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'Incompetence, or were we misled?'

Former Conservative boss Stephen Reid Former Conservative boss Stephen Reid

THE man who has done the most to oppose building on the controversial Manydown land, was in charge when the borough council first made approaches to buy it.

That’s the criticism being levelled by Labour politicians at former Conservative boss Stephen Reid over the £10million Many-down land deal – the purchase of 820 hectares of farmland west of Basing-stoke, which was completed in 1996.

Labour politicians say remarks from a chartered surveyor working for The Manydown Company, who sold the land, raise a question over how Cllr Reid, as leader of the council in 1995, did not know Basingstoke and Deane Borough Council’s chief executive Katrine Sporle was in talks about buying it.

Cllr Reid left the local authority in May 1995 to contest the Eastleigh seat in the general election and last year told The Gazette he had no idea the council was planning to buy Many-down, adding he was “shocked” when the decision was made.

He returned to the council in 2008 and is now chairman of the planning and infrastructure committee. Prior to being elected, he was chairman of the Save Manydown group that successfully fought off major development plans by the Labour and Lib-eral Democrat administration.

Labour group leader Councillor Laura James said: “It is either gross incompetence that Stephen Reid did not know his own chief executive was having these discussions, or it appears people subsequently may have been misled.”

The Conservatives, including Cllr Reid, currently refuse to consider Manydown as a site for new housing in a draft planning masterplan covering the next 15 years. Instead, hundreds of new homes are being proposed around Chineham and Old Basing and Basingstoke Golf Club.

Roger Pryor, a chartered surveyor who previously acted for the Many-down Company, said Mrs Sporle first suggested buying the site at a meeting in January 1995.

He told The Gazette: “We went to the meeting to explain to the local authority that we were going to be seeking a buyer for that area of the Manydown estate. Katrine Sporle then suggested if we were going to sell it, the council would be interes-ted.

“We were surprised as it was not the purpose of the meeting to see if the council wanted to buy the land.”

Cllr Reid told The Gazette the council operated under a different decision-making structure in 1995, and he is adamant that he had no knowledge of a possible Manydown deal when he was leader.

He explained: “The situation then was that we did not have the Cabinet system.

“We had a committee system where it was perfectly reasonable for council officers to be investigating options before presenting them to committee. So I wouldn’t necessarily have had to know.

“I announced my decision to stand down from the council in February of that year so it might be that these things were not being brought to my attention because they were long-term and confidential.

“I certainly have no recollection of meetings where I would be discussing Manydown.”

Mrs Sporle, who left the borough council to become chief executive of the Planning Inspectorate, could not be contacted by The Gazette.

Comments(21)

The _right_stuff says...
3:38pm Sun 29 Jan 12

I'm sure (and I hope) it all comes out in the Judicial review(s).

Now if only The Manydown company and SOLVE / Country watch could get together, they could share resources, costs and sort this thing out once for all.

If that happens, watch the Conservatives run for cover :)

The _right_stuff says...
3:39pm Sun 29 Jan 12

I'm sure (and I hope) it all comes out in the Judicial review(s).

Now if only The Manydown company and SOLVE / Country watch could get together, they could share resources, costs and sort this thing out once for all.

If that happens, watch the Conservatives run for cover :)

InBasingstoke says...
5:14pm Sun 29 Jan 12

I blame this guy for sh*ty houses built on small feilds in the middle of the town, I blame him for making this town go down hill.

These houses should be built and there should be a minimum house and garden size, they should not be built like the new popley area and the Oakrdige village they should go back to tradinal house buidling layouts such as in South Ham or even better Lychpitt.

InBasingstoke says...
5:14pm Sun 29 Jan 12

I blame this guy for sh*ty houses built on small feilds in the middle of the town, I blame him for making this town go down hill.

These houses should be built and there should be a minimum house and garden size, they should not be built like the new popley area and the Oakrdige village they should go back to tradinal house buidling layouts such as in South Ham or even better Lychpitt.

stevemac1970 says...
8:49pm Sun 29 Jan 12

I'm confused by Cllr Reids response, he no longer denies but instead has "no recollection" ... For those in politics in the early to mid 90's they will remember that Cllr Reid was such a control freak that Basingstoke and Deane Borough Council was nick named Stephen Reids council... Even the office secretary for the conservitives, Carol, called it that.

The control freak knew nothing... And JFK was killed by Mrs White in the study with the lead piping.

The _right_stuff says...
9:29pm Sun 29 Jan 12

Manydown was sold to the council on 20th February 1996 for £10 million.

It was in the papers and £10 million is not a small sum, especially as the money came from the the LVST (approx 83 million) and Clr Reid has no recollection !?!

Does he remember objecting on the public local plan enquiry in 2005 too for Savemanydown ? (1891 : 1923)

popleyrebel2 says...
10:55pm Sun 29 Jan 12

It’s clear that Cllr Reid is suffering from that old Tory complaint {selective amnesia} this complaint has effected many in the Tory party, however, as time goes on they normally receive treatment,
{both arms forced up their backs} and a statement stating they have been miss-quoted, and hope the public understand.
Do you???????

The _right_stuff says...
11:05pm Sun 29 Jan 12

I think we all know it's smoke and mirrors and will become unravelled.

Nowdays, especially with the advent of the internet, it's so easy to find out who said what when or even who did what when.

I'm not fooled about any of this and neither I suspect is the whole of Basingstoke.

P Heath says...
11:13pm Sun 29 Jan 12

Of course he knew when we did the Council House transfer I was leading the negotiations with tenants.

Cllr Reid said " the money can be used to build houses" he added"and we will own the land to build them"

I wrote a letter to the gazette weeks ago confirming this they were unable to print it without some other confirmation now the surveyor has come forward others will

We were all misled regretably I was part of the reason he joined the Manydown group it was a tactic to get him elected to the county council along with Cllrs Donnell, Finney and Golding to the borough council.

These people have destroyed the conservative party and now the council.

principal_skinner says...
12:46pm Mon 30 Jan 12

I wonder. When Cllr Finney jumped ship a few weeks ago - did he not cite one of the reasons as the questioning of the integrity of councillors?

Now, if Cllr Finney did a Captain Costa Concordia and legged it before he drowned in the sleeze, is Cllr Reid going to wait and go down with his ship?

popleyrebel2 says...
12:53pm Mon 30 Jan 12

Rats always leave a sinking ship, just how many rats, only time will tell.

Hiliter says...
5:21pm Mon 30 Jan 12

So Stephen Reid expects us to believe that back in January 1995 as Leader of the Council then he knew nothing of negotiations being conducted by his Chief Executive.As has been said this is the man who controlled everything that moved in the Council and his C/X would not have started negotiations with the Manydown Company without the Leader endorsing this.The pathetic responses so far from Cllr Reid do him no credit and must be offensive to the then C/X implying as they do that she went out on this venture without clearance from senior elected politicians and Cllr Reid in particular.Those who knew Ms Sporle know this was not her style and she was too professional to compromise the Council in this way.Shortly after the discussions were held with the Manydown Company plans were laid to spend £10m of public money with £5m of this being loaned to the County Council as the third party in the agreement and again Cllr Reid claims to know nothing of these developments over the period from Jan to May 1995 - a near 5 month period.All the legal agreements were put in place over this period without Cllr Reid knowing anything of developments ! - he claims.The analogy with Andy Coulson comes to mind where it has been said that either he knew what was going on at the News of the World and hid this or was so incompetent that he shouldn't have been in the Editor post in the first place.The News of the World has been shut down as beyond redemption for its past behaviour -lets hope the same fate awaits Cllr Reid.

popleyrebel2 says...
7:32pm Mon 30 Jan 12

I indorse the last post by principal_lskinner, Cllr Heath was a rough diamond what you see is what you got, I think I’m right in saying, he nursed new Tory Cllr until they found their feet, unfortunately however, many stabbed him in the back.
Give me a rough diamond any day, and those who are as phony as costume jewellery will be found out, as recent events have proven.

principal_skinner says...
8:16pm Mon 30 Jan 12

Funny how that post disappeared. I did stress it was my *opinion*. I wonder who is so scared of a mere opinion they seek to silence it? Talk about fanning the flames.

Phil Heath was, indeed, a truth telling rough diamond. In reality he was the real jewel in our council crown that is otherwise filled with rhinestones - gems that are cheap and easily bought by anyone.

principal_skinner says...
8:24pm Mon 30 Jan 12

I do appreciate that our local paper has to censor posts that may be offensive or libellous.

However, I am of the opinion that 'sleaze' was a balanced word to use in relation to this seedy matter.

I imagine that Cllr Reid will continue to `do the hucklebuck` over this. That is, wriggle like a snake, waddle like a duck - any you know what; if it quacks like a duck, and it waddles like a duck, then it's a duck.

I am not an employee of the Gazette or Newsquest Media, and these are my own personal opinions for which I accept full responsibility.

The _right_stuff says...
11:13pm Tue 31 Jan 12

P Heath. Have you thought of going independant.

You still have loads of support across the town.

Personally, there is still very much room for a rough diamond.

popleyrebel2 says...
9:50am Wed 1 Feb 12

There are some very good independent Cllrs.
We need to break the power base that turns to contempt and political egos at the expense of Joe public, more independent Cllr would go a long way to stopping that.

principal_skinner says...
11:40am Wed 1 Feb 12

Agree we need more independents. Our Rhinestone council is almost capable of commanding ticket sales as a comedy act and we need to end the cartels, and the unseen influences that control the power with 40 pieces of silver.

Hiliter says...
6:50pm Thu 2 Feb 12

So Cllr Stephen Reid has resigned from the Planning and Infrastructure committee of the Borough Council because of a "conflict of interests".The only interests he cares about are self interests.Having been bought off with his £17000 a year cabinet post at County he can afford to cut and run from Basingstoke leaving his Tory colleagues to pick up the pieces.Even they must now see the naked ambition of this man as an embarrassment to the Party.
With his manufactured role at the county to look at how the County Council can cut services and jobs and strategically save money it would have been difficult for him to justify why the County wasn't able to maximise its investment in Manydown.Now he's taken himself out of the P and I Committee at the Borough the complete change of position on Manydown can start to take shape.Cllr Reid for his part can run off to Winchester to further his political ambitions and his desire to become Leader of the County Council.Next steps no doubt will be the abandonment of the people of Buckskin when he resigns his seat there and eventually people will see him for the opportunist he has always been throughout his political career.

The _right_stuff says...
7:31pm Thu 2 Feb 12

Thats interesting !
'a conflict of interests'.

Shouldn't he have resigned BEFORE chairing the P & I Oscom if he had a conflict of interests ? He never declared them !?!

popleyrebel2 says...
7:42pm Thu 2 Feb 12

Cllr Stephen Reid has resigned from the Planning and Infrastructure committee claiming a "conflict of interests".
Well he certainly has created a “Conflict” with his lack of” Interest” in Manydown

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