Tesco supermarket plan rejected

CAMPAIGNERS are celebrating after a controversial plan to build a new Tesco supermarket in Basingstoke was rejected.

The supermarket giant applied to build a new 63,000 sq ft store on the old Smiths Industries site in Harrow Way.

On Wednesday evening, members of the development control committee at Basingstoke and Deane Borough Council rejected the plan. Their reasons included its effect on local shops and concerns about £4.2million worth of highway improvements to the Brighton Hill roundabout.

Planning officers had recommended the plan for approval.

More than 30 objectors turned up to the meeting at the Civic Offices to make their feelings known.

For the full story, see The Gazette on Monday.

 

 

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8:07am Thu 26 Jul 12

Best_Name_Ever says...

Well, it looks like the majority of Brighton Hill turned up to the Committee! I wait the appeal with baited breath.
Well, it looks like the majority of Brighton Hill turned up to the Committee! I wait the appeal with baited breath. Best_Name_Ever
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8:23am Thu 26 Jul 12

Beats108 says...

Probably all the non drivers that dont have a clue what a nightmare that roundabout can be at times, some people live to much in the past and hate change
Probably all the non drivers that dont have a clue what a nightmare that roundabout can be at times, some people live to much in the past and hate change Beats108
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10:18am Thu 26 Jul 12

jbee37 says...

Of course, the Asda store two minutes away doesn't affect local stores does it?
Of course, the Asda store two minutes away doesn't affect local stores does it? jbee37
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10:23am Thu 26 Jul 12

Beats108 says...

Exactly, this would of created lots of jobs for the local area and reduced the un-employment in the town but hey nobody cares about that apart from there own self!!!
Exactly, this would of created lots of jobs for the local area and reduced the un-employment in the town but hey nobody cares about that apart from there own self!!! Beats108
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10:47am Thu 26 Jul 12

TheGrasshopper says...

Ridiculous decision, don't get me wrong I am not someone who believes in supermarkets for the sake of supermarkets but one of the many examples I can think of; people living locally could have walked to pick up those little items instead of getting in a car and driving to say Asda's, Morrison's or Sainsbury's. Just makes me mad at the short sightedness of local politics over common sense.
Ridiculous decision, don't get me wrong I am not someone who believes in supermarkets for the sake of supermarkets but one of the many examples I can think of; people living locally could have walked to pick up those little items instead of getting in a car and driving to say Asda's, Morrison's or Sainsbury's. Just makes me mad at the short sightedness of local politics over common sense. TheGrasshopper
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1:05pm Thu 26 Jul 12

DCSharps says...

TheGrasshopper wrote:
Ridiculous decision, don't get me wrong I am not someone who believes in supermarkets for the sake of supermarkets but one of the many examples I can think of; people living locally could have walked to pick up those little items instead of getting in a car and driving to say Asda's, Morrison's or Sainsbury's. Just makes me mad at the short sightedness of local politics over common sense.
Whilst I see your point. I think your being naive, local people will still drive there, maybe out of convenience, maybe out of laziness.
[quote][p][bold]TheGrasshopper[/bold] wrote: Ridiculous decision, don't get me wrong I am not someone who believes in supermarkets for the sake of supermarkets but one of the many examples I can think of; people living locally could have walked to pick up those little items instead of getting in a car and driving to say Asda's, Morrison's or Sainsbury's. Just makes me mad at the short sightedness of local politics over common sense.[/p][/quote]Whilst I see your point. I think your being naive, local people will still drive there, maybe out of convenience, maybe out of laziness. DCSharps
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2:35pm Thu 26 Jul 12

TheGrasshopper says...

DCSharps wrote:
TheGrasshopper wrote:
Ridiculous decision, don't get me wrong I am not someone who believes in supermarkets for the sake of supermarkets but one of the many examples I can think of; people living locally could have walked to pick up those little items instead of getting in a car and driving to say Asda's, Morrison's or Sainsbury's. Just makes me mad at the short sightedness of local politics over common sense.
Whilst I see your point. I think your being naive, local people will still drive there, maybe out of convenience, maybe out of laziness.
If you read my comments completely you would have noted I said "one of the many examples I can think of". I will take an apology for your rather rude assumption regarding naivety! One further note on laziness is it "you're" or "your"!
[quote][p][bold]DCSharps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheGrasshopper[/bold] wrote: Ridiculous decision, don't get me wrong I am not someone who believes in supermarkets for the sake of supermarkets but one of the many examples I can think of; people living locally could have walked to pick up those little items instead of getting in a car and driving to say Asda's, Morrison's or Sainsbury's. Just makes me mad at the short sightedness of local politics over common sense.[/p][/quote]Whilst I see your point. I think your being naive, local people will still drive there, maybe out of convenience, maybe out of laziness.[/p][/quote]If you read my comments completely you would have noted I said "one of the many examples I can think of". I will take an apology for your rather rude assumption regarding naivety! One further note on laziness is it "you're" or "your"! TheGrasshopper
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2:47pm Thu 26 Jul 12

Opinions_opinions says...

Hooray ...well done to the Development Control Commitee. I assume these people are not paid up members of the Basingstoke Tory Party and actually listen to the majority of local residents who opposed the plan. Happy days ....
Hooray ...well done to the Development Control Commitee. I assume these people are not paid up members of the Basingstoke Tory Party and actually listen to the majority of local residents who opposed the plan. Happy days .... Opinions_opinions
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2:55pm Thu 26 Jul 12

robertspet8 says...

TheGrasshopper wrote, 'people living locally could have walked to pick up those little items instead of getting in a car and driving to say Asda's, Morrison's or Sainsbury's'.
By extending this logic they should build a supermarket within walking distance of all people. Surely the local shops are there to supply the little items to the local community.
I have no opinion about whether or not they should build a supermarket on this site, but they should use it for something. It is ridiculous to have this large, empty brown field site when we are still digging up the countryside. Although I am not naive enough to believe any development of this site will stop any green field development.
TheGrasshopper wrote, 'people living locally could have walked to pick up those little items instead of getting in a car and driving to say Asda's, Morrison's or Sainsbury's'. By extending this logic they should build a supermarket within walking distance of all people. Surely the local shops are there to supply the little items to the local community. I have no opinion about whether or not they should build a supermarket on this site, but they should use it for something. It is ridiculous to have this large, empty brown field site when we are still digging up the countryside. Although I am not naive enough to believe any development of this site will stop any green field development. robertspet8
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3:01pm Thu 26 Jul 12

Pacifier says...

Yet another stupid planning decision by this Tory Admin...I'm sure Tesco will win their appeal, and us suckers will pick up the legal costs!
Yet another stupid planning decision by this Tory Admin...I'm sure Tesco will win their appeal, and us suckers will pick up the legal costs! Pacifier
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4:11pm Thu 26 Jul 12

deepinsight says...

Best_Name_Ever wrote:
Well, it looks like the majority of Brighton Hill turned up to the Committee! I wait the appeal with baited breath.
Holy Halitosis - I do hope you meant bated breath, or are you planning to keep people away with your oral offensiveness?
[quote][p][bold]Best_Name_Ever[/bold] wrote: Well, it looks like the majority of Brighton Hill turned up to the Committee! I wait the appeal with baited breath.[/p][/quote]Holy Halitosis - I do hope you meant bated breath, or are you planning to keep people away with your oral offensiveness? deepinsight
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5:13pm Thu 26 Jul 12

JayBee's says...

I would like to thank the support from the local community and the BDBC which has stopped Tesco from putting local shops under threat.
As for people in support of Tesco, have a good look at the plans. Yes the new road works might speed up the area, but at the cost of safety to children who have to cross six, yes six crossings to get to school !!! Even with the road improvements, the extra traffic generated by Tesco will wipe out any gain plus putting more pressure on Kempshott and Winchester Rd roundabouts. As for so called job creation, do you really think that Asda, Sainsbury's and Morrisons won't cut their staff if Tesco take away 25% of their trade!!!!!!
Once again great result last night, so say no to TESCOSTOKE!!!!!!
I would like to thank the support from the local community and the BDBC which has stopped Tesco from putting local shops under threat. As for people in support of Tesco, have a good look at the plans. Yes the new road works might speed up the area, but at the cost of safety to children who have to cross six, yes six crossings to get to school !!! Even with the road improvements, the extra traffic generated by Tesco will wipe out any gain plus putting more pressure on Kempshott and Winchester Rd roundabouts. As for so called job creation, do you really think that Asda, Sainsbury's and Morrisons won't cut their staff if Tesco take away 25% of their trade!!!!!! Once again great result last night, so say no to TESCOSTOKE!!!!!! JayBee's
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5:20pm Thu 26 Jul 12

adiebb says...

deepinsight wrote:
Best_Name_Ever wrote: Well, it looks like the majority of Brighton Hill turned up to the Committee! I wait the appeal with baited breath.
Holy Halitosis - I do hope you meant bated breath, or are you planning to keep people away with your oral offensiveness?
Either spelling is acceptable nowadays actually. :-)
[quote][p][bold]deepinsight[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Best_Name_Ever[/bold] wrote: Well, it looks like the majority of Brighton Hill turned up to the Committee! I wait the appeal with baited breath.[/p][/quote]Holy Halitosis - I do hope you meant bated breath, or are you planning to keep people away with your oral offensiveness?[/p][/quote]Either spelling is acceptable nowadays actually. :-) adiebb
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9:38pm Thu 26 Jul 12

shame says...

well at least the little shops can carry on charging a kings ransom for a can of coke phew they nearly had to give up two of their merc's
well at least the little shops can carry on charging a kings ransom for a can of coke phew they nearly had to give up two of their merc's shame
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9:18am Fri 27 Jul 12

stevemac1970 says...

I read all these comments about the people of Brightonhill and how they are affected by this decision, how the drive home will be worse, yet there are as good as no comments about those coming off the M3 J7 to the kings road area, also will use the same roads with issues, or maybe work in asda and live in the western way area, have people missed the positive effect on them by the developer spending over £4m on improvements to local roads. Change is never easy, but if we continue to build new houses and not improve the infrastructure then we pay a much bigger price, not least the price of all those legal begals waiting to make a killing out of the inevitable appeal. Let's forget jobs, forget roads and ask the question, what else will be cut from your services to pay the councils losses in this sorry corner they have now backed themselves into?...... Time has the answer!
I read all these comments about the people of Brightonhill and how they are affected by this decision, how the drive home will be worse, yet there are as good as no comments about those coming off the M3 J7 to the kings road area, also will use the same roads with issues, or maybe work in asda and live in the western way area, have people missed the positive effect on them by the developer spending over £4m on improvements to local roads. Change is never easy, but if we continue to build new houses and not improve the infrastructure then we pay a much bigger price, not least the price of all those legal begals waiting to make a killing out of the inevitable appeal. Let's forget jobs, forget roads and ask the question, what else will be cut from your services to pay the councils losses in this sorry corner they have now backed themselves into?...... Time has the answer! stevemac1970
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9:21am Fri 27 Jul 12

JayBee's says...

shame wrote:
well at least the little shops can carry on charging a kings ransom for a can of coke phew they nearly had to give up two of their merc's
Typical, just proves you don't shop locally. Try 55p for a can...rrp 70p!2L Milk and bread any 2 for £2.00. Better than most supermarkets.
Like to see you "shame" working 60 plus hours a week!!!
Plus local shops are for a top up for shopping, hence convenience store !!!
[quote][p][bold]shame[/bold] wrote: well at least the little shops can carry on charging a kings ransom for a can of coke phew they nearly had to give up two of their merc's[/p][/quote]Typical, just proves you don't shop locally. Try 55p for a can...rrp 70p!2L Milk and bread any 2 for £2.00. Better than most supermarkets. Like to see you "shame" working 60 plus hours a week!!! Plus local shops are for a top up for shopping, hence convenience store !!! JayBee's
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10:15am Fri 27 Jul 12

klorane says...

stevemac 1970

Well that's funny, because 4 million pounds is the amount spent out of the B.C. capital fund for the purchase of the Manydown land. That's in addition to the 1 million pounds from the housing fund, the remaining 5 million from the C.C. I believe.

What a coincidence! We now have to have private developers pay for all our road improvements.
stevemac 1970 Well that's funny, because 4 million pounds is the amount spent out of the B.C. capital fund for the purchase of the Manydown land. That's in addition to the 1 million pounds from the housing fund, the remaining 5 million from the C.C. I believe. What a coincidence! We now have to have private developers pay for all our road improvements. klorane
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12:18pm Fri 27 Jul 12

Buster Preciation says...

Klorane, change the record. We heard you the first few times.
Shops don't make traffic, people make traffic. Double the population and you double the amount of people going to the shop and everywhere else. Keep the population the same and double the amount of shops and the traffic doesn't change - we don't suddenly need more food. If anything the overall traffic will decrease as average travel times to a shop decrease.
Klorane, change the record. We heard you the first few times. Shops don't make traffic, people make traffic. Double the population and you double the amount of people going to the shop and everywhere else. Keep the population the same and double the amount of shops and the traffic doesn't change - we don't suddenly need more food. If anything the overall traffic will decrease as average travel times to a shop decrease. Buster Preciation
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12:23pm Fri 27 Jul 12

JayBee's says...

Buster Preciation wrote:
Klorane, change the record. We heard you the first few times.
Shops don't make traffic, people make traffic. Double the population and you double the amount of people going to the shop and everywhere else. Keep the population the same and double the amount of shops and the traffic doesn't change - we don't suddenly need more food. If anything the overall traffic will decrease as average travel times to a shop decrease.
Not true I'm afraid as big supermarkets draw more traffic into a specific area, like Brighton Hill roundabout. Also why would people want to shop at the old Tesco store? So they then travel to the new store which is even more traffic.........comm
on sense !!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Buster Preciation[/bold] wrote: Klorane, change the record. We heard you the first few times. Shops don't make traffic, people make traffic. Double the population and you double the amount of people going to the shop and everywhere else. Keep the population the same and double the amount of shops and the traffic doesn't change - we don't suddenly need more food. If anything the overall traffic will decrease as average travel times to a shop decrease.[/p][/quote]Not true I'm afraid as big supermarkets draw more traffic into a specific area, like Brighton Hill roundabout. Also why would people want to shop at the old Tesco store? So they then travel to the new store which is even more traffic.........comm on sense !!!!! JayBee's
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12:53pm Fri 27 Jul 12

Mr_Kipling says...

"30 objectors turned up"

Wow......

So our local overpaid and underworked lay ward councillors cited a reasons as 'effect on local shops'.

Is this the same set of councillors that allowed two chemists 150 feet apart, a Domino Pizza just round the corner from Herbies, and a Fish & Chip shop just behind an existing takeaway - all in Brighton Hill Centre ???

Something very very fishy, and very anti-competitive about this. Perhaps a 'special relationship' with the Walmart group, eh?

So we lose much needed jobs and choice, well done B&DBC for speaking up for the tiny minority - you seem to have a habit of holding the larger part of the local populas to ransom based on the whining of the verbose few.
"30 objectors turned up" Wow...... So our local overpaid and underworked lay ward councillors cited a reasons as 'effect on local shops'. Is this the same set of councillors that allowed two chemists 150 feet apart, a Domino Pizza just round the corner from Herbies, and a Fish & Chip shop just behind an existing takeaway - all in Brighton Hill Centre ??? Something very very fishy, and very anti-competitive about this. Perhaps a 'special relationship' with the Walmart group, eh? So we lose much needed jobs and choice, well done B&DBC for speaking up for the tiny minority - you seem to have a habit of holding the larger part of the local populas to ransom based on the whining of the verbose few. Mr_Kipling
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1:36pm Fri 27 Jul 12

stevemac1970 says...

klorane wrote:
stevemac 1970 Well that's funny, because 4 million pounds is the amount spent out of the B.C. capital fund for the purchase of the Manydown land. That's in addition to the 1 million pounds from the housing fund, the remaining 5 million from the C.C. I believe. What a coincidence! We now have to have private developers pay for all our road improvements.
In fairness to the council, it is normal for a large development to pay for that kind of work in order to counter the impact on the local community. They don't always get it right what they expect from the developer. 2 rather pathetic painted roundabouts on buckskin lane out of the budget for the building of the ridgeway centre is a classic example. The other point with getting it wrong with traffic in the area is pack lane humps, I spent hours printing leaflets about how the Tories were getting rid of them, just vote us in, they were still there yesterday when I drove down there. We all struggle to trust because we all feel deceived by those who take the decisions, maybe we would struggle less if they were more open and honest with us all.
[quote][p][bold]klorane[/bold] wrote: stevemac 1970 Well that's funny, because 4 million pounds is the amount spent out of the B.C. capital fund for the purchase of the Manydown land. That's in addition to the 1 million pounds from the housing fund, the remaining 5 million from the C.C. I believe. What a coincidence! We now have to have private developers pay for all our road improvements.[/p][/quote]In fairness to the council, it is normal for a large development to pay for that kind of work in order to counter the impact on the local community. They don't always get it right what they expect from the developer. 2 rather pathetic painted roundabouts on buckskin lane out of the budget for the building of the ridgeway centre is a classic example. The other point with getting it wrong with traffic in the area is pack lane humps, I spent hours printing leaflets about how the Tories were getting rid of them, just vote us in, they were still there yesterday when I drove down there. We all struggle to trust because we all feel deceived by those who take the decisions, maybe we would struggle less if they were more open and honest with us all. stevemac1970
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2:08pm Fri 27 Jul 12

Buster Preciation says...

JayBee's wrote:
Buster Preciation wrote:
Klorane, change the record. We heard you the first few times.
Shops don't make traffic, people make traffic. Double the population and you double the amount of people going to the shop and everywhere else. Keep the population the same and double the amount of shops and the traffic doesn't change - we don't suddenly need more food. If anything the overall traffic will decrease as average travel times to a shop decrease.
Not true I'm afraid as big supermarkets draw more traffic into a specific area, like Brighton Hill roundabout. Also why would people want to shop at the old Tesco store? So they then travel to the new store which is even more traffic.........comm

on sense !!!!!
There will be an initial spike of interest but shops don't stay new for long. Corporate branding means that once inside you won't even know which side of town you are on. That's common sense.
[quote][p][bold]JayBee's[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buster Preciation[/bold] wrote: Klorane, change the record. We heard you the first few times. Shops don't make traffic, people make traffic. Double the population and you double the amount of people going to the shop and everywhere else. Keep the population the same and double the amount of shops and the traffic doesn't change - we don't suddenly need more food. If anything the overall traffic will decrease as average travel times to a shop decrease.[/p][/quote]Not true I'm afraid as big supermarkets draw more traffic into a specific area, like Brighton Hill roundabout. Also why would people want to shop at the old Tesco store? So they then travel to the new store which is even more traffic.........comm on sense !!!!![/p][/quote]There will be an initial spike of interest but shops don't stay new for long. Corporate branding means that once inside you won't even know which side of town you are on. That's common sense. Buster Preciation
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5:19pm Fri 27 Jul 12

THX 1138 says...

Beats108 wrote:
Exactly, this would of created lots of jobs for the local area and reduced the un-employment in the town but hey nobody cares about that apart from there own self!!!
You have been taken in by supermarket propaganda. Yes, jobs would be created (mainly low paid and many part-time), but numerous indpendent studies have shown that the overall increase in jobs is negligible at best. This is because a new supermarket leads to less business for existing shops leading to job losses. People aren't going to spend anymore just because a new supermarket opens - it simply means they will spend less in other shops if they use the new supermarket.

Also, overall job creation in the supermarket sector is quite small, partly due to cost cutting and investment in self-service checkouts which require less staff.
[quote][p][bold]Beats108[/bold] wrote: Exactly, this would of created lots of jobs for the local area and reduced the un-employment in the town but hey nobody cares about that apart from there own self!!![/p][/quote]You have been taken in by supermarket propaganda. Yes, jobs would be created (mainly low paid and many part-time), but numerous indpendent studies have shown that the overall increase in jobs is negligible at best. This is because a new supermarket leads to less business for existing shops leading to job losses. People aren't going to spend anymore just because a new supermarket opens - it simply means they will spend less in other shops if they use the new supermarket. Also, overall job creation in the supermarket sector is quite small, partly due to cost cutting and investment in self-service checkouts which require less staff. THX 1138
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11:22pm Fri 27 Jul 12

stevemac1970 says...

THX 1138 wrote:
Beats108 wrote:
Exactly, this would of created lots of jobs for the local area and reduced the un-employment in the town but hey nobody cares about that apart from there own self!!!
You have been taken in by supermarket propaganda. Yes, jobs would be created (mainly low paid and many part-time), but numerous indpendent studies have shown that the overall increase in jobs is negligible at best. This is because a new supermarket leads to less business for existing shops leading to job losses. People aren't going to spend anymore just because a new supermarket opens - it simply means they will spend less in other shops if they use the new supermarket.

Also, overall job creation in the supermarket sector is quite small, partly due to cost cutting and investment in self-service checkouts which require less staff.
Other investment is in online shopping, this requires more staff than just having a shop with normal tills. The figures are clear that these companies employ more man hours in existing stores, they have just had to evolve like all businesses in todays economic world. We all have less money and so need to find the best value and that means companies changing the models they use. I remember a local store closing near where I once lived due to a large shop opening near by. The owner now earns more money working in a large store and a coop moved into his old small one man store and employs the equivalent of 8 full time staff. Let's look at real evidence and not just wild speculation. The world is changing, I'm not saying embrace all changes but if it gives jobs, we have to be honest with ourselves that we need those jobs. If you're starving, you wouldn't say no to food because it doesn't sound like something you'd like, you'd eat for the need. Jobs are a need.
[quote][p][bold]THX 1138[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beats108[/bold] wrote: Exactly, this would of created lots of jobs for the local area and reduced the un-employment in the town but hey nobody cares about that apart from there own self!!![/p][/quote]You have been taken in by supermarket propaganda. Yes, jobs would be created (mainly low paid and many part-time), but numerous indpendent studies have shown that the overall increase in jobs is negligible at best. This is because a new supermarket leads to less business for existing shops leading to job losses. People aren't going to spend anymore just because a new supermarket opens - it simply means they will spend less in other shops if they use the new supermarket. Also, overall job creation in the supermarket sector is quite small, partly due to cost cutting and investment in self-service checkouts which require less staff.[/p][/quote]Other investment is in online shopping, this requires more staff than just having a shop with normal tills. The figures are clear that these companies employ more man hours in existing stores, they have just had to evolve like all businesses in todays economic world. We all have less money and so need to find the best value and that means companies changing the models they use. I remember a local store closing near where I once lived due to a large shop opening near by. The owner now earns more money working in a large store and a coop moved into his old small one man store and employs the equivalent of 8 full time staff. Let's look at real evidence and not just wild speculation. The world is changing, I'm not saying embrace all changes but if it gives jobs, we have to be honest with ourselves that we need those jobs. If you're starving, you wouldn't say no to food because it doesn't sound like something you'd like, you'd eat for the need. Jobs are a need. stevemac1970
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12:42pm Sat 28 Jul 12

Mr_Kipling says...

Does anyone - other than Councillors & their Friends/Family - actually believe these people are open and honest, or actually take the view they are self interested, self important pocket filling parasites?

Give idiots power and this is what happens.
Does anyone - other than Councillors & their Friends/Family - actually believe these people are open and honest, or actually take the view they are self interested, self important pocket filling parasites? Give idiots power and this is what happens. Mr_Kipling
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1:40pm Sat 28 Jul 12

stevemac1970 says...

Mr_Kipling wrote:
Does anyone - other than Councillors & their Friends/Family - actually believe these people are open and honest, or actually take the view they are self interested, self important pocket filling parasites?

Give idiots power and this is what happens.
Well it does need to be said, if it's about a choise between listening to the voters and listening to the party, they do believe the party knows best, it's a sad case of inability to see that while the party selects them, the voters give them the responsibility to represent them and not the party concerned.
[quote][p][bold]Mr_Kipling[/bold] wrote: Does anyone - other than Councillors & their Friends/Family - actually believe these people are open and honest, or actually take the view they are self interested, self important pocket filling parasites? Give idiots power and this is what happens.[/p][/quote]Well it does need to be said, if it's about a choise between listening to the voters and listening to the party, they do believe the party knows best, it's a sad case of inability to see that while the party selects them, the voters give them the responsibility to represent them and not the party concerned. stevemac1970
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9:22pm Mon 30 Jul 12

GC31 says...

stevemac1970 wrote:
Mr_Kipling wrote:
Does anyone - other than Councillors & their Friends/Family - actually believe these people are open and honest, or actually take the view they are self interested, self important pocket filling parasites?

Give idiots power and this is what happens.
Well it does need to be said, if it's about a choise between listening to the voters and listening to the party, they do believe the party knows best, it's a sad case of inability to see that while the party selects them, the voters give them the responsibility to represent them and not the party concerned.
I think you have to belive they go into it with good intentions. There's also not much point in moaning about it unless you think you could do a better job and have the balls to go and do it. The politicians can tow the party line, but in the end if the party doesn't listen to the voters it won't get back in, which in my opinion is one of the biggest draw backs with the system - they can't take unpopular decisions without reducing the chances of re-election, making motoring more expensive, defecit reduction, high speed rail, carbon tax etc. That said there isn't a viable alternative, so like it or lump it.
[quote][p][bold]stevemac1970[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr_Kipling[/bold] wrote: Does anyone - other than Councillors & their Friends/Family - actually believe these people are open and honest, or actually take the view they are self interested, self important pocket filling parasites? Give idiots power and this is what happens.[/p][/quote]Well it does need to be said, if it's about a choise between listening to the voters and listening to the party, they do believe the party knows best, it's a sad case of inability to see that while the party selects them, the voters give them the responsibility to represent them and not the party concerned.[/p][/quote]I think you have to belive they go into it with good intentions. There's also not much point in moaning about it unless you think you could do a better job and have the balls to go and do it. The politicians can tow the party line, but in the end if the party doesn't listen to the voters it won't get back in, which in my opinion is one of the biggest draw backs with the system - they can't take unpopular decisions without reducing the chances of re-election, making motoring more expensive, defecit reduction, high speed rail, carbon tax etc. That said there isn't a viable alternative, so like it or lump it. GC31
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8:34am Tue 31 Jul 12

stevemac1970 says...

GC31. You make some very valid points about the system and I agree with some entirely, so much so that I stood for election safe in the knowledge I could do better for the people where I stood. I do understand that many feel there are no alternatives to the financial issues we face today, and I won't go into too much detail but to give you one example of cost cutting, £459m a day to Europe may be a better place to start. By that I don't mean let's all fight to leave Europe, but let's at least have a vote on it, something that the prime minister hasn't even had in his voting life. This country will never again be truly democratic until that happens when you realise more than 3/4 of our laws are note made hear. Those figures on laws made by the EU were told to me by Dan Hamond Tory MEP. Even those that don't give us a vote have major issues with their own party politics.
GC31. You make some very valid points about the system and I agree with some entirely, so much so that I stood for election safe in the knowledge I could do better for the people where I stood. I do understand that many feel there are no alternatives to the financial issues we face today, and I won't go into too much detail but to give you one example of cost cutting, £459m a day to Europe may be a better place to start. By that I don't mean let's all fight to leave Europe, but let's at least have a vote on it, something that the prime minister hasn't even had in his voting life. This country will never again be truly democratic until that happens when you realise more than 3/4 of our laws are note made hear. Those figures on laws made by the EU were told to me by Dan Hamond Tory MEP. Even those that don't give us a vote have major issues with their own party politics. stevemac1970
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1:32pm Wed 1 Aug 12

Littlebutton says...

Can we assume that the council will now also reject any future planning application to turn the existing Basingstoke Football club into a retail park?? The reasons they have cited for rejecting Tesco's application are no different to those that could be cited for the proposed retail park - , damage to existing businesses, increase in daily traffic, another retail park directly opposite. it will be interesting to see if the Council are consistent in their approach
Can we assume that the council will now also reject any future planning application to turn the existing Basingstoke Football club into a retail park?? The reasons they have cited for rejecting Tesco's application are no different to those that could be cited for the proposed retail park - , damage to existing businesses, increase in daily traffic, another retail park directly opposite. it will be interesting to see if the Council are consistent in their approach Littlebutton
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2:27pm Wed 1 Aug 12

stevemac1970 says...

Littlebutton wrote:
Can we assume that the council will now also reject any future planning application to turn the existing Basingstoke Football club into a retail park?? The reasons they have cited for rejecting Tesco's application are no different to those that could be cited for the proposed retail park - , damage to existing businesses, increase in daily traffic, another retail park directly opposite. it will be interesting to see if the Council are consistent in their approach
If only councils would make decision making that simple.
[quote][p][bold]Littlebutton[/bold] wrote: Can we assume that the council will now also reject any future planning application to turn the existing Basingstoke Football club into a retail park?? The reasons they have cited for rejecting Tesco's application are no different to those that could be cited for the proposed retail park - , damage to existing businesses, increase in daily traffic, another retail park directly opposite. it will be interesting to see if the Council are consistent in their approach[/p][/quote]If only councils would make decision making that simple. stevemac1970
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8:10pm Wed 1 Aug 12

Mr_Kipling says...

@Littlebutton

Funny enough I have a feeling that won't happen! Perhaps they are trying to make Tesco pick up the bill for the road improvements so they can let their buddy and fellow chamber of commerce/lodge member having to pay out when he flogs it....

I'm sure we all know who I mean, but I suspect the council think we are all stupid.......
@Littlebutton Funny enough I have a feeling that won't happen! Perhaps they are trying to make Tesco pick up the bill for the road improvements so they can let their buddy and fellow chamber of commerce/lodge member having to pay out when he flogs it.... I'm sure we all know who I mean, but I suspect the council think we are all stupid....... Mr_Kipling
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8:17pm Wed 1 Aug 12

stevemac1970 says...

Mr_Kipling wrote:
@Littlebutton

Funny enough I have a feeling that won't happen! Perhaps they are trying to make Tesco pick up the bill for the road improvements so they can let their buddy and fellow chamber of commerce/lodge member having to pay out when he flogs it....

I'm sure we all know who I mean, but I suspect the council think we are all stupid.......
To the best of my knowledge, there were no masons on the committee that turned tesco down. Any chance you can name the one you refer to?
[quote][p][bold]Mr_Kipling[/bold] wrote: @Littlebutton Funny enough I have a feeling that won't happen! Perhaps they are trying to make Tesco pick up the bill for the road improvements so they can let their buddy and fellow chamber of commerce/lodge member having to pay out when he flogs it.... I'm sure we all know who I mean, but I suspect the council think we are all stupid.......[/p][/quote]To the best of my knowledge, there were no masons on the committee that turned tesco down. Any chance you can name the one you refer to? stevemac1970
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