Plans for John Lewis at Home and Waitrose store at Basing View approved by the borough council

A computer-generated image of the proposed new superstore

A computer-generated image of the proposed new superstore

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PLANS to build a John Lewis at Home and Waitrose in Basing View have been given the green light by the borough council.

Councillors on Basingstoke and Deane Borough Council’s development control committee all voted in favour of the development at a meeting last night. The plans were recommended for approval by borough planning officers.

A planning application for the store was submitted to Basingstoke and Deane Borough Council by Muse Developments, the company spearheading the regeneration of Basing View, in October 2013.

The proposed 78,000sq ft John Lewis at Home and Waitrose store will be built on council-owned land as part of £200million plans to regenerate Basing View.

As previously reported in The Gazette, a customer café, 416-space car-park, staff offices and service yard are all included in the plans along with the addition of a taxi rank at the front of the new store and a bus stop to the north of the store’s proposed car park.

Tadley South Councillor David Leeks expressed concern about disabled parking at the meeting last night. The development will provide 21 disabled car parking spaces in the 416-space car park.

Cllr Leeks told the meeting: “I would like to propose the recommendation for approval but I am concerned about the disabled parking. It (the application) says we have to have 21 spaces but it doesn’t say we have to police them to make sure disabled people use them.”

Chairman of the development control committee, Cllr Horace Mitchell said: “I am confident that Waitrose and John Lewis will be doing everything they can to support the point (on disabled parking).”

Jonathan Banham, Waitrose’s south-west development officer addressed the concerns, and said: “We will be managing the car park with an on-site attendant to ensure people who aren’t disabled don’t use the spaces.”

He added: “John Lewis and Waitrose have had long-term ambitions to develop in Basingstoke. This scheme represents a multi-million pound investment in Basingstoke.

“We are committed to pushing the development as soon as possible and we hope to open the site next year.”

The superstore will be only the second of its kind in the country and is set to create 300 new jobs.

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4:00pm Thu 13 Mar 14

elucidation says...

Who in their right minds decided that this was a good location. This is just going to cause more traffic around an area that is already seeing heavy use. Basing View is a business district not a retail area. The planners need to go back to school and learn how to distinguish between the two and that the two should not be mixed. There are better areas in Basingstoke that could benefit from regeneration, not that Basing View doesn't, and that would not compound the traffic situation. Right on the roundabout to the town centre, the train station, a major artery to the Ring Road and eventually the M3! I understand that it has to be accessible but not there, anywhere but there. Why couldn't they have put it on the derelict piece of land that was vacated by British Gas off The Harrow Way? Oh, hang on, Tesco had that brilliant idea but it was rejected due to local stupidity, short sightedness and idiotic town planners who cited all the reasons that this equally idiotic plan should have been rejected for. And yes, you guessed it, I work in Basing View.
Who in their right minds decided that this was a good location. This is just going to cause more traffic around an area that is already seeing heavy use. Basing View is a business district not a retail area. The planners need to go back to school and learn how to distinguish between the two and that the two should not be mixed. There are better areas in Basingstoke that could benefit from regeneration, not that Basing View doesn't, and that would not compound the traffic situation. Right on the roundabout to the town centre, the train station, a major artery to the Ring Road and eventually the M3! I understand that it has to be accessible but not there, anywhere but there. Why couldn't they have put it on the derelict piece of land that was vacated by British Gas off The Harrow Way? Oh, hang on, Tesco had that brilliant idea but it was rejected due to local stupidity, short sightedness and idiotic town planners who cited all the reasons that this equally idiotic plan should have been rejected for. And yes, you guessed it, I work in Basing View. elucidation
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8:19pm Thu 13 Mar 14

jonone says...

And the first comment is a moan.......
And the first comment is a moan....... jonone
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8:46pm Thu 13 Mar 14

elucidation says...

jonone wrote:
And the first comment is a moan.......
It is an observation from someone who has to work in the vicinity. Not sure what value your comment adds to any debate.
[quote][p][bold]jonone[/bold] wrote: And the first comment is a moan.......[/p][/quote]It is an observation from someone who has to work in the vicinity. Not sure what value your comment adds to any debate. elucidation
  • Score: 12

8:33am Fri 14 Mar 14

jonone says...

elucidation wrote:
jonone wrote: And the first comment is a moan.......
It is an observation from someone who has to work in the vicinity. Not sure what value your comment adds to any debate.
About as much as yours I guess.... Or are you only allowed an opinion if it is negative?
[quote][p][bold]elucidation[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jonone[/bold] wrote: And the first comment is a moan.......[/p][/quote]It is an observation from someone who has to work in the vicinity. Not sure what value your comment adds to any debate.[/p][/quote]About as much as yours I guess.... Or are you only allowed an opinion if it is negative? jonone
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9:43am Fri 14 Mar 14

elucidation says...

jonone wrote:
elucidation wrote:
jonone wrote: And the first comment is a moan.......
It is an observation from someone who has to work in the vicinity. Not sure what value your comment adds to any debate.
About as much as yours I guess.... Or are you only allowed an opinion if it is negative?
Finally you have offered an opinion its just not about the topic at hand. You can have any opinion you like, just make one. At no point have you even indicated whether or not you view this as good or bad, you just heckle someone who actually has an opinion. Your tone is negative, flippant, undemocratic, unconstructive... and not really worth much more dialogue. Enjoy shopping at John Lewis and Waitrose and spare a thought for the apparent lack of disabled parking.
[quote][p][bold]jonone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elucidation[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jonone[/bold] wrote: And the first comment is a moan.......[/p][/quote]It is an observation from someone who has to work in the vicinity. Not sure what value your comment adds to any debate.[/p][/quote]About as much as yours I guess.... Or are you only allowed an opinion if it is negative?[/p][/quote]Finally you have offered an opinion its just not about the topic at hand. You can have any opinion you like, just make one. At no point have you even indicated whether or not you view this as good or bad, you just heckle someone who actually has an opinion. Your tone is negative, flippant, undemocratic, unconstructive... and not really worth much more dialogue. Enjoy shopping at John Lewis and Waitrose and spare a thought for the apparent lack of disabled parking. elucidation
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1:48pm Fri 14 Mar 14

jonone says...

elucidation wrote:
jonone wrote:
elucidation wrote:
jonone wrote: And the first comment is a moan.......
It is an observation from someone who has to work in the vicinity. Not sure what value your comment adds to any debate.
About as much as yours I guess.... Or are you only allowed an opinion if it is negative?
Finally you have offered an opinion its just not about the topic at hand. You can have any opinion you like, just make one. At no point have you even indicated whether or not you view this as good or bad, you just heckle someone who actually has an opinion. Your tone is negative, flippant, undemocratic, unconstructive... and not really worth much more dialogue. Enjoy shopping at John Lewis and Waitrose and spare a thought for the apparent lack of disabled parking.
LOL, I am negative - from the writer of the OP. Laugh a minute!

Anyway, overlooking that, I welcome the development and the jobs it creates and its location - further out would take more shoppers from the centre of town, this works better. I have already expressed my support for the development on other articles.

As for the disabled parking, firstly Tadley South Councillor David Leeks should perhaps learn to count, the development has 24 disabled spaces, which actually translates to 5.8% of the whole. Looking at the town centre currently as a whole and comapring a straight like for like, only 4.9% of spaces are disabled, so this development offers a higher ratio than that which exists. Festival Place, for example, has 4.6% of its 2573 spaces as disabled - drive around on a busy Saturday and see how many are empty. So, that argument is actually rubbish. There will be minimum requirements that will have to have been met for the development to be approved anyway.

As for traffic, well yes, this will have an impact, but I cannot imagine it will be an Armageddon of chaos, shops have a steady, regular flow most of the time, plus traffic can leave in 3 directions, down to Eastrop roundabout, up to Oakridge and off along Gresley Road. If I drive direct to the new location, I will use the latter two routes or walk from home or from the town centre. Plus, personally, I would avoid certain locations during peak time - others would be more likely, so users at that time would be peak time drivers popping in on the way home.
[quote][p][bold]elucidation[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jonone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elucidation[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jonone[/bold] wrote: And the first comment is a moan.......[/p][/quote]It is an observation from someone who has to work in the vicinity. Not sure what value your comment adds to any debate.[/p][/quote]About as much as yours I guess.... Or are you only allowed an opinion if it is negative?[/p][/quote]Finally you have offered an opinion its just not about the topic at hand. You can have any opinion you like, just make one. At no point have you even indicated whether or not you view this as good or bad, you just heckle someone who actually has an opinion. Your tone is negative, flippant, undemocratic, unconstructive... and not really worth much more dialogue. Enjoy shopping at John Lewis and Waitrose and spare a thought for the apparent lack of disabled parking.[/p][/quote]LOL, I am negative - from the writer of the OP. Laugh a minute! Anyway, overlooking that, I welcome the development and the jobs it creates and its location - further out would take more shoppers from the centre of town, this works better. I have already expressed my support for the development on other articles. As for the disabled parking, firstly Tadley South Councillor David Leeks should perhaps learn to count, the development has 24 disabled spaces, which actually translates to 5.8% of the whole. Looking at the town centre currently as a whole and comapring a straight like for like, only 4.9% of spaces are disabled, so this development offers a higher ratio than that which exists. Festival Place, for example, has 4.6% of its 2573 spaces as disabled - drive around on a busy Saturday and see how many are empty. So, that argument is actually rubbish. There will be minimum requirements that will have to have been met for the development to be approved anyway. As for traffic, well yes, this will have an impact, but I cannot imagine it will be an Armageddon of chaos, shops have a steady, regular flow most of the time, plus traffic can leave in 3 directions, down to Eastrop roundabout, up to Oakridge and off along Gresley Road. If I drive direct to the new location, I will use the latter two routes or walk from home or from the town centre. Plus, personally, I would avoid certain locations during peak time - others would be more likely, so users at that time would be peak time drivers popping in on the way home. jonone
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12:39pm Mon 17 Mar 14

lizmat64 says...

I too believe this to be the most stupid decision. The site is in the wrong place, it wont bring any business into the town itself - where are you going to park for a start ? will it be John lewis/waitrose and walk to the shopping centre then haul all your shopping back to John lewis/waitrose or park in the multistorey and lug your shopping from john lewis/waitrose?? also why go into the town centre if everything you need will be in waitrose or john lewis .... another nail in the coffin of Basingstoke shopping centre also trying to get into the car park is a nightmare already this will only add to the congested road, we should be promoting more business into the shops of the town ... but hey will BDBC drop the rent and rates for these unit ... i think not !!!!!!
I too believe this to be the most stupid decision. The site is in the wrong place, it wont bring any business into the town itself - where are you going to park for a start ? will it be John lewis/waitrose and walk to the shopping centre then haul all your shopping back to John lewis/waitrose or park in the multistorey and lug your shopping from john lewis/waitrose?? also why go into the town centre if everything you need will be in waitrose or john lewis .... another nail in the coffin of Basingstoke shopping centre also trying to get into the car park is a nightmare already this will only add to the congested road, we should be promoting more business into the shops of the town ... but hey will BDBC drop the rent and rates for these unit ... i think not !!!!!! lizmat64
  • Score: -5

3:04pm Mon 17 Mar 14

jonone says...

lizmat64 wrote:
I too believe this to be the most stupid decision. The site is in the wrong place, it wont bring any business into the town itself - where are you going to park for a start ? will it be John lewis/waitrose and walk to the shopping centre then haul all your shopping back to John lewis/waitrose or park in the multistorey and lug your shopping from john lewis/waitrose?? also why go into the town centre if everything you need will be in waitrose or john lewis .... another nail in the coffin of Basingstoke shopping centre also trying to get into the car park is a nightmare already this will only add to the congested road, we should be promoting more business into the shops of the town ... but hey will BDBC drop the rent and rates for these unit ... i think not !!!!!!
In most cases, I'd be visiting one or the other, either JL/W or Festival Place. There might be occasions when I visit the latter and decide to visit the former but that will either be on foot, or by car on the way home. Not an earth-shattering choice.

As for "other shops" - perhaps you should avail yourself of the plans for Top of Town - though no doubt most people will end up moaning about that too!!
[quote][p][bold]lizmat64[/bold] wrote: I too believe this to be the most stupid decision. The site is in the wrong place, it wont bring any business into the town itself - where are you going to park for a start ? will it be John lewis/waitrose and walk to the shopping centre then haul all your shopping back to John lewis/waitrose or park in the multistorey and lug your shopping from john lewis/waitrose?? also why go into the town centre if everything you need will be in waitrose or john lewis .... another nail in the coffin of Basingstoke shopping centre also trying to get into the car park is a nightmare already this will only add to the congested road, we should be promoting more business into the shops of the town ... but hey will BDBC drop the rent and rates for these unit ... i think not !!!!!![/p][/quote]In most cases, I'd be visiting one or the other, either JL/W or Festival Place. There might be occasions when I visit the latter and decide to visit the former but that will either be on foot, or by car on the way home. Not an earth-shattering choice. As for "other shops" - perhaps you should avail yourself of the plans for Top of Town - though no doubt most people will end up moaning about that too!! jonone
  • Score: 8

12:58pm Tue 18 Mar 14

Jonty11 says...

lizmat64 wrote:
I too believe this to be the most stupid decision. The site is in the wrong place, it wont bring any business into the town itself - where are you going to park for a start ? will it be John lewis/waitrose and walk to the shopping centre then haul all your shopping back to John lewis/waitrose or park in the multistorey and lug your shopping from john lewis/waitrose?? also why go into the town centre if everything you need will be in waitrose or john lewis .... another nail in the coffin of Basingstoke shopping centre also trying to get into the car park is a nightmare already this will only add to the congested road, we should be promoting more business into the shops of the town ... but hey will BDBC drop the rent and rates for these unit ... i think not !!!!!!
On the business rates issue - can I ask, would you be willing to pay more Council Tax to allow for business rates to be reduced in the town centre?

The Council uses a certain amount of money to run its services - if it doesn't get it from business rates, then it will need to get it from somewhere else!

And if you are referring to rents, rather than rates - to the best of my knowledge, they broadly control the Malls (which they are trying to rent out the spare spaces in and last time I was there, there weren't many vacancies) and a couple in the top of town - for the rest of it, it's down to private shop owners and Festival Place!
[quote][p][bold]lizmat64[/bold] wrote: I too believe this to be the most stupid decision. The site is in the wrong place, it wont bring any business into the town itself - where are you going to park for a start ? will it be John lewis/waitrose and walk to the shopping centre then haul all your shopping back to John lewis/waitrose or park in the multistorey and lug your shopping from john lewis/waitrose?? also why go into the town centre if everything you need will be in waitrose or john lewis .... another nail in the coffin of Basingstoke shopping centre also trying to get into the car park is a nightmare already this will only add to the congested road, we should be promoting more business into the shops of the town ... but hey will BDBC drop the rent and rates for these unit ... i think not !!!!!![/p][/quote]On the business rates issue - can I ask, would you be willing to pay more Council Tax to allow for business rates to be reduced in the town centre? The Council uses a certain amount of money to run its services - if it doesn't get it from business rates, then it will need to get it from somewhere else! And if you are referring to rents, rather than rates - to the best of my knowledge, they broadly control the Malls (which they are trying to rent out the spare spaces in and last time I was there, there weren't many vacancies) and a couple in the top of town - for the rest of it, it's down to private shop owners and Festival Place! Jonty11
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