to an application for an area you are not familiar with that is also outside of your Borough?
Just out if interest Andrew RH - if cycle routes are not being provided as part of this development, would you be objecting to an application for an area you are not familiar with that is also outside of your Borough? Best_Name_Ever
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11:46pm Sat 24 Nov 12

BugBear says...

Where are all the people coming from, just does not make sense to me. Years ago the average number of children in a family was four, now its two. Bit of a puzzle don't you think.
Where are all the people coming from, just does not make sense to me. Years ago the average number of children in a family was four, now its two. Bit of a puzzle don't you think. BugBear
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9:50pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Best_Name_Ever says...

Are you suggesting BugBear that developers are just building houses for the sake of it? Where is the profit in that?
Are you suggesting BugBear that developers are just building houses for the sake of it? Where is the profit in that? Best_Name_Ever
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3:07am Tue 27 Nov 12

RgPostcode says...

poi000 wrote:
Hook has outgrown Tesco, we need another supermarket.
Shame it isn't Waitrose though.
Get a Secondary school and Hook can be The richest Tesco town...

Yeah a Place like Hart (least deprived borough in Britain) should have a Waitrose

Not only that but even if you break down England into 32,400 segments Hart is mostly filled with the least deprived areas.

Anyway Hook was meant to be what Basingstoke became, but allas Lord Portsmouth of the time had hunting feilds around Hook.
[quote][p][bold]poi000[/bold] wrote: Hook has outgrown Tesco, we need another supermarket. Shame it isn't Waitrose though.[/p][/quote]Get a Secondary school and Hook can be The richest Tesco town... Yeah a Place like Hart (least deprived borough in Britain) should have a Waitrose Not only that but even if you break down England into 32,400 segments Hart is mostly filled with the least deprived areas. Anyway Hook was meant to be what Basingstoke became, but allas Lord Portsmouth of the time had hunting feilds around Hook. RgPostcode
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3:11pm Tue 27 Nov 12

AndrewRH says...

Hi Best_Name_Ever,
I do live in the B&DBC borough.

The planning system allows for 'comments' which are neither 'supporting' nor 'objecting'.

People can comment on applications pretty much anywhere in the country as far as I know - for example, an area in London that I travel to had an application a while back about putting in a Boris Bike station and I wrote in to the Westminster council on it -- in the end the application was approved and soon our MPs will have one less excuse not to hop on a bicycle!
Hi Best_Name_Ever, I do live in the B&DBC borough. The planning system allows for 'comments' which are neither 'supporting' nor 'objecting'. People can comment on applications pretty much anywhere in the country as far as I know - for example, an area in London that I travel to had an application a while back about putting in a Boris Bike station and I wrote in to the Westminster council on it -- in the end the application was approved and soon our MPs will have one less excuse not to hop on a bicycle! AndrewRH
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11:00am Wed 28 Nov 12

Best_Name_Ever says...

AndrewRH, I am aware you live in the BDBC Borough, the proposed development in in Hart Borough.

And you are correct - the planning system does allow for comments from people all over the country. I was just wondering if you would object to the development in the absence of a cycle scheme.
AndrewRH, I am aware you live in the BDBC Borough, the proposed development in in Hart Borough. And you are correct - the planning system does allow for comments from people all over the country. I was just wondering if you would object to the development in the absence of a cycle scheme. Best_Name_Ever
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11:23am Wed 28 Nov 12

AndrewRH says...

Hi Best_Name_Ever, if I were to comment then it would likely be as a comment (neither oppose or support).
I hope that council has signed up to the Manual For Streets V2?

http://tinyurl.com/c
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Hi Best_Name_Ever, if I were to comment then it would likely be as a comment (neither oppose or support). I hope that council has signed up to the Manual For Streets V2? http://tinyurl.com/c 4p5nbd AndrewRH
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11:34am Wed 28 Nov 12

Buster Preciation says...

BugBear wrote:
Where are all the people coming from, just does not make sense to me. Years ago the average number of children in a family was four, now its two. Bit of a puzzle don't you think.
I have often wondered the same thing. The population is increasing but very slowly. When you consider all the new developments that have sprung up in the borough and around Basingstoke over the last couple of decades it is amazing that there is a demand.
The only answer can be that it's not the number of people but the way in which people are living their lives. Singles are now buying when previously they stayed with their parents or shared a house for example. If that is the case then we don't need more houses - people just want more houses. They are very different things. Land is the ultimate in non-renewable resource - it should be developed only when there is a real need.
[quote][p][bold]BugBear[/bold] wrote: Where are all the people coming from, just does not make sense to me. Years ago the average number of children in a family was four, now its two. Bit of a puzzle don't you think.[/p][/quote]I have often wondered the same thing. The population is increasing but very slowly. When you consider all the new developments that have sprung up in the borough and around Basingstoke over the last couple of decades it is amazing that there is a demand. The only answer can be that it's not the number of people but the way in which people are living their lives. Singles are now buying when previously they stayed with their parents or shared a house for example. If that is the case then we don't need more houses - people just want more houses. They are very different things. Land is the ultimate in non-renewable resource - it should be developed only when there is a real need. Buster Preciation
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3:07pm Wed 28 Nov 12

Hooked on you says...

) Increased traffic on already congested roads and junctions.
2) noise and light pollution eliminating from the store 24 hours a day 7 days a week.
3) Loss of greenfield space
4) Increased commuter parking in surrounding roads due to reduction of Long stay parking facilities
6) Disruption, noise and dust due to building works for over a year while the building works are on.
7) The total lack of architectural integrity, in that it will be a steel and glass monstrosity totally out if keeping with the locality.
8) Reduction in house prices and difficulty in selling due to the nearby location of the store
etc....

Do I have to say anymore
) Increased traffic on already congested roads and junctions. 2) noise and light pollution eliminating from the store 24 hours a day 7 days a week. 3) Loss of greenfield space 4) Increased commuter parking in surrounding roads due to reduction of Long stay parking facilities 6) Disruption, noise and dust due to building works for over a year while the building works are on. 7) The total lack of architectural integrity, in that it will be a steel and glass monstrosity totally out if keeping with the locality. 8) Reduction in house prices and difficulty in selling due to the nearby location of the store etc.... Do I have to say anymore Hooked on you
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8:21am Fri 30 Nov 12

Buster Preciation says...

Yes, go on say more please.
Bear in mind your No.8 is not an acceptable reason for an objection.
Yes, go on say more please. Bear in mind your No.8 is not an acceptable reason for an objection. Buster Preciation
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4:55am Mon 3 Dec 12

TLKK14 says...

I agree with Buster, please do say more! Your points are quite unfounded for the location of the development!

Yes there will obviously be increase traffic, but these are hardly massively congested roads currently! In fact this may call for a better managed junction.
I think those that actually live in hearing distance of the proposed store, would have already been used to all those lorries that used to be going in and out from the haulage yard before it closed.
I find point 4 to be completely irrelevant to this site.... what reduction of parking facilities? It's fields and a couple of houses currently, and the commuters seem very happy to shirk paying for parking in the village anyway as the car park in the centre of the village is always empty!
As for the dust and noise, there are very few houses close enough to experience any impact from the actual building works, and it's hardly a busy pedestrian area, is it?
I don't think a supermarket will offend the eyes of the community too much, how else do they look? It can hardly be said that the houses nearby are architecturally magnificent. That side of hook is modern and uniform anyway, it is hardly detracting from the character of those housing estates. Surely more amenities in the area would make the houses more desirable? Everyone loves choice! :)

I think some people need to have a hard look at what they object to so much!? I bet barely anyone even noticed that plot of land before now, so it's hardly ruining anything. Development isn't something many people of Hook can really complain about, or your housing estates wouldn't even exist (Just think ourselves lucky we didn't end up as Basingstoke!)
I agree with Buster, please do say more! Your points are quite unfounded for the location of the development! Yes there will obviously be increase traffic, but these are hardly massively congested roads currently! In fact this may call for a better managed junction. I think those that actually live in hearing distance of the proposed store, would have already been used to all those lorries that used to be going in and out from the haulage yard before it closed. I find point 4 to be completely irrelevant to this site.... what reduction of parking facilities? It's fields and a couple of houses currently, and the commuters seem very happy to shirk paying for parking in the village anyway as the car park in the centre of the village is always empty! As for the dust and noise, there are very few houses close enough to experience any impact from the actual building works, and it's hardly a busy pedestrian area, is it? I don't think a supermarket will offend the eyes of the community too much, how else do they look? It can hardly be said that the houses nearby are architecturally magnificent. That side of hook is modern and uniform anyway, it is hardly detracting from the character of those housing estates. Surely more amenities in the area would make the houses more desirable? Everyone loves choice! :) I think some people need to have a hard look at what they object to so much!? I bet barely anyone even noticed that plot of land before now, so it's hardly ruining anything. Development isn't something many people of Hook can really complain about, or your housing estates wouldn't even exist (Just think ourselves lucky we didn't end up as Basingstoke!) TLKK14
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1:48pm Sun 9 Dec 12

hampshire16 says...

As a real true local born a stone's throw from the development site it does pain me to see some of the objections stated which are either totally irrelevent or NIMBY. The Previous quote from TLKK14 is spot on. The reading road is an under utilised road, Hooks Traffic problem is the bartley wood business park getting in and out of hook first thing in the morning and last thing at night,as a village we do not see much benefit of this park as the business rates go to hampshire and not local councils, except in employment which is a good thing so it would be nice if traffic could get in and out of there and through to reading quicker.
As regard to the noise element is Tesco's noisy? no it is not, do people really struggle to pull out of rectory road? probably at certain times, are the lorries noisy going into Tesco's the answer is no, Rawlings next door are not a nuisence so why would the odd delivery lorry be,most people in the village did not even know a haulage business was operating so good was RM Page at keeping disruption to locals at a minimum, and the fact is there are lorries in and out of there all day now still and no one complains proves to me that most people in Hook have not given that parcel of land any thought whatsoever until now.parking facilities, its 2 bungalows,a house and a field and yard what as it to do with parking? crossways is always empty,both greene king pubs now have parking meters so now the old white hart as a meter the parade fills up even at nights,the commuters still park and obstruct on all roads in the village and walk to the station now this needs dealing with!
dust and noise,yes there will be some but when the majority of us will be at work so whats the issue?
architectural integrity, well we can all spot a Charles Church or a Martin Grant house can we not? they are all the same,they are estate housing.
I don't see the value of housing going down, when they carried out all the development in the 80's it forced prices up so much so most local's i went to school with had to buy in Chineham and leave where they grew up.
I was talking to a friend last night who also grew up in the village, we both live on 80's built Sheldons, if our houses were not built we would not have been able to live here and our children would not have grown up here and go to the first class school's which incidently is a reason people want to move to hook, for hook schools and RMS catchment.
My Grandparents fought against Hook being developed 60 years ago,Basingstoke got turned into the London overspill instead, don't blame the need for housing,the M3/M4 corridor and the Waterloo line has caused Hook to expand and most of us that have lived around here all our lives have excepted it, it is time for the newby's to do the same.
And i will add that if someone at Hart Council 10-15 years ago had not told the family of one pocket of land that they had no chance of building the 4 houses they wanted for the family to live in and be together, but would talk if they want to build 26 no one would be discussing a sainsburys now.
As a real true local born a stone's throw from the development site it does pain me to see some of the objections stated which are either totally irrelevent or NIMBY. The Previous quote from TLKK14 is spot on. The reading road is an under utilised road, Hooks Traffic problem is the bartley wood business park getting in and out of hook first thing in the morning and last thing at night,as a village we do not see much benefit of this park as the business rates go to hampshire and not local councils, except in employment which is a good thing so it would be nice if traffic could get in and out of there and through to reading quicker. As regard to the noise element is Tesco's noisy? no it is not, do people really struggle to pull out of rectory road? probably at certain times, are the lorries noisy going into Tesco's the answer is no, Rawlings next door are not a nuisence so why would the odd delivery lorry be,most people in the village did not even know a haulage business was operating so good was RM Page at keeping disruption to locals at a minimum, and the fact is there are lorries in and out of there all day now still and no one complains proves to me that most people in Hook have not given that parcel of land any thought whatsoever until now.parking facilities, its 2 bungalows,a house and a field and yard what as it to do with parking? crossways is always empty,both greene king pubs now have parking meters so now the old white hart as a meter the parade fills up even at nights,the commuters still park and obstruct on all roads in the village and walk to the station now this needs dealing with! dust and noise,yes there will be some but when the majority of us will be at work so whats the issue? architectural integrity, well we can all spot a Charles Church or a Martin Grant house can we not? they are all the same,they are estate housing. I don't see the value of housing going down, when they carried out all the development in the 80's it forced prices up so much so most local's i went to school with had to buy in Chineham and leave where they grew up. I was talking to a friend last night who also grew up in the village, we both live on 80's built Sheldons, if our houses were not built we would not have been able to live here and our children would not have grown up here and go to the first class school's which incidently is a reason people want to move to hook, for hook schools and RMS catchment. My Grandparents fought against Hook being developed 60 years ago,Basingstoke got turned into the London overspill instead, don't blame the need for housing,the M3/M4 corridor and the Waterloo line has caused Hook to expand and most of us that have lived around here all our lives have excepted it, it is time for the newby's to do the same. And i will add that if someone at Hart Council 10-15 years ago had not told the family of one pocket of land that they had no chance of building the 4 houses they wanted for the family to live in and be together, but would talk if they want to build 26 no one would be discussing a sainsburys now. hampshire16
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