Rooksdown residents angry as roads turn into rat-runs

Rooksdown residents angry as roads turn into rat-runs

Rooksdown residents angry as roads turn into rat-runs

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RESIDENTS who have waited seven years for measures to be implemented to prevent through-traffic driving past their houses, have voiced their anger at a parish council meeting.

Emotions were running high at Rooksdown Parish Council’s annual general meeting, where a group of householders blasted developers Taylor Wimpey for dragging its heels, and criticised Basingstoke and Deane Borough Council for failing to take enforcement action.

As part of its agreed plans to build the estate, Taylor Wimpey was meant to install bus gates which would prevent the area being used as a rat-run. But seven years later, householders are still waiting for something to be done.

A traffic survey conducted in February 2013 showed that the entrances and exits to Rooksdown were already at “saturation point”, with much of the traffic cutting through to reach Basingstoke hospital.

The issue was reported in The Gazette a year ago, and Taylor Wimpey said at the time that it would work with highways consultants at Hampshire County Council to investigate a “traffic management solution” which it would fund.

But parish council chairman Colin Statham said the matter had now been further delayed because of an unexpected tree survey, following a meeting in which he was told the plans were ready to be submitted. He added: “It’s absolutely ridiculous.”

Rooksdown borough councillor Karen Cherrett said: “I suspect it was pulled because further information came to light which called for a tree survey.”

Wayne Aylott, 45, an accountant from Park Prewett Road, bought his house seven years ago in the belief that through-traffic would be prevented from driving past.

The father-of-one said: “It should have been put in before any residents came. The developer chose not to put it in, and Basingstoke and Deane Borough Council chose not to enforce it.”

He added: “How can it be that seven years later we are still talking about an application coming from Taylor Wimpey?

“How can we still be in this state?”

Cllr Cherrett said she was unable to say when the plans would be implemented, adding: “You can sit here and make as many demands as you want, but I can’t say if it will be complete this year, or next, or by 2020.”

Mike Townsend, planning and development manager at the borough council, said: “The planning condition was not complied with for a variety of reasons relating to the practical implementation of a suitable bus gate scheme.”

He added that the council had worked with various parties to “bring forward a suitable alternative proposal to effectively manage traffic across the development.”

Ed O’Mara, a spokesman for Taylor Wimpey, said a planning application has now been submitted.

He added: “A great deal of work has taken place with parish, district and county councils and other partner agencies over recent months in the preparation of the application, and we are confident that the proposals will deliver the right traffic-management solution for the community.”

If permission is granted, work will begin later this year.

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12:20pm Mon 2 Jun 14

jonone says...

Worth noting that the new plan will not stop traffic driving through, just make it a little more tricky via traffic calming and junction re-work.

Taylor Wimpey seem pretty good at avoiding elements of their planning application - the Everest Park development was designed to allow the local bus service to run through - Stagecoach even issued new route maps showing it. Then, suddenly, the whole idea disappeared and Stagecoach deny all knowledge! Mind you, that wasn't the only element of their planning application they failed to deliver on!
Worth noting that the new plan will not stop traffic driving through, just make it a little more tricky via traffic calming and junction re-work. Taylor Wimpey seem pretty good at avoiding elements of their planning application - the Everest Park development was designed to allow the local bus service to run through - Stagecoach even issued new route maps showing it. Then, suddenly, the whole idea disappeared and Stagecoach deny all knowledge! Mind you, that wasn't the only element of their planning application they failed to deliver on! jonone
  • Score: -1

12:50pm Mon 2 Jun 14

klorane says...

I'm amazed that anyone would be determined enough to cut through, with the state of the road towards the hospital. For those of us who live here and would like to be able to drive through the estate it's very awkward as the road hasn't been surfaced properly.
I'm amazed that anyone would be determined enough to cut through, with the state of the road towards the hospital. For those of us who live here and would like to be able to drive through the estate it's very awkward as the road hasn't been surfaced properly. klorane
  • Score: -1

1:15pm Mon 2 Jun 14

JJ38JJ says...

klorane wrote:
I'm amazed that anyone would be determined enough to cut through, with the state of the road towards the hospital. For those of us who live here and would like to be able to drive through the estate it's very awkward as the road hasn't been surfaced properly.
So it's OK for you to drive through the estate but not those that don't live there? They pay the same council and road taxes don't they?
[quote][p][bold]klorane[/bold] wrote: I'm amazed that anyone would be determined enough to cut through, with the state of the road towards the hospital. For those of us who live here and would like to be able to drive through the estate it's very awkward as the road hasn't been surfaced properly.[/p][/quote]So it's OK for you to drive through the estate but not those that don't live there? They pay the same council and road taxes don't they? JJ38JJ
  • Score: 7

1:17pm Mon 2 Jun 14

4rchibald says...

klorane wrote:
I'm amazed that anyone would be determined enough to cut through, with the state of the road towards the hospital. For those of us who live here and would like to be able to drive through the estate it's very awkward as the road hasn't been surfaced properly.
I wouldn't be surprised if most of those are the residents cutting their way, as there are only 2 access roads to this maze of tiny streets.
[quote][p][bold]klorane[/bold] wrote: I'm amazed that anyone would be determined enough to cut through, with the state of the road towards the hospital. For those of us who live here and would like to be able to drive through the estate it's very awkward as the road hasn't been surfaced properly.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't be surprised if most of those are the residents cutting their way, as there are only 2 access roads to this maze of tiny streets. 4rchibald
  • Score: 6

2:49pm Mon 2 Jun 14

BasingstokeCouncilSuck says...

Great, never thought of that short cut, cheers ;-)
Great, never thought of that short cut, cheers ;-) BasingstokeCouncilSuck
  • Score: 11

12:32pm Tue 3 Jun 14

jonone says...

JJ38JJ wrote:
klorane wrote: I'm amazed that anyone would be determined enough to cut through, with the state of the road towards the hospital. For those of us who live here and would like to be able to drive through the estate it's very awkward as the road hasn't been surfaced properly.
So it's OK for you to drive through the estate but not those that don't live there? They pay the same council and road taxes don't they?
People who live there need to drive through the estate to get out of it! And in actual fact will form most of the traffic - there is no logical reason for any other drivers to regularly use it as a short cut.
[quote][p][bold]JJ38JJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]klorane[/bold] wrote: I'm amazed that anyone would be determined enough to cut through, with the state of the road towards the hospital. For those of us who live here and would like to be able to drive through the estate it's very awkward as the road hasn't been surfaced properly.[/p][/quote]So it's OK for you to drive through the estate but not those that don't live there? They pay the same council and road taxes don't they?[/p][/quote]People who live there need to drive through the estate to get out of it! And in actual fact will form most of the traffic - there is no logical reason for any other drivers to regularly use it as a short cut. jonone
  • Score: -6

2:48pm Tue 3 Jun 14

JJ38JJ says...

jonone wrote:
JJ38JJ wrote:
klorane wrote: I'm amazed that anyone would be determined enough to cut through, with the state of the road towards the hospital. For those of us who live here and would like to be able to drive through the estate it's very awkward as the road hasn't been surfaced properly.
So it's OK for you to drive through the estate but not those that don't live there? They pay the same council and road taxes don't they?
People who live there need to drive through the estate to get out of it! And in actual fact will form most of the traffic - there is no logical reason for any other drivers to regularly use it as a short cut.
There is a totally logical reason for non-residents to use it as a short cut - it's a short cut!
The original quote suggested that residents "would like to be able to drive through the estate". If the whole estate was 'no through road' i.e. blocked at some point then the drivers most inconvenienced would be the residents as they would be forced to use just the one point of access. On the other hand if it remains as a through road why should only residents be permitted to use it as one?
[quote][p][bold]jonone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JJ38JJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]klorane[/bold] wrote: I'm amazed that anyone would be determined enough to cut through, with the state of the road towards the hospital. For those of us who live here and would like to be able to drive through the estate it's very awkward as the road hasn't been surfaced properly.[/p][/quote]So it's OK for you to drive through the estate but not those that don't live there? They pay the same council and road taxes don't they?[/p][/quote]People who live there need to drive through the estate to get out of it! And in actual fact will form most of the traffic - there is no logical reason for any other drivers to regularly use it as a short cut.[/p][/quote]There is a totally logical reason for non-residents to use it as a short cut - it's a short cut! The original quote suggested that residents "would like to be able to drive through the estate". If the whole estate was 'no through road' i.e. blocked at some point then the drivers most inconvenienced would be the residents as they would be forced to use just the one point of access. On the other hand if it remains as a through road why should only residents be permitted to use it as one? JJ38JJ
  • Score: 8

9:59am Wed 4 Jun 14

jonone says...

JJ38JJ wrote:
jonone wrote:
JJ38JJ wrote:
klorane wrote: I'm amazed that anyone would be determined enough to cut through, with the state of the road towards the hospital. For those of us who live here and would like to be able to drive through the estate it's very awkward as the road hasn't been surfaced properly.
So it's OK for you to drive through the estate but not those that don't live there? They pay the same council and road taxes don't they?
People who live there need to drive through the estate to get out of it! And in actual fact will form most of the traffic - there is no logical reason for any other drivers to regularly use it as a short cut.
There is a totally logical reason for non-residents to use it as a short cut - it's a short cut! The original quote suggested that residents "would like to be able to drive through the estate". If the whole estate was 'no through road' i.e. blocked at some point then the drivers most inconvenienced would be the residents as they would be forced to use just the one point of access. On the other hand if it remains as a through road why should only residents be permitted to use it as one?
But, it really isn't a short cut! Direct route from the top of Roman Road is along the A339 and up the A340 - the only route this "short cut" would negate. Driving through Rooksdown you have to negotiate speed tables, parked vehicles, narrow roads, appalling road surfaces and a 30 mph speed limit. OK, most Basingstoke drivers have little or no respect for speed limits, but there it is.

The fact of the matter is that the main access point should have been at the southern end at the junction with Roman Road & the A339 - as Taylor Wimpey were shouting this via their marketing teams (I know, they said it to me when we looked at houses there), then people have the right to receive what they have been sold/promised. Sadly Taylor Wimpey are allowed to renege on their planning liabilities by a weak B&DBC.

Based on your logic, there are a whole mass of residential roads around Basingstoke that we should be re-opening as through roads for the benefit of car drivers.
[quote][p][bold]JJ38JJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jonone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JJ38JJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]klorane[/bold] wrote: I'm amazed that anyone would be determined enough to cut through, with the state of the road towards the hospital. For those of us who live here and would like to be able to drive through the estate it's very awkward as the road hasn't been surfaced properly.[/p][/quote]So it's OK for you to drive through the estate but not those that don't live there? They pay the same council and road taxes don't they?[/p][/quote]People who live there need to drive through the estate to get out of it! And in actual fact will form most of the traffic - there is no logical reason for any other drivers to regularly use it as a short cut.[/p][/quote]There is a totally logical reason for non-residents to use it as a short cut - it's a short cut! The original quote suggested that residents "would like to be able to drive through the estate". If the whole estate was 'no through road' i.e. blocked at some point then the drivers most inconvenienced would be the residents as they would be forced to use just the one point of access. On the other hand if it remains as a through road why should only residents be permitted to use it as one?[/p][/quote]But, it really isn't a short cut! Direct route from the top of Roman Road is along the A339 and up the A340 - the only route this "short cut" would negate. Driving through Rooksdown you have to negotiate speed tables, parked vehicles, narrow roads, appalling road surfaces and a 30 mph speed limit. OK, most Basingstoke drivers have little or no respect for speed limits, but there it is. The fact of the matter is that the main access point should have been at the southern end at the junction with Roman Road & the A339 - as Taylor Wimpey were shouting this via their marketing teams (I know, they said it to me when we looked at houses there), then people have the right to receive what they have been sold/promised. Sadly Taylor Wimpey are allowed to renege on their planning liabilities by a weak B&DBC. Based on your logic, there are a whole mass of residential roads around Basingstoke that we should be re-opening as through roads for the benefit of car drivers. jonone
  • Score: -4

5:05pm Wed 4 Jun 14

klorane says...

Thank you Jonone, whoever you are. I find it very inconsiderate for drivers to use a residential road as a cut-through when they don't need to. As I say, I can't see the sense in it, as you can make better progress on a main road once you are on it! Why take a detour that slows you down?
Thank you Jonone, whoever you are. I find it very inconsiderate for drivers to use a residential road as a cut-through when they don't need to. As I say, I can't see the sense in it, as you can make better progress on a main road once you are on it! Why take a detour that slows you down? klorane
  • Score: -6

10:19am Thu 5 Jun 14

JJ38JJ says...

klorane wrote:
Thank you Jonone, whoever you are. I find it very inconsiderate for drivers to use a residential road as a cut-through when they don't need to. As I say, I can't see the sense in it, as you can make better progress on a main road once you are on it! Why take a detour that slows you down?
Why is it inconsiderate?
But you make a very good point - if it wasn't worth taking the 'short-cut' then drivers wouldn't. We can only conclude therefore that the traffic is purely residential and traffic calming or prevention measures would make no difference.
[quote][p][bold]klorane[/bold] wrote: Thank you Jonone, whoever you are. I find it very inconsiderate for drivers to use a residential road as a cut-through when they don't need to. As I say, I can't see the sense in it, as you can make better progress on a main road once you are on it! Why take a detour that slows you down?[/p][/quote]Why is it inconsiderate? But you make a very good point - if it wasn't worth taking the 'short-cut' then drivers wouldn't. We can only conclude therefore that the traffic is purely residential and traffic calming or prevention measures would make no difference. JJ38JJ
  • Score: 5

3:55pm Thu 5 Jun 14

laurence86 says...

I suspect that this is far more to do with lots of houses being crammed in and poor road design rather than people using the road as a short cut.

You might get the occasional person who has popped their sat-nav on shortest route rather than fastest route or if there has been an accident and the A339 and A340 junction is blocked using it as a cut through. But on a general basis though it has got to be the slower option to whizzing round the main roads.
I suspect that this is far more to do with lots of houses being crammed in and poor road design rather than people using the road as a short cut. You might get the occasional person who has popped their sat-nav on shortest route rather than fastest route or if there has been an accident and the A339 and A340 junction is blocked using it as a cut through. But on a general basis though it has got to be the slower option to whizzing round the main roads. laurence86
  • Score: 5

7:57am Wed 11 Jun 14

spongebob1913 says...

People need to get a grip. Moaning about trivial things like this is a joke. I use the shortcut every single week day twice a day and never is there any queues of traffic. Its a non issue people are getting on their high horse over for the sake of moaning. Has anyone thought what if an ambulance used it to get a patient to hospital two minutes quicker? Or if a doctor used it to get to work and cut 5 minutes off his journey thus saving a patients life. People need to not be so narrow minded and selfish.
People need to get a grip. Moaning about trivial things like this is a joke. I use the shortcut every single week day twice a day and never is there any queues of traffic. Its a non issue people are getting on their high horse over for the sake of moaning. Has anyone thought what if an ambulance used it to get a patient to hospital two minutes quicker? Or if a doctor used it to get to work and cut 5 minutes off his journey thus saving a patients life. People need to not be so narrow minded and selfish. spongebob1913
  • Score: 0

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